Active shooters in Las Vegas: 59 dead, 546 injured

[Hervé]

[...]
Whoever orchestrated this would have been smart enough to know that's exactly how it would all play out soon after the incident.
[...]
Jon Rappoport seems to be heading that way as well:

Vegas shooting: real vs. fake (https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2017/10/06/vegas-shooting-real-vs-fake/)

by Jon Rappoport (https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/author/jonrappoport/) Oct 6 (https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2017/10/06/vegas-shooting-real-vs-fake/), 2017

These are a few observations leading to a hypothesis.

First, there is a video (https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=deb_1507066797), taken at ground level, of a man going from victim to victim lying on the ground at the concert. He is checking their pulses, asking if they’re all right, calling for medical help. Notice the color of the blood on the ground and on the victims. It is a quite bright red. Would real bloodstains on the ground be that color, or would they be darker?

Next, there is the matter of how Stephen Paddock, the accused shooter, brought 23 weapons and ammo into the Mandalay Hotel and up to his suite.

He was a well-known high-stakes gambler. Hotel personnel surely knew him. They knew he lived in the Vegas area. Yet there he is with a number of suitcases—or over the course of a few days, he appears in the lobby with another suitcase or two each time.

These hotels are security-conscious to the max. No suspicion was aroused? And Paddock risked exposure to take weapons he would never use up to his suite?

Did Paddock bring in the weapons through another hotel entrance with the help of staff? Was this part of the operation an inside job?

Did he actually bring in all these weapons? Or was his hotel suite staged as a prop by others? Was it set up as a showcase for gun-control advocates who, after the fact, would push for new restrictive laws?

The photos of the hotel suite—when were they taken? In the immediate aftermath of the shooting? Where are the hundreds or thousands of shell casings that would have been ejected from the weapon(s)? The photos of the floor show very little brass. My understanding is these casings would have been quite hot. Where are all the burn marks on the carpet and furniture and walls?

This whole “hotel suite” scenario is very murky and needs much more investigation.

There are cell-phone videos taken at ground level at the concert, while you can hear automatic gunfire. A reader brings up an interesting point. Many of these shots would miss human targets. Instead, they would hit solid objects and either remain embedded or bounce. Where are the loud sounds, on the videos, of ricochets—not just a few sounds, but many.

Now here is a hypothesis. Obviously, it applies to more than just the Vegas shooting. In SOME of these events, we see a MIX of fake and real happenings. There are real victims and fake victims. This confusion and conflation of the fake and the real stimulate different and opposing lines of independent investigation.

Some say all the victims are fake. Others say all the victims are real. Both viewpoints tend to generalize from a few sets of facts.

The result? This is perfect for those who are actually behind the operation in the shadows, who want to engender false trails and dead ends and “unsolvable” anomalies.

And conflict among independent researchers who, after all, are the only real threat to the party line.

“Look, here is a group of obvious crisis actors. They’re fakes. Therefore, the whole event is a fake.”

“Here are real victims. Therefore, the whole event is real. There was nothing fake about it.”

Then, on top of this, the mainstream press, in its usual fashion, cherry picks the most far-out “conspiracy theories,” presents them, and says: “Look how ridiculous ALL these people are who question the official investigation.” Another generalization. A way to discredit all independent researchers.

When you think about it, the hypothesis I’m presenting is not strange at all. What do major media news broadcasts do? They mix real facts and fake facts. This is SOP. They mix and stir and derive bizarre conclusions that mislead the public.

“Real or fake” is not always the correct formulation, although that is what many people want to decide. “It must be black or white, yes or no, this or that.” We’re looking at a trap, we’re looking at many minds disposed to function in this fashion.

In certain cases, it can be “real and fake.”

And when it is, and when it’s intentional, it confuses people and they throw up their hands and walk away.

Which is the desired effect.

“Was the whole thing real or fake? I have to know.”

It was both.

Jon Rappoport

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A real "False Flag" event is designed to give off multiple yields - not just one - at many levels.

The apparent big booboo is this one which pegs most narratives and derived assumptions/theories as lies, fake news, coverups, etc... :



http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/10/02/17/44F42A0A00000578-4939872-image-a-2_1506960864341.jpg (http://82.221.129.208/supremelyweird.jpg)
This labels the 31st floor as it being the 32nd floor... just count 6 floors down the change in building design to find the "broken windows" floor... no broken windows to be seen!


Hence, no shooting from there, no muzzle flashes to be visible from there, etc...

As for the long planned engineering of the harvest (loosh (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100040-Active-shooter-in-Las-Vegas-59-dead-527-injured&p=1183648&viewfull=1#post1183648) being one of the yields of such event):


[...]
An anonymous poster predicted a mass shooting in Las Vegas three weeks ago and explained that the goal is to cash in on a police state.

4chan Warned About Vegas 3 Weeks Early: Possible Financial and Political Gain Behind Mass Murder (https://squawker.org/politics/4chanvegas/)

By Jack Kenrick - October 2, 2017 The Squawker

3 weeks ago, on 9/11 a mysterious 4chan user who went only by "John" made a series of at the time overlooked posts. He warned users to stay away from any gatherings of large groups of people in the Vegas or nearby Henderson areas.

Stating that he had insider knowledge of what he referred to as a "high incident project" that was set to occur soon. While the poster was ignored at the time, since nothing seemed to occur on the 12th. The fact this John wrote "I can't guarantee anything will happen tomorrow but las vegas is on their minds," seems almost frightening now that just a few weeks later the largest mass shooting in American history has occurred at this very location.


https://i0.wp.com/i.imgur.com/tTmLAXn.jpg?w=640&ssl=1https://i0.wp.com/i.imgur.com/Il0kscr.jpg?w=640&ssl=1


If we even consider the idea there could be any truth to such a plot in the first place, its not really all that unreasonable to believe the organizers could have simply adjusted there schedule by a few weeks. This could have been done for a myriad of reasons including just simply deciding the concert target eventually chosen served their purposes better. If true though even more troubling is the profit minded motivation behind the shooting that John went on to describe.


https://i2.wp.com/i.imgur.com/sW9wj0z.jpg?w=640&ssl=1



He states this "project" will be done with an endgame goal of passing new laws in Nevada regarding casino security. Making pricey new security screening machines mandatory for all guests. With even further more ambitious plans to follow suit in our schools and other public buildings if the public goes along with the casino machines easily enough. He also specifically names former head of the Department of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Chertoff) and Casino owner and billionaire Sheldon Adelson (https://www.forbes.com/profile/sheldon-adelson/) as the two men set to profit most off the wave of new regulations set to spring up in response to the Vegas incident. It's not all that unreasonable even to believe that Mr. Chertoff might seek to profit from a new security panic in the wake of Vegas. Given that the man has already been accused of abusing the public trust (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/31/AR2009123102821.html) by raising security fears among average American's in an attempt to sell his companies body scanners before, all the way back in 2010.

[...]
Then there is the "4 days: POW!" allegedly uttered by Steven Paddock's wife followed by a warning from a couple running around telling people at the venue they'll be "All dead" soon; some 45 minutes before the firing squad started the execution.

So... another yield I suspect coming out of this is the elimination of some competition in the money laundering business...

[uzn]

Did a little picture search and bumped into some interesting ones.

That´s the singer after the shooting started. By the way if he raises his arm it´s an upsidedown cross.
http://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/122/photos/580000/900x738/1093580.jpg

How did the machinegun get above his feet ??? He supposedly shot himself and fell back, and them the machinegun placed itself above his feet?
http://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/204/photos/291000/Las-Vegas-Shooting-Pictures-Stephen-Paddock-Body-Motive-Note-Gun-Hotel-Room-Mandalay-Bay-1095291.jpg

Ole Dammegård said in his Presentation that they leave shoes laying around as a kind of buisness card.
https://images.scribblelive.com/2017/10/2/981aa9af-0e67-4018-97fc-a6e059eadd93.jpg

This one we know already. But somebody should check when and why the Luxor put on their light.
http://s.newsweek.com/sites/www.newsweek.com/files/styles/embed-lg/public/2017/10/02/1002lasvegasshooting_0.jpg

Is the lightshow on the edges of the Luxor a normal thing ? Seen in this Video, last song before the shooting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK8KKvD7H4M

More than 500 People have been hit by bullets, which means that at least twice or trice the amount of bullets must have been fired if not more. In many Videos one sees lots of bullets hitting empty ground. In conclusion in the room there should be a whole mountain of empty shells. Look up the pictures of the room, how many empty shells are lying around ?

[neutronstar]

Could be planned by an AI system.

Yes. What you're referring to here is highly sophisticated, classified, super-computer-driven predictive software, which wargames out all possible scenarios like a super-giant chess computer. I've been told by several insiders that this exists.

The strategists then make their decisions on what actions to take, the likely social, cultural and political outcomes being known with quite a large degree of confidence.

I like to think of it much like the movie "Eagle Eye". I bet it is not too far off from the truth of what they have. It is tied into every electronic device we have to gather the information. The more eyes they have on us the better the computer is at determining the outcome. Now with cell phones and smart TVs they have eyes and ears in our homes.

Great movie by the way. Action packed none stop much like the "The Game" with Michael Douglas.

[Hervé]

[...]
How did the machinegun get above his feet ??? He supposedly shot himself and fell back, and them the machinegun placed itself above his feet?
http://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/204/photos/291000/Las-Vegas-Shooting-Pictures-Stephen-Paddock-Body-Motive-Note-Gun-Hotel-Room-Mandalay-Bay-1095291.jpg
[...]
This might be better:


https://www.opopular.com.br/polopoly_fs/1.1361607.1507065463!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_940/image.jpg

[uzn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVIo0-WPZPo

[Cidersomerset]

Mark Steyn is one of the few mainstream commentators looking behind the media
hype on most mainstream outlets, and is willing to speculate, though not on the
same level as alternate researchers. Whether this was a planned attack , a arms
deal gone wrong, or something else . It has brought into focus at least 3 current
and ongoing subjects. 1) Guns and gun control debate 2nd amendment.
2) Crack down on Fake news and U'tube and alternate researchers 1st
amendment , as per the Russia gate enquiry coming to a head.
3) The Lefts & Deep state , 'Get Trump' which ties into the civil unrest that
Alex and others have been discussing for years.

Basically don't let a good crisis go to waste whether its a organised psyop,
engineered false flag or a real event that can be exploited.All this has been touched
upon in previous posts . The one I'm getting concerned about is a crack down on
the web and what the establishment puppets will call fake news alternate sites.
They are already going after RT and putting pressure on the tech giants to do more,
as if the NSA and others are not interfering per vault 7 and as we know they can
fake Russian cyber signatures , the enquiry is a farce and will find Russia guilty
of something to save face for the 17 intelligence agencies.

===================================================
‘Unprecedented pressure’ on RT in America, we’re being forced out – Editor-in-Chief
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D3YfX_Ok1s
Published on 5 Oct 2017
RT is facing unprecedented pressure in the United States, with authorities there
intimidating not only employees, but even those co-operating with the network.

==================================================
First Russia was accused of hacking, now it’s collusion, what’s next – telepathy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOseWCAUJUU
Published on 5 Oct 2017
Legal and media analyst Lionel, of Lionel Media, explains thereal reason behind RT
being removed from Google’s premium ad service without notice.

====================================================

Steyn: There's nothing accidental about the Vegas massacre

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Published on 6 Oct 2017
Author and columnist shares his thoughts on 'Fox & Friends

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Meanwhile Trump is teasing the press over the Iran deal...

President Donald Trump: 'It's The Calm Before The Storm' | NBC News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BREos5woyXc
Published on 6 Oct 2017
President Trump made the remark before a dinner with military leaders and their spouses.

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Another Day, Another Horror: Who benefits? - The David Icke Dot-Connector
The Totalitarian tiptoe...leading to the Totalitarian state.
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Published on 6 Oct 2017

[Hym]

Good analysis Herve.

Blood comes out lighter than most would think and darkens as it is exposed to oxygen. Take a spot of your own blood an take a picture of it fresh, then take pictures in exponential sequence, 30 seconds later, 1 min., 2 m., 5, 10, an hour. Then go buy some fake blood at a costume store and take pictures at the same sequential increments after placing it on the same surface. Compare the results. Compare the color capabilities of the cameras you have and then note how you see them live. Is there any difference. Remember those differences.

Yes, almost always a mixture of real and controlled, paid, coerced and professional specialists.

Predictive analysis that formulates manipulation of events, invented, altered for affect, along with the control of it's reporting to the public is an ages old profession. It's evolution into computer generated probabilities has been around since the devices of computing were created and copied. Also within the mix has always been the connection to the information generated by remote viewing. Remote influencing both thru organic energetics and EM programming is a corporate tool not to be overlooked in all of these public shows.

What is missing in the western narrative is the inhumane emphasis on some murders and not on all murders. They are the same to those involved. The same corporate mindset that profits off of the death of tens of thousands, millions of others in "other" countries doesn't care either way. The lack of valuing each life, from deep inside of the life of a mother, a father, a brother, a sister, a husband and a wife, a dear friend, a mentor, a student, shows us how out of touch the narratives really are. All numbers to each of us are singular in our experiences.

And by the way, why do the script writers for newscasts, and they are just that in their own mindless ways, use the term "At least...this number of dead."?
Are you going to go out and take another life if there aren't "at least.....a #" of dead to make it real to fit your reporting?

Those are the same trained journalists who use the words extra-judicial, collateral and the phrase ethnic cleansing to remove the truth of the real consequences of the inhumanity of those actions.

[waves]

A few noted thoughts. A cover-up, for sure, and all kinds of aspects to this not being reported, or being denied by, the mainstream media.

Nothing surprising there — except that the big picture of what really happened is way too obvious not to be quickly understood by large numbers of people. Too many witnesses, too much video, too many anomalies, too many good unanswered questions.

Whoever orchestrated this would have been smart enough to know that's exactly how it would all play out soon after the incident.

I've not yet heard any commentators or analysts make that observation.

One potential result, that could well be desired and planned, is a divided nation. Further major incidents over the next couple of months, similarly shocking, confusing, controversial and deliberately misreported, might divide it more.

Then the coup de grâce would be taking out Trump, either physically or functionally. That would ignite the desired civil war.

If I'm anywhere near right, which I hope I'm not :) — and we may know soon enough — what we've seen in Las Vegas might just be the start of a well thought out strategic campaign that so far hasn't been careless or misplanned in any tiny way.

That's a very good point. Despite how desperate the perps are to get their clogged up agendas going since losing Hillary, it's hard to believe it wasn't done to exactly play out like it has - wanting so many to notice the lies and even political criminality.

I still hesitate to give them that credit tho because of how low intelligence the relentless barrage of lies has been that seems to imply they think they're getting away with it. I have to admit tho I sure still am surrounded by mainly people buying it all lock, stock and barrel!

But in case you're right, it makes me think another outcome they were aiming for was a way to finally turn Trump's supporters against him for not taking this grand opportunity to stand up and call out the swamp perps for something so heinous. The perps must know he won't.... and so far hasn't.... This will make many feel very betrayed.

[Harley]

Also, in my view, as usual, such operations as this Las Vegas massacre will be used to serve multiple purposes, such as

taking down the Anglo-American Imperialists (the power center is moving to the Orient),
profit making opportunities such as for those who shorted certain Las Vegas stocks,
increasing tyranny in the US (surveillance, gun grabbing, ...),
dividing Americans along more lines, as Bill describes,
providing cover for and distractions from the world financial and power transitions in progress, and
the ongoing Luciferian harvesting of the energy of terrorized humans (as I've commented above.)



There's one more very important purpose to be added to this list Paul. The Disarming of Americans. And specifically speaking, the legal Semi-Automatic Gun. They've been trying for years to ban these weapons and it looks like this is one of their main goals.

Not only was this a False Flag, but it was also what is labeled a STRAGIC PSYOP (http://www.military.com/ContentFiles/techtv_update_PSYOPS.htm), not unlike the 911 attacks. And what they've shown to the people, in a very drastic way of course, is how easily the legal Semi-Automatic Gun can be converted to an illegal Fully-Automatic (Machine) Gun.

As a matter of fact, the 'hints' to this goal is already out there:

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Responding to the report that a modified bump stock rifle was also found, which allows a gun to simulate rapid automatic gunfire:

John Cohen, a former Department of Homeland Security Undersecretary and former police officer:

Listening to the video. It sounds like the weapons were fully automatic.
You pull the trigger once and rounds are fired in rapid succession.
[The bullets] were coming out very quick, and you heard a large number of shots very quickly. That would be very difficult to do with anything other than an automatic weapon.
It's not legal to purchase a fully automatic weapon, but it's not that difficult to convert legal semiautomatic weapons so that they are fully automatic.

ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/US/guns-loaded-high-capacity-magazines-found-vegas-shooters/story?id=50228093)
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There should be little doubt what effect this will have towards dividing Americans.

[Akasha]

Pieczenik puts his neck on the block: "There was no death, no killings, no shooter, absolutely nothing……it was basically a total false flag, it was a total Sandy hook phenomenon….”


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[neutronstar]

Pieczenik puts his neck on the block: "There was no death, no killings, no shooter, absolutely nothing……it was basically a total false flag, it was a total Sandy hook phenomenon….”


He has lost credibility with me quite awhile ago.

[Bill Ryan]

"There was no death, no killings, no shooter, absolutely nothing……it was basically a total false flag, it was a total Sandy hook phenomenon….”


In this case, that's the kind of eyes-tight-shut idiocy that gives the alt media a really bad name. There are multiple witnesses, multiple videos, multiple photos, and there was real triage overwhelm at ER.

[waves]

YES YES YES to Mr. Pieczenik. What do you think you know for sure about any of this? What's the proof to you it wasn't staged?

Can we please stop speculating as if ANYTHING is true - not a roomful of rifles, not so many dead or hurt if any, not anything about Paddock, not where any shots came from, not Isis... name it, not anything.

If anything was true the massive Las Vegas surveillance proof would be pouring out.
If anything was true massive video from concertgoers would exist. There's nothing!

No proof is being offered whatsoever for all the 'facts' being reported.

It's much much smarter right now to look at any video or photos first as possibly staged and any info being given to media a lie and wait.

What's smart? - start noticing which pundits mainstream or alt are going on and on taking anything face value and declaring conclusions about anything - it means they are dupes or players too.

[Caliban]

None of the videos are any kind of proof of anything, unless it's proof of total confusion. Remember how convincing the hospital staff seemed in Orlando? Remember their press conferences for cripes sake? No, you can't believe any of it. C'mon peeps, after all that's gone down, we need to be far, far more wary and dubious with this. We need more time and much more analysis.

What's interesting about Pieczenik in that video with Jones's guy is how kind of jaded and almost burnt out he sounds. Some might say he's lost it but maybe he's just seen and heard too much. Sounded disgusted with the whole "shootin' match." Excuse the pun.



YES YES YES to Mr. Pieczenik. What do you think you know for sure about any of this? What's the proof to you it wasn't staged?

Can we please stop speculating as if ANYTHING is true - not a roomful of rifles, not so many dead or hurt if any, not anything about Paddock, not where any shots came from, not Isis... name it, not anything.

If anything was true the massive Las Vegas surveillance proof would be pouring out.
If anything was true massive video from concertgoers would exist. There's nothing!

No proof is being offered whatsoever for all the 'facts' being reported.

It's much much smarter right now to look at any video or photos first as possibly staged and any info being given to media a lie and wait.

What's smart? - start noticing which pundits mainstream or alt are going on and on taking anything face value and declaring conclusions about anything - it means they are dupes or players too.

[Nasu]

Pieczenik puts his neck on the block: "There was no death, no killings, no shooter, absolutely nothing……it was basically a total false flag, it was a total Sandy hook phenomenon….”


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I don't agree with this interview at all. Just my opinion, but I think the theory of both makes much more rational sense to me, false flag AND psi op AND massacre AND set up for gun control and or civil war. As has been mentioned, all of the above, perhaps as has been said to cause mass confusion, the fog of war so to speak. There is too much evidence to suggest that no one was shot, too many people involved to be able to control all the variables with complete precision.

Even at $100 per hour or more, there would be witnesses to counter the narrative, someone would talk. It defies logic that all those emt's, doctors, nurses, ambulance workers, hospital cleaners, hospital administrators, hospital insurance administrators, police, dhs operatives, cab drivers, hotel staff, hotel security, pizza delivery workers, singers, band members, concert goers and members of the general public - all being paid to shut up, or all being threatened to shut up?? It makes no logical sense, no matter how much you paid them per hour.

Saying there were no casualties just ads more fog to an already very foggy picture. There is too much evidence for casualties, comparing it to the casualty free, triage free, false flag event of Sandy Hook is to do a disservice to the clever minds who created THIS false flag. As Bill said, to assume that THEY made a mistake or several mistakes is to underestimate THEM, we must not give them that advantage.

The sad picture that has slowly emerged over the past week that seems to make the most sense to me is this:

I don't believe this was Islamic Terror or ANTIFA, most likely imo a US contractor or sub group / division of the NSA/FBI/CIA/DHS or similar. Some group able to influence msm sources, with access to the software engineering of the back end of both Facebook and YouTube. This event was clearly pre planned meticulously with the suspect / patsy's involvement, he brought the weapons after all, but was carried out by at least two hard nosed, salty dog contractors using belt or drum fed automatic weapons from vantage points other than the room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Casino. Clearly the suspect / patsy had no escape plan as some msm have suggested he did, if he had he would not have booked the room in his own name.

There were at least two small cracks in opsec or operational security, one being the twitter warnings of a month prior and the other being the couple who warned off some of the event goers with grim forecasts of impending death.

The motive seems to be greed, in the form of financial returns from "shorting" the stock of the parent company MGM, to the longer term gains of increased security equipment / logistics and agreements for the many hotel and casinos in Nevada, similar to the way that Mumbai in India and Jerusalem and Tel Aviv in Israel has gone after their security breaches. Plus some more panic gun buying to ad fuel to the impending civil war and or gun control for good measure...

imo.... N

[Bill Ryan]

What's the proof to you it wasn't staged?
As you were writing this, I was listening to this clip, which I recorded live.

9 mins, utterly real, highly recommended. Just one first-hand account of very, very many. They're all out there.


http://projectavalon.net/Alex_Jones_with_Las_Vegas_witness_Dave_6_Oct_2017.mp3

[Hervé]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=1183953#post1183953)
[...]
Whoever orchestrated this would have been smart enough to know that's exactly how it would all play out soon after the incident.
[...]
... thinking about it... maybe "they" were also testing if a completely botched False Flag would still stick in the public mind thanks to the collusion of MSM narrative and, also, testing how long it'll take Google and YouTube to disappear damning evidence to the contrary...

... OK, I think I have added a new feather to my tinfoil hat :)

[Nasu]

What's the proof to you it wasn't staged?
As you were writing this, I was listening to this clip, which I recorded live.

4 mins, utterly real, highly recommended. Just one first-hand account of very, very many. They're all out there.


http://projectavalon.net/Alex_Jones_with_Las_Vegas_witness_Dave_6_Oct_2017.mp3



Weird. The last minute of that clip is cut off or is it just me?

It says the clip is 5 mins and 12 secs long but jumps at the 4 min and 6 sec mark to the end?... N






From Bill: It's 4:01, and looks just fine at this end! :)

[Nasu]

What's the proof to you it wasn't staged?
As you were writing this, I was listening to this clip, which I recorded live.

4 mins, utterly real, highly recommended. Just one first-hand account of very, very many. They're all out there.


http://projectavalon.net/Alex_Jones_with_Las_Vegas_witness_Dave_6_Oct_2017.mp3



Weird. The last minute of that clip is cut off or is it just me?

It says the clip is 5 mins and 12 secs long but jumps at the 4 min and 6 sec mark to the end?... N






From Bill: It's 4:01, and looks just fine at this end! :)


Ok cool, Thanks Bill. Just want to be sure that my paranoia levels are staying in balance..

Mind you just because we are paranoid, doesn't mean they are not going to get us! lol....x..... N

[Wind]

I like to think of it much like the movie "Eagle Eye". I bet it is not too far off from the truth of what they have. It is tied into every electronic device we have to gather the information. The more eyes they have on us the better the computer is at determining the outcome. Now with cell phones and smart TVs they have eyes and ears in our homes.


Computers, Smartphones Can Be Used as a Sonar-Like Tracking System (https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/computers-smartphones-can-be-used-as-a-sonar-like-tracking-system/)

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[turiya]

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ISIS has tripled-down on its claim that Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock was both a convert to Islam and operating on its behalf in its just published (https://twitter.com/siteintelgroup/status/915985401805975552) edition of its weekly Naba newsletter. The Islamic State propaganda newsletter features infographs and new specific claims concerning Paddock, who the terror group identifies according to the Muslim name, Abu Abdul Barr al-Amriki (or Abu Abdul Barr “The American”).



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Source: zerohedge.com

THE VEGAS PLOT THICKENS: THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE SHOOTER AND AN INTELLIGENCE AGENCY (http://www.thedailysheeple.com/the-vegas-plot-thickens-the-connection-between-the-shooter-and-an-intelligence-agency_102017)


But how much can Mike Toke really say in a limited amount of characters? But what he does manage is enough to get anyone seeking the truth to follow all these leads and look into everything that the media and our government continues to hide from us. It’s what’s embedded in the tweet that counts.



http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/MIKE_TOKES_BREAKING_USERS_ON_POL_HAVE_DISCOVERED_FLIGHT_RECORDS_OF_PAD.png (https://twitter.com/MikeTokes/status/915618593726898177/photo/1)


Looking closely, the first thing you will notice is that the shooter, Stephen Paddock, had a pilot license and owned two planes. (http://heavy.com/news/2017/10/stephen-paddock-pilot-license-planes-faa/) This is well-established fact. The tail number of one of those planes is N5343M, a Cirrus SR-20. You can see that this was owned by Paddock by going to the website Flightaware.com. (http://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N5343M) But Paddock doesn’t own this plane anymore. It was grounded three years ago, and it’s now in the hands of none other than Volant LLC (http://www.volant-associates.com/), which there is little information on.
However, Volant Associates (http://www.volant-associates.com/) is none other than a Department of Defense contractor. Meaning Paddock’s plane has been in the hands of the United States government for the past three years and grounded since –
Volant’s describes it’s mission on their website as providing “the industry’s preeminent professionals to discriminating U.S. government and intelligence-and-defense-industry customers.”
The registration of this plane is also listed as “active” even though it hasn’t been flown in three years. The FAA should have this same information. But they don’t. Their website shows that a different aircraft, a Cessna 152, maintains that tail number and it was last registered to a person in San Diego, California. The FAA (Federal Aviation Administration) is a government agency, and it appears that it has scrubbed this plane’s information. Now, why would they do that?

Source: dailysheeple.com

@JulianAssange Replying to @RedactedTonight — Almost all “terror” plots are created by the FBI as part of its business model. (http://12160.info/forum/topics/julianassange-replying-to-redactedtonight-almost-all-terror-plots)
(http://12160.info/forum/topics/julianassange-replying-to-redactedtonight-almost-all-terror-plots)


http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/ASSANGE_ALMOST_ALL_TERROR_PLOTS_ARE_CREATED_BY_THE_FBI.png (http://api.ning.com/files/S2fl5KacUVLf*7jrcphoVLVFRhoA-3ZVz8c6cJB*gjwpgO*2aOcl4eOliRACx9CHXPCuAxD-bz5vdQ977JBXY41TP6AZy3QT/Julian_Assange__on_Twitter_RedactedTonight_Almost_all_terror_plots_are_created_by_the_FBI_as_part_of _its_business_model._What_is_the_business_of_the_FBI_Extracting_tax._What_does_t.co_VmfYMW6DdT__2017 1005_12.54.00.png)

SOURCE (http://x22report.com/saudia-arabia-pivots-towards-russia-and-away-from-the-us-episode-1394/#more-283430)

[Nasu]

I like to think of it much like the movie "Eagle Eye". I bet it is not too far off from the truth of what they have. It is tied into every electronic device we have to gather the information. The more eyes they have on us the better the computer is at determining the outcome. Now with cell phones and smart TVs they have eyes and ears in our homes.


Computers, Smartphones Can Be Used as a Sonar-Like Tracking System (https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/computers-smartphones-can-be-used-as-a-sonar-like-tracking-system/)

1XQgaqOlEIc

Good movie. Who knows if they have this tech, seems likely but who knows. I like Herve's idea that all of this is to test the systems capabilities, like a feedback loop. If that were the case, WE are part of that algorithm, WE are part of that system... Scary stuff indeed..

If anyone wants some distraction from the horrors of reality, here is that movie, it's quite good....


http://sockshare.net/watch/jyGDrVv6-eagle-eye.html

[cascadian]

I personally know a couple friends who were present at the concert. I haven't talked personally with them yet, but through their communications with family and friends via other communication forms during and shortly after the event, their was definitely a modern firearms shooting massacre and people were killed. I don't doubt this event may be a false flag, but it it certainly was not fake/staged, etc. as some are claiming.

[waves]

What's the proof to you it wasn't staged?
As you were writing this, I was listening to this clip, which I recorded live.

4 mins, utterly real, highly recommended. Just one first-hand account of very, very many. They're all out there.


http://projectavalon.net/Alex_Jones_with_Las_Vegas_witness_Dave_6_Oct_2017.mp3


Strongly disagree, I think this call-in 'it' was staged. I think there's good reason to suspect this alleged concertgoer is an actor inserting a new nugget into the false narrative....

- that 'there weren't more deaths because 20-30% in the crowd were veterans and first responders who knew what to do in a crisis'.

Really? How long did this guy linger to watch this tear-jerk story and know 5,000-7,000 attendees lingered during gunfire to help wounded? Do you believe 500+ wounded even exist considering their social media dead silence after the most bizarre night of their lives?

:27 .... "....real quick one thing I just want to say is...is... had that not been the crowd it was.... there would have been far more deaths....and you really have to thank god that the people that were there.... I'd say 20 or 30% were former active ...were active duty... or you know... veterans... that were in there..... and then you have a ton of first responders in there and they.... you know... they know how to react in that situation... you know... I didn't... we didn't... and uh... you would have seen a lot more deaths in that scenario if... that wasn't the crowd that was there."

"It went on for 7 minutes"
"my wife and I ran across there while they were still shooting...they were shooting...'"
"pray for the victims... and donate to the victims...there's a GoFundMe site out there...."

3:44 Alex inserting an unproven subject changing meme a doomy voice: "...and there's all the wierd Islamic connections"

I see this all as narrative seeding as usual and that's totally player. I've come to see Alex as the controlled opposition - always playing both sides, planting unproven memes galore and clearly obeying marching orders on certain subjects about what to say and NOT say.

Sorry, I'm paying super close attention to detail and think it's very worthwhile and revealing to do so.

[Bill Ryan]

I'm paying super close attention to detail and think it's very worthwhile and revealing to do so.

100% fully agreed. :thumbsup:

Then, please, watch every single one of the videos of the shooting victims, watch the interviews of the nurses who were in ER, and listen to the audio interviews of the witnesses on the ground. (This might take you quite a long time, because there's a lot of material you've clearly not seen and maybe are genuinely unaware of.)

And, when you do, please pay super close attention to all that detail. :)

[KiwiElf]

Just so readers can put a "face to a name" - pictures of the above two mentioned type of aircraft (... you don't need to be super rich to own them ;)):

Cirrus SR20
One of the most popular 4-seat aircraft and still being manufactured today - this is the lower powered version of the sister aircraft, the high performance SR22. Both famous for being the only aircraft equipped with a whole aircraft parachute recovery system, known as CAPS® (Cirrus Airframe Parachute System® (CAPS®)) - both models are the top selling light aircraft today, a position held for several years.
Value today: $140,000 - $450,000 US, depending on age and condition


36239

https://cirrusaircraft.com/aircraft/sr20/

Cessna 152
First delivered in 1977 as the 1978 model year, the 152 was a modernization of the proven Cessna 150 design. Production of the 152 was ended in 1985; by that time, a total of 7,584 examples of the 152 had been built worldwide. They are essentially a 2-seat training aircraft and still widely used as such in aero clubs around the world.
Value today: $22,000 - $47,000 US, depending on age and condition

36240

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_152

[Bill Ryan]

Just so readers can put a "face to a name" - pictures of the above two mentioned type of aircraft (... you don't need to be super rich to own them :)):



A very minor footnote to this, included for the sake of completeness: Paddock hadn't flown for four years, because he was no longer medically qualified (http://heavy.com/news/2017/10/stephen-paddock-pilot-license-planes-faa) to do so.

[KiwiElf]

Thanks Bill - just added the average value for either aircraft as well (...just to balance out the MSM's vague claim of him "owning 2 aircraft" - some maybe getting the wrong idea you need to be a multi-millionaire to own them,... you don't. They are far from being in the LearJet category! ;))

[ThePythonicCow]

Pieczenik puts his neck on the block: "There was no death, no killings, no shooter, absolutely nothing……it was basically a total false flag, it was a total Sandy hook phenomenon….”

Pieczenik is feeding the controversy. If he was not such an articulate, experienced, insider with a long history working with the deep state, then I might give him the benefit of the doubt and allow for the possibility that he was confused. But Pieczenik knows too much, and so I can only assume that he's knowingly spreading false propaganda.

I figure that Jon Rappoport has nailed it, in his latest blog entry at Vegas shooting: real vs. fake (https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2017/10/06/vegas-shooting-real-vs-fake/).

This operation is a deliberate and confused mix of fake and real, lies told, truth suppressed and truth told, with the intention of confusing and disqualifying the sort of analysis seen in this thread, and from other independent researchers.

Let me quote a portion of Rappoport's latest blog entry:

================

Now here is a hypothesis. Obviously, it applies to more than just the Vegas shooting. In SOME of these events, we see a MIX of fake and real happenings. There are real victims and fake victims. This confusion and conflation of the fake and the real stimulate different and opposing lines of independent investigation.

Some say all the victims are fake. Others say all the victims are real. Both viewpoints tend to generalize from a few sets of facts.

The result? This is perfect for those who are actually behind the operation in the shadows, who want to engender false trails and dead ends and “unsolvable” anomalies.

And conflict among independent researchers who, after all, are the only real threat to the party line.

“Look, here is a group of obvious crisis actors. They’re fakes. Therefore, the whole event is a fake.”

“Here are real victims. Therefore, the whole event is real. There was nothing fake about it.”

Then, on top of this, the mainstream press, in its usual fashion, cherry picks the most far-out “conspiracy theories,” presents them, and says: “Look how ridiculous ALL these people are who question the official investigation.” Another generalization. A way to discredit all independent researchers.

When you think about it, the hypothesis I’m presenting is not strange at all. What do major media news broadcasts do? They mix real facts and fake facts. This is SOP. They mix and stir and derive bizarre conclusions that mislead the public.

“Real or fake” is not always the correct formulation, although that is what many people want to decide. “It must be black or white, yes or no, this or that.” We’re looking at a trap, we’re looking at many minds disposed to function in this fashion.

In certain cases, it can be “real and fake.”

And when it is, and when it’s intentional, it confuses people and they throw up their hands and walk away.

Which is the desired effect.

“Was the whole thing real or fake? I have to know.”

It was both.================

[waves]

I'm paying super close attention to detail and think it's very worthwhile and revealing to do so.

100% fully agreed. :thumbsup:

Then, please, watch every single one of the videos of the shooting victims, watch the interviews of the nurses who were in ER, and listen to the audio interviews of the witnesses on the ground. (This might take you quite a long time, because there's a lot of material you've clearly not seen and maybe are genuinely unaware of.)

And, when you do, please pay super close attention to all that detail. :)

I've watched everything here, lots more alt pundits not worth sharing here, all the 'names' saying anything but have had a hard time finding private YT videos by people who were there, especially any witness not only on some alt site. One of the more authentic video's so far to me was the lady at the Bellagio walking up and down the hall talking about the front door having been shot. Otherwise, I find the language so assumptive.

My issue is how so many are taking parts of the story face value too soon and repeating unknowns as fact. For example a sentence referring to '...the rifles in the room' is already false. The truth is still '...the alleged rifles in the room'. That's why it was such a relief to hear Pieszenik say 'hey! slow down, we know nothing!'. For the record, I agree with that, I don't agree that there were no victims.

So far I suspect there were some murders committed to have some and some wounded, but nowhere near the numbers magically counted and broadcast within hours. I suspect no shots came from the Mandalay 32nd floor. I suspect the perps are the still rabidly angry out of their minds swamp denizens, this is a multi-purpose scheme and we can draw a direct line from the benefits to them.

Almost all sides of the media world are feeling like these two to me from They Live more than ever before.....


https://s1.postimg.org/23kfvu030v/theylive_newscasters.jpg

[KiwiElf]

Curious observation - if we go back to the original crowd scene,... one of, if not the first video shown, just before and during the first alleged shots (might be better to turn the volume off): does anyone notice any "small crowd spreading", ie you would get this if someone made a commotion or fainted, the immediate group surrounding the individual spreads away - almost instantly. If they were shot, it would be more noticeable... until the majority of people start running (after the second round of shots), it just looks like an ordinary concert? One might also wonder why the "photographer" picked exactly that moment to video? There's nothing of any great interest to video at the time! ie midway between a song... :confused:

[waves]

...Then, please, watch every single one of the videos of the shooting victims, watch the interviews of the nurses who were in ER, and listen to the audio interviews of the witnesses on the ground......

I wouldn't trust any msm 'interview' of any witness, so I just tried searching ‘er nurse las vegas’.

NO private posts at all.

This is what I said earlier about other searches. I only get a long column of msm source posts of their slickly produced and edited er related stories which have the most probability of having been staged.

'er nurse las vegas' returned different er story results in this order:
Associated Press
Washington Post
Fox Business
What’s Trending
New York Daily News
PBS News Hour
ABC News
CBS This Morning
13News Now
Inside Edition
CBS This Morning
CBS This Morning
Inside Edition
CBS Sacramento
CBS Los Angeles
Fox News
Associated Press
KTNV Las Vegas

NONE of my other normal everyday searches EVER give me all these msm outlets!
I refuse to watch any.

Where are the 1000's of real people who had the most bizarre and traumatic event of their lives who constantly share much less significant stuff all the time?

[Tintin]

Shots fired at the Vegas Bellagio the same night as the concert attack? YouTube took down the video. (https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2017/10/05/shots-fired-at-the-vegas-bellagio-the-same-night-as-the-concert-attack-youtube-took-down-the-video/)

by Jon Rappoport (https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/author/jonrappoport/) Oct 5 (https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2017/10/05/shots-fired-at-the-vegas-bellagio-the-same-night-as-the-concert-attack-youtube-took-down-the-video/), 2017

Yesterday (https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2017/10/04/multiple-shooters-not-the-first-time/), I posted a video reporting shots fired through the front door of the Vegas Bellagio Hotel on the night of the concert attack.

My, my. YouTube took the video down. We found a new link. Don’t know how long it’ll work.


6V_gS9ythDQ
Why did YouTube take down the video? On what grounds? It was truthful and therefore disturbing? The video was taken inside the Bellagio by a guest, and she speaks at length about the shooting incident.

I guess that’s too real. A new standard for violating the rules: “It’s too real, take it down.”

Or: “It’s obviously fake, it must be, because no approved media outlets reported that shooting, but it looks too real so it’s a great fake, take it down.”

Clearly, another shooting in Vegas around the time of the concert shooting would open up the door to the idea of a planned multiple attack, involving more than just a “lone crazy man at the Mandalay Hotel.”

Can’t have that.

No.

We’re already beginning to see new calls for eliminating “fake news” in the wake of the Vegas attacks. The Guardian is bemoaning the fact (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/04/las-vegas-shooting-youtube-hoax-conspiracy-theories) that many videos are being posted which question, doubt, and reject the official lone gunman scenario.

Can’t have that.

No.

Instead, what we need are more videos of police press conferences. We should bow down and accept that information. The Church of Police Truth. It’s the only way to get to heaven. Join now before it’s too late and you’re infected by the Other.

After working for 19 years as a reporter and author, I went online in 2001 and called this site nomorefakenews. There was a reason for that. It’s called mainstream news.

Jon Rappoport

Excellent post Herve, thank you.

I have a question, or more of a request, and it is probably really geared to the moderators or anyone else with the capability to download video from youtube: please, please could as many of you as possible download and make available to the forum critical video, audio, and make it available here for download. I would appreciate that hugely for sure. I would certainly want to obtain for my own research purposes the Bellagio footage, the LV taxi driver footage, and there would be others for sure. Maybe a repository on the forum, provided there is the capacity to do this. This is a very very important event to have absolutely a resource for, somewhere, in one place.

If anyone can help then I'd thank them hugely. (Or PM me, with link downloads, or via We Transfer). Thanks.

[Arcturian108]

This past May, 2017, my organization held a Festival at a major hotel in Las Vegas, for which I had to sign a contract months in advance and commit to approximately $15,000 in room rentals and a hall rental with meals. There were only a small number of reasons that I could break the contract and not be liable, as stated in the contract, which names countries where we mainly have students who might attend. Here are the exact words of the contract:

"IMPOSSIBILITY [title of section]

​The performance of this Agreement is subject to termination without liability upon the occurrence of any circumstance beyond the control of either party - such as war on US soil, acts of terrorism or disaster including US, Turkey, Japan or Germany or curtailment of transportation facilities, or acts of God affecting the city of Las Vegas, Nevada, - to the extent that such circumstance makes it illegal or impossible for the Hotel to provide, or for groups in general to use, the Hotel facilities." [It goes on for a few more sentences.]"

So, although individuals might want to cancel their own trips to Las Vegas, large planned conventions might be able to cancel if this recent event was declared to be a "Terrorist act". Thus Las Vegas officials are avoiding this label at all costs. ​

[Cidersomerset]

There is plenty of speculation in the interview James Fetzer and articles from
Rense. Much of it has been touched in previous vids and articles but you may find
interesting......

===================================================

Jeff & Prof James Fetzer - Las Vegas…The Searing Truth

CIA , Mossad and ISIS are the same....

False Flag Vegas Massacre
http://www.rense.com/Datapages/FFvegasmasscre.htm

wbUUphyZ_6s

Published on 6 Oct 2017

====================================================

CIA, ISIS, Mossad False Flag - Another 9/11 As More Americans
Slaughtered For The Agenda - 'Lee Harvey' Paddock Was Dressed
Up With Guns - But No Motive - Never Knew He Was Patsied

Patsy Paddock Made An ISIS Video - Ex Trump Official
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-06/las-vegas-shooter-made-isis-tape-according-former-trump-campaign-official

Steve Wynn On His Fears Of Muslim Terror Attack In Las Vegas
And The Incredible CIA-Military Grade Security In All His Hotels

ISIS Weekly News Describes Paddock’s Islamic Conversion
This Is Why FBI Slapped Vegas Sheriff For Suggesting Paddock
'Had Help' - This Was An ISIS OP And FBI Is Trying To Hide That

ISIS Again Claims Paddock Converted 6 Months Ago

Why Did FBI Slap Down Vegas Cops Over Sheriff Saying
Paddock Had To Have Had Help? What Is FBI Hiding?

Las Vegas Sheriff - Paddock Was Living A Secret Life
Is The Sheriff Alluding To A Muslim Conversion?

Claims Of '20 Shots' Fired In Caesar's 15 Min After Massacre

Where Are The 1,000s Of Rounds Of Paddock's Brass Casings?

'Lee Harvey' Paddock - Another 'Lone Gunman' LIE
Worst 'Suicide' Set-Up Of A Patsy Ever?

Sheriff Admits Paddock Didn't Act Alone, 'Had To Have Help'

Wounded Victims, Families Rage At YouTube For Posting
Videos Claiming The Massacre Was Some Kind Of Hoax

Las Vegas Media Discounting All Other Hotel Reports - Vid

Paddock GF - 'Never Occurred To Me He Was Thinking Violence'

Girlfriend 'Had No Idea' Patsy Paddock Was Planning Harm

Shots Fired Into The Bellagio Hotel Entrance? - Vid

Bellagio Front Entry Sprayed With Gunfire? - Vid

Claims Of Shooting At Caesar's Palace 15 Min After Massacre

Hero Ex Marine Stole Truck, Transported Dozens To Hospital

Listen - Several Automatic Weapons Firing Simultaneously
New Horror Video Of Las Vegas Terrorist Attack - Vid

Video Freeze Of Three Muzzle Flash Shooter Locations

Las Vegas Police Release Body Cam Footage - Vid

For Those Who Think 'Crisis Actors' And 'Fake Blood'
Were Used In Las Vegas…DISCRETION ADVISED - Vid

DtRH - Did You Hear The One About The Lone Gunman? - pdf

Edited Police Radio Traffic Confirms MULTIPLE Shooters - Vid

HORRIFYING - Vegas Cabbie Video's Audio PROOF Of Machine
Guns,& Full Auto Assault Rifles - Cabbie Rescues Fleeing Concert-
Goers Screaming 'There Are 100s Of Dead Bodies Back There!!!' - Vid

The SOUND Of The Mandaly Bay M-60 Machine Gun - Vid

Video Of Second Shooter On 4th Floor Of Mandalay Bay
With Machine Gun Muzzle Flashes Clearly Visible - Vid

Video PROOF Of Second Shooter On FAR Lower Floor
With A PLATFORM MACHINE GUN Muzzle Blast, Sound

One Shooter With Assault Rifles? Time & Bullets Don't Add Up

http://www.rense.com/

[Hervé]

[...]

I have a question, or more of a request, and it is probably really geared to the moderators or anyone else with the capability to download video from youtube: please, please could as many of you as possible download and make available to the forum critical video, audio, and make it available here for download. I would appreciate that hugely for sure. I would certainly want to obtain for my own research purposes the Bellagio footage, the LV taxi driver footage, and there would be others for sure. Maybe a repository on the forum, provided there is the capacity to do this. This is a very very important event to have absolutely a resource for, somewhere, in one place.

If anyone can help then I'd thank them hugely. (Or PM me, with link downloads, or via We Transfer). Thanks.

. . .

Caveat:


Another notice from Jim Stone (http://82.221.129.208/.zx5.html):
IMPORTANT: YOUTUBE VIDEOS ARE NOW BEING RELEASED WITH FALSE SOUND TRACKS. (http://82.221.129.208/.zx5.html)

They are using the sound of chain fed machine guns and also cleaning them up to "prove" it was only one gun, and other hoakery to wreck the alt media, don't fall for it!

For example, the taxi video originally had very distant gunfire in it but now it is loud as hell near the hotel.

They did the same thing with cash for clunkers - the people destroying the cars were disgusted with what they were forced to do and it showed in the sound tracks, which were later swapped out with people hysterically laughing when the engines blew.

The dates on the videos never changed. The same type of thing is happening with Vegas now. If you did not have your videos cached before now, don't bother, what is out there now is wrecked. I'll have to check the videos on this web site also, to see if they are wrecked.

[sunwings]

36241

Explain to me how you are a victim in the Las Vegas shootings & also being reported as wanted in Connellsville, PA today for sexual assault????

Simple mistake by news networks, bull**** story or the guy is one unlucky sex offender that got gunned down in Vegas????:facepalm:

[Hervé]

There's also this:


https://www.reviewjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/9352709_web1_stephen-paddock.jpg


http://www.catholic.org/files/images/media/15072157731961_700.jpg



... which is not there:



https://i0.wp.com/www.bizpacreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/las-vegas-shooter-stephen-paddock-suicide-note-bloody-head-photo.jpg?resize=640%2C349

[Carmody]

It appears as if it is an oligarchical factional war that is happening here.

One trying to stampede the US public, another trying to stall it out. For various reasons, obviously.

"Asymmetrical warfare" is a good name for it.

[Tintin]

[...]

I have a question, or more of a request, and it is probably really geared to the moderators or anyone else with the capability to download video from youtube: please, please could as many of you as possible download and make available to the forum critical video, audio, and make it available here for download. I would appreciate that hugely for sure. I would certainly want to obtain for my own research purposes the Bellagio footage, the LV taxi driver footage, and there would be others for sure. Maybe a repository on the forum, provided there is the capacity to do this. This is a very very important event to have absolutely a resource for, somewhere, in one place.

If anyone can help then I'd thank them hugely. (Or PM me, with link downloads, or via We Transfer). Thanks.

. . .

Caveat:


Another notice from Jim Stone (http://82.221.129.208/.zx5.html):
IMPORTANT: YOUTUBE VIDEOS ARE NOW BEING RELEASED WITH FALSE SOUND TRACKS. (http://82.221.129.208/.zx5.html)

They are using the sound of chain fed machine guns and also cleaning them up to "prove" it was only one gun, and other hoakery to wreck the alt media, don't fall for it!

For example, the taxi video originally had very distant gunfire in it but now it is loud as hell near the hotel.

They did the same thing with cash for clunkers - the people destroying the cars were disgusted with what they were forced to do and it showed in the sound tracks, which were later swapped out with people hysterically laughing when the engines blew.

The dates on the videos never changed. The same type of thing is happening with Vegas now. If you did not have your videos cached before now, don't bother, what is out there now is wrecked. I'll have to check the videos on this web site also, to see if they are wrecked.

Thanks Herve: as demonstrated here, for example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8B366HiHPs

[turiya]

Stefan Molyneux has a good logical mind, puts together the basic facts in good chronological order...

One thing that I see that Stefan doesn't quite understand is something I mentioned previously in post #224 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100040-Active-shooter-in-Las-Vegas-59-dead-527-injured&p=1183846&viewfull=1#post1183846). And that would be the notion that Paddock's Fillipino girl friend, Danley, thought - after receiving a large sum of cash - $100,000 - with the suggestion to buy her family a house - that Paddock was possibly meaning to end their relationship.


The Las Vegas Shooter
Story Changes Once Again
(Oct 5, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCBYAWyFEqM&t=1s

[RunningDeer]

Hey, cowboy. Why are you looking in the direction of the camera holding a drink in the middle of the chaos? A little help please.

Who cropped out the drink? And why?


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Dark-Journalist/drink.jpg

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Dark-Journalist/drink-no.jpg



False Flag Vegas Massacre
http://www.rense.com/Datapages/FFvegasmasscre.htm


wbUUphyZ_6s

[Hervé]

[...]
If anyone can help then I'd thank them hugely. (Or PM me, with link downloads, or via We Transfer). Thanks.
Original cab driver's video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au8x5YBf1gQ&feature=youtu.be


au8x5YBf1gQ



See here for others: http://www.1src.com/topic/las-vegas-taxi-driver-picks-up-mass-shooting-survivors

[Mari]

Regarding motive
Just a thought

There is a mentality that takes everything to the extreme.
For example if I had a really fast car in my teens I would have killed myself pushing the car to the limits.
Guns are meant to be fired.

If I was fed up with life I might want to see how effective my pet collection of guns were.

We are also fed a daily dose of violence from the moment we first watch TV ---films---games--all have violence inherent in them.
It gets to seem normal--yet unreal.
All these actors killed in films to reappear in another movie.

And there you have the President speaking of destroying North Korea ---many thousands of innocent people living in fear of annihilation.

Civilized!! ---Think the human race has a bit to go----"Mans inhumanity to man"

Chris

I agree with everything you just said, but in this case a I find it strange that a women with her boyfriend told people at the concert you are all going to die tonight. More than one person knew what was going to happen so there is as least a conspiracy at work. Unless she was a very gifted seer.


Ok, on the premise that this shooting was a false flag of sorts, the perps (name your culprit) would, because of ‘Universal Law’ have to state their intentions of what it was going to do. I’ve come across this often, where I’ve read that the Illuminati must give some kind of notice of their intentions.
It’s possible this woman, not part of the crowd there, was doing just that?

[neutronstar]

Where are the 1000's of real people who had the most bizarre and traumatic event of their lives who constantly share much less significant stuff all the time?

Well I will take a guess here.

It might be because it was the most bizarre and traumatic event in their lives, and for a short time they were pulled into the present moment where they were more concerned with their surroundings and what was going on then they were about their phones. I'm guessing here, but I think that I would be more concerned about not getting shot then documenting what was going on. Actually that would be the last thing I would be thinking about.

After further review, it seems YouTube maybe censoring videos of the incident, imagine that.

[neutronstar]

Regarding motive
Just a thought

There is a mentality that takes everything to the extreme.
For example if I had a really fast car in my teens I would have killed myself pushing the car to the limits.
Guns are meant to be fired.

If I was fed up with life I might want to see how effective my pet collection of guns were.

We are also fed a daily dose of violence from the moment we first watch TV ---films---games--all have violence inherent in them.
It gets to seem normal--yet unreal.
All these actors killed in films to reappear in another movie.

And there you have the President speaking of destroying North Korea ---many thousands of innocent people living in fear of annihilation.

Civilized!! ---Think the human race has a bit to go----"Mans inhumanity to man"

Chris

I agree with everything you just said, but in this case a I find it strange that a women with her boyfriend told people at the concert you are all going to die tonight. More than one person knew what was going to happen so there is as least a conspiracy at work. Unless she was a very gifted seer.


Ok, on the premise that this shooting was a false flag of sorts, the perps (name your culprit) would, because of ‘Universal Law’ have to state their intentions of what it was going to do. I’ve come across this often, where I’ve read that the Illuminati must give some kind of notice of their intentions.
It’s possible this woman, not part of the crowd there, was doing just that?

I know it is reported a lot, but I think that is just BS. Also, I don't think that all the Powers that be are into the occult.

[neutronstar]

Where are the 1000's of real people who had the most bizarre and traumatic event of their lives who constantly share much less significant stuff all the time?

Well I will take a guess here.

It might be because it was the most bizarre and traumatic event in their lives, and for a short time they were pulled into the present moment where they were more concerned with their surroundings and what was going on then they were about their phones. I'm guessing here, but I think that I would be more concerned about not getting shot then documenting what was going on. Actually that would be the last thing I would be thinking about.

Here is one it is very Graphic.

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=63b_1507062726

[turiya]

False Flag Vegas Massacre
http://www.rense.com/Datapages/FFvegasmasscre.htm


wbUUphyZ_6s



At 19:35 Jeff Rense plays a couple videos regarding the windows that were shot out at the Bellagio Hotel with no mention of this in the MSM, as the police, hotel security & even the media are complicit with the notion of keeping certain occurrences from being made public - particulary violent acts being put on the national news outlets.

I can back up what Rense was saying, because back on March 27, 2017, I picked up some regular clients from the airport that were coming back from Las Vegas. These family members have alot of reunions - birthday celebrations, holiday get-togethers, etc. - and particularly like to do this in Las Vegas. They go there all the time. After loading luggage & getting everyone into the car, and starting to drive away, I asked them how things went?

This is what they told me, "Oh, haven't you heard of what happened in the Las Vegas?" I said, "No. What happened?" They then told me of seeing masked gunmen entering the hotel casino they were at, one was wearing a pig-face mask, holding guns up in the air, yelling that everyone should get down on the floor! They immediately tried to scramble themselves out of there only to find locked doors everywhere they went. The Hotel was in 'lock-down'!

They told me the robbers ended up going into a Rolex store and robbing that place.

They said they finally did find a way to get out of the hotel through a service entrance. They then tried to get a cab to go back to their hotel, but they found that the whole street traffic was blocked & barricaded by police because of another incident that was occurring at the same time. There was somebody that was holding hostages on a local city bus & making demands!

They eventually found a creative taxicab driver that ended up driving over the sidewalks to get them out of the area they were in & back to their hotel.

I said, "Wow. You found yourself a very good driver. But, no, there was nothing on the news about this."

We discussed the matter a bit further as to why it was not on the news & figured that it was news that Las Vegas officials did not want to let get out. "What Happens in Vegas, Stays in Vegas" phrase rings quite true. The corporate casinos certainly must be paying off people in 'high' places to keep quiet on anything that would make visitors not want to come to Las Vegas.

When I got back home, I even did a quick search for this, but never found an article. Just now when I did a search on the Bellagio Hotel windows being shot out, there was the article (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3176162/las-vegas-bellagio-casino-armed-robbery/) from March 25, 2017 that was posted in The Sun - a UK news site.... Go figure... And a recent article about the windows in the Bellagio that Rense was talking about can only be found in an alternative news source - INTELLIHUB (https://www.intellihub.com/eyewitness-claims-bullets-flew-into-the-bellagio-lobby-30-45-minutes-after-the-massacre/). Again go figure...

[TrumanCash]

I haven't found any reference yet to the "twin towers" behind the stage on the other side of Mandalay Bay Blvd. You can see it on google maps and on the videos of the shooting facing the stage. The two towers are south of the stage (video link below).

Could there have been shooters at the top of these two towers (which are apparently the beginnings of the construction of possibly a new casino or other structure)?

I am not an expert or even a novice regarding automatic weapons sounds but in the video--link below--the rifle fire sounds closer than coming from the Mandalay. The "twin towers" are much closer than the Mandalay.

I forgot where I read that a woman was--if I understood this correctly--at the back of the stage, running away from it (running south?) and she got hit in the knee by a bullet. Does anyone know where this account is at?

Also, it is interesting that the Sphinx at Luxor is facing to the east in accordance with Egyptian worship of the star Sirius which was the "bringer of the dawn"/"Lucifer", heralding the rising sun in the east when the Nile flooded bringing irrigation and fertility to the land. The eucharist of Osiris practiced by general public then was the outer mystery which concealed the inner mystery practiced in secret in the Great Pyramid involving ritual human sacrifice (details in the EYE OF RA).


https://www.instagram.com/p/BZvBP0-HEJA/?taken-by=randy_kindred_girl_

[waves]

Where are the 1000's of real people who had the most bizarre and traumatic event of their lives who constantly share much less significant stuff all the time?

Well I will take a guess here.

It might be because it was the most bizarre and traumatic event in their lives, and for a short time they were pulled into the present moment where they were more concerned with their surroundings and what was going on then they were about their phones. I'm guessing here, but I think that I would be more concerned about not getting shot then documenting what was going on. Actually that would be the last thing I would be thinking about.

After further review, it seems YouTube maybe censoring videos of the incident, imagine that.

True, but I mean before and after too. A lot more are always now filming during a concert and should have caught the start and a bit after, a lot more would have filmed their wounded buddy in any er, a lot more would be expected to have posted some aftermath report - and there is nearly NOTHING privately posted on YT.

[neutronstar]

Bump fire M16
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240b cyclic fire:
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compare to:
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Certainly sounds like multiple shooters, but I also don't think it sounds a 240b based on the rate of fire; that sounds like it could easily be an AR-15 at high fire rates (a bit faster than a 240b, which tops out at 600 RPM (rounds per min) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M240_machine_gun); M16's can hit 900+ RPM)

You could be right, but if you listen to the shots at about 2:20 it is a lower rate of fire and a more muffled sound like a heavy machine gun, M60 maybe even.

[neutronstar]

Where are the 1000's of real people who had the most bizarre and traumatic event of their lives who constantly share much less significant stuff all the time?

Well I will take a guess here.

It might be because it was the most bizarre and traumatic event in their lives, and for a short time they were pulled into the present moment where they were more concerned with their surroundings and what was going on then they were about their phones. I'm guessing here, but I think that I would be more concerned about not getting shot then documenting what was going on. Actually that would be the last thing I would be thinking about.

After further review, it seems YouTube maybe censoring videos of the incident, imagine that.

True, but I mean before and after too. A lot more are always now filming during a concert and should have caught the start and a bit after, a lot more would have filmed their wounded buddy in any er, a lot more would be expected to have posted some aftermath report - and there is nearly NOTHING privately posted on YT.

YouTube "Tweaks" Its Search Algos After Las Vegas Conspiracy Theories Go Viral



http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-06/youtube-tweaks-its-search-algos-after-las-vegas-conspiracy-theories-go-viral

[TrumanCash]

Also, to add further to my previous post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100040-Active-shooter-in-Las-Vegas-59-dead-527-injured&p=1184189&viewfull=1#post1184189), the double billboard across from the Luxor is a high point that is closer and able to hide a shooter as well as the Luxor obelisk.

[waves]

This is a lady trying to compile possible photoshop and/or staging anomalies in videos and photos. I'm not endorsing anything at this point, but at least this appears to be a normal person trying on her own. Not sure what she's right or wrong about, but I like some of her observations and effort.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zSHuXJbxoQ

added: She appears to have done a good job of spotting an odd pattern of shoelessness, and numerous impossibly 'floating' people obviously photoshopped into photos being called evidence in the msm.

https://s1.postimg.org/3b6besepwv/floaters.jpg

[KiwiElf]

I have a question, or more of a request, and it is probably really geared to the moderators or anyone else with the capability to download video from youtube: please, please could as many of you as possible download and make available to the forum critical video, audio, and make it available here for download. I would appreciate that hugely for sure. I would certainly want to obtain for my own research purposes the Bellagio footage, the LV taxi driver footage, and there would be others for sure. Maybe a repository on the forum, provided there is the capacity to do this. This is a very very important event to have absolutely a resource for, somewhere, in one place.

If anyone can help then I'd thank them hugely. (Or PM me, with link downloads, or via We Transfer). Thanks.

Hi Tintin - am putting this out there for everyone.

I'm using Internet Download Manager, which has a free trial period (I think 30 days), it's VERY fast and also shows you how many sources & formats of the same vid/mp3 etc are available - it will DL a whole lot more than just YT vids. For the relatively small cost I shelled out for a lifetime license. (...I DL a LOT of YT vids! ;)) Details here:

https://www.internetdownloadmanager.com/

PS - I've DL'd a pile of the earlier vids and am continuing to do so but you could be looking at quite a few GBs?

[Tbone500]

Its Simple and perfect, since the One infinite Creator is Perfect..

We have a STAGED situtation because KARMA drives them nuts....
They dont have anyone ( AT ALL on high levels) to do there killing!!!!

It was all STAGED and we all know it.

[turiya]

Cross-posted from another thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90590-Transition-into-Trump&p=1184246&viewfull=1#post1184246)...



State of the Nation

MANDALAY MASSACRE: A Special Report On
The Las Vegas Terror Attack & Mass Casualty Incident

Posted on October 7, 2017 (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=85711) by State of the Nation (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?author=1)
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The Deadliest Terrorist Attack
On U.S. Soil Since 9/11

http://stateofthenation2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/22195379_2014410518779205_1210876185839377597_n-1.jpg (http://stateofthenation2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/22195379_2014410518779205_1210876185839377597_n-1.jpg)
A Domestic Terror and False Flag Operation Conducted by Same Perps Who Did 9/11

State of the Nation (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=85711)
Yet Another CIA-Directed Government Attack on the American People
that Involved the Entire U.S. Intelligence Community, the FBI, DHS,
ATF and Local Law Enforcement

It is extremely important that the Las Vegas mass shooting be called exactly what it is: a false flag terrorist attack carried out as a highly organized black operation by the U.S. Intelligence Community in concert with the UK’s MI6 and Israel’s MOSSAD.

Michael Chertoff, Sheldon Adelson, Israeli Mossad Suspects in Las Vegas Massacre (http://themillenniumreport.com/2017/10/michael-chertoff-sheldon-adelson-israeli-mossad-suspects-in-las-vegas-massacre/)
All of the evidence points to the fact that patsy Stephen C. Paddock probably had nothing whatsoever to do with this mass casualty incident (MCI). On the other hand, the rapidly growing body of hard evidence clearly reflects an extremely well-coordinated false flag operation conducted by all the usual suspects.

Who were the Co-Conspirators?
The volumes of circumstantial evidence available thus far indicate the following government agencies and organizations had to be directly involved in the massive ensuing coverup.

• Central Intelligence Agency

• Department of Homeland Security

• National Security Agency

• Federal Bureau of Investigation

• Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

• Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department

• Clark County Sheriff’s Department

Because each of these law enforcement agencies continue to participate in the ongoing cover-up, it is certain that each had foreknowledge of this mass shooting on Sunday, October 1 at the Harvest Country Music Festival. The complete lack of police response by the local LVMPD is quite telling, as is the lack of emergency medical personnel at the scene of the attack. As usual, the C.I.A. would have had operational responsibility for overseeing the implementation plan.

What Happens In Vegas, Stays With The CIA? (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=85677)

There are several damning videos which clearly demonstrate that the extraordinary law enforcement neglect by the LVMPD. In a phrase, the LVMPD was A W O L. The local hotel security services were O U T T O L U N C H. As for the much more important security staff that was contracted for the “HARVEST” event, it’s now quite clear that there was N O B O D Y H O M E. And this video proves each of these 3 statements:

“Taxi Driver Video” of Las Vegas Terror Attack Says It All (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=85706)
Las Vegas: A Miniature National Security State
It is essential to properly understand the true context in which this multi-purposeful terrorist attack was perpetrated. That would be the Harvest Country Music Festival in Las Vegas, Nevada, also known as Sin City.
It is an indisputable fact that Las Vegas was, is, and will be forever the most locked down city in the USA. The city has been set up over many years as a miniature national security state. The obvious reason is that Sin City thrives on massive revenue streams of gambling revenue. It’s the only reason why the city of Las Vegas is still there, especially given the lack of reliable water supplies…in what is basically the dessert,

It’s not just the gambling income earned by the many casinos, it is also all the criminal enterprises which have grown up around the Gambling Industry over decades. Illicit businesses such as the Mafia’s high-end prostitution services, mob-run loansharking and CIA-overseen drug dealing also provide enormous revenues. However, it is arms trafficking (as in major illegal weapon deals) and gun-running (smaller arms deals) which generate a HUGE percentage of their unlawful profits always under the table.

What’s the point?
Nothing happens — can ever happen — in Vegas without 50 cameras watching you. The spying and surveillance infrastructure throughout the entire city is not only state of the art, it would make London’s look like a kindergarten. There is no city in the world wired like Las Vegas. Hidden video cameras and audio mics are everywhere, even in your hotel room. Here is gambling magnate Steve Wynn talking about the security in his various hotel-casinos.
Steve Wynn talks security measures at his Las Vegas casinos (Video) (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=85726)

KEY POINT: The house always wins in Vegas; it never loses. Do you think these massive casino operations would not take advantage of bugging every single room in order to preclude a hit or a super-savant whose high gambling winnings are increasing daily? Hence, there’s not a single square inch of Sin City that is not totally wired by Satan himself. The Gambling Industry does not tolerate big winners in Vegas—EVER! Even when you think you’ve won, you haven’t!

The critical point here is that no one enters the greater Las Vegas metropolitan area without being subjected to extreme monitoring and surveillance. And the closer you get to the LV Strip, the more closely you are watched and listened to. In fact, the Nevada gaming area “earns roughly 50% of the gaming revenue from all sources for the state of Nevada”. Therefore, the only logical conclusion is that the FEDs know exactly who is responsible for the actual shooting in front of the Mandalay Bay.

Another crucial point is that a guy like patsy Stephen Craig Paddock, the alleged shooter, knows all of this; he’s been a government agent practically forever and knows well the lay of the land. Therefore, he would never even try to pull off such a mass murder in this extremely controlled and hostile environment. They even captured him on video at the very moment that he fell in a Vegas casino.

Hotel Security Video Captures Stephen Paddock As He Falls At Vegas Casino (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=85730)

When you add up all the spying and surveillance capability utilized in Vegas by the intel agencies, it becomes obvious that the U.S. Intelligence Community provided direct material and moral support to the execution of this black op. There should be no question about this whatsoever. CASE CLOSED!


http://stateofthenation2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Screen-Shot-2017-10-07-at-3.47.16-PM.png (http://stateofthenation2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Screen-Shot-2017-10-07-at-3.47.16-PM.png)
Photo of the Mandalay Bay the day after the shooting showing a number of windows
blown out by gunfire or from being broken to fire weapons through.

Multiple Shooters
There is large body of evidence which proves that there were multiple shooters surrounding the music venue. Not only that, the likelihood that this massacre was performed by one person is preposterous on the face of it, and even more absurd when you understand how far the Mandalay really is from the concert venue.

Simply put, the official narrative now stands as the single most ridiculous conspiracy theory every proposed by the U.S. Federal Government … after the 9/11 Commission Report, of course. And they know it. But there are very specific reasons why they promote such utter falsehoods (to be discussed in Part II).

Occam’s razor
There are now many factual statements which can be asserted categorically about this mass casualty event. Each one of these data points, when thrown up on the radar screen is vital to understanding this unparalleled psyop. When those dots are then connected, an unambiguous picture of the culprits takes shape which looks just like to you know who.

As always, Occam’s razor can be applied to cut through all the deliberately produced noise of distraction, diversion and misdirection. As for the initial crime spree that was required to set up the crime scene and commit the mass murder, those details are almost impossible to correctly tease out. So we must wait for a brave insider to leak the info, or an even more courageous whistleblower to blow the lid off this extremely complex criminal conspiracy. Nonetheless, it matters not who actually committed these heinous crimes because they’re probably dead and buried by now. Nor does it really matter precisely how these crimes were carried out.

In other words, what really does matter is who ordered the attacks; and why.
With the steady application of Occam’s razor, the true plot and its purposes quickly emerge. That’s because every government criminal conspiracy really only has a few basic goals. The participating G-men, by the way, are government service workers. They are not very bright; nor are they very original. That’s why this black op is a carbon copy of the 9/11 false flag as far as the MO is concerned. The graphic at the very top of this post covers just one aspect of the many parallels with 9/11. So does the following article:

MGM Grand CEO Liquidated Stock Holdings Over The Weeks Just Prior To Mandalay Terrorist Attack (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=85698)

One thing can be concluded with absolute certainty: that the prematurely identified gunman — Stephen Craig Paddock — had nothing to do with the shooting spree. Was he involved in other sleazy aspects of the low-level criminal conspiracy? Yes, he probably was. But like Lee Harvey Oswald, he probably didn’t even know what would go down on that Sunday evening.

Was Vegas an FBI Sting Gone Bad? (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=85670)
Occam’s razor tells us that whoever is responsible for diligently covering up this terrorist attack is also the one who ordered it. How can it be otherwise? Not only that, but the real perpetrators at the top had so much control over the crime scene — before, during and after the slaughter — that they must reside at the peak of the pinnacle of the pyramid of the shadow government. Which brings us to the motive.

Multi-level False Flag Operation
Whenever a false flag operation is functioning as a national psyop, there are numerous purposes, and sometimes cross-purposes, at work. This particular black op is so full of holes from the get-go that it’s obvious what the primary intent was—to D I S T R A C T. And majorly so! All of these dramatic mass casualty incidents (MCI) are timed to distract the American people from much more important business.

As a matter of fact, Deep State has so many things from which to divert out attention that it’s a wonder it took so long for this terror attack to transpire. The pivotal issue here is: What are TPTB distracting US from. Not only are there several significant happenings occurring both at home and abroad, each event is highly impactful in its own right. These are covered in detail at the following link.
Las Vegas Mass Shooting: False Flag, PsyOp & Black Op to Distract (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=85146)

The subtle qualification of “multi-level” is extremely important to apprehend in the context of any false flag operation. Not only are there multiple levels of execution by various black budgeted agencies, there are various unseen objectives which are being accomplished simultaneously. This is where a PTSD-triggering event like the Las Vegas massacre gets very complicated and convoluted.

Let’s begin at the very top of the most urgent items on the New World Order agenda. Because it ought to be crystal clear by now that:

The Globalist attacked the Nationalists
The NWO cabal has had a very difficult time launching their planned Purple Revolution across America. George Soros has been universally castigated as Public Enemy #1. His many seditious NGOs have been outed as subversive organizations. The Obama-led purple revolutionaries have been exposed as the traitors that they truly are. And the Clinton-inaugurated civil war has been sufficiently revealed that it has lost many adherents.

Likewise, the other Democratic leaders such as Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Maxine Waters, Adam Schiff, John Podesta, Kamala Harris et al. have all exposed themselves to be stone-cold crazymakers. Hence, the Purple Revolution (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=56237) has been halted for the time being, even though it was supposed to begin in earnest on November 4th.
ANTIFA Signals November 4th As D-Day For Overthrow Of U.S. Government (Video) (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=85002)

Even more poignantly, AntiFa has shown itself to be a full-blown domestic terrorist organization that operates with the full support of the Communist Party. Evidence has also surfaced that irrefutably proves that AntiFa has ties to the Middle East. Likewise, Black Lives Matter has greatly faded into the background when it, too, duplicated many of the same terror tactics as ISIS during their many violent protests. Other Soros-sponsored organizations, which have participated in deadly riots since Trump’s election, have also been outed.

With this understanding it ought to be easy to grasp that Las Vegas is the stealthy way in which war will be waged on the patriot movement by the globalists. By and large, the attendees at the HARVEST were Trumpsters. These folks are the salt of the earth and really care about the future, and the territorial integrity, of the American Republic. The many nationalists who showed up at the HARVEST did not know they would be used for target practice by the globalists, BUT THEY WERE.

“When has an outdoor concert in the USA ever seen such a horrific terror attack, especially at a country music festival? This has never happened before and it was carried out with the explicit intent to send a message to the Trump movement. By and large these C&W folks are real patriots who also happen to be conservatives and Christians, old-school Republicans and Tea Partiers, ex-military and militiamen, blue-collar workers and rural farmers, hunters and bikers. This is the crowd that scares the dickens out of the globalists. They all own guns, and those who don’t will soon be buying a small arsenal.”

(Source: LAS VEGAS SACRIFICE: The Incredible Back Story Designed To Cover Up The Shocking Truth (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=85342))
Herein lies the very crux of Las Vegas mass shooting.

It was a cowardly act of war by the NWO globalist cabal against the Trump movement.
Therefore, it’s imperative for every patriot to comprehend the enormity and profundity of this historic event. Yes, TPTB have been killing US for years. 9/11 was another obvious yet disguised act of war against the American people. However, Las Vegas is different; they’re really going after the patriots—BIG time! And more innocent people than ever are being randomly killed at mass casualty events like Las Vegas.

VIDEO: ‘They came into the back staff parking lot and shot people there too!’ — Las Vegas Eyewitness (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=85437)


http://stateofthenation2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/lasvegas-tiroteo3-1024x640.jpg (http://stateofthenation2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/lasvegas-tiroteo3.jpg)SOURCE: David Becker/Getty Images News/Getty Images

Ramping up National Security State
In the wake of Las Vegas there have been many articles throughout the mainstream media (MSM) which have delineated plans to further intensify the spying tactics and surveillance technologies that define the National Security State. This was a one of the primary reasons for such this deadly terror attack. The more who are killed and/or wounded the more easily Congress can be cowed into approving even more draconian legislation which takes away fundamental rights and liberties.

It appears that the intention of TPTB is to lock down every public building and space in the nation. Those who own the companies which have cornered all the government security business are the same characters who actually did 9/11. These bad actors were then put in the position to protect us from future 9/11s … … … like the Las Vegas terror attack. What follows is an excellent video exposé of this scheme to expand considerably the National Security State by these career criminals.
LAS VEGAS SHOOTING: WHO BENEFITS? (Video) (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=85513)
Calls for more gun control
Hillary Clinton has predictably called for more gun control after she blamed the NRA for the Vegas mass shooting. Hillary Clinton Blames Las Vegas Attack on NRA (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=85750) As if on cue, the whole Democratic side of the political aisle is now calling for immediate gun control legislation. Seriously, this is one “crisis that the DEMs will not let go to waste”. The utter seriousness of Las Vegas is such that it has already provided an impetus for the beginning of the end of the Second Amendment—for real!

Listen up, patriots. This mass shooting was fastidiously engineered to bust every U.S. citizen upside the head with a four by four. That 4X4 was the rapid-fire “gatling gun” used by various shooters who shot up the HARVEST. Every American has now been infected with their own version of vicarious PTSD. Hearing machine guns firing at a group of concert-goers was at once shocking and momentous. And it will be used to the max to impose a repressive regime that will ultimately take away freedom of speech and gun ownership, unless the Trumpsters make some noise. It doesn’t more serious than this.

Whenever there is a secret agenda by government(s) to completely control the citizenry, false flag mass shootings are conducted in order to strip them of their guns. Variations of Operation Gladio have been, in fact, been implemented worldwide in an effort to disarm the targeted populace. In this way, the globalists intend to terminate gun ownership — planetwide — so that there will be no threat to their future One World Government. This will enable them to create a totalitarian superstate with tyrannical powers.
CIA Operation: “Las Vegas — American Gladio” (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=85523)
‘Fast & Furious’ Type Operation Gone Bad
Sometimes Deep State surreptitiously stacks up multiple ops only to use the most provocative ones to lead the audience astray. The inclusion of covert arms dealer Stephen Paddock within this whole narrative appears to be a Fast & Furious, take two. The fact is that these patently illegal arms deals are going on 24/7 across the country, and Las Vegas is the nerve center. The key point is that the different settings of illicit transactions can easily be used as the context within which to stage a false flag within a false flag…just they did in Vegas.

This is where it can get very interesting because when the decision-makers engineer these events, they hook up the false flag within the flag with a transparent hoax. This is how the American public is easily deceived about the real intention behind such a flagrant psyop as this one. Just what is the true purpose of this psyop?

PsyOp
Now we come to the very heart of this “Special Report”—the PsyOp. For the uninitiated, the psyop piece of such covert agendas often takes place in a realm of influence that is well outside of normal mundane affairs. This component can only be understood when viewed through the lens of occult astrology, cabalistic numerology and talmudic freemasonry. To give an adequate treatment of this exceedingly profound aspect of the “Mandalay Massacre” is well beyond the scope of this report, however.

What can be said about the precise planning that goes into these highly consequential social engineering programs is that the particular event, the exact location, and the specific timing are all chosen to have maximum effect. In other words, Sunday night, October 1, 2017, in front of the lit up all-seeing eye atop the Luxor pyramid, were all integral to carrying a successful psyop. This type of abstruse prep work is more fundamental than the positioning of the snipers because of what the Illuminati planners are really looking to accomplish.

There are two articles which only crack the window of understanding where it concerns these deep, dark intentions. The first one below offers a glimpse into the occult symbolism and barbaric ritual which surrounds the HARVEST sacrifice.
LAS VEGAS SACRIFICE: The Incredible Back Story Designed To Cover Up The Shocking Truth (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=85342)
The second article discloses some radioactive data points which illustrate how the Music Industry is tied directly into these psyops. While this information is more speculative in nature, the uncanny way in which so many inexplicable pieces fit in this conspiratorial puzzle can only mean one thing. Nevertheless, many folks will likely be challenged by the sordid angle, but it must be confronted sooner or later.


