Can any of you work this one out.

Take your mind back, back, right back before their were galaxies, universes, everything, to when there was absence of light, just nothing. Now,

I was brought up a Catholic and we were taught that God had no beginning and no end, a big, big mystery.

This mystery really has my head spinning because when I ponder it, I just cannot imagine something always being, just being without being created in the first place.

What do you think.

[371]

To quote Ronnie James Dio: "The vision never dies, life's a never-ending wheel"

There's a theory that if you travel far enough across the universe you come out on the other side.

There is no beginning and there is no end. It's all a cosmic multi-dimensional loop. Like string theory with the ends spliced together.

That's what I think...

[RedeZra]

i cant remember who wrote this but its so nice...

I saw Divinity the other night
like a ring of pure and endless light
all calm as it was bright


i have to go with the exposition of Veda -Hindu sacred writings about the concept of Brahman... unchanging, infinite, immanent, and transcendent reality which is the Divine Ground of all matter, energy, time, space, being, and everything beyond in this Universe

Being (Existence) Consciousness Bliss

A state (Samadhi) experienced in eg meditation...state of being aware of one’s Existence without thinking, in a state of undifferentiated “Beingness" and bliss (ananda) and joy (sukha).

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[777 The Great Work]

Originally Posted by Tuza

Take your mind back, back, right back before their were galaxies, universes, everything, to when there was absence of light, just nothing. Now,

I was brought up a Catholic and we were taught that God had no beginning and no end, a big, big mystery.

This mystery really has my head spinning because when I ponder it, I just cannot imagine something always being, just being without being created in the first place.

What do you think.

There is one entity expressing itself through mutiplicity in the universe. This means its everywhere and nowhere at the same time. No beginning and no end.
When we are standing at the shore of the infinite ocean of conciousness the conciousness is the shore and the center. This is the secret of the number ten. 1 am alpha and 0 mega also hidden in this phrase is one of the hidden names of the all which is IAO

[whitecrow]

Originally Posted by Tuza

This mystery really has my head spinning because when I ponder it, I just cannot imagine something always being, just being without being created in the first place.

What do you think.

I can imagine something just being because I can imagine being outside time. Anyway, I would be very, very disappointed if all of life and the universe were not steeped in mystery - the more I understand, the more I know there is "out there" that I will never fully comprehend.

[TranceAm]

Originally Posted by Tuza

Take your mind back, back, right back before their were galaxies, universes, everything, to when there was absence of light, just nothing. Now,

What do you think.

I can't go there, because everything that is, has always been, in one form (Pending Perception or posibility to perceive) or another.. Your body building blocks are as old as the universe itself.

If we can prove One 4 dimensional Universe, then we have established the possibility of an infinity of such (Paralell) universa in a higher dimension.

If we establish that the Minds Eye, is a point that is perpendicular to all other dimensions in this universe, then what is behind the minds eye has to be in a higher dimension. So even there "nothing" doesn't exist.

Sorry, can't do.

[Consciousness]

Originally Posted by Tuza

Take your mind back, back, right back before their were galaxies, universes, everything, to when there was absence of light, just nothing. Now,

I was brought up a Catholic and we were taught that God had no beginning and no end, a big, big mystery.

This mystery really has my head spinning because when I ponder it, I just cannot imagine something always being, just being without being created in the first place.

What do you think.

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Tuza, you can add yourself to a never ending list of people who have pondered over the same question.

Here is my take on it; Perhaps we cannot fully understand the meaning of existence in its fullest sense, (not in this 3rd dimension of reality anyway)

Either nothing exists or nothing exists. Once you accept that in the beginning nothing existed, it all begins to come clear, right?

Well it will in the fourth (or is it 5th?) density, hope to see you all there where you can explain it to me telepathically..... I mean it too.

[TranceAm]

Originally Posted by Consciousness

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Either nothing exists or nothing exists. Once you accept that in the beginning nothing existed, it all begins to come clear, right?

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No it doesn't, explain..

"Nothing" is a concept of abcense of everything and/or anything.

"Nothing" exists is a contradiction in terms.

