Hormones

[TigaHawk]

How the hell do you controll them?


I've taken pride in the fact i've decided that i dont want to be like my parents when it comes to some things - and i notice if im doing that thing and remind myself of that.

but this does not work at all with hormones :|


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I have a slight hormone imbalance. a bit too much tesoterone. Not enough to make me grow facial hair or anything but enough to make me quite aggressive. IE its raining and we're going thru drive-thru - and the drive thru person asks us to park to the side and wait for the meal - i raise my voice in complaint against said person - well, i allmost yelled at them.


i dont do that normaly, but im normaly on the contraceptive pill purely for the extra estrogen. and to stop the extra estrogen from making me go from the complete oposite of aggressive (depressed for no reason) i take a light anti-depressant with it.


Because of my shift-work ive been knocked out of my daily routine which i had with the 9-5 job of getup, get ready, then go to the pc for my keys/bag etc and as part of that i'd take the meds. So its been about a month since ive been off them.


Recently my partner has questioned if i was ok - as he's noticed ive been getting more and more aggressive as of late. this all coencides with me forgetting/not taking the meds.


Now before i was checked out and put on the meds - i was all over the place. You have no idea how much it sucks getting extreamly angry over such minute things, then way down in the dumps depressed for no aparent reason at all.

I dont realy think theres much more i can say than that - you'd have to be around me in person when i'm on the meds and when im off - there is one hell of a difference, i notice it, and so does everyone around me.


After my partner mentioned it to me i got even more ****ty. I guess i thought i'd give it a go at just reminding myself this isnt what im realy feeling, and to calm down etc and the such like i was doing with my behaviour. but this just isnt working. And its upsetting knowing that my personality/behaviour can be messed around so much by something i appear to have no controll over whatsoever unless im on medication.

just trying to describe how im different, its kinda hard to lol. best way i can try to put it is i will think with my fists rather than my brain. and the fists are way to eager to think. When im medicate its the oposite.



So.



Does anyone have any imput, or ideas on this one? Is there any way i can try and manage this without medication? Idealy that would be great - but sadly im not beliveing that this will be possible :(

thanks...

[THIRDEYE]

tigihawk ty,for this post...i too suffer from an imbalance of all my hormones....i had graves disease,and my thyroid was producing to much thiroxidine,so i had an ablation done,they killed my tyroid with radioactive iodine....they are constantly changing my hormone meds no big deal i feel out of sorts at times .grt very tired and then i get wired to no end whenj you deal with hormones its a bad trip at times hang in there thank god you got your sanity intact,,cause some times i feel like i dont lol well love,light and abundance.....thirdeye...

[TigaHawk]

ohhh...

Is tiredness associated with hormones as well? I feel tired all the time!


and ouch :( Thyroid problems i thik may run in my family - my Gradma had thyroid problems :(


Out of interest Thirdeye - have you got any Orgone devices?

I was thinking of getting an orgone pendant which i could wear to go along with the SHHG i have in the house - it would be interesting to know if the body's EM field has any say in influencing you're hormones, or emotions?


At this point, im realy not willing to settle on the hormones rule me thing yet.

Just ive lost two jobs as ive been off the meds and have been a tad bit too agro.....


Its frustrating. (tho i think i'll be ok with the job now - I managed to get a Permnant position with government - so unless i steal something, swear at my manager or look up porn at work they pretty much cant fire me )



Do you find that a particular diet helps?

Anything at all that isnt medicated?

[BrianEn]

I take Prozac. I've been taking it on and off for 16 years now. I've tried coming off it a few times but always ended up in the funk again. I've been pretty steady on it for the last five years. Thing is that I hate it. I don't like having to take it, but as far as I know if I stop for an extended period of time I will end up back in the funk. Like you I am a completely different person when off the meds. I constantly complain, and I hate everything. People's patience with me literally disappears. I'm not an easy person to get a long with when I'm like that. I hope this helps. Not that I can tell you what to do, but more or less to say you're not the only one dealing with an imbalance.

