Positive Reptilian Contact?

[Tam]

Hello, everyone. Lately, I've been curious about Reptilian races, and the overall schema people have of them. As part of my own research, as well as a general exercise, I was wondering which one of you, if any, have had any positive encounters with STO-oriented Reptilian beings?

Ideally, I'd like this thread to become a discussion of sorts, wherein we exchange experiences or secondhand information (either read online or heard from others), and any beliefs members may have about this rather touchy subject.

To me, personally, the idea that all Reptilians are evil is as absurd as saying that all human men are good; as sentient, free beings, there are, at the very least, bound to be a few outliers. Furthermore, I believe that those that would pretense to assume that there is no such thing as a 'good' Reptilian should take a good, hard look at the human species, our history, and our current state, before they preach. I mean no disrespect, of course, and warmly welcome anyone that believes this to discuss here, so that, at the very least, we brainstorm together.

Who knows, maybe some growth will even result for all people involved.

Discuss!

[DeDukshyn]

 
For anyone to ever say things like "all reptilians are evil" or "all aliens are good", in my opinion, is a bit amateurish. Terms like "Good" and "Evil" are in the eye of the beholder. And while there might be much consensus, for the most part, on what we would consider "evil" or "good", it can not (except for conversational efficiency, perhaps) be considered a quality of something - again because it lies within the reaction of the viewer themself and not intrinsically within what they are viewing. Some people would argue in principle, but technically, this is entirely true.

This is why I don't really like the terms "good' or "evil" (though I have used them myself at times for conversational efficiency and relatable-ness) as any type of meaningful descriptors. To me it seems lazy and potentially inaccurate.

Bill made a good post somewhere recently, I wish I could remember the thread, where he answers a similar proposal with questions that inspires thought - something about asking what is evil, and then pointing that question back on humanity in things that we consider "normal" or "not evil" -- it was a good post, maybe if someone knows what I am talking about or stumble across it they can copy it here.


All that said, there are two types of minds in the Universe, STAs and STSs. I use the term STA because STO, in my opinion is disingenuous. STA stands for Service-To-All. All, not "others". Self sacrifice is indicated with the term STO and that is not a consideration for this equation, it just sort of hitches a ride on the word "others". Service-to-All allows an "STA" to be a part of the working universe and a recipient of their own offerings.

I believe that any sovereign spirit based mind (and in future we may find this can apply to AI ... who knows) has potential to be either STS or STA, a gazillion factors play into that equation. I do though also believe that probability of either is different between what we would consider reptilian based mind and mammalian based mind, the mind in this case being the spiritual mind itself, and not the physical one ( I don't subscribe to the belief that matter makes spirit - I believe that spirit makes matter).

Never met any aliens that I was aware of (likely met many I wasn't ;)), so I have really nothing anecdotal to add.

[Omni]

I believe in benevolent reptilians also, but that doesn't mean that the epitome of evil in the galaxy isn't reptilian. I think it is.

[Jayren]

Yea the reptilian thing is a big deal on Earth, earth is only one planet of the trillions that exist out there ,some are very highly advanced while some are only advanced as we are and of course some are now where where we are in our evolution but where are we even in our evolution? Just look at our society ! They want to talk about satanic rituals and stuff well everything in life is basically a ritual here when it comes to blood sacrifices look to the slaughter houses, that’s one of the biggest blood sacrifices that people participate in daily and wonder why “the powers that be” can get away with so much because we are just as guilty as them, I know how that sounds but I guarantee you half of the people on this forum still eat meat , and they look for the most innocent of life to make the blood sacrifices work and what’s more innocent then a defenseless animal? The truth is we don’t need meat to survive. So now that they have people participating in that ritual it’s like it’s okay right ? It’s okau to eat meat? Because we don’t view those animals as equal but they are just as equal to us as we are to them , they are a life form, how would you like it if another life form that’s perceived as more intelligent starts eating us? For that to happen that being would have to see us as a lower life form and not our equal. Now we have heard of repltilian beings eating humans, I’m sure it’s 1 or 2 people that can say they read that information somewhere that that’s what they sometimes maybe will do, because they see us as food and a energy resource , it’s probably one of the main reasons why we practice eating meat because if the reptilians think it’s okay then they want people to start thinking it’s okay so they won’t get in as much trouble because hey he was eating meat too... Our history goes back far then what most people can imagine , I don’t even think we originate from this earth but sometime somewhere something ****ed us bad and here we are now.