STUNNING DISCLOSURE ABOUT LAS VEGAS PSYOP
—The Jason Alead tattoo and the Illuminati game card! (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=85449)
http://stateofthenation2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/7472887ac5b80f8c010759cf0e10085d-game-cards-card-games.jpg (http://stateofthenation2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/7472887ac5b80f8c010759cf0e10085d-game-cards-card-games.jpg)

Prepackaged propaganda by Deep State and MSM
All false flag operations are well known for the many press accounts that read and look like they were written days in advance of the atrocity. That’s so the fictionlized media reports can be swiftly disseminated before the crime scene is even investigated. In this fashion, the patently false (and often implausible) narrative is quickly and deeply imprinted on the collective American psyche. Deep State surely has a special department at The Company (also known as CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia) dedicated solely to the fabrication of fake news that is used in the aftermath of these incessant false flags.

Here’s a ‘very nice’ graphic that shows the viewer exactly how the alleged gunman pulled off what was essentially an impossible feat of mass murder. Especially for a 64-year-old out-of-shape alcohol-drinking gambler, such an endeavor would be inconceivable. But the MSM swears that Stephen Paddock did it all by himself.


*Please click on the graphic to enlargehttp://stateofthenation2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/13960711101135457121298010-2.jpg (http://stateofthenation2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/13960711101135457121298010-2.jpg)

Conclusion
There are several goals which were on the NWO agenda where it concerns this tragic massacre of concert-goers in Las Vegas.

The explicit intention to terrorize We the People reigns supreme on that agenda as seen in the following horrifying video:
Raw Video Footage From Vegas Concert Venue Right After Shooting (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=85709)

The advancement of the globalist-incited Purple Revolution (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=56307) is also high up on the agenda. In an effort to remove Donald Trump from the White House, the Left will do whatever is necessary including the advocacy of unprecedented violence and mayhem.

So, too, is the substantial furtherance of the National Security State an imperative aim of these types of US government-sanctioned terror operations. For it is legislation signed by Barack Obama that technically (but not lawfully) permits the government to conduct acts of false flag terror against the populace.
“FALSE FLAGS” are LEGAL PROPAGANDA PRODUCED by the Department of Defense (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=29475)

Armed with this knowledge, the American people are obligated to take back the nation from those who have arrogated such unlawful power unto themselves. We the People must also retrieve the trillions stolen from the treasury from those who continue to steal our national wealth.

If the ruthless slaughter at the HARVEST does not sufficiently galvanize the patriot movement to take back their power, what in God’s creation will? Especially after the very same criminally insane psychopaths have gotten away with 9/11, it would seem that their time has finally come.


http://stateofthenation2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Quotation-Edmund-Burke-The-only-thing-necessary-for-the-triumph-of-evil-is-4-17-35.jpg (http://stateofthenation2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Quotation-Edmund-Burke-The-only-thing-necessary-for-the-triumph-of-evil-is-4-17-35.jpg)

State of the Nation (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=85711)
October 7, 2017
Special Note
There were a number of warnings prior to the Las Vegas mass shooting that were issued in different ways, each of which warrants serious investigation. All of these contributes to the theory that there was foreknowledge of this terror attack at the highest levels of the intel community. As follows:


Mystery Lady Warns Las Vegas Concert-goers 45 Minutes Before Massacre That Many Would Soon Die (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=85184)
Las Vegas False Flag: Anonymous 4chan User Warned of Attack 3 Weeks in Advance (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=85421)
YouTuber Perfectly PREDICTS Las Vegas 2 Weeks BEFORE the Incident! (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=85274)

Editor’s Note
You know the secret services and intel agencies are right behind these MCIs when the headlines read as follows:
Las Vegas Strip shooter targeted aviation fuel tanks, source says (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=85599)
Why was the stage in Vegas re-illuminated after it went dark which enabled the shooter(s) to see the crowd? (Video) (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=85224)

Source
[1] LV Strip (Nevada gaming area) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LV_Strip_%28Nevada_gaming_area%29)
References
The Truth About The Different Shooting Incidents At Mandalay Bay (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=85771)
Las Vegas Shooting: Who or what is moving on the roof above word “HARVEST”? (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=85581)
Vegas Massacre: Were drones also used in the mass shooting? (Video) (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=85479)
BREAKING BOMBSHELL – VEGAS SHOOTER DID NOT FIRE FIRST ROUNDS OF SHOTS (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=85643)
Addendum

Insider’s report on how the HARVEST crime scene investigation was immediately taken over by the FBI whereupon Stephen Paddock was asserted to be a lone gunman.


http://stateofthenation2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Screen-Shot-2017-10-07-at-4.46.37-PM.png (http://stateofthenation2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Screen-Shot-2017-10-07-at-4.46.37-PM.png)

SOURCE (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=85796)

[Tbone500]

THERE WAS NO MASACRE, it was ALL STAGED!!!!

Its so obvious!!

[Tbone500]

Help me out MODERATOR.

Let me explain: The killing of said people would bring in the karmic question.
THEY like to think ahead...

THEY.... cant find isis dunbasses in Las Vegas, like in Syria..

It was all STAGED.. period.

[Tbone500]

And anyone ( like Paul??)

Who say it is an active shooting..wel...... isnt going to be here for much longer.

THE TROlLS!!!!! :)

I bet the moderator means me, but I have faith..

I believe 30% of Avalon is in FACT NSA...

I am not...

[Caliban]

Man, that's incredible. I hope you all watch this video and pass it around. Very, very bizarre stuff going in there. Taking a victim away in a wheelbarrow!!! Floating people!! And shoes, shoes, shoes, shoes...


[QUOTE=waves;1184247]This is a lady trying to compile possible photoshop and/or staging anomalies in videos and photos. I'm not endorsing anything at this point, but at least this appears to be a normal person trying on her own. Not sure what she's right or wrong about, but I like some of her observations and effort.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zSHuXJbxoQ

Here's another I found, apparently they suspended her first account for the above video. This one is a forensic examination of what's kinda become the famous "taxicab" video.
LA_iytWe02g

[Tbone500]

YES!!!! it was a STAGED event involving more than a 1000 on the inside...

BUT Could it be?

Ofcourse!!!

[Tbone500]

THEY would do ANYTHING... to control you/ RIGHT?
This Staged event was in there idea!..

I still dont believe Paul would fall for it, unless he is Guilty!

[Tbone500]

Which brings me to Paul...

youre next in line kinda guy..

Here for years and (and if you look closely) only comes with news others brought!!!

Hm... I dont trust Paul at all...

[KiwiElf]

TBone500 - I respectfully suggest you zip it! You are WAY out of line!

[Tbone500]

The only sain explenation is that it was STAGED...
Anyone going from that line..... is stupid!!

¤=[Post Update]=¤

KARMA is no joke and the Evil ones are Creation's best bet at finding out its karma...
I used to be one of them. Not anymore.
Been tortered ever since...

In my mind.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

If you in Avalon say to me ZIP IT/ then i think..... you are not loving.
All I can say at this moment.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Dont ever dare that again without the leverage of understang Unity.
Becauwe if you do... youre going to be hurt.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

I dare you and the fools inside Avalon rule?

NO WAY..!!!

This was a TEST for real.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

If... i wanted to piiss on you, would i have not been better prepared?

In love, Erik.

[Harley]

Tbone500 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?32634-Tbone500)

Looking forward to seeing this guys name Up In Lights

In the RECORD of MODERATOR ACTIONS (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78116-RECORD-of-MODERATOR-ACTIONS)!

[Bill Ryan]

Tbone500 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?32634-Tbone500)

Looking forward to seeing this guys name Up In Lights

In the RECORD of MODERATOR ACTIONS (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78116-RECORD-of-MODERATOR-ACTIONS)!

Thanks! That's what I call teamwork... all I had to do was click the link you kindly provided.


The account of Tbone500 has [swiftly!] been closed. (As Harley accurately predicted in his post immediately after this one here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100040&p=1184274#post1184274) :) )

:focus:

[KiwiElf]

Posted by Tbone500
If... i wanted to piiss on you, would i have not been better prepared?

In love, Erik.


If no-one minds, I suddenly feel the need for another shower,... :ROFL:

:focus:

[Noelle]

Tbone500 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?32634-Tbone500)

Looking forward to seeing this guys name Up In Lights

In the RECORD of MODERATOR ACTIONS (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78116-RECORD-of-MODERATOR-ACTIONS)!

Was that a real person or a bot? Yeesh!

[Tyy1907]

Tbone500 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?32634-Tbone500)

Looking forward to seeing this guys name Up In Lights

In the RECORD of MODERATOR ACTIONS (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78116-RECORD-of-MODERATOR-ACTIONS)!

Was that a real person or a bot? Yeesh!

Weapon of mass distraction lol

[KiwiElf]

Is Paddock still alive????

1P8aCCYuXgE

[KiwiElf]

Wikileaks Julian Assange Just Revealed What Really Happened In Las Vegas and It Is BAD For The FBI - apparently there's a tweet out there from JA?

1IxA0eTNskA

EDIT: This relates to Turiya's earlier post #272
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100040-Active-shooter-in-Las-Vegas-59-dead-527-injured/page14

[Bill Ryan]

Is Paddock still alive????


Totally different face. Eyes much closer together. And look carefully... the guy in the video is left-handed. :)

You could go through the crowded casinos in LV in a couple hours and find 100 people who look just a little like him.

The alt media at its worst. It's like people get quickly bored with doing routine (but sometimes mundane and unrewarding) feet-on-the ground investigation, and resort to easy-picking flights of fancy instead.

[Bill Ryan]

Wikileaks Julian Assange Just Revealed What Really Happened In Las Vegas and It Is BAD For The FBI - apparently there's a tweet out there from JA?

Here's the source:


https://politicalmayhem.news/wikileaks-julian-assange-just-revealed-what-really-happened-in-las-vegas-and-it-is-bad-for-the-fbi

Assange tweeted (on 5 October)



Almost all “terror” plots are created by the FBI as part of its business model.
What is the business of the FBI? Extracting tax. What does it need to do that? A stable threat. Prob? Real terrorists are sporadic & make FBI look weak. Solution? Make them.
and



The FBI is giving guns to the mentally ill to attack people then leaping in to save the day, cameras rolling. What a bunch of jerks.

[Bill Ryan]

But this is interesting:


https://facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1677577062266157&set=pcb.1677587885598408&type=3&theater

Rikki Raulerson (https://www.facebook.com/rikki.raulerson)
October 3 at 7:40pm

~~~




So here goes.... Especially to those of you saying to stop talking about this, stop making assumptions etc.

Call me crazy, call me dramatic, call me whatever you want. I'm posting this for those of us who were on the strip Sunday night, who know what we saw and what we were told by police officers, security guards, and even the local news when all of this madness started. And I am posting this in hopes of informing others who have believed everything they've seen on the news. If while leaving the Cosmopolitan, we had been told there was one shooting at the Mandalay Bay, Anthony and I would have not been worried for our lives and we would have continued to go out, knowing we weren't headed to that particular area of the strip. But that's not what we were told. We were told that there were 7 confirmed shooters, and confirmed deaths at multiple hotels. Including Bellagio, the Aria and New York New York. Being told this by a security guard, who then told us to go to the third floor for safety. However, Anthony says, "No Rikki. This is a very popular hotel, I don't feel like the third floor of this popular hotel in public is the safest place. We're going to try and get out of here right now." Running back to our hotel next door, Vdara, we are told once again by police/security checking our id and room key, "yes multiple hotels effected. Go to your room and do not leave." We then get to the room, immediately turn on the news and start watching out of our windows to figure out what is going on. The news also states, live, that the Bellagio had been effected and there was one confirmed death.

Now... skip ahead about an hour. The news is no longer stating anything about the other hotels effected. They say it is one person. Every bit of info that was being initially given to us was disappearing. We could physically see from our window view, fire alarms going off at the cosmopolitan, and multiple cop cars and ambulances pulling up there as well. We wanted more information about what was happening at these other hotels right next to us, and we weren't getting it. And we still aren't.

Monday morning I am of course telling my friends and family about our experience, and I was starting to really feel like I was crazy. Everyone was telling me there was only one shooter, and I just couldn't understand what I had seen. Finally, other people like myself started speaking out. I was relieved to know that I wasn't crazy, but now just as confused as to why the media is trying to hide this information. There are now videos and statements popping up all over the web, showing proof of other shooters and other effected hotels.

Why are they trying to hide this?! If for no other reason, think about being a family member of the others who died or were injured at these other hotels. They deserve the respect, and the truth as to what happened to their loved ones.

[KiwiElf]

Is Paddock still alive????


Totally different face. Eyes much closer together. And look carefully... the guy in the video is left-handed. :)

You could go through the crowded casinos in LV in a couple hours and find 100 people who look just a little like him.


Exactly... a lookalike... & if Hervé's earlier post #289 of the body is also a lookalike - (not Paddock) - then where is Paddock? :confused:

[Daozen]

I have noticed a wave of unbalanced posters coming and going recently (I thought I had problems, :dog: but I guess not compared to these guys )... as the turmoil and awakening continues, this trend will only persist.

I have no suggestions, other than to say that people like this will keep on signing up.

This post is off-topic: Sorry, I don't know where else to put it.

[uzn]

Did you get this also in english or international News?


Stephen Paddock shot at Fueltanks at the airport

http://cdn3.spiegel.de/images/image-1199066-860_poster_16x9-qzsb-1199066.jpg

Stephen C. Paddocks has also hit a large fuel tank at nearby McCarran airport during his mass murder in Las Vegas. A bullet passed through the outer skin, according to an airport spokesman, but did not trigger a fire. Another projectile remained in the shell of the half-filled container.


Whether the shooter intentionally aimed at the 600 meters distant and filled with nearly seven million liters tank, is open.

That´s a quote from the german Spiegel:
http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/las-vegas-stephen-paddock-schoss-auf-treibstofftanks-am-flughafen-a-1171723.html
The rest of the article is the official storyline.

[Tintin]

I have a question, or more of a request, and it is probably really geared to the moderators or anyone else with the capability to download video from youtube: please, please could as many of you as possible download and make available to the forum critical video, audio, and make it available here for download. I would appreciate that hugely for sure. I would certainly want to obtain for my own research purposes the Bellagio footage, the LV taxi driver footage, and there would be others for sure. Maybe a repository on the forum, provided there is the capacity to do this. This is a very very important event to have absolutely a resource for, somewhere, in one place.

If anyone can help then I'd thank them hugely. (Or PM me, with link downloads, or via We Transfer). Thanks.

Hi Tintin - am putting this out there for everyone.

I'm using Internet Download Manager, which has a free trial period (I think 30 days), it's VERY fast and also shows you how many sources & formats of the same vid/mp3 etc are available - it will DL a whole lot more than just YT vids. For the relatively small cost I shelled out for a lifetime license. (...I DL a LOT of YT vids! ;)) Details here:

https://www.internetdownloadmanager.com/

PS - I've DL'd a pile of the earlier vids and am continuing to do so but you could be looking at quite a few GBs?

Thanks so much KiwiElf. I recently had a horrendous IT meltdown and am very much more cautious about which sites to go to, to obtain mp4s, mp3s etc. Basically, I was virused to oblivion and am now using a workplace bought machine; there's a fair amount of space on it so GBs isn't an issue, fortunately.

I always back up this sort of material on an external hard drive, not the cloud, and sometimes multiple hard drives. I am conscious of the fact that with increasing censorship of the web now getting well into its stride, that it is crucial for posterity to obtain as much relevant material as possible and store it in a safe place, offline. Again, thank you for the link.:highfive:

[Noelle]

If this has already been noted, forgive me. But I think it's interesting that the Associated Press put in one headline four days ago that the alleged shooter purchased 33 guns in the last year. The story ran in the NY Post, USA Today and other MSM outlets.

NY Post: Vegas shooter bought 33 guns in the past year (http://nypost.com/2017/10/04/vegas-shooter-bought-33-guns-in-the-past-year/)

[Hervé]

[...]
Exactly... a lookalike... & if Hervé's earlier post #289 of the body is also a lookalike - (not Paddock) - then where is Paddock? :confused:
He might be still gambling in Atlantic City...

From Jim Stone (http://82.221.129.208/.zx0.html):
BUSTED: STEVEN PADDOCK IS MOST LIKELY ALIVE (http://82.221.129.208/.zx0.html)

Someone claims to have shot a clandestine video of him gambling at Hurrah's in Atlantic City New Jersy on October 6, and I gotta say, this deserves some attention. His brother slipped up on national television and said he is alive. THAT COULD BE A SLIP UP, BUT WHAT ABOUT THIS:

CONTEXT: A man at the same gambling table with him noticed who he was and carefully recorded a crystal clear 18 second video of him gambling with his philipino girlfriend. "Paddock and his girlfriend" were seated side by side, across the table from him at an angle. I'd say that philipino chick next to him certainly adds some perspective. The guy shooting the video was smart about it, and at the same time got the Casino's activity schedule with a date of October 6 in the video also, to tag a known date on the video. I was skeptical about what people were posting until I finally got ahold of the video, and I have to say, this should be posted.

So how deep does the rabbit hole go? YOU DECIDE I GUESS, I have also cached this video on this web site to keep it from getting green pilled. You can right click it to save it yourself.

Ok, first take a look at this video. (http://82.221.129.208/spatlantic.mp4)There are better copies of this out there, but this will do when I have already burned a pile of bandwidth this month.

Then take a look at this photo and explain it.


http://82.221.129.208/explainthis.jpg

Seriously. Explain that. I HAVE NOT MADE A SPECIFIC CLAIM PADDOCK IS ALIVE. HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE AN EXPLANATION OF THIS, PLEASE.

[Noelle]

[...]
Exactly... a lookalike... & if Hervé's earlier post #289 of the body is also a lookalike - (not Paddock) - then where is Paddock? :confused:
He might be still gambling in Atlantic City...

From Jim Stone (http://82.221.129.208/.zx0.html):
BUSTED: STEVEN PADDOCK IS MOST LIKELY ALIVE (http://82.221.129.208/.zx0.html)

Someone claims to have shot a clandestine video of him gambling at Hurrah's in Atlantic City New Jersy on October 6, and I gotta say, this deserves some attention. His brother slipped up on national television and said he is alive. THAT COULD BE A SLIP UP, BUT WHAT ABOUT THIS:

CONTEXT: A man at the same gambling table with him noticed who he was and carefully recorded a crystal clear 18 second video of him gambling with his philipino girlfriend. "Paddock and his girlfriend" were seated side by side, across the table from him at an angle. I'd say that philipino chick next to him certainly adds some perspective. The guy shooting the video was smart about it, and at the same time got the Casino's activity schedule with a date of October 6 in the video also, to tag a known date on the video. I was skeptical about what people were posting until I finally got ahold of the video, and I have to say, this should be posted.

So how deep does the rabbit hole go? YOU DECIDE I GUESS, I have also cached this video on this web site to keep it from getting green pilled. You can right click it to save it yourself.

Ok, first take a look at this video. (http://82.221.129.208/spatlantic.mp4)There are better copies of this out there, but this will do when I have already burned a pile of bandwidth this month.

Then take a look at this photo and explain it.


http://82.221.129.208/explainthis.jpg

Seriously. Explain that. I HAVE NOT MADE A SPECIFIC CLAIM PADDOCK IS ALIVE. HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE AN EXPLANATION OF THIS, PLEASE.


Was he table games guy? I think he was into video poker.

[Hervé here: I've no idea; if he is not into table gambling, may be his girlfriend is?]

[Caliban]

We've all seen this photo below, because it was cropped from some outlets to avoid showing the dudes casually looking at their cell phones. But--check out the "cop" on the ground with his rifle extended. Is that a human being? Look at his head. Look at his butt. Look, zoom in if you can, and LOOK at his right foot and leg. Is that not a physical impossibility ? https://downtrend.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/lvsc2.jpg

[Bill Ryan]

A pretty useful resource list, from Rense.com (http://Rense.com):

CIA, ISIS, Mossad False Flag - Another 9/11 As More Americans
Slaughtered For The Agenda - 'Lee Harvey' Paddock Was Dressed
Up With Guns - But No Motive - Never Knew He Was Patsied


WH Source - Video Of Paddock Pledging Allegiance To ISIS - Vid (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=75&v=bgtWOLBxqIY)
Patsy Paddock Made An ISIS Video - Ex Trump Official (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-06/las-vegas-shooter-made-isis-tape-according-former-trump-campaign-official)
Mandalay Window Removal Easy, 2nd Shooter Proven - Vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQhYfFMocTE&t=0m30s)
Vegas Investigators 'Puzzled' - 2 Reasons Paddock Not Alone
(They're Trying To Back Into The Blatant Conspiracy Involved) (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-06/vegas-shooter-investigators-puzzled-believe-he-was-not-alone-two-reasons)
YouTube Fixes Its Search Algos To Hide Vegas Conspiracy (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-06/youtube-tweaks-its-search-algos-after-las-vegas-conspiracy-theories-go-viral)
Steve Wynn On His Fears Of Muslim Terror Attack In Las Vegas
And The Incredible CIA-Military Grade Security In All His Hotels (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkpTRYhFN9c&feature=youtu.be)
ISIS Weekly News Describes Paddock’s Islamic Conversion
This Is Why FBI Slapped Vegas Sheriff For Suggesting Paddock
'Had Help' - This Was An ISIS OP And FBI Is Trying To Hide That (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10/translated-isis-weekly-news-report-describes-stephen-paddocks-murderous-attack-islamic-conversion/)
ISIS Again Claims Paddock Converted 6 Months Ago (https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2017/10/05/new-isis-infographic-vegas-shooting-claims-paddock-converted-six-months-ago/)
Las Vegas Sheriff - Paddock Was Living A Secret Life
Is The Sheriff Alluding To A Muslim Conversion? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=dpc2Ro2u5Hs)
Sheriff Admits Paddock Didn't Act Alone, 'Had To Have Help' (https://www.naturalnews.com/2017-10-04-breaking-law-enforcement-says-las-vegas-shooter-did-not-act-alone-new-details.html)
Why Did FBI Slap Down Vegas Cops Over Sheriff Saying
Paddock Had To Have Had Help? What Is FBI Hiding? (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/did-stephen-paddock-have-accomplice-fbi-las-vegas-police-clash-over-co-conspirator-theory-1642009)
Where Are The 1,000s Of Rounds Of Paddock's Brass Casings? (http://rense.com/general96/where1000s.html)
'Lee Harvey' Paddock - Another 'Lone Gunman' LIE
Worst 'Suicide' Set-Up Of A Patsy Ever? (http://rense.com/general96/paddockblood.html) - Pics

Live Fire Video Section - These Videos PROVE Multiple Shooters


LISTEN - Simultaneous Firing Several Automatic Weapons - Vid (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYZyVb_6Xes)
HORRIFYING Vegas Cabbie Video - Hear PROOF Of Machine
Guns & Assault Rifles - Cabbie Rescues Concert Goers - Vid (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mBbOFwWquAw)
The SOUND Of The Mandaly Bay M-60 Machine Gun - Vid (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-q5XKBVGWI)
Vegas Cabbie Vid - LISTEN From :40 to 1:20 - Audio Proof Of
Multiple Shooters - Second Fires Right Above Her Location - Vid (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBbOFwWquAw&app=desktop)
Video Of Second Shooter On 4th Floor Of Mandalay Bay
With Machine Gun Muzzle Flashes Clearly Visible - Vid (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=475_Hc5MheI)
Video PROOF Of Second Shooter On FAR Lower Floor
With A PLATFORM MACHINE GUN Muzzle Blast, Sound (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bPwXdUFCxE)
Video Freeze Of Three Muzzle Flash Shooter Locations (http://rense.com/general96/3muzflash.html)
Las Vegas Police Release Body Cam Footage - Vid (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjMjoH5xB3A)
Horrific Live Kill Zone Video - No 'Crisis Actors'
Just Real Blood, Dead Victims - Discretion Advised - Vid (https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=63b_1507062726)
Edited Police Radio Traffic Confirms MULTIPLE Shooters - Vid (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwD2pypWu-E)

End Live Fire Video Section


Wounded Victims, Families Rage At YouTube For Posting
Videos Claiming The Massacre Was Some Kind Of Hoax (https://www.yahoo.com/news/las-vegas-shooting-survivors-condemn-085601127.html)
Paddock GF - 'Never Occurred To Me He Was Thinking Violence' (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/10/04/investigators-question-girlfriend-of-las-vegas-shooter-seeking-to-probe-mind-of-shooter/?utm_term=.93779545d361)
Las Vegas Media Discounting All Other Hotel Reports (http://www.ktnv.com/news/authorities-debunk-social-media-rumors-of-more-than-one-shooter) - Vid
Proof Something Happened At The Bellagio Hotel - Vid (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK1SZhVC9sg)
Shots Fired Into The Bellagio Hotel Entrance? - Vid (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyHJZ3uih9A)
Bellagio Front Entry Sprayed With Gunfire? - Vid (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=71&v=-m7X63stwf8)
Claims Of '20 Shots' Fired In Caesar's 15 Min After Massacre- Vid (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqTZqGGOxac)
Girlfriend 'Had No Idea' Patsy Paddock Was Planning Harm (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/04/us/las-vegas-shooting.html)
There WAS A Shooting At New York New York Hotel (http://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/shooting-at-new-york-new-york-in-las-vegas/81645344)
DtRH - Did You Hear The One About The Lone Gunman? (http://rense.com/general96/DtRH62.pdf) - pdf
Hero Ex Marine Stole Truck, Transported Dozens To Hospital (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-03/meet-former-marine-who-stole-truck-transported-dozens-hospital-after-vegas-shooting)
One Shooter With Assault Rifles? Time & Bullets Don't Add Up (http://rense.com/general96/dontaddup.html)
Rappoport - False Flag In Las Vegas Shooting (https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2017/10/03/false-flag-in-vegas-shooting/)
More Than One Vegas Shooter - The Evidence Builds (https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2017/10/03/more-than-one-vegas-shooter-the-evidence-builds/)
Obama-Hillary Allies Bear Responsibility For Las Vegas Massacre (http://rense.com/general96/obamhil.html)
Photos Of Mandalay Bay, Shooters Room & Concert Stage (http://rense.com/general96/roomstage.html)
ISIS CLAIMS VEGAS SLAUGHTER, Says Shooter A MUSLIM CONVERT (https://www.rt.com/usa/405409-isis-responsibility-vegas-shooting/)
ISIS Threatens 'Lone Wolf' Hit On Las Vegas Strip In May (https://pamelageller.com/2017/05/isis-las-vegas-jihad-threats.html/)
ISIS Threat Video Of June 2016 - Vid (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwBE17j-fj4)
Horrifying Scenes Of Las Vegas Massacre On Cam - Vid (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JpsqirFRdTo)[/URL]
[URL="http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/10/02/gregg-jarrett-las-vegas-shooting-uninformed-hillary-shamelessly-politicizes-nevada-tragedy.html"]Clinton Shamelessly Politicizes Las Vegas Tragedy (http://keepvid.com/?url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpsqirFRdTo)
Mystery Woman Told Crowd 'You're All Gonna 'F*cking Die' (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/vegas-shooting-stephen-paddock-attack-warning-eyewitness-what-happened-latest-news-updates-a7978821.html)
TWO Hotel Room Windows Broken Out For Shooting - Photo
573 People Dead & Wounded By Another 'Lone Gunman' BS (https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/shootings/shooters-brother-its-like-an-asteroid-just-fell-on-top-of-our-family/)
Las Vegas Mass Shooting…More Than One Shooter? (https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2017/10/02/las-vegas-mass-shooting-more-than-one-shooter/)
Rappoport - Questions Swirl In Las Vegas Mass Shooting (https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2017/10/02/questions-swirl-in-the-las-vegas-mass-shooting/)

I should say personally that this Rense interview with Jim Fetzer, now 3 days old, is the most useful presentation I've found so far to show others who are wanting to catch up with all this. More good information will certainly emerge, but it's a valuable interim summary:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbUUphyZ_6s

[KiwiElf]

We've all seen this photo below, because it was cropped from some outlets to avoid showing the dudes casually looking at their cell phones. But--check out the "cop" on the ground with his rifle extended. Is that a human being? Look at his head. Look at his butt. Look, zoom in if you can, and LOOK at his right foot and leg. Is that not a physical impossibility ? https://downtrend.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/lvsc2.jpg

Apart from the photo looking completely staged,.. ;) the cop on the ground looks ok to me? His lower torso/hip is twisted slightly on his left side; his left leg almost straight out; what looks like his butt is his right upper hip/leg facing directly toward the camera? (it is one of those "optically confusing" pics :)) What do you see [wrong] with his head?

[Tintin]

Oopsie daisy: looks like we have another Sandy Hook before the event article.

Search "WGOW stephen paddock" in Google and check the date.
Google never mis-date articles

36244

Source is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CQCMZ43kLE

[Caliban]

We've all seen this photo below, because it was cropped from some outlets to avoid showing the dudes casually looking at their cell phones. But--check out the "cop" on the ground with his rifle extended. Is that a human being? Look at his head. Look at his butt. Look, zoom in if you can, and LOOK at his right foot and leg. Is that not a physical impossibility ? https://downtrend.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/lvsc2.jpg

Apart from the photo looking completely staged,.. ;) the cop on the ground looks ok to me? His lower torso/hip is twisted slightly on his left side; what looks like his butt is his right upper hip/leg facing directly toward the camera? What do you see with his head?

His head was the first thing that made me look closer at the picture. It's hard to verbalize it, but it doesn't look like a human head. And his butt is so bumpy or "bunchy", it doesn't match what you can see of his torso. But the leg and foot seem so impossibly twisted. I tried to lie like that and my foot can "sort of" point out to the right, but his looks like it was cracked to get into that position.

[KiwiElf]

OK, let's take a look... Cropped, enlarged x3 & lightened (click on pic to enlarge)
- he might be wearing one of those mic/earpiece headsets (what appears to be his jawline...)?

36245

[From Hervé: High rez picture Here (http://www.cbs19.tv/img/resize/content.wwltv.com/photo/2017/10/02/GettyImages-856494168_1506931421780_11276197_ver1.0.jpg) (<---)]

[Bill Ryan]

OK, let's take a look

Well, there are two things we could be looking at here. (At least! :) )

http://projectavalon.net/LV_cop_on_ground.jpg

or

https://www.denimsandjeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/united_states_flag_map-400x266.png

[KiwiElf]

OK, let's take a look... Cropped, enlarged x3 & lightened (click on pic to enlarge)
- he might be wearing one of those mic/earpiece headsets (what appears to be his jawline...)?

36245

[From Hervé: High rez picture Here (http://www.cbs19.tv/img/resize/content.wwltv.com/photo/2017/10/02/GettyImages-856494168_1506931421780_11276197_ver1.0.jpg) (<---)]

Ahhh perfecto - thank you Hervé -always good to get hi res... and another perspective ;) (... & I still can't see anything strange with the cop! - other than he must be darned uncomfortable!):confused:

[Noelle]

Oopsie daisy: looks like we have another Sandy Hook before the event article.

Search "WGOW stephen paddock" in Google and check the date.
Google never mis-date articles

36244

Source is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CQCMZ43kLE

I believe it's fairly easy to modify article publication dates. Could it be a fabricated oops? Did the article's publisher intentionally change it to bait or to confuse those paying attention?

[KiwiElf]

OK, let's take a look

Well, there are two things we could be looking at here. (At least! :) )

http://projectavalon.net/LV_cop_on_ground.jpg

or

https://www.denimsandjeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/united_states_flag_map-400x266.png

LOL America is Hollywood is America ;)

[Bill Ryan]

LOL America is Hollywood is America ;)

Yes. :)

My point (maybe not very well made!) is that this event just can't be seen in isolation. I'm 100.00% certain the shootings were real — but if one thinks about it for a moment, that actually doesn't matter. It's the intended effects on opinion and emotion that are the issue.

If there are more incidents like this over the next few weeks, then this is a real serious danger signal that may affect everyone in the US. (Not you and me, many thousands of miles away.) We know that Antifa radicals have warned of major events beginning 4 November (http://www.anonews.co/antifa-november-4th). That's less than a month away now.

If they're serious, and if that all has covert Deep State backing, then there could be hell to come quite soon. Sounds scary, and hope I'm very wrong. But my attention is locked on this right now, and that for me is often a barometer of something to be taken seriously — whether planned events come to pass, or not.

Looking at individual, local photos and dissecting them microscopically is (I'd suggest, with genuine respect!) unproductive, diversionary wheel-spinning. These are specks of dust on the metaphorical screen, and may not even be anything significant or real. What about the plot of the movie?

The bigger picture may be so large that it's really hard to look at. It's far easier to focus on simple details that in the bigger picture mean very little — and maybe nothing at all.

[KiwiElf]

Yep - agreed. "They" are assessing the feedback to determine how effective it is & how to fine tune their next "incident"(s) = complete confusion & chaos

(Likewise I didn't make my point too clear with the "lookalike" scenario/video on the the previous page - you beat me to the gun before I could finish annotating it, but end result achieved ;))

[alexius]

Not sure if this has been posted. If not. Can someone help analyze this video. Looks like a person is crouching in, hits the flashlight and starts shooting straight into the crowd.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAULgl6Kja0&t=0s

Maybe if someone can store it before it gets taken down from youtube. According to other sources the same video has been taken down multiple times. (not sure if it's only due to graphic images etc)

[KiwiElf]

Have downloaded it alexius - thank you! ;) Time for a break & a Kit Kat - a new day is dawning :sun:

[Hervé]

I think "they" found out who actually did it, all by his lonesome self...


https://www.sott.net/image/s21/424052/full/fake_o.jpg

[KiwiElf]

LOL - you crack me up, Hervé! :bigsmile:... ahhhh isn't Photoshop wonderful! :)

[Omni]

Take a trip down the rabbit hole and read about the technologies they use to induce/persuade/coerce events like these: Total Individual Control Technology (http://www.technologywiki.org/index.php?title=Total_Individual_Control_Technology). The link is a very long list of bullet points and quotes taken from many aspects of my own work from the last couple years. I have paid a high price for this knowledge. This truth does not come without sacrifice...

Those who have obtained these technologies are the epitome of dirty and sick minded. I have zero doubt they are behind all manner of heinous events with these technologies worldwide. I have to look no further than my email inbox, twitter notifications, or skype for confirmation (beyond my own case).

[Cidersomerset]

The note on the table contained numbers....This may have
already posted....

Source: Las Vegas shooter's note contained calculations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zF6IcKSSlfk
Published on 7 Oct 2017
A note in the hotel room of the Las Vegas shooter contained
calculations pertaining to the distance and trajectory from
his window to the festival crowd below, according to a law
enforcement source. CNN's Stephanie Elam reports.

====================================
====================================

More info revealed on Las Vegas shooter and his girlfriend

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFBCGF-NnV4
Published on 8 Oct 2017
Will Carr reports on the latest known details.

====================================
====================================
Eric Shawn reports: Paddock, a blank slate?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0CszcRM4hs
Published on 8 Oct 2017
'America's News HQ': Nevada Lt. Gov. Mark Hutchison
talks possible motivations of Las Vegas shooter.

===================================
===================================
Eric Shawn reports: The search for Steven Paddock's motive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcj13YrOM1M
Published on 7 Oct 2017
(Ret) Lt. Randy Sutton of Las Vegas Police on the mass
murder's message.

==================================
==================================
Las Vegas massacre sparks gun control debate across
the country
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpGH9400zOA
Published on 7 Oct 2017
The ongoing gun control debate was reignited after Sunday's
deadly attack in Las Vegas. Robyn Thomas, the executive
director of the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, joins
CBSN with more on what states are doing in wake of
the massacre.

[Tintin]

Oopsie daisy: looks like we have another Sandy Hook before the event article.

Search "WGOW stephen paddock" in Google and check the date.
Google never mis-date articles

36244

Source is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CQCMZ43kLE

I believe it's fairly easy to modify article publication dates. Could it be a fabricated oops? Did the article's publisher intentionally change it to bait or to confuse those paying attention?

I don't doubt that that is possible, but, the article appeared on WGOW, in fact twice, once on the AM and again on the FM pages on the same day, with the date 29 Sept. If you visit that site now the date viewable appears to have been modified to fit the official timeline. Personally think that this was a bloop as with Sandy Hook, and, back in 1963 with the LHO article appearing in a New Zealand paper, I believe, and I may not have remembered this exactly, at a time that was I think just before the assassination. The time differential may not have been factored in properly.

Who provided the story about Stephen Paddock to WGOW is as yet unknown. I am hitching my wagon to the likelihood that this was absolutely planned, as many of us suspect is seemingly abundantly clear now, and executed by another hand - the MO is just way too close to previous instances to be mere chance.

[Cidersomerset]

In this live chat The Las Vegas massacre James Fetzer is more clued up than he
was in the Rense interview in #286. Excellent overall summery of the political
situation from the Deep state, corporations and intel agencies and how this
Vegas shooting is another possible 'false flag' to continue their agenda...

The Las Vegas Massacre (Full Story)- Jim Fetzer, Dean Ryan and Marine John
Anderson Speaks out in this live chat....

OSvMkiPR4i8

Published on 6 Oct 2017
Professor James Fetzer Ph.D and Dean Ryan tell the full story of 'The Las Vegas
Massacre' from all different perspectives. Interview with Former Marine John

Anderson who was a on the ground witness to the massacre.

Quantum surveillance security roll out....


Jeff & Prof James Fetzer - Las Vegas…The Searing Truth CIA , Mossad and ISIS are
the same....False Flag Vegas Massacre
http://www.rense.com/Datapages/FFvegasmasscre.htm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbUUphyZ_6s
Published on 6 Oct 2017
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100040-Active-shooter-in-Las-Vegas-59-dead-527-injured&p=1184117&viewfull=1#post1184117

[KiwiElf]

Yes, you're quite correct Tintin - News of JFK's assassination/death appeared in NZ Newspapers before it had actually happened (if I recall, that fact is also mentioned in Oliver Stone's "JFK" movie)

[Satori]

Not sure if this has been posted. If not. Can someone help analyze this video. Looks like a person is crouching in, hits the flashlight and starts shooting straight into the crowd.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAULgl6Kja0&t=0s

Maybe if someone can store it before it gets taken down from youtube. According to other sources the same video has been taken down multiple times. (not sure if it's only due to graphic images etc)

I've seen this before and looked at it again 3 more times just now. I see nothing along the lines of what you are suggesting.

[alexius]

I've seen this before and looked at it again 3 more times just now. I see nothing along the lines of what you are suggesting.

8 seconds in a person comes into frame from the lower left corner.

[Noelle]

Take a trip down the rabbit hole and read about the technologies they use to induce/persuade/coerce events like these: Total Individual Control Technology (http://www.technologywiki.org/index.php?title=Total_Individual_Control_Technology). The link is a very long list of bullet points and quotes taken from many aspects of my own work from the last couple years. I have paid a high price for this knowledge. This truth does not come without sacrifice...

Those who have obtained these technologies are the epitome of dirty and sick minded. I have zero doubt they are behind all manner of heinous events with these technologies worldwide. I have to look no further than my email inbox, twitter notifications, or skype for confirmation (beyond my own case).

Do you think Paddock was manipulated by these technologies? Or was everyone involved in the event manipulated to play their parts? One more or: Was the entire event a virtual reality construct (created by AI or black project workers)? If I sound confused, it's because I am. :confused: There's so much that they can do with these technologies.

[Caliban]

LOL America is Hollywood is America ;)

Yes. :)

My point (maybe not very well made!) is that this event just can't be seen in isolation. I'm 100.00% certain the shootings were real — but if one thinks about it for a moment, that actually doesn't matter. It's the intended effects on opinion and emotion that are the issue.

If there are more incidents like this over the next few weeks, then this is a real serious danger signal that may affect everyone in the US. (Not you and me, many thousands of miles away.) We know that Antifa radicals have warned of major events beginning 4 November (http://www.anonews.co/antifa-november-4th). That's less than a month away now.

If they're serious, and if that all has covert Deep State backing, then there could be hell to come quite soon. Sounds scary, and hope I'm very wrong. But my attention is locked on this right now, and that for me is often a barometer of something to be taken seriously — whether planned events come to pass, or not.

Looking at individual, local photos and dissecting them microscopically is (I'd suggest, with genuine respect!) unproductive, diversionary wheel-spinning. These are specks of dust on the metaphorical screen, and may not even be anything significant or real. What about the plot of the movie?

The bigger picture may be so large that it's really hard to look at. It's far easier to focus on simple details that in the bigger picture mean very little — and maybe nothing at all.

That's interesting Bill, in that just today you posted about 100 links to the very "simple details" that might mean "little... or nothing at all." But, okay.

However, I tend to agree, on the whole. Helene West said something on here a month or so ago that pretty much went ignored but hit me very hard. That while we go on and on speculating about this and many other similar topics... nothing changes. Things go on and seem to worsen.

You might say well, we're spreading the word, shedding light, etc. But we're really doing nothing. Or, nothing much. Or, we're doing just what THEY want us to be doing. Going round and round in endless speculation and theorizing.

Yes, we have brilliant people here, yes we have subtle analysis and yes we probably get close to the truth of things. But, one--most people "out there" don't care to hear about it, proved to me just tonight in a conversation. This is all too much for people with "busy lives" to handle, hear about, and possibly research. And two--what are we accomplishing? Is all this sharing of information, which is what we're doing--going to lead to any true changes in society? Or is this a "private" little club and we could just as well be playing five card stud?

[Satori]

I've seen this before and looked at it again 3 more times just now. I see nothing along the lines of what you are suggesting.

8 seconds in a person comes into frame from the lower left corner.

Thank you. I do see that. It appears that this person who crouched down then has flashes of light appear very near him and coinciding with the sound of what seems to be gunfire. Then, at about 19 seconds or so, a person appears right in front of the camera holding what seems to be a weapon. This person is in a tan shirt, with yellow stripes (like reflector material), and appears to be the same person who crouched down just before what seems like weapons fire started.

[Satori]

I've seen this before and looked at it again 3 more times just now. I see nothing along the lines of what you are suggesting.

8 seconds in a person comes into frame from the lower left corner.

Thank you. I do see that. It appears that this person who crouched down then has flashes of light appear very near him and coinciding with the sound of what seems to be gunfire. Then, at about 19 seconds or so, a person appears right in front of the camera holding what seems to be a weapon. This person is in a tan shirt, with yellow stripes (like reflector material), and appears to be the same person who crouched down just before what seems like weapons fire started.

This person is a male and looks like he is in a law enforcement uniform. He's holding what appears to me to be a hand gun. It could be a small uzi-type automatic weapon. He looks guilty as hell of something.

[KiwiElf]

LOL America is Hollywood is America ;)

Yes. :)

My point (maybe not very well made!) is that this event just can't be seen in isolation. I'm 100.00% certain the shootings were real — but if one thinks about it for a moment, that actually doesn't matter. It's the intended effects on opinion and emotion that are the issue.

If there are more incidents like this over the next few weeks, then this is a real serious danger signal that may affect everyone in the US. (Not you and me, many thousands of miles away.) We know that Antifa radicals have warned of major events beginning 4 November (http://www.anonews.co/antifa-november-4th). That's less than a month away now.

If they're serious, and if that all has covert Deep State backing, then there could be hell to come quite soon. Sounds scary, and hope I'm very wrong. But my attention is locked on this right now, and that for me is often a barometer of something to be taken seriously — whether planned events come to pass, or not.

Looking at individual, local photos and dissecting them microscopically is (I'd suggest, with genuine respect!) unproductive, diversionary wheel-spinning. These are specks of dust on the metaphorical screen, and may not even be anything significant or real. What about the plot of the movie?

The bigger picture may be so large that it's really hard to look at. It's far easier to focus on simple details that in the bigger picture mean very little — and maybe nothing at all.

That's interesting Bill, in that just today you posted about 100 links to the very "simple details" that might mean "little... or nothing at all." But, okay.

However, I tend to agree, on the whole. Helene West said something on here a month or so ago that pretty much went ignored but hit me very hard. That while we go on and on speculating about this and many other similar topics... nothing changes. Things go on and seem to worsen.

You might say well, we're spreading the word, shedding light, etc. But we're really doing nothing. Or, nothing much. Or, we're doing just what THEY want us to be doing. Going round and round in endless speculation and theorizing.

Yes, we have brilliant people here, yes we have subtle analysis and yes we probably get close to the truth of things. But, one--most people "out there" don't care to hear about it, proved to me just tonight in a conversation. This is all too much for people with "busy lives" to handle, hear about, and possibly research. And two--what are we accomplishing? Is all this sharing of information, which is what we're doing--going to lead to any true changes in society? Or is this a "private" little club and we could just as well be playing five card stud?

Always remember, "You can take the horse to water... etc", the baby & the bathwater, and "You can fool some of the people... etc" - :)

[alexius]

I've seen this before and looked at it again 3 more times just now. I see nothing along the lines of what you are suggesting.

8 seconds in a person comes into frame from the lower left corner.

Thank you. I do see that. It appears that this person who crouched down then has flashes of light appear very near him and coinciding with the sound of what seems to be gunfire. Then, at about 19 seconds or so, a person appears right in front of the camera holding what seems to be a weapon. This person is in a tan shirt, with yellow stripes (like reflector material), and appears to be the same person who crouched down just before what seems like weapons fire started.

This person is a male and looks like he is in a law enforcement uniform. He's holding what appears to me to be a hand gun. It could be a small uzi-type automatic weapon. He looks guilty as hell of something.

To me it appears as if the guy coming in to frame is also the individual providing the light-source. It looks a bit strange because at the moment when the light gets on, there is a person standing very close to it, he/she crouches down instantly. Between 8-9 seconds, people further away that gets hit by the flashlight seems drop down effortlessly. This all happens together with the sound of bullets going off.

I do agree that there is plenty of similarities between the one person I mention and the one coming into frame around 19 seconds in. Can't really tell because it's very dark.. It does look like he has something in his right hand.

Edit: Also pay attention to the crowd all around. Look at the reaction/movement when the shots go off. They all seem to react to something happening near this centre where the guy comes creeping in.

[Hervé]

I've seen this before and looked at it again 3 more times just now. I see nothing along the lines of what you are suggesting.

8 seconds in a person comes into frame from the lower left corner.

Thank you. I do see that. It appears that this person who crouched down then has flashes of light appear very near him and coinciding with the sound of what seems to be gunfire. Then, at about 19 seconds or so, a person appears right in front of the camera holding what seems to be a weapon. This person is in a tan shirt, with yellow stripes (like reflector material), and appears to be the same person who crouched down just before what seems like weapons fire started.

See this same video's first part repeated in slow-mo here: https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a35_1507244524


Still no broken windows (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100040-Active-shooter-in-Las-Vegas-59-dead-527-injured&p=1183687&viewfull=1#post1183687) on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay:

(https://www.capecod.com/wp-content/uploads/NWS_VEGAS1_MHP.jpg)
https://www.sott.net/image/s21/423948/header/bc239ec5_4cd2_4389_af32_9c04b9.jpg (https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/TIqMuJRe0kuqDXge3JCOEA--~B/aD0zNjQ4O3c9NTQ3MjtzbT0xO2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/http://media.zenfs.com/en/homerun/feed_manager_auto_publish_494/04679aa9be89f84c081441006d38daf2)
Police officers stand at the scene of a shooting near the Mandalay Bay resort and casino on the Las Vegas Strip, Sunday, Oct. 1, 2017, in Las Vegas.
CapeCod.com 5472 × 3648 (https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/TIqMuJRe0kuqDXge3JCOEA--~B/aD0zNjQ4O3c9NTQ3MjtzbT0xO2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/http://media.zenfs.com/en/homerun/feed_manager_auto_publish_494/04679aa9be89f84c081441006d38daf2) (click on picture for High-rez Version)




From that evidence alone, the whole house of cards narrative falls down flat on its face. No quibbles!

[KiwiElf]

I think we have all established the false flag without a doubt;

Who benefits? What's the bigger Picture? Where is this going? What's next?

(And maybe those should be treated as rhetorical questions so we don't give the AI any clues ;))

[Bill Ryan]

LOL America is Hollywood is America ;)

Yes. :)

My point (maybe not very well made!) is that this event just can't be seen in isolation. I'm 100.00% certain the shootings were real — but if one thinks about it for a moment, that actually doesn't matter. It's the intended effects on opinion and emotion that are the issue.

If there are more incidents like this over the next few weeks, then this is a real serious danger signal that may affect everyone in the US. (Not you and me, many thousands of miles away.) We know that Antifa radicals have warned of major events beginning 4 November (http://www.anonews.co/antifa-november-4th). That's less than a month away now.

If they're serious, and if that all has covert Deep State backing, then there could be hell to come quite soon. Sounds scary, and hope I'm very wrong. But my attention is locked on this right now, and that for me is often a barometer of something to be taken seriously — whether planned events come to pass, or not.

Looking at individual, local photos and dissecting them microscopically is (I'd suggest, with genuine respect!) unproductive, diversionary wheel-spinning. These are specks of dust on the metaphorical screen, and may not even be anything significant or real. What about the plot of the movie?

The bigger picture may be so large that it's really hard to look at. It's far easier to focus on simple details that in the bigger picture mean very little — and maybe nothing at all.

That's interesting Bill, in that just today you posted about 100 links to the very "simple details" that might mean "little... or nothing at all." But, okay.

Well, hardly! Some are small-picture, but others are not.

The very first article listed (http://rense.com/general96/isisgunmanvegas.html) quotes this, for instance:

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According to a source in the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department:

“The LVMPD knows the motive behind the attack, but the FBI will not allow us to release the motive because it implicates the FBI in illegal arms deals and supplying arms to ISIS terrorists within U.S. borders. Stephen Paddock was an undercover FBI agent who participated in multiple illegal arms deals in the Las Vegas area in a gun-running entrapment scheme similar to Fast and Furious. Paddock thought he was engaging in another routine arms transfer, but ISIS had learned about the entrapment scheme and Paddock’s true identity. They killed him and carried out the massacre, and then fled the scene.

“Everything is being kept under extreme wraps because 1) armed ISIS terrorists are still at large and 2) this is very embarrassing to the FBI and they don’t want their scheme to become public knowledge. . . . People within LVMP are disgusted and are pushing for this information to be released to the public.”

[Flash]

this makes sooooo much sense that it becomes truly scary





LOL America is Hollywood is America ;)

Yes. :)

My point (maybe not very well made!) is that this event just can't be seen in isolation. I'm 100.00% certain the shootings were real — but if one thinks about it for a moment, that actually doesn't matter. It's the intended effects on opinion and emotion that are the issue.

If there are more incidents like this over the next few weeks, then this is a real serious danger signal that may affect everyone in the US. (Not you and me, many thousands of miles away.) We know that Antifa radicals have warned of major events beginning 4 November (http://www.anonews.co/antifa-november-4th). That's less than a month away now.

If they're serious, and if that all has covert Deep State backing, then there could be hell to come quite soon. Sounds scary, and hope I'm very wrong. But my attention is locked on this right now, and that for me is often a barometer of something to be taken seriously — whether planned events come to pass, or not.

Looking at individual, local photos and dissecting them microscopically is (I'd suggest, with genuine respect!) unproductive, diversionary wheel-spinning. These are specks of dust on the metaphorical screen, and may not even be anything significant or real. What about the plot of the movie?

The bigger picture may be so large that it's really hard to look at. It's far easier to focus on simple details that in the bigger picture mean very little — and maybe nothing at all.

That's interesting Bill, in that just today you posted about 100 links to the very "simple details" that might mean "little... or nothing at all." But, okay.

Well, hardly! Some are small-picture, but others are not.

The very first article listed (http://rense.com/general96/isisgunmanvegas.html) quotes this, for instance:

~~~




According to a source in the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department:

“The LVMPD knows the motive behind the attack, but the FBI will not allow us to release the motive because it implicates the FBI in illegal arms deals and supplying arms to ISIS terrorists within U.S. borders. Stephen Paddock was an undercover FBI agent who participated in multiple illegal arms deals in the Las Vegas area in a gun-running entrapment scheme similar to Fast and Furious. Paddock thought he was engaging in another routine arms transfer, but ISIS had learned about the entrapment scheme and Paddock’s true identity. They killed him and carried out the massacre, and then fled the scene.

“Everything is being kept under extreme wraps because 1) armed ISIS terrorists are still at large and 2) this is very embarrassing to the FBI and they don’t want their scheme to become public knowledge. . . . People within LVMP are disgusted and are pushing for this information to be released to the public.”

[Bill Ryan]

this makes sooooo much sense that it becomes truly scary



Yes, no kidding. I would HIGHLY HIGHLY recommend that everyone reads — or at least fast-skims :) — this entire most excellent article.


http://rense.com/general96/isisgunmanvegas.html




ISIS Gunmen In Vegas Executed US Defense Spy Paddock

By Yoichi Shimatsu
8 October, 2017



Official cover-ups of crimes that implicate the national-security establishment, as the Vegas massacre surely has done, must be handled with patience learned from prior investigative experience in order to spot disinformation and assemble credible evidence into a reconstruction of the totality of the crime, including the sequence of events, role of other participants, relationship to the government, background and motive.

In pathetic contrast, the compliant news media portrays alleged gunman Stephen Paddock as a lone gunman and man of mystery without making an serious effort at uncovering his connections to the intelligence services, which happens to be the key to comprehending the reasons behind this puzzling mass murder. Then there is the planted single gunman claim like the FBI tip to Infowars that suspect Paddock was killed in the Bureau's assault and that antifa (anti-fascist, anti-racist anarchism) literature was found in the 32nd floor room at the Mandalay. (Las Vegas Sheriff Joseph Lombardo countered that falsehood from the FBI by stating forthrightly that more than one shooter was involved.) Here it will be shown that Paddock was anything but a radical anarchist and instead worked as a contract agent for the Defense Department and CIA.

The FBI-Las Vegas police feud was discussed at the 4chan thread, which was soon closed down for new comments:

According to a source in the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department:: “The LVMPD knows the motive behind the attack, but the FBI will not allow us to release the motive because it implicates the FBI in illegal arms deals and supplying arms to ISIS terrorists within U.S. borders. Stephen Paddock was an undercover FBI agent who participated in multiple illegal arms deals in the Las Vegas area in a gun-running entrapment scheme similar to Fast and Furious. Paddock thought he was engaging in another routine arms transfer, but ISIS had learned about the entrapment scheme and Paddock’s true identity. They killed him and carried out the massacre, and then fled the scene.

“Everything is being kept under extreme wraps because 1) armed ISIS terrorists are still at large and 2) this is very embarrassing to the FBI and they don’t want their scheme to become public knowledge. . . . People within LVMP are disgusted and are pushing for this information to be released to the public.”

Arguably more grotesque are the online snipers who falsely insist that the Vegas massacre never happened but was a stage-play faked by crisis actors. (There are crisis actors, but they are hired by public relations firms after a calamity to divert public attention from the actual trauma victims.)

Citizen journalism defies online censorship and trolls

In contrast to the paucity of information from the mainstream media, rense.com has posted eyewitness accounts and revelations from hotel staffers. Despite the shutdown of new comments under management pressure, the online boards reddit, 4chan and VOAT have done a fast and worthy job of separating out some nuggets of information from the chatter and planted disinfo. Unofficial citizen journalism has assembled the pieces needed for a cohesive picture of the alleged perpetrator and his connections with the intelligence establishment and to the radical Muslim ISIS.

From these informal sources, three salient issues have surfaced:
- indisputable evidence that a squad of multiple shooters were involved rather than just a lone gunman
- the relocation of one of Paddock’s airplanes between Virginia airports after an ATF agent was killed in the cover-up of Eric Holder’s Fast and Furious gun-peddling operation
- the visits of Paddock and companion Marilou Danley to the UAE, Jordan and Israel while President Barack Obama was starting to turn against ISIS in Iraq and Syria.

Paddock as Agency Spy against ISIS

Those morsels of vital information indicate that Paddock served for a long-time as contract agent for CIA-FBI gun-running and as a possible trained assassin.

The Mandalay Bay affair was likely part of a covert program to transfer weapons from the vaults of the ATF (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agency of Homeland Security), fitted with hidden RFID tracking chips, to ISIS militants inside the USA. Suspecting a sting operation, the ISIS team in Las Vegas shot him to death in his room at the Mandalay immediately before proceeding to fire at the crowd of revelers attending the Route 91 Harvest Festival on Sunday night, October 1.

Police radio chatter and initial reports, especially in cases of politically sensitive crimes against public security, are often the most accurate, and therefore invariably followed by disinformation under a politicized cover-up. For an investigative journalist like myself, who led the probe into the Tokyo Subway gassing, consideration of early-on eyewitness reports and initial police comments is a rule of thumb. The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department (LVMPD) scanner (police-band radio) messages to and from the front-line cops is the indelible first draft, and what comes later is censorship.

The earliest time-sequence report out of Vegas was posted at reddit under “Gunshots Downtown Right Now?” by Caram2, who was alerted to the gunfire by his sister, a employee at the MGM Grand who escaped the concert by running to the nearby airport. The timeline is fresher and more revealing than his post-event introduction, which already by then was influenced by Fox News’ knee-jerk response of a lone gunman narrative from the FBI.

The comments below are his transcript from the LVMPD scanner. Here are a few notable excerpts of the salient points:

(The first gunshots were at 10:08)
10:11 Sister saying gunshots have slowed/stopped
10:29 2-4 shooters - some officers pinned down
10:38 Police say no shots fired 10-15 minutes
10:47 Scanner says two scenes, injured personnel
10:49 Reno and Trop(icana)
(note: Reno Avenue East is the location of the Tropicana, Excalibur and New York New York Hotels)
11:00 2 locations confirmed at Mandalay Bay and Ali Baba
(note: Henderson’s Ali Baba is a posh Lebanese restaurant.)
11:05 Scanner says 3 shooters unconfirmed. Hacienda and Trop/Vegas?? Has bodies / shooters. Not sure when last shots were fired. Tropicana offramp is losed.
(note: The Mandalay Bay is built on the site of the demolished Hacienda.
11:06 Scanner says multiple 419s?? Scanner: do not worry about injured, Neutralize Threat.
(note: 419 stands for “Dead Body”)
11:17 Officers outside the alleged shooter room at the Mandalay. . . .
11:18 NYNY shooter is heading to the Excalibur.
(note: NYNY is the New York New York Hotel two blocks north on Las Vegas Boulevard S)
1:34 Metro (police) press conference: 2 suspects dead/1 detained. One POC.
(note - POC: police officer casualty? Or person of color?)

Making Sense of the Chatter

The sister, who was near the stage, escaped the gunfire after a truck tore down a section of fence and she managed to reach safety at the nearby airport. Her mobile calls from the scene and the airport indicated the firing had slowed within the first 3 minutes. Therefore most of 1,000-2,000 bullets were fired in that short space of time, while the revelers were trying to disperse or find cover.

As part of the politicized gun-control debate, opponents of the Second Amendment have falsely claimed that a bump stock device (which uses recoil to re-engage the trigger) can enable a semiautomatic weapon, like the one found with Paddock, to fire 400 rounds per minute. This is a deliberate deceit, since 400 Rpm, take note here, is the “rate of fire” (as in highest firing rate during bursts) and not the number of bullets that can actually be shot within a minute. 400 shots would require 14 reloads and re-aiming, each requiring about 10 seconds, for a total down time of more than 2 minutes.

The FBI photo taken in Paddock’s hotel room showed a stack of curved AK-47 magazines, each holding 30 bullets; there was no bandolier-type machine-gun belt in sight. Therefore, the lone gunman narrative is preposterous, and anyone who put this sort of nonsense forward, especially from law enforcement, is a knowing liar. For that reason alone, the bump stock ban proposed in Congress should be voted down, at least until the proponents admit their deception and agree to stick to facts.

Multiple shooters, 5 or more sites

Aside from the Mandalay Bay, the police-radio intercept disclose two other nearby shooting scenes: the Tropicana and New York New York hotels. The Tropicana hotel-casino is located across Las Vegas Boulevard South (aka The Strip) about a half block from the Mandalay Bay (the southernmost on The Strip). It directly adjoins the site of the Route 91 Harvest Festival, opposite the Mandalay.

The rapid-fire shooting from the Tropicana is, therefore, consistent with eyewitness reports of a “crossfire” by the second shooter, who was likely killed by the police, as reported at the first Metropolitan Police news conference.

A third shooter, firing from New York New York hotel, is reportedly in detention, presumably captured while trying to flee in a car across the boulevard to the Excalibur. The NYNY is across the boulevard from the Tropicana, or the same side of the street as Mandalay Bay (and the Luxor). It is at a catty-corner across from the open-air concert venue.

There were three firing points in a deadly triangle, just like the trio at the Paris Bataclan (only 2 gunmen were killed, and one escaped) and Orlando Pulse (1 killed, 2 escaped). Triangulation is intended to keep the crowd confined rather than making a quick escape. (In a shooting situation, every couple of seconds feels like minute, when perception time slows to a crawl, and therefore within 20 seconds targeted individuals should be able to dash to escape or find cover, that is, in the case of a single gunman.) Even with those three shooters, at least one of them must have used a belt-loading machine gun, probably similar to a 7.62mm NATO standard, to account for the intense firepower within three minutes, along with the basso boom from the muzzle blast.

Guests and staff at another separate cluster of two or three hotels also heard nearby low-caliber small-arms fire, shootings which so far can be interpreted as diversionary actions intended to confuse the police. These secondary incidents were at the Bellagio and Caesar’s Palace, and probably the Aria, at the corner of Flamingo Avenue, two blocks north of the Harvest Festival. Later that night a local civilian resident with a rifle tried to enter Caesar’s after having heard about gunshots fired inside.

Gunfire at the Ali Baba Lebanese restaurant was later denied, although it may have been a misfired weapon kept ready by a back-up team to assist the escape of the hotel gunmen.

Therefore, the hit squad in Las Vegas included a minimum of 5 gunmen, although more likely 6-7 shooters, with a contingent of support personnel for communications, logistics and transport as well as to trip up hotel security. Hotel staff at the Mandalay saw an assailant in a hotel security uniform being chased down a hall by police officers.

The attack on Las Vegas was a small-scale paramilitary operation, probably involving a squad of radical Muslim ISIS supporters to avenge Obama’s betrayal of the Caliphate. The "one POC" code word heard on police radio scanner likely refers to a "person of color", likely from Africa, perhaps Somalia or Sudan, implying the two other suspects were light-skinned, perhaps Arabs or even white American recruits.

A most difficult problem in this incident is the code of silence among the hundreds of Muslim hotel workers and chauffeurs along The Strip, whose ultimate loyalties are with shariah law and not the U.S. Constitution. Vegas was a classic case study of the absolute failure and delusions about Muslim integration under the democratic traditions of American society. That is an undeniable fact that contributed enormously to the murder and mayhem, politically incorrect though it may sound.

On the side of caution, one cannot discount the possibility of an Israeli Mossad deep-cover false-flag operation aimed at ensuring more military aid from the U.S. against Iran and other foes. As for the professional sad clowns called “crisis actors”, the online bloggers who spread this sort of chum for fools are cogs in the repressive machinery of state working for the Feds or the Mossad.

For Paddock, to balk was a death sentence

The only remotely honest law-enforcement official with public presence, Sheriff Joseph Lombardo, stated that suspect Paddock intended to survive the massacre. His assessment was based on the presence of a precursor chemical for explosives and more guns inside his car, which was left in the parking level of the Metropolitan. In other words, Paddock did not commit suicide, and there was no reason for him to wait for SWAT to arrive.

Since the firing had ceased by around 10:20 p.m., and the SWAT team did not storm his room until after 11:00, Paddock had 40 minutes to make his escape in the crowd of panicked guests down the elevators to the parking level. Why did he not exfiltrate?

The only possible answer is: Because he was already dead, killed before the shooting spree started. Who would have murdered Paddock just prior to the gunfire on the crowd below? One of the gunmen, of course.

Why? Because the would-be “buyers” of his stash of guns (none of them were legally purchased from registered firearms dealers, as implied by media fakery) had long suspected that his offer of weapons for sale was bait in an FBI-CIA trap. The ISIS knew very well that his disingenuous conversion to Islam was a ploy hatched by his bosses at the CIA and DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency).

So the jihadists offered him one last test of faith before his “martyrdom”. At every terror site, at least one dead martyr must be left behind for the sake of the lone gunman myth, which benefits both the political class to appease public anger and also the terrorists trying to conserve manpower for their next strike. Paddock was more useful as a fall guy than as a fighter.

To flush out informers, crime groups will often order a new member to murder an undercover police informant or a friend in a rival gang, as depicted in the Johnny Depp movie “Donnie Brasco”. In real life and in the movie, Joe Pistone aka Brasco was shrewd enough not to flinch and shot his pal Tony Mirra, to the satisfaction of the Bonnano mob, and no further questions were asked of the rookie who had earned their trust as an unquestioning obedient henchman.

During the meeting to transfer the traceable guns to the ISIS men in his 32nd floor room, his client(s) would order him to start shooting at the concert-goers below as a test of faith. Caught totally off-guard by this demand to kill fellow Americans, Paddock would have balked. Instead of giving a straight answer, he probably requested a moment of prayer in the bathroom to think it over, allowing him to message his FBI support team.

His prayer was answered with a gunshot to the back of the head. That bloody head is edited out the FBI photo of his body, if indeed that was his actual corpse. (Since he was laid out with a Kevlar vest, why wouldn’t he also have worn a helmet to deflect bullets?) That’s when the ISIS team leader would text-message his gunman to commence the slaughter. They had no need for Paddock’s dodgy cache of weapons; they brought their own heavier machine-guns to the fatwa fiesta.

Now, boys and girls, if you want to be a secret agent for the Feds or the Agency, whenever the bad guys tell you to mow down your teammates, just do as they say and make sure there are no wounded survivors who might recognize you as one of their own and moan to you. “Jeez, good to see you again, hey, how come you’re not wearing a badge?” Kill everyone, even your loved ones, or you too will soon join the dead. That’s what it takes to be a first-class Fed, utter ruthlessness arising from the will to survive with no space for regrets or chance of redemption. It’s a lonely life that exits in hell.

Every Breath You Take

The sting operation known as Fast and Furious, initiated in 2009 by Obama’s Attorney General Eric Holder turned into a self-inflicted disaster for law enforcement and national security. Supposedly traceable guns, embedded with RFID chips, were sold to the Mexican drug mafia. The concept was to track the homing devices inside the guns along the supply chain of felons up the ladder to the big bosses in Cuidad Juarez, Sinaloa state, the capital and other major smuggling hubs and money-laundering centers.

Since mobile-phone service and hotspots can be spotty in those backwaters, the FBI lost track of those firearms. It’s likely that the Mexican smugglers knew Fast and Furious was too good to be true, and took apart a gun to locate the tracking device. An estimated 10,000 civilian fatalities are attributed to those rapid-fire weapons, including American law-enforcement officials along the border, a blowback which led to an abrupt end of gun-walking. (The term means letting the criminals walk into a gun shop for an illegal purchase and walk out with firearms, in that case across the borderline.)

The killings of Americans with Holder’s guns resulted in an internal-affairs probe into the source of those firearms,which was the arsenals of the Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms bureau (ATF, under the Department of Homeland Security). The Obama White House responded with a self-protective cover-up, and ATF bosses were under heat to perjure themselves before Congress. So this is when Stephen Paddock’s airplane and his inexplicable wealth enter the dark picture show.

Homicide or Suicide?

That’s how one headline described the 2013 deaths of 20-year veteran ATF agent Paul Parisi and his wife Janine inside their home in Chantilly, Virginia. As an arson and explosives expert, Parisi was stationed at the local ATF field office, near the top-level forensic laboratory at Quantico, the FBI Academy, which also serves the scientific requests of Pentagon’s investigative unit called the Defense Security Service (DSS).

One of the questions related to Fast and Furious was the possible role of a suspected mafia mole inside U.S. law enforcement, so DNA testing and chemical analysis were meticulously done on recovered Fast and Furious guns, putting Paul Parisi on the wrong side in the eyes of certain higher-up circles who were not eager to see his forensic findings reach Congress.

A Big Bopper’s Chantilly Lace

In that same area of Virginia, starting in 2006, one Stephen C. Paddock (the Las Vegas suspect’s middle name is Craig), who was a resident of Henderson, Texas, and Mesquite, Nevada, based his Cirrus SR20, tail number N5343M, at Chantilly airfield. But then, just months after the Parisi deaths, he relocated the home field of that single-engine propeller plane 22 miles away to an airstrip at Roanoke.

Parked at Roanoke for the next three years, the same-model Cirrus with identical tail number N5343M was registered as belonging to Volant LLC, which conducts top-secret assignments in intelligence and defense operations, something like the Mission Impossible team. Three weeks prior to the Vegas massacre, however, the Cirrus made its first recent flight, presumably by Paddock or another Agency pilot to deliver his consignment of guns to Las Vegas.

Thanks to a vigilant citizen online by name of Mike, that defense contractor is now in the spotlight. The limited liability company describes its team of experts as follows: “A Volant Associate proudly serves the needs of the nation’s Intelligence and Defense Community. Each associate matches a specific and rigorous profile and is the absolute best of his or her breed: a dedicated, driven, educated, broadly experienced leader who holds, at a minimum, an active Top Secret SCI clearance”

To translate the alphabet soup: Top Secret (TS); SCI means Sensitive Compartmented Information, or high-level access to classified information on file. This lacework of acronyms can deadlier for one’s health than arsenic.

A notable feature of the Cirrus SR20 model is its rocket-opened parachute, which prevents a damaged aircraft from crashing into buildings while carry dangerous cargo, for example, explosives or ammunition. With seating for 4 passengers (which can be used for cargo space) and a range of 780 nautical miles, the Cirrus is an ideal plane for arms traffickers, involved in Fast and Furious and/or its successor program transporting spooked guns to Islamic radicals.

Online access to various employment agencies connected with Volant LLC have been blocked since recent revelations of Paddock’s long-time relationship to that defense contractor.

Dad was FBI’s Most Wanted

How could the eldest son of a bank robber, diagnosed as a psychopath, on the FBI Most Wanted List, become a government-trusted military contractor and a multimillionaire (with no visible means of support)?

A migrant from Sheboygan, Wisconsin, to the Sunbelt, his father Benjamin Hoskins Paddock Jr. was arrested several times in the 1950s for automobile larceny, con games and passing bad checks, resulting in debts from which he tried to bounce back with two armed robberies at braches of the Valley Bank in Tucson, Arizona, in 1959 and '60. While serving a prison sentence, Big Ben (6’2” tall) staged a prison break in 1969 and was on the lam for 7 years, operating under a false identity as a bingo parlor operator in Oregon. Although none of his sons admit to being in contact with him, the family somehow survived on the ill-gotten lucre despite the FBI watch on their Tucson home.

At the time of the prison escape and his posting on the Most Wanted list, Stephen Paddock was 15 years old, the eldest of four sons raised by their single mother. Contrary to the present-day media’s attempt to cast a “like father, like son” psychoanalysis on Stephen, in fact he managed to earned a business degree from Cal State Northridge, which qualified him to work as accountant and also gave him training in algorithms, later used to win big at video poker in casinos. Methodical, calm and low-key, his biography so far has showed no signs of his being a psychotic. His only deviance was the hiring of $6,000 per session hookers for bondage fake-rape sex, a dominance-subordination pastime that millions of otherwise straight-laced men and women also seem to enjoy, for whatever mournful reasons.

What is incongruous for the son of a fugitive bank robber, however, is that his entire working career, which lasted a mere 12 years, was entirely connected with the federal government, indicating the “protection” of the FBI over a potentially wayward youth. His first job was as a letter carrier, a mailman for the U.S. Postal Service, a routine that would prove useful later for his work as an intelligence contractor, if the mission required getting people to open their front doors and passing through neighborhoods unnoticed.

After a short stint as an IRS auditor, he worked from 1985-89 as an “in-house auditor” for an as-yet unidentified aircraft maintenance company, which was later merged into Lockheed. Just a mere one year into that better-paying job, Paddock plonked down $400,000 cash to purchase outright a large house in Northridge, California.

High Flier, High Times

What’s sticks in my craw is those dates of employment at the mystery company simultaneous with Air Cocaine flights into Mena Airfield, a major aircraft maintenance center in Arkansas while Bill Clinton was governor. It was one of few jobs in that era where an ordinary employee (pilot or ground crew and manager) could earn a tax-free million dollars a year. Perhaps not by accident, Stephen Paddock and the husband of Marilou Danley own homes in Fayetteville-Springdale in the northwest corner of Arkansas, where east-west US Highway 40 meets north-south state road 71 to Mena.

Whether or not his high times at Mena included helping Bill and the Hill roll up a carpet for Vince Foster, Paddock’s subsequent low-profile career was as a small-plane pilot, shuttling contraband or people on contract with intelligence agencies or the Pentagon. News reports indicate he often flew a small plane from Nevada to Alaska during the annual hunting season, a flight distance farther than Honduras to Arkansas. For the Alaskan hunt, he’s hauling a rifle of sufficient caliber to down a moose and maybe a few dollars more of extra hardware and ammo to offload in Idaho or Seattle.

OK, so the question begs an answer: Was Stephen Paddock a CIA assassin, as the ones in Robert Ludlum's Jason Bourne series? We have yet to locate the shallow unmarked graves, even if planes can also be used to dump bodies into lakes and oceans. Pity poor Joe Pesce in "Casino", who had to use a shovel to dig holes in the desert.

ISIS Loyalty Pledge

The ISIS website boasts that Paddock was converted to Islam in April 2017, pledging allegiance to their jihad. He probably crossed the threshold on one of his cruise ship tours from Greece to the Middle East, which included stopovers in Dubai and Jordan, accompanied by his female companion Danley, who claims to have a niece in the UAE. Jordan is landlocked and the best method of entering that country is through the Israeli port of Aqaba.

Since it is by now certain that Paddock was a contract agent for U.S. intelligence, the Mideast cruise indicates:

- first, that he entered the region by cruise ship to avoid detection at region airports where he was probably a known commodity ever since the invasion of military contractors during and after the Iraq wars; and
- second, a CIA or DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency) staffer, or a Mossad agent, would have escorted him for a quick briefing from the Gulf of Aqaba to the Jordanian border for his upcoming meetings with ISIS.

Both Dubai and Jordan are major hubs for the Muslim Brotherhood, which was involved in the Hillary-Obama fiasco known as the Arab Spring and financed by the jihadist Emirate of Qatar. Lest Americans have forgotten by now, the Brotherhood launched the first attempted attack on the World Trade Center in 1993 and its members were aboard the 911 jetliners. Presumably, many and perhaps most of the captains of ISIS came out of the Brotherhood, the “grandfather of modern jihad”.

Here again in the Paddock caper, the CIA-DIA revealed a basic lack of common sense, even after losing captured “aid workers” to ISIS decapitators. After all, who in their right mind would join ISIS when its barracks and arsenals were being pounded daily by Russian airstrikes? For Stephen Paddock, however, volunteering for this fool’s errand was perhaps his way of making up for the crimes of his father against American society. He was trying to redeem the family name, as hopeless and suicidal as that may have seemed. There’s nothing like Christian guilt to bring on Shariah law.

Gift from Heaven

The masterminds of ISIS must have interpreted Paddock’s oath of fealty as a gift from Above, a doorway into the American heartland, even though it was through the tiger’s den, a trap laid by the CIA. By then, ISIS had a grudge match with President Barack Obama after he reneged on the trans-Syrian pipeline from Qatar to the Mediterranean and onto Cyprus and Ukraine, meant to compete with the hated Russians who have a near-monopoly on European gas supply.

Despite the risks of entrapment, the ISIS chieftains had every reason to feel confident about the planned strikes on Orlando, Vegas and San Francisco, cities that represent to the Islamic community the sins of bestiality, gambling and homosexuality. (Animals that talk, as in the Disney menagerie are considered diabolical.) The Muslims were gaining the upper hand against their Satanic foe. The Awan brothers team had control of the computers in the House of Representatives, thanks to Debbie Wasserman Schultz; Tim Kaine along with the California Democrats were staunch in their support for open immigration and sanctuary cities, havens for ISIS sleeper cells; Obama’s Pizzagate team set up a transport network for DACA children, ensuring a bright future for Islam in the New World; and Khizer Khan was gaining influence in the DNC. The counterattack was proceeding way faster than Saladin’s slow meandering drive against the Crusaders.

While Stephen Paddock’s intelligence bosses were eager to put marked guns in the hands of jihadist supporters in America, ISIS was many steps ahead of the intel bureaucrats James Comey, John Brennan and Loretta Lynch. If the killings at the Orlando Pulse were an initial taste of glory, the assault on Las Vegas would surely be a bumper harvest, a fiesta for the fatwa.

While Paddock and his Agency superiors set the trap as neatly as he would fill an accounting ledger, the ISIS gunmen quietly took their stations at the Bellagio, Caesar’s Palace, the Aria, New York New York, Tropicana and the Mandalay Bay, while an armed back-up team delicately nibbled on baklava with Turkish coffee, awaiting orders.

For Americans, a ghastly horrifying Halloween came early; but for ISIS the Autumn Moon glowed like honey dripping the sweet taste of revenge. In the Hijri calendar, the night of Oct. 1-2, 2017, marked the Islamic New Year, a blood sacrifice followed by a new dawn promising victory.

Where to Go from Here

What’s the prognosis? More of the same, because American society, including the self-serving political class, is much too narcissistic and divided to put up effective resistance to sustained attacks from fanatics who have no fear of dying and every reason to kill, in a era when citizens cannot even agree to stand up for the national anthem or celebrate Columbus Day, or even dare think of rallying around the commander in chief, all the while exulting in a frenzy of political correctness that prioritizes one’s private issues like sexual orientation over tough personal sacrifices for the common good.

