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Chemtrails in action??
One of the symptoms that you might have an infection caused by fungi sprayed from planes is lowered body temperature. Today I started having a very dry throat for no apparent reason, I do not have a cold. i took my temperature and it is 35.8!!! while it should be 36.6. If it's not chemtrails so what is it?
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12-11-2008, 06:53 AM
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Re: Chemtrails in action??
It was only this morning that i received two emails, both related to chemtrails/spraying toxins.
the first email is copied below. *********************** " Two RARE photos many people don't see/share on the internet regarding chemtrails. 1. 1991, first 'Gulf war'... this was the ONLY place anyone photographed military jet planes spraying the people below them as 'chemtrails'... and how many years later did everyone come down with 'gulf war syndrome'? It took a while to reach our desktops, but it did get here, eventually. Chronic fatigue and mental sharpness going right down the toilet are two of the major symptoms for GWS. Others got so sick they almost might as well have been 'diagnosed' as having 'AIDS' (they did ACQUIRE it after all). Perfect for controlling the masses - the testing was complete. On to phase two... 'Make it a global spray program'. 2. Chemtrails today, and this rare find. Enough of this **** has fallen at times that some people have been able to cluster it up on a stick like cotton-candy. When I did this in WA state for William thomas to sample (sent by mail), 3-4 days later I had pneumonia and ALMOST DIED. I insisted on the medics scanning me for 'micoplasma incognito'... I got some strange looks because I was never in the gulf war... and here's the connection. I TESTED POSITIVE! I'm just getting by as it is some days. Wish my reptoid immune system was better at getting this **** out of me. Touching this **** opens up the nano-tube network (or whatever this plastic web-like material is) and dumps its load of viri and bacterial **** all over your body. Too much at once and it could... well, hell, it almost killed me! Decide for yourselves if you think your own government would ever POISON you or the public in general when they go around saying things like 'the world is over-populated anyway'. I'll include some other photos as well, just because they speak volumes on this subject. "                  
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Re: Chemtrails in action??
The second email, related to Chemtrails, and also to "Pathogenic Mycoplasma", US Patent No. 5,242,820, issued September 7, 1993. Dr Lo is listed as the "Inventor" and the American Registry of Pathology, Washington,..."
********************************* "I tested positive for this in 2000, one year after I went public about chemtrails in Vancouver Canada with William Thomas - It was a sample I had collected for him of my own accord that landed me in a hospital in three days almost unable to breathe at all. I was there for weeks and barely made it out alive. I insisted that the Dr at the Peace Arch hospital test me for "micoplasma incognito", and he was shocked I had it as I was never in the "Gulf war". I said, "Pretty soon, we'll all have this." (He seemed a bit scared that I might be right and ran off about his more normal duties, afraid to speak another word about my case.) Purple Crow." -------------------- Name of disease: Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS) myalgic encephalomyelitis fibromyalgia BRUCELLA MYCOPLASMA PATHOGENIC MYCOPLASMA Mycoplasma fermentans (incognitus strain) Drs involved in research: Donald Scott, MA, MSc. (Author of this report - contact into at end) Professor Garth Nicholson, PhD. Dr Charles Engel of the NIH. Dr Maurice Hilleman, chief virologist for the pharmaceutical company Merck, Sharp & Dohme. Dr Shyh-Ching Lo, senior researcher, Armed Forces Institute of Pathology. (See patent) Note on testing: The mycoplasma will only crystallize at 8.1 pH, and the blood has a pH of 7.4 pH. Legal case evidence: Doxycycline treatment is discussed in a paper by mycoplasma expert Professor Garth Nicholson, PhD, of the Institute for Molecular Medicine.15 Dr Nicholson is involved in a US$8-million mycoplasma research program funded by the US military and headed by Dr Charles Engel of the NIH. The program is studying Gulf War veterans, 450 of them, because there is evidence to suggest that Gulf War syndrome is another illness (or set of illnesses) caused by mycoplasma. Patent on the disease: "Pathogenic Mycoplasma", US Patent No. 5,242,820, issued September 7, 1993. Dr Lo is listed as the "Inventor" and the American Registry of Pathology, Washington, DC, is listed as the "Assignee". ------------- Main article: There are 200 species of Mycoplasma. Most are innocuous and do no harm; only four or five are pathogenic. Mycoplasma fermentans (incognitus strain) probably comes from the nucleus of the Brucella bacterium. This disease agent is not a bacterium and not a virus; it is a mutated form of the Brucella bacterium, combined with a visna virus, from which the mycoplasma is extracted. The pathogenic Mycoplasma used to be very innocuous, but biological warfare research conducted between 1942 and the present time has resulted in the creation of more deadly and infectious forms of Mycoplasma. Researchers extracted this mycoplasma from the Brucella bacterium and actually reduced the disease to a crystalline form. They "weaponised" it and tested it on an unsuspecting public in North America. Dr Maurice Hilleman, chief virologist for the pharmaceutical company Merck Sharp & Dohme, stated that this disease agent is now carried by everybody in North America and possibly most people throughout the world. Despite reporting flaws, there has clearly been an increased incidence of all the neuro/systemic degenerative diseases since World War II and especially since the 1970s with the arrival of previously unheard-of diseases like chronic fatigue syndrome and AIDS. According to Dr Shyh-Ching Lo, senior researcher at The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology and one of America's top mycoplasma researchers, this disease agent causes many illnesses including AIDS, cancer, chronic fatigue syndrome, Crohn's colitis, Type I diabetes, multiple sclerosis, Parkinson's disease, Wegener's disease and collagen-vascular diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis and Alzheimer's. Dr Charles Engel, who is with the US National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, Maryland, stated the following at an NIH meeting on February 7, 2000: "I am now of the view that the probable cause of chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia is the mycoplasma.. ." I have all the official documents to prove that mycoplasma is the disease agent in chronic fatigue syndrome/fibromyalg ia as well as in AIDS, multiple sclerosis and many other illnesses. Of these, 80% are US or Canadian official government documents, and 20% are articles from peer-reviewed journals such as the Journal of the American Medical Association, New England Journal of Medicine and the Canadian Medical Association Journal. The journal articles and government documents complement each other. How the Mycoplasma Works The mycoplasma acts by entering into the individual cells of the body, depending upon your genetic predisposition. You may develop neurological diseases if the pathogen destroys certain cells in your brain, or you may develop Crohn's colitis if the pathogen invades and destroys cells in the lower bowel. Once the mycoplasma gets into the cell, it can lie there doing nothing sometimes for 10, 20 or 30 years, but if a trauma occurs like an accident or a vaccination that doesn't take, the mycoplasma can become triggered. Because it is only the DNA particle of the bacterium, it doesn't have any organelles to process its own nutrients, so it grows by uptaking pre-formed sterols from its host cell and it literally kills the cell; the cell ruptures and what is left gets dumped into the bloodstream. II – CREATION OF THE MYCOPLASMA A Laboratory-Made Disease Agent Many doctors don't know about this mycoplasma disease agent because it was developed by the US military in biological warfare experimentation and it was not made public. This pathogen was patented by the United States military and Dr Shyh-Ching Lo. I have a copy of the documented patent from