Discussion : Ideas for Pre-emptive Supply Storage

RevyUK · 09-10-2008, 05:03 PM

Greetings Brothers & Sisters.

This thread is to discuss what people think everyone should begin considering to store in the event that the world civilisation grinds to a halt and breaks down.

The main ones are obviously food & water, but what sorts? Canned foods are the obvious choice due to their shelf life.

Also what else? How about shelter? tools? So throw in you ideas, and debate their applications. Maybe it could help those planning such things and didnt think of something

David · 09-11-2008, 05:15 PM

Check out this site.

http://www.woodfolks.com/primary.htm

robyn · 09-12-2008, 03:49 AM

I found this awhile back...

100 Items To Disappear
First In A Panic

By Joseph Almond
5-21-6
#1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy.. target of thieves; maintenance, etc.)
#2. Water Filters/Purifiers (Shipping delays increasing.)
#3. Portable Toilets (Increasing in price every two months.)
#4. Seasoned Firewood (About $100 per cord; wood takes 6 - 12 mos. to become dried, for home uses.)
#5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)
#6. Coleman Fuel (URGENT $2.69-$3.99/gal. Impossible to stockpile too much.)
#7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots
#8. Hand-Can openers & hand egg beaters, whisks (Life savers!)
#9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugars
#10. Rice - Beans - Wheat (White rice is now $12.95
- 50# bag. Sam's Club, stock depleted often.)
#11. Vegetable oil (for cooking) (Without it food burns/must be boiled, etc.)
#12. Charcoal & Lighter fluid (Will become scarce suddenly.)
#13. Water containers (Urgent Item to obtain. An size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY)
#14. Mini Heater head (Propane) (Without this item, propane won't heat a room.)
#15. Grain Grinder (Non-electric)
#16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur by September, 1999.)
#17. Michael Hyatt's Y2K Survival Guide (BEST single y2k handbook for sound advice/tips.)
#18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)
#19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula/ointments/aspirin, etc
#20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
#21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
#22. Vitamins (Critical, due 10 Y2K-forced daily canned food diets.)
#23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item.)
#24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products
#25. Thermal underwear (Tops and bottoms)
#26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets & Wedges (also, honing oil)
#27. Aluminum foil Reg. & Hvy. Duty (Great Cooking & Barter item)
#28. Gasoline containers (Plastic or Metal)
#29. Garbage bags (Impossible to have too many.)
#30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, paper towels
#31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake liquid every 3 to 4 months.)
#32. Garden seeds (Non-hybrid) (A MUST)
#33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
#34. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit: 1(800) 835-3278
#35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
#36. Fire extinguishers (or.. large box of Baking soda in every room...)
#37. First aid kits
#38. Batteries (all sizes... buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)
#39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
#40. BIG DOGS (and plenty of dog food)
#41. Flour, yeast & salt
#42. Matches (3 box/$1 .44 at WalMart: "Strike Anywhere" preferred. Boxed, wooden matches will go first.)
#43. Writing paper/pads/pencils/solar calculators
#44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime)
#45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
#46. Flashlights/LIGIITSTICKS & torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns
#47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (Jot down ideas, feelings, experiences: Historic times!)
#48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water transporting - if with wheels)
#49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc
#50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)
#51. Fishing supplies/tools
#52. Mosquito coils/repellent sprays/creams
#53. Duct tape
#54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
#55. Candles
#56. Laundry detergent (Liquid)
#57. Backpacks & Duffle bags
#58. Garden tools & supplies
#59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
#60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.
#61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)
#62. Canning supplies (Jars/lids/wax)
#63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
#64. Bicycles... Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc.
#65. Sleeping bags & blankets/pillows/mats
#66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
#67. Board Games Cards, Dice
#68. d-Con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
#69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
#70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks...)
#71. Baby Wipes, diapers, tampons, oils, waterless & Anti-bacterial soap (saves a lot of water)
#72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.
#73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)
#74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
#75. Soysauce, vinegar, boullions/gravy/soup base
#76. Reading glasses
#77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
#78. "Survival-in-a-Can"
#79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
#80. BSA - New 1998 - US Boy Scout Handbook (also, Leader's Catalog)
#81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)
#82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
#83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
#84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)
#85. Lumber (all types)
#86. Wagons & carts (for transport to & from open Flea markets)
#87. Cots & Inflatable mattresses (for extra guests)
#88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.
#89. Lantern Hangers
#90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws, nuts & bolts
#91. Teas
#92. Coffee
#93. Cigarettes/tobacco (for trading and killing bugs)
#94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc.)
#95. Paraffin wax
#96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.
#97. Chewing gum/candies
#98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)
#99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs
#100. Goats/chickens

