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Old 06-21-2009, 09:46 PM   #151
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From a spiritual perspective...how many bodies does Earth need to provide temporary homes for the souls who need them? How many souls are there? Where do they come from? If the Georgia Guidestones target of 500,000,000 was achieved...where would all of the souls go who are currently in bodies here on Earth? Is the purpose of massive depopulation to make humans more manageable by non-humans? If this population target was reached...would total extermination be the next goal?

How about a moderate solution of responsible reproduction...with condoms and education...with the goal of a world population of 4 billion?
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Old 06-21-2009, 10:29 PM   #152
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From a spiritual perspective...how many bodies does Earth need to provide temporary homes for the souls who need them? How many souls are there? Where do they come from? If the Georgia Guidestones target of 500,000,000 was achieved...where would all of the souls go who are currently in bodies here on Earth? Is the purpose of massive depopulation to make humans more manageable by non-humans? If this population target was reached...would total extermination be the next goal?

How about a moderate solution of responsible reproduction...with condoms and education...with the goal of a world population of 4 billion?
Blessings orthodoxymoron and to All,

May I start by asking Firstly; How do you suggest we do this?!?!

You see, We still have 'Free Will'...

I don't think for a second - and I'm sure you don't either - that Human Beings all around the World are just having Children for the sake of it. It's born out of necessity, they need the extra hands to make end's meet and that outweighs having an extra mouth to feed.

As well as this, I'm sure they're more than aware of the many forms of contraception, I think We'd do them a great disservice to think otherwise...

I just can't fathom; Why some cannot see the obvious..? It'd take away the controlling aspect of all this and a 'Natural Balance' would occur.


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Love and Light to All,
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Old 06-21-2009, 11:44 PM   #153
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Ten reasons why population control is not an answer to climate change


By Simon Butler
June 1, 2009 -- Climate change is the greatest challenge humanity has ever faced. The scientific evidence of the scale of the threat is overwhelming, compelling and frightening. Climate tipping points -- points which if crossed will lead to runaway global warming -- are being crossed now.
We live in a time of consequences. So it’s crucial that the climate justice movement -- made up of those determined to take a stand now to win a safe climate future -- campaigns for the changes that can actually make a difference.
A discussion has surfaced about whether population-control measures should be a key plank in the climate action movement’s campaign arsenal. Below are 10 reasons why such a decision would hinder, rather than help, the necessary task of building a movement that can win.

1. Population does not cause climate change

Advocates of population control say that one of the most effective measures we can take to combat climate change is to sharply reduce the number of humans on the planet. This wrongly focuses on treating one symptom of an irrational, polluting system rather than dealing with the root causes.
People are not pollution. Blaming too many people for driving climate change is like blaming too many trees for causing bushfires.
The real cause of climate change is an economy locked into burning fossil fuels for energy and unsustainable agriculture. Unless we transform the economy and our society along sustainable lines as rapidly as possible, we have no hope of securing an inhabitable planet, regardless of population levels.
Population-based arguments fail to admit that population levels will impact on the environment in a very different way in a zero carbon emissions economy. Making the shift to renewable energy -- not reduction in human population -- is the most urgent task we face.

2. The world is not ‘full up’

The world is not experiencing runaway population growth. While population is growing, the rate of this growth is in fact slowing down. This is mostly due to rising urbanisation and marginal improvements in women’s access to birth control technology. The rate of population growth peaked at 2% annually in the 1960s, and has fallen consistently since then[1].
According to the United Nations the average number of children born per woman fell from 4.9 in the late 1960s to 2.7 in 1999[2]. A December 2008 assessment from the US Census Bureau predicts a steady decline to 0.5% annual population growth by 2050[3].
Between 1950 and 2000 world population increased by 140%. Experts predict a rise of 50% between 2000 and 2050 and just 11% in the 50 years following that.
In contrast, the rate of greenhouse gas emissions is rising out of control. Polluting technology, rampant consumerism and corporate greed are driving this increase -- not population.
Can we feed this many people? Studies by the UN’s Food and Agriculture Organisation insist it is possible to feed well over 10 billion people sustainably -- but only if we move to a very different food system. A diversified and organic farming system which produces a balanced mix of plant foods, along with small amounts of meat, could, according to British biologist Colin Tudge, sustain 10 billion people without farming any new areas[4]
A shift to sustainable farming is also desperately needed to cut greenhouse gas emissions.

3. Social justice and women’s equality is the best contraception

Larger population growth rates in the Third World are a consequence of dire poverty and restrictions on women’s ability to control their own fertility. The evidence for this can’t be challenged.
The latest UN population report released on March 12, 2009, predicts population will exceed 9 billion people by mid-century. Almost all of this growth will occur in the global South.
The 49 poorest countries in the world will have by far the biggest increases. In the richest countries, however, population will decline from 1.23 billion to 1.15 billion if projected net migration is left aside. (It will increase to only 1.28 billion including net migration.)[5]
Raising living standards globally, eradicating hunger and poverty, improving health care, providing access to education and achieving greater equality for women are all necessary if we are to win a safe climate with global justice. They will also result in lower birth rates.

4. The climate emergency demands immediate, transformative action now

Even if they could work in the long term -- a dubious proposition – population-control schemes are plainly inadequate as a response to the climate emergency.
The well-known Australian environmental writer Tim Flannery is also one of the patrons of Sustainable Population Australia -- a group that argues population reduction should be the number one priority to avert climate change.
Yet in a recent survey of the latest climate science in Quarterly Essay even Flannery had to conclude: “The truth is that if we wish to act morally, we can influence population numbers only slowly. So, while it’s important to focus on population decrease as a long-term solution, we cannot look to it for answers to the immediate crisis.”[6]

5. Population arguments wrongly downplay the potential to win

Left unchecked, climate change threatens life on the planet.
Recognition of this fact is the major impetus for the movement demanding that governments take serious action on climate change without delay.
Populationists, however, try to turn this fact on its head. Climate change will lead to a world so harsh, uncertain and polluted, the argument goes, that it’s more “humane” to prevent future generations from being born at all[7].
This “humane” population reduction argument is couched in terms of containing, or mitigating, the apparently inevitable effects of environmental destruction. Instead, the struggle for an alternative model of development, based on meeting the needs of people and planet, should be our main concern.