the US Patent Office.1 All the countries at war were experimenting with biological weapons. In 1942, the governments of the United States, Canada and Britain entered into a secret agreement to create two types of biological weapons (one that would kill, and one that was disabling) for use in the war against Germany and Japan, who were also developing biological weapons. While they researched a number of disease pathogens, they primarily focused on the Brucella bacterium and began to weaponize it. From its inception, the biowarfare program was characterized by continuing in-depth review and participation by the most eminent scientists, medical consultants, industrial experts and government officials, and it was classified Top Secret. The US Public Health Service also closely followed the progress of biological warfare research and development from the very start of the program, and the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and the National Institutes of Health (NIH) in the United States were working with the military in weaponizing these diseases. These are diseases that have existed for thousands of years, but they have been weaponized-- which means they've been made more contagious and more effective and decidedly more deadly. And they are spreading. The Special Virus Cancer Program, created by the CIA and NIH to develop a deadly pathogen for which humanity had no natural immunity (AIDS), was disguised as a war on cancer but was actually part of MKNAOMI.2 Many members of the Senate and House of Representatives do not know what has been going on. For example, the US Senate Committee on Government Reform had searched the archives in Washington and other places for the document titled "The Special Virus Cancer Program: Progress Report No. 8", and couldn't find it. Somehow they heard I had it, called me and asked me to mail it to them. Imagine: a retired schoolteacher being called by the United States Senate and asked for one of their secret documents! The US Senate, through the Government Reform Committee, is trying to stop this type of government research. Crystalline Brucella The title page of a genuine US Senate Study, declassified on February 24, 1977, shows that George Merck, of the pharmaceutical company, Merck Sharp & Dohme (which now makes cures for diseases that at one time it created), reported in 1946 to the US Secretary of War that his researchers had managed "for the first time" to "isolate the disease agent in crystalline form".3 They had produced a crystalline bacterial toxin extracted from the Brucella bacterium. The bacterial toxin could be removed in crystalline form and stored, transported and deployed without deteriorating. It could be delivered by other vectors such as insects, aerosol [ N.C.: THINK CHEMTRAILS] or the food chain (in nature it is delivered within the bacterium). But the factor that is working in the Brucella is the mycoplasma. Brucella is a disease agent that doesn't kill people; it disables them. But, according to Dr Donald MacArthur of the Pentagon, appearing before a congressional committee in 1969, 4 researchers found that if they had mycoplasma at a certain strength--actually, 10 to the 10th power (1010)--it would develop into AIDS, and the person would die from it within a reasonable period of time because it could bypass the natural human defenses. If the strength was 108, the person would manifest with chronic fatigue syndrome or fibromyalgia. If it was 107, they would present as wasting; they wouldn't die and they wouldn't be disabled, but they would not be very interested in life; they would waste away. Most of us have never heard of the disease brucellosis because it largely disappeared when they began pasteurizing milk, which was the carrier. One salt shaker of the pure disease agent in a crystalline form could sicken the entire population of Canada. It is absolutely deadly, not so much in terms of killing the body but disabling it. Because the crystalline disease agent goes into solution in the blood, ordinary blood and tissue tests will not reveal its presence. The mycoplasma will only crystallize at 8.1 pH, and the blood has a pH of 7.4 pH. So the doctor thinks your complaint is "all in your head". Crystalline Brucella and Multiple Sclerosis In 1998 in Rochester, New York, I met a former military man, PFC Donald Bentley, who gave me a document and told me: "I was in the US Army, and I was trained in bacteriological warfare. We were handling a bomb filled with brucellosis, only it wasn't brucellosis; it was a Brucella toxin in crystalline form. We were spraying it on the Chinese and North Koreans." He showed me his certificate listing his training in chemical, biological and radiological warfare. Then he showed me 16 pages of documents given to him by the US military when he was discharged from the service. They linked brucellosis with multiple sclerosis, and stated in one section: "Veterans with multiple sclerosis, a kind of creeping paralysis developing to a degree of 10% or more disability within two years after separation from active service, may be presumed to be service-connected for disability compensation. Compensation is payable to eligible veterans whose disabilities are due to service." In other words: "If you become ill with multiple sclerosis, it is because you were handling this Brucella, and we will give you a pension. Don't go raising any fuss about it." In these documents, the government of the United States revealed evidence of the cause of multiple sclerosis, but they didn't make it known to the public--or to your doctor. In a 1949 report, Drs Kyger and Haden suggested "the possibility that multiple sclerosis might be a central nervous system manifestation of chronic brucellosis" . Testing approximately 113 MS patients, they found that almost 95% also tested positive for Brucella.5 We have a document from a medical journal, which concludes that one out of 500 people who had brucellosis would develop what they call neurobrucellosis; in other words, brucellosis in the brain, where the Brucella settles in the lateral ventricles-- where the disease multiple sclerosis is basically located.6 Contamination of Camp Detrick Lab Workers A 1948 New England Journal of Medicine report titled "Acute Brucellosis Among Laboratory Workers" shows us how actively dangerous this agent is. 7 The laboratory workers were from Camp Detrick, Frederick, Maryland, where they were developing biological weapons... Even though these workers had been vaccinated, wore rubberized suits and masks and worked through holes in the compartment, many of them came down with this awful disease because it is so absolutely and terrifyingly infectious. The article was written by Lt Calderone Howell, Marine Corps, Captain Edward Miller, Marine Corps, Lt Emily Kelly, United States Naval Reserve, and Captain Henry Bookman. They were all military personnel engaged in making the disease agent Brucella into a more effective biological weapon. III – COVERT TESTING OF MYCOPLASMA Testing the Dispersal Methods Documented evidence proves that the biological weapons they were developing were tested on the public in various communities without their knowledge or consent. The government knew that crystalline Brucella would cause disease in humans. Now they needed to determine how it would spread and the best way to disperse it. They tested dispersal methods for Brucella suis and Brucella melitensis at Dugway Proving Ground, Utah, in June and September 1952. Probably, 100% of us now are infected with Brucella suis and Brucella melitensis.8 Another government document recommended the genesis of open-air vulnerability tests and covert research and development programs to be conducted by the Army and supported by the Central Intelligence Agency. At that time, the Government of Canada was asked by the US Government to cooperate in testing weaponized Brucella, and Canada cooperated fully with the United States. The US Government wanted to determine whether mosquitoes would carry the disease and also if the air would carry it. A government report stated that "open-air testing of infectious biological agents is considered essential to an ultimate understanding of biological warfare potentialities because of the many unknown factors affecting the degradation of micro-organisms in the atmosphere". 