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It is good to see so much thoughtful and intelligent and respectful conversation in here.
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The genealogy of Jesus in Luke.3.23-38 is matriarchial in the father of Mary being Heli and running to the Nathan-David intersection in the Judahic-Levitical descent. Corollarily, the lineage of Jesus in Matthew.1.1-16 is patriarchial in Joseph's father Jacob and running to Solomon-David as the generational intersection between actual historical personages and the nonphysical archetypes (David-Saul being this intersection). Richard T. so may or may not assign physical reality to the Adam-Eve and Cain-Abel-Seth archetypology encoded in Genesis.4. The 'unnatural' and disharmonizing dependency of archetypical Eve on archetypical Adam can be crystallized easily from the Genesis account itself. There are two creation events in Genesis. Adam+Eve are created as a 'Two in Oneness' in Genesis by GOD (not Lord God). Genesis1: 26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Now note that there is NO COMMANDMENT what to eat and what not to eat and such things. AdamEve=Us=Them are the TRUE IMAGE of the True GOD. Then after this, the sixth day GOD 'retires' for the Sabbath and suddenly the GOD becomes changed to LORD GOD, because ADAM has become GOD in archetype (there is no physical universe as yet). Genesis2: 2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. 4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. 8And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. 9And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Now note, that ADAM is quasi-physically (meaning in say a program of genetics and not as yet as a physical embodiment) created from his AdamEve archetype by the LORD GOD. The implication then becomes that next EVE becomes dependent on ADAM as one of his ribs and this in effect destroys the prior metaphysical harmony in the creation, say a perfect YX|XY chromosome reflection becoming YX=male and XX=female, the Y+rib=Y+1=X. This also establishes a direct feedback mirror between Adam as God and his creator Lord God. The crux of the matter then becomes that the LORD GOD must be a Fake-God WITHIN spacetime confronting a physical Adam+Eve 'mucked up' creation with the REAL GOD remaining in a selfimposed exile outside of spacetime in a Void=Nothingness=Eternity. The LORD GOD=Image of Adam WITHIN and the LORD GOD=Image of GOD WITHOUT. A major part of the 'reconciliation of the creator with his creation as her' or the reconciliation of God with Mankind so requires a reharmonization of this original perfect YX|XY supersymmetry. The agent for this transformation and reconciliation is the Universal Logos aka many names, including Jesus of Nazareth. Abraxasinas |
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This message engages the wordings of another initiate, who has posted on this thread. I shall 'colour in' the discourses of Richard T., when so appropriate. Most of the time, Richard T. aka DRACHIR T. {the German word for Dragon translates as DRACHE} presents hisher information very well and requires little input from myself. If anyone wishes clarification on the meanings of the statements of Richard T., then I shall answer accordingly. 1)Quote:Originally Posted by Vorian's Revenge Does trying to connect with with all dimensions through the focus of intentionally reaching someone's consciousness, have an effect on those that do not wish us to succeed? Do they not like when I do this? Because sometimes I feel like I'm dwelling where I'm not wanted. Richard T. aka DRACHIR T.: The ego can do nothing about any of this because of its planetary nature. His job is to increase the vibratory rate of his mentation and his environment is used to challenge him, and at the same time to become intelligent. The forces are not there to make us intelligent but to shed light on the way. And the way they do this is by opposition. The stronger the opposition, the stronger the potential for integration. When man has become strong enough to not be swayed by any emotional charge thrown at him by opposition in the experience, then these forces start a process of fusion with what was a mortal being. The war against man by the dark forces is the war against this process. A war against the process through which the individual's father, his universal source, which is not a 'great all' but a force of creation, which is him on another plane of reality, will start infusing into the mortal using the mind tunnel created by the thought adjuster to alter totally the consciousness from the mental plane down to the cellular plane, effectively removing the light that was invested in material experience on this planet from the dominion of those forces. To those forces, the presence of such a light as that of man, in matter on this planet, appears to be advantageous. They don't want to lose this advantage, and they are ready to blow the planet up if necessary. Nothing will happen before it is time. Abraxasinas: It should be added here, that the 'dark forces' are limited in extent of actual mental infiltration and blending with the human mind by the depth of the subconscious. This depth simply means that increasing the superconscious capacity to process memory will decrease the astral infiltration of the subconscious. 