robyn · 09-12-2008, 03:56 AM

And this...

A $3 Water Purifier That Could Save Lives
By Donald G. McNeil Jr.
The New York Times
Tuesday 10 October 2006
In very poor countries, the family that has to walk miles to fetch drinking water from a well or a stream may be the lucky one. In many villages, the water source is a filthy pond trod by animals and people, or a mud puddle out next to the yam field.
As a result, about 6,000 people a day - most of them children - die from water-borne diseases.
Vestergaard Frandsen, a Danish textile company that supplies water filters to the Carter Center guinea worm eradication program and mosquito-killing plastic tarps to refugee camps, has come up with a new invention meant to render dangerous water drinkable.
The invention is called Lifestraw, a plastic tube with seven filters: graduated meshes with holes as fine as 6 microns (a human hair is 50 to 100 microns), followed by resin impregnated with iodine and another of activated carbon. It can be worn around the neck and lasts a year.
Lifestraw isn't perfect, but it filters out at least 99.99 percent of many parasites and bacteria, the demons in most fatal cases of diarrhea.
It is less effective against viruses, which are much smaller and cause diseases like polio and hepatitis, and it wouldn't protect American backpackers against the parasite giardia.
Nor does it filter out metals like arsenic, and it has a slight iodine aftertaste (not necessarily a bad thing in the large stretches of the globe with iodine deficiency).
It can be manufactured for about $3, but it needs more field-testing. Only about 100,000 have been handed out, 70,000 to earthquake victims in Kashmir last year.
Already in the works, however, is a Lifestraw toddler version - which will be squeezable.
-------

"God and I are like to fat people in a small boat, we keep bumping into each other and laughing." ~ Rumi

robyn · 09-12-2008, 04:03 AM

This website discusses MMS, which was mentioned in a discussion between Michael St Clair, Henry Deacon, Bill and Kerry.

It calls it the overnight cure for cancer but actually takes a few days. I've researched the product for almost a year and I think they may be on to something. It would also be very helpful for things like viruses and infections. This method uses the MMS on the skin with DMSO as the MMS is hard on the stomach but seems to be easily and gently absorbed thru the skin. All 4 products used in this are very low cost, I purchased MMS on ebay for about half the price as the websites that sell it.

http://www.new-cancer-treatments.org/Cancer/OCC.html

robyn · 09-12-2008, 04:14 AM

Last but not least, a toilet that's cheap and easy. Waste goes into a compost pile. It's all in the book or I have a trimmed down MS Word copy. If anyone wants me to send, just email me. The book is thorough and the website weblife.org may still have all the info, the whole book, online. read it all then trim it down to the most essential info.

This is the lowest cost, most usable one I have ever found. Every other composting toilet has a lot of drawbacks such as smell, size, work and high cost. In the US it will cost less than $25. You need only a few 5 Gal paint type buckets, a toilet seat and a pile of wood shavings or sawdust. The wasdust will help the waste compost. The author has had the resulting compost tested several times and it's quite safe. No nasty organisms, even in winter.

http://weblife.org/humanure/chapter8_2.html

www.jenkinspublishing.com/sawdustoilet.html

Happy composting!

