Active shooters in Las Vegas: 59 dead, 546 injured

[ThePythonicCow]

Marikins previously posted the video below which covers the "towers" at 17:30 on the video. Scott Binsack went to the area and photographed the "towers" (ferris wheel pedestals) and said they were hollow and his pictures show an entrance at ground level. He said that this area was closed off by police and there were ladders in the "towers". He also indicated later in the video that there were small windows in the "towers".
Good grief - that Scott Binsack takes 4 hours to say what could be said in 20 minutes. He rambles, repeats and rants on and on and on :).

But he's got a good b*ll sh*t detector and he's been going to Las Vegas for years (in the construction business, I think he said), and he was in Vegas just the day or so after the shooting. He has contacts in Vegas and he talks to lots of ordinary, honest, working people.

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Here's a more concise report from him, which he uploaded on 7 Oct 2017, six days after the shooting, on where he figures the shooting came from.

Go to the 5:03 mark (https://youtu.be/Y9EsR855LX4?t=5m3s) in the following video, where he points out the Mandalay, the "twin towers", and a white hotel a bit further off (from where he's standing).
Y9EsR855LX4
In the space of about one and a half minutes, starting at 5:03 in the above video, you can get a good sense, from the ground, of the layout.

From what I can tell by looking at maps, the white hotel that Binsack points out in the above video is the back half of the Tropicana (which property has two high rise hotel buildings on the same property.) These concrete "twin towers" and Tropicana hotel both overlook the "Las Vegas Village" property, where the shootings occurred, at the Route 91 Harvest Festival.

Binsack figures that the first shots came from the "twin towers", which are a pair of 5 meter diameter, 20 plus story tall, concrete towers that are left over from a failed project to build a giant ferris wheel. The two towers are hollow, each with a door visible at the bottom, and with openings (unadorned concrete holes) part way up. They overlook the "shooting gallery" from behind the stage. That's why (Binsack claims -- this part I have not verified) some video of the initial shootings from the audience in the front, near to the stage, have people pointing at and above the stage as the source of the shots.

If I were a sniper wanting to take shots at Route 91 Harvest Festival goers, I cannot imagine a better "snipers nest" to work from than these "twin towers".

Binsack figures that the second burst of shots came from the white hotel (the Tropicana, from what I can tell looking at maps). He reports that the windows on this hotel do open from the inside, as it was a building built before the Las Vegas building code requiring that the windows on high rise structures do not open. He said he has (I haven't looked yet) video of him walking outside this hotel, showing open windows.

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In the 4 hour video that Truman Cash posted above, Binsack makes a connection between his theory on where the shots were fired and the following analysis by Mike Adams.

In this video that he posted 3 days ago now (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxmEFeKy8aI), Mike Adams analyzes the rifle sounds and concludes that there were at least two shooters, one at a distance of 250 to 275 yards from where the bullets hit the ground, and the other at a distance of 425 to 475 yards from where the bullets hit the ground.

Mike Adams does his analysis by comparing the timing of the sounds of the bullets hitting the ground, and the sound of the rifle blast. Since rifle bullets travel faster than sound, they arrive first, before the sound of the gun fire. Since high frequency sounds don't travel in air as well as low frequence sounds, the sound of a nearby bullet strike will have louder high frequency content than the sound of gun shot a distance away. At these distances that timing difference can easily be a half second, which is enough to show up on smart phone video, with the right audio and spectrum analysis tools, which Adams has and knows how to use.

Mike Adams listed some places that the closer shooter (250 to 275 yards) might have came from, including a mound of dirt left over from the abandoned construction of the giant ferris wheel, but he doesn't seem to know that those "twin towers" were hollow, 5 meter (15 foot) wide concrete towers reaching high into the sky, just 250 to 275 yards from the shooting victims, above and behind the stage. Mike Adams also presumes that the shots from 425 to 475 yards came from the Mandalay, but Binsack presents a variety of evidence that most of these further off shots came from the white hotel that is the back half of the Tropicana.

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Some other evidence that Binsack mentions in his videos, and some that others have noted too; some of which has been reported above, and some that I've heard first from Binsack:

The outside of the Tropicana Las Vegas Casino Hotel is lit up in a nice "New World Order" purple color at night.
The initial reports, beginning on 2 Oct 2017, the day after the shooting, said that the "shooting lasted nine to 11 minutes" (as reported for example here (http://digg.com/2017/las-vegas-mass-shooting)).
The windows on the 32nd floor from which Paddock allegedly shot were 9 stories down from the top, and 11 windows apart.
The maids in this 32nd floor were told to stay home, not come to work, the day of 1 Oct 2017, the day of the shooting.
As others have noted, the shooting took place across from the black pyramid and sphinx of the Luxor hotel.
The brilliant light on top of the Luxor is not normally lit up, but beginning a few days before the shooting, began to be turned on nightly.
Reports of shootings at several other hotels in the area were phoned into police, just before the real shootings, apparently to distract and delay the police.
So far as Binsack knows, no one was actually shot at any of these other hotels.
Binsack has walked around the Mandalay and reports that no other windows are broken out, except for the two supposedly used by Paddock on the 32nd floor.
Binsack does a detailed analysis of the "taxi lady's" recording of shooting sounds and muzzle flashes, finding that it is consistent with his analysis of the sources of the gun fire.
Binsack has family in the undertaker business, and they concluded that the photo of the supposedly shot Paddock had photoshopped blood and that that body had been dead too long (rigor mortis setting in) for the published timeline.
Others, not Binsack, have noticed that the corpse in this photo supposedly of Paddock does not show the "13" tattoo on the neck that Paddock had.
Workers in various casinos reported that Paddock routinely drank alcholic beverages, contrary to the (likely fake) news that he never drank.
Some of the wagering and gambling tables at the Mandalay were shut down, hours before the shooting began.
The construction site surrounding the "twin towers" continues to be kept off limits from the public, nearly a week after the shooting.
Binsack expects more, escalating false flags ... ending up with blaming Iran or North Korea, justifying a major escalation.
Binsack expects that a "Freedom Act" or some such will be put into law, first in Nevada and then in the US, mandating new high tech scanners in sports stadiums and arenas, hotels, casinos, government buildings, etc, etc.
Michael Chertoff and others stand to profit greatly from these scanner sales, as they did from the airport scanners after 9/11.
Note that all the usual places that people are gathered in the event of a major local disaster or martial law will end up with these scanners and other high tech security.
As others have noted, MGM CEO Murren sold 80% of his MGM stock in Sept 2017 (MGM owns both the Mandalay and the Tropicana.)

Of course, those who have been paying any attention to main stream news the last sixteen years will notice that the words I emboldened above, "twin towers" and "9/11", sound familiar. That's a pure coincidence, I'm sure.

[ThePythonicCow]

Gio describes staying up all night and finally getting back to their room at the Luxor hotel and watching Trump’s speech at 7AM. He says, “It wasn’t right…It was a terrorist attack, OK?…There’s no way in Hell that a 64-year-old, untrained man could shoot an automatic military grade weapon from the 34th (sic) floor at a declining grade and hit people…[he couldn’t do that] for ten minutes straight. There’s no way. And if you believe that, I’m sorry. I have no words for you…it was a terrorist attack. Donald Trump can’t say that because he doesn’t want that [on his watch]…but who gives a sh*t?

“Be real! Tell the people the truth! If you are running our country, you need to tell them the truth…this is immense, people! This was so huge. This was a terrorist attack on US soil and they’re still out there, on our soil, planning another attack.”
Unfortunately, as best as I can figure, the "terrorists" who carried out this operation include and/or control key parts of the US government.

I would not bother asking those running our country to tell the truth, or to protect us from the terrorists.

Rather they are the terrorists. I'd be looking for ways to protect myself from the terrorists who have hijacked my country and rained down bombs, bullets, and terrorism across the planet, for my entire (thankfully long) life.

[ThePythonicCow]

I've seen this before. This letter to Paul Craig Roberts (https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/10/09/military-surgeon-says-videos-las-vegas-gunshot-victims-fake/). And after viewing some of the victims in hospital... I decided not to post this article because I believe that this doctor is a deep-state 'plant' pretending to be a military surgeon. He is just there to add more confusion for distraction purposes. Jeff Rense also agrees on this one.
My take is that many of those being interviewed by main stream media in the first few days after the shooting were crisis actors ... fake. If these are the videos that this so called "military surgeon" watched, then I would agree with his analysis that these were fake victims.

It's on youtube and similar videos uploaded by ordinary people that the real events (along with some more fake news) appears.

In other words, we have both real mass murder, and fake mass murder.

The truth and the fiction is confused and mixed together.

[ThePythonicCow]

I don't know where fox13now.com (the Salt Lake City Fox News channel) got the image.

Source: David Becker/Getty Images News/Getty Images (https://www.bustle.com/p/photos-of-the-las-vegas-shooting-are-horrifying-2742706)


Becker is a professional photographer:

Getty Images work (http://www.gettyimages.com/photos/david-becker?excludenudity=true&sort=mostpopular&mediatype=photography&phrase=david%20becker&family=editorial)

The following IBTimes article has more information on Becker as the source of these images:
Photographer captures scenes of mass shooting at country music festival near Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas:
David Becker, a photojournalist covering the country music festival in Las Vegas for Getty Images, braved machine gun fire to take photos of the mass shooting. (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/photographer-captures-mass-shooting-route-91-country-music-festival-las-vegas-1641508)

[ThePythonicCow]

The outside of the Tropicana Las Vegas Casino Hotel is lit up in a nice "New World Order" purple color at night.
The IBTimes article, that I just linked in the previous post (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/photographer-captures-mass-shooting-route-91-country-music-festival-las-vegas-1641508), has the following image showing the purple Tropicana building from which Binsack figures that the second round of fire came:
https://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1640222/las-vegas-shooting.jpg?w=800

[Noelle]

I don't know where fox13now.com (the Salt Lake City Fox News channel) got the image.

Source: David Becker/Getty Images News/Getty Images (https://www.bustle.com/p/photos-of-the-las-vegas-shooting-are-horrifying-2742706)


Becker is a professional photographer:

Getty Images work (http://www.gettyimages.com/photos/david-becker?excludenudity=true&sort=mostpopular&mediatype=photography&phrase=david%20becker&family=editorial)

The following IBTimes article has more information on Becker as the source of these images:
Photographer captures scenes of mass shooting at country music festival near Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas:
David Becker, a photojournalist covering the country music festival in Las Vegas for Getty Images, braved machine gun fire to take photos of the mass shooting. (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/photographer-captures-mass-shooting-route-91-country-music-festival-las-vegas-1641508)

I was a journalist for 10+ years. If I had been assigned to do an article on that concert, I would not be standing there taking notes with it raining bullets and people running, injured and killed. I don't think it would be crazy to question why Becker was there. Did Getty assign him to take photos of the concert? Was the concert that big of a deal for Getty to send a photographer to take photos? It could be that he went for a local paper, but the shooting images were bought by Getty.

[ThePythonicCow]

I was a journalist for 10+ years. If I had been assigned to do an article on that concert, I would not be standing there taking notes with it raining bullets ...
I was a journalist for 0- years. I wouldn't be standing there either :).

But I have done foolish things in my youth. Perhaps this guy is just a different flavor of fool.


I don't think it would be crazy to question why Becker was there.
Yes - one does wonder - if whomever sent him to the concert had prior knowledge that something unusual would go down.

[ThePythonicCow]

Look what Jim Stone (http://82.221.129.208/.zw4.html) found buried into Mike Adams' "Dirt Mounds" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100040-Active-shooter-in-Las-Vegas-59-dead-527-injured&p=1184750&viewfull=1#post1184750):[INDENT]HUGE TWIST: (http://82.221.129.208/.zw4.html)

Mike Adams bullet trajectory analysis, when pegged down to a specific location, matches the abandoned Skyvue towers perfectly.


http://82.221.129.208/skyvue.jpg


The skyvue towers are what is left of an abandoned Ferris wheel project that started five years ago. They are the supports that were supposed to hold the wheel. For whatever reason it was not deemed econimically viable and they abandoned it.

The towers stand 200 feet tall, and have mechanical access doors and an interior stairwell inside of them for providing service access to the Ferris wheel hub.

VERY IMPORTANT: Trolls are trolling the towers badly, and I always use troll behavior to gauge the validity of a topic. Trolls are doing everything they can to divert the public away from these towers. These towers are so close to the concert that they are considered to be at near point blank range for a basic 5.56 round (not even an updated boosted one.) Their much closer proximity to the concert would explain why the gunfire was so loud. Their position also would explain why people in the videos appear to have had temporary shelter in front of the stage until gunmen opened fire from other angles. Their position also would explain why the performers and people back stage said they first became aware of the shooting when bullets started hitting the roof of the stage.



In the 4 hour video that Truman Cash posted above, Binsack makes a connection between his theory on where the shots were fired and the following analysis by Mike Adams.

In this video that he posted 3 days ago now (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxmEFeKy8aI), Mike Adams analyzes the rifle sounds and concludes that there were at least two shooters, one at a distance of 250 to 275 yards from where the bullets hit the ground, and the other at a distance of 425 to 475 yards from where the bullets hit the ground.

Mike Adams does his analysis by comparing the timing of the sounds of the bullets hitting the ground, and the sound of the rifle blast. Since rifle bullets travel faster than sound, they arrive first, before the sound of the gun fire. Since high frequency sounds don't travel in air as well as low frequence sounds, the sound of a nearby bullet strike will have louder high frequency content than the sound of gun shot a distance away. At these distances that timing difference can easily be a half second, which is enough to show up on smart phone video, with the right audio and spectrum analysis tools, which Adams has and knows how to use.

Mike Adams listed some places that the closer shooter (250 to 275 yards) might have came from, including a mound of dirt left over from the abandoned construction of the giant ferris wheel, but he doesn't seem to know that those "twin towers" were hollow, 5 meter (15 foot) wide concrete towers reaching high into the sky, just 250 to 275 yards from the shooting victims, above and behind the stage. Mike Adams also presumes that the shots from 425 to 475 yards came from the Mandalay, but Binsack presents a variety of evidence that most of these further off shots came from the white hotel that is the back half of the Tropicana.
Aha - once again - Hervé beat me to it - a half day earlier with twice the facts.

:highfive:

[Eric J (Viking)]

Robert Downey Jr... makes a statement...

Robert Downey Jr.: Las Vegas Shooting Was ‘Satanic Blood Sacrifice’

Posted By: RumorMail
Date: Friday, 13-Oct-2017 00:48:05

Ironically, Downey's movie Character 'Ironman' fought Capt America in a Civil War. Ironman was on the side of the Liberal/Dems..

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The Las Vegas shooting was a “Satanic blood sacrifice to please occult interests“, according to Robert Downey Jr., who claims the establishment elite are now living in fear of President Donald Trump’s attempts to drain the swamp, including his strong campaign to arrest pedophiles.

The elite have now “accelerated their agenda, bringing their endgame closer,” claims Robert Downey Jr., explaining that they want to “turn America into a prison.”

Robert Downey Jr., who has been in Atlanta filming the latest installment of the Marvel “Avengers” series, also lashed out at the official narrative surrounding the Las Vegas shooting, telling production staff that he has stayed at Mandalay Bay and there is no way alleged shooter Stephen Paddock could have smuggled 27 high-powered weapons into his hotel suite.

“I’ve been to that hotel [Mandalay Bay], they have special weapons detectors installed and there is no way they would have allowed weapons in unless they were cooperating with either a federal law enforcement team or, you know, a fake law enforcement team.”

“The whole story stinks to high heaven.”

In August the Iron Man star exposed a huge Hollywood network of pedophilia, prostitution, and human trafficking that involves a whole host of what he described as “sick f*cks“.

Now Downey Jr. is taking aim at the deep state.

“You know there was a FEMA drill taking place in Las Vegas that day? There was a FEMA drill and then suddenly it went live. Took all the actors by surprise. Suddenly it’s real bullets. We’ve seen this happen so many times before.”

“They didn’t even send an Emergency Response Team for hours – not for the drill, not for the real dead and injured. That many people did not have to die. Many more died for lack of a proper response caused by confusion. It was treason in high places.”

Downey Jr. doesn’t believe the FBI are responsible for the attack, but he does believe they know more than they are willing to admit, and they know exactly who they should be questioning.

“They have their hands tied. You can see the fear on their faces. They know what they are dealing with and it’s above their pay grade.”

“Really they should be tying these top guys down. We are at a unique point in history where maybe something can be done about the power structure that has infiltrated the deep state. These treasonous psychopaths should be questioned intensively, and with the use of polygraphs and if necessary truth-serum.”

Downey Jr. also insisted his theory – that the US government will not only let the perpetrators walk free, but will also allow them to profit to the tune of billions by selling unneeded security services and equipment, in the process turning the United States into a giant prison – is not far-fetched at all.

“JFK was assassinated by the CIA and Mossad. Martin Luther King was assassinated by an Army sniper working for the FBI. The USS Liberty, strafed and torpedoed by the Israelis, with a long-running cover-up by the government led by Lyndon f##king Johnson. And don’t forget 9/11,” Downey Jr. said to prove his point.

But in Downey Jr.’s opinion, the Las Vegas tragedy is also an opportunity.

“Let me spell it out even more clearly for you – even if this was a government massacre using actual CIA and FBI employees in support of a top secret “compartmented” massacre on top of a FEMA drill, the President and the new Director of the FBI have a unique opportunity here.”

They can “investigate, illuminate, indict, and incarcerate.”

“The lawless ones have been dug in deep as a tick on my hound’s ass for a long time now. Everyone knows this. But if this happens, if we all get to see a billionaire do hard time, it will change America for the better. It will restore the legitimacy of the federal government in everybody’s eyes.”

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=85526

Viking

[KiwiElf]

Well Mr Robert Downey Jr, you got some - even most - of that right, but your tunnel vision is, IMO, a bit... myopic (and, dare I say it, anti-Trump? ;))

[ThePythonicCow]

(and, dare I say it, anti-Trump? ;))
I thought it was more pro-Trump, giving Trump the benefit of the doubt that he might actually intend to, and have some opportunity to, drain the swamp a little.

But, my response is seriously off topic, so I'd seriously suggest you not reply :).

:focus:

[Bluegreen]

Re: Robert Downey Jr
This appears to be coming from our old friend Baxter Dmitri
#fakenews

Too bad the article nails it!

[Harley]

Not very fair Paul. :( :)

[KiwiElf]

(and, dare I say it, anti-Trump? ;))
I thought it was more pro-Trump, giving Trump the benefit of the doubt that he might actually intend to, and have some opportunity to, drain the swamp a little.

But, my response is seriously off topic, so I'd seriously suggest you not reply :).

:focus:

LOL :ROFL: I'm having a seriously hard time with my (mis)interpretations tonight! :)

[Cidersomerset]

As the news cycle moves on , stories have been breaking the
biggest being Harvey Weinstein and others are still in the background.
North Korea, Iran , Russiagate , Puerto Rico Trumps various tweets
and domestic agendas. Others are quietening down and OJ slipped
out of prison.

Usually by now this shooting would have been tied up by the authorities
and swallowed by the mainstream press. The window of opportunity of
the truth is closing but there is more witness and film footage than usual,
even though the FBI are doing there best to shut it down.

Anthony Cumia says he's normally sceptic in these matters thinks this stinks...
jw9QNf_MUPU
Published on 12 Oct 2017
It seems odd that despite Harvey Weinstein's abuse of women being an
open secret it was revealed now right after the Las Vegas shooting.

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WITNESS Smelled Gunpowder & FBI Wipes Phones Of Witnesses
a6AFzDqfaaw
Published on 12 Oct 2017
Eyewitness account casts doubt on the official story. But other witnesses have had
their cellphones confiscated by the FBI then returned with everything from the day
of the shooting wiped off.

[Tintin]

As the news cycle moves on , stories have been breaking the
biggest being Harvey Weinstein and others are still in the background.
North Korea, Iran , Russiagate , Puerto Rico Trumps various tweets
and domestic agendas. Others are quietening down and OJ slipped
out of prison.

Usually by now this shooting would have been tied up by the authorities
and swallowed by the mainstream press. The window of opportunity of
the truth is closing but there is more witness and film footage than usual,
even though the FBI are doing there best to shut it down.

Anthony Cumia says he's normally sceptic in these matters thinks this stinks...
jw9QNf_MUPU
Published on 12 Oct 2017
It seems odd that despite Harvey Weinstein's abuse of women being an
open secret it was revealed now right after the Las Vegas shooting.

===================================================

WITNESS Smelled Gunpowder & FBI Wipes Phones Of Witnesses
a6AFzDqfaaw
Published on 12 Oct 2017
Eyewitness account casts doubt on the official story. But other witnesses have had
their cellphones confiscated by the FBI then returned with everything from the day
of the shooting wiped off.

Yes, here in the UK the last reported update on the Las Vegas atrocity was updated on October 3rd on the UK Guardian newspaper site. When I checked this out a couple of days ago there wasn't a whiff of any activity at all after that date. They're doing what they usually do; attempting to bury this under a pile of other 'snow' news. And that's the Guardian for crissakes. Of course they are part of the machine, but, of all the mainstream news outlets they usually tend to dig a little harder and publish. And, nothing at all on UK television (BBC, ITV etc..) either.

I am very close to committing to the Guardian a typed volley of invective and disgrace at them for ducking the issue entirely. Still, I'm not surprised. It's gone downhill over the last few years (I've been reading it for over 20 years). Who knows, there's been a recent change of Editor too which would account for some of that for sure.

[Cidersomerset]

Joe Biggs Calls B.S. On Bump Stock Story | Vegas Shooting

fvw8Ivs7xBA

Published on 12 Oct 2017
Joe Biggs, formerly a reporter from InfoWars, and I talk purely about the weaponry
and guns that they are claiming the Vegas shooter, Stephen Paddock used and why
its essentially impossible that he used only weapons with bump stocks to carry out
the attack.

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I like Tucker though he is totally mainstream and some of what he
says is B S from an alternate view as he says people come to the
US because of real justice , and he would not spread conspiracy
theories. But he does raise big problems in the mainstream story so
far but will not tackle any of the big questions , but still interesting
to keep parallel tabs on the cover up operations which the FBI will
surely put out soon. Or they will try and wait it out for weeks/months
hoping it will become history in the news cycle like all the others....

wqWMrUH5TuU

Published on 12 Oct 2017
Tucker's Thoughts: It has now been nearly two weeks since the Las Vegas
shooting and, unbelievably, nobody can answer even the most basic questions
about what happened. #Tucker

[mountain_jim]

I would like to find an original, reliable source for these Downey quotes. Preliminary searching shows it spreading around, but not evidence for validity as yet.

If he said all this, high five for sticking his neck out.

One thing I would take issue with is Mossad involved in JFK.

CIA/Bush, Mafia, Johnson, Texas Oil oligarchs, possibly MJ-12 if burned doc to be believed, etc. yes, but I thought that was pre-Mossad having its hand in so many false flags, including co-leading 9/11, in my understanding.

later update:

https://www.gossipcop.com/robert-downey-jr-las-vegas-shooting-illuminati-blood-sacrifice-fake-news/


It’s quite apparent that the two sites conspired to craft this illegitimate tale. And it’s not the first time they’ve spread inauthentic quotes falsely attributed to the movie star. In August, Gossip Cop exposed a Neon Nettle story that outrageously claimed Downey “blew the whistle” on a supposed “elite Hollywood pedophile ring.” That was fake news, too. It’s just especially disgusting to see the same deceptive clickbait practices being applied to a tragic mass shooting.

[Marikins]

Article on Financial Anomalies Surrounding the Las Vegas Attack by Kip Herriage of VRA Letter.com on Medium.com:
https://medium.com/@kipherriage/insider-trading-and-financial-anomalies-surrounding-the-las-vegas-attack-update-to-original-10-7-97ec791aac74

This article identifies heavy levels of insider trading at MGM from SEC insider transaction reports, and updates it with a number of interested parties like OSI System (people detection systems), Olin Corp (Winchester ammunition) and others who had huge increases in call option prices beginning 9/11/17. He closes with saying


The question I might ask is, “Did someone else profit from the heinous acts of 10/1/17? Possibly the planners?”

[Bluegreen]

I would too mountain jim but its not gonna happen because it did not happen; no Hollywood star in their right mind (aside from Roseanne and the description is debatable in her case) would go on record with such inflammatory verbiage, even if he or she does hold such views. It would be career suicide. Baxter Dmitri and his alter-ego whose name escapes me have appeared in these pages before (and David Icke's) as a flat-out liar and disinfo agent. Why does he do it? Because people like us LOVE this kind of junk. Dmitri has repeatedly sent folks down the wrong rabbit hole to make them (us) look foolish, and it seems as if it still works.

All one has to do is click on the link provided and look at the website itself with all its cheap advertisements to see within 5 seconds it is garbage. Another 30 seconds of digging reveals the name of the disinfo agent in question ... A quick click on google and a fast check of Downey's twitter account and it is CASE CLOSED.

:focus:

[Bluegreen]

http://media.toofab.com/2017/10/10/harvey-weinstein-wife-300x250.jpg

Vegas shooting? What Vegas shooting?

[Marikins]

Jesus Campos, portrayed as Las Vegas shooting hero, not registered as Security Guard in Nevada as required by law: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10/las-vegas-security-guard-shot-by-vegas-killer-is-not-registered-as-a-security-guard-in-the-state-of-nevada/.

Scott Binsack shows screenshots showing Jesus Campos was not an employee of MGM Mandalay and was entered by the CEO's office Manager Kevin Time without full info, so basically a ghost. zFVpbCfclxQ

Cued for the Jesus Campos part. https://youtu.be/zFVpbCfclxQ?t=1h4m33s

[Marikins]

Vegas shooting: concert workers’ phone footage wiped clean by FBI by Jon Rappoport October 13, 2017


Paul Watson at infowars has the story:

“Workers at the Route 91 festival during which Stephen Paddock unleashed his massacre have reportedly been given back their phones and laptops by the FBI only to discover that all messages and videos from the night of the attack have been wiped clean.”

“According to a Las Vegas resident who posted a status update on Facebook, ‘A bunch of people that worked the Route 91 [concert] said they got their cell phones back today. They all said that all their phones are completely wiped clean! All messages and info from that weekend are completely gone. Anyone else experience this’?”

“’A few different people who were vendors there are all saying the same thing,’ the woman later comments.”

“Later in the thread, a Route 91 worker confirms the story, commenting, ‘Of course. It’s an active federal crime scene. They can wipe it clean. I was the beverage manager for the entire event. My laptop is wiped clean’.”

Original INFOWARS article by Paul Joseph Watson: https://www.infowars.com/report-fbi-wipes-phones-laptops-of-las-vegas-massacre-eyewitnesses/

[Hervé]

The overall layout:


https://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2017_40/2175106/171002-las-vegas-shooting-map-njs-1118a_29e220ed5d1f92d91f3eb0493f729adc.nbcnews-ux-2880-1000.jpg



... with the Skyvue towers (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100040-Active-shooter-in-Las-Vegas-59-dead-527-injured&p=1185067&viewfull=1#post1185067) conveniently masked and showing how close the Tropicana is to the sacrificial field (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100040-Active-shooter-in-Las-Vegas-59-dead-527-injured&p=1183648&viewfull=1#post1183648).

[mountain_jim]

The following 40 second video was linked to in the comments to the eyewitness Tropicana video that Bill posted in 501. Has anyone determined whether this is real or not, from the time of the event?

Any comments or ideas appreciated. Notice how the gun is aimed at folks inside.

WMXe5Zu4XN4

another version of this with more comments is in this version labeled swat team entering Tropicana

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd-qz6ei-UM

and more comments with this version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVHmshtmDqo

[TrumanCash]

The following 40 second video was linked to in the comments to the eyewitness Tropicana video that Bill posted in 501. Has anyone determined whether this is real or not, from the time of the event?

Any comments or ideas appreciated. Notice how the gun is aimed at folks inside.

WMXe5Zu4XN4

another version of this with more comments is in this version labeled swat team entering Tropicana

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd-qz6ei-UM

and more comments with this version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVHmshtmDqo

Yes, this was posted by 89.3 KPCC Radio (https://www.scpr.org/news/2017/10/02/76230/more-than-50-people-dead-after-mass-shooting-on-la/), Southern California Public Radio (SCPR) on their October 2nd web page here (https://www.scpr.org/news/2017/10/02/76230/more-than-50-people-dead-after-mass-shooting-on-la/).

The article there also reported: "Concert-goers reported seeing muzzle flashes from the upper floors of the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino across Las Vegas Boulevard from the country music festival and the sound of what they described as automatic gun fire."

[KiwiElf]

Take this one with a large grain of salt, but these days I'm learning to turn every stone no matter how "woo woo" it may sound & very much a "baby & the bathwater" report; Entertaining if nothing else (I wouldn't pay too much attention to the link/webpage) ;),

Paddock Accomplice Singing – FBI Wants Him Dead!

Full article at link:
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2017/10/paddock-accomplice-singing-fbi-wants-him-dead-3562045.html?currentSplittedPage=0

VJFlHd8E7Jg

EXCERPT:

Tom Heneghan and Stew Webb go over huge new information in their latest broadcast including the following:

They are now calling the Vegas attack – the Daddy Bush terror attack. He’s going nuts with his weather toys and even is involved in the California fires according to what Tom has been told recently.

Russia is on nuclear alert due to the Vegas terror attack being exposed as a fraud! Now the elites want war to cover it up!

Scott Edmisten, the CIA agent captured in TN is singing like a canary. The FBI is in panic mode and broke into Padock’s house to clean it of evidence! They are trying to get Scott Edmisten in their custody and fighting the Tennessee State police over him! The patriots of the Tennessee State police told the FBI to pound sand, they aren’t going to release him. If they do, he’ll probably be killed or drugged so badly he will be useless. Luckily he’s talking right now.

The FBI just tried to remove and destroy the files on Oswald because they finger H.W. Bush who was actually arrested in Dallas but LBJ called them and had the record expunged!

Most of the arms Paddock was running came out of Israel!

[Cidersomerset]

Another Eyewitness Says Multiple Shooters In Vegas

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Published on 13 Oct 2017
An eyewitness to the Las Vegas Massacre says there was more than one shooter.

===================================================
===================================================

Agitated & emotional Sherriff says no conspiracy between police and FBI and will
answer no questions...FBI field officer says they have found no links to groups or
ideologies. There was no mention of other shooters so the official line seems
Paddock's the only suspect and that seems to be that though there is still no motive....


Police release new details on Las Vegas shooting investigation

cCqS5X_zu-g

Published on 13 Oct 2017
Las Vegas police said Friday that 45 victims are still in the hospital after the mass
shooting that left 58 people dead. Authorities are still sorting out the timeline of
events from the night Stephen Paddock shot into a crowd of concertgoers from his
room at the Mandalay Bay hotel. Watch the press conference here.

====================================================

shorter news clips of above...

Sheriff changes timeline of Las Vegas concert attack again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuzQyTKYqIY
Published on 13 Oct 2017
Sheriff Lombardo defends investigators, says there's 'no conspiracy' between law
enforcement and MGM; Jonathan Hunt reports from Los Angeles.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Las Vegas police provide additional insight into shooting investigation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72yQM5vSYA0
Published on 13 Oct 2017
Criminal defense attorney David Bruno and former FBI Joint Terror Task force
member Steve Rogers discuss the investigation into the Las Vegas shooter, 64-year-
old Stephen Paddock, who killed 58 people and injured nearly 500.

[Marikins]

The following 40 second video was linked to in the comments to the eyewitness Tropicana video that Bill posted in 501. Has anyone determined whether this is real or not, from the time of the event?

Any comments or ideas appreciated. Notice how the gun is aimed at folks inside.

WMXe5Zu4XN4

another version of this with more comments is in this version labeled swat team entering Tropicana

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd-qz6ei-UM

and more comments with this version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVHmshtmDqo

4 chan had a thread on this. 4chan thread: http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/144564473/new-bread-vip-escort-hd-video-from-tropicana

I found this statement very interesting:


>>144564473 (OP)
>CIA was going to set off dirty bomb in the city
>while having 50 gunmen go around shooting people
>place the blame on north korea
>Paddock is FBI, has been all his life
>catches a few sniffs of evidence
>goes to see what he can find
>gets to hotel room on 32nd floor
>all the guns are stashed there
>note on the table
>"you're too late, the bomb is going to go off in 5 minutes and there is nothing you can do to get all those people out of there"
>he is in tears
>thinks hard
>WAIT, there is one thing I can do to try and save those people and stop this plan
>proceeds to shoot out the windows in order to foil their plan and be labeled a phycho-killer for the rest of days.


This morning I read several confused reports of incendiary devices going off in Las Vegas. They were quickly dismissed as a mere personal homicide attempt, pointedly not terrorism.

Additionally, one of the rifles being held by the Tropicana armed team seems like an Israeli-made rifle.

[TrumanCash]

Unhurt Woman Survivor, 100% Certain There Were Multiple Ground Level Shooters In Crowd, Tells Her Horrific Story - And Is Then Found Dead In Bed (http://rense.com/general96/unhurtdies.html) [Rense.com]

http://rense.com/general96/woman1.jpg

This is a must-read account by an uninjured woman, Kymberley Suchomel, who wrote a detailed account of what she saw and heard near the stage at the beginning of the shootings and their escape to Hooters and beyond.

Kymberley, who was prone to epileptic seizures and on medication for a pituitary tumor (http://www.seacoastonline.com/zz/news/20171011/vegas-shooting-survivor-california-charity-co-founder-dies-suddenly), died on Monday, a week after the shootings. Here are some out-takes from the Rense article:

"From about 50 feet in front of us, and a little to the right, fire crackers were set off. Let me repeat that… FIRE CRACKERS WERE SET OFF. I verbally stated “some asshole just shot of fire crackers in close proximity to so many people”. I was literally pissed off. You could see Jason Aldean look to his left kind of startled by it, but he was also clearly irritated. I would say about 15 seconds later, the first volley of gunfire was released. It was a shorter volley than any of the others, and the gunfire was not as close together either. EVERYONE looked up, down, around. We thought it was more fire crackers at first, but then Ricky reached over, told us all to put our boots on, quickly. And the volley ended. Then people started to panic. The gentlemen behind me looked at me as I was putting on my boots, half laying down, and said “calm down crazy, its just fireworks, jeez”. That is when the 2nd volley went off, Ricky yelled at us all to get down, flat, & we immediately knew there was someone shooting at us...."

"But the gunfire wasn’t stopping this whole time. It wasn’t ceasing. It wasn’t slowing down. And It was directly behind us, following us. Bullets were coming from every direction. Behind us, in front of us, to the side of us. But I know, I just know, that there was someone chasing us. The entire time I felt this way. The farther we got from the venue, the closer the gunfire got. I kept looking back expecting to see the gunmen- and I say MEN because there was more than one person. There was more than one gun firing. 100% more than one...."

"I have bene watching the news non-stop since I arrived back home to my family. And it just doesn’t make sense. The story that are feeding everyone doesn’t add up to our eyewitness accounts. There is something wrong with what they are saying & the evidence seems fake if you ask me. There are multiple people stating that there was a lady towards the beginning of the evening who had made her way up to the stage warning people that we were all gunna die- her and her boyfriend were escorted off the premises. Why has she not been mentioned by authorities? Every single survivor I have talked to also remembers multiple shooters, and at least one from the ground- why aren’t we being taken more seriously? Tons of things don’t add up."

[Bill Ryan]

cCqS5X_zu-g



Boy, did he look uncomfortable. Do note the comparison, in how he endured the briefing, with the very unfortunate Jesse Marcel Sr — ordered and obliged to face the 1947 Roswell press with a story that he knew full-well was a smokescreen.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02657/jesse-marcel_2657571b.jpg

[KiwiElf]

If the 4chan leaks are true, Poddack could well be an unsung "hero" - this is coming to a head very quickly I suspect. Something's gotta give! :sherlock:

[Cidersomerset]

Info wars Rob Dew goes thru the press conferences commenting and more.........

LVPD Sheriff Visibly Shaking And Choking Up As Vegas Massacre Coverup Continues

mx9RpgD4lo8
Published on 13 Oct 2017
Infowars reporter Rob Dew analysis the Oct 13th press conference from LVPD
where no questions were answered and the public was told to shut up and listen.

====================================================
====================================================




Boy, did he look uncomfortable. Do note the comparison with the very unfortunate Jesse Marcel Sr,
ordered and obliged to face the 1947 Roswell press with a story that he knew full-well was a smokescreen.


Funny you compared this to Jesse Marcel , I did the same when the four officers
were paraded before the the press earlier , but I took it down as I thought it
did not quite fit. Though it certainly does with Sherriff Lombardo....