6. Population control is an old argument tacked onto a new issue


Climate change is just the latest in a long list of issues that has been seized on by advocates of population control.
For centuries, simplistic population theories have been advanced to explain the existence of poverty, hunger, famine, disease, war, racism and unemployment.
In each case, the real social and economic causes of these social ills have been glossed over. Time is running out to avert global warming -- we need to take serious action that tackles the problem at the root.

7. Arguing for tighter migration restrictions is a dangerous policy

Reducing immigration intake into Australia is the current policy on the anti-environmental Labor government[8]. As the climate crisis deepens, we can expect the government and the big polluters will want to divert attention from their own inaction. Migrants could be a convenient scapegoat. Migrants are already being falsely blamed for adding to unemployment. We can’t allow them to be blamed for corporate Australia’s addiction to fossil fuels.
Supporting cuts in migration avoids the real burning issue -- Australia is the highest emitter of greenhouse gases per capita in the world. Migrants who come here should be welcomed and invited into our movement for a safe climate. They are not responsible for the policies of past governments or the greed of the big polluters.

8. Population control has a disturbing history

In practice, there has never been a population-control scheme that has had acceptable environmental or humanitarian outcomes. Columbia University professor Matthew Connelly has thoroughly documented this disturbing history in his 2008 book, Fatal Misconception[9].
China’s one-child policy has been hailed as an environmental measure by prominent population theorists such as Britain’s Jonathan Poritt..[10] But he and others ignore that China’s population control has hardly solved that country’s growing environmental problems.
The human costs of the policy, however, are shocking. Until 2002 Chinese women were denied any choice of contraceptive method -- 37% of married women have been forcibly sterilised[11]. Female infanticide has reached epidemic proportions. The global ratio for male to female births is 106:100. In China today, male “births” outnumber females by 120:100[12].

9. People in the global South are part of the solution, not the problem


At its worst, population-control schemes put the blame for climate change on the poorest people in the global South -- those least responsible for the problem in the first place.
It’s a major mistake to see the masses of the global South as passive victims of climate change. In truth, they are the pivotal agent in the campaign to avert global warming.
We need a strategy of building stronger links and collaboration with movements for climate justice in the global South -- not draw up plans to reduce their numbers.

10. Who holds political power is the real `population’ issue

There is one part of the world’s population that poses a genuine threat: the small group of powerful, vested interests who profit most from polluting the biosphere and are desperately resisting change.
The real “population change” we need to focus on is not artificially reducing human numbers. Rather, it is about winning real democratic change, i.e. dramatically increasing the numbers of ordinary people who can participate in making decisions about investment in green industries, agriculture, global trade and military spending.
Population control narrowly looks only at the quantity of human beings to find a solution to climate change. Ultimately, its narrow vision makes it a divisive policy.
The climate action movement, however, is really concerned with improving the quality of human life.
On that basis we can build a movement of hope and solidarity strong enough to penetrate national borders and restore a safe climate for future generations.

http://links.org.au/node/1076

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Old 06-22-2009, 12:04 AM   #154
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Blessings orthodoxymoron and to All,

May I start by asking Firstly; How do you suggest we do this?!?!

You see, We still have 'Free Will'...

I don't think for a second - and I'm sure you don't either - that Human Beings all around the World are just having Children for the sake of it. It's born out of necessity, they need the extra hands to make end's meet and that outweighs having an extra mouth to feed.

As well as this, I'm sure they're more than aware of the many forms of contraception, I think We'd do them a great disservice to think otherwise...

I just can't fathom; Why some cannot see the obvious..? It'd take away the controlling aspect of all this and a 'Natural Balance' would occur.


Namaste,

Love and Light to All,
Trav.
Are you advocating no reproductive education and no birth control? What would be an ideal world population? 10 billion? 20 billion? 30 billion? How many is too many? How few is too few? Do you agree with the Pope regarding birth control? Do you prefer crowded cities?

I disagree with the Pope...and I agree with contraception and reproductive responsibility. 4 billion seems like a reasonable figure to me.
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Old 06-22-2009, 03:47 AM   #155
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There is an Island...

One of the world's most famous yet least visited archaeological sites, Easter Island is a small, hilly, now treeless island of volcanic origin. Located in the Pacific Ocean at 27 degrees south of the equator and some 2200 miles (3600 kilometers) off the coast of Chile, it is considered to be the world’s most remote inhabited island. Sixty-three square miles in size and with three extinct volcanoes (the tallest rising to 1674 feet), the island is, technically speaking, a single massive volcano rising over ten thousand feet from the Pacific Ocean floor. The oldest known traditional name of the island is Te Pito o Te Henua, meaning ‘The Center (or Navel) of the World.’

It is now recognized that the original inhabitants of Easter Island are of Polynesian stock (DNA extracts from skeletons have confirmed this), that they most probably came from the Marquesas or Society islands, and that they arrived as early as 318 AD (carbon dating of reeds from a grave confirms this). It is estimated that the original colonists, who may have been lost at sea, arrived in only a few canoes and numbered fewer than 100. At the time of their arrival, much of the island was forested, was teeming with land birds, and was perhaps the most productive breeding site for seabirds in the Polynesia region. Because of the plentiful bird, fish and plant food sources, the human population grew and gave rise to a rich religious and artistic culture.



WHERE DID ALL THE TREES GO? The history of Easter Island is rich and controversial. Its inhabitants have endured famines, epidemics, civil war, slave raids and colonialism, and the crash of their ecosystem; their population has declined precipitously more than once. In 1722 when Dutch navigator Jacob Roggeveen visited the island for a week and estimated there were 2,000 to 3,000 inhabitants on the island. The overall picture for Easter is the most extreme example of forest destruction in the Pacific, and among the most extreme in the world: the whole forest gone, and all of its tree species extinct.