[THIRDEYE]

tigahawk hormone controls your whole indocrine system.and beleive me when your numbers arent between the normal threshold you will feel tired i would definitely have it checked ...your regular doc can do the test...hang in there love light and abundance....thirdeye...

[MorningSong]

Tigahawk, I would think that there are valid natural alternatives that could help. The first ones that come to mind are Angelica, Primrose, Wild Yam and/or Yarrow. Basil is helpful for aggression.

Do try to get professional advice and guidance from a naturopath/homopath DR. with any alternative therapy.

[onawah]

I've been taking Royal Peruvian Maca for years now and it's great. I know a lot of other women in the alternative community who use it and swear by it.
I was diagnosed with a hypothyroid condition around the same time I was going through menopause. I started taking Maca at the same time i started taking Armour Thyroid. At my second 6 month checkup to have my levels tested, my doctor was amazed to see that the dose of Armour he had me on was too high. I told him about the Maca and he started recommending it to his other patients. I still take a very low dose of Armour, but I think if I just took more Maca, I could probably stop taking it altogether. I take a heaping tablespoon every morning in my smoothie.
There is a good article about Maca at:
http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/viana-muller-herbs.htm
I buy Maca at http://www.macaweb.com/
or vitacost.com
Good luck!

[Dale]

The endocrine system is highly complex; this is the arrangement of glands located throughout the body that release specific hormones into the bloodstream.

There are many, many different classifications of hormones; it becomes difficult determining which symptoms are related to which hormone, and what the complication may be. For example, the thyroid gland releases three hormones: T3, T4, and Calcitonin. Simply having a thyroid disorder could mean a great possibility of differing situations, such as an abundance of T3, not enough T4, etc.

Here (http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/hormones.html) is a link to Earth Clinic's website. A bit of good, holistic, remedies located about the page concerning hormone-related disorders.

[astrid]

Thanks for this thread. Hormones tend to interrelate also, which makes balancing them tricky if u are missing something. I have early menopause and im meant to be taking livial, (for estrogen and progesterone everyday), but i tend to forget consistently to take any medication, and i would prefer to not take meds at all.

These days im take mostly natural remedies. Im a big fan of the Omegas... i take Fish oil, Evening Primrose Oil and Flaxseed oil, exercise also can be invaluable, when i remember to do it, lol. But especially if you are feeling anger or aggressive. I do know someone in Aus who speacialises in natural hormonal therapies for women. She has a book, i know her personally -she was from my home town. I will look up the details for you and update this post shortly...

Okies her name is Jenny Birdsey, attached is the PDF of her story... quite a read.
She now helps women all over the world.
Her web site is here...
http://www.npan.com.au/

You can contact her for advice too...

[norman]

I've had a lot of unbalanced experiences over the years including anxiety and severe depression. The depression seems to be the one that doesn't respond to my own otherwise proven remedy for my unbalanced episodes. I find that getting a lot of sleep seems to put me right from most ills. It plays hell with my plans for doing things but it works. I've been known to spend entire weekends in bed and be good to go again.

[onawah]

BTW, Maca is good not just for the thyroid, but for the entire endocrine system, which it balances and rejuvenates. It has been used in Peru (it grows wild in the Andes) for generations, and the women there have few problems with menopause symptoms. It also acts as a kind of natural Viagra for men.
Lots of good info at
http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles...ller-herbs.htm

[Banshee]

[QUOTE=TigaHawk;85390]How the hell do you controll them.......................I have a slight hormone imbalance. a bit too much tesoterone. Not enough to make me grow facial hair or anything but enough to make me quite aggressive. IE its raining and we're going thru drive-thru - and the drive thru person asks us to park to the side and wait for the meal - i raise my voice in complaint against said person - well, i allmost yelled at them.QUOTE]

I am 45 year old female. Most people guess me to be about 30-35.

This was not the case until I gave up social poisons on every level (save one)- including fast and convenience foods. I was peri menopausal until I changed my routine. Now things are completely balanced. Menses has returned to a routine of 28 days and I am completely balanced.

You are being poisoned by your diet. If you give up the fast food, incorporate macrobiotic foods and a natural home made organic diet, you will no doubt see an immediate result. This of course, requires a fair amount of labor, but is well worth it.

