Potential sea level rises - and where does the water come from?

[Bill Ryan]

Hi, All:

Kerry and I listened to this very recent Zeph Daniel interview with JOHN MOORE (1 hr) last night. Click here to download:

http://projectcamelot.org/John_Moore_Zeph_Daniel.mp3

This is heavy stuff and needs to be heard. We'd welcome intelligent debate.

Here are the issues:

* Moore (whom we don't know) has talked with three USN submariners and independently they have referred to a classifed USN map that shows dramatic rising sea levels and changes of coastline. A hand-drawn map which we believe is similar to the map Moore refers to is below.

[Moore said - compellingly - that for submariners, knowing where the bottom and the surface of the ocean is is "mandatory".]

* Moore claims that recently (earlier in 2008) important moves were initiated such as the transfer of libraries and the planned relocation of the CIA to Denver.

* Moore claims that the Queen of England has a prepared underground facility near Crestone, CO. [We can confirm this from a source we know in CO.]

* Importantly: we reported in our major article 2008: The Future is Now that

One source, which we have not yet reported, has told us that on 5 November, 1971, using a device called a chronovisor, the US Supreme Court Building in Washington, DC, was observed "under about a hundred feet of brackish water".

We do NOT know the date of the event which was observed here, nor what the incident was determined to be that had caused this event.

We're still in close touch with this source, whom we've not yet met - but have talked with for over eight hours on the phone. In time, we hope to do an interview to help release this man's astonishing story.

I asked him where all this water could possibly come from. The melting of icecaps could not account for it. He did not know.

But John Moore has an explanation: the equatorial bulge, in which sea level is over 400 feet higher (i.e. further away from the center of the Earth) - held stable by the equilibrium of gravity and centrifugal force.

There are hundreds of cubic miles of 'extra' water there. A small wobble in the Earth's axis, he states, could trigger giant tsunamis that could cause unimaginable devastation.

This scenario SEEMS to be part of what Dan Burisch called the "T2" catastrophic timeline (on which future humans experienced a pole shift in or around 2012). He has clearly stated - and we believe him (see our major report on Timeline 1, variant 83) - that the 2012 pole shift has been averted.

John Moore, however, SEEMS to be saying that recent secret moves for preparedness appear to indicate that the Powers Thet Be are STILL preparing for something. Moore argues that the timeline for this looks to be sometime round about end 2009 or 2010. (Note: what Boriska said about a major catastrophe involving water.)

We are cautiously skeptical about Moore's information, but feel it's important enough to open a discussion about it. Our view (and intuition) remains that this level of catastrophe WILL NOT HAPPEN.

Very best to all, Bill

[Antaletriangle]

Thanks for this Bill-i raised a question about remodelled world maps after the raising of sea levels-Have you got one of Europe including U.K.? Crikey Charles!lol.

[lock'N'load]

Its quite strange that you bring this up Bill.

Just the other day i was watching the british news, I cannot fully remember what the topic matter was but it was irelivant.

What did strike me was the map that was displayed in the top left backround for about 4 seconds.

* It showed England with a much reduced coastline. It also appeared to have 3 large lakes which i estimated to be about 200 miles in diameter.

* Ireland was shown beside it. The coast line was receeded roughly about 100 miles and all that it appeared to be was a roughly circled much smaller Island.


This striked me as very strange indeed, and im not quite sure why it is they displayed it. I felt it had some relevency in this thread which is why i posted it.

I'll do my best to find the video on youtube. It will be like looking for a needle in a haystack because i cannot remember the exact date this was aired and unfortunatly i was that busy that i forgot all about it until you mentioned it here.

[John aka#404]

I have always wondered about the Canary Islands volcano and its effects.

Originally Posted by Number 404

I have always wondered about the Canary Islands volcano and its effects.

Yellowstone National Park - Super Volcano - blows & splits the US continental shelf in two maybe?

I remember watching a documnetary about this possible event some time last year..

Tektonic (sp?) plates forced wide apart after the eruption causing massive water displacement..

I really need to move away from the coast

[lock'N'load]

Ok guys i cannot find a copy of that news broadcast anywhere. If you know anyone who archives BBC and ITV broadcasts please tell me and I will do my best to root it out.

In the meantime i got a normal map of Britain and Ireland and edited to the best of my memory.