There is an Island...

Floating there in Space, an Island called Earth



Today, there are 7.6-Billion Human Beings living there. The land-mass is only 30% of the globe, from which all must find food, living space, and resources.

Fires continue to rage in the Amazon, according to local reports.

John Cain Carter, a rancher who runs Aliança da Terra, an environmental accountability group for agricultural operators, says that the fires are the worst he has ever seen in the region.

"I have never seen fires this bad," he told mongabay.com. "The fires are even worse than in 1998´s El Niño event."

NASA satellite images released at the end of September confirm widespread burning in the Amazon state of Mato Grosso.

We are losing Earth's greatest biological treasures just as we are beginning to appreciate their true value. Rainforests once covered 14% of the earth's land surface; now they cover a mere 6% and experts estimate that the last remaining rainforests could be consumed in less than 40 years.
http://www.rain-tree.com/facts.htm

The Rainforests are the Lungs of Island Earth. Already the Oxygen percentage in the atmosphere is declining.

This destruction is so ranchers can graze more cattle, and so Oil companies can extract more oil, and the 'timber' is needed for the more and more people as the Global Over-Population continues unchecked.

Well, maybe you can see where this is leading?

That Island Earth will not "magically" grow larger to accommodate more people. Fresh resources will not drop from the sky like "manna from heaven."

The Need to LOGICALLY, RATIONALLY, HUMANELY control and reduce the Human population on Island Earth has become critical.

'Nuff said fur now. THINK.

THINK some more.

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The real “population change” we need to focus on is not artificially reducing human numbers. Rather, it is about winning real democratic change, i.e. dramatically increasing the numbers of ordinary people who can participate in making decisions about investment in green industries, agriculture, global trade and military spending.
Population control narrowly looks only at the quantity of human beings to find a solution to climate change. Ultimately, its narrow vision makes it a divisive policy.
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My dear friend Brook,

The objective of a Rational, Logical, and Humane reduction in the Global Over-Population is NOT about "Climate Change."

It is, rather, about a sustainable level of Population where ALL resources may be shared equally. Where the Island Earth may recover to a Natural State. Where the Humans may exercise themselves in true Spiritual Evolution. There is no "Artificial" method to this. This is a Global requirement, for requiring only properly suitable couples to engage in Procreation, where families are limited to 3 children, until the total population declines naturally to less than One-Billion.

All the Spirits waiting for birth and re-birth will have their turn.


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So we will all be on "the same Page," THIS is the Document now going out to every Organization on Island Earth, to Every Non-Government Group, to the Ambassadors of every Nation, and to the United Nations. THIS document is derived from the referenced "Petition."
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TO: Concerned People on Earth. The Issue of Over-Population has become Critical

Planet Earth and its inhabitants are suffering from diverse ills caused singularly and exclusively by man himself. These already existing ills, however, will continue to proliferate until finally everything completely deteriorates.

The Earth’s population is plagued by famines, energy shortages, epidemics, environmental pollution, degeneration, terrorism, dictatorship, anarchism, slavery, excessive increase of waste materials, racial hatred, food shortages, destruction of rain forests, the “greenhouse effect”, pollution of lakes, streams and oceans, hatred towards asylum-seekers; radioactive emissions, chemical pollution of water, air, plants, food, human beings and animals.

Crime, murder, mass murders, manslaughter; alcoholism, hatred of strangers, oppression, hatred of one’s fellowman, extremism, sectarianism, drug addiction, overpopulation, annihilation of animal species, war, violence, torture and capital punishment, general mismanagement, water contamination, eradication of plant species; hatred, vice, jealousy, lovelessness, lack of logic, false humanitarianism, lack of housing, increased traffic, destruction of arable land, unemployment, the collapse of health care, the collapse of care for the elderly, destruction of nature, the collapse of solid waste removal, and the lack of living space, among others.
In spite of the many efforts, mankind’s problems are not decreasing but, instead, continue to rise steadily in direct proportion to population increases.

Mankind’s horrendous ills originate from and exist through overpopulation with its unrelenting, irresponsibly continuing escalation. The situation dictates that any ill can only be fought and remedied by grasping it by its roots, ripping it out and destroying it: The numbers of terrestrial humankind must be drastically reduced.

The only humane method by which this reduction goal can be achieved, is through stringent birth control regulations that permit married couples, of a predetermined age, to have only a strictly specified number of children.

This regulation must prevail over any excuse, argument, fear and/or stupid comment from those numbskulls who claim, for military, religious, social, egoistical, false humanitarian reasons, or those of false charity, that a large number of offspring is necessary, or that birth control is contrary to religious beliefs and is inhumane, etc. These inane claims are made singularly by rigid egotists, sectarians or people unfit to live those who have not the faintest idea of nature’s laws, directives or truthful logic.

With a current population of about 7-Billion inhabitants, the Earth is far beyond its capability to support and feed such a mass routinely, on a fundamental, natural and healthy basis. A basis, where neither human effort and intrusion into nature, the raping of nature nor the exploitation of its resources to produce more food need occur; and where no one need suffer from hunger. The truth is that Earth is a wondrous planet, but it has only the capacity to support and feed in every way and in abundance 530-Million people, One-Billion at the most.

Mankind, on the other hand, has generated a gigantic, excessive population, and is now forced to spur all vegetable and fruit production to atypical, extreme achievements through the use of chemicals and hybrids. As though this were not enough, the exploitation of the planet has accelerated dramatically, including the expansion in recovery of raw materials from the earth, and the unrelentingly rising demand from the Earth for all types of other materials a direct result of the growing overpopulation.

No one mentions the destruction of arable land due to this madness called overpopulation; no one speaks of the use of toxic chemicals, nor of the expansion of housing areas and the like. Food for human consumption is laden with chemical additives and consists these days largely of artificially produced chemicals also a fact that is not mentioned.