9 Testing via a Mosquito Vector in Punta Gorda, Florida A report from The New England Journal of Medicine reveals that one of the first outbreaks of chronic fatigue syndrome was in Punta Gorda, Florida, back in 1957.10 It was a strange coincidence that a week before these people came down with chronic fatigue syndrome, there was a huge influx of mosquitoes. The National Institutes of Health claimed that the mosquitoes came from a forest fire 30 miles away. The truth is that those mosquitoes were infected in Canada by Dr Guilford B. Reed at Queen's University. They were bred in Belleville, Ontario, and taken down to Punta Gorda and released there. Within a week, the first five cases ever of chronic fatigue syndrome were reported to the local clinic in Punta Gorda. The cases kept coming until finally 450 people were ill with the disease. Testing via Mosquito Vector in Ontario The Government of Canada had established the Dominion Parasite Laboratory in Belleville, Ontario, where it raised 100 million mosquitoes a month. These were shipped to Queen's University and certain other facilities to be infected with this crystalline disease agent. The mosquitoes were then let loose in certain communities in the middle of the night, so that the researchers could determine how many people would become ill with chronic fatigue syndrome or fibromyalgia, which was the first disease to show. One of the communities they tested it on was the St Lawrence Seaway valley, all the way from Kingston to Cornwall, in 1984. They let out hundreds of millions of infected mosquitoes. Over 700 people in the next four or five weeks developed myalgic encephalomyelitis, or chronic fatigue syndrome. IV – COVERT TESTING OF OTHER DISEASE AGENTS Mad Cow Disease/Kuru/ CJD in the Fore Tribe Before and during World War II, at the infamous Camp 731 in Manchuria, the Japanese military contaminated prisoners of war with certain disease agents. They also established a research camp in New Guinea in 1942. There they experimented upon the Fore Indian tribe and inoculated them with a minced-up version of the brains of diseased sheep containing the visna virus which causes "mad cow disease" or Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease. About five or six years later, after the Japanese had been driven out, the poor people of the Fore tribe developed what they called kuru, which was their word for "wasting", and they began to shake, lose their appetites and die. The autopsies revealed that their brains had literally turned to mush. They had contracted "mad cow disease" from the Japanese experiments. When World War II ended, Dr Ishii Shiro--the medical doctor who was commissioned as a General in the Japanese Army so he could take command of Japan's biological warfare development, testing and deployment-- was captured. He was given the choice of a job with the United States Army or execution as a war criminal. Not surprisingly, Dr Ishii Shiro chose to work with the US military to demonstrate how the Japanese had created mad cow disease in the Fore Indian tribe. In 1957, when the disease was beginning to blossom in full among the Fore people, Dr Carleton Gajdusek of the US National Institutes of Health headed to New Guinea to determine how the minced-up brains of the visna-infected sheep affected them. He spent a couple of years there, studying the Fore people, and wrote an extensive report. He won the Nobel Prize for "discovering" kuru disease in the Fore tribe. Testing Carcinogens over Winnipeg, Manitoba (CHEMTRAILS) In 1953, the US Government asked the Canadian Government if it could test a chemical over the city of Winnipeg. It was a big city with 500,000 people, miles from anywhere. The American military sprayed this carcinogenic chemical in a 1,000% - attenuated form, which they said would be so watered down that nobody would get very sick; however, if people came to clinics with a sniffle, a sore throat or ringing in their ears, the researchers would be able to determine what percentage would have developed cancer if the chemical had been used at full strength. We located evidence that the Americans had indeed tested this carcinogenic chemical--zinc cadmium sulphide--over Winnipeg in 1953. We wrote to the Government of Canada, explaining that we had solid evidence of the spraying and asking that we be informed as to how high up in the government the request for permission to spray had gone. We did not receive a reply. Shortly after, the Pentagon held a press conference on May 14, 1997, where they admitted what they had done. Robert Russo, writing for the Toronto Star11 from Washington, DC, reported the Pentagon's admission that in 1953 it had obtained permission from the Canadian Government to fly over the city of Winnipeg and spray out this chemical--which sifted down on kids going to school, housewives hanging out their laundry and people going to work. US Army planes and trucks released the chemical 36 times between July and August 1953. The Pentagon got its statistics, which indicated that if the chemical released had been full strength, approximately a third of the population of Winnipeg would have developed cancers over the next five years. One professor, Dr Hugh Fudenberg, MD, twice nominated for the Nobel Prize, wrote a magazine article stating that the Pentagon came clean on this because two researchers in Sudbury, Ontario--Don Scott and his son, Bill Scott-- had been revealing this to the public. However, the legwork was done by other researchers! The US Army actually conducted a series of simulated germ warfare tests over Winnipeg. The Pentagon lied about the tests to the mayor, saying that they were testing a chemical fog over the city, which would protect Winnipeg in the event of a nuclear attack. A report commissioned by US Congress, chaired by Dr Rogene Henderson, lists 32 American towns and cities used as test sites as well. V – BRUCELLA MYCOPLASMA AND DISEASE AIDS The AIDS pathogen was created out of a Brucella bacterium mutated with a visna virus; then the toxin was removed as a DNA particle called a mycoplasma. They used the same mycoplasma to develop disabling diseases like MS, Crohn's colitis, Lyme disease, etc. In the previously mentioned US congressional document of a meeting held on June 9, 1969,12 the Pentagon delivered a report to Congress about biological weapons. The Pentagon stated: "We are continuing to develop disabling weapons." Dr MacArthur, who was in charge of the research, said: "We are developing a new lethal weapon, a synthetic biological agent that does not naturally exist, and for which no natural immunity could have been acquired." Think about it. If you have a deficiency of acquired immunity, you have an acquired immunity deficiency. Plain as that. AIDS. In laboratories throughout the United States and in a certain number in Canada including at the University of Alberta, the US Government provided the leadership for the development of AIDS for the purpose of population control. After the scientists had perfected it, the government sent medical teams from the Centers for Disease Control-- under the direction of Dr Donald A. Henderson, their investigator into the 1957 chronic fatigue epidemic in Punta Gorda--during 1969 to 1971 to Africa and some countries such as India, Nepal and Pakistan where they thought the population was becoming too large.13 They gave them all a free vaccination against smallpox; but five years after receiving this vaccination, 60% of those inoculated were suffering from AIDS. They tried to blame it on a monkey, which is nonsense. A professor at the University of Arkansas made the claim that while studying the tissues of a dead chimpanzee she found traces of HIV. The chimpanzee that she had tested was born in the United States 23 years earlier. It had lived its entire life in a US military laboratory where it was used as an experimental animal in the development of these diseases. When it died, its body was shipped to a storage place where it was deep-frozen and stored in case they wanted to analyse it later. Then they decided that they didn't have enough space for it, so they said, "Anybody want this dead chimpanzee?" and this researcher from Arkansas said: "Yes. Send it down to the University of Arkansas. We are happy to get anything that we can get." They shipped it down and she found HIV in it. That virus was acquired by that chimpanzee in the laboratories where it was tested.14 Chronic Fatigue Syndrome/ Myalgic Encephalomyelitis Chronic fatigue syndrome is more accurately called myalgic encephalomyelitis. The chronic fatigue syndrome nomenclature was given by the US National Institutes of Health because it wanted