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10-13-2008, 04:36 AM | #151 | |
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10-13-2008, 07:44 PM | #152 |
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Re: New Zeitgeist film out today.
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I just watched it. It IS A MUST SEE. Love the Venus Project as well.
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10-14-2008, 11:33 AM | #154 |
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I found one more very very interesting article on Zeitgeist Addendum which explains the connections between the Venus project, the film, the theosophical society, the U.N., the N.W.O. and what is there to come again written by Chris White. I'll be back with the article.
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10-14-2008, 12:49 PM | #155 | |
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Venus is synonymous with the old Testament name Lucifer. and here is a good read The new Zeitgeist film features and is seemingly dedicated to a man named Jacque Fresco. He is the man behind the Venus Project. It’s been my belief for a while now that Peter Joesph and most of those behind ZG are Mystery School Initiates and more specifically Theosophists. Now, what does this have to do with the cybernetic/mystical symbol above? Please reread my initial post and then read the following taken from a PDF file on the Venus Project’s home page enitled, Imagining the Cybernetic City: The Venus Project. Having identified today’s problems as technical in nature it is not surprising that Fresco foresees a cybernated society where as ‘AI develops, machines will be assigned the tasks of complex decision-making in industrial, military and governmental affairs … This would not imply a take-over by machines’ (Ibidem 56).9 It won’t be a take-over because, as it is already argued – at various degrees of alarm and/or approval – within contemporary post-humanist discourse, ‘the division between living bodies and technology is increasingly difficult to maintain’ and ‘we are well on our way to becoming machinic’ (Armitage 1999, 2)10. In other words, we will become machine ourselves, our salvation as a species resides in the loss of our humanity as we know it: ‘When biological technology becomes further advanced, human beings as we know them, will become a modified species. If we as human beings fail to include the possibility of this development in our overall, social evolution we will witness the decline of our species’ (Fresco 2002, 141). Besides the obvious, that this type of communal living is based completely on socialism… ask yourself about the timing of this film with the economic turmoil of the hour. Ask yourself why PT1 of ZG attacking Christianity is exactly the same thing that Bill Cooper exposed as the teachings of the Mystery Schools before he was killed. According to Alice Bailey’s The Externalization of the Hierarchy, “The new world order must be appropriate to a world which has passed through a destructive crisis and to a humanity which is badly shattered by the experience. ” The new world order must lay the foundation for a future world order which will be possible only after a time of recovery, of reconstruction, and of rebuilding.” Don’t believe that everyone exposing the NWO is fighting on the right side of things. The NWO we’ve had revealed to us is the scapegoat for the coming NWO which will be billed as the kingdom of God. Zeitgeist is all part of the global shift in consciousness that the Theosophists have been calling for, for well over a century. Lots of truth, but just enough BS to indoctrinate you into their train of thought. There’s much more to Fresco than just a man that hates commercialism… then again, he charges a hundred bucks for a photo of one of his egg carton like homes, or space ages robo-builders. Looks to me this “thing” shows a link between cybernetics and occultism that shouldn’t be overlooked. Especially when the core of Theosophy teaches that through science and technology the god of this world will be able to manifest. Their god, is named for Venus… and his name is Lucifer. be well GB ***** |
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10-14-2008, 01:29 PM | #156 | |
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Here you go guys. http://conspiracyclothes.com/nowhere...st_2review.wmv Please watch this 14 minute video about Zeitgeist addendum if you liked the film. It gets a little deeper then what googleboy has written (which is very good imho). Thank you googleboy. addendum :P : This is also a very interesting video about Zeitgeist http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPXc1QcmYDY Last edited by elirien; 10-14-2008 at 01:37 PM. Reason: addendum :P |
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10-14-2008, 01:42 PM | #157 | |
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it was just copy - paste work ) (someones else view that I liked...) but thanks anyway be well GB *** edit: typo Last edited by googleboy; 10-14-2008 at 01:45 PM. |
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10-15-2008, 03:42 AM | #158 |
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A few hours ago I heard that Alex Jones is going to try and get the producer of Addendum on to his show to discuss the points raised by Alex, once he's satisfied himself about where they're coming from with it. I think AJ is just being protective, like any shepherd worth his salt.