Overpopulation brings with it ethnic problems as well. Indeed, it actually induces them. It precipitates migration, war, bloodshed and murder. As a result of the world population’s continuing growth, people are squeezed together ever closer, and the space for each person becomes ever smaller and more restricted. For this reason can situations not be avoided whereby inhabitants of various countries, tribes, religions, convictions, opinions, philosophies and outlooks increasingly crowd together only to infringe upon each other’s personal space. Without fail, this type of close contact leads to friction, differences of opinion and arguments.

These issues, in turn, automatically generate war, bloodshed, murder and migration. The migration issue alone leads to even more excessive, vicious, worldwide problems. For example, refugees do not simply leave their familiar homesteads merely to seek new ones within their own country. Instead, they flee to foreign lands and often to countries that are financially and economically more prosperous than their own homelands.

So it transpires that tens of thousands, indeed hundreds of thousands, even millions of refugees abruptly flee their homelands and swarm into foreign, more prosperous nations. In turn, these nations become swamped with foreigners, causing almost insurmountable problems. Countries that accept these refugees are forced to expend billions of dollars that are paid for by the “host nation’s” industrious inhabitants through hard-earned funds from horrendous taxes.

These mankind’s existing major problems can only be resolved through a purposeful birth control program, by which the population is reduced to an optimum level, and scaled according to the planet. All other problem-solving measures present trite, singularly miserable, pitiful and useless attempts that barely amount to the proverbial drop in the bucket. Such problem-solving attempts only serve instead to increase all ills and difficulties even further.

Is population control barbaric, inhumane and uncharitable? No! On the contrary, for it is only when a person begins to ponder these facts logically if he or she has not done so already and come to the same truthful conclusions that he or she finds the truth coinciding with the aforementioned argument.

Only illogically thinking people, who cling to false charity and false humanitarianism, deny the truth. Such people are forced into this rut by sectarian machinations and false teachings, which cause them to grovel like dogs and rob them of all healthy, reasonable, normal and truthful thoughts, feelings and actions.

In this manner they are dominated purely by pity, self-pity, feeblemindedness and illogic, in place of feelings of empathy for all life forms. Respect for and toward true life is ultimately destroyed by the illogical thinkers, who pave the way for false humanitarianism and false charity that turn into purulent boils capable of spreading as epidemics.

Is it brutal and inhumane when the laws and directives of nature are followed? No. However, it is brutal, inhumane and uncharitable when mankind continues to cling to overpopulation, indeed even promotes it, regardless of the circumstances and consequences, in order that millions and millions of new children can be procreated.

By failing to enact stringent birth control measures for sectarian reasons and feebleminded sentimentality, man precipitates all misery and problems that will eventually become even greater and more difficult to combat, and where finally no solution or salvation will be feasible.

Required Worldwide Measures (This is just one possibility among many!):

These measures apply to everyone on Earth except for some small, native bush tribes, who have practiced their own form of stringent birth control measures since time immemorial.

Minimum age for marriage:
Female: 25 years
Male: 30 years

Minimum age to produce offspring:
Female: 28 years
Male: 33 years

Criteria for procreating:
An existing marriage of at least 3 years
Proof of a healthy, harmonious marriage
Proof of irreproachable conduct of the marriage partners
Proof of ability to raise children
Proof of health no hereditary and infectious diseases, no addiction to illegal or prescription drugs or to alcohol, etc.
No affiliation with extremist or subversive groups

Maximum number of children:
3 children per marriage

Birth control intervals:
7 years worldwide, total ban against births (first cycle interval 7 + 1)
1 year procreation consent (with permission)

7 years worldwide, total ban against births (second cycle interval 7+ 1)
1 year procreation consent (with permission )

To be carried out in this manner until the world’s population has reached a diminished and normal level of 530,000,000, or at least less than 1-Billion

Subsequently: Measures concerning the permission to marry and procreate remain in force, but the 7-year cycle of birthrate check is omitted.
To remain in force
3 children per marriage (or 3 foster/adopted children)

Penalties for violations:
Fines equivalent to 10 annual salaries for both offenders
Sterilization of both offenders
Castration of offenders involving assault or rape, etc. The offenders are segregated from society and by gender for life
The offenders’ children are taken away from the parents and raised by the state through foster/adoptive parents

Additional actions:
All persons convicted of any Felony shall undergo mandatory sterilization.
This applies to all those on “parole,” as well as those in prisons.

Brutal and inhumane (?)

What is more brutal, inhumane, and hostile to one’s fellowman and life?...

A world overpopulated by human beings, where hunger and misery, privation and brutal deaths reign; where wars, murder and bloodshed, fraud, torture and capital punishment occur daily, along with rape, crime, hatred, epidemics and destruction, vice and addiction; where hatred against all life, and extremism, lies, deceit and degeneration prevail; where millions of people perish daily, suffering horrendous pain, or succumbing to wretched deaths through torture at the hands of their tormentors and executioners, and from hunger and misery.

OR

A world with a population of average proportions, where all ills, problems and misery become relatively small and normal. A world that is not ruled by hunger and misery. A world in which the fear of war, and all evil, are reduced to the point where the likelihood of a world-unifying peace is actually feasible. This condition would bring about an end to the constant fear of the future and would pave the way to a life of love, logic and reason, among others.

Why don’t you reflect on what kind of world you would like to live in. Does genuine, sincere humanitarianism, love, charity and truth not surpass all false humanitarianism, false charity and lies? Above all ask yourself: “In what type of world do I want my children and my children’s children to live?”


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Greetings BROOK, J_rod7, Traverser, Seashore and all the others,

Your contributions are highly appreciated.

Now then.
BROOK, you ask, i quote:
"Please answer this...HOW do they plan on achieving this?

I also must say...there is politics all over this article....pure POLITICS
I keep hearing from you there is this critical need to lower the population....just exactly how do they plan on doing this?"

First of all, let me state that politics is an inner part of Human societies living in republics - 'res publicum', the public thing.
So, i really do not see the relevance of this specific point.