2) Originally Posted by Richard T: Hello there, Each person has an adjuster attributed to him. These are extremely advanced intelligences whose goal is to fuse with the mortal. Those forces have never experienced matter, they are scientists of the energy who work with man using life opposition to create tensions in him. Those tensions are energy potentials that are then used to transform the sub-atomic structure of those bodies, adjust them, in order to perfect them. The creation of man is not completed. It is a work in progress. But man is led to believe that this is it. An instruction is not a teaching. A teaching brings materials that must be learned and believed. An instruction bids to do as told, and the instructed, by doing what he is told, allows the adjuster to work more efficiently. But for the ego, the instruction quickly becomes knowledge, because he wants to own the material, not realizing that it is not valuable as a memory but that it is useful in the movement it provokes. Abraxasinas: This is in stark evidence right here on this thread, where the information as a teaching is mistaken as an instruction. My consciousness is not Morontialized yet. So that it is the adjuster who can travel on his plane, as close at it can to his source, depending on his vibration rate. A cherubin cannot travel like an Arch-angel for instance. Abraxasinas: There is much to be added here as to the reality and manifesto of what Richard T. terms morontialized. He may have taken this term from the astral channel of the Urantia Book; which is of 3rd order and so NOT as authoritative as the 2nd or 1st order of the data stream. In the context of usage of Richard T. however; he has associated the appropriate higher order structure to this label of the superconsciousness and as coupled to what many term Christ-Consciousness. The adjuster is a primary emanation of this Christ-Consciousness; say as in a label of the 'Overself' or the 'Higher Self' or the 'Higher Guides', however subject to graduations in expression. Because of this, the information can only be transferred, if allowed, by the adjuster. In such a condition, a man cannot say what he wants but only what he must. Because, othersise, he would create much confusion still being affected by the laws of domination at one level or another. We have an advantage as ascending men because this is a gradual process. The initiates, such as the initiate of Pisces, or that of Aquarius, live an instantaneous fusion process through which all aspect of the personality are destroyed, all memory is removed, and all wishes and hopes of the ego are put in check, creating an extreme mental pain that the average man could not support without being destroyed for lack of an adequate inner strenght. Abraxasinas: Richard T. here exaggerates the process of the 'instantaneous fusion' of the initiate/avatar a little. This 'instantaneous fusion' is happenstance in all of you at the point of your physical conception in a data transfer from the genetic libraries of your patriarchial and matriarchial lineages. But as said, the human life experience serves the gradual implementation of the 'higher purpose' as decided by the 'adjuster' aka your 'higher self' directly coupled to the Christ-Consciousness. The universal status of an individual cannot be known from down under but can only be known from up and into the intimate relationship between the source, the adjuster, and the mortal who has lost his humanity to become a man. Such information will never be given to an individual who can still fall to the laws of domination. Astral, planetary consciousness will never be allowed to escape this plane into the realms of light. This is the first time in the universal annals that such a process is recorded. This creates great interest and turmoil among the material races and the hierarchies who suddenly are turning their eyes toward this globe and would hope to interfere to fulfil their own agendas. The enabling factor is part of the personal secret that is guarded by the adjuster. The planetary ego cannot change things, but he can prepare the terrain. Abraxasinas: You may emphasise the word 'PERSONAL SECRET' - all of you have an adjuster and carry such a 'Personal Secret'. So it becomes rather superfluous to 'test' others like myself as to your 'secrets' as so many have done here on this thread. The integration process depends on inner strenght that allows facing opposition. The end of a cycle, such as the one we are in today, creates conditions