I would recommend that you add the following to your diet post haste:

* Honey
* Garlic
* Apple cider vinegar
* A non gmo phyto-estrogen ( generally soy based)
* Fatty fish
* An average if 1 lb. of fresh leafy greens per day
* Whole grains
* Nutritional yeast

Elimate processed white sugar, white flour, ALL fast food, ALL prepackaged convenience foods and by all means absolutely no artificial sweetners. Avoid municipal water (hormones delivered via flushed contraceptives).

and....visualize yourself the way you want to be. That is the biggest trick.

Hope this helps!

[Galaxy]

i have been diagnosed with anxiety, severe depression, ptsd. At one point i think it rounded to 15 different illnesses but none really stuck. I feel like my mind can alter much for some odd reason. I have found that the best way to deal with mental problems is to face them. I feel that anything that may pain you is a problem. Most problems, including those mentioned or diagnosed by others are not always evident or reality. If something effects you personally...in your mind, even when you are alone, That is a true problem. Problems occuring only when someone tells you they are happening i feel to be false. Problems in yourself deserve a change of mind, all other problems can be solved by change of location.

[astrid]

i have been diagnosed with anxiety, severe depression, ptsd. At one point i think it rounded to 15 different illnesses but none really stuck. I feel like my mind can alter much for some odd reason. I have found that the best way to deal with mental problems is to face them. I feel that anything that may pain you is a problem. Most problems, including those mentioned or diagnosed by others are not always evident or reality. If something effects you personally...in your mind, even when you are alone, That is a true problem. Problems occuring only when someone tells you they are happening i feel to be false. Problems in yourself deserve a change of mind, all other problems can be solved by change of location.

Hormonal imbalances are usually a black and white thing, in that u can get this tested and see that u have low levels , which match your symptoms..
Example of this.... I have a fantastic Doctor who works in mind/body medicine, BUT he still runs blood tests first.
When i first went to him, he ran some basic tests, ( i was feeling very crappy and depressed at the time), it came back that i had very low estrogen.
I went back on my normal treatment, (supplemented with some omeagas) and my symptoms lifted.

I think you are talking about the placebo effect , which is VERY REAL and also very important in the bodies healing process.
There is a doco on this... WELL WORTH A LOOK...that changed my path on health dramatically, it led me to ask the question, what is fixed and what can we change with our own minds??

I will post it in another thread as its a bit off topic....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10027-Important-Documentary-Placebo-cracking-the-code

[Galaxy]

i havnt experienced what your going through. At least the medicine is working.

[Zillah]

For many years I struggled with a low progesterone count and MACA was a staple in my program (it was wonderful to see that it was already mentioned in the thread). I would take a tablespoon or two a day, usually in a green smoothie or just in water.

I also took a therapeutic dose of Magnesium tea every day, as its said that women with high estrogen usually have a deficiency in magnesium, zinc and b vitamins.

Kombucha tea has also been a vital component in my regime. Herbalists refer to Kombucha an adaptogen because of its ability to balance endocrine hormones and the immune system. Adaptogens help the body stay balanced by either toning down the activity of hyperfunctioning systems or strengthening the activity of hypofunctioning systems. Kombucha also contains B2, B3, B6, B12.

I was also instructed by my Chinese herbalist, Naturopath and Homeopath (all different practitioners) to stay away from soy. I know there is an endless debate on whether or not soy is good/bad for you - but from my own research and advice I have been told that it is a natural thyroid suppressor - so I made the conscious choice to remove it from my diet.

Lastly, I eat Alkaline, which technically means throughout the day I ingest 80% alkaline forming foods (raw/ green veggies, low glycemic fruits, low gluten grains, etc) and 20% acid forming foods (meat, dairy [yoghurt/kiefer excluded], high sugar anything, over-cooked foods, etc). High levels of diet induced acidosis can alter the hormonal communication environment in your body. Wollheim Wiederkehr, Ph.D., published a study in 2001 demonstrating that metabolic acidosis results in decreased levels of hormones like testosterone, growth hormone and IGF-1 that assist in building healthy tissue and increase the circulating amounts of hormones like cortisol, that assist in the breakdown of tissues and can play a role in the onset of many metabolic diseases like diabetes and Syndrome X.

