The Qanon posts, and associated US political analysis

[ThePythonicCow]

Is it fake? I know there are fake Trump Twitter accounts.
I don't know.

Where did you find it?

[Michelle Marie]

Is it fake? I know there are fake Trump Twitter accounts.
I don't know.

Where did you find it?

On 8chan
https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2897860.html

Post 2898017

Here's another one...
39016

MM

[ThePythonicCow]

When I heard that "q" targeted Iran (yes, 'targeted' is the correct word), I opened this thread to find out what the reaction was. I didn't even see anyone mention it. So I did.
I count some 310 posts on this thread with the word "Iran" in them, including several responding, with some detail and care to clear posting, to your inquiry as to what we thought of Q's latest comments on Iran, none of which (did I miss one?) include any post of yours, responding on the substance of these several posts responding to your inquiry.


And please, stop with the peacemaking... LOL
Well, I tried.

But I have now concluded, as you can see in my immediately preceding comment, that I have failed.

Carry on.

[ThePythonicCow]

Is it fake? I know there are fake Trump Twitter accounts.
I don't know.

Where did you find it?

On 8chan
https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2897860.html

Post 2898017
Aha - I see it now.

Posts https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2897860.html#q2898026, https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2897860.html#q2898027, ... through https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2897860.html#q2898030 have all concluded, in the space of a minute or two, that that 8ch post was fake and gay.

[ThePythonicCow]

Here's another one...
39016

MM

That one is real: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1037541538950209537

[Michelle Marie]

Is it fake? I know there are fake Trump Twitter accounts.
I don't know.

Where did you find it?

On 8chan
https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2897860.html

Post 2898017
Aha - I see it now.

Posts https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2897860.html#q2898026, https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2897860.html#q2898027, ... through https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2897860.html#q2898030 have all concluded, in the space of a minute or two, that that 8ch post was fake and gay.

Yeah, I just saw that obvious fake one further down.

Alas, the storm was not officially announced again. But we do have the expanded observations as I mentioned previously!

There's only one county between us and the current California fire! And the fire is bordering that county! Siskiyou.

That's on 8 chan, too. They do keep an eye out for current news. :)

MM

[Michelle Marie]

Here's another one...
39016

MM

That one is real: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1037541538950209537

Thank you for checking. I love cooperation!

I don't do Twitter unless I'm directed there with a link.

Usually the fake Trump Twitter posts are raunchy and you just KNOW they are fake. LOL :)

MM

[Dennis Leahy]

I've been following a Facebook page for MyStealthyFreedom (http://www.mystealthyfreedom.net/en/) to support the women in Iran. If you visit that page you will get a taste of how much the people of Iran are frustrated with the current regime.

A regime put in place by the corrupt bad actors that we all agree are wreaking havoc in that country and many other countries, including our own.

That is the "regime change" that is being discussed in this post.
This is an important observation in my view. It is key testimony, for me at least, that helps shape my current view of what's really happening in Iran.

Thank-you.

===

Your above words led to me writing the following.

However I address the following not to you or anyone in particular, but rather to whomever (if anyone) might have felt like complaining, in frustration, that Q dissidents simply haven't done their homework well enough yet, and haven't sufficiently studied Q's posts and the various decoding efforts of Q by others.

Please excuse me when I write "you" below, for I know not who the "you" is to whom I am writing :).

===

The influence that edina reports, above, of readings on another forum discussing Iran, on her understanding of Q's comments on Iran, is consistent with my impression that it is not always helpful to complain that others who disagree with us about the importance of Q haven't read enough of Q's posts.

What helped edina, in this case, if I read her testimony correctly, was that, using varied sources, of her choosing, she formed a "mental view" (gestalt) regarding what was going on in Iran and with it's current government. Then when she combined her view of Iranian affairs with other views she had formed of Q's posts (formed again I suspect from various sources, including Q's own words, and the decoding efforts of various autists and researchers), Q's posts on Iran took on a particular meaning that "made sense" to her.

===

We see the world, we manipulate our mental understanding of our world, using various terms, theories, philosophies, views, intuitions, etc. It matters far less how we came by the particular set of such views that we hold in the moment. The greatest heretic might have practically memorized the Bible, chapter and verse, and the greatest saint might not have read a word of it. Rather it matters what are those views.

===

Use terms, theories, philosophies, views, ... as one uses the tools one's trade. Fix them when they are broken, take care of them, replace them or get entirely new and different ones when the tools that one has on hand are inadequate to the task at hand. They are some of the tools by which human thinking and discussion are shaped.

===

When one finds one's self frustrated that someone else has apparently not adequately read and understood all the key subject material, such as Q's posts in this case, then keep in mind that what's more likely the problem, for those endeavoring to actively participate in the discussion (as opposed say to students taking a required class of little real interest to them at the moment), is that the other person has a sufficiently different gestalt, different view of the topic at hand, that they are not looking at the matter as you are, that the words, terms, ideas, they are using don't work well with the thoughts you are thinking. The screwdriver in your hand has become the pry bar in their hand. Telling them, with evident frustration, to read the entire screwdriver instruction manual probably won't help the discussion.

OK, then riddle me this, my friend: Iran is on the 2001 USA, INC. PNAC hit-list and the israeli hit-list, but saudi arabia is not. saudi arabia is a notorious theocratic monarchy that chops off dissident's heads, and women are treated probably the worst of any nation on Earth. Iran is not currently attempting to exterminate any neighbors, but saudi arabia is (Yemen.) However, "q" doesn't call for "regime change" in saudi arabia. For that matter, does "q" call for israel to stop the slaughter of innocent 'prisoners?' So, a couple of terroristic nations, actively murdering men, women, and children - in their homes, on school buses, in hospitals, and standing in a caged field - are overlooked by "q", and instead pressure is put on Iran, the nation that was put on the deep state hit list 17 years ago, and that netanyahu desperately wants destroyed.

Sometimes, what doesn't happen is even more important than what does happen. "q" is ignoring active, overt, psychopathic, genocidal murderers in the same region, but stops to cheer-on "regime change" in Iran. That's damning. It's illogical. Nor does it follow an emotional pathway because the murders in Yemen and Palestine are horrific, overt, and common knowledge - it couldn't help but pull your heart strings in that direction because the carnage is photographed and anyone who wants to look can see it. If you want to, you can hear some of the screams.

There isn't an emotional or logical reason. It makes no sense for the heroic leaker to bypass the real-time murders taking place right in the same region, to call out Iran or call out to the people of Iran. "q" has a hidden agenda.

[Bill Ryan]

Even Bill has joined in the disparaging comments.
Sometimes I think that one reason this issue continues to pop up is because of people following Bill's lead. Think about it. Dennis even mentioned Bill directly in his complaints.

Not intentionally disparaging, as in discourteous — though I may not agree with some strongly-held views here. That's rather different.

I appreciate the clarification about Iran. I'm not 100% convinced. But I'm comfortable to leave that be.

My question was a genuine one: Q's reference to 'regime change' (a well-used euphemism with a usually very clear meaning) seems very odd, and I still think it is.


Dennis is not on the forum and Bill is not responding.

So, let's all get back to the discussions at hand.

When they respond then I'll respond to their questions.

No use in having a conversation with closed minds.For everyone's info: I quite often leave my computer unattended, sometimes for half a day or more, while my open browser page stays on one particular thread. I never actually log off the forum, I'm just not always actually actively here. If I seem not to respond, please don't assume that means anything other than my not being active on the thread at that time.

I've hardly got a 'closed mind', btw. I'm just not that interested in what frequently seems to be near-endless, unproductive speculation, but that might draw to a close quite soon. (See Kev Baker's interesting new video (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=1246170#post1246170).) I played a ton of Treasure Hunt games when I was a kid; I don't really want to play them now. :)

And besides, this thread is not always a pleasant place to hang out for anyone who disagrees with the Q mindset. And in my opinion, it is a mindset. (Closed, or otherwise: you decide.)

The often quite defensive-aggressive posture adopted by some who are clearly keen advocates of 'Q' suggests to me that a cult-like phenomenon is taking place. Not only here, but on many other social media venues. Many can see this and have remarked on it. Kev Baker even equates it to a 'religion'.

A religion is an emotionally-invested belief system that offers security and hope, but in almost all cases lacks any real evidence for its premises.

If you think that's 'disparaging', then there's no point in any dialog at all. Rather, I'd suggest it's an intelligent observation worthy of intelligent discussion.

But I'll now bow out again and let that discussion continue. Let's see if more comes to light about who Q may or may not be (and/or have been).

Meanwhile, I am interested in the seemingly important new initiative announced in Ann Vandersteel's interview of Robert Caron and Joshua Macias, because it seems to promise to have inbuilt transparency, documentation, and accountability. I do think all those things are important. They're not provided by Q, and never have been.


The weaponization of the US intelligence community: 120 agency insiders now speak out (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104116-The-weaponization-of-the-US-intelligence-community-120-agency-insiders-now-speak-out)

But let's wait and see on that, as well, before we judge too soon.

:focus:

[ThePythonicCow]

OK, then riddle me this ... PNAC ... saudi arabia ... Yemen ... Iran ... Palestine ... "q" has a hidden agenda.
It's a bloody mess, Dennis, a convoluted, layered, shifting, swirling cesspool of unspeakable and unspoken and misspoken deceptions.

I simply don't know how to have a useful discussion on it with someone who has such different views.

The honest efforts of myself, and of others, earlier in this thread, to answer your previous question regarding Iran were the best we could do.

It wasn't good enough to form the basis of a useful discussion.

... hence ... I have no useful answer ... meaning no answer that I am optimistic might lead to a useful discussion.

[ThePythonicCow]

But let's wait and see on that, as well, before we judge too soon
yeah ...

:) :cow: :)

[Dennis Leahy]

When I heard that "q" targeted Iran (yes, 'targeted' is the correct word), I opened this thread to find out what the reaction was. I didn't even see anyone mention it. So I did.
I count some 310 posts on this thread with the word "Iran" in them, including several responding, with some detail and care to clear posting, to your inquiry as to what we thought of Q's latest comments on Iran, none of which (did I miss one?) include any post of yours, responding on the substance of these several posts responding to your inquiry.


And please, stop with the peacemaking... LOL
Well, I tried.

But I have now concluded, as you can see in my immediately preceding comment, that I have failed.

Carry on.
Ouch, Paul. No, you're missing it.

On September 4th, I opened page 167 of this enormous thread, to see what the discussion was about Iran being targeted for regime change by "q". No one seemed to be mentioning it on that page, at all. As I mentioned, I did not, and have no plans to go back and read this thread. (But I really wonder how far back I would have had to go to read that someone, anyone, was discussing that "q" targeted, fingered, marked Iran for regime change. I don't think anyone was talking about it, or they would have quoted it back in response. I have a feeling your search was just for the word "Iran." And why would mention of the word "Iran" after I did, be tallied into that 310 number anyway? I mean, you're saying that I ignored 310 mentions that "q" targeted Iran with regime change, when I suspect the correct number is zero.)

I think "q" just gave everyone a big fat clue as to the real "q" agenda and who is pulling "q's" strings, and I pointed it out. Everybody can process that, or ignore it as they see fit. I'm being treated (by some) as a troll here, and so will leave this thread.

Now, with that, I will leave y'all to sleuthing, and wish you the best.

[Clarity]

It's like 24 hours since John McCain was PUT to death...

S53-2LYUefQ

[Jayke]

"q said":
Free Iran!!!
Fight
Fight
Fight
Regime change.
People have the power.
We stand with you.
Q.

I guess those words have different connotations to different generations. My generation didn’t have as an extensive commie-vision indoctrination that the senior generation has had to shake off.

My interpretation of the Q-post above, which I assumed to be self-evident given the context of the Q-drops:

Free Iran!!! (Keep Iran free from the Ziocons who want to initiate a pretext for regime change in Iran)
Fight, fight, fight (resist)
Regime change (resist the nonsense propoganda pushed by the mainstream media who are advocating regime change in Iran)
People have power (truth is more powerful than than the lies fed by mainstream media)
We stand with you (we stand with truth)

From my perspective, you’ve got to have had some extensive communist indoctrination to interpret that as a call to arms, or a call for actively pursuing regime change in Iran :facepalm:

Do any Q followers interpret that as a call for regime change? Or is it just the SJW types — the outsiders looking in — the demographic of people who the Q-drops are specifically NOT tailored for, that interpret this as a call to arms?

To interpret that as a call to arms, in favour of regime change, tells us more about the SJW mindset than it does about the Q-drops themselves. Unless there’s any other Q posts that support a theme of calls to arms in support of regime change?

If there’s a pattern of similar Q-drops advocating for regime change, then, fair enough, Dennis may have a point — but, if that’s the only post Dennis is basing his interpretation on — then, those arguments are based on a very flimsy premise imo, which would explain why no one else in the Q community picked up on the malevolent nature of that particular drop.

[KiwiElf]

Would you like to play a game? :idea:

Let's play, DRAINING THE SWAMP :)
"Time Management", "Project Management", or "Goal Setting" 101 (similar formula to a Marketing Plan) - on a Global Scale

Make a "TO DO" list of everything you'd like to see sorted or exposed regarding the Deep State. (use the "Map" for this - I'm well over 100 "items" already) - you'll have to make "sub-tasks" :sherlock:

Do a SWOT Analysis (Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities, Threats) followed by - or in combination with - a SMART Analysis (acronyms); Specific, Measurable, Achievable, Realistic, Time - applied to EACH item

Then look at that list and assign each item a Priority, based on the bigger picture. (Your intended timing to achieve this is within the next 6-10 years)
1 = Urgent & Important
2 = Important but NOT Urgent
3 = Urgent but NOT Important (interruptions to your plan - you can only anticipate or allow for these events to happen)
4 = NOT Important & NOT Urgent - which in regard to the "Bigger Goal", don't worry about it for now ;)

Take each item & figure out how long it's going to take to achieve it? Can't do that unless you have Resources.

WHO & WHAT will be needed? Cost? (in detail with backup plans)

HOW will it be done? (in detail with backup plans)

Once you've figured all that out, lay it ALL out in chronological order. What item is 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc? Some will be parallel.

Not something which can (legally) be done in a blink.

NOT easy, is it?

That should give everyone the sheer magnitude & scope of what is going down here.

[ThePythonicCow]

That should give everyone the sheer magnitude & scope of what is going down here.[/COLOR]
The depth, breadth, and variety of the corruption that has built up, over generations, in the Rothschild-Rockefeller wing of civilization is being scaled back.

Don't worry - you won't be seeing David Rockefeller Jr or Jacob Rothschild standing beside you in the soup line at the homeless shelter. Nor worry that there are not other powerful families with genealogies going back thousands of years, who are picking up the slack.

But some of the minions of some of their world-wide criminal syndicates are lawyering up or taking early retirement, and a few are no where to be found anymore.

The scale of the criminal enterprises being scaled back is bigger than we'll ever know, bigger than any single human will ever grasp in detail.

[KiwiElf]

@ Jayke re your above post;

In a manner of speaking, that could be interpreted as "Regime Change," but one that is done by their people, just as "Q"/Trump is suggesting for the USA (and the rest of the world)... first, their "eyes must be opened".

Psyop? Atticus? Corey Goode? Hardly compares, (irrespective of the number of posts on Avalon).

At ANY time, has ANYONE seen ANYthing in their lifetime, as to what is now "happening" with "Q"?

I'd call it, a "Revolution".

Each to their own. :)

[Oddball]

I would just like to ask a simple question here, to Dennis, Bill, or whoever else might be reading this thread that is not sold on this “cult”of Q.

Now that everything is absolutely and provably unfolding to the Q narrative (Obama, HRC FISA abuse) and absolutely nothing has been proven true with the fake news narrative (Russia, Trump collusion) maybe it’s time to accept the quite obvious of who is being truthful?

[Honesty]

This entire movement is a misdirect. War will inevitably further consolidate control over the human collective. Q is a state sponsored psiop serving as a means to that end.

[KiwiElf]

This entire movement is a misdirect. War will inevitably further consolidate control over the human collective. Q is a state sponsored psiop serving as a means to that end.

Then prove it.

“You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant.”

― Harlan Ellison

[Baby Steps]

This entire movement is a misdirect. War will inevitably further consolidate control over the human collective. Q is a state sponsored psiop serving as a means to that end.

Yes- it could be. It is directing the conspiracy community towards narratives defending government actions that many would usually challenge. It is entirely possible at this point that Trump represents the WW3 candidate, but he needs to consolidate his power with a set piece , token baddie removal psi op (like when Mussolini decimated cosa nostra in Sicily).

It could be something better. How to fight entrenched corruption throughout the most powerful & complex state that has ever existed? Trump cannot be too close to any information war against his opponents. It must be a bottom up process to clean things up. So you have mysterious people dropping hints. This is driving researchers towards existing information, that is being integrated into a 'great awakening' story that is taking shape now. We here are ahead of the curve in building this. From what we see, if the story being constructed becomes accepted or known in the mainstream, we will see a huge push for change from people. A popular movement for a revolution in transparency, democracy and accountability.

So the enigma is that the least transparent, least accountable people, some posters on a board, are attempting to build a transparency movement globally. Far fetched? Many might think so. But is it real. Can anybody know at this stage?

The hopeful pointers are that so many people in the establishment are already being discredited or resigning. Much more must come before November. Hightened discernment required. Mainstream media narratives dropping like flies, q narratives gaining credibility over time. They should not have touched the kids.

Regarding Iran, if we are seeing a 'strings cut' type of scenario, we could hopefully be looking at people driven peaceful reforms there, together with REAL de-nuclearisation. Remaining hopeful.

[mountain_jim]

...
The hit pieces on QAnon cherry pick posts in isolation, and also conflate. It's a common tactic by propagandists. Most Q researchers are aware of this and frankly, don't pay any attention to the hit pieces.
...

So the people actively engaged in researching the Q posts have the context of the earlier one, and many others, when considering the meaning of the one that Dennis emotionally triggered on.)...

"Propagandist?"

"Triggered?"

One thing so far caught my eye, and I presented that one thing. To actually "cherry pick", one would have to read all the material. This was more like:

Bill Ryan had examined the material dribbling out months ago, and is the most qualified of anyone here to discern between a real whistleblower and a psyop. "q" had an inane, "gamey", coy, teasing, sophomoric feel to the dribble and Bill told us that's not how whistleblowers act - and that in his opinion, it is a psyop. So, to me it was early identified as a psyop, and I paid no attention to it. When I heard that "q" targeted Iran (yes, 'targeted' is the correct word), I opened this thread to find out what the reaction was. I didn't even see anyone mention it. So I did. The general reaction is that if I didn't inhale all of the "q" dribbles, then I was not even qualified to wonder out loud why "q" is echoing netanyahu and the deep state, pounding the drums for regime change in Iran. Blasphemy!

Well, you're not the only one reading this thread, and some others probably DO want less cultish reactions to the "anonymous" game clues (do you really think the nsa and cia don't know who the "q anon" group is?), and the accompanying sycophantic reactions to a few of trump's* ugly truths being stated. As each of the false prophets have been unmasked here on Project Avalon, many members are appreciative for the discernment. Some get bitter and leave when the story they believed is shown to be phony.

Speaking of phony, so, is "q" supposed to be anonymous just to the public, or is the premise that "q" is also anonymous to the deep state? The deep state, including the nsa and cia who have access to, well, everything digital, are unable to identify the anti-deep state "q?" Doesn't that sound pretty hard to believe?

*(because trump is germane to this thread, as this is all about trump and his administration. You wanna hear me rant about psychopathic criminals like killary and obama and sanders? I'll be happy to, in the appropriate thread. I'm not partisan. Partisans only know that the other guys are bad guys - I know it's all of them, not half of them.)

Well Dennis has apparently moved on but I will respond to this.

Because it seems to me to quite make the point that Dennis is not very well informed on the material provided and the proofs offered.

Many of those following along for these many months, feel that Q has provided sufficient evidence to indicate he is backed with considerable intelligence capabilities, and many interpret that this (based on Q drops) is partly an internal war between the Nazi-CIA/Bush/Clinton side on the one hand and the (supposed) white hats in the NSA allied with components of military intelligence and Q.

At least that is my current understanding. Those who have better command of the material can correct me as need be.

Time will tell what this all means/meant.

This may not be the best source, but in time I had at moment was first I came up with (I wonder if Alex/Corsi started out on the Q train but than AJ's Mossad handlers reeled them in?)

https://www.exopolitics.org/qanon-is-us-military-intelligence-that-recruited-trump-for-president-to-prevent-coup-detat/




According to veteran investigative reporter and best selling author, Dr. Jerome Corsi, he was approached three years ago by a group of generals and told that Donald Trump had been recruited by U.S. military intelligence to run in the 2016 Presidential elections, and subsequently help remove corrupt Deep State officials from positions of power. Corsi claims that QAnon represents the same group of senior military intelligence officials who are exposing the Deep State corruption and officials involved in a history of treasonous actions against the U.S. Republic.

This is what Corsi said at a meeting on April 11, which also featured the founder of InfoWars.com, Alex Jones:

About three years ago a group of Generals came to me, and it was explained to me that they were ready to conduct a coup d’etat. They were ready to move Barack Obama from office with military force. And then a few weeks later I got another call and said they were reconsidering.

You know why they were reconsidering? [audience calls out answers] Because they talked to Donald Trump, and Trump had agreed he would run, and they agreed that if he would run, they would conduct their coup d’etat as a legitimate process, rooting out the traitors within government. And that pact between the military and Donald Trump has held, as we have been interpreting and watching, and Alex has been following QAnon.

QAnon is military intelligence and close to Trump, and the intelligence we’ve getting, that we’ve explained on Infowars, really is a lot of the inside script.

While Corsi didn’t name the generals or provide hard evidence for his startling claim, an examination of public comments by President Trump, QAnon and related political events do make Corsi’s extraordinary claim very plausible.

It’s important to note that Corsi’s speech happened only a day after a tweet by President Trump featuring him with 20 senior U.S. military officials who dined with him the previous night:

[mountain_jim]

This entire movement is a misdirect. War will inevitably further consolidate control over the human collective. Q is a state sponsored psiop serving as a means to that end.

Yes- it could be. It is directing the conspiracy community towards narratives defending government actions that many would usually challenge. It is entirely possible at this point that Trump represents the WW3 candidate, but he needs to consolidate his power with a set piece , token baddie removal psi op (like when Mussolini decimated cosa nostra in Sicily).

It could be something better. How to fight entrenched corruption throughout the most powerful & complex state that has ever existed? Trump cannot be too close to any information war against his opponents. It must be a bottom up process to clean things up. So you have mysterious people dropping hints. This is driving researchers towards existing information, that is being integrated into a 'great awakening' story that is taking shape now. We here are ahead of the curve in building this. From what we see, if the story being constructed becomes accepted or known in the mainstream, we will see a huge push for change from people. A popular movement for a revolution in transparency, democracy and accountability.

So the enigma is that the least transparent, least accountable people, some posters on a board, are attempting to build a transparency movement globally. Far fetched? Many might think so. But is it real. Can anybody know at this stage?

The hopeful pointers are that so many people in the establishment are already being discredited or resigning. Much more must come before November. Hightened discernment required. Mainstream media narratives dropping like flies, q narratives gaining credibility over time. They should not have touched the kids.

Regarding Iran, if we are seeing a 'strings cut' type of scenario, we could hopefully be looking at people driven peaceful reforms there, together with REAL de-nuclearisation. Remaining hopeful.

Just wanted to further highlight this as a great post in my view.

[mountain_jim]

Today's Neon Revolt

https://www.neonrevolt.com/2018/09/06/hrc-in-panic-mode-flawless-victory-awaits-newq-qanon-greatawakening-neonrevolt/

extensively covers what he believes are Mossad attempts to sabotage the Q movement:



That tweet eventually lead to this news report, wherein Jack Posobiec reveals that “professional troll” @Microchip is actually the mind behind QAnon.


Pffft…

Yeah, I took exception to this last night, very publicly on Gab. And the reason I got involved was because, given what we know about Jack, I knew this was a Mossad attack from the very get-go.





and the opinion that Hillary's extensive Kavanaugh tweet storm is due to:




But why is HRC afraid again?

Because Kavanaugh knows everything about Vince Foster.



https://www.inquisitr.com/4978830/brett-kavanaugh-hillary-clinton-vince-foster-donald-trump/

Of course, #LunaticLeftists tried to turn that around and say he was making a misogynist statement against all women, and thus, would be a danger to Roe v. Wade, when really, the truth is exactly as he said: HRC is a traitorous, murderous b****.

And him getting into office would mean potential mega-disclosure on someone who was a victim of #Arkancide.

That’s why she’s terrified.

[turiya]

Today's Neon Revolt

https://www.neonrevolt.com/2018/09/06/hrc-in-panic-mode-flawless-victory-awaits-newq-qanon-greatawakening-neonrevolt/

extensively covers what he believes are Mossad attempts to sabotage the Q movement:



That tweet eventually lead to this news report, wherein Jack Posobiec reveals that “professional troll” @Microchip is actually the mind behind QAnon.


Pffft…

Yeah, I took exception to this last night, very publicly on Gab. And the reason I got involved was because, given what we know about Jack, I knew this was a Mossad attack from the very get-go.



and the opinion that Hillary's extensive Kavanaugh tweet storm is due to:




But why is HRC afraid again?

Because Kavanaugh knows everything about Vince Foster.

https://www.inquisitr.com/4978830/brett-kavanaugh-hillary-clinton-vince-foster-donald-trump/

Of course, #LunaticLeftists tried to turn that around and say he was making a misogynist statement against all women, and thus, would be a danger to Roe v. Wade, when really, the truth is exactly as he said: HRC is a traitorous, murderous b****.

And him getting into office would mean potential mega-disclosure on someone who was a victim of #Arkancide.

That’s why she’s terrified.



Yeah, somebody in the Mossad world would no doubt have seen the following Q post... that would show some intelligence, ....mmmm.... would it not?



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYIKdskWsAQ-JEX.jpg (https://twitter.com/jdiviv/status/973352145608171521)

Side note: Hey Dennis, why weren't you triggered by this one?


____________________________________

New Praying Medic Q decode....


Qanon September 5 - Alice and Wonderland
(Sep 5, 2018)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5elIvBf0X0

[Foxie Loxie]

It's about Rule of Law, which has been sadly lacking over the past decades for those "in power"!

This "system" has been entrenched for centuries.....more power to those trying to "unscramble the eggs"! ;)

[edina]

I'm watching the video linked in the last Q post right now... evidently Lindsey Graham is asking questions about military law vs criminal law.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_gmOsnjrZw

Anyone else thinking of that little Huma/Lindsey Graham exchange?

This part of the questioning begins at 26:06.

"Let's talk about the law and war."

Lindsey Graham sets up this part of questioning prior to this by asking about Brett Kavanaugh's experience on 9/11.

I'm watching this and I'm thinking... brilliant, absolutely brilliant.

Because of all the hoopla surrounding this confirmation, more people than normal are watching this hearing.

Hillary Clinton herself is going bonkers with Twitter threads asking people to Stop Kavanaugh. Also drawing more attention to the hearings.

The emotionally hot headlines (click bait) are also drawing a lot of attention to these hearings.

And, of course, Q is drawing attention to this particular part of the hearings.

Millions of people read the Q-Posts. Millions.

In effect, Lindsey Graham is educating the public about this issue while asking Kavanaugh these questions.


I thought the same thing endina "brilliant......absolutely brilliant". :handshake:

I felt this is so important that I've decided to transcribe this bit and added live links to the relevant points.

Lindsey Graham, Brett Kavanaugh. Law and War.
Start: 26:06
LG: Let's talk about the law and war. Is there a body of law called the Law of Armed Conflict?

BK: There is such a body, Senator.

LG: Is there a body of law that's called basic Criminal Law?

BK: Yes sir.

LG: Are there differences between those two bodies of law?

BK: Yes, Senator.

LG: From an American citizens point of view, do your constitutional rights follow you; if you're in Paris, does the Fourth Amendment protect you as an American from your own government?

BK: From your own government, yes.

LG: Okay. So if you're in Afghanistan do your constitutional rights protect you against your own government?

BK: If you're an American in Afghanistan you have constitutional rights as against the US government. That’s long-settled law.

LG: Isn’t there also long-settled law that goes back to the Eisentrager case? I can't remember the name of it.

BK: Johnson v. Eisentrager (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnson_v._Eisentrager)

LG: Right. ... that American citizens who collaborate with the enemy have been considered enemy combatants?

BK: They can be.

LG: They can be.

BK: They can be. They're sometimes criminally prosecuted, sometimes treated in the military.

LG: Let's talk about can be. I think the –

BK: Under Supreme Court precedent--

LG: Right. There's a Supreme Court decision that said that American citizens who collaborated with
Nazi saboteurs were tried by the military. Is that correct?

BK: That is correct.

LG: I think a couple of them were executed.

BK: Yeah.

LG: So if anybody doubts, there's a long-standing history in this country that your constitutional rights follow you wherever you go but you don't have a constitutional right to turn on your own government, and collaborate with the enemy of the nation. You'll be treated differently. What's the name of the case, if you can recall, that reaffirmed the concept that you could hold one of our own is an enemy combatant if they were engaged in terrorist activities in Afghanistan, are you familiar with that case ?

BK: Yeah, Hamdi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamdi_v._Rumsfeld). (Hamdi v Rumsfeld)

LG: Okay. So the bottom line is, on every American citizen; know you have constitutional rights but you do not have a constitutional right to collaborate with the enemy. There's a body of law well developed long before 9/11 that understood the difference between basic criminal law (https://www.amazon.com/Basic-Criminal-Law-Constitution-Procedure/dp/0134559835) and the Law Of Armed Conflict (LOAC) pdf (https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/LOAC-Deskbook-2015.pdf). Do you understand those differences?

BK: I do understand that they're different bodies of law, of course, Senator.

End 28:33

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/339/763.html Johnson v Eisentrager

Basic Criminal Law (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=24&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiH-9PWlqXdAhVJKawKHaJbACcQFjAXegQIABAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.prenhall.com%2Fdavenport%2F&usg=AOvVaw2Nam6qdjxDqGNYlAPn-K--)
4 Basic Principles | The Law of Armed Conflict (LOAC) (https://loacblog.com/loac-basics/4-basic-principles/)

The video of the Lindsey Graham/Brett Kavanaugh questioning has been taken down.

Did anyone happen to archive that video offline?

(Note added: edited video to replace the removed one with the one turiya shared.)

[turiya]

The video of the Lindsey Graham/Brett Kavanaugh questioning has been taken down.

Did anyone happen to archive that video offline?

I think this one would fill the bill...



http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Q_ANON/2093.png (https://www.curezone.org/)

Senator Lindsey Graham Questions Brett Kavanaugh
Military Law vs Criminal Law.
(Sep 5, 2018)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_gmOsnjrZw

[edina]

Even Bill has joined in the disparaging comments.
Sometimes I think that one reason this issue continues to pop up is because of people following Bill's lead. Think about it. Dennis even mentioned Bill directly in his complaints.

Not intentionally disparaging, as in discourteous — though I may not agree with some strongly-held views here. That's rather different.

I appreciate the clarification about Iran. I'm not 100% convinced. But I'm comfortable to leave that be.

My question was a genuine one: Q's reference to 'regime change' (a well-used euphemism with a usually very clear meaning) seems very odd, and I still think it is.


Dennis is not on the forum and Bill is not responding.

So, let's all get back to the discussions at hand.

When they respond then I'll respond to their questions.

No use in having a conversation with closed minds.For everyone's info: I quite often leave my computer unattended, sometimes for half a day or more, while my open browser page stays on one particular thread. I never actually log off the forum, I'm just not always actually actively here. If I seem not to respond, please don't assume that means anything other than my not being active on the thread at that time.

I've hardly got a 'closed mind', btw. I'm just not that interested in what frequently seems to be near-endless, unproductive speculation, but that might draw to a close quite soon. (See Kev Baker's interesting new video (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=1246170#post1246170).) I played a ton of Treasure Hunt games when I was a kid; I don't really want to play them now. :)

And besides, this thread is not always a pleasant place to hang out for anyone who disagrees with the Q mindset. And in my opinion, it is a mindset. (Closed, or otherwise: you decide.)

The often quite defensive-aggressive posture adopted by some who are clearly keen advocates of 'Q' suggests to me that a cult-like phenomenon is taking place. Not only here, but on many other social media venues. Many can see this and have remarked on it. Kev Baker even equates it to a 'religion'.

A religion is an emotionally-invested belief system that offers security and hope, but in almost all cases lacks any real evidence for its premises.

If you think that's 'disparaging', then there's no point in any dialog at all. Rather, I'd suggest it's an intelligent observation worthy of intelligent discussion.

But I'll now bow out again and let that discussion continue. Let's see if more comes to light about who Q may or may not be (and/or have been).

Meanwhile, I am interested in the seemingly important new initiative announced in Ann Vandersteel's interview of Robert Caron and Joshua Macias, because it seems to promise to have inbuilt transparency, documentation, and accountability. I do think all those things are important. They're not provided by Q, and never have been.


The weaponization of the US intelligence community: 120 agency insiders now speak out (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104116-The-weaponization-of-the-US-intelligence-community-120-agency-insiders-now-speak-out)

But let's wait and see on that, as well, before we judge too soon.

:focus:

It is because of your lack of interest that you've closed your mind.

And again, connecting the idea of the people active in this thread (and the Q movement in general) to cultists, religious-like zealots as you did above is a part of the problem Bill. Think about the indirect name-calling (ad hominem) attack you just wrote. You do not talk about the substance of the content, but disparage the character of the people involved.

And, at this point, you can't talk about the substance of the content, because you're woefully uninformed on the content to speak about it, because you chose to be, out of your lack of interest. Which is okay. But other people are touting you as their expert. And you're not.

Your attitude toward the people active in this thread sets the tone for how other forum members perceive us, like it or not.

Did you pay attention to the fact that people let you do their thinking for them (ie Dennis Leahy in his comments)? Therefore, if you make these erroneous connections they blindly accept them. I often wonder when you're going to actually take some responsibility for your role in the "inaccurate assumptions" I mentioned to Paul in an earlier comment. (Which btw I seriously doubt you read, because of your lack of interest.... lol, which is amusing to me.)

And your opinion is uninformed, because you've closed your mind to looking at the research because you made up your mind, and remain uninterested. LOL

It's your loss. The information people are sharing amongst each other is of value, whether you see it, or not.

The fact that you think this is about a Treasure Hunt game, is indicative of your lack of knowledge about the topic. (And again the disparaging comment, tying it to "when I was a kid" is another example of back-hand insults.)