to downgrade and belittle the disease. An MRI scan of the brain of a teenage girl with chronic fatigue syndrome displayed a great many scars or punctate lesions in the left frontal lobe area where portions of the brain had literally dissolved and been replaced by scar tissue. This caused cognitive impairment, memory impairment, etc. And what was the cause of the scarring? The mycoplasma. So there is very concrete physical evidence of these tragic diseases, even though doctors continue to say they don't know where it comes from or what they can do about it. Many people with chronic fatigue syndrome, myalgic encephalo-myelitis and fibromyalgia who apply to the Canada Pensions Plan Review Tribunal will be turned down because they cannot prove that they are ill. During 1999 I conducted several appeals to Canada Pensions and the Workers Compensation Board (WCB, now the Workplace Safety and Insurance Board) on behalf of people who have been turned down. I provided documented evidence of these illnesses, and these people were all granted their pensions on the basis of the evidence that I provided. In March 1999, for example, I appealed to the WCB on behalf of a lady with fibromyalgia who had been denied her pension back in 1993. The vice-chairman of the board came to Sudbury to hear the appeal, and I showed him a number of documents which proved that this lady was physically ill with fibromyalgia. It was a disease that caused physical damage, and the disease agent was a mycoplasma. The guy listened for three hours, and then he said to me: "Mr Scott, how is it I have never heard of any of this before? I said: "We brought a top authority in this area into Sudbury to speak on this subject and not a single solitary doctor came to that presentation. " VI – TESTING FOR MYCOPLASMA IN YOUR BODY Polymerase Chain Reaction Test Information is not generally available about this agent because, first of all, the mycoplasma is such a minutely small disease agent. A hundred years ago, certain medical theoreticians conceived that there must be a form of disease agent smaller than bacteria and viruses. This pathogenic organism, the mycoplasma, is so minute that normal blood and tissue tests will not reveal its presence as the source of the disease. Your doctor may diagnose you with Alzheimer's disease, and he will say: "Golly, we don't know where Alzheimer's comes from. All we know is that your brain begins to deteriorate, cells rupture, the myelin sheath around the nerves dissolves, and so on." Or if you have chronic fatigue syndrome, the doctor will not be able to find any cause for your illness with ordinary blood and tissue tests. This mycoplasma couldn't be detected until about 30 years ago when the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test was developed, in which a sample of your blood is examined and damaged particles are removed and subjected to a polymerase chain reaction. This causes the DNA in the particles to break down. The particles are then placed in a nutrient, which causes the DNA to grow back into its original form. If enough of the substance is produced, the form can be recognized, so it can be determined whether Brucella or another kind of agent is behind that particular mycoplasma. Blood Test If you or anybody in your family has myalgic encephalomyelitis, fibromyalgia, multiple sclerosis or Alzheimer's, you can send a blood sample to Dr Les Simpson in New Zealand for testing. If you are ill with these diseases, your red blood cells will not be normal doughnut- shaped blood cells capable of being compressed and squeezed through the capillaries, but will swell up like cherry-filled doughnuts which cannot be compressed. The blood cells become enlarged and distended because the only way the mycoplasma can exist is by uptaking pre- formed sterols from the host cell. One of the best sources of pre- formed sterols is cholesterol, and cholesterol is what gives your blood cells flexibility. If the cholesterol is taken out by the mycoplasma, the red blood cell swells up and doesn't go through, and the person begins to feel all the aches and pains and all the damage it causes to the brain, the heart, the stomach, the feet and the whole body because blood and oxygen are cut off. And that is why people with fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome have such a terrible time. When the blood is cut off from the brain, punctate lesions appear because those parts of the brain die. The mycoplasma will get into portions of the heart muscle, especially the left ventricle, and those cells will die. Certain people have cells in the lateral ventricles of the brain that have a genetic predisposition to admit the mycoplasma, and this causes the lateral ventricles to deteriorate and die. This leads to multiple sclerosis, which will progress until these people are totally disabled; frequently, they die prematurely. The mycoplasma will get into the lower bowel, parts of which will die, thus causing colitis. All of these diseases are caused by the degenerating properties of the mycoplasma. In early 2000, a gentleman in Sudbury phoned me and told me he had fibromyalgia. He applied for a pension and was turned down because his doctor said it was all in his head and there was no external evidence. I gave him the proper form and a vial, and he sent his blood to Dr Simpson to be tested. He did this with his family doctor's approval, and the results from Dr Simpson showed that only 4% of his red blood cells were functioning normally and carrying the appropriate amount of oxygen to his poor body, whereas 83% were distended, enlarged and hardened, and wouldn't go through the capillaries without an awful lot of pressure and trouble. This is the physical evidence of the damage that is done. ECG Test You can also ask your doctor to give you a 24-hour Holter ECG. You know, of course, that an electrocardiogram is a measure of your heartbeat and shows what is going on in the right ventricle, the left ventricle and so on. Tests show that 100% of patients with chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia have an irregular heartbeat. At various periods during the 24 hours, the heart, instead of working happily away going "bump-BUMP, bump-BUMP", every now and again goes "buhbuhbuhbuhbuhbuh buhbuhbuh" . The T-wave (the waves are called P, Q, R, S and T) is normally a peak, and then the wave levels off and starts with the P-wave again. In chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia patients, the T-wave flattens off, or actually inverts. That means the blood in the left ventricle is not being squeezed up through the aorta and around through the body. My client from Sudbury had this test done and, lo and behold, the results stated: "The shape of T and S-T suggests left ventricle strain pattern, although voltage and so on is normal." The doctor had no clue as to why the T-wave was not working properly. I analysed the report of this patient who had been turned down by Canada Pensions and sent it back to them. They wrote back, saying: "It looks like we may have made a mistake. We are going to give you a hearing and you can explain this to us in more detail." So it is not all in your imagination. There is actual physical damage to the heart. The left ventricle muscles do show scarring. That is why many people are diagnosed with a heart condition when they first develop fibromyalgia, but it's only one of several problems because the mycoplasma can do all kinds of damage. Blood Volume Test You can also ask your doctor for a blood volume test. Every human being requires a certain amount of blood per pound of body weight, and it has been observed that people with fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, multiple sclerosis and other illnesses do not have the normal blood volume their body needs to function properly. Doctors aren't normally aware of this. This test measures the amount of blood in the human body by taking out 5 cc, putting a tracer in it and then putting it back into the body. One hour later, take out 5 cc again and look for the tracer. The thicker the blood and the lower the blood volume, the more tracer you will find. The analysis of one of my clients stated: "This patient was referred for red cell mass study. The red cell volume is 16.9 ml per kg of body weight. The normal range is 25 to 35 ml per kg. This guy has 36% less blood in his body than the body needs to function." And the doctor hadn't even known the test existed. If you lost 36% of your blood