The War on Terror and the Arab Spring, along with the absurd extremism of political correctness, as many of their critics like myself have repeatedly warned, have had devastating consequences for the United States and its democratic norms and cultural traditions. Until there is a minimal degree of unity as a nation, rising with a seachange among hearts and minds, the situation will deteriorate.

In contrast to the attack on Pearl Harbor, which united the country often to excessive zeal, the Las Vegas Massacre was a sharp blow that fragmented the USA into a million broken pieces that may possibly never be glued back together again. Regardless of the folly and disunity of all the sunshine soldiers and anti-social nationhood haters, those who struggle to revive America as a Good Nation, while accepting that greatness has probably been lost forever, will trudge though the approaching Valley Forge of our time toward the battles ahead.

[Noelle]

The Rense article states: During the meeting to transfer the traceable guns to the ISIS men in his 32nd floor room, his client(s) would order him to start shooting at the concert-goers below as a test of faith. Caught totally off-guard by this demand to kill fellow Americans, Paddock would have balked. Instead of giving a straight answer, he probably requested a moment of prayer in the bathroom to think it over, allowing him to message his FBI support team.

If Paddock was smart -- and I'm sure he was with his education and work experience -- why would he have ever agreed to a meeting (transfer of arms) with ISIS at a Las Vegas casino-resort, where he had to have known that hundreds/thousands of fellow Americans and international visitors would be in harm's way if something went wrong?

[Flash]

The Rense article states: During the meeting to transfer the traceable guns to the ISIS men in his 32nd floor room, his client(s) would order him to start shooting at the concert-goers below as a test of faith. Caught totally off-guard by this demand to kill fellow Americans, Paddock would have balked. Instead of giving a straight answer, he probably requested a moment of prayer in the bathroom to think it over, allowing him to message his FBI support team.

If Paddock was smart -- and I'm sure he was with his education and work experience -- why would he have ever agreed to a meeting (transfer of arms) with ISIS at a Las Vegas casino-resort, where he had to have known that hundreds/thousands of fellow Americans and international visitors would be in harm's way if something went wrong?

Like any tough cookies blocking their heart or having none, they cannot imagine they will lose or be taken by surprise in a way they cannot get off of. It just does not cross their mind. They have no fear, like the ISIS members have no fear.

I think that this part of the article is wrong however. I think that he was never asked to shoot at the crowd, he was purely and simply killed without question.

[Iloveyou]

One question regarding the more overall picture, please (before I'm going off in various dead-ends):

Just in case: if the consensus were that this was a (partly) false flag op, then the possibility of a satanic ritual blood sacrifice/harvest op would have to be ruled out. Is that right?

I understand that within such an event various (even contradicting) purposes are aimed for and it's also a stage for power struggles of opposing factions. But false flag/satanic sacrifice just doesn't go together. And if it were a false flag op, then why all this symbolism!

(So a third possibility would be neither false flag nor sacrifice, of course)

What is (has been) the relation between those two in general or in recent history?

Good morning, btw (in Europe)

[KiwiElf]

I wouldn't rule out ANYthing just yet... ;)

[ThePythonicCow]

We've all seen this photo below, because it was cropped from some outlets to avoid showing the dudes casually looking at their cell phones.
Here's a similar picture, taken at about the same time I presume, that night, after the shooting.

http://thepythoniccow.us/cropped_markedup_supremelyweird.jpg

I have marked where the two blown out windows are supposed to be, on the 32nd floor. The two horizontal lines mark the 32nd floor, and the two pairs of vertical lines each surround, above and below, the two windows that were supposedly blown out by the shooter.

Notice that the two windows don't seem to be blown out, though granted, it's hard to tell :).

Oops.

Apparently they (whoever "they" are) managed to get the windows blown out before sunrise.

[ThePythonicCow]

This report, from https://www.intellihub.com/las-vegas-shooting-victim-survivor-says-3-5-shooters-several-in-venue-fbi-refusing-to-investigate/, fits with what I'm guessing happened:

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Las Vegas shooting victim, survivor, says 3-5 shooters, several in venue, FBI refusing to investigate
By Shepard Ambellas -
October 8, 2017

“They just started getting closer and closer, louder and louder. […] I do believe that there were people [shooters] inside the venue.”

(INTELLIHUB) — One of last Sunday’s shooting victims Rocky Palermo who was shot in his pelvis told “The Blast” that after he had been shot he could tell that bullets were sweeping the venue from both elevated positions and from different trajectories horizontally and said that several other shooters were firing from inside the venue.

Palermo believes that 3-5 shooters carried out the massacre at the Route 91 Harvest Music Festival on Oct. 1 killing 57 people.

“I definitely believe that there was 100% more than one shooter,” Palermo told The Blast. “Every other person that I talked to that, unfortunately, got hit as well have all said the same things.”

The brave man explained that he ran about 200 yards after being shot where he then hid behind a car. He said that he could hear the bullets whizzing by, horizontally, and could tell that a number of the shots were being fired from ground level which supports other eyewitness claims.

“We heard the gunfires approaching where we were,” he said. “They just started getting closer and closer, louder and louder. […] I do believe that there were people [shooters] inside the venue.”

Palermo also noticed that all of the gates to the concert facing Las Vegas Blvd. were always left open for the previous night’s show but were chained closed about ten minutes before the shooting started.

“At 10:00 they closed every exit on Las Vegas Blvd., every single one.,” he said. “They gated them all closed with chainlink fences […] the same entrances that we came in and left on Friday and Saturday night were definitely closed.”

Palermo said that cops were directing people to go the wrong way and said that there were a lot of things that occurred that night that ‘didn’t sit right’ with him.

“I believe that there were at least 3 to 5 shooters. One hundred percent there was not just one shooter firing from the 32nd-floor.”

Palermo said that he has tried to call the FBI on several occasions to offer them additional info but said that the FBI has not responded to his requests.

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[Cidersomerset]

A crack down on alternate media is in full swing.....


ACTIVIST POST....

Las Vegas Shooting: A Cryptic Note, Impossible Planted Rifle And Swipe Of A Key Card That Doesn’t Add Up

Aaron Kesel False Flag Las Vegas Shooting.
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October 8, 2017

https://www.activistpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/las-vegas-questions-1024x533.jpg

By Aaron Kesel

'There are holes galore over the official narrative of the Las Vegas shooting; even
police are starting to admit that a single gunman could not have been responsible
for the plot. It’s way too sophisticated, far too many people died and were injured,
while the motive hasn’t been determined thus far. Too much doesn’t add up. It
seems like every day we are given more questions than answers as evidence begins
to drip out. Now a cryptic note with numbers has been disclosed by authorities.

It has almost been a week since one of the worst mass shootings in U.S. history
but investigators, journalists, and armchair investigators are all left confused by
what transpired in Las Vegas. There are so many theories, in fact, that YouTube
has now tweaked its algorithm to protect you from questioning the official
narrative, while regurgitating the mainstream media as an “authoritative source,”
The Wall Street Journal reported.

“In response to criticism on social media of some search results this week, a person
familiar with YouTube said the company is accelerating the rollout of planned
changes to its search engine. On Wednesday night, the video service began
promoting more authoritative sources in search results, especially pertaining to
major news events, the person said. YouTube doesn’t disclose how it determines
which sources are authoritative,” YouTube wrote in a statement.

The unthinkable, a shooting of a peaceful gathering for music interrupted by pelted
gunfire which took the lives of 60 and injured hundreds of others. Perpetrated by
the perfect criminal, a rich 64-year-old former accountant and real estate investor
addicted to gambling who could afford 23 guns and thousands of rounds of
ammunition for all of those firearms.'

The shooting reportedly lasted five to fifteen minutes, though estimates vary
according to the Washington Post.While that in itself raises questions such as if
there are multiple guns why would authorities rule out a second, third or even
possible fourth shooter before any formal investigation? Especially since earlier
police audio indicated that there might be more than one shooter
Las Vegas Active Shooter on 4th floor! POLICE SCANNER LIVE
isSuISJQL4U

The story certainly doesn’t end there. Since the October 1st shooting new facts
have emerged as the “official narrative” of the shooting takes shape that just
leaves you scratching your head thinking wtf?

The gunman set up cameras throughout the hall, under the serving cart and in
front of the door to watch for police, yet now MSM news outlets are reporting that
he may have been planning to escape. If true, his car had homemade explosives in
it; so was he planning on martyrdom?

Yesterday, the narrative took an even more blurry weird turn as investigators
finally admitted that a note was found on the scene but the note was alleged to be
just numbers, no letters, just cryptic code according to authorities.Las Vegas
Metropolitan Police Department Undersheriff Kevin McMahill confirmed the
revelation in Friday’s press conference:McMahill said Friday afternoon that police
have yet to determine “what those numbers are or mean.”

“In the past, terror attacks or mass murder motive was made very clear by a note
that was left, by a social media post, by a telephone call that was made, by
investigators mining computer data,” Undersheriff McMahill said.

“Today, in our investigation, we don’t have any of that uncovered. I wish we did.
We will and are continuing to investigate with great tenacity and hope to arrive at
an answer,” he added.While a Las Vegas K9 police officer Dave Newton has alleged
it was calculations about where the shooter needed to aim.

“I could see on it he had written the distance, the elevation he was on, the drop of
what his bullet was gonna be for for the crowd,” Newton said. “So he had had that
written down and figured out so he would know where to shoot to hit his targets
from there.”

This explains the police secrecy behind this note, at first denying that any “suicide
note” even existed, but was subsequently revealed in leaked photos from the crime
scene which forced police to acknowledge it. Also revealed in the leaked pictures
were several anomalies of the crime scene. One example is the way the shooter
died with a firearm perched over the killer’s leg and what looked like empty shells
above his head in a pool of blood that had not a squirt somehow on the top of any
of the bullets. In short, the scene was impossible, it was too perfect. Both the shell
casing and gun looked planted. Maybe that is why the photos were leaked along
with the existence of the note left on the table?
https://www.activistpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/WTFgun-300x150.png
If someone shot themselves in the head and the bullet casing was there from firing
hundreds of shots ejected from the gun, that scene would be impossible as there
would be blood all over the shells, not just floating in a murky pool. In order for this
scenario to happen the killer would have had to have been sitting down on the
ground with a gun across his leg and when he blew his brains out there would be
blood all behind him covering the empty shell casings in blood. Instead, what we
see is a scene where the killer is bleeding out his skull drooling out blood while all
of the visible bullets themselves remain virtually clean from any brain tissue residue.

It’s more likely that the crime scene was tampered with and someone left the rifle
on his leg to prove it. Why? Because as the early reports stated by police,
they “neutralized the killer.”

After the situation settled down, the narrative was changed to death by suicide. In
this writer’s opinion, by covering up simple facts like cause of death the police are
only fueling the theory that the attack was a false flag. While they further refused
until now to tell the public about the existence of the note and stated there was no
motive that only furthers that divide.

Read more: Las Vegas Shooting: A Cryptic Note, Impossible Planted Rifle And
Swipe Of A Key Card That Doesn’t Add Up
https://www.activistpost.com/2017/10/las-vegas-shooting-cryptic-note-planted-rifle-key-card-doesnt-add-up.html


This graphic picture is also on the article it may be to graphic ? if so delete MODS ..
But it does show clearly the bullet casings...

[Link to picture: https://i2.wp.com/www.hollywoodlanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Vegas-Shooter-Dead-Picture.jpg?w=600&ssl=1 ]

https://www.activistpost.com/2017/10/las-vegas-shooting-cryptic-note-planted-rifle-key-card-doesnt-add-up.html

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

The Mandalay Bay affair was likely part of a covert program to transfer weapons from the vaults of the ATF (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agency of Homeland Security), fitted with hidden RFID tracking chips, to ISIS militants inside the USA. Suspecting a sting operation, the ISIS team in Las Vegas shot him to death in his room at the Mandalay immediately before proceeding to fire at the crowd of revelers attending the Route 91 Harvest Festival on Sunday night, October 1.

It's a good article with plenty of plausible explanations, and forgive me for being dim-witted if that's the case, but something about this theory isn't making sense to me.

If ISIS thought this was an arms deal gone south, why would they open up on the crowd below, and not do all they could to get out of the hotel and flee?

If this really was ISIS why are authorities blaming one single man, (FBI or not), as a lone wolf nut?

ISIS is the bogeyman they want us to believe in. So if it was ISIS, why didn't the authorities present the evidence for ISIS (spinning it however they want) and blame them? Paddock's part in shady arms deals, as an alleged FBI operative, could easily be hidden. Say he was caught in the crossfire, an innocent patron of the hotel, and no one would be the wiser. Why are they making him the patsy when they already have a perfectly legitimate fallguy in ISIS, the bogeyman?

But by pinning it on a lone crazy, they have invited a conspiracy theory, all this scrutiny and all this controversy - when none of it was necessary.

If it serves the agenda of the deep state etc to 'stage' terrorist attacks, well here one is! In this scenario, ISIS has carried out a mass slaying on US soil. If that was the truth, why is it being covered up and blamed on a lone nut? :confused:

[Noelle]

The Mandalay Bay affair was likely part of a covert program to transfer weapons from the vaults of the ATF (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agency of Homeland Security), fitted with hidden RFID tracking chips, to ISIS militants inside the USA. Suspecting a sting operation, the ISIS team in Las Vegas shot him to death in his room at the Mandalay immediately before proceeding to fire at the crowd of revelers attending the Route 91 Harvest Festival on Sunday night, October 1.

It's a good article with plenty of plausible explanations, and forgive me for being dim-witted if that's the case, but something about this theory isn't making sense to me.

If ISIS thought this was an arms deal gone south, why would they open up on the crowd below, and not do all they could to get out of the hotel and flee?

If this really was ISIS why are authorities blaming one single man, (FBI or not), as a lone wolf nut?

ISIS is the bogeyman they want us to believe in. So if it was ISIS, why didn't the authorities present the evidence for ISIS (spinning it however they want) and blame them? Paddock's part in shady arms deals, as an alleged FBI operative, could easily be hidden. Say he was caught in the crossfire, an innocent patron of the hotel, and no one would be the wiser. Why are they making him the patsy when they already have a perfectly legitimate fallguy in ISIS, the bogeyman?

But by pinning it on a lone crazy, they have invited a conspiracy theory, all this scrutiny and all this controversy - when none of it was necessary.

If it serves the agenda of the deep state etc to 'stage' terrorist attacks, well here one is! In this scenario, ISIS has carried out a mass slaying on US soil. If that was the truth, why is it being covered up and blamed on a lone nut? :confused:

I agree with you. The Rense version does not smell right to me. At first read, it did. Then I read it two more times, and what kept coming up as a red flag was Las Vegas, the heart of the city, as a place to deal with ISIS. Whoever arranged it, whether it was the FBI or CIA, could have a picked some off-the-beaten path motel in the city's outskirts or further out, like in a deserty Nevada town with far fewer people to endanger. And if Paddock had an ounce of love for his fellow citizens, he could have said, "Nope, I'm not doing it. It will put too many lives at risk."

The article also suggests he may have agreed to the "fool's errand" to make amends for the deeds of his father. How often do people do that, make up for the crimes of their fathers and mothers?

[Cognitive Dissident]

I don't agree with the premise of this article. It assumes that ISIS is an independent organisation, whereas in fact it is funded by Saudi-Qatar-etc, probably as a conduit to the CIA. ISIS has no independent existence. So to say something like "By then, ISIS had a grudge match with President Barack Obama after he reneged on the trans-Syrian pipeline from Qatar to the Mediterranean and onto Cyprus and Ukraine, meant to compete with the hated Russians who have a near-monopoly on European gas supply" just doesn't make any sense - ISIS had no interest in that pipeline, although of course Qatar did, and behind them the US.

Also, while the article contains some interesting facts (assuming they are correct), it also has some stupid errors, like "Jordan is landlocked and the best method of entering that country is through the Israeli port of Aqaba" - actually Aqaba is a port in Jordan, which is not landlocked. The Israeli port next to Aqaba is called Eilat. This could only have been written by somebody who has very little knowledge of the Middle East (and also can't use Google) - not exactly giving much confidence in the rest of the article.

[Tintin]

The Mandalay Bay affair was likely part of a covert program to transfer weapons from the vaults of the ATF (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agency of Homeland Security), fitted with hidden RFID tracking chips, to ISIS militants inside the USA. Suspecting a sting operation, the ISIS team in Las Vegas shot him to death in his room at the Mandalay immediately before proceeding to fire at the crowd of revelers attending the Route 91 Harvest Festival on Sunday night, October 1.

It's a good article with plenty of plausible explanations, and forgive me for being dim-witted if that's the case, but something about this theory isn't making sense to me.

If ISIS thought this was an arms deal gone south, why would they open up on the crowd below, and not do all they could to get out of the hotel and flee?

If this really was ISIS why are authorities blaming one single man, (FBI or not), as a lone wolf nut?

ISIS is the bogeyman they want us to believe in. So if it was ISIS, why didn't the authorities present the evidence for ISIS (spinning it however they want) and blame them? Paddock's part in shady arms deals, as an alleged FBI operative, could easily be hidden. Say he was caught in the crossfire, an innocent patron of the hotel, and no one would be the wiser. Why are they making him the patsy when they already have a perfectly legitimate fallguy in ISIS, the bogeyman?

But by pinning it on a lone crazy, they have invited a conspiracy theory, all this scrutiny and all this controversy - when none of it was necessary.

If it serves the agenda of the deep state etc to 'stage' terrorist attacks, well here one is! In this scenario, ISIS has carried out a mass slaying on US soil. If that was the truth, why is it being covered up and blamed on a lone nut? :confused:

Yes, I feel the same way about this ISIS decoy being permeated. No way, and no matter how eruditely an argument could be put for it, the shooting smacks of a military style operation. The ISIS references are deliberate ploys to distract from the source of perpetration. If we have learned anything from 9/11 investigations, and this is beginning to resemble that in terms of its importance, the trail simply has to go to rogue compartments of maybe more than one agency with ties, possibly, to the "usual" suspects.

I'm dismissing ISIS at all here unless something utterly concrete persuades me to alter my view. That narrative coupled with the official baloney, and it is that, baloney, feels like it has been taken out of a movie script, hook line and sinker.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

The article also suggests he may have agreed to the "fool's errand" to make amends for the deeds of his father. How often do people do that, make up for the crimes of their fathers and mothers?

Yes agreed. I don't see whatever his father may have done all those years ago as having any bearing on his decision making process. For me, Paddock bears all the hallmarks of a patsy, for whatever strange reason. Not necessarily even a completely innocent patsy - just a convenient one, to be instantly silenced.

It would not be the first time a FBI-linked operative was set up in this way to take the fall as a lone wolf nutter in an state-orchestrated event (in my opinion). A certain Mr. Oswald would pay testament to that.

-
By the way Cider, could you remove that quite horrible picture? It would be better displayed as a link than an [img], with a full warning of its graphic nature. Cheers

[Satori]

I've seen this before and looked at it again 3 more times just now. I see nothing along the lines of what you are suggesting.

8 seconds in a person comes into frame from the lower left corner.

Thank you. I do see that. It appears that this person who crouched down then has flashes of light appear very near him and coinciding with the sound of what seems to be gunfire. Then, at about 19 seconds or so, a person appears right in front of the camera holding what seems to be a weapon. This person is in a tan shirt, with yellow stripes (like reflector material), and appears to be the same person who crouched down just before what seems like weapons fire started.

This person is a male and looks like he is in a law enforcement uniform. He's holding what appears to me to be a hand gun. It could be a small uzi-type automatic weapon. He looks guilty as hell of something.

This video may prove to be the Zapruder film of this event. It provides some evidence of the involvement of at least one other person on the ground in the area of the concert and it briefly shows no flashes coming from Mandalay Bay at the 32nd floor or any floor during what sounds like machine gun fire. Whether the guy in the tan shirt was firing live ammo or blanks, or doing something else is something that inquiring minds want to know.

[Cidersomerset]

Some other articles from D.Icke headline page posted by Andy Cheetham...
https://www.veteransnewsnow.com/wp-content/themes/_stylebook/images/authors-1140x120/roberts.jpg

Las Vegas Shooting – Paul Craig Roberts
By Paul Craig Roberts on October 5, 2017

   
You will have to make up your own minds about Las Vegas. Why no videos of Stephen Paddock
carrying in the many cases of 23 firearms and ammunition?


https://www.veteransnewsnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/las-vegas-hotel-shooting.jpg
Drapes billow out of broken windows at the Mandalay Bay resort and casino Monday, Oct. 2, 2017,
on the Las Vegas Strip following a deadly shooting at a music festival in Las Vegas. A gunman was
found dead inside a hotel room. (AP Photo/John Locher)

by Paul Craig Roberts

Dear Readers, I appreciate the confidence that you show in me with your emails asking my opinion
about the Las Vegas shooting. Many of you suspect that it is another false flag affair, and you ask
me about its purpose.

I don’t know if it was a false flag attack, and if so, by who or for what purpose. I don’t expect to ever
know. A story is set in place by officials and media. The only way to ever know is to personally investigate.
You would have to go to Las Vegas, examine the scene, ask questions of the hotel, investigate the answers
if you get any, find and interview concert attendees who were shot, attend funerals and see bodies of those
killed, speak to their families, learn about the weapon allegedly used, experience trying to shoot at targets
far below and far away, compare the number of casualties with the recorded time of firing, and so forth. In
other words, we would have to do the job that in former times would have been done by the press, but no more.

It is almost like the story is being kept from us. For example, from media reports that the event was just
across the street from the hotel, I did not know that “across the street” was a distance of 390 yards (1,170 feet).


read more....https://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2017/10/05/1015737-las-vegas-shooting-paul-craig-roberts/
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ANOTHER DAY IN THE EMPIRE...

Las Vegas Massacre: An Ongoing Police State Op

October 6, 2017

http://anotherdayintheempire.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Las_Vegas_Shooting_62151-jpg-a4630.jpg
read more
http://anotherdayintheempire.com/las-vegas-massacre-ongoing-police-state-op/


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WAKING TIMES...

The Choose-Your-Own-Reality Theory of Terror, Mass Shootings and Spiritual Warfare

October 6, 2017
Dylan Charles editor...

Waking Times
By now, every possible angle of the Las Vegas shooting has been expounded upon
by anyone with a website or a YouTube channel. Without a doubt, something
doesn’t add up, but, we’ve gone through this before, many times now, and it never
adds up.

read more...
http://www.wakingtimes.com/2017/10/06/choose-reality-theory-terror-mass-shootings-spiritual-warfare/

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Posted By A.Cheetham

RT News....
FBI must work undercover with ISIS, even during attacks, to climb group's ranks - criminal attorney


https://www.rt.com/news/405806-fbi-texas-shooting-isis/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

https://www.davidicke.com/article/430961/fbi-must-work-undercover-isis-even-attacks-climb-groups-ranks-criminal-attorney

[Humanbean]

I think this enhanced video analysis pretty much excludes the idea that this guy was shooting into the crowd. They had a torch and handguns as you'd expect for police in that situation but were not firing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SEoIVibqKQ

[turiya]

A couple of articles from D.Icke headline page posted by Andy Cheetham...
https://www.veteransnewsnow.com/wp-content/themes/_stylebook/images/authors-1140x120/roberts.jpg

Las Vegas Shooting – Paul Craig Roberts
By Paul Craig Roberts on October 5, 2017

   
You will have to make up your own minds about Las Vegas. Why no videos of Stephen Paddock
carrying in the many cases of 23 firearms and ammunition?




Don't mean to stickler with what PCR has written, however, I've heard it pointed out before (from somewhere) that Paddock was a frequent guest at the Mandalay, and it would not be that much of a stretch to consider that perhaps several bellhops at the hotel did the work & heavy lifting of hauling various bags of "luggage" / equipment up to his room. Certainly, there would be video of carts of luggage being rolled into his room by said bellhops.


:)

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-40P1zcRM4g4/WbJ7Spie1BI/AAAAAAAAHQo/B7NqMwCTrNkLrOTruExyufAaZ4qX6KFxQCLcBGAs/s1600/jerry-lewis-and-baggage.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/07/13/13/363B4F5E00000578-3688180-image-a-39_1468412944331.jpg

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I haven't had time to check all videos, read all threads/posts just yet, but have muzzle flashes been identified in any footage?

I am by no means knowledgeable of firearms, and maybe I've seen too many movies, and maybe I'm completely wrong, but I'd expect muzzle flashes to show up bright and clear in the dark, at night - even from 100s of feet away. I'd also expect those flashes to closely synchronize with the sounds of gunfire. But in the clips so far I don't see anything coming from those 32nd storey windows, I can't see anything up there at all.

[TrumanCash]

Good question, Star Mariner. I asked the same question last Wednesday in post #188. I still have not viewed any videos that show muzzle flashes on the 32nd floor where the alleged shooter was shooting.

You can see lights in the rooms of the Mandalay at night through the tinted glass so muzzle flashes would have lit up the rooms that were indicated by the official (i.e., contrived) story even if the glass was not broken out.

There was a strobe light that was mistaken for muzzle flashes in a lower room. One video showed it flashing before the shooting started and in another video the strobe light continued flashing AFTER the rifle fire stopped. I saw another still photo of three lights in a lower area which appear to be just lights since it was not a video that showed them flashing--but nothing flashing on the 32nd floor.

The woman taxi driver whose video revealed at least two shooters reported that it sounded to her like someone was shooting out of the tenth floor. However, there are rooftops above where she was when she said that that theoretically could have been used by a shooter. And as I also pointed out there were numerous other possible elevated locations where a shooter could have hidden around and in the Harvest area (such as the double billboards which were closer).

[Jantje]

In this footage you can hear shots coming from 2 different locations it seems at around 4.05 onwards


HCIHXi4RdaQ

Sorry if it's been posted before, I went through a few pages but there is a lot of stuff in this thread

[Jantje]

The guy might have been dead while the shooting was going on.
When the media reports the gunman was on the 32nd floor, that's where everybody is gonna focus on. Just maybe, there really is nothing to find there (on the 32nd floor)



just a thought

[Tintin]

In this footage you can hear shots coming from 2 different locations it seems at around 4.05 onwards


HCIHXi4RdaQ

Sorry if it's been posted before, I went through a few pages but there is a lot of stuff in this thread

Actually, I don't think this one has, and it does seem to have a ring of authenticity about it. I've been right through this thread from beginning to end, and, it's some journey I can tell you!

Thanks for sharing.

[mountain_jim]

That last video, if audio can be trusted, definitely (to my ears) has 2 shooters at differing distances. Having the stage lights up maximum white facing the crowd blinds you to anything in that direction. Any interviews with stagehands / crew out there? Anyone to confirm or explain gates being chained shut 10 minutes before according to at least one account?

[Cidersomerset]

Don't mean to stickler with what PCR has written, however, I've heard it pointed out before (from somewhere) that Paddock was a frequent guest at the Mandalay, and it would not be that much of a stretch to consider that perhaps several bellhops at the hotel did the work & heavy lifting of hauling various bags of "luggage" / equipment up to his room. Certainly, there would be video of carts of luggage being rolled into his room by said bellhops.

Yeah I know the article is from the 5th and as with some of the others
they are not upto date. In the CBS interview with his brother he said that
it would be easy to get anything to his room by handing out a wad of $....

But some people may like to hear/read others first reactions and updates
and there maybe something missed , and I only just saw them.Most just
confirm the fact a lot of this does not add up....

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The guy might have been dead while the shooting was going on.

That would not surprise me judging by the photos of his body , it looks like
its from a classic spy thriller movie.....

[Noelle]

In this footage you can hear shots coming from 2 different locations it seems at around 4.05 onwards


HCIHXi4RdaQ

Sorry if it's been posted before, I went through a few pages but there is a lot of stuff in this thread

I don't get how people, when they should be running for their lives, can hold their phones and cameras and video record what's going on. :facepalm: I'm not saying that people can't or don't do it.

[Hervé]

Compiled, synchronized cameo videos:


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[Satori]

That last video, if audio can be trusted, definitely has 2 shooters at differing distances. Having the stage lights up maximum white facing the crowd blinds you to anything in that direction. Any interviews with stagehands / crew out there? Anyone to confirm or explain gates being chained shut 10 minutes before according to at least one account?

I would say at least 2 shooters, in different locations and with at least two different weapons of different caliber.

And, there is a man with a tan shirt and a yellow reflector vest in this video (I did not note the time mark when he appears.) who looks like the man in the other video seen coming into the bottom left corner of the video and then crouching down at the 8-second mark, all coinciding with flashing of light and apparent gunfire, and then who appears again at the 19-second mark of that other video. It may not be the same person, but it's the same law enforcement-appearing or security attire.

ADD: He appears at the 1:45 mark and seems to be saying "Come on. Come on!"

[Ewan]

I would venture to suggest that no guest could get 20 plus weapons into a hotel room without some kind of 'pass', ie. inside assistance. All these hotels employ top notch security and the majority probably employ discrete metal detectors. Listen as Steve Wynn discusses his security concerns. (2+ years ago)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akK5ylYt04Y

More currently, Wynn mentions using a service elevator without any prompting?
paraphrase "No guest could use a service elevator without security being present."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxBZPCfJvMc

[turiya]

Compiled, synchronized cameo videos:


Gzc_6ditzIw
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Videos on my channel will NEVER be monitized. The purpose for these is knowledge and knowledge ONLY. The public has a RIGHT to know what did, did not, and could have happened that night. I WILL fight tooth and nail to make sure these videos remain posted by any means necessary. Reposting for documentation and preservation of video evidence to keep the public informed of what happened that night. If I post a video of yours, and you can verify it I will give full credit in the title and description. I am not trying to steal work, but keeping things available for understanding and education of that night.

Good find Hervé, @ ~ 8m52s, there can be seen flahes coming from a window at the Mandalay. These flashes seem to be synched-up to the sound of gunfire.

[Omni]

If Paddock was smart -- and I'm sure he was with his education and work experience -- why would he have ever agreed to a meeting (transfer of arms) with ISIS at a Las Vegas casino-resort, where he had to have known that hundreds/thousands of fellow Americans and international visitors would be in harm's way if something went wrong?

Not saying this is the case, but with electromagnetic mind control they can negate any mental process, they can go in and select certain mind algorithms and remove them. They know which mind algorithms lead to which type of thought. I experience it on a daily basis when I'm writing. Sometimes I can feel a certain amount of mind CPU negated, but that is only when I have the mind algorithm capable of detecting such things. Mind control goes so much deeper than the standard trauma based mind control literature describes. Every single mechanic of the mind can be inhibited, created or enhanced with end game RF weaponry. So when it comes to massive social engineering events like this sometimes trying to truly pinpoint a person's thinking capacity at the time isn't a good way to go. Another aspect is that everyone handles pressure differently, so intelligent people can be the opposite under fire.

[TrumanCash]

Compiled, synchronized cameo videos:


Gzc_6ditzIw
https://yt3.ggpht.com/-jgn2eFilN7U/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/p1aYwhnTUSc/s88-c-k-no-mo-rj-c0xffffff/photo.jpg (https://www.youtube.com/user/Ded0099)Ded0099 (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZGNc1KVAcsyqOICqP7DdAg) Published on Oct 4, 2017

Videos on my channel will NEVER be monitized. The purpose for these is knowledge and knowledge ONLY. The public has a RIGHT to know what did, did not, and could have happened that night. I WILL fight tooth and nail to make sure these videos remain posted by any means necessary. Reposting for documentation and preservation of video evidence to keep the public informed of what happened that night. If I post a video of yours, and you can verify it I will give full credit in the title and description. I am not trying to steal work, but keeping things available for understanding and education of that night.

Good find Hervé, @ ~ 8m52s, there can be seen flahes coming from a window at the Mandalay. These flashes seem to be synched-up to the sound of gunfire.

Turiya, at what point in the video do you see the flashes and where exactly do you see them? I couldn't find any muzzle flashes anywhere. I focused mainly on the Mandalay but also examined other areas.

[turiya]

Compiled, synchronized cameo videos:


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Videos on my channel will NEVER be monitized. The purpose for these is knowledge and knowledge ONLY. The public has a RIGHT to know what did, did not, and could have happened that night. I WILL fight tooth and nail to make sure these videos remain posted by any means necessary. Reposting for documentation and preservation of video evidence to keep the public informed of what happened that night. If I post a video of yours, and you can verify it I will give full credit in the title and description. I am not trying to steal work, but keeping things available for understanding and education of that night.

Good find Hervé, @ ~ 8m52s, there can be seen flahes coming from a window at the Mandalay. These flashes seem to be synched-up to the sound of gunfire.

Turiya, at what point in the video do you see the flashes and where exactly do you see them? I couldn't find any muzzle flashes anywhere. I focused mainly on the Mandalay but also examined other areas.




Time is correct - 8m52s. The cab driver video on the right. Just as the cab driver says, "It seems like its coming from up there.... Oh sh!t..." It is only seen for 2-3 seconds at the most... Its not the 32nd floor, imo. Btw, the Mandalay windows can be removed - popped out - from the inside.


http://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2017_40/2180856/171006-mandalay-bay-windows-fbi-ew-242p_83915636eb2b9231364d54cc2d6e71b6.330;320;7;70;5.jpg
Window Maintenance @ Mandaly

http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/GUNFIRE_FLASH_FROM_WINDOW_AT_MANDALAY.png
Gunfire Flash from Mandalay Window?

[Dennis Leahy]

(Thankful to all here at Project Avalon that are trying to discover the truth about the Vegas killing field.)

Red herring:
It appears that the "security guard shooting into the crowd" is really a cop who (in 2017, US cop new normalcy fashion) draws his handgun and aims at whatever he saw, whatever made him draw his gun, which was in the crowd. Astoundingly, even though as he is starting to raise his pistol, a burst of automatic rifle fire goes off freaking the cop and everyone else out, but the freaked out cop doesn't shoot. He did aim his weapon at the crowd (inexcusable, no matter what he thought he saw), but he didn't fire his weapon.

When I heard several people say, "no, the security guard raises a flashlight", I had to look carefully for myself, and played it frame-by-frame. The cop next to him (on his left) does evidently have a flashlight, but the cop on the right has a handgun:
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That's a cropped frame capture. Gun barrel still pointed to the ground, as the gun is being raised.

Once I looked at it frame-by-frame, it didn't look to me like the cop fired a shot, and went searching on CIAtube, er, googletube, er, youtube and found someone that analyzed the same sequence and (by adjustments to lightening) clearly show that there is no muzzle flash from that cop's gun. Plus, it is a small pistol that would not have made the sounds of an automatic rifle in the distance, and from where the video was shot, on the cellphone's mic it would have been 10x louder. No one in front of the cop appears to have been shot.

I hate that this guy uses the term "debunk", but here's the video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SEoIVibqKQ

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SEoIVibqKQ

Also, in the sequence, a stray bullet hits the ground near a plastic cup and spins the cup (= real bullets fired.) This one was hard for me to see, and I was sure that a person running through the scene had kicked the cup, not a ricocheting bullet. But again, someone had made a video analyzing that specific little event, and it certainly does appear to be a ricocheting bullet (visually as well as audio.) This video turns the ricochet sound up to cartoonish volume, so much so that I had to go back and watch the original to see if the sound is in there. It is.

Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRDY4mq6_PU

Keep at it, my Avalon friends! One thing we know for sure, since at least Nov 22nd, 1963: the people who did this won't solve the crime, and whoever they name as the perps are not the perps. All that's left are citizen journalists and citizens combing through publicly available evidence and doing research. We are all we have, but we are enough.

[TrumanCash]

Compiled, synchronized cameo videos:


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Videos on my channel will NEVER be monitized. The purpose for these is knowledge and knowledge ONLY. The public has a RIGHT to know what did, did not, and could have happened that night. I WILL fight tooth and nail to make sure these videos remain posted by any means necessary. Reposting for documentation and preservation of video evidence to keep the public informed of what happened that night. If I post a video of yours, and you can verify it I will give full credit in the title and description. I am not trying to steal work, but keeping things available for understanding and education of that night.

Good find Hervé, @ ~ 8m52s, there can be seen flahes coming from a window at the Mandalay. These flashes seem to be synched-up to the sound of gunfire.

Turiya, at what point in the video do you see the flashes and where exactly do you see them? I couldn't find any muzzle flashes anywhere. I focused mainly on the Mandalay but also examined other areas.




Time is correct - 8m52s. The cab driver video on the right. Its only is seen for 2-3 seconds... Its not the 32nd floor, imo. Btw, the Mandalay windows can be removed - popped out - from the inside.


http://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2017_40/2180856/171006-mandalay-bay-windows-fbi-ew-242p_83915636eb2b9231364d54cc2d6e71b6.330;320;7;70;5.jpg
Window Maintenance @ Mandaly

Turiya, are you referring to the strobe light at about 8:50 in the video? If you look closely it keeps flashing AFTER the gun fire stops. The taxi is moving but a second or two later you get a couple more glimpses of it after the shooting stops.

Also, there's another video that shows it flashing long BEFORE any shooting starts.

If I run across that video that I saw of the strobe light BEFORE the shooting, I'll post it.

[Hervé]

[...]
Anyone to confirm or explain gates being chained shut 10 minutes before according to at least one account?
Drive-by shooting at hotel lobbies already started on that street.

[turiya]

Compiled, synchronized cameo videos:


Gzc_6ditzIw
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Videos on my channel will NEVER be monitized. The purpose for these is knowledge and knowledge ONLY. The public has a RIGHT to know what did, did not, and could have happened that night. I WILL fight tooth and nail to make sure these videos remain posted by any means necessary. Reposting for documentation and preservation of video evidence to keep the public informed of what happened that night. If I post a video of yours, and you can verify it I will give full credit in the title and description. I am not trying to steal work, but keeping things available for understanding and education of that night.

Good find Hervé, @ ~ 8m52s, there can be seen flahes coming from a window at the Mandalay. These flashes seem to be synched-up to the sound of gunfire.

Turiya, at what point in the video do you see the flashes and where exactly do you see them? I couldn't find any muzzle flashes anywhere. I focused mainly on the Mandalay but also examined other areas.




Time is correct - 8m52s. The cab driver video on the right. Its only is seen for 2-3 seconds... Its not the 32nd floor, imo. Btw, the Mandalay windows can be removed - popped out - from the inside.


http://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2017_40/2180856/171006-mandalay-bay-windows-fbi-ew-242p_83915636eb2b9231364d54cc2d6e71b6.330;320;7;70;5.jpg
Window Maintenance @ Mandaly

Turiya, are you referring to the strobe light at about 8:50 in the video? If you look closely it keeps flashing AFTER the gun fire stops. The taxi is moving but a second or two later you get a couple more glimpses of it after the shooting stops.

Also, there's another video that shows it flashing long BEFORE any shooting starts.

If I run across that video that I saw of the strobe light BEFORE the shooting, I'll post it.




I would suggest that you keep in account that light travels faster than sound. And, also listen closely because there is a single burst after the longer burst set. That is what you are saying is a strobelight that continues after the longer burst. I would suggest to try looking at this several times over & listen for that last single burst. Then the bursts continue after the driver moves away from the scene. That is what I see in this.

[TrumanCash]

The following videos show that the alleged "muzzle flashes" at Mandalay Bay were actually a strobe light.

Analysis of strobe light video from taxi:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9axVG7j6kP4

Strobe light after shooting:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RpvVwsodHE

Strobe light before shooting during "God Bless America" sing along:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlW4t3Ky0Ew

[turiya]

Okay, Truman... With the flashing going on behind the news reporter... I see. I stand corrected. Thank you.

[Cidersomerset]

Alex still thinks the shooter was connected to ISIS somehow....

Craig Sawyer says " This case stinks to high heaven"...

Expert: Evidence Points Towards Multiple Shooters In Vegas!
We Are Witnessing A Cover up

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Published on 8 Oct 2017

Alex talks about how the MSM has changed the narrative and
how they have misinformed the public about the vegas massacre.
With ex Navy seal and ballistics expert Craig Sawyer....

[Omni]

Take a trip down the rabbit hole and read about the technologies they use to induce/persuade/coerce events like these: Total Individual Control Technology (http://www.technologywiki.org/index.php?title=Total_Individual_Control_Technology). The link is a very long list of bullet points and quotes taken from many aspects of my own work from the last couple years. I have paid a high price for this knowledge. This truth does not come without sacrifice...

Those who have obtained these technologies are the epitome of dirty and sick minded. I have zero doubt they are behind all manner of heinous events with these technologies worldwide. I have to look no further than my email inbox, twitter notifications, or skype for confirmation (beyond my own case).

Do you think Paddock was manipulated by these technologies? Or was everyone involved in the event manipulated to play their parts? One more or: Was the entire event a virtual reality construct (created by AI or black project workers)? If I sound confused, it's because I am. :confused: There's so much that they can do with these technologies.

It appears to me that at least a sizable portion of these events are orchestrated with covert elements of these technologies. They at the very least are well aware of it being planned. Several sources have a full spectrum global surface thought surveillance grid. Several sources in the shadow government know when this will happen before it happens if they did not orchestrate it themselves.

As for shooters, the subjects themselves are often unaware of the technological influence. Some of them are well aware of the technological influence. One (unrelated to Las Vegas actions) shooter, Myron May, posted this to his facebook before he shot up a campus:


http://www.occult.wiki/images/8/88/Myron-may-lead.jpg

Aaron Alexis was another who was overtly targeted by the technology that ended up going ballistic on civilians. I do not give any credence to the idea that it was a virtual reality event. Most virtual reality psyops i believe take place while the subject/target is sleeping. They come back and it can be construed as "recovered memories" because the VR is registered in the memory system organically.

[Noelle]

Take a trip down the rabbit hole and read about the technologies they use to induce/persuade/coerce events like these: Total Individual Control Technology (http://www.technologywiki.org/index.php?title=Total_Individual_Control_Technology). The link is a very long list of bullet points and quotes taken from many aspects of my own work from the last couple years. I have paid a high price for this knowledge. This truth does not come without sacrifice...

Those who have obtained these technologies are the epitome of dirty and sick minded. I have zero doubt they are behind all manner of heinous events with these technologies worldwide. I have to look no further than my email inbox, twitter notifications, or skype for confirmation (beyond my own case).

Do you think Paddock was manipulated by these technologies? Or was everyone involved in the event manipulated to play their parts? One more or: Was the entire event a virtual reality construct (created by AI or black project workers)? If I sound confused, it's because I am. :confused: There's so much that they can do with these technologies.

It appears to me that at least a sizable portion of these events are orchestrated with covert elements of these technologies. They at the very least are well aware of it being planned. Several sources have a full spectrum global surface thought surveillance grid. Several sources in the shadow government know when this will happen before it happens if they did not orchestrate it themselves.

As for shooters, the subjects themselves are often unaware of the technological influence. Some of them are well aware of the technological influence. One (unrelated to Las Vegas actions) shooter, Myron May, posted this to his facebook before he shot up a campus:


http://www.occult.wiki/images/8/88/Myron-may-lead.jpg

Aaron Alexis was another who was overtly targeted by the technology that ended up going ballistic on civilians. I do not give any credence to the idea that it was a virtual reality event. Most virtual reality psyops i believe take place while the subject/target is sleeping. They come back and it can be construed as "recovered memories" because the VR is registered in the memory system organically.

Thanks for tackling my questions. I am less confused now on how that tech can be used in events like these. I did not know about May and his FB post.

[Cidersomerset]

What the mainstream are reporting...


" It looked like it was straight out of the movies"....

What police saw upon entering Las Vegas gunman's hotel room

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Published on 9 Oct 2017

It has been just over one week since gunman Stephen Paddock killed 58
people in Las Vegas. The first team of officers to enter Paddock's Mandalay
Bay hotel room spoke out Sunday on "60 Minutes." Correspondent Bill
Whitaker joins "CBS This Morning" to discuss what they told him about the scene.

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Las Vegas shooting: Officers recall Stephen Paddock hotel raid


Short vid on link

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41557228

Read more...

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Las Vegas shooting: Rate of fire - inside America's arsenal - BBC News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo7_3m49QAY

Published on 9 Oct 2017

The Las Vegas gunman fired hundreds of rounds, including at one point 90 bullets in 10 seconds.
Such bursts of gunfire will have shocked many, especially outside the US, but everyday Americans
own these powerful weapons too.Here's a guide to the firearms legally available in most US states,
and the rate at which they fire bullets.Video by Paul Blake
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41557228

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Las Vegas gunman's hotel room resembled an 'armory'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_guKkX3Wr0k
9 oct Fox news
First responders speak out on what was inside Stephen Paddock's Mandalay Bay
room; Will Car reports from Las Vegas.

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More that does not fit the 'frame'....Few people are evil but many are 'grey'...
and we have more than the one stock picture and a corpse....

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/paddock1-ht-ml-171009_v12x5_4x3_992.jpghttp://a.abcnews.com/images/US/paddock4b-ht-ml-171009_v12x5_4x3_992.jpg

Las Vegas shooter's former co-worker speaks out ...Says Paddock was kind,fun and generous to his tenants..

ABC News

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Published on 9 Oct 2017
Lisa Crawford said she was a property manager for the suspected gunman, Stephen
Paddock, in Texas and recalls him as generous to his tenants as new details emerge
about the note Paddock left behind.

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Las Vegas Shooting: Investigators Still In Search Of Gunman Stephen Paddock's Motive | TODAY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-slXpBZdl0
Published on 9 Oct 2017
In Las Vegas, the lights on the city’s iconic strip were dimmed to mark one week
since the tragic mass shooting there. Meanwhile, investigators are still struggling to
find Stephen Paddock’s motive. NBC national correspondent Miguel Almaguer
reports for TODAY.

[Cidersomerset]

As expected the call for scanners to beef up security and make money for the
security industry. The second is CNN putting the 'crazed unstable element' into
the narrative. All this is BS as the next shooter/bomber/stabber/truck/chemical,acid
attack will be different and more creative......

The big worry is the crack down on alternative media that has been creaping in
with Russia gate , U'tube changing algorithms and the tech giants being called
in to testify in congressional hearings.



Hotels need to scan everything to prevent mass shootings: Damon Zumwalt

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Published on 9 Oct 2017

Contemporary Services Corporation CEO Damon Zumwalt on the Las Vegas
shooting and why hotels may need to enhance their security measures.
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In Wake Of Las Vegas Shooting, Hotels Push For Increased Security | TODAY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqB5llkm6bc
Experts say that at hotels across the nation, a new push for increased security is on
in the wake of the Las Vegas shooting, including scanning both you and your bags.
TODAY national investigative correspondent Jeff Rossen reports from Las Vegas.
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CIANN ...highlighting the narcotic gambler..

Las Vegas man ( Stephen ) gambling habits revealed

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Published on 9 Oct 2017

He was a nocturnal creature who gambled all night and slept all day.






He took Valium at times for anxiousness, and had the doctor who prescribed it to
him on retainer.He wagered up to a million dollars a night, but wandered around
glitzy Las Vegas casinos in sweatpants and flip-flops, and carried his own drink into
the high rollers' area because he didn't want to tip the waitresses too muchThis was
Stephen Paddock as he saw himself four years before he opened fire on a crowd of
concertgoers, killing at least 58 people in the worst mass shooting in modern
American history.

The details are contained in a 97-page court deposition obtained exclusively by
CNN. Paddock was deposed October 29, 2013 as part of a civil lawsuit against the
Cosmopolitan Hotel, where he slipped and fell on a walkway in 2011.What
otherwise would have been a mundane proceeding offers fresh details about
Paddock's life and habits -- for the first time -- from the killer's own mouth. The
document has been turned over to the FBI,

[Marikins]

Jury's still out for me on Alex Jones and his involvement here.
Alex Jones and company is calling anyone who thinks there is a possibility of more than one gunman "idiotic" and is buying the Antifa angle so I think they are trying to rile up the Right while protecting the Empire. I guess I'm the juror everybody hates.

[mountain_jim]

I am not one to defend Alex Jones, but in the above video he is all about the 'more than one gunman' evidence proving the official story is bunk.

[Caliban]

I urge everyone to read this article Cidersomerset linked to below. That guy nails it!! It's short and sweet and profound.






WAKING TIMES...

The Choose-Your-Own-Reality Theory of Terror, Mass Shootings and Spiritual Warfare

October 6, 2017
Dylan Charles editor...

Waking Times
By now, every possible angle of the Las Vegas shooting has been expounded upon
by anyone with a website or a YouTube channel. Without a doubt, something
doesn’t add up, but, we’ve gone through this before, many times now, and it never
adds up.

read more...
http://www.wakingtimes.com/2017/10/06/choose-reality-theory-terror-mass-shootings-spiritual-warfare/

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[Caliban]

Go to 4:23 on the video below. If that gunfire is about 100 ft away why are all those people in the porch area just casually hanging out? Why don't they hear what this supposed taxi driver hears? Could that be a sound track added in post ?

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The woman taxi driver whose video revealed at least two shooters reported that it sounded to her like someone was shooting out of the tenth floor. However, there are rooftops above where she was when she said that that theoretically could have been used by a shooter. And as I also pointed out there were numerous other possible elevated locations where a shooter could have hidden around and in the Harvest area (such as the double billboards which were closer).

[Bill Ryan]

I am not one to defend Alex Jones, but in the above video he is all about the 'more than one gunman' evidence proving the official story is bunk.

Yes, Alex (supported by many experts and witnesses) is certain there were multiple shooters.


I urge everyone to read this article Cidersomerset linked to below. That guys nails it!! It's short and sweet and profound.


http://wakingtimes.com/2017/10/06/choose-reality-theory-terror-mass-shootings-spiritual-warfare


Yes, that quite closely parallels what I was saying in my post #243 here.


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100040-Active-shooter-in-Las-Vegas-59-dead-527-injured&p=1183953&viewfull=1#post1183953

[Noelle]

I urge everyone to read this article Cidersomerset linked to below. That guys nails it!! It's short and sweet and profound.




http://www.wakingtimes.com/2017/10/06/choose-reality-theory-terror-mass-shootings-spiritual-warfare/

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I'm with you on this article. Out of all that I've read and listened to, this one makes the most sense.

[ThePythonicCow]

I urge everyone to read this article Cidersomerset linked to below. That guys nails it!! It's short and sweet and profound.



The Choose-Your-Own-Reality Theory of Terror, Mass Shootings and Spiritual Warfare
...
http://www.wakingtimes.com/2017/10/06/choose-reality-theory-terror-mass-shootings-spiritual-warfare/

Yes - excellent article.

[TrumanCash]

This is strange. At 2:00 of the CBS interview in Cider's post (https://youtu.be/5MRi996ozdw) an officer mentions "the flashing lights" that were in the room on the 32nd floor. The videos from the concert area do not show any light at all coming from those windows which were "allegedly" broken out.

The only flashing (strobing) lights that were visible from the concert area and video-recorded were on a lower floor (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100040-Active-shooter-in-Las-Vegas-59-dead-527-injured&p=1184615&viewfull=1#post1184615) and not on the 32nd floor.

Makes me wonder if they decided to write it into the script since the strobing light has drawn so much attention.

[turiya]

White House Petition to Probe Vegas Shootings....

Sign the Petition (https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/investigate-october-1st-mass-shooting-las-vegas)


Petition to Probe Vegas Shootings, 1823
(Oct 8, 2017)

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The October 1st mass shooting event in Las Vegas has shocked the nation, but we, the people, have lost significant trust in the FBI to honestly investigate this event. For example, the Clark County, Nevada Sheriff, Joe Lombardo, said in an Oct. 4th news conference that shooter Steven Paddock could not have acted alone; he left no suicide note; he wanted to escape and he had an escape plan. Photos taken inside Paddock’s room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel show fewer than 100 shell casings, yet, perhaps as many 2,000 shots may have been fired. Yet, the media now insists he was the lone shooter. The public does not know what to believe and only a fully-transparent, bi-partisan investigation by Congress can decide truth from fiction and determine who was involved and why.

Click here to sign petition: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/investigate-october-1st-mass-shooting-las-vegas

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[findingneo]

I rarely watch TV these days, but switched it onto a mainstream tv program, simply because the cat accidentally caused "cat"astrophic damage to the antenna attached, that ruined the reception, and I could only get the one channel when flicking through the channels. That one channel had a mainstream, national, current affairs program on that it usually very dull, and very mainstream. I happened to switch onto it just as they were canning alternative news sites. Alex Jones was one of them. They were canning all those that made the ludicrous suggestion that it was a false flag and there were no casualties, and those that made the suggestion that there may have been more than one shooter. So they mentioned Alex regarding the multiple shooter and Antifa.

Interesting how much alternative media is being mentioned now in the mainstream. I suppose mainstream realizes how much alternative media influence has on the masses.

I have not been following the aftermath of the shootings. But I cannot help wonder if one of the possible reasons is for the electro magnetic loosh rush. Videos that I see both Bill and LadyM have shared, the video has the words "spiritual warfare" in the heading, and yet, when it is shortened by google, it says on my feed, "...ritual warfare...". Perhaps it is that as well, not just spiritual, which would tie in with the loosh side of things.

That brought to mind, remembering what Munroe (I think it was him) said about his astral travel experiences. He noticed as he left the earth in his astral state that there were, archons or similar (what I imagine to be "Dementor" type beings from Harry Potter), draining the energy from heightened emotions as they gathered over war torn zones to feed on the energy. (I see now that a few others have mentioned the energy harvesting thing previously)

That then brought to mind the wondering if it could also be an intention to change the frequency of the consciousness of the masses. This is an interesting website many are all aware of that measures how large scale events effects the worldwide mass consciousness, through measuring how humanity is linked to and effects the world wide electromagnetic fields and energy systems.

Electro magnetic energy is "light" after all, isn't it?

https://www.heartmath.org/research/global-coherence/gcms-live-data/

[Nasu]

I rarely watch TV these days, but switched it onto a mainstream tv program, simply because the cat accidentally caused "cat"astrophic damage to the antenna attached, that ruined the reception, and I could only get the one channel when flicking through the channels. That one channel had a mainstream, national, current affairs program on that it usually very dull, and very mainstream. I happened to switch onto it just as they were canning alternative news sites. Alex Jones was one of them. They were canning all those that made the ludicrous suggestion that it was a false flag and there were no casualties, and those that made the suggestion that there may have been more than one shooter. So they mentioned Alex regarding the multiple shooter and Antifa.

Interesting how much alternative media is being mentioned now in the mainstream. I suppose mainstream realizes how much alternative media influence has on the masses.

I have not been following the aftermath of the shootings. But I cannot help wonder if one of the possible reasons is for the electro magnetic loosh rush. Videos that I see both Bill and LadyM have shared, the video has the words "spiritual warfare" in the heading, and yet, when it is shortened by google, it says on my feed, "...ritual warfare...". Perhaps it is that as well, not just spiritual, which would tie in with the loosh side of things.

That brought to mind, remembering what Munroe (I think it was him) said about his astral travel experiences. He noticed as he left the earth in his astral state that there were, archons or similar (what I imagine to be "Dementor" type beings from Harry Potter), draining the energy from heightened emotions as they gathered over war torn zones to feed on the energy. (I see now that a few others have mentioned the energy harvesting thing previously)

That then brought to mind the wondering if it could also be an intention to change the frequency of the consciousness of the masses. This is an interesting website many are all aware of that measures how large scale events effects the worldwide mass consciousness, through measuring how humanity is linked to and effects the world wide electromagnetic fields and energy systems.

Electro magnetic energy is "light" after all, isn't it?

https://www.heartmath.org/research/global-coherence/gcms-live-data/

Interesting thoughts. My own view is that I have been slowly self weaning myself off tv and the msm, so called for the past few years. This last "incident" has clarified in my mind that my path is right, none of msm or tv can be trusted, it's all propaganda and not good propaganda at that. We can go back and forth about the details of this latest plot, we can agree or disagree, depending on our viewpoint. One thing I hope Avalon members CAN agree on is this:

Whoever is involved is "big" enough to influence both the msm and the alt media, YouTube, google and Facebook being good examples. Ergo, therefore, this is big. It's not about some individual shooter, nor a small political group like IS / ISIS / DIESH, so called, this is even bigger still. This is NOT about bump stocks, democrats or republicans, or even gun control in general, it's bigger than that.

For me personally this is a reminder to trust no one but my gut instincts and do what I think needs to be done, time is short. My only consolation in all this distraction is that certain well funded and well informed individuals and groups seem to believe they are aiming for a 2020 timeline to cash in and or merge their companies for maximum profit, that gives me hope for the next few years may actually happen / exist at least, maybe we have a little more time left still to act...

That being said I do love all you guys for digging so hard and so deep, but as has been said before, this is just for ourselves, it's just an ego trip, just an echo chamber, we are preaching or singing to the choir. That being said please, please carry on...

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that we need to work harder to co create the future we all wish to see, even if we die trying. This so called civilization or society is not what we want and is not what we need as a species.

I'm going off for a while, I need to live what I mean, away from keyboard.... I love you guys, good luck getting to the bottom of this. I'm going back to being lost in the woods to train my mind and body. Please bear in mind no-one has yet got to the bottom of the JFK shooting, or for that matter the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria. If your reading this, you are the resistance, if you need me, just look in the mirror, I'll be there.....x..... N


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxmEFeKy8aI

Ps. "the official narrative is an absolute lie" No matter your position, you have gotta love this guy. He is you and he is me. Like you, like me, in his innocence he is the resistance, he is the revolution...Carry on...x

[findingneo]

Well said. Will miss you here, but, have a good time NASU. If you are literally going off into the woods to train your mind and body, it sounds wonderful. I imagine being able to get away for that sort of thing too. Too many commitments just now, but looking forward to the day. Bye for now.x

[onevoice]

Like many people here, I've been following this event. Many people and outlets have certainly posed many views and explanation as to what happened. Since there have been many people attesting to personally knowing people who have died or injured, I believe these reports.

Also, there is one facet of this story that has been bothering me, and that is that the number of the people that died has been fairly steady at 58 or 59 from the very outset of the story. I've read this report (http://beforeitsnews.com/gold-and-precious-metals/2017/10/military-surgeon-says-videos-of-las-vegas-gunshot-victims-are-fake-3169112.html) by a supposed military surgeon that has the view that the victims were all crisis actors. The reporter explains that this event involved crisis actors since the wounds resulting from the high-powered weapons would cause serious injury that for many people who may initially survive, but later die - thus the reporter expected the death count to go up since the shootings.

[Cidersomerset]

Quote Posted by Tyy1907 (here)
Jury's still out for me on Alex Jones and his involvement here.

Alex Jones and company is calling anyone who thinks there is a possibility of more
than one gunman "idiotic" and is buying the Antifa angle so I think they are trying
to rile up the Right while protecting the Empire. I guess I'm the juror everybody
hates.

The situation is fluid but Alex has been saying there was more than one gunman
from early on . The ISIS , Antifa material/ links is coming from inside sources
in the police and intel , whether that is false or not is a question though Alex
seems confident in it , who knows at this stage ?







BREAKING! Vegas Sheriff Forced To Alter Shooters Timeline After Questions From Citizen Journalists

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Published on 9 Oct 2017
We've known for 6 days that "shooter" Stephen Paddock checked into the Mandalay Bay
hotel on 9/25/17 based on valet receipts. This is three days earlier than the publicly
admitted timeline from Las Vegas Sheriff Lombardo. Also in the press conference it was
revealed that security guard Jose Campos was shot before the "shooter" started firing
upon the crowd. This directly contradicts the timeline presented on 10/4/17 there LVPD
indicated that the security guard was shot which prompted the stop in the massacre.

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Establishment Can't Cover Up Details Of Las Vegas Shooter

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Published on 9 Oct 2017
Alex Jones does a boil down on all of the evidence stacking up concerning Las
Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock. The media and its tsunami of lies can't cover up
the truth.

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Quotes from the ANTIFA's Playbook Revealed......Rules for radicals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEDr0T2dTYQ

Published on 9 Oct 2017
As we face the coming tide of violence that Antifa, The Democratic Socialists, and
other treasonous groups are fomenting. Its important to see their salinskyite tactics
for what they are.

[Tesseract]

I was going to post a bombshell video that I found online, but it already half appears in Cider's post (post 424) above. Please(!) watch it if you didn't yet (full NBC version below, where you will see my dot points), it's almost as fascinating (if you have been following this drama) as the brother's now famous press conference. TLDR: My main point for this post is in the last paragraph.

Here is the non-infowars version:

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- Lombardo almost starts crying in the early part of the press conference (and not due to grief surrounding the victims, as far as I can tell), and to a lesser extent again towards the end.
- Lombardo is forced to defend his comments that the shooter was planning an escape, says there have now been discussions about that (reading between the lines: others in the police have shot down this idea).
- Lombardo gets angry and admonishes a journalist as the conference surges towards the moment where he will be asked to admit he is changing his story.
- Lombardo is asked that very question, and confesses that the timeline regarding Jesus Campos has now changed.
- Lombardo comments on the perception that he is frustrated.
- Lombardo admits that the check-in timeline has now changed too.

I have found Lombardo to be a fascinating character in this story. At one conference he was grinning ridiculously (may have been one where Trump was present), which was utterly incongruous with the subject of the conference. Later he, rather astoundingly and unilaterally, puts forward a literal conspiracy theory - that Paddock had assistance, and the rather unconvincing claim that Paddock wished to escape. Another time he was asked (it was barely audible) by a journalist if he thought they would find a motive; Lombaro's answer was staggeringly hard and fast (Yes), he had no doubt about it (almost as if her knew already). In the same conference he admitted that he had a lot of information that he was not sharing, and that if he answered (I am paraphrasing) 'I don't know' to a question, 'it didn't necessarily mean he didn't know' (to laughter from the journalists). At another conference he, rather vainly heaped praise on his police officers (this was before the 72 minute timeline was revealed) for being so efficient and brave, it seemed weird at the time, maybe because it was so close to the event and that is not really the time for that kind of commentary and self-praise. Separately, at another conference, after it was looking like Campos was the one who stopped the shooting, Lombardo was (embarrassingly) quick to say the police were right behind Campos and would have got there seconds later anyway. I noted with interest that after this, a different police spokesperson came out and said the police maybe hadn't properly recognised and praised the role that Campos played (I think this was done in response to Lombardo's behaviour).



And how, here he is, with an (FBI?) minder literally over his shoulder, at one point telling him that it wouldn't be prudent to share information about the number of phones, after which Lombardo says he doesn't know the answer (when he clearly does) - it's odd that he defers to the FBI here before answering - as if they had previously agreed not to talk about the phones, but Lombardo can't help himself and tries to get permission to answer the question.

It looks like Lombardo is not trusted by the FBI and perhaps even by other police involved in the investigation. Was Lombardo on friendly terms with Trump before this all happened?

But most importantly:

It was stated (I think) multiple times (I will have to find the source) that Paddock fired about 200 shots at Campos (sounded odd to me from the beginning). We now know (I think) that the VERY FIRST shots were fired at Campos according to police - so therefore the first 200 or so shots that we have audio recordings of, should have been down the corridor at Campos. But here's the problem: we have video of the first dozens of shots, and they are definitely being fired into the crowd. This is a huge contradiction. Unless 200 shots fired down the corridor were not audible. I expect the '200 shots at Campos' claim to be retracted shortly. What a mess this is.

[findingneo]

I wire up a hairdryer the wrong way when it only has 2 wires to the plug so I am not tech savvy, at all, but I read your interaction with LadyM, Omnisense. I had been wondering, simply from the unlikely stance that this man would do such a thing without leaving breadcrumbs that he was being remotely controlled somehow. Could he have been given a trigger word that could have set off some sort of programming he was put through? Is it possible there could be tech in what we would consider to be physical implants, such as those, people find in their bodies from alien abductions, in the neck, head, limbs, and such? The sort of little capsule implants that Steven Greer says are actually from terrestrial abductions made to look like alien abductions? Do you think something like that could have a remote control sleeper activation type capacity Omnisense?

[Tintin]

In this footage you can hear shots coming from 2 different locations it seems at around 4.05 onwards


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Sorry if it's been posted before, I went through a few pages but there is a lot of stuff in this thread

I don't get how people, when they should be running for their lives, can hold their phones and cameras and video record what's going on. :facepalm: I'm not saying that people can't or don't do it.

The same thought crossed my mind as well, but, from the point of view of a certain mindset that knows they are caught up in what appears to be a momentous event, great social media content may be a motivator coupled with an instinct that it may also be worth the risk to document it in some way.

Bearing in mind that this is/was, I am absolutely certain, a psychological operational false flag event - that's a no brainer and many of us here have determined that - run with military precision would necessitate also ensuring that your field agents would also be in position in the role of cameraman, strategically positioned at various points on the ground, to capture the event.

The sources for some footage, not all footage, would be part of the operation. I think it sage, sensible, and critical even, to ignore any reference at all to this being a "ISIS FBI sting operation gone wrong" or to employ that narrative in drawing any firm conclusion. That is if I may so boldly state, palpable nonsense. This was well planned and executed with multiple players, with plenty of "snow" dumped on top after the fact, to confuse people. Very clever, but, less so the more you familiarise yourself with the MO; they, and we, have had plenty of practice for a while now.

What is interesting from listening to this footage is that the starting point captured here does reveal gunshots before the fusillade that we have become accustomed to with some earlier footage shared here and, more widely familiar on the net.

[Tintin]

I urge everyone to read this article Cidersomerset linked to below. That guy nails it!! It's short and sweet and profound.






WAKING TIMES...

The Choose-Your-Own-Reality Theory of Terror, Mass Shootings and Spiritual Warfare

October 6, 2017
Dylan Charles editor...

Waking Times
By now, every possible angle of the Las Vegas shooting has been expounded upon
by anyone with a website or a YouTube channel. Without a doubt, something
doesn’t add up, but, we’ve gone through this before, many times now, and it never
adds up.

read more...
http://www.wakingtimes.com/2017/10/06/choose-reality-theory-terror-mass-shootings-spiritual-warfare/

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To use musical parlance, when the thread starts to dry or reach its natural end, this would serve as the perfect 'set closer'. A brilliant piece of writing by Dylan Charles - wonderful find @Cidersomerset

[findingneo]

Robert Stanley's take on it.

http://unicusmagazine.com/Satanic_Sacrifice.htm

Scroll down a little to see the article.

[Cidersomerset]

This is the next step in the media hype , if the public are not buying your first
stories start planting more seeds.....As we saw with the CIANN article yesterday ,
about drugs the old conspiracy nut is being rolled out ,classic intelligence disinfomation.


CIANN ...highlighting the narcotic gambler..
Las Vegas man ( Stephen ) gambling habits revealed

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Published on 9 Oct 2017
He was a nocturnal creature who gambled all night and slept all day.

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ACTIVIST POST....


Media Pushes Narrative Vegas Gunman “Loved Conspiracy Theories,” Questioned 9/11

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By Matt Agorist

As police frantically continue to find a motive for the Las Vegas murderer,
both sides of the political spectrum — equally as frantic — search for anything
that ties him to their political foes. Now it appears that there is a new narrative
surfacing from multiple outlets that Stephen Paddock was a conspiracy theorist
who thought 9/11 was an inside job.

Rest assured, if police had any evidence linking this murderous psychopath to
an extreme right, extreme left, or terrorist group, this would’ve been made
public by now. We have seen an unprecedented length of time go by, not only
without surveillance footage but with no hints as to why Paddock shot into a
crowd of 22,000 innocent people. However, it looks like this may start to change.

According to the Daily Mail, a prostitute who Paddock hired repeatedly has allegedly
come forward with some rather nefarious claims.A Las Vegas prostitute who was
hired by murderer Stephen Paddock has spoken out about their ‘violent’ sex
sessions and how he bragged about having ‘bad blood’.The woman, who spoke
anonymously, said she would spend hours drinking and gambling in Sin City with
Paddock, who she described as ‘paranoid’ and ‘obsessive’.

If he hit a winning streak, he would take her back to his room for ‘really aggressive
and violent sex’ including living out rape fantasies, she said.

Read More....https://www.activistpost.com/2017/10/media-pushes-narrative-vegas-gunman-loved-conspiracy-theories-questioned-911.html

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I don't know if the vid in this article has already been posted ? if so ignore....


ACTIVIST POST....

New Video Emerges Raising Questions of Overlapping Gunfire at Las Vegas Concert

TOPICS:Las VegasRachel Blevins.
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October 9, 2017
By Rachel Blevins

A new video has emerged from the night of the Las Vegas shooting that appears to
show overlapping gunfire coming from multiple locations, which clearly contradicts
the mainstream narrative of what occurred on the night 59 people were killed and
over 500 were injured.

The video is under 3 minutes long and was filmed by an individual who appears to
be hiding near a gate during the shooting. While crowds of people can be seen
running from the area, the person filming the video is staying low to the ground
with a group of people who are encouraging others to take cover, instead of
running out into the open.

“No, we are NOT moving. Just stay down,” one girl says. “Don’t leave, just stay down!”

The first burst of gunfire can be heard at the 0:15 mark, followed almost
immediately by a second burst of gunfire that sounds distinctly different. The same
thing happens again at the 2:01 mark, with secondary gunfire beginning at the 2:06 mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBZMh19_Dws

Vid on link....below...

https://www.activistpost.com/2017/10/new-video-emerges-questions-overlapping-gunfire-las-vegas-concert.html


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Though this article does have parallels with the Pentagon camera farce ....
The baggage question has been debated,


Las Vegas Shooter Brought More Than 10 Suitcases Into The Hotel

Andrew Cheetham
3 hours ago Problem-Reaction-Solution

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ACTIVIST POST.....

Las Vegas Shooter Brought More Than 10 Suitcases Into The Hotel


By Jon Rappoport.... 9 Oct 2017

No problem.

Even the Washington Post (10/2) expresses puzzlement: “Among the questions
they [investigators] have: “…how he [Stephen Paddock] was able to bring it [a
weapon] and many other weapons into a Vegas hotel suite undetected.”

“[Las Vegas Sheriff] Lombardo said hotel staff had been in and out of the two-room
suite, which Paddock had stayed in since Sept. 28, and spotted nothing ‘nefarious,’
though he had more than 10 suitcases.”

I see. Ten suitcases. More than 10. How many? Fifteen?

Paddock, a high-stakes gambler the casinos know well, a man they know is a local
resident, suddenly shows up with 10 suitcases. Hotel staff are in and out of his
suite and no one has questions?

This raises no red flags?

In a city where the hotels and casinos have many layers of security, including metal
, Paddock quietly slipped in with more than 10 suitcases holding weapons and ammo?

The city of Las Vegas has shown up in ISIS chatter as a target of interest. Wouldn’t
that cause hotels and casinos to step up their already heavy security?

A year ago, KTNV reported: “’Terrorism is very much in the forefront of every
casino owner’s mind,’ said retired Lt. Randy Sutton, 13 Action News Crime and
Safety Expert.”

read more...https://www.activistpost.com/2017/10/las-vegas-shooter-brought-10-suitcases-hotel.html

[norman]

I've been away for over a week and have not read this whole thread.

I saw some TV of the first 2 days of the event and wondered why we are being bum rushed past the facts into agenda land.

As far as I know, the facts are that a lot of bullets were fired at the crowd from a window of a room where a dead body was found with a bullet hole in it.

Has there been a photo of that dead man shooting from the window, or are we left to assume it was actually him?

It could have been a professional shooter who did it and then left that man's body in the room. . . . could it not ?

[KiwiElf]

Hmmmmm... very dangerous assertion indeed; so now the alternative media and conspiracy theorists by implication, become [potential] terrorists? :facepalm:

[friamin]

If the official narrative remains that there is only one shooter than this is just further evidence of complicity among the media , FBI and the all other agencies involved as most here on Avalon already know from previous high profile incidents. The following video , to my untrained eye, is a good analysis of confirming a second and or possibly a third and fourth shooter. It would be easy to determine without this acoustic forensic analysis if there was in fact other shooters. All that has to be done is locate all the lodged bullets at the site to see which direction they had to be shot from. If there are bullets lodged in the back of the stage then the bullets came from straight on. If there are bullets lodged in the far corner close to the Luxor then they had to be shot from the opposite direction of Mandalay Bay or somewhere behind the stage from an elevated position. The FBI isn't stupid and have the resources and forensic knowledge to determine absolutely how many shooters were involved. If we aren't presented with this conclusive evidence (for or against multiple shooters) then even the most ardent statist would have to agree that we are once again being lied to and our reality is being manipulated. We all know that here and with each incident more people are waking up to this reality. I won't hold my breath on getting anything conclusive. Nothing to see here folks, keep shopping and keep those flags waving.
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[Noelle]

Robert Stanley's take on it.

http://unicusmagazine.com/Satanic_Sacrifice.htm

Scroll down a little to see the article.

Stanley is right about the concert being closer to Luxor than Mandalay. The Luxor Sky Beam is, according to Wikipedia, the "strongest beam of light in the world." I wonder if there was anything different about the beam the night of the shooting. The Criss Angel "Mind Freak" ("pretending to be Lucifer") show at Luxor is also an interesting potential dot. Was the massacre a Satanic sacrifice? Could it have been one item on the agenda?

[Cidersomerset]

As far as I know, the facts are that a lot of bullets were fired at the crowd from a window of a room where a dead body was found with a bullet hole in it.

Has there been a photo of that dead man shooting from the window, or are we left to assume it was actually him?

It could have been a professional shooter who did it and then left that man's body in the room. . . . could it not ?



That's basically where we still are , there are plenty of video analyst for other shooters
and speculation on agendas and motives of Paddock. Most concur this all stinks .....
Others have more technical details I have been concentrating on the bigger picture
and posting interesting related articles imo from both alternate and mainstream.

Obviously gun control is back in the spotlight, but also a clamp down on alternate
news on the web big and small , and how to increase security more airport type scanners
random searches etc...All the usual ingredients for control ' problem reaction sollution'
sleep walking us into the totalitarian tiptoe as someone we all know has been telling
us for decades.....

Actually Davids vid goes better here....I just listened to it again.

David Icke commenting on the attack a few days after , I think I posted it earlier in
the thread but more relevant now in the broader sense and agendas of the controllers...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkEs02-ciCA

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This was pointed out by Info wars journalist in # 424 above and is important ,
then the ABC news anchor quickly changes the narrative to 'mental health'...
Paddock fired 200 rounds at the security guard six minutes before the main
attack , he does not seem to be very good shot if he only wounded him..

Authorities change timeline of Las Vegas shooting

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Published on 10 Oct 2017
Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campo was shot by Stephen Paddock minutes
before the 64-year-old began shooting unsuspecting Route 91 Harvest Festival
concertgoers, authorities now say.

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Las Vegas police change concert shooting timeline

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Published on 10 Oct 2017
Authorities say Stephen Paddock shot a security guard 6 minutes before massacre
began; Dan Springer reports on the latest in the investigation.

[Tesseract]

If anyone has a link to a video of police being asked about the young woman who testified to the media that a distraught woman told everyone they were going to die, prior to the shooting, or any other update on this, please post.

[Hervé]

I've been away for over a week and have not read this whole thread.
[...]

It's always a good idea to get acquainted with the content of a thread :)


I saw some TV of the first 2 days of the event and wondered why we are being bum rushed past the facts into agenda land.

As far as I know, the facts are that a lot of bullets were fired at the crowd from a window of a room where a dead body was found with a bullet hole in it.
[...]... shows the MSM brainwashing/mass hypnosis is actually working :) because when one truly gets the importance of "No Broken Windows" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100040-Active-shooter-in-Las-Vegas-59-dead-527-injured&p=1183687&viewfull=1#post1183687) post massacre... it couldn't have been "him" nor anyone else on that "floor" nor any other floors.

See this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100040-Active-shooter-in-Las-Vegas-59-dead-527-injured&p=1184456&viewfull=1#post1184456) (<---) as well.

So, when narratives/theories/hypotheses are founded on a flawed premise... any of them can't help but be...

See Bill's view (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100040-Active-shooter-in-Las-Vegas-59-dead-527-injured&p=1183953&viewfull=1#post1183953) on the whole thing... and hopefully one'll quit getting bogged and lost in a quagmire of inconsistencies :)

[norman]

A few noted thoughts. A cover-up, for sure, and all kinds of aspects to this not being reported, or being denied by, the mainstream media.

Nothing surprising there — except that the big picture of what really happened is way too obvious not to be quickly understood by large numbers of people. Too many witnesses, too much video, too many anomalies, too many good unanswered questions.

Whoever orchestrated this would have been smart enough to know that's exactly how it would all play out soon after the incident.

I've not yet heard any commentators or analysts make that observation.

One potential result, that could well be desired and planned, is a divided nation. Further major incidents over the next couple of months, similarly shocking, confusing, controversial and deliberately misreported, might divide it more.

Then the coup de grâce would be taking out Trump, either physically or functionally. That would ignite the desired civil war.

If I'm anywhere near right, which I hope I'm not :) — and we may know soon enough — what we've seen in Las Vegas might just be the start of a well thought out strategic campaign that so far hasn't been careless or misplanned in any tiny way.



I've been away for over a week and have not read this whole thread.
[...]

It's always a good idea to get acquainted with the content of a thread :)


I saw some TV of the first 2 days of the event and wondered why we are being bum rushed past the facts into agenda land.

As far as I know, the facts are that a lot of bullets were fired at the crowd from a window of a room where a dead body was found with a bullet hole in it.
[...]... shows the MSM brainwashing/mass hypnosis is actually working :) because when one truly gets the importance of "No Broken Windows" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100040-Active-shooter-in-Las-Vegas-59-dead-527-injured&p=1183687&viewfull=1#post1183687) post massacre... it couldn't have been "him" nor anyone else on that "floor" nor any other floors.

See this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100040-Active-shooter-in-Las-Vegas-59-dead-527-injured&p=1184456&viewfull=1#post1184456) (<---) as well.

So, when narratives/theories/hypotheses are founded on a flawed premise... any of them can't help but be...

See Bill's view (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100040-Active-shooter-in-Las-Vegas-59-dead-527-injured&p=1183953&viewfull=1#post1183953) on the whole thing... and hopefully one'll quit getting bogged and lost in a quagmire of inconsistencies :)

Thank you very much for the direct points of reference in the thread Herve.

Bill's point about opening a division in the population has been bugging me a lot since 9/11. Such sloppiness that part of the population sees the fakery and the rest don't.

I've even wondered if this entire "truther movement" is all their own plan with multiple uses including the division.

[Hervé]

To add to my above post, some cogitation from Jon Rappoport:

Information mind control: directed confusion (https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2017/10/10/information-mind-control-directed-confusion/)

by Jon Rappoport (https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/author/jonrappoport/) Oct 10 (https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2017/10/10/information-mind-control-directed-confusion/), 2017

—When a person investigates a holy of holies where only truth is supposed to live, and when he offers evidence that the sacred inner sanctum is based on a lie, the public reaction of disbelief is based on Reference to Authority. “Well, all the experts couldn’t [be] wrong. That’s impossible.” The holier the lie, the more impossible is the truth—

In a recent article (https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2017/10/06/vegas-shooting-real-vs-fake/), I analyzed the Vegas shooting in terms of both real and fake incidents happening at the same time—and the (intentional) confusion and conflict that then plays out.

Now I want to go deeper.

People often get it wrong when they look at cause and effect.

I learned this lesson, in 1987-88, when I was writing my first book, AIDS INC., Scandal of the Century.

People were dying. They were dying in San Francisco and New York and Los Angeles and Africa and Haiti. There was no question about that. The effect was real and devastating.

So I blithely assumed the announced cause, HIV, was, in fact, the cause. It had to be.

If I questioned the cause, I would be questioning the truth of the effect, right?

Wrong.

It took me a while to see that. It took me many months of research.

In retrospect, what I did in my investigation was quite straightforward. At the time, it felt like I was walking through a jungle in the dark.

I examined each so-called “high-risk” group. These were groups the medical experts said were prone to “catching HIV” and developing AIDS.

I found that ALL the immune suppression (the hallmark of AIDS) in these groups could be explained by causes that had nothing to do with HIV. Depending on which group, there was: hunger, starvation, contaminated water supplies, toxic medical drugs, vast overuse of antibiotics, vast overuse of debilitating street drugs, repeated instances of debilitating standard sexually transmitted diseases (not AIDS), an experimental vaccine…

On top of that, when I went back to the original research on HIV, I discovered the prime researchers had failed to find and identify HIV in a sufficient percentage of diagnosed AIDS patients to claim the virus was the cause.

I discovered there was no reason to assume HIV was the cause of AIDS based on specific actions of the virus in the body. In other words, researchers couldn’t show the virus was doing anything. They just assumed it was wreaking havoc, and they kept changing their guesses about what it could be doing.

The effect (people dying) was real, but the purported cause (HIV) was unproven, and therefore, fake.

I spoke with many people who accepted HIV as the cause of AIDS BECAUSE so many people were dying. They made that equation. They made that unwarranted leap.

In the field of psychiatry (an obvious pseudoscience), the same thing happens. The effect is real: people have problems, they’re suffering, they’re in pain and confusion. The cause? Specific mental disorders.

Well, these disorders must be real because the effect is real, right?

Wrong.

There are many explanations for what people are experiencing and suffering. On the other hand, there are NO defining laboratory tests for diagnosing ANY so-called disorder in the official bible of the psychiatric profession. No blood tests, no saliva tests, no brain scans, no genetic assays. Nothing.

The effect is real, but the cause is unproven and therefore fake.

People make this cause-and-effect mistake in various fields all the time. Propagandists use this mistake to their own advantage in promoting false causes of events to forward agendas.

In schools, a proper study of cause and effect would make students independently brighter. But of course, that is not the normal goal of education. The goal is creating obedience. And eliciting specific responses to specific stimuli.

The bell rings, the dog salivates.

That’s a completely different version of cause and effect.

Jon Rappoport

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See the parallel with "Vegas"?

[ThePythonicCow]

Police officers stand at the scene of a shooting near the Mandalay Bay resort and casino on the Las Vegas Strip, Sunday, Oct. 1, 2017, in Las Vegas.
CapeCod.com 5472 × 3648 (https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/TIqMuJRe0kuqDXge3JCOEA--~B/aD0zNjQ4O3c9NTQ3MjtzbT0xO2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/http://media.zenfs.com/en/homerun/feed_manager_auto_publish_494/04679aa9be89f84c081441006d38daf2) (click on picture for High-rez Version)
As I did in this earlier post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100040-Active-shooter-in-Las-Vegas-59-dead-527-injured&p=1184521&viewfull=1#post1184521) with another image of the Mandalay taken the night of the shooting, after the shooting, I have again, below, cropped out the key part of the image, showing the windows that Haddock allegedly shot from:

http://thepythoniccow.us/cropped_markedup_second_supremelyweird.jpg
I have again marked where the two blown out windows are supposed to be, on the 32nd floor. The two horizontal lines mark the 32nd floor, and the two pairs of vertical lines each surround, above and below, the two windows that were supposedly blown out by the shooter.

Once again, I see a grey smudge in the lower half of the left window, and nothing in particular unusual in the right window.

[Hervé]

[[...]
... I see a grey smudge in the lower half of the left window, and nothing in particular unusual in the right window.
Right, similar grey smudges are seen on other windows as well.

The crucial point being: NO LIGHTS coming out of the "crime scene" that's supposed to be there and being actively investigated...

Yet, the pictures of said crime scene seems to indicate that curtains are being blown around from the - now - broken window in a well lit room.


https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/18B5/production/_98152360_insidepaddockroom976-nc.png

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-sVd9xUXzpC0/WdQp71GrpOI/AAAAAAABPtU/cYqBXkPu5GEje9-6lScOAjrt74Oc8O02wCJoC/w980-h869/image-251.jpg)
http://img.appledaily.com.tw/images/ReNews/20171006/420_81bf9255e87fa6940d34c62b5d6979c3.jpg
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-sVd9xUXzpC0/WdQp71GrpOI/AAAAAAABPtU/cYqBXkPu5GEje9-6lScOAjrt74Oc8O02wCJoC/w980-h869/image-251.jpg)(Click on picture for larger version)

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

That grey smudge could be the curtains billowing out, as seen in the image of the broken window in the day time shot. (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/10/02/15/44F5E52200000578-4939872-image-a-120_1506952972439.jpg) But like you say, it's very difficult to tell. In the other supposedly broken window, you can't really see anything at all.

[ThePythonicCow]

The crucial point being: NO LIGHTS coming out of the "crime scene" that's supposed to be there and being actively investigated...
Maybe Haddock did his shooting with the lights off in his room, the better to see outside?

Maybe the cops turned on the lights in the room after they rushed in?

Maybe these two external images that I marked up were taken before the cops rushed in, when the lights were still off?

(Not that I agree with the official story ... but just saying that these two external images that I marked up are not, from what I can see, conclusive proof that Haddock did no shooting from that 32nd story room.)

[mountain_jim]

The 29 minutes I invested in Mike Adams Forensic Acoustic proof of second shooter video was well worth the time - once again shows just how criminally negligent, politicized, and controlled our FBI is (and has been since Hoover days at least).

[Marikins]

The 29 minutes I invested in Mike Adams Forensic Acoustic proof of second shooter video was well worth the time - once again shows just how criminally negligent, politicized, and controlled our FBI is (and has been since Hoover days at least).

Mike Adams video (below) was excellent and probably right over the target since YouTube is suppressing comments.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxmEFeKy8aI

[Cidersomerset]

This was a ISIS attack ? Alex says his sources are telling him this is a
terrorist cover up. Could his sources be wrong ? Alex says possibly , but
the room looks more like a covert meeting gone wrong involving sleeper
cells or something on those lines.....gun runner , intel agent/courier ?
all still in the pot at this stage. The deaths are real , its a diversion.
summery of the vid below.....

INFO WARS : Cover Up Collapses, Police Admit Official Vegas Story Not True

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Published on 10 Oct 2017
Alex Jones exposes the lies coming out of the mainstream media that
they spew in order to cover up explosive details in the Las Vegas
massacre that could lead the public to a greater truth.

====================================================
====================================================

No difference according to Tulsa police Sgt. Sean Larkin

How does new timeline of Vegas attack impact investigation?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuaDLxw_x7A

Published on 10 Oct 2017...Fox News..
Las Vegas investigators now say Stephen Paddock shot a Mandalay Bay security
guard before opening fire on concert crowd; insight from Tulsa police Sgt. Sean
Larkin, analyst for the A&E reality show 'Live PD.'

===================================================

http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/3.21.31/orb/4/img/bbc-blocks-dark.png

Las Vegas shooting: Paddock 'shot guard before attack'

read more...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41564200

[Hervé]

...

https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intelligencer/2017/10/02/3-paddock-window.w710.h473.jpg




https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/news/world/2017/10/05/as-heart-wrenching-stories-of-victims-emerge-police-say-the-las-vegas-gunmans-motive-remains-elusive/mandalay.jpg.size-custom-crop.850x0.jpg


http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/las-vegas-shooting-broken-window-rd-jc-171004_12x5_992.jpg

http://cnnwire.images.worldnow.com/images/15064264_G.jpg
(http://cnnwire.images.worldnow.com/images/15064264_G.jpg)People are hunkered down at the Jason Aldean concert as a gunman opens fire on the crowd. (CNN (http://www.kitv.com/story/36498612/las-vegas-shooting-what-we-know))
(click on picture for larger version)
Lights!... no broken windows though...

[cursichella1]

From S.K. Bain's* blog on the occult aspects of the Las Vegas shooting:

Stephen Paddock: American Made (https://themostdangerousblogintheworld.wordpress.com)


*Occult researcher and author of The Most Dangerous Book in the World: 9/11 As Mass Ritual

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

http://cnnwire.images.worldnow.com/images/15064264_G.jpg
(http://cnnwire.images.worldnow.com/images/15064264_G.jpg)People are hunkered down at the Jason Aldean concert as a gunman opens fire on the crowd. (CNN (http://www.kitv.com/story/36498612/las-vegas-shooting-what-we-know))
(click on picture for larger version)
Lights!... no broken windows though...


Actually as best I can tell the 32nd floor is the (dark) one below the rows of illuminated windows. Jury's still out for me..

36247

[Hervé]

[...]
Actually as best I can tell the 32nd floor is the (dark) one below the rows of illuminated windows. Jury's still out for me..

36247
Excellent on spotting my mistake :)

However, I think the red highlighted floor is the 33rd one :):

taking 9 levels/floors from the top of the light columns, the 32nd floor is the ninth one, that's one more below the red-highlighted floor.

[uzn]

[CENTER]https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/18B5/production/_98152360_insidepaddockroom976-nc.png


And I still ask where are the 2000+ empty shells ?

[Cidersomerset]

This is a interesting interview going over much of the speculation , ISIS ,belt fed
machine gun, 3rd flag operation, gun running , controlled agent, money laundering
and other topics related to the shooting and Alex plays a couple short clips...

Former US Army Intelligence Officer Blasts FBI For Ruling Out ISIS In Vegas Attack

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Published on 10 Oct 2017
Former US Army Intelligence Officer, James Wesley Rawles, joins
Alex Jones live via Skype to break down new details surrounding
the Las Vegas attack and doubts statements made by the FBI.

====================================================

Info wars.....Various clips of interviews...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w5iZF14ugA

Published on 10 Oct 2017
There's a strange group of people standing in the open air at the Las Vegas concert
seemingly apathetic to the shots raining down around them.

====================================================

Roger Stone Debates: Was Las Vegas A Gun Run?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlMhSMPWr2U
Published on 10 Oct 2017
Roger Stone entertains the possibility of Vegas Being a botched government gun run.














.

[turiya]

WHY(?) was the timeline changed?.... possibly, because of the nerds on 4chan...

I would strongly agree about this being a radical act of terroism... but not by ISIS... Oh no!
This is nothing more than Operation Gladio in America - A scheme being performed by the Deep-State,
and specifically front-run & controlled by dark cabal-agents within the FBI... It is the FBI that is overseeing this operation...

Come on... Operation ISIS is on its last legs - its just about finished... regime change in Syria was a complete flop since Russia was invited into the region... the cabal is running on an empty tank... they are pulling out all the stops... to take down the Trump movement... and they are running out of time... which means they will be making more mistakes along the way...


How 4Chan is Exposing The
LIES About The Vegas Tragedy
(Oct 10, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubg8hOBmzkM___________________

CIA Las Vegas Shooting Investigation FBI
In GOD We TRUST U$A Fake Bureau of Investigation
(Oct 5, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsOghpmlmHc

[Cidersomerset]

WHY(?) was the timeline changed?.... possibly, because of the nerds on 4chan...


Many people felt this was not right from the 'getgo' , granted the alternate news outlets
and community spotted this straight away from previous events that have been studied
in hind sight. This is being questioned in realtime , both vids are good and James Corbett
hit the nail on the head and I've been waiting for his observations on this shooting.

It feels like a cover up and the ISIS/Antifa leak to Alex could be planting the meme
in case the first lone nut theory collapses , which it has been and they have a
plausible back up ? This could get shut down by a National security order or lost in
bigger global and domestic events that are brewing ? It depends as Alex claims, if
more info gets leaked from inside though he also said his sources had dried up a
bit. That could be they have been compromised or fear of being ,holding back or
have done their job to get the ISIS/Antifa leak out if they are playing Alex.ISIS did
claim responsibility early on to put it on record . The fact they are a spent force
does not stop the brand being used as many on the hill still think Russia is a
communist country as probably many others who do not follow and keep up to date
with how Putin is portrayed in the mainstream,and it would not surprise me if
Rachel Maddow does not come up with a Russia did it angel on this.

This feel more like something gone wrong , a deal of some kind as LA is a hub for
money laundering and other covert operations it seems...There is a lot going on
at the moment and PTB would have hoped the LA event would have been put
to bed by now neatly blamed on Paddock with or without a motive ultimately
painting him as a unstable lone nut which is not washing so far.

On a side note Trump invited Henry Kissinger to the WH and sang his praises.


Trump Talks Of 'Calm Before the Storm'
UHM !... Henry still looking for a 'New World Order'....Is Trump the latest in a long
line of Presidents to be ultimately controlled ?
"I'm here at a moment when the opportunity to build a constructive peaceful world
order is very great "
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100101-Trump-Talks-Of-Calm-Before-the-Storm&p=1184798&viewfull=1#post1184798

Henry Kissinger Orders Madman Theory For Donald Trump

o86r6S5Zzjk
Published on 10 Oct 2017
In this video, Luke Rudkowski of WeAreChange gives you the latest breaking news
on Henry Kissinger visiting the White House advising U.S President Donald Trump,
Angelina Jolie, Gwyneth Paltrow and others exposing corruption in the media
industry, the U.S.A Liberty act , LA timeline changes and of course a lot more.

Algorithm changes on U Tube...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agGex8R_xFk

[KiwiElf]

From S.K. Bain's* blog on the occult aspects of the Las Vegas shooting:

Stephen Paddock: American Made (https://themostdangerousblogintheworld.wordpress.com)


*Occult researcher and author of The Most Dangerous Book in the World: 9/11 As Mass Ritual

American Made indeed - just saw the Tom Cruise movie (true story) and couldn't help but notice the remarkable similarities. ;) Thank you, cursichella1

[turiya]

Trump Talks Of 'Calm Before the Storm'
UHM !... Henry still looking for a 'New World Order'....Is Trump the latest in a long
line of Presidents to be ultimately controlled ?
"I'm here at a moment when the opportunity to build a constructive peaceful world
order is very great "http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100101-Trump-Talks-Of-Calm-Before-the-Storm&p=1184798&viewfull=1#post1184798

Henry Kissinger Orders Madman Theory For Donald Trump

o86r6S5Zzjk
Published on 10 Oct 2017
In this video, Luke Rudkowski of WeAreChange gives you the latest breaking news
on Henry Kissinger visiting the White House advising U.S President Donald Trump,
Angelina Jolie, Gwyneth Paltrow and others exposing corruption in the media
industry, the U.S.A Liberty act , LA timeline changes and of course a lot more.

Algorithm changes on U Tube...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agGex8R_xFk

Talking about "Useless Eaters"...
I'm sorry, Cider, but I just can't find anything useful in anything that 'ambush-styled' journalist, Luke Rudouski, has to say, period. Luke uses his term "Madman Theory" in place of what Trump has been successfully known to use in his business negotiation dealings - 'Game Theory' (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_theory). Its also known as 'Playing the game of Chicken' in 'high stakes' negotiations (The Art of the Deal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump:_The_Art_of_the_Deal)), especially when it comes to the world stage. All other leaders of various governments use this 'game theory' in the negotiations with other countries. And, btw, this would make President Trump the best individual to be dealing with China & the madman in N.K. - because Trump knows how to play the game well.

As for Trump's meeting w/ Henry Kissinger...

Steve Bannon has also met with Kissinger recently:


World View: Steve Bannon and Henry Kissinger (http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/09/30/30-sep-17-world-view-steve-bannon-and-henry-kissinger-form-project-to-sound-alarm-on-china/)
Form Project to Sound Alarm on China (http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/09/30/30-sep-17-world-view-steve-bannon-and-henry-kissinger-form-project-to-sound-alarm-on-china/)
by John J. Xenakis (http://www.breitbart.com/author/john-j-xenakis/)
30 Sep 2017 https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xKH_dv4Hhro/WdBckqIJQTI/AAAAAAAAxM4/NbZhi-XXGnwBcveZdwJGqcR9OFKHUTdwgCLcBGAs/s640/Kissinger-Bannon-640x480.jpg
This, no doubt, has to do with the One Belt One Road Initiative (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Belt_One_Road_Initiative). According to the Breitbart article,


"Henry Kissinger, 94, was the Secretary of State in the administration of Richard Nixon whose “secret meeting” with China in 1971 permitted Nixon to “open China to the West” and invigorate US-China relations. As an international consultant, Kissinger has visited China more than 80 times since then. He is considered by many to be the most brilliant geopolitical strategist of our time. Most recently, Bannon met with Kissinger twice in September at Kissinger’s country home in Connecticut."According to an interview in Bloomberg Businessweek, Steve Bannon and Henry Kissinger have had several meetings and are preparing a project to sound the alarm about what Bannon views as the primary economic threat to America:

If we don’t get our situation sorted with China, we’ll be destroyed economically. The forced technology transfer of American innovation to China is the single biggest economic and business issue of our time. Until we sort that out, they will continue to appropriate our innovation to their own system and leave us as a colony — our Jamestown to their Great Britain, a tributary state.
Breitbart (http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/09/30/30-sep-17-world-view-steve-bannon-and-henry-kissinger-form-project-to-sound-alarm-on-china/)

[turiya]

EVIDENCE CONFIRMS: Soros Bought Puts On MGM Stock Prior to Mandalay Shooting (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=86090)

Posted on October 10, 2017 (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=86090)
by State of the Nation (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?author=1)
George Soros Investment Fund Bought “PUTS” on 1.35 Million MGM Stocks 60 or so Days BEFORE Attack at MGM Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas

Hal Turner Radio Show

In the Stock Market, a call is the right to buy. A put is the option to sell the underlying stock at a predetermined strike price until a fixed expiry date.

The put buyer has the right to sell shares at the strike price, and if he/she decides to sell, the put writer is obliged to buy at that price. When a person thinks a stock will go up significantly, he can buy a CALL, to lock-in a sale price. Conversely, when he thinks a stock will FALL in value, he can buy a “PUT”

So why did George Soros’ Investment Fund think – in August 2017, just 8 weeks or so before the Mandalay Bay Massacre — that the value of MGM Stock would FALL? Why did Soros Investments buy “PUTS” on 1,350,000 MGM Shares?
Did they know a mass murder was going to take place and tried to make money off it? Or did they ARRANGE the incident?
Filings by the Soros Investment Fund raise these questions, and I have the filings from the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) below:
Soros manages an investment fund that has to file quarterly statements with the SEC to disclose its positions.
On 8/14/2017, he filed an SEC Form “13f.” The one previous to that was filed on 5/15/2017. By looking at these two forms, we can see the changes made to the portfolio during that time.

When it comes to gambling stocks, Soros does not seem too interested, OTHER THAN IN MGM.
From the 5/15 Filing:

LVS (Las Vegas Sands, Sheldon Adelson’s casinos) – Soros owned 5,000 shares.
WYNN (Wynn Resorts, Steve Wynn’s casinos) – Soros owned 3,500 shares.
MGM – Soros held no position.

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http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/THE_FOURTH_TU/SOROS_INVESTMENT_FUND_MAY_2017.png (http://stateofthenation2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/SorosFundMay-2017-13F.jpg)

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(http://stateofthenation2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/LasVegasPUTOptionsOnMGMGrandCasino.jpg)http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/THE_FOURTH_TU/SOROS_SHORTS_1_35_MILLION_MGM_SHARES_2.png (http://stateofthenation2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/LasVegasPUTOptionsOnMGMGrandCasino.jpg)

SOURCE (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=86090)

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Definitive Gunfire From Mandalay Bay
— Must View VIDEO for the Skeptics—
Posted on October 10, 2017 (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=86097)
by State of the Nation (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?author=1)


VIDEO OF SECOND SHOOTER ON BODY-CAM?
UST WATCH! | Jason Asselin
(Oct 5, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFsFJ338Ms4
SOURCE: State of the Nation (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=86097)

[turiya]

And yet another Truth-Bomb....


THE HORRIFYING TRUTH YOU'RE NOT
BEING TOLD ABOUT THE VEGAS EVENT
(Oct 10, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fIq-YJERrc

[Noelle]

WHY(?) was the timeline changed?.... possibly, because of the nerds on 4chan...


Many people felt this was not right from the 'getgo' , granted the alternate news outlets
and community spotted this straight away from previous events that have been studied
in hind sight. This is being questioned in realtime , both vids are good and James Corbett
hit the nail on the head and I've been waiting for his observations on this shooting.

It feels like a cover up and the ISIS/Antifa leak to Alex could be planting the meme
in case the first lone nut theory collapses , which it has been and they have a
plausible back up ? This could get shut down by a National security order or lost in
bigger global and domestic events that are brewing ? It depends as Alex claims, if
more info gets leaked from inside though he also said his sources had dried up a
bit. That could be they have been compromised or fear of being ,holding back or
have done their job to get the ISIS/Antifa leak out if they are playing Alex.ISIS did
claim responsibility early on to put it on record . The fact they are a spent force
does not stop the brand being used as many on the hill still think Russia is a
communist country as probably many others who do not follow and keep up to date
with how Putin is portrayed in the mainstream,and it would not surprise me if
Rachel Maddow does not come up with a Russia did it angel on this.

This feel more like something gone wrong , a deal of some kind as LA is a hub for
money laundering and other covert operations it seems...There is a lot going on
at the moment and PTB would have hoped the LA event would have been put
to bed by now neatly blamed on Paddock with or without a motive ultimately
painting him as a unstable lone nut which is not washing so far.

On a side note Trump invited Henry Kissinger to the WH and sang his praises.


Trump Talks Of 'Calm Before the Storm'
UHM !... Henry still looking for a 'New World Order'....Is Trump the latest in a long
line of Presidents to be ultimately controlled ?
"I'm here at a moment when the opportunity to build a constructive peaceful world
order is very great "
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100101-Trump-Talks-Of-Calm-Before-the-Storm&p=1184798&viewfull=1#post1184798

Henry Kissinger Orders Madman Theory For Donald Trump

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Published on 10 Oct 2017
In this video, Luke Rudkowski of WeAreChange gives you the latest breaking news
on Henry Kissinger visiting the White House advising U.S President Donald Trump,
Angelina Jolie, Gwyneth Paltrow and others exposing corruption in the media
industry, the U.S.A Liberty act , LA timeline changes and of course a lot more.

Algorithm changes on U Tube...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agGex8R_xFk

Agreed. The narrative being supported by the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department-leaked information could be a ruse. Has the LVMPD source been identified or stepped out of the shadows?

[Cidersomerset]

Has the LVMPD source been identified or stepped out of the shadows?

Not that I have seen yet.......




And yet another Truth-Bomb....

Could be spot on the Israeli lobby is massive in the US to the point Israel is the
51st state. The UK Israel lobby is also effective, then behind the scenes they are
part of the powerful forces that control the Bankster's etc...

The neo con/dem's , zionists and other groups come into play. Is Las Vagas part of
bringing ISIS to the US , like in Europe ? Or a more covert link to intel groups gone
wrong. Many things come into play as in other incidents of this magnitude and
lone nut does not fit the bill and neither does Paddock fit thelabel and has looked
more like a Oswald so far however crazy the mainstream are portraying him as
posted earlier...

These incidents need time to settle for the normal false flag narrative to work as on
9/11 , 7/7 and others and the public has been on the ball with this on social media
and else where asking the questions in real time , putting the authorities on
the back foot. That's why they have been threatening U'tube google and others in
the on going Russiagate and war on terror commitees and are now pointing it at
those looking at Las Vagas.....U'tube are already clamping down on vids its been
reported and Congress is going after RT and other foreign news outlets...


VIDEO OF SECOND SHOOTER ON BODY-CAM?
UST WATCH! | Jason Asselin

That's not crisis acting.....

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By coincidence .....

New witness helps fill in the extra six minutes....

Hotel worker gives account of Vegas shooting

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Published on 11 Oct 2017
A hotel maintenance worker gives his account of what happened on the 32nd floor
of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, where Stephen Paddock fired on a crowd of
concert-goers.

longer version...
Las Vegas Shooter Stephen Paddock Warned Me ‘To Take Cover': MGM Maintenance Man | TODAY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khtcXWpetTQ

Published on 11 Oct 2017
Stephen Schuck, a building engineer at the Mandalay Bay Hotel, was on the 32nd
floor when the Las Vegas mass shooting began. He tells TODAY that he had been
called to check on an exit door and was walking down the hallway when “I started
to hear shots ring out” and Stephen Paddock “popped out and yelled at me to take
cover.” He adds “I am incredibly blessed that somehow I came out of there alive.”

[Cidersomerset]

I don't think these have been posted....

Health Ranger demands FBI stop lying about Las Vegas shooting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc6GcViB-Sk

Published on 7 Oct 2017
The FBI is clearly lying about the Las Vegas shooting, which is why Americans
increasingly don't trust the FBI and increasingly believe the agency is involved
in a massive criminal cover-up


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Las Vegas shooter was taking PSYCHIATRIC drugs!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vggzW3p8_1k

Published on 10 Oct 2017
Staphen Paddock, named as the Las Vegas massacre shooter, was taking psychiatric drugs.

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Official Story On Vegas Shooting Changed first 14 mins of vid below...

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Published on 10 Oct 2017

The narrative surrounding Las vegas has once again changed, and things are still
not adding up.

[TrumanCash]

Here's a video interview of Rene Downs who made a Facebook live video at the Bellagio hotel after the Harvest concert shootings in Las Vegas. Mrs. Downs said that the Bellagio shooting occurred around 11:15 in this interview. The Bellagio hotel was on lockdown after “shots came firing in through the front doors of the lobby” causing “mass chaos and a stampede.”


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lgVPRWBJE4

It probably is posted somewhere else but here is her video at the Bellagio hotel for those who haven't seen it:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m7X63stwf8

[Cidersomerset]

Any one can become an agent especially during war time and since the US
has been at war for much of the last and this century, National security can
cover a whole host of sins and secrets . Other countries have similar agencies...

5 People You Won’t Believe Worked For the CIA

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Published on 11 Oct 2017


TRANSCRIPT AND SOURCES: https://www.corbettreport.com/?p=24203

When you think of a CIA agent, you probably think of the Hollywood stereotypes:
a tall, athletic man in a black suit with dark sunglasses, walking around with one
hand on his gun and the other on his ear piece.

But that's stupid. Spies are meant to blend in, not stick out, and the best spies
are the ones you're least likely to expect. So I bet you never knew these people
were secretly working for the CIA...

[Eric J (Viking)]

This is David Wilcox latest... I copied the last part as some interesting bits about Paddock...something big about to happen...?



HOW DID THE SHOOTER BECOME A MULTI-MILLIONAIRE... REALLY?

Many insiders have reported that they work classified jobs that are "off the books" for years.

The Cabal makes its money from a variety of unsavory activities, including human trafficking, drug smuggling and illegal arms dealing.

Jobs like these, including "wet work" or assassinations and the smuggling of drugs, arms or humans, can pay ridiculously well, usually in cash.

A few jobs a year -- if that -- could easily make you into a multi-millionaire. If you have psychopathic characteristics, what would you then do with it?

Las Vegas has legal prostitution, lots of sights and sounds, and plenty of ways to gamble away money you don't really need.

It would be entirely consistent with insider testimonies I have heard for Paddock to explain away his wealth as him simply being a "professional gambler."


10/4: Las Vegas Shooter Was Unusually Wealthy
http://time.com/money/4969462/las-vegas-shooter-stephen-paddock-gambler-real-estate-guns/

Paddock had two planes, owned multiple homes, and regularly dropped tens of thousands of dollars in Vegas casinos, according to recent reports. His shocking collections of guns and ammunition alone may have cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. Paddock had two planes, owned multiple homes, and regularly dropped tens of thousands of dollars in Vegas casinos, according to recent reports. His shocking collections of guns and ammunition alone may have cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. Paddock had two planes, owned multiple homes, and regularly dropped tens of thousands of dollars in Vegas casinos, according to recent reports. His shocking collections of guns and ammunition alone may have cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Paddock had two planes, owned multiple homes, and regularly dropped tens of thousands of dollars in Vegas casinos, according to recent reports.

His shocking collections of guns and ammunition alone may have cost hundreds of thousands of dollars....

Paddock also appears to have been quite wealthy, which is unusual for mass shooters….

He owned two planes and was a licensed pilot, and owned homes in four states, according to the Washington Post.



His brother said that Stephen Paddock made some $2 million when the two sold their real estate business a few years ago.

And just before the massacre, he wired $100,000 to his girlfriend, Marilou Danley, in the Philippines, a transaction investigators are still attempting to explain.

NBC News reported that Paddock often gambled at least $10,000 a day in Las Vegas casinos, and sometimes upwards of $30,000 per day.

He reportedly gambled a total of at least $160,000 at Vegas casinos in the weeks before the mass shooting. It's unclear how much he won or lost over this time span....

“He’s a multimillionaire,” [Paddock's brother] Eric said, according to New York.

“He helped me become affluent, he made me wealthy.”



PADDOCK TOOK 20 DOCUMENTED CRUISES, INCLUDING TO THE MIDDLE EAST

Paddock's now well-documented extreme wealth could have been the result of ongoing pay he was receiving for doing various classified jobs.

If he was a smuggler of sensitive items, he would also need to be a trained assassin... so he could "take care" of anyone if a deal fell through.

Isn't it interesting, then, that the media revealed Paddock had taken twenty different cruises, on the books -- including to destinations in the Middle East?



10/6: Las Vegas Shooter Took 20 Cruises, Some to the Middle East
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/investigators-find-las-vegas-shooter-took-20-cruises-abroad-start-billboard-campaign-for-more-info/article/2636827

Investigators... found that [Paddock] took 20 cruises, some of which traveled to the Middle East or Europe.

The cruises included stops in Spain, Italy, Greece, Jordan, and the United Arab Emirates, a law enforcement official told CNN.

Marilou Danley, Paddock's girlfriend, joined him for nine of the cruises.

Other details about the trips, like when they took place and what cruise lines were involved, have not been revealed.

Even though the Islamic State claimed responsibility for the attack and that Paddock had converted to Islam, investigators have found no evidence to support those assertions.



JUST TO SUMMARIZE....

We now know the shooter worked for the biggest, most notorious military defense contractor in modern history -- Lockheed Martin.

As insiders will tell you, once you take on a job like this, you never really get out. Hence the saying, "the only way out is a bullet."

Paddock supposedly retired in 1988, and only then made money from real estate and thirty years of "professional gambling."

Yet, he had enough cash to blow thirty thousand dollars a day without even batting an eye.

His behavior shows clear examples of mind-control symptoms. Normal people do not scream "Oh My God" night after night in bed.

His travel easily fits the profile of someone who was covertly working as a smuggler for what we are calling the Cabal.

He would also have been through extensive security training and surveillance, and therefore wouldn't have dared tell his family anything.

His girlfriend might not have known a thing about his "double life" either. If you are caught saying one word, you will get a "sit-down" -- if not far worse.



THERE COULD EASILY BE CO-CONSPIRATORS

All of this makes it much easier to believe that Paddock could have worked with several co-conspirators, as the independent research suggests.

In fact, he may have even been promised a safe exit, such as through a special elevator -- and possibly believed someone else would take the fall.

Given how crazy these insider stories can get, it is even possible that his alleged suicide could have been a murder.

Someone else may have been there with him, as his room service bill showed, and then killed him and arranged it to look like a suicide once he did his part.

His supposed "suicide note" turned out to be a piece of paper where he was calculating the trajectories of his weapons for maximum effectiveness.

This definitely suggests that he had been through advanced military-type training on the use of firearms.

This is standard fare for people who receive covert training from defense contractors and / or intelligence agencies.

Therefore, if someone in the Shadow Government wanted to use a programmed individual as the face of a complex operation, Stephen Paddock fits the bill.

Full article here

https://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1220-vegas-meta-analysis

Viking

[KiwiElf]

Part 4 is where it gets really interesting...

[ThePythonicCow]

Jim Stone's latest take on this, currently near the top of his page http://jimstone.is, sounds about right to me. It includes a link to a disheartening video that someone apparently took on their smartphone, while in the midst of the crowd being shot at and running to get away.

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REAL VICTIMS OF SHOOTING NEVER INTERVIEWED, FAKES SWAPPED IN AT FAKE HOSPITAL

Paul Craig Roberts posted a letter from a military surgeon that specialized in treating gunshot wounds. This surgeon remarked about how the patients in the hospital videos were obviously not shot. The people in the "hospital videos" probably were indeed not shot. But they were most likely never at the concert at all because it was a fake hospital video. Most likely, the people who were actually shot were never interviewed by the press because they would interfere with the official story. What would be worse than having a real witness of the event get on camera and blow it for the FBI?

After finding a totally obscure video that shows it all clearly, I now affirmatively know the shooting was real, and that everything I said about real people being left to die overnight is accurate. I found a perfectly clear video of the shooting in progress, a video that was buried up until this point. I also now affirmatively know that the media never interviewed real victims, they interviewed actors who were complicit in the shooting that would not spill the beans on the official story

This video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2PILzKomiw) clearly proves the gunfire originated on site, and not from far away. It clearly proves there is blood everywhere, because it did not rain yet the pavement has huge wet areas. It clearly shows an unconcious girl with a huge head wound dripping blood on the pavement as people try to get her to safety. Keep in mind that at night a camera is not going to make blood show red on black pavement. Blood color is so close to black from an actual light absorption perspective that cameras just cant discern the color at night, especially a cell phone.

The doctor that sent the letter to Paul Craig Roberts (https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/10/09/military-surgeon-says-videos-las-vegas-gunshot-victims-fake/) was probably being honest, and giving an honest reaction to what was obviously actors in a fake hospital video. But what he most likely did not know was that the media was most likely interviewing fake people from a fake hospital location, all the while real victims were never spoken to. They won't be spoken to, because they would spill the beans. The video clearly shows the people know where the gun shots are coming from, and are trying to make a strategic exit without getting shot themselves. If all the people in the hospital videos were cheery and leaving within days, they CLEARLY, CLEARLY were not the people in this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2PILzKomiw).

THIS VIDEO IS SO TELLING THAT IT WILL NOT COME UP IN SEARCH RESULTS. It is obvious all the hits are from people linking into it that happened to have known about it, I tried searching for it by its exact title and Youtube would absolutely not allow it to show up.

============

Here is the above (twice) linked Youtube video (for as long as Youtube allows it to stay up; let me know if this link goes dead and I'll look for alternatives):

Warning - some will find this video too gruesome:
u2PILzKomiw

The letter to Paul Craig Roberts (https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/10/09/military-surgeon-says-videos-las-vegas-gunshot-victims-fake/) linked above is a letter from a surgeon experienced in treating gun shot wounds from military assault rifles. The letter is entitled "Military Surgeon Says Videos of Las Vegas Gunshot Victims Are Fake". In the letter, the surgeon goes on to describe the devastation that such a gun shot wound causes, even in an arm or a leg. The surgeon is certain that the interviews he's seen of "victims" a few days after the shooting are fake ... the "victims" are way too healthy, with no signs of such recent dramatic, life threatening, trauma that at best takes months to recover from.

Between the above linked video, which seems to show real victims, live, at the time of the shootings, and follow on fake interviews, Jim Stone concludes that real people were shot, but actors were interviewed. Stone figures that "they" don't want real victims interviewed, as that would leak out more details of what actually happened (a massacre at closer range.)

I agree with Jim Stone on this.

[Satori]

Jim Stone's latest take on this, currently near the top of his page http://jimstone.is, sounds about right to me. It includes a link to a disheartening video that someone apparently took on their smartphone, while in the midst of the crowd being shot at and running to get away.

============

REAL VICTIMS OF SHOOTING NEVER INTERVIEWED, FAKES SWAPPED IN AT FAKE HOSPITAL

Paul Craig Roberts posted a letter from a military surgeon that specialized in treating gunshot wounds. This surgeon remarked about how the patients in the hospital videos were obviously not shot. The people in the "hospital videos" probably were indeed not shot. But they were most likely never at the concert at all because it was a fake hospital video. Most likely, the people who were actually shot were never interviewed by the press because they would interfere with the official story. What would be worse than having a real witness of the event get on camera and blow it for the FBI?

After finding a totally obscure video that shows it all clearly, I now affirmatively know the shooting was real, and that everything I said about real people being left to die overnight is accurate. I found a perfectly clear video of the shooting in progress, a video that was buried up until this point. I also now affirmatively know that the media never interviewed real victims, they interviewed actors who were complicit in the shooting that would not spill the beans on the official story

This video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2PILzKomiw) clearly proves the gunfire originated on site, and not from far away. It clearly proves there is blood everywhere, because it did not rain yet the pavement has huge wet areas. It clearly shows an unconcious girl with a huge head wound dripping blood on the pavement as people try to get her to safety. Keep in mind that at night a camera is not going to make blood show red on black pavement. Blood color is so close to black from an actual light absorption perspective that cameras just cant discern the color at night, especially a cell phone.

The doctor that sent the letter to Paul Craig Roberts (https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/10/09/military-surgeon-says-videos-las-vegas-gunshot-victims-fake/) was probably being honest, and giving an honest reaction to what was obviously actors in a fake hospital video. But what he most likely did not know was that the media was most likely interviewing fake people from a fake hospital location, all the while real victims were never spoken to. They won't be spoken to, because they would spill the beans. The video clearly shows the people know where the gun shots are coming from, and are trying to make a strategic exit without getting shot themselves. If all the people in the hospital videos were cheery and leaving within days, they CLEARLY, CLEARLY were not the people in this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2PILzKomiw).

THIS VIDEO IS SO TELLING THAT IT WILL NOT COME UP IN SEARCH RESULTS. It is obvious all the hits are from people linking into it that happened to have known about it, I tried searching for it by its exact title and Youtube would absolutely not allow it to show up.

============

Here is the above (twice) linked Youtube video (for as long as Youtube allows it to stay up; let me know if this link goes dead and I'll look for alternatives):

Warning - some will find this video too gruesome:
u2PILzKomiw

The letter to Paul Craig Roberts (https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/10/09/military-surgeon-says-videos-las-vegas-gunshot-victims-fake/) linked above is a letter from a surgeon experienced in treating gun shot wounds from military assault rifles. The letter is entitled "Military Surgeon Says Videos of Las Vegas Gunshot Victims Are Fake". In the letter, the surgeon goes on to describe the devastation that such a gun shot wound causes, even in an arm or a leg. The surgeon is certain that the interviews he's seen of "victims" a few days after the shooting are fake ... the "victims" are way too healthy, with no signs of such recent dramatic, life threatening, trauma that at best takes months to recover from.

Between the above linked video, which seems to show real victims, live, at the time of the shootings, and follow on fake interviews, Jim Stone concludes that real people were shot, but actors were interviewed. Stone figures that "they" don't want real victims interviewed, as that would leak out more details of what actually happened (a massacre at closer range.)

I agree with Jim Stone on this.

This goes back to the point made by Jon Rappoport in one of his recent blogs; this event was/is both real and fake. His assessment on this is consistent with my initial impressions.

ADD. I know I'm preaching to the choir here with most of you, but a very significant and overarching point is this: do not believe word one of what comes out of the mouths of our so-called elected, selected, and appointed "leaders" and "officials." Their primary purpose in the offices and positions they hold is to deceive. The reason for this is so that their handlers can obtain and maintain plenary power and control over all they survey. This is all consistent with and in furtherance of the Fabianist philosophy and motto of: "Forging the world nearer to the hearts desire."

[ThePythonicCow]

Continuing the analysis, and now relying on Miles Mathis' latest paper, Las Vegas Hoax. Another multi-layer melange of impossibilities and planted liars (pdf) (http://mileswmathis.com/lasveg.pdf), it seems as plain as day now that several of the early dramatic images that we saw of people trying to escape the gun fire were staged.

Consider (as Miles does) the following image:

http://thepythoniccow.us/Vegas_fake_crowd_Original.jpg
Compare this image with the (gruesome) video in my previous post.

The lighting in the foreground in this image is all wrong - late in the afternoon, not night time.

The mood of the people is all wrong, way too calm and complacent for being on just the other side of a low, thin, mesh fence from life threatening automatic gun fire.

This image, and others showing some of the same people were staged.

There was, I am convinced, a real, murderous, harvest, for multiple motives and there was and continues to be really fake, conflicting, changing stories that we're told, by the minions, actors, media, and other witting or otherwise accomplices of some seriously evil beings.

[Noelle]

Continuing the analysis, and now relying on Miles Mathis' latest paper, Las Vegas Hoax. Another multi-layer melange of impossibilities and planted liars (pdf) (http://mileswmathis.com/lasveg.pdf), it seems as plain as day now that several of the early dramatic images that we saw of people trying to escape the gun fire were staged.

Consider (as Miles does) the following image:

http://thepythoniccow.us/Vegas_fake_crowd_Original.jpg
Compare this image with the (gruesome) video in my previous post.

The lighting in the foreground in this image is all wrong - late in the afternoon, not night time.

The mood of the people is all wrong, way too calm and complacent for being on just the other side of a low, thin, mesh fence from life threatening automatic gun fire.

This image, and others showing some of the same people were staged.

There was, I am convinced, a real, murderous, harvest, for multiple motives and there was and continues to be really fake, conflicting, changing stories that we're told, by the minions, actors, media, and other witting or otherwise accomplices of some seriously evil beings.

That photo has really made the rounds in the MSM. Anyone know who took it or what time it was taken? It looks professional, as opposed to an iPhone snapshot. Getty Images appears in the credits for it on BBC.

[ThePythonicCow]

That photo has really made the rounds in the MSM. Anyone know who took it or what time it was taken? It looks professional, as opposed to an iPhone snapshot. Getty Images appears in the credits for it on BBC.
I found the copy that I posted at http://fox13now.com/2017/10/05/something-went-incredibly-wrong-with-las-vegas-gunman-brother-says/

You see a smaller version on that page, but behind (URL visible in the web page's source code) is a larger 4000x2668 file, which I shrunk down to 800x534 to post above.

I don't know where fox13now.com (the Salt Lake City Fox News channel) got the image.

[turiya]

That photo has really made the rounds in the MSM. Anyone know who took it or what time it was taken? It looks professional, as opposed to an iPhone snapshot. Getty Images appears in the credits for it on BBC.
I found the copy that I posted at http://fox13now.com/2017/10/05/something-went-incredibly-wrong-with-las-vegas-gunman-brother-says/

You see a smaller version on that page, but behind (URL visible in the web page's source code) is a larger 4000x2668 file, which I shrunk down to 800x534 to post above.

I don't know where fox13now.com (the Salt Lake City Fox News channel) got the image.





Source: David Becker/Getty Images News/Getty Images (https://www.bustle.com/p/photos-of-the-las-vegas-shooting-are-horrifying-2742706)

Photo with credit: https://www.bustle.com/p/photos-of-the-las-vegas-shooting-are-horrifying-2742706

[Hervé]

I suspect that foreground to be under a strong spotlight rather than a late afternoon shot:


http://static.lakana.com/nxsglobal/mywabashvalley/photo/2017/10/02/vegas%20shooting%202_1506967945468_27127977_ver1.0_640_360.jpg
(http://www.shared.com/content/images/2017/10/vegas-shooting-8-2000.jpg)(click picture for larger version) [David Becker/Getty Images]
Another high rez here (http://www.shared.com/content/images/2017/10/vegas-shooting-8-2000.jpg) (<---)


http://www.nepaltalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/40772801_303.jpg


http://www.espn580orlando.com/rf/image_lowres/Pub/p8/CmgSharedContent/2017/10/02/Images/GettyImages-856490676_master.jpg



https://ronethelightnc2.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/15069337860501.jpg?w=1024&quality=80&strip=all&h=721

[Tesseract]

MGM are now saying, publicly, the police's latest timeline is wrong. Interesting that they made this public before sorting things out with the police. Very embarrassing for Lombardo if true. Good chance he will be removed/demoted from the investigation. It's been more than a week, I can't explain why they can't even work out the timeline properly. Will wait for an explanation.

[Noelle]

That photo has really made the rounds in the MSM. Anyone know who took it or what time it was taken? It looks professional, as opposed to an iPhone snapshot. Getty Images appears in the credits for it on BBC.
I found the copy that I posted at http://fox13now.com/2017/10/05/something-went-incredibly-wrong-with-las-vegas-gunman-brother-says/

You see a smaller version on that page, but behind (URL visible in the web page's source code) is a larger 4000x2668 file, which I shrunk down to 800x534 to post above.

I don't know where fox13now.com (the Salt Lake City Fox News channel) got the image.





Source: David Becker/Getty Images News/Getty Images (https://www.bustle.com/p/photos-of-the-las-vegas-shooting-are-horrifying-2742706)

Website (http://www.gettyimages.com/event/mass-shooting-at-mandalay-bay-in-las-vegas-leaves-at-least-50-dead-775052817#las-vegas-police-investigate-a-side-street-near-the-las-vegas-village-picture-id856719904)


[SORRY -- Repeated your find]

Becker is a professional photographer:

Getty Images work (http://www.gettyimages.com/photos/david-becker?excludenudity=true&sort=mostpopular&mediatype=photography&phrase=david%20becker&family=editorial)

Probably his website (http://www.davidbeckerphotography.com/).

[ThePythonicCow]

I suspect that foreground to be under a strong spotlight rather than a late afternoon shot:
Now I'm suspecting you're right, Hervé.

There is a rather sharp contrast between how bright the lighting is on one side of everyone, and how sharp and dark are the shadows on the other side. This suggests primarily a single source of light, not a lit blue sky providing light from all directions.

[Tesseract]

Couple more updates:

1) No sign of a brain tumour or other anomaly was found during the autopsy of Stephen Paddock
2) Stephen Paddock's house in Reno was broken into on the weekend, the intruder has not been caught.

Next press conference is gonna be interesting.

[Marikins]

Scott Binsack said there were multiple shooters, that 32nd floor maid staff was told not to come in that day, that staff cleaning room saw absolutely nothing untoward in Paddock’s room up through Oct 1, that all other hotel gunfire was simulated to divert police response and that all hotels were on automatic lockdown. Exception to no other shootings is New York New York that had an active shooter, and police were looking for an Hispanic male shooter.
FyseVdsGyv0

[Tintin]

THIS VIDEO IS SO TELLING THAT IT WILL NOT COME UP IN SEARCH RESULTS. It is obvious all the hits are from people linking into it that happened to have known about it, I tried searching for it by its exact title and Youtube would absolutely not allow it to show up.
[/INDENT][/INDENT]============

Warning - some will find this video too gruesome:
u2PILzKomiw




Many thanks for this Paul. An excellent piece. Yes, the video is the rawest I've seen so far, for sure. That sure isn't crisis acting in that vid.
Here's the mp4 if folks want to help themselves, in the event it is removed [Paul: I'm attempting to upload this mp4 but it's either taking an age or at 31mb may be too large? Please advise. Thanks. TQ]






From Bill: uploaded in 720p resolution to the Avalon Library. I do have most of the other important vids archived as well, if need be.


http://avalonlibrary.net/Las_Vegas_Route_91_shooting.mp4 (http://avalonlibrary.net/Las_Vegas_Route_91_shooting.mp4)

[Joe from the Carolinas]

Why in the world would the guys working lights turn the entire house UP during the shooting, then turn them off when People were trying to help the allegedly wounded? To light up the targets?

[Tintin]

Thanks very much Bill, that's great.

[Cidersomerset]

Former ATF Arms Dealer: Vegas Shooter Acted Like A Gunrunner

yovRma-f7F4

Published on 11 Oct 2017

A former gun runner recounts his experience with conducting operations at the
command of the US government.


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A couple of news items from yesterday interesting Paddocks house was broken into,
autopsy report says his brain was normal , sounds like someone is trying to cover
their tracks and impede the investigation as speculated & suspected....

Have Las Vegas police botched the massacre investigation?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaIVpNC9Tg0
Published on 11 Oct 2017
From a revised timeline to revelations that the gunman was allowed to use a hotel
freight elevator to apparently transport his arsenal, is it fair to blame police for lack
of progress in the investigation? #Tucker

====================================================

Police Investigate Whether Word Of Las Vegas Shooting Was Delayed | NBC Nightly News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7W-VwEH1YA

Published on 11 Oct 2017
In a new account from the night of the massacre, a hotel engineer describes the
panicked call he made for

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Vegas Shooter Used Hotel Freight Elevator, His Reno Home Was Broken Into
Andrew Cheetham...D.Icke.com

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/all/themes/zero_hedge/images/logo_full.svg

Vegas Shooter Used Hotel Freight Elevator, His Reno Home Was Broken Into

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-11/las-vegas-shooter-fired-special-incendiary-bullets-jet-fuel-tank

[Humanbean]

Why in the world would the guys working lights turn the entire house UP during the shooting, then turn them off when People were trying to help the allegedly wounded? To light up the targets?

I suspect that in the first instance emergency protocol set in: If you're a lighting op, in an emergency you turn all the lights on full and if you have moving lights, which they did, you aim them at the audience in order to help them see to evacuate. When it became trully apparant what was happening someone probably took the decision to turn them off. The Lighting OP would have been at the back of the auditorium, any number of people/security were probably screaming at him to cut the lights once they realised they were targets.

[Hervé]

Look what Jim Stone (http://82.221.129.208/.zw4.html) found buried into Mike Adams' "Dirt Mounds" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100040-Active-shooter-in-Las-Vegas-59-dead-527-injured&p=1184750&viewfull=1#post1184750):
HUGE TWIST: (http://82.221.129.208/.zw4.html)

Mike Adams bullet trajectory analysis, when pegged down to a specific location, matches the abandoned Skyvue towers perfectly.


http://82.221.129.208/skyvue.jpg


The skyvue towers are what is left of an abandoned Ferris wheel project that started five years ago. They are the supports that were supposed to hold the wheel. For whatever reason it was not deemed econimically viable and they abandoned it.

The towers stand 200 feet tall, and have mechanical access doors and an interior stairwell inside of them for providing service access to the Ferris wheel hub.

VERY IMPORTANT: Trolls are trolling the towers badly, and I always use troll behavior to gauge the validity of a topic. Trolls are doing everything they can to divert the public away from these towers. These towers are so close to the concert that they are considered to be at near point blank range for a basic 5.56 round (not even an updated boosted one.) Their much closer proximity to the concert would explain why the gunfire was so loud. Their position also would explain why people in the videos appear to have had temporary shelter in front of the stage until gunmen opened fire from other angles. Their position also would explain why the performers and people back stage said they first became aware of the shooting when bullets started hitting the roof of the stage.

Trolls are preying on ignorance, hoping people can't get a concert perspective on how the towers were actually positioned, and are then saying the towers were not tall enough to give a shooter a vantage point to see the crowd from behind or above the stage (gee, that sounds familiar, I said right in the beginning the shots probably came from above the stage).

Trolls are calling the towers "mounds of dirt", torn down, full of rebar (so no one could shoot from them) and all other manners of lies about them, and I can probably guess why. The answer is obvious, and now trolls are not going to be able to bury these towers because I hunted down a perfect perspective of where they are and posted it here, (above and below) which pretty much means the end of their work on this.


http://82.221.129.208/skyview.jpg


IMPORTANT: People posted to social media that the police had the entire area around the towers completely sealed off after the shooting. Obviously it would be to make sure all evidence of shooting from the towers was cleaned up perfectly, with no one to witness the cleanup, let alone wander into the area later (which only has a mundane chain link fence surrounding it) and finding proof part of the shooting happened from there.

Obviously since the shooting was a deep state op, all the shooters had to do when they finished is call it miller time and wait while the situation on the ground below cooled off. After that, it was a short walk to an industrial area to the south west of the towers and into the airport for an easy getaway.

Let's force Google to do good for once.
Click the screen grab below to go straight to the scene and "walk around" yourself. The Mandalay, as a shooting location, is laughable by comparison.


http://82.221.129.208/groundzeroshooting.jpg (https://www.google.com.mx/maps/@36.0936295,-115.1711687,3a,75y,274.12h,118.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1uW6TOwNkO2C8FWgD0z_JA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

[Noelle]

THIS VIDEO IS SO TELLING THAT IT WILL NOT COME UP IN SEARCH RESULTS. It is obvious all the hits are from people linking into it that happened to have known about it, I tried searching for it by its exact title and Youtube would absolutely not allow it to show up.
[/INDENT][/INDENT]============

Warning - some will find this video too gruesome:
u2PILzKomiw




Many thanks for this Paul. An excellent piece. Yes, the video is the rawest I've seen so far, for sure. That sure isn't crisis acting in that vid.
Here's the mp4 if folks want to help themselves, in the event it is removed [Paul: I'm attempting to upload this mp4 but it's either taking an age or at 31mb may be too large? Please advise. Thanks. TQ]






From Bill: uploaded in 720p resolution to the Avalon Library. I do have most of the other important vids archived as well, if need be.


http://avalonlibrary.net/Las_Vegas_Route_91_shooting.mp4 (http://avalonlibrary.net/Las_Vegas_Route_91_shooting.mp4)



I know. I am sounding like a broken record. But people recording videos rather than running or helping others confounds me. Did that happen at the Orlando Pulse shooting and other massacres?

[Tintin]

[QUOTE=Paul;1184979]

[/I]



From Bill: uploaded in 720p resolution to the Avalon Library. I do have most of the other important vids archived as well, if need be.


http://avalonlibrary.net/Las_Vegas_Route_91_shooting.mp4 (http://avalonlibrary.net/Las_Vegas_Route_91_shooting.mp4)



I know. I am sounding like a broken record. But people recording videos rather than running or helping others confounds me. Did that happen at the Orlando Pulse shooting and other massacres?

I'm with you LadyM. Truly, I kinda feel similarly pretty gobsmacked at that myself.

As I said here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100040-Active-shooter-in-Las-Vegas-59-dead-527-injured&p=1184704&viewfull=1#post1184704

maybe it's symptomatic of the times we are in.

[Marikins]

Between the above linked video, which seems to show real victims, live, at the time of the shootings, and follow on fake interviews, Jim Stone concludes that real people were shot, but actors were interviewed. Stone figures that "they" don't want real victims interviewed, as that would leak out more details of what actually happened (a massacre at closer range.)

I agree with Jim Stone on this.

Yes, I agree, Paul, this is the case. I really have to wonder about those who choose to go along with these monsters, but maybe they have seen the monsters close up and have reason to comply.

[Gaia]

GoFundMe campaign started by Las Vegas's county, which has already raised more than US$9 million, though it does not specify how much, if any, will go to Canadians.

Name of the Canadians victim :

Tara Roe

http://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/husband-and-parents-of-okotoks-resident-tara-roe-release-statements-on-las-vegas-shooting-649837773.html


Jordan McIldoon the day after the shooting his girlfriend was Heather Gooze and now it's Amber Vanderpol ???

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/4-canadians-among-dozens-killed-in-las-vegas-mass-shooting-1.4316485

Jessica Klymchuk

http://edmontonjournal.com/news/local-news/almost-beyond-comprehension-alberta-woman-killed-in-las-vegas-mass-shooting


Since last week I have been working on these cases ... According to my research several seem to have false Facebook profiles. The media here have stopped reporting with these alleged victims since 3 October. Some newspapers here reported that there were 4 victims I still seek the fourth victim. In addition I present to you my Canadian star Braden Matejka who supposedly received a ball in the back of his head its objective is to collect $ 25,000 with GoFundMe.

This video is a must to see!!!

https://globalnews.ca/news/3786193/b-c-man-survives-bullet-in-back-of-the-head-during-las-vegas-shooting/

and Jan Lambourne

https://globalnews.ca/news/3787207/manitoba-woman-shot-in-las-vegas-has-emotional-reunion-with-bartender-who-helped-saver-her/?utm_source=Article&utm_medium=Outbrain&utm_campaign=2015

[TrumanCash]

I mentioned the "twin towers" five days ago here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100040-Active-shooter-in-Las-Vegas-59-dead-527-injured&p=1184189&viewfull=1#post1184189) after I had looked around the area with google maps. I could see that this would have been a good place for a shooter (though I have no expertise on this subject).

At the time I did not know the towers were hollow with a stairwell or ladder to the top. I haven't seen any muzzle flashes coming from those towers in any video yet. However, the vertical rebar at the top appears to be sufficient to hide a shooter(s) and perhaps also to limit visibility of muzzle flashes.

Marikins previously posted the video below which covers the "towers" at 17:30 on the video. Scott Binsack went to the area and photographed the "towers" (ferris wheel pedestals) and said they were hollow and his pictures show an entrance at ground level. He said that this area was closed off by police and there were ladders in the "towers". He also indicated later in the video that there were small windows in the "towers".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyseVdsGyv0

[ThePythonicCow]

Here are a couple more anomalies that I noticed in my readings yesterday, that I don't recall seeing posted on this thread:

"They" claimed to know the exact number of dead early on, having barely cleaned up site of the shooting ... fifty something. That number has not changed since, that I am aware of. This despite over five hundred allegedly wounded victims, a number also known early (too early) on. Not all victims of high powered automatic weapons fire survive. If the original numbers were accurate, then the number of dead would still be climbing now.
The thousands of rounds of spent brass from the shells that it would have taken to wound or kill that many people, if shooting from Paddock's lair on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay, would have created major burns on the carpet. We've seen neither the piles of spent brass, nor the burnt carpet, rather just a few spent brass sitting on top of still good carpet (and a couple of rounds on top of the blood claimed to be from Paddock's self-inflicted head shot.)

[TrumanCash]

And there would also be spent brass in the concert area if it is true that there were shooters there as well.

[Satori]

Here are a couple more anomalies that I noticed in my readings yesterday, that I don't recall seeing posted on this thread:

"They" claimed to know the exact number of dead early on, having barely cleaned up site of the shooting ... fifty something. That number has not changed since, that I am aware of. This despite over five hundred allegedly wounded victims, a number also known early (too early) on. Not all victims of high powered automatic weapons fire survive. If the original numbers were accurate, then the number of dead would still be climbing now.
The thousands of rounds of spent brass from the shells that it would have taken to wound or kill that many people, if shooting from Haddock's lair on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay, would have created major burns on the carpet. We've seen neither the piles of spent brass, nor the burnt carpet, rather just a few spent brass sitting on top of still good carpet (and a couple of rounds on top of the blood claimed to be from Haddock's self-inflicted head shot.)


Paul,

I'm curious. When you say "Haddock" instead of "Paddock" are you making a point? Like he, Paddock, was had. Thus, "Haddock."

[Gaia]

A witness of the masacre who is a Canadian still hospitalized in Las Vegas. Said he took refuge under the medic tent and he saw at least 20 gunshot victims inside ...

Timeline of his story here :

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/steve-arruda-las-vegas-paddock-shooting-1.4328746

In another subject here the entire 4Chan exchange with John :

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/141096258/#q141100963
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/141096258/#q141102703
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/141096258/#q141104921


Those kids genius on 4Chan ahha look at the patsy

http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1506972950542.png

https://pamelageller.com/2017/10/evidence-las-vegas-attacker-anti-trump-protest.html/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=gplus

http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1506980589971.jpg

[turiya]

Jim Stone's latest take on this, currently near the top of his page http://jimstone.is, sounds about right to me. It includes a link to a disheartening video that someone apparently took on their smartphone, while in the midst of the crowd being shot at and running to get away.

============

REAL VICTIMS OF SHOOTING NEVER INTERVIEWED, FAKES SWAPPED IN AT FAKE HOSPITAL

Paul Craig Roberts posted a letter from a military surgeon that specialized in treating gunshot wounds. This surgeon remarked about how the patients in the hospital videos were obviously not shot. The people in the "hospital videos" probably were indeed not shot. But they were most likely never at the concert at all because it was a fake hospital video. Most likely, the people who were actually shot were never interviewed by the press because they would interfere with the official story. What would be worse than having a real witness of the event get on camera and blow it for the FBI?

After finding a totally obscure video that shows it all clearly, I now affirmatively know the shooting was real, and that everything I said about real people being left to die overnight is accurate. I found a perfectly clear video of the shooting in progress, a video that was buried up until this point. I also now affirmatively know that the media never interviewed real victims, they interviewed actors who were complicit in the shooting that would not spill the beans on the official story

This video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2PILzKomiw) clearly proves the gunfire originated on site, and not from far away. It clearly proves there is blood everywhere, because it did not rain yet the pavement has huge wet areas. It clearly shows an unconcious girl with a huge head wound dripping blood on the pavement as people try to get her to safety. Keep in mind that at night a camera is not going to make blood show red on black pavement. Blood color is so close to black from an actual light absorption perspective that cameras just cant discern the color at night, especially a cell phone.

The doctor that sent the letter to Paul Craig Roberts (https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/10/09/military-surgeon-says-videos-las-vegas-gunshot-victims-fake/) was probably being honest, and giving an honest reaction to what was obviously actors in a fake hospital video.....


The letter to Paul Craig Roberts (https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/10/09/military-surgeon-says-videos-las-vegas-gunshot-victims-fake/) linked above is a letter from a surgeon experienced in treating gun shot wounds from military assault rifles. The letter is entitled "Military Surgeon Says Videos of Las Vegas Gunshot Victims Are Fake". In the letter, the surgeon goes on to describe the devastation that such a gun shot wound causes, even in an arm or a leg. The surgeon is certain that the interviews he's seen of "victims" a few days after the shooting are fake ... the "victims" are way too healthy, with no signs of such recent dramatic, life threatening, trauma that at best takes months to recover from.

Between the above linked video, which seems to show real victims, live, at the time of the shootings, and follow on fake interviews, Jim Stone concludes that real people were shot, but actors were interviewed. Stone figures that "they" don't want real victims interviewed, as that would leak out more details of what actually happened (a massacre at closer range.)

I agree with Jim Stone on this.


I've seen this before. This letter to Paul Craig Roberts (https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/10/09/military-surgeon-says-videos-las-vegas-gunshot-victims-fake/). And after viewing some of the victims in hospital... I decided not to post this article because I believe that this doctor is a deep-state 'plant' pretending to be a military surgeon. He is just there to add more confusion for distraction purposes. Jeff Rense also agrees on this one. As stated in his interview with Jay Weidner... @ 22m19s (https://youtu.be/tugWDI2ShEg?t=22m19s)

Jeff also gets into & breaks down Eric Paddock's slip of the tonge,

"Steve was an Ar...."

Steve Paddock was an arms dealer???



Jeff Rense - Jay Weidner Interview (https://youtu.be/tugWDI2ShEg?t=22m19s)
(Oct 11, 2017)
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/q5jV52_y8w4/hqdefault.jpg
VIDEO (https://youtu.be/tugWDI2ShEg?t=22m19s)

[ThePythonicCow]

I'm curious. When you say "Haddock" instead of "Paddock" are you making a point? Like he, Paddock, was had. Thus, "Haddock."
No point ... just a brain fart ... fixed in my post now. Thanks for noticing.

[Cidersomerset]

Turiya I think you will like this.....

This is one of the better WH press conferences I have seen since Trumps team
took over , and Gen Kelly 'held' the room and the Press corp seemed impressed ?
Most briefings are usually sarcastic back and forth between press and secretary.
Though we will soon find out in the headlines ...

Why have I posted it here ? Gen Kelly answers quite a few diverse questions
but one theme he came back to was how ISIS was being defeated and how
they were fleeing Iraq to Europe and elsewhere which could tie in with ISIS
being involved with the Las Vagas shootings , which Alex's sources keeps
telling him. They don't discuss this in the briefing but reading between the
lines it is possible and they are covering it up. That's only one of several
theories running as everyone knows on this thread.

The other reason its worth listening to imo it gives a good insight to the
Trump/Kelly relationship as there have been many rumours especially
from the alternate and mainstream that there is friction etc....


10/12/17: White House Press Briefing
3shoZkktNgQ

Published on 12 Oct 2017
The White House

====================================================
====================================================
Roger Stone commenting on Gen Kelly yesterday...

Will General Kelly Be Able To Control Trump Once He Moves To Mar-A-Lago?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaQCuGgYTG8
Published on 11 Oct 2017
General John Kelly has brought down an iron curtain around Donald Trump. But will
he be able to maintain it when the President moves to Mar-A-Lago in the winter?

===================================================





Quote Posted by Satori (here)
I'm curious. When you say "Haddock" instead of "Paddock" are you making a
point? Like he, Paddock, was had. Thus, "Haddock."

No point ... just a brain fart ... fixed in my post now. Thanks for noticing


CIANN has the same effect on me .....

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False flag terror attacks to keep the 'fear' up and make the FBI look good at
stopping the incidents they set up in the first place.....Quotes from a 2013 report
from Judge Napolitano and more show how US agencies have set up many plots
of entrapments.

FBISIS: Close Look At FBI Run ISIS Attack In Texas
by Real news with David Knight

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Published on 12 Oct 2017
There’s only been 2 violent attacks in the US claimed by ISIS: Garland,TX 2015 &
Las Vegas 2017. The TX jihadis had help from the FBI who encouraged, supported,
inflamed the attackers and even accompanied them to the event where a security
guard was shot. The FBI has a long history of creating events that they shut down
to make themselves look like heroes and to scare the people into giving up their liberties.

===================================================


Jeff & Jay Weidner - How & Why Paddock May Not Have Fired A Shot And
Why And How He Was Executed

Good interview.......https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tugWDI2ShEg&feature=youtu.be&t=22m19s

[turiya]

Thanks Cider for posting the Gen. Kelly press conference... Good to see how he handles the media hounds.

Yes, General Kelly has indicated that ISIS is escaping into Western Europe, and elsewhere...
The truth of the matter is that the deep-state-cabal is allowing them to escape... And Russia hasn't been so blind as to not have seen what is really going on... btw, US coalition force = deep-state-cabal

Russia Accuses U.S. Of "Pretending To Fight ISIS" (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-10/russia-accuses-us-pretending-fight-isis-effect-policies-syria)

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fp_thumb/images/user5/imageroot/russia teaser.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-10/russia-accuses-us-pretending-fight-isis-effect-policies-syria)
If the US coalition is indeed allowing ISIS in Iraq to "escape" into eastern Syria, it constitutes a clear continuation of the Obama era policy of "watching" and "managing" Daesh (in John Kerry's words) in order to put pressure on Assad and Iran.


Oct 10, 2017 2:50 PM


So yeah, one could say in a way, that the "Deep-State Chickens are Coming Home to Roost"...

On David Knight's real news program (https://youtu.be/qCNvyM9Avd0?t=32m34s) today, he shows a Judge Napolitano clip from 2013 in which he explains how the FBI had created its own terrorism... How it has, and still does, attain its own assets (Muslim dissidents in particular), befriends them, gives them everything they need, to set them up to carry out nefarious deeds, and then catches them red-handed in the act, so that the agency can receive more funding for a job well done. The very first World Trade Center bombing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing) (1993) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing) was such an FBI planned terrorist event. See Inside the Terror Factory (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/terror-factory-fbi-trevor-aaronson-book/) by Trevor Aaronson (January 11, 2013)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QynchCojTzM

This kind of thing has been going on for decades. Mother Jones (http://The Informants The FBI has built a massive network of spies to prevent another domestic attack. But are they busting terrorist plots—or leading them?) had done several articles on what the FBI has been doing regarding this in the past....






The Informants (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/07/fbi-terrorist-informants/)
The FBI has built a massive network of
spies to prevent another domestic attack.
But are they busting terrorist plots—or leading them? (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/07/fbi-terrorist-informants/)
September/October
2011 Issue

Late Add:
And, from Julian Assange (posted previously):

@JulianAssange Replying to @RedactedTonight — Almost all “terror” plots are created by the FBI as part of its business model. (http://12160.info/forum/topics/julianassange-replying-to-redactedtonight-almost-all-terror-plots)
(http://12160.info/forum/topics/julianassange-replying-to-redactedtonight-almost-all-terror-plots)

http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/ASSANGE_ALMOST_ALL_TERROR_PLOTS_ARE_CREATED_BY_THE _FBI.png (http://api.ning.com/files/S2fl5KacUVLf*7jrcphoVLVFRhoA-3ZVz8c6cJB*gjwpgO*2aOcl4eOliRACx9CHXPCuAxD-bz5vdQ977JBXY41TP6AZy3QT/Julian_Assange__on_Twitter_RedactedTonight_Almost_ all_terror_plots_are_created_by_the_FBI_as_part_of _its_business_model._What_is_the_business_of_the_F BI_Extracting_tax._What_does_t.co_VmfYMW6DdT__2017 1005_12.54.00.png)

[Marikins]

I'm curious. When you say "Haddock" instead of "Paddock" are you making a point? Like he, Paddock, was had. Thus, "Haddock."
No point ... just a brain fart ... fixed in my post now. Thanks for noticing.
I thought Paul was being clever telling us something was "fishy" with the official single-shooter story.

[skogvokter]

THIS VIDEO IS SO TELLING THAT IT WILL NOT COME UP IN SEARCH RESULTS. It is obvious all the hits are from people linking into it that happened to have known about it, I tried searching for it by its exact title and Youtube would absolutely not allow it to show up.
[/INDENT][/INDENT]============

Warning - some will find this video too gruesome:
u2PILzKomiw




Many thanks for this Paul. An excellent piece. Yes, the video is the rawest I've seen so far, for sure. That sure isn't crisis acting in that vid.
Here's the mp4 if folks want to help themselves, in the event it is removed [Paul: I'm attempting to upload this mp4 but it's either taking an age or at 31mb may be too large? Please advise. Thanks. TQ]






From Bill: uploaded in 720p resolution to the Avalon Library. I do have most of the other important vids archived as well, if need be.


http://avalonlibrary.net/Las_Vegas_Route_91_shooting.mp4 (http://avalonlibrary.net/Las_Vegas_Route_91_shooting.mp4)


..
..
I posted a video with graphic content earlier in this thread, but it was taken down.
..
Here is another link, same video.
WARNING graphic content https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4ff_1507067186
..
It's disturbing and looks very real.
..

[Tintin]

Here are a couple more anomalies that I noticed in my readings yesterday, that I don't recall seeing posted on this thread:

"They" claimed to know the exact number of dead early on, having barely cleaned up site of the shooting ... fifty something. That number has not changed since, that I am aware of. This despite over five hundred allegedly wounded victims, a number also known early (too early) on. Not all victims of high powered automatic weapons fire survive. If the original numbers were accurate, then the number of dead would still be climbing now.
The thousands of rounds of spent brass from the shells that it would have taken to wound or kill that many people, if shooting from Paddock's lair on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay, would have created major burns on the carpet. We've seen neither the piles of spent brass, nor the burnt carpet, rather just a few spent brass sitting on top of still good carpet (and a couple of rounds on top of the blood claimed to be from Paddock's self-inflicted head shot.)


There will be a greater number of casualties than claimed through MSM, and no doubt at all a lockdown on information from actual victims (living of course) or those with first hand information that runs counter to the MSM script. There have undoubtedly been attempts from actual survivors of this to post their experiences on social media but they have probably been blocked, algo'd, or shadow dumped to prevent what may be closer to the truth being revealed, or what really was going down, from getting out. Welcome to cyber censorship folks and it ain't pretty...

The whole "crime scene" concerning the "sniper's nest" doesn't stack up either. (What we are being shown would be inconsistent with protocol I would imagine.) And to identify a perpetrator (who clearly wasn't) before any thorough forensic investigation has taken place is plainly ridiculous. (The body in the room could easily be a prosthetic as used on crime drama TV, and, probably was). Therefore fabrication, a false narrative. You're a Paddock down already, so, back to the evidence, and what exactly is that? Where does it take you? (Somewhere a rabbit holes yawns and yearns for company....he sees, in a dream state)

Dealing with the MSM fusillade of puckey can sometimes be quite entertaining yet vexing at the same time, and leads one to wanting to go back to chewing furniture, maybe some of the furniture that purports to being in room 135 as well. Maybe my overbites will help to keep the CSI team busy.......and lead them away from the decoy narrative.

[Bill Ryan]

I posted a video with graphic content earlier in this thread, but it was taken down.
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Here is another link, same video.
WARNING graphic content https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4ff_1507067186
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It's disturbing and looks very real.
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Many thanks. Right, no crisis actors there. Very graphic indeed.

Here's a download link, although it may well expire:


https://cdn.liveleak.com/80281E/ll_a_s/2017/Oct/3/LiveLeak-dot-com-4ff_1507067186-VegasShooting_1507067267.mp4.h264_base.mp4?KAhsrAHUsNobnzGSho0CRrRwWI5UkVyzB_83D4c1BNaV7viZOj_FjKQDq 69Z9Djk&ec_rate=499

But it's in the Avalon Library, here:


http://avalonlibrary.net/LiveLeak.com_Graphic_footage_from_Las_Vegas_shooting.mp4

[Bill Ryan]

Jeff Rense tells Jay Weidner (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tugWDI2ShEg) that this is one of the most extraordinary personal-witness vidoes he's ever seen, about anything. He says every American should watch it. I'd agree.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvActO9U8eI[/url]
Comments by Alexandra Bruce at Forbidden Knowledge TV:


https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/eyewitness-report-of-shooting-at-the-tropicana-and-ny-ny

A young man named Gio Rios did a livestream on Facebook last Sunday and I’ve edited out some of his small talk (especially in the beginning) and added some titles. He made this livestream because he is appalled at the lies of the US Government and Mainstream Media. He states unequivocally, “What happened exactly one week ago was a terrorist attack. It was group-organized, it was choreographed and I don’t want anyone thinking it was a one-person shooter…This was a terrorist attack on US soil and they’re still out there, on our soil, planning another attack.”

Gio says he was staying at the Luxor hotel with his girlfriend, Marissa the weekend of the Las Vegas shooting. They went to the Route 91 festival across the street and were watching Jason Aldean perform near the front row, Stage Left when the shots began firing and people all around them began dropping. (They were in the area closest to the sights of the guns being fired from the Mandalay Bay hotel).

Gio describes hearing the horrible sound of bullets penetrating human flesh as he fled the venue with Marissa on Giles Street, only to hear more shots coming from the direction of the Hooters restaurant on Tropicana Boulevard. He and Marissa hid behind a car before being herded into the Tropicana Hotel with dozens of other fleeing, bleeding concertgoers, one of whom died in the hallway.

While in this hallway, a very calm, muscular, light brown-skinned man with a black polymer suitcase ordered him into the casino. Gio refused and asked what was in the suitcase (this was a chaotic crisis situation with a dead man beside them on the floor and this cool and collected man had a suitcase). The man looked him dead in the eye and was about to show Gio what was inside when very rapid bursts of gunfire erupted in the Tropicana casino and the man ran in that direction. Jason’s impression was that people were being herded into the casino to be killed and that this man would have killed him, if he hadn’t been distracted.

(During the question session at the end, which I’ve edited out, Gio describes the man as speaking unaccented Southern Californian English and looking like he was maybe of “Armenian” ethnicity, which I take to mean that he looked like a male Kim Kardashian).

After escaping through a door, Gio and Marissa were in an alleyway when shots began firing again, from fairly close range in the direction of the New York New York hotel. They then ran back into the alley and hid inside a dumpster for three hours.

It was from this location that he heard helicopters flying over the Strip for several hours. He asks why, if by then Stephen Paddock had already been found dead, that the police would still be looking for perpetrators, if they were so certain that they had found their Lone Gunman. He says, “They knew that there were multiple shooters.”

After three hours in the dumpster, he and Marissa emerged and a Las Vegas Metro cop immediately told them to get inside the Tropicana hotel, which had by then been secured. They lay on floor of a convention room for a couple of hours and waited for all of the hotels on the strip to check and clear all of the rooms so they could go back. He comments, “Again, why were they doing that if there had only been one shooter?”

When the TV was turned on and it was announced that, “Two were confirmed dead and 20 injured,” Gio and Marissa were shocked because they had seen with their own eyes that the casualties were much greater. The local TV station flashed the phone number for the FBI tip line. Gio immediately called the FBI and relayed everything that’s been stated here. At that point, he thought this was the right thing to do. He’s not so sure about his safety anymore (!)

Gio describes staying up all night and finally getting back to their room at the Luxor hotel and watching Trump’s speech at 7AM. He says, “It wasn’t right…It was a terrorist attack, OK?…There’s no way in Hell that a 64-year-old, untrained man could shoot an automatic military grade weapon from the 34th (sic) floor at a declining grade and hit people…[he couldn’t do that] for ten minutes straight. There’s no way. And if you believe that, I’m sorry. I have no words for you…it was a terrorist attack. Donald Trump can’t say that because he doesn’t want that [on his watch]…but who gives a sh*t?

“Be real! Tell the people the truth! If you are running our country, you need to tell them the truth…this is immense, people! This was so huge. This was a terrorist attack on US soil and they’re still out there, on our soil, planning another attack.”