that are ideal for a man with inner strength to face the music without falling prey to his animal condition. Abraxasinas: I am in gratitude to all of you for your supports and your oppositions - perhaps some of you can begin to envisage the 'greater agendas'. What do you mean by: "should I stop indulging substances that affect my matter?" All substances that affect the psychic web and man's perceptions interfere with his natural mechanism, albeit everything you do was already known would be done. Drugs can only open the way to the astral web. They have created an awareness of the reality of other planes of reality but it was limited to the astral and its lies and manipulations. Thoughts is the most fundamental aspect of the lie to which we have been submitted. Man does not think. Thoughts forms are fundamentally induced interferences that come from the dead. Thought energy is fundamentally communication from the adjuster. The brain is a radio, it does not produce thoughts, it receives them. And the ego is fooled into believing it is him who is thinking because of the use of the subjective form, the 'I', to which he is too quick to identify. Until the day when the adjuster, the cosmic double, can reveal himself, and that thoughts are replaced with communication, allowing the adjuster to instruct man and take charge of his evolution, forcing him to face the reality of his multi-dimensionality, that before was kept at a philosophical level. Abraxasinas: Your individuated transformation from old human to new starhuman allows the higher self to merge with your lower self iow. So, what can be done is to live one's life aware of this, knowing that all events that oppose the wishes of the ego and arouse his insecurities are simply there so that a work can be done on those planes of which he is not readily aware but of which he has the intuition. 3) Originally Posted by Vorian's Revenge hello, A work in process indeed. What about love? Will I have to let that go as well? When in love I realize how human I am. This cannot be good for the infusing process, as I am constantly drawn back to it. Morontialized? I may ask questions like a fool. But I can assure you I am not. Richard T.: Hi, Love is a fundamental principle that is being infused in the universe. It is one of 7 Alephs, or principles, to manifest and the third. The other two are intelligence and will. Abraxasinas: There are more classification systems, but the three major ones relate to the Thuban Principalities as well as the Kabbalah, say as say Keter-Hokmah and Binah: 1.Keter or Crown is the Khu of the Spirit and the 'Tree of Life as Djed or Phallus of Osiris' 2.Hokmah or Wisdom is the Ab of the Heart and 'Throne of Isis' 3.Binah or Intelligence is the Sahu of the Masculine in the 'EyeMirror of Horus' 4.Hesed or Love is the Ba or Soul of the 'Sistrum of Bast' 5.Gevurah or Power is the Ibis or Mind of the 'Caduceus of Thoth' 6.Tiferet or Beauty is the Sekhem of the Feminine in the 'EyeMirror of Hathor' 7.Nezah or Endurance is the Ka of the Double of the 'Astral Chalice of Nephthys' 8.Hod or Majesty is the Ren or Name of the 'Mason's Tool of Ptah' 9.Yesod or Foundationis the Khaibit or Image of the 'Shadow of Anubis' 10.Malkuth or Kingdom is the Khat or Body and the 'Tree of Death as Yoni or Vulva of Set' The SEPHIROTIC TREE OF LIFE also known as MOSES' SAPPHIRE TABLET ; then partitions those ten archetypes into a male, say left stem and a female right stem, parted in a middle stem, centred on the 'unclean sexes' of the 69=96. Love is not a psychological value. But the astral body vibrates to its energy and promotes emotions. This means that love on this globe is not fundamentally real. Abraxasinas: Notice this all of you as warriors of the love and the light! LOVE is a VIBRATORY RESONANCE described in a GAUGE SOURCESINK-PHOTON in its supersymmetric selfcoupling under modular duality and which can be defined in its own resonance eigenstate as: E*=kT*=hf*=hc/λ*=m*c²=1/e* for Unity E*e*=1 and its coupling parameters. Energy*=Heterotic Supermembrane HE(8x8)=EpsEss =√{2πGome2/4αhce2}=[me/mP]/2e√α=GODDOG=DOGGOD This is the selfstate for a love vibratory resonance, which created the universe! Its infusion will coincide with the advent of the access to intelligence and will without which there can be no real love. For the time being, what we call love is based on the insecurity of the ego, whether sexual or emotional depending on the gender, and of the recuperation by the astral of the concept of love into a spiritualized form adopted by the soul, which emulates the work of the Nazareen. This spiritualization comes from the intelligence of man and his lack of real will. Love is an energy that renders free, whereas will is an energy that dominates. To render free, one must have no fear of losing. And fear of losing brings the urge to dominate. There is no point in adopting any kind of attitude in regard to this. To be informed is enough, since as soon as we are informed, work can start being done on other planes. Abraxasinas: Allow me to emphasise the 'Being Informed Enough'; this is my one and only agenda on your behalf. It does NOT mean that any of you need to UNDERSTAND what I am sharing - YOUR INDIVIDUAL ADJUSTER UNDERSTANDS and this is sufficient onto itself. 