in an accident, do you think your doctor would tell you that you are alright and should just take up line dancing and get over it? They would rush you to the nearest hospital and start transfusing you with blood. These tragic people with these awful diseases are functioning with anywhere from 7% to 50% less blood than their body needs to function. (Dr. David Webster at Sudbury General Hospital, a wonderful person, with whom I have had conversations about these awful diseases can tell your doctor about the Blood Volume test.) VII – UNDOING THE DAMAGE The body undoes the damage itself. The scarring in the brain of people with chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia will be repaired. There is cellular repair going on all the time. But the mycoplasma has moved on to the next cell. In the early stages of a disease, doxycycline may reverse that disease process. It is one of the tetracycline antibiotics, but it is not bactericidal; it is bacteriostatic- -it stops the growth of the mycoplasma. And if the mycoplasma growth can be stopped for long enough, then the immune system takes over. Doxycycline treatment is discussed in a paper by mycoplasma expert Professor Garth Nicholson, PhD, of the Institute for Molecular Medicine.15 Dr Nicholson is involved in a US$8-million mycoplasma research program funded by the US military and headed by Dr Charles Engel of the NIH. The program is studying Gulf War veterans, 450 of them, because there is evidence to suggest that Gulf War syndrome is another illness (or set of illnesses) caused by mycoplasma. Endnotes: 1. "Pathogenic Mycoplasma", US Patent No. 5,242,820, issued September 7, 1993. Dr Lo is listed as the "Inventor" and the American Registry of Pathology, Washington, DC, is listed as the "Assignee". 2. "Special Virus Cancer Program: Progress Report No. 8", prepared by the National Cancer Institute, Viral Oncology, Etiology Area, July 1971, submitted to NIH Annual Report in May 1971 and updated July 1971. 3. US Senate, Ninety-fifth Congress, Hearings before the Subcommittee on Health and Scientific Research of the Committee on Human Resources, Biological Testing Involving Human Subjects by the Department of Defense, 1977; released as US Army Activities in the US Biological Warfare Programs, Volumes One and Two, 24 February 1977. 4. Dr Donald MacArthur, Pentagon, Department of Defense Appropriations for 1970, Hearings before Subcommittee of the Committee on Appropriations, House of Representatives, Ninety-First Congress, First Session, Monday June 9, 1969, pp 105&endash;144, esp. pp. 114, 129. 5. Kyger, E. R. and Russell L. Haden, "Brucellosis and Multiple Sclerosis", The American Journal of Medical Sciences 1949:689-693. 6. Colmonero et al., "Complications Associated with Brucella melitensis Infection: A Study of 530 Cases", Medicine 1996;75(4). 7. Howell, Miller, Kelly and Bookman, "Acute Brucellosis Among Laboratory Workers", New England Journal of Medicine 1948;236:741. 8. "Special Virus Cancer Program: Progress Report No. 8", ibid., table 4, p. 135. 9. US Senate, Hearings before the Subcommittee on Health and Scientific Research of the Committee on Human Resources, March 8 and May 23, 1977, ibid. 10. New England Journal of Medicine, August 22, 1957, p. 362. 11. Toronto Star, May 15, 1997. 12. Dr Donald MacArthur, Pentagon, Department of Defense Appropriations for 1970, Hearings, Monday June 9, 1969, ibid., p. 129. 13. Henderson, Donald A., "Smallpox: Epitaph for a Killer", National Geographic, December 1978, p. 804. 14. Blum, Deborah, The Monkey Wars, Oxford University Press, New York, 1994. 15. Nicholson, G. L., "Doxycycline treatment and Desert Storm", JAMA 1995;273:618- 619. Recommended Reading: ¥ Horowitz, Leonard, Emerging Viruses: Aids and Ebola, Tetrahedron Publishing, USA, 1996. ¥ Johnson, Hillary, Osler's Web, Crown Publishers, New York, 1996. ¥ Scott, Donald W. and William L. C. Scott, The Brucellosis Triangle, The Chelmsford Publishers (Box 133, Stat. B., Sudbury, Ontario P3E 4N5), Canada, 1998 (US$21.95 + $3 s&h in US). ¥ Scott, Donald W. and William L. C. Scott, The Extremely Unfortunate Skull Valley Incident, The Chelmsford Publishers, Canada, 1996 (revised, extended edition available from mid-September 2001; US$16.00 pre-pub. price + US$3 s&h in US). ¥ The Journal of Degenerative Diseases (Donald W. Scott, Editor), The Common Cause Medical Research Foundation (Box 133, Stat B., Sudbury, Ontario, P3E 4N5), Canada (quarterly journal; annual subscription: US$25.00 in USA, $30 foreign). Additional Contacts: ¥ Ms Jennie Burke, Australian Biologics, Level 6, 383 Pitt Street, Sydney NSW 2000, Australia tel +61 (0)2 9283 0807, fax +61 (0)2 9283 0910. Australian Biologics does tests for mycoplasma. ¥ Consumer Health Organization of Canada, 1220 Sheppard Avenue East #412, Toronto, Ontario, Canada M2K 2S5, tel +1 (416) 490 0986, website www.consumerhealth. org/. ¥ Professor Garth Nicholson, PhD, Institute for Molecular Medicine, 15162 Triton Lane, Huntington Beach, CA, 92649-1401, USA, tel +1 (714) 903 2900. ¥ Dr Les Simpson, Red Blood Cell Research Ltd, 31 Bath Street, Dunedin, 9001, New Zealand, tel +64 (0)3 471 8540, email rbc.research. limited@xtra. co.nz. (Note: Dr Simpson directs his study to red cell shape analysis, not the mycoplasma hypothesis.) ¥ The Mycoplasma Registry for Gulf War Illness, S. & L. Dudley, 303 47th St, J-10 San Diego, CA 92102-5961, tel/fax +1 (619) 266 1116, fax (619) 266 1116, email mycoreg@juno.com . About the Author: Donald Scott, MA, MSc, is a retired high school teacher and university professor. He is also a veteran of WWII and was awarded the North Atlantic Star, the Burma Star with Clasp, the 1939–1945 Volunteer Service Medal and the Victory Medal. He is currently President of The Common Cause Medical Research Foundation, a not-for- profit organisation devoted to research into neurosystemic degenerative diseases. He is also Adjunct Professor with the Institute for Molecular Medicine and he produces and edits the Journal of Degenerative Diseases. He has extensively researched neurosystemic degenerative diseases over the past five years and has authored many documents on the relationship between degenerative diseases and a pathogenic mycoplasma called Mycoplasma fermentans. His research is based upon solid government evidence. CONTACT: Donald Scott 190 Mountain St. Ste. 405, Sudbury, Ontario, Canada P3B 4G2. 705-670-0180. --------------- His closing words were.......... "I tested positive for this in 2000, one year after I went public about chemtrails in Vancouver Canada with William Thomas - It was a sample I had collected for him of my own accord that landed me in a hospital in three days almost unable to breathe at all. I was there for weeks and barely made it out alive. I insisted that the Dr at the Peace Arch hospital test me for "micoplasma incognito", and he was shocked I had it as I was never in the "Gulf war". I said, "Pretty soon, we'll all have this." (He seemed a bit scared that I might be right and ran off about his more normal duties, afraid to speak another word about my case.) The future is totally uncertain, but the facts are right here. Use them well." ******************************* Tez Last edited by Tez; 12-11-2008 at 07:00 AM. |
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Tez,
I read your work. Wonderful job but its a grim story. My aunt has Fibromyalgia, my cousin has ms, my father died of a sudden massive corronary, so did one of our neighbors. Both at 62. I had what I thought to be pneumonia for one whole fall and winter and my heart does that thing you mentioned. We all live in Michigan. The chemtrails were pretty severe here starting in the 90's and now they spray at night so as to not be photographed. I am so disgusted I cannot even say. Im wondering if my aunt and cousin can be reversed? My cousin is advanced, so sad. My aunt was just diagnosed with hers. They both have american indian blood. Great great grandma was a full blood Cherokee. I think it kills these people quicker than full or part arians. Just my observation from my poor family. Im adopted but do have some american Indian in me, but not as much as per my appearance and recovery. Im not as good as I was but not full blown as they are either. At least I dont think so. Last edited by MMe M; 12-11-2008 at 08:02 AM. |
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I woke up to a sky full of chemtrails today on the first blue sky day we've had in weeks. Pretty p***d off about it too.
