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Old 10-09-2009, 09:27 PM   #1
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Itv news 10.25pm this evening has just claimed that Gary McKinnon has lost his appeal!
OMG! never thought it would come to this.
Sorry no links i can not find anything on line as yet.
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Old 10-09-2009, 09:49 PM   #2
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Thanks Jacqui D

I am truly sorry to hear this news
If anyone finds more on this please post here.
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Old 10-09-2009, 10:31 PM   #3
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Thanks Jacqui D

I am truly sorry to hear this news
If anyone finds more on this please post here.
here it is ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7533916.stm
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...adition-appeal
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Old 10-09-2009, 10:31 PM   #4
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Hi giovonni, i feel quite stunned really don't know what to say about this, i really thought he would be okay it's not signed and sealed yet, but his mother was talking on the news saying how the english system of law has let him down and i agree, any other country would be up there fighting for there own but as usual this country lets our own fight for themselves this has made me angry!!
My thoughts and love go out to Gary tonight i just hope things change for his own sanity and safety he will not survive if he has to go to america, i think the sooner we get this disclosure about ET's from Obama the better, if it ever happens.




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Old 10-09-2009, 10:49 PM   #5
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Let me see if I have this right.

An innocent, harmless, and brave young man tries to expose the real criminals on the planet, or some of them, in fact he was just trying to leek information that we should all have in the first place... gets caught and extradited by uk criminal courts run by uk criminal lawyers (liars) and uk criminal judges.. only to be tried in us criminal courts run by us criminal liars and us criminal judges. Did I miss anything?

Ohh I can't wait until this shytstem crashes and we get back to some form of normality.
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Old 10-09-2009, 11:03 PM   #6
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I got broken into once and lost a computer, stereo and a car i was working on. Didnt mind though, they were only looking around my house maybe even after information.
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Old 10-09-2009, 11:22 PM   #7
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Ok, I have to ask this, how many people on here had possesions stolen, or had your homes broken into and lost valuable items you treasured?

Go on be honest, would it have made you feel better knowing the person who did it was only looking for something.

Right lets take it another step.

You are safe in bed, someone breaks into your house, kids and wife/husband are in bed , safe you thought. This person wanders around your house in the dead of night without your permission but leaves with only info, paper or other. How would you feel, violated, dirty, vulnerable??

Makes no odds whether its your house or your website, you would not be pleased.

I know i am going to be ripped apart for this but its a true statement and just because it was a government computer, makes no difference.
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Old 10-09-2009, 11:35 PM   #8
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I understand your point and it would be valid if our government wasn't rotten to the core.. so I'll just say.. stop defending the box.

I could give many examples of the Government illegally searching peoples homes and possessions. Here is 1 recent incident: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...zing-everyone/
Are you fine with this?
How come the government is not getting arrested for doing just what Gary did?

The way things are set up now, yes he should deserve some sort of retribution... a fine maybe... but jail time? In a foreign Country? Common that's just redonkulous.


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Old 10-09-2009, 11:43 PM   #9
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Defending the box?. Gees some people, I am trying to get out the box, you know think for my self, see how i would feel if it happened to me, think if i did what he did with the reasons he gave, then what would i expect to recieve as a punishment for it.

I am actually defending no one, just trying to make some people think in a different direction other than government. Government and what they have done to us all for so long still does not give us the right to do wrong and become criminals.
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Old 10-09-2009, 11:48 PM   #10
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Ok well lets go with your point Ammit.
Lets say you are a criminal who has all sorts of data on your computer that you don't don't want people to see. I dunno how you would feel if someone hacked into it, probably exposed and worried that people might find out what you are up to...

This is what happened in the Gary case.

The victim is not some innocent person having his house invaded... This seems to be the picture you are trying to portray however...

You can't just throw all examples into one pile...


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Defending the box?. Gees some people, I am trying to get out the box, you know think for my self, see how i would feel if it happened to me, think if i did what he did with the reasons he gave, then what would i expect to recieve as a punishment for it.

I am actually defending no one, just trying to make some people think in a different direction other than government. Government and what they have done to us all for so long still does not give us the right to do wrong and become criminals.
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Old 10-09-2009, 11:59 PM   #11
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Could Gary claim to be a "freeman on the land"???? Or is it too late for this route?

i.e. claim back his right to be a freeman on the land and not applicable by maritime law?

Just a thought...

Or alternatively all he has to do is get on a boat, maybe unsinkable, and get out from the coast by a certain distance and he is not applicable by UK law...
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Old 10-10-2009, 12:00 AM   #12
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ok, the point I am trying to make is, he knowingly broke into a sensitive computer where he must have known that if caught he would be hit hard.

Well he got caught and is obviously being hit hard so, does this still make it right to become as bad as they are? I believe this site pours love and light onto us all even if we are as I stated in one of my other topics, " I am bottom of the rung". Where would you allow it to end, when would you allow the excuse of the governments bad deeds to us all end and stop all bad things that are going on.

Where do we become better than they are?
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Old 10-10-2009, 12:29 AM   #13
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Where do we become better than they are?
My answer to that is when we listen to our heart and not our brain.

My heart says Gary is harmless and well meaning and does not deserve jail time.
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Old 10-10-2009, 12:46 AM   #14
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My answer to that is when we listen to our heart and not our brain.

My heart says Gary is harmless and well meaning and does not deserve jail time.
My heart is saying he did what he believed, my brain is saying he must have figured it was wrong to do it.

I have to ask, do you know this guy personally, do you know his actions were for good or was he just doing what he did because he had the skills to do it.

Are you using your own brain? to feel that what is going on is wrong or are you just listening to what is said on the avalon site and agreeing with it? You seem to be defending the guy , regardless of what he did and for what reasons.