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10-19-2008, 11:26 AM | #160 |
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For those who have already seen Zeitgeist Addendum and are interested to know more about the world financial system and how it came to be, I recomend 'The money Masters'.
It is long and detailed documentary, but as I said if you are interested to know more, it is well worth watching. It is very well documented throuout and although it seems it was produced in the mid nineties, it is so relevant now!!! The money masters can be viewed from here http://lawparadox.com/ top of the page The more people understand how it really works, the better it is for us all! Last edited by anonypony; 10-19-2008 at 01:19 PM. |
10-19-2008, 11:39 AM | #161 |
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Last week a friend send me the 'Commons committee invites 'viewers' to send in questions' news item (see below). She wrote: "I reckon you might have some good questions for them"
I wrote back saying: I will ask a succession of questions seeking short factual answers: Q: Who does the British gov borrow the money from? Q: Who owns the bank of England, the federal reserve, all other central and world banks including the IMF? Q: Who issue the money the British gov borrows? Q: Since most of world governments, their services and the assets of most people of this earth, are based on borrowed funds, who really owns the world? Should be interesting.... If at all allowed... Commons committee invites 'viewers' to send in questions One of the privileges of being a member of a Commons select committee is that you get to interrogate ministers and other powerful figures. But now it seems that the Treasury select committee is contracting part of that job out to members of the public. It's just sent out a press release saying that it's inviting members of the public to submit questions to be put to Alistair Darling, Mervyn King and Adair Turner at a subsequent hearing. I'm sure it won't be quite the same as a radio phone-in – "Clive from Maidenhead wants to know what you're doing about the inter-bank lending rate" – but that seems to be the direction in which they're heading. As far as I know, this is a first for a select committee. John McFall, the chairman, explains why he's doing it in the press notice (which should be on the committee's website soon). Taxpayers are naturally very concerned about the scale of this investment. The committee hopes that by providing people with the chance to have us put their questions to those in charge, we can provide a constructive way of engaging the public on a matter of such deep concern to the whole country. |
10-19-2008, 05:13 PM | #162 |
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What a wonderful movie.
They didn't rework ZG 1. And most facts INCLUDING the reuse of the meme about resurrection by Jesus still stand. (Why be original, if it worked before?) The money system.... What can one say, but "Bankers, something not to bank on!" The Future, hopeful, but dare we make THAT change... And what are we going to do with people, that are like ticks embedded in the current system, and won't come out voluntairy, or give up their power voluntairy.. One would almost say or claim that that is why 911 happened was set of as justification to "prevent" a system change from happening. Funny that ZG 2 mentioned something I stated not to long ago to Magii in another thread about money and products he made. OK, when do we start working towards this world.. And how to initiate the first steps? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyqfEo7FMeo http://www.totse.com/en/ego/literary_genius/162642.html |
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Well, isn't the NOT adressing them, an answer by itself, and now the credibitly and reliability part is on the other side... They claim ressurection so they prove.... 1st that Christ did it, and did it first. (The "Original" so to speak.) And extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof beyond the 5th. Quote:
First of all: The DEBT they claim you have to them, doesn't exist. It is an illusionary chain around people's necks, that is there as long as people want to believe it is there. Second of all, There is an honor debt to all the people Non-American that exchanged their lifetime and countries resouces for American Debt bills. That WAS the "Free Lunch". Your thoughts? |
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10-20-2008, 11:52 PM | #165 |
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Yes, the 'Addendum' was very good. It's sobering to think that every dollar/euro/yen/GBP etc. in existence, be they real or 'virtual', in reality hold a negative value - to clear a nation's debt would require all that have been created, (from nothing!) PLUS the accumulated interest on the principal - but since there would be none outstanding, this shortfall would have to be 'borrowed' - hence, you find yourself in a Hell of sorts!!!