To the kern of your question: "Please answer this...HOW do they plan on achieving this?"

The answer is BY EDUCATING FELLOW HUMANS on the need to openly talk on, address this issue, by lifting the taboo on Human reproduction and promoting awareness on the threat of overpopulation on the sustainability and security of and on this planet and ultimately by advocating WORLD WIDE, DEMOCRATIC AND SCIENTIFIC BIRTH CONTROL.

Do see the CONTENT OF THE STATEMENT AND 'THE WAY THEY PLAN TO ACHIEVE THIS':

"2. We recommend that the United Nations and intergovernmental organisations, governments, and non-governmental environment and development bodies should:

A. Recognise and acknowledge the factual truth of these statements.

B. Support, fund or ensure universal access to family planning worldwide, as agreed at the 1994 Cairo Conference and in Millennium Development Goal 5 for 2012.

D. Adopt non-coercive policies to stabilise or reduce populations at or to sustainable levels, including planning for an ageing population.

E. Take firm measures, especially in high-consuming regions, to promote the reduction of per capita resource depletion and environmental degradation.

June, 2009"


We welcome critical, open, argumentative discussions on the substance of the matter.

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And again, BROOK, you wrote:
"The real “population change” we need to focus on is not artificially reducing human numbers. Rather, it is about winning real democratic change, i.e. dramatically increasing the numbers of ordinary people who can participate in making decisions about investment in green industries, agriculture, global trade and military spending.
Population control narrowly looks only at the quantity of human beings to find a solution to climate change. Ultimately, its narrow vision makes it a divisive policy."

I ask you back, how could Fellow Humans possibly take part to decisionmaking and aspire to higher ideals(spirituality, eventually, ascension...) if their whole existence is a mere fight for survival, for food and clean water also because of our sheer number and the impact of this colossal number of Mother earth? - i invite you here to critically study the following reports:
http://www.care2.com/causes/global-w...arming-report/
http://www.theage.com.au/environment...0619-cmcs.html


Truly, BROOK, also 'ordinary people' need correct feeding, education, health care and the possibility to aspire to and achieve real Human Existence, that is in spirituality and with dignity.


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Old 06-22-2009, 06:29 AM   #161
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Demographic Winter: "Schools will be turned into nursing homes. Playgrounds will become graveyards."

By John-Henry Westen

WASHINGTON, DC, January 26, 2009 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Celebrated columnist and pro-family leader Don Feder gave a jaw-dropping presentation on the coming 'Demographic Winter' at the Rose Dinner which closes the official March for Life festivities every year. Speaking to hundreds of attendees, Feder suggested that the demographic problem of worldwide declining birthrates "could result in the greatest crisis humanity will confront in this century" as "all over the world, children are disappearing."

"In the Western world, birthrates are falling and populations are aging," said Feder. "The consequences for your children and grandchildren could well be catastrophic."

Feder noted, "In 30 years, worldwide, birth rates have fallen by more than 50%. In 1979, the average woman on this planet had 6 children. Today, the average is 2.9 children, and falling." He explained the situation noting, "demographers tell us that with a birthrate of 1.3, everything else being equal, a nation will lose half of its population every 45 years."
Beyond an inability to pay for pensions, it is likely that euthanasia will be one looked-to solution to the aging crisis, he said.

"Demographic Winter is the terminal stage in the suicide of the West - the culmination of a century of evil ideas and poisonous policies,'" he said. Among them he listed:

"Abortion - As I mentioned a moment ago, worldwide, we're killing 42 million people a year. It's as if an invading army killed every man woman and child in Italy - then repeated the process every year.

"Contraception - For the first time in history, just under half the world's population of childbearing age uses some form of birth control. Some of us remember when births weren't controlled and pregnancies weren't planned. With all the wailing about man-made Global Warming, carbon footprints and the ozone layer, wouldn't it be ironic if what did us in wasn't the SUV but the IUD?

"Delayed marriage. People are marrying later and later. After 35, it becomes progressively harder for a woman to have children.

"The decline of marriage and the rise of cohabitation. Not surprisingly, in relationships without commitment, people have fewer children. By the way, the left's contribution to the coming population crisis is to push the one type of ‘marriage’ (and I use the term advisedly) that can't conceivably produce children.

"But perhaps,” he concluded, “the most important factor is a culture (including Hollywood, the news media and academia) that tells people that children are a burden, rather than a joy; that pushes an ego-driven, live-for-the-moment ethic; a culture that tells us that contentment comes from careers, love, friendship, pets, possessions, travel, personal growth - anything and everything except family and children. It's a culture that can look at Sarah Palin and her beautiful family and ask why she had to have 5 children and why she didn't abort her child with Downs syndrome."

For more see the first documentary on the plummeting birth rate:
"Demographic Winter: the decline of the human family"
http://www.demographicwinter.com

** See the full text of Feder's talk here **
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009...nnerspeech.pdf
The problem with this article is that it only focuses on the West and ignores problems in poorer parts of the world, where there isn't enough education on family planning.

I personally don't agree with abortion (but I do not advocate banning it either) and it could be avoided if people used contraceptives properly and planned their families better. It's possible to have a large, healthy family.

Which brings me to my next point: With wages falling or remaining stagnant and the cost of living increasing, it becomes harder to support a family on the wages that can be gathered.
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Hi Humble Janitor,

BROOK,
Don Feder? - interesting source, indeed.

Allow me to use your method:

- http://www.donfeder.com/
- http://www.humanevents.com/search.ph...name=Don+Feder

Just 'google' the name; the results of the research are pretty interesting.