09-10-2008, 05:03 PM	#1
RevyUK Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Birmingham UK Posts: 24	Discussion : Ideas for Pre-emptive Supply Storage Greetings Brothers & Sisters. This thread is to discuss what people think everyone should begin considering to store in the event that the world civilisation grinds to a halt and breaks down. The main ones are obviously food & water, but what sorts? Canned foods are the obvious choice due to their shelf life. Also what else? How about shelter? tools? So throw in you ideas, and debate their applications. Maybe it could help those planning such things and didnt think of something

09-11-2008, 05:15 PM	#2
David Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 398	Re: Discussion : Ideas for Pre-emptive Supply Storage Check out this site. http://www.woodfolks.com/primary.htm

09-12-2008, 03:49 AM	#3
robyn Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Rim of the World, California Posts: 58	Re: Discussion : Ideas for Pre-emptive Supply Storage I found this awhile back... 100 Items To Disappear First In A Panic By Joseph Almond 5-21-6 #1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy.. target of thieves; maintenance, etc.) #2. Water Filters/Purifiers (Shipping delays increasing.) #3. Portable Toilets (Increasing in price every two months.) #4. Seasoned Firewood (About $100 per cord; wood takes 6 - 12 mos. to become dried, for home uses.) #5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!) #6. Coleman Fuel (URGENT $2.69-$3.99/gal. Impossible to stockpile too much.) #7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots #8. Hand-Can openers & hand egg beaters, whisks (Life savers!) #9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugars #10. Rice - Beans - Wheat (White rice is now $12.95 - 50# bag. Sam's Club, stock depleted often.) #11. Vegetable oil (for cooking) (Without it food burns/must be boiled, etc.) #12. Charcoal & Lighter fluid (Will become scarce suddenly.) #13. Water containers (Urgent Item to obtain. An size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY) #14. Mini Heater head (Propane) (Without this item, propane won't heat a room.) #15. Grain Grinder (Non-electric) #16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur by September, 1999.) #17. Michael Hyatt's Y2K Survival Guide (BEST single y2k handbook for sound advice/tips.) #18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.) #19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula/ointments/aspirin, etc #20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry) #21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene) #22. Vitamins (Critical, due 10 Y2K-forced daily canned food diets.) #23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item.) #24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products #25. Thermal underwear (Tops and bottoms) #26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets & Wedges (also, honing oil) #27. Aluminum foil Reg. & Hvy. Duty (Great Cooking & Barter item) #28. Gasoline containers (Plastic or Metal) #29. Garbage bags (Impossible to have too many.) #30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, paper towels #31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake liquid every 3 to 4 months.) #32. Garden seeds (Non-hybrid) (A MUST) #33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST) #34. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit: 1(800) 835-3278 #35. Tuna Fish (in oil) #36. Fire extinguishers (or.. large box of Baking soda in every room...) #37. First aid kits #38. Batteries (all sizes... buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates) #39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies #40. BIG DOGS (and plenty of dog food) #41. Flour, yeast & salt #42. Matches (3 box/$1 .44 at WalMart: "Strike Anywhere" preferred. Boxed, wooden matches will go first.) #43. Writing paper/pads/pencils/solar calculators #44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime) #45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts #46. Flashlights/LIGIITSTICKS & torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns #47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (Jot down ideas, feelings, experiences: Historic times!) #48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water transporting - if with wheels) #49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc #50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient) #51. Fishing supplies/tools #52. Mosquito coils/repellent sprays/creams #53. Duct tape #54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes #55. Candles #56. Laundry detergent (Liquid) #57. Backpacks & Duffle bags #58. Garden tools & supplies #59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies #60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc. #61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite) #62. Canning supplies (Jars/lids/wax) #63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel #64. Bicycles... Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc. #65. Sleeping bags & blankets/pillows/mats #66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered) #67. Board Games Cards, Dice #68. d-Con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer #69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets #70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks...) #71. Baby Wipes, diapers, tampons, oils, waterless & Anti-bacterial soap (saves a lot of water) #72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc. #73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave) #74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels) #75. Soysauce, vinegar, boullions/gravy/soup base #76. Reading glasses #77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers) #78. "Survival-in-a-Can" #79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens #80. BSA - New 1998 - US Boy Scout Handbook (also, Leader's Catalog) #81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO) #82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky #83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts #84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras) #85. Lumber (all types) #86. Wagons & carts (for transport to & from open Flea markets) #87. Cots & Inflatable mattresses (for extra guests) #88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc. #89. Lantern Hangers #90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws, nuts & bolts #91. Teas #92. Coffee #93. Cigarettes/tobacco (for trading and killing bugs) #94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc.) #95. Paraffin wax #96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc. #97. Chewing gum/candies #98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing) #99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs #100. Goats/chickens