And including "Nothing" as part of "Everything" doesn't work since there is one example where it becomes a contradiction.. Namely when the Domain "Everthing" only consists of one member "Nothing"

So for the people "Not behind the red tape" can you explain how you see:

Either nothing exists or nothing exists. as being true, without that it is a nice and true wordplay that doesn't have linguistical errors?

[Cezam]

Stop thinking of the concept of TIME. TIME is a human thing to help us make sens of events. But everything is NOW, there is no before and no after, there is nothing but right now, days, hours, minutes or seconds. We need time to understand our world, but think of it as everything existing right now. everything!!! Even nothingness.

[hueyii]

In a book the Catholic church doesnt endorse "The Secret Book of John" (Nag Hammadi Library) Jesus states words to the effect that once you know the beginning then you also shall know the end.

A couple of thoughts on this.

we live in a fractal reality where this reality (and others) are repeated as you move through fractal dimensions

we exist is a perpetual state of expansion/contraction (big bang over and over)

Just thoughts...

[PodWORLD]

For anyone who isn't familiar with the Emerald Tablet previously referred to.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/alc/emerald.htm

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[THE eXchanger]

Originally Posted by Cezam

Stop thinking of the concept of TIME. TIME is a human thing to help us make sens of events. But everything is NOW, there is no before and no after, there is nothing but right now, days, hours, minutes or seconds. We need time to understand our world, but think of it as everything existing right now. everything!!! Even nothingness.

The 13th POST to a thread (i love 13)

373 friends = 3+7+3=13

so, what about parallel lifes ???

if you want to move out of 3D, you got to graduate it

and, beyond that, it is just one graduation, after another

i once followed the timelines of a person
and, found them channeling
The Imposter God, and, The Goddess of Lies,
so much, for GOD

i have trouble, with "jesus" worship
i can NOT believe, that a GOD,
would create a son, better than everyone else
AND, THAT, through him, i could lose my sins !!!

what about The Mother God, and, The Father God,
of GOD ??? what about The Great Spirits ???
what about the god / and, goddess in all of us
and, in the all in all

i think, it starts /and, it ends,
with finding a "wholeness" and, a "oneness"
with our lower, and, our higher selves
and, when we accomplish that,
how much easier it will be,
to meet that in another

GEEZ...this is my 888th post

i think it's is simple

YOU DO...to BE
and, you do that, to be, all that you can will into being

while making it, easy, simple & fun !!!

So, will it to be, so, it will be
(just as you intend)

isn't it time,
we brought the real magic of avalon & of camelot back to the round ?

love
susan
the eXchanger

[orb]

In the concept of Free energy is it stated, there is more energy on one cubic inch of empty space, then we generate in the world in a day, so this has to be a form of intellgence or energy by default, and greater matter which has no form. Often this is called negative energy.

Many teaching and writings, including those of Aleister Crowley talks about nothingness to nothingness, and out of the nothing comes the fog that keeps gathering, until manifestation occurs into our reality, betwenn nothingness.

So one could say, our existence deprives creatvity, or existing in natural form, since we are filling otherwise empty space and possibly creator spirit as well, and that our existence in a way is less that the space we take up and displace.

Just simply accept that becomming nothing, is actually greater, not less, because it is more by being less, because what seems to be nothing actually is filled this elusive everything, and in a way you return to source.

Yeah, boggles my mind too, but now in writing this, I think I just had a sudden realization of why humans might be born in sin from a religious point of view, because we have manifested a body which takes away from the source usually present in empty space. And to be born again and inviting in Christ, would be inviting in the source that was displaced by you manifesting your body.

My head hurts.

[Rareheart]

In the same way fish have no natural fear of fire, humans can not grasp the concept of timelessness. We experience our day to day reality as a function of 3 dimensions plus time. All motion depends on time to define it (as well as the 3 spacial dimensions).
Our senses lead to awareness, awareness depends on time, for comparison.
Our minds compare everything we witness, to everything else we've witnessed over time.
So to remove time from the equation, would also remove the equation.

imho.