I had a dream before with a reptilian in it, Satan as they say in the Bible I think is a reptilian or the antichrist they’re reptilian, and there’s one of them that represents them that wants to live forever , the representative of this reptilian group wants to find the fountain of youth , then he wants to replace the human population with there own reptilian race , there is definitely an alien agenda going on on this earth and they are hiding in plain sight...

But apparently they can’t just take over forcefully so they’re just doing it behind the scenes having all the fun in the world pretending to be human because if you already took over the world from the inside then what’s the rush to kill all the humans that live here ? They want to have as much fun as possible before they do it and their idea of fun might not be the same as you and I. They participate in some pretty weird **** and it rubs off on us, the meat eating all type of stuff like that is learned, it’s been passed down generation to generation conditioning at its finest, but I don’t think they can really start anything major but they are waiting for the time to do so like they are just hoping for something bad to happen like the light to give up on us but as long as the light is here faith remains , Faith is the biggest thing you can have in these times, it’s an invisible magical power , your faith in this planet that everything will work out with th light being Victorius is exactly why it will... and yea they control the military but if the military knew the ones in control were reptilian they would turn on them so quick it would be like monsters vs aliens

So to you people at the very top misleading the people on this planet you are going to get what is coming to you within my very own lifetime , I PROMISE......!!!!!!!!

[Tam]

All very good points. Thank you for bringing them up. I agree with the whole good/evil thing, but the STA bit is something I didn't think of before, and you are absolutely right. It is an apt, subtle, yet very profound difference.

[Innocent Warrior]

 Bill made a good post somewhere recently, I wish I could remember the thread, where he answers a similar proposal with questions that inspires thought - something about asking what is evil, and then pointing that question back on humanity in things that we consider "normal" or "not evil" -- it was a good post, maybe if someone knows what I am talking about or stumble across it they can copy it here.

Was it this one (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?26599-Are-the-Grey-ETs-really-evil&p=1187086&viewfull=1#post1187086) from the greys thread?

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I recall reading a person's account of a kind of endearing interaction with two reptilian ETs, I read it online years ago so I can't remember most of the details, just the crux of the story. It's anecdotal and I don't recall who the author was either, so coming from me at this point its value is little more than entertainment but here it is...

If I remember correctly it was a young man and he was in a forest when he was communicating with two reptilians, they were both wearing long robes with large hoods and the man couldn't see either of their faces at all, so the man asked them to remove their hoods. One of the reptilians 'said' that if they were to remove their hoods it would strike terror through the man. The man suggested that perhaps if they waved they would appear more friendly to him and it would help. Both the reptilians obliged and removed their hoods. The man was suitably terrified and in a weak, trembling voice he said, "you said you'd wave". In a sort of resigned manner, both of the reptilians slowly raised their hands and began to wave at him.

[The Freedom Train]

Yes a difficult topic - who knows how many people we know are in fact Reptilian in some way - in terms of bloodlines and breeding, genetics. I sometimes wonder about a few people that I know. I wish I knew for sure about my own bloodlines for that matter. As for the good v evil debate - yes there is a lot of complexity, and each being is at once an individual as well as part of a collective. On the whole, I do not consider an intelligent species that chooses to cloak itself in obscurity to be a friendly....

[Spellbound]

I believe in benevolent reptilians also, but that doesn't mean that the epitome of evil in the galaxy isn't reptilian. I think it is.

+1

Dave - Toronto

[Bill Ryan]

I reported this important story told by Barbara Lamb, here: (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63172-A-Brief-but-Important-Point-to-the-UFO-Community&p=735038&viewfull=1#post735038) (the second part of that post):

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Re benevolent reptilians, the following story was told to me personally by Barbara Lamb (http://barbaralambmft.com/) (who counsels 'experiencers'). I met her by chance in a coffee shop at a conference we were both attending, and we got talking. She was a delightful person, very easy to talk to. I asked her if she had ever had any 'experiences' worth recounting.

To my amazement, she told me she had had a hands-on encounter with a reptilian. It had manifested physically and 100% solidly in her bedroom, and it held her hand, in silence, while the two of them just looked at one another. She said the entire incident must have lasted just two minutes (but I bet they were very long minutes).

The being did not speak, but communicated with her telepathically. The very clear message that she received was that not all reptilians were hostile, and that this being had been bred (I remember Barbara used that word) specifically to make contact with certain humans to give them that particular message. Barbara told me that at no point did she feel alarmed or intimidated -- which in itself would seem to be quite something.