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FYI -- on another forum (earthboppin), a lot of people are reporting blurry vision....and that's from florida to california.
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I know it's hard to make the connection. sure wish some high level chemtrail perps would step forward and become whistleblowers. hope you feel better.
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I have a hard time believing this chemtrail theory. The way I see it, if its true, "they" would be spraying themselves, their water supply, their food supply, thier kids and thier kids an.....
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if you are aware of the toxins that are being sprayed, you can protect your self a lot better with detoxification and immune system sustainability. you think the folks that are flying those UN planes around know what they are doing, but you might be surprised by that assumption. but if they do know... to keep your BODY out survival mode, cellularly, it would be a great idea to detox specifically for heavy metals a few times a year. their are brain detox methods as well, and to decalcify your pineal gland from the fluoride in the water and food supply wouldn't be such a bad idea either. if a society has healthy minds, i think we will start acting like a healthy mind. remember, this depopulation plan is laid out in the document IRON MOUNTAIN. that is a government document. this is not been carried out on a whim, it has been meticulously planned. |
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Huey and Dan... I would love to hear your thoughts on what you may think these 'trails' are... Clearly they are NOT regular commercial jet planes... So what do you think they may be? Just curious, as I have been researching them for over a year and would love some answers myself.
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Google rocks...
In a nutshell this guy makes sense.... Six Reasons why "Chemtrails" are a Hoax I first heard about "chemtrails" about five years ago, from an individual on a pre-Y2k preparedness forum. About six months later, I logged onto one of the chemtrail forums, and followed many links, evaluating both pro-chemtrail and anti-chemtrail research. I have also talked to many people about these phenomena, including meteorologists, commercial airplane pilots/crew, and other aerospace engineers with direct experience with large fixed-wing aircraft. I came to conclusions that I would like to discuss below; but first, I'd like to tell you about me, because it may (or may not) give you some insights as to why I believe what I do. First, I want to emphasize that I do not speak for, or act as an agent for, my employer, The Boeing Company, in any way, shape, or form. My views are completely my own and do not necessarily reflect the views on anyone else at Boeing. As a matter of fact, I doubt if most of my colleagues have even heard of chemtrails. However, with thirty years in the aerospace/defense business, experience as a pilot (small aircraft only) and a habit of reading a lot, I hope that my views have something to back them up. Okay, here's my read on the view that some contrails are more than normal jet engine exhaust: It's completely bogus. The idea that long-lasting contrails are anything other than normal contrails, in my belief, fails on six counts: 1. The existence of a huge and sinister plot is completely lacking in evidence. 2. The logistics of a massive spraying program would be an order of magnitude higher than the Manhattan Project, the Apollo Moon Landing, or the Vietnam War -- and simply could not be hidden from any oversight. 3. There is no evidence whatsoever of aircraft modified to perform some of the spraying methodologies that are proposed. 4. Anecdotal "evidence" of any illnesses caused by contrails is not backed up by any reliable data (and is actually contradicted by others). 5. There has never been any evidence of anyone collecting some of this "chemtrail" material in situ, having it tested by any reputable laboratory, and presented to anyone. 6. Every characteristic of chemtrails can be just as logically and rationally explained by normal contrails under normal (but differentiating) atmospheric conditions. Now let's look at those counts in a bit more detail. (1) The existence of a huge and sinister plot is completely lacking in evidence. The President; Congress; SecDef; Director of the FAA; the entire command structure of the various armed services; every military man or woman who flies, maintains, fuels, and overhauls aircraft; every commercial pilot and crew member; every meteorologist; and every aerospace engineer who builds, sells, modifies, or maintains the entire fleet of worldwide commercial aircraft comprise a group of about half a million people. Every one of them would have to be in on the plot. And in the X number of years that this "chemtrail" stuff has been going on, NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM has come out and said anything about it! What is the chance of a plot that requires the help of a half-million people being secret for more than six milliseconds? Zero. As a matter of fact, there is no evidence of any sort of plot of any kind by the Bilderbergers, Illuminati, International Zionists, CFR, NWO, the International House of Pancakes, or anyone else. Is our government corrupt and immoral? I believe so. Is the UN controlled by a bunch of socialist third-world losers with their hands out for the US to feed them and fight their wars for them? I think so, too. But that does NOT mean that they are heading a huge, secret, centuries-old plot to have the Black Helicopters Manned By Crack Bolivian Troops In Blue Berets Haul Us Off To The Secret Concentration Camps In Roachspit, Texas Where We Will Be Forced To Knit UN Flags And Eat Ebola-Burgers. It just means that they're crooks! So what else is new? (2) The logistics of a massive spraying program. In order to have the massive worldwide spraying that the chemtrail-protagonists talk about would require thousands of aircraft, flying 24/7 shifts, with the additional support infrastructure, a bazillion pilots and ground crew, and the combined efforts of every employee at Boeing, Lockheed-Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon, and even Airbus Industrie. It isn't there. (3) There is no evidence whatsoever of aircraft modified to perform some of the spraying methodologies that are proposed. The only things I have ever seen on an aircraft that shoot things out (besides the engine exhaust) is the toilet and the fuel dump orifices, often at the wing tip. If the aircraft are squirting chemicals out of the fuel dump nozzles, what's in the fuel tanks? Poisonous chemicals? Huh-uh. (One exception to this is a military version of a civilian aircraft called TACAMO, a Navy variant of the AWACS aircraft. It has these oddball nozzles near the base of the wings. But they're still fuel-dump nozzles; they've merely been moved inboard because the TACAMO has reconnaissance pods at the wingtips, and they don't want to jettison JP-8 over the million-dollar electronics.) Bear in mind that you don't just strap in a couple of big tanks and poke the nozzles out through the aircraft fuselage. There are VERY stringent engineering details to be worked out regarding structural integrity, movable center of gravity, environmental protection for the crew and poison-loaders, etc. Almost all major mods to an aircraft are done under subsequent contract to the original builder. Since no one at Boeing knows anything about such mods (and I've asked around) this means it either wasn't done, or everyone else (but me) in the company is in on the secret. Huh-uh. (4) Anecdotal "evidence" of any illnesses caused by contrails is not backed up. One of the hypotheses of "chemtrails" is that they're toxic/infectious/bad juju. Various people report that they came down with flu-like symptoms after a heavy "spray day". As someone who does a lot of travel (domestic and international), I've flown out of a lot of airports and through a lot of other aircraft's contrails over the past five years. If the poison-chemtrail hypothesis had any merit, there would be tons of sick passengers crawling off the 0900 shuttle to LAX; I've never seen 'em, nor has anyone I've talked with. If