Just because you are clever and indirect in your insults, doesn't mean that we are too stupid to see them.

I remember Atticus pointing this out to you at one time, too.

Evidently, it's still a problem...

[edina]

The video of the Lindsey Graham/Brett Kavanaugh questioning has been taken down.

Did anyone happen to archive that video offline?

I think this one would fill the bill...



http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Q_ANON/2093.png (https://www.curezone.org/)

Senator Lindsey Graham Questions Brett Kavanaugh
Military Law vs Criminal Law.
(Sep 5, 2018)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_gmOsnjrZw

Yeah!!!! Thank you turiya!!! :)

[edina]

Perhaps its time to refresh people's memory on the events happening last October, regarding the connections of the Las Vegas shootings and Saudi Arabia.

And Q's earlier posts regarding the Saudi Purge.

What do you think?

Or is it just a loss of forward momentum on the emerging current events?

[Valerie Villars]

This may seem way off base and maybe it is offbase. I don't know. I DO know that back in 2013 I received downloads of information that were overwhelming and confusing.

At the time, I knew nothing of the corruption and Q wasn't even online.

However, almost all of the code names, etc. used by Q now, were part of the information I received. That alone is enough to make me pay attention. After all, those downloads were what started me going down the rabbit hole and I can't discount it. It was just a knowing. :confused:

[mgray]

I found these questions most interesting (https://grayseconomy.com/2018/09/06/kavanaughs-gitmo-answer/). Of all the points of constitutional law to bring up to question him on the application of military law as it pertains to enemy combatants was most telling.

[waves]

Compelling argument for who Q is/has been. If true, I'm not sure what to think about the dichotomy if really not a Trump or military insider - the enormous positives in terms of awareness raising and getting people to talk and connect dots... in the same place as what would then be very repetitive false hope and cult cultivating aspects.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZv0_ZT50Oc&ab_channel=TheKevBakerShow

Current top comment under this video:

"I used to think Qanon was a LARP until I started actually following Qanon and verifying all of the "Q proofs" for myself. It's statistically impossible for Qanon to be a LARP and those insisting it is without actually following Q is doing a disservice to other truthers. The fact that the liberal fakestream propaganda media has invested so much time and resources into trying to deter people from following Qanon, just makes me believe in its legitimacy even more. Don't just take anyone's word for it, check it out for yourself!"

Nyah nyah nyah nyah take that? Completely ignoring my non-critical comment or the actual point of the video - the evidence for Q's identity(s)?

To respond to that video with that and nothing else - which has zero to do with any of the content - feels like a rush to cherrypick a comment against it without even watching.

That behavior even supports what else the video is about. The narrator is noticing the rush-to-defend-one's-blind-belief cultish behavior Q followers are exhibiting.

I'm still in observation not belief, just watching and/or offering puzzle pieces, and I pointed out the truly great positives despite the possible deceit.

Again, I thought the evidence in the early part of the video pointed out reasonable evidence concerning Brower and the significance of the moment Q's posts changed from 4chan to 8chan and I find Kev to be one of the more agenda-less hosts not easily convinced but open-minded.

[Valerie Villars]

I found these questions most interesting (https://grayseconomy.com/2018/09/06/kavanaughs-gitmo-answer/). Of all the points of constitutional law to bring up to question him on the application of military law as it pertains to enemy combatants was most telling.

Yes, I did find it quite invigorating, as per your linked article. I felt like someone actually cared about this country, the law and it's people.

[Foxie Loxie]

..."observation, not belief"....I like that phrase, waves! :highfive:

I've been down the Belief Road with a religion, so do not go down that road anymore! I don't have to "believe in Q" to be just observing the phenomenon. I have great respect for those who have been keeping us updated on the "goings on" related thereto. Thank you!

There is no need for us to attack each other personally; for me....this seems to be one of the more "sane" places left in this crazy world...let's keep it that way! :heart:

[Michelle Marie]

..."observation, not belief"....I like that phrase, waves! :highfive:

I've been down the Belief Road with a religion, so do not go down that road anymore! I don't have to "believe in Q" to be just observing the phenomenon. I have great respect for those who have been keeping us updated on the "goings on" related thereto. Thank you!

There is no need for us to attack each other personally; for me....this seems to be one of the more "sane" places left in this crazy world...let's keep it that way! :heart:

Thank you, Foxie Loxie (and waves) about the observation perspective. Combine that with Valerie Villars intuitive downloads and that inner feeling of knowing, and we get discernment.

Furthermore, I'm practicing focusing on intentions and inspired action and taking responsibility for actively participating in the forward, good willed momentum. I guess it's kind of like that saying, be the change you want to see in the world. :luv:

I'm practicing the principles in the Genius Rising: The Science of Consciousness thread.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101686-Genius-Rising-The-Science-of-Consciousness&p=1245230&viewfull=1#post1245230
And I pray and meditate. I feel the spirit behind things, and when people work together to uncover the truth, I feel the spirit of cooperation. That's the feeling I get on this thread and on this forum when we share what we have learned and the sources of that information.

We're not victims; we are creators. This all has purpose. I'm just grateful for using this experience to become better and express my highest potential. I'm authentic and sincere as I express these ideas. They are from my heart. :heart:

Some things are potential puzzle pieces, while others are documented facts. Mixed in with all of that we have opinions and speculation. There are a lot of good ideas to sift through. And some, not so good. But truth is always good. And we can face that head on. :yes4:

That's why I like the documentation the best. Clues can lead to documentation. I don't like to interpret or speculate as much as I like to put what things surface as documented facts together. There's sort of a structure being built with these facts...it's the whole truth that is coming to the light of our awareness.

I'm really looking forward to the documentation that is due to come out tomorrow (from the Weaponization of the intelligence community thread). That's going to take a lot of guessing and speculation out of the puzzle and piece together the truth.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104116-The-weaponization-of-the-US-intelligence-community-120-agency-insiders-now-speak-out&p=1245971&viewfull=1#post1245971

So, observation and inner knowing IS where science :sun:and spirituality :star:meet, and that's where we find that common ground on this forum. At least, that is my perspective.

All the best to all! :heart:
MM

[Bill Ryan]

"q said":
Free Iran!!!
Fight
Fight
Fight
Regime change.
People have the power.
We stand with you.
Q.

I guess those words have different connotations to different generations. My generation didn’t have as an extensive commie-vision indoctrination that the senior generation has had to shake off.

My interpretation of the Q-post above, which I assumed to be self-evident given the context of the Q-drops:

Free Iran!!! (Keep Iran free from the Ziocons who want to initiate a pretext for regime change in Iran)
Fight, fight, fight (resist)
Regime change (resist the nonsense propoganda pushed by the mainstream media who are advocating regime change in Iran)
People have power (truth is more powerful than than the lies fed by mainstream media)
We stand with you (we stand with truth)



~~~

It might have been intended to mean:

Fight fight fight regime change.

And of course, I'd support that. We very probably all would.

But you see, here's the problem. In the many explanations offered on this thread since Dennis raised the question, no-one proposed that interpretation. I had to come up with it myself. :)

But, proposal of interpretations shouldn't be necessary. Talk about a recipe for conflict, group-splitting and time-wasting.

You see, folks, this is a one-way mirror. There's no-one to interview, no-one to ask for clarification or more info, no-one's credentials or background to check.

No provenance, no documentation, not even (as in the famous 1988 UFO Cover-up Live (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUgTDXZAElw) Condor-Falcon mystery) a silhouetted male head and a disguised voice on a documentary film.

One might be forgiven for suspecting that the effect on the community is intended. Anyone who wanted to be clear, would be clear.

Who might want to generate


passion
hope
belief
tens of millions of person-hours of unproductive time

division
argument between friends?

[norman]

"q said":
Free Iran!!!
Fight
Fight
Fight
Regime change.
People have the power.
We stand with you.
Q.

I guess those words have different connotations to different generations. My generation didn’t have as an extensive commie-vision indoctrination that the senior generation has had to shake off.

My interpretation of the Q-post above, which I assumed to be self-evident given the context of the Q-drops:

Free Iran!!! (Keep Iran free from the Ziocons who want to initiate a pretext for regime change in Iran)
Fight, fight, fight (resist)
Regime change (resist the nonsense propoganda pushed by the mainstream media who are advocating regime change in Iran)
People have power (truth is more powerful than than the lies fed by mainstream media)
We stand with you (we stand with truth)



~~~

It might have been intended to mean:

Fight fight fight regime change.

And of course, I'd support that. We very probably all would.

But you see, here's the problem. In the many explanations offered on this thread since Dennis raised the question, no-one proposed that interpretation. I had to come up with it myself. :)

But, proposal of interpretations shouldn't be necessary. Talk about a recipe for conflict, group-splitting and time-wasting.

You see, folks, this is a one-way mirror. There's no-one to interview, no-one to ask for clarification or more info, no-one's credentials or background to check.

No provenance, no documentation, not even (as in the famous 1988 UFO Cover-up Live (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUgTDXZAElw) Condor-Falcon mystery) a silhouetted male head and a disguised voice on a documentary film.

One might be forgiven for suspecting that the effect on the community is intended. Anyone who wanted to be clear, would be clear.

Who might want to generate



passion
hope
belief
tens of millions of person-hours of unproductive time

division
argument between friends?





Of course, there's the other way of looking at it.



What you are asking for is for Q to shoot himself in the foot and give power to his enemies to mess with him.


While we may or may not need proof of who he is, his enemies definitely need proof of who he is. Are we going to hand that to them on a plate ?


I'll just keep on tracking the Q crumbs and look for signs that something good is happening. I hope the CNN types don't ever find out who he is. Imagine the mess that would unleash.

[enigma3]

What I see here is a war unlike any war that has ever been fought before. That in itself creates cognitive dissonance big time. Because this "war" is being fought largely behind the scenes, we cannot see it outright. that causes frustration, which is a theme here. Frustration because it is not being played out right in front of our eyes.

Before the big drops come the stage must be prepared. Otherwise the plan may fail due to lack of preparation. What is that preparation? Slow releases of damnable intelligence that will make people think twice about putting Hillary or Hussein, etc, on a pedestal. If the ground under your feet begins to feel a little mushy because your cherished paradigm has been dented you may just listen to the big drops without such accumulated bias. That is happening now albeit at a faster pace. Good cooking is 80% preparation.

The other major factor is that, as Q has stated, the good guys have to adhere to the law. And the law does not allow for the release of classified information, as most of this is. So the Q team must tread lightly in what information is released, what format is used and how much is released at any given time. Thus we have "bread crumbs" and the much used phrase - you already have more than you need.

The rules of the game are new here. We are truly in uncharted territory. I have read all the MegaAnon and Q posts. It is my understanding that this is a plan that has been upwards of 10 years in the making. The white hats are attempting to bring down the Deep State using the Deep State playbook where things are done totally behind the scenes. Example: I believe it was a study from Stanford released about 3 years ago which empirically stated that since 1970, and factoring in inflation, the average worker's salary in the US has gone up $56!!! since 1970. Let that one bake awhile. The Deep Staters have dumbed down wages for almost 50 years now. And done completely behind the scenes. Using the Fed and Congress to do their dirty work. As usual, we don't get to know that until after the fact. Q, and the rest of the "team" are turning the playbook back on them! With as little sabre rattling and loss of life as they can manage. Brilliant.

For the doubters, just dig into any number of events that have transpired since Q has begun posting. Take the missile launch from Ketron Island hoping to take down Air Force 1. Look into the details and the response. Classic Deep State war games vs the white hats. Fascinating. Look into the slow motion purge of the FBI and DOJ. Classic. The flyover of Trump's golf course in Scotland and the White hats response sending a plane to Little Rock. Classic. When I talk to Hillary supporters or those who do not follow Q, they have NO idea those bad actors were purged en masse or that Skull and Bones did the Scotland caper.

This is truly an attempt to do what JFK tried to do and failed. The Deep Staters should have known the war was on as soon as Adm Mike Rogers went to Trump Tower to brief the Trump team on the FISA spying 3 days after the election. Bold and gutsy are not strong enough words to describe the coup. We are witnessing the most brazen, calculated political act I have seen in my many years walking this planet. History in the making. We are now close to the first big reveal - the unredacted IG report, right in front of our eyes, on the FISA abuses. My hat is off to them, my prayers are with them. May they be successful beyond my wildest speculations. What a time to be alive!

[Bill Ryan]

What you are asking for is for Q to shoot himself in the foot and give power to his enemies to mess with him.

While we may or may not need proof of who he is, his enemies definitely need proof of who he is. Are we going to hand that to them on a plate ?


Norman, do you really think that the NSA doesn't know every detail of his/her/their life, every minute of every day?

[norman]

What you are asking for is for Q to shoot himself in the foot and give power to his enemies to mess with him.

While we may or may not need proof of who he is, his enemies definitely need proof of who he is. Are we going to hand that to them on a plate ?


Norman, do you really think that the NSA doesn't know every detail of his/her/their life, every minute of every day?


Yes, the NSA knows everything but a good question would be who's side are they on, these days. According to Q, the NSA is firmly with Trump.

[Satori]

I found these questions most interesting (https://grayseconomy.com/2018/09/06/kavanaughs-gitmo-answer/). Of all the points of constitutional law to bring up to question him on the application of military law as it pertains to enemy combatants was most telling.

Yes, I did find it quite invigorating, as per your linked article. I felt like someone actually cared about this country, the law and it's people.

I did not get the impression that Graham's questions along those lines were meant to assure us that only the swamp critters will be the ones subject to military tribunals. I may be wrong, but I got the sense that he was exploring whether Kavanaugh would rule in favor of upholding the decisions of military tribunals regardless of who might be subjected to such procedures. Or, is Kavanaugh opposed to military tribunals for non-military persons, i.e., civilians, in favor of the more traditional criminal law process where theoretically all constitutional protections apply to the accused.

That is, Graham was exploring whether Kavanaugh would rule against the decisions of any military tribunal asserting criminal jurisdiction over any non-military personnel purely on the ground that he believes that such jurisdiction is unconstitutional as a matter of law?

In my experience, it can be difficult to accurately predict what any judge or Justice (so-called) will do until an actual case and controversy comes before them and they make a decision.

So, what I'm saying is that military tribunals will not be just for the swamp critters. Once you open that "Box of Pandoras", its open.

[norman]

. . . . It is my understanding that this is a plan that has been upwards of 10 years in the making. . . . .






I think it's been banged around with and shelved and reworked for several decades.


It makes sense that it had to get this dangerously close to the endgame for all the evidence and incrimination to become clear enough to have clout in the process of nailing them.

[Valerie Villars]

What you are asking for is for Q to shoot himself in the foot and give power to his enemies to mess with him.

While we may or may not need proof of who he is, his enemies definitely need proof of who he is. Are we going to hand that to them on a plate ?


Norman, do you really think that the NSA doesn't know every detail of his/her/their life, every minute of every day?

This reminds me of something my cousin's husband said. He has been in Naval Intelligence for a long time. I think he retired not too long ago, but he was stationed overseas in Italy. We were at his wife's dad's funeral.

My other cousin asked about the NSA and he said "Do you really think the NSA has time to track every person?" And "We have to get Trump out of office."

It made me wonder just who's side he was on.

I also remember Mark Passio, a former satanist saying that though he didn't agree with their philosophy's any more, that he had great respect for the fact they are extremely well organized and cohesive.

I think we are seeing the white hat version of organization and cohesion. IMO of course.

[edina]

I found these questions most interesting (https://grayseconomy.com/2018/09/06/kavanaughs-gitmo-answer/). Of all the points of constitutional law to bring up to question him on the application of military law as it pertains to enemy combatants was most telling.

Yes, I did find it quite invigorating, as per your linked article. I felt like someone actually cared about this country, the law and it's people.

I did not get the impression that Graham's questions along those lines were meant to assure us that only the swamp critters will be the ones subject to military tribunals. I may be wrong, but I got the sense that he was exploring whether Kavanaugh would rule in favor of upholding the decisions of military tribunals regardless of who might be subjected to such procedures. Or, is Kavanaugh opposed to military tribunals for non-military persons, i.e., civilians, in favor of the more traditional criminal law process where theoretically all constitutional protections apply to the accused.

That is, Graham was exploring whether Kavanaugh would rule against the decisions of any military tribunal asserting criminal jurisdiction over any non-military personnel purely on the ground that he believes that such jurisdiction is unconstitutional as a matter of law?

In my experience, it can be difficult to accurately predict what any judge or Justice (so-called) will do until an actual case and controversy comes before them and they make a decision.

So, what I'm saying is that military tribunals will not be just for the swamp critters. Once you open that "Box of Pandoras", its open.

I felt Lindsey Graham's military law questions and statements was about less probing into Brett Kavanuagh's position and more about making a statement on the public record under the guise of asking questions. Lindsay Graham made it quite clear throughout his hearing that he supported Brett Kavanaugh's confirmation to the Supreme Court. He alluded to how the behavior expressed by others in the hearing is not the norm.

But, this statement from him, seemed to me to be the crux of what he wanted to accomplish with that line of questioning (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-a---Very-Bad-Day---Scenario-for-some-elite-swamp-critters--Nov-2017-and-beyond-&p=1246295&viewfull=1#post1246295).


LG: So if anybody doubts, there's a long-standing history in this country that your constitutional rights follow you wherever you go but you don't have a constitutional right to turn on your own government, and collaborate with the enemy of the nation. You'll be treated differently. What's the name of the case, if you can recall, that reaffirmed the concept that you could hold one of our own is an enemy combatant if they were engaged in terrorist activities in Afghanistan, are you familiar with that case ?
BK: Yeah, Hamdi. (Hamdi v Rumsfeld)
LG: Okay. So the bottom line is, on every American citizen; know you have constitutional rights but you do not have a constitutional right to collaborate with the enemy. There's a body of law well developed long before 9/11 that understood the difference between basic criminal law and the Law Of Armed Conflict (LOAC) pdf. Do you understand those differences?
BK: I do understand that they're different bodies of law, of course, Senator.

When he made these statements he was no longer looking at Brett Kavanaugh, he was addressing the broader audience.

This statement, in effect, brought these points into the public record, and public awareness.

This would be the "what". As to his intent, the "why" he did this, that's open for speculation.

[TargeT]

What you are asking for is for Q to shoot himself in the foot and give power to his enemies to mess with him.

While we may or may not need proof of who he is, his enemies definitely need proof of who he is. Are we going to hand that to them on a plate ?


Norman, do you really think that the NSA doesn't know every detail of his/her/their life, every minute of every day?

I think your over estimating (or perhaps, underestimating Q?) the NSA.

They do "snort" up all comms, filtering and processing those is a far far different matter... (very difficult to sort through exabytes of data)

Plus one of the hardest things to do in Incident Response (threat hunting, pen testing etc..) is attribution... which means it's very easy to hide where you source from if you try to do it, especially if your jumping through non-extradition countries, or countries like Brazil that have next to zero "cyber" laws.




LG: So if anybody doubts, there's a long-standing history in this country that your constitutional rights follow you wherever you go but you don't have a constitutional right to turn on your own government, and collaborate with the enemy of the nation. You'll be treated differently. What's the name of the case, if you can recall, that reaffirmed the concept that you could hold one of our own is an enemy combatant if they were engaged in terrorist activities in Afghanistan, are you familiar with that case ?
BK: Yeah, Hamdi. (Hamdi v Rumsfeld)
LG: Okay. So the bottom line is, on every American citizen; know you have constitutional rights but you do not have a constitutional right to collaborate with the enemy. There's a body of law well developed long before 9/11 that understood the difference between basic criminal law and the Law Of Armed Conflict (LOAC) pdf. Do you understand those differences?
BK: I do understand that they're different bodies of law, of course, Senator.

When he made these statements he was no longer looking at Brett Kavanaugh, he was addressing the broader audience.

This statement, in effect, brought these points into the public record, and public awareness.

This would be the "what". As to his intent, the "why" he did this, that's open for speculation.

That was my take as well.

[edina]

The unsung heroes in this saga, because it's not been brought into public awareness, but the people who follow Q know, are Admiral Rogers and General Flynn.

They wrestled control of the NSA from the criminal elements of the Deep State. And this has made all the difference.

It's why Trump is still alive, for example.

In addition to Q, almost every Deep State insider (whistle blower) has talked about this.

[edina]

The value of having an awareness of the two distinct bodies of law, and of the particular questioning by Lindsey Graham is that as events unfold we have a deeper understanding of the underlying processes.

This information is not being covered by the so-called Free Press. Many people will feel blind-sided if they begin seeing the people they are being told to trust going to jail and being prosecuted, possibly under military law, for treason and such.

Dave Janda has specifically name John Brennan, as an example.

It's helpful to have this information under your belt, or in the side pocket of your mind. If for no other reason than your own sanity.
And possibly, to help others with their sanity. The cognitive disconnect for some people may very well be mind-blowing.

[edina]

What you are asking for is for Q to shoot himself in the foot and give power to his enemies to mess with him.

While we may or may not need proof of who he is, his enemies definitely need proof of who he is. Are we going to hand that to them on a plate ?


Norman, do you really think that the NSA doesn't know every detail of his/her/their life, every minute of every day?

I think your over estimating (or perhaps, underestimating Q?) the NSA.

They do "snort" up all comms, filtering and processing those is a far far different matter... (very difficult to sort through exabytes of data)

Plus one of the hardest things to do in Incident Response (threat hunting, pen testing etc..) is attribution... which means it's very easy to hide where you source from if you try to do it, especially if your jumping through non-extradition countries, or countries like Brazil that have next to zero "cyber" laws.



One of points that comes to mind as I read this is that earlier this summer there was the discussion of getting the "keystone" from the Queen. This seemed to be related to Snowden in some way.

This seemed to be the cipher or code that the Queen used to control others. Algorithm. I'm trying to find the posts that talk about this. (I'll post it/them here when I find them.)

It seems this is now in the hands of the Q-Team, the people associated with Admiral Mike Rogers. And why they have leverage over the "bad"/"criminal" actors in the UK.

[edina]

I just had a thought and want to throw this out there, has this come up before?

Do you think Godfather III is a code for Paysuer?

[RunningDeer]

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/write.gif By comparison to the regulars on the thread, I’m a slacker and a data collector. I catch many of the vids on my YouTube feed and bookmarked sites. As some have pointed out, the format is too ambiguous and like the whistleblower type threads, it’s all speculation in the end.

(I’m blue avian/whistleblower overdosed. http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/boink.gif)

I like prayingmedic. His voice is soothing and he’s informative. But this morning, I couldn’t click off fast enough @ 4:04 (https://youtu.be/h5elIvBf0X0?t=4m5s) where he read off a string of why? what? for what? how? how many? where? where is? did? and when? It was from a November 2, 2017 review. Unfortunately, the question, question, question format set the tone early on. What reinforced this were people across the forums, the websites and the vids all sounded the same. They spoke in question-tongue; it was all too A.I. for me.

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/anger-pull-hair.gif

https://i.imgur.com/9ta3GhF.jpg

Most important and the reason for this ::off topic: post, there’s a fine line between debate and scratches down the back. Nothin’ personal. It’s an area I’m working on. I admire how you speak your mind when it’s respectfully done. For me, THAT IS the education that fills in some interpersonal communication gaps.

(introvert hermit…shhh…our secret) Sooooo http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/thankyou-pole2.gif

Video by prayingmedic: "Qanon September 5 - Alice and Wonderland (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5elIvBf0X0)"

♡

[Foxie Loxie]

Yes! Education! If we are here solely to try to convert others to our way of thinking....as I understand it, Avalon is not about that.

This is one of the last "sane" communities on the planet....let's keep it that way! :heart:

[KiwiElf]

Compelling argument for who Q is/has been. If true, I'm not sure what to think about the dichotomy if really not a Trump or military insider - the enormous positives in terms of awareness raising and getting people to talk and connect dots... in the same place as what would then be very repetitive false hope and cult cultivating aspects.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZv0_ZT50Oc&ab_channel=TheKevBakerShow

Current top comment under this video:

"I used to think Qanon was a LARP until I started actually following Qanon and verifying all of the "Q proofs" for myself. It's statistically impossible for Qanon to be a LARP and those insisting it is without actually following Q is doing a disservice to other truthers. The fact that the liberal fakestream propaganda media has invested so much time and resources into trying to deter people from following Qanon, just makes me believe in its legitimacy even more. Don't just take anyone's word for it, check it out for yourself!"

Nyah nyah nyah nyah take that? Completely ignoring my non-critical comment or the actual point of the video - the evidence for Q's identity(s)?

To respond to that video with that and nothing else - which has zero to do with any of the content - feels like a rush to cherrypick a comment against it without even watching.

That behavior is even supports what else the video is about. The narrator is noticing the rush-to-defend-one's-blind-belief cultish behavior Q followers are exhibiting.

I'm still in observation not belief, just watching and/or offering puzzle pieces, and I pointed out the truly great positives despite the possible deceit.

Again, I thought the evidence in the early part of the video pointed out reasonable evidence concerning Brower and the significance of the moment Q's posts changed from 4chan to 8chan and I find Kev to be one of the more agenda-less hosts not easily convinced but open-minded.

LMAO. :ROFL: Triggered much? :idea: You're making a lot of WRONG assumptions there! I added that to complement what you had posted (and it's still the top comment btw). I hardly had to cherry pick it! Maybe you missed this bit:

"Don't just take anyone's word for it, check it out for yourself!". And I agree with that comment btw.

If you'd been paying attention, this was all thrashed out (on this thread), when Alex Jones & Corsi lost it months ago. (And Yes, I had watched it - when it was live - thanks).

Wow. 2278 views, so far. (Not getting a lot of support, is it?) This thread is doing better.

Try to keep up. :)

[KiwiElf]

Latest "Q" posts, #2096 - 2101, (these drops are from https://qanon.app/ so the numbers jump from what was previously posted - I'll add updates to this post over the next few hours - KE)

https://qanon.app/

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Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: 253002 No.2906216 📁
Sep 6 2018 14:35:38 (EST)

Anonymous ID: 4da534 No.2905624 📁
Sep 6 2018 13:49:38 (EST)
Prosecutors use grand jury as investigation of Andrew McCabe intensifies


Federal prosecutors have for months been using a grand jury to investigate former FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe — an indication the probe into whether he misled officials exploring his role in a controversial media disclosure has intensified, two people familiar with the matter said.

The grand jury has summoned more than one witness, the people said, and the case is ongoing. The people declined to identify those who had been called to testify.

The presence of the grand jury shows prosecutors are treating the matter seriously, locking in the accounts of witnesses who might later have to testify at a trial. But such panels are sometimes used only as investigative tools, and it remains unclear if McCabe will ultimately be charged.

A spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office in D.C., which has been handling the probe, declined to comment, as did a spokeswoman for McCabe.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/prosecutors-use-grand-jury-as-investigation-of-andrew-mccabe-intensifies/2018/09/06/aa922b2e-b137-11e8-9a6a-565d92a3585d_story.html?utm_term=.fad3ec121ae6

>>2905624
Read between the lines.
[March 22]
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/22/goodlatte-subpoenas-doj-for-documents-related-to-clinton-email-probe-fisa-abuses.html
“We are individually reviewing the remaining documents to ensure that they do not include grand jury information, information about ongoing law enforcement actions involving American citizens, or privileged attorney-client communications,” Prior said.
Per today:
"Federal prosecutors have for months been using a grand jury…"
You didn't think nothing was HAPPENING did you?
Q
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Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: 0960b4 No.2906399 📁
Sep 6 2018 14:46:32 (EST)
>>2904064
1/Billion Coincidence?
Enjoy the show tonight.
Q
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Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: 02b17c No.2907565 📁
Sep 6 2018 16:00:31 (EST)

Anonymous ID: 3a80bb No.2907383 📁
Sep 6 2018 15:49:28 (EST)
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HEADS UP: Nationwide Emergency Alert System Test Planned - breaking911.com/heads-up-natio…

>>2907383
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Why, before each rally, are 'threats' now being called in re: 'Q' attendees [effort to prevent…]?
Why are bots and/or paid shills tasked to down vote and/or 'shill' 'Q' discussion boards?
Why is FAKE NEWS media attacking this movement in strategic/coordinated waves [similar anti-POTUS tactics?]?
ALL FOR A CONSPIRACY?
WHAT ARE THEY AFRAID OF?
HOW MANY COINCIDENCES BEFORE IT IS MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE?
THE WORLD IS WATCHING.
THE WORLD IS CHANGING.
WWG1WGA!
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BREAKING: Twitter Bans Alex Jones Permanently After Ambush on Jack Dorse
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/09/breaking-twitter-bans-alex-jones-for-ambush-on-jack-dorsey/

Sep 06 2018 18:11:57
Q !!mG7VJxZNCI
2908527
>>2908303
There is a lot more to this than you realize.
Think 'collective' attacks v. 'Q'
Q
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Sep 06 2018 18:22:54
Anonymous
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>>2908527

>There is a lot more to this than you realize.
>Think 'collective' attacks v. 'Q'

They 'attack' AJ to give him fake credibility amongst POTUS supporting Patriots, thus poisoning the water and directing narrative of the 'opposition' through a MOS supported asset aka AJ.
All team effort, coordinated 'collective' attacks with pawns and actors serving black hat agenda and attempting to control/divide the Patriots.

>Attacks will come from ALL sides.

Sep 06 2018 19:08:46
Q !!mG7VJxZNCI
2909418
>>2908723
Control & Divide.
Think Mueller.
Who is testifying before Mueller tomorrow?
Forensic data analysis on phone(s) and/or computers?
This is not about Guccifer 2.0.
What happens if Mueller 'proves' 'Free Speech Systems LLC' aka 'InfoWars' is linked to a Foreign Intel Agency or other Non_Domestic entity?
How can the 'LEFT' use that information to DIVIDE and CENSOR the RIGHT?
Why are affiliates of InfoWars constantly attacking 'Q'?
Who is pulling the strings?
[----------]>>>[Free Speech Systems LLC]
Q
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[edina]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnQ0FBQILVY
A call to declassify... https://qanon.app/?q=declass

In the spirit of considering the Q posts in terms of "Future Proves Past" here's a couple more posts where Q informed us in advance of what is now enfolding in the news. (Documentation)

39029

39030
https://mobile.twitter.com/Jim_Jordan/status/996821093146120192

39031

[KiwiElf]

Dorsey Admits Twitter "Unfairly" Shadowbanned 600,000 Accounts

by Tyler Durden
Thu, 09/06/2018 - 15:39

Full article at link

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-06/dorsey-admits-twitter-unfairly-shadowbanned-600000-accounts

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Apparently Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey is growing tired of insisting that Twitter's algorithm is purely "impartial" and doesn't discriminate against conservative voices.

As the controversy surrounding Twitter's blatant shadow-banning of conservative voices continues to rage, Dorsey admitted to lawmakers that his platform "unfairly" reduced the visibility of 600,000 accounts, including some members of Congress. But he refused to say whether a majority of them were Democrats or Republicans, only saying that the issues were remedied in late July.

Mr Dorsey told senators that the platform used "hundreds of signals" to decide "what to show, down-rank and filter."

"We do not shadow-ban anyone based on political ideology," he said.

"It was unfair," said Mr Dorsey. "We corrected it."

Dorsey told Senators that the platform used "hundreds of signals" to decide "what to show, down-rank and filter".