Hormones can be a tricky one - I have been working on mine since I was 14 years old - and I am now sitting here at 29 finally with a grasp on something that gave me so much trouble for so long. There is hope - and its realistic :) Just keep sending out the intent to be well and with the tools in this thread I believe you will be.

Blessings.

[Galaxy]

i dont know much about medicine. I really dont take it and i have probably only been sick 4 times in the past 10 years.

[Banshee]

I failed to add something to my post about hormones and diet.

If you are living in a country that allows the use of RBGH or RBST in meat and dairy and you consume it, it is very likely that your imbalances could be caused by this synthetic growth hormone.

[Agape]

I would recommend you to try vegetarian diet for couple of months together and see if you start feeling easier with yourself,
with or without hormonal supplements . You're still young and supple , there may be plenty of hereditary dispositions for imbalance coming down from your family but can be well balanced by yourself.

I would tell the same to many others in our culture fighting with their digestive and endocrinous systems if only they would listen,

as far as agressivity is concerned , 90 % of autonomous agressivity in our cultures is tied to meat eating, not only ours but whole generations of our ancestors.

Ask fighters, muscle builders , sportsmen and aggressive politicians what do they base their diets on , it's mostly high protein diet ,
with 'fresh meat' for the best results containing high levels of animal hormones in itself.

Whereas small quantities can be beneficial in certain specific cases and conditions ,

everyday intake of the same in such massive amounts is often far over the edge of what human organism is ready to proceed.

Not only that our digestive systems and glands are easily affected and thrown out of balance but also
we start feeling different ,
develop range of moods and reactions not fitting to our natural behavioral patterns.

It can be of course , challenge for timebeing suppose you still live with others who are convinced meat eaters and , they often even do not observe they are aggressive or inducing such reactions in others .


The opposite of such hormonal peaks is 'depression' , it again goes back to animal kingdom and the way animal needs to pray for food ,
if your organism acquires similar habits and can't get it's daily dose , it tries to convince you that all is wrong .

I've been vegetarian from my teens , strictly from when I was 19 and went to India for the first time.

Compared to previous experience and what I later observed with many of my friends as well
it's much easier to take yourself and your body under control if you don't eat any meat products whatsoever.

The only problem is that you still need to eat enough and well to offer your body the nutrition it needs and wait some time till it changes 'its opinion on life'


I will return to the posting bit later

running out of batteries ..


Good luck :hug:

[Kari Lynn]

much of what you've described tigahawk, is what I've went through every day of my life, since age 9. (started womanhood early)
I had to stay off high salt, and pork products.

And as I got older, I noticed it was high sugar products also, and especially.
I feel my best when I stay away from high gluten, and processed foods. Otherwords.......vegetarian, and fruit mostly. Very little breads, cheeses, and meats. Just enough to keep from excess hunger is all. (but you know how hard it is to stick to a diet. I fall off the wagon more times than on it. lol)

Amazing talk about the horomone additives in our meats now days. As when I had surgery back in '08. The only meat that I could eat was a roast of leg, from a deer my brother had gotten the year before. All other meats made me nauseous. Makes me wonder if that has anything to do with horomes too?

If you (or anyone else) has medically diagnosed thyroid problems though, do take care of it medically and keep track of it. It can cause MANY health problems, and early death from heart diseases.

[onetruth]

You are being poisoned by your diet. If you give up the fast food, incorporate macrobiotic foods and a natural home made organic diet, you will no doubt see an immediate result. This of course, requires a fair amount of labor, but is well worth it. . . . . .


Elimate processed white sugar, white flour, ALL fast food, ALL prepackaged convenience foods and by all means absolutely no artificial sweetners. Avoid municipal water (hormones delivered via flushed contraceptives).

and....visualize yourself the way you want to be. That is the biggest trick.

Hope this helps!

I couldn't agree more - although some find it suits them to make the changes gradually. Macrobiotics (http://www.cybermacro.com/forum/archive/index.php) helps identifies how foods that make us ill - yet nothing is banned or forbidden - you choose all the way down the line, although it is recommended that you eat additive free whole foods. So it is applicable if you are a vegetarian or not, or along side any other dietary approach.

The guy who assimilated this method of understanding how extreme foods can unbalance our energies was a chemist called George Ohsawa (http://www.zenmacrobiotics.com/). He cured himself of tuberculosis after most of his family had died from it, using a traditional japanese diet. Then he studied the chemistry of what he had eaten to find out why. Soon people were queueing out side his house for his advice and getting cured. What he told them was this:

Eating the traditional diet from your country, that which grows in your environment will balance you and make you well again. (Trust mother nature!) (Or at least what grows in a similar climate to your own). He also recommended a natural lifestyle and a sense of gratitude.

He recommended a traditional grain based died after he identified that grains had close to the same potassium/ sodium ratio to human blood and breast milk and that people from every country historically had a grain for their staple food. Other foods (meat vegs fish beans condiments fruit and so on) were used as an accompaniment to the central staple grain.

The Ohsawas sold their most valuable possessions (jewelry and antique musical instruments) to send one of their best pupils, Michio Kushi, to the USA to teach people how to avoid getting made sick by their food. It took a long time because people found it quite obscure as he recommended lots of japanese condiments and ingredients. Whilst they do make the basic grains and beans tasty and varied they are not necessary.

He persevered and eventually stories of people recovering from many different diseases emerged. Because the documented cases were usually recoveries from cancer, he was invited to address the senate (http://kushipublishing.com/michio/congress_1999/) on this subject in 1999.

Many people found the unfamiliarity of the ingredients off putting, and also unfamiliar was the way the macrobiotic teachers used eastern terms such as yin and yang (http://macrobiotics.co.uk/yin.htm) when explaining how balance can be achieved. However people with illnesses such as cancer were motivated to overcome this, due to the seriousness of their condition. Of course using yin an yang to describe food energetics is also fundamental to chinese food medicine and herbs.

The principles of achieving health through balance are true for every condition including depression and hormonal imbalance.


"However, it is important to note that if you do choose to adopt a macrobiotic approach to healing yourself of depression, and if you are taking these very powerful and toxic medications, that you do not simply stop these medications cold turkey. It is easier on you and your body if you start your macrobiotic dietary practice and only after four months do you start considering weaning your body off the medication. "
The Alchemycal Pages (http://www.alchemycalpages.com/depression.html)
And I must also add only do this in consultation with your doctor or qualified practitoner

[Celine]

I must agrre with changing the diet and adding more excersize.

But please do NOT stop taking meds without talking to your doctor first.

I am Bi- Polar

I take lithium as well as ativan for sleeping ..

in the last 20 years i have been on and off meds a few times.

I have not had a good nights sleep in ages...until i finaly agreed to take the ativan...amazing what a good nights sleep will do.

i am NOT the same person , when i am off the meds...

and i dont like being medicated...

Yes yes , i know i am more "managable"

i know i am less destructive etc...

but

my perception of the world is just not the same..

and the "tickle" that used to be part of every emotion i feel... is gone.

My new years resolution is to try to find ways to wean myself off the meds and find other habits that will support a healthier lifestyle.

[Agape]

Wish I had any good advice for you dear Ceiline ,

you're such a beautiful Being.

Sometimes, complete change of environment is needed to 'find your true self' again.

For any and all of the hormonal imbalances, yoga is recommended , as a holistic science, including diet, including ethical and emotional hygiene,
it can't be just one or two exercises to change it all .

It depends on you..what is the most precious thing for you to find in life. And I'm saying firstly, it should be your old good self . The one that is pure like child, full of curiosity, not troubled by hard times too much and not hunting for perfection either.
The one who loves and is loved because that's how it should be.



How much does it all cost ? Sometimes a lot, giving up on all those people who are not honest with us and finding those for whom we are approvable ,
even with our moods and mistakes.