This felt odd to me....but they could be genuinely subdued.
https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2017-10/8/3/asset/buzzfeed-prod-fastlane-02/sub-buzz-1343-1507447811-3.jpg?
https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2017-10/2/10/asset/buzzfeed-prod-fastlane-03/sub-buzz-31364-1506955042-7.jpg?
https://www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeednews/live-updates-two-people-are-dead-as-police-investigate?utm_term=.govXPX7Ja#.tqrrzrv2d

[turiya]

https://i0.wp.com/newsaloo.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/gateway1.png?resize=480%2C340
UPDATE: Vegas Security Guard Jesus Campos Skips 5 Interviews,
Goes Missing — And Now His Family Is Under Gag Order (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10/update-vegas-security-guard-jesus-campos-skips-5-interviews-goes-missing-now-family-gag-order/)
October 13, 2017
by Jim Hoft

http://cdn.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/jesus-campos-paddock-1.jpg

Mandalay Bay security guard, Jesus Campos, was
supposed to appear on Sean Hannity’s show at 9pm EST
tonight but canceled on the Fox News host.

https://i.redditmedia.com/hfvKX3dIeGplJNFjEI5ZznXzSDoTxFJZwYN6l7roAeQ.jpg?w=432&_____________________

FOX NEWS

Las Vegas security guard Jesus Campos
disappears moments before TV interviews (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/13/las-vegas-security-guard-jesus-campos-disappears-moments-before-tv-interviews.html)

By Greg Norman, (http://www.foxnews.com/person/n/greg-norman.html)Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/)

http://a57.foxnews.com/www.foxnews.com/content/dam/fox-news/images/2017/10/13/270/152/jesus-campos.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

https://i.redditmedia.com/hfvKX3dIeGplJNFjEI5ZznXzSDoTxFJZwYN6l7roAeQ.jpg?w=432&

http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/SECURITY_GUARD_GOES_MISSING.png (https://twitter.com/ReadGodsWordOrg/status/918554108335812608)

http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/SECURITY_GUARD_LAURA_LOOMER.png

http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/SECURITY_GUARD_LAURA_LOOMER_HANNITY_RESPONSE.png (https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/918662694277976065?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2017%2F10%2Fupdate-vegas-security-guard-jesus-campos-skips-5-interviews-goes-missing-now-family-gag-order%2F)

[Bill Ryan]

I'm not aware yet of anyone drawing attention to the anomaly of a purported autopsy showing no brain abnormalities.... with his brain having (poor guy) presumably been blasted to pieces by the shot that killed him.

[Tangri]

cCqS5X_zu-g



Boy, did he look uncomfortable. Do note the comparison, in how he endured the briefing, with the very unfortunate Jesse Marcel Sr — ordered and obliged to face the 1947 Roswell press with a story that he knew full-well was a smokescreen.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02657/jesse-marcel_2657571b.jpg


Bill video is not accessible from Canada.

" The uploader has not made this video available in your country. "

[turiya]

Tucker Carlson on the Timeline... what's the significance...


Timeline
(Oct 12, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqWMrUH5TuU_______________


Laura Loomer goes to Jesus Campos' home....


Las Vegas Mandalay Bay Hero Jesus Campos Missing,
Family Won’t Talk, Sham Security Co Guarding House
(Oct 13, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP7EDht9ZQk

[Bill Ryan]

cCqS5X_zu-g



Boy, did he look uncomfortable. Do note the comparison, in how he endured the briefing, with the very unfortunate Jesse Marcel Sr — ordered and obliged to face the 1947 Roswell press with a story that he knew full-well was a smokescreen.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02657/jesse-marcel_2657571b.jpg

Bill video is not accessible from Canada.

" The uploader has not made this video available in your country. "

Also here (an Infowars analysis by Rob Dew):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx9RpgD4lo8

[Tangri]

Tor browser worked to obtain that video. Thanks

[Cidersomerset]

Laura Loomer investigative journalist was stopped from entering press conference...

Investigative Reporter Reveals Police Lied About Vegas Massacre Timeline

pqvWu4RLKtw
Published on 13 Oct 2017
Laura Loomer has aggressively dug into the details below the surface of the
Vegas Massacre.
====================================================

Las Vegas Press Conference Changes The Narrative Again!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Cise2ojC2w

Published on 13 Oct 2017
Following the trend of past press conferences, LVPD changed the timeline of
the Las Vegas Massacre once again.
====================================================

Where Is The Ballistic Evidence From The Vegas Massacre?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmQYb6abMnA
Published on 13 Oct 2017
The investigation into the Vegas shooting is piling up with more and more
unanswered questions, and hidden evidence.

[Bill Ryan]

The biggest massacre in the US happened at a Harvest festival under a pyramid



A minor correction, for the sake of history and memory. The biggest gun massacre in US history was at Wounded Knee (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wounded_Knee_Massacre), at daybreak on 29 December, 1890. No-one knows the true number slaughtered, but up to 300 Lakota were gunned down by the brave 7th Cavalry.

:focus:

[Cidersomerset]

Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
The biggest massacre in the US happened at a Harvest festival under a pyramid
A minor correction, for the sake of history and memory. The biggest gun massacre
in US history was at Wounded Knee, at daybreak on 29 December, 1890. No-one
knows the true number slaughtered, but up to 300 Lakota were gunned down by
the brave 7th Cavalry.


I do know that and there were many massacres. It is what Owen Shroyer says
near the beginning of the top vid
The biggest massacre in the US happened at a Harvest festival under a pyramid
I presume he meant in the modern era. On second thoughts the visuals did not
look right and you can see the Illuminati Las Vegas card on the vid....


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===================================================

Las Vegas sheriff gives new details on shooting timeline

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0Qj9GX51qg
Published on 13 Oct 2017...Fox News.
Sheriff Lombardo defended his investigators

====================================================

Police Revise Las Vegas Shooting Timeline — Again | NBC Nightly News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ABTktdOjAk
Published on 13 Oct 2017...NBC
Investigators now believe the gunman broke out one of the hotel windows
to shoot at airport fuel storage tanks 700 yards away.

====================================================

Tucker Carlson Tonight 10/13/17 - Tucker Carlson Fox News Today October 13, 2017
Las Vegas segment aprox 15min to 24mins....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhK810O9jqA

Published on 13 Oct 2017
Tucker Carlson Tonight 10/13/17 - Tucker Carlson Fox News October 13, 2017

[waves]

.....
LVPD Sheriff Visibly Shaking And Choking Up As Vegas Massacre Coverup Continues

mx9RpgD4lo8


I don't know how sold out this guy was before as he's likely only been given this position because he can be counted on to overlook ongoing crimes by Vegas casino swamp criminals/bigwigs, but to me, this video is every cell in his body knowing this is the lowest he's ever sunk and the worst thing he's ever been forced to do. He can barely read the scripted lies, hates that so many are probably seeing thru him and his soul is screaming why am I doing this.

It's really time for civilians to figure out Plan B considering how the police are scared to uphold the constitution and stand up to '...enemies foreign and domestic' and we haven't been able to count on them to do so for a long, long time.

[KiwiElf]

Anyone else getting the message on the above video "War Room is Now Live" (Post #541 at the top)?????? (or is that an ad for the movie??) - latest FOX newscasts now seem to be coming around - it is now "Las Vegas MYSTERY" and clearly jabbing at the ever increasing timeline changes

[ThePythonicCow]

Here's another overview map, with key locations marked on it. I started with Google maps in 3D mode, and then added labels using "Dia".

The lower resolution version, to inline here:

http://thepythoniccow.us/Google_Map_Overview_3_Las_Vegas_Small.jpg
For the higher resolution version, with labels actually large enough to be readable, click here (http://thepythoniccow.us/Google_Map_Overview_3_Las_Vegas.jpg).

I marked with the two darker arrow lines the two most likely sniper shot angles. I did not mark the main stream news sniper angle from what was allegedly Paddock's 32nd floor suite.

Many of the festival attendees fled out the back, across the street to the back tower of the Tropicana (labeled above).

I am seeing mixed reports on whether or not the main gates, going out to Las Vegas Blvd (also labeled above), where locked just before the shooting began, which would have kept more attendees in the shooting area longer.

The "Twin Towers" are two concrete towers, about 15 feet (5 meters) in diameter, and some 200 to 240 feet tall, with a stairwell inside and a few holes allowing viewing the outside from within. They are left over from a failed project to build a giant Ferris Wheel. They make a really great place for a sniper's nest, overlooking the Festival audience.

[Bill Ryan]

Anyone else getting the message on the above video "War Room is Now Live" (Post #541 at the top)?????? (or is that an ad for the movie??) -

That's the Infowars War Room — a recent new addition to their studio. :)


https://infowars.com/war-room

[Inaiá]

I can't help but notice the words: Jesus Campos. It surely adds to the mystic liguistic scenario in play.

Campos, in Portuguese, means Fields. Jesus Fields. Yeah. On the "Harvest" festival. Hmmmm.

Also, in this Vegas crime, with all its truths and lies, there have been a lot of questions about the existence, nature and actions of Jesus ( ...Fields):

1. Is he a real person at all?

2. Was Jesus the first one to get shot on the harvest (... whait, Jesus got wounded trying to save everybody?!?)

3. Another one: was Jesus the first one to shoot?

... And now, increasing the plot, Jesus disappeared. Wonder if we will hear from him 3 days from now?

On a youtube comment someone wrote it out: "Jesus C.". That makes it all more explicit.

The whole linguistic scenario brings to mind the parable of the wheat and the tares, where Jesus (Christ) says that, in the times of harvest, in the end of times, the wheat and the tares will be differentiated.

Indeed, in this strange and hard times we have increasingly shown our true nature. People are choosing either to openly embrace the search for truth or to deceive their selves and their fellow men.

Jesus, the Christ, is with us. Let's be with him. (Please do feel confortable to substitute in this sentence the word Jesus with what/whom you know of highest nature in life. Thank you).

[Inaiá]

I urge everyone to read this article Cidersomerset linked to below. That guy nails it!! It's short and sweet and profound.




WAKING TIMES...

The Choose-Your-Own-Reality Theory of Terror, Mass Shootings and Spiritual Warfare

http://www.wakingtimes.com/2017/10/06/choose-reality-theory-terror-mass-shootings-spiritual-warfare/



To use musical parlance, when the thread starts to dry or reach its natural end, this would serve as the perfect 'set closer'. A brilliant piece of writing by Dylan Charles - wonderful find @Cidersomerset

Can't recomend it enough. Thanks, Cider. And thanks and hugs to all you, fellow truth seekers. Nasu, be well.

You know, to this linked text we could perfectly add a comment I read a while ago in a national article about the coup d'etat* we are going through here in Brazil:

"The coup is not against the democracy. The coup is against our sanity". The person nailed it, and so does the link above.

The ups and downs on the brazilian coup narrative have been so many and of such a frantic nature that it motivaded this tweet from the House of Cards official account: "Hard to compete with". Inside joke, i guess. http://plus55.com/brazil-culture/2017/05/house-of-cards-joke-brazil-corruption

Anyways, we know it's the old human being figthing haaaard, not willing to let go of his ancient sick privileges in favor of a newer version of himself.

But it shall do it in vain. Light will rise.

*Coup d'etat in Brazil, in brief**: Legitimate presidents were unjustly deposed/convicted (Dilma/Lula). Illegitmate people (Temer, banks, big corporations, international organisms) have infiltrated/taken over the presidency, the midia and the courts, and they are taking away all the positive things that our society has conquered over time: work rigths, retirement rigths, educational rigths, solid companies, natural resources... They are dismantling the country at a fast pace.

To read more about the ongoing coup in Brazil, see: https://theintercept.com/2016/09/23/brazils-president-michel-temer-says-rousseff-was-impeached-for-refusing-his-economic-agenda/

**Obs.: Not wanting to digress the thread. Just sharing info to show the patern of the attacks we've been sufering and to reinforce how big and important this fight is.

[ThePythonicCow]

Well, well, well ...

We've (well, myself at least) have already concluded that the dead body in the room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay isn't the alleged Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock.

That leads to the question: If Stephen Paddock isn't dead (at least not there), where is he?

It seems that Miles Mathis (one of the more "out of the box" thinkers that I enjoy following) has found Stephen Paddock!

Stephen Paddock is alive and well and residing at 320 Hammock Dunes Place, Orlando, Florida, 32828.

You've probably seen him on mainstream news media this last week or two:

http://thepythoniccow.us/Steven_aka_Eric_Paddock.jpg
That's right - if Miles is right, the one claiming to be Eric, Stephen's brother, is actually Stephen, alive and well, and he never had a brother Eric.

Here's what Miles has to say about this, from his latest paper Las Vegas Hoax (updated) (pdf) (http://mileswmathis.com/lasveg.pdf):

===========

Addendum October 12, 2017:

OK, I finally got around to watching extensive video of Stephen Paddock's alleged brother Eric. The first time I watched it, I couldn't watch past about 20 seconds, because I could tell he was lying and acting. I didn't want to watch that.

However, something told me to go back and give it a second look. This time I simply looked closely at him, without paying attention to the lies spewing from his mouth. I'm glad I did, because it soon dawned on me that this guy Eric matched the pictures we have been given of Stephen Paddock.

It's the same guy, folks! I see no difference between him and his alleged brother. They just took pictures of this guy, whoever he is, and posted him as his fake brother.

That's why his eyes are closed in the main picture posted by the mainstream: they don't want you to notice he is the same guy as Eric Paddock. They don't want you to make the match I finally made. Remember, when they block someone's identity in a photo, what do they do? They put a black bar across the eyes, right? That is enough to keep you from making an identity, in most cases. The main recognition is in the eyes. Well, they fooled most people, but they didn't fool me.

That would explain why Josh found that if you do a people search on Stephen Paddock of Mesquite, NV, you get pictures of a guy who looks nothing like either brother. See the first link above. It also explains why if you search on Stephen Craig Paddock of Nevada, age 64, at Intelius.com, you find Stephen has no brother named Eric. His only relatives are given as Peggy and Bruce. And if you search the same site for Eric Paddock of Nevada, age 57, you do find one, but he isn't related to any of these people.

http://thepythoniccow.us/Stephen_Craig_Paddock_Intelius.jpg
They have pulled an Adam Lanza on you here, my friends. Remember, I showed you Adam Lanza of the Sandy Hook Hoax never existed. They simply manipulated photos of his brother Ryan Lanza. Same thing here.

Want proof? OK:

http://thepythoniccow.us/Stephen_Paddock_CBSNews.jpg

http://thepythoniccow.us/Stephen_Paddock_ABCNews.jpg
Two mainstream photos tagged as Stephen Paddock, the first from CBSnews, the second from ABCnews. What to notice in the first one: crooked mouth, tending to go up on your left. Nose also slopes to your left. What to notice in second one: small mole on cheek to your right. You have to look closely, since it is not dark or raised, but it is right in the middle of the cheek.

http://thepythoniccow.us/Eric_Paddock_LVRJ.jpg
That is from the Las Vegas Review-Journal, and as you see from the subtext, it is tagged Eric Paddock. Let's see: crooked mouth raising to your left, check; nose sloping to your left, check; faint mole middle of cheek to your right, check. Also note the dent between his eyebrows, closer to the eyebrow to your right. We see the same thing on Stephen Paddock. Even identical twins wouldn't have moles in the same place like this. We simply have the same guy playing both parts. He didn't even bother to shave cleanly or cut his hair differently. This is how much they respect your ability to read faces.

Another thing you can notice now that we are done. In both pictures of Stephen Paddock, he has no eyebrows. But in both pictures, the area of the eyebrows looks retouched. It is blurrier or the wrong color. This indicates they removed the eyebrows in the photos to throw you off. You also go to eyebrows for an identity, but here you can't do that. We had to look at more subtle things, didn't we?

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Now there is one thing that doesn't match Miles theory: the most widely used image of Stephen Paddock shows him with the tattoo "13" on his neck:

http://thepythoniccow.us/Paddock_with_girlfriend.jpg
However ... on the third hand ... there's discussion on the Internet, such as here ("") that the above widely used image is heavily photoshopped. Notice the blurring of his upper neck into his beard, and the blurring out of his eyebrows (just as Miles Mathis noted that the other two images he used of Stephen to also have blurred out eyebrows.) Notice also the girlfriend's elbow, on the arm closest to the camera. It is a straight horizontal line at the bottom, missing the usual elbow point. It's a bit odd as well that Paddock is wearing one shirt sleeve long, and the other apparently rolled up some.

So quite possibly that "13" neck tattoo was photoshopped into that widely used image of Stephen. Also notice that the other pair of main stream news images for Stephen Paddock, that Miles included from CBS and ABC in his paper above do not have that "13" neck tattoo.

So I doubt that Stephen Paddock, aka Eric Paddock, ever had a "13" neck tattoo :), and, in line with some comments from Scott Binsack that I quoted in an earlier post above, the corpse shown us on the floor of the 32nd floor room of the Mandalay Bay is not Paddock, and had been dead too long for the timeline.

[ThePythonicCow]

WAKING TIMES...

The Choose-Your-Own-Reality Theory of Terror, Mass Shootings and Spiritual Warfare

October 6, 2017
Dylan Charles editor...

Waking Times
By now, every possible angle of the Las Vegas shooting has been expounded upon
by anyone with a website or a YouTube channel.

Hah - never - we're still coming up with new twists to the plot :).

If this is anything like 9/11 or the JFK assassination, the twists and turns will continue for many decades.

See for example my latest twist, posted just above, in which Stephen Paddock lives on, under the name Eric.

[Limor Wolf]

Notice to agents and principles:


Let it be known, we, Planet Earth citizens and sovereigns beings on behalf of humanity declare that we are the ones responsible for our own reality, waking up from a long coerced slumber, and DO NOT CONSENT for any Amnesia, Structures of interference, constructs of virtual deceptions that are being overlayed within programmed scenarios, WE DO NOT CONSENT for people, 'time', weather, frequencies and reality being scripted and operated like a video game over the ORIGINAL no script conscious CREATION of neutral and natural movement, by any force, energy, being, deity, simulation machine, virus, Artificial intelligence, any type of form, structure, energy whatsoever, whensoever or wheresoever. This IS Universal Law, This IS the LAW and this IS our LAW within all simulation game

'What will turn it on, will turn it off' 'what will turn it on, will turn it off', 'what will turn it on, will turn it off'
In all that is simulation. And so it IS

Many Blessings ~

Limor

[KiwiElf]

WAKING TIMES...

The Choose-Your-Own-Reality Theory of Terror, Mass Shootings and Spiritual Warfare

October 6, 2017
Dylan Charles editor...

Waking Times
By now, every possible angle of the Las Vegas shooting has been expounded upon
by anyone with a website or a YouTube channel.

Hah - never - we're still coming up with new twists to the plot :).

If this is anything like 9/11 or the JFK assassination, the twists and turns will continue for many decades.

See for example my latest twist, posted just above, in which Stephen Paddock lives on, under the name Eric.

Somehow, I don't think that this time, we'll have to wait that long - call it a "gut feeling" ;)

[Cidersomerset]

Coincidence ......

Las Vegas massacre survivor dies abruptly after posting her detailed
eyewitness account of multiple shooters on Facebook

Andrew Cheetham ...D.Icke.com
35 minutes ago

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https://www.intellihub.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/logo-red.png

Las Vegas massacre survivor dies abruptly after posting her detailed
eyewitness account of multiple shooters on Facebook

By Shepard Ambellas -
October 13, 2017

Las Vegas shooting eyewitness turns up dead days after posting her
highly detailed account of the massacre on Facebook claiming ‘100%
more than one’ shooter

(INTELLIHUB) 'A woman by the name Kymberley Suchomel, 28, who
attended the Oct. 1 Route 91 Harvest Music Festival, passed away
Monday at her Apple Valley home just days after she had survived
the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history unscathed,
reports say. Suchomel, who posted her eyewitness account of the
Las Vegas massacre in astonishingly vivid detail to her Facebook
page on Oct. 4, subsequently passed away in her home on Oct.
9 from what reports are claiming were ‘natural causes.’

Shockingly just days before her death, Suchomel posted key details
about the shooting to Facebook contradicting the official narrative
that Stephen Paddock is a lone gunman.'

Read more: Las Vegas massacre survivor dies abruptly after posting
her detailed eyewitness account of multiple shooters on Facebook
https://www.intellihub.com/las-vegas-massacre-survivor-dies-abruptly-after-posting-eyewitness-account/

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The experts are not going to speculate other than what the police says....

Vegas sheriff gets emotional, clarifies shooting timeline

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeHC_73gJwA

Published on 13 Oct 2017...Fox news...
Reaction on 'Fox News Tonight' after the Las Vegas sheriff
holds a news conference on the shooting investigation.

[Cidersomerset]

This is a follow up to the previous vid and the acoustic forensic analyst
suggests at least two shooters , though there could be more.....

Previous video....

Health Ranger demands FBI stop lying about Las Vegas shooting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc6GcViB-Sk
Published on 7 Oct 2017
The FBI is clearly lying about the Las Vegas shooting, which is why Americans
increasingly don't trust the FBI and increasingly believe the agency is involved in a
massive criminal cover-up.


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FBI knows there was a SECOND shooter at the Las Vegas massacre

NATURAL NEWS...by Mike Adams
3u-u3w0Fzx0

Published on 13 Oct 2017
Thanks to the acoustic forensic analysis I've publicly posted, the FBI now knows
there was a second shooter at the Las Vegas massacre. The math is undeniable,
and the acoustic analysis proves the existence of a second shooter. Here's a
summary of the analysis

[turiya]

Scott Binsack Publishes another Las Vegas Shooting Report....


WHO IS THE VEGAS FBI HIDING ON THE 47TH FLOOR
OF MGM VDARA? / SECOND SHOOTER ARRESTED
(Oct 14, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWA8o2FSKbU
Published on Oct 14, 2017

BREAKING NEW LAS VEGAS EXCLUSIVE EVIDENCE: 10/14/2017 Tonight's private MFA Underground show with MFA - March For America Founder/CEO "Scott J Binsack"... "WHO IS THE VEGAS FBI HIDING ON THE 47TH FLOOR OF VDARA? / SECOND SHOOTER ARRESTED" Scott Binsack shares more exclusive evidence given to him by his sources in Las Vegas that the FBI since October 2nd has been hiding out a mystery man on the 47th floor of the MGM Vdara Hotel and Spa in Las Vegas under heavy guard and an alias name in the MGM guest registry system.

Scott further confirms that MGM Resorts got served with its first victim legal action and has ordered all MGM employees on a gag order not to speak to anyone concerning the October 1st, 2017 Harvest Shooting Massacre.

Scott then goes on to explain his sources in the federal government have confirmed that Scott Edminsten arrested on October 2nd in the State of Tennessee with a large weapons cache while speeding is tied to Stephen Paddock and that MSM is deliberately not reporting on this major arrest and gun seizures.

He further goes into the possibility that alleged Mandalay Bay Security Guard Jesus Campos may be an FBI Agent undercover at the time of Stephen Paddock's shooting. A show not to miss!! Check out: "Johnson City man "Scott A. Edmisten" arrested after deputies find automatic weapons, 900+ rounds of ammo in stop" http://wjhl.com/2017/10/02/wcso-johns... More Info: Agents search home of Johnson City man found with automatic weapons, ammo" http://wjhl.com/2017/10/03/nearby-hou... Join MFA Underground Today: http://shopmfa.org

[Tintin]

The biggest massacre in the US happened at a Harvest festival under a pyramid



A minor correction, for the sake of history and memory. The biggest gun massacre in US history was at Wounded Knee (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wounded_Knee_Massacre), at daybreak on 29 December, 1890. No-one knows the true number slaughtered, but up to 300 Lakota were gunned down by the brave 7th Cavalry.

:focus:

Thanks for mentioning that. Same thought crossed my mind shortly after we were alerted to this LV awfulness.

[Marikins]

Well, well, well ...
...

Now there is one thing that doesn't match Miles theory: the most widely used image of Stephen Paddock shows him with the tattoo "13" on his neck:

However ... on the third hand ... there's discussion on the Internet, such as here ("") that the above widely used image is heavily photoshopped. Notice the blurring of his upper neck into his beard, and the blurring out of his eyebrows (just as Miles Mathis noted that the other two images he used of Stephen to also have blurred out eyebrows.) Notice also the girlfriend's elbow, on the arm closest to the camera. It is a straight horizontal line at the bottom, missing the usual elbow point. It's a bit odd as well that Paddock is wearing one shirt sleeve long, and the other apparently rolled up some.

So quite possibly that "13" neck tattoo was photoshopped into that widely used image of Stephen. Also notice that the other pair of main stream news images for Stephen Paddock, that Miles included from CBS and ABC in his paper above do not have that "13" neck tattoo.

So I doubt that Stephen Paddock, aka Eric Paddock, ever had a "13" neck tattoo :), and, in line with some comments from Scott Binsack that I quoted in an earlier post above, the corpse shown us on the floor of the 32nd floor room of the Mandalay Bay is not Paddock, and had been dead too long for the timeline.

Fascinating, Paul! The image of Stephen Paddock with the girlfriend does seem heavily Photoshopped. I don't think that is a '13' tattoo no matter what anybody says, but rather a botched attempt to age the neckline, to give a turkey twaddle, if you will. From blowing it up it looks like they brushed in the crease lines then applied a blur.

If this theory is true (and I like it because the brother gives a trickster vibe) that would mean:

1. The girlfriend, her sister and sister's boyfriend knew Eric as 'Stephen' or they are all knowing members of the conspiracy.
2. The FBI, LVPD and medical examiner are all in on it (duh) because they know the fingerprints of the body don't match a fictitious person.
3. Birth records would not exist for Stephen, or they would be fraudulent.
4. Eric's kids have never met their 'Uncle Stephen' as Eric claimed they had.
5. Eric is the one who bought the house in the active retirement community and filled it with guns.
6. Neighbors in the retirement community actually saw Eric and girlfriend load cars and it was Eric who sat in the driveway and waved at passing neighbors.
7. It was Eric who had the slip and fall accident in the LV hotel and sued in 2011.

Number 7 is my problem because the guy in the hotel slip and fall video moves older and seems taller than Eric. https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/las-vegas-shooting/casino-security-video-shows-vegas-shooter-2011-n807016?cid=eml_onsite

Also I would avoid suing others if I were an undercover operative.
But, could Stephen have been told to beat it so brother Eric could begin this fictional Stephen a couple of years ago so he could control the narrative?

[Noelle]

Well, well, well ...

We've (well, myself at least) have already concluded that the dead body in the room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay isn't the alleged Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock.

That leads to the question: If Stephen Paddock isn't dead (at least not there), where is he?

It seems that Miles Mathis (one of the more "out of the box" thinkers that I enjoy following) has found Stephen Paddock!

Stephen Paddock is alive and well and residing at 320 Hammock Dunes Place, Orlando, Florida, 32828.

Definitely a wild twist to this story. I found the below photo, showing the brothers together. From the NY Daily News, the caption reads, "An undated photo showing Eric Paddock (l.) with his brother, Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock." I don't have good photo/image software, so if someone wants to analyze it.

A side note: A few years ago, one of my neighbors was arrested for peeping into windows and watching women undress. After he was arrested, we learned that he was a Mexican citizen in the USA illegally and was using the name/identity of his deceased brother.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.3536907.1506975869!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/las-vegas-shooting.jpg

[Hervé]

[...]
... Notice also the girlfriend's elbow, on the arm closest to the camera. It is a straight horizontal line at the bottom, missing the usual elbow point. It's a bit odd as well that Paddock is wearing one shirt sleeve long, and the other apparently rolled up some.
[...]
... that looks like the girl friend's elbow is dug into his right thigh and some pant's fold make for the straight line...

Anyway, then, there's this one too:




[...]
Exactly... a lookalike... & if Hervé's earlier post #289 of the body is also a lookalike - (not Paddock) - then where is Paddock? :confused:
He might be still gambling in Atlantic City...

From Jim Stone (http://82.221.129.208/.zx0.html):
BUSTED: STEVEN PADDOCK IS MOST LIKELY ALIVE (http://82.221.129.208/.zx0.html)

Someone claims to have shot a clandestine video of him gambling at Hurrah's in Atlantic City New Jersy on October 6, and I gotta say, this deserves some attention. His brother slipped up on national television and said he is alive. THAT COULD BE A SLIP UP, BUT WHAT ABOUT THIS:

CONTEXT: A man at the same gambling table with him noticed who he was and carefully recorded a crystal clear 18 second video of him gambling with his philipino girlfriend. "Paddock and his girlfriend" were seated side by side, across the table from him at an angle. I'd say that philipino chick next to him certainly adds some perspective. The guy shooting the video was smart about it, and at the same time got the Casino's activity schedule with a date of October 6 in the video also, to tag a known date on the video. I was skeptical about what people were posting until I finally got ahold of the video, and I have to say, this should be posted.

So how deep does the rabbit hole go? YOU DECIDE I GUESS, I have also cached this video on this web site to keep it from getting green pilled. You can right click it to save it yourself.

Ok, first take a look at this video. (http://82.221.129.208/spatlantic.mp4)There are better copies of this out there, but this will do when I have already burned a pile of bandwidth this month.

Then take a look at this photo and explain it.


http://82.221.129.208/explainthis.jpg

Seriously. Explain that. I HAVE NOT MADE A SPECIFIC CLAIM PADDOCK IS ALIVE. HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE AN EXPLANATION OF THIS, PLEASE.

[Hervé]

Fritz Springmeier's Take on Las Vegas (from his Facebook Page) (https://www.henrymakow.com/)

By Fritz Springmeier October 12, 2017

Apparently he lives in Las Vegas now.



https://www.henrymakow.com/upload_images/FS.jpg
Fritz Artz Springmeier October 9 at 2:10pm ·


VEGAS MASSACRE MEGA THOUGHTS:
Reflections on ignored clues. (9 OCT '17)

This article is providing my thoughts on the Vegas Harvest massacre. Earlier this year around May-June, I was tracking how ISIS was declaring Vegas would be attacked and were training operatives to attack it. (May 21st, 2017, there was a warning by an ISIS video declaring their desire to attack Vegas.) The Vegas police back then even made a press conference on the possibility.

In the early 90's, I was writing about how the Illuminati had taken over Las Vegas from the mob and rebuilt the strip. I made a trip to Vegas to view the changes in person. A few years later, I received the black & white cards to the Illuminati card game, and then later received the color cards when the artwork was upgraded.

One of the Illuminati cards was the Las Vegas card which had a Jack & Ace cards in spades...which is a good Blackjack hand. That particular card is now significant in light of the recent massacre...for the performer on stage where the massacre occurred was Jason Aldean, who had a Jack & Ace (in spades) cards tattooed on his arm. An eerie coincidence. And Jason Aldean is a proponent for gun control, another good coincidence for those wanting to control guns.

This article will present some of my thoughts on how I had come into contact with various clues and did not put them together.

ACADEMI. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academi)
In 2014, I did a few articles on the Illuminati death squads, and how Illuminati members were a majority shareholder of Academi after 2010. In 2014, the Illuminati requested that Eric Prince send 400 mercenaries to the Ukraine. Academi has financial holders from the Prince Group, the Middle East (Olive Group), and the Illuminati. The Constellis Group which has ties to the Olive Group, the Illuminati and other groups, brings skilled people to Academi. Contractors associated with Academi are reported to have been in Vegas at the time of the shooting.

MANDALAY RESORT GROUP.
In 2005, MGM Mirage and Mandalay Resort Group were merged. Caesars Entertainment Corp. owns and operates both casino/resorts, and Caesars Entertainment, and is in turn majority owned by Apollo Global Management (with assets of $3.5 billion) has Illuminati investors.

HOW THE CLUES COULD FIT.
If the Illuminati (people like Soros, Rockefellers, & others) were wanting to create a mass massacre to help anti-gun legislation where would be a good place to stage it? It would be a place they controlled, which would also be a believable/likely spot for Islamic terrorism. Considering our shadow government is behind ISIS, that in itself was a good clue that Vegas was a target picked by the shadow govt./Illuminati. I should have realized that the ISIS propaganda that they would assault Vegas, was a good clue that the shadow govt./Illuminati would stage a gun attack on the public.

CONNECTIONS OF PADDOCK TO INTELLIGENCE.
Numerous things are surfacing that connect Paddock to our CIA. His plane now belongs to Volant LLC, a CIA front. He has been connected to CIA gun running to ISIS type groups in America. A thin cell battery (CP502520) a Li-Mn02 non rechargeable battery used by Special Forces and the CIA was found in the Paddock Mandalay hotel room...and after the FBI investigated the GM engineer who had created that battery to learn why it might be in the room, the engineer John Beilman, was found dead with his daughter...and the shotgun shot to the back of the head ruled a suicide.

As I mentioned earlier Paddock worked for a predecessor of Lockheed Martin. People have also been looking into Paddock's strange finances. A spook insider "John" was warning on Sept. 11, that "Las Vegas was on their minds" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100040-Active-shooter-in-Las-Vegas-59-dead-546-injured&p=1183836&viewfull=1#post1183836)for a "high incident project". Then there is the strange news brief posted in Israel (on 2/10/17 at 1:19 p.m) which was at 3 a.m. Vegas-time (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100040-Active-shooter-in-Las-Vegas-59-dead-546-injured&p=1183687&viewfull=1#post1183687) which claimed that the Vegas killer was a Moslem "Samir al-Hajib". And then there were the two people warning about the shooting just prior to it happening, and being taken into custody by casino security...which seemed to be either absent or inactive during the shooting.
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[Noelle]

Google Trends is showing a very steep decline in interest in this massacre. Then, again, how trustworthy is Google?

Search terms that I used, looking at the 30-day trends:

Shooting in Las Vegas (https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%201-m&q=shooting%20in%20las%20vegas)

Stephen Paddock (https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%201-m&q=stephen%20paddock)

[neutronstar]

Google Trends is showing a very steep decline in interest in this massacre. Then, again, how trustworthy is Google?

Search terms that I used, looking at the 30-day trends:

Shooting in Las Vegas (https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%201-m&q=shooting%20in%20las%20vegas)

Stephen Paddock (https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%201-m&q=stephen%20paddock)

Most people probably buy the official story. I think most people are too consumed with their own lives to look into things deeply. Although people are waking up, I think it is still a small percentage of the population.

[Satori]

Google Trends is showing a very steep decline in interest in this massacre. Then, again, how trustworthy is Google?

Search terms that I used, looking at the 30-day trends:

Shooting in Las Vegas (https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%201-m&q=shooting%20in%20las%20vegas)

Stephen Paddock (https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%201-m&q=stephen%20paddock)

Most people probably buy the official story. I think most people are too consumed with their own lives to look into things deeply. Although people are waking up, I think it is still a small percentage of the population.

None of us. I repeat, none of us, know what went down that night with any degree of accuracy.

The only "people" (plural) who know anything purely relevant to this event, are those who carried out what occurred that night in Vegas. And, even much of what they planned did not go according to the program they put in place. That's the way it always is. Chaos theory. Unintended consequences. Etc. Thus, even one of "them" could not tell anyone the minor details, even if he/she wanted to truthfully tell us the major details, or the big picture as he/she understood it. And, because operations like this are so compartmentalized (need to know, plausible deniability.....), no one involved in the operation could provide a complete picture even if he or she wanted to.

I grow increasingly weary of all of the speculation over not only the operational program executed in Vegas, but also in connection with 9/11, the California fires, the recent hurricanes, JFK, and other significant and societal-altering programs. ( I us the word "program" for a reason. A program is much more than a plan. When you go to a play, or other event, they do not give you a plan when you arrive. They give you a program. A program includes the venue, the time, the script, the choreography, actors/players, etc... A program is way beyond a plan.)

Further, just because a person can conceive of a scenario and present it on this forum or elsewhere in a seemingly persuasive manner, e.g. Miles Mathis, does not mean he or she is correct or even close to the truth. There is far too much disinformation and fear being spread around, both intentionally and unintentionally or unwittingly. That too is part of the program.

We will never, never know the truth regarding the details of this tragic event or any other such event. (For the record, I do believe that this event is both fake and real. That is one way they have adjusted the program.) For we, the people, to know the truth is far above our pay grade, as we, the people, are not listed in the program.

I respectfully submit that the details of a specific event are relatively unimportant. It is that these events occur at all that is important. Focusing on details is striking at the branches. That is misdirection and distraction, and far too many of us are falling for it.

We need to strike at the root, as that is where the cause will be found. Most members of this forum, and many who visit it, know where the root is. "Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country." And, yes, I mean men. Where are the men?