Full article at link

[Jayke]

~~~

It might have been intended to mean:

Fight fight fight regime change.

And of course, I'd support that. We very probably all would.

But you see, here's the problem. In the many explanations offered on this thread since Dennis raised the question, no-one proposed that interpretation. I had to come up with it myself. :)

But, proposal of interpretations shouldn't be necessary. Talk about a recipe for conflict, group-splitting and time-wasting.

You see, folks, this is a one-way mirror. There's no-one to interview, no-one to ask for clarification or more info, no-one's credentials or background to check.

No provenance, no documentation, not even (as in the famous 1988 UFO Cover-up Live (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUgTDXZAElw) Condor-Falcon mystery) a silhouetted male head and a disguised voice on a documentary film.

One might be forgiven for suspecting that the effect on the community is intended. Anyone who wanted to be clear, would be clear.

Who might want to generate


passion
hope
belief
tens of millions of person-hours of unproductive time

division
argument between friends?



The emergent dynamics don’t match up to it being a divide and conquer campaign. Divide and conquer creates balkanisation within a group that was formerly cohesive. The cryptic and confusing nature of the Q-drops are targeted to appeal to a specific character archetype, to bring cohesion within a specific layer of the social order that hasn’t been formerly organised. Dr Steve Turley is one of the best, evidence-based, geopolitical analysts, who tracks the emerging trends of this new archetypal organisational structure, ‘the network society’ as he calls it.

gppR4CCxY6k

The Q-drops are just one aspect of a cultural paradigm shift taking place. New organisational structures are emerging as a direct result of the Q followers coming together, sharing information, and exploring puzzle pieces. That’s not time wasted, and it’s not balkanisation — it’s quite the opposite — it’s rather profound!

To briefly explain the dynamics that I do see being utilised...

If you read a list of Jesus’s parables, how many of those metaphors have agricultural implications? Sowers of seed etc. It was known that in order to plant seeds of change, the surface layer had to be tilled — a little chaos has to be thrown into the mix in order for a message to sink beneath the superficial layer of consciousness, and take root.

Milton Erickson was one of the greatest hypnotherapists who ever lived. His primary technique for getting past the critical factor of his clients was ‘confusion’. The entire Milton model (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methods_of_neuro-linguistic_programming) taught in NLP is just a tool to create confusion in clients. Confusion promotes curiosity, curiosity promotes questioning, questioning opens the door for new possibilities to be observed.

The Zen masters used Zen Koans (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kōan) (little riddles, confusing stories and enigmatic dialogues) designed to create “the great doubt”, which again is a confusion-based technique that helps pry open the cognitive processes for new insights to emerge.

Zen Koans! Milton Ericksons linguistic gymnastics! The parables of
Jesus...they can all be interpreted in a multitude of different ways, that doesn’t stop them from being any less insightful or beneficial to earnest seekers in search of wisdom and self-development.

I’ve said it before, in different threads, the Q-drops are definitely a psy-op, but not all operations are malicious, some operations are healing, therapeutic or cathartic. The Q-material doesn’t follow the pattern for a divide and conquer psy-op. It follows the pattern for collective therapy. In preparation for a collective paradigm shift — (in my purely subjective interpretation of global trends at least :blushing: “the world is thy mirror” as the saying goes)

[KiwiElf]

Brilliant.(video above). Cheers, Jayke. :happythumbsup: :beer:

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[KiwiElf]

Rep. Jim Jordan

"We're calling on President Trump to declassify the Carter Page FISA applications and other key documents.
It's time for the American people to get the full story"

https://twitter.com/Jim_Jordan?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

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Sep 06 2018 15:46:32
Q !!mG7VJxZNCI
2906399
>>2904064
1/Billion Coincidence?
Enjoy the show tonight.
Q
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Could this be referring to the Montana Rally tonight? :sherlock:

[KiwiElf]

I just had a thought and want to throw this out there, has this come up before?

Do you think Godfather III is a code for Paysuer?

Could quite possibly be, edina. Seems to be implicating Paysuer as pulling Soro's strings? ;)

[KiwiElf]

Latest "Q" post #2102 - 2104, (click to enlarge images or go directly to links below - this is a mish-mash of both, https://qanon.app/ is still playing up & lagging a bit)

https://qanonposts.com/
https://qanon.app/

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Q !!mG7VJxZNCI No.196 📁
Sep 6 2018 18:25:13 (EST)
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1037809606364418049📁
This is called 'PANIC'.
Q
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Sep 06 2018 19:14:04
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>>2909418 (Q lb)
>[Free Speech Systems LLC]
[iiiiiiiiiiii]>>>[Free Speech Systems LLC]
^^^ 12 spaces ?

Sep 06 2018 19:37:56
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>>2909503
Follow the picture.
"Jerome Corsi who I outed as a Mossad asset/agent in a 1997 sting operation in London. Corsi and Piper Jaffray broker Brad Ahmundson were integral to a fraud that took Minnesota investors for $1 million that the FBI refused to properly investigate. Instead, agents sought to portray me as responsible. Corsi is named as the author of several best-selling Israeli psy-ops books, including Unfit for Command (2004), Atomic Iran (2005), Minutemen (2006), The Obama Nation (2008)."
Q
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Q !!mG7VJxZNCI No.197 📁
Sep 6 2018 18:56:23 (EST)
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VIP Patriots!
We see you.
Q
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[turiya]

I'm just not that interested in what frequently seems to be near-endless, unproductive speculation, but that might draw to a close quite soon. (See Kev Baker's interesting new video (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=1246170#post1246170).)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZv0_ZT50Oc&ab_channel=TheKevBakerShow

Talk about "near endless, unproductive speculation"...The only people that need convincing are those that do not trust their own instincts, their own sensitivities, and are dependent on others to tell them in which direction they should move.

I, for one, do not have the need to listen to what Kev Baker & whatever guests he has on, as far as what they think the Q phenomenon is about - a larp, a Deep State psy-op, a bunch of internet hackers, a fat guy on a couch somewhere in New Zealand (no offense Kiwi :) )... Or whether Trump is a stooge for the cabal, a Hillary Clinton plant, or working for the mafia, Russian mafia, the Jesuits, the Zionists.... a member of the KKK, a television star turned politician... such accusations will probably go on ad nauseam forever.


You see, folks, this is a one-way mirror. There's no-one to interview, no-one to ask for clarification or more info, no-one's credentials or background to check.

No provenance, no documentation, not even (as in the famous 1988 UFO Cover-up Live Condor-Falcon mystery) a silhouetted male head and a disguised voice on a documentary film.

Well, when you come into this world, there is no roadmap to follow, either. Sure you can find people to ask, but would you trust them to know? One, more or less, figures things out for onself, in this reality, anyways.

And, speaking of one-way mirrors - that's what the Deep State is.... along with the Illuminati, the many secret societies, all the intel agencies, the promoters of the NWO, who is behind the Chemtrails, the MSM & all the anonymous 'sources' that they come up with, providing their information to the corporate news outlets. We're just suppose to accept whatever they say as being true, as well. No one is there to say if its true or not. We're just suppose to 'believe'. That's a bit cultish in itself, don't you think.

There's plenty of people I encountered at the gym I go to that get quite upset if you turn off CNN news channel from the big screen TVs. - Damn them cultists. There everywhere!

And, would you believe the MSM, after all, anyway. There is no one there to ask for clarification on what they spew out, either...

Q anon is just a hoax.... Everyone who follows Q is told that they are just a conspiracy theorist... That's what the MSM is now 'hot' on the trail of pushing - Qanon is just a conspiracy theory.

Hey Bill, come to think of it, it seems you're starting to sound more & more like the MSM (Main Stream Media). Why stop at the term 'cult' or 'cultists'. Perhaps you would just like to call us just a bunch of 'deplorables', and be done with it.... Oh yeah, I forget, somebody has already used that one. Ahhhh, but that would be showing colors - political colors - Its better not go so far, eh?

I suppose that you would really rather not have the PA forum to be seen as taking on any one side of the political spectrum. And I can't blame you for that. Its better off to be an open forum, as middle-of-the-road forum as possible, isn't that correct (as in 'politically' :) )? As, Kiwi has pointed out, as popular as this particular thread has been, (number of hits / time period), it has been noted that this particular thread has never been shown to be listed in the category of Most Viewed (last 30 days) threads.

That in itself could be a political indicator of sorts, imo.
Just saying....

I personally don't have a problem with how you choose to administer the PA forum. Just a point of observation. Which I suggest that anybody can do - simple observation - in what is taking place. There is no need to get in a huff over what 'regime change' means. Observation will end up showing what it means. Just watch & see how it will unfold.

No need to decide on what direction to take on Q or anything else, for that matter. Simple observation is enough of a tool that anyone & everyone can use for themselves. And that simple observation will ultimately be the decision maker that sits behind the curtain observing whatever passes in front of each of us. It doesn't even take any effort to be a witness to what is taking place. Simple observation is enough to eventually answer whatever question that one has about most anything.

:POPCORN

[norman]

If we are all completely fooled by Q, then so be it. We Trumpians will get swept away by Avalon history and a new active posting group of members will dare to come out and enliven a whole new era of Avalon chatter that cultivates new hopes and directions.

[KiwiElf]

Thanks Turiya,:happythumbsup:

None (offense) taken. :ROFL: (I'm not related to the "fat guy on a couch somewhere in NZ") LOL.

Kev Baker's content in the above video re "Q" is both old & debunked, along with Alex Jones, "Zak", Corsi & Dark Journalist's UNinformed opinions on the subject. "Q"ueless?

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I'd add to that; Avalon itself (& its members) are also seen as a "cult" site by some - just sayin' ... :whistle:

:popcorn:

SUGGESTION: Why don't you "anti- "Q" people start your own thread????? :idea: :nod:

[edina]

Latest "Q" post #2102 - (click to enlarge images or go directly to links below - this is a mish-mash of both, https://qanon.app/ is still playing up & lagging a bit)

https://qanonposts.com/
https://qanon.app/

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>>2909418 (Q lb)
>[Free Speech Systems LLC]
[iiiiiiiiiiii]>>>[Free Speech Systems LLC]
^^^ 12 spaces ?

Sep 06 2018 19:37:56
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>>2909503
Follow the picture.
"Jerome Corsi who I outed as a Mossad asset/agent in a 1997 sting operation in London. Corsi and Piper Jaffray broker Brad Ahmundson were integral to a fraud that took Minnesota investors for $1 million that the FBI refused to properly investigate. Instead, agents sought to portray me as responsible. Corsi is named as the author of several best-selling Israeli psy-ops books, including Unfit for Command (2004), Atomic Iran (2005), Minutemen (2006), The Obama Nation (2008)."
Q
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This recent information on Alex Jones (AJ) is confirming information I gleaned from another source regarding a question as to who is the funding source of AJ.

It's looking more and more like MOSSAD. I don't know exactly how I feel about this. I've never watched much of Alex Jones, but so many people have. It's almost like he's been a fixture in the Alternative Media. (Kinda like Bill and Avalon.)

I tracked the image with Corsi down, to this page...

https://hiddentaxonhumanity.com/hidden-tax-on-humanity/chapter-5-the-poland-connection/

... for anyone who wants to follow up on this.


Jerome Corsi—His Payoff

Corsi continued to perform as an Israeli agent. In return for his role in stalking me, he was made into a best-selling author of a series of books written to advance Israel’s long-term agenda. Those books include Unfit for Command—Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry (2004). This book was published to help undermine the presidential campaign of Senator John Kerry and keep George W. Bush in office following the disputed 2000 presidential when the Supreme Court ruled Bush the victor. Those who produced the Bush presidency wanted this dysfunctional Christian Zionist in office to take the U.S. to war in reaction to the provocation of 9/11 reliant on intelligence fixed around Tel Aviv’s agenda. The U.S. invaded a nation that played no role in 9/11 as pre-staging to reignite an ancient Shia/Sunni conflict that allied Israel with the Sunni-dominant Gulf States against Shia-dominant Iran.

As part of a long-term “preparing the minds” agenda, in 2005, he published Atomic Iran: How The Terrorist Regime Bought the Bomb and American Politicians. That was followed in 2008 by The Obama Nation—Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality that both played to the nation’s racist sentiments and pre-staged the election eight years later of rightwing candidate Donald Trump whose presidency was produced by a cadre of extremist pro-Israelis from the messianic Hasidic Chabad Lubavitch sect. Reverting to the Iran theme, in 2009 he published Why Israel Can’t Wait – The Coming War Between Israel and Iran followed in 2018 by Killing the Deep State—The Fight to Save Donald Trump’s Presidency (2018) to divert attention from the fact that Israel is the Deep State.

Hmmm..... almost like the Q team has been reading recent posts here.

Introducing Israel into the Q-post mix....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=39012&d=1536206337&thumb=1

[Omni]

Alex Jones is being life destroyed and de-platformed right now. I can say certainly he isn't Mossad.

[KiwiElf]

From "Q" post 2102 (inserted before earlier posts above - number sequence updated)

https://qanon.app/
---------------------------------------------------------------
2102

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI No.196 📁
Sep 6 2018 18:25:13 (EST)
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1037809606364418049
This is called 'PANIC'.
Q
---------------------------------------------------------------

Tweet referenced:

39041


... and on a less serious note ...


... a larp, a Deep State psy-op, a bunch of internet hackers, a fat guy on a couch somewhere in New Zealand...


Pssssst... Turiya!, ... I found him!!!! - in the same Tweet! :ROFL:

39042

[mgray]

Latest "Q" post #2102 - (click to enlarge images or go directly to links below - this is a mish-mash of both, https://qanon.app/ is still playing up & lagging a bit)

https://qanonposts.com/
https://qanon.app/

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2102

Sep 06 2018 19:14:04
Anonymous
2909503
ClipboardImage.png

39036

ClipboardImage.png

39037

>>2909418 (Q lb)
>[Free Speech Systems LLC]
[iiiiiiiiiiii]>>>[Free Speech Systems LLC]
^^^ 12 spaces ?

Sep 06 2018 19:37:56
Q !!mG7VJxZNCI
2909917
word-image.png

39038

>>2909503
Follow the picture.
"Jerome Corsi who I outed as a Mossad asset/agent in a 1997 sting operation in London. Corsi and Piper Jaffray broker Brad Ahmundson were integral to a fraud that took Minnesota investors for $1 million that the FBI refused to properly investigate. Instead, agents sought to portray me as responsible. Corsi is named as the author of several best-selling Israeli psy-ops books, including Unfit for Command (2004), Atomic Iran (2005), Minutemen (2006), The Obama Nation (2008)."
Q
---------------------------------------------------

This recent information on Alex Jones (AJ) is confirming information I gleaned from another source regarding a question as to who is the funding source of AJ.

It's looking more and more like MOSSAD. I don't know exactly how I feel about this. I've never watched much of Alex Jones, but so many people have. It's almost like he's been a fixture in the Alternative Media. (Kinda like Bill and Avalon.)

I tracked the image with Corsi down, to this page...

https://hiddentaxonhumanity.com/hidden-tax-on-humanity/chapter-5-the-poland-connection/

... for anyone who wants to follow up on this.


Jerome Corsi—His Payoff

Corsi continued to perform as an Israeli agent. In return for his role in stalking me, he was made into a best-selling author of a series of books written to advance Israel’s long-term agenda. Those books include Unfit for Command—Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry (2004). This book was published to help undermine the presidential campaign of Senator John Kerry and keep George W. Bush in office following the disputed 2000 presidential when the Supreme Court ruled Bush the victor. Those who produced the Bush presidency wanted this dysfunctional Christian Zionist in office to take the U.S. to war in reaction to the provocation of 9/11 reliant on intelligence fixed around Tel Aviv’s agenda. The U.S. invaded a nation that played no role in 9/11 as pre-staging to reignite an ancient Shia/Sunni conflict that allied Israel with the Sunni-dominant Gulf States against Shia-dominant Iran.

As part of a long-term “preparing the minds” agenda, in 2005, he published Atomic Iran: How The Terrorist Regime Bought the Bomb and American Politicians. That was followed in 2008 by The Obama Nation—Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality that both played to the nation’s racist sentiments and pre-staged the election eight years later of rightwing candidate Donald Trump whose presidency was produced by a cadre of extremist pro-Israelis from the messianic Hasidic Chabad Lubavitch sect. Reverting to the Iran theme, in 2009 he published Why Israel Can’t Wait – The Coming War Between Israel and Iran followed in 2018 by Killing the Deep State—The Fight to Save Donald Trump’s Presidency (2018) to divert attention from the fact that Israel is the Deep State.

Hmmm..... almost like the Q team has been reading recent posts here.

Introducing Israel into the Q-post mix....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=39012&d=1536206337&thumb=1

AJ's lawyer appears to be Edgar Bronfman's daughter. That makes for an even strong Mossad connection.

[mgray]

I just had a thought and want to throw this out there, has this come up before?

Do you think Godfather III is a code for Paysuer?

Godfather III has a strong crocked Vatican story line though from wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Godfather_Part_III#Plot).


Knowing that Archbishop Gilday, head of the Vatican Bank, has accumulated a massive deficit, Michael offers the Bank $600 million in exchange for shares in Internazionale Immobiliare, an international real estate company, which would make him its largest single shareholder with six seats on the company's 13-member board. He makes a tender offer to buy the Vatican's 25% share in the company, which will give him controlling interest. Immobiliare's board quickly approve the offer, pending ratification by the Pope.

Perhaps P is Pope, which is Paysuer?

Although I'm not quite sure about another "fictional" character being introduced into the Q story named Paysuer. But that's me.

[KiwiElf]

We Knew This Day Would Come, Conspiracy No More, Protective Measures Are In Place - X22 Report Episode 1657b

prXX9vcaxkY

X22Report
Published on Sep 6, 2018

Booker threatened he was going to release emails showing Kavanaugh is racist, it was a complete dud, it shows the opposite.

JW reports that Strzok drafted the email for Comey.

UK pushes the false flag with pics of two individuals who they say are Russian agents.

NK sets a timeline for denuclearization, Trump and Kim Jong Un trade letters and NK has faith in Trump.

Trump prepares the country for the declassification of the 20-page FISA warrant.

Tweets out about draining the swamp.

The deep state tries to fight back by creating the resistance, this is from an anonymous source and they are trying to push the agenda that the people in the administration are against Trump and his policies.

"Q" drops more breadcrumbs, the plan is in motion, conspiracy no more, protective measures in place.

This most likely will be the first phase and there will be more coming.

The people of America are going to get hit with the truth and many will not be able to handle what is going to be revealed.

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It's All Connected, Prepare For Everything & Anything - X22 Report Episode 1657a

crn7MIHhYpc

X22Report
Published on Sep 6, 2018

Jobless claims drop to 49 year low, everyone has a job or the number are manipulated to the extreme, yup manipulated.

ADP reports show slow growth.US factory orders slow.

Wells Fargo is trouble again for changing customer information.

The bear market is approaching and the rich are moving to New Zealand. (Nooooooo... pleeeeease go away - we don't want you here - even if our PM does!! - KE) :p :shielddeflect: :thumbsdown: :target:

The economy is connected to everything, if bad news comes out it will effect the economy and might even collapse it, be prepared because the news is coming.

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Report date: 09.06.2018

All source links to the report can be found on the x22report.com site.

[KiwiElf]

Trump holds 'MAGA' rally in Montana

Gc7Y0djlWNI

Fox News
Streamed live 3 hours ago
President Trump in Billings, Montana hosting a campaign rally. The event comes on the heels of an explosive confirmation hearing for Trump's SCOTUS nominee, as well as a damning op-ed in the New York Times, supposedly penned by an official in the President's own administration.

Trump on stage @ 15:58

[Omni]

Is Q saying Alex Jones is Mossad?

[Michelle Marie]

I just had a thought and want to throw this out there, has this come up before?

Do you think Godfather III is a code for Paysuer?

Godfather III has a strong crocked Vatican story line though from wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Godfather_Part_III#Plot).


Knowing that Archbishop Gilday, head of the Vatican Bank, has accumulated a massive deficit, Michael offers the Bank $600 million in exchange for shares in Internazionale Immobiliare, an international real estate company, which would make him its largest single shareholder with six seats on the company's 13-member board. He makes a tender offer to buy the Vatican's 25% share in the company, which will give him controlling interest. Immobiliare's board quickly approve the offer, pending ratification by the Pope.

Perhaps P is Pope, which is Paysuer?

Although I'm not quite sure about another "fictional" character being introduced into the Q story named Paysuer. But that's me.

Lewis Cass Payseur is not a fictional character. Let's just say he has a 'rich' family history.

Neon Revolt told us the history of this family. I also found a .pdf file about them.

Payseurs
https://www.neonrevolt.com/2018/08/16/p-the-unseen-masters-of-all-qanon-greatawakening-whoisp-illuminati-13bloodlines-payseur-springmeier/

Illuminati bloodlines
"One of the most secret and powerful families in North America has been the Payseurs."
_______________________
L.C.Payseur (1850-1939)
Lewis Cass Payseur
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/pandorabox_payseur.pdf

Payseurs were involved with gold mines.
Banks, railroad construction companies, railway companies, railroad engine manufacturing companies, railway cars & sleepers, tractors and plows (International Harvester), Colt firearms, wagons and buggies (now Cadillacs). Plantations of cotton, tobacco, timber, and corn.
They had United Fruit Company, ALCOA, various mining companies, meat processing (Amour),

Daniel Payseur was the former crown prince of France who moved to America and married into the Reed family...also into gold mines.
Jonas was Daniel's second son.
Jonas Payseur was father of Lewis Cass Payseur.

The whole story is in the attached .pdf file.

MM

[turiya]

Alex Jones is being life destroyed and de-platformed right now. I can say certainly he isn't Mossad.

Is Q saying Alex Jones is Mossad?

Well, Mossad supported, anyways. :)
I will have to double check that... ah... got it... Q post 2088



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmWEeaNXoAANalF.jpg (https://twitter.com/indywars/status/1037380955785318400)

AJ has been noted to be a bit negative regarding Q... He's tried to insert his own Q onto the scene (Zack) in an attempt to co-opt the phenom...imo. After all, how can you claim to be the 'tip of the spear' if you don't have the lead on the fresh 'intel' that is coming out.

It will eventually come down to Q vs Mossad. That is where it will end up. Again, imo.

[Omni]

Alex Jones is being life destroyed and de-platformed right now. I can say certainly he isn't Mossad.

Is Q saying Alex Jones is Mossad?

Well, Mossad supported, anyways. :)
What good evidence is there for this? Lawyers work for a lot of people. Seems like alt media level assumptionism. I haven't seen good evidence for this argument and happen to be knowledgeable enough about the intelligence community to know Alex Jones is being wholesale destroyed by people like the Mossad.

Twitter trends are currently defaming him incredibly calling for his head and all his money (this has happened before). Each major social media platform is banning him. He is being censored to his audiences. And to top it off he is so heavily assaulted by covert neuroweaponry that alt media thinks he is one of the bad guys. Basically the whole situation is a crucifixion and a life destruction that I find disturbing that people are so willing to cheer on.

[KiwiElf]

Is Q saying Alex Jones is Mossad?

Not sure. Please see "Q" posts 2088 onward

https://qanon.app/

(...or scroll back through the thread - on Avalon it's Q drop # 2078 as I had to temporarily use a different "Q" source): ie

Post 6705, page 336 and continued Post 6805 on previous page 341 of this thread ;)

The reference made is MOS (which may mean MOSSAD or several other things eg, Military Occupational Specialty):

https://www.google.com/search?q=MOS&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOS

In this context it might have something to do with communications - click to enlarge.

ie, Free Speech Systems LLC = InfoWars

39045

This is from "Q" post #2101:
---------------------------------------------------
2101

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: c3b95b No.2909418 📁
Sep 6 2018 18:08:46 (EST)

Anonymous ID: 23f371 No.2908723 📁
Sep 6 2018 17:22:54 (EST)
>>2908527

>There is a lot more to this than you realize.
>Think 'collective' attacks v. 'Q'

They 'attack' AJ to give him fake credibility amongst POTUS supporting Patriots, thus poisoning the water and directing narrative of the 'opposition' through a MOS supported asset aka AJ.
All team effort, coordinated 'collective' attacks with pawns and actors serving black hat agenda and attempting to control/divide the Patriots.

>Attacks will come from ALL sides.

>>2908723
Control & Divide.
Think Mueller.
Who is testifying before Mueller tomorrow?
Forensic data analysis on phone(s) and/or computers?
This is not about Guccifer 2.0.
What happens if Mueller 'proves' 'Free Speech Systems LLC' aka 'InfoWars' is linked to a Foreign Intel Agency or other Non_Domestic entity?
How can the 'LEFT' use that information to DIVIDE and CENSOR the RIGHT?
Why are affiliates of InfoWars constantly attacking 'Q'?
Who is pulling the strings?
[iiiiiiiiiiii]>>>[Free Speech Systems LLC]
Q
---------------------------------------------------

[onawah]

I'm bowing out of this thread again after this, but I want to answer Edina's query here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-a---Very-Bad-Day---Scenario-for-some-elite-swamp-critters--Nov-2017-and-beyond-&p=1246203&viewfull=1#post1246203 about how her encouragement directed toward me, to continue taking positive action re the issues I resonate with, affected me. It was nice of her to say, and I thank her and will continue to do so, as I am able.

As to criticisms from Q fans that non-Q fans don't read the material and therefore can't have valid opinions about it, I will just say that I try, but I must not be the kind of person it was meant to appeal to, because though I do tune in here in order to stay informed,Q registers on my energy field and mind as manipulative psyop, and not positive psyop, because anything that is designed to control our thinking doesn't feel positive to me.
It is a real struggle for me to focus on it at all.
But I would like to concur with Paul when he pointed out if I understand him correctly, that a view about Q that is not based on reading and researching all the endless material and going on the "treasure hunts" that Q followers are directed to, is not necessarily an uninformed view.
There are other criteria by which to gain a perspective on this phenomena. We are complex beings at many different levels of development and not all our thinking and perceiving is through the intellectual gathering of incremental facts and drawing conclusions thereby.
Other forms of perception such as intuition, psychic insights, wisdom, or even just long experience and the recognition of repeating patterns, which is something that Bill has pointed out, can also arrive at very valid conclusions that can bear out in the end as being quite accurate.
I continue to see a lot of information on the Net from sources other than Avalon which are not politically oriented, but which are concerned with many issues that are just as, if not more so, critical to the well being of the planet as the current political situation, and my feeling is that there is just not much time left to deal with them correctly and positively before we are so mired in disaster that at some point, politics is just going to look like a lot of dysfunctional children squabbling over who is king of the hill.
Some of these children are people who Trump has appointed, and they are not making things better at all.
I will not go into specifics here nor will I set myself up for debates by posting all my concerns on other threads for other members to bash because they are not in alignment with Q, or start another thread in order to debate Q material, because this has all been done already and pro Q and Trump people just trample all over such threads, and then claim victory because they have shouted the loudest and filled Avalon with the longest posts.
Just because you have silenced someone doesn't mean that you have scored a victory; a lot of times it just means that you have used up a lot of space and wasted a lot of time.

Every time that kind of attitude has prevailed on Avalon for a time, it has always crashed and burned, one way or another.
If upcoming events should prove that all the great things Q and Trump have been promising were more than just campaign promises meant to get Trump elected and re-elected and nothing more, I think everyone on Avalon will be ecstatic.
Perhaps that would mend the rifts that have been tearing Avalon apart yet again, as well.
But I think it had really better happen soon, because it doesn't look like the Earth and life on Earth can wait much longer.
Peace out.
update: A trait that dysfunctional people have which psychological studies have noted is that they cannot bear to be wrong.
When people can simply agree to disagree, there can be peace, but not when the most important thing is to be right.

[KiwiElf]

Latest Praying Medic Video - Q Anon September 6 - Spooks are Spooked

This is a long one; 56 mins, From "Q" posts 1994 through to 2095 (he's doing a massive catch-up!) ;)

Ii7tnv_UIGA

Qanon goes toe-to-toe with the deep state in a communications war.

[ThePythonicCow]

As, Kiwi has pointed out, as popular as this particular thread has been, (number of hits / time period), it has been noted that this particular thread has never been shown to be listed in the category of Most Viewed (last 30 days) threads.

I changed this thread's title yet again, simplifying it from:

The Qanon posts, and a “Very Bad Day” Scenario - for some elite swamp critters (Nov 2017 and beyond)
to:

The Qanon posts and a “Very Bad Day” Scenario for some elite swamp critters
Perhaps something in this thread's title explains why (loooong shot) this thread is not showing up in the "Most Viewed (last 30 days)" list on this top forum page (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forum.php).

I see other threads, in the same "Conspiracy Research" subforum, that are far less popular (such as some minor thread about mattresses) that are showing up in that "Most Viewed" list, so it makes no sense to me that this far more popular thread is missing from that list.

[ThePythonicCow]

I see other threads, in the same "Conspiracy Research" subforum, that are far less popular (such as some minor thread about mattresses) that are showing up in that "Most Viewed" list, so it makes no sense to me that this far more popular thread is missing from that list.
Aha - I think I see the reason.

Only new threads, started in the last 30 days, are considered for that "Most Viewed" list. This Qanon thread is almost a year old now (amazing.)

I'm going to bump that age limit from 30 days to 400 days. This might "fix" that list (get Q on it again), but it might also have some negative impact on forum performance. We'll see.

[ Note to self: see Forum Blocks Manager : Items Date Cutoff ]

===

P.S. - It seems to have worked. Q is now listed on that list.

[KiwiElf]

As, Kiwi has pointed out, as popular as this particular thread has been, (number of hits / time period), it has been noted that this particular thread has never been shown to be listed in the category of Most Viewed (last 30 days) threads.

I changed this thread's title yet again, simplifying it from:

The Qanon posts, and a “Very Bad Day” Scenario - for some elite swamp critters (Nov 2017 and beyond)
to:

The Qanon posts and a “Very Bad Day” Scenario for some elite swamp critters
Perhaps something in this thread's title explains why (loooong shot) this thread is not showing up in the "Most Viewed (last 30 days)" list on this top forum page (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forum.php).

I see other threads, in the same "Conspiracy Research" subforum, that are far less popular (such as some minor thread about mattresses) that are showing up in that "Most Viewed" list, so it makes no sense to me that this far more popular thread is missing from that list.

That's great Paul, thank you! :happythumbsup:

(I am somewhat curious as to how that works?) I had assumed - perhaps incorrectly - that it would be simply based on the number of views divided by 30 days? (In which case, it should be in there?). I count roughly 511,000 views on "New Posts" now, 487,000 on 26 August = 2,400 views per day.

Perhaps the header/title could be shortened even further to just, "QAnon"?

EDIT: Oooops I missed your next post as I was doing this one! Cheers :beer: :thumbsup:

EDIT2: Yayyyy - we're over half a million views folks!! Well done! :cake: :Party: :popcorn: :happy dog: (Double Oooops!)

[ThePythonicCow]

EDIT2: Yayyyy - we're over half a million views folks!! Well done! :cake: :Party: :popcorn: :happy dog: (Double Oooops!)
You call that an "Ooooops!" ??

Is that what they mean by "getting tired of winning" ?

:) :cow: :)

[KiwiElf]

EDIT2: Yayyyy - we're over half a million views folks!! Well done! :cake: :Party: :popcorn: :happy dog: (Double Oooops!)
You call that an "Ooooops!" ??

Is that what they mean by "getting tired of winning" ?

:) :cow: :)

LMAO - I'm terrible with numbers... really! :blushing: As "Bones" in STAR TREK might say - (in a different life), - "I'm a designer, not a mathematician!" ;)

[Chanie]

Trump holds 'MAGA' rally in Montana

Gc7Y0djlWNI

Fox News
Streamed live 3 hours ago
President Trump in Billings, Montana hosting a campaign rally. The event comes on the heels of an explosive confirmation hearing for Trump's SCOTUS nominee, as well as a damning op-ed in the New York Times, supposedly penned by an official in the President's own administration.

Trump on stage @ 15:58

This morning, there is talk about three people who were standing behind Trump and how they were removed during the speech. See: https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSharpEdge1/status/1037948852760764416

I watched the footage. The boy in the plaid shirt was asked to leave first; a few minutes later, the two people (one in a red hat and one in a white t-shirt) were removed.

[norman]

Alex Jones is being life destroyed and de-platformed right now. I can say certainly he isn't Mossad.

I've been listening to Alex Jones quite consistently since around 2006. I've regarded him as the most reliable information source about what's going on, day to day.

Alex occasionally let's slip little factoids about his family background.

It's still confusing, for me because i didn't have a good mental map of American history, but I now have a general impression that you can pick just about any skirmish or movement in American history and one or other of Alex's family group was involved on one side or another.

With that much direct involvement, I think it's quite likely that there are big players somewhere in the background of the Alex Jones phenomenon. How significant, and who and in what way, I have no idea yet.

[KiwiElf]

Trump holds 'MAGA' rally in Montana

Gc7Y0djlWNI

Fox News
Streamed live 3 hours ago
President Trump in Billings, Montana hosting a campaign rally. The event comes on the heels of an explosive confirmation hearing for Trump's SCOTUS nominee, as well as a damning op-ed in the New York Times, supposedly penned by an official in the President's own administration.

Trump on stage @ 15:58

This morning, there is talk about three people who were standing behind Trump and how they were removed during the speech. See: https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSharpEdge1/status/1037948852760764416

I watched the footage. The boy in the plaid shirt was asked to leave first; a few minutes later, the two people (one in a red hat and one in a white t-shirt) were removed.

Don't know too much about it, but this guy was making some really weird faces (pretty distracting for viewers).

39047

The Anons put up a whole series of his "interesting facial expressions" on 8CHAN; can't remember which board but at a guess it would probably be shortly after the time of the Rally (the 8CHAN boards are time/date sensitive to your locale) ... you might have to sort back through 10+ boards from #3680 onwards.

https://8ch.net/qresearch/catalog.html

[edina]

I'm bowing out of this thread again after this, but I want to answer Edina's query here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-a---Very-Bad-Day---Scenario-for-some-elite-swamp-critters--Nov-2017-and-beyond-&p=1246203&viewfull=1#post1246203 about how her encouragement directed toward me, to continue taking positive action re the issues I resonate with, affected me. It was nice of her to say, and I thank her and will continue to do so, as I am able.

As to criticisms from Q fans that non-Q fans don't read the material and therefore can't have valid opinions about it, I will just say that I try, but I must not be the kind of person it was meant to appeal to, because though I do tune in here in order to stay informed,Q registers on my energy field and mind as manipulative psyop, and not positive psyop, because anything that is designed to control our thinking doesn't feel positive to me.
It is a real struggle for me to focus on it at all.
But I would like to concur with Paul when he pointed out if I understand him correctly, that a view about Q that is not based on reading and researching all the endless material and going on the "treasure hunts" that Q followers are directed to, is not necessarily an uninformed view.
There are other criteria by which to gain a perspective on this phenomena. We are complex beings at many different levels of development and not all our thinking and perceiving is through the intellectual gathering of incremental facts and drawing conclusions thereby.
Other forms of perception such as intuition, psychic insights, wisdom, or even just long experience and the recognition of repeating patterns, which is something that Bill has pointed out, can also arrive at very valid conclusions that can bear out in the end as being quite accurate.
I continue to see a lot of information on the Net from sources other than Avalon which are not politically oriented, but which are concerned with many issues that are just as, if not more so, critical to the well being of the planet as the current political situation, and my feeling is that there is just not much time left to deal with them correctly and positively before we are so mired in disaster that at some point, politics is just going to look like a lot of dysfunctional children squabbling over who is king of the hill.
