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rgray222
15th October 2017, 15:08
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Empaths are very special people and they are unique from everyone else in a variety of different ways. Although they don’t talk about it much, they are highly sensitive people. If you are close to an empath you need to know these things. If you are an empath you can protect your strength and energy by knowing these traits.
Empaths are unique in a lot of different ways. They are extremely sensitive to human energy and emotions. They tend to absorb other people’s emotions and energy, and that can be a very negative thing – if they’re around negative people. Although it may be uncommon for an empath to even share their gift with others. If you have an empathic loved one you have to be a little cautious. Empaths will always be there for you when you need someone, even if you don’t ask for it. They are able to automatically sense when something is wrong because they can literally feel it. However they are excellent at being there for their friends, they often struggle with tending to their own health. They aren’t as likely to talk about their own feelings even though they consistently ask you about yours.
If you have a loved one that is an empath you have to be extra attentive to their behavior. You have to pay attention because it is likely that they won’t come to you for help with their problems. They’re actually very good at hiding it. In fact, every empath has the following traits and they tend to try and hide them from you.
Source (http://awarenessact.com/every-empath-will-try-to-hide-these-11-things-from-you/)
Empaths Will Always Try To Hide These Traits From You
1. Their Sensitivity
An empath is a natural born healer and they feel as if they have to look strong for the people around them. Empaths hate being an inconvenience on other people in any possible way, thus they hide their emotions. They most of all hide that they are extremely hypersensitive.
2. They Absorb Others Emotions
You might not notice it, but when you are having a down day they are too. This is because they absorb the emotions of other people and they can literally feel other people’s pain to some degree. However, you’ll scarcely hear an empath talk about this. They don’t want to appear crazy, as modern day society would label them as.
3. They’re Introverted
Empaths really value alone time. They are so sensitive to the energies of other people that the only calm state they can get is when they are alone. They don’t want to appear rude so they are commonly extroverted introverts, or an introvert that partakes in extrovert activities.
4. They Become Replenished in Nature
If you think that you have a friend that is an empath, you might take note that they love to be outside. They often take any chance they can get to go on some kind of nature walk. They do this because nature replenishes them of positive energy!
5. They’re Human Lie Detectors
An empath has many different abilities when it comes to reading other people. They can easily see through a mask, revealing someone’s true intentions. They are excellent at detecting a lie. If they catch you in a lie they might not even say anything about it. They’ll just always remember it.
6. They Give Too Much Sometimes
Like I said before, empaths are natural born healers. They have a natural urge to help other people. They very easily put themselves aside too much and this can cause a lot of emotional trauma for them. If they ignore their own feelings for too long they will all build up an overflow eventually. Watch out for them to be doing a little too much for other people. You might want to warn them of it.
7. They Seem To Be Targets For Negative People
Empaths do not tend to talk about themselves, but they are well aware of the fact that they are big red targets for negative people. Negative people such as manipulators are attracted to empaths because they are so forgiving and understanding. They absorb all of your positivity and replace it with negativity. They are always terrified of the next person who plans to make a target out of them.
8. They’re Highly Intuitive
Empaths are in tune with their intuitive connectedness, and they are able to make very important decisions based on just their gut. They know how to tune in and really feel what the universe is trying to tell them. They pick up on more things than you’d think.
9. They’re Easily Stressed
Empaths tend to feel common emotions intensified and they are very easily overwhelmed and stressed. If they are trying to tackle too many tasks at one time it can be extremely overwhelming to them. It might even take a toll on their health.
10. They’re Easily Taken Advantage of
Not trying to imply that empaths are weak because they are very strong. However, they are extremely understanding and have an extreme value of any human soul. They can see the sunshine in any kind of storm. This makes them easily taken advantage of by strong manipulators because they know just the right strings to pull.
11. They Love Deeply
Empaths are extremely loving people. They care about their loved ones and society as a whole with a true passion. When an empath loves they tend to love very deeply. They have a deeply rooted appreciation for all of the people in their lives. they are the most loyal lovers and are some of the best friends you could ever ask for!
Source (http://awarenessact.com/every-empath-will-try-to-hide-these-11-things-from-you/)
justntime2learn
15th October 2017, 16:52
Bless you for this post rgray222 !
My wife swears I'm clairvoyant, but I've always held the belief that I'm empathic. For me this post is spot-on!
I left her on the couch to come into the backyard and write this so she doesn't see me crying. She'll be concerned something's wrong when all it is was a discovery of something I've known and felt for a very long time.
I was just telling Wind how lucky I was to be able to walk out of my front door everyday then walk in nature for as many miles as I can which is usually 6 to 15 miles a day.
We seem to be targets for those with cluster B personality disorders.
Many blessings all
mojo
15th October 2017, 19:14
Agreed about having an OP about a subject that a large percentage of people would say they have this ability yet we never really discuss it to gain a better understanding probably because its in the paranormal field. What do suppose the number of forum members would say if they have this or not?
PS: number 12: Some of them dont tell others...:)
Mike Gorman
16th October 2017, 00:41
This is very familiar to me, I have taken the Myers/Briggs personality test many times and it reveals that I am an INFJ type. I can't say that I absolutely accept the findings of this type of 'navel gazing', it can become something of an indulgence; however I believe it offers us some valuable clues as to why people vary so much out there!
We are each unique blends, and mixtures of traits - it also depends on what parts of yourself you choose to develop and refine.
Bill Ryan
16th October 2017, 01:10
This is very familiar to me, I have taken the Myers/Briggs personality test many times and it reveals that I am an INFJ type.
A fascinating aside: INFJs and INFPs are the rarest types in the population, but the most common on the Avalon Forum.
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RunningDeer
16th October 2017, 02:09
This is very familiar to me, I have taken the Myers/Briggs personality test many times and it reveals that I am an INFJ type.
Me too, Mike.
A fascinating aside: INFJs and INFPs are the rarest types in the population, but the most common on the Avalon Forum.
102 Avalonians participated in the thread, “Free Personality Test and Type Descriptions (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58489-Free-Personality-Test-and-Type-Descriptions&p=665299&viewfull=1#post665299)”. 24% are INFJs and 33% are INFPs. 76% are Idealists.
INFJ = less than 2% of the total population
INFP = less than 5% of the total population
76% are Idealists.
23% are Rationalists.
3% are Guardians.
0% are Artisans.
Idealists:
INFJ (http://www.16personalities.com/INFJ-personality) - 24; 24%
INFP (http://www.16personalities.com/INFP-personality) - 33; 33%
ENFJ (http://www.16personalities.com/ENFJ-personality) - 6; 6%
ENFP (http://www.16personalities.com/ENFP-personality) - 13; 13%
Rationals:
ENTP (http://www.16personalities.com/ENTP-personality) -
2; 2%
ENTJ (http://www.16personalities.com/ENTJ-personality) - 2; 2%
INTP (http://www.16personalities.com/INTP-personality) - 7; 7%
INTJ (http://www.16personalities.com/intj-personality) -
12; 12%
Guardians:
ISTJ -
ISFJ -
ESTJ (http://www.16personalities.com/ESTJ-personality) - 3; 3%
ESFJ -
Artisans:
ISTP -
ISFP -
ESTP -
ESFP -
Personality traits:
Extraverted (E) - Expressive, outgoing, prefer group activities, eager to speak their minds, more comfortable when around other people than when alone, get energized by social interaction
Introverted (I) - Reserved, listen carefully, prefer solitary activities, more comfortable when alone than when around other people, get exhausted by social interaction
Intuitive (N) - Introspective, rely on their imagination, absorbed in ideas, focus on what might happen
Sensing (S) - Observant, rely on their senses, absorbed in practical matters, focus on what has happened
Thinking (T) - Tough, follow their minds, suppress feelings, focus on objectivity and rationality
Feeling (F) - Sensitive, follow their hearts, keep feelings close to the surface, focus on harmony and cooperation
Judging (J) - Decisive, prefer clear rules and guidelines, eager to commit, see deadlines as sacred, seek closure
Perceiving (P) - Probing, prefer keeping their options open, reluctant to commit, relaxed about their work, seek freedom
http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Empower/personality_types.jpg
Craig
16th October 2017, 02:30
Awesome post!!
Franny
16th October 2017, 04:15
Interesting OP, much to relate to. Thanks for posting it.
I'm INFP it seems.
avid
16th October 2017, 05:09
INFJ-T ! Fascinating, thanks for resourcing this 👌👍
7alon
16th October 2017, 06:45
This is very familiar to me, I have taken the Myers/Briggs personality test many times and it reveals that I am an INFJ type.