[Hervé]

About those "details" and their intended role:

The Las Vegas Massacre: The Media Narrative is Deceptive (https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-las-vegas-massacre-the-media-narrative-is-deceptive/5612247)

By Edward Curtin (https://www.globalresearch.ca/author/edward-curtin) Global Research, October 07, 2017


https://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Las-Vegas-massacre-400x257.jpg


“Cram them full of non-combustible data, chock them so damned full of ‘facts’ they feel stuffed, but absolutely brilliant with information. Then they’ll feel they’re thinking, they’ll get a sense of motion without moving.”
– Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451, 1951

“It is not only information that they need-in the age of Fact, information often dominates their attention and overwhelms their capacities to assimilate it….What they need , and what they feel they need , is a quality of mind that will help them to use information and to develop reason in order to achieve lucid summations of what is going on in the world and of what may be happening within themselves.”
– C. Wright Mills, The Sociological Imagination, 1959
The main stream media’s (MSM) ongoing narrative of the massacre in Las Vegas is clearly deceptive. This is nothing new. That is their modus operandi. Overwhelm people with a glut of information about a terrible tragedy and all becomes clear to people sick-at-heart over the deaths and injuries to innocent people. But it’s a false clarity engendered to confuse. Tell the story big and loud, and tell it repetitively from different angles, and it becomes hard to think straight, especially with the addition of all the sad stories of the innocent victims’ deaths and injuries. Who can forget the false official narrative that was spun amid the grief for all the innocent victims of the attacks of September 11, 2001. Few could think straight at the time.

The MSM tells us in detail about Stephen Paddock’s gambling life, his houses and real estate dealings, how much he paid for them, his gun collection numbering 47, including all those in his hotel room (23), the alleged exact number of rounds he had in his car (1,600), how he shot from his hotel room windows, etc. We are told what his brother and girlfriend say about him: they are shocked; he was just a regular guy; they can’t explain it. We are told how he got the room gratis, how long he stayed there, and that he was planning to escape (they say this with a straight face). Told how many people died (59) and how many were injured (527), we remember these numbers vaguely, especially the latter. A regular person just feels overwhelmed by all the information, the numbers; saddened and depressed for all the victims, and more afraid.

What the media do not say is that there is video and witness evidence that there were at least two more shooters, maybe more, one from a lower floor and another at the Bellagio Hotel that was locked down. This means that there was a conspiracy involved. They don’t mention this so that someone like me can do so and be branded a “conspiracy theorist,” the term created by the CIA to besmirch anyone questioning the official narrative of the JFK assassination. You will notice that I am not – purposefully – linking to this evidence that I assert exists, nor am I raising more of the many questions surrounding this case.

I am hoping that readers will research these matters themselves, and if they discover that there is evidence proving that there was more than one shooter, then, just as with the magic bullet absurdity in the JFK case, they will conclude, ipso facto, that the MSM are involved in a cover-up of a conspiracy, which is itself a conspiracy – a factual conspiracy, not a conspiracy theory. And if that is so, they will ask why, and who is being protected. Cui bono? Why would the MSM push this narrative of the lonely crazed gunman?
People need to realize that they must be immediately skeptical of such official narratives and do their own research, and they will learn that there are excellent alternative websites that are doing real journalism and are seeking truth for truth’s sake.

While this brief article is not a “lucid summation,” as Mills suggested we need, I offer it as a concise provocation to anyone reading this to develop their own sociological imaginations to achieve such lucidity at a time when propaganda is king and the pawns are being swept off the devil’s chessboard.

One might end up asking: Who’s the devil? And answering their own question?

Edward Curtin is a writer whose work has appeared widely. He teaches sociology at Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts. His website is http://edwardcurtin.com/ (http://edwardcurtin.com/)


Featured image is from NPR (http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2017/10/03/gettyimages-856745086_custom-7cef574ec9fb04b067039bedf077e9a9238ac83e-s900-c85.jpg).

The original source of this article is Global Research
Copyright © Edward Curtin (https://www.globalresearch.ca/author/edward-curtin), Global Research, 2017

[neutronstar]

Google Trends is showing a very steep decline in interest in this massacre. Then, again, how trustworthy is Google?

Search terms that I used, looking at the 30-day trends:

Shooting in Las Vegas (https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%201-m&q=shooting%20in%20las%20vegas)

Stephen Paddock (https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%201-m&q=stephen%20paddock)

Most people probably buy the official story. I think most people are too consumed with their own lives to look into things deeply. Although people are waking up, I think it is still a small percentage of the population.

None of us. I repeat, none of us, know what went down that night with any degree of accuracy.



I never said anything about knowing what actually happened.

I do know for certain that the official story is BS. There were multi shooters. I heard that with my own ears so yes, the official story is wrong.

Most people will believe the official story and because of that, we will never know what actually happened because there will never be a true investigation. But that does not mean that by doing a little investigation over the internet that you can't figure out the official story is wrong.

[TrumanCash]

Here's the latest from Scott Binsack today:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWA8o2FSKbU

Published on Oct 14, 2017
BREAKING NEW LAS VEGAS EXCLUSIVE EVIDENCE:
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[Satori]

Google Trends is showing a very steep decline in interest in this massacre. Then, again, how trustworthy is Google?

Search terms that I used, looking at the 30-day trends:

Shooting in Las Vegas (https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%201-m&q=shooting%20in%20las%20vegas)

Stephen Paddock (https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%201-m&q=stephen%20paddock)

Most people probably buy the official story. I think most people are too consumed with their own lives to look into things deeply. Although people are waking up, I think it is still a small percentage of the population.

None of us. I repeat, none of us, know what went down that night with any degree of accuracy.



I never said anything about knowing what actually happened.

I do know for certain that the official story is BS. There were multi shooters. I heard that with my own ears so yes, the official story is wrong.

Most people will believe the official story and because of that, we will never know what actually happened because there will never be a true investigation. But that does not mean that by doing a little investigation over the internet that you can't figure out the official story is wrong.

I did not quote your post because I felt you had. Rather, I quoted your post as a nice lead into what I wanted to add. I did not mean or intend anything beyond that. We are all on edge here, and not just because of Vegas. That, too, is part of the program.

[ThePythonicCow]

I respectfully submit that the details of a specific event are relatively unimportant.
I have found the details, even though they are ever changing, confusing and conficting, to be useful in getting a sense of "what is behind the curtain."

For example, we who are looking into this are confident by now that there were multiple trained shooters, that this was a planned and organized event, and that this is a controlled coverup. It involves portions of the US government, with portions of the main stream media and Las Vegas police at least complicit. Much local evidence and witness testimony is being suppressed from wide spread public view. Also the event has too many Satanic/Luciferian/Illuminati overtones to be overlooked.

The overall scope and nature of the details help us identify the hidden roots of the forces/actors/groups/whatever behind the events.

... but yes ... such tossing of ever changing and dubious details back and forth also serves as a distraction, and also drives away "ordinary common thinking people" from giving any further consideration to this insanity (such as the tin foil hat conspiracy theory nut cases that sometimes include myself <grin>.)

There is some serious, pervasive, ever adapting, individual and population mind control and propaganda going on here, in a number of ways.

This is a mind and spirit, individual and collective consciousness, space in which this war is being conducted.

It is being conducted: on the individual physical levels of our health, food, and water, medicine, disease, clothing, homes, jobs, families, ...
on the physical levels of our civilizations technologies (surveillance, communication, propulsion, transportation, energy, weapons, ...),
on the group levels of our civilizations organizations (schools, governments, churches, NGO's, corporations, ...),
across an ever changing variety of major races, creeds and cultures,
likely involving multiple alien species and civilizations who have traveled between the stars,
over likely vast eons of time extending far beyond the limits of the "recorded history" of which we are publicly told.
By my unusual philosophy, as I've mentioned before, the "universe" is a partial ordering of self-organizing, self-perpetuating layers, from the lowest etheric (sub-sub-atomic) levels to the highest ethereal (spiritual) levels. We seem to be engaged in a sort of 3D game of chess, across many of these levels at the same time.

Unfortunately, the power of my words, whether within my internal "mind chatter" or committed to the page for others to read, seems forever trapped, at any instant in time, in one or another small cul-de-sac of this immense battle field.

How should we proceed?

[Cidersomerset]

This is the only mainstream news report posted today I can see on the usual
links, though it is really just recapping yesterdays info. What clearly stands
out and is one of the reasons I bother to post mainstream news reports is
that there is virtually no investigative journalism in any of them just reporting
on police statements. Gone are the days of journalists getting down and dirty they
just stand and look pretty in front of the camera. This is not new of course but
it really stands out in this case particularly as the official info is vague and
contradictory. None of them are going to real experts and analysing the numerous
vids like the alternate news and citizens are doing.

The experts they do have on are to scared to report what is talked about on
social media and if they did ,they are accused of peddling conspiracy
theories , yes they have the media and law tied up in threats ,legal babble
and secrecy. There is such a divide on many of these events from the official
story and alternate sources and so far the mainstream tow the establishment
line as most are owned by the same corporate elites that are manipulating
these false flag and distractions to set up their various on going wars and
agendas...

I know most on here will know this already I am just making it clear for any
new people looking in or those unsure and wonder why I post them. This
does not apply to all threads and topics and some mainstream reports are
good and provide contrast and focus on other subjects.


Shift in the Las Vegas shooting timeline raises questions about police response

_YoCNVAHqU0

Published on 14 Oct 2017
Las Vegas police once again revised their timeline of the shooting at the Mandalay
Bay Resort and Casino in a press conference on Friday. CBS News correspondent
Jamie Yuccas joins CBSN with the latest.

[ThePythonicCow]

Further, just because a person can conceive of a scenario and present it on this forum or elsewhere in a seemingly persuasive manner, e.g. Miles Mathis, does not mean he or she is correct or even close to the truth. There is far too much disinformation and fear being spread around, both intentionally and unintentionally or unwittingly. That too is part of the program.

I will confess now, here, for the first time, that I am becoming disenchanged with Miles Mathis' work.

Miles also has a fair bit of work in the area of fundamental physics ... what should replace the quantum mechanics and relativity that have dominated main stream physics for the last century.

I am better equipped to evaluate discussions in the area of physics, and have abandoned Miles' work there some time ago. I found it initially intriguing, and he has a gift for "thinking outside the box", but what I saw as the fundamental flaws of his methods, approach, and core concepts eventually discouraged me from pursuing his physics efforts further.

In the area of "conspiracy theories and the geneology of the corrupt families", I have contined to follow Miles' work ... but the limitations of his approach and the frequency of what seem to be distracting errors are starting to overwhelm my interest in him.

[Satori]

Paul asked: "How should we proceed?"

We proceed henceforth by refusing to feed the "Creature from Jekyll Island." And any other central banking and confiscatory taxing system.

All it takes is that elusive critical mass to starve the creature. Then, many other people will follow and eventually all will benefit. But, this will not be easy and things will get much worse before they get better. That is the way humanity develops, it seems. "We gotta go back."

But, they will not go lightly and not without a fight. However, once we begin to starve the creature, they will have to show their true colors and come out of the dark. We will then see them, much like cockroaches. But, then we will also see and know them in their immediate manifestations as they send there praetorian guard to do their dirty work. We will then be able to protect ourselves and our loved ones, including our local communities and beyond. This is one aspect of why, in the USA, the second amendment of our Consitution recognizes the natural, and un-lienable (inalienable), right to bear Arms. ("Arms" is not a static term. Please think about that.)

Please, read and understand Edwin Vieira's inimitable work on the Constitutional Militia. (Put his name into your favorite search engine and go to his archives, before it's too late.) Please note, the use of the word "Constitutional" before "Militia." That is the difference. ("A well regulated Militia being necessary for the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.")

As it is now, they are picking us off here and there, now and then, and seeking to destroy our morale, among many other important and irreplaceable things.

It's time to draw a line and say "no more." But mean it, and be ready, willing and able to back it up. It's now or never.

[neutronstar]

The experts they do have on are to scared to report what is talked about on
social media and if they did ,they are accused of peddling conspiracy
theories , yes they have the media and law tied up in threats ,legal babble
and secrecy. There is such a divide on many of these events from the official
story and alternate sources and so far the mainstream tow the establishment
line as most are owned by the same corporate elites that are manipulating
these false flag and distractions to set up their various on going wars and
agendas...



When I read that, the first thing that popped into my head was a line in the movie Goodfellas. Henry Hill says when taking about everyday people, "They have no balls" lol

[Marikins]

This interview with Cheryl Hersha, MK-Ultra/SRA survivor and author of Secret Weapons: Two Sisters’ Terrifying True Story of Sex, Spies and Sabotage identifies some of the satanic ritualistic aspects of the Las Vegas Massacre. She says that when she read that it took place before a gold Mandalay building, a 32nd floor, a black pyramid, a sphinx and an obelisk, she realized it was a combination of a false flag and a blood sacrifice ritual which requires real blood and real victims. She discusses satanic symbology and numerology of the event.

This is the link to the BitChute video which the channel VicturusLibertas is using to avoid YouTube censorship: https://www.bitchute.com/video/koC9UNm79oaf/
Mods please note: I don't believe I can embed it with the current tags. If you can, please do.

[Marikins]

Google Trends is showing a very steep decline in interest in this massacre. Then, again, how trustworthy is Google?

Search terms that I used, looking at the 30-day trends:

Shooting in Las Vegas (https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%201-m&q=shooting%20in%20las%20vegas)

Stephen Paddock (https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%201-m&q=stephen%20paddock)

Most people probably buy the official story. I think most people are too consumed with their own lives to look into things deeply. Although people are waking up, I think it is still a small percentage of the population.

None of us. I repeat, none of us, know what went down that night with any degree of accuracy.



Satori, you are right to be done with theorizing (paraphrasing). There is almost a comforting escapism in analysis paralysis. It keeps us from taking any action whatever. But I think for now at least the search for facts is really a good thing though because concrete facts have been uncovered that have been instrumental in moving people from the undecided group to the something ain't right group. I am referring especially to the financial analysis revealing insider trading of MGM owners, scientific and witness confirmation of more than one shooter, and the abominable behavior of the FBI in suppressing facts and obliterating evidence. These are important discoveries that should be publicized because they contribute to the critical mass.

Oh, dear, Satori, now I have read your second post which is brilliant so I will just leave this here and slink away ...

[Satori]

Google Trends is showing a very steep decline in interest in this massacre. Then, again, how trustworthy is Google?

Search terms that I used, looking at the 30-day trends:

Shooting in Las Vegas (https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%201-m&q=shooting%20in%20las%20vegas)

Stephen Paddock (https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%201-m&q=stephen%20paddock)

Most people probably buy the official story. I think most people are too consumed with their own lives to look into things deeply. Although people are waking up, I think it is still a small percentage of the population.

None of us. I repeat, none of us, know what went down that night with any degree of accuracy.



Satori, you are right to be done with theorizing (paraphrasing). There is almost a comforting escapism in analysis paralysis. It keeps us from taking any action whatever. But I think for now at least the search for facts is really a good thing though because concrete facts have been uncovered that have been instrumental in moving people from the undecided group to the something ain't right group. I am referring especially to the financial analysis revealing insider trading of MGM owners, scientific and witness confirmation of more than one shooter, and the abominable behavior of the FBI in suppressing facts and obliterating evidence. These are important discoveries that should be publicized because they contribute to the critical mass.

Oh, dear, Satori, now I have read your second post which is brilliant so I will just leave this here and slink away ...

Please do not sink away. Let us all step up.

[Noelle]

Google Trends is showing a very steep decline in interest in this massacre. Then, again, how trustworthy is Google?

Search terms that I used, looking at the 30-day trends:

Shooting in Las Vegas (https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%201-m&q=shooting%20in%20las%20vegas)

Stephen Paddock (https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%201-m&q=stephen%20paddock)

Most people probably buy the official story. I think most people are too consumed with their own lives to look into things deeply. Although people are waking up, I think it is still a small percentage of the population.

None of us. I repeat, none of us, know what went down that night with any degree of accuracy.



Satori, you are right to be done with theorizing (paraphrasing). There is almost a comforting escapism in analysis paralysis. It keeps us from taking any action whatever. But I think for now at least the search for facts is really a good thing though because concrete facts have been uncovered that have been instrumental in moving people from the undecided group to the something ain't right group. I am referring especially to the financial analysis revealing insider trading of MGM owners, scientific and witness confirmation of more than one shooter, and the abominable behavior of the FBI in suppressing facts and obliterating evidence. These are important discoveries that should be publicized because they contribute to the critical mass.

Oh, dear, Satori, now I have read your second post which is brilliant so I will just leave this here and slink away ...

I agree. What if all these citizen investigations and analyses are doing far more than we realize, like at the consciousness level? Our thoughts and written words could be creating energetic ripples and even waves, affecting the minds of those who are not paying attention to our thoughts and discussions, those who may still be asleep or are just starting to wake up. Wishful thinking or a possibility?

[Marikins]

Please do not sink away. Let us all step up.
LOL I meant I would slink away from the counterpoint because I agree with you! You are suggesting the key point of all conspiracy and alternate forums - at what point do we replace dissatisfaction with action? I think our every minute daily decision and action moves us toward our ideals which are informed by our understanding of the real world and how we want to shape it, how we want to be in it.

It takes time to reverse thousands of years of slavery, especially mental and spiritual slavery. I was moved by Cheryl Hersha's interview above when she said there was a huge difference in her book tour reception of 2001 and the warm Youtube reception she receives now. It took time for people to get it, but they are getting it. And it will inform their daily actions. It is at turns a slow and a fast process, but not as direct as we would like. But it is happening. Still, we need people like you to kick ass (I'll take the names because I'm a nerd like that).

[KiwiElf]

FOX have just briefly addressed "the insane number of conspiracy theories on the internet" meme, on Watters' World - usual story; they wheeled in some "expert" (retired police Lt of Las Vegas Police Dept, Randy Sutton), who stumbled through the predictable & expected responses in the past (and of course used the most easily explainable examples while omitting the really juicy ones); ie woman who alerted the crowd in advance, MGM advanced stock sales, denying ISIS or acomplice, or second shooter connections, the missing security guy, timeline differences etc - all scoffed at, rubbished and the usual ad hominem attacks. Why are we not surprised? :facepalm:

I'm sure the clip will be up on YT shortly. ;)

[KiwiElf]

Here we go;

qwwf_Uu7CWA

[ThePythonicCow]

This is the link to the BitChute video which the channel VicturusLibertas is using to avoid YouTube censorship: https://www.bitchute.com/video/koC9UNm79oaf/
Mods please note: I don't believe I can embed it with the current tags. If you can, please do.

The video is well worth a listen.

I too don't know how to embed it here ... sorry :).

[KiwiElf]

This is the link to the BitChute video which the channel VicturusLibertas is using to avoid YouTube censorship: https://www.bitchute.com/video/koC9UNm79oaf/
Mods please note: I don't believe I can embed it with the current tags. If you can, please do.

The video is well worth a listen.

I too don't know how to embed it here ... sorry :).

Me either but have downloaded it! :)

[ThePythonicCow]

One more detail that seems odd to me ... according to the official numbers (from the Las Vegas Sheriff a day or two ago), there are about 58 who died the night of October 1, about 50 more wounded still in a hospital, and about 500 who were treated for injuries or wounds and since released.

Granted, I should trust such official numbers about as much as I should trust the NSA's publicly released budget numbers ...

But ignoring that for a minute, I would think that if someone were spraying a crowd with automatic weapons fire, that the number N1 of seriously wounded, who would be in a hospital for longer than a couple of weeks, or N2 who would survive the first day, but die sometime in the following couple of weeks, would be quite a bit larger than the N3 number who died before even getting to a hospital (given the ready availability of hospitals, as in Las Vegas.)

That is, I would expect N1 + N2 to be greater than N3: more people with very critical injuries, who either died or were still in a hospital two weeks later, than who died on site.

But we have N3 == 58, and N1 + N2 not greater than N3, but actually equal to zero: every one either died on site, or is still alive two weeks later and mostly already out of the hospital.

That doesn't seem like random firing on a crowd to me. That seems like the work of trained sniper(s). Those intentionally targeted died on the spot, and a similar number of others received serious injuries (trampling, falling, random shots, ...) which so far haven't killed any of those 50 or so still a hospital.

Of course, Satori would be right to raise an eye brow at this post of mine ... why am I wasting my time analyzing these almost certainly fake numbers?

I don't have a good answer to that raised eyebrow :).

Either those numbers are fake (almost certain), or this was a satanic blood sacrifice and anyone who was critically wounded died that night (also almost certain in my view), or most of the direct bullet hits were head shots or center of mass shots by trained snipers, using highly lethal kinds of bullets such as hollow points (also likely in my view), or ... ?

[DNA]

What is the word on the Tropicana video?
I've heard on Alex Jones that this video was within moments after the shooting stopped.
The Tropicana is a hotel with an excellent vantage point over the festival where the shootings took place.
Are these men part of the group of shooters who participated in this act?
This group hardly looks like any type of sanctioned group of police officers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niBgnjtMSsg
niBgnjtMSsg

[ThePythonicCow]

We proceed henceforth by refusing to feed the "Creature from Jekyll Island." And any other central banking and confiscatory taxing system.

All it takes is that elusive critical mass to starve the creature.
My take is not that the "beast" (the elite bastards) relies on debt-money (such as issued by central banks) to feed itself, but rather that the beast uses debt-money as it's most fluid and useful means of control of our civilization.

So I end up recommending not expecting to starve the beast, but rather to avoid the beast further entrapping us. As the bean counters say, happiness is a positive cash flow and (I would add) no debt. Stay out of (or, for most of us, get out of) debt. Keep one's necessary expenses lower than one's reliable income. Build reserves of tools, food, water, ... whatever, so that one can remain flexible and adapt to changing economic conditions.

These recommendations weaken the chains of debt-money bondage that constrain our liberty. They lessen the bonds (pun intended) of our slavery.

I do not expect debt-money to substantially go away, ever, in the remaining life of our present civilization.


in the USA, the second amendment of our Consitution recognizes the natural, and un-lienable (inalienable), right to bear Arms. ("Arms" is not a static term. Please think about that.)
Yes - arms, and we don't mean just 200 year old muskets, are a natural right and are an essential tool in maintaining some balance in this unending struggle between free men and tyrants.


It's time to draw a line and say "no more." But mean it, and be ready, willing and able to back it up. It's now or never.
So far as I can tell from my readings of (mostly censored) history, the struggle will continue, "forever". Neither the elite bastards nor the common human can expect a climatic, do-or-die, "battle". Rather the struggle will continue. We do what we can with the life we have.

[Ewan]

That doesn't seem like random firing on a crowd to me. That seems like the work of trained sniper(s).



Yet the sounds from the evening are all automatic gunfire, (are they not?), which cannot be aimed with much success, (as I understand weapons, which isn't much), after the first round of every burst.
Sprayed automatic fire could cause several fatalities, a few critical wounds and a bunch more injuries. I would have no confidence in estimating N-values as likely outcomes in such a scenario.

The people who have analysed the sounds of that evening would have picked up even supressed sniper fire in their audio forensics, wouldn't they?

[Tintin]

This is the link to the BitChute video which the channel VicturusLibertas is using to avoid YouTube censorship: https://www.bitchute.com/video/koC9UNm79oaf/
Mods please note: I don't believe I can embed it with the current tags. If you can, please do.

The video is well worth a listen.

I too don't know how to embed it here ... sorry :).

Yes, absolutely a must listen. Here's a link to the Michael Savage audio with witness "Gail" mentioned by Cheryl in the video:
https://michaelsavage.com/2017/10/04/audio-survivor-tells-savage-she-heard-multiple-shooters/, Compelling listening and a true account.

(And I'll email Bill the mp3 of the October 4th show. Gail comes on around the 1:09.07 mark).

[Cidersomerset]

Las Vegas Conspiracy Theories - Watters' World
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwwf_Uu7CWA
Published on 14 Oct 2017...Fox News
Las Vegas Conspiracy Theories - Watters' World

Thanks Kiwi this is typical of how mainstream take alternate theories....


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FBI ‘Hand-In-Hand’ With Vegas PD, Begin Damage Control:
'There Is No Conspiracy… Nobody Is Attempt to Hide Anything'


Andrew Cheetham ...C.Icke.com

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/all/themes/zero_hedge/images/logo_full.svg

FBI 'Hand-In-Hand' With Vegas PD, Begin Damage Control:
"There Is No Conspiracy... Nobody Is Attempt to Hide Anything"

by Tyler Durden
Oct 14, 2017 3:45 AM

Sheriff Joseph Lombardo of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department appeared to
be visibly shaken when told reporters Friday that he wasn’t attempting to be “subversive”
in previous statements he made surrounding details of the October 1 massacre at the
Route 91 Music Festival where 58 people lost their lives.

As Intellihub details, in the ‘no questions’ conference, which members of the independent
media were not allowed to attend, the sheriff said that he’s “well aware” of the timeline
dispute released by MGM Management on Thursday which claims that Stephen Paddock
fired his weapon into the crowd just seconds after Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus
Campos was struck by a bullet in the 32nd-floor hallway outside the shooter’s end suite.

read more....

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-13/shot-vegas-security-guard-cancels-media-goes-missing-i-can-confirm-his-family-has-ga

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RT has not covered this event as much as others probably nervous of the on going
prejudice against them by the establishment in the US. This is a summery of
events so far.

Las Vegas Probe: Hotel failed to notify police right after shooting warning
roEPw6sH85o

Published on 15 Oct 2017
A woman wounded in the October 1 Las Vegas mass shooting has filed a
lawsuit against the hotel the gunman fired from. Police found the property
was used by the gunman as an arms warehouse.

====================================================


#LasVegasShooting: 58 People Dead, 546 Injured and Legacy Sockpuppet Media Still Refuse to Dig

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t2dme7FMrw

Published on 15 Oct 2017
The strange chronology of events in the Las Vegas music festival shooting shifted
again Friday when authorities said that a hotel security guard injured by the
gunman was struck just as the massacre unfolded, not minutes earlier. Oops.

Clark County Sheriff Joe "Nathan Thurm" Lombardo's assessment backtracks from
when he initially told reporters on Monday that the guard, Jesus Campos, was shot
at 9:59 p.m. on the night of the Oct. 1 rampage. That was a change from when
Lombardo said previously that Campos was shot after the attack on the concert.

An emotional and confused Lombardo, however, reiterated that the investigation
remains fluid and that there is "no conspiracy" to hide certain information from the
public.

[Bill Ryan]

This is the link to the BitChute video which the channel VicturusLibertas is using to avoid YouTube censorship: https://www.bitchute.com/video/koC9UNm79oaf/
Mods please note: I don't believe I can embed it with the current tags. If you can, please do.

The video is well worth a listen.

I too don't know how to embed it here ... sorry :).

Mod note from Bill:

Right, unfortunately, BitChute is too new (or the forum is too old!) for there to be an embed capability here.

But advantages of BitChute, for those unfamiliar with it, are that one can right-click on the video, and


Play it at various speeds (faster or slower)
Save the video to disk. (This is of course super-useful.)

:thumbsup: :focus:

[turiya]

SGT Update....


THE FBI'S VEGAS "INVESTIGATION"
IS A FARCE
(Oct 14, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MReQtRxD2-M


Published on Oct 14, 2017




The quantifiable evidence is growing by the day, the FBI's Las Vegas "investigation" is a total farce. The Truth Factory: Las Vegas Inconsistencies - It's Not Adding Up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOuzw... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOuzwF1KCAU&t=2s) Audio Analysis of Las Vegas Shooter - Doesn't add up.

For REAL news 24/7: http://sgtreport.com/ (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=http%3A%2F%2Fsgtreport.com%2F&v=MReQtRxD2-M&redir_token=gyYViAU-bbcf3bfvHGALACJl3Qx8MTUwODE1NjgxOUAxNTA4MDcwNDE5&event=video_description) http://thephaser.com/ (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=http%3A%2F%2Fthephaser.com%2F&v=MReQtRxD2-M&redir_token=gyYViAU-bbcf3bfvHGALACJl3Qx8MTUwODE1NjgxOUAxNTA4MDcwNDE5&event=video_description) http://thelibertymill.com/ (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=http%3A%2F%2Fthelibertymill.com%2F&v=MReQtRxD2-M&redir_token=gyYViAU-bbcf3bfvHGALACJl3Qx8MTUwODE1NjgxOUAxNTA4MDcwNDE5&event=video_description)

[Tintin]

Planet Hollywood event - October 1st 2017: some more witness testimony from that evening, which is I think helpful as far as multiple event and multiple shooters are (and were of course) concerned. This is very very good folks and contains a lot of hitherto unknown insights and other verification for some angles already covered in this thread. Brilliantly presented as well. (Two videos here in one: the first one is the candid account of what she remembers and experienced)

https://tvclip.biz/video/BXBfCIukLmA/las-vegas-shooting-eyewitness-planet-hollywood.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXBfCIukLmA

[Bill Ryan]

Planet Hollywood event - October 1st 2017: some more witness testimony from that evening, which is I think helpful as far as multiple event and multiple shooters are (and were of course) concerned. This is very very good folks and contains a lot of hitherto unknown insights and other verification for some angles already covered in this thread. Brilliantly presented as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXBfCIukLmA

:bump:

Yes, this is new, and definitely a must-see.

[Caliban]

Some questions:

-- Why combine in this event crisis actors and real people being actually harmed and killed?

--What would be the point of actually needing to wound and kill people? So many of these things have been done--with powerful effects--without that happening in any way. Why the new protocol?

-- Does this imply that this event got out of the control of the Usual Suspects/Handlers? Seems highly unlikely.

-- Why parade out to the media the "wounded" crisis actors and not real wounded people, if the above is true?

-- Are there any rational answers to these questions? Or is it all a way to simply confuse us and keep our wheels perpetually spinning?

-- If this was some kind of ritual harvest thing, does it continue with the ongoing speculations of people like us? Do we add fuel to the fire of illusion, partial illusion, terror/fake terror?

-- Do we need a new way to look at these events, a new philosophy of examining these phenomena? Terrorism has transformed and cannot be defined the old ways anymore.

[ThePythonicCow]

Yet the sounds from the evening are all automatic gunfire, (are they not?), which cannot be aimed with much success, (as I understand weapons, which isn't much), after the first round of every burst.
Sprayed automatic fire could cause several fatalities, a few critical wounds and a bunch more injuries. I would have no confidence in estimating N-values as likely outcomes in such a scenario.

The people who have analysed the sounds of that evening would have picked up even supressed sniper fire in their audio forensics, wouldn't they?
The sounds that have been picked up on people's smart phone recordings are of automatic fire, yes.

My current speculation (that and $2.95 will get you a cup of bad coffee at Starbucks) is that

the automatic fire was cover for the sniper fire,
the automatic fire was intended to cause more panic and chaos,
the automatic fire also fits the story line and will justify automatic weapons bans,
the sniper fire was to ensure lots of blood and death that some evil bastards "enjoy", and
the sounds of the sniper fire were lost in the noise and confusion on the few recordings we have..

[ThePythonicCow]

Some questions:

-- Why combine in this event crisis actors and real people being actually harmed and killed?

--What would be the point of actually needing to wound and kill people? So many of these things have been done--with powerful effects--without that happening in any way. Why the new protocol?

-- Does this imply that this event got out of the control of the Usual Suspects/Handlers? Seems highly unlikely.

-- Why parade out to the media the "wounded" crisis actors and not real wounded people, if the above is true?

-- Are there any rational answers to these questions? Or is it all a way to simply confuse us and keep our wheels perpetually spinning?

-- If this was some kind of ritual harvest thing, does it continue with the ongoing speculations of people like us? Do we add fuel to the fire of illusion, partial illusion, terror/fake terror?

-- Do we need a new way to look at these events, a new philosophy of examining these phenomena? Terrorism has transformed and cannot be defined the old ways anymore.


I figure that

this was a ritual blood harvest,
real dead people and lots of blood are essential for such an event,
crisis actors are used for press interviews to minimize uncontrolled leakage of the true details,
crisis actors are also useful to get out false details to the public,
dead people don't talk, and crisis actors don't reveal secrets, and
the evil bastards behind this intend for multiple, conflicting story lines, evidence and testimony to come forth, the better to hide the truth in a cloud of confusion.

I recommend not closing our eyes in order to pretend no fear, but looking reality straight in the eye and countering it's evil parts as best we can.

[Noelle]

Some questions:

-- Why combine in this event crisis actors and real people being actually harmed and killed?

--What would be the point of actually needing to wound and kill people? So many of these things have been done--with powerful effects--without that happening in any way. Why the new protocol?

-- Does this imply that this event got out of the control of the Usual Suspects/Handlers? Seems highly unlikely.

-- Why parade out to the media the "wounded" crisis actors and not real wounded people, if the above is true?

-- Are there any rational answers to these questions? Or is it all a way to simply confuse us and keep our wheels perpetually spinning?

-- If this was some kind of ritual harvest thing, does it continue with the ongoing speculations of people like us? Do we add fuel to the fire of illusion, partial illusion, terror/fake terror?

-- Do we need a new way to look at these events, a new philosophy of examining these phenomena? Terrorism has transformed and cannot be defined the old ways anymore.


I figure that

this was a ritual blood harvest,
real dead people and lots of blood are essential for such an event,
crisis actors are used for press interviews to minimize uncontrolled leakage of the true details,
crisis actors are also useful to get out false details to the public,
dead people don't talk, and crisis actors don't reveal secrets, and
the evil bastards behind this intend for multiple, conflicting story lines, evidence and testimony to come forth, the better to hide the truth in a cloud of confusion.

I recommend not closing our eyes in order to pretend no fear, but looking reality straight in the eye and countering it's evil parts as best we can.

I struggle with the crisis actors. They are real, live human beings, right? How do they sleep well at night knowing they are part of something so wicked, so inhumane? It could be they are paid very well, but I don't know.

[ThePythonicCow]

I struggle with the crisis actors. They are real, live human beings, right? How do they sleep well at night knowing they are part of something so wicked, so inhumane? It could be they are paid very well, but I don't know.
There's a few percentage of us humans who can be sufficiently separated from compassion and honesty, who can have their minds sufficiently wrapped around lies and deceit, that they can be setup to do such things. You see some of these people on the nightly news ... as both the news anchors and as the politicians and military and government officials being interviewed.

I'm pretty sure that if you got a chance to chat with one of these crisis actors over a couple of glasses of beer, that their view of what they were doing and of what was going on would not resemble the sorts of views posted on this thread.

[muxfolder]

Some questions:

-- Why combine in this event crisis actors and real people being actually harmed and killed?

--What would be the point of actually needing to wound and kill people? So many of these things have been done--with powerful effects--without that happening in any way. Why the new protocol?

-- Does this imply that this event got out of the control of the Usual Suspects/Handlers? Seems highly unlikely.

-- Why parade out to the media the "wounded" crisis actors and not real wounded people, if the above is true?

-- Are there any rational answers to these questions? Or is it all a way to simply confuse us and keep our wheels perpetually spinning?

-- If this was some kind of ritual harvest thing, does it continue with the ongoing speculations of people like us? Do we add fuel to the fire of illusion, partial illusion, terror/fake terror?

-- Do we need a new way to look at these events, a new philosophy of examining these phenomena? Terrorism has transformed and cannot be defined the old ways anymore.


I figure that

this was a ritual blood harvest,
real dead people and lots of blood are essential for such an event,
crisis actors are used for press interviews to minimize uncontrolled leakage of the true details,
crisis actors are also useful to get out false details to the public,
dead people don't talk, and crisis actors don't reveal secrets, and
the evil bastards behind this intend for multiple, conflicting story lines, evidence and testimony to come forth, the better to hide the truth in a cloud of confusion.

I recommend not closing our eyes in order to pretend no fear, but looking reality straight in the eye and countering it's evil parts as best we can.

I struggle with the crisis actors. They are real, live human beings, right? How do they sleep well at night knowing they are part of something so wicked, so inhumane? It could be they are paid very well, but I don't know.

I've been pondering this one too. Maybe they are just simply paid well or some other way very well rewarded. Who knows. I bet it's only a matter of time when some of them is gonna blow the whistle. It'll help if some of the actors are screwed over and not getting paid or killed or injured in duty. Then again, there is possibility that they are in one those programs like MK-ultra.

Sorry. Kind of offtopic.:)

[Ba-ba-Ra]

LauraLoomer Interviews Two #LasVegasShooting Eyewitnesses

(Note;) This young couple were at the concert when shots broke out. Girl feels they were being chased by a shooter as they ran.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep6R6j6kkA8

[Caliban]

Some questions:

-- Why combine in this event crisis actors and real people being actually harmed and killed?

--What would be the point of actually needing to wound and kill people? So many of these things have been done--with powerful effects--without that happening in any way. Why the new protocol?

-- Does this imply that this event got out of the control of the Usual Suspects/Handlers? Seems highly unlikely.

-- Why parade out to the media the "wounded" crisis actors and not real wounded people, if the above is true?

-- Are there any rational answers to these questions? Or is it all a way to simply confuse us and keep our wheels perpetually spinning?

-- If this was some kind of ritual harvest thing, does it continue with the ongoing speculations of people like us? Do we add fuel to the fire of illusion, partial illusion, terror/fake terror?

-- Do we need a new way to look at these events, a new philosophy of examining these phenomena? Terrorism has transformed and cannot be defined the old ways anymore.


I figure that

this was a ritual blood harvest,
real dead people and lots of blood are essential for such an event,
crisis actors are used for press interviews to minimize uncontrolled leakage of the true details,
crisis actors are also useful to get out false details to the public,
dead people don't talk, and crisis actors don't reveal secrets, and
the evil bastards behind this intend for multiple, conflicting story lines, evidence and testimony to come forth, the better to hide the truth in a cloud of confusion.

I recommend not closing our eyes in order to pretend no fear, but looking reality straight in the eye and countering it's evil parts as best we can.

Some good points, Paul. So most of these recent events have been totally staged and with no one (seemingly) harmed. This one was apparently some kind of unspeakable ritual that needed blood and death. Obviously there's a difference, most fundamentally to the people harmed/killed and their families.

But both types (harm/no harm, all crisis actors) are Terror events and have similar emotional repercussions in society. Most people cannot or will not bother to tell the difference. What's fascinating, in a way, is that in the latter cases terror is being created from nothing, literally nothing. It's like going to see Macbeth and leaving the theater and believing that you just witnessed events that have reality beyond the theater and real blood was spilled and real people died. It's trauma created from nothing, from a fantasy taken flesh.

Don Delillo has written a lot about the sociological phenomenon of terrorism, especially in books like Players and Mao II. He went deep into it, even comparing terrorism to novel writing. In Mao II a novelist character says, "What terrorists gain, novelists lose. The degree to which they influence mass consciousness is the extent of our (i.e. novelists) decline as shapers of sensibility and thought. The danger they represent equals our own failure to be dangerous." That's from 1991.

One wonders how Delillo would write about terrorism in 2017. Is he aware of this game being played? I can't answer that, though I would presume he knew about Gladio and such. But what is "terrorism" anymore? Can the quote above still be applied today? When you can never say who the "terror" (real or completely fake) comes from, what is a terrorist? The categories of understanding and definition have totally changed.

[Cidersomerset]

Alex does not normally put up vids on a sunday , but this was posted and it
speaks for itself. Alex express's his concerns and gives a detailed summery
of events so far in clips and commentary and fears an on going cover up is
in progress , he also has concerns for Sherriff Lombardo's well being and more....


Vegas Coverup Collapsing: Sheriff May Be In Danger

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Published on 15 Oct 2017
Alex Jones discusses the latest in Vegas Massacre coverup.

[Satori]

I think a lot of what we are seeing in the sheriff is also extreme fatigue and incredible stress, even if he did not have an FBI handler hovering over him at all times

As long as he does his best at presenting the official theory, I doubt he is any personal danger. But, he is clearly not as polished at lying and spinning as his handlers would like

Rouse is FBI scum. The guy makes my skin crawl. Watch his facial expressions and body language when he is handling the sheriff. He is usually trying to be poker faced, but he can't resist the urge now and then to nod his head in approval of what the sheriff says. When he does this, he is trying to reenforce a few points in the audiences' collective and individual mind(s). So when he nods with approval, you can be sure to take the opposite as closer to the truth.

[Tintin]

I struggle with the crisis actors. They are real, live human beings, right? How do they sleep well at night knowing they are part of something so wicked, so inhumane? It could be they are paid very well, but I don't know.

Crisis actors, and acting as a job, will be sold to them as a job; nothing more. It is in their minds a fictional scenario, with the pay, and to be just done at set time, place, with script. When it goes "real" as the Harvest thing obviously was then they end up in the same soup as everyone else. Lambs to the slaughter. They are as innocent as anyone who wasn't a crisis individual. To the perpetrators of this outrage they are considered just fodder, cannon fodder.

They won't sleep easy because they have been duped, scared to death, and traumatised, along with anybody else there fortunate enough to get out alive. The mind-set of those who plan these things is so way beyond comprehension due to the depths of depravity it reaches that it imbues the beggar of belief. They are also victims.

The simple answer to your very decent and human question is that they are not the architects of the scenario, just mere participants. And right royally duped and stitched up along with every other dear soul caught up in it.

[Bluegreen]

Its gone from MSM, only 'human interest' stories. Weinstein, on the other hand, is full steam ahead.

[muxfolder]

Its gone from MSM, only 'human interest' stories. Weinstein, on the other hand, is full steam ahead.

He's probably one of those who were supposed to be celebrating well done job, but he was the one thrown under the bus. After this, there's probably going to be some pedophile scandal and Weinstein is going to be part of that. That's just my 2 cents.

[Noelle]

I struggle with the crisis actors. They are real, live human beings, right? How do they sleep well at night knowing they are part of something so wicked, so inhumane? It could be they are paid very well, but I don't know.

Crisis actors, and acting as a job, will be sold to them as a job; nothing more. It is in their minds a fictional scenario, with the pay, and to be just done at set time, place, with script. When it goes "real" as the Harvest thing obviously was then they end up in the same soup as everyone else. Lambs to the slaughter. They are as innocent as anyone who wasn't a crisis individual. To the perpetrators of this outrage they are considered just fodder, cannon fodder.

They won't sleep easy because they have been duped, scared to death, and traumatised, along with anybody else there fortunate enough to get out alive. The mind-set of those who plan these things is so way beyond comprehension due to the depths of depravity it reaches that it imbues the beggar of belief. They are also victims.

The simple answer to your very decent and human question is that they are not the architects of the scenario, just mere participants. And right royally duped and stitched up along with every other dear soul caught up in it.

Thanks, Tintin. I was getting ready to put on my tin foil hat and ask if the crisis actors were artificial humans, like cyborgs. :tinfoil3:

[Bill Ryan]

I'm not aware of any crisis actors at all. Meanwhile, there's an abundance of dramatic eyewitness reports which are unquestionably real.

If there are any videos of purported crisis actors, I'd like to see them. (And, of course, it's quite possible I've missed something.)

Many of the witnesses I've heard are genuinely upset and offended about claims that somehow this is a hoax... rather than a false flag event, which is a quite different animal.

[Bill Ryan]

Entirely separately, I'd love to know what George Knapp's stance is about this. (Has he appeared on Coast to Coast AM yet since the shooting? He's actually hosting tonight's show (https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2017/10/15).)

George, who's lived in Vegas since 1979, and whose day job is as a reporter and presenter for KLAS-TV, must have a LOT of 'inside' contacts there — including quite a few in high places. It'd also be interesting to know what he has and hasn't been permitted to say on C2C, which many readers may remember distinguished itself by firing radio host John D Wells (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89170-John-B-Wells-was-ORDERED-by-C2C-not-to-mention-Obama-The-NWO-or-The-Illuminati) because he was 'too political and controversial'. (C2C is almost entirely sanitized now, and sticks to safe, anodyne lightweight entertainment in the form of ghosts, reincarnation, and Bigfoot.)

[muxfolder]

I'm not aware of any crisis actors at all. Meanwhile, there's an abundance of dramatic eyewitness reports which are unquestionably real.

If there are any videos of purported crisis actors, I'd like to see them. (And, of course, it's quite possible I've missed something.)

Many of the witnesses I've heard are genuinely upset and offended about claims that somehow this is a hoax... rather than a false flag event, which is a quite different animal.

Well, the MSM is full of crisis actors.:) I was actually referring to those more obvious cases, most of them very well imposed here on Avalon. But how fishy is this Las Vegas thing. Oh my. It's just getting more and more complicated and more and more obvious everyday that there's something wrong about it. And people won't shut up, it's quite the opposite.:)

[Bluegreen]

I'm not aware of any crisis actors at all. Meanwhile, there's an abundance of dramatic eyewitness reports which are unquestionably real.

If there are any videos of purported crisis actors, I'd like to see them. (And, of course, it's quite possible I've missed something.)

Many of the witnesses I've heard are genuinely upset and offended about claims that somehow this is a hoax... rather than a false flag event, which is a quite different animal.

Likely true, because to Henry Kissinger and his murderous, psychopathic friends, we are like cattle

As we've heard from Svali, Carolyn Hamlett, Arizona Wilder, Cheryl Hersha, Cathy O'Brien, and other bloodline insiders

They're not like us

[ThePythonicCow]

I'm not aware of any crisis actors at all. Meanwhile, there's an abundance of dramatic eyewitness reports which are unquestionably real.
My current guess is that there were no crisis actors in the Route 91 Harvest Festival audience ... but that there were a few actors pretending to have been there, who were interviewed on main stream news, the next day..

[Caliban]

I'm not aware of any crisis actors at all. Meanwhile, there's an abundance of dramatic eyewitness reports which are unquestionably real.
My current guess is that there were no crisis actors in the Route 91 Harvest Festival audience ... but that there were a few actors pretending to have been there, who were interviewed on main stream news, the next day..

Just go to YT and search Mike Cronk.
Lots of images on Google images don't look right, like some drill filmed the day before. Many YT videos have been removed, I'm thinking of one in particular that did a brilliant analysis on drill-like photos and obvious photo shopped pics. Dramatic eyewitness reports, Bill? Unquestionably real? Bill, c'mon...

[Bill Ryan]

Dramatic eyewitness reports, Bill? Unquestionably real? Bill, c'mon...

Yes, absolutely.

Here's one of many. EVERYONE should watch this.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvActO9U8eI

[Franny]

It's looking to me like a hybrid false flag event. Crisis actors for staged photos and the interviews giving the official story; real people that experienced the trauma and a lot of phones wiped clean.

[bluestflame]

good vid bill ... black briefcase man, curiouser and curiouser

[Tintin]

I'm not aware of any crisis actors at all. Meanwhile, there's an abundance of dramatic eyewitness reports which are unquestionably real.

If there are any videos of purported crisis actors, I'd like to see them. (And, of course, it's quite possible I've missed something.)

Many of the witnesses I've heard are genuinely upset and offended about claims that somehow this is a hoax... rather than a false flag event, which is a quite different animal.

I totally agree here. The witness testimony coming forward gradually, after the trauma may have subsided a little, is pretty rock solid genuine. I too am struggling to determine any crisis acting, at all.

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I'm not aware of any crisis actors at all. Meanwhile, there's an abundance of dramatic eyewitness reports which are unquestionably real.
My current guess is that there were no crisis actors in the Route 91 Harvest Festival audience ... but that there were a few actors pretending to have been there, who were interviewed on main stream news, the next day..

Totally with you on that Paul. Thanks for helping to clarify my thoughts on this.

[Cidersomerset]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
I'm not aware of any crisis actors at all. Meanwhile, there's an abundance of
dramatic eyewitness reports which are unquestionably real.


My current guess is that there were no crisis actors in the Route 91 Harvest
Festival audience ... but that there were a few actors pretending to have been
there, who were interviewed on main stream news, the next day..


I agree I have not seen any crisis actors , though there has been plenty of
speculation. Whether any have been used in the media cover up is possible.


Unlike some other events there is plenty of hospital footage that would be
difficult to create without massive collusion with the emergency services
press and locals who work in these places.

Victims of Las Vegas Shooting Speak From Their Hospital Beds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_LFKvz3W2w

Published on 3 Oct 2017
Some of the hospitalized victims of Sundays mass shooting in Las Vegas are
opening up about the injuries they sustained and the horror they faced.
Shooting victim Gianna Baca visited her identical twin sister at a Las Vegas
hospital. The 17-year-old twins were both shot during Sunday's mass shooting.
Gianna and Natalia were enjoying the concert when automatic gunfire rang out.
Gianna was hit in the hip. Natalia was shot in the shoulder, which punctured her lung.

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Two other segments by Owen Shroyer from yesterdays brief show.


FBI Doesn’t Mention Shooters At Bellagio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_49r258kido

Published on 15 Oct 2017
Owen Shroyer talks about how Laura Loomer was banned from vegas shooting
conference held by sheriff and how they still won't talks about all the strange
things that were going on in vegas before, during and after the massacre.

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Private Pilot Doubts Shooter Was Hitting Jet Fuel Tanks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXXbf9NIpWY

Published on 15 Oct 2017
Owen Shroyer talks to a caller who calls out the FBI for their bs on the shooting
narrative and those so called gas tanks they claim were being shot at.
https://www.infowars.com/watch-vegas-...

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First Responders Face PTSD Risk After Vegas Shooting | NBC News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhoagoXOAgg

Published on 16 Oct 2017
EMTs who rescued the wounded during the Vegas shooting could be at risk for post-
traumatic stress, an illness affecting paramedics at rates as high as soldiers
returning from combat

[Hervé]

Another caveat regarding edited videos from Jim Stone (http://82.221.129.208/.zv9.html):
TOTALLY FAKE REALITY BEING CREATED FOR VEGAS SHOOTING (http://82.221.129.208/.zv9.html)

I FIGURED THIS OUT WHEN I WATCHED THE NEW VIDEOS OF THE CONCERT GETTING INTERRUPTED.

IN THE REAL VIDEOS, JASON ALDEAN NOTICES THE SHOOTING, STOPS SINGING, BACKS AWAY FROM THE MICROPHONE, DOES A SHORT DAZED WALK AND THEN STARTS RUNNING ALL THE WHILE HIS VOICE CONTINUES OVER THE SPEAKERS, AND THE CROWD LAUGHS BECAUSE THEY FIGURE OUT HE WAS LIP SYNCHING.

IN THE NEW FAKE VIDEOS, HE SINGS RIGHT UP TO THE END, AND SUDDENLY RUNS. THE VIDEOS LOOK COMPLETELY REAL.

[DNA]

Entirely separately, I'd love to know what George Knapp's stance is about this. (Has he appeared on Coast to Coast AM yet since the shooting? He's actually hosting tonight's show (https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2017/10/15).)
I'm a big fan of Knapp when it concerns his narrow spectrum of specialization such as UFO's and Cryptids, but not a fan when it is expanded to Government cover ups.
I've heard Knapp speak in exasperation when confronted with the Wikileaks evidence as it is related to John Podesta and others in Government participating in spirit cooking and pedophilia.
Knapp seems to be opposed to Alex Jones in general and referred to him as "fake news" at one point.
This caused me to lose much respect for Knapp and to view him as quite uninformed.
Knapp is a member of the media and he seems to have taken his side in regards to what is fake media and what is real media.

[Cidersomerset]

Knapp seems to be opposed to Alex Jones in general and referred to him as "fake news" at one point

I agree DNA I like his UFO reports and I cannot find any vids with George
commenting on the shootings. He has posted some articles about it on
Twitter the latest below which seems more mainstream than alternate , but
may or may not be his full views ?......

I did find what seems to be his latest UFO vid 9/10/17.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FrlMyLJZfU
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George Knapp‏ @g_knapp
LV shooting inspires a bounty of conspiracy theories:

Conspiracy crowd working overtime since Las Vegas shooting

https://www.reviewjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/9407081_web1_conspiracy-board.jpg
Photo published for Conspiracy crowd working overtime since Las Vegas shooting

Conspiracy crowd working overtime since Las Vegas shooting
Every mass-casualty event attracts its share of crackpots, and
the Oct. 1 attack in Las Vegas is no different. But the flow of
“fake news” about the shooting exceeds...

reviewjournal.com
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/shootings/conspiracy-crowd-working-overtime-since-las-vegas-shooting/

10:33 pm - 14 Oct 2017

George Knapp...
https://twitter.com/g_knapp?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

[Bill Ryan]

Alex Jones' summary today of the current state of play regarding the Las Vegas cover-up:


http://projectavalon.net/Alex_Jones_Las_Vegas_summary_16_Oct_2017.mp3 (4.7 Mb, 8 mins)

[Cidersomerset]

Mike Adams commenting on the response of his acoustic analysis and how he
came up with the idea.....

The public astonished to discover this PROOF of a second Las Vegas shooter

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Published on 16 Oct 2017
People who are seeing the Health Ranger's "Forensic Acoustic Analysis" video
are astonished to learn that sound files can be used to determine the distance of shooters.
Analysis of the Las Vegas video recordings discovers that a SECOND SHOOTER was also present.
FBI knows there was a SECOND shooter at the Las Vegas massacre
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u-u3w0Fzx0 ......13/10/17
Forensic acoustic proof of SECOND shooter in the Las Vegas massacre
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxmEFeKy8aI .....9/10/17

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Experts & Eyewitnesses Agree: Official Vegas Massacre Story Is A Sham

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Published on 16 Oct 2017
Alex Jones analyzes statements made by Sheriff Joe Lombardo of the Las Vegas
Police Department as he changes the official narrative of what happened during
the October 1st massacre.

[ThePythonicCow]

.
Scott Binsack is back, with another report, this one nearly two hours long.

Here's the full report:
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Here are three highlights that I found particularly interesting, especially the second one below.

At the 5:33 mark (https://youtu.be/82mRuhwJirE?t=5m33s), Scott Binsack briefly explains the use of gambling to launder money.

Apparently, if I just made a half million dollars selling a thousand anti-tank missiles to ISIS, I don't want to report that, as such, on my Federal Income Tax return. Someone in the US Federal anti-terrorist effort might take extreme exception to my line of work.

Therefore I can take that cash to Las Vegas and gamble with it. I'll lose some of it (which will be partially returned to me in the form of free rooms, food, and booze by the casino to encourage my repeat business), and I can declare whatever cash remains as gambling profits at the end of the day and pay my "fair" share of US Federal taxes on them, owning the rest "free and clear", well laundered.

Apparently Paddock was already well familiar with such methods; I'm just learning of them now.
. This is the big one. At the 13:55 mark (https://youtu.be/82mRuhwJirE?t=13m55s), Binsack presents a case that the US is being blackmailed by Israel into going to war with Iran, and that these shootings and other such terrorist events are part of that blackmail. Binsack figures that Trump is being told by representatives of Israel: Destroy Iran or the shootings continue and get worse.

The Las Vegas shooting took place the evening on October 1.

Less than two days later on October 3, Sheldon Adelson met with Trump, as reported for example in the Jerusalem Post (http://www.jpost.com/International/Sheldon-Adelson-wife-meet-Trump-discuss-help-for-Las-Vegas-victims-506693), The Hill (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/353681-trump-met-with-sheldon-adelson-after-las-vegas-shooting-report), and Newsmax (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/donald-trump-sheldon-adelson-meeting-las-vegas-shooting/2017/10/03/id/817434/). American business billionaire and casino magnate Sheldon Adelson was Trump's largest donor during the Presidential campaign, and is a staunch backer of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, as reported in The Times of Israel (http://www.timesofisrael.com/in-police-testimony-adelson-says-netanyahu-never-discussed-media-deal/).

Then another two days later on October 5, Trump began his increasingly aggressive anti-Iran talk, with the cryptic but widely reported remark (reported here (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-military/in-meeting-with-military-trump-talks-of-calm-before-the-storm-idUSKBN1CB03C)): "You guys know what this represents? ... Maybe it’s the calm before the storm.".

Like most wars, this is unlikely to start with an unprovoked attack by the US on Iran. Rather, like most such wars, the US will provoke the "enemy" until a false flag, blamed on the "enemy" is credible. Israel is a master at such false flags. For example (my speculation here, not Binsack's) Israel could sink or seriously damage a US air craft carrier or destroyer, off the shore of Iran, using a black market torpedo or cruise missile stolen from Iran, with Iran being immediately blamed, provoking a rapid and overwhelming destructive counter-attack by the US.
. At the 1:00:05 mark (https://youtu.be/82mRuhwJirE?t=1h5s), Binsack is convinced that another major shooting that had been planned for the Alabama 500 NASCAR race, held yesterday (October 15) at the Talladega Superspeedway in Lincoln, Alabama, was averted by the arrest, reported here (http://wjhl.com/2017/10/02/wcso-johnson-city-man-charged-after-deputies-find-automatic-weapons-over-900-rounds-of-ammo-in-stop/), on October 2 of Scott A. Edmisten in Johnson City, Tennessee. Edmisten was found with a number of weapons in his car, and has refused to talk with police. There were more weapons in his home.

[ThePythonicCow]

Binsack presents a case that the US is being blackmailed by Israel into going to war with Iran
Here's a more extensive narrative of Netanyahu's considerable influence over Trump: How Netanyahu Pulls Trump’s Strings (InformationClearingHouse.info) (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/48027.htm).

[DNA]

Alex Jones has stated that two key witnesses from the shooting who say that they saw multiple shooters are now dead.


Here is an article here. http://todaydispatch.com/4-key-las-vegas-shooting-witnesses/
4 Key Las Vegas Shooting Witnesses Are Now Missing Or Dead


Are they being silenced to stop the truth coming out?
Kymberley Suchomel (http://daily-dispatch.com/exposed-multiple-shooters-found-dead/), one of the key witnesses to the devastating Las Vegas shooting attack which left fifty-eight people dead and more than five hundred wounded, has been found dead in her home at the age of 28. The cause of her death has yet to be confirmed.
Kymberley Suchomel was one of the lucky attendees at the Route 91 music festival in Las Vegas who managed to escape the hail of bullets without being injured. Shortly after fleeing the scene with friends, she made a statement to mainstream media claiming that there were “multiple gunmen” firing weapons into the crowd and that she was chased by one such man.
When she was questioned on the veracity of her story, given the official story that there was only one gunman, she said that she was more than “100% sure” that she was right
WHY IS THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA NOT REPORTING THIS?
Kymberley gave a very detailed account of what she had seen in the days following the horrific event in which she questioned the official narrative being pushed relentlessly by the mainstream media, despite the fact it doesn’t make any sense.
Writing on Facebook, Kymberley said that she had been watching the news with her family constantly since she had arrived home. She said the official narrative contained blatant lies, and expressed frustration that mainstream media was silencing the voices of survivors.
More information about Kymberley Suchomel can be found here.
MAJOR COVER-UP: FOUR WITNESSES DEAD OR MISSING
In a disturbing turn of events, it has emerged that Kymberley is not the only key witness to have died since the Las Vegas (http://todaydispatch.com/exposed-multiple-shooters-found-dead/) shooting.
1) John Beilman (http://daily-dispatch.com/las-vegas-eyewitness-commits-suicide/), who was wanted by federal agents following the discovery of a communications device in the hotel room of the officially identified shooter Stephen Paddock, killed both himself and his disabled daughter in an apparent murder-suicide.
2) Chad Nishimura (http://daily-dispatch.com/exposed-multiple-shooters-found-dead/), a Mandalay Bay valet who parked Paddock’s car when he arrived at the hotel, has also disappeared without trace after giving a statement to a Hawaiian mainstream news network, KITV4, about his brush with the killer. Nishimura directly contradicted the official narrative by claiming that Paddock arrived at the hotel with “not many bags” – certainly nowhere near enough to hold the amount of weapons and ammunition that was found in Paddock’s hotel suite.
3) It has also been revealed that “hero” security guard Jesus Campos (http://daily-dispatch.com/vegas-guard-vanishes-jesus-campos/) has also gone missing. Fifteen minutes before his scheduled appearance on Fox News – his first media interview since the shooting – Campos supposedly ran away, and hasn’t been seen or heard from since.
It has also been revealed that photos featuring Campos, published in mainstream media, are not real. After putting the photographs through forensic testing at FotoForensics.com (http://www.fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=a91046717473eecf0723365eb857399955518aee.30884), it is clear these photographs have been photoshopped, raising the question of whether “Jesus Campos, hero security guard” really exists.


Whether this series of disturbing deaths and disappearances are purely coincidental or whether there is something deeply sinister afoot has yet to be determined, but the response by law enforcement and mainstream media – in particular their refusal to address the questions that the informed public want answered – is leading many to arrive at the same conclusion.

[turiya]

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World Affairs Brief
Fri Oct 13th 2017: Joel Skousen Author –

LATEST UPDATES ON LAS VEGAS MASS SHOOTING

The official narrative continues to unravel and public skepticism increases as police announced this week that there was evidence Stephen Paddock wasn’t alone in his room and that the Mandalay Bay security guard was shot outside Paddock’s room and radioed for help with precise location of the suspect before the shooting spree began, not afterward. This is crucial information because police say they weren’t called by the hotel personnel until 6 minutes later— after the massacre had begun and that the call was swallowed up in the mayhem of the moment. Besides the inexcusable delay by police and SWAT teams in breaching Paddock’s room, video witness testimony continues to emerge that there were other shootings at the Bellagio, Ceasars Palace, the Tropicana casino, and in the area outside of New York/New York or the Excalibur hotels. Strangely, the media is in total collusion and denial that there were any other shootings besides the mass shooting at the Route 91 Festival—where at least 3 shooters were involved.

We also found out this week that the FBI had confiscated all the electronic media (cell phones and laptops) of workers at the Route 91 festival after the shooting, and when they were returned later this week, all of their photos, videos and recordings of the shooting had been wiped clean—an obvious and futile attempt by the FBI to limit the amount of private evidence to contradict the official story. Infowars.com (http://links.worldaffairsbrief.com/wf/click?upn=APDBVBCPSGxSim-2BKUcMIrj1FEghSQcXXF0gppppRsXldSdGiJWN8M6dVaJ40DNt-2BOENTGz3MzH2U7rLxkwfAq8qUUikbH5r1gGaA-2BFLevkPgt6eh891AyeyaUio-2ByOSmY-2FAJnopQzgSlJfE1NgFvuw-3D-3D_w1okczmtJFS7ZgF8ERkxK-2B9LYyfXtFmMw1iLNKaE9MbwXa-2FYw6bLU6S6zz9-2Boiih0pznZ5BA9wMb2L9wXyLIoNGNkIkInuRNYbJFUIFIi73lH8uguOCWiNVxsAicjPgKgPVjWNkt3xkT19GFI-2FuhDqN88SHezxW5F3w10UkRUr6aN8XGn7kxtSluQGwTuIc26FuU1tfKFUIpu3gPMh63HVipIKYeei-2Byap-2Biw7d2msM-3D) has the story:

Workers at the Route 91 Festival, during which Stephen Paddock unleashed his massacre have reportedly been given back their phones and laptops by the FBI only to discover that all messages and videos from the night of the attack have been wiped clean.

According to a Las Vegas resident who posted a status update on Facebook, “A bunch of people that worked the Route 91 said they got their cell phones back today. They all said that all their phones are completely wiped clean! All messages and info from that weekend are completely gone. Anyone else experience this?”

Later in the thread, a Route 91 worker confirms the story, commenting, “Of course. It’s an active federal crime scene. They can wipe it clean. I was the beverage manager for the entire event. My laptop is wiped clean.”

What does he mean, they can wipe it clean because this is a federal crime scene? There is no legal requirement that the FBI can destroy evidence like this—just the opposite. They are not allowed to destroy evidence. They will say, perhaps, that they still have the evidence, but this is a clear attempt to make sure private evidence is destroyed so it limits the public’s ability to contradict FBI claims.

As Ann Coulter notes,

the media’s treatment of the story and the constantly changing official narrative is only serving to make people more suspicious. “I don’t know what happened — and, apparently, neither do the cops — but it’s kind of odd that we keep being told things that aren’t true about the Las Vegas massacre, from the basic timeline to this weird insistence that Paddock made a good living at gambling,” writes Coulter.
The media says Paddock’s 2015 tax return shows a 5 million dollar income that year, mostly from gambling—which is preposterous. Paddock had high roller accounts at every major casino in Vegas, and received thousands of dollars in complimentary rooms, food and drinks every month (“comps”). Casinos don’t give those kinds of perks to people who win regularly against them using mathematical bets or card formulas to win. They only give comps to high roller gamblers who regularly play and lose lots of money to casinos. In fact, they ban gamblers who show they have a system for winning regularly.

A $5M taxable income return indicates, I believe, that Paddock had other big income that doesn’t show up as real estate income—perhaps from involvement with secret government operations. The casinos are known for operating as laundering operations for secret government payoffs. Rodney Stich in his book Defrauding America outlined how CIA whistleblowers told him that many judges are paid off through gambling casinos. Paddock’s gambling income may well have come through such payoffs.

She points to many questions that remain unanswered about the attack, including why Paddock checked in to the hotel days earlier than authorities first said he did, why he was wearing gloves if he planned to commit suicide and why Paddock chose to “unload 200 rounds into the hallway at a security guard who was checking on someone else’s room before beginning his massacre.”

According to the Associated Press (http://links.worldaffairsbrief.com/wf/click?upn=APDBVBCPSGxSim-2BKUcMIrql2ZKK7R3Zrnh9g2gcmmQ1rMES35whbcL1-2FjDSgthEH_w1okczmtJFS7ZgF8ERkxK-2B9LYyfXtFmMw1iLNKaE9MbwXa-2FYw6bLU6S6zz9-2Boiih0pznZ5BA9wMb2L9wXyLIoGf6bsX807z9SCrtsgeJSPTcShu7xVPg-2F3C5eG0rAgcM7yKUPwabA3QS7e6xydURFpGajxYQgWCjwFZngF-2BVJZ3ArjcFM2FaQ0Qqrp1ezAaG7tDGOE8XYa77yc4SLbOlBC-2BlRP7c1dRkP6wX0eQm4Mw-3D),

“On Monday, [Clark County Sheriff Joe] Lombardo said security guard Jesus Campos was in a hallway of the Mandalay Bay hotel responding to a report of an open door when he heard drilling from Stephen Craig Paddock’s room.

Paddock, who had installed three cameras to monitor the approach to his suite, opened fire through the door, spraying 200 shots down the hall and wounding the guard, who alerted other security officials, Lombardo said.

Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo had previously said the guard was shot after gunman Stephen Paddock fired at the country music festival and that the guard’s arrival in the hallway of the Mandalay Bay hotel may have caused Paddock to stop firing.

It was not immediately clear why the timeline of the shooting changed a week later and what the impact could be on the investigation.
The latest timeline (http://links.worldaffairsbrief.com/wf/click?upn=-2Fs0EHiZgDxpaqaIuHhjNmLqUVVlB-2FDa6yh3nEQaZkoN13ZzwSUq7VNxZldo67WXqpH-2Ft8kt0fgHw3lPfYAlY0Nh-2BRqJw8Jl7qnrMwRwTJ6wOxEBaU1FKnqaJBev3t7Oz_w1okczmtJFS7ZgF8ERkxK-2B9LYyfXtFmMw1iLNKaE9MbwXa-2FYw6bLU6S6zz9-2Boiih0pznZ5BA9wMb2L9wXyLIoMiR0kTcVhWNs7fPrw6N3PJR1NJYcAJ0d-2FDVe5r6s-2BoNZFM45BIzgPQQFY-2Fpt-2BjodbqopsMUbEkmTUSbGUKkUMwmwzGEhxvLuB4Kw8doDEaR5-2BkBoDYb6HEFYbz4dT0Hncirr1E2qG0E23sIRn-2FFEoQ-3D) now says police the security guard (Campos) didn’t communicate the location of the shooter’s room to police until 6 minutes after he had been shot, at which time the mass shooting was already begun. This doesn’t make sense, since Campos knew and would have radioed down to hotel security the location of the shooter’s room. The hotel confirms that he did, but claimed they notified police within 40 seconds (http://links.worldaffairsbrief.com/wf/click?upn=-2Fs0EHiZgDxpaqaIuHhjNmKZYg1TlAeKUKJEjiN1XedoYOJ7CrvFMn0Y2dVXvid5C6sFfC4Hjnq0YFg-2FIcn8ddJlXQwF3ZyUz55wrKc3-2FiAIGKFUQJvrLVwEn9k-2FfOv9fwHG8kXUnuMpTfUPxVE0IGQ-3D-3D_w1okczmtJFS7ZgF8ERkxK-2B9LYyfXtFmMw1iLNKaE9MbwXa-2FYw6bLU6S6zz9-2Boiih0pznZ5BA9wMb2L9wXyLIoLVuWAP63InrD6yM633wToB2bzhR2Yfa4U3LJuWdbNphworAQlala8wF29UVf2GJQZJkB98j9h QHc6lbyaWc9Yj-2Ff14hUmy3WDZFBxZFPZJIM9bXwhstIqYUmW1o7HWKWeT-2FlXvqJRHuK9Y7Laz6v4w-3D). The hotel timeline says two police were on the 31st floor, just below the gunman, 13 minutes later, but police haven’t explained why they took so long only to appear on the 32nd floor. Some say it was to clear it of innocent people, but why not stop the shooting instead?

The real scrutiny has to be applied to Mandalay Security and demand to know why they didn’t immediately call police after Campos was shot. Certainly a long burst of automatic weapons on the 32 floor and a wounded security guard would be impetus for major panic and an immediate call to police.

A Mandalay Bay maintenance man, Steve Schuck, has come forward explaining that he went up to check on an open fire door alarm and was got caught in the shooting with Campos. He says he also communicated the shooters room number and floor to Mandalay Bay by radio.

News reports say 200 shots were fired through the closed door at Campos and down the hall, which seems incredible. The largest magazine Paddock had in the room was a 100 round capacity. So, to shoot 200 rounds he would have had to reload once. The door would have looked like Swiss cheese. Shuck did note a pause in the shooting where he and Campos made a run for it and then the firing started again—perhaps indicating that the shooter did reload.

New evidence also suggests claimed Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock was not alone in the hotel room. Alex Lasker reports for AOL News (http://links.worldaffairsbrief.com/wf/click?upn=APDBVBCPSGxSim-2BKUcMIrmYALUTbota7BFn73kpJvNQ8DhVwPuQYoigt-2FZUgoNMxt-2BNgqeUaJ1rcXWuxsStdeU2Lgq3-2FI9JehMfSUlsHPINuoE-2FN0T7L6OcY7aJJ6iG4rJQbb1QB5mpknsFFtbnQo9L97ygu-2BLZPaTIEog5pMIP8msERtY-2B5KHeJwhrBZGGgYDPVzye-2FjqB0kVot9KnaIw-3D-3D_w1okczmtJFS7ZgF8ERkxK-2B9LYyfXtFmMw1iLNKaE9MbwXa-2FYw6bLU6S6zz9-2Boiih0pznZ5BA9wMb2L9wXyLIoId-2Bs-2F8PnUVvdZAydUP7b-2F7AmdkmUQr6WwVuTg-2BYqfeK4KN-2BzgNiqkiY9pj8GVY7bKl1jQSMkMtGPy1gt0HTeYCaeXlr778eMYl6DULwnizOovtTsjWVdErflnc7WdYWqRXuNXWIJV2-2BhDNZXgtoUWU-3D):

Investigators are looking into two key pieces of evidence that seem to suggest that Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock was not entirely alone in his Mandalay Bay hotel room. The first is a cell phone charger that does not match any of the devices that belonged to the gunman.

The second is a hotel record showing that one of Paddock’s key cards was used to access his room while his car was outside of the hotel’s parking garage. Investigators told NBC News that while there are many possible explanations for these two puzzling finds, they are hoping to get to the bottom of things immediately.
This, combined with the room service receipt for 2 people (http://links.worldaffairsbrief.com/wf/click?upn=-2Fs0EHiZgDxpaqaIuHhjNmJHLDXeetb6p-2FMv9iRB-2Bxy57-2BiKThWhz8iHnrMd7fbQM704ELWcRB5svgd0jW8mwTDbWiCPkBFIkc0-2FmR8ei3KYv1L7rXW3xaIjhG01XMtU3UiIu7UYamqtf3KfLp5FwMg-3D-3D_w1okczmtJFS7ZgF8ERkxK-2B9LYyfXtFmMw1iLNKaE9MbwXa-2FYw6bLU6S6zz9-2Boiih0pznZ5BA9wMb2L9wXyLIoMwiRVNWIhaUxzVmpQoIKnmWyn9s218M9h0LVgN0vziVISc3NDMuNtokLFlbso0ApddB4zYDP7 o96FfuWJMIXbZWykBueBA0dAA90qMUf8wCOR-2BNSlMv9Qc6-2FVMMO3ZANxoufDD6GFwnDFKgUjY-2Fj-2Bw-3D), adds to the confirmation that Paddock had an accomplice. While some have hypothesized that the room service receipt could have been for a prostitute visiting the room, the use of the electronic key card in the room while Paddock is out of the hotel indicates another guest, perhaps someone living in the adjoining room with the other broken window that no one in the media is trying to explain.

While we can easily understand how the hotel could know when an electronic key card is used, I wonder how they could determine Paddock’s car was not in the hotel garage at the time? It seems he often used valet parking (http://links.worldaffairsbrief.com/wf/click?upn=-2Fs0EHiZgDxpaqaIuHhjNmJHLDXeetb6p-2FMv9iRB-2Bxy57-2BiKThWhz8iHnrMd7fbQMReRQ4NO1YzcAWiDshk7KXea8dxL57p3-2Bhilz7Y-2Fjk6Fi8qAvW1HggHr5ziy-2BVtqdD2UDxWwCq0QE-2B5CrZHiQmCAeBg7d4XbBDa4HvQPSpNSj6ajltOl-2FzmctseWnUu1b_w1okczmtJFS7ZgF8ERkxK-2B9LYyfXtFmMw1iLNKaE9MbwXa-2FYw6bLU6S6zz9-2Boiih0pznZ5BA9wMb2L9wXyLIoGBsdSNJ43JuJFPUeM3JxhPIWfrPCJGLGcrbilsAWziGvAbnBZCnIqV7aXIc-2FaEi-2FcawaUWf4HBP-2Fxt3VKfcRTE3r6UuAYQYUy-2FIoWItPiLUJE5TvR04AiFM4ZF8V3WszZUbNzimY9JtoT1vD8SGMGQ-3D), but that is hardly conclusive. Perhaps the hotel has RFID chips in the parking lot pass given to customers.

The leaked photos of Paddock’s room show a piece of paper visible that some thought might be a suicide note. According to police, it was a paper with calculation on distance and bullet drop heights at various angles of attack. That, to me, is another sign of a setup. Such detailed calculations are hardly necessary when shooting only 350 yards at a down angle at a huge parking lot. It smacks like planted “sniper evidence” to add to the single shooter official story.

The fact that so few spent casings were found on the floor indicates that Paddock, if not an outright patsy, couldn’t have been the only shooter even if he did fire some rounds to implicate the bump stock claims of authorities. There should have been piles of (over 800) empty cartridges on the floor.

It was a case of “me thinks he protests too much” when Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department Undersheriff Kevin McMahill said Friday, “He was the only shooter; I’m very confident of that,” McMahill said. “I’m also confident that there were no other people in the room leading up to this event.”

He’s probably basing this on the fact that after bursting into the room and finding Paddock dead on the floor, police claim they didn’t find anyone else there. But this is extremely flawed thinking. First of all, they didn’t burst into the room until over an hour after the shooting stopped, and they didn’t even arrive on the floor until 20 minutes after the shooting. An accomplice or the real shooter could have been long gone by then.

According to official police dispatch recordings at 10:25-32, almost 20 minutes after the shooting began, the police know exactly where Paddock is shooting from. “It’s Room 135 on the 32nd floor. I need SWAT.” “We have a four-man element at the very end of the hall.”

However, the dispatchers call fro SWAT only yields one man from a SWAT team. The “four man element” at the end of the hall is an eclectic group of other officers, CNN said (http://links.worldaffairsbrief.com/wf/click?upn=-2Fs0EHiZgDxpaqaIuHhjNmM3WSsVg7WfQwv3sV778xesBKz8N1OXZzAwMdOrHdFc6kNf-2F-2FbHndBicwv1x0G9E1MYdTB6-2FaOLY5mOxmiw0bxc-3D_w1okczmtJFS7ZgF8ERkxK-2B9LYyfXtFmMw1iLNKaE9MbwXa-2FYw6bLU6S6zz9-2Boiih0pznZ5BA9wMb2L9wXyLIoFPBciVZwezn2x-2Fu0BnO2ZxjdSmo6D4QbRqzZQaZSkQQOp-2F5J5xJZ7n15V4saMJldhyys21zsm0aqN97rV7KwGyaDurlHUpQI3FILIVB4r-2BcVEtzS0seHXV4MeNaAHnmUzQ-2FE9dTk-2F90bzd-2F2uUH-2Bfs-3D),

An improvised team of Las Vegas police officers — two K-9 officers, a detective and a SWAT team member — converged on the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino on October 1, as Stephen Paddock was firing into a crowd of 22,000 concertgoers. Minutes later, they breached the gunman’s hotel room door.

It was specialized training that allowed them to act so quickly, Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo told CBS’ 60 Minutes. “I think they prevented a thousand deaths, and I think it’s important for the American public to understand that,” Lombardo said Sunday.
There is no way that after this mass shooting with automatic weapons, the team that breaches the door (screwed closed to prevent forced entry) is going to be composed of 2 dog officers, a detective and a single SWAT team member. It would have been all SWAT team if their intent to stop the shooting was real, just as the dispatcher called for. The only way that SWAT was delayed, (and they had almost an hour) is that command authority intervened. They call out SWAT for every little drug bust, and yet no major SWAT team for this breach of the door?

Officials also continue to be silent about the use of the other room with the busted out window adjacent to Paddock’s complimentary suite, both as to its use or role in the shooting. Since either room had an unobstructed view of the target area, why break out two windows if there was only one shooter? It’s frustrating how police never address the obviously flaws in the official account.

Speaking of the broken out windows, I searched the internet the next day for a daylight video of the exterior of the Mandalay Bay hotel to see if there were broken out windows on the middle and lower floors where muzzle flashes were seen during the shooting. There were none, but there were two windows in that area with darkened window panes, indicating some other type of window material other than the gold tinted glass everywhere else or opened to reflect the light differently. In this video (http://links.worldaffairsbrief.com/wf/click?upn=cvPQbYiBDHaI5BtqwAYm-2B4D8P2JKLsO-2F9N5QHCEuD9R5w02WISapnJ9A2hdGX-2FfmDGOiN2GvoM9u0f7wka5NREKPZAFmXJBLeCAVk235Dc0-3D_w1okczmtJFS7ZgF8ERkxK-2B9LYyfXtFmMw1iLNKaE9MbwXa-2FYw6bLU6S6zz9-2Boiih0pznZ5BA9wMb2L9wXyLIoGqqJH-2F9SR2C9l7ZJmyou9QQ1KS1F3EojKXBoab1I96fppqPZUxQyp4ArSvpvNz5Y7xXkfbNInHRzuGgkB9MoRqcb-2FtAn9Qz88Xly5fpSE0V-2BRfELiLUy3-2B6QmnRZJDqDF0YZXPrt2ff8BU-2BeTcMJH0-3D) you see the muzzle flashes from a lower hotel window and in this video (http://links.worldaffairsbrief.com/wf/click?upn=APDBVBCPSGxSim-2BKUcMIrkwhncsj49qxbMJbpeIE539yTYsxCrx09xGRpjfNcaDvLt8OF0peOS1rjb6oCDERSg-3D-3D_w1okczmtJFS7ZgF8ERkxK-2B9LYyfXtFmMw1iLNKaE9MbwXa-2FYw6bLU6S6zz9-2Boiih0pznZ5BA9wMb2L9wXyLIoGvUkyaMHdC51J7SVBpOdm32tQFP5xuMX0lZuM91RMuoli3JqtVxIrnrV9poh61GAn50ODU4Sa sZTorPIzcUnjqVAoqF9QFgEeVfFaUkzP3fTYqrXO9MJMMIIy5-2Bcrjk4ElGG-2B-2BoJv2vvscU9MY9vjM-3D), at 1:24 min. mark, you can see there are several of the dark panes at that same location on the hotel. Could they be a special openable window pane? A window installer who worked on the Mandalay Bay said even the normal panes are capable of being opened in less than a couple of minutes if one knows the system.

Even though Paddock was obviously set up to take the entire blame for a multiple shooter operation, I still believe he was involved in some way due to the number of gun dealers that recognized him as being the purchaser of multiple semi-auto rifles, and thousands of rounds of ammo, including an attempt to buy tracers, which have little recreational shooting purposes. NBC noted (http://links.worldaffairsbrief.com/wf/click?upn=APDBVBCPSGxSim-2BKUcMIru48F10PZm-2BJUzUqOd4EhvmKw39qzWflQRTiKg7wkSoAgZiR1CZu4SeKgvr-2FbhcfSFGRFRJfLTczkBEVC2K-2BasRmVs5uWMvE0d9Yyk4U0eHbDiwGDPWAOvdoDuxLbkDJZ7QDHw6hBFvAbpb-2FF3OmCMb8K8oFOYudbHF64cUsdZX8_w1okczmtJFS7ZgF8ERkxK-2B9LYyfXtFmMw1iLNKaE9MbwXa-2FYw6bLU6S6zz9-2Boiih0pznZ5BA9wMb2L9wXyLIoB2VaJeBcVM5pf4jr5ZNaVjv-2FEYeL5ojUi-2FXJJcMyQiTL5ANu3GEBFraaf06cCtIDl1N78ocmGQTJK9NOXsoiFF6y2GxjgmY-2B7Hcw9-2BEToVLq-2FnKFt5nS7LobhpryA4e68yM6tGI8R7wYqwZqF3-2Fh3w-3D),

Law enforcement officials briefed on the investigation also said Friday that they had learned Paddock approached an ammunition dealer wanting to buy a large quantity of tracer rounds at a gun show in Phoenix last month.

The dealer did not have the quantity Paddock wanted, so Paddock did not end up buying anything from him, they said. The dealer told law enforcement that Paddock was neatly dressed and polite, and did not say anything that would raise a red flag. He gave the dealer the impression that he wanted the tracer rounds for recreational use with friends.

Law enforcement learned of the encounter because Paddock had an ammunition box bearing the dealer’s name.
Bill Still, who is a reliable source on the internet offered these additions to the story (http://links.worldaffairsbrief.com/wf/click?upn=APDBVBCPSGxSim-2BKUcMIrkwhncsj49qxbMJbpeIE53-2BU8-2FUvnPqIr2BmlUKdPV6D-2BdhcrX5tyX7DwOeL4Vv8UA-3D-3D_w1okczmtJFS7ZgF8ERkxK-2B9LYyfXtFmMw1iLNKaE9MbwXa-2FYw6bLU6S6zz9-2Boiih0pznZ5BA9wMb2L9wXyLIoLb-2FypbJmK6KVOT3DIbtyEZIuSjk6-2FtrFpm4qRvsFuk7HTOOlyzpxsUcb3qOXwd-2BovX4ubPtA2xHxmlodn5sv31t9BjKnwjsMipKWsCk2Z03kryw-2FWRA7WTulP6feUFdV-2B8cJYCZPVASKZ-2FXToTaiYs-3D):

1) Witnesses saw “security guards chasing other security guards” (this may have been the security guard in the reflective vest that I mentioned in the video in last Friday’s brief, who can be shown drawing a machine pistol and firing at the crowd around gate 7 (http://links.worldaffairsbrief.com/wf/click?upn=2RJzhU7KWOoZ7QRRZN800YJKABGnCAmg83kbDvdMXvzQIAXx8-2FSQdHeif4EerGMM-2FheHg4FtH-2FI8HJwl9ap3fST5cPi3O2Xl-2BtOWJrxFhdFYY5lL6rn7SaW6PvK-2FUNur69wah5zZZmgqj8bNCkIIT3kPo75u3t-2BR-2F-2FKUO1IzO4ALIbzYq60U0fzz5MvWtqjxaSSzLOcK-2BcpBEepWIJaKi9-2FX4C7J8WxXczlNRkqIBonZVpgrxZ0nDOFCOg3vEB5NIpcZs1-2Bz3ExhfGYjA-2FAh5Uhj91Ujo4z3ILgJiBirelrwPVsBVzFfkIW9eSOiJ-2BX-2FWh2KRRva-2BsBwOMjLbM8-2F0f4g7U6ex2vUGzNBKOXpYDY-3D_w1okczmtJFS7ZgF8ERkxK-2B9LYyfXtFmMw1iLNKaE9MbwXa-2FYw6bLU6S6zz9-2Boiih0pznZ5BA9wMb2L9wXyLIoL-2Fy2BWFdqkd4fKOJ84TNyU1KuNdTSZJDMHKmpBzDB4EdbZuJhMHo5dz9gF09bVNlDMku55X52-2BE-2FpmPmqkyyDfSWYnBqGw3MgjsQ0yBHHMlhIkZZolqt2xp-2Bltj6I9awDU2a48r4jJO1WBSsU7jay0-3D)).

2) The count of the rounds fired in one of the long bursts was 103 rounds with a 3/4 sec delay in between, and another of 72. That’s important because the largest capacity magazine found in the room was 100 round magazine—incapable of firing the 103 round burst. That means there was another shooter firing on the heels of the first shooter or using a belt fed machine gun.

3) All of the bump stock modified guns (2) in the room were jammed. This is typical of bump stock firing, and also an indication that Paddock could not have fired very many rounds.

4) Bill thinks Paddock was the patsy and the other accomplice in the room was there to kill him when his role as the patsy was complete.

Bill Deagle Report (42 minute podcast):

http://content.blubrry.com/nutrimedical/NutriMedicalReportFriOct13thHourThree.mp3

[Cidersomerset]

These two segments are from Rense Friday 13th radio show just released on his
u'tube channel.

Greg Palest former class mate of Steve Paddock understands how he could of
ended up doing this. It does give some of his background, profile and roots
through the eyes of a peer. It is speculation and interesting but not definitive.
Greg seems sold on the lone shooter narrative from his answers , and Jeff
did not challenge him on this just let him express his opinion on the whole.

SLeYd309f1k
Published on 16 Oct 2017
Greg Palest journalist and documentary maker...The Best Democracy Money Can
Buy ...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYzCv-niGZ4

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Jeff & Rick Ardito - Survived The Las Vegas Massacre
-UNFORGETTABLE Description

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Published on 16 Oct 2017
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This is Fox clip from the night , which was on the same U'tube link on the right.
It may already have been posted ?

Las Vegas Witness:"I saw the first person shot" | Two Shooters?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRjD54ymSCs

Published on 16 Oct 2017
Las Vegas Fox affiliate interviews "Stephanie", who is perhaps the first person who
was at the concert to be interviewed after the shooting according to Fox 5 KVVU.
Stephanie may have actually witnessed the first person shot during the Route 91
Harvest Country Music Festival. If this is true then that person was shot BEFORE
the main volley of bullets. We need help in finding who was in VIP section 6. If
anyone knows please comment and let us know.

Stephanie also believes there was more than one shooter as do many of her friends
who were actually there. She is seeking answers and so am I as we have now
become friends and her video raises some serious questions.

You can see that video here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VAqk...

[TrumanCash]

I just went on Google maps to take another look at the "twin towers" behind the stage. I don't know how this could be but there is an orange circle with a martini glass to (I guess) designate a drinking establish at the "twin towers"! And beside this symbol are the words "Shooter's Position"!

Is there anyone who can explain how this could be possible? Was google maps hacked or what? Or can just anyone put one of those markers on google maps?

The symbol appears when I zoom in at 50 feet on the scale.

Can anyone else verify this as well and can someone post the screen shot of it?

[Tintin]

Here's some interesting 'down on the ground' in the aftermath, with Jason Goodman talking to a survivor called Stephanie who was at the concert on that night. This video was streamed just under a day ago (today being Oct 16). So, some two weeks have elapsed obviously and her recollection comes across as being very genuine. This is one very brave young woman: she's effectively retracing her movements of the night during escaping. It's sobering and I think important, as is arguably prospectively this sort of testimony.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Nb911v8Q3E

Gentle note to anybody popping in to listen to this: it does require some patience as the sound quality isn't the best at times. I recommend headphones are used. What she does have to share is very important and revealing in as much as it does verify other shooters, certainly. I do hope you can make the effort - thanks. She has been genuinely bold to come forward with this and is definitely worth a listen. This is a very personal experience being shared here. Well worth sticking with if you can make the time.

[Cidersomerset]

NEW VEGAS UPDATES - Key Witness Debunked / Paddock Gun Runner For ATF/FBI

mCvrP7Ue-bA

Published on 17 Oct 2017
10/17/2017 Tonight's private MFA Underground show with MFA - March For America
Founder/CEO "Scott J Binsack"... "NEW VEGAS UPDATES - "Key Witness Brian Hodge
Debunked / Paddock Running Guns For ATF/FBI"

"Scott Binsack" re-visits key video evidence of muzzle flash and proves it's not coming
from the 4th floor of the Mandalay Bay but from across the concert venue from either
the Church or the Tropicana. He further proves that alleged key witness and next room
over guest from Paddock's 32nd-floor suit Australian Brian Hodge is a possible fraud.
Scott also exposes new info he received from a top source that "Stephen Paddock" was
running guns from Arizona to Las Vegas for the ATF and FBI - Another Fast and Furious
exposed!! A show not to miss!!

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Las Vegas security guard in hiding: What do we know?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUxYTOmc-lk

Published on 17 Oct 2017
The Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino security guard who was shot during the Las
Vegas massacre has gone into hiding. Jesus Campos was scheduled to share his
story in TV interviews last week, but canceled his appearances at the last minute—
and hasn't been seen since. Here’s what we know.

[TrumanCash]

I just went on Google maps to take another look at the "twin towers" behind the stage. I don't know how this could be but there is an orange circle with a martini glass to (I guess) designate a drinking establish at the "twin towers"! And beside this symbol are the words "Shooter's Position"!

Is there anyone who can explain how this could be possible? Was google maps hacked or what? Or can just anyone put one of those markers on google maps?

The symbol appears when I zoom in at 50 feet on the scale.

Can anyone else verify this as well and can someone post the screen shot of it?

I want to bump this video from Cider's post above. Another witness, Rick Ardito, confirms that the shooting was preceded by FIRECRACKERS, not gun fire. He is the second person I've heard that confirmed this.

He also confirms shooting "from the south" and on the left hand side of the stage when looking at the stage. This could indicate shooting from the "twin towers" or perhaps from the street level area in back of and at the east side of the stage, very close. Theoretically, a shooter could have shot through the fence there or from the billboard there at the beginning of Giles St. I wonder what was in that flat area on the night of shooting if anything. Was there anything there besides the billboard to provide cover for a shooter?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mZdlOKdWdI

[crosby]

Hey everyone, I found this video last night from a woman who was there. Her video gives pretty good detail and has not had an excessive amount of views as of yet. I'm not sure if this has been posted yet, but it is relatively new -posted on the 14th- . Here's the link:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXBfCIukLmA
Sorry if this has been posted already, I didn't see it......
warmest,
crosby.




From Bill: Yes, posted here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100040-Active-shooter-in-Las-Vegas-59-dead-546-injured&p=1185614&highlight=BXBfCIukLmA#post1185614) a couple days ago, but definitely deserves to be bumped. It's another totally real, detailed eye-witness account that has to be heard.

[TrumanCash]

The following videos show that the alleged "muzzle flashes" at Mandalay Bay were actually a strobe light.

Analysis of strobe light video from taxi:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9axVG7j6kP4

Strobe light after shooting:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RpvVwsodHE

Strobe light before shooting during "God Bless America" sing along:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlW4t3Ky0Ew

In the video below Scott Binsack believes that the strobing light in the window at Mandalay Bay is a reflection of muzzle flashes.

However, if one compares three other angles in the videos above it reveals that the flashing light in all four videos is the same place from videos shot from four different angles which would be impossible if it were a reflection. Therefore, Binsack is not correct in his analysis and he even concludes that the Tropicana--over 2,000 feet away--is the most possible position of the shooter and this shooter's muzzle flashes are reflected in the 4th floor window from a distance of 7 football fields away. Given all the lights of the Las Vegas strip I find this conclusion to be rather absurd. A muzzle flash this far away would not even be visible in the reflections of the Mandalay Bay windows. Please someone correct me if I am wrong. (There could have been a shooter at or near the Tropicana but it's just too far away for muzzle flashes to show up brightly in a Mandalay window that could be seen from the four vantage points that were hundreds of feet away from that window.)

You can actually locate the strobing light in all four videos by counting from the vertical lines between rooms starting with the one on the point of the right arm of Mandalay which is the far right vertical line. If you count from that line you will see in all the videos that the strobing light is always on the left of the 7th vertical line and coming from the same room.

I have listened to Scott Binsack's reports and appreciate his efforts to provide additional information but I do not trust his conclusions at all and this example is the main reason why his conclusions should be questioned.

It appears that the most likely explanation is that there is a strobing light in that room. Maybe it was put there as a distraction or maybe it's just people partying and any interruption of the flashing could be caused simply by someone walking in front of it (between the window and the strobing light in the room).

The fact that this strobing light has confused so many people seems to point to the intentional placement of the strobe light as a distraction (speculation on my part). Add to the mix the testimony of the police officer who said there was a "flashing light" in Paddock's alleged room on the 32nd floor and it becomes even more suspicious IMO.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCvrP7Ue-bA

[Iloveyou]

Can anyone else verify this as well and can someone post the screen shot of it?

.....................................................

Whoever did it, that was a good idea. But this bar will be closed soon.

[ThePythonicCow]

Or can just anyone put one of those markers on google maps?
Yes, more or less anyone who views maps while logged into a Google account can add items to Google Maps.


But this bar will be closed soon.
Yup - it already seems to be "closed" (the marker removed from Google maps.)

[Satori]

These two segments are from Rense Friday 13th radio show just released on his
u'tube channel.

Greg Palest former class mate of Steve Paddock understands how he could of
ended up doing this. It does give some of his background, profile and roots
through the eyes of a peer. It is speculation and interesting but not definitive.
Greg seems sold on the lone shooter narrative from his answers , and Jeff
did not challenge him on this just let him express his opinion on the whole.

SLeYd309f1k
Published on 16 Oct 2017
Greg Palest journalist and documentary maker...The Best Democracy Money Can
Buy ...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYzCv-niGZ4

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Jeff & Rick Ardito - Survived The Las Vegas Massacre
-UNFORGETTABLE Description

_mZdlOKdWdI

Published on 16 Oct 2017
The Jeff Rense Radio Archives contain interviews with over 18,000 people over
a period of 24 years. Access and listen to some of the most stunning people of
our times in often unforgettable interviews just like this one. Click here for full
details. " http://www.renseradio.com/signup.htm " Get started today!


===================================================

This is Fox clip from the night , which was on the same U'tube link on the right.
It may already have been posted ?

Las Vegas Witness:"I saw the first person shot" | Two Shooters?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRjD54ymSCs

Published on 16 Oct 2017
Las Vegas Fox affiliate interviews "Stephanie", who is perhaps the first person who
was at the concert to be interviewed after the shooting according to Fox 5 KVVU.
Stephanie may have actually witnessed the first person shot during the Route 91
Harvest Country Music Festival. If this is true then that person was shot BEFORE
the main volley of bullets. We need help in finding who was in VIP section 6. If
anyone knows please comment and let us know.

Stephanie also believes there was more than one shooter as do many of her friends
who were actually there. She is seeking answers and so am I as we have now
become friends and her video raises some serious questions.

You can see that video here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VAqk...

Greg Palast is NOT to be trusted! He is a shill and always has been. They rolled him out now in a failed effort to support the official theme. They rolled him out after 911, then they put him back in his box. He's a slick talker, but its often all slime.

[Hym]

Palast is who you said he is Satori. I met him at a book signing some few years back, in SF, and asked him about his knowledge of a particular group's criminal activities. He went from being cordial to being very afraid. I wouldn't trust him to investigate how many times in a day a dog takes a dump, even as much as the content of his narratives contains the same outcome. And, by the way, I love and trust my dog.

[Cidersomerset]

Greg Palast is NOT to be trusted! He is a shill and always has been.
They rolled him out now in a failed effort to support the official theme.
They rolled him out after 911, then they put him back in his box.
He's a slick talker, but its often all slime.

I don't know if you listened to it ? It does have some insights but
I think Jeff did not bother bringing up other options as it was clear
what Greg's view is . I think some of his views bs and so did Jeff but
it was not worth pursuing with him. Maybe I should have commented
more but I did not want to influence as I thought his descriptions of
Stephen Paddock made him a more likely candidate to be recruited by
intel agencies or criminal cartels.

[Satori]

Greg Palast is NOT to be trusted! He is a shill and always has been.
They rolled him out now in a failed effort to support the official theme.
They rolled him out after 911, then they put him back in his box.
He's a slick talker, but its often all slime.

I don't know if you listened to it ? It does have some insights but
I think Jeff did not bother bringing up other options as it was clear
what Greg's view is . I think some of his views bs and so did Jeff but
it was not worth pursuing with him. Maybe I should have commented
more but I did not want to influence as I thought his descriptions of
Stephen Paddock made him a more likely candidate to be recruited by
intel agencies or criminal cartels.

Cidersomerset, I did not listen. I apologize if my post seemed harsh and directed at you. it was not. It was directed at Palast.

I used to read his work and listen to him. Then, I bought a book that he published after 911. (I forget the title.) In about the 50-59 page range he said words to the effect that 9/11 occurred just as we were told by official sources and that we needed to get over it. No conspiracy beyond OBL. (Not too unlike Noam Chomsky.) I immediately closed the book, tossed it somewhere and never read or listened to a word from him again (nor Noam Chomsky).

And, my decision to do this was also informed by attending a presentation Palast gave here in Albuquerque some 12 years or so ago before I bought the book just mentioned. That presentation left me feeling very trepidatious about him and what his motives are. The book sealed the deal for me.

[Bill Ryan]

In the video below Scott Binsack believes that the strobing light in the window at Mandalay Bay is a reflection of muzzle flashes.

However, if one compares three other angles in the videos above it reveals that the flashing light in all four videos is the same place from videos shot from four different angles which would be impossible if it were a reflection. Therefore, Binsack is not correct in his analysis and he even concludes that the Tropicana--over 2,000 feet away--is the most possible position of the shooter and this shooter's muzzle flashes are reflected in the 4th floor window from a distance of 7 football fields away.

That's quite correct. Scott Binsack just doesn't understand the physics of reflection. :facepalm:

[ThePythonicCow]

I have listened to Scott Binsack's reports and appreciate his efforts to provide additional information but I do not trust his conclusions at all and this example is the main reason why his conclusions should be questioned.
Yes - agreed - unfortunately.

It's nice having an energetic investigator who knows the Las Vegas scene ... but he speaks with overly repetitive, excessively certainty of stuff, at least in this case involving the geometry of reflections, that he understands far less than he realizes.

Not only does the geometry not work if multiple viewers from different angles see the flashes in the same window, but it also doesn't work if someone on the ground sees a reflection from a 4th floor window (a fair way up on the Mandalay).

To reflect down to the ground from a fairly high location off flat windows, the light source would have to be that much higher again, if coming from the same distance from the Mandalay as the viewer, or would have to be far higher in the sky if coming from as far away as the back side building of the Tropicana (far higher than that building goes.)

Some of what he says I figure is accurate, but since he doesn't seem to know himself what portion of what he says is on solid ground, and what portion is clouded by his relative ignorance, anyone (such as myself) listening to him has to apply that filter ourselves ... a not unusual state of affairs.

But in any case, the degree of certainty that he himself expresses in his pronouncements is a very poor indicator of their accuracy.

Dang.

P.S. -- Good grief. Binsack spends over 20 minutes in his latest video, from before the 50 minute mark to after the 1 hour 10 minute mark, telling us that Mr. Hodge hid in the bushes for hours ... saying that over and over and ... if I had been playing a drinking game, one drink for every time Binsack said the word "bushes" ... I'd be dead now from alcohol poisoning.

[Star Tsar]

Project Camelot

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9ISg1MkwCf8/UJVPNmE0t7I/AAAAAAAACwU/2b8J1uxfE7k/s1600/project-camelot-logo.png

Dr. James Fetzer & Scott Bennett | Vegas Update

Published 17th September 2017

Kerry talks with Dr. James Fetzer ( jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/ ) and Dr. Scott Bennett, author and former officer with a high level clearance inside a US military PSYOPS division, about all the evidence surrounding the Mandalay Bay shooting in Vegas

They do a roundup on all evidence to date.

x8hz0Ltxh7s

[ThePythonicCow]

Kerry talks with Dr. James Fetzer ( jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/ ) and Dr. Scott Bennett ...
From the few snippets of this that I just listened to now, this is not a particularly helpful interview.

Jim Fetzer does most of the talking, as he usually does, and he presents the various discrepancies in the Las Vegas shooting stories that I suspect were planted early in the days following the event, to provide the (more or less equally false) alternative-media conspiracy theory stories, that dispel the main stream media stories, but that are equally riddled with distractions and deceptions.

For example, at the 1:56:43 mark, Fetzer is concluding that no one died at Las Vegas except for one (or a few ... I've not listened that far yet) specific named exceptions

In my estimation, formed long ago as I tried to make sense of 9/11, Fetzer is a disinformation agent.

[ThePythonicCow]

Dimitri Orlov has accumulated a list of links to 59 Youtube videos of people who were at the Route 91 Harvest Festival the night of 1 October 2017, reporting on what they heard and saw -- the gun shots, the blood, the dead: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2017/10/the-limits-of-gullibility.html (http://cluborlov.com/#1633485209146973124).

I've listened to a couple of the videos - they tell a horrific tale.

[turiya]

Ole Dammegard Interview going into the Masonic / Freemasonry / Deep-State elements of the multiple gunmen Las Vegas shooting...


Ole Dammegard Caravan Interview
on the Las Vegas Shooting
(Published Oct 17, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkGvFqtpjWg_________________

Freeman High School in Rockford, Washington...
...Deadly shooting at the high school Wednesday, Sept. 13, 2017


http://www.edweek.org/media/2017/09/14/xschool-shooting-washington-blog-story.jpg.pagespeed.ic.rzkdWLwfQU.jpg
Photo: Dan Pelle, MBO
(Dan Pelle/The Spokesman-Review via AP)
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Product Placement by photographer David Becker/getty images... Malibu Rum


http://static.lakana.com/media.fox2detroit.com/photo/2017/10/02/GettyImages-856494864_1506950782825_4250832_ver1.0_640_360.jpg
Photo by David Becker/getty images


https://www.bizbash.com/content/editorial/StoryPhoto/big/e20175Ageneral_David_63863800_Max.jpg
Malibu Rum was among the exhibitors. Photo: David Becker/WireImage.com

_________________

The Biggest Company
You've Never Heard Of
(Dec 30, 2009)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szNLMtgI7hU

[ThePythonicCow]

Continuing the analysis, and now relying on Miles Mathis' latest paper, Las Vegas Hoax. Another multi-layer melange of impossibilities and planted liars (pdf) (http://mileswmathis.com/lasveg.pdf), it seems as plain as day now that several of the early dramatic images that we saw of people trying to escape the gun fire were staged.

Consider (as Miles does) the following image:

http://thepythoniccow.us/Vegas_fake_crowd_Original.jpg



I was a journalist for 10+ years. If I had been assigned to do an article on that concert, I would not be standing there taking notes with it raining bullets and people running, injured and killed. I don't think it would be crazy to question why Becker was there. Did Getty assign him to take photos of the concert? Was the concert that big of a deal for Getty to send a photographer to take photos? It could be that he went for a local paper, but the shooting images were bought by Getty.



Product Placement by photographer David Becker/getty images... Malibu Rum

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Photo by David Becker/getty images

Aha - Ole Dammegard may have solved the mystery of the first image above, of the people hiding behind and climbing over the low fence.

Ole Dammegard has become an expert in studying how such false flags are done, in both Europe and the US.

He observes that many of the images shown after a major false flag were shot in the days leading up to the event, during the drills that are done before hand.

My guess now is that both images above were not shot on the night of October 1, but during the FEMA drills that took place in the days preceeding.

[Did You See Them]

Ellen interview with Campos.

https://streamable.com/u95l9

He was shot 6 mins BEFORE the crowd was fired on yet he says he heard what he thought was drilling then realized it was automatic fire.

So when did he get shot ?

[Tintin]

Ellen interview with Campos.

https://streamable.com/u95l9

He was shot 6 mins BEFORE the crowd was fired on yet he says he heard what he thought was drilling then realized it was automatic fire.

So when did he get shot ?

Um, very sceptical at the moment about anything tied to the names of Campo, Paddock or ISIS or gun-running - not buying any of it. The narrative being framed by MSM is so ridiculous, and made up completely, by design to distract. If any of these individuals or ISIS had anything whatsoever to do with this whole mess then I'll eat my words. Don't believe a word of it, today. I think this MSM narrative has begun to eat itself.

[TargeT]

My guess now is that both images above were not shot on the night of October 1, but during the FEMA drills that took place in the days preceeding.

who's job was it to cover the ground in trash for the drill, then clean it up, where would you even source that many clean empty bottles and beer cans?

The expense of that alone makes that theory less workable.

Or maybe they are just getting better at attention to detail with these things?

[mgray]

Continuing the analysis, and now relying on Miles Mathis' latest paper, Las Vegas Hoax. Another multi-layer melange of impossibilities and planted liars (pdf) (http://mileswmathis.com/lasveg.pdf), it seems as plain as day now that several of the early dramatic images that we saw of people trying to escape the gun fire were staged.

Consider (as Miles does) the following image:

http://thepythoniccow.us/Vegas_fake_crowd_Original.jpg


The guy far left with the cocktail in his hand tells me he is not to stressed or had to do much physical maneuvers to get there.

[ThePythonicCow]

who's job was it to cover the ground in trash for the drill, then clean it up, where would you even source that many clean empty bottles and beer cans?

The expense of that alone makes that theory less workable.

Perhaps they run the drill at oh-dark-hundred (early morning, an hour or two after a real, public, event, before the ground crew cleans up anyway, the next morning) ?

[ThePythonicCow]

Dimitri Orlov has accumulated a list of links to 59 Youtube videos of people who were at the Route 91 Harvest Festival the night of 1 October 2017, reporting on what they heard and saw -- the gun shots, the blood, the dead: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2017/10/the-limits-of-gullibility.html (http://cluborlov.com/#1633485209146973124).

I've listened to a couple of the videos - they tell a horrific tale.

I listened to parts of another dozen of these ... I'm getting the sense that most of the interviews done "live on scene by the major media" that night are scripted, not real. There are too many people saying almost the same thing with similar wording and insufficient deep stress.

I'm also getting the sense that the video of the people running, or on the ground, that is being shown in the background during these news clips is video that was shot during the drills the previous days, as there are too few people, no blood or gore, and too little panic. The automatic weapons fire in these videos might well be overlayed sound, not the actual sound at the time of the real shooting. Much of this video shown on the major media over the next day has the Mandalay Bay building in the background ... planting that connection of the Mandalay Bay with this shooting in the viewer's mind.

I've little doubt that the content of this first day's main stream news reports was rougly planned out ahead of time, and not left to chance. The news media is not interviewing actual victims.

Ole Dammegard's comments, in his interview above with John B Wells on The Caravan to Midnight, helped shift my perceptions of these early interviews, video, sound tracks, ... Dammegard and Wells are two of the finest.

[Noelle]

Continuing the analysis, and now relying on Miles Mathis' latest paper, Las Vegas Hoax. Another multi-layer melange of impossibilities and planted liars (pdf) (http://mileswmathis.com/lasveg.pdf), it seems as plain as day now that several of the early dramatic images that we saw of people trying to escape the gun fire were staged.

Consider (as Miles does) the following image:

http://thepythoniccow.us/Vegas_fake_crowd_Original.jpg


The guy far left with the cocktail in his hand tells me he is not to stressed or had to do much physical maneuvers to get there.

Very interesting. I know, the cowboy hat-wearing guy really stands out as odd. He sits holding his drink with hundreds of empty drink containers scattered in the foreground. My first thoughts were that someone at Getty, owned by Carlyle, I believe, assigned the photographer to the concert, knowing what would go down that night.

[Noelle]

Continuing the analysis, and now relying on Miles Mathis' latest paper, Las Vegas Hoax. Another multi-layer melange of impossibilities and planted liars (pdf) (http://mileswmathis.com/lasveg.pdf), it seems as plain as day now that several of the early dramatic images that we saw of people trying to escape the gun fire were staged.

Consider (as Miles does) the following image:

http://thepythoniccow.us/Vegas_fake_crowd_Original.jpg


The guy far left with the cocktail in his hand tells me he is not to stressed or had to do much physical maneuvers to get there.

He appears in a couple of other photos too that were circulated by MSM.

[Bill Ryan]

Kerry talks with Dr. James Fetzer ( jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/ ) and Dr. Scott Bennett ...
From the few snippets of this that I just listened to now, this is not a particularly helpful interview.



Right! :facepalm: It's actually pretty dreadful.

[turiya]

The photographer of the Las Vegas
shooting thought it was a false alarm
until he saw his pictures
(https://qz.com/1092548/las-vegas-shooting-interview-the-photographer-of-the-las-vegas-shooting-thought-it-was-a-false-alarm-until-he-saw-the-details-in-his-pictures/)
https://www.themorningchronicle.in/wp-content/uploads/People-scramble-for-shelter-at-the-Route-91-Harvest-country-music-festival-Photo-by-David-Becker-Getty-Images-660x381.jpg
People scramble for shelter at the Route 91 Harvest country music festival.
(Photo by David Becker/Getty Images)


David Becker is a freelance photographer. On Oct. 1, he was assigned to photograph the Route 91 Harvest country music festival in Las Vegas for Getty Images. But in a matter of seconds, his job changed from covering a slate of the biggest country music acts to covering the largest mass shooting in modern (https://qz.com/1092736/las-vegas-shooting-victims-a-recent-high-school-grad-an-off-duty-police-officer-a-nurse/) US history.