Some of these children are people who Trump has appointed, and they are not making things better at all.
I will not go into specifics here nor will I set myself up for debates by posting all my concerns on other threads for other members to bash because they are not in alignment with Q, or start another thread in order to debate Q material, because this has all been done already and pro Q and Trump people just trample all over such threads, and then claim victory because they have shouted the loudest and filled Avalon with the longest posts.
Just because you have silenced someone doesn't mean that you have scored a victory; a lot of times it just means that you have used up a lot of space and wasted a lot of time.

Every time that kind of attitude has prevailed on Avalon for a time, it has always crashed and burned, one way or another.
If upcoming events should prove that all the great things Q and Trump have been promising were more than just campaign promises meant to get Trump elected and re-elected and nothing more, I think everyone on Avalon will be ecstatic.
Perhaps that would mend the rifts that have been tearing Avalon apart yet again, as well.
But I think it had really better happen soon, because it doesn't look like the Earth and life on Earth can wait much longer.
Peace out.
update: A trait that dysfunctional people have which psychological studies have noted is that they cannot bear to be wrong.
When people can simply agree to disagree, there can be peace, but not when the most important thing is to be right.

onawah, Thank you for sharing this.

Your concerns are valid, understandable and have actually been heard, and considered.

There are many benefits to following this thread, and a person doesn't have to support the Q movement to gain value from reading this thread.
Most notably, is that the posts track emerging current events ahead of other sources. And offers resource links for people who are interested in following these current events to inform and educate themselves in a very time efficient way. At least, this is how it's worked out for me.

If a person wants to debate the creditability of the whole Q movement, though. Then, it's helpful if they have read the posts enough to have a constructive, intelligent and thoughtful conversation about it.

This thread has morphed over the months from one of debating and considering the validity of the Q posts to one of cooperation and harmonious sharing of information that emerges from the Q posts. People can look at this information and decide what's valid and useful for them and what's not.

I don't think anyone was registering their complaints about people who find fault don't read the Q posts are directed at you. To me, it's obvious you have tried to stayed informed.
It's just that your heart is in a different direction. An equally important direction. (As my heart guides me in this direction.)

What happens in other threads, I am not aware of, because I have limited time, so I prioritize my focus on where my heart guides me.
And as I said, this thread allows me to do this in a very time and energy efficient way.

I just want to thank you again for sharing your thoughts and your concerns.
And wish you the very best on the path your heart, intuition and inner guidance takes you.
The work you do is important. Thank you for that, too. :heart:

[edina]

Latest Praying Medic Video - Q Anon September 6 - Spooks are Spooked

This is a long one; 56 mins, From "Q" posts 1994 through to 2095 (he's doing a massive catch-up!) ;)

Ii7tnv_UIGA

Qanon goes toe-to-toe with the deep state in a communications war.

One of the reasons why I like to watch Praying Medic's videos is because he often gleans patterns and details of information that I miss. While still keeping it real and relevant.
I find I retain the information better after I've watched his videos.
And of course, I like his resource links, too. :)

[Noelle]

I don't think this Q tweet has been mentioned in the thread yet. It was tweeted almost a month ago. The trend in the few comments left lean toward the event being related to a shift in the magnetic poles. About a week after the tweet, MSM news and science websites began reporting on how the planet's magnetic poles may flip faster than previously thought.

Something big is going to happen in the following months.
It will correlate with ancient megaliths from around the globe.
Remember this tweet.
11:26 PM - 12 Aug 2018
https://twitter.com/mG7VJxZNCI/status/1028845258820411393

Here is one article on the new discovery, which was made by scientists in China.

New Geological Evidence Suggests Earth's Magnetic Poles Could Flip at Any Time (https://www.outerplaces.com/science/item/18786-earth-magnetic-poles-flip)
OuterPlaces.com, Aug. 23, 2018

Excerpt:

For the past few years, scientists have waffled between warning that the Earth's magnetic poles could flip at any time (with disastrous consequences) and assuring the public that everything's fine. Either way, the South Atlantic Anomaly (a shifting 'hole' in Earth's magnetic field) is still growing, and Earth's overall magnetic field continues to weaken. Previously, it was thought that the lead-up to a pole reversal (and the switch back to 'normal') would take thousands of years, but scientists investigating a cave in the Guizhou Province of China have found further evidence that the Earth's magnetic field can flip back and forth relatively quickly—over the course of just a century.

The last major pole reversal happened about 780,000 years ago and a second, minor one occurred about 41,000 years ago, which gives scientists a potential benchmark of how often these kinds of magnetic flips can happen. In the meantime, the poles have done a good amount of wandering during 'excursions,' periods where the poles drift around the Earth slightly. These changes are hard to predict, but we do know that they're caused by activity within the Earth, specifically having to do with the planet's iron core: the outer core has a lot of liquid metal flowing around it, which creates electrical currents, and the spin of the Earth shapes these currents into a kind of warped bubble of magnetism that surrounds the Earth. The major problem with a pole reversal is that the Earth's magnetic field may become significantly weaker, which means the planet will be vulnerable to solar radiation that can cause havoc for our electronic devices.

One of the things scientists have taken for granted is that the process of a pole reversal would be very slow and gradual, allowing us to deal with the problem before it became cataclysmic. However, a stalagmite found in the aforementioned cave in China shows that pole reversals can happen relatively quickly. The rock itself is composed partly of magnetite, which can become magnetized by the planet's magnetic field, allowing geologists to use it as a record of Earth's magnetic history. According to the geological 'records' held within this stalagmite, there was a very sudden magnetic reversal 98,000 years ago that only lasted about a hundred years.

[onawah]

Thank you for your kind message Edina. it is much appreciated. There is always room for more genuine kindness in this conflicted world!

I'm certain that YOU have considered my concerns, though I'm not sure some of the hotheads on the forum have! :lol: No problem--I suppose this whole process is quite necessary. I just get tired of male posturing very quickly, and there's been a lot of that going on. If it weren't for you and the other grounded women posting on the Q thread, I doubt I would be able to go there at all.

I am working 20 hours a week now, and it's not what I pictured for myself at age 70, but I'm grateful to be able to bring in some extra income, because Social Security just doesn't pay all the bills. But I don't have time to focus on all the news, and have to be selective.

But I'm actually glad that the forum is covering the Q material because I do recognize it's importance, but politics has never been my strong suit, and I have been on Avalon for as long as I have because it deals with subjects that the mainstream usually ignores, such as ET & psychic phenomena, the Illuminati and the NWO, forbidden archeology, etc.-- subjects I have some personal experience with and interest in. I imagine there are other forums where Q and related political info is the ONLY subject matter being discussed. It does bother me that so much of Avalon is now devoted to it, but it will run its course in time, and I'm OK with that, so long as Avalon remains intact and available for ongoing conspiracy research on other topics, and retains its unique value.

I know the recent ruckus was largely because of Dennis's posts. I don't have an opinion one way or the other as to who was right in that debate, but I appreciate anyone who tries to post an alternate view from the majority on the Q thread because of the "winning team" mentality there, as though there was some kind of coup taking place on Avalon of Q supporters versus other, long standing Avalon members.

Similar problems have developed a few times before, such as when Atticus was the new big deal on the forum, and it got very ugly before it just all blew up in everyone's face. I avoided that thread, just as I did the ones about Corey Goode when he was on the forum. It happened again with the Simon Parkes threads, and I got in the middle of that one somehow, which is not an experience I care to repeat. There was a ruckus for awhile about channeled information that actually turned out very well, and I was happy to have been involved with that, for the most part.

Some threads just accumulate a certain energy that is toxic for me, and it's not totally because of the information being presented itself, but the way in which it's being discussed. That has been the case for me with the Q thread as well. (Sometimes the problems arise on such threads due to hidden motivations that people have for the stances they take, and sometimes there are shills that sneak in to make things more difficult. It can get messy, so old members who have been through the forum wars can tend to get cautious.)

There is still, thankfully, room on Avalon for other very fascinating subjects to be discussed, though less so since the Q thread began taking off. And it's not really that there's not room, it's that new members are going to be attracted here because of the general vibe of the forum overall, and old members will leave if they lose interest. If the main subject being discussed is political, it's not going to attract new people as much who have breaking info on other subjects of import.

That makes me sad, because Avalon has been very high on the list of conspiracy theory forums for a long time, and we've done some amazing work on a variety of very important issues other than mainly political ones.

I guess that about covers it, and being another intuitive, I imagine you already understood what my concerns have been, but it felt good to express them anyway.

Finally, sending these same wishes that you sent to me back to you, with appreciation:
"I just want to thank you again for sharing your thoughts and your concerns.
And wish you the very best on the path your heart, intuition and inner guidance takes you.
The work you do is important. Thank you for that, too."

Hopefully this will help promote understanding and dispel some of the current friction on the forum.
Best wishes, :hug:
Natalie



onawah, Thank you for sharing this.

Your concerns are valid, understandable and have actually been heard, and considered.

There are many benefits to following this thread, and a person doesn't have to support the Q movement to gain value from reading this thread.
Most notably, is that the posts track emerging current events ahead of other sources. And offers resource links for people who are interested in following these current events to inform and educate themselves in a very time efficient way. At least, this is how it's worked out for me.

If a person wants to debate the creditability of the whole Q movement, though. Then, it's helpful if they have read the posts enough to have a constructive, intelligent and thoughtful conversation about it.

This thread has morphed over the months from one of debating and considering the validity of the Q posts to one of cooperation and harmonious sharing of information that emerges from the Q posts. People can look at this information and decide what's valid and useful for them and what's not.

I don't think anyone was registering their complaints about people who find fault don't read the Q posts are directed at you. To me, it's obvious you have tried to stayed informed.
It's just that your heart is in a different direction. An equally important direction. (As my heart guides me in this direction.)

What happens in other threads, I am not aware of, because I have limited time, so I prioritize my focus on where my heart guides me.
And as I said, this thread allows me to do this in a very time and energy efficient way.

I just want to thank you again for sharing your thoughts and your concerns.
And wish you the very best on the path your heart, intuition and inner guidance takes you.
The work you do is important. Thank you for that, too. :heart:

[onawah]

The earthquake and volcanic activity that Dutchsinse has been reporting seems to support the idea that something BIG is happening. See the latest reports starting here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98526-Dutchsinse-s-Earthquake-Reports-and-Forecasts&p=1245473&viewfull=1#post1245473

I don't think this Q tweet has been mentioned in the thread yet. It was tweeted almost a month ago. The trend in the few comments left lean toward the event being related to a shift in the magnetic poles. About a week after the tweet, MSM news and science websites began reporting on how the planet's magnetic poles may flip faster than previously thought.

Something big is going to happen in the following months.
It will correlate with ancient megaliths from around the globe.
Remember this tweet.
11:26 PM - 12 Aug 2018
https://twitter.com/mG7VJxZNCI/status/1028845258820411393

Here is one article on the new discovery, which was made by scientists in China.

New Geological Evidence Suggests Earth's Magnetic Poles Could Flip at Any Time (https://www.outerplaces.com/science/item/18786-earth-magnetic-poles-flip)
OuterPlaces.com, Aug. 23, 2018

Excerpt:

For the past few years, scientists have waffled between warning that the Earth's magnetic poles could flip at any time (with disastrous consequences) and assuring the public that everything's fine. Either way, the South Atlantic Anomaly (a shifting 'hole' in Earth's magnetic field) is still growing, and Earth's overall magnetic field continues to weaken. Previously, it was thought that the lead-up to a pole reversal (and the switch back to 'normal') would take thousands of years, but scientists investigating a cave in the Guizhou Province of China have found further evidence that the Earth's magnetic field can flip back and forth relatively quickly—over the course of just a century.

The last major pole reversal happened about 780,000 years ago and a second, minor one occurred about 41,000 years ago, which gives scientists a potential benchmark of how often these kinds of magnetic flips can happen. In the meantime, the poles have done a good amount of wandering during 'excursions,' periods where the poles drift around the Earth slightly. These changes are hard to predict, but we do know that they're caused by activity within the Earth, specifically having to do with the planet's iron core: the outer core has a lot of liquid metal flowing around it, which creates electrical currents, and the spin of the Earth shapes these currents into a kind of warped bubble of magnetism that surrounds the Earth. The major problem with a pole reversal is that the Earth's magnetic field may become significantly weaker, which means the planet will be vulnerable to solar radiation that can cause havoc for our electronic devices.

One of the things scientists have taken for granted is that the process of a pole reversal would be very slow and gradual, allowing us to deal with the problem before it became cataclysmic. However, a stalagmite found in the aforementioned cave in China shows that pole reversals can happen relatively quickly. The rock itself is composed partly of magnetite, which can become magnetized by the planet's magnetic field, allowing geologists to use it as a record of Earth's magnetic history. According to the geological 'records' held within this stalagmite, there was a very sudden magnetic reversal 98,000 years ago that only lasted about a hundred years.

[turiya]

Latest Praying Medic Video - Q Anon September 6 - Spooks are Spooked

This is a long one; 56 mins, From "Q" posts 1994 through to 2095 (he's doing a massive catch-up!) ;)

Ii7tnv_UIGA

Qanon goes toe-to-toe with the deep state in a communications war.

Hey Kiwi

Here is the Sun Tzu article that Praying Medic referenced to within that video that he just put out...

Also, I want to give a shout out to Dennis Leahy to have a look at this article. It may help him & some others that don't know how to figure out Trump & what is involved in his dealings with others - the politicians on both sides of the isle & the political leaders in other countries.


Sun Tzu And the Trump Doctrine (https://thunderbird.asu.edu/knowledge-network/suntzu-trump-doctrine)
March 1, 2017
By Jeff Cunningham

http://www.curezone.org/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/Praying_Medic/Sun_Tzu_And_the_Trump_Doctrine_by_Jeff_Cunningham.png (https://thunderbird.asu.edu/knowledge-network/suntzu-trump-doctrine)
Donald Trump at his home, Mar a Lago, talking with the author

Diplomacy in the Age of Trump

Donald Trump may be the most important figure in American history journalists despise but can’t understand. Sun Tzu, the Chinese general and author of The Art of War, wouldn't have it any other way.

“Everyone sees tactics, but only Generals see strategy.” — Sun TzuAs the world's foremost military strategist, Sun Tzu can be helpful in evaluating the very quality that baffles the media: Trump is a gamesman. It is a venerable talent practiced for centuries on the battlefield as well as blackjack tables, treaty rooms, and the Oval Office.

Trumpology

As an observer and occasional confidante of Trump’s, I wouldn’t second guess the media if they didn’t consistently underestimate him.

This is a massive problem for people like me whose life’s work is devoted to global leadership. We are highly skeptical of political propaganda that passes for news coverage today and we want real answers to why Trump goes out of his way to annoy the president of a friendly neighbor? Why does he suggest the media fakes the news? Why does he think America is going to be great again? If you are a globalist but don’t know how to read Trump, your compass may get stuck in the wrong direction as you try to figure these things out. That is the challenge I am addressing in this column.

To be fair, Trump’s rhetoric gets a share of the blame. Media bias and the impact of social media pushing people into the end zone of their political sympathies get the rest. Convene a focus group of two, a Texan in the same room as a New Yorker, and one shouts “MAGA” while the other shrugs, “he’s not my president.” In reality, as I hope to show, we should be looking at Trump as a very complicated president, more poker player than politician.

In full disclosure, if you are a strategy freak like me, you also get a kick out of trying to figure him out.


(This article is part of a Thunderbird School of Global Management series on the future of internationalism (https://thunderbird.asu.edu/knowledge-network/future-of-internationalism).)
Before he became a reality TV star and the President of the most powerful country in the world, Trump was rebuilding his real estate empire after a nasty recession in the early 90s. I was Publisher of Forbes Magazine, that arbiter of the nation’s wealth. We attended football matches together, dined on my company yacht, and I would fly chief executives of major companies to his parties at Mar a Lago, his Palm Beach home (a 1997 New Yorker profile (http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1997/05/19/trump-solo)nicely captures it).

What did I observe during those occasions? Titans of the universe making nasty comments about Trump before he arrived; then, as he entered the room he turns on the charm, flatters and acknowledges their great achievements, places a great big bear hug around their shoulders, winking at me as he closed deal after deal with those who made the fatal mistake of underestimating him.

In Trump’s world, you are either a friend or an opponent, and his playbook is apparent to anyone willing to watch objectively from the sidelines.

The Bluff

"Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak." — Sun TzuIn 1997, Trump called me looking for a sit down with Forbes to talk about our upcoming Forbes 400 Richest Americans issue. His big move was to secure a spot on the list. It would silence critics who claimed he didn’t have the financial stake to compete. A few weeks later he was at the Forbes townhouse sitting on the living room couch and starting things off by telling the editors how rich he was. He hit them with his favorite gambit, making a stratospheric claim — that his wealth was north of $3 billion.

This was about the time the journalists lost the battle.

The editors clearly weren’t biting. They are a skeptical lot by nature, and it was undeniable, how could he have dug himself out of the hole in such a short time since declaring business bankruptcy? But he said it was so and PriceWaterhouseCoopers backed him up. Editors hate to be wrong a lot more than they enjoy being partially right, so they hedged and gave his net worth a huge haircut. That’ll show him.

But they put him on the Forbes 400.

What they did not know is that Trump cared only that he was on the list. It meant he could parlay that single fact into a sterling balance sheet and he moved swiftly to buy trophy properties in a down market. Soon he was back, larger than life, richer than ever, plotting his next big move. We now know what it was.

Bluff with bravado, incredible timing and audacity, and voila, you have the art of the comeback.

The ‘Tell’
With Trump, his reflex for diagnosing his opponent’s state of mind during a negotiation is as deft as a surgeon feeling your pulse.

Trump can read your personal balance sheet, what you need to win, what makes you happy or sad or popular or humiliated, and knows these things before you do.

If you ever go mano a mano with Trump, keep an eye on the “tell.” In practical terms, pay attention to his actions and who he deploys to get things done, not necessarily his pronouncements.

To use an old fishing expression, Trumps throws a lot of chum in the water. We have all witnessed him saying one thing and doing another, or his people will do yet a different thing before he says something else. It can seem very confusing and the media calls it “chaos.” To me, it’s just code for keeping your opponent off balance, and the code breaker is Sun Tzu:

“The general is skillful in attack whose opponent does not know what to defend, and he is skillful in defense whose opponent does not know what to attack.” Head Games

President Enrique Peña Nieto of Mexico could have simply ignored Trump.
Instead, he let him get under his skin with the comment “‘they will pay for the border wall.” Now Nieto faces a difficult set of outcomes: capitulation, which is political suicide, or an economic enemy in America, which is unacceptable.

How did this impressive young politician and leader of such a great country find himself playing ‘rope a dope’ with an untested American president? This favorite Trump gambit is, again, right out of Sun Tzu:

“If your opponent is temperamental, irritate him. Then build him a golden bridge to retreat across.”Nieto will play for time most likely because he is on an uncomfortable ledge. He is practically imploring Trump to offer Mexico a way back and Trump, of course, knows this. There will be a solution and it will have two terms, America will look like a winner but in a way that makes sense for both countries. That’s how a dealmaker thinks. Your first move is just an opening feint, but your opponent mistakes it for war and overreacts.

If you find this too crazy to imagine, you haven’t followed Trump’s life story. Read how Trump the minor developer became Trump the superhero while launching his reputation and restoring a historic landmark in New York’s Central Park at a time the city was falling apart, and his relationship with New York’s powerful Mayor Koch was frosty as the Wollman Ice Rink (https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/features/2015-09-29/a-1980s-new-york-city-battle-explains-donald-trump-s-candidacy).

Trump L’oeil
There is an old George Burns routine, “it’s too bad the folks who really understand what the country needs are too busy cutting hair and driving taxis to do anything about it.”

If Trump seems bipolar at times, it is a job requirement. He has to make peace short term with the populist urges that propelled him into office like George Burns' barbers and cab drivers, only now it's factory workers in Saginaw and murder rates in Chicago. But he also has to conjure up some very adept long-term moves that will help him run the most powerful country in the world. This is pure cognitive dissonance and, to make it work, Trump needs to pull off a visual illusion worthy of Houdini.

For those not schooled in American history, Trump’s populism, some call it America First nationalism, is a very old Democrat tune. FDR turned it into his campaign theme in 1932: “These unhappy times call for the building of plans that…put their faith once more in the forgotten man at the bottom of the economic pyramid.” It took the start of WWII to get us worrying again about the rest of the world.

While the populist sentiment is very important to Trump’s American heartland voters, it is of much lesser consequence than the other mandate, which also has a two-year time stamp. It is the Miracle-Gro for our economy and is the reason I am optimistic that under Trump, America will become more global and more outwardly focused.

The Scorecard
What gets you into office doesn’t keep you there, as politicians find out to their — but no one else’s — surprise.

Trump knows the metric on which he will be judged, and the one he judges himself on, will be growth and that means firing up global trade, no matter what anyone calls it.

But he can’t do it like the establishment elites that came before. He owes his constituents the pleasure of demeaning the treaties and trade agreements and punching a few of the key partners in the nose. After which he will have the political cover and the leverage to launch a robust, if stealth, internationalism, one that can propel us in a way that is transformative. That is my thesis based on watching Trump over the years, recognizing at heart he is a centrist (and a former Democrat), an ardent businessman who uses common sense as his litmus test.

But with an economy as big as ours, he faces the same choice as Warren Buffett does in growing a company as large as Berkshire Hathaway. Buffett says he has to go ‘elephant hunting’ to find growth because nothing less moves the needle.

So who are America’s elephants?

The Trump Doctrine

“In the midst of chaos there is opportunity.” ― Sun TzuThe elephants in the room are America’s global trading partners whose economies are growing, in particular, China and India, then Brazil and Mexico, and finally, Africa and the Middle East. There is one wild card; it has Vladimir Putin’s face on it. Since stability is a key factor in the plan, Russia will play a central role, particularly with Iran and Syria. Trump's timing seems to be put out the fires first on the domestic front, get the spoilers under control, the Middle East and North Korea, then start the engines.

The cornerstone of the global pivot is to get all the big, rich friends we can. Tell them to show us respect, and yes, pay their fair share. But we can’t afford the luxury of too many enemies, economic or otherwise, as the past few decades have proved. These are great, complex global geopolitical issues that dance around the mind of this President. I believe he will sort the things we can win from the things that are hard if not impossible to do in a four-year term. He is a builder first and foremost, and he knows his ambition will be carefully disciplined by time and budget.

Driving higher and broader global growth is the only choice Trump has if he is to grow a nearly $20 trillion economy. Global commerce buys him the kind of recovery that even journalists would be inclined to applaud. But it has to happen soon. Which is why you are likely to see him jumpstart things just as soon as the final terms are set by the great negotiator.

Metternich called it the "balance of power" and the same I believe will be said of the "Trump Doctrine," only I suspect it will be tilted slightly in America's favor.

___________________________________

Author’s Bio
Jeff Cunningham is an advocate for enlightened global leadership, which he calls the most valuable natural resource in the world.

He is a Professor at ASU’s Thunderbird School of Global Management and was the former publisher of Forbes Magazine, an internet CEO and venture capital partner.

He travels the globe in search of iconic leaders. As an interviewer/host, he created a YouTube interview series, Iconic Voices (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCygwTmsozsU8Fd1iJE521OQ), now co-produced by @Thunderbird, featuring mega moguls from Warren Buffett to Jeff Immelt. His articles have been published by the Arizona Republic and are posted to LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffreymcunningham/recent-activity/posts/), Medium (https://medium.com/@cunninghamjeff), and JeffCunningham.com (https://medium.com/iconicvoices).

His career experience includes publisher of Forbes Magazine; founder of Directorship Magazine; CEO of Zip2 (founded by Elon Musk), Myway.com, and CareerTrack.com; venture partner with Schroders. He serves as a trustee of the McCain Institute and previously as a trustee of CSIS and Middle East Institute, and as an advisor to the Nobel Peace Prize Committee.

He has also been a board director of 10 public companies.

The views expressed in this article do not necessarily reflect those of Thunderbird School of Global Management or Arizona State University as a whole.

[mojo]

Former President Obama gave the nation some insights into the Democratic Party’s midterm election strategy Friday with a political speech demonizing Americans who elected Donald Trump as president and doubling down on the failed liberal ideology that devastated our economy.

In a moment reminiscent of Hillary Clinton’s outrageous characterization of Trump voters as “deplorable” and “irredeemable,” President Obama said: “I have to say this … Over the past few decades, the politics of division and resentment and paranoia has unfortunately found a home in the Republican Party.”

edit decided to post full speech
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[Bill Ryan]

Hey Bill, come to think of it, it seems you're starting to sound more & more like the MSM (Main Stream Media). Why stop at the term 'cult' or 'cultists'. Perhaps you would just like to call us just a bunch of 'deplorables', and be done with it.... Oh yeah, I forget, somebody has already used that one. Ahhhh, but that would be showing colors - political colors - Its better not go so far, eh?

I suppose that you would really rather not have the PA forum to be seen as taking on any one side of the political spectrum. And I can't blame you for that. Its better off to be an open forum, as middle-of-the-road forum as possible, isn't that correct (as in 'politically' :) )? As, Kiwi has pointed out, as popular as this particular thread has been, (number of hits / time period), it has been noted that this particular thread has never been shown to be listed in the category of Most Viewed (last 30 days) threads.

That in itself could be a political indicator of sorts, imo.
Just saying....

I'm calling you out on this. You might want to edit your post to make your points in a rather more friendly and pleasant way. :)

If you don't know me by now, you never will do. And you should, by now, too. You (and you're not the only one) seem to have lost quite some balance.


Passion is commendable. It gets things done, and encourages creative expression that can motivate and educate others, and bring about change in a world that needs it.
Being snide and unpleasant achieves nothing except alienation and division. You, and a few others, are in danger of causing some other members, who don't really want to post here for fear or being ridiculed, not to like you very much. Do think about that.

I have a right, as a member, to state my view that the Q phenomenon is a kind of cult. I stand by that. It meets many of the criteria. We can start a new thread about this... if you like. My point, which I've now made a small handful of times in 6 months, was argued concisely, with just a few bulletpoints, and I believe not disrespectfully.

If I get to be wrong, and positive things come out of this that are demonstrable, then I'll say so. But, remember: you may be wrong, too.

Your rather barbed remark about the most viewed threads list was also beneath you and 100% uncalled for. I have no knowledge about that, I never refer to that, the mods have no control over that, and even Ilie Pandia (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?998-Ilie-Pandia) (who is a world-class vBulletin expert) can't edit the forum software that generates it. You're implying some kind of covert control over the stats. Please apologize and take that remark back.

There are existing threads that discuss the anomalies in the forum's search scripts. Paul (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?2030-Paul) can say more about that (he's far better qualified than I am, as a software developer of some considerable experience ability). Ilie would, too, if he was here.

:focus:

[norman]

When Dennis said raised "Bill Ryan" I knew this was going to be a face off.


I imagined an email plotting club. I imagined that Paul was the first scalp, he was, after all, the only person Dennis wanted to actually dialog with. It was as if the rest of us weren't even here.


I'm angered by an acusation that my heartend hope that this Trump revolution will stick, is a CULT.


I know one thing. It won't succeed if we sit around mumbling to ourselves that all our critical analysis boxes are not ticked. That process of intellectual inertia is part of the problem, not the solution. The universities have been chucking out androids of that ilk for centuries, and look how that process has marshaled the downfall to this point of cultural stupidity.

[Omni]

I have a right, as a member, to state my view that the Q phenomenon is a kind of cult. I stand by that. It meets many of the criteria. We can start a new thread about this... if you like. My point, which I've now made a small handful of times in 6 months, was argued concisely, with just a few bulletpoints, and I believe not disrespectfully.
I would really like a thread about Q cultism. I have witnessed some in cybernetics in relation to Q that I would be willing to add to it.

[ThePythonicCow]

We, the Avalon mods, are of two minds regarding Q. Most of the mods, apparently including Bill as best as I can tell, are skeptical of Q and find elements of distasteful group think and unpleasant dismissal of dissension in the Q work, here on Avalon and elsewhere. I have been and continue to participate in the Q research with considerable interest and delight.

That's fine ... we chuckle at our variances.

Bill and the majority of the mods have and may well continue to moderate what problems they see. As a quite biased participant, I will smile at the usual complex diversity of humanity and continue my best efforts, both supporting this forum and supporting the research of myself and others, which at present includes the research of many into the clues dropped by Q. I will recuse myself from moderating Q threads, at least whenever my evident bias is leading me to different conclusions that my fellow moderators.

Regarding the matter of the "Most Viewed (last 30 days)" list, I fixed that last night as posted here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318&p=1246487#post1246487), and see the matter as no more than a minor administrative configuration detail.

[KiwiElf]

Latest "Q" posts, #2105 - 2117, click to enlarge images or go directly to link below (changed again; https://qanon.app/ is still having problems)

https://qanon.pub/

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Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: d33f08 No.2919757 📁
Sep 7 2018 10:02:29 (EST)
https://www.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/comments/9dum8q/microchip_microfake_you_can_change_any_chats_on/
These people are stupid.
Their attempts will FAIL.
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Q !!mG7VJxZNCI No.198 📁
Sep 7 2018 12:56:50 (EST)
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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/08/02/nunes_carter_page_fisa_redacted_to_hide_part_steele_dossier_played_cover_intel_agencies.html
Re_review important.
Who signed?
Who signed pg 380?
Who signed pg 389?
Who signed pg 390?
Who signed pg 391?
Who signed pg 392?
Pg 389 - Andrew McCabe
Pg 391 - Rod Rosenstein
Pg 271 - Dana Boente
Pg 269 - James Comey
Pg [iiiii] - Sally Yates
'KNOWINGLY' used FALSE intelligence?
Think HRC [paid for] FAKE DOSSIER .
Think Steele > BO [post FBI firing] intel collection.
Think DOJ/FBI classified leaks to FAKE NEWS > insert into FISA app in effort to provide 'new sources'.
Think PDB placement by BRENNAN to AUTHENTICATE source as credible.
Think BO >>> WEISSMANN 'regular updates' re: Steele [Firewall][Mueller]
………………….
"I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing information regarding Carter W. Page is TRUE and CORRECT."
https://vault.fbi.gov/d1-release/d1-release/view
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Q !!mG7VJxZNCI No.199 📁
Sep 7 2018 14:49:40 (EST)
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https://twitter.com/Jim_Jordan/status/1038146899046477825
#FLY[RR]FLY#
Desperate people do desperate things.
It is during this period of time that surveillance pays off.
When does a BIRD sing?
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Q !!mG7VJxZNCI No.200 📁
Sep 7 2018 14:57:28 (EST)
Goodbye, Mr. Rosenstein.
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Q !!mG7VJxZNCI No.201 📁
Sep 7 2018 15:52:42 (EST)
Why did [RR] recommend the firing of [JC] to POTUS?
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3711188-Rosenstein-letter-on-Comey-firing.html
Did the firing of [JC] provide the 'necessary vehicle' to appoint Mueller?
Who appointed Mueller?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/17/former-fbi-head-robert-mueller-named-to-oversee-russia-election-probe.html
[RR]
The plan [inter-organizational collaboration] [is] being carried out by highest level [former and current] positions [F + D].
FISA = START
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Q !!mG7VJxZNCI No.202 📁
Sep 7 2018 16:11:40 (EST) NEW
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Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: 27e1fa No.2925189 📁
Sep 7 2018 16:34:10 (EST) NEW

Anonymous ID: 05fed1 No.2925016 📁
Sep 7 2018 16:19:26 (EST) NEW
The JC tweet about standing tall over the last 8 months[B] [actuvate sleeper cells]

I think he was saying “in 8 months” to activate. That would be September

>>2925016
Do you believe in coincidences?
NYT "Anon" source?
"Sleeper Cells"
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Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: 27e1fa No.2925398 📁
Sep 7 2018 16:43:36 (EST) NEW

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: 27e1fa No.2925189 📁
Sep 7 2018 16:34:10 (EST) NEW
>>2925016
Do you believe in coincidences?
NYT "Anon" source?
"Sleeper Cells"
Q

>>2925189
Logical thinking.
Month: Sept
Public learned GJ empaneled re: McCabe?
Coincidence?
Follow the connections.
We have it all.
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Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: 27e1fa No.2925579 📁
Sep 7 2018 16:52:10 (EST) NEW
>>2925398
https://twitter.com/johnpodesta/status/1037506265398894592
[Activated]
If 'schedule' is known….
Better prepared?
SIGINT
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Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: 27e1fa No.2925765 📁
Sep 7 2018 17:00:49 (EST) NEW

Anonymous ID: 59e442 No.2925488 📁
Sep 7 2018 16:47:26 (EST) NEW
>>2925398

Can we at least have the declas please good sir

>>2925488
Specific timing rests w/ POTUS.
Hints expend ammunition.
Think NYT 'Anon' article (Ex)
The WORLD is WATCHING.
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Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: bd905b No.2925825 📁
Sep 7 2018 17:05:43 (EST) NEW
>>2925758
FISA warrant issued / approved>Papadopoulos
Mueller>>Papadopoulos
YOU MUST TARGET, REMOVE, AND SILENCE ALL THOSE ILLEGALLY TARGETED FOR FISA SURV….
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/07/former-trump-campaign-adviser-george-papadopoulos-sentenced-to-14-days-in-prison-for-lying-to-fbi.html
CLOCKWORK.
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Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: bd905b No.2925937 📁
Sep 7 2018 17:11:48 (EST) NEW

Anonymous ID: 7918a2 No.2925844 📁
Sep 7 2018 17:06:52 (EST) NEW
>>2925825
why isn't Page being targeted/locked up though?
insulated?

>>2925844
What FISA is about to be DECLAS?
Public spotlight?