Me, too, Mike.
A fascinating aside: INFJs and INFPs are the rarest types in the population, but the most common on the Avalon Forum.
102 Avalonians participated in the thread, “Free Personality Test and Type Descriptions (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58489-Free-Personality-Test-and-Type-Descriptions&p=665299&viewfull=1#post665299)”. 24% are INFJs and 33% are INFPs. 76% are Idealists.
76% are Idealists.
23% are Rationalists.
3% are Guardians.
0% are Artisans.
Idealists:
INFJ (http://www.16personalities.com/INFJ-personality) - 24; 24%
INFP (http://www.16personalities.com/INFP-personality) - 33; 33%
ENFJ (http://www.16personalities.com/ENFJ-personality) - 6; 6%
ENFP (http://www.16personalities.com/ENFP-personality) - 13; 13%
Rationals:
ENTP (http://www.16personalities.com/ENTP-personality) -
2; 2%
ENTJ (http://www.16personalities.com/ENTJ-personality) - 2; 2%
INTP (http://www.16personalities.com/INTP-personality) - 7; 7%
INTJ (http://www.16personalities.com/intj-personality) -
12; 12%
Guardians:
ISTJ -
ISFJ -
ESTJ (http://www.16personalities.com/ESTJ-personality) - 3; 3%
ESFJ -
Artisans:
ISTP -
ISFP -
ESTP -
ESFP -
Personality traits:
Extraverted (E) - Expressive, outgoing, prefer group activities, eager to speak their minds, more comfortable when around other people than when alone, get energized by social interaction
Introverted (I) - Reserved, listen carefully, prefer solitary activities, more comfortable when alone than when around other people, get exhausted by social interaction
Intuitive (N) - Introspective, rely on their imagination, absorbed in ideas, focus on what might happen
Sensing (S) - Observant, rely on their senses, absorbed in practical matters, focus on what has happened
Thinking (T) - Tough, follow their minds, suppress feelings, focus on objectivity and rationality
Feeling (F) - Sensitive, follow their hearts, keep feelings close to the surface, focus on harmony and cooperation
Judging (J) - Decisive, prefer clear rules and guidelines, eager to commit, see deadlines as sacred, seek closure
Perceiving (P) - Probing, prefer keeping their options open, reluctant to commit, relaxed about their work, seek freedom
http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Empower/personality_types.jpg
103 now :). ENFJ-A here. Dunno what that means, (the A part). Gonna have to go read it now.
When I was sick, and less awake, I was INTJ. I am now more in tune with myself spiritually.
Also, in relation to this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93581-I-m-an-empath-ask-me-anything-
PM me or address me in this thread or the other if you are interested in asking me anything. I am willing to share what I know and feel to be true. Decide for yourselves, though.
Update: Oh the A means Assertive :idea: Didn't finish looking at it all :ROFL:
Ewan
16th October 2017, 12:21
Another INFP-A here.
I was rather surprised about the A as I don't consider myself assertive, but on reflection I think it is more to do with not taking 'crap' and standing for truth. Something else I find interesting is the ease with which I can slip into the extrovert role when the opportunity arises naturally in a social setting, whereas if I have to be extroverted, eg public speaking, I'm a bag of nerves leaking sweat.
RunningDeer
16th October 2017, 12:47
Another INFP-A here.
I was rather surprised about the A as I don't consider myself assertive, but on reflection I think it is more to do with not taking 'crap' and standing for truth. Something else I find interesting is the ease with which I can slip into the extrovert role when the opportunity arises naturally in a social setting, whereas if I have to be extroverted, eg public speaking, I'm a bag of nerves leaking sweat.
Quote about identity, i.e. assertive: underpins all others, how confident we are in our abilities and decisions.
They’ve replaced the test from three years ago, and a new category was added. I was an INFJ, and now I’m an INFJ-A. (Identity = 64% assertive)
One interesting note for me is that the percentages have changed significantly in 3 out of the 4 areas. I attribute it to an upgrade in skills, perceptions and approach to life in general.
justntime2learn
16th October 2017, 14:25
I received an ENFJ-A ... Thought I was more introverted, but we don't always see ourselves as others do ...
Looking further I found this: Extraverted – 64%, Intuitive – 73%, Feeling – 86%, Judging – 63%, Assertive – 60%
Role: Diplomat
Strategy: People Mastery
Great Post!
Ewan
16th October 2017, 14:57
Quote about identity, i.e. assertive: underpins all others, how confident we are in our abilities and decisions.
So basically, the more 3's you choose the more assertive you are...
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Ok, can confirm that. Just did the test again forcing myself to choose only 3's, no ambiguity or neutrality in any answer. Still came out INFP but all percentages were higher and the A part was 92% Assertive 8% Turbulent
wondering
16th October 2017, 16:57
I very much relate to the description of empath, and have for many years. Is anyone aware of how this has impacted their health, if at all? For me, situations that are triggering for empathy also raise my blood pressure, for example. At 74 I still have not been able to “calm” my body’s reactivity to stress to the extent I would like to. I do monitor caffeine and sugar. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Diane
Joe Akulis
16th October 2017, 17:13
Number 6 brings up something that constantly annoys me about the STO/STS new-age theme that I constantly see people talking about.
"6. They Give Too Much Sometimes
Like I said before, empaths are natural born healers. They have a natural urge to help other people. They very easily put themselves aside too much and this can cause a lot of emotional trauma for them. If they ignore their own feelings for too long they will all build up an overflow eventually. Watch out for them to be doing a little too much for other people. You might want to warn them of it."
I know when situations in life call for me to make a sacrifice for someone else, and I can make a decision like that with ease, and no regrets.
But I wish more people would realize that "Service To Others" does not imply complete self-denial. If so, then I have no interest in "ascending." :-)
Much love to all on this thread,
Joe
Joe Akulis
16th October 2017, 17:23
I very much relate to the description of empath, and have for many years. Is anyone aware of how this has impacted their health, if at all? For me, situations that are triggering for empathy also raise my blood pressure, for example. At 74 I still have not been able to “calm” my body’s reactivity to stress to the extent I would like to. I do monitor caffeine and sugar. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Diane
Yes, for me it usually translates into added stress. Breathing is one of the main ways I try to dissolve it. The other technique that I've had to work at over the years is detachment.
It may sound contrary to what empathy is, but if I didn't learn to intentionally not care so much about something or someone, it would impact my health more than it does. It's not to say that I'm choosing to love someone less. It's more like laying out conditions for yourself to determine when empathy is warranted and when it's not. You probably already know when no amount of kindness will change a person's mood. That's when it's time to wall off whatever effect they are having on you inside.
The same way we have to learn to see our ego at work and keep it on a leash, I've had to do the same with this instinct called empathy. My martyrdom has its limits. lol
wondering
16th October 2017, 17:59
Thanks, Joe I remember as a young child needing to care for my mother, since she had no one else to take care of her, or so it seemed. I agree that putting ourselves first is truly our first responsibility, although that’s not exactly what you said. If we aren’t there isn’t going to be anything to give, at least not in a healthy way.
I agree the breathing is really important - I keep “intending” to go to a Yoga class, but I notice I haven’t gotten there yet! LOL
DNA
16th October 2017, 18:45
I'll add a caveat to this list.
Empaths are targets for ghosts as well.
I have two paths I've noted in my life that have led me to have interactions with ghosts.
The first path was being an empath. I could sense ghosts when they were around, and ghosts knew I could sense them, so this gave them a way of gaining my attention and thus my energy.
Where your attention goes, so to does your energy.
As such empaths are often haunted people.
I'm not sure if the writer of the initial post by the OP would be interested in this information but there it is.
Limor Wolf
16th October 2017, 18:59
Thank you for this topic! An awareness came in this afternoon that I would like to share. It is quite straightforward..
Through our bodies and consciousness there are many distractor implants that operate for the benefit of the system. By 'system' I refer to the interdenominational one overlaying most of humanity's original essence for millennia. Even though our emphatic tendencies ('abilities') are considered 'good', being an 'empath' is a type of a program on Earth (as the virtual-simulation/AI version overlayed over the original) and literally means taking attachments unto you.. that allows all interdenominational 'celebration' that happens for millennia to run smoothly as a jumping 'network' from one to another.
Humanity's true essence as spirit has no value in emotions and feelings as they are experienced today (heightened for the benefit of being a food extract) and it's movement is more harmonious and neutral in it's flow as consciousness and awareness. It holds unattached, unconditional love.
Distractor implants are removable - they refer to all areas of our life like- shame and guilt and anger and love and are not differentiating between what may be considered as 'good' and 'bad' which are both bound to the law of polarity and duality, as a point of entrapment.
Will I divorce the empath program and not identify with it anymore? It makes sense to me.
I hereby revoke, rebuke, remove, denounce, renounce, destroy, uncreate, declare null & void any and all agreements and agreement of entrapment, spiritual contracts and consents to do with 'empatic' tendencies being the conveyer for dimensional systems that attempts to breach my sovereignty in truth and essence of who I am. Let it be known - I do not consent. This is void on all levels and dimensions, all space and time, in all that is related to my essence inside the worlds of illusions..
I do not consent for humanity not being told about the layers of realities presented to it, and being prevented by gross deception from exercising it's free will in it's truest aspect and through choice .
https://carlottacadoniblog.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/how-empathy-can-be-just-as-disruptive-to-banks-as-technology-810x540.jpg?w=150
This is the LAW, and I am the Law, and so it is ~
Many Blessings,
Limor
Ben
16th October 2017, 23:14
Fascinating indeed.
Apparently i'm an ENFP, which accounts for 3-4% of the population (according to Psychologist David Kiersey). It does seem to chime very accurately with my own perception of myself.
Although I think there is a great deal to be learned about oneself, with regards to life choices, relationships, self acceptence, I do also have a natural trigger around all forms of labelling.
Labelling, to me, almost always has the negative effect of alienation and seperation, as well as the positive aspects of inclusiveness and community. Hmmm...
Limor, I absolutely love your post, and the strength, courage and integrity that shines through from your words. What you say reasonates with me deeply.
Thank you :star:
Mike Gorman
17th October 2017, 00:03
I'll add a caveat to this list.
Empaths are targets for ghosts as well.
I have two paths I've noted in my life that have led me to have interactions with ghosts.
The first path was being an empath. I could sense ghosts when they were around, and ghosts knew I could sense them, so this gave them a way of gaining my attention and thus my energy.
Where your attention goes, so to does your energy.
As such empaths are often haunted people.
I'm not sure if the writer of the initial post by the OP would be interested in this information but there it is.
I have had a couple of 'disturbing' experiences regarding this side of existence- it's kind of odd because I come from a very practical, No Nonsense type of family from the north west of England (any other Brits will know of what I speak) but I have always been aware of spiritual presences, and I was very drawn to that 'Scole Experiment' which Rupert Sheldrake witnessed and verified, I sent Rupert a message about that one and he replied, saying it was all 100% true.
skogvokter
17th October 2017, 05:04
..
I did the test and ended up with (INTP-T)
I do have aspergers if that's worth anything.
..
LadyRavenHeart
17th October 2017, 11:27
Very interesting post indeed.
I am an INFP-T Empath ... and in the past have attracted NarcPsyc's like a moth to a flame. Took years to develop coping skills and methods to avoid them.
Ernie Nemeth
18th October 2017, 03:04
I am still an INFP but now with an added T
heavy on the intuitive, introvert
mediator
onawah
25th February 2018, 05:39
I recently found some very helpful information about the dynamics of empath/narcissist relationships on the youtube channel Vital Mind Psychology here:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_P8aFACl-VqJl0flQPGMQQ/videos
It was created by an Australian psychologist who gives very succinct, common sense information based on his own clinical experiences which make a lot of sense.
I am an INFJ and have had some narcissists in my life who were puzzles to me--this information has explained so much to me; very good to know, even if after the fact.
There are more videos as well on various subjects.
Here are some of the talks for empaths, and about narcissists:
The childhood origins of narcissism
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The emotion at the heart of narcissism
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Understanding the mind of a narcissist
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5 key strategies for dealing with narcissists
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Why the empath falls for the narcissist: The attachment and energy exchange system
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The hidden emotion that makes empaths vulnerable to narcissists
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5 key lifestyle changes empaths needs to make
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How the narcissist destroys your physical health
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5 destructive fantasies empaths have after the narcissist has left
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onawah
25th February 2018, 05:49
Three more in the newest series of videos on empaths from Vital Mind Psychology:
Understanding The 3 Types of Empaths
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Anatomy of an empath: Your 3 Core Features
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The Empath In Trouble: Your Downward Spiral With The Narcissist
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The Freedom Train
25th February 2018, 15:18
INFJ-T ! Fascinating, thanks for resourcing this 👌👍
Blimey, me too! Thanks for the link to the test Running Deer.
gord
28th February 2018, 03:01
Very interesting post indeed.
I am an INFP-T Empath ... and in the past have attracted NarcPsyc's like a moth to a flame. Took years to develop coping skills and methods to avoid them.
I am an INFP-T and have constantly attracted these NarcPsyc types.
Michelle Marie
28th February 2018, 19:08
I haven't taken the test recently, and I don't have the time at the moment, but I took the test years ago...
ENFJ
However, I feel way more introverted than I used to be. But I saw the graphic with a speaker and I speak to groups with my work.
I'll take it again in present time a little later...must go rescue kitty.
MM :star:
onawah
1st March 2018, 17:05
Advice for Empaths, Teal Swan with Host Amanda Flaker
Nov 7, 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKB71rRZzWI
In this interview Teal shares her experience learning to cope/thrive with her empathic abilities and offers advice to other empaths on how to feel empowered and fearless with their sensitivities.
Flash
1st March 2018, 17:22
Advice for Empaths, Teal Swan with Host Amanda Flaker
Nov 7, 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKB71rRZzWI
In this interview Teal shares her experience learning to cope/thrive with her empathic abilities and offers advice to other empaths on how to feel empowered and fearless with their sensitivities.
As far as i am concerned, any empath abilities Teal Swan has is to serve herself (this then fall into another category). She would be amongst the last one I listen to for any advice, mostly when it regards hyper sensitive empaths - they will be fooled.
My opinion
onawah
1st March 2018, 17:36
I'm not a great fan of Teal either, but I thought the information and the format of that discussion was pretty good.
If Teal's story of what she survived as a victim of ritual abuse is true, then she has come pretty far on her healing journey, but could only still have a lot of healing to do, that being a given.
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Advice for Empaths, Teal Swan with Host Amanda Flaker
Nov 7, 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKB71rRZzWI
In this interview Teal shares her experience learning to cope/thrive with her empathic abilities and offers advice to other empaths on how to feel empowered and fearless with their sensitivities.
As far as i am concerned, any empath abilities Teal Swan has is to serve herself (this then fall into another category). She would be amongst the last one I listen to for any advice, mostly when it regards hyper sensitive empaths - they will be fooled.
My opinion
Flash
1st March 2018, 17:36
Very interesting post indeed.
I am an INFP-T Empath ... and in the past have attracted NarcPsyc's like a moth to a flame. Took years to develop coping skills and methods to avoid them.
I am an INFP-T and have constantly attracted these NarcPsyc types.
What we have to know is that narcissists and psychopaths (who are sometimes the same) are quite numerous and growing in number it seems. We all meet at least 100 people in our lifetime, so we have met at least one narcissist/psychopath.
As they sniff iinner weaknesses as a dog snifs food from far away, they will get on anyone with emotional deficiencies, empath or not. Believe me, they would get onto someone with money way before getting onto an empath without money, if they can (sometimes they are not that bright, so money people see them coming)
the other point is that psychopaths will get near people who are usually bully, full of life and energy, because they are jealous of this and want it for themselves. Period. Often, those full of energy are empaths. Also, often, those full of hang ups are empaths too. So psychopaths have there an easy choice target.
I have had my fair share of psychopaths, with stories that could fill a Stephen king book, and yet I am not INFP with or without T lolll.
the solution is strong inner self - and to stop the false beliefs, namely thinking that true cruelty does not exist in human beings.
- emotional and other shocks cutting the attachment between parent and child happening before the age of 2 creates narcissism does the job for creating narcissists, psychopaths, sociopaths, it seems; we now have numerous vaccine jabs, daycares, drug addict moms/dads, overworked parents too tired to take emotional care of their children, or iPhone/Facebook addict parents putting their children in emotional neglect, etc.
Flash
1st March 2018, 17:45
I'm not a great fan of Teal either, but I thought the information and the format of this discussion was pretty good.
If Teal's story of what she survived as a victim of ritual abuse is true, then she has come pretty far on her healing journey, but could only still have a lot of healing to do, that being a given.
Advice for Empaths, Teal Swan with Host Amanda Flaker
Nov 7, 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKB71rRZzWI
In this interview Teal shares her experience learning to cope/thrive with her empathic abilities and offers advice to other empaths on how to feel empowered and fearless with their sensitivities.
As far as i am concerned, any empath abilities Teal Swan has is to serve herself (this then fall into another category). She would be amongst the last one I listen to for any advice, mostly when it regards hyper sensitive empaths - they will be fooled.
My opinion
Onawah, it took me years to understand in my being the difference between fake love and true love, and the difference between real self-love and false self-love. Once I understood, I can tell Teal is not there, in self-love nor in universal love.
and precisely, read my previous post - the emotional/physical shocks before the age of 2 will create narcissists and it is pretty much irreversible unless the person wants to go through the excruciating pain of having lost contact and attachment with other humans, and with her own soul. I am sorry for her pain in childhood.
onawah
1st March 2018, 17:56
I don't really know what category to put Teal into because she is such an unusual individual, and because I have never met her in person, I reserve judgement.
Perhaps you can, Flash, but I don't feel I can sense the truth about someone unless I have actually met them in person.
Flash
1st March 2018, 20:10
I don't really know what category to put Teal into because she is such an unusual individual, and because I have never met her in person, I reserve judgement.
Perhaps you can, Flash, but I don't feel I can sense the truth about someone unless I have actually met them in person.
Anyhow, I sense the truth about you, and it is a good truth (yu are a lovely person)
Love, and lets leave it at that
onawah
1st March 2018, 21:00
Agreed! :heart: :highfive: :sun:
I don't really know what category to put Teal into because she is such an unusual individual, and because I have never met her in person, I reserve judgement.
Perhaps you can, Flash, but I don't feel I can sense the truth about someone unless I have actually met them in person.
Anyhow, I sense the truth about you, and it is a good truth (yu are a lovely person)
Love, and lets leave it at that
onawah
2nd March 2018, 20:52
The Empath's False Dichotomy: Victims vs. Persecutors
Vital Mind Psychology
Published on Mar 2, 2018
In this video I examine the highly polarized view of interpersonal relationships the empath in trouble gets stuck in - that of victims vs persecutors. Although this stage can initially be psychologically adaptive, remaining stuck at this phase poses a serious roadblock to true growth, healing and self-actualisation for the empath.
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onawah
18th March 2018, 04:43
The Empath In Recovery: Step 1 - Calm Your Nervous System
Vital Mind Psychology
Mar 16, 2018
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In this video I take a detailed look at the first essential step in the recovery process for the empath in trouble - calming their dysregulated nervous system. I cover the role of the stress response and the need to accurately determine the stage of stress the empath is stuck in.
I discuss the use of Hair Tissue Mineral Analysis (HTMA) in the assessment of the stress response
Elpis
18th March 2018, 06:04
It seems I can check off all 11 of these.
Number 7 strikes home more times than not. It's very difficult for me to be around negative people. I have to physically cross my feet at the ankles and clasp my hands so they don't drain all the energy right out of me.
justntime2learn
18th March 2018, 15:00
I recently found some very helpful information about the dynamics of empath/narcissist relationships on the youtube channel Vital Mind Psychology here:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_P8aFACl-VqJl0flQPGMQQ/videos
It was created by an Australian psychologist who gives very succinct, common sense information based on his own clinical experiences which make a lot of sense.
I am an INFJ and have had some narcissists in my life who were puzzles to me--this information has explained so much to me; very good to know, even if after the fact.
There are more videos as well on various subjects.
Here are some of the talks for empaths, and about narcissists:
The childhood origins of narcissism
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The emotion at the heart of narcissism
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Understanding the mind of a narcissist
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5 key strategies for dealing with narcissists
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Why the empath falls for the narcissist: The attachment and energy exchange system
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The hidden emotion that makes empaths vulnerable to narcissists
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5 key lifestyle changes empaths needs to make
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How the narcissist destroys your physical health
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5 destructive fantasies empaths have after the narcissist has left
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Gotcha ! :heart:
onawah
23rd March 2018, 17:14
The Empath In Recovery: Step 2 - Reduce Your Need To Please
Vital Mind Psychology
Published on Mar 23, 2018
In this video I take a deeper look into the empath's strong tendency to be overly agreeable and people pleasing, a tendency that so often leads them to place themselves in precarious positions. I reveal the two underlying core fears that motivate the empath's need to please and how these inform which strategies work best for the empath.
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thepainterdoug
25th March 2018, 20:54
Thats me. Yes, thats me
onawah
25th March 2018, 21:39
It can be quite a revelation when you see the whole profile and realize how it all fits.
For me it was like a huge weight had been lifted off my back :ballchain::dancing:
And I could finally stop feeling guilty for being self-protective, :blackwidow: and stop having delusions of grandeur about my healing abilities and self-assigned messianic responsibility :Angel: for healing the world.
It was like a had a "kick me" sign on my back, attracting narcissists like flies. :evil::heh:
I just wish I had known years ago.:clock:
Thats me. Yes, thats me
Valerie Villars
25th March 2018, 21:48
Onawah, me too. It seems I used to attract all the crazies. It's like they have a homing device for people like us. I finally realized in one fell swoop that it all comes down to acting in favor of your own destiny, instead of viewing yourself as being "mean" by saying no. I don't step on other's toes and I certainly don't use or manipulate. Not acting in accordance with the status quo even though it's hard, but when you know it's right thing to do for you is essential.
onawah
28th May 2018, 19:21
Wes Penre is back on the Avalon forum, and back on Youtube, with a series of videos about narcissism and his theory about its alien origins and purpose.
See his latest post here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102768-New-Wes-Penre-Videos&p=1224949&viewfull=1#post1224949
On Youtube:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0RVai_3hFfJ75juEEcwNog
The new 12 part series focusing mainly on narcissism begins with an introduction here: H-bbMMZuq7k
onawah
1st July 2018, 05:42
I just found another good source of information about Narcissism, "Narcissism Survivor" at https://www.youtube.com/user/NarcissimSurvivor/videos
This man is not a professional like the Vital Mind Psychology guy or a narcissist himself like Sam Vaknin, but is just a down to earth, common sense guy who speaks in simple language, from plenty of personal experience.
Here is a selection of his videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZncETsH7lFA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1PMv6S2vRI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8VQR4-ZXjU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPpa-sNHnoY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ydBE5X6FZQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0XtOnd3I3w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APQ_KQL7Skg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8OJRS9Lhxo
onawah
6th July 2018, 18:46
Great new video out today from Wes Penre
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Also posted here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102768-New-Wes-Penre-Videos&p=1233720&viewfull=1#post1233720
Anti Democide
29th October 2018, 21:44
Perhaps Empath fits but is also in some folks a masquerade of sorts for being an `emotional wreck`?
I used to think this description must apply to myself but those `emotions` were nothing to do with any `wrecking`:
In fact being hyper sensitive and feeling others emotions [especially when walking into to a busy or small crowded area] is usually a root cause::silent:
Meanwhile; one of the noticeable effects is self confusion; but only for a while:
I used to think everyone else felt like myself and thought like myself but surely must be better at hiding it: What a shock I was in for:
Sound familiar? Yip You too then:
AriG
30th October 2018, 00:24
39368I normally avoid these types of tests like the plague and was incredibly surprised by the result. really confused me was the information about not being data driven. I often am. Or maybe I have had to be as a result of profession. Maybe an adaptation.
So fellow Avalonians... what's my story with regard to my results? I am not sure I am seeing the correlation between this test and being an empath? But maybe an empath would already know that?? he he.
Flash
30th October 2018, 04:48
I have problem with the videos of this guy Onawah.
He put much too much vocal emphasis at the wrong places in his speeches, repeats 2-3 times what he wants to emphasize, etc. Often, I have the feeling that those speaking about the narcissists are narcissists themselves.
He also do quite a lot of grammatical generalisations, omissions or selections easily grasped by someone with NLP training (ex: ever ever, never never, etc). Not a good sign, but a sign of manipulative intent.
Anyhow, thank for your intent by presenting us those videos Onawah.
At least Vaknin is an honest narcissist (if that can exist lol)
MistressJan
31st October 2018, 01:41
I took this test a few years ago but did it again to see if my results were any different...still an INFP with the added T now (turbulent). In fact, intuitive and turbulent were both 83% so I suppose I’m turbulently intuitive. But then I’m a witch...and an empath so it is what it is...I find the results to be accurate...thanks for posting the link to the newer test!
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