Looked at another way, with every penny you earn, bill you pay, or product you buy, you are in reality an active participant in indebting your country, creating nothing, just generating more debt! Death to all Bankers... |
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Well the thing they didn't address was if all religions were solar cults in its essence. The 'debunkers' (don't like that word. Sounds like they were offering an alternative to truth), or fact checkers so to speak claim that the facts they show on Maxwell's research is bs. Not just the ressurection aspect but also if Jesus of Nazareth was real or just some concept embedded in astro-theology (which just reeks bs imho but one has to have an open mind on this matters). The claims which were false in the first film and from biased information which were unproven theories from secret society members (the secret society membership is here the un-important part imho). They didn't find any facts supporting these claims. Quote:
Later on the venus project tries to throw the baby out with the bathwater by generalizing problems which are very localized on the administration of money. Well this is how I see it. I hope you can find the holes in my story because I think I convinced myself pretty much with this. cheers |
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The point of this opener is to highlight that this corrupt monetary system is very much a global issue, and not just confined to the US - afterall, this was the system of 'choice' (at least for the Bankers!) in use in Europe, long before it 'spread' to the USA. Presently, practically every major monetary system is a Fiat currency based on fractional banking - and the 'Addendum' movie does a great job in showning what a farce this system is! And when you realise that banks worldwide are right now in the process of being "baled-out" by taxpayers - in essence, getting Central banks to generate more worthless 'money' from nothing, while passing all liabilities to the taxpayers - and ultimately, what will have changed? Just more debt created! In Chess parlance, we are being set-up for a Check-Mate! Maddening... Last edited by sprocket; 10-21-2008 at 02:57 PM. |
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However, you are still stuck with all the greed-based problems associated with this current system - a perfect example relates to oil: despite our 'space-age technology', the internal combustion engine is largely identical in construction and performance to what was available 120 years ago, despite hugely more efficient designs being available even that long ago! This is the result of greed, pure and simple. If the greed-incentive to impede progress didn't exist, polutionless cars that ran on water would have been available a century ago... Last edited by sprocket; 10-21-2008 at 09:25 PM. |
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The claim is that Jesus existed and did extraordinairy things.. (All fine and dandy, since it ain't mandatory anymore to believe in that..) The strange thing that happens is that one first has to approve to this claim, before one can have a counter claim or have an alternative claim... And has to come up with proof that discounts the first claim before we even can get to the second claim, or back to the neutral situation without the now disproven first claim.. And giving the information to justify a reasonable doubt ain't enough to counter the first claim, although reasonable doubt was enough to stake the first claim... Quote:
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If that wasn't the case, then the US & the WOrld would be full of libraries, and palaces thus without the need for the Venus Project. That ain't the case, although a double wide is still luxury over that war torn piece of concrete in Bagdad. Cheers... Last edited by TranceAm; 10-22-2008 at 01:10 AM. |
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Wait a second. The claim by Zeitgeist is that every religion they show on there (Islam is not shown by the way) is an astro cult, which the elite and the sheople believe in as the worship of the one true god, which is bs. in the case of christianity (not catholicism by the way. That is a pantheistic cult). I don't know how much you care about slandered people in this case but I get upset if someone is called a schill or psy-ops (which Alex Jones was called before he pressed the israeli side of 9/11). Quote:
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By the way it would also be nice to hear from the "I luv Zeitgeist" crowd. Not that I am singling (spelling!?) myself out here. Let's look at it in more detail rather then a piece of entertainment (I say it every time. I luv this series soundtracks ) |