[brutus35]

Great thread,
I am in agreement with your postulation, Susan,
Here is what my research, associations, learning and meditations have taught me.
There is no such thing as "nothing" in the universe or cosmos, what we consider as nothing, is simple "not visible, or not perceived", and not non existent.
GOD the "Prime Existence" is not an entity or being, but rather the all ecompassing source of ALL light, All energy, All love and All consciuusness.
In other words if you can identify or concieve of all the light, love, energy and conciousnes that exist everywhere in everything that is in existence, then you have the "Prime Existence" that is GOD, the Divine Conciousness, the Eternal Oneness, The All there Is. There is no "outside of existence". no empty space, no seperate entity. Everything is just fragments or holographic projections of the one universal or cosmic SOUL. Again, in other words there is only (as Bob Marley so eloquently put it) One Love, One Light, One Energy and One Consciousness. That is all there was, all there is and all that there always will be.
I do know and was taught that it is extremely difficult (sometimes almost impossible) to conceptualize Eternal Oneness from a viewpoint of Limited conciousness and third Dimension Duality...Since light is all there is, one day everythng that we now perceive including the earth will return to the Light.
Let me remind you that the only purpose that we are here on this plane of existence, is to realise and embrace our Divinity, to change that part of our conciousness that is still in darkness to Light, so that we can re-merge with our higher self, which is pure Light....SIMPLE..

Give yourselves a pat on the back..Brothers and Sisters

"IT TAKES TREMENDOUS COURAGE TO BE HUMAN"

Emmanuel

[hueyii]

Originally Posted by brutus35

Let me remind you that the only purpose that we are here on this plane of existence, is to realise and embrace our Divinity, to change that part of our conciousness that is still in darkness to Light, so that we can re-merge with our higher self, which is pure Light....SIMPLE..
Emmanuel

I get this, but when I reach this point I'm stuck with the question, To what end? I mean if we manage to realize and embrace our divinty, re-merge with our higher self, which is pure Light. do we move on to something else or do we just start all over again?

[brutus35]

First of all, there is no such thing as an empty space. It is just not possible.
You may remember the experiment conducted by the german physicist Otto Von Gerrick, who tried to create an empty space, within the magdeberg hemispheres. When they thought they had succeeded they tried using 16 horses, 8 on each side of the half spheres, to pull them apart but could not.
They then concluded that even if you can create a space close to empty. it will have to be completely sealed off, super strong, and nothing will be able to exist in such a space.
When we have discovered and accepted our divinity, and as such end our cycle of reincarnating on the earth plane, we enter into a state of unlimited potential and full consciousness. We will then decide what we want to do next, where we want to go or exist or what next we want to create. We can even chose to return to the earth plane to assist those who are still in the learning process and are in need of guidance and consolation. The choice is always ours, has always been and always will be.
For the benefit of those who are still in doubt about choice..Please understand, that before you entered into this phase of earthly existence, you chose your parents, your name, the village, town, city and country you were to be born into. you chose your education, the car you will drive, in otherwords you chose every thing down to the most minutest detail of yor sojourn here, even the time and manner by which you will leave this earth plane. One reason is so that you will not be able to blame anyone for your present station or evoloutionary unfoldment...although many of us still do..
We fall victim to years and years of human conditioning and indoctrination and we totally forget who we are and why we are here.

That is why I think it was shakespeare who said, that All knowledge is reminisscent..

[linkes]

I also battled with getting my head around this concept at first, but it was just the conditioning, slowly as you start to rewire your brain the acceptance allows an opening, which then brings you back to that moment of connectedness.

It is only a matter of time .

Peace and Blessings
Linkes

[hueyii]

Originally Posted by linkes

I also battled with getting my head around this concept at first, but it was just the conditioning, slowly as you start to rewire your brain the acceptance allows an opening, which then brings you back to that moment of connectedness.

It is only a matter of time .

Peace and Blessings
Linkes

yep, I'm working on it. takes some 30 seconds and some 30 years. I'm pushing the 30 year mark. From time to time I get flashes of infinite understanding but they are instantly over. Somebody told me that was because before my mind could comnpletely grasp the infinite it had changed. It was like something clicked, like a door open but just as it was all dawning on me the door slammed shut, the information pulled away. Is that the "aha" moment? Whatever it was it was really cool and I enjoyed it better than anything.

[conjuredUp]

Ahhhhh....

Behold the Avalon I adore.

Sharing light. This is what it is all about. This will bring us to understanding.

Profoundly simple (It just IS) and confounding at the same time (but why?).