Sometimes i feel to get an overall view of something then we must understand the other side of the argument. You cannot always sit on the fence and say " I ".
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Old 10-10-2009, 12:55 AM   #15
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I'd rather they went after all the computer malware and virus writers myself.
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Old 10-10-2009, 01:01 AM   #16
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Who is to say the malware and virus writers dont actually work for the malware and virus defeating industry?

After all said and done, if i was a goverment wanting to protect my data then I would employ Gary as a security advisor, after all, if he can get in then he might be able to keep others out.
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Old 10-10-2009, 02:04 AM   #17
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So lets see now......Gary is considered to be a criminal, so what would be fair punishment for his crimes........well lets look at any one of the elites, the bankers, any one of these people who have defrauded the public of their monies & are still doing it........hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm they too are criminals & what kind of punishment do they get.......the best lawyers that the taxpayers money can buy, & if convicted, a slap on the hand & house arrest in some swanky suite in a fancy hotel. At the very worst, a short prison sentence with some homely perks thrown in. How's that for a fair & just system.

Our friend Gary will get the book thrown at him for his one-time crime, in order to help bring the truth to humanity, & a very long prison sentence. No fancy hotel suite for him, or any comforts from home.......but then he is just one of the peasants.....who cares about him...........he is disposable. Such is life of planet earth.

Beam me up Scotty
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Old 10-10-2009, 04:27 AM   #18
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I don't know what the plans are now, but in July his lawyer said this:

What they are saying about Gary McKinnon
If the appeal is rejected, his lawyer, Karen Todner, plans to take the case to the House of Lords and/or the European Court of Human Rights...
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/51271,...-united-states
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Old 10-10-2009, 08:21 AM   #19
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I'm really ****** about Gary loosing his extradition case. I wish his appeal to the EU helps, but I'm afraid it's going to be a tough battle.

I'm going to do all I can to draw attention to this. I agree that he should be offered a job, not a prison sentance. If enough noise is made, it will not only help his case, but help with disclosure.

I have a cousin who once worked for the NSA's Central Security Service whose job it is to protect computer intellegence, etc. His duty involved transfering maintaining data that was in old hardware the the agency dosen't use anymore. Nothing too exciting (like shipping reciepts for paperwork in the cafiteria.... napkins and coffee cups) but he might have an insight or two.

If they try the case in LA, I have some lawyer friends who specialize in international law, but I would have to write a very persuasive letter as to why it's worth their time. The issue of UFOs and the secret space program would make more than a few worry about their reputations. I'm still going to try.

I was invited to a brunch with Congressman Sherman, who supports disclosure and exopolitics (like Ron Paul), but I didn't have the money one is expected to fork out for chow at the swanky restraunt. This was before Gary lost his battle. Now I would go anyway and approach Mr. Sherman in the parkng lot or something. We can still call his office and leave brief messages.

Let's not let this go until the last thread is pulled. Federal prisons are nasty places and Gary does not deserve such punishment.

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Old 10-10-2009, 10:41 AM   #20
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good job he didn't illegally download a music file by mistake - he'd have been hung, drawn & quartered by now



if his hack had been at another time maybe it would have been overlooked - but being in the wake of 911 and knocking out US Navy systems for a week - a bit more difficult
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Old 10-10-2009, 11:42 AM   #21
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I can see most on this thread agree with me, however yes he did break the law, yes he did find evidence, yes he does deserve punishment.
However again i would like to point out that govenments/agents/police/ councils/ are doing this sort of thing all the time, looking into our private data on line.
No this is the governments and law going mad.
If it had been anything else other than looking for the truth i doubt if this would even have come to court.
Gary did what he did because he was sick like the most of us now of this denial of Et life forms/ufo's and free energy, something we have the right to know about!
They could have tried him here, he would have done his time but to send him out to the US to make an example of him will tip him over the edge and how does the crime he played out warrant 60/70 years in prison
If he does get sent to the US i have grave feelings for his sanity he has already said he would face suicide rather than being sentenced for life which it basically is, even murderers over here do not get a sentence like this.
And what of his mother how could she possibly be there for him she has fought a long battle on his behalf it's a sad day in the McKinnon household for sure.
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Old 10-17-2009, 07:10 PM   #22
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Who is to say the malware and virus writers dont actually work for the malware and virus defeating industry?
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My brother's friend used to work as a software engineer for a famous antivirus company & guess what? Nailed it! Job Security.

Shyt-stem is right. In ancient China...you paid the doctor a monthly sum when you were healthy, so the healthier the community was, the wealthier the doctor was. Win/Win. Harmonious. Symbiotic.

From Gary's account, these guys left the equivalent of the side entrance to the Pentagon open over the weekend.

"War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength." - Come On. This is getting pretty tired. This secretive competition based BS is OV-ER! Bring out all the dirt laundry, lets deal with it and evolve.
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Old 10-17-2009, 07:42 PM   #23
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well they gotta keep trying to keep him here, just can't imagine what he is going through.
I'm sending him light and love and hope that the truth in all of this will out soon.
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Old 10-17-2009, 09:40 PM   #24
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My sympathies are for Gary. Enough years of his life have been wasted by the slow progress of justice! He needs to get a job and get off the dole!

I wonder whether Gary has some documentation stashed away that he might use as a bargaining chip. I personally don't think he will be extradited. Too much negative publicity for the U. S. will be generated. All the details about what Gary found when he hacked into the Pentagon computers will be intensively raked over by the media.

I remember that Dan Burish publicly stated that he would come to Gary's defense if he were extradited - (Camelot archives). Will he keep his promise?
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Old 10-17-2009, 10:15 PM   #25
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I listened to a Coast 2 Coast interview on you tube with Dr Steven Greer. Who I have the upmost respect for.
He mentioned that he was going to be writing a letter in defense of
Gary Mckinnon.
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