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Interesting thread. I haven't read it all yet. Overpopulation is relative to how we live on the planet. Right now it is overpopulated. Any other species would have been brought back into balance with Nature. Education is the long term solution. Short time solution is... I'm against control by force with laws and law enforcement. This kind of control only leads to less education and a need for more control in an endless cycle. I guess the short time solution is coming soon to a theater near you.
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Abortions,birth controll,murder,executions are not in the "Big" plan.REgardless of how or when we die we will keep coming back,over and over.Breeding triggers genetic progressions.Only the strong survive,is a very old miitary motto.However,It is true for the spiritual and the physical.No one can stop the cycles.I am an aquarian and I will come back the next time an aquarian untill I learn compassion.I have very little of that except for the under dog and even that is limited.Everyone knows their own faults,we think of them so often.offspring are so very important."""""""""""
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Jesus died and came back.Please don't take this lightly.
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"Perhaps a hopeful sign ?" - thus Michael Horn:


'Contraception cheapest way to combat climate change'


By Richard Pindar
Published: 12:05PM BST 09 Sep 2009

"Contraception is almost five times cheaper as a means of preventing climate change than conventional green technologies, according to research by the London School of Economics.
Every £4 spent on family planning over the next four decades would reduce global CO2 emissions by more than a ton, whereas a minimum of £19 would have to be spent on low-carbon technologies to achieve the same result, the research says.

The report, Fewer Emitter, Lower Emissions, Less Cost, concludes that family planning should be seen as one of the primary methods of emissions reduction. The UN estimates that 40 per cent of all pregnancies worldwide are unintended. " [...]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/env...te-change.html


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Population growth driving climate change, poverty: experts

Sep 21 01:41 PM US/Eastern



"Unchecked population growth is speeding climate change, damaging
life-nurturing ecosystems and dooming many countries to poverty,
experts concluded in a conference report released Monday.

Unless birth rates are lowered sharply through voluntary
family-planning programmes and easy access to contraceptives, the
tally of humans on Earth could swell to an unsustainable 11 billion by
2050, they warned." [...]

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1




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the real “population change” we need to focus on is not artificially reducing human numbers. Rather, it is about winning real democratic change, i.e. Dramatically increasing the numbers of ordinary people who can participate in making decisions about investment in green industries, agriculture, global trade and military spending.
Population control narrowly looks only at the quantity of human beings to find a solution to climate change. Ultimately, its narrow vision makes it a divisive policy.


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I agree that family planning is a great thing to promote, but I will not sign a petition like this. I will say that I would not be here today had my paternal grandmother not given birth to 13 children, my father being the last of those. My maternal grandmother had 8 children, my mother being the last. I realize that that was back in the day when most children grew up on a farm, and their extra hands kept things going. I had 3 children of my own, and you couldn't pay me to have another even if I could, but I've been given 5 grandbabies that I cherish. It gives me chills to think that humanity would be prevented from the joy that children bring to our lives because some group believes that "their" planet is being destroyed because children are being born. This earth is our home, but it is not ours to pick and choose which souls, or how many of them, are permitted to inhabit this land.
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The real “population change” we need to focus on is not artificially reducing human numbers. Rather, it is about winning real democratic change, i.e. dramatically increasing the numbers of ordinary people who can participate in making decisions about investment in green industries, agriculture, global trade and military spending.
What in the heck is "winning real democratic change", and how does that do a darn thing towards making our planet stable?

The biggest problem our earth has is unchecked overpopulation. I consider myself lucky to live in a country where the birth rate is no where near some other countries. United States has about 14.18 births per 1000 per year, we’re ranked 151 on a list of 221 http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=25 What is chilling is to realize there are 3.8 times the number of people living in India as the U.S., and 4.3 times the number of people living in China as the U.S. There are 1.3 Billion people living in China!!

Want to know where people live? Check it out here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._by_population

I think the biggest problem facing our world is over-population. In fifty years (50), our world went from 2.5 Billion, to 6.7 Billion, that is a 2.6 fold increase.

Think ahead. What does this mean for our grandchildren? What will it be like for them to be living 50 years from now? What will the world be like if the 6.7 Billion nearly triples to 15 Billion? Can you even image what problems our planet would face with 15 Billion living on it? Where would enough food be grown? Where would there be enough natural resources? Clean Water. Forests for wood. Agriculture land for growing food. Look what is projected for our supply of minerals: http://flowingdata.com/2009/04/24/ho...esources-last/
http://www.cavemanforecaster.com/200...depletion.html
Where will we have enough DUMP sites to put our garbage???

If you’re thinking “oh, we’ll stop this increase before we get to 50 years in the future”… think again. Where is there one piece of evidence we have stopped any of this world’s growth in the past 50 years?

The crisis’s we’re facing today are because not enough of us are concerned about too high of a birth rate.
Much of everything else we worry about pales in comparison to what problems are occurring because of increasing population.

Count me at the front of the line to sign that petition!

This YouTube gives a real easy to understand explanation of what our increasing population trend is doing to us:

The Most IMPORTANT Video You'll Ever See

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I take it you you stand on the same side of the fence as this guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClqUcScwnn8
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Population Control, Nazis, and the U.N!
by Anton Chaitkin


ROCKEFELLER AND MASS MURDER

The Rockefeller Foundation is the prime sponsor of public relations for the United Nations' drastic depopulation program. Evidence in the possession of a growing number of researchers in America, England, and Germany demonstrates that the Foundation and its corporate, medical, and political associates organized the racial mass murder program of Nazi Germany.

These globalists, who function as a conduit for British Empire geopolitics, were not stopped after World War II. This United Nations alliance of the old Nazi right, with the new left, poses an even graver danger to the world today than it did in 1941.

Oil monopolist John D. Rockefeller created the family-run Rockefeller Foundation in 1909. By 1929 he had placed $300 million worth of the family's controlling interest in the Standard Oil Company of New Jersey (now called ``Exxon'') to the account of the Foundation.

The Foundation's money created the medical specialty known as Psychiatric Genetics. For the new experimental field, the Foundation reorganized medical teaching in Germany, creating and thenceforth continuously directing the ``Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Psychiatry'' and the ``Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Anthropology, Eugenics and Human Heredity.'' The Rockefellers' chief executive of these institutions was the fascist Swiss psychiatrist Ernst Rudin, assisted by his proteges Otmar Verschuer and Franz J. Kallmann.