there is some weird residue in the contrails other than water with traces of JP-8, you'd see aircraft taxiing into the concourse with some sort of crud over the leading edges. I've never seen any of that, nor has anyone I've talked with. One possible explanation for those flu-like symptoms? Flu. There's tons of it going around, and it's been that way since 1918. (5) There has never been any evidence of anyone collecting some of this "chemtrail" material in situ, having it tested by any reputable laboratory, and presented to anyone. With all the interest in this crud, why hasn't anyone ever flown up to a "chemtrail", sampled some of the stuff, and brought it back to a reputable lab for test and reported on it? One site purporting to talk about a laboratory testing a sample told how some individual scraped "something" off the side of a house, and sent it to one of the chemtrail protagonists. This individual sent it to a laboratory where he says they reported it had some bacteria in it. But then the individual says the lab "changed its mind" and said there was nothing wrong. Not only that, but our friend said he would not tell us the name of either the lab or the investigator because of ... of... something or other. That sure raises a credibility issue to me! Another researcher says he has the information, but he wants to be "compensated" for all the work he's put in before he tells us his tale. Puh-leez! If there were just one case of someone with any credibility collecting some of this junk before it falls to the earth and gets worms on it, then sends it to a lab where objective individuals can review it under open conditions and publish their findings, that might lend a bit more credence to the whole chemtrail business. I'm waiting, but I don't think I'll skip dinner. (6) Every characteristic of chemtrails can be just as logically and rationally explained by normal contrails under normal (but differentiating) atmospheric conditions. But first, let�s take a minute and discuss what contrails are, anyway. Contrails happen when the water vapor from the jet�s exhaust freezes into an ice cloud. If the temperature is at or below �40 degrees and the relative humidity is at a hundred percent or greater, then the ice cloud will stay frozen, and even act as a nucleus for other ice clouds to form around. This is why sometimes a contrail will �spread� to form larger clouds. If you have enough aircraft flying and making contrails, and the atmospheric conditions at that altitude are �proper� for contrail formation and persistence, then you can have the entire sky covered with thin clouds. If the temperature is above minus forty degrees or less than 100% relative humidity, then the ice crystals will sublime (turn back into gas without going through a liquid phase, like dry ice) in about a minute or less and the contrails will disappear. This increased cloud cover, by the way, can have serious long-term effects, when you think about it. More cloud cover means cooler days (because the clouds block the sunlight coming in during the day) and warmer nights (because the clouds block the heat radiating out into space at night). This �diurnal temperature delta� or the difference between day and night temperatures, could have some long-term effects, because most plants and animals in a particular environment have adapted to a temperature difference of so many degrees. When this figure is left, the plants and animals might not be able to thrive. So when you put it this way, contrails can have a possible bad effect on the environment. But that�s not what the chemtrail-believers are talking about. Now to the �weird chemtrails�: �Dashed� contrails? Sometimes you�ll see contrails that start and stop, just like dashed lines. Some Chemtrail-believers say that such things are �proof� of chemtrails, because the start and stop contrails are the result of the �spray nozzles� getting stuck or something. Now does it seem kind of odd to you that a powerful gang running secret plot which includes a million people can�t seem to be able to keep a simple on-off nozzle working? Actually, the reasons that you have start-and-stop contrails is because the atmosphere is not constant and smooth; it�s very turbulent (which is why we have clouds and wind). It�s pretty common to have one spot at, say, 35,000 feet where the temperature/humidity is at �40/100%, yet only a quarter mile away, the temperature�s a degree or so higher, or the humidity is a percentage point less. That�s enough to stop the contrail from persisting. And believe me, an aircraft flying at 550 miles per hour covers that quarter mile in just a couple of seconds! Circular contrails? Often, an airport may be backed up and the air traffic control folks might �stack up� aircraft in a circular holding pattern for a half-hour (or even longer). If that plane�s flying in a circle at the proper temperature/humidity profile, you�ll see circular contrails. Two �side-by-side� contrails, one that dissipates in a matter of minutes, and the other which persists for hours? The chances are that they�re not side-by-side, but one is a thousand feet or more higher than another. When you�re looking at aircraft at a cruising altitude, you simply can�t tell which aircraft is closer. You have no frame of reference except the sky, and besides six miles high is just too far for us to have any kind of depth perception at all. �Tic-tac-toe� contrails? No matter where you live in the continental United States, you are probably within view of at least one North-South and one East-West air corridor. So you might be seeing three aircraft on the DFW (Dallas/Fort Worth to LAX (Los Angeles International) corridor and four from Phoenix Sky Harbor to Seattle-Tacoma International corridor. These flights could be five minutes and two thousand feet apart, but if they�re high enough, you�ll see seven lines crossing � just like a tic-tac-toe. (you probably won�t see any X�s or O�s, though). Conclusion So why the big deal with "Chemtrails"? I think there're popular on the boards for several reasons. 1. Conspiracies are fun! If you think you know what they're REALLY doing, maybe it makes you feel more powerful and on the "inside". Only the "sheeple" believe all the government lies, where WE know better. You remember the sheeple, of course -- they were those poor fools who believed that Y2K was going to be, at worse, a bump in the road. Shows how dumb they were, right? 2. Most chemtrail conspiracy theorists simply don't know much about things that would help them to disbelieve such hypotheses: stuff like engineering, meteorology, government procurement, military force structure, etc. But most importantly, the most of these individuals simply don't understand how scientific investigation and research works. They confuse opinion with facts, equate hypotheses with theories, do not reason logically, engage in ad hominem arguments, cannot or will not read peer-reviewed journals --- the list goes on and on. Maybe I shouldn't get so exercised about the whole chemtrail business. In a way, it's like the belief in the Easter Bunny -- it keeps the folks happy; and as long as they don't try to shoot down a "chemtrail" plane, or assassinate or otherwise harass people who disagree with them, they're harmless. But there are so many important things in the world that I consider a real priority -- Government intrusion into our lives, a nutburg foreign and domestic policy, the chance that a natural disaster may justify all those old Y2K preps, the pollution of our atmosphere and destruction of our environment by hydrocarbon burning -- that I hate to think that well-meaning but naive people on these and other forums are wasting their time on what is no more than a silly and cruel hoax. |
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We saw a chemsprayer like the one in this link (pictures are not to reproduced) when traveling through Montana earlier this year. There can be no doubt when you see something like this with your own eyes. How would you that doubt explaine a trail coming from no plane? Check out what we saw on this link. http://www.carnicom.com/anomalies1.htm I really was astonished. Seeing this stuff on the net here and there is different than actually seeing it live. Its sickening and a cold fear grips you when presented with the bald truth in your face.