This is very similar to the map that was displayed on either the BBC or the ITV news for a very brief moment of time.



[edit] - Looking at this now, Ireland appeared to be much thiner then i have displayed in this picture. But im sure you get the idea.

[LackOf_Funds]

Originally Posted by lock'N'load

Ok guys i cannot find a copy of that news broadcast anywhere. If you know anyone who archives BBC and ITV broadcasts please tell me and I will do my best to root it out.

In the meantime i got a normal map of Britain and Ireland and edited to the best of my memory.

This is very similar to the map that was displayed on either the BBC or the ITV news for a very brief moment of time.



[edit] - Looking at this now, Ireland appeared to be much thiner then i have displayed in this picture. But im sure you get the idea.

Hi LNL

I wonder if what you glimpsed was just a map of the UK showing the Storm areas.

When there is storm or rain, they sometimes show this with a blue colour overlaid onto the map.

An example of this can be found here: (About a quarter of the way down the page titled: Major Flooding in June 2007)
http://geographyjazz.blogspot.com/20...1_archive.html

As you say the map was only visible for 4 seconds. This may be what you saw.

Thanks
LackOf_Funds - but lots of love!

[stefaan]

Maybe people take it not serious when I ask above about a tectonic tilt, due to the melt down of the polar ice.

On the web here I found this:

Tectonic Tilt Rates Derived from Lake-Level Measurements, Salton Sea, California
MARK E. WILSON 1 and SPENCER H. WOOD 2
1 U.S. Geological Survey, Menlo Park, California 94025
2 U.S. Geological Survey, Menlo Park, and Department of Geology and Geophysics, Boise State University, Boise, Idaho 83725


Tectonic tilt at the Salton Sea was calculated by differencing lake-level measurements from two points on the sea. During the past 26 years, tilting was down toward the southeast. By 1970 differential vertical movement amounted to 110 millimeters between two gages situated 38 kilometers apart on the southwest shore. A reversal in tilt direction in late 1972 has diminished the net differential vertical movement to 60 millimeters.

Submitted on April 17, 1979
Revised on October 10, 1979

Now, here you see tectonic tilt is not something coming from an imagination running wild.
In the article the tilt is very little.
But on the northpole ice caps run into the billions of tons. Lifting, or removing the ice must surely cause some tilting, or not?
So then some parts would be lifted and other parts would sink, so also water is displaced, etc...

[Antaletriangle]

Musado have a look at this!Docu drama there are 6 different end world scenarios in the whole vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7z09dXu0zGs

[Antaletriangle]

Thanks Lock n load i'm on the edge of the central lake but i'm at a far higher altitude than Cambridge which is fenland below sea level! and London is about 5 -a10 mets I realise it's a generalisation though.

[lock'N'load]

Originally Posted by Antaletriangle

Lock n load i'm on the edge of the central lake but i'm at a far higher altitude than Cambridge which is fenland below sea level! and London is about 5 -a10 mets I realise it's a generalisation though.

That map isnt 100% accurate mate, but its the best i can do with only my memory.

I'll make it my business to find someone who archives them news broadcasts, theres bound to be someone.

Unfortunatly im currently in an area that was submerged in that map close to the west coast.

Lets not take this too seriously ehh , if it happens it happens but im sure we will get some kind of warning well in advance. My prayers and best wishes are with ya.

[Antaletriangle]

Just edited a download in photoshop to illustrate a 350 feet rise in sea level and the effect in the Brit. isles from a relief map.

[shaundelear]

Originally Posted by Number 404

I have always wondered about the Canary Islands volcano and its effects.

Watch discovery a guy Dr Ian Stewart a geologist.
He did a series on the effects of geology on the civilisations he went to the Cannaries and showed that the island next to Tenerife- cant remember its name sorry
Anyway it has a two meter crack that runs through it ! This crack the doc tells us could break at any time and slide millions of tons of rock into the ocean creating a tidal wave big enough to wipe out the New York coastline.
Hope that helps

[Antaletriangle]

I think you may be referring to Las Palmas?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjuo-I...eature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=63P0Ds...eature=related

[Norval]

This may sound strange, but the research I have is showing our sea levels are going to drop by 60 - 100 meters. With alot of water going back up into clouds over the earth, like before the flood.