In 1932, the British-led ``Eugenics'' movement designated the Rockefellers' Dr. Rudin as the president of the worldwide Eugenics Federation. The movement called for the killing or sterilization of people whose heredity made them a public burden.
The Racial Laws -

A few months later, Hitler took over Germany and the Rockefeller-Rudin apparatus became a section of the Nazi state. The regime appointed Rudin head of the Racial Hygiene Society. Rudin and his staff, as part of the Task Force of Heredity Experts chaired by SS chief Heinrich Himmler, drew up the sterilization law. Described as an American Model law, it was adopted in July 1933 and proudly printed in the September 1933 Eugenical News (USA) with Hitler's signature. The Rockefeller group drew up other race laws, also based on existing Virginia statutes. Otmar Verschuer and his assistant Josef Mengele together wrote reports for special courts which enforced Rudin's racial purity law against cohabitation of Aryans and non-Aryans.

The ``T4'' unit of the Hitler Chancery, based on psychiatrists led by Rudin and his staff, cooperated in creating propaganda films to sell mercy killing (euthanasia) to German citizens. The public reacted antagonistically: Hitler had to withdraw a tear-jerker right-to-die film from the movie theaters. The proper groundwork had not yet been laid.

Under the Nazis, the German chemical company I.G. Farben and Rockefeller's Standard Oil of New Jersey were effectively a single firm, merged in hundreds of cartel arrangements. I.G. Farben was led, up until 1937, by the Warburg family, Rockefeller's partner in banking and in the design of Nazi German eugenics. Following the German invasion of Poland in 1939, Standard Oil pledged to keep the merger with I.G. Farben going even if the U.S. entered the war. This was exposed in 1942 by Sen. Harry Truman's investigating committee, and President Roosevelt took hundreds of legal measures during the war to stop the Standard-I.G. Farben cartel from supplying the enemy war machine.



Population Control, Nazis, and the U.N!
by Anton Chaitkin


ROCKEFELLER AND MASS MURDER

The Rockefeller Foundation is the prime sponsor of public relations for the United Nations' drastic depopulation program. Evidence in the possession of a growing number of researchers in America, England, and Germany demonstrates that the Foundation and its corporate, medical, and political associates organized the racial mass murder program of Nazi Germany.

These globalists, who function as a conduit for British Empire geopolitics, were not stopped after World War II. This United Nations alliance of the old Nazi right, with the new left, poses an even graver danger to the world today than it did in 1941.

Oil monopolist John D. Rockefeller created the family-run Rockefeller Foundation in 1909. By 1929 he had placed $300 million worth of the family's controlling interest in the Standard Oil Company of New Jersey (now called ``Exxon'') to the account of the Foundation.

The Foundation's money created the medical specialty known as Psychiatric Genetics. For the new experimental field, the Foundation reorganized medical teaching in Germany, creating and thenceforth continuously directing the ``Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Psychiatry'' and the ``Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Anthropology, Eugenics and Human Heredity.'' The Rockefellers' chief executive of these institutions was the fascist Swiss psychiatrist Ernst Rudin, assisted by his proteges Otmar Verschuer and Franz J. Kallmann.

In 1932, the British-led ``Eugenics'' movement designated the Rockefellers' Dr. Rudin as the president of the worldwide Eugenics Federation. The movement called for the killing or sterilization of people whose heredity made them a public burden.

- The Racial Laws -

A few months later, Hitler took over Germany and the Rockefeller-Rudin apparatus became a section of the Nazi state. The regime appointed Rudin head of the Racial Hygiene Society. Rudin and his staff, as part of the Task Force of Heredity Experts chaired by SS chief Heinrich Himmler, drew up the sterilization law. Described as an American Model law, it was adopted in July 1933 and proudly printed in the September 1933 Eugenical News (USA) with Hitler's signature. The Rockefeller group drew up other race laws, also based on existing Virginia statutes. Otmar Verschuer and his assistant Josef Mengele together wrote reports for special courts which enforced Rudin's racial purity law against cohabitation of Aryans and non-Aryans.

The ``T4'' unit of the Hitler Chancery, based on psychiatrists led by Rudin and his staff, cooperated in creating propaganda films to sell mercy killing (euthanasia) to German citizens. The public reacted antagonistically: Hitler had to withdraw a tear-jerker right-to-die film from the movie theaters. The proper groundwork had not yet been laid.

Under the Nazis, the German chemical company I.G. Farben and Rockefeller's Standard Oil of New Jersey were effectively a single firm, merged in hundreds of cartel arrangements. I.G. Farben was led, up until 1937, by the Warburg family, Rockefeller's partner in banking and in the design of Nazi German eugenics. Following the German invasion of Poland in 1939, Standard Oil pledged to keep the merger with I.G. Farben going even if the U.S. entered the war. This was exposed in 1942 by Sen. Harry Truman's investigating committee, and President Roosevelt took hundreds of legal measures during the war to stop the Standard-I.G. Farben cartel from supplying the enemy war machine.

In 1940-41, I.G. Farben built a gigantic factory at Auschwitz in Poland, to utilize the Standard Oil/I.G. Farben patents with concentration camp slave labor to make gasoline from coal. The SS was assigned to guard the Jewish and other inmates and select for killing those who were unfit for I.G. Farben slave labor. Standard-Germany president Emil Helfferich testified after the war that Standard Oil funds helped pay for SS guards at Auschwitz.

In 1940, six months after the notorious Standard-I.G. meeting, European Rockefeller Foundation official Daniel O'Brian wrote to the Foundation's chief medical officer Alan Gregg that ``it would be unfortunate if it was chosen to stop research which has no relation to war issues''--so the Foundation continued financing Nazi ``psychiatric research'' during the war.