Phil Schneider is dead today. Suicided by who? He reported an eyewitness account of tankers carrying toxic cargos, among other things. The governments history regarding testing horendously cruel substances should not be in question by anyone reading material here whatsoever. They have admited to much, so there is obviously much more they still hide to this day.http://www.geocities.com/athens/oracle/4809/gov.html Unless of course those that work for those agencies have been sent to plant doubts by referencing their own planted dis-info on the net. Like weve never seen that before?  Chem trails are also explained away in school text books as weather modification in the fight of global warming. We ALL know that to be a huge sham. Gore should be tried for treason and made to give back the nobel prize and monetary awards associated with it. See it here http://www.willthomas.net/chemtrails...US_Schools.htm This isnt a private school text book. It was bought and paid for by tax dollars in government public school. And the govrnment cannot admit to the ones paying the taxes that indeed they are spraying. Only seventh graders may have an explanation. Not truth but a admital all the same. Deny it now. |
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Been observing/reserching them for a long time..
Chemtrails are indeed real ... Theres a HUGE difference between contrails and chemtrails.. interestingly also a huge difference in those that see(know) them and those that dont. Chemtrails are a WAR CRIME ON A HUGE SCALE! never seen before since the beginning of THIS civilisation. Chemtrails are multi purpose... , those that are behind them are 500 years ahead in technology and know common man much better than they know themselves.. They don't affect all people the same , and some don't get affected at all (at present)..don't know why... ,those dead microbiologists might have the answers, the ones alive ain't talkin  .De-evolution through genetic manipulation (attacking body, mind, spirit) is the aim in their desperate attempt to keep control and puppeteer humanity. There is also a electromagnetic aspect to this ...(you have an aura) H.A.R.R.P. isn't just for weather control !!!....  In the end their wasting their time ! Glad I dont exist in your little nutshell hueyii . By the way hueyii where did you cut and paste that from ,, chemtrail debunkers bible 101 ?? This picture taken on the mobile 2/7/08 sydney ..... very windy day .haarp at play.... Last edited by misfit; 12-13-2008 at 09:36 AM. |
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also this one.
there are some seriously wierd type haarp cloud manipulation here in Adelaide , there not spraying as thick as last year I noticed . Phone camera broke ,,doh!,,,wish i could afford a digi .. Last edited by misfit; 12-12-2008 at 09:29 AM. |
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Did you folks even read a logical explanation of how it could not be true that we are being sprayed?
1) The existence of a huge and sinister plot is completely lacking in evidence. The President; Congress; SecDef; Director of the FAA; the entire command structure of the various armed services; every military man or woman who flies, maintains, fuels, and overhauls aircraft; every commercial pilot and crew member; every meteorologist; and every aerospace engineer who builds, sells, modifies, or maintains the entire fleet of worldwide commercial aircraft comprise a group of about half a million people. Every one of them would have to be in on the plot. And in the X number of years that this "chemtrail" stuff has been going on, NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM has come out and said anything about it! What is the chance of a plot that requires the help of a half-million people being secret for more than six milliseconds? Zero. |
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Hi huyeii,
I think I can solve the "half million person" conspiracy problem w/ one word: compartmentalization. I know you'd like concrete proof but it's not that easy. Everyone involved has something at stake and how much depends on thier level of knowledge. It's good to be skeptical, but at some point you have to realize that the highest standards of proof you seek will always leave you wanting especially in this field. That's not to say stop looking though, you just have to aim low and then build from there. The people at the bottom who know the least (but still a bit) are usually the most trustworthy imo, and at least a good place to start. There are people (mostly at low levels) who have spoken about what little they have found out through their small window, like this mechanic. Quote:
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Re: Chemtrails in action??
Hey Raul,
It's a theory (compartmentalisation) that logically makes sense, but I give it weight in my rationalisation. To me there are other factors that outweigh it. Consider the logistical challenge and costs of mass spraying or even the cost. Keep in mind the airlines are in trouble and cannot afford this. There are no secret planes doing it either. No matter what planes you are using, you would need to file a flight plan. Even the military does this. Believing that chemtrails are real requires belief that air traffic controllers are in on it and keeping silent about suspicious flight plans. I know an air traffic controller, an airforce pilot and an airline pilot that pointed this out to me. After listening to them I felt pretty dumb. There are an enormous number of variables not addressed by this theory. What about the weight of the planes with alleged chemical tanks filled? Cancelled flights? Rerouting for weather? There is no evidence whatsoever of aircraft modified to perform some of the spraying methodologies that are proposed. The only things on an aircraft that shoot things out (besides the engine exhaust) is the toilet and the fuel dump orifices, often at the wing tip. If the aircraft are squirting chemicals out of the fuel dump nozzles, what's in the fuel tanks? Poisonous chemicals? (One exception to this is a military version of a civilian aircraft called TACAMO, a Navy variant of the AWACS aircraft. It has these oddball nozzles near the base of the wings. But they're still fuel-dump nozzles; they've merely been moved inboard because the TACAMO has reconnaissance pods at the wingtips, and they don't want to jettison JP-8 over the million-dollar electronics.) If they were using the human waste dump orifices then they would beed to install devices to aerosolize the chemicals and tell the pilots where to release. If it were a passenger airplane it could not spray in a checkerboard pattern because they are on a timetable to get from point a to point b. Bear in mind that you don't just strap in a couple of big tanks and poke the nozzles out through the aircraft fuselage. There are VERY stringent engineering details to be worked out regarding structural integrity, calibration of instruments, movable center of gravity, who/when chemicals are loaded, flight plans that are not suspect, environmental protection for the crew and poison-loaders, trainiung of pilots, wiring for the release mechanism in the cockpit etc. etc. etc. Airplane exhaust is poisonous itself. More poisonous that auto exhaust. It contributes to respiratory and other medical problems. THAT is something to worry about, not a conspiracy "theory" that cannot be rationalized. More important things to focus on these days. Economy, war, disease, environment. Focus on things you can help affect change with. Peace to you and thanks for the dialogue. |
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12-12-2008, 09:05 PM
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You are clearly on a failing mission. Your a$$ is showng. We arent buying so why are you still trying? Nothing is hidden as well as in plain sight. Were all well aware of that. |
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12-18-2008, 09:19 AM
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haaa ha ha , Love reading hueyiis logical and rational wisdom  Next hes gonna debunk the 9/11 so called conspiracies and logically and rationally explain Osama bin boxcutters, george bush, alpha bet agencies including mossads role in , relation to the war on TERRA!! in Iraq. word for word from the NWO 9/11 debunking 101 ! ....cut n paste! (dont forget explain how WTC 7 Ummm .... fell down....Ooops! and NORAD asleep...Pffftttt.) logic is limited by knowledge along with the sum total experience one allows their perception to be programmed with no common sence and INTUITION. basically a puppet, drone , pod person , sheeple !. Your aim is to keep people from awakening and thinking for themselves in your happy world of deception, greed and slavery ... Its your path ... Most will see the transparency in your posts , all will eventually ... Its inevitable. Thing is... Logical and rational will inevitably very soon cease to exist in this fake manufactured reality you try to project and protect. They are awakening!! and not even poison processed food, water , fake media , chemtrails or economic crisis will stop that ! Muuuuuuuuha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!! |
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