09-12-2008, 03:56 AM	#4
robyn Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Rim of the World, California Posts: 58	Re: Discussion : Ideas for Pre-emptive Supply Storage And this... A $3 Water Purifier That Could Save Lives By Donald G. McNeil Jr. The New York Times Tuesday 10 October 2006 In very poor countries, the family that has to walk miles to fetch drinking water from a well or a stream may be the lucky one. In many villages, the water source is a filthy pond trod by animals and people, or a mud puddle out next to the yam field. As a result, about 6,000 people a day - most of them children - die from water-borne diseases. Vestergaard Frandsen, a Danish textile company that supplies water filters to the Carter Center guinea worm eradication program and mosquito-killing plastic tarps to refugee camps, has come up with a new invention meant to render dangerous water drinkable. The invention is called Lifestraw, a plastic tube with seven filters: graduated meshes with holes as fine as 6 microns (a human hair is 50 to 100 microns), followed by resin impregnated with iodine and another of activated carbon. It can be worn around the neck and lasts a year. Lifestraw isn't perfect, but it filters out at least 99.99 percent of many parasites and bacteria, the demons in most fatal cases of diarrhea. It is less effective against viruses, which are much smaller and cause diseases like polio and hepatitis, and it wouldn't protect American backpackers against the parasite giardia. Nor does it filter out metals like arsenic, and it has a slight iodine aftertaste (not necessarily a bad thing in the large stretches of the globe with iodine deficiency). It can be manufactured for about $3, but it needs more field-testing. Only about 100,000 have been handed out, 70,000 to earthquake victims in Kashmir last year. Already in the works, however, is a Lifestraw toddler version - which will be squeezable. ------- "God and I are like to fat people in a small boat, we keep bumping into each other and laughing." ~ Rumi

09-12-2008, 04:03 AM	#5
robyn Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Rim of the World, California Posts: 58	Re: Discussion : Ideas for Pre-emptive Supply Storage This website discusses MMS, which was mentioned in a discussion between Michael St Clair, Henry Deacon, Bill and Kerry. It calls it the overnight cure for cancer but actually takes a few days. I've researched the product for almost a year and I think they may be on to something. It would also be very helpful for things like viruses and infections. This method uses the MMS on the skin with DMSO as the MMS is hard on the stomach but seems to be easily and gently absorbed thru the skin. All 4 products used in this are very low cost, I purchased MMS on ebay for about half the price as the websites that sell it. http://www.new-cancer-treatments.org/Cancer/OCC.html

09-12-2008, 04:14 AM	#6
robyn Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Rim of the World, California Posts: 58	Re: Discussion : Ideas for Pre-emptive Supply Storage Last but not least, a toilet that's cheap and easy. Waste goes into a compost pile. It's all in the book or I have a trimmed down MS Word copy. If anyone wants me to send, just email me. The book is thorough and the website weblife.org may still have all the info, the whole book, online. read it all then trim it down to the most essential info. This is the lowest cost, most usable one I have ever found. Every other composting toilet has a lot of drawbacks such as smell, size, work and high cost. In the US it will cost less than $25. You need only a few 5 Gal paint type buckets, a toilet seat and a pile of wood shavings or sawdust. The wasdust will help the waste compost. The author has had the resulting compost tested several times and it's quite safe. No nasty organisms, even in winter. http://weblife.org/humanure/chapter8_2.html www.jenkinspublishing.com/sawdustoilet.html Happy composting!