Under Senate HEALTH? Care Plan, Either Way You Pay

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US: New Senate bill fines those who refuse to purchase health insurance. Collectivists abhor freedom-of-choice. Yahoo 2009 July 2 (Cached)

SOURCE: G. Edward Griffin's Site: http://www.realityzone.com/currentperiod.html

Under Senate health care plan, either way you pay

By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR, Associated Press Writer – Fri Jul 3, 7:25 am ET

WASHINGTON – First you paid to insure your car. Soon you may have to add health insurance premiums to that stack of monthly bills as well.
In a revamped health care system envisioned by senators, people would be required to carry health insurance just like motorists must get auto coverage now. The government would provide subsidies for the poor and many middle-class families, but those who still refuse to sign up would face fines of more than $1,000.

The details were unveiled Thursday in a health care overhaul bill supported by key Senate Democrats looking to fulfill President Barack Obama's top domestic priority.

Continues: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090703/..._care_overhaul

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Health Reform: Who Are They Trying To Fool?

Tuesday, July 7. 2009
Posted by Karl Denninger

Last line:

It is my opinion that we should be treating those in the health-insurance lobby, including hospitals, physicians and health-insurance providers, as co-conspirators in a racketeering scheme that effectively trades on the fear of disease and imminent bankruptcy to bamboozle and screw the population, while waving around their "hippocratic oath" - something better described as the "hypocritic oath."

Health care "reform" is the current hot-button, with the Obama administration now talking about a "public" health-insurance system to "keep the system honest."

Uh huh.

Look folks, you want to know why we have the health cost problems we have? I'll lay it out for you - in a way you can't refute or argue with:

1. There are no published prices. In no other line of work is it legal to do this. Nowhere. You can't sell someone a hot dog and tell them after they eat it what it just cost them. You can't hire a lawyer and have him tell you "I'll tell you what this will cost when we're done." You can't hire an electrician and have him tell you "I'll make up a bill when I'm done." In every line of work except health care, this is illegal. There are even laws for "major" consumer work (e.g. contracting, auto repair, etc) where they must give you a binding written estimate before beginning work!

2. Robinson-Patman makes it illegal to discriminate against like kind purchasers of goods in pricing decisions when the effect of doing so is to lessen competition. While it does not apply to services, it darn well should. Whether you are paying privately, you have private insurance or you're a Medicare patient if you need to have a breast reconstructed due to cancer the complexity of the procedure does not change. Yet it is a fact that the privately-billed amounts for uninsured ("rack rate") patients are often ten times or more that billed to insurers or Medicare. Try charging a cash purchaser 10x more for a TV than someone who finances that TV on your in-house credit facility and you would be shut down and thrown in jail.

#1 and #2 exist because of explicit efforts by the "health care" industry to exempt themselves from the laws that every other merchant of every other good and service in the United States must adhere to.

To put this bluntly the medical industry has intentionally put forward a system by which it can screw you with impunity, obtaining exemptions from the laws that cover every other area of commerce, thereby effectively forcing you to buy overpriced services you do not want to purchase lest an unexpected life event literally wipe you out.

This is an extortion racket and absolutely none of the proposals being put forward have done a thing to address any of it.

If we want to fix the health care pricing problem we can do so. It isn't very difficult.

Here's the prescription:

Continues: http://market-ticker.denninger.net/

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For those opposed to government health care, would you rather pay an arm and a leg for medical care?

I would rather my tax dollars be diverted from the Federal Reserve interest into making it so that I can get free, quality healthcare.

I'm getting a little tired of the right-wing spin machine's attacks on government health care. It is entirely plausible IF we stop spending money on the Fed and throwing away tons of money on defense like we currently do.

The health care industry is run by parasites and cockroaches that make a living off of making YOU pay whenever you get sick. When doctors give up and start referring you to "specialists", it's their way of telling you that you're going to have to pay MORE to get quality care.

There are plenty of Americans like myself that struggle with ridiculous medical bills. When a doctors office hounds you for owing them TEN DOLLARS (yes, $10!), you know that they're motivated only by cold, hard CASH. I have made inroads on paying off some bills but the letters reminding me that i owed $10 were unnecessary. if it was $100, I'd understand. $10? No way.

So, what would you rather do? Support the parasites and cockroaches that feed off of your money or put your money into quality care?

We have a chance to learn from the mistakes of other governmental health care programs, instead of using their failure as a strike against having government health care.

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Dr. Rand Paul on Glenn Beck today

Posted by Jesse Benton on 07/08/09 10:24 AM

Tune in at 5:00 pm ET sharp to hear Dr. Paul discuss Obama-Care.

SOURCE and COMMENTS: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=21427

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Dr. Rand Paul interview is up now, along with Charles Payne, CEO Wall Street Strategist.

Judge Napolitano is filling in for Glenn Beck.

VIDEO (5:57): http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=21427