How can you prosecute someone and provide testimony to the JUDGE when you KNOW the TRUE EVIDENCE is about to come to LIGHT?
Digging a deeper hole re: testimony to the court?
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Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: bd905b No.2926144 📁
Sep 7 2018 17:22:13 (EST) NEW

Anonymous ID: 42744b No.2926085 📁
Sep 7 2018 17:19:10 (EST) NEW
>>2925937

FISA Signatures

FISA 10/?/16

SSA? - Comey - Yates - DOJ?

FISA 1/?/17

SSA? - Comey - Yates - DOJ?

FISA 4/?/17

SSA? - Comey - Dana J. Boente(AAG) - DOJ?

FISA 6/?/18

SSA? - McCabe - RR - DOJ?

Boente - Resigned -10/27/17
(Hired as FBI GC 1/23/18)
Yates Fired - 1/30/17
Comey Fired - 5/9/17
McCabe - Fired - 3/16/18
(Stepped Down 1/29/18)

Only RR left…

And possibly whoever the AAG and DOJ signatores were…

>>2926085
If [RR] is dirty, Mueller must also be dirty.
if Mueller is dirty, [RR] must also be dirty.
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[Valerie Villars]

I've said it before. Q reminds me very much of the modern day "Deep Throat" of Watergate fame. The journalists cracked the code and got the story. We had to read and study that book, "All the President's Men" in Civics back in the 70's.

What's amusing is I was bored to tears with the whole thing as a teenager. Now, I enjoy the unfolding.

While I don't think Q is a cult, I do think there are ignorant people out there who may be relying on it like relying on any other spiritual or political guru. I'm just not one of them and I honestly don't see that mindset on this forum.

I do see it in John Q. Public, but that's to be expected, unfortunately.

[Helene West]

I come to this thread for one reason. To get the DROPS, man. I'm grateful that Kiwi is kind enough to relay them so we don't have to go wading through those other (hard to decipher for me) forums. That's why I come here.

There's been so many posts including my own past posts as to whether Q is true, false, a cult, patriots, etc. I don't bother posting my misgivings about Q nor the aspects of same that I like anymore because I accept that we will probably Never know who or what it is and if it's good guys or something more sinister that I shudder to think about.

Regarding separate threads, I don't understand why Onawah doesn't make an ongoing Environmental alert thread. That would be valuable, but sandwiching them here on this thread, I don't get. Likewise, since the belief that Q is a cult is as ongoing and parallel to the belief that it is for real, I think a separate thread in that regard would be more valuable than trashing or pulling this good thread apart.

As far as Bill's calling out Turiya, he's correct that Turiya can be sarcastic and as the creator of this mind-blowing forum Bill deserves more respect above the rest. That being said I feel it was all prompted by Leahy's post which is a shame because (and this is very prejudicial on my part) I don't feel Leahy gives a crap about Q one way or the other. It's like after almost a year of Q posts and no interest in the topic he was doing a drive-by on the forum and was just in the mood to poke a hole so came up with a microchip and tried to make it a macrocosm.
So bad vibes between Bill and Turiya shouldn't have emerged from such. Turiya is so well spoken and puts a lot of effort into the 'Great Awakening' if you believe in such and because of his efforts you don't have to go fishing around on mainstream if you don't want to.

We shouldn't bicker because we're all at fault anyhow. We've all had computers for almost 20 years. Those of us with an awareness of a shadow government/ruling class had it 20 years ago. We've taken forever to even utter a peep about it. I'm guilty as sin for just wanting my dose of intrigue to allay the tedium of being a working stiff who should have actualized herself more.

Just my two cents. I'm here for the Drops, man. The intrigue...the 'I wonder what Q is up to today', the scheme, the plan, the development (?), the strategem, etc.

I stopped writing my speculations at this point as they don't add anything and I defer to what the 'good book' cautions - 'keep thine own counsel'.

[norman]

. . . . I don't feel Leahy gives a crap about Q one way or the other. . . .






That's probably so, but the midterms are coming up and the 'left' is coming in hard for a kill or be killed.


The coordination is one boot drop after another. As much of the Trump support as possible has been silenced, then Obama hits the campaign trail, . . what's next... Oh I know... hit the forum world and attack them there too.




This is one thread on a massive forum, that actually has content that supports Trump, in a sea of left wing purged floating wreckage.


Jesus Christ, man, start a Trotsky sub forum or something.


Ban the hell out of me, I don't give a stuff.

[KiwiElf]

New thread for "QAnon - An Opposing POV" started here:

QAnon-An-Opposing-Viewpoint-LARP-Psyop-Cult-or-Something-Even-More-Sinister (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104156-QAnon-An-Opposing-Viewpoint-LARP-Psyop-Cult-or-Something-Even-More-Sinister&p=1246626#post1246626]http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104156)

Mods please feel free to move or edit as necessary ;)

[mojo]

There's no doubt we are a collective group of passionate people, political discussions only amp up the noise. My own bias enters threads so apologies for letting the guard down, in defense it's because its the ability to trust others not to attack even though strong words might be said. Hopefully were grace is received it will also be given.

[edina]

Hey Bill, come to think of it, it seems you're starting to sound more & more like the MSM (Main Stream Media). Why stop at the term 'cult' or 'cultists'. Perhaps you would just like to call us just a bunch of 'deplorables', and be done with it.... Oh yeah, I forget, somebody has already used that one. Ahhhh, but that would be showing colors - political colors - Its better not go so far, eh?

I suppose that you would really rather not have the PA forum to be seen as taking on any one side of the political spectrum. And I can't blame you for that. Its better off to be an open forum, as middle-of-the-road forum as possible, isn't that correct (as in 'politically' :) )? As, Kiwi has pointed out, as popular as this particular thread has been, (number of hits / time period), it has been noted that this particular thread has never been shown to be listed in the category of Most Viewed (last 30 days) threads.

That in itself could be a political indicator of sorts, imo.
Just saying....

I'm calling you out on this. You might want to edit your post to make your points in a rather more friendly and pleasant way. :)

If you don't know me by now, you never will do. And you should, by now, too. You (and you're not the only one) seem to have lost quite some balance.


Passion is commendable. It gets things done, and encourages creative expression that can motivate and educate others, and bring about change in a world that needs it.
Being snide and unpleasant achieves nothing except alienation and division. You, and a few others, are in danger of causing some other members, who don't really want to post here for fear or being ridiculed, not to like you very much. Do think about that.

I have a right, as a member, to state my view that the Q phenomenon is a kind of cult. I stand by that. It meets many of the criteria. We can start a new thread about this... if you like. My point, which I've now made a small handful of times in 6 months, was argued concisely, with just a few bulletpoints, and I believe not disrespectfully.

If I get to be wrong, and positive things come out of this that are demonstrable, then I'll say so. But, remember: you may be wrong, too.

Your rather barbed remark about the most viewed threads list was also beneath you and 100% uncalled for. I have no knowledge about that, I never refer to that, the mods have no control over that, and even Ilie Pandia (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?998-Ilie-Pandia) (who is a world-class vBulletin expert) can't edit the forum software that generates it. You're implying some kind of covert control over the stats. Please apologize and take that remark back.

There are existing threads that discuss the anomalies in the forum's search scripts. Paul (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?2030-Paul) can say more about that (he's far better qualified than I am, as a software developer of some considerable experience ability). Ilie would, too, if he was here.

:focus:


Please apologize and take that remark back.

This is awkward to read and raises red flags for me. I don't think turiya owes you an apology.

I'd like to see you hold yourself accountable to the same standards you are holding other people, too.

Are you paying attention to your tone and your barbed insults?

Also, the issue that turiya brought up has been brought up before, several times since I've been here.

However, this time... thank you Paul, ... Paul fixed it. :) (that is if I understood correctly, that it's fixed, lol )

You do come off very biased Bill. It's unbecoming to you and it's undermining your creditability, at least with me.

Please don't back peddle now. It's humourous and doesn't help the situation a bit. Just consider how your communicating and do a bit of self-reflection on why it's coming off the way it does.

Back on topic :focus:

[Foxie Loxie]

Well...."they" have accomplished what "they" set out to do here on the Forum & it makes me sad. :facepalm:

This is where I found the answers to my questions & I am SO grateful to Bill for starting the Forum! :happy dog:

It matters not whether 'Q' is "real" or not...what matters is that some people are taking on what is wrong in this world & trying to do something about it....that's "good" isn't it, whether we agree with how it's being carried out or not. ;)

[edina]

Thank you for your kind message Edina. it is much appreciated. There is always room for more genuine kindness in this conflicted world!

I'm certain that YOU have considered my concerns, though I'm not sure some of the hotheads on the forum have! :lol: No problem--I suppose this whole process is quite necessary. I just get tired of male posturing very quickly, and there's been a lot of that going on. If it weren't for you and the other grounded women posting on the Q thread, I doubt I would be able to go there at all.

I am working 20 hours a week now, and it's not what I pictured for myself at age 70, but I'm grateful to be able to bring in some extra income, because Social Security just doesn't pay all the bills. But I don't have time to focus on all the news, and have to be selective.

But I'm actually glad that the forum is covering the Q material because I do recognize it's importance, but politics has never been my strong suit, and I have been on Avalon for as long as I have because it deals with subjects that the mainstream usually ignores, such as ET & psychic phenomena, the Illuminati and the NWO, forbidden archeology, etc.-- subjects I have some personal experience with and interest in. I imagine there are other forums where Q and related political info is the ONLY subject matter being discussed. It does bother me that so much of Avalon is now devoted to it, but it will run its course in time, and I'm OK with that, so long as Avalon remains intact and available for ongoing conspiracy research on other topics, and retains its unique value.

I know the recent ruckus was largely because of Dennis's posts. I don't have an opinion one way or the other as to who was right in that debate, but I appreciate anyone who tries to post an alternate view from the majority on the Q thread because of the "winning team" mentality there, as though there was some kind of coup taking place on Avalon of Q supporters versus other, long standing Avalon members.

Similar problems have developed a few times before, such as when Atticus was the new big deal on the forum, and it got very ugly before it just all blew up in everyone's face. I avoided that thread, just as I did the ones about Corey Goode when he was on the forum. It happened again with the Simon Parkes threads, and I got in the middle of that one somehow, which is not an experience I care to repeat. There was a ruckus for awhile about channeled information that actually turned out very well, and I was happy to have been involved with that, for the most part.

Some threads just accumulate a certain energy that is toxic for me, and it's not totally because of the information being presented itself, but the way in which it's being discussed. That has been the case for me with the Q thread as well. (Sometimes the problems arise on such threads due to hidden motivations that people have for the stances they take, and sometimes there are shills that sneak in to make things more difficult. It can get messy, so old members who have been through the forum wars can tend to get cautious.)

There is still, thankfully, room on Avalon for other very fascinating subjects to be discussed, though less so since the Q thread began taking off. And it's not really that there's not room, it's that new members are going to be attracted here because of the general vibe of the forum overall, and old members will leave if they lose interest. If the main subject being discussed is political, it's not going to attract new people as much who have breaking info on other subjects of import.

That makes me sad, because Avalon has been very high on the list of conspiracy theory forums for a long time, and we've done some amazing work on a variety of very important issues other than mainly political ones.

I guess that about covers it, and being another intuitive, I imagine you already understood what my concerns have been, but it felt good to express them anyway.

Finally, sending these same wishes that you sent to me back to you, with appreciation:
"I just want to thank you again for sharing your thoughts and your concerns.
And wish you the very best on the path your heart, intuition and inner guidance takes you.
The work you do is important. Thank you for that, too."

Hopefully this will help promote understanding and dispel some of the current friction on the forum.
Best wishes, :hug:
Natalie



onawah, Thank you for sharing this.

Your concerns are valid, understandable and have actually been heard, and considered.

There are many benefits to following this thread, and a person doesn't have to support the Q movement to gain value from reading this thread.
Most notably, is that the posts track emerging current events ahead of other sources. And offers resource links for people who are interested in following these current events to inform and educate themselves in a very time efficient way. At least, this is how it's worked out for me.

If a person wants to debate the creditability of the whole Q movement, though. Then, it's helpful if they have read the posts enough to have a constructive, intelligent and thoughtful conversation about it.

This thread has morphed over the months from one of debating and considering the validity of the Q posts to one of cooperation and harmonious sharing of information that emerges from the Q posts. People can look at this information and decide what's valid and useful for them and what's not.

I don't think anyone was registering their complaints about people who find fault don't read the Q posts are directed at you. To me, it's obvious you have tried to stayed informed.
It's just that your heart is in a different direction. An equally important direction. (As my heart guides me in this direction.)

What happens in other threads, I am not aware of, because I have limited time, so I prioritize my focus on where my heart guides me.
And as I said, this thread allows me to do this in a very time and energy efficient way.

I just want to thank you again for sharing your thoughts and your concerns.
And wish you the very best on the path your heart, intuition and inner guidance takes you.
The work you do is important. Thank you for that, too. :heart:

Thank you Natalie. :sun:

I think in full disclosure, I ought to admit, I was one of the people who joined the forum because of the Charles threads.

The conversations that happened in those threads were invigorating and stimulating, and I thoroughly enjoyed the whole process.

I learned a lot!!!!

I went to Atticus1 when it was opened and continued to learn.

I continue to read Atticus now, he writes as Cockney Translater at his own site. He hasn't written in a while.

He has a unique voice, not necessarily everyone's cup of tea. But I enjoy his writing style.

And I learn much from reading his words. He makes me think.

Every day, I consider things I have learned from him, as I am taking in what is happening in the world right now.

For example, in one Cockney Translater post he shared some experiences about something he called a Consortium, and mentioned Nancy Pelosi (https://cockneytranslater.com/home/index.php/cockney-translater/episode-38).

I consider this as I am looking at the various Foundations set up by people like the Clintons, McCain, Maxine Waters, and Nancy Pelosi and their foundations aren't even the tip of the iceberg.


For another example, I keep the mention of the ones who went to China, in a side pocket of my mind, as I am observing and researching what is happening in the world.

In many ways, he helped prepare the ground for what I am doing in regard to the Q posts.

I understand many people here on Avalon would disagree with me, but I appreciate the experience. For me, it was not a failure.

As for the others you mentioned, I never got involved in those threads.

There's so much to learn.... LOL... I'm never bored and wish I had much more time to do more than I do now.

I wish you great prosperity in your part time job. Amazing, you have the fortune to live to 70 years old. Hooray!!!! Good health to you, too.:flower:

[onawah]

As stated in my recent post here, there have been threads featuring opposing views, and I'm surprised your memory is that short, Helene.
To fill in the blanks a bit more about what happened with those--though posts were based on legitimate concerns and based on documented information, they were belittled and trashed by pro-Trump members whose comments were rude, confrontational and designed to silence rather than encourage discussion, some of the posts so lengthy I was suspecting we have a shill in our midst who was being paid for working full time to create more division here.
So been there, done that, and until the bad behavior is reined in sufficiently by the Mods, I won't be making much of an attempt like that again.
Turiya's recent post doesn't give me a lot of reason to hope.
But kudos to Bill, Paul and Joe for making a dent at least, hopefully.
A few times I have posted information on this thread just to give the offenders a taste of their own medicine, because they had gone for so long without being questioned at all.




Regarding separate threads, I don't understand why Onawah doesn't make an ongoing Environmental alert thread. That would be valuable, but sandwiching them here on this thread, I don't get. Likewise, since the belief that Q is a cult is as ongoing and parallel to the belief that it is for real, I think a separate thread in that regard would be more valuable than trashing or pulling this good thread apart.

.

[ThePythonicCow]

However, this time... thank you Paul, ... Paul fixed it. :) (that is if I understood correctly, that it's fixed, lol )
Well, I can fix bits some of the time. They are rather simple minded (though there's lots of them, so they can still gang up on and overwhelm even the best geeks brain.)

But when dealing with humans, myself included, especially when faced with topics that invite very different, conflicting, answers depending on how you look at them ... all I can do is chuckle and carry on, doing what I figure is best from my perspective, and leaving room for others to do the same, while doing what I can to keep the discussion healthy and diverse on the forum, aware that these are sometimes seemingly conflicting goals, so not worrying too much when I don't know what better to do.

[ThePythonicCow]

Well...."they" have accomplished what "they" set out to do here on the Forum & it makes me sad. :facepalm:
Hah! Not even close, Foxie Loxie.

Avalon continues, thanks to the continuing contributions of many wonderful, varied people, in various ways.

An afternoon thunderstorm might have sent the dog I had earlier in this life cowering in the corner, but it's energizing to many of us, and nothing much in particular to those who have been through a couple of major hurricanes.

[edina]

Well...."they" have accomplished what "they" set out to do here on the Forum & it makes me sad. :facepalm:

This is where I found the answers to my questions & I am SO grateful to Bill for starting the Forum! :happy dog:

It matters not whether 'Q' is "real" or not...what matters is that some people are taking on what is wrong in this world & trying to do something about it....that's "good" isn't it, whether we agree with how it's being carried out or not. ;)

I think I'm still very optimistic. We are still rocking along, and will continue to do so for a good while. :)

[Noelle]

Well...."they" have accomplished what "they" set out to do here on the Forum & it makes me sad. :facepalm:

This is where I found the answers to my questions & I am SO grateful to Bill for starting the Forum! :happy dog:

It matters not whether 'Q' is "real" or not...what matters is that some people are taking on what is wrong in this world & trying to do something about it....that's "good" isn't it, whether we agree with how it's being carried out or not. ;)

Don't be sad, Foxie. :heart: We're just weathering a bit of turbulence on our journey (and we're all on the same journey). We've come a long way in this thread, with countless hours of research spread out amongst us.

I am proud of everyone who has dedicated so much of their time and mental resources over the last 12 months to the thread. :clapping:

[KiwiElf]

Surveillance Initiated,Tracking,Desperate People Do Desperate Things,Goodbye [RR] - X22 Report Episode 1658b

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X22Report
Published on Sep 7, 2018

Trump wants Sessions to go after the anonymous NY Times article writer, part of the plan.

For the first time Obama calls out Trump, panic sets in.

Twitter says they have banned around 600,000 accounts.

Mattis make an unannounced visit to Kabul.

Iranians burn down their consulate in Iraq.

Russia and Syria push the offensive in Syria.

Trump does a 180 and says we want regime change in Syria, wink, wink.

"Q" drops more breadcrumbs.

They are keeping an eye on everyone and it seems RR decided to run and he might have been stopped. The declas is coming very soon, could be any day.

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Fed Unprepared For The Next Crisis, Translation:Their System Is Done - X22 Report Episode 1658a

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X22Report
Published on Sep 7, 2018

Public and private pensions are in trouble, they are so underfunded that when the next crisis hits many people will discover their retirement does not exist.

The MSM is now pushing the idea that the Fed interest rate hikes are enough and they should back off now.

Fed reports that they will not be prepared for the next crisis, which means their system is done.

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[turiya]

Hey Bill, come to think of it, it seems you're starting to sound more & more like the MSM (Main Stream Media). Why stop at the term 'cult' or 'cultists'. Perhaps you would just like to call us just a bunch of 'deplorables', and be done with it.... Oh yeah, I forget, somebody has already used that one. Ahhhh, but that would be showing colors - political colors - Its better not go so far, eh?

I suppose that you would really rather not have the PA forum to be seen as taking on any one side of the political spectrum. And I can't blame you for that. Its better off to be an open forum, as middle-of-the-road forum as possible, isn't that correct (as in 'politically' :) )? As, Kiwi has pointed out, as popular as this particular thread has been, (number of hits / time period), it has been noted that this particular thread has never been shown to be listed in the category of Most Viewed (last 30 days) threads.

That in itself could be a political indicator of sorts, imo.
Just saying....

I'm calling you out on this. You might want to edit your post to make your points in a rather more friendly and pleasant way. :)

If you don't know me by now, you never will do. And you should, by now, too. You (and you're not the only one) seem to have lost quite some balance.


Passion is commendable. It gets things done, and encourages creative expression that can motivate and educate others, and bring about change in a world that needs it.
Being snide and unpleasant achieves nothing except alienation and division. You, and a few others, are in danger of causing some other members, who don't really want to post here for fear or being ridiculed, not to like you very much. Do think about that.

I have a right, as a member, to state my view that the Q phenomenon is a kind of cult. I stand by that. It meets many of the criteria. We can start a new thread about this... if you like. My point, which I've now made a small handful of times in 6 months, was argued concisely, with just a few bulletpoints, and I believe not disrespectfully.

If I get to be wrong, and positive things come out of this that are demonstrable, then I'll say so. But, remember: you may be wrong, too.

Your rather barbed remark about the most viewed threads list was also beneath you and 100% uncalled for. I have no knowledge about that, I never refer to that, the mods have no control over that, and even Ilie Pandia (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?998-Ilie-Pandia) (who is a world-class vBulletin expert) can't edit the forum software that generates it. You're implying some kind of covert control over the stats. Please apologize and take that remark back.

There are existing threads that discuss the anomalies in the forum's search scripts. Paul (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?2030-Paul) can say more about that (he's far better qualified than I am, as a software developer of some considerable experience ability). Ilie would, too, if he was here.

:focus:

Well, I think Paul had already explained the technical anomally that exists regarding the Most Viewed (last 30 days) threads issue - didn't realize it only tagged recently created threads.

As, far a being 'barbed', 'snide', and disrespectful... that was not at all intended. I am sorry that you took my straight forward comments the way you did. There was an attempt to add a tone of humor with my comments, however Brits & Americans do have different cultural funny bones when it comes down to it. Obviously, we have somewhat of a personality difference that doesn't mesh as well together - at least as much I had hoped it would. Trust me, I have been aware & sensitive to that for quite some time. Its been quite apparent to me that you avoid my posts. I have long hoped that this distancing would diminish over time. In this latest attempt to have an exchange with you was also my way of having you get to know me a bit better. Obviously, it did not go well. To that I am disappointed. Disappointed in myself, that is, as I see that it rubbed you the wrong way. Rest assured, I will refrain in future from attempting to bridge the gap that lay between our personality differences.

I am sorry that you see me in such a light.
Best regards & cheers. And, agreed ==> :focus:

[onawah]

I for one have a very hard time seeing your comments as being humorous in any light whatsoever, Turiya.
I am American and have known a lot of Brits, and I doubt that many people of either nationality would see them as anything other than barbed, snide and disrespectful, either.
Having been a target of your barbed, snide disrespect myself, I support Bill in calling you out.
Your apology doesn't strike me as being at all sincere.
I think you could learn a lot from Sam Vaknin, and I'm quite sincere about that. You could start here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97293-20-Basic-Tactics-Used-By-Narcissists-Sociopaths-And-Psychopaths-To-manipulate-And-Silence-A-Prey&p=1246399#post1246399




Hey Bill, come to think of it, it seems you're starting to sound more & more like the MSM (Main Stream Media). Why stop at the term 'cult' or 'cultists'. Perhaps you would just like to call us just a bunch of 'deplorables', and be done with it.... Oh yeah, I forget, somebody has already used that one. Ahhhh, but that would be showing colors - political colors - Its better not go so far, eh?

I suppose that you would really rather not have the PA forum to be seen as taking on any one side of the political spectrum. And I can't blame you for that. Its better off to be an open forum, as middle-of-the-road forum as possible, isn't that correct (as in 'politically' :) )? As, Kiwi has pointed out, as popular as this particular thread has been, (number of hits / time period), it has been noted that this particular thread has never been shown to be listed in the category of Most Viewed (last 30 days) threads.

That in itself could be a political indicator of sorts, imo.
Just saying....

...

As, far a being 'barbed', 'snide', and disrespectful... that was not at all intended. I am sorry that you took my straight forward comments the way you did. There was an attempt to add a tone of humor with my comments, however Brits & Americans do have different cultural funny bones when it comes down to it.

[edina]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4vvW2RknqU

Playing out in real time, just like the Q posts have indicated it would.

The facts behind the FISA issue.

The Grand Jury already happening, in this case Andrew McCabe.

Declassification of the documents, FISA, 302's, texts, ect...

It's going public...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8Td-viLG1Y

https://i.redd.it/spct2u3xxvk11.png

https://i.redd.it/xd4qiot10wk11.png

[edina]

I for one have a very hard time seeing your comments as being humorous in any light whatsoever, Turiya.
I have known a lot of Brits, and I doubt that they would see them as anything other than barbed, snide and disrespectful, either.
Having been a target of your barbed, snide disrespect myself, I support Bill in calling you out.
Your apology doesn't strike me as being at all sincere.
I think you could learn a lot from Sam Vaknin, and I'm quite sincere about that. You could start here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97293-20-Basic-Tactics-Used-By-Narcissists-Sociopaths-And-Psychopaths-To-manipulate-And-Silence-A-Prey&p=1246399#post1246399





Hey Bill, come to think of it, it seems you're starting to sound more & more like the MSM (Main Stream Media). Why stop at the term 'cult' or 'cultists'. Perhaps you would just like to call us just a bunch of 'deplorables', and be done with it.... Oh yeah, I forget, somebody has already used that one. Ahhhh, but that would be showing colors - political colors - Its better not go so far, eh?

I suppose that you would really rather not have the PA forum to be seen as taking on any one side of the political spectrum. And I can't blame you for that. Its better off to be an open forum, as middle-of-the-road forum as possible, isn't that correct (as in 'politically' :) )? As, Kiwi has pointed out, as popular as this particular thread has been, (number of hits / time period), it has been noted that this particular thread has never been shown to be listed in the category of Most Viewed (last 30 days) threads.

That in itself could be a political indicator of sorts, imo.
Just saying....

...

As, far a being 'barbed', 'snide', and disrespectful... that was not at all intended. I am sorry that you took my straight forward comments the way you did. There was an attempt to add a tone of humor with my comments, however Brits & Americans do have different cultural funny bones when it comes down to it.

Are you accusing turiya of being a narcissist, sociopath or pyschopath?

I felt turiya's apology was very humble. And sincere. turiya did far more than I would have expected.
And still feels it's awkward that Bill asked for an apology, that seemed like a power play to me. An Admin throwing his weight around.


Note Added: Bill has a right to make his point. And he uses his fair share of snide remarks and sarcasm, too. However, the addition of asking someone to apologize in the context of Bill's post was not necessary. It was liking asking someone to submit. I would feel this way regardless of whom and by whom that request was made. It's a standard power play.

Earlier I wrote that it was awkward to read. But the truth is, it was very icky to read. Made my skin crawl. In fact, it still does.

[RunningDeer]

There’s a rhythm to allowance and forgiveness.
(I might’ve stopped by too early.)
But…for those that are ready to move beyond the ickies…this is for you.

And for you when you’re ready.
Meanwhile, take all the time you need.http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/come-in-hug.gif

♡
https://i.imgur.com/IH5XZhw.jpg

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/s-good-night.gif

[onawah]

I corrected my post to read "I for one have a very hard time seeing your comments as being humorous in any light whatsoever, Turiya.
I am American and have known a lot of Brits, and I doubt that many people of either nationality would see them as anything other than barbed, snide and disrespectful, either.
Having been a target of your barbed, snide disrespect myself, I support Bill in calling you out.
Your apology doesn't strike me as being at all sincere." etc.
I am not qualified to diagnose anyone's personality disorder, and I think most of us may share traits that narcissists, sociopaths and psychopaths exhibit at times, sometime in our lives, some more than others.
People who fit those categories can also be sincere and seemingly humble at times, but they are also very good actors, and can easily dodge detection.
In any case, I think we can all learn something from a self-admitted narcissist like Sam Vaknin, whose talks some of us on the forum find to be quite fascinating.
What's fascinating is when someone really confronts and fully acknowledges their Shadow side--now, that is hard to fake.
And I think Bill was well within his rights, both as a member of Avalon and as Admin.
Just my opinion, but I have crossed swords with Bill myself, almost to the point once of being unsubscribed.
I don't think I ever felt he has abused his power as the host and creator of this site, and he is a heck of a lot more patient than I would have expected him to be, especially given how much influence this forum has as forums go, and how many people read our posts.

And now I really will bow out of this thread.
:bowing:

[mojo]

Attorney Lisa Barsoomian represents Hillary Clinton and she is also Rod Rosentein's wife. Q mentioned follow the wives and in his recent post he says, "Goodbye to RR."
Q !!mG7VJxZNCI No.200 📁
Sep 7 2018 14:57:28 (EST)
Goodbye, Mr. Rosenstein.
Q

Does anyone think RR will become a cooperating witness? I can't imagine he would ever do that based on where is wife's allegiance lies towards Hillary???
Q also said if RR is dirty so is Mueller. Does this now mean we can safely say Mueller is still Black Hat? Paul mentioned an intriguing point that he can still be helpful or cooperate? I can't see Mueller cooperating just as Rosenstein can't because of ties...

[edina]

https://i.redd.it/spct2u3xxvk11.png

https://i.redd.it/xd4qiot10wk11.png

Elizabeth Warren is calling to impeach President Trump based on the NYT anonymous Op-ed and the recent book that makes false claims of quoting General Kelly and General Mattis.

Think about it... calling to impeach a President, using Amendment 25, based on an anonymous OP-Ed, and a libelous book?

The idea of "sleeper cells" seems to indicate a pre-planned coordinated effort?

This is sort of like a "head's up."

Oh, the National Emergency Alert System test is scheduled for 20 September with a back up of 3 October.

https://www.fcc.gov/fcc-announces-planned-emergency-alert-tests-september-20-2018

[mojo]

Serial Brain shares on the globalism push.. deep stuff
mATQqTSaMIw

[ThePythonicCow]

Does this now mean we can safely say Mueller is still Black Hat? Paul mentioned an intriguing point that he can still be helpful or cooperate? I can't see Mueller cooperating just as Rosenstein can't because of ties...
I wouldn't trust Mueller any further than I could throw Henry Kissinger or Chris Christie.

But Trump is enough of a game player to use Mueller's reliable bull dog tenacity to Trump's advantage, by setting up Mueller's investigation as a major distraction, with little risk to Trump, because "there is no there there", while Trump's allies quietly set about identifying and starting to clean out some of the rot.

[mojo]

Hi all,
There were some discussion about the Trump Rally in Montana, so decided to watch the video again. There's something that is happening maybe a threat as the Secret Service acted. Start at 34:00 and the people behind Trump. Soon the checkered shirt gets handed something he keeps concealed. In a minute or two he attaches it to his shirt. The symbol on the tag he place looks unique. The checkered shirt says something but I couldn't tell. He seems to be interacting with someone in the audience as well. Soon the SS take him away and a short time later they come back for the other two.
Watched twice the checkered shirt is opposed to Trumps speech by lip reading and his non-verbal cues. This revealed a big gap in the security for the President and I truly hope they close any gaps in threats.
He points to the symbol again, anyone have a thought about the colors and shape of it?
QD_RST1r4oY

[Michelle Marie]

Over a Dozen CIA Agents Killed over Hillary's Leaked Emails
EXL8NQFUHJ0

Too many losses of life and liberty as a result of this gigantic crime syndicate.

A great reason to continue the momentum in uncovering the truth.

MM

[jake gittes]

It finally dawned on me what one of the main purposes of Qanon was … to organize us.


Knowing that they know everything, thanks to the NSA collecting everything about everyone, they determined that there were enough of us out here who are fed up with the corruption and evil of the deep state. "They" to whom I am referring to is/are the Q-team, which I presume to be a mixture of intel/military white hats who are also fed up with the corruption and evil. With their access to all that info - what websites we visit, our comments at those websites, etc. - they were able to determine "we" vs. "they." The Q-team tallied it up and realized they had a powerful, yet untapped, disorganized army of us -- us being the decent, ordinary, every-day folk who want an honest and fair government, an end to corruption and their satanic-child-killing ways, and to just pursue happiness, enjoy life and actually live with liberty.


Now, instead of us shouting into various echo chambers, we have been rallied around Q and now have a powerful, collective voice. Don't believe it? Check out all the Q-followers at Trump rallies, comment sections and especially Q-cited Tweets, where the Q army arrives by the hundreds and responds with a variety of comments, memes, jokes, facts, etc. that blow the bad guys out of the water. I never followed "Twitter" before or had any desire to do so. But now it puts a smile on my face to check out a Tweet referenced by Q then to scroll down below what is often some phony, sanctimonious tweet by a deep state swamp rat, and read reply after reply after reply from informed opposition that shred the mendacity to ribbons and share information that is likely to pique the interest of someone not yet in the loop to take the red pill and jump down the hole.

[ThePythonicCow]

Over a Dozen CIA Agents Killed over Hillary's Leaked Emails

http://static7.businessinsider.com/image/4ea170396bb3f7e928000020/hillary-clinton-on-qaddafi-we-came-we-saw-he-died.jpg



We leaked, we lied, they died.

[KiwiElf]

There’s a rhythm to allowance and forgiveness.
(I might’ve stopped by too early.)
But…for those that are ready to move beyond the ickies…this is for you.

And for you when you’re ready.
Meanwhile, take all the time you need.http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/come-in-hug.gif

♡
https://i.imgur.com/IH5XZhw.jpg

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/s-good-night.gif

Paula, that is the biggest darned joint I have ever seen! (Cheech n Chong, eat ur hearts out!) :) ;):bearhug:

[KiwiElf]

Latest praying Medic Video -Q Anon September 7 - We Are Q

Another long one, 1hr 18 min; picks up where the last video left off, bringing us up to drop #2044. (see page 329 of this thread & earlier)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-a---Very-Bad-Day---Scenario-for-some-elite-swamp-critters/page329

lbuwTX29kHE

prayingmedic
Published on Sep 7, 2018

Qanon gives us an up-close look at the apparatus used to illegally spy on President Trump.

[Richard S.]

There’s a rhythm to allowance and forgiveness.
(I might’ve stopped by too early.)
But…for those that are ready to move beyond the ickies…this is for you.

And for you when you’re ready.
Meanwhile, take all the time you need.http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/come-in-hug.gif

♡
https://i.imgur.com/IH5XZhw.jpg

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/s-good-night.gif

Paula, that is the biggest darned joint I have ever seen! (Cheech n Chong, eat ur hearts out!) :) ;):bearhug:

LMAO...

Funny, look into smudging...

[RunningDeer]

Funny, look into smudging...
RunningDeer’s inner chatter:

Petty cleverness.…speaks volumes.
There’s a time and a place.
Timing's everything; KiwiElf gets it.

In case smudging doesn’t represent the intended heartfelt gesture, then substitute this.
Note: sometimes a teddybear is just a teddybear.


https://i.imgur.com/XZjFVJ0.jpg

[mountain_jim]

For current discussion of the possible significance of the Emergency Broadcast system test and 3 'subversives' at the rally, see

https://www.neonrevolt.com/2018/09/08/goodbye-mr-rosenstein-the-world-is-changing-newq-qanon-greatawakening-neonrevolt/



A similar thing even played out for us in front of the cameras at last night’s rally in Montana, with the three subversives dressed up like Trump supporters, right behind Trump.

https://www.neonrevolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/41116984_1185040121635079_8821091552936853504_n.jpg

< for other images go to link >

At 107:50-ish, Trump starts talking about “Draining the Swamp” and #FlannelBoi – with his unblinking MKUltra stare and his Democratic Socialist Rosette pin displayed proudly on his chest – can’t help himself. He visibly shakes his head “No.”

Less than 30 seconds later, he’s being removed by the Secret Service – a move which makes both his “tovarishchi” very uncomfortable. The dude goes visibly red, and doubles-down on suddenly paying attention to what Trump has to say, and following all the social cues such as clapping – but a bit too hard.

After feeling the “eye of Sauron” gaze upon them for ~9 more minutes, both of them would be removed by Secret Service as well.



also at this link info about Alex Jones ties, and much more.



The research on these pages (Part 7, specifically) actually dovetails nicely with this article – and Jones’ potential connections with Saudi Arms Dealer/Investor Adnan Khashoggi, and the Saudi/Mossad-backed Genesis Communication Network –

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/02/19/the-growing-complexity-of-alex-jones-israeli-connections/

https://i-cdn.embed.ly/1/display/crop?height=300&key=fd92ebbc52fc43fb98f69e50e7893c13&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.veteranstoday.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F02%2Faqaba-israel_002.jpg&width=636

I would normally pull a quote from this… but it’s too large and insane to pull any one quote from. (Seriously – how often does that happen, that I can’t sum something up quickly for you guys?)

The short of it is… Jones has ties to the Bronfmans, and through them, this Saudi billionaire Adnan Khashoggi – who is actually a Mossad agent himself posing as a Muslim, an Arabist – and they’ve spent years building up this Mossad-backed-and-operated network of companies in America – essentially acting as “conspiracy” gatekeepers.

[norman]

Every day, I consider things I have learned from him [Charles], as I am taking in what is happening in the world right now.

For example, in one Cockney Translater post he shared some experiences about something he called a Consortium, and mentioned Nancy Pelosi (https://cockneytranslater.com/home/index.php/cockney-translater/episode-38).

I consider this as I am looking at the various Foundations set up by people like the Clintons, McCain, Maxine Waters, and Nancy Pelosi and their foundations aren't even the tip of the iceberg.


For another example, I keep the mention of the ones who went to China, in a side pocket of my mind, as I am observing and researching what is happening in the world. . . . . .




I have no doubt in my mind that Charles was exactly who he said he was, or more precisely, he did exactly what he said he did.


I still have several questions I'd like to ask the guy, but I don't think he'd answer them.


The biggy that lingers, for me, is that he revealed that the "group" disbanded and returned to their various, oh I don't know, let's call them power bases. That was in around 2011.



What was that all about?


What were they working on together before they abandoned it and split? Was it a unified global power structure? Did they decide it could not be achieved at that time ? The Russian faction would not yield to it ?


Is this rebirth of regional power and nationalism the outcome of the collapse of that group ?


So many questions, and not out of place, at all, in this Q thread, I believe.

[mojo]

FAKE NEWS CNN, of course puts an innocent spin on this, also that symbol was a rose, not sure of the meaning if any?

The Reddit site great awakening page wont load...

CFnF3jAvpTw

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

'Plaid shirt guy' identified as Tyler Linfesty, high school student from Billings, Montana.

CNN were quick to snap him up for a little bit of propaganda.

I'd have thought that attendees in the prime spot behind Potus (for all the cameras to see) get properly vetted beforehand. Not saying he's done anything wrong, but this does feel a bit strange. Was he a plant from the beginning?

CFnF3jAvpTw

edit: mojo beat me to it. :p


FAKE NEWS CNN, of course puts an innocent spin on this, also that symbol was a rose, not sure of the meaning if any?

A Democratic Socialist America pin apparently.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/gIYjLSh87QHayTVkB00njrsbHICkCDYvEWTNaVGS2O1YJv2XD7Q3rL2Zt8KbYlnJxJmoCQ=s85

[Oddball]

It finally dawned on me what one of the main purposes of Qanon was … to organize us.


Knowing that they know everything, thanks to the NSA collecting everything about everyone, they determined that there were enough of us out here who are fed up with the corruption and evil of the deep state. "They" to whom I am referring to is/are the Q-team, which I presume to be a mixture of intel/military white hats who are also fed up with the corruption and evil. With their access to all that info - what websites we visit, our comments at those websites, etc. - they were able to determine "we" vs. "they." The Q-team tallied it up and realized they had a powerful, yet untapped, disorganized army of us -- us being the decent, ordinary, every-day folk who want an honest and fair government, an end to corruption and their satanic-child-killing ways, and to just pursue happiness, enjoy life and actually live with liberty.


Now, instead of us shouting into various echo chambers, we have been rallied around Q and now have a powerful, collective voice. Don't believe it? Check out all the Q-followers at Trump rallies, comment sections and especially Q-cited Tweets, where the Q army arrives by the hundreds and responds with a variety of comments, memes, jokes, facts, etc. that blow the bad guys out of the water. I never followed "Twitter" before or had any desire to do so. But now it puts a smile on my face to check out a Tweet referenced by Q then to scroll down below what is often some phony, sanctimonious tweet by a deep state swamp rat, and read reply after reply after reply from informed opposition that shred the mendacity to ribbons and share information that is likely to pique the interest of someone not yet in the loop to take the red pill and jump down the hole.

Epic post here. I totally get what youre saying and agree with you 100%.

I'll tell you another thing that this Q "cult" has done for me anyways.

This time last year, I did'nt know that the FBI is responsible for gathering evidence for criminal cases, but its the DOJ that actually has to prosecute. I did'nt know exactly how the FISA court operated, or how they decided who was worthy of being spied on. I did'nt know that Obama had a Saudi Prince pay for his college, I did'nt know that the same Saudi prince gave him a list of people and positions to fill when he was elected and almost every position on that list was filled by exactly who he wanted in there. I did not know about Huma, VJ the muslim brotherhood, exactly what went down with the Awan scandal. I did'nt know the details on Uranium one, or the Iran deal. I never knew that Suckerberg is actually david Rockefellers grandson. I had never heard of the Payseurs. I never knew about 4am drops. I knew there was government corruption, anyone paying even a little bit of attention can see that, but I never knew that it ran so deep or involved so many people.

In short, there are several critical aspects of our governmental infrastructure that I was unaware of what they did, or exactly how they operated. Things that they don't really cover too well in civics. (I'm thinking thats done on purpose, like Q has said several times now, The more you know....)

And I am sure that I'm not the only one. I had to teach myself quite a bit. Thank God for it though.

So regardless of the naysayers, this whole Great Awakening thing has educated me (Heck, all of us) and armed me with one of the most potent weapons you can have.

Knowledge truly is power.

[Foxie Loxie]

:highfive::highfive:

Right on, Oddball!! ;)

[mojo]

Thank you Star Mariner for uncovering the meaning of the symbol, That makes sense now why he kept touching it and treating it special. Your absolutely right about vetting the area immediately around the President. It could have been very disastrous and a terrorist would have taken advantage being 2 steps away and there were 3 of them. Each could have had parts of nerve agent or acted together before anyone could react and it was just scary to see in real time. It was a huge gap in security. CNN should be held accountable for their spin on the news acting like it was all innocent and hopefully one day justice will be served.

[edina]

Every day, I consider things I have learned from him [Charles], as I am taking in what is happening in the world right now.

For example, in one Cockney Translater post he shared some experiences about something he called a Consortium, and mentioned Nancy Pelosi (https://cockneytranslater.com/home/index.php/cockney-translater/episode-38).

I consider this as I am looking at the various Foundations set up by people like the Clintons, McCain, Maxine Waters, and Nancy Pelosi and their foundations aren't even the tip of the iceberg.


For another example, I keep the mention of the ones who went to China, in a side pocket of my mind, as I am observing and researching what is happening in the world. . . . . .




I have no doubt in my mind that Charles was exactly who he said he was, or more precisely, he did exactly what he said he did.


I still have several questions I'd like to ask the guy, but I don't think he'd answer them.


The biggy that lingers, for me, is that he revealed that the "group" disbanded and returned to their various, oh I don't know, let's call them power bases. That was in around 2011.



What was that all about?


What were they working on together before they abandoned it and split? Was it a unified global power structure? Did they decide it could not be achieved at that time ? The Russian faction would not yield to it ?


Is this rebirth of regional power and nationalism the outcome of the collapse of that group ?


So many questions, and not out of place, at all, in this Q thread, I believe.

I can share with you my understanding, which may not be accurate, so take with a grain of salt.

You can also read him at Cockney Translater (https://cockneytranslater.com/home/index.php). I still glean plenty of insights.

He hasn't posted in months, so I don't really know how he is doing. Hope he is well.

I think there had already been a significant philosophical difference developing within the group.

Between the 7 and the others.

It seems something happened in the spring of 2012, that brought that to a head.

This seemed to have been a rare opportunity, however, that opportunity was lost during that time frame.

I personally feel it had something to do from when Kerry Cassidy released information that she wasn't supposed to have.

A lot of damage in trust was done, in my opinion.

The other questions you ask I don't know anything about.

I agree, norman, your question is not out of place.

It's possible that some of what had been hoped could be done then, may be happening now with the Q posts.

That said, I honestly don't if they are at all related.

I can see how they could be.

And as I said, I felt as if the Atticus experience prepared the ground for this Q experience, at least for me, anyways.

[ThePythonicCow]

It could have been very disastrous and a terrorist would have taken advantage being 2 steps away and there were 3 of them.
Those three were not that close. Their heads are half the size of Trump's head, so they are as far behing Trump as Trump is from the camera in front of him.

There were two rows of people in front of them, then an open area several feet lower than Trump acting as a kind of "moat" where security would have full and rapid access. Then Trump was elevated on a walkway, on the other side of that "moat".

Look at the video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc7Y0djlWNI) between about the 17:00 and 17:30 mark, as Trump is entering, to get a better sense of the distances, and to see the "moat" where security and camera people had free access, between the stage of people behind where Trump would speak, and Trump and his podium on a separate, raised, walkway.

I'd guess that the intended impact of those three would have been something visual, such as holding up a sign and making a ruckus and being removed in a more distracting and disruptive manner.

[Helene West]

Just watched the vids with the potential hit squad. Wow. I appreciate Paul giving us some measure of distances / layout above. That is a little more reassuring than thinking they were right behind Trump's back. Even if they weren't assassins per se they weren't there for any good reason.

One of the most telling signs for me was the reactions of the two 'friends' when plaid shirt was taken. Not much reaction at all. Totally abnormal. If I were there and my friend or bro was told to go with the agents you would see a visibly shaken person on the vid. I'd be like 'WTF?!! Let me go with him, why?, what is going on?', etc. Even if I wasn't allowed to go with him you would see me excitedly talking to those next to me after he left. These two knew they were outed and remained cool pieces of work until the agents came. No alarm when the agents came for them because they were expecting it.
Interesting how he stuck his rose socialist pin on his shirt right there for the cameras. Maybe Q is right, these people are stupid? Even if they are stupid, they are persistent.

Btw, just listened to an astrologer Jeff rense had on named Madeline Gerwick and her interpretation of the heaven's lineup is a Red Wave for the midterms.
And as rense was going on and on about how vulnerable trump is being made by the non-stop attacks against him she pointed out that a lot of people are praying for trump's protection and she believed it's working! Good to know...

[Bill Ryan]

Funny, look into smudging...
RunningDeer’s inner chatter:

Petty cleverness.…speaks volumes.
There’s a time and a place.
Timing's everything; KiwiElf gets it.

In case smudging doesn’t represent the intended heartfelt gesture, then substitute this.
Note: sometimes a teddybear is just a teddybear.


https://i.imgur.com/XZjFVJ0.jpg


***


Petty cleverness.…speaks volumes.

Yes it does. KiwiElf, you're close to your third strike. Wise up, and stop being a snarky child.

:focus:

[Satori]

It finally dawned on me what one of the main purposes of Qanon was … to organize us.


Knowing that they know everything, thanks to the NSA collecting everything about everyone, they determined that there were enough of us out here who are fed up with the corruption and evil of the deep state. "They" to whom I am referring to is/are the Q-team, which I presume to be a mixture of intel/military white hats who are also fed up with the corruption and evil. With their access to all that info - what websites we visit, our comments at those websites, etc. - they were able to determine "we" vs. "they." The Q-team tallied it up and realized they had a powerful, yet untapped, disorganized army of us -- us being the decent, ordinary, every-day folk who want an honest and fair government, an end to corruption and their satanic-child-killing ways, and to just pursue happiness, enjoy life and actually live with liberty.


Now, instead of us shouting into various echo chambers, we have been rallied around Q and now have a powerful, collective voice. Don't believe it? Check out all the Q-followers at Trump rallies, comment sections and especially Q-cited Tweets, where the Q army arrives by the hundreds and responds with a variety of comments, memes, jokes, facts, etc. that blow the bad guys out of the water. I never followed "Twitter" before or had any desire to do so. But now it puts a smile on my face to check out a Tweet referenced by Q then to scroll down below what is often some phony, sanctimonious tweet by a deep state swamp rat, and read reply after reply after reply from informed opposition that shred the mendacity to ribbons and share information that is likely to pique the interest of someone not yet in the loop to take the red pill and jump down the hole.

Epic post here. I totally get what youre saying and agree with you 100%.

I'll tell you another thing that this Q "cult" has done for me anyways.

This time last year, I did'nt know that the FBI is responsible for gathering evidence for criminal cases, but its the DOJ that actually has to prosecute. I did'nt know exactly how the FISA court operated, or how they decided who was worthy of being spied on. I did'nt know that Obama had a Saudi Prince pay for his college, I did'nt know that the same Saudi prince gave him a list of people and positions to fill when he was elected and almost every position on that list was filled by exactly who he wanted in there. I did not know about Huma, VJ the muslim brotherhood, exactly what went down with the Awan scandal. I did'nt know the details on Uranium one, or the Iran deal. I never knew that Suckerberg is actually david Rockefellers grandson. I had never heard of the Payseurs. I never knew about 4am drops. I knew there was government corruption, anyone paying even a little bit of attention can see that, but I never knew that it ran so deep or involved so many people.

In short, there are several critical aspects of our governmental infrastructure that I was unaware of what they did, or exactly how they operated. Things that they don't really cover too well in civics. (I'm thinking thats done on purpose, like Q has said several times now, The more you know....)

And I am sure that I'm not the only one. I had to teach myself quite a bit. Thank God for it though.

So regardless of the naysayers, this whole Great Awakening thing has educated me (Heck, all of us) and armed me with one of the most potent weapons you can have.

Knowledge truly is power.

I weigh in on this in respect to jake gittes' post.

JG has essentially described the purpose of, and reason for, the Second Amendment to the US Constitution. "A well regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." I did that from memory but I think it is an accurate quote.

It seems that in the infowar age we are living in, "arms" is not limited to weapons in the traditional sense, but also arms includes information--provided it is truthful and accurate. Just as the Second Amd calls for a "well regulated militia" as to the accouterments of more traditional weapons, e.g., guns, ammunition, training, organization, etc..., so too as to access to accurate information, and related accouterments, that can be used by we, the people in defense of the state and the Nation.

Defense requires the accouterments or weapons of traditional arms, and ever more so, accurate information.

Add: but again, as I have said before, it is not what we know that matters, it is what we do with what we know that matters.

[edina]

Funny, look into smudging...
RunningDeer’s inner chatter:

Petty cleverness.…speaks volumes.
There’s a time and a place.
Timing's everything; KiwiElf gets it.

In case smudging doesn’t represent the intended heartfelt gesture, then substitute this.
Note: sometimes a teddybear is just a teddybear.


https://i.imgur.com/XZjFVJ0.jpg


***


Petty cleverness.…speaks volumes.

Yes it does. KiwiElf, you're close to your third strike. Wise up, and stop being a snarky child.

:focus:

Well this is confusing, I thought Running Deer's post meant something completely different.

Something much kinder than your comment implies.

Are you trying to be humourous, Bill?

Or are you threatening KiwiElf?

And if it's the later, why?

(And again, that icky feeling of being forced to observe/read someone trying to humiliate/shame another person publicly. ugh...)

You're the forum administrator/owner. Please stop, already.

[Bill Ryan]

Are you trying to be humourous, Bill?



No, I'm not.

:focus:

[edina]

Are you trying to be humourous, Bill?



No, I'm not.

:focus:

Then you are threatening KiwiElf?

Publicly.

And in a way that forces people who have nothing to do with whatever issue you are threatening him over to have to feel that sort of energy!?!?

I was trying to give you the benefit of a doubt.

Your behavior is very unprofessional!

And disruptive to this thread.

Double standards.

Who moderates the administrator, if he will not moderate himself?

[RunningDeer]

Petty cleverness.…speaks volumes.

Yes it does. KiwiElf, you're close to your third strike. Wise up, and stop being a snarky child.

:focus:


Funny, look into smudging...
Bill clarification post:

My perception was that KiwiElf brought further levity to the change in energies over the last several pages. I thought his joke was a clever play on my post. It's been my experience that when people do heart talk, some nervously make jokes to relieve the awkwardness. (or fill in the blank)

It was Lovespot. He's got a clogged love-spot. (Or he didn't even bother to read my post or attempt to understand the intention.)

For future reference Lovespot, if you want people to learn your views on the history of smudging have at it. Don’t use me; moral superiority is unflattering.


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/images/space-bar-white.jpg

PS Thank you for your support, Bill. ♡

PSS Might be time to call in the cleaning crew to delete mine and other(s) off topic posts.

[norman]

Stop it everyone.


This thread was attacked. Backup came to gloat. It's ongoing, and there will be bannings, at this rate.


Mission accomplished.

[edina]

Stop it everyone.


This thread was attacked. Backup came to gloat. It's ongoing, and there will be bannings, at this rate.


Mission accomplished.

norman, what do you mean by this?

That the thread was attacked is obvious.

But why would there be any bannings?

Especially given that no one has done anything wrong?

(Well except maybe Bill, not following his own house rules. That's starting to concern me a great deal at the moment.)

[Sierra]

Mod hat on

The mod/admin team has decided to close the Q thread for 24 hours.

[Bill Ryan]

Mod hat on

The mod/admin team has decided to close the Q thread for 24 hours.

It'll be re-opened, as promised, 17 hours from now. (Less 6 minutes, if we set our alarms right. :) )

For a full explanation, please see this long post on the Moderator Actions thread.


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78116-RECORD-of-MODERATOR-ACTIONS&p=1246945&viewfull=1#post1246945

[mgray]

My thoughts (https://grayseconomy.com/2018/09/09/game-update-its-deep-state-4-q-2-but-its-only-the-third-inning/) on the divisiveness of Q, besides the Republican vs Democratic partisanship.

[Bill Ryan]

Mod hat on

The mod/admin team has decided to close the Q thread for 24 hours.

It'll be re-opened, as promised, 17 hours from now. (Less 6 minutes, if we set our alarms right. :) )

For a full explanation, please see this long post on the Moderator Actions thread.



http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78116-RECORD-of-MODERATOR-ACTIONS&p=1246945&viewfull=1#post1246945



The alarm worked just fine. :) The thread is now open again.

:focus:

[Bluegreen]

Did you know Susan Rice used to work at a company where John Brennan was her boss?

:Angel:

[Helene West]

Did you know Susan Rice used to work at a company where John Brennan was her boss?

:Angel:

Interesting. I believe it was Dr. Dave Janda who claimed that Bill Browder, the american 'businessman' who Putin claimed swindled Russia out of mucho taxes - that John Brennan was his handler!

[AutumnW]

Q is not credible.

===

[ Mod-edit: I copied this post, and moved a couple of replies, over to the QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104156-QAnon-An-Opposing-Viewpoint-LARP-Psyop-Cult-or-Something-Even-More-Sinister&p=1247179&viewfull=1#post1247179) thread. -- Paul. ]

[ThePythonicCow]

My thoughts (https://grayseconomy.com/2018/09/09/game-update-its-deep-state-4-q-2-but-its-only-the-third-inning/) on the divisiveness of Q, besides the Republican vs Democratic partisanship.

mgray originally posted the above over on the QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104156-QAnon-An-Opposing-Viewpoint-LARP-Psyop-Cult-or-Something-Even-More-Sinister&p=1247021&viewfull=1#post1247021) thread, while this Q thread was closed for the day.

I just now copied mgray's post to this thread as well, since some of us on the pro-Q side of this controversy might find it a good read too.

Thanks for a fine article, mgray.

[mgray]

Going to try posting the new Qs. Not sure how it will go.

It did not go well. I apologize.

[Helene West]

Going to try posting the new Qs. Not sure how it will go.

It did not go well. I apologize.

Thanks for trying Mgray

[ThePythonicCow]

Going to try posting the new Qs. Not sure how it will go.

It did not go well. I apologize.

I'll give it a try now :).

[ThePythonicCow]

.

Sept 8, 2018
From https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#203


▶Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/08/18 (Sat) 13:33:44 No.203

There was a time when our children stood at attention, put their hand on their heart, and in one UNITED voice, recited the PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
There was a time when STRENGTH and HONOR meant something.
There was a time when standing for our FLAG meant something.
There was a time when our history (heritage) was taught with PRIDE and RESPECT.
There was a time when respect was given to those who serve(d), bled, and died to protect and defend our GOD GIVEN FREEDOM.
There was a time when we were GRATEFUL.
There was a time when these UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, was UNITED.
There was a time when these UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, was UNITED UNDER ONE FLAG.
There was a time when, WE, THE PEOPLE, decided our future.
There was a time when, WE, THE PEOPLE, had a voice.
There was a time when, WE, THE PEOPLE, were UNITED and STRONG.
“I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
It is time, WE, THE PEOPLE, reclaim what is rightfully ours.
MAY GOD BLESS AMERICA AND ALL THOSE WHO DEFEND AND PROTECT HER AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC.
WE STAND TOGETHER AS PATRIOTS.
WHERE WE GO ONE, WE GO ALL.
HOME OF THE BRAVE.
Q+
From https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#204


Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/08/18 (Sat) 13:46:35 No.204

File (hide): 60238b055922636⋯.jpg (136.04 KB, 1200x898, 600:449, FREEDOM.jpg) (h) (u)
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Sept 9, 2018
From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2950335.html#2950820


Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/09/18 (Sun) 17:55:52 fd0a4a (4) No.2950820

>>2950600 (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2950335.html#2950600)
Last and final comment(s) re: AJ & Associates [attempts]
Logical thinking.
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1038778638613839872
[0:21]
Breitbart article linked [2 days prior] to the article being published?
Reconcile.
Note the time?
[9:41]
[100%]
Note Apple’s stock image(s)?
[9:41]
[100%]
Reconcile.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMfCvmykRxg&app=desktop
Reconcile.
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1038858004899266564
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/974008177271410688.html
Reconcile.
Attempts to deceive AUTISTS/ANONS will FAIL.
We are a threat to their livelihood [+CLAS].
Do not let their attempts corrupt GOOD organizations.
Think OANN.
They want you DIVIDED.
Stay STRONG.
Stay TOGETHER.
https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1038898688725270533
“Division keeps them in power.”
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2950335.html#2950846


https://media.8ch.net/file_store/cb0cb69fd2e52a565500ba498ba92b293f31ffec2908370783fe2d350a6ea17b.jpg
>>2950820 (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2950335.html#2950820)

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2950335.html#2950879


>>2950871 (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2950335.html#2950871)

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2950335.html#2950995


Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/09/18 (Sun) 18:07:54 fd0a4a (4) No.2950995

>>2950906 (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2950335.html#2950906)
How do you know when something VERY BIG is about to drop?
ATTACKS INCREASE FROM ALL DIRECTIONS.
READY THE MEMES.
[FISA CORRUPTION]
You have more than you know.
KEEP UP THE GOOD FIGHT.
WE STAND TOGETHER.
Q

[Helene West]

You did it! Thanks Paul.
It's almost beddy-bye time where I am but I took a quick glance at some of the Q links and one was to 6 Questions that tucker carlson is posing for an upcoming show on 'is diversity really our strength?'.
I've wondered why globalists allow some truth to be aired on Fox and I think it's to keep the divide alive.
If absolutely everything sounded like cnn perhaps even the densest of americans would get suspicious.

[mountain_jim]

https://www.neonrevolt.com/2018/09/10/breaking-microchip-and-the-deep-state-newq-qanon-greatawakening-neonrevolt/

In many of his recent articles, Neon Revolt has been stating (and providing evidence for) :

JTFMaga was created by #FakeMAGA “Journalist” Jack Posobiec – the same one who has been pushing the “Microchip is #QAnon” hoax for some time now:

(sorry I don't have time to include all the screen-shot content here)

He is also casting shade on the video and group behind the other thread Bill started about the:

The weaponization of the US intelligence community: 120 agency insiders now speak out


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104116-The-weaponization-of-the-US-intelligence-community-120-agency-insiders-now-speak-out

I don't see anything definitive in the time I have now to consider, and
I admit at this point to not having clear bearings as to what is going on with all this - taking a wait-and-see approach.



JTFMaga was created by #FakeMAGA “Journalist” Jack Posobiec – the same one who has been pushing the “Microchip is #QAnon” hoax for some time now:
..
And in case it isn’t obvious from the page itself, JTFMAGA is one gigantic honeypot.

They goal is to get “Patriotic Americans” to sign up and “take the oath” presented below – and now… you’re on a Deep State list.
..
And not only is Posobiec involved…
...
But so is our old Mossad friend #NoNeck!

The second site is much the same, but with more of an “Intelligence community” spin to it. Call it “social proof” for smartie-pants if you want. It purports to be a run by a bunch of folks close to the Intelligence community, ones that claim to support Trump and want to give him Intelligence that…. he supposedly doesn’t already have – even sporting a super-special-mega-delux Login page for #POTUS himself (LOL).

Of course, this is all utter Clown nonsense, and they’ve been attempting to get us – especially the “QAnon influencers” among us (such as yours truly, mods at /r/GreatAwakening, and elsewhere) to jump on board, join their site, and hand over all our private info while leading followers into the very same trap.
..

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been sent this video this past week, advertising this group:

https://www.neonrevolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Brave_2018-09-09_17-33-51-2.png

I can’t tell you why…

But when I was watching this video it just… didn’t feel right.

Something about it just didn’t sit well with me.

Which is the reason why you’re just seeing this from me now.

The last attempt to get me to connect with this was made a few hours before Q posted, and I censored the name above because… frankly, I can’t tell who was genuinely fooled by this video and trying to help me, and who was trying to fool me.

So I’ll consider that my first real warning – ostensibly being targeted by the CIA for some kind of psyop. Thank you for your prayers, those of you who pray for me. I think they helped here.

Before we move on, though, it’s important to know that the drama extended a bit further, and involved Bill “The Eternal Boomer” Mitchell – because that’s his group that made the video – YourVoice America.

TheLastRefuge, on twitter, accused him of running a scam after doing some independent investigation of his own:


< then more about Q and Microchip being disproved, for those deeply invested in that area of Q proof/disproof. >

[Valerie Villars]

Well, Mountain Jim, when I watched the video it seemed like Ann Vandersteel wasn't actually filmed in a room with those guys. When she looks at them, the angle of her eyes just seemed weird, like she was pasted in.

As for being on a Deep S*&t State List, I am pretty sure I've been on it for quite some time. With me, the cat's been out of the bag for quite a while, though I didn't know it for years.

I pretty much came to the conclusion that if they can go after a little no name girl like me, then nothing is beyond them.

For now, I like neonrevolt.

However, I'm beginning to think that everything is a psyop and there is not a lot we can do about it but be aware of it.

[mountain_jim]

Well, Mountain Jim, when I watched the video it seemed like Ann Vandersteel wasn't actually filmed in a room with those guys. When she looks at them, the angle of her eyes just seemed weird, like she was pasted in.

As for being on a Deep S*&t State List, I am pretty sure I've been on it for quite some time. With me, the cat's been out of the bag for quite a while, though I didn't know it for years.

I pretty much came to the conclusion that if they can go after a little no name girl like me, then nothing is beyond them.

For now, I like neonrevolt.

However, I'm beginning to think that everything is a psyop and there is not a lot we can do about it but be aware of it.

Also in this link discussion of Q's support of Hannity, and responses to other anon's issues with Hannity, and I agree with those issues about much of what Hannity has said and done in the past.



Shills sowing division with deception along the boards. For those who don’t know, there are teams of people being paid to do this kind of thing – namely David Brock’s Shareblue group. They literally pay them to lie and disrupt all day.


In my view, calling those that point out Hannity's shady past Shills does not add credence to the Q movement, just as I have never been ok with Bolton having a role in this admin being seen as a good thing at all.

And all the Patriot/MAGA cheerleading and the Bible-thumping gives me pause as well.

Yet still I think something real is happening here, and when the 50,000 sealed indictments are unsealed things will get real intense real fast, I suspect.

[pyrangello]

To all very interesting slant to this entire situation, 2 stories below back to back make a case for what's happening with many references to Q and the really big upcoming event, confirmation of another supreme court judge that will steer the US for another 30 years at least. That's going to happen around Sept 20th or so. Combine that with the upcoming elections and all these indictments. Pretty heavy pot of soup boiling to the surface, time for prayers and lots of them . I remember that video that michelle marie posted showing the 2 generals eyeing Sen. Lyndsey Graham , that seems to coincide with these 2 articles below and perhaps why there was no open casket for Mc Cain, Interesting theories, ground shaking times ahead with the main road intersection ahead so it seems.

Greg Hunter: Deep State Panicked About Coming Military Tribunals – Dave Janda Video

https://beforeitsnews.com/v3/opinion-conservative/2018/3400323.html

McCain Tried and Executed Under Military Law / NDAA? Sure Looks Like It ! --Videos

https://beforeitsnews.com/v3/conspiracy-theories/2018/2496211.html

[mgray]

Is President Trump using the Executive Order for declassifying the FISA report from the DOJ's Inspector General as a life insurance policy? My take (https://grayseconomy.com/2018/09/10/the-fisa-executive-order-may-be-president-trumps-insurance-policy/) on this position

[Helene West]

Is President Trump using the Executive Order for declassifying the FISA report from the DOJ's Inspector General as a life insurance policy? My take (https://grayseconomy.com/2018/09/10/the-fisa-executive-order-may-be-president-trumps-insurance-policy/) on this position

I like your short and sweet articles. But I have to disagree with this one. If trump doesn't know him and his family are in constant danger I don't know what it will take... He shouldn't wait much longer to release.
Too many numbnuts are ready to try and elevate barry soetoro to Messiah status once again now that he is on the campaign trail. Since he and his administration were at the heart of all this spying and obstruction he needs to be stopped and removed from campaigning and be held accountable.

[mgray]

Is President Trump using the Executive Order for declassifying the FISA report from the DOJ's Inspector General as a life insurance policy? My take (https://grayseconomy.com/2018/09/10/the-fisa-executive-order-may-be-president-trumps-insurance-policy/) on this position

I like your short and sweet articles. But I have to disagree with this one. If trump doesn't know him and his family are in constant danger I don't know what it will take... He shouldn't wait much longer to release.
Too many numbnuts are ready to try and elevate barry soetoro to Messiah status once again now that he is on the campaign trail. Since he and his administration were at the heart of all this spying and obstruction he needs to be stopped and removed from campaigning and be held accountable.

I agree and have written about it. I am trying to rationalize the delay. It's not too early to have the desired effects on the midterm elections. My only other thought -- which I already wrote about as well -- is he is waiting longer for these people to be prosecuted under his new rules for treating "enemy combatants," which goes into full effect on 1/1/19.

The key for me writing this post today was the term Sleeper Cells being used and the look on the face of that kid -- the 1st one to be removed -- from the Montana rally.

[ThePythonicCow]

.

Sept 10, 2018
From https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#205


Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/10/18 (Mon) 11:39:26 No.205
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From https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#206


Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/10/18 (Mon) 12:14:25 No.206
File (hide): ee7e6648ef05a42⋯.jpg (26.5 KB, 424x256, 53:32, DXniXpXVoAAGYQo.jpg) (h) (u)
https://media.8ch.net/file_store/thumb/ee7e6648ef05a4281c0e5cdea756e309e1e486529621069d1b7589e8ad204668.jpg
Why are 'powerful' [influential] people resigning due to 'past sexual misconduct' allegations?
Why are these 'allegations' now surfacing [10-month span]?
WHY NOW?
Human trafficking arrests up?
SA cooperating?
NXIVM?
When does a BIRD sing?
EYES WIDE OPEN.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-working-end-human-trafficking/
Coincidence?
Network being dismantled?
SHEEP NO MORE.
Q

From https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#207


DECLAS OF FISA WILL INITIATE THE RESIGNATION/RECUSAL AND/OR REMOVAL OF ROD ROSENSTEIN.

DECLAS OF FISA WILL INITIATE THE 'AWARENESS' THAT ALL SIGNERS WILL BE [CURRENTLY] UNDER INVESTIGATION.

DECLAS OF FISA WILL FACTUALLY DEMONSTRATE WITHOUT ARGUMENT THE US GOVERNMENT, UNDER HUSSEIN, KNOWINGLY, PRESENTED FALSE EVIDENCE TO FISC IN AN EFFORT TO OBTAIN 'LEGAL' US INTELLIGENCE 'UMBRELLA' SURV OF POTUS [IDEN TARGET] FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF INFLUENCING THE 2016 ELECTION OF THE PRESIDENCY [NOT RUSSIA BUT HUSSEIN/HRC - PROJECTION] + SAFEGUARD AGAINST POSSIBLE LOSS OF POWER [FIREWALLS].

USE OF BACKCHANNEL SURV / SPY INSERTION [BODY 1, 2, AND 5] BY UK/AUS [PRIMARY] ACTIVATED UNDER DIR BRENNAN DIR CLAPPER W/ PDB REGULAR UPDATES + [LIVE STREAMING] WH HUSSEIN NON-OVAL [SITUATION ROOM] COORDINATION.

FISA [FULL] BRINGS DOWN THE HOUSE [WH].

Q

[ThePythonicCow]

.
Google is Q-less.

I just did a search on google.com for "qanon".

It claimed to return over 3 million results.

I went scanning those results, page by page.

The only mentions of 8ch (8 chan, where Q posts these days) were one each
on pages 7, 11 and 14 of the results, and those went to sites debunking Q,
as did, by superficial appearances, all other hits returned by Google.

After page 18 (180 returned hits), Google explained:

In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 180 already displayed.

None of the returned 180 hits (not 3+ million) went to 8chan, and none that I noticed had a good word to say about Q.

I conclude that Google is Q-less (pun on "clueless.")

[Helene West]

Thanks for the drops, Paul.

If Trump doesn't declassify Fisa docs, if he punks out, I don't think I'll even be interested in Q or him.
The dems have gotten away with so much and their psycho campaign is just getting geared up and I see only a declassified Fisa as shutting them up.

[DNA]

.
Google is Q-less.

I just did a search on google.com for "qanon".

It claimed to return over 3 million results.

I went scanning those results, page by page.

The only mentions of 8ch (8 chan, where Q posts these days) were one each
on pages 7, 11 and 14 of the results, and those went to sites debunking Q,
as did, by superficial appearances, all other hits returned by Google.

After page 18 (180 returned hits), Google explained:

In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 180 already displayed.

None of the returned 180 hits (not 3+ million) went to 8chan, and none that I noticed had a good word to say about Q.

I conclude that Google is Q-less (pun on "clueless.")


Well that is encouraging. Google of course being ran by the CIA, the mother deep state organization, so if the CIA wants to hide and debunk Q it gives the movement more of a chance at being real.

Just as a side note for those who have doubts that Google is ran by the CIA I have a personal story that really sealed the deal for myself.

I have an old work friend who is very straight laced and not into conspiracies at all. A very educated guy who believes the narrative his education has taught him.

One day during a conversation I mentioned to him that Google was ran by the CIA and he was wide eyed with surprise at my statement.

He then related to me a story about his nephew who upon graduation from M.I.T. went to work for the CIA. This nephew became disenfranchised and left for a new start up company called Google. My work buddy proudly told me how he had one of the very first beta test G-mail accounts. My work buddy then went on to tell me how his nephew started to notice a lot of his old colleagues from the CIA working at Google. He began questioning one of these folks and he was told not to talk about it. A pretty cool first hand account from a tin foil hat guy who pesters his co-workers with conspiracy theories. :)

[ThePythonicCow]

Google is Q-less.
Go, go, Yandex.com (http://yandex.com). !

Half of the first page of my search hits on Yandex for "qanon" were Q friendly and helpful sites that I am familiar with.

Yandex is increasingly becoming my preferred search engine.

[Ascension]

.
Google is Q-less.

This is not necessarily a validation. Google does not seem to direct to 4 chan or 8 chan on any topic.

[ThePythonicCow]

This is not necessarily a validation. Google does not seem to direct to 4 chan or 8 chan on any topic.
That may be true, but at least Google could have linked to some, even one, of the major Q research sites, like Yandex does.

[ThePythonicCow]

.

More for Sept 10, 2018
From https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#208

!!mG7VJxZNCI 09/10/18 (Mon) 14:35:16 No.208

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/1039216694000906241
Q

From https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#209

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/10/18 (Mon) 14:39:25 No.209

>>208 (https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#208)
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1039235839333679105
[0:00]
Q

From https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#210

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/10/18 (Mon) 15:02:33 No.210

https://saraacarter.com/new-texts-reveal-fbi-leaked-information-to-the-press-to-damage-trump/
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2962463.html#2962785

!!mG7VJxZNCI 09/10/18 (Mon) 15:27:08 28a606 (2) No.2962785

>>2962342 (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2961700.html#2962342)

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2962463.html#2962827

Anonymous 09/10/18 (Mon) 15:29:13 0bd9b8 (11) No.2962827

Buckle up, buttercups - it's about to get bumpy!
o7

From https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#211

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/10/18 (Mon) 15:49:32 No.211

Think DOJ/FBI classified leaks to FAKE NEWS > insert into FISA app in effort to provide 'new sources'.
No. 198
09/07/18
[Today]
"Review of the new documents raises grave concerns regarding an apparent systemic culture of media leaking by high-ranking officials at the FBI and DOJ related to ongoing investigations."
https://saraacarter.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/9.10.18-Letter-from-MRM-to-DAG-Rosenstein.pdf
Q

From https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#212

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/10/18 (Mon) 16:02:30 No.212

File (hide): 421bf6111c90c68⋯.png (165.79 KB, 640x458, 320:229, 1Y08WAoKFwUQppFU9P6rmxcRtH….png) (h) (u)
https://media.8ch.net/file_store/thumb/421bf6111c90c68d4f7c1985fa1f0915ca5f08fde5c54388dea52916da73cde8.png
[Sample]
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/10/maxine-waters-goes-on-trump-impeachment-tear-vows-to-get-him.html
https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/author-believes-multiple-grounds-for-impeaching-trump-1316688451927?v=raila&
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/09/jerry-nadler-trump-democrats-impeachment/569626/
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/shhhh-dem-leaders-don-t-want-say-impeach-bill-clinton-n907906
http://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/405891-impeachment-will-be-at-the-top-of-democrats-agenda-if-they-take-the-house
http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/politics/2018/september/as-congresswoman-chants-impeachment-8-times-others-point-to-coup-in-trump-admin
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-impeachment-robert-mueller-russia-investigation-bob-woodward-richard-nixon-john-ehrlichman-a8528241.html
https://heavy.com/news/2018/09/trump-impeachment-odds-september-7/
http://time.com/5389848/donald-trump-impeachment-rally/
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/opinion-trump-unfit-for-office_us_5b916e0ee4b0511db3e05239
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-06/market-won-t-crash-if-trump-faces-impeachment-barclays-says
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/09/04/trump-attack-sessions-justice-impeachment-fodder-collins-hunter-column/1189784002/
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2963211.html#2963466

Anonymous 09/10/18 (Mon) 16:07:46 c9a0aa (6) No.2963466
File (hide): f9e0e371f7b5d21⋯.png (242.04 KB, 738x616, 369:308, 1324d57aa4965bff51499c0961….png) (h) (u)
https://media.8ch.net/file_store/thumb/f9e0e371f7b5d21e02d2f8c09f370e500843d7238083a6bacd0c5cec101184b6.png
>>2963399 (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2963211.html#2963399)

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2963211.html#2963562

Anonymous 09/10/18 (Mon) 16:13:58 3f737c (5) No.2963562

>>2963528 (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2963211.html#2963528)
BATTLESTATIONS READY!
WWG1WGA!

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2963984.html#2964129


Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/10/18 (Mon) 16:46:53 483f8c (6) No.2964129
>>2964015 (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2963211.html#2964015)
Graphics showing [2] time zones.
Update requested.
[0:00]
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2963984.html#2964247

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/10/18 (Mon) 16:53:13 483f8c (6) No.2964247

>>2964144 (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2963984.html#2964144)
ANONS CATCH IT ALL!
[2] devices used.
[1] Carrier.
Pushed [exactly] at same time.
[0:10 sec variance]
Device lag or feeder site delay.
Request fulfilled.
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2963984.html#2964343

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/10/18 (Mon) 16:57:41 483f8c (6) No.2964343

>>2964303 (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2963984.html#2964303)
Make it and they will crumb.
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2963984.html#2964443

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/10/18 (Mon) 17:03:14 483f8c (6) No.2964443

>>2964345 (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2963984.html#2964345)
We, thank you.
>>2964367 (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2963984.html#2964367)
Shills only shill.
Patriots WIN.
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2963984.html#2964511

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/10/18 (Mon) 17:05:57 483f8c (6) No.2964511

>>2964423 (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2963984.html#2964423)

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2963984.html#2964697

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/10/18 (Mon) 17:15:08 483f8c (6) No.2964697

>>2964559 (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2963984.html#2964559)
HOOAH!
>>2964624 (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2963984.html#2964624)
Oscar worthy?
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2965529.html#2965614

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/10/18 (Mon) 18:09:57 8b50ae (4) No.2965614

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1039172411973885952
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1038465404572758017
Nothing to See Here.
Q
From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2965529.html#2965895

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/10/18 (Mon) 18:23:00 8b50ae (4) No.2965895

https://twitter.com/Thorlock1248/status/1039291230667137025
PREPARE YOUR MEMES.
(NON_NSA TECH TODAY CANNOT READ/FILTER)
Q
From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2965529.html#2965953

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/10/18 (Mon) 18:25:15 8b50ae (4) No.2965953

>>2965895 (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2965529.html#2965895)
ATTENTION ON DECK.
BATTLE STATIONS.
MEMES AT THE READY.
WWG1WGA!
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2965529.html#2966091

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/10/18 (Mon) 18:30:42 8b50ae (4) No.2966091

File (hide): 3f649767c337a80⋯.jpg (11.52 KB, 275x183, 275:183, 9-11.jpg) (h) (u)
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>>2965953 (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2965529.html#2965953)
WE WILL NEVER FORGET!
WE WILL NEVER FORGIVE!
Q
From https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#213

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/10/18 (Mon) 22:31:21 No.213

File (hide): 4b3c892a92b9b93⋯.jpg (44.83 KB, 750x356, 375:178, DcrirU_VAAA2U7p.jpg) (h) (u)
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[ThePythonicCow]

Google is Q-less.

I just did a search on google.com for "qanon".

It claimed to return over 3 million results.

I went scanning those results, page by page.

The only mentions of 8ch (8 chan, where Q posts these days) were one each
on pages 7, 11 and 14 of the results, and those went to sites debunking Q,
as did, by superficial appearances, all other hits returned by Google.



Google is Q-less.
Go, go, Yandex.com (http://yandex.com). !

Half of the first page of my search hits on Yandex for "qanon" were Q friendly and helpful sites that I am familiar with.


This is not necessarily a validation. Google does not seem to direct to 4 chan or 8 chan on any topic.

Well, it turns out to be even worse than I posted above.

Google -does- sometimes return 8 chan (8ch.net) in its hits.

I did a different search, on both Yandex and Google, for the two words (no quoting or anything fancy):


8ch qanon
The second hit that was returned on the Yandex search was for one of the Q research boards on 8 chan: 8ch.net/greatawakening. Good!

There were still no hits to any Q friendly site that I noticed in the Google hits (though I didn't look that deeply this time. However there -was- a hit on 8 chan, down on the third page of results, to a trash talking page on 8 chan called https://8ch.net/qanon (not a page I'd recommend), whose motto seems to be "F**k This Board's **** Up" (with the asterisks replaced by the expected letters.)

So I conclude that Google won't ordinarily give you an 8 chan page, but if you hint strongly enough that you want something involving "8ch" and "qanon", it will give you an 8 chan page, three pages in, that seems to be useless trash talk. Any Q positive results will be suppressed.

[Helene West]

geez, what Paul is finding is so bad. It can't be just this topic, the topics they are omitting or skewing must be legion.
Google is the automatic search for maybe over a billion people who just won't know how they are having their consciousness limited.

[DNA]

.
Google is Q-less.

This is not necessarily a validation. Google does not seem to direct to 4 chan or 8 chan on any topic.


Fair enough, but there are message boards all across the net talking about Q the way we are. As such there should be thousands of posts talking about Q in the positive.

[mgray]

I don't want to say something is coming but Q is rallying the troops. Since this is the 17th Anniversary of 9/11 tomorrow and somewhere I saw that if you add up the total number of days that have passed it comes to 17 as well an example would be 6,552 days. I do not know what the actual number of days it is. And of course Q if 17th letter.

Could 9/11 be used as the backdrop for a big drop? Time will tell.

[ThePythonicCow]

I don't want to say something is coming but Q is rallying the troops. Since this is the 17th Anniversary of 9/11 tomorrow ... And of course Q if 17th letter.

Could 9/11 be used as the backdrop for a big drop? Time will tell.

I just added the following two Q drops to my list above, but I'll copy them here too, since they are quite relevant to your inquiry:

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From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2965529.html#2965953

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/10/18 (Mon) 18:25:15 8b50ae (4) No.2965953

>>2965895 (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2965529.html#2965895)
ATTENTION ON DECK.
BATTLE STATIONS.
MEMES AT THE READY.
WWG1WGA!
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2965529.html#2966091

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/10/18 (Mon) 18:30:42 8b50ae (4) No.2966091

File (hide): 3f649767c337a80⋯.jpg (11.52 KB, 275x183, 275:183, 9-11.jpg) (h) (u)
https://media.8ch.net/file_store/thumb/3f649767c337a80c849d4211613c24afd0245e8cc4844fdf60a8c503fa01de07.jpg

>>2965953 (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2965529.html#2965953)
WE WILL NEVER FORGET!
WE WILL NEVER FORGIVE!
Q

===


and somewhere I saw that if you add up the total number of days that have passed it comes to 17 as well an example would be 6,552 days. I do not know what the actual number of days it is.
There 6209 days between 9/11/2001 and 9/11/2018.

6 + 2 + 0 + 9 ==> 17 ==> 'Q'

[ThePythonicCow]

geez, what Paul is finding is so bad. It can't be just this topic, the topics they are omitting or skewing must be legion.
Google is the automatic search for maybe over a billion people who just won't know how they are having their consciousness limited.

Exactly !

[mgray]

My thoughts (https://grayseconomy.com/2018/09/11/9-11-17-years-ago-or-6209-days-revelations-to-drop/) on 9/11 and the strange 17 connection.

[Helene West]

Bill or Paul

Is tonight when Kiwi's ban is lifted? If he chooses to come back, that is. (she says hopefully)
I notice that Turiya's been laying low, hope he returns as well.

According to several astrologers I've had a passing nod with we're emerging from some negative retrograde thingy from the month of August/early September, some contentous turbulence. I noted on the astrology thread which Onawah recently updated that some feel it affected this forum particularly the Q thread.
Not sure if I believe all this but the astrologer I heard on Rense says we are now leaving that retrograde and entering a phase that is good for letting go of ruts and making breakthroughs. Hopefully that positive potential likewise affects our threads!






From Bill: Yes, KiwiElf's suspension ends in 12 hours.

[Olam]

Bill or Paul

Is tonight when Kiwi's ban is lifted? If he chooses to come back, that is. (she says hopefully)
I notice that Turiya's been laying low, hope he returns as well.

According to several astrologers I've had a passing nod with we're emerging from some negative retrograde thingy from the month of August/early September, some contentous turbulence. I noted on the astrology thread which Onawah recently updated that some feel it affected this forum particularly the Q thread.
Not sure if I believe all this but the astrologer I heard on Rense says we are now leaving that retrograde and entering a phase that is good for letting go of ruts and making breakthroughs. Hopefully that positive potential likewise affects our threads!


Yes!
There were many planets retrograde in the last 6 months which was itself a smaller cycle within bigger cycles.
It is now GO time as most planets are direct and its a start of big and smaller cycles.
Just as a surfer will seek big new promising waves, it is time to jump on them as they are forming now and will bring you far forward.
This also means that most of us will be confronted with situations that pull us out of our comfort zone....
Have faith that this is very promising and practice the art of being vulnerable all while trusting that its the right thing to do to grow and evolve.
Face the destabilizing changes with trust in your heart that you the spirit in a skin suit is on the right path!

:focus:

[Noelle]

Bill or Paul

Is tonight when Kiwi's ban is lifted? If he chooses to come back, that is. (she says hopefully)
I notice that Turiya's been laying low, hope he returns as well.

According to several astrologers I've had a passing nod with we're emerging from some negative retrograde thingy from the month of August/early September, some contentous turbulence. I noted on the astrology thread which Onawah recently updated that some feel it affected this forum particularly the Q thread.
Not sure if I believe all this but the astrologer I heard on Rense says we are now leaving that retrograde and entering a phase that is good for letting go of ruts and making breakthroughs. Hopefully that positive potential likewise affects our threads!






From Bill: Yes, KiwiElf's suspension ends in 12 hours.


I'm looking forward to Kiwi and Turiya returning to the thread. It's not the same without them, though, Paul, you've been doing an awesome job keeping us in the Q drop loop. ;)

I've not had a chance to research the implications of Trump's 2018 Patriot's Day proclamation. But here it is, followed by a drop by Q that references PATRIOTS DAY.

Trump's Patriot Day Proclamation (https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/presidential-proclamation-patriot-day-2018/)

Dan Scavino Jr.'s tweet on the proclamation, which Tump retweeted at 7.12 am today, is here (https://twitter.com/Scavino45/status/1039469874609893376).

[Foxie Loxie]

I liked what I heard on the interview Houman posted recently....Christopher Bollyn.

Our "reality" has been hijacked; first with the JFK assassination....then with the 9/11 "cover story". I find it comforting to think there ARE some Americans out there who love our country enough to use any means necessary to restore Rule of Law....even it it means using a "psyop" like Q to wake some of us up!

mgray....Sorry to hear of your losses 17 years ago. Exactly WHY were these 3,000 people sacrificed? I think we would all like to know. :heart::heart: :heart:

[Helene West]

Having immersed myself in the Q critique threads for two days I've come away realizing that my ANTI-_____ list is long, spanning decades. There's so much to be against.

Aside from the intrigue of Q and despite my misgivings and consideration of the anti-opinions/arguments, what I realized I like is that Q is FOR something.
The energy of being For something instead of against something is plain.

One doesn't have to become a 'true believer' or naive nellie to just enjoy the vibe of hope, camaraderie, research and discovery.

[Noelle]

Having immersed myself in the Q critique threads for two days I've come away realizing that my ANTI-_____ list is long, spanning decades. There's so much to be against.

Aside from the intrigue of Q and despite my misgivings and consideration of the anti-opinions/arguments, what I realized I like is that Q is FOR something.
The energy of being For something instead of against something is plain.

One doesn't have to become a 'true believer' or naive nellie to just enjoy the vibe of hope, camaraderie, research and discovery.

You're right, Helene. Q is for something, many things, but with "freedom" at the top. People are rallying, which is helping to wake others up, to question more. I see that on Twitter.

More on Jack Posobiec, who seems closely connected to the Q is a LARP narrative:

This may have been covered in a video somewhere north of my post (I don't have time to watch them all from start to finish). On Aug. 15, 2017, Trump retweeted a Posobiec tweet. The MSM was all over it -- to link Trump to a crazy conspiracy theorist. Here is a Chicago Tribune article on that.

Trump retweets alt-right conspiracy theorist on Chicago homicides in wake of Charlottesville criticism (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-retweets-alt-right-media-figure-20170814-story.html)

On Aug. 17, 2017, Military Times (https://www.militarytimes.com/2017/08/17/navy-strips-security-clearance-from-officer-who-tweeted-about-charlottesville/) reports the security clearance of "Lt. j.g. Jack Posobiec, a Navy Reserve intelligence officer" was suspended. The article includes this confirmation: Cmdr. Doug Gabos, a spokesman for Navy Reserve Forces, told Task and Purpose, “I can confirm that his clearance has been suspended.”

My guess is Trump's retweet of Posobiec's tweet was a signal to suspend the clearance.

[Chanie]

Having immersed myself in the Q critique threads for two days I've come away realizing that my ANTI-_____ list is long, spanning decades. There's so much to be against.

Aside from the intrigue of Q and despite my misgivings and consideration of the anti-opinions/arguments, what I realized I like is that Q is FOR something.
The energy of being For something instead of against something is plain.

One doesn't have to become a 'true believer' or naive nellie to just enjoy the vibe of hope, camaraderie, research and discovery.

You're right, Helene. Q is for something, many things, but with "freedom" at the top. People are rallying, which is helping to wake others up, to question more. I see that on Twitter.

More on Jack Posobiec, who seems closely connected to the Q is a LARP narrative:

This may have been covered in a video somewhere north of my post (I don't have time to watch them all from start to finish). On Aug. 15, Trump retweeted a Posobiec tweet. The MSM was all over it -- to link Trump to a crazy conspiracy theorist. Here is a Chicago Tribune article on that.

Trump retweets alt-right conspiracy theorist on Chicago homicides in wake of Charlottesville criticism (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-retweets-alt-right-media-figure-20170814-story.html)

On Aug. 17, Military Times (https://www.militarytimes.com/2017/08/17/navy-strips-security-clearance-from-officer-who-tweeted-about-charlottesville/) reports the security clearance of "Lt. j.g. Jack Posobiec, a Navy Reserve intelligence officer" was suspended. The article includes this confirmation: Cmdr. Doug Gabos, a spokesman for Navy Reserve Forces, told Task and Purpose, “I can confirm that his clearance has been suspended.”

My guess is Trump's retweet of Posobiec's tweet was a signal to suspend the clearance.

I wasn’t sure whether to post this or where to post it, but since you mentioned Posobiec...

Last night, I read this article on Posobiec and a guy called Microchip.
See: https://steemit.com/trending/@motherlibertynow/fake-trolls-attempt-to-debunk-q

Neon Revolt also writes about the Microchip guy.
See: https://www.neonrevolt.com/2018/09/10/breaking-microchip-and-the-deep-state-newq-qanon-greatawakening-neonrevolt/

I think the gist of what they’re saying is that these guys are spreading disinformation.

[Noelle]

I wasn’t sure whether to post this or where to post it, but since you mentioned Posobiec...

Last night, I read this article on Posobiec and a guy called Microchip.
See: https://steemit.com/trending/@motherlibertynow/fake-trolls-attempt-to-debunk-q

Neon Revolt also writes about the Microchip guy.
See: https://www.neonrevolt.com/2018/09/10/breaking-microchip-and-the-deep-state-newq-qanon-greatawakening-neonrevolt/

I think the gist of what they’re saying is that these guys are spreading disinformation.

Thanks, Chanie. This thread is a great place for those links. :)

I remember the day (not the exact date) that Posobiec announced on Twitter that Q is a LARP. His Q followers went after him, calling him out for what he most likely is: a Deep State intel guy disguised as a Trump supporter and conspiracy theorist.

[James Newell]

When you read Q just remember to take a half teaspoon of salt to take it down. I guess its possible a high level intell agent(s) is putting out classified data to the public. Or is it now simply legal since obama passed the law that it is ok for intell agencies to influence the US public opinion.

[ThePythonicCow]

Last night, I read this article on Posobiec and a guy called Microchip.
See: https://steemit.com/trending/@motherlibertynow/fake-trolls-attempt-to-debunk-q

Neon Revolt also writes about the Microchip guy.
See: https://www.neonrevolt.com/2018/09/10/breaking-microchip-and-the-deep-state-newq-qanon-greatawakening-neonrevolt/

I think the gist of what they’re saying is that these guys are spreading disinformation.

I just posted PrayingMedic's debunking of Microchip's claims over here: Q REVEALED. Member of Creator Team Confesses And Apologizes -- Post #30 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104245-Q-REVEALED.-Member-of-Creator-Team-Confesses-And-Apologizes&p=1247717&viewfull=1#post1247717)

I agree - what Posobiec and Microchip are saying about Q sounds like disinfo to me and PrayingMedic, as well.

[Foxie Loxie]

It has been many centuries that The Controllers have been influencing "public opinion"....now it's Hallelujah! as more of The Public is waking up to that fact!

We have to hope it is not too late!! It's pretty amazing how many people STILL don't want to be awakened to what is going on around us.

Hearing Sister Keri Burnor's story makes one realize just how far advanced this Technocratic thing has gone. We throw around terms like
"voice to skull", etc. But this poor lady actually had to have a brain implant removed & must live in hiding.

I remember someone recently said, "The Nazis didn't lose the war, they just moved to America." How true!

Shout out to KiwiElf.....looking forward to your return....we miss you!! :sun:

[Valerie Villars]

Foxie, I was going to post the same basic sentiment and then saw your post.

We are subjected to psyops from the time we are born, for sure, and perhaps before and beyond. We simply have to be aware of that fact and proceed accordingly.

[Lettherebelight]

Echoing Foxie,

Many thanks to Paul for delivering the latest Q posts along with other links and insights.

And best wishes to KiwiElf who is much missed. Looking forward to hearing your posts soon. 👍

[ThePythonicCow]

.

Sept 11, 2018
From https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#214

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/11/18 (Tue) 14:04:04 No.214

http://www.military.com/video/operations-and-strategy/terrorism/powerful-must-see-9-11-tribute/2663294173001
We Will Never FORGET!
We Will Never FORGIVE!
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/presidential-proclamation-patriot-day-2018/
PATRIOT DAY.
Q

From https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#215

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/11/18 (Tue) 17:24:01 No.215

File (hide): d2da41159f2dde9⋯.png (357.94 KB, 1639x1044, 1639:1044, d2da41159f2dde987a77d1afe6….png) (h) (u)

https://media.8ch.net/file_store/thumb/d2da41159f2dde987a77d1afe6f6c272a9ee7ef4c8a937ef77c5f0bd16879606.png (https://media.8ch.net/file_store/d2da41159f2dde987a77d1afe6f6c272a9ee7ef4c8a937ef77c5f0bd16879606.png)
File (hide): 0b72867c67fe3a9⋯.png (403.29 KB, 1644x1068, 137:89, 0b72867c67fe3a97731033c2c3….png) (h) (u)

https://media.8ch.net/file_store/thumb/0b72867c67fe3a97731033c2c31cd1abe3058f042dec7c15b508cd023048f829.png (https://media.8ch.net/file_store/0b72867c67fe3a97731033c2c31cd1abe3058f042dec7c15b508cd023048f829.png)
[[ Click above images to enlarge -- Paul. ]]

https://twitter.com/RepMarkMeadows/status/1039582215229857795
https://twitter.com/RepMarkMeadows/status/1039582218832805888
Q

From https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#216 (This post of Q seems missing now? - Paul)

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI No.216 Sep 11 2018 17:40:05 (EST)

https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/09/11/pope-francis-compares-vatican-whistleblower-satan/
Q

From https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#217

File (hide): e8dcd7321c93899⋯.png (597.34 KB, 478x680, 239:340, FISAGATE-TRUTH.png) (h) (u)

https://media.8ch.net/file_store/thumb/e8dcd7321c938992aef619959fc456ded17ac05250455ae651821894dd363b4b.png (https://media.8ch.net/file_store/e8dcd7321c938992aef619959fc456ded17ac05250455ae651821894dd363b4b.png)
[[ Click above image to enlarge -- Paul. ]]

Coming 'VERY SOON' to a theater near you.
Q

From https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#218

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/11/18 (Tue) 18:24:04 No.218

Panic in DC.
[RR] req meeting w/ POTUS DECLINED.
Q
From https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#219

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/11/18 (Tue) 18:26:28 No.219

Panic in DC.
King & Spalding hired [last week] to represent Sally Yates?
Q

From https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#220

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/11/18 (Tue) 18:27:10 No.220

Panic in DC.
Comey in communication w/ McCabe re: 'testimony' 'story'?
Q

From https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#221

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/11/18 (Tue) 18:27:53 No.221

Panic in DC.
James Baker testifying against Comey?
Q

From https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#222

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/11/18 (Tue) 18:28:51 No.222

Panic in DC.
Lisa Page testifying against Peter Strzok?
Q

From https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#223

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/11/18 (Tue) 18:30:23 No.223

Panic in DC.
Bruce Ohr testifying against Rosenstein, Yates, Lynch, and Comey?
Q

From https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#224

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/11/18 (Tue) 18:32:22 No.224

Panic in DC.
Steele req non_extradition to U.S?
UK-US extradition treaty 2003.
Q

From https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#225

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/11/18 (Tue) 18:33:17 No.225

Rats running.
Timing is everything.
Enjoy the show.
Q

From https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#226

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/11/18 (Tue) 18:47:55 No.226

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/11/magazine/a-trail-of-bread-crumbs-leading-conspiracy-theorists-into-the-wilderness.html
Another wave of attacks coming?
Nothing to See Here.
Q

From https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#227

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/11/18 (Tue) 20:57:56 No.227

File (hide): 4bb7e10e2f3f6ff⋯.jpg (124.73 KB, 800x532, 200:133,DmrgWffVsAAx4Hx.jpg-large.jpg) (h) (u)

https://media.8ch.net/file_store/thumb/4bb7e10e2f3f6ff71fbc1b775f86918c56ccab07b2a1cf1cd42965b760e1908a.jpg (https://qanonposts.com/images/4bb7e10e2f3f6ff71fbc1b775f86918c56ccab07b2a1cf1cd42965b760e1908a.jpg)
[I][[ Click above image to enlarge -- Paul. ]]

TOGETHER we WIN.
Q

[jake gittes]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/11/magazine/a-trail-of-bread-crumbs-leading-conspiracy-theorists-into-the-wilderness.html

One of the things that keeps proving Q is for real to me is the litany of "debunking" articles put out by MSM to try to discredit Q and its followers. (And that they keep calling it a "conspiracy theory," which doesn't even make sense.)

If something is SOOOOOOO fake, why devote so much time and energy trying to debunk it? I haven't noticed an endless stream of articles debunking the Easter Bunny or pro wrestling.

The old grey lady doth protest too much, methinks.

[Noelle]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/11/magazine/a-trail-of-bread-crumbs-leading-conspiracy-theorists-into-the-wilderness.html

One of the things that keeps proving Q is for real to me is the litany of "debunking" articles put out by MSM to try to discredit Q and its followers. (And that they keep calling it a "conspiracy theory," which doesn't even make sense.)

If something is SOOOOOOO fake, why devote so much time and energy trying to debunk it? I haven't noticed an endless stream of articles debunking the Easter Bunny or pro wrestling.

The old grey lady doth protest too much, methinks.

I'm with you on that. Also, to my knowledge, no MSM reporter has asked Trump -- directly -- about Q.

Tonight I found this article on the significance of #17. (Source: TheOpenScroll.com.) It's just a starting point for me. The number -- and the letter Q -- probably have roots in ancient Sumer. I am also including an attachment, tweeted by Q months ago, that shows the evolution of the letter Q.

The Numbers Seventeen and One Hundred Fifty-Three (http://www.theopenscroll.com/number17and153.htm)

Excerpt below.

Seventeen

We have observed how seventeen is a significant factor in the number 153. The number 17 is related to the number 3 as it is the other most visible factor in 153, given that 153 = 17 x 9, and 9 is 3 x 3 or 32. Beyond that 17 relates to the number 3 by being what I call a "nested thirds" number. It is the third of a series doubly applied. Consider the following representation of three weeks or three sets of seven units in sequence. Within the third set of sevens, the third unit is number 17 of 21.

Thus, the number 17 is related to three in the context of weeks, being a doubly applied or nested third. Stated another way, seventeen is the third of the third.

This number is linked in scripture to resurrection. It is the day of the month on which the Lord rose from the dead, having been slain as the Paschal lamb on the 14th day of the month and raised to life on the third day. It is also the day of the month the flood of Noah's day began, lifting the ark off the surface of the ground. It was also the day of the month that ark came to rest once again on the ground. The flood was a baptism symbol, and a death and resurrection symbol.

You may wonder why it is that, if three is indeed the resurrection number, the Lord was not also raised on the third day of the month and on the third day of the week. I have no answer for whys of many kinds, but I do believe that the many complex legal requirements pertaining to his death and what He accomplished by it were each met with precision. He was raised on the third day of the third set of seven days counted from the beginning of the month, which was the seventeenth day of the month. He was also raised on a third day of the week, being raised up on the seventh day Shabbat. Remember, the seventh day IS a third day according to the second Adam count. (See Resurrection on the Third Day -- The Seventh Day is a Third Day) Finally, of course, he was raised on the third day from His death.

In Italian culture, the number 17 is considered unlucky, very much how many in this western culture consider the number 13 to be unlucky. The reason for this is because the Roman numeral for 17 is XVII, which can be changed anagramically to VIXI. In Latin VIXI translates to "I have lived." Or, in the perfect tense: "My life is over." This is fascinating because that is how it is with resurrection. The old life is over and the new life begins!

The number seventeen has some unique geometrical features. A hypercube cut along 17 faces unfolds into a three-dimensional cross. There are exactly 17 two-dimensional space (plane symmetry) groups.

The number seventeen is mathematically linked to the numbers seven and three, being the seventh prime number, the third Fermat prime and also the third Stern prime. I'd like to quote from "The King James Code" by Michael Hoggard. "As we will see in the following analysis, the number seventeen overwhelmingly represents the completion of time and change or transformation. Simply put, it represents the change that will take place at the end of time." Now I'm not validating that author's conclusions, but there are some good insights and observations made that are worth repeating here. What I see in 17 is the transition from flesh to spirit. Hoggard references what I know as the Infinity Code as promoted by Al Neal, where a number's meaning is able to be observed in the Bible in the chapter so numbered. In Genesis 17, you will find a very crucial event taking place. The covenant is made between God and Abram, with the promise of Isaac given, the consequent changing of his and Sarai's names and the establishing of the circumcision. From that which is after the flesh - to that which is after the spirit - transition! Time's up for the flesh. Time has arrived for the spirit.

[ThePythonicCow]

Mueller & Holder Shut Down FBI Investigation of Stolen Stealth Defense Technology Implicating Lockheed Martin, While Comey was Lockheed's Top Lawyer

July 24, 2018
https://truepundit.com/mueller-holder-shut-down-fbi-investigation-of-stolen-u-s-stealth-defense-technology-implicating-lockheed-martin-while-comey-was-lockheeds-top-lawyer/

"This was the original pay-to-play scheme and it involves Mueller, Holder, Comey, and Hillary Clinton." Steve Morton, inventor & owner...

"Now my technology is being sold to Russia, China, and all over the world to enemies of the United States."

"Uranium One was millions. This is untold billions."

Another FBI coverup.

This story is developing.

MM
Truepundit has posted another article, by Thomas Paine, on this scandal: Mueller’s FBI Lied to Shut Down Congressional Investigation of Stolen Stealth Defense Technology, Then Comey’s Defense Firm Made Billions (https://truepundit.com/muellers-fbi-lied-to-shut-down-congressional-investigation-of-stolen-stealth-defense-technology-then-comeys-defense-firm-made-billions/).

The FBI squelched a four year investigation into this deal, which was making Lockheed (James Comey was their chief lawyer at the time) billions, and then when Congress stepped into investigate, the FBI lied to Congress, telling Congress that their FBI investigation was still ongoing, so as to stop Congress from investigating as well.

Here's the first part of this article:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mueller’s FBI Lied to Shut Down Congressional Investigation of Stolen Stealth Defense Technology, Then Comey’s Defense Firm Made Billions

Posted on September 11, 2018 by Thomas Paine

It wasn’t bad enough that the FBI under Robert Mueller’s leadership shut down its investigation of stolen U.S. STEALTH defense technology to protect Lockheed Martin while James Comey was Lockheed’s top lawyer.

The FBI next did the unthinkable: Lied to Congressional investigators. And lied big.

For nearly four years the FBI investigated the international theft of STEALTH defense technology from a small Florida marine company that invented an ingenious way to help protect Navy ships and nuclear ballistic submarines from being detected on enemy radar and sonar.

And on the eve before the case was go to a Grand Jury, the case was closed by then-FBI Director Mueller and then-Attorney General Eric Holder.

After the FBI walked away from the case, Congressional investigators took over and began probing the technology and trade-secret theft from the small Florida company by multi-billion dollar defense conglomerates.

Then, Congressional investigators were stopped in their tracks. The FBI reported its criminal investigation was still active which meant Congressional investigators would have to stand down until the FBI finished its probe.

Congress put the case on hold, awaiting a green light from the FBI. But that light never came.

But, records and testimony show the FBI never lifted a finger to reopen the case and it’s representations to Congress that the case was active turned out to be nothing more than a charade to close the Congressional inquiry.

One big lie. A classic Mueller move. And a hallmark of Holder’s political career as well. Two investigations snuffed out for the price of one.

And who benefited? Lockheed Martin and its lead counsel Comey who left the Justice Department to work for the defense contractor.

“This was the original pay-to-play scheme and it involves Mueller, Holder, (James) Comey and (Hillary) Clinton,” said Steve Morton, inventor and owner of a rare robotic ship and submarine stealth painting technology that can help make the U.S. Navy’s fleet invisible on radar and sonar. “They allowed my technology to be stolen by European companies partnered with Lockheed Martin and Comey was the top lawyer for Lockheed.

Now my technology is being sold to the Chinese, Russians, and all over the world to enemies of the United States. I wonder how much Hillary Clinton made on this because she was Secretary of State when the probe was shut down.”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

There's more at Mueller’s FBI Lied to Shut Down Congressional Investigation of Stolen Stealth Defense Technology, Then Comey’s Defense Firm Made Billions (https://truepundit.com/muellers-fbi-lied-to-shut-down-congressional-investigation-of-stolen-stealth-defense-technology-then-comeys-defense-firm-made-billions/)

The depth of the corruption continues to amaze me.

We need some serious house cleaning at the center of the "American" (not my America) empire.

#NotMyAmerica

[ThePythonicCow]

.

One more for Sept 11, 2018
From: https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#228

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/11/18 (Tue) 21:31:27 No.228

https://twitter.com/Stardust_1416/status/1038164687744053250
Q


=====================

Here's the twitter post that Q linked to:

~~~

http://thepythoniccow.us/ItsHammerTime_NotYourMomsOpinion.jpg

[Richard S.]

When you read Q just remember to take a half teaspoon of salt to take it down.

Isn't this the kind of comment that got this thread closed for 24 hours?

I, also, miss KiwiElf...






Mod clarification from Bill: No, that wasn't directed sarcastically at a member as a 1:1 put-down.

Yes, the mods will be happy when Kiwi returns, too. It's up to him. (What we each do, and how we react, is always up to each one of us.)

[mgray]

Is an unredacted Carter Page FISA report sitting on a New York Times server? Quite possibly. My take (https://grayseconomy.com/2018/09/12/nyts-watkins-may-have-had-her-own-insurance-policy-unredacted-page-fisa-images/) here

[Foxie Loxie]

"Stinging"....good one mgray! :sun:

[Ratszinger]

Is an unredacted Carter Page FISA report sitting on a New York Times server? Quite possibly. My take (https://grayseconomy.com/2018/09/12/nyts-watkins-may-have-had-her-own-insurance-policy-unredacted-page-fisa-images/) here

Do you think they will have the cahoonies to black out areas of it anyway even after the release? Seems the deep state did this with the JFK files too didn't they?

[Helene West]

Re: Paul's post#6948, the drop showing the pic of Obama et al - Q is strongly stating that those in the pic will be held accountable - "Coming Very Soon to a Theatre near you".

If within 6 months or so the only hearings/investigations we are watching are that of Trump getting impeached or some twisted diabolical travesty - then yeah, I guess we can say - We've Been Had. But until then, it's not worth arguing with or trying to prove anything to anti-Q's... Some folks are just comfortable with Anti- energy.

[mgray]

Is an unredacted Carter Page FISA report sitting on a New York Times server? Quite possibly. My take (https://grayseconomy.com/2018/09/12/nyts-watkins-may-have-had-her-own-insurance-policy-unredacted-page-fisa-images/) here

Do you think they will have the cahoonies to black out areas of it anyway even after the release? Seems the deep state did this with the JFK files too didn't they?

Given the Times credo nowadays of "All the news that fits our bias" they will not release it. They would rather run a Sunday magazine article debunking Q.

[mgray]

Reddit just shut down the Great Awakening subreddit. Wiped it out completely.

[Helene West]

Reddit just shut down the Great Awakening subreddit. Wiped it out completely.

They are bi*ch slapping citizens now.

[norman]

Please excuse my ignorance. Is that the main zone where it's all happening ?

[ThePythonicCow]

Reddit just shut down the Great Awakening subreddit. Wiped it out completely.
Yes - damn. Thanks for reporting that here, mgray.

I just came here to this thread now, to post that I had also reported the demise of Great Awakening subreddit over on another thread, in response to a (no longer working) link to reddit in a recent post there. My initial report of the demise of Great Awakening subreddit, which I posted about two hours ago, with screen shots showing that the subreddit was taken down nearly three hours ago now: Q REVEALED. Member of Creator Team Confesses And Apologizes -- Post #50 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104245-Q-REVEALED.-Member-of-Creator-Team-Confesses-And-Apologizes&p=1247927&viewfull=1#post1247927).

I reaffirm here my personal commitment to keep a healthy Q discussion going, alive and well, on the Avalon forum.

[Valerie Villars]

Reddit just shut down the Great Awakening subreddit. Wiped it out completely.

They are bi*ch slapping citizens now.

:rofl: Even though it's really not funny. I am really disturbed by all this arbitrary censoring. It makes me love Alex Jones all the more. He's definitely smart enough and hopefully has big enough pockets and lawyers to fight on behalf of free speech.

[ThePythonicCow]

Please excuse my ignorance. Is that the main zone where it's all happening ?

The greatawakening subreddit, on reddit.com, has been one of the most important social media forums discussing Q, since at least January of 2018.

Q is currently making his initial posts in a couple of subforums on 8 chan (8ch.net).

[James Newell]

I guess when free speech is getting suppressed we just have to speak up more. They really are worried about this years elections.

[ThePythonicCow]

.

Sept 12, 2018
From https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#229

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/12/18 (Wed) 15:26:54 No.229

How do you inflict MAX PAIN / DAMAGE?
Drop [daily] carpet bombs [RATS RUNNING] >>> drop/release MOAB?
https://saraacarter.com/how-anti-trump-leakers-moved-from-offense-to-defense/
SESSIONS and FLYNN [targeted] for removal/recusal?
SESSIONS Senate CONF vote?
[RR] Senate CONF vote?
Reconcile.
IF SESSIONS WASN'T A THREAT WHY WAS HE THE PRIMARY TARGET?
WHY WAS IT CRITICAL TO MOVE [RR] INTO DOJ ACTING AG RE: APPOINTMENT OF MUELLER / DIR SC OVERSIGHT [AUTH]?
IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR ENEMY IS PLANNING HOW DO YOU PREPARE STRATEGICALLY?
THINK TODAY.
LEFT SUPPORTING SESSIONS?
LEFT DEFENDING SESSIONS?
STRATEGIC ADVANTAGE?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/12/new-strzok-page-texts-reveal-others-were-leaking-like-mad-in-lead-up-to-trump-russia-probe.html
https://twitter.com/FoxBusiness/status/1039907275274678273
https://twitter.com/AmericaNewsroom/status/1039872139694878722
With PANIC comes MISTAKES.
With PANIC comes BETRAYAL.
With PANIC comes TESTIMONY.
With PANIC comes ………….
These people are STUPID.
FISA GOES BOTH WAYS.
+
HOOAH!
Q
From https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#230

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/12/18 (Wed) 15:45:33 No.230

https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/12/17847186/reddit-qanon-milliondollarextreme-ban-sam-hyde
https://www.cnet.com/news/reddit-bans-qanon-subreddit-that-featured-pro-trump-conspiracy-theories/
CONTENT VIOLATIONS?
STAY STRONG.
STAY TOGETHER.
CENSORSHIP WILL FAIL.
THOSE THEY ATTACK THE MOST ARE THE BIGGEST THREAT.
EXPECT TWITTER/FB FORCE NEXT.
AJ [TEMPLATE] WAS DESIGNED TO ATTACK/CENSOR 'QANON' [primary obj].
Q

From https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#231 [I][[ Note: Q removed this shortly after posting it. -- Paul. ]]

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI No.231 Sep 12 2018 15:50:46 (EST)

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1039950606448910336
"SEXUAL MISCONDUCT"
Nothing to See Here.
Dominoes.
Q

[Helene West]

They have to really come down hard now because this is where folks start talking about organizing and doing something about the censorship and they can't have that.

I noted today that Attorney Lionel of Lionel Nation on Youtube is starting to mention the need for organizing. I expect he'll get a strike or banned if he persists along those lines.

[mgray]

Trying to set up a forum on Voat, but its servers are not that robust.

https://voat.co/v/theawakening/2715538

[ThePythonicCow]

.
From the above two links that Q provides us, discussing further the banning on reddit.com of their /r/greatawakening subreddit.

From https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/12/17847186/reddit-qanon-milliondollarextreme-ban-sam-hyde

Reddit’s QAnon ban points to how it’s tracking toxic communities

Contain a virus, and it doesn’t spread

By Bijan Stephen Sep 12, 2018, 4:13pm EDT

Reddit has finally banned r/greatawakening, the main QAnon subreddit, and then it banned /r/The_GreatAwakening, the backup subreddit where users fled. QAnon, the web of conspiracy theories — which involve Donald Trump, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and politicians and government officials stretching all the way back to Kennedy era — originated on 4chan through Q, an anonymous person purporting to have a high-level security clearance. It then quickly spread to Reddit, Facebook, and eventually offline.

From https://www.cnet.com/news/reddit-bans-qanon-subreddit-that-featured-pro-trump-conspiracy-theories/

Reddit bans QAnon subreddit that featured pro-Trump conspiracy theories

It was taken down for content policy violations, Reddit said.

by Abrar Al-Heeti, September 12, 2018 1:22 PM PDT

A subreddit devoted to QAnon, a conspiracy theory that's captivated far-right social media, has been banned by Reddit.

On Wednesday, the company banned r/greatawakening (http://api.digg.com/api/v5/analytics/canvas/click?content_id=2x5WCLh&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2Fgreatawakening%2F) for "repeated violations of the terms of our content policy," a Reddit representative said.

"We are very clear in our site terms of service that posting content that incites violence, disseminates personal information, or harasses will get users and communities banned from Reddit," the representative said.

The QAnon conspiracy theory has become popular among a group of supporters of President Donald Trump. Allegations include that a multibillion-dollar cement company and Tom Hanks are involved in child sex trafficking and pedophilia, and that Trump and special counsel Robert Mueller are working to take down the Deep State.

QAnon began in October 2017, after a user going by the name "Q" starting posting to 4chan's far-right /pol/ message board. Q claimed to possess insight into the inner workings of the American government, particularly agencies tied to the so-called Deep State. He or she warned of the "Calm Before the Storm." The "anon" in the name QAnon is a reference to 4chan and 8chan users who refer to anonymous users as "anon."

r/greatawakening had over 70,000 subscribers (https://web.archive.org/web/20180911181045/https://www.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/) as of yesterday, Digg reported (http://digg.com/2018/qanon-reddit-banned-great-awakening).

[norman]

Reddit just shut down the Great Awakening subreddit. Wiped it out completely.

They are bi*ch slapping citizens now.

:rofl: Even though it's really not funny. I am really disturbed by all this arbitrary censoring. It makes me love Alex Jones all the more. He's definitely smart enough and hopefully has big enough pockets and lawyers to fight on behalf of free speech.


The magnitude of it is creepily like having something 10 miles across appear in the sky above us, casting a shadow over an entire city or civilisation.


I'm really thinking this thing about China ( a communist corporation ) calling the shots is what it's all about. It's as if Trump and Flynn are the only ones who didn't get the memo. It's not the rabble lefties in the US. Most of them are useful idiot weapons of cultural destruction, or are high up like the clintons, running their own deals to get to live in elite cities and retire as smug crooks.

[ThePythonicCow]

I guess when free speech is getting suppressed we just have to speak up more. They really are worried about this years elections.

That, or "they" are licking their chops at the upcoming US Congressional elections, as an opportunity to further inflame and divide us.

[Ascension]

Even though I do not buy into the Qanon phenomena, I do wonder why Reddit could not have dealt with rule breakers on a post by post basis, rather than axing the entire subreddit. Doesn't appear to make sense, and now, it's going to "validate" the movement even more in the eyes of the researchers.

[ThePythonicCow]

Trying to set up a forum on Voat, but its servers are not that robust.

https://voat.co/v/theawakening/2715538

Awesome. I hope their servers survive the storm :).

[ThePythonicCow]

Even though I do not buy into the Qanon phenomena, I do wonder why Reddit could not have dealt with rule breakers on a post by post basis, rather than axing the entire subreddit. Doesn't appear to make sense, and now, it's going to "validate" the movement even more in the eyes of the researchers.

Confirmed.

My son, who is more of a gamer than he is a tin-foil-hat wearing bovine autist like his father, and who has one political foot in more left coast, main stream, politics (he was frustrated by Hillary's destruction of Bernie Sanders), but who is a regular member of Reddit, announced to me that his interest in Q (of whom I have been telling him more than he wanted to hear) increased after I showed him the banned GreatAwakening subreddit (which he had visited on occasion in the past.)

[Noelle]

https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/12/17847186/reddit-qanon-milliondollarextreme-ban-sam-hyde
https://www.cnet.com/news/reddit-bans-qanon-subreddit-that-featured-pro-trump-conspiracy-theories/
CONTENT VIOLATIONS?
STAY STRONG.
STAY TOGETHER.
CENSORSHIP WILL FAIL.
THOSE THEY ATTACK THE MOST ARE THE BIGGEST THREAT.
EXPECT TWITTER/FB FORCE NEXT.
AJ [TEMPLATE] WAS DESIGNED TO ATTACK/CENSOR 'QANON' [primary obj].
Q

The bolded sentence echos what Q has said in other drops, that this plan has been underway for many years (since JFK's time, I believe). It also implies that the Deep State has known about the Q plan for years. :idea:

[norman]

I have a hard time believing AJ was 'created' to attack whatever emerged as the Q phenomenon, years ago.


I'll keep my eyes peeled, of course, but that's not adding up for me, so far. Actually, on one level AJ has something Q doesn't exibit at all ( because he can't yet ). AJ has a big heart and a vibe that's totally human and caring.


Q may be all of those things too, but until we meet him, Alex is still my grounding spike into the rock of humanity.

[Valerie Villars]

https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/12/17847186/reddit-qanon-milliondollarextreme-ban-sam-hyde
https://www.cnet.com/news/reddit-bans-qanon-subreddit-that-featured-pro-trump-conspiracy-theories/
CONTENT VIOLATIONS?
STAY STRONG.
STAY TOGETHER.
CENSORSHIP WILL FAIL.
THOSE THEY ATTACK THE MOST ARE THE BIGGEST THREAT.
EXPECT TWITTER/FB FORCE NEXT.
AJ [TEMPLATE] WAS DESIGNED TO ATTACK/CENSOR 'QANON' [primary obj].
Q

The bolded sentence echos what Q has said in other drops, that this plan has been underway for many years (since JFK's time, I believe). It also implies that the Deep State has known about the Q plan for years. :idea:

I don't read it like that. I read it as a test to see if they could get AJ by the means used, they would also use the same template to attack Q.

My biggest concern is that once you take something away, you almost never get it back at the same level as it was before it got taken.

For example, if your salary gets cut, for whatever reason, you have to fight and hope it gets back to the same level it was, using an incredible amount of energy just to get a level playing field, which we had and is slowly disappearing.

It's just harder to get it back once it's taken and it almost never happens. You're constantly behind the eight ball.

[ThePythonicCow]

Damn - another reddit take down - the posts of SerialBrain2 on reddit have been wiped:

http://thepythoniccow.us/SerialBrain2_Wiped_from_Reddit.jpg

[Valerie Villars]

This is INSANE. My worst nightmare. Writing and communication is everything. Amazon even started banning books, according to Alex Jones website.

[ThePythonicCow]

Here is another report, this one by Neon Revolt, on the take down of the GreatAwakening subreddit from reddit.com. I'd guess that it might have been on this report, by Neon Revolt, that mgray learned of the new Great Awakening forum, being built on voat.

From https://www.neonrevolt.com/2018/09/12/announcment-r-greatawakening-censored-new-community-inbound-qanon-greatawakening-reddit-censorship-neonrevolt/

ANNOUNCMENT: /r/GreatAwakening CENSORED! New Community INBOUND! #QAnon #GreatAwakening #Reddit #Censorship #NeonRevolt

September 12, 2018 by Neon Revolt

You may have noticed that Reddit censored /r/GreatAwakening today.

Shortly thereafter, /r/The_GreatAwakening was also banned.

While we may have uncovered some deliberate undermining to the sub (in order to sabotage and deliberately take the sub, down), the most important thing we can do right now is coordinate on a new site.

Reddit has shown itself time and time again to be a hostile platform, using any false pretense to censor subs the left-wing ideologues there wish to censors.

As such, the time has come to leave the platform entirely.

The mods of /qresearch/ and r/GreatAwakening have come together and coordinated to bring you a new platform – on a site dedicated to free speech.

Welcome, #QArmy, to The AWAKENING! https://voat.co/v/theawakening

And yes, technically a subverse named v/TheGreatAwakening already existed on Voat, but frankly… we don’t know if we can trust the mods there.

I’d rather go with folks I do know and trust, than folks I don’t know anything about.

(Understand, it’s nothing personal, mods – so please don’t be insulted).

Why are we doing this?

Because Reddit hates you. They would rather have you muzzled, silenced, and dead than allow you to speak freely.

Voat works pretty much the same as Reddit, with user submissions and voting on said submissions, so most transplants should feel right at home. Get over there, create an account, reload the pages if things get a bit buggy, and hang on – because it’s going to be a wild ride from here on out!

Looking forward to seeing you all on the new Subverse.

You’ll find me there under my familiar moniker: NeonRevolt.

[Ratszinger]

This is INSANE. My worst nightmare. Writing and communication is everything. Amazon even started banning books, according to Alex Jones website.

Amazon is bad! I bought a book along with several hundred thousand others a few years back and had it in my Kindle stored. They for whatever reason at Amazon edited the book, I forget why or how now or even the book but each person that bought that book even though it was already purchased and was a done deal had Amazon physically edit their purchased book as well as all future sales. So a entire chapter was like deleted and rewritten in a more acceptable way for whatever reason. They were sued for that and lost.

On a separate note. We were reading the insane stories, nightmares really about the people delivering for them at Amazon and the stress they endure. Sounds like a terrible atmosphere with everything from micro management of time to AI spying and reporting the least of infractions.

[mgray]

Here is another report, this one by Neon Revolt, on the take down of the GreatAwakening subreddit from reddit.com. I'd guess that it might have been on this report, by Neon Revolt, that mgray learned of the new Great Awakening forum, being built on voat.

From https://www.neonrevolt.com/2018/09/12/announcment-r-greatawakening-censored-new-community-inbound-qanon-greatawakening-reddit-censorship-neonrevolt/

...


No Paul. I posted on Great Awakening for the past two months. Got great traffic. The GA mods sent me a link to the voat site. But that site cannot hold up to the traffic.

[ThePythonicCow]

Here is another report, this one by Neon Revolt, on the take down of the GreatAwakening subreddit from reddit.com. I'd guess that it might have been on this report, by Neon Revolt, that mgray learned of the new Great Awakening forum, being built on voat.

No Paul. I posted on Great Awakening for the past two months. Got great traffic. The GA mods sent me a link to the voat site. But that site cannot hold up to the traffic.

ah - thanks !

[ThePythonicCow]

.

Three More on Sept 12, 2018
From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2994461.html#2994981

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/12/18 (Wed) 16:21:05 69b90b (1) No.2994981

>>2994458 (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2993619.html#2994458)
What purpose does it serve for Q to delete PF posts???

https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/catalog.html
Main points of interest only.
It will serve as the main hub of all communications once all other sites 'tracking' collapse [8ch only].
What part of another wave of attacks coming [yesterday] wasn't understood?
This is not a game.
Q

From https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2995301.html#2995423

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/12/18 (Wed) 16:43:57 b2e4b8 (1) No.2995423

>>2995106 (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2994461.html#2995106)
In that case BO needs to open more research boards, 70k posters extra on 1 board is simply not a workable situation
297k

>>2995190 (https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2994461.html#2995190)
← This [No private comms; no comms made outside of this platform] is now becoming very literal
Military planning at its finest.
Q

From https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#232

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/12/18 (Wed) 17:09:14 No.232

File (hide): 72ee22ba3ae0f76⋯.jpg (28.38 KB, 613x243, 613:243, DmYfacLU0AAR9rQ.jpg) (h) (u)
https://media.8ch.net/file_store/thumb/72ee22ba3ae0f7647b340ab291b30866dd8a0ed0c063853ffacb499bfeeb1683.jpg

[Valerie Villars]

This is INSANE. My worst nightmare. Writing and communication is everything. Amazon even started banning books, according to Alex Jones website.

Amazon is bad! I bought a book along with several hundred thousand others a few years back and had it in my Kindle stored. They for whatever reason at Amazon edited the book, I forget why or how now or even the book but each person that bought that book even though it was already purchased and was a done deal had Amazon physically edit their purchased book as well as all future sales. So a entire chapter was like deleted and rewritten in a more acceptable way for whatever reason. They were sued for that and lost.

On a separate note. We were reading the insane stories, nightmares really about the people delivering for them at Amazon and the stress they endure. Sounds like a terrible atmosphere with everything from micro management of time to AI spying and reporting the least of infractions.

Well, that's it. I don't care what I have to give up and how inconvenient it is, I am done with Amazon. Not another penny. And that is going to cost me time, gas, money and convenience. Damn them. Trillions aren't enough?

And I'm already looked at as a freak and have to go to a damn lot of inconvenience because I refuse to carry a cell phone. I've really had it.

[norman]

This is INSANE. My worst nightmare. Writing and communication is everything. Amazon even started banning books, according to Alex Jones website.


Yup, if every digital 'strike' over the last few days and weeks was a nuke, or even just a mortar round, we'd be in absolutely no doubt what was raining down on us.


The imperative, now, is to get an acurate reading of the launch sites, and not waste fire power blowing craters in empty desert.

[Valerie Villars]

This is INSANE. My worst nightmare. Writing and communication is everything. Amazon even started banning books, according to Alex Jones website.


Yup, if every digital 'strike' over the last few days and weeks was a nuke, or even just a mortar round, we'd be in absolutely no doubt what was raining down on us.


The imperative, now, is to get an acurate reading of the launch sites, and not waste fire power blowing craters in empty desert.

Thanks norman, you were somewhat (actually quite a bit) the voice of sanity for me when IT (the creature from the black censorship lagoon) started coming out of the water a few nights ago. I really appreciate your cool saneness in the art of resistance.

[the_vast_mystery]

One thing that gives me hope is that it's not just Trump supporters following Q.

See, I'm not really anti-trump per say, in that I wish that every president succeeds, since they all are all supposedly after the same thing, they just differ on the how. But I don't always agree with the president either. So that should plop me down in the middle.

I talked to one of the great awakening mods, (because I was under the impression that they were all some kind of Pro Trump cult,) and he told me that there were a bunch of Bernie (my man last election) supporters as well. I've been dipping my toe in the waters of the UFO/Conspiracy/Spiritual side of the 'net and it's been difficult to find a home that's not ardently right wing. In case you haven't guessed, I'm a leftist. So hearing Q had a place for someone like me I started to see what all the hubbub is about.

Sadly, the great awakening went down so soon. I had just discovered it and had yet to go through all the newbie material to catch me up to speed on Q.

[mountain_jim]

I recall that during all the pizzagate activity following the WikiLeaks emails dump, Reddit shut that down as well, and as much of the content as possible was moved to voat.

[ThePythonicCow]

My son ... who is a regular member of Reddit, announced to me that his interest in Q ... increased after I showed him the banned GreatAwakening subreddit
My son has done some more research on Reddit. He came across this Reddit thread These subs have also been banned (https://www.reddit.com/r/TopMindsOfReddit/comments/9faf2z/rgreatawakening_has_been_banned/e5v0c2h/). However, upon reading a bit of the reddit "discussion" regarding Q and these bans, this looks to me like a food fight being conducted inside a New York City sanitation sewage treatment plant, by monkeys injected with methamphetamine.

Not recommended reading, for those who would hold out some hope for humanity :).

Anyway, that subreddit reports that at least another 30+ reddit.com subreddits, each with a "Q" or "storm" or similar in their name, have been banned:

r/The_GreatAwakening
r/thegreatawakening
r/AFTERTHESTQRM
r/BiblicalQ
r/TheCalmBeforeTheStorm
r/CalmBeforeTheStorm
r/qproofs
r/QAnon_Serious
r/WWG1WGA
r/GreatAwakeningII
r/TheGreatWakeUp
r/greatest_awakening
r/great_awaken
r/QClearanceAnon
r/greatawakening2
r/TheStorm
r/QAnon
r/Quincels
r/quqanon
r/GREATqAWAKENING
r/QAnonUK
r/thestormishere
r/The_SwampWatch
r/QanonTools
r/QGreatAwakening
r/QanonandJFKjr
r/WWG1WGA01
r/ThankQ
r/ThePatriotArk
r/PatriotsFight
r/Q4U
r/BiblicQ

i do not have any direct knowledge of what was on any of these subreddits, prior to their being banned, so cannot pass judgement on the merits of the decision to ban them.

I am glad that I "live" on a far better moderated forum.

[ThePythonicCow]

Damn - another reddit take down - the posts of SerialBrain2 on reddit have been wiped:
SerialBrain2 now does have one, new, post up on reddit, entitled All Q related subs banned. (https://www.reddit.com/user/SerialBrain2/comments/9fcp45/all_q_related_subs_banned/). It's relevant to the current discussion here, so I will quote it here:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

All Q related subs banned.

Perfect. I wanted to wait to see what would happen to other Q related subs on Reddit before posting there. Now they are all gone and we therefore can all conclude it was a deliberate strategy to silence us and was not related to content, to offense, to guidelines, rules or anything like that.

Knowing this, we can now expand and see that our next move to re-group has to be done out of Reddit. VOAT seems to be an option but so far, it seems they have server capacity issues.

Let's continue thinking and exchanging about this and make a final decision in the coming hours.

Let's all stay united, let's all stay the course. Q is still posting on 8chan and has made several drops tonight including one about the banning. He said their attempt to silence us will fail. I trust Q, I know many of you trust me so we don't have anything to fear. This blunt move shows the desperation of the enemy and his inability to oppose us without breaking the rules.

We have already won.

Much Love!

WWG1WGA!

SB2.

Edit: for the time being it seems the best spot where we can re-group is here: https://www.voat.co/v/theawakening

I have created an account under SerialBrain2. Create an account and let's try to spot each other comments, upvote them so that we are all allowed to post quickly.

You may find my comments here: https://www.voat.co/user/SerialBrain2/comments I am kindly asking you to upvote them. According to their rules I am still studying, this will allow me to post as soon as possible. Thank you!

Good luck to all!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[ThePythonicCow]

.

Last one for Sept 12, 2018

This is the last Q post for Sept 12 ... but it's a big one. Enjoy.

From https://8ch.net/patriotsfight/res/62.html#233

Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/12/18 (Wed) 19:44:35 No.233

How do you demonstrate 'reasonable cause' to regulate and/or break up BIG TECH?
What is the common theme/tactic of the LEFT?
Define 'Fascism'.
Forcible suppression of opposition?
Define 'Censorship'.
The institution, system, or practice of censoring?
Define 'Narrative'.
A way of presenting or understanding a situation or series of events that reflects and promotes a particular point of view or set of values?
Define 'Projection'.
The attribution of one's own ideas, feelings, or attitudes to other people or to objects; especially : the externalization of blame, guilt, or responsibility as a defense against anxiety?
The forming of a plan : scheming?
Define 'Psychological Projection'.
A theory in psychology in which the human ego defends itself against unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others?
Define 'Narcissist'.
A person who has an excessive interest in or admiration of themselves: narcissists who think the world revolves around them | narcissists preening themselves in front of the mirror?
Define 'Dogma'.
A point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative without adequate grounds?
Define 'Aggression'.
Forceful and sometimes overly assertive pursuit of one's aims and interests?
Define 'Suppression'.
The action of suppressing something such as an activity or publication?
[Bonus Round]
'Narcissists' are renowned for using 'psychological projection' to blame other people, even when it is entirely apparent that they are the ones in the wrong.
——————————–
Define 'Realism'.
The quality or fact of representing a person, thing, or situation accurately or in a way that is true to life?
[Realism]
Actions of [ANTIFA]:
-Aggression (Projection)
-Suppression (Fascism)
-Censorship (Narrative-Dogma)
Actions of [FAKE NEWS]:
-Aggression (Projection)
-Suppression (Fascism)
-Censorship (Narrative-Dogma)
Actions of [TWITTER, FB, GOOG, YT, REDDIT, etc..]:
-Aggression (Projection)
-Suppression (Fascism)
-Censorship (Narrative-Dogma)
BOMBS AWAY!
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-11/sessions-is-said-to-be-open-to-probe-of-social-media-giants
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/08/31/hey-google-facebook-twitter-trumps-got-point-need-to-do-better-job-self-regulating.html
MASSIVE FAKE NEWS ATTENTION FOR A 'CONSPIRACY' REDDIT BOARD BEING BANNED?
WHY ARE WE BEING TARGETED BY SOME OF THE LARGEST MEDIA ORGANIZATIONS ON THE PLANET?
[Sample]
https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/12/17847186/reddit-qanon-milliondollarextreme-ban-sam-hyde
https://nypost.com/2018/09/12/reddit-bans-qanon-conspiracy-theory-forums/
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/business/Reddit-Bans-Qanon-Great-Awakening-Subreddits-493096041.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/reddit-bans-qanon-subreddits-after-months-violent-threats-n909061
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2018/09/12/reddit-bans-r-greatawakening-the-main-subreddit-for-qanon-conspiracy-theorists/?utm_term=.76fbe6bdbb4b
https://qz.com/1384432/reddit-banned-qanon/
https://slate.com/technology/2018/09/reddit-banned-qanon-conspiracy-theory-message-boards.html
https://www.newsweek.com/qanon-great-awakening-subreddit-conspiracy-theory-q-anon-latest-storm-1119060
http://thehill.com/policy/technology/406344-reddit-bans-qanon-subreddit
https://www.engadget.com/2018/09/12/reddit-bans-qanon-communities/
https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/reddit-bans-qanon-forum-great-awakening/
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/7xj989/reddit-bans-the-greatawakening-subreddit-responsible-for-mainstreaming-qanon-conspiracy-theories
http://nymag.com/selectall/2018/09/reddit-bans-major-qanon-message-board-r-greatawakening.html
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1040009457244274688
"PANIC IN DC" statements start a FIRE?
Twelve moves ahead.
Suicide watch.
Q

[mountain_jim]

For commentary on latest Qanon drops and

Concerning the Reddit ban..

https://www.neonrevolt.com/2018/09/13/the-complotaccompli-be-strong-we-will-win-newq-qanon-greatawakening-neonrevolt/






https://bigleaguepolitics.com/breaking-reddit-shuts-down-second-largest-pro-trump-subreddit/


Top Reddit moderators have provided Big League Politics with information showing that left-wing operatives including an employee of CBS have been involved in posing as Trump supporters to post offensive anonymous content on Reddit in order to get pro-Trump subreddits flagged. BLP will be rolling out that information today as this censorship purge goes into high gear.

The CBS employee has been identified by top Reddit moderators as Gary Phillips, who serves as digital media administrator for CBS Studios International in Los Angeles.

Phillips runs a private subreddit in which he makes clear his liberal ideology, and plans his covert actions against Trump subreddits according to copious information reviewed by the editorial staff.

...

More than 30 covert left-wing actors have been identified coordinating with Phillips, including activists linked to Media Matters and the ACLU.






Reddit’s been cucked for a long time, and there was no doubt they were screwing with the numbers. Some may remember what Cannibal-Exec u/Spez (look in my Gab if you missed that post) did to /r/The_Donald, where they capped the total number of subs around 650,000 in 2016.

And then users went into the publicly available advertising data (because ad buyers want to know what size audience they’re trying to tap – and the reddit admins couldn’t censor that without committing FRAUD) and they found out the actual number of subscribers at the time was closer to 6 million.

Yeah.

Reddit’s been a patient on its deathbed for a long time, barely kept alive by our own complacency.

Time to throw off the silicon shackles once more, and head for greener pastures.

Which, for the time being, is Voat.

[mgray]

My thoughts (https://grayseconomy.com/2018/09/13/you-cant-say-you-saw-this-post-on-reddit-anymore/) on the Reddit mass extinction on Wednesday and what it should mean to Silicon Valley as a whole.

[Chanie]

A new board on 8chan has been created to welcome the refugees from the great awakening subreddit.
See: https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSharpEdge1/status/1040097964700532736
See: https://8ch.net/patriotsawoken/index.html

[mountain_jim]

My thoughts (https://grayseconomy.com/2018/09/13/you-cant-say-you-saw-this-post-on-reddit-anymore/) on the Reddit mass extinction on Wednesday and what it should mean to Silicon Valley as a whole.

Well and powerfully said! :clapping:

[RunningDeer]

My thoughts (https://grayseconomy.com/2018/09/13/you-cant-say-you-saw-this-post-on-reddit-anymore/) on the Reddit mass extinction on Wednesday and what it should mean to Silicon Valley as a whole.

Thorough article, MGray. http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/thumbs-2.gif

I checked out your Editor’s Note.
(Editor’s Note (https://grayseconomy.com/2018/09/13/you-cant-say-you-saw-this-post-on-reddit-anymore/): I’ll be attempting to post this on Voat.co in theawakenings forum.)

I wasn’t able to find the search box @ voat.co. (I'm only a 1/2 cup caffeinated.) There’s a GreatAwakening (https://www.voat.co/v/GreatAwakening/new) section, but I couldn’t get to theawakenings even when I typed it into the address bar.


https://www.voat.co/v/GreatAwakening/new

https://i.imgur.com/Qhu3ezz.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/F5VZkI8.gif

UPDATE: I caught this above.

UPDATE #2: Paul also provided a link above to 'the awakening'. I don't know why it didn't work for me.


No Paul. I posted on Great Awakening for the past two months. Got great traffic. The GA mods sent me a link to the voat site. But that site cannot hold up to the traffic.

[mgray]

My thoughts (https://grayseconomy.com/2018/09/13/you-cant-say-you-saw-this-post-on-reddit-anymore/) on the Reddit mass extinction on Wednesday and what it should mean to Silicon Valley as a whole.

Thorough article, MGray. http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/thumbs-2.gif

I checked out your Editor’s Note.
(Editor’s Note (https://grayseconomy.com/2018/09/13/you-cant-say-you-saw-this-post-on-reddit-anymore/): I’ll be attempting to post this on Voat.co in theawakenings forum.)

I wasn’t able to find the search box @ voat.co. (I'm only a 1/2 cup caffeinated.) There’s a GreatAwakening (https://www.voat.co/v/GreatAwakening/new) section, but I couldn’t get to theawakenings even when I typed it into the address bar.


https://www.voat.co/v/GreatAwakening/new

https://i.imgur.com/Qhu3ezz.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/F5VZkI8.gif

UPDATE: I caught this above.


No Paul. I posted on Great Awakening for the past two months. Got great traffic. The GA mods sent me a link to the voat site. But that site cannot hold up to the traffic.

RD, Voat is very difficult to navigate and I still am unable to post there. I also cannot seem to get an answer to what I need to do to post. I have over a 100 up votes, but it tells me I need 10 CCPs (whatever that means).

The Great Awakenings I reference to Paul was the subreddit.

[Noelle]

About 10 hours ago, the Q on Twitter tweeted this photo. No text accompanied the image, but you can check out the comments beneath the tweet for ideas on what we're looking at.

https://twitter.com/mG7VJxZNCI/status/1040082736449388544

[RunningDeer]

RD, Voat is very difficult to navigate and I still am unable to post there. I also cannot seem to get an answer to what I need to do to post. I have over a 100 up votes, but it tells me I need 10 CCPs (whatever that means).

The Great Awakenings I reference to Paul was the subreddit.
All of it EATS up a lot of time... http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/hypnotize.gifhttp://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/im-ok.gif


https://i.imgur.com/F5VZkI8.gif

I didn’t take the time to digest but if you are still interest in CCP (comment contribution points) and votes, these may help clarify:




There is a voat-wide rule: until a new member has 100 comment contribution points, they may not make ANY submissions nor may they downvoat. The same if their CCP falls below 100 at any time, whilst their CCP is below 100.

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First, allow me to introduce you to the Voat acronyms "SCP" and "CCP". At Voat, your activity, whether submissions or comments, is measured in Contribution Points. They are split into Submission Contribution Points (SCP) and Comment Contribution Points (CCP). These figures are located right next to your username at the top right corner of any default Voat page once you log in.

Now, let's explain how the Contribution Points system works. We'll start with submissions. When you post a link (to an external site) or start a discussion (a self post), your submission automatically gets an upvoat and you get a +1 added to your SCP total. When users start upvoating/downvoating your submission, you get +1 for each upvoat and -1 for each downvoat added to your SCP total. Comments, on the other hand, start at 0 points. So you....

[continued (https://voat.co/v/TellVoat/comments/301176)]

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