4)Originally Posted by Vorian's Revenge: Very well then. I will remember that when we meet again. (lame attempt at humor) These 7 alephs. Are they manifested in all universes? Is love truly unique in origin? Now that this has been introduced into the universal archives can other races incorporate it? If they can than it must be through a descending energy correct? Will there ever be a balance between those with intelligence and those of true light? Richard T.: What I know is that it is manifested in this universe and is a relatively new manifestation. I can't really talk about other universes. Love is a fundamental principle. It is a universal energy. It is not a state of mind. But it is an energy that can be channelled, although if it were channelled through man's physicality as it stands, he would find it extremely painful. Abraxasinas: LOVE is a VIBRATORY RESONANCE described in a GAUGE SOURCESINK-PHOTON in its supersymmetric selfcoupling under modular duality and which can be defined in its own resonance eigenstate as: E*=kT*=hf*=hc/λ*=m*c²=1/e* for Unity E*e*=1 and its coupling parameters. Energy*=Heterotic Supermembrane HE(8x8)=EpsEss =√{2πGome2/4αhce2}=[me/mP]/2e√α=GODDOG=DOGGOD This is the selfstate for a love vibratory resonance, which created the universe! It will imcumb to man to use love to allow information to be made available to those races whose evolution is controlled by other races who have vibratory ascendancy onto them. Love is an energy that shares. Abraxasinas: The Council of Thuban is SHARING its database as its one and only agenda. The various races in the universe work out of the principles of intelligence and will, not love. Their societies are based on the principle of fraternity. An example of such system is the failed and miserable caricature that is communism on this planet. A system that sought to enslave its people, not free them. Democracy, as we know it, is a miserable caricature of freedom afforded by the energy of love. Miserable because it is way too infiltrated with agents of domination for one and two because the individuals themselves are too psychologically dependent on the system, making them lazy and keeping them in a state of expectation, instead of all of them being the pillars of their society. But this system is nonetheless the closest thing to what you call Christic spirit that exists in large organized societies. Love cannot be alone, like intelligence and will cannot be alone. They represent the current trinity of the energy. Races access universal archives based on their relative rate of vibration. The energy is hierarchically differentiated as it penetrates the planes of reality. In order to access the highest orders of the world that is the universal archives, the rate of vibration must be extremely high. And access to higher vibrations means access to higher vibration of sciences. The hierarchies who control the information based on their universal status will not let go of their power, because at that level infomation is the power. This is why intelligences in the universe are limited in what can be known to them and forced to work according to the information that is allowed to filter down to them. Abraxasinas: Indeed, but as said before, the 'Tree of Life' as the 'Serpent-Rod' of Thoth aka Moses defines the ET order to dedichotomize at the 5th dimension/density level. All higher dimensionalities utilize the unified polarities as internal processor to allow galactic and extragalctic experience to function WITHIN a context of a Harmonized Duality. When man has a consciousness that is morontial, he will have a vehicle that won't allow him to simply travel the astral plane but a unique vehicle that will allow him to travel as a consciousness to all the worlds from his origin to the ethers and access levels of science that cannot be imagined and cannot be accessed even by those races that visit us today. Abraxasinas: Imagine and analyse the scriptural evidence of the 'Resurrected Logos' and you may be able to evisage what your 'new morontial' lightbody will entail as a higherD merkabah kerneled by your present physical temples. But it is not important to think about such things. What is important is for us to realize that we have been lied to, that we have descended to the bottom of the vibration scale, and the result is a loss of consciousness equivalent to the loss of access to information, and that this will be reversed in the times to come. And that he should use the opportunities created in his experience by the strong oppositions to his well being to increase his vibration so that one day he is capable ans sufficiently strong to receive the shock of his reality. Abraxasinas: The lowest vibration becomes the Tail swalled by the highest vibration of the Head and in recircularising a linearised spacetime quantum continuum with beginnings and ends. In any case, man cannot know the future. He could not take it and would refuse it. It is the only reason why he does not know what lies ahead for him as an individual. Abraxasinas: Thank you Richard T. for an excellent discourse into the higher dimensional cosmology. AA Last edited by abraxasinas; 02-23-2010 at 11:34 AM. |