[Down Syndrome Adonis]

I'm not worried about sea levels moving much in my lifetime unless some kind of cataclysmic geological event occurs but this kind of thing has happened before one way or another and in either direction apparently as you all know...

http://www.morien-institute.org/yonaguni.html

http://members.toast.net/rjspina/Jap...er%20Ruins.htm

[Antaletriangle]

Lock n load try and find it mate!I'm very interested in rising sea levels and i mean abrupt rise!I want a map of Europe that represents a potential rise to see if my area is safe i'm curious even if this doesn't occurr.Could that map on the news have been a subliminal message like they use in advertising the winged dove in flight etc.?

[lock'N'load]

Originally Posted by Antaletriangle

Lock n load try and find it mate!I'm very interested in rising sea levels and i mean abrupt rise!I want a map of Europe that represents a potential rise to see if my area is safe i'm curious even if this doesn't occurr.Could that map on the news have been a subliminal message like they use in advertising the winged dove in flight etc.?

I will try my best. Its kind of difficult because it was sometime in the last six days and i just cant remember which one. I cant even remember what time it was on it just struck me when Bill mentioned it and i remember the map perfectly.

I could draw it for you if you like to give you some idea, for some reason i have a photographic memory of it.

Also, im going to do a google search for it. Someone else is bound to have noticed it as well and hopefully the done what i should have and followed it up straight away.

[Myplanet2]

perhaps there could be some source of upward pressure from beneath the sea bed/ocean floor?

I didn't know about the bulge due to centrifical force. That makes sense, and I can visualize the chaos if the earth should take on a wobble.

This sounds possible.

A Tsunami doesn't sound like it would account for a changed coast line, because it should naturally recede again.

This should be interesting. I used to like amusement park rides. Getting a bit old for it now.

[Myplanet2]

I recall seeing a coastline calculator based on rise in feet. I didn't bookmark it unfortunately, but Michael St Claire has a small animation on his lightseeds sight that shows England and some of Europe shrinking as sea level rises.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Strange that you bring this up today, over the last year, year and a half, I have had a dream of a friend and I paddling in a boat past rooftops in an area that is 50' above sea level.

That would mean a rise of up to 75-100 feet...

This morning while the site was down, I was reading through George Green's transcript from April and he is saying they foresee a major quake happening in California.

Instead of water rising is it possible a section of California could sink that far from a quake?

If that much land was suddenly pushed into the ocean, what type of rise would occur around the world?

Could a quake that size cause the wobble you mention allowing the band of water around the equator to spread?

[Nyssa]

Ramtha talks about this scenario of a 3 degree axis tilt, I think saying it's caused from the melting of the ice caps, which act like anchors on the earth. With the result being as discussed, water being sloshed around the earth like water in a bathtub.

[Mizar]

Bill; Thanks for the topic. There is evidence that this has happened before, several years ago I sailed to Santa Cruz Island 20 miles southwest of Santa Barbara, California Santa Cruz is about as pristine as you can get in that part of the world, Dr. Stanton owned most of it until his death in 1987, and kept visitors to a bare minimum. with the proper permits our group went for a Hike on the Island and found Beaches with sand, shells, etc at the 150 foot elevation, these were not just on one part of the island, but in many other places. The higher altitude beaches we found were above Prisoner's harbor.

[DoctorWho]

Reminds me of Gordon Michael Scalion's predictions of what Earth will look like.
Bill "the Doctor"
P.S. Nyssa? Companion to the 5th Doctor Who?

Please do not forget to factor in the web bot project global
coastal event.

Deb & I have been listening to JR Moore for several years now. We're very fond of him and believe him to be a sentimental dork (lovingly intended) caught in a 007 time warp.

JR's mantra is a home at least 500 ft ASL minimum. His archives are available at RBN and his website
is http://thelibertyman.com/

Mr Moore has been monitoring the move of government infrastructure away from the beltway to higher
ground for at least three years. Google CIA Denver is an example from his knowledge base. He claims that Al Gore's inconvenient truth is correct, but the time line is a lie and is much shorter. The move of critical government agencies is scheduled to be completed by January of 2009 to give you a frame
of reference for the actual time line.

He also gave advance warning from his good old boy special forces network of the mobilization of 25%
of the available reserves back in June. His source knew the number, but not the make up of units in
this mobilization. He's a nuts and bolts kind of a guy. Very believable. He will not mislead you unless
he has himself been misled.