His photos offer a rare inside perspective into the chaos and confusion that emerged from the night. In a statement provided to Quartz from Getty Images, the photographer recalls his steps:
After capturing photographs of the final act of the Route 91 Harvest country music festival, I headed back to the media tent to start filing my photographs. After about 5-10 minutes I heard very loud popping sounds and I went outside to see what was happening and a security guy said it was just “fire crackers”, so I went back to work. The second time I heard the popping sounds somebody said to me “it was just speakers or sound equipment” and again, I went back into the media tent and continued to work. Then the noises went again and that was when the crowd started to flee.

Once the crowd started to flee I went outside and saw a lot of people panicking and running for the exit that was right by the media tent. I grabbed my camera and went back outside and found a place where I could see what was happening and also wouldn’t be in the way of people, so I stood on a table and started to shoot – thinking to myself still, that this isn’t really happening, it’s just the speakers popping. It was so dark I couldn’t really see what was happening, there were a lot of people crying, speaking on cell phones and ducking for cover. As the crowd thinned out I was able to go a little closer to try and see what was going on and take some more pictures, and I’m still thinking to myself “it’s just the speakers, there is nothing going on”.

There were groups of people helping each other everywhere and a real sense of people running for cover. People were fleeing, they were panicking. The gun fire was sporadic, it would stop and then more shots, then a lull and then more shots. I could hear people yelling at them to shut off the lights, to be quiet. People were cowering, they were very fearful for their lives. A woman tripped right in front of me, a man shielded a woman with his body before I saw them both get up and run away, a man in a wheelchair was helped to an exit. I was trying to capture anything that was moving and that had good lighting. That was critical, it was so dark and there was limited lighting it was really hard to get a sense of what was happening. At this stage I still just thought it was a speaker popping, so I was trying to capture people’s emotions and a sense of the panic that was around me.

I went back into the media tent and called my colleague to see if he could find out what was happening, as I still didn’t know what was going on, and he said that he had found out that the police had called a Code Red and set up a perimeter. It was then I started looking at my photographs and what I was seeing was just unbelievable. It had been so dark outside I couldn’t see the details, I just saw a lot of people laying on the ground thinking they were playing possum, but now I could see people covered in blood and I thought, this is real. When I saw the image of the woman lying on the ground covered in blood, that was when the impact of what I was experiencing hit; when I realized people were dying.

I kept editing and filing my photographs, the power had been cut so I was working off the light of my laptop, until after 5-10 minutes everyone was evacuated and I was escorted to my car. I worked the rest of the night and into the morning capturing the police officers moving in and the wounded helping each other on the streets.

When I stop and think, it’s hard to comprehend what I witnessed. I was on autopilot, just doing my job capturing what was happening, which I think is important. Impactful images like these tell a story, they move people to think twice about doing anything like this, they move governments to change policies to prevent horrific acts like these happening again. I’ve been doing this work for many years and it is instinct to photograph first and ask questions later. It probably seems irrational to just walk out and take pictures of people running for cover, but that is second nature for a photojournalist.

Source: QUARTZ (https://qz.com/1092548/las-vegas-shooting-interview-the-photographer-of-the-las-vegas-shooting-thought-it-was-a-false-alarm-until-he-saw-the-details-in-his-pictures/)

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A Closer Look at Getty Images....


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Getty Images
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Getty Images, Inc. is an American stock photo agency (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_photography), with headquarters in Seattle, Washington, United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States). It is a supplier of stock images for business and consumers with an archive of 80 million still images and illustrations and more than 50,000 hours of stock film footage. It targets three markets—creative professionals (advertising and graphic design), the media (print and online publishing), and corporate (in-house design, marketing and communication departments).

Getty has distribution offices around the world and capitalizes on the Internet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet) and CD-ROM (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-ROM) collections for distribution. As Getty has acquired other older photo agencies and archives, it has digitized (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digitizing) their collections, enabling online distribution. Getty Images now operates a large commercial website (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_commerce) which allows clients to search and browse for images, purchase usage rights and download images. Costs of images vary according to the chosen resolution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_resolution) and type of rights associated with each image. The company also offers custom photo services for corporate clients.


Contents


1 History (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#History)
2 Acquisitions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#Acquisitions)
3 Corporate ownership and management (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#Corporate_ownership_and_management)
4 Copyright enforcement (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#Copyright_enforcement)
5 Copyright infringement lawsuits (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#Copyright_infringement_lawsuits)
6 Prestige Grant (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#Prestige_Grant)
7 Renowned photographers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#Renowned_photographers)
8 See also (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#See_also)
9 References (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#References)
10 External links (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#External_links)

History


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The Getty Images gallery at Eastcastle Street, London.
In 1995, Mark Getty (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Getty) and Chief Executive Officer Jonathan Klein (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Klein_(Getty_Images)) co-founded Getty Investments LLC. Mark Getty is the company's chairman. In September 1997, Getty Communications, as it was called at the time, merged with PhotoDisc, Inc. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhotoDisc) to form Getty Images. In April 2003, Getty Images entered into a partnership with Agence France-Presse (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agence_France-Presse) (AFP) to market each other's images.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-1)
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-1)
Getty Images acquired the Michael Ochs Archives (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ochs_Archives) in February 2007.[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-Getty-2) The Michael Ochs Archives were described by The New York Times (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times) as "the premier source of musician photography in the world".[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-3)
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-3)
In 2008, the private equity firm Hellman & Friedman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellman_%26_Friedman) (H&F) acquired Getty Images. In 2012, H&F put Getty up for sale.[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-Bl01-4) As of the ensuing sale to Carlyle Group (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlyle_Group), the company was said to have an archive that included 80 million stills and illustrations.[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-NYT01-5)
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-NYT01-5)
In 2015, Jonathan Klein (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Klein_(Getty_Images)) became the company's chairman and Dawn Airey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawn_Airey) was hired as Chief executive officer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_executive_officer) (CEO) of Getty Images.[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-6)[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-7)[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-8)

Acquisitions


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PhotoDisc (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhotoDisc)'s online image sales website (2000)
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The Hulton Archive (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picture_Post#Hulton_Picture_Library) website (2001)

Since its formation, Getty Images has pursued an aggressive programme of acquisition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takeover), buying up many privately owned agencies that had built up the stock photography industry, from small family-run firms to larger agencies. By 1999 it had acquired one of the largest agencies, Tony Stone Images (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Stone_Images); the online art seller Art.com; the sports photography agency Allsport (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allsport); the market leader in the Benelux and Scandinavia: Word View (1996, from Mr. Bert Blokhuis, 4 offices, for undisclosed sum); journalistic specialists Liaison Agency; Newsmakers the first digital news photo agency; Online USA, a specialist in celebrity shots; and the Hulton Press Library (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulton_Press_Library), the former archive of the British photojournalistic magazine Picture Post. The Hulton collection was sold by the BBC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC) to Brian Deutsch in 1988, when it was renamed Hulton Deutsch. In 1996, the Hulton collection was sold on once more, this time purchased by Getty Images and renamed Hulton Getty. With the acquisition of the Hulton library, Getty Images took ownership of the rights to some 15 million photographs from the British press archives dating back to the Nineteenth Century. Hulton Getty also included photographs from the Keystone Collection (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_View_Company), as well as images by notable photographers such as Bert Hardy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bert_Hardy), Bill Brandt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Brandt), Weegee (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weegee) and Ernst Haas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Haas).[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-hulton_archive-9)

Getty has branched out into stock audio, music and sound effects. And also video with the acquisition of EyeWire and Energy Film Library.[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-image-ethics-10) Getty has partnered with other companies including Slidely (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slidely) for companies and advertisers to use the Getty Images video library of around 2 million videos.[11] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-11)

In 2000, Getty acquired one of its main competitors, Archive Photos of New York (a division of The Image Bank (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Image_Bank)), for US$183 million.[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-image-ethics-10) The Archive Photos library was combined with the Hulton Getty collection to form a new subsidiary, Hulton Archive. Archive Photos had been formed in 1990 from the merger of Pictorial Parade (est. 1935) and Frederick Lewis Stock Photos (est. 1938), two well-established US photo agencies. Their collections included archive images from The New York Times (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times), Metronome (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metronome_magazine) and George Eastman House (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Eastman_House), and works by photographers such as Ruth Orkin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Orkin), Anacleto Rapping (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anacleto_Rapping), Deborah Feingold, Murray Garrett, Nat Fein (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nat_Fein) and John Filo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Filo).[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-hulton_archive-9)

Further acquisitions followed, with the purchase in 2004 of image.net for US$20 million.[12] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-12) On February 9, 2006, the microstock (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microstock_photography) photo website iStockphoto (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IStockphoto) was acquired by Getty Images for US$50 million.[13] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-13) In 2007, Getty successfully purchased its largest competitor, MediaVast, for $207 million. The acquisition meant that Getty Images gained control of WireImage (Entertainment, creative, and sports photography), FilmMagic (fashion and red carpet photography), Contour Photos (portrait and studio photography). Getty Images also acquired a host of other subsidiaries including "Master Delegates" who include: Isifa Image Service in Prague (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague), Laura Ronchi in Italy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy).[14] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-14)

On October 23, 2008, Getty Images announced their intention to buy Jupitermedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupitermedia)'s online images division, Jupiterimages, for $96 million in cash.[15] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-reuters-jupiter-15) The sale went ahead in February 2009; Jupiterimages (including the sites stock.xchng (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock.xchng) and StockXpert (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StockXpert)) is now a wholly owned subsidiary of Getty, while Jupitermedia, now trading as WebMediaBrands (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebMediaBrands), continues its internet publishing business which was not sold to Getty Images.[16] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-getty-feb-16)

On January 25, 2016, Corbis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branded_Entertainment_Network) announced that it had sold its image licensing business, including the Corbis Images, Corbis Motion and Veer libraries and their associated assets, to an affiliate of Visual China Group (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_China_Group)—Getty's exclusive distributor in China. Concurrently, it was announced that VCG would, after a transition period, license distribution and marketing of the Corbis library outside of China to Getty. The firm will also be responsible for managing Corbis's physical archives.[17] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-variety-corbissold-17)[18] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-time-imagewar-18)

Corporate ownership and management

In February 2008, it was announced that Getty Images would be acquired by the private equity firm Hellman & Friedman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellman_%26_Friedman) in a transaction valued at an estimated US$2.4 billion.[19] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-19) On July 2, 2008, Getty Images announced the completion of its acquisition. Getty Images common stock ceased trading on the New York Stock Exchange (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Stock_Exchange) at the close of the acquisition and was delisted from the NYSE.[20] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-20)

In 2012, H&F engaged investment bankers to sell the company. While a price of $4 billion was initially discussed, in August when the private equity firm Carlyle Group emerged as the likely acquirer, the price under consideration was said to be $3.3–3.4 billion. CVC Capital Partners (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CVC_Capital_Partners) Ltd. was also said to have been bidding but had yet to top Carlyle's price.[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-Bl01-4) The sale to Carlyle thereafter was announced at $3.3 billion, with co-founders Getty and Klein and the Getty family all carrying their investments over into the new ownership structure. Getty will also continue to serve as chairman and Klein as chief executive.[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-NYT01-5)

Copyright enforcement


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An image available at Getty Images, displaying a watermark (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watermark) with "Getty Images", the author's name, and a file-ID number (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ID_number). This watermark exists on all images on Getty Images when previewing the images, to prevent piracy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_piracy).
Beginning in 2008, Getty Images has created controversy in its manner of pursuing copyright enforcement on behalf of its photographers. Rather than pursue a policy of sending out "cease and desist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cease_and_desist)" notices, Getty typically mails out a demand letter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demand_letter) claiming substantial sums of damages to owners of websites which it believes have used their images in infringement of their photographers' copyright. Getty commonly tries to intimidate website owners by sending collection agents, even though a demand letter cannot create a debt.[21] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-Guardian-21)

One photographer noted: "courts don't like to be used as a means of extortion." In one case, Getty sent a church in Lichfield (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lichfield), Staffordshire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staffordshire), a £6,000 bill for photographs used on its website, apparently placed there by a church volunteer. In this case, the church offered to pay Getty what it thought was a reasonable amount. The diocese (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diocese)'s communications director said:

Getty was not playing ball or following the normal litigation or dispute resolution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispute_resolution) procedures and [I advised the church] to ignore them. We don't deal with bullies; we deal with legal threats (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_threat) appropriately. I told [Getty] by letter that's what [the church was] doing, that we were not going to play, and didn't hear any more.[21] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-Guardian-21)
The Guardian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardian) described other instances in which Getty or other stock photo businesses dropped the matter when a website owner refused to pay and hired a lawyer. A law firm was quoted as saying: "Once we get involved generally Getty does back off."[21] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-Guardian-21)

In 2009, Oscar Michelen, a New York attorney who focuses on such damages claims, said: "The damages they're requesting aren't equal to the copyright infringement," and "there's no law that says definitively what images are worth in the digital age."[22] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-latimes1-22) He called Getty's effort to assess four-figure fines "a legalized form of extortion."[22] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-latimes1-22)

In an effort to combat online copyright infringement, in March 2014 Getty Images made over 35 million images available free for non-commercial online use via embedding with attribution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribution_(copyright)) and a link back to the Getty Images website.[23] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-23)[24] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-24) According to Getty Images executive Craig Peters, "The principle is to turn what's infringing use with good intentions, turning that into something that's valid licensed use with some benefits going back to the photographer".[25] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-25)

Copyright infringement lawsuits

In 2009, Car-Freshener Corp. filed a lawsuit against Getty Images in U.S. Federal Court (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Federal_Court), Northern District New York (Case 7:09-cv-01252-GTS -GHL).[26] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-26) Car-Freshener claimed that Getty Images had in its catalog photos that included the famous "tree-shaped" trademarked car fresheners. In 2011, Getty Images attempted to have the case dismissed, but its motion was denied.[27] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-CourtroomStrategy2011-27) In 2012, Getty Images agreed to settle by paying $100,000 to Car-Freshener Corp., but admitted no wrongdoing.[28] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-CourtroomStrategy2012-28)

In September 2013, Avril Nolan brought a $450,000 suit against Getty Images. Nolan alleged Getty Images improperly allowed her image to be used in advertisements depicting her as HIV-positive. She claimed the ad's depiction of her as HIV-positive (she is not infected by the disease) hurt her personal and professional relationships and caused her emotional distress.[29] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-29)[30] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-30) In March 2014 a judge ruled the lawsuit will be taken to court rather than dismissed.[31] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-31) Getty Images settled with Nolan in January 2015.[32] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-32)

In November 2013, Getty and Agence France-Presse (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agence_France-Presse) were ordered to pay $1.2 million compensation to freelance photojournalist Daniel Morel for using his images posted on Twitter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter) related to the 2010 Haiti earthquake (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Haiti_earthquake) without his permission, in violation of copyright and Twitter's terms of service.[33] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-33)[34] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-34)

In July 2016, Getty was sued, unsuccessfully, for over $1 billion by Carol Highsmith (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Highsmith), an American photographer notable for donating her 100,000+ images collection, royalty-free, to the Library of Congress (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Congress), when Highsmith found that Getty has been selling unauthorized licenses of her work.[35] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-35)[36] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-highsmith-arstechnica-36) Carol Highsmith found out about this when she received a letter from a law firm representing Getty demanding $120 for displaying her pictures on a personal website of hers.[37] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-37)

Prestige Grant

The Getty Images Prestige Grant is awarded to two commercial photographers to realise a dream project, awarding them USD$15,000 and $7,500 respectively. The first recipients, in 2015, were Lisa Barnard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Barnard) and Andy Lo Po.[38] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-38)[39] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images#cite_note-39)

Renowned photographers

David M Benett

Source: Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Images)
[More references at the link...]

[RunningDeer]

Dimitri Orlov has accumulated a list of links to 59 Youtube videos of people who were at the Route 91 Harvest Festival the night of 1 October 2017, reporting on what they heard and saw -- the gun shots, the blood, the dead: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2017/10/the-limits-of-gullibility.html (http://cluborlov.com/#1633485209146973124).

I've listened to a couple of the videos - they tell a horrific tale.

I listened to parts of another dozen of these ... I'm getting the sense that most of the interviews done "live on scene by the major media" that night are scripted, not real. There are too many people saying almost the same thing with similar wording and insufficient deep stress.

For those like me who looked for the videos on that page (http://cluborlov.com/#1633485209146973124), first click “Read more” and the links 1-59 will drop down. (It may be how my browser worked.)


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Dark-Journalist/LA-links.jpg

[norman]

I'm hearing a lot of people say, including Ole Dammegard, that "he" was unlikely to be such a good shooter to hit so many people, at such a distance.

My totally novice brain says, the crowd was like fish in a barrel. Just pulling the trigger while the gun was pointing in roughly the right direction was bound to hit a few people.

[TargeT]

I'm hearing a lot of people say, including Ole Dammegard, that "he" was unlikely to be such a good shooter to hit so many people, at such a distance.

My totally novice brain says, the crowd was like fish in a barrel. Just pulling the trigger while the gun was pointing in roughly the right direction was bound to hit a few people.

I'm quite surprised there were not MUCH higher casualties after hearing the audio of the gun fire....

I also think the very low number of fatalities (and it was low, given the situation... IMO) is very interesting and lends to the "cover for sniper fire" possibility or several other possibilities.

[Cidersomerset]

Kerry talks with Dr. James Fetzer ( jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/ ) and Dr.
Scott Bennett, author and former officer with a high level clearance inside a US
military PSYOPS division, about all the evidence surrounding the Mandalay Bay
shooting in Vegas




I still find it hard to believe this is all fake , as we know on 9/11 thousands
actually died with all the other things going on , and drills are usually happening
as in 7/7 enabling it to go live to keep control of the situation depending how big
the event/psyop is going to be.

I know this stinks and its hard to process everything and many of the vids
and summaries are good and its difficult enough to get people to look at
the material presented on the web , by experts and interested persons.
But to say no one died , we need real hard proof or we will loose credibility
and we won't get past the first hurdle of mainstream coverage as if anyone
did get on Fox , CNN , BBC ,ABC etc they will instantly be called a 'conspiracy
theorist ' as coined by the CIA to discourage JFK questions.

If they are actually able to pull off a movie set as suggested by Jim Fetzer
talking to Kerry we are ------- . I know all about crisis actors and have done
several posts on them and they are used in drills that can develop into events.
Though this would be another level and many of the vids of the crowd seem
genuine with all the confusion that would happen at this type of event.

If this can be proven this was all fake I will congratulate them. Though the
actual Stephen Paddock and one shooter narrative does not fit for all the
reasons expressed in the previous posts. Somewhere amongst it all is the
truth and we will not get it from the FBI .



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Talking of cover ups by the FBI I just saw this article....I suppose we will know next week.

Has Trump Cut a Deal with the CIA and FBI to Keep Concealing Key JFK
Assassination Documents?
https://www.alternet.org/has-trump-cut-deal-cia-and-fbi-secret-jfk-records

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PRISON PLANET.COM

Vegas Survivor Who Died Suddenly Had Planned Group To Expose Cover-Up

Kymberley Suchomel believed media was covering up multiple shooters

Adan Salazar..Prison Planet.com
October 17, 2017

A woman who died days after surviving the ill-fated October 1 country music
festival in Las Vegas wanted to organize a survivor’s group in order to flesh out the
strange event, Facebook conversations reveal.

Kymberley Suchomel, 28, died suddenly on October 9 at her Apple Valley,
California, residence five days after posting her version of events to Facebook.

https://www.infowars.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/kymb1.jpg
In the days following the massacre, friends reached out to Suchomel over a
October 4 post in which she described someone setting off “fire crackers” near the
venue, and detailed being chased by numerous people, concluding at one
point “There was more than one gun firing. 100% more than one.”

One long-time friend of Suchomel’s, who asked to remain anonymous, provided
Infowars with screenshots of a conversation he’d had with her, in which she
indicated planning to “organize a group of survivors” in order “to piece things
together.”

read more...
https://www.prisonplanet.com/vegas-survivor-who-died-suddenly-had-planned-group-to-expose-cover-up.html

[ghostrider]

Remember fast n furious??? Steven paddock was an undercover FBI agent running guns to Isis terrorists in America, Isis found out, killing him , then went on a shooting spree ... The reason for all the cameras was paddock was running a sting for the FBI ... It all went south, anonymous hacked the emails between the FBI and Vegas police... There were multiple shooters ... And that's why the official story makes no sense...

[TargeT]

Remember fast n furious??? Steven paddock was an undercover FBI agent running guns to Isis terrorists in America, Isis found out, killing him , then went on a shooting spree ... The reason for all the cameras was paddock was running a sting for the FBI ... It all went south, anonymous hacked the emails between the FBI and Vegas police... There were multiple shooters ... And that's why the official story makes no sense...

Why would you not provide references with statements like that?

GIVE ME LINKS SCOTTY!

[mountain_jim]

So the FBI was running guns to sting a CIA/Mossad/Saudi created/sponsored organization?

Dammegard views Isis as that, and I am beginning to as well. It is likely more complex than that, possibly internal organizational warfare between competing Deep State / Illuminati interests I hypothesize, but the gun-running and gambling laundering angle makes sense to me as well.

[Cidersomerset]

Well this could be a movie , Jesus rises on that hard hitting news station...Ellen.
I suppose its off to Whoopies Angels on the View next.....

Maybe not in the second part of the Ellen says this is going to be their only
appearance if so what a great media psyop on the mass's . This is complete BS and
it made me feel a bit nauseous at this blatant PR stunt .......

Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos on Ellen DeGeneres

F7gj1FoRIfE

Published on 18 Oct 2017
Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos on Ellen DeGeneres


https://www.reviewjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/9445163_web1_web_rozman_20171017_15032_0829_preview.jpg

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Exclusive: 30 Questions From The Las Vegas Massacre


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crXx7F4tCQ8

Published on 18 Oct 2017....Info Wars...
Yet again we are left with more and more questions surrounding the Vegas Massacre.

[ThePythonicCow]

I also think the very low number of fatalities (and it was low, given the situation... IMO) is very interesting and lends to the "cover for sniper fire" possibility or several other possibilities.
I give the reported Las Vegas fatality and casualty numbers about as much credibility as I do the reported election returns from cities such as these (http://stories.avvo.com/money/the-6-most-corrupt-cities-in-america.html) in last year's US Presidential election.

[mountain_jim]

http://www.newnationalist.net/2017/10/18/jesus-campos-shows-up-for-degeneras-and-digs-himself-into-a-deeper-hole/

‘Missing’ Vegas Security Guard Shows Up for Ellen Show Interview, Digs Himself Into a Deep Hole

October 18, 2017
Russ Winter

http://thepythoniccow.us/Jesus_Campos_before_and_after_1.jpg
“No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.”– Abraham Lincoln

Jesus Campos and what looks like his handler walked on to the set of the Ellen DeGeneras show Wednesday looking no worse for the wear two weeks after taking an AR round in the leg. It also looks like Campos has been hitting the buffet bars hard since his photos one week ago at an Oct. 10 “award ceremony”. How can this be even remotely credible?

http://thepythoniccow.us/Jesus_Campos_before_and_after_2.jpg
At left Oct. 10; at right Oct. 17.
Notice the handler rubbing his back several times throughout the interview. Here is Campos’ facial appearance in the Oct. 17 interview compared to the Oct. 10 “awards ceremony”. One is oval faced, the other square. The full show is here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Yr_orZVb3s), but The New Nationalist will focus on one major snafu.

http://thepythoniccow.us/Jesus_Campos_before_and_after_3.jpg
Campos in the video of the interview below describes the stairwell doors as being barricaded by “metal brackets holding the doors in place.” DeGeneras was scripted enough to point out and clarify to the whole world that the inner stairwell door was barricaded. That’s what she is pointing to.

http://thepythoniccow.us/Jesus_Campos_before_and_after_4.jpg

Unfortunately for the storytellers, the inner door opens into the stairwell not away from it. Campos also says explicitly that he saw the barricade metal brackets from his viewpoint in the hallway. Nao combinam.

This means the inner door could NOT have been barricaded from the 32nd floor. In fact, both doors opens toward the staircase, so the barricade wouldn’t work. Here are two girls in Mandalay Bay filming this. You only need to watch 0:08 to 0:15 to see both of the doors swing inward. If you need more confirmation, at 8:54 the girls return through the doors toward the hallway, and you can clearly see the door-closing mechanism and the doors.

An epic fail in the annals of staged deceptions.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9ileVYnBQw

[Noelle]

http://www.newnationalist.net/2017/10/18/jesus-campos-shows-up-for-degeneras-and-digs-himself-into-a-deeper-hole/

https://i2.wp.com/www.newnationalist.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/G9uvSKovsYKB6wSRhgxkSX8no-YNiPAIioZLRB_w_ag.jpg

‘Missing’ Vegas Security Guard Shows Up for Ellen Show Interview, Digs Himself Into a Deep Hole

October 18, 2017
Russ Winter

“No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.”– Abraham Lincoln

Jesus Campos and what looks like his handler walked on to the set of the Ellen DeGeneras show Wednesday looking no worse for the wear two weeks after taking an AR round in the leg. It also looks like Campos has been hitting the buffet bars hard since his photos one week ago at an Oct. 10 “award ceremony”. How can this be even remotely credible?

Notice the handler rubbing his back several times throughout the interview. Here is Campos’ facial appearance in the Oct. 17 interview compared to the Oct. 10 “awards ceremony”. One is oval faced, the other square. The full show is here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Yr_orZVb3s), but The New Nationalist will focus on one major snafu.

Campos in the video of the interview below describes the stairwell doors as being barricaded by “metal brackets holding the doors in place.” DeGeneras was scripted enough to point out and clarify to the whole world that the inner stairwell door was barricaded. That’s what she is pointing to.

https://i1.wp.com/www.newnationalist.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Capture-4.gif?resize=500%2C468

Unfortunately for the storytellers, the inner door opens into the stairwell not away from it. Campos also says explicitly that he saw the barricade metal brackets from his viewpoint in the hallway. Nao combinam.

This means the inner door could NOT have been barricaded from the 32nd floor. In fact, both doors opens toward the staircase, so the barricade wouldn’t work. Here are two girls in Mandalay Bay filming this. You only need to watch 0:08 to 0:15 to see both of the doors swing inward. If you need more confirmation, at 8:54 the girls return through the doors toward the hallway, and you can clearly see the door-closing mechanism and the doors.

An epic fail in the annals of staged deceptions.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9ileVYnBQw

His appearance on Ellen is questionable to me, as is how the MSM has covered his disappearance. Yesterday, Fox said he was found, and AOL was reporting him as still missing.

[Caliban]

Go to about 1:40 on this one. Looks pretty fake. Do you see any blood there at all?

UCVoNlpRhNM

This guy (?) did some investigating into some of the (?) victims. Scroll down, he checked out about 50 people. It's in Nine Videos. The music's kind of annoying.

https://chemtrailsplanet.net/2017/10/15/researcher-cant-find-anybody-who-died-in-las-vegas-massacre/

This guy is long-winded but he makes some good points around the 4:00 min mark regarding apparent absence of blood splatter.

https://archive.org/details/youtube-0h1OpIKZ160

[TrumanCash]

Wow, Shutterfly just got national TV advertising for only 25 grand! (See post #664 above).

[ThePythonicCow]

Go to about 1:40 on this one. Looks pretty fake. Do you see any blood there at all?

...
This guy (?) did some investigating into some of the (?) victims. Scroll down, he checked out about 50 people. It's in Nine Videos. The music's kind of annoying.
After a quick glance, it seemed to me that this guy (?) was showing us that the main stream evidence presented to us was fake.

If so, then that is consistent with my current working theory: They show us fake evidence,
while they hide the real evidence.This has several benefits (for the elite bastards):

Suppressing the real evidence helps protect the official (fake, "lone nut") story and helps hide the true story (this was another a major false flag operation.)
Dominating the main stream media with the fake evidence keeps the main stream narrative on track with the official story line.
Leaks of real or also faked alternative evidence supporting various confused and conflicting stories discredit the efforts to find and expose the truth in a cloud of confusion and conflict.
When someone such as this guy (?) documents that the evidence supporting the official story seems fake, but doesn't also point out that there is quite a bit of evidence supporting an alternative, more horrific and systemic false flag narrative, then they (perhaps inadvertently) risk supporting the confusion and conflict that discredits the honest efforts to find and expose the truth.

[Caliban]

Go to about 1:40 on this one. Looks pretty fake. Do you see any blood there at all?

...
This guy (?) did some investigating into some of the (?) victims. Scroll down, he checked out about 50 people. It's in Nine Videos. The music's kind of annoying.
After a quick glance, it seemed to me that this guy (?) was showing us that the main stream evidence presented to us was fake.

If so, then that is consistent with my current working theory: They show us fake evidence,
while they hide the real evidence.This has several benefits (for the elite bastards):

Suppressing the real evidence helps protect the official (fake, "lone nut") story and helps hide the true story (this was another a major false flag operation.)
Dominating the main stream media with the fake evidence keeps the main stream narrative on track with the official story line.
Leaks of real or also faked alternative evidence supporting various confused and conflicting stories discredits the efforts to find and expose the truth in a cloud of confusion and conflict.
When someone such as this guy (?) documents that the evidence supporting the official story seems fake, but doesn't also point out that there is quite a bit of evidence supporting an alternative, more horrific and systemic false flag narrative, then they (perhaps inadvertently) risk supporting the confusion and conflict that discredits the honest efforts to find and expose the truth.

But where is that photographic evidence? The only thing I've seen is that liveleak video which looked fake to me. Have you seen anything else that showed anyone actually getting shot? Or having gotten shot? Concert goers leaving covered in (others) blood?

The fact that it might be "hidden" evidence is a good theory but you really need a bit of that evidence to prove it!

Besides people's "dramatic" testimony I've seen nothing that convinces me. And I'd like to be convinced if my compatriots were killed and wounded here.

[ThePythonicCow]

But where is that photographic evidence? The only thing I've seen is that liveleak video which looked fake to me. Have you seen anything else that showed anyone actually getting shot? Or having gotten shot? Concert goers leaving covered in (others) blood?

The fact that it might be "hidden" evidence is a good theory but you really need a bit of that evidence to prove it!

Besides people's "dramatic" testimony I've seen nothing that convinces me. And I'd like to be convinced if my compatriots were killed and wounded here.

The bastards pulling this off can watch for any sign of real evidence of the actual event and suppress it. As best as I can tell, there were multiple shooters, shooting to kill with head and center body shots, at closer range than the Mandalay Bay, and the crowd was herded into yet another "killing field", in the back of the area, closer to the Tropicana, where the killing continued. There apparently were also shootings at some nearby hotels.

What does seem real (very real, very traumatic) to me are some of the reports, sometimes days or a week later, by people who describe being there and what they saw, heard, felt, and did.

Some four (that I've heard of) people who were rather too open about what they saw and heard, such as the multiple shooters, have died since then, not of gun shot wounds from that night, but from other suspicious causes. Many Youtube videos have been taken down. All cell phones and cameras from those there that night were taken and any video, audio or social media messaging from that night were wiped before the phones were returned. Likely any live transmitting of video or audio via cell phones or wifi was blocked during the event.

Think about it ... if you had been there and somehow gotten out alive with video or even still images showing the real event ... how would you get that public, given all the censorship? The more revealing whatever you had, the harder it would be to successfully get it widely known to the public. Rather it would be censored, and/or you would be dead, as happened in such events in the past, such as the JFK assassination or 9/11.

One has to step back a bit, study how they do such operations, and then observe a variety of details in the current Las Vegas operation that strongly resemble numerous other previous false flags.

[Satori]

So Ellen scooped the other shills and gets the exclusive "interview" from this guy, whoever his handlers and he are, and whatever they are up to. Ellen has an audience of how many million sheeple? Putting him on her entertainment program will drill whatever meme or narrative they are pushing into the minds of many.

I have not, and will not, watch the so-called interview anytime soon, if at all. But I feel confident in saying that it is not only propaganda, but black propaganda. That is, claims made and "information" provided, that are generally accepted in the heat, emotion and confusion of the event and first few days following, but that would be generally rejected in calmer times and upon closer reflection.

[Caliban]

But where is that photographic evidence? The only thing I've seen is that liveleak video which looked fake to me. Have you seen anything else that showed anyone actually getting shot? Or having gotten shot? Concert goers leaving covered in (others) blood?

The fact that it might be "hidden" evidence is a good theory but you really need a bit of that evidence to prove it!

Besides people's "dramatic" testimony I've seen nothing that convinces me. And I'd like to be convinced if my compatriots were killed and wounded here.

The bastards pulling this off can watch for any sign of real evidence of the actual event and suppress it. As best as I can tell, there were multiple shooters, shooting to kill with head and center body shots, at closer range than the Mandalay Bay, and the crowd was herded into yet another "killing field", in the back of the area, closer to the Tropicana, where the killing continued. There apparently were also shootings at some nearby hotels.

What does seem real (very real, very traumatic) to me are some of the reports, sometimes days or a week later, by people who describe being there and what they saw, heard, felt, and did.

Some four (that I've heard of) people who were rather too open about what they saw and heard, such as the multiple shooters, have died since then, not of gun shot wounds from that night, but from other suspicious causes. Many Youtube videos have been taken down. All cell phones and cameras from those there that night were taken and any video, audio or social media messaging from that night were wiped before the phones were returned. Likely any live transmitting of video or audio via cell phones or wifi was blocked during the event.

Think about it ... if you had been there and somehow gotten out alive with video or even still images showing the real event ... how would you get that public, given all the censorship? The more revealing whatever you had, the harder it would be to successfully get it widely known to the public. Rather it would be censored, and/or you would be dead, as happened in such events in the past, such as the JFK assassination or 9/11.

One has to step back a bit, study how they do such operations, and then observe a variety of details in the current Las Vegas operation that strongly resemble numerous other previous false flags.

Good points, as usual. Let's bear in mind though that we'd be pretty traumatized if we were in a huge crowd that was running for their lives amid gunshots -- and then heard many people were hit. (No matter the ultimate reality of the event)

Check out the Internet Archive (a great source for many things); seems lots of people are moving/posting their vids over there to avoid the "don't be evil" YT freaks.

https://archive.org/search.php?query=las%20vegas%20shooting

[ghostrider]

Its all over YT ... let me grab some data ...

¤=[Post Update]=¤

https://youtu.be/TLmQY3hMCpo

[ghostrider]

https://youtu.be/o9yViDT_HTk

[mountain_jim]

The above info was on Reddit a week ago, as indicated in the comments. This is not new.

[Bill Ryan]

Its all over YT ... let me grab some data ...https://youtu.be/TLmQY3hMCpo

That's from well over a week ago, and the 240p video (clearly not the original one) is too poor to read anything. The idea of Paddock having been an FBI agent, caught in an arms deal entrapment gone bad, has been discussed extensively.

[Cidersomerset]

So Ellen scooped the other shills and gets the exclusive "interview" from this guy,
whoever his handlers and he are, and whatever they are up to. Ellen has an audience of
how many million sheeple? Putting him on her entertainment program will drill whatever
meme or narrative they are pushing into the minds of many.


Exactly great propaganda value for the mass's and to put his face and story on
mainstream record. It is supposed to be his only public appearance and planned to
stop the press looking for him and also covering up their clean up plan imo. As I
said it made me feel nauseous.


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The bastards pulling this off can watch for any sign of real evidence of the
actual event and suppress it. As best as I can tell, there were multiple shooters,
shooting to kill with head and center body shots, at closer range than the Mandalay
Bay, and the crowd was herded into yet another "killing field", in the back of the
area, closer to the Tropicana, where the killing continued. There apparently were
also shootings at some nearby hotels.

What does seem real (very real, very traumatic) to me are some of the reports,
sometimes days or a week later, by people who describe being there and what they
saw, heard, felt, and did.


I agree with all this and the fact witness's report having their phones wiped and
all the other cover ups is clear this is a false flag type of event. I just find it hard
that every one is in on it from the emergency services to everyday people.
Yes they can and have been duped many times but this would be another level imo.
There are still a lot of victim vids in the hospitals and they were able to hood wink
Trump and others. Though some would say that is easy.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=victims+of+las+vegas+shooting+in+hospital

Still I'm open and keep up with your analysis Paul.....:thumbsup:


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This may soon be off the news cycle as Trump sends another carrier towards Korea
as we are still in the Calm before the storm.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNufUZTl26E

Also Home land security warns ISIS is planning 9/11 event...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4994906/ISIS-fanatics-plotting-new-9-11-warns-security-boss.html

[Cidersomerset]

Owen Shroyer sums it up....Ellen has links to Vegas , casinos and MGM...Coincidence ?

Ellen’s Jackpot! Jesus Interview & MGM Celeb Slot Machines
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCeZ2BbmYwQ
Published on 18 Oct 2017
If you want a no questions asked, puff piece interview of the security guard whose
testimony could expose MGM/Mandalay Bay to lawsuits, who you gonna call? Ellen
Degeneres, who 9 days before the shooting was showing off HER celebrity slot
machines in the MGM Grand.

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The Truth Of How Ellen Got The Exclusive Jesus Campos Interview

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Published on 18 Oct 2017
Its no coincidence that Ellen got the first interview with Jesus Campos interview

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New Eyewitness Confirms Multiple Shooters In Vegas Massacre

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLiDE5hFcco
Published on 18 Oct 2017
Another eye witness has brought their testimony to light in the fight to expose the
truth of Las Vegas.

[TrumanCash]

Video where a man is pointing out where the shooting is coming from and it is not Mandalay Bay. He's on the other side of Luxor on the sidewalk and pointing toward the concert venue, perhaps towards the stage. It is difficult to pinpoint exactly, but is definitely not Mandalay.

At 1:00 he says that the sound is coming from two locations and appears to point in the direction of the Tropicana and/or perhaps the violet purple building by the Tropicana on the west side.

https://www.facebook.com/attila.kolozsvari.3/videos/1634569629908226/

[turiya]

Youtube is now putting significant restrictions on the alt-media & making it more difficult to be able use video segments of what MSM is reporting... This can be seen to affect Bombard's Body Language, Mark Dice & Bill Still. Bill Still does a good job bringing up significant questions... points out some obvious issues taking place within the interview...


Security Guard and Engineer
Appear on Ellen, 1847
(Oct 18, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADOqnfjRqKs_________________

Ellen is Scum of the Earth
(Oct 19, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGCk6CoYCyI_________________

Body Language: Ellen,
Jesus Campos & Stephen Schuck
( Oct 19, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUnOfHcrr2c________LATE ADD_________

Additional video....

WHO IS THE REAL JESUS CAMPOS!? All is Revealed
(Streamed live 3 hours ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vQt2ji9RAk

[TrumanCash]

Independent investigator "Nick Falco" documents recent visit to Mandalay Bay and states on twitter: "I was evicted after less than 24 hours but a shooter w 23 rifles was at their hotel for 7 days & they didn't know?"

He reports "Heavy surveillance" nearly everywhere including freight elevators which the public can use. They even monitor all Wi-Fi use and have Samsung Smart TVs.

However, he also states: "There is an exit staircase right next to Paddock's room.
No locks, no alarms, no signs & most importantly? No Cameras."

Full article here (https://www.intellihub.com/intellihub-exclusive-on-scene-investigator-banned-from-mandalay-bay-for-life-after-he-discovered-this/).

[Tintin]

Kerry talks with Dr. James Fetzer ( jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/ ) and Dr.
Scott Bennett, author and former officer with a high level clearance inside a US
military PSYOPS division, about all the evidence surrounding the Mandalay Bay
shooting in Vegas




PRISON PLANET.COM

Vegas Survivor Who Died Suddenly Had Planned Group To Expose Cover-Up

Kymberley Suchomel believed media was covering up multiple shooters

Adan Salazar..Prison Planet.com
October 17, 2017

A woman who died days after surviving the ill-fated October 1 country music
festival in Las Vegas wanted to organize a survivor’s group in order to flesh out the
strange event, Facebook conversations reveal.

Kymberley Suchomel, 28, died suddenly on October 9 at her Apple Valley,
California, residence five days after posting her version of events to Facebook.

In the days following the massacre, friends reached out to Suchomel over a
October 4 post in which she described someone setting off “fire crackers” near the
venue, and detailed being chased by numerous people, concluding at one
point “There was more than one gun firing. 100% more than one.”

One long-time friend of Suchomel’s, who asked to remain anonymous, provided
Infowars with screenshots of a conversation he’d had with her, in which she
indicated planning to “organize a group of survivors” in order “to piece things
together.”

read more...
https://www.prisonplanet.com/vegas-survivor-who-died-suddenly-had-planned-group-to-expose-cover-up.html

Thanks Cider. I had picked up the earlier version of this story before about a week ago but this provides a bit more. Wow, if anybody out there still doesn't think was real (and that'll be the likes of Mr Fetzer) is worse than disingenuous, and that's putting it kindly. An urgent cognitive and spiritual reset would be in order.

So, gradually post-trauma, we have already begun to see honest good souls who survived this horror providing us with arguably the most important information of all.
These witness narratives are becoming more important than the minutae of who was shooting from where and with what, although that does still matter of course. There'll be more in the weeks to come I'm sure

[Tintin]

I also think the very low number of fatalities (and it was low, given the situation... IMO) is very interesting and lends to the "cover for sniper fire" possibility or several other possibilities.
I give the reported Las Vegas fatality and casualty numbers about as much credibility as I do the reported election returns from cities such as these (http://stories.avvo.com/money/the-6-most-corrupt-cities-in-america.html) in last year's US Presidential election.

The casualty count will be absolutely higher than reported. But, that's the MSM gematria at work and that's what they'll stick to, you can bet on that.

[turiya]

Getting to know your beloved Deep-State FBI & their tactics that they use...
The
Intercept_

http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/WIKILEAKS_TWE/THE_INTERCEPT_RECORDING_CAPTURE_BRUTAL_FBI_TACTICS .png (https://twitter.com/theintercept/status/919315636051779584)

Recordings Capture Brutal FBI Tactics
to Recruit a Potential Informant
(Published on Oct 12, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBATVVIhQy8

http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/WIKILEAKS_TWE/JULIAN_ASSANGE_FBI_TACTICS.png (https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/918123077929783296)
by Trevor Aaronson
October 10 2017, 10:45 a.m
Intercept Article (https://theintercept.com/2017/10/10/recordings-capture-brutal-fbi-tactics-to-recruit-potential-informant/?comments=1#comments)

[turiya]

SGT News with some bonus words with Harley Schlanger regarding the Deep-State & the Las Vegas shooting....


THE TRUTH ABOUT ROBERT MUELLER & THE FBI
Harley Schlanger
(Oct 16, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHJnRR7Uvag_________________

EMPOWERING PEOPLE WITH TRUTH
Harley Bonus
(Oct 16, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tstiz_5P3JM_________________


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Legal Assassin: He Will Do
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https://larouchepac.com/sites/default/files/styles/thumbnail__540x304_/public/dossier-thumb.jpg?itok=uZeCzyvm
Then FBI director Robert Muller testifying in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee on FBI Operations and NSA Surveillance programs, June 2013.

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In reality, Robert Swan Mueller III is about as corrupt as they come, bending and twisting the law every which way necessary to serve the goals of those who provide him assignments. The might of the prosecutorial function and the institutions he serves dictate right for him, rather than the unbiased pursuit of justice the law envisions for his vocation. In what he says was a defining moment, Mueller broke rank, after college, to serve in the Vietnam War as a Marine. After that he never wanted to do anything but prosecute. His appointment as special prosecutor caps a long career in which he has envisioned himself to be a stern and willing warrior, a dutiful Marine, acting on behalf of whatever evil scheme his superiors present to him, and using whatever means seems necessary to execute it.

In recent weeks, organizers for the LaRouche movement have been repeatedly told by citizens they meet:

“It looks like President Trump is getting the ‘LaRouche treatment.’”The two men could not be more different in station, or cultural and intellectual achievement. LaRouche is a world-historical genius in the mold of Gottfried Leibniz. But, both men touched what has amounted to the third rail of American politics after Franklin Roosevelt’s death. They threatened the post-War Anglo-American British imperial system. LaRouche did so directly, continuously, and explicitly by name. Trump has done so implicitly, by rejecting perpetual war, seeking better relations with Russia, calling for imposition of Glass-Steagall banking separation, endorsing what he refers to as the American System of political economy, and promising massive infrastructure development and a modern manufacturing platform for productive jobs.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLtK71pWkAAFKBT.jpg

In both cases, as we shall see, the British explicitly demanded scalps, based on a perceived threat to them, most specifically located in the desire for a collaborative relationship with Russia and an end to the “unipolar” framework of relationships between nations. In both cases, a controlled media unleashed an incessant barrage of ugly, salacious, and defamatory coverage, day-in day-out, to create the popular conditions for a criminal prosecution. While there were and are many other players in these Kabuki dances—compromised and terrorized politicians and judges, and an intelligence community which functions as the gendarme of our Orwellian police state—the blunt instrument chosen for the hit was Robert Mueller. Along the way, between the two assignments, Robert Mueller played a hugely significant role in covering up the Saudi/British role in the murders of almost 3,000 Americans on September 11, 2001, and the wholesale destruction of the United States Constitution which followed in its wake—a role which, if thoroughly examined, constitutes obstruction of justice, among other crimes.

This dossier (https://larouchepac.com/sites/default/files/20171001-muller-dos-leaflet-II.pdf)will walk you through Mueller’s career based on what is readily and publicly available. It is a trail of prosecutorial misconduct, including what former Senator Bob Graham calls “aggressive deception” of the U.S. Congress and the public concerning the events of September 11, 2001, and includes a major role in the creation of the post-9/11 surveillance state which has eviscerated and destroyed the Fourth Amendment and the rest of our Constitution’s Bill of Rights. Those who work inside our modern Leviathan can surely point to other malfeasance, and we invite you pile on—please, expose it. You owe no less to your oath to the Constitution of the United States.

Read more at the link...
Source: LAROUCHE | PAC (https://larouchepac.com/20170927/robert-mueller-amoral-legal-assassin-he-will-do-his-job-if-you-let-him)

[Tintin]

Independent investigator "Nick Falco" documents recent visit to Mandalay Bay and states on twitter: "I was evicted after less than 24 hours but a shooter w 23 rifles was at their hotel for 7 days & they didn't know?"

He reports "Heavy surveillance" nearly everywhere including freight elevators which the public can use. They even monitor all Wi-Fi use and have Samsung Smart TVs.

However, he also states: "There is an exit staircase right next to Paddock's room.
No locks, no alarms, no signs & most importantly? No Cameras."

Full article here (https://www.intellihub.com/intellihub-exclusive-on-scene-investigator-banned-from-mandalay-bay-for-life-after-he-discovered-this/).

Cracking article and, yes, this is what proper investigative journalism is all about. Well done 'Nick'.

[ThePythonicCow]

Video where a man is pointing out where the shooting is coming from and it is not Mandalay Bay. He's on the other side of Luxor on the sidewalk and pointing toward the concert venue, perhaps towards the stage. It is difficult to pinpoint exactly, but is definitely not Mandalay.

At 1:00 he says that the sound is coming from two locations and appears to point in the direction of the Tropicana and/or perhaps the violet purple building by the Tropicana on the west side.

https://www.facebook.com/attila.kolozsvari.3/videos/1634569629908226/

This video is well worth a watch. It's on Las Vegas Blvd, on the street, somewhere between the Luxor and the Exalibur, during the shootings.

Good find - thanks!

The "violet purple bulding" is the backside tower of the Tropicana, which has two high rise hotel buildings on the same property. I continue to find likely the speculation that some of the shooting came from that violet (aka purple) backside tower, which unlike the new Mandalay Bay building, has windows that open. So someone could have opened a window, shot, and closed the window, leaving no obvious (to the public) evidence of their position.

[ThePythonicCow]

New Eyewitness Confirms Multiple Shooters In Vegas Massacre

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLiDE5hFcco
Published on 18 Oct 2017
Another eye witness has brought their testimony to light in the fight to expose the
truth of Las Vegas.

This video makes an important point that I had not realized before.

The incidents at the other hotels in the area of the Route 91 Harvest Festival, just before the main shooting went down, had the effect of locking down the Las Vegas strip ... most everyone was quickly driven into hotels and then not allowed out. The Vegas strip was locked down and people kept out from the area of the main shooting, locked in their various hotels.

I had noticed earlier in this thread, many pages ago, that the incidents at the other hotels, prior to the main shooting, helped distract local city and county police, thereby delaying any "unscripted" initial response from them.

But those other incidents also justified locking down the strip, keeping the public and their smartphone cameras away from the main shooting site.

In the video that I comment on in my previous post just above, that video was taken during the shooting (one can hear automatic gun fire), and the police are still busy clearing the streets.

[Cidersomerset]

This is more of an observational discussion about events , Lionel is legal prosecutor
and citizen journalist/analyst , although he comes over flamboyant at times which
may put some off. He has an acute eye for events and issues and is an alternate
commentator and a regular on RT America and other outlets...


The Utterly Preposterous #LasVegasShooting Narrative — Lionel on "Real News With David Knight"

_QPR5DOH5T8

Published on 19 Oct 2017
Legal and media analysis


===================================================

A pathetic parroting propaganda segment from ' No Bloody Clue' news...
Echoing the cover up on mainstream.

Las Vegas Security Guard Breaks Silence On Ellen DeGeneres’ Show | NBC Nightly News
.
NBC News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj8DAY16SGU
Published on 19 Oct 2017
“You being shot in the leg saved so many people’s lives,” said Ellen DeGeneres,
Wednesday, to the Mandalay hotel security guard who was allegedly the first to
confront Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock.

====================================================
====================================================

David Knight Info Wars watching the Ellen interview and commenting...

Ellen Finds Jesus: Saving MGM Liability or Saving Lives?

6j7LERB6rC0

Published on 18 Oct 2017

18Oct17 - MGM was exposed to massive liability & lawsuits by TimeLine 2.0 which
put security guard Jesus Campos at the beginning of the shooting but had a delay
of 6 minutes before LVPD were called. Jesus disappeared as he was about to do a
half dozen interviews and didn’t resurface until he appeared 5 days later on the
Ellen Degeneres show. Ellen asked no questions but lauded him as a hero.
Interestingly, Ellen had premiered a line of celebrity slot machines at the MGM
Grand 9 days before the shooting

[Nasu]

The Ellen interview is terrible. She ticks all the boxes for most mainstream loving individuals of course, from showing "Jesus" being alive and well, to pointing out his activities in fine detail and to his miraculous escape after being shot at 200 times in a corridor, through the door of the end suite / door of the corridor, to why he didn't radio his position or situation, to finally explaining why he won't be doing any more interviews.

The one thing she didn't cover was how on earth he could have gained so much weight in only the past week!

I saw this interesting video that could shed some light on his quick weight gain. It investigates both the Photoshoping of a bag out of the pictures as well as the background decor for the restaurant that "Jesus Campos" apparently was in only last week on October the 10th to collect his award for bravery by those "mob" type characters, purporting to be the Union for Firemen, Police and Security Guards. Only problem being that the very same restaurant dosen't look like that anymore, it was remodeled in May of this year!

Putting to one side for a moment that 4chan has highlighted that Jesus Campos is not even registered by the PILB. By law every guard in the State must be registered for both unarmed and armed security work with the PILB or Private Investigators Licensing Board in the State of Nevada...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCwnjZbUn-0

I have spoken to many people now about this, most people seem to believe the narrative. Most people I talk to are more disgusted by the number of weapons he manged to smuggle in and or was legally allowed to own, rather than sensing anything fishy about it. The narrative seems to be sticking for most people, for the rest they are distracted by Harvey Weinstein, Catalan autonomy, Donald Trump's latest insensitive comments, Brexit or the very, very disturbing so called "forest" fires of California....

For those that wish to "see it" the evidence is now overwhelming, for everyone else it's almost the weekend and time for a well earned rest.. In the land of the blind... But king of what, king of lies?... N

[Cidersomerset]

That was a pretty good vid comparing the décor of the dinning room and I liked how he slipped
in how he was used to analysing pixels by looking at UFO pics......Fair dinkum mate...

http://spfpa.org/sites/default/files/styles/nivo_main/public/Web%20GROUP%20DINNER.jpg?
http://cdn0.thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Jesus-Campos-receiving-award-after-Las-Vegas-mass-murder-couresy-thegatewaypundit.com_.jpg
http://ww1.hdnux.com/photos/66/64/73/14372568/3/1024x1024.jpg

[Nasu]

Who gains from something like this?

Well quite a few people actually. Slow intro but good content. James Murren MGM CEO dumped 80% of his personal stock in his own company just three weeks before the shooting..

This video is a good primer for those still in doubt that anyone could gain from this horror... N


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVDVsw6xEpc

[norman]

Who gains from something like this?

Well quite a few people actually. Slow intro but good content. James Murren MGM CEO dumped 80% of his personal stock in his own company just three weeks before the shooting..

This video is a good primer for those still in doubt that anyone could gain from this horror... N


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVDVsw6xEpc

Can someone else test if this video is blocked/banned on Facebook, by posting it ( or try to ) ?

I've failed to post it on 2 attempts. I don't even have a huge following there. Actually, only one person could have seen it even it had successfully been posted.

[Tintin]

Different tie? Different face?

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Dark-Journalist/different-tie.gif

That was a pretty good vid comparing the décor of the dinning room and I liked how he slipped
in how he was used to analysing pixels by looking at UFO pics......Fair dinkum mate...

http://spfpa.org/sites/default/files/styles/nivo_main/public/Web%20GROUP%20DINNER.jpg?
http://cdn0.thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Jesus-Campos-receiving-award-after-Las-Vegas-mass-murder-couresy-thegatewaypundit.com_.jpg


How is any of this helpful?

[bluestflame]

just posted it on my facebook

[turiya]

Now, something just occurred to me... Knowing how sleezy the FBI has been over the decades...

And, with all of what we've seen regarding what was going on with the FBI Director James Comey, Loretta Lynch, tarmack-gate with Bill Clinton, the Benghazi fiasco, together with Hillary's email scandal being tied into a Pay to Play scheme through the Clinton Foundation while Hillary tended the Office of Secretary of State... Ripping off the people of Haiti, while also looking back at the murders of Seth Rich, Vince Foster, and the long list of other mysterious deaths tied to the Clintons...

I am just wondering... especially after seeing the following headline posted on ZeroHedge... (below)

Could this latest attack on Americans in Las Vegas, with 59 deaths... Could it be possible that these recent deaths can also be added to the already extensive Clinton Body Count???

Just really wondering... how wicked some people could actually be???
Could there be a link to all of this???


FBI Informant "Threatened" After Offering Details Linking Clinton Foundation To Russian Bribery Case (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-18/fbi-informant-says-he-was-threatened-after-offering-details-linking-clinton-foundati)

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fp_thumb/images/user230519/imageroot/2017.10.18 - FBI Tease.JPG (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-18/fbi-informant-says-he-was-threatened-after-offering-details-linking-clinton-foundati)
"The government was taking a very harsh position that threatened both your reputation and liberty. As you will recall the gov’t made serious threats sufficient to cause you to withdraw your civil complaint."


Oct 19, 2017 4:55 AM

[Franny]

Didn't take long for this to be censored, it's gone. Any chance you know where it is on YT?


Video where a man is pointing out where the shooting is coming from and it is not Mandalay Bay. He's on the other side of Luxor on the sidewalk and pointing toward the concert venue, perhaps towards the stage. It is difficult to pinpoint exactly, but is definitely not Mandalay.

At 1:00 he says that the sound is coming from two locations and appears to point in the direction of the Tropicana and/or perhaps the violet purple building by the Tropicana on the west side.

https://www.facebook.com/attila.kolozsvari.3/videos/1634569629908226/

[Tintin]

I am trying to find this as well. I don't have a facebook account which has kind of forced the issue for me! If I find it I'll obviously share it as quickly as possible. It may be on TVClip somewhere - just looking now...

[Harley]

Didn't take long for this to be censored, it's gone. Any chance you know where it is on YT?


Video where a man is pointing out where the shooting is coming from and it is not Mandalay Bay. He's on the other side of Luxor on the sidewalk and pointing toward the concert venue, perhaps towards the stage. It is difficult to pinpoint exactly, but is definitely not Mandalay.

At 1:00 he says that the sound is coming from two locations and appears to point in the direction of the Tropicana and/or perhaps the violet purple building by the Tropicana on the west side.

https://www.facebook.com/attila.kolozsvari.3/videos/1634569629908226/


I am trying to find this as well. I don't have a facebook account which has kind of forced the issue for me! If I find it I'll obviously share it as quickly as possible. It may be on TVClip somewhere - just looking now...

Works fine here, and I don't need to log in to Facebook.

Here try it again:

https://www.facebook.com/attila.kolozsvari.3/videos/1634569629908226/

[Tintin]

Didn't take long for this to be censored, it's gone. Any chance you know where it is on YT?


Video where a man is pointing out where the shooting is coming from and it is not Mandalay Bay. He's on the other side of Luxor on the sidewalk and pointing toward the concert venue, perhaps towards the stage. It is difficult to pinpoint exactly, but is definitely not Mandalay.

At 1:00 he says that the sound is coming from two locations and appears to point in the direction of the Tropicana and/or perhaps the violet purple building by the Tropicana on the west side.

https://www.facebook.com/attila.kolozsvari.3/videos/1634569629908226/


I am trying to find this as well. I don't have a facebook account which has kind of forced the issue for me! If I find it I'll obviously share it as quickly as possible. It may be on TVClip somewhere - just looking now...

Works fine here, and I don't need to log in to Facebook.

Here try it again:

https://www.facebook.com/attila.kolozsvari.3/videos/1634569629908226/

Thanks Harley. It does start to play but then my screen gets completely covered with the fella's profile picture! So, I don't get to see it :(

[Cidersomerset]

You only need to watch the first two mins of this vid as the rest is
adds, unless you want to see the merchandise which is unfortunate
on info war vids, but very important to keep up the fight and their
message , survival and expansion....


Body Language Expert Scrutinizes Vegas Security Guard On Ellen

Z9ljdXQbg-Q

Published on 19 Oct 2017
A body language expert has some questions about some suspicious signs
during Jesus Campos's interview with Ellen. Visit her channel here:

Bombard's Body Language: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXG8...

=============================================

No adds on this one.....

Las Vegas Survivors Speak Out, Multiple Shooters In Multiple Locations

MqaDxGUxA1k

Published on 19 Oct 2017...Info wars
SHARE THIS VIDEO BEFORE IT IS REMOVED. This groundbreaking new
collection of eyewitness accounts and police scanner recordings reveals
the undeniable proof that there were multiple shooters scattered in
multiple locations during the Las Vegas massacre.

====================================================

Roger Stone: Why We Still Don't Have The Truth About The Vegas Massacre

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51ZMcNKQ980
Published on 19 Oct 2017
Roger Stone of the War Room tells you why the mainstream establishment is
working so hard to keep the truth hidden.

[Tintin]

Video where a man is pointing out where the shooting is coming from and it is not Mandalay Bay. He's on the other side of Luxor on the sidewalk and pointing toward the concert venue, perhaps towards the stage. It is difficult to pinpoint exactly, but is definitely not Mandalay.

At 1:00 he says that the sound is coming from two locations and appears to point in the direction of the Tropicana and/or perhaps the violet purple building by the Tropicana on the west side.

https://www.facebook.com/attila.kolozsvari.3/videos/1634569629908226/

This video is well worth a watch. It's on Las Vegas Blvd, on the street, somewhere between the Luxor and the Exalibur, during the shootings.

Good find - thanks!

The "violet purple bulding" is the backside tower of the Tropicana, which has two high rise hotel buildings on the same property. I continue to find likely the speculation that some of the shooting came from that violet (aka purple) backside tower, which unlike the new Mandalay Bay building, has windows that open. So someone could have opened a window, shot, and closed the window, leaving no obvious (to the public) evidence of their position.

Is this a related piece of video that I'm linking to below or might I be getting muddled with specific buildings? Apologies if so. The building in this video isn't the Mandalay Bay Hotel. There's no way to be absolutely certain that the person being observed is an actual shooter, but, based on a listen to the chatter, those filming seem to be of the opinion that he may be a shooter. Did they see something beforehand to cement that ie see shots come from there? (Unfortunately, I can't view that facebook video link and Harley was kind enough to try and help me there - I don't have an account and although it does start, several seconds later the profile picture pops up and blocks the entire view! This is what happens when you try to view something on facebook when you don't have a facebook account)


https://tvclip.biz/video/d54yW6DKpi8/new-glimpse-of-2nd-possible-vegas-shooter-spotted-in-window.html

[Hervé]

[...]

Thanks Harley. It does start to play but then my screen gets completely covered with the fella's profile picture! So, I don't get to see it :(
If you read that profile screen, at the bottom of it there should be a "Not Now" button you can click... :)

[Cidersomerset]

David does a weekly pod cast for subscriber's usually about current events and
posts it on his u'tube channel. There is usually a longer version for members,
I mention this to put the vid in context , its not a presentation but is a detailed
run through of the time line and how ridiculous the cover up and mainstream
investigations are . Hotel security cameras footage where is it ? very good
observations as usual.

The Blatant Cover-up of the Las Vegas Shooting - The David Icke Dot-Connector Videocast

fEQZFNMfYbI

Published on 20 Oct 2017

[Callista]

Joseph P Farrell comments on the Las Vegas Shooting:

Coroner's Office on lockdown?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq_9myFNz2I

[TrumanCash]

Video where a man is pointing out where the shooting is coming from and it is not Mandalay Bay. He's on the other side of Luxor on the sidewalk and pointing toward the concert venue, perhaps towards the stage. It is difficult to pinpoint exactly, but is definitely not Mandalay.

At 1:00 he says that the sound is coming from two locations and appears to point in the direction of the Tropicana and/or perhaps the violet purple building by the Tropicana on the west side.

https://www.facebook.com/attila.kolozsvari.3/videos/1634569629908226/

This video is well worth a watch. It's on Las Vegas Blvd, on the street, somewhere between the Luxor and the Exalibur, during the shootings.

Good find - thanks!

The "violet purple bulding" is the backside tower of the Tropicana, which has two high rise hotel buildings on the same property. I continue to find likely the speculation that some of the shooting came from that violet (aka purple) backside tower, which unlike the new Mandalay Bay building, has windows that open. So someone could have opened a window, shot, and closed the window, leaving no obvious (to the public) evidence of their position.

Is this a related piece of video that I'm linking to below or might I be getting muddled with specific buildings? Apologies if so. The building in this video isn't the Mandalay Bay Hotel. There's no way to be absolutely certain that the person being observed is an actual shooter, but, based on a listen to the chatter, those filming seem to be of the opinion that he may be a shooter. Did they see something beforehand to cement that ie see shots come from there? (Unfortunately, I can't view that facebook video link and Harley was kind enough to try and help me there - I don't have an account and although it does start, several seconds later the profile picture pops up and blocks the entire view! This is what happens when you try to view something on facebook when you don't have a facebook account)


https://tvclip.biz/video/d54yW6DKpi8/new-glimpse-of-2nd-possible-vegas-shooter-spotted-in-window.html

The tvclip.biz video at the bottom of your post is at the Tropicana near the intersection of Tropicana Ave and Las Vegas Blvd by the pedestrian overpass to Excalibur. My guess is that the person at the window is not a shooter but a spectator but it does show that the windows open at the Tropicana.

BTW, I'm not on Facebook and I don't have a problem with viewing videos.

[Tintin]

[...]

Thanks Harley. It does start to play but then my screen gets completely covered with the fella's profile picture! So, I don't get to see it :(
If you read that profile screen, at the bottom of it there should be a "Not Now" button you can click... :)

Herve: you are a superstar! Thanks. Works like a charm :waving:

[Tintin]

Video where a man is pointing out where the shooting is coming from and it is not Mandalay Bay. He's on the other side of Luxor on the sidewalk and pointing toward the concert venue, perhaps towards the stage. It is difficult to pinpoint exactly, but is definitely not Mandalay.

At 1:00 he says that the sound is coming from two locations and appears to point in the direction of the Tropicana and/or perhaps the violet purple building by the Tropicana on the west side.

https://www.facebook.com/attila.kolozsvari.3/videos/1634569629908226/

This video is well worth a watch. It's on Las Vegas Blvd, on the street, somewhere between the Luxor and the Exalibur, during the shootings.

Good find - thanks!

The "violet purple bulding" is the backside tower of the Tropicana, which has two high rise hotel buildings on the same property. I continue to find likely the speculation that some of the shooting came from that violet (aka purple) backside tower, which unlike the new Mandalay Bay building, has windows that open. So someone could have opened a window, shot, and closed the window, leaving no obvious (to the public) evidence of their position.

Is this a related piece of video that I'm linking to below or might I be getting muddled with specific buildings? Apologies if so. The building in this video isn't the Mandalay Bay Hotel. There's no way to be absolutely certain that the person being observed is an actual shooter, but, based on a listen to the chatter, those filming seem to be of the opinion that he may be a shooter. Did they see something beforehand to cement that ie see shots come from there? (Unfortunately, I can't view that facebook video link and Harley was kind enough to try and help me there - I don't have an account and although it does start, several seconds later the profile picture pops up and blocks the entire view! This is what happens when you try to view something on facebook when you don't have a facebook account)


https://tvclip.biz/video/d54yW6DKpi8/new-glimpse-of-2nd-possible-vegas-shooter-spotted-in-window.html

The tvclip.biz video at the bottom of your post is at the Tropicana near the intersection of Tropicana Ave and Las Vegas Blvd by the pedestrian overpass to Excalibur. My guess is that the person at the window is not a shooter but a spectator but it does show that the windows open at the Tropicana.

BTW, I'm not on Facebook and I don't have a problem with viewing videos.

Excellent. Thanks for the confirmation of the location. Yes, as I mentioned in the post, one can't be absolutely certain either way and it could just be a spectator. The commentators do though seem, at least in their minds, to think that they could be a shooter and it'd be interesting to know what led them to say that at all in the short clip. Could be they came up with 2+2=1 and made an assumption! Jury's out.....for now

[Orph]

Just a quick question, ........ In that first video posted by Cidersomerset, (post #703, the interview with the security guard), at the 1:13 mark, something flashes by behind the security guard's head. I'm not saying it's anything sinister. I'm just curious what it is.
:noidea:

[norman]

Paddock, a pretty high flyer in his own right, must have been on the "elimination" list of other high flyers.

He was surely set up and killed by the people who organised this.


edit to add:

Don't expect the official story or the corporate media to go anywhere near his real background and business connections etc, but, if we look hard enough, we should find some interesting stuff, eventually.

[ThePythonicCow]

Video where a man is pointing out where the shooting is coming from and it is not Mandalay Bay. He's on the other side of Luxor on the sidewalk and pointing toward the concert venue, perhaps towards the stage. It is difficult to pinpoint exactly, but is definitely not Mandalay.


This video is well worth a watch. It's on Las Vegas Blvd, on the street, somewhere between the Luxor and the Exalibur, during the shootings.

Good find - thanks!

The "violet purple bulding" is the backside tower of the Tropicana, which has two high rise hotel buildings on the same property.

I continue to find likely the speculation that some of the shooting came from that violet (aka purple) backside tower, which unlike the new Mandalay Bay building, has windows that open. So someone could have opened a window, shot, and closed the window, leaving no obvious (to the public) evidence of their position.


Is this a related piece of video that I'm linking to below or might I be getting muddled with specific buildings? Apologies if so. The building in this video isn't the Mandalay Bay Hotel.

This newer tvclip video, Tintin Quarantino, is a different video than the one TrumanCash posted earlier.

This newer tvclip video is shot from the southwest corner of W. Tropicana Ave and S Las Vegas Blvd, looking up at the frontside tower of the Tropicana, whereas TrumanCash's earlier video was looking up at both of the Tropicana towers, from a little bit further away, from a little bit further south and further west.

The window in this newer tvclip video that has the light flashing is facing away from the Route 91 Harvest Festival, so that could not have been a shooter onto that Festival, but I guess it's theoretically possible that it could have been could have been a shooter elsewhere, west or north, towards the New York - New York or towards the Excalibur, not that I've seen any other evidence of such a shooter so far.

[ThePythonicCow]

... whereas TrumanCash's earlier video was looking up at the backside tower of the Tropicana.
Looking at TrumanCash's video again (I can still see it fine), I am working out approximately where it was shot (camera shot, not gun shot <grin>) from.

I believe the (camera) shooter starts on the south side of W Reno Ave on the north side of the Luxor property, a bit west of S Las Vegas Blvd, then crosses W Reno Ave to the Excalibur and goes along the south, then the east side of the main Excalibur building.

The (camera) shooter is taking frequent looks across the street at the Tropicana, showing both the frontside Tropicana tower (closer, white) and the backside Tropicana tower (further away, lit up in a purple light.)

The (camera) shooter is on the west side of the monorail, which can be seen between the camera and the Tropicana, until near the end of the video, when the (camera) shooter ends up almost underneath the monorail.

My continued guess is that one of the (automatic gun) shooters of the Route 91 Harvest Festival was shooting from an open window high up in the backside (purple lit) Tropicana tower.

A large, several story high, black banner with white lettering can be seen high up on the southwest face of the frontside Tropicana tower in both this video and in the video that Tintin Quarantino posted above. I haven't been able to read the lettering.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Just a quick question, ........ In that first video posted by Cidersomerset, (post #703, the interview with the security guard), at the 1:13 mark, something flashes by behind the security guard's head. I'm not saying it's anything sinister. I'm just curious what it is.
:noidea:

If you watch for a few more seconds you'll see it from another angle. It's just the hand of the supposed 'handler' or whoever it is sitting next to him. He reaches over and gives him supporting pat on the back.

[norman]

Is it an intentional part of the plan behind this, to drop a subliminal suspicion into our minds that if we scratch under the Vegas skin, we would probably find Trump's finger prints on the dark underbelly of the place ?

Trump is strongly associated with Vegas, is he not ?

[turiya]

Now, something just occurred to me... Knowing how sleezy the FBI has been over the decades...

And, with all of what we've seen regarding what was going on with the FBI Director James Comey, Loretta Lynch, tarmack-gate with Bill Clinton, the Benghazi fiasco, together with Hillary's email scandal being tied into a Pay to Play scheme through the Clinton Foundation while Hillary tended the Office of Secretary of State... Ripping off the people of Haiti, while also looking back at the murders of Seth Rich, Vince Foster, and the long list of other mysterious deaths tied to the Clintons...

I am just wondering... especially after seeing the following headline posted on ZeroHedge... (below)

Could this latest attack on Americans in Las Vegas, with 59 deaths... Could it be possible that these recent deaths can also be added to the already extensive Clinton Body Count???

Just really wondering... how wicked some people could actually be???
Could there be a link to all of this???


FBI Informant "Threatened" After Offering Details Linking Clinton Foundation To Russian Bribery Case (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-18/fbi-informant-says-he-was-threatened-after-offering-details-linking-clinton-foundati)

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fp_thumb/images/user230519/imageroot/2017.10.18 - FBI Tease.JPG (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-18/fbi-informant-says-he-was-threatened-after-offering-details-linking-clinton-foundati)
"The government was taking a very harsh position that threatened both your reputation and liberty. As you will recall the gov’t made serious threats sufficient to cause you to withdraw your civil complaint."


Oct 19, 2017 4:55 AM




Follow-up to a post from yesterday... as I found that Tom Horn had recently released earlier this month (October) his new book, The Saboteurs. Took an excerpt from the promotional video and posted it below...


Tom Horn: Deep State Saboteurs
(October 20, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlgjW2zHKJI___________


http://skywatchtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/SABOTEURS_hi-rez-199x300.jpg

[sllim11]

"This is combined footage from several sources of the active shooter scene at Tropicana Avenue and South Las Vegas Boulevard, roughly one hour after the shooting had ended at the Route 91 Festival outside the Mandalay Bay, Oct 1st, 2017."

hmmm???

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[ThePythonicCow]

The following 40 second video was linked to in the comments to the eyewitness Tropicana video that Bill posted in 501. Has anyone determined whether this is real or not, from the time of the event?

Any comments or ideas appreciated. Notice how the gun is aimed at folks inside.

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Finally, a week later, someone has come up with a conspiracy theory to explain this armed posse marching through the Tropicana that appeals to my warped way of thinking.

From TRUNEWS (https://trunews.com) comes this article, posted today, stating that this armed posse was an impromptu raid, organized by the FBI at the last minute, to confiscate the surveillance tapes of the Tropicana, which as followers of this thread now know, overlooks the primary shooting scene of the Route 91 Harvest Festival, and which some including myself have been speculating may have been one of the locations of the shooters overlooking the crowd.

TRUNEWS claims in the article that their source was "a senior law enforcement official involved in the investigation"

Here's the text of the TRUNEWS article:

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EXCLUSIVE: FBI Seized Tropicana Video During Las Vegas Massacre

October 19, 2017

As chaos and blood flowed on the streets of the Las Vegas strip, a SWAT team was sent by the FBI to the Tropicana Las Vegas Hotel and Casino to secure and confiscate their surveillance footage of the massacre

VERO BEACH, FL (TruNews) While gunshots were still being fired on the crowd at the Route 91 Harvest Festival from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay, a seven man team, led by an FBI agent, tactically and expeditiously moved through the casino area of the Tropicana toward the hotel's primary security office.