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I didn't read their book after their wondrous simplifications and demagogy in Zeitgeist addendum. I would be very glad if you could 'enlighten' me what does really change besides labels on the economy that so much resembles just any other economy model (communism, socialism or even capitalism). Suppression of technology has nothing to do with economy model but has to do with the unmoral behavior of the central banking profession whom we know is used by corrupt, sick, occultist individuals. But that spiritual aspect is unimportant now is it? Just the corrupt behavior of Joe sixpack is the problem not bohemian grove, illuminism, luciferianism, theosophism etc. |
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Neither did I read their book and I would agree that their 'vision' as presented is indeed simplified, but considering they had 15-20 minutes, I think they did a pretty good job! And as they themselves admitted, it is far from perfect, but is a lot better than what is currently available. As for what changes it could manifest, consider what would happen if tomorrow the world governments told us that we were in imminent danger of being invaded by little green guys, and the world as a whole must prepare for this. Instantly, this inslaving monetary system would be forgotten about, with the whole world adopting a true "resource-based" existence - the farmers would feed us, their machinery and equipment needs would be met by industry, and on and on. This didn't happen during our own major wars precisely because they were orchestrated to a large extent by bankers, who were funding both sides simultaneuously! Remove this 'dead-wood' though and you would see just how well the human race as a whole can work together, while also highlighting how un-necessary a currency-based economy really is... I'm well aware that technology suppression has nothing to do with an economic model, but it nicely highlights just one of the ugly facets of a greed-based monetary system, how technological advancement, however necessary, can be stunted or stopped althogether (as with the I.C.E) by a tiny minority of unscrupulous individuals... |
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Sorry about that, My bad, I should have written acknowledged. Let me give an example of what I mean, and see how far you approve of it. A person mind can (Considering believing anything but in this case say "God".) in a virgin state, when he has never heard of that meme before... Needles to say, In this world, one has to be a little child unable to understand language to be in this state. The moment the meme is introduced in the persons mind, accompanied with the proof as surrounding us and supplied by the religions that go around (Complete sometimes with the carrot/stick approach and endless indoctrination from several sources..), The person can do 2 things, Either accept it, or reject it. Accepting it means becoming in a believer. (And Xerox the meme.) Rejecting it means changing from virgin to an unbeliever... However, in case unbelieving or later believing something different, now in every discussion case this meme, the person has to prove that the meme is untrue before putting forward his own proof for his own case... He has to acknowledge the meme as something that can be disproved, while it has never been proven to start with... Word games? Nono, it is World Games. And according to religions that go around: Winner takes all. :-) Again a pleasure. P.S Commander Adama? Lorne Greene or Edward James Olmos? http://www.battlestargalactica.com/index.htm |
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Now, as far as the quote above is concerned, let me state that: GOLD IS NOT A RESOURCE. Gold is a commodity that we have historically used as a measure of wealth, but a currency system backed by gold is NOT resourced-based because GOLD IS NOT A RESOURCE. Neither is silver, platinum, diamonds, rubies, jewels..... the wealth that these commodities represent is not resource-based. The idea of these things measuring wealth is a complete ABSTRACTION. For more on that line of thought, check out Alan Watts, who I've mentioned on this forum before. And if you are wondering what a commodity is, here is wikipedia to the rescue: Quote:
Once again wikipedia provides us with an definition of capital: Quote:
What are you going to DO about the social/economic/humanitarian crisis that we face? What ACTION have you decided upon, if any? Let's talk about that. By the way, instead of attacking Jaque Fresco on the basis of his appearance in Zeitgeist Addendum, why not respond to his actual writings? There is plenty to be found on the Venus Project website, from which this excerpt has been pulled: Quote:
While we are all furiously researching, which I believe most people on this site are doing in earnest, let's try to remember that there is a point to all of this homework. I can't tell you what the point is for you, but I know that for myself, I want to determine the most appropriate action to take for the betterment of my life and the life of everyone on this planet. I suppose yall have to figure out your own individual objectives and when you do find it, make sure that your intellectual efforts are being properly directed toward that goal. Great Love, John |
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