In 1936, Rockefeller's Dr. Franz Kallmann interrupted his study of hereditary degeneracy and emigrated to America because he was half-Jewish. Kallmann went to New York and established the Medical Genetics Department of the New York State Psychiatric Institute. The Scottish Rite of Freemasonry published Kallman's study of over 1,000 cases of schizophrenia, which tried to prove its hereditary basis. In the book, Kallmann thanked his long-time boss and mentor Rudin. Kallmann's book, published in 1938 in the USA and Nazi Germany, was used by the T4 unit as a rationalization to begin in 1939 the murder of mental patients and various ``defective'' people, perhaps most of them children. Gas and lethal injections were used to kill 250,000 under this program, in which the staffs for a broader murder program were desensitized and trained.

- Dr. Mengele... -

In 1943, Otmar Verschuer's assistant Josef Mengele was made medical commandant of Auschwitz. As wartime director of Rockefeller's Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Anthropology, Eugenics and Human Heredity in Berlin, Verschuer secured funds for Mengele's experiments at Auschwitz from the German Research Council. Verschuer wrote a progress report to the Council: ``My co-researcher in this research is my assistant the anthropologist and physician Mengele. He is serving as Hauptstuermfuehrer and camp doctor in the concentration camp Auschwitz.... With the permission of the Reichsfuehrer SS Himmler, anthropological research is being undertaken on the various racial groups in the concentration camps and blood samples will be sent to my laboratory for investigation.''
Mengele prowled the railroad lines leading into Auschwitz, looking for twins--a favorite subject of psychiatric geneticists. On arrival at Mengele's experimental station, twins filled out ``a detailed questionnaire from the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute.'' There were daily drawings of blood for Verschuer's ``specific protein'' research. Needles were injected into eyes for work on eye color. There were experimental blood transfusions and infections. Organs and limbs were removed, sometimes without anesthetics. Sex changes were attempted. Females were sterilized, males were castrated. Thousands were murdered and their organs, eyeballs, heads, and limbs were sent to Verschuer and the Rockefeller group at the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute.

In 1946, Verschuer wrote to the Bureau of Human Heredity in London, asking for help in continuing his ``scientific research.''

- Facelift -
In 1947, the Bureau of Human Heredity moved from London to Copenhagen. The new Danish building for this was built with Rockefeller money. The first International Congress in Human Genetics following World War II was held at this Danish institute in 1956. By that time, Verschuer was a member of the American Eugenics Society, then indistinguishable from Rockefeller's Population Council.

Dr. Kallmann helped save Verschuer by testifying in his denazification proceedings. Dr. Kallmann created the American Society of Human Genetics, which organized the ``Human Genome Project''--a current $3 billion physical multiculturalism effort. Kallmann was a director of the American Eugenics Society in 1952 and from 1954 to 1965.

In the 1950s, the Rockefellers reorganized the U.S. eugenics movement in their own family offices, with spinoff population-control and abortion groups. The Eugenics Society changed its name to the Society for the Study of Social Biology, its current name.

The Rockefeller Foundation had long financed the eugenics movement in England, apparently repaying Britain for the fact that British capital and an Englishman-partner had started old John D. Rockefeller out in his Oil Trust. In the 1960s, the Eugenics Society of England adopted what they called Crypto-eugenics, stating in their official reports that they would do eugenics through means and instruments not labeled as eugenics.

With support from the Rockefellers, the Eugenics Society (England) set up a sub-committee called the International Planned Parenthood Federation, which for 12 years had no other address than the Eugenics Society. This, then, is the private, international apparatus which has set the world up for a global holocaust, under the UN flag.

[For more information about the Planned Parenthood and Rockefeller connection to AIDS and disinformation campaigns, read the book "Emerging Viruses: AIDS & Ebola--Nature, Accident or Intentional?" by Dr. Leonard Horowitz (Tetrahedron, LLC Press, 1996).]



http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/..._Genocide.html

Who needs population control....we have the swine flue vaccine

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What in the heck is "winning real democratic change", and how does that do a darn thing towards making our planet stable?
You have to seriously ask that question to that statement? Do you not think that will make for more stability? I sure do...and I believe anyone who is awake feels the same
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You have to seriously ask that question to that statement? Do you not think that will make for more stability? I sure do...and I believe anyone who is awake feels the same
I do NOT think stability is achieved through “REAL” democratic change. What in the heck is “real”? If it is anything at all, it is a subjective concept.

Slowing down growth rate is the only way to achieve balance and stability.

You can slow down the birth rate in a heard of cattle, or rabbits, by preventing pregnancies in the cows or rabbits. It is as simple as that. Cows and rabbits don’t do it through ‘democratic change’.

In the wilderness... overcrowding or overpopulation leads to starvation when the food supplies are gone. And that is happening in some nations like Uganda and Niger and will continue to happen.

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other countries. United States has about 14.18 births per 1000 per year, we’re ranked 151 on a list of 221 http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=25
My god! The entire top 50 are almost entirely from Africa.

What are these people thinking (or not thinking) ?!

Disease, poverty and war are rampant... there is not enough food to feed everyone. And these people are pumping out children like its going out of style.

Out of pure selfishness, so they will have private slaves to do their own chores.

People consciously choosing to bring a child into incarnation under these circumstances are irresponsible abusers.

I remember a quote from Thom Hartman's "The Prophets Way" where he was doing tireless humanitarian work helping starving children in Uganda.

Someone said a very sad joke to him - "What do you get when you feed 1000 starving Ugandans? - 10,000 Starving Ugandans."

Though in the context of this discussion is important to remember that these disadvantaged African people aren't really contributing to global bio-sphere destruction anywhere near the levels of the obese American pig-nation (sorry guys but its true) who probably waste more food in a year than these unfortunates will ever see.

Difficult topic!! no easy solutions. Education, education, education.

Lets hope we shift into 4D 100% and this problem resolves peacefully in ways that maybe we cannot conceive right now.

Both sides have valid points here (even Dr Evil himself; David Rockerfeller).

Lets take Bill Hicks advice and use our advanced military applications to feed the hungry; something to the effect of: "Look! there's a guy who is hungry, lets bomb him with food parcels - STEALTH BANANA."

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