I don't know if this rings the bells with you but knowing how to start anew in life is always important .

Times are changing if we can change those times



:hug:

[greybeard]

I must agrre with changing the diet and adding more excersize.

But please do NOT stop taking meds without talking to your doctor first.

I am Bi- Polar

I take lithium as well as ativan for sleeping ..

in the last 20 years i have been on and off meds a few times.

I have not had a good nights sleep in ages...until i finaly agreed to take the ativan...amazing what a good nights sleep will do.

i am NOT the same person , when i am off the meds...

and i dont like being medicated...

Yes yes , i know i am more "managable"

i know i am less destructive etc...

but

my perception of the world is just not the same..

and the "tickle" that used to be part of every emotion i feel... is gone.

My new years resolution is to try to find ways to wean myself off the meds and find other habits that will support a healthier lifestyle.

Dear Celine try a herbal medicine that will produce serotonin, a large % of people are short of it. The brain needs it for a person to be balanced in mood and emotion.
Found naturally in the seeds of the West African Griffonia Simplicifolia Tree.
Much Love Chris

[Celine]

Wish I had any good advice for you dear Ceiline ,

you're such a beautiful Being.

Sometimes, complete change of environment is needed to 'find your true self' again.

For any and all of the hormonal imbalances, yoga is recommended , as a holistic science, including diet, including ethical and emotional hygiene,
it can't be just one or two exercises to change it all .

It depends on you..what is the most precious thing for you to find in life. And I'm saying firstly, it should be your old good self . The one that is pure like child, full of curiosity, not troubled by hard times too much and not hunting for perfection either.
The one who loves and is loved because that's how it should be.



How much does it all cost ? Sometimes a lot, giving up on all those people who are not honest with us and finding those for whom we are approvable ,
even with our moods and mistakes.



I don't know if this rings the bells with you but knowing how to start anew in life is always important .

Times are changing if we can change those times



:hug:

Valued advice. Thank you dear Eva heart.

Yoga would be a good place to start


Dear Celine try a herbal medicine that will produce serotonin, a large % of people are short of it. The brain needs it for a person to be balanced in mood and emotion.
Found naturally in the seeds of the West African Griffonia Simplicifolia Tree.
Much Love Chris

i am wary of natural suppliments...as the consequence of them being ineffective are high..but i will read up on it, thank you chris

[Kari Lynn]

Thanks Greybeard, will check that out myself too.

Also walking, and excersize produce seratonin naturally. I'd say dark chocolate too, but then you have the sugar.

[Banshee]

TigaHawk,

This will resonate with your experience at the drive thru - can't vouch for the bad writing - that was compliments of the AP :)

By: Associated Press
SANDUSKY, Ohio - Police say a dispute over the freshness of french fries got heated at a McDonald's in northern Ohio.

Authorities say a customer refused fries waiting Sunday night in their serving pouches at the restaurant near Sandusky. The manager insisted the fries were fresh.

Robert A. Quillen, 45, of Sandusky, began arguing with employees after receiving fries that he insisted were not fresh.
Police say they were called when the customer said he wouldn't leave until he got different fries. He told officers a McDonald's employee struck him with a mop.

The Sandusky Register reports that a witness said the worker acted only as though he was going to hit the man and said the customer called the employee a derogatory name.

No charges were filed. Police say the man got his money back and left without fries.

[Arrowwind]

Celine,

I am sure you are doing the best you can for your condition. Most people do not realize how serious bipolar can be and if you are on a steady keel I would not change a thing.. It is interesting that you are on lithium.. Many doctors do not prescibe that anymore.. Make sure your B vitamins are up to snuff.

Seratonin, much of it is produced in the gut and most people don't know that. Resorting health to the gut can work wonders for many people with a psych diagnosis... hence you hear reports that some people get better on vitamins and raw foods. B vitamins assist in producing seratonin. You may be interested to know that some patients with irritable bowel disorder take paxil not just for the depression that usually goes along with it but it will help to regulate the bowel too. Seratonin plays a bigger part then we are lead to believe. Much of our good or bad health originates in the gut.