LOVELOVELOVE,
C

[Circlewerk]

The words, ideas, theories that I come to when thinking about this topic, thwart it at the same time.
If at once I think I know, I am limited by that knowledge. And that knowledge limits the vastness of it.
For now, there is contentment in uncertainty, and also a vibration that is beyond any knowledge that the past or possible future, offers.
I will make it small by trying to describe it, these words are so limiting. But the energy is profound when awareness shifts there & is being there.

Tuza, you were taught that God has no beginning & no end..energy is the same.
Moves into form, through form & out of form..

When I am the awareness of this, without the desire to know it or prove it, there is now and now is always enough.

Pure~
CW

[TranceAm]

Originally Posted by hueyii

yep, I'm working on it. takes some 30 seconds and some 30 years. I'm pushing the 30 year mark. From time to time I get flashes of infinite understanding but they are instantly over. Somebody told me that was because before my mind could completely grasp the infinite it had changed. It was like something clicked, like a door open but just as it was all dawning on me the door slammed shut, the information pulled away. Is that the "aha" moment? Whatever it was it was really cool and I enjoyed it better than anything.

Some even Longer then 35 years... But then again, no regrets <it was a fun childish time, without responsibility. >|
I initiated a book party once, where friends could either write their own story and read it, or read part of their favorite book...
The only ones writing a new piece (Creativity) were my shaman at that time and me. He noted later, ain't it wonderful, that we even can do that if nesesary.. God knows what we can do more, if requested, and thus pointed to a possibility that is explorable.. Also that we were getting used to being behind the third eye, and starting to explore our path in that infinity creative territory.

I "played" the person my friends had known for so long, and read from piece of paper, I played I didn't recognize as being written to me., (1st rule of people playing an act: Never disappoint an audience.)
I had given this piece of paper to my partner before the party, with the message that that would be the last piece read that evening, and I would play like I didn't know who wrote it, and for certainly not acknowledge that it was written by me!!!.

Written by what I call my alter (IQ 10,000) ego (The Flashes you talk about.), explaining in a short story that this party was given as a bright thought to the person they knew, and specialy to give them the message on the paper:
That we were all gods.. And were going to exist forever. Plus that we better get used to the thought and start behaving like it.

I guess they went all home with something to think about.. If only whether I had now at last lost all my marbles
Most dropped me like a hot potato, when I choose to live my life my way in stead of the "accepted" and "paved" way, by dropping my old existence (The Lie I had lived for so long and worn like a body suit!) like a butterfly leaves behind its cocoon.

[brutus35]

Hey Huey11,
One can never loose their individuality, nor will you ever get tired of your existence, no matter how hard you try or wherever you may be in creation/existence. Depending on your state of being, you may not recognise yourself as a mary or a john etc. but you will always be in an individual state of being or beingness. I do not want to bore you with examples, but here's something to ponder..
One night I had one of my OBE's, and as I left my body and my room, I
found myself in a crowd of people boarding a bus, I ask someone where the bus was going, I got a response that we will soon be in Austin?. When the bus stopped around the next turn, I got out, as if being led to do so by some instinct. I looked across this old country road and saw two houses on a hill, I was instinctly drawn to the one that seemed old and wooden. I went to the kitchen area, and saw a little girl about 4 years of age, she looked towards me and said, "you forgot mummy". Since she did not address me as dady, and I did not know who she is or who I was in relation to her, I did not respond, but I suspected I (one of my other selves) was supposed to be there earlier and did not show up.
I went to what appeared as the living area, and as I got there I saw a young woman at about 26-28 years of age, and as she approached me, I said I am sorry I just got here but I had to catch the bus, to which she replied, "that's okay, I decided not to go to work today" and just before she reached me I was pulled back into my body.
This is typical of all of my OBE's I always seem to be just in the right place at the right time in order to fill in..The reason I say this is because I am unable to create an OBE, no matter how I have tried, however I always know when I am about to have one involuntary, and all I have to do is relax and at turn completely out or my body. The problem I always have is deciding how to respond to questions asked by those who can actually see me, because I am
not always visible to every one.
In essence you can never be bored, because there is and always be at your disposal myriads of galaxies to explore, to experience, to create within and yes.. to love. If you ever experience love in the astral realm "holy moly" you will realise you can never, never, ever be bored with existence....