Pleiadian contact

[WhiteLove]

In this radio interview hosted by Jimmy Church on his Fade To Black radio YouTube channel, a guy by the name of Dale Harder shares his fascinating insights and memory of originating from the Pleiades star cluster.

His description of the lighter density realm of existence that he thinks humanity is ascending towards matches very well with my experience of what I think is that realm. To me that is incredibly interesting.

What is very interesting also, is that it appears that he is making his contact events similarly to how my experience was initiated - in an altered state in the dream state. It is simply a dream at sleep at night that just suddenly and unexpectedly turns totally different from all other dreams you've ever had.

So it is a dream while at sleep, but not the kind of dream we think of when we think of having a dream during sleep at night. It's more like waking up to a different reality, as lucid as it can get but with a totally different vibe to it. Interestingly he has also experienced a UFO on earth in the awake state, I have too...

I cannot remember that I was given information that I am originally from the Pleiades, but I can remember being given information about earth before I came here, so that must have served some purpose. I am thinking is it possible I am from the Pleiades too considering the similarities of our insights.

It would be interesting to know has he experienced the truth realm he described or is he describing a realm as explained by beings from the Pleiades, that I have actually been to. I am also now asking myself whether the UFO I experienced might have originated from the Pleiades...?! I do think it was "phased" similarly to how he described it.

A possibility is that at least some of the UFOs we see are actually living entities with beings inside, partially in our dimension but at a vibrational state at which they cross the upper frequency boundary of our dimension. It is possible that the beings inside of the craft are in a "soul merged" state with the spirit of the craft - so they are one with it inside of it and they move around with their consciousness using the craft as the container to which they are attached.

But the resonance with the being of earth is such that the product of the physical container and the spirit produces a higher vibration that amounts to a phased phenomenon relative to our perspective: semi-physical. That container might also act as a vibrational shield to the beings inside. By being inside of that craft they potentially might maintain more of their original vibration (or shield themselves entirely) yet still through the craft experience the lower vibration amounting to the realm within which earth exists. The reason why I find this might be the case, is that in my experience the vibration of the spirit is love and as a being you do not find it is nice to release much of that love into a more dense/lower vibration state of being.

The craft in essence becomes a sense/interface of realms and a body of transportation across realms of various vibrational rates. I do not know the exact details of this of course, but to me the concept of phased bodies totally makes sense, because if the reality is vibrational, then all objects within it are too, so then if a given realm has a specific vibration and an object is partially within the range of that vibration and partially out of range of that vibration, it must result in some phased phenomenon relative to our perception of it, it's there, we can see it as an orb of light but we cannot touch it. Bullets go through it...

Now, interestingly, if it works like this and you are able to figure out the connection between the spiritual world and the physical world and the deeper aspects of the vibrational nature of creation and make technologies that bridge those two worlds, then travelling between various worlds in various realms might just become a matter of tuning into particular frequencies - becoming fully or partially (phased) in resonance with those distant worlds. There are several things we need to figure out:

- How is the vibrational rate of an object measured and how is that rate controlled?

- What is the process of a spirit forming a spiritual bond with/attachment to a particular physical object? Can they both in union alter their total vibrational rate and hence instantly become in resonance with various worlds at various realms?

In my experience, when the vibrational rate of my spirit went beyond the vibrational rate of the peace realm (through a vibrational acceleration process), my spirit basically detached from it - I think I was basically consciousness in spirit at that point. (I could see my own body outside of myself)

This indicates some potential details about the vibrational nature at the deeper level - that within creation vibrations at the very core level can at least be distinct:

1) A realm's vibration is A and a spirit's vibration is A - now the being is within the realm of A.

2) A realm's vibration is A and a spirit's vibration is B - now the being is outside the realm of A and inside the realm of B.

These are my current thoughts on it based on how it appears relative to my experience and what that experience appeared to suggest, further extended a little by Dale's insights and ultimately forms a hypothesis I am sure holds some limitations colored by me trying to understand it from a human perspective.

If Dale's story is true and I think it might be, there is higher dimensional knowledge being communicated.

It appears to me there is currently a vibrational difference between that place/realm and earth/realm.

In the interview he is asked all kinds of questions like how do they get here and interesting questions like that.

The Pleiades star cluster is at a distance of around 4 201 000 000 000 000 km from earth, which is equal to travelling around earth around 105 billion times, or turn and return to our moon around 5.5 billion times, or going around our sun around 1 billion times, or similar to around 9% towards the center of our galaxy.

PwYRpnebKHk

[Baby Steps]

Agree with this

if particles are black holes, and the higher octave of matter includes a higher value for c, the speed of light , since schwarzchild says r= 2Gm/c2, if energy and radius is unchanged, the particles become much lighter.

Now the energy of a photon is proportional to its frequency. if c increases, energy increases, and, assuming the planck constant remains constant, frequency must increase.

this is why I think , higher dimensional incursions into our reality include oodles of light. it is a higher form of matter that is lighter because more of its energy is tied up in a higher value for c.

is this higher octave part of the overall universe? I think so, as the universe must remain within its defined energy quantum. But maybe it allows for mass/energy to feed from one octave to another , so travel there and back is technologically possible, and there may be a trend for matter to slowly migrate upwards as spiritual beings grow, and spiritual civilisations learn how to use technology in a benign way.

very speculative. gut feelings. These ideas fit with Alex Colliers accounts. If you 'go up', your spirit matter probably becomes a larger component of that finer reality, so esp, telekinesis, and command of matter at the quantum level would become more powerful.

[WhiteLove]

wot he said

if particles are black holes, and the higher octave of matter includes a higher value for c, the speed of light , since schwarzchild says r= 2Gm/c2, if energy and radius is unchanged, the particles become much lighter.

Now the energy of a photon is proportional to its frequency. if c increases, energy increases, and, assuming the planck constant remains constant, frequency must increase.

this is why I think , higher dimensional incursions into our reality include oodles of light. it is a higher form of matter that is lighter because more of its energy is tied up in a higher value for c.


Good line of thought. I have revised my previous theory because I was unable to re-produce it due to lack of memory how I did it. Later on I will do some fresh calculations on this...

[dynamo]

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- How is the vibrational rate of an object measured and how is that rate controlled?

- What is the process of a spirit forming a spiritual bond with/attachment to a particular physical object? Can they both in union alter their total vibrational rate and hence instantly become in resonance with various worlds at various realms?

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Simply put, vibration rate is measured by the frequency of the vibration. The vibration is controlled by the energy systems in the body and mind. For example, consumption of alcohol lowers the vibration rate, or frequency. Meditation raises it (as do some hallucinogenic substances).

The spirit energy is connected to the physical body by what is known as the "silver cord". The spirit body leaves the physical every night during sleep. The silver cord connection remains intact and the cord length increases as the spirit moves further from the body and decreases as the spirit returns to the body.
Upon death, the silver cord is severed, kind of like the umbilical cord at birth, and the spirit/body connection no longer exists.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

PwYRpnebKHk

Thanks for the link, but not sure about this guy. There was some really interesting info here. There was every chance his story was a genuine one, it resonated and I was with him for much of it, I found it highly absorbing – and he was doing pretty well until he mentioned 'blue avians' near the end.

Come on Jimmy. I like Jimmy Church as a host, but as an interviewer, sometimes his questions are dire. He will ask the most inane, unrelated, and irrelevant questions, and miss the most obvious, interesting and IMPORTANT questions, particularly follow up questions. That he completely failed to pick up on the blue avians comment was especially frustrating. When dealing with subjects of this magnitude, you gotta ask hard questions, not fluffy ones. We need much more rigorous and discerning questions, because there's too much noise out there in this field as it is, and separating the wheat from chaff is getting increasingly harder.

[Omni]

What is very interesting also, is that it appears that he is making his contact events similarly to how my experience was initiated - in an altered state in the dream state. It is simply a dream at sleep at night that just suddenly and unexpectedly turns totally different from all other dreams you've ever had.

Sounds like a neuroscience based VR PSYOP to me.

[Noelle]

What is very interesting also, is that it appears that he is making his contact events similarly to how my experience was initiated - in an altered state in the dream state. It is simply a dream at sleep at night that just suddenly and unexpectedly turns totally different from all other dreams you've ever had.

Sounds like a neuroscience based VR PSYOP to me.

I mentioned you and your synthetic dream/astral experience discussions in the Elon Musk thread this morning. I may have asked this months ago, but I need to put it out there again (for me): Not all metaphysical experiences are synthetic, correct? Also, when we experience something in the dream, astral or other altered state, what are some clues to look for to determine whether it is synthetic or not?

[Omni]

What is very interesting also, is that it appears that he is making his contact events similarly to how my experience was initiated - in an altered state in the dream state. It is simply a dream at sleep at night that just suddenly and unexpectedly turns totally different from all other dreams you've ever had.

Sounds like a neuroscience based VR PSYOP to me.

I mentioned you and your synthetic dream/astral experience discussions in the Elon Musk thread this morning. I may have asked this months ago, but I need to put it out there again (for me): Not all metaphysical experiences are synthetic, correct? Also, when we experience something in the dream, astral or other altered state, what are some clues to look for to determine whether it is synthetic or not?

It is hard to explain the occult point of view on a predominantly new age forum, because people are so firmly programmed into believing the new age perspectives like disembodied spirits are flying around mind controlling us and eating our emotions. Personally I would rather the galactic community @ global contact describe the truths to metaphysical reality's. Largely because I feel the population, especially the religious and new age populations, are especially deceived in this area.

[Mari]

In this radio interview hosted by Jimmy Church on his Fade To Black radio YouTube channel, a guy by the name of Dale Harder shares his fascinating insights and memory of originating from the Pleiades star cluster.

His description of the lighter density realm of existence that he thinks humanity is ascending towards matches very well with my experience of what I think is that realm. To me that is incredibly interesting.

What is very interesting also, is that it appears that he is making his contact events similarly to how my experience was initiated - in an altered state in the dream state. It is simply a dream at sleep at night that just suddenly and unexpectedly turns totally different from all other dreams you've ever had.

So it is a dream while at sleep, but not the kind of dream we think of when we think of having a dream during sleep at night. It's more like waking up to a different reality, as lucid as it can get but with a totally different vibe to it. Interestingly he has also experienced a UFO on earth in the awake state, I have too...

I cannot remember that I was given information that I am originally from the Pleiades, but I can remember being given information about earth before I came here, so that must have served some purpose. I am thinking is it possible I am from the Pleiades too considering the similarities of our insights.

It would be interesting to know has he experienced the truth realm he described or is he describing a realm as explained by beings from the Pleiades, that I have actually been to. I am also now asking myself whether the UFO I experienced might have originated from the Pleiades...?! I do think it was "phased" similarly to how he described it.

A possibility is that at least some of the UFOs we see are actually living entities with beings inside, partially in our dimension but at a vibrational state at which they cross the upper frequency boundary of our dimension. It is possible that the beings inside of the craft are in a "soul merged" state with the spirit of the craft - so they are one with it inside of it and they move around with their consciousness using the craft as the container to which they are attached.

But the resonance with the being of earth is such that the product of the physical container and the spirit produces a higher vibration that amounts to a phased phenomenon relative to our perspective: semi-physical. That container might also act as a vibrational shield to the beings inside. By being inside of that craft they potentially might maintain more of their original vibration (or shield themselves entirely) yet still through the craft experience the lower vibration amounting to the realm within which earth exists. The reason why I find this might be the case, is that in my experience the vibration of the spirit is love and as a being you do not find it is nice to release much of that love into a more dense/lower vibration state of being.

The craft in essence becomes a sense/interface of realms and a body of transportation across realms of various vibrational rates. I do not know the exact details of this of course, but to me the concept of phased bodies totally makes sense, because if the reality is vibrational, then all objects within it are too, so then if a given realm has a specific vibration and an object is partially within the range of that vibration and partially out of range of that vibration, it must result in some phased phenomenon relative to our perception of it, it's there, we can see it as an orb of light but we cannot touch it. Bullets go through it...

Now, interestingly, if it works like this and you are able to figure out the connection between the spiritual world and the physical world and the deeper aspects of the vibrational nature of creation and make technologies that bridge those two worlds, then travelling between various worlds in various realms might just become a matter of tuning into particular frequencies - becoming fully or partially (phased) in resonance with those distant worlds. There are several things we need to figure out:

- How is the vibrational rate of an object measured and how is that rate controlled?

- What is the process of a spirit forming a spiritual bond with/attachment to a particular physical object? Can they both in union alter their total vibrational rate and hence instantly become in resonance with various worlds at various realms?

In my experience, when the vibrational rate of my spirit went beyond the vibrational rate of the peace realm (through a vibrational acceleration process), my spirit basically detached from it - I think I was basically consciousness in spirit at that point. (I could see my own body outside of myself)

This indicates some potential details about the vibrational nature at the deeper level - that within creation vibrations at the very core level can at least be distinct:

1) A realm's vibration is A and a spirit's vibration is A - now the being is within the realm of A.

2) A realm's vibration is A and a spirit's vibration is B - now the being is outside the realm of A and inside the realm of B.

These are my current thoughts on it based on how it appears relative to my experience and what that experience appeared to suggest, further extended a little by Dale's insights and ultimately forms a hypothesis I am sure holds some limitations colored by me trying to understand it from a human perspective.

If Dale's story is true and I think it might be, there is higher dimensional knowledge being communicated.

It appears to me there is currently a vibrational difference between that place/realm and earth/realm.

In the interview he is asked all kinds of questions like how do they get here and interesting questions like that.

The Pleiades star cluster is at a distance of around 4 201 000 000 000 000 km from earth, which is equal to travelling around earth around 105 billion times, or turn and return to our moon around 5.5 billion times, or going around our sun around 1 billion times, or similar to around 9% towards the center of our galaxy.

PwYRpnebKHk

Fascinating premise. You are correct, its vibration, energy & consciousness
You know, even as a kid - although I've never had any 'experiences' of what you describe, I've had an intuitive knowing of how beings travel between worlds. I've read countless astronomy books & couldn't figure out why the 'experts' were (& still are) banging on about 'impossible distances' of space travel, therefore writing off ‘visitors’ to our planet as being fantasy hogwash.
As a kid, I knew they were wrong, along with the ‘nothing travels faster than the speed of light’ dogma that they still measure things by.
Now as an adult, I still see very little signs in mainstream science which would indicate a willingness to take a peep over the edge of their little boxes…..

[dynamo]

...
Fascinating premise. You are correct, its vibration, energy & consciousness
You know, even as a kid - although I've never had any 'experiences' of what you describe, I've had an intuitive knowing of how beings travel between worlds. I've read countless astronomy books & couldn't figure out why the 'experts' were (& still are) banging on about 'impossible distances' of space travel, therefore writing off ‘visitors’ to our planet as being fantasy hogwash.
As a kid, I knew they were wrong, along with the ‘nothing travels faster than the speed of light’ dogma that they still measure things by.
Now as an adult, I still see very little signs in mainstream science which would indicate a willingness to take a peep over the edge of their little boxes…..
Exactly...astral projection is free.
No need to build a "super vortex quantum encabulator spaceship" at a cost of $100 trillion dollars to travel at warp 25 to get to the andromeda galaxy when you can get their at the speed of thought in seconds...:sun:

[ghostrider]

The term Pleadian was floated by Ptaah and Edward Meier to openly expose hoaxers... they are called the plejaren...

[WhiteLove]

What is very interesting also, is that it appears that he is making his contact events similarly to how my experience was initiated - in an altered state in the dream state. It is simply a dream at sleep at night that just suddenly and unexpectedly turns totally different from all other dreams you've ever had.

Sounds like a neuroscience based VR PSYOP to me.

I mentioned you and your synthetic dream/astral experience discussions in the Elon Musk thread this morning. I may have asked this months ago, but I need to put it out there again (for me): Not all metaphysical experiences are synthetic, correct? Also, when we experience something in the dream, astral or other altered state, what are some clues to look for to determine whether it is synthetic or not?

When you are there and while you are there you are aware that you are also now living on earth, that is one indication. Another indication is that you experience the other realm more real because of a greater depth of emotion and you are aware of that too. Another indication is that you feel you are still yourself, that you in that awake state remind you of yourself in the awake state here on earth. Then finally if you encounter something like a consciousness expansion or something similar where you expand beyond your normal frame of reference as existing as a being inside of a human body, that's also a sign. And especially then if you can remember it all when you return. In my case I even knew I was somewhere else because I even asked God how I can get there on a more permanent basis. So that question alone indicated I definitely knew I was now conscious in a different realm besides earth but was not sure of how I got there and how you get there again... I somehow knew I would be going back to earth.

During a normal sleep, the combination of all of these factors taking place all at once is rare.

But if you have experienced something like this, when you wake up you will know. When I woke up from what I experienced, I was so incredibly excited about what I had experienced and that I could even remember it all, that I basically thought of it constantly for weeks. I mean I still think of it every day. It was a life changer beyond imagination because it was an experience beyond imagination.

Another thing that most definitely will make you realize you are somewhere else, is when your motions leave a small trail behind them - it's as if your moves leave a short echo and the reality appears more fluid like and you will notice how the whole vibe of the place is very different. For me the entrance was kind of dramatic and personal, since you wake up to who you really are, that aha moment and that moment of being so overwhelmed by finding out who you truly are and what you've gone through... and having that feeling fill you incredibly deeply, you will know that you are somewhere else, because the experience is so different. So true, so real and so authentic on the personal level.

One thing I learned from this experience was that while we are here on earth, we should consider being here as being on a very grand mission, that we are all very important and needed here and that this is actually something huge from the perspective of where we came from. It's a little like being on a rescue mission, but doing it to this extent in creation is something truly powerful we should be very proud of.

Do you know that feeling when you think should you go up to someone and tell you love that person?! Inside of you there is kind of this inner child that instinctly wants to because it would satisfy, but then there is also a lot of other mixed emotions and thoughts going through you that you don't feel good about, but again and again something inside you still desires you to contact that person, because you feel it would satisfy. The true self is not like that. It is incredibly confident of what to do and it throws itself at it at all costs. We are here to learn to become like that.

[Noelle]

What is very interesting also, is that it appears that he is making his contact events similarly to how my experience was initiated - in an altered state in the dream state. It is simply a dream at sleep at night that just suddenly and unexpectedly turns totally different from all other dreams you've ever had.

Sounds like a neuroscience based VR PSYOP to me.

I mentioned you and your synthetic dream/astral experience discussions in the Elon Musk thread this morning. I may have asked this months ago, but I need to put it out there again (for me): Not all metaphysical experiences are synthetic, correct? Also, when we experience something in the dream, astral or other altered state, what are some clues to look for to determine whether it is synthetic or not?

When you are there and while you are there you are aware that you are also now living on earth, that is one indication. Another indication is that you experience the other realm more real because of a greater depth of emotion and you are aware of that too. Another indication is that you feel you are still yourself, that you in that awake state remind you of yourself in the awake state here on earth. Then finally if you encounter something like a consciousness expansion or something similar where you expand beyond your normal frame of reference as existing as a being inside of a human body, that's also a sign. And especially then if you can remember it all when you return. In my case I even knew I was somewhere else because I even asked God how I can get there on a more permanent basis. So that question alone indicated I definitely knew I was now conscious in a different realm besides earth but was not sure of how I got there and how you get there again... I somehow knew I would be going back to earth.

During a normal sleep, the combination of all of these factors taking place all at once is rare.

But if you have experienced something like this, when you wake up you will know. When I woke up from what I experienced, I was so incredibly excited about what I had experienced and that I could even remember it all, that I basically thought of it constantly for weeks. I mean I still think of it every day. It was a life changer beyond imagination because it was an experience beyond imagination.

Thanks, WhiteLove. I understand what you're saying. I have woken from ultra-lucid dreams and returned from OBEs with those kinds of impressions.

[ghostrider]

The plejaren say, there are over 50 million people on earth that are not originally from here ... Most are of the old Lyrian lineage, some are from Vega , the others are from the destroyed planet Malona also known as Phateon , now it circles as the asteroid belt ...

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

... others are from the destroyed planet Malona also known as Phateon , now it circles as the asteroid belt ...

Quite possibly. Mostly I've heard this destroyed planet called Tiamat, based mostly on Zecharia Sitchin's hypothesis. Also heard it called Marduk.

I have also heard the theory (note: theory, and nothing more), that when this planet exploded the expanding shockwave stripped the atmosphere from Mars, which was orbiting at its apogee and close to Tiamet at the time. The destruction and desolation of Mars - that we see today - occurred in this event. The official Scientific/NASA view however, is that solar winds stripped the atmosphere away over time, probably billions of years ago, including the evaporation of all surface water.

[Foxie Loxie]

Is it John Brandenburg who claims remains of a nuclear explosion on Mars has been found? Will we EVER understand what our past was? :Angel:

[ghostrider]

... others are from the destroyed planet Malona also known as Phateon , now it circles as the asteroid belt ...

Quite possibly. Mostly I've heard this destroyed planet called Tiamat, based mostly on Zecharia Sitchin's hypothesis. Also heard it called Marduk.

I have also heard the theory (note: theory, and nothing more), that when this planet exploded the expanding shockwave stripped the atmosphere from Mars, which was orbiting at its apogee and close to Tiamet at the time. The destruction and desolation of Mars - that we see today - occurred in this event. The official Scientific/NASA view however, is that solar winds stripped the atmosphere away over time, probably billions of years ago, including the evaporation of all surface water. a galactic war involving three worlds spread to Malona, the scientists diverted sea water into the magma chambers of the volcanoes and the entire planet exploded ... the atmosphere collapse of Mars it is said was a cosmic catastrophe that was unavoidable, the survivors fled to earth ... it's said we will discover old technology there and restart it one day ...

[Inversion]

Dale said he doesn't know his blood type. He asked when he had major surgery and they told him they didn't test it which would have been a deception. He claims to have an extra vertebra and his body temperature is 95.4. Those are signs he has Rh-negative blood. Are the Pleiadians the source of that blood type? He's held top secret clearances with DOD and was employed by NASA. It must be common for them to work with hybrids, contactees & abductees.