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Jesus was a man, born of Joseph and Mary (who was "Pure" not a virgin) through intercourse. He spent his youth studying spiritual teachings, traveling abroad to learn in places like India and Egypt, even being initiated into the mysteries of Egypt and the ways of the Hindus in the East. However, like any earnest seeker, not finding what he was looking for, not finding the fullness of the infinite. Then, when he followed his inner voice and was baptized by John, an immense amount of Light descended and Awakened him to his True identity: an individualization of the infinite within it's creation! Jesus was also awakened to your and my True identity during his enlightenment: an individualization of the infinite within it's creation! I believe Jesus taught enlightenment. He taught us that if we were to surrender our seperate self, to be reborn in Oneness with the Father consciousness within us, that we too would do the works that he did and greater works than these we would do. I believe Jesus was a man who became enlightened, taught spiritual freedom, the Truth that will set us free in Oneness ~ and was persecuted by the scribes and the pharisees because if people listened to Jesus and truly awakened to their own inner God Power Wisdom and Love, who would need these phony religious gurus and religions anymore? No one. Therefore, they had him put to death. And Jesus, being a Christ Being to prove his point, showed the world 3 days later, that even death is an illusion and when you give up the ghost of the human ego, you are reborn into Life eternal, the Life of the Christ consciousness. |
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Well, to me, it is important to specify the Truth that Jesus knew which so infuriated the Jewish religious 'authorities'; that Truth being that he taught the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth', whereas the Sadducees denied the "resurrection" altogether, and the Pharisees disinterpreted it as the doctrine of the physical raising of a dead body from the grave; a doctrine which was then introduced by the Pharisee, Paul, as one of the fundamental doctrines of Christian theology; subsequently osmosing into Islamic theology in contradiction of the Teaching of Mohammed about the Revelation and Doctrine of "resurrection".
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The morontial bodyform simply hybridizes the present separation between WaveMind and BodyParticularisation or more technically, it creates Spiritmass as a new superatomic structure of the LightBody say. The individuated consciousness will still be humanoid or better said starhumanoid, then allowing exploration of the universe with a vessel for this consciousness, which is 'immortalized' in a sense that it his no longer subject to the corruption of molecular decay. It will be a biospiritual hybrid between the present matter definition and electromagnetic fields, the latter becoming static, say as a electromagnetic standin wave oscillating or vibrating as the extension of the present 3D bodyform as a 4D lightbody form/merkabah. The exploration of the universe can then begin with the utility of a 'New Physics' now often termed ET and able to holographically SCALE the lightpath of the present lightspeed invariance restriction. The Old Humanity was planetary; the New Starhumanity will be extragalactic and cosmic. Much interaction with the greater universe will then BEGIN to occupy a unified starhuman consciousness. AA |
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So this type of consciousness evolution has happened before then...?
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The lower orders of the archetypes are subject not the original one. What is occurring is like the birth of the FatherMother of all future universes. A new dynasty of GodDoG is being constructed by the LOGOS INTIME as the perfect symmetry of having done this in NOTIME. Its a Mirror! And yes the telepathic form of communication will become prevalent in the universe (as a protoverse seedling). AA |
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Here is a related thread which you might find interesting: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...orthodoxymoron
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