[DeDukshyn]

 Bill made a good post somewhere recently, I wish I could remember the thread, where he answers a similar proposal with questions that inspires thought - something about asking what is evil, and then pointing that question back on humanity in things that we consider "normal" or "not evil" -- it was a good post, maybe if someone knows what I am talking about or stumble across it they can copy it here.

Was it this one (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?26599-Are-the-Grey-ETs-really-evil&p=1187086&viewfull=1#post1187086) from the greys thread?

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I recall reading a person's account of a kind of endearing interaction with two reptilian ETs, I read it online years ago so I can't remember most of the details, just the crux of the story. It's anecdotal and I don't recall who the author was either, so coming from me at this point its value is little more than entertainment but here it is...

If I remember correctly it was a young man and he was in a forest when he was communicating with two reptilians, they were both wearing long robes with large hoods and the man couldn't see either of their faces at all, so the man asked them to remove their hoods. One of the reptilians 'said' that if they were to remove their hoods it would strike terror through the man. The man suggested that perhaps if they waved they would appear more friendly to him and it would help. Both the reptilians obliged and removed their hoods. The man was suitably terrified and in a weak, trembling voice he said, "you said you'd wave". In a sort of resigned manner, both of the reptilians slowly raised their hands and began to wave at him.

That's the one! Thanks!

[ExomatrixTV]

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[ExomatrixTV]

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[Mutchie]

Bill Tompkins claimed that the Draco actually own planet Earth and that WE the human race are their creation " slave race" so they class this as their laboratory and the Moon is an Alien command centre again owned by the Draco he even claimed they were out in their hundreds around the crater when Apollo landed ... So many people are talking about the Archons is it possible that we are more than a food source cause we know many of the reptiles are said to enjoy eating children and of course they say that our negative energy is a stimulant of sorts and that Earth is a Prison planet with a soul net keeping us trapped in the matrix... The more you look at the world today the more THE ARCHONS MAKES SENSE ... ITS JUST MADNESS ALL THE WARS , THE SHOOTINGS , THE MURDERS , HUMAN TRAFFICKING need i go on but if it is ALL TRUE and im thinking it is HOW DO WE COMBAT SOMETHING SO FAR IN ADVANCE OF OURSELVES ? Look at our pathetic lifespans they are sooo SHORT they claim this was deliberate because early humans in the bible seemed to live much longer and even today the Nordics are said to live to 2000 years old so WHY are we lucky if we see 80 years old ? Disclosure might not be ALL WE HOPE FOR INFACT IT COULD BE A NIGHTMARE DEPENDING HOW IT PLAYS OUT im assuming these shapeshifters are in power on Earth already .... We need help i think !!!

[Tam]

I reported this important story told by Barbara Lamb, here: (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63172-A-Brief-but-Important-Point-to-the-UFO-Community&p=735038&viewfull=1#post735038) (the second part of that post):

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Re benevolent reptilians, the following story was told to me personally by Barbara Lamb (http://barbaralambmft.com/) (who counsels 'experiencers'). I met her by chance in a coffee shop at a conference we were both attending, and we got talking. She was a delightful person, very easy to talk to. I asked her if she had ever had any 'experiences' worth recounting.

To my amazement, she told me she had had a hands-on encounter with a reptilian. It had manifested physically and 100% solidly in her bedroom, and it held her hand, in silence, while the two of them just looked at one another. She said the entire incident must have lasted just two minutes (but I bet they were very long minutes).

The being did not speak, but communicated with her telepathically. The very clear message that she received was that not all reptilians were hostile, and that this being had been bred (I remember Barbara used that word) specifically to make contact with certain humans to give them that particular message. Barbara told me that at no point did she feel alarmed or intimidated -- which in itself would seem to be quite something.

How interesting. I have been told by an alleged psychic that one of my spirit guides is a Reptilian. Now, she could have been all manner of illegitimate, but she did get some things right that make me think she's at least clairvoyant to an extent.

That being said, if this is indeed true, perhaps my guide is kin with what Barbara experienced? Or there could be all manner of Reptilian being out there. In any case, the whole subject is very interesting, and I'm glad Barbara was able to share that experience with you (as well as having experienced it). Of course, we all need to be mindful of deception, but that can be said for virtually every encounter with a non-human sentient being.

[Innocent Warrior]

That doesn't surprise me, Indigris. One of my guardians is a dragon, not a reptilian but he's still a type of being that's considered to be evil (eg the biