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Old 10-16-2008, 05:37 PM   #76
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Yeah, this was a pretty disgusting interview if you can call it an interview. It reminded me more of a Bill O'Reilly scapegoat denouncing session that Fox/Fix news loves to broadcast. Remember those? They were pretty prevalent during the Iraq war which was aimed at silencing any political discontent at that time.

I hope that Alex Jones surfs this forum from time to time and finds out that people can see right through his envious tirades. I sure as hell could.

Mr.Jones is human to his credit and we all have our envy on some level as this appears to be a result of. I just hope he can learn from this emotional mistake that he just made. One that might just scare many other whistle blowers away from his show interviews from now on. But then again, the O'Reilly show never seemed to have a shortage of sacrificial lambs now did it?

In any event I won't stop listening to his interviews even though I've lost a lot of respect for him after listening to all 4 parts of this. To discount him out of hand now, though tempting would exclude myself from some of his less biased interviews that he is capable of holding from time to time. I don't know about him being a misinformation agent as some claim but I will be much more suspicious of him now.
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Old 10-16-2008, 05:38 PM   #77
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The profit motive is neither good nor bad. It can be applied either way depending on social and political factors. The desire for profit is merely the desire to be compensated for our labor, our creativity, our knowledge, or even for our risk. Without profit, very little would be accomplished in the world -

Griffin makes excellent points about the distinction between political collectivism and economic collectivism. I wished his mind had been as well illuminated on the raw issue of the 'profit motive'. ( in the selection I've made above).

I'm sure I dissagree with him about this but I'm having great difficulty getting my head around WHY I dissagree. I'd be glad if others here could grab this issue and open it up a bit.

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Old 10-16-2008, 05:54 PM   #78
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After listening to Alex's interview with Peter Joseph, I can honestly say I am no longer listening to Alex. I used to find funny when Alex exploded on the air, as I knew it was his passion. However, this interview was conducted in the most immature, ignorant and rude manner.

Although I agree in some of the things Alex was saying, the way in which he was delivering his message was arrogant and condescending. My hat's up to Peter Joseph who behaved (and contained himself) in the utmost professional manner.

Alex is throwing his career away and alienating people like me who used to listen to him. Yes, he sometimes exaggerates facts, but what we all experienced yesterday was the proverbial stroke that broke the camel's back. I haven't even finished listening because I really was embarrassed in the way he treated his guest. Honestly, it came across as jealousy. He kept saying "the second highest downloaded video of all times, after his video."

He didn't like to be cornered and, as the guest aptly stated "WWF attitude reingned." Alex sounded like a bully whose only defense mechanism was to belittle his "opponent". I honestly like both of the Zeitgeist movies and was very impressed with the hard work, research and dedication Peter Joseph put into it.

Lastly, and digressing a bit, whenever the name BILL COOPPER (RIP) is mentioned by Alex, he always demeans him. It seems that Alex has a superiority complex and his bully demeanor (although he claims others are bullies) is killing his career lately. His public outburst at a recent political convention was deplorable or apt for teenager; but not for someone who is trying to build a following. His message is being tarnished by this, and unless he changes this and gets down to earth and shows a bit of humility, there won't be any turning back.

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Old 10-16-2008, 06:52 PM   #79
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Griffin makes excellent points about the distinction between political collectivism and economic collectivism. I wished his mind had been as well illuminated on the raw issue of the 'profit motive'. ( in the selection I've made above).

I'm sure I dissagree with him about this but I'm having great difficulty getting my head around WHY I dissagree. I'd be glad if others here could grab this issue and open it up a bit.

norman.
My whole point that I don't think people are getting to in terms of competition and the whole "once money is gone and competition is gone we wont have any drive" is that once we get past the monetary system it's not like we won't be able to compete anymore, we can continue to compete like humans do, but no longer have to compete for survival. We can compete on other levels in regards to other things... Expanding ideas and knowledge... competing for understanding... and eventually unifying understanding... which we are in the process of... or whatever it may be once we step past the initial game of survival... Maybe move to survival on a larger universal inter-dimensional scale, who knows.

Peter makes this point but doesn't spell it out enough for people to grasp easy enough... and this is the main point that Alex has a problem grasping. Alex holds on to the competition for money to survive. I know we need to compete to survive, but as we progress it should get easier, with technology. I don't blame Alex, like all of us, he is learning and evolving and I think whatever happens from this, I just pray Alex doesn't get too caught up into it, I hope he doesn't drive himself crazy and work against the movement by "microscoping" into everything too much... Although in terms of the leaders of these things being occultist socialst hardcore religious guys who want to take over things, or WHATEVER it is... Whatever comes of all this will be positive to the development of the essential understanding we are moving towards.

All of this stuff is extremely complicated to think about the more you get into it because it is infinitely complex when you get down to it, and things like the NWO and the things they push create paradoxes that are hard for a lot of us to hurdle over... like the idea that we need to unify as humanity to create a fair world for the people, exactly what the new world order wants (maybe not in the details but the same idea of unifying the world to create a new world order) ... some people get caught on one side of the game and forget that there is another side to the same equation essential to the balance of things.

I see the negative polarity kinetic energy shrinking while the positive potential energy is constantly growing, simply enough, and cant wait to see some balance. I need some sleep, it's nice to see whats going on but it's so much to intellectualize over... Hopefully we can soon come to a point in the public arena where we all are ready to unify, i'm definitely ready for it.

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Old 10-16-2008, 07:11 PM   #80
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Alex Jones needs to have his mother change his diaper before shows from now on. He's probably not an agent, he's just such an idiot that he is no threat.
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Old 10-16-2008, 07:15 PM   #81
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whats your take on this guys? http://www.spirituallysmart.com/Jones-CIA.htm
Also on the side note if you didn't see the symbolism used in the sequel...you need to re-open your eyes and PAY ATTENTION. I saw the hands cupped together to form a triangle DIRECTLY UNDER THE SUN. That in my book raises flags that there is something going on in this movie.
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Old 10-16-2008, 07:17 PM   #82
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Alex Jones hates Zeitgeist because it threatens to educate people and free them into a hopeful future and promising future where human beings are above the base sort of activity and thinking that makes a man like Alex jones successful and appealing.

His sole purpose is to foment violent revolution. He always says how he's trying to "get everybody MAD! ANGRY! GET OUT THERE AND DO SOMETHING!!"

He appeals to the lowest common denominator in the disaffected and disgruntled. He actually USES hitler tactics and body movements. He STUDIED how he moved people with passionate speech and body language.

He is either:
1. paid for by illuminists for them to be able to control their opposition that they so desperately need for this game to be pleasurable.

2. Puppetted by illuminists and lead to the conclusions he has espoused and quietly funded.

3. Possessed by reptilians or demons, or whatever the hell people think is possessing people these days, to foment revolution and thus entrain people into an easily recognizable expressivitivity (new word) so that they may be easily rounded up.

4. Really is an idiot and believes fighting and anger is the solution. what a tard. I mean really, who in their right mind would want to make people ANGRY!!! AARRGH!!

...I'll tell you

People with an AGENDA.

lets start a WAR...

hmm...who else likes starting wars?

the very people who make money, solidify power, and get their way by fomenting wars...

he is what he espouses to fight against.

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Old 10-16-2008, 07:19 PM   #83
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as stated before your a left wing muppet. you be new world order cannon fodder if you like.. we need personal sovereignty not another world system. get meditating "NEO" to stop those bullets coming your way..zeitgesit blah blah, he said some guy would have to be re educated. no thanks i like beijg who i am. personal sovereignty kids. we are all connected but we have free will also. some of zeitgeist is tosh.. he doesnt even beleive the new world order has power LOL the guy is fully deluded i hope he stays safe..
Are you alex jones?
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Old 10-16-2008, 07:58 PM   #84
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Are you alex jones?
no im not.. im a realist. the zeitgeist guy is a misguided do gooder with half the facts.. some of his stuff is ok in around about way. but he fails to realise his system will not be alowed to flourish unchecked by the world order. unless he himself is a new world order contolled opposition agent. its mostly mindless ***** that wont help .. zeitgeist is bunch of horse****
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Old 10-16-2008, 08:23 PM   #85
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no im not.. im a realist. the zeitgeist guy is a misguided do gooder with half the facts.. some of his stuff is ok in around about way. but he fails to realise his system will not be alowed to flourish unchecked by the world order. unless he himself is a new world order contolled opposition agent. its mostly mindless ***** that wont help .. zeitgeist is bunch of horse****
hey pineal. as a realist, wouldn't it be appropriate to read and watch all the material before spouting off purely subjective criticism. i haven't read one of your negative posts that maintains an objective critique. you should go to the web site (thezeitgeistmovement.com), understand their position, and then put forth your objective argument against it. positioning the ptb into an absolutist preventative measure, inherently prevents against any solution. and if that is your position, then why even be a part of project avalon? we welcome critique, but at least make it objective.
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Old 10-16-2008, 08:30 PM   #86
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zeitgeist is bunch of horse****
Despite the fact that Alex himself says he agrees with 90% of what Peter said...okay fine. Don't think you're not just reflecting the same kind fight mode of thinking (as in "fight or flight") kind of response that is fear-based to opposition of your opinion just like Alex did/does. It doesn't help to further anyone's cause and definitely isn't an indication of an open mind at all. In fact that would be the ultimate hypocrisy for someone who is supposed to be aligned against that fear mongering, hate breeding, manipulative mode of functioning associated with the "NWO" or "Illuminati". Like using anger & fear to express their views and impose their beliefs on others.

We know Alex means well, but seriously, he's going to give himself health problems if he doesn't learn to let go of his anger. He'll find he'll be more effective at his job communicating with others and will probably feel better too. That doesn't mean forget anything, that means just letting go the "grudge" that he seems to bear needlessly.
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Old 10-16-2008, 08:50 PM   #87
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"WE" dont know Alex means well, not at all, and he already has health problems. The man is a case of walking adrenal burnout.
Alex hates creative solutions, it really rattles him.
What may have started out with good intentions has run amok.

How does Alex make you feel? He packs a mean punch, and is disempowering.
Not to say that he isn't right about some or even many of his facts, but why foment panic?
I am all for looking at the dark side, but in a calm detached and rational matter, so we CAN find solutions. Not run around in a panic.
Wow he's aggressive.
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Old 10-16-2008, 09:37 PM   #88
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Both have their points...the problem is that their egos got in the way. The ego is the problem/key to all of this. The rest is fluff.

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Old 10-16-2008, 10:07 PM   #89
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Here is a vid exposing Fear mongering Alex Jones By none other than William Cooper : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAgTFWglHrc If you still follow Alex and his "whole truth movement" then you might wanna recheck your facts and recheck the people you follow.
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Old 10-16-2008, 10:20 PM   #90
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Alex Jones is a hot head, it's unfortunate he is this way, it's just the way he is.

We should not discredit Alex as he does good work, has exposed a lot and generally has good intention.

If one listens to this interview carefully ...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0XVnhh6Yqec

I deduce Alex and Peter Joseph were talking largely about two different things (ignoring Alex's childish play-ups).

Alex appears to mostly focus on the transition ... from the world how it is now to this "new world".

Alex did riase a good point though ... is our nature genetically linked (as in the aggressive cow/cattle breed example) or is it due to our environment / our conditioning (Peter's view).

If our nature is linked to genetics the "new world" according to Peter may not be possible.

Peter was largely talking about the end state of the new world, and one must admit it does sound good.

I guess the devil is in the detail, if we could do the transition, would the "new world", as presented by Zeitgeist Addendum, stand the test of time.

I believe a lot more discussion is required around the transition and the end game.

Heightened consciousness is a good start but many more issues need to be thought through.

I do however feel, we as a race, for the most of us, I do not know if we are ready for this "new world" yet.
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Old 10-16-2008, 10:21 PM   #91
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call me insane, but i cant understand a purely spiritual position attempting to ameliorate OUR shared reality. i'm all for individual spiritual enlightenment, but the reality of our conditions are at present experienced in the material world. it would seem to follow that a material attempt at amelioration would at least be combined with individual spiritual enlightenment. and why do all the zeitgeist negativists continue to misrepresent the zeitgeist position. it is NOT utopian, communistic, socialist, or strictly materialist. if the zeitgeist negativists dont understand what zeitgeist is not, then they obviously dont understand what it is.
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Old 10-16-2008, 10:30 PM   #92
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no he isnt and your wrong and zietgeist is ********.. hope you have fun talking to the new world order and stopping them torturing you to death. love is more like the american indian native warrior kind. not kissing and hugging. love for your fellow man and protect them.
If i give you a crowbar do you think you could manage to pry yourself out of Alex Jones colon?
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Alex Jones is a hot head, it's unfortunate he is this way, it's just the way he is.

We should not discredit Alex as he does good work, has exposed a lot and generally has good intention.

If one listens to this interview carefully ...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0XVnhh6Yqec

I deduce Alex and Peter Joseph were talking largely about two different things (ignoring Alex's childish play-ups).

Alex appears to mostly focus on the transition ... from the world how it is now to this "new world".

Alex did riase a good point though ... is our nature genetically linked (as in the aggressive cow/cattle breed example) or is it due to our environment / our conditioning (Peter's view).

If our nature is linked to genetics the "new world" according to Peter may not be possible.

Peter was largely talking about the end state of the new world, and one must admit it does sound good.

I guess the devil is in the detail, if we could do the transition, would the "new world", as presented by Zeitgeist Addendum, stand the test of time.

I believe a lot more discussion is required around the transition and the end game.

Heightened consciousness is a good start but many more issues need to be thought through.

I do however feel, we as a race, for the most of us, I do not know if we are ready for this "new world" yet.
hi pleiadian. i think your somewhat off on the zeitgeist position. they clearly state on their website (thezeitgeistmovement.com) that their position is not and end solution, rather a means towards improving our world. again, not utopian in nature, but ameliorative. peace.
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Old 10-16-2008, 10:32 PM   #94
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it's because alex is meant (either paid, puppeted, or possesed) to be a provacateur for revolution not a real advocate for true progress. remember illuminati like to control both sides so they can control outcome.

Ya shur they told us they would infiltrate all revolutions and control them. They were pretty clear on that one. In defence of Alex though, I think he still views the world as nations and borders. There are none. Also, he doesnt seem to see beyond a world without money and may be conditioned to think: resource based society = Communism. He also ranted on about loosing your land amongst other things. I think one of the fundamental things we need to get our heads around is: WE DONT OWN THIS PLANET. We are guests here and the planet is the only thing that keeps all alive and typing on our little forums. We OWE Earth, we dont OWN it. What needs to happen, as far as I can see is a complete overhaul in human consiousness. As sick as this will sound, maybe we do need tribulation or two. No pain, No gain.

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no im not.. im a realist. the zeitgeist guy is a misguided do gooder with half the facts.. some of his stuff is ok in around about way. but he fails to realise his system will not be alowed to flourish unchecked by the world order. unless he himself is a new world order contolled opposition agent. its mostly mindless ***** that wont help .. zeitgeist is bunch of horse****
Push over there realist, this world needs idealists right now.

If you havent noticed ; over 30,000 veterans of war are dying every week, and thats just americans.

Now, let us just clarify that this is just people from an extremely advanced and technologically defended fighting brigade, can you imagine how many die from the bullets that came from these veterns guns..

Use your imagination.

We have lost MILLIONS from a man made disease called 'aids' and that was put into reality by you realists.

We've had enough of you 'realists'- (gob****es without an imagination), its time for idealists, so either lead follow or get out of the way. We people have had enough of you 'realists' its OUR world, and we will idealise it into existance, or die trying.

Alex jones is a fear mongering Agent whos only purpose is to provoke a violent revolution from the american people. And i wonder what would happen then!? Please, im 21 and i figured this out the moment alex opened his fat loud mouth.
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if peters (and others) vision were realized alex would be out of a job.
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if peters (and others) vision were realized alex would be out of a job.
ohh and we wouldnt want that now would we.. poor alex, how could he make a living if he couldnt continue instilling fear in other people
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project venus isn't something he is pushing to happen in order to "fight the power", it's a concept. He is trying to get the point over of what is it to be human? We have money, we have law, we have muder, we have mass media, control, consumerism, fashion and all those things distorting what we are capable of. We are slaves in this system and we don't realise that our way of thinking can evolve and transend from where we are now. Things can be much much different if we truly see what is controlling us. Alex couldn't comprehend this.
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If Joseph's world were realized, none of us would have a job. We would all join hands and play in fields of flowers...
There won't be a Revolution, and there won't be Josephonia. The only way anything is gonna work, is after mankind is pushed so far into a corner that instinctivly it lashes out at it's master and then decides to take action. With out a "major" push, I don't see us (mankind) making many strides toward the light...
That is not to say that individuals are not doing great and positive things, just not collectively.
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If Joseph's world were realized, none of us would have a job. We would all join hands and play in fields of flowers...
There won't be a Revolution, and there won't be Josephonia. The only way anything is gonna work, is after mankind is pushed so far into a corner that instinctivly it lashes out at it's master and then decides to take action. With out a "major" push, I don't see us (mankind) making many strides toward the light...
That is not to say that individuals are not doing great and positive things, just not collectively.
strides toward the light? How is being bullied into doing things helping you move toward the light? Money doesn't have to exist in order for us to progress, if money didnt exist we wouldn't simply lie in a field and hold hands, our purpose and drive would be for inner and outer exploration and knowledge of the universe. If someone decides to become a scientist, they would and they would do it for free because everything is free, and the purpose and drive would be to help man kind progress and expand their consciousness by finding answers. We need to completely adjust our way of thinking because our minds have been corrupted beyond recognition to the point that we are unable to let go of money.
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