Here is cell phone video of the incident Cerritos, California resident Jay Poloma sent to KPCC radio:

...
According to a senior law enforcement official involved in the investigation, the seven man team was comprised of one FBI tactical officer, standing in the back left of the formation, and six officers from the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department who were drafted last minute for this impromptu raid.

Their mission, according to the senior official, was to secure the video footage being captured from the Tropicana's south facing external surveillance cameras, which were recording an unparalleled high definition view of the massacre from beginning to end.

The Tropicana hotel is approximately 2,100ft from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay and under 1,000ft from the center of the concert area where the majority of victims were shot on October 1.

Cameras placed near the top of the Tropicana's southern most tower would have had an unobstructed view of Steven Paddock's room while he was firing on the crowd.

Regarding the two additional individuals seen in the back of the police formation in the Tropicana, the senior official confirmed they were employees of the hotel, and that the bag the man in shorts was carrying contained between $2.5 and $3 million in casino chips.

=============

The article with embedded video can be found at EXCLUSIVE: FBI Seized Tropicana Video During Las Vegas Massacre (https://www.trunews.com/article/exclusive-fbi-seized-tropicana-video-during-las-vegas-massacre).

Summary: It's more FBI directed destruction of critical evidence.

[ThePythonicCow]

I struggle with the crisis actors. They are real, live human beings, right? How do they sleep well at night knowing they are part of something so wicked, so inhumane? It could be they are paid very well, but I don't know.The following video, from 1975, about the Vietnam War and the CIA's Project Phoenix committing senseless genocide of the Vietnamese, may (sadly) provide an answer to your struggle.

It seems that when we send our young men off to brutal, senseless, wars (are there any other kind?), then some of them, often those who had fathers similarly brutalized, end up being efficient, order following, killers.

I find the following video more depressing than this current Las Vegas shooting. However, don't forget that we have once again (still) been sending some of our young men off to fight in brutal senseless wars, non-stop at least since 9/11 of 2001, and before. The mercenaries of Academi (formerly Xe and Blackwater), of the US Intelligence agencies and of various other government and corporate groups, have a lot of blood on their hands.

The 1975 video:
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Spooks and Cowboys, Gooks and Grunts Part 1 (1975)

[Noelle]

I struggle with the crisis actors. They are real, live human beings, right? How do they sleep well at night knowing they are part of something so wicked, so inhumane? It could be they are paid very well, but I don't know.The following video, from 1975, about the Vietnam War and the CIA's Project Phoenix committing senseless genocide of the Vietnamese, may (sadly) provide an answer to your struggle.

It seems that when we send our young men off to brutal, senseless, wars (are there any other kind?), then some of them, often those who had fathers similarly brutalized, end up being efficient, order following, killers.

I find the following video more depressing than this current Las Vegas shooting. However, don't forget that we have once again (still) been sending some of our young men off to fight in brutal senseless wars, non-stop at least since 9/11 of 2001, and before. The mercenaries of Academi (formerly Xe and Blackwater), of the US Intelligence agencies and of various other government and corporate groups, have a lot of blood on their hands.

The 1975 video:
yOmQoADOQWs
Spooks and Cowboys, Gooks and Grunts Part 1 (1975)

That was hard to watch, but I understand your point. :(

[Tintin]

Here's quite an uplifting video, quite well put together, that captures the spirit of the concert event before the awfulness unfolded. To me it's quite a moving document and may serve as a little light relief from the understandable horror that we have been, necessarily, sharing here.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlQTUVlXFLY

[Hervé]

...


http://thepythoniccow.us/Lower_Strip_incidents_Small.jpg (http://thepythoniccow.us/Lower_Strip_incidents_Large.jpg)
[Click to enlarge] About a dozen casino-hotel resorts on the Las Vegas Strip - other than the Mandalay Bay - reported active shooters on October 1st, 2017. Another half-dozen locations reported sightings of possible suspects.



See full article: Las Vegas Terror Attack: Clear Evidence of Multiple Shooters at Multiple Hotels (https://www.sott.net/article/364990-Las-Vegas-Terror-Attack-Clear-Evidence-of-Multiple-Shooters-at-Multiple-Hotels#)

[Tintin]

...


https://www.sott.net/image/s21/426333/large/Lower_Strip_incidents.jpg (https://www.sott.net/image/s21/426333/full/Lower_Strip_incidents.jpg)
[Click to enlarge] About a dozen casino-hotel resorts on the Las Vegas Strip - other than the Mandalay Bay - reported active shooters on October 1st, 2017. Another half-dozen locations reported sightings of possible suspects.



See full article: Las Vegas Terror Attack: Clear Evidence of Multiple Shooters at Multiple Hotels (https://www.sott.net/article/364990-Las-Vegas-Terror-Attack-Clear-Evidence-of-Multiple-Shooters-at-Multiple-Hotels#)

Brilliant article and excellent find Herve: a must read.

[Tintin]

Here is some more eyewitness testimony found via TheConfessionalsPodcast.com.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/theconfessionals/2017/10/09/episode-38-mandalay-bay--the-untold-eyewitness-stories

Download link: http://blogtalkradio.com/theconfessionals/2017/10/09/episode-38-mandalay-bay--the-untold-eyewitness-stories.mp3

[RunningDeer]

Las Vegas Could Have Been Prevented - Kirk Wiebe, NSA Whistleblower




Kirk Wiebe, NSA Whistleblower, joins the program to discuss NSA and other intelligence agencies failures in stopping Las Vegas attacks and others from occurring. His work on the Thin Thread project led to the mass surveillance apparatus that is in place today. This very apparatus is preventing the NSA from doing their primary job. Mr. Wiebe has many insights into this subject and others. You can support and learn more about Kirk Wiebe at https://www.whistleblower.org/


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Sarah Westall
Published on Oct 21, 2017

[Bill Ryan]

Here is some more eyewitness testimony found via TheConfessionalsPodcast.com.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/theconfessionals/2017/10/09/episode-38-mandalay-bay--the-untold-eyewitness-stories

Download link: http://blogtalkradio.com/theconfessionals/2017/10/09/episode-38-mandalay-bay--the-untold-eyewitness-stories.mp3

For the record, the first of the two witnesses interviewed here is the same very bright and articulate guy (Rick Ardito) who was interviewed by Jeff Rense, here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mZdlOKdWdI[/url]
His narrative, for the first 20 mins or so, is almost identical to the story recounted in the Rense audio, so much so that I was confused for a moment. (I was thinking: "Wait a minute, haven't I heard this before?") But there are a few tiny differences in his narration, and so it's like a second, very compelling and authentic, run through the entire thing.

The second-hour witness, named only as Jeff, also related a story I've heard in another interview — but right now I can't quite place where.

Both are credible, intelligent, articulate, and utterly compelling. Highly recommended. The interviewer, Tony Merkel, is also first-rate.

:thumbsup:

[Hervé]

Text version of the accounts with updates here (https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/theconfessionals/episode-38) (<---)

[Tintin]

Here is some more eyewitness testimony found via TheConfessionalsPodcast.com.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/theconfessionals/2017/10/09/episode-38-mandalay-bay--the-untold-eyewitness-stories

Download link: http://blogtalkradio.com/theconfessionals/2017/10/09/episode-38-mandalay-bay--the-untold-eyewitness-stories.mp3

For the record, this is the same very bright and articulate guy (Rick Ardito) who was interviewed by Jeff Rense, here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mZdlOKdWdI[/url]
His narrative is almost identical to the story recounted in the Rense audio, so much so that I was confused for a moment. (I was thinking: "Wait a minute, haven't I heard this before?") But there are a few tiny differences in his narration, and so it's like a second, very compelling and authentic, run through the entire thing.

:thumbsup:

Ditto Bill, and thanks for making the mp3 available too :bigsmile:

[Cidersomerset]

I have been tied up on other threads not much new on the LV shootings except
this poignant one on AP...

Slain Lawman Honored With Vegas Procession

Associated Press

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3H6-fi7XqY
Published on 20 Oct 2017
A Las Vegas police officer killed in the October 1st shooting massacre was
honoured Friday with a procession of first responders along the Vegas strip.
Hundreds of police officers were also on hand for the funeral of Charleston Hartfield. (Oct. 20)

[Satori]

I want to go on record saying that I am extremely proud of these true Citizens (nationally and globally) who have the courage, not to mention the skills, to come forward with the information from many sources and weave it together into a logical explication of what was actually, or to a high degree of probably, going down in Vegas during the killing and psyop.

They are doing the job that local and national law enforcement, so-called, should be doing but will not.

The globalists' call for cracking down on "fake news", which is any news that exposes the truth or calls into question the mainstream narrative on topics of this nature, can increasingly be heard. When the people share information in an effort to get to the truth and expose the lies, they want even more to shut down the lines of communication between the people, especially the electronic lines of communication.

Bravo to those who stand up and stand out to be heard.

[ThePythonicCow]

They are doing the job that local and national law enforcement, so-called, should be doing but will not.
Not only will they not do their proper job, but they actively, sometimes lethally, obstruct such work, including I'm sure obstructing those amongst their own ranks who would try to honestly investigate or prosecute.

When weapons of mass murder, mass destruction, mass surveillance or mass deception are outlawed, then only those outside of, or above, the law will have such weapons.

[Tintin]

The interview link I'm sharing here relates to my earlier post here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100040-Active-shooters-in-Las-Vegas-59-dead-546-injured&p=1185815&viewfull=1#post1185815 featuring Stephanie and her friend Anthony being interviewed by Laura Loomer.(Jason Goodman is the other voice here who walked with Stephanie in the earlier link I shared, and again above.)

Everything about Stephanie rings true: body language and tone of voice, everything, 100 percent. I'm currently trying to find a copy of her friend's original film mentioned here, and shown, in isolation (not part of any other broadcast), somewhere as well and will continue to dig. She was also the young woman who was interviewed by Fox linked here:
https://tvclip.biz/video/zRjD54ymSCs/first-las-vegas-witness-interviewed-after-the-shooting.html only a short time after getting to relative safety.

In the meantime this ought to, I feel, be given some time - comes in at 59:00 mins:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep6R6j6kkA8

[Cidersomerset]

Mark Steyn is a cutting and satirical journalist on serious topics and a regular on
the Tucker Carlson show. This is a amusing observation on prime time Fox News.

Both Tucker and Steyn say they are not conspiracy nuts.... But in this case it does
not add up...Then they touch on JFK....

Steyn: Conspiracy 'nuts' right to be suspicious about Vegas

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Published on 18 Oct 2017

Steyn: Nothing proceeding normally in Vegas probe

[Tintin]

Having been right through the thread with a fine toothed comb before making any contribution, and subsequently looking very carefully at everything since, I am fairly certain that this piece of footage may not have appeared to date but please by all means correct me if it has.

Filmed by Jason Hartman from a room in the Mandalay Bay hotel it provides an interesting perspective of the concert. Now, I'm aware that there are certain quirks with filming with what is presumably a smartphone - I could be wrong of course - that may sometimes create the illusion that when captured, the subject may appear to be further away from the person filming, that is, appear smaller than may be seen with the naked eye, but, I'm pretty certain that wherever in the building his particular room was suggests it being I would imagine, practically impossible to hit a subject at that distance, from any room in that hotel, let alone the nonsense fairytale that is Stephen Paddock, with any degree of accuracy. Still, I could be mistaken here.

My knowledge of guns is next to none but improving all the time of course with much of the information out there around this, so, I could be missing something obvious. In any event, if it is at all possible, and the definition in the footage isn't too bad, could by scrutinising it in slo-mo, zoom, provide anything to hint at where other shooters could be? Is there any detail that has been captured by accident here? Maybe not, but, it may be worth someone giving it a try.

https://tvclip.biz/video/fpzO6q_lDGI/las-vegas-shooting-eyewitness-account-as-seen-from-within-the-mandalay-bay-hotel.html

[Tintin]

This footage posted up on youtube about 15 hours ago filmed from inside the MGM Grand shows a lot of activity taking place outside, and presumably inside, 'Hooters'. Police and ambulances aplenty and, what according to one of the watchers is seeing, dead or injured people being brought out. So, yet another incident at another location confirming what we now know to be most likely, the reality of multiple shooters.

https://tvclip.biz/video/v3JwEbBMt-Q/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting-aftermath-perspective-from-mgm-grand.html

Definitely worth also listening to some of the background TV news bulletin coverage. It provides a 'real time' placeholder and it was interesting to hear somebody called Gail being interviewed. Impossible to tell if this is the same Gail who phoned into the Michael Savage show, that I posted on this thread what seems like ages ago now.

[ThePythonicCow]

.
Here's the best footage I've seen yet, shot using a GoPro (better for action shooting than a cell phone camera) by someone who was in the back of the crowd and got away in the initial group running away.

It's 15 minutes of clear on the ground footage, from 3 minutes before to 12 minutes after the opening shots, by which time he is across Las Vegas Blvd, north of the Mandalay Bay, between the Luxor and the Excalibur.
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Someone with better hearing than I have may want to analyze the sounds of the shots some more. There are over 400 comments on the Youtube post of this video, with various, conflicting (of course), comments.

[Cidersomerset]

.
Here's the best footage I've seen yet, shot using a GoPro (better for action shooting
than a cell phone camera) by someone who was in the back of the crowd and got away
in the initial group running away.


This shows a initial fire cracker ? aprox 3min 12 secs in , the crowd starts moving
aprox 3min 38 secs.

Aprox 3 min 52 the initial burst start and the reaction of the crowd as they realise
something is wrong and start to get out and take cover. The people here were
relatively calm as they were not at the centre of the event and acted as we are
taught not to panic and leave as orderly and quickly as you can in any emergency
situation. Though there was some very scared , running and screaming as well
to be expected.

I could not tell if it came from Mandalay bay straight away or see any barrel flashes
from the windows when the camera pointed that way. Should there have been gun
flashes ? Needs more close ups and those with knowledge of this type of weapon etc...


Good find though.

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from # 735 above by Tintin ...https://tvclip.biz/video/fpzO6q_lDGI/las-vegas-shooting-eyewitness-account-as-seen-from-within-the-mandalay-bay-hotel.html


This vid complements Pauls find as it is coming from Mandalay ....It does
show a lot of police cars responding.


LAS VEGAS SHOOTING EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT AS SEEN FROM WITHIN THE MANDALAY BAY HOTEL

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Published on 10 Oct 2017
Jason Hartman's eyewitness account of the shooting in Las Vegas as seen from the
Foundation Room within the Mandalay Bay Hotel. News organizations please
provide attribution to Jason Hartman for any on-air usages.

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This may have already been posted.....

https://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/544-vt-retina.jpg

Las Vegas Massacre Analysis
By Ian Greenhalgh -
October 20, 2017

https://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Shooters-map-01-1.jpg

I am of the opinion that we will never know the real details of the Las Vegas
Massacre, that we will never know how many shooters were involved, what
weapons they used, where they were located, etc etc.

Why? For the simple reason that the FBI has not and will not conduct a proper
investigation, furthermore, they will obstruct and derail any legitimate
investigations the LVMPD will attempt.

The morning after the shooting, the bodies of the victims have been removed but
the sheer amount of detritus left behind is plain to see, and all of this stuff is
evidence, all of it should be photographed in situ then tagged, bagged and collected
for later forensic analysis.




read more...
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/10/20/las-vegas-massacre-analysis/

[Tesseract]

Casting doubt on the fire cracker theory in response to two videos in this page, post 727 and 737:

The idea is that those early pops during the preceding song were fire crackers, witness in 727 says it sounded like they were coming from within the venue. Some problems with this theory:

1) Same noises are captured on another video from the other side of the state, and people mostly look up and away from the venue in response to the sudden noise.
2) People were running away screaming in the aftermath, before the extended volley of shots. Not consistent with just fire crackers.
3) Even the main shots (extended volleys) were described as fireworks by some people on the scene, before they realised what was truly going on.

[mgray]

Not familiar with the angle that this video was shot, but why did the video not pick up muzzle flashes from the 32 floor window?

[Hervé]

[...]
It's 15 minutes of clear on the ground footage, from 3 minutes before to 12 minutes after the opening shots, by which time he is across Las Vegas Blvd, north of the Mandalay Bay, between the Luxor and the Excalibur.
[...]

At the beginning of that video, I was looking for any muzzle flashes from the top floors of the Mandalay Bay... none that I could see.

Yet, one can see the flashing lights of an airliner passing behind the hotel... while the moon is full on...

So, that - if correct - would be in favor of "No broken windows (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100040-Active-shooters-in-Las-Vegas-59-dead-546-injured&p=1183687&viewfull=1#post1183687)" on the Mandalay Bay's 32nd floor (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100040-Active-shooters-in-Las-Vegas-59-dead-546-injured&p=1184456&viewfull=1#post1184456) at the time of the shooting... (see post # 447 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100040-Active-shooters-in-Las-Vegas-59-dead-546-injured&p=1184789&viewfull=1#post1184789) as well)

[Tintin]

Not familiar with the angle that this video was shot, but why did the video not pick up muzzle flashes from the 32 floor window?

Because there weren't any, and there was nobody shooting into the concert from there. Mandalay Bay focus is a deliberate decoy as far as shooting is concerned, in my view.

[Cidersomerset]

Not familiar with the angle that this video was shot, but why did the
video not pick up muzzle flashes from the 32 floor window?

That was my first thought and I wondered whether the weapon, distance or
focus comes into play ? I could not see anything coming from the windows
either , but maybe there is a simple answer ? obviously other shooters ,
though I am not an analyst.

[Orph]

I think it's possible those "firecracker" noises are another smaller caliber semi-automatic rifle. (.223 caliber). I heard that same higher pitched popping sound in another video. Also, in another video a person showed where a bullet entered his leg(?) if I remember correctly. The entrance wound was a small hole. A size consistent with a .223 round. The main rat-a-tat sounds we hear are, I'm pretty sure, from a much bigger caliber rifle.

Just speculation on my part.

[TrumanCash]

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Here's the best footage I've seen yet, shot using a GoPro (better for action shooting
than a cell phone camera) by someone who was in the back of the crowd and got away
in the initial group running away.


This shows a initial fire cracker ? aprox 3min 12 secs in , the crowd starts moving
aprox 3min 38 secs.

Aprox 3 min 52 the initial burst start and the reaction of the crowd as they realise
something is wrong and start to get out and take cover. The people here were
relatively calm as they were not at the centre of the event and acted as we are
taught not to panic and leave as orderly and quickly as you can in any emergency
situation. Though there was some very scared , running and screaming as well
to be expected.

I could not tell if it came from Mandalay bay straight away or see any barrel flashes
from the windows when the camera pointed that way. Should there have been gun
flashes ? Needs more close ups and those with knowledge of this type of weapon etc...


Good find though.

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from # 735 above by Tintin ...https://tvclip.biz/video/fpzO6q_lDGI/las-vegas-shooting-eyewitness-account-as-seen-from-within-the-mandalay-bay-hotel.html


This vid complements Pauls find as it is coming from Mandalay ....It does
show a lot of police cars responding.


LAS VEGAS SHOOTING EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT AS SEEN FROM WITHIN THE MANDALAY BAY HOTEL

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Published on 10 Oct 2017
Jason Hartman's eyewitness account of the shooting in Las Vegas as seen from the
Foundation Room within the Mandalay Bay Hotel. News organizations please
provide attribution to Jason Hartman for any on-air usages.

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This may have already been posted.....

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Las Vegas Massacre Analysis
By Ian Greenhalgh -
October 20, 2017

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I am of the opinion that we will never know the real details of the Las Vegas
Massacre, that we will never know how many shooters were involved, what
weapons they used, where they were located, etc etc.

Why? For the simple reason that the FBI has not and will not conduct a proper
investigation, furthermore, they will obstruct and derail any legitimate
investigations the LVMPD will attempt.

The morning after the shooting, the bodies of the victims have been removed but
the sheer amount of detritus left behind is plain to see, and all of this stuff is
evidence, all of it should be photographed in situ then tagged, bagged and collected
for later forensic analysis.




read more...
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/10/20/las-vegas-massacre-analysis/

Jason Hartman's video is very telling IMO. It reveals that most of the shooting was coming from somewhere else, not the Mandalay.

Because of the video by the taxi driver Cori Langdon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hXJhnNRu1E) on the north side of the Mandalay property it appears that initially there were some rounds fired from this location. However, the taxi was on the north side of the tram station which has a fairly high roof above the taxi as well as other rooftop locations nearby. After the initial rounds at or near the Mandalay the shooting sounds distant with more echo/reverberation. This video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hXJhnNRu1E) is very revealing in that it plainly shows more than one shooter.

Also, there's Kolozsvári Attila's video (https://www.facebook.com/attila.kolozsvari.3/videos/1634569629908226/) wherein he points to two shooter positions.

From the other videos on the ground the shooting is much louder and more distinct and apparently closer. Some people even reported that the shooters were moving toward them at the event.

It therefore appears to me that Mandalay was an intentional distraction from the beginning. As I pointed out in previous posts the strobe light was just that--a strobe light. It not only fooled numerous online investigators it may have even fooled the people at the concert. In one video it shows people pointing (apparently) toward the Mandalay at the beginning of the shooting with one guy giving it the finger. They may have been looking at the strobing light thinking it was muzzle flashes, too.

I have yet to see any actual muzzle flashes in any of the videos I've seen on this thread or any others.

I think the most important datum in on all of this is that there are multiple firsthand accounts of multiple shooters and that alone exposes the fraud of the "lone gunman".

It's very similar to the Kennedy assassination official narrative in that the patsy "long gunman" fired from a high window of a building when there were actually multiple shooters at ground level and there were no shots from the alleged high location in an area that is coincidentally rife with Masonic/Illuminati symbols. And the patsy gets gets blamed and is shot dead (or suicided) so it's case closed cuz there's no conspiracy with a "lone gunman".

I don't know why the author of the Veteran's Today article didn't point out the Luxor obelisk as a possible shooter position since it is hollow and has a good line of sight to the front of the stage area (not to mention the symbolism of it). However, he did point out the billboards which I've always thought were likely candidates for shooter positions.

I want to thank all the courageous people who were there and who went public with their videos that reveal a much different reality than the "lone gunman" fiction foisted upon us by "law enforcement".

[Hervé]

Eyewitness describes police shooting suspect at Delano hotel after Route 91 massacre (https://www.sott.net/article/365151-Eyewitness-describes-police-shooting-suspect-at-Delano-hotel-after-Route-91-massacre#)

Niall Bradley Sott.net (https://www.sott.net/article/365151-Eyewitness-describes-police-shooting-suspect-at-Delano-hotel-after-Route-91-massacre#)
Sun, 22 Oct 2017 19:07 UTC


https://www.sott.net/image/s21/426813/medium/Mandalay_Delano_carpark.jpg (https://www.sott.net/image/s21/426813/full/Mandalay_Delano_carpark.jpg)


An eyewitness of the Las Vegas shooting massacre on October 1st claims to have heard gunshots fired on the ground floor of the Delano hotel after the gunfire from the Mandalay Bay had ended and both hotels went into lock-down.

Cited as both Jake Freedman (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/vegas-shooting-latest-witness-accounts-bullets-flying-everywhere-mandalay-bay-strip-police-music-a7978086.html) or Jack Friedman (http://news.sky.com/story/las-vegas-shooting-horror-show-as-fans-hide-in-sewers-11064257) in subsequent media reports, the full audio statement provided by this eyewitness to ABC News (https://twitter.com/joshdcaplan/status/914760993359765504), who was a guest at the Delano, included key details left out by all media outlets who quoted his interview comments.

After witnessing the venue massacre from the Skyfall Lounge at the top of the Delano resort next to the Mandalay Bay, Freedman twice went downstairs to the ground floor.

The first time he went down, he saw pandemonium as people entered his hotel in search of safety from the venue. He then ventured downstairs a second time; probably some time after the massacre because he states that the ground floor of the Delano was at this time deserted.

He says that this time he encountered police officers there who told him to "run away", after which he heard gunshots close by, leading him to think that police may have been "dealing with the shooter":
Transcript

"A little bit later, I got on Periscope and started broadcasting. I had a little over 10,000 viewers watching. I was down there when it was evacuated and there was nobody out there. Front desk was gone, it was totally like a ghost town. We met up with these other guys who were also looking, trying to find information.

We met up with these security guards and police officers who asked us what we were doing and told us to 'run away!' We heard gunshots from around the corner. We were in the Delano, right next to a walkway that connects the Mandalay Bay and the Delano. We heard gunshots from right at that hallway, so we think that the police were dealing with the shooter while we were down there." With Paddock upstairs in suite 135-32 of the adjoining Mandalay, this would obviously not have been 'the' shooter but another shooter or accomplice. There is a report on the first police scanner audio (https://www.sott.net/article/364990-Las-Vegas-Terror-Attack-Clear-Evidence-of-Multiple-Shooters-at-Multiple-Hotels) (see 'Annex - Transcript of LVMPD police scanner') that potentially corroborates this eyewitness's testimony. At time-stamp 54:15, which I estimate to be roughly 11pm, a police officer describes a suspect at the Delano:
"We are near the Sports Book at Mandalay Bay. We have one male wearing a... WMA [white adult male] it looks to us... maroon or black shirt. [shouting in background] He didn't listen to us... in towards the Delano." Recall Jake's description of the location where he heard these gunshots; inside the walkway linking the Delano to the Mandalay Bay. The Sports Book Grill restaurant is located along this walkway:


https://www.sott.net/image/s21/426725/large/Sports_Book_Delano_Mandalay_wa.jpg (https://www.sott.net/image/s21/426725/full/Sports_Book_Delano_Mandalay_wa.jpg)
[Click to enlarge] An outline of the walkway connecting the Mandalay Bay and the Delano resorts (via Google Maps)



https://www.sott.net/image/s21/426728/large/Delano_Hotel_Las_Vegas_34.jpg (https://www.sott.net/image/s21/426728/full/Delano_Hotel_Las_Vegas_34.jpg)
The walkway linking the Delano to the Mandalay Bay. Did police encounter and shoot at a suspect here?© onemileatatime.boardingarea.com


It appears that the Las Vegas police and the FBI have more questions to answer: did LVMPD officers encounter and shoot someone at this location? Did they wound this 'white adult male'? Did they kill him? If he was taken into custody, is he a suspect in the worst mass shooting in US history?

[Harley]

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Here's the best footage I've seen yet, shot using a GoPro (better for action shooting than a cell phone camera) by someone who was in the back of the crowd and got away in the initial group running away.

It's 15 minutes of clear on the ground footage, from 3 minutes before to 12 minutes after the opening shots, by which time he is across Las Vegas Blvd, north of the Mandalay Bay, between the Luxor and the Excalibur.
muiHkkbPpdU
Someone with better hearing than I have may want to analyze the sounds of the shots some more. There are over 400 comments on the Youtube post of this video, with various, conflicting (of course), comments.

OK Paul, now you've gone and done it! I haven't done any of this analysis before but now I can't resist! :)

Watched this several times, first focusing my attention on sounds and then focusing my attention on people's reactions.

Here is what I heard and seen:

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This video perspective is from a gate at the rear of the venue, far from the stage.

3:12 - Single Shot
3:17 - Single Shot immediately followed by Firecrackers.


Listening closely I can distinctly hear the difference in the sound and the volume between the Single Shot and the Firecrackers. This leads me to believe that the Firecrackers were further away (probably up near the stage) and the Single Shot was much closer to the rear of the venue, possibly on the opposite side of the rear gate (To the right of the camera's perspective).
The Firecracker sounds continue up to:
3:20 - Single Shot followed by one more Firecracker
3:32 - One person running fast in front of the camera, heading for the entrance gate (Random?).
3:37 - Single Shot and people are beginning to run from the right of the camera towards the gate
3:41 - Mass Exodus is beginning, mostly from the right of the camera.
3:51 - Single Shot AND Automatic Fire begins

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After writing the above I went looking around a little until I found this interview which I watched in it's entirety.

This is Stephanie, who was standing at ground level near one of the VIP Suites, which appears to have been to the right of the camera's location in the above video.

Stephanie describes hearing
One single loud bang right behind me [...] and this was a single loud huge bang right behind me, and I turn around and look and I see that someone has fallen and the group of people that are with this person is helping her up or trying to figure out what's going on, and I'm observing this as well [...] and maybe 40 seconds later some shooting goes off on the crowd and that's like when it was automatic gunfire, completely different from the first one.

Stephanie also provided a short video clip (taken by someone else) which shows her and her reaction, as described in her above statement.

(If you have not watched this interview before, please do)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrltjkjjsAQ

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The First Victim?

Stephanie's statements appear to agree quite nicely with my Sight and Sound analysis of Paul's video.

The woman that Stephanie witnessed falling after hearing the first loud bang was possibly, and quite likely (in my view), the first shooting victim.

But how could that be when she would have been (mostly) shielded from the sniper at Mandalay Bay? Exactly! (This is my point)

Single Shot

The Single Shots that I mentioned were possibly, and quite likely (in my view), from a Pistol(s) or a Hand Gun(s) as opposed to a (Semi)-Automatic Weapon. I've been around firearms all my life and that's what it sounds like to me.

Thought Exercise: With security at the gate and everywhere else, what type of Firearm would be the most conducive to a person who was planning to walk into a large crowd with the intention of shooting a bunch of people, and then expecting to escape safely amongst the masses of panicking people?

There may have been other gunmen in the crowd too, I don't know. But it appears to me that the above is where it all started.

It also appears to me that this may have been a coordinated effort and that the shooters were most likely in communication with one another.

Just like all Tactical Units operate.

[Tintin]

.
Here's the best footage I've seen yet, shot using a GoPro (better for action shooting than a cell phone camera) by someone who was in the back of the crowd and got away in the initial group running away.

It's 15 minutes of clear on the ground footage, from 3 minutes before to 12 minutes after the opening shots, by which time he is across Las Vegas Blvd, north of the Mandalay Bay, between the Luxor and the Excalibur.
muiHkkbPpdU
Someone with better hearing than I have may want to analyze the sounds of the shots some more. There are over 400 comments on the Youtube post of this video, with various, conflicting (of course), comments.

OK Paul, now you've gone and done it! I haven't done any of this analysis before but now I can't resist! :)

Watched this several times, first focusing my attention on sounds and then focusing my attention on people's reactions.

Here is what I heard and seen:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This video perspective is from a gate at the rear of the venue, far from the stage.

3:12 - Single Shot
3:17 - Single Shot immediately followed by Firecrackers.


Listening closely I can distinctly hear the difference in the sound and the volume between the Single Shot and the Firecrackers. This leads me to believe that the Firecrackers were further away (probably up near the stage) and the Single Shot was much closer to the rear of the venue, possibly on the opposite side of the rear gate (To the right of the camera's perspective).
The Firecracker sounds continue up to:
3:20 - Single Shot followed by one more Firecracker
3:32 - One person running fast in front of the camera, heading for the entrance gate (Random?).
3:37 - Single Shot and people are beginning to run from the right of the camera towards the gate
3:41 - Mass Exodus is beginning, mostly from the right of the camera.
3:51 - Single Shot AND Automatic Fire begins

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After writing the above I went looking around a little until I found this interview which I watched in it's entirety.

This is Stephanie, who was standing at ground level near one of the VIP Suites, which appears to have been to the right of the camera's location in the above video.

Stephanie describes hearing
One single loud bang right behind me [...] and this was a single loud huge bang right behind me, and I turn around and look and I see that someone has fallen and the group of people that are with this person is helping her up or trying to figure out what's going on, and I'm observing this as well [...] and maybe 40 seconds later some shooting goes off on the crowd and that's like when it was automatic gunfire, completely different from the first one.

Stephanie also provided a short video clip (taken by someone else) which shows her and her reaction, as described in her above statement.

(If you have not watched this interview before, please do)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrltjkjjsAQ

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The First Victim?

Stephanie's statements appear to agree quite nicely with my Sight and Sound analysis of Paul's video.

The woman that Stephanie witnessed falling after hearing the first loud bang was possibly, and quite likely (in my view), the first shooting victim.

But how could that be when she would have been (mostly) shielded from the sniper at Mandalay Bay? Exactly! (This is my point)

Single Shot

The Single Shots that I mentioned were possibly, and quite likely (in my view), from a Pistol(s) or a Hand Gun(s) as opposed to a (Semi)-Automatic Weapon. I've been around firearms all my life and that's what it sounds like to me.

Thought Exercise: With security at the gate and everywhere else, what type of Firearm would be the most conducive to a person who was planning to walk into a large crowd with the intention of shooting a bunch of people, and then expecting to escape safely amongst the masses of panicking people?

There may have been other gunmen in the crowd too, I don't know. But it appears to me that the above is where it all started.

It also appears to me that this may have been a coordinated effort and that the shooters were most likely in communication with one another.

Just like all Tactical Units operate.

Yes, I've already linked to three pieces of different interview with Stephanie, here, including this one, the original Fox one, and the walkabout with Jason Goodman: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100040-Active-shooters-in-Las-Vegas-59-dead-546-injured&p=1186622&viewfull=1#post1186622

All should be listened to in their entirety. She's 100 percent the real deal as an eye-witness, absolutely.

[Harley]

Yes, I've already linked to three pieces of different interview with Stephanie, here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100040-Active-shooters-in-Las-Vegas-59-dead-546-injured&p=1186622&viewfull=1#post1186622

All should be listened to in their entirety. She's 100 percent the real deal as an eye-witness, absolutely.

Cool!

But did you read what I wrote?

:)

[Tintin]

Yes, I've already linked to three pieces of different interview with Stephanie, here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100040-Active-shooters-in-Las-Vegas-59-dead-546-injured&p=1186622&viewfull=1#post1186622

All should be listened to in their entirety. She's 100 percent the real deal as an eye-witness, absolutely.

Cool!

But did you read what I wrote?

:)

I did and it mirrors exactly what I determine also to be the case. Truman and Paul have nailed it as well. Any student of JFK, 9/11 will have drawn the immediate parallel here at the point the MSM rolled out their version. And I mean, and I certainly did, within minutes of it being broadcast. This was definitely a privately contracted job executed with military precision, probably involving rogue Israeli, CIA, whichever agency, working for a deep deep state.

Along with the all important testimony of eye-witnesses, lines of future enquiry simply must include this angle or investigators will be disappearing down rabbit holes only to be forever confused. Add in a little gematria and the true perpetrators obsession with **symbolism in its negative aspect and anyone can get there a little more quickly.

Hopefully people will feel bold enough to come out and share what they know, saw, filmed and experienced - this is huge, and also an incredibly saddening event. This is my overwhelming sensation, sadness and a certain empathy, with occasional and very occasional anger. (A little of the fervent rage of youth occasionally rears its head, still.)

May take another 5 years or so for more strands or evidence to complete the picture fully; I don't think it'll take as long as the JFK or 9/11 investigating this time around.

Nice work everybody here who is trying to pull the pieces together.

**Postscript: a search on Mandalay Camp on this site would be of some interest to those inquisitive on a piece of symbolism: https://exposebohemiangrove.org/. The 2004 list contains a fascinating cast of characters familiar to many of us here. The Mandalay Camp is apparently one of, if not the most prestigious of those in the Grove.

[ThePythonicCow]

OK Paul, now you've gone and done it! I haven't done any of this analysis before but now I can't resist! :)
You're a stubborn one :).


Watched this several times, first focusing my attention on sounds and then focusing my attention on people's reactions.

Here is what I heard and seen:

3:32 - One person running fast in front of the camera, heading for the entrance gate (Random?).
3:37 - Single Shot and people are beginning to run from the right of the camera towards the gate
3:41 - Mass Exodus is beginning, mostly from the right of the camera.
But that first shot that Stephanie heard, the loud shot that scared her and caused her to turn around to see that someone was down in the VIP section behind her ... that was all happening to the left of the camera, not the right. This is not making sense to me.

The first three minutes of camera from the GoPro video that I posted show the stage and the crowd (as seen from the back of the crowd), and the Mandalay Bay a little to the right of the stage, further off. It also shows the VIP section close and to the left of the camera.

Then the video clip shown at 18:39 into the interview with Stephanie that you (and earlier Tintin Quarantino) posted shows that same VIP section and when panning further left, away from the stage, it shows the purple lit up backside tower of the Tropicana, which is on almost the opposite side of the festival grounds from the Mandalay Bay.

Then in the walkabout by Stephanie with Jason Goodman that Tintin Quarantino also posted, she clearly points out the VIP area, stage right, on the right side of the audience viewed from the stage. This is consistent with the VIP area being on the left side of audience members (and of the GoPro camera shooter), when they are viewing the stage.

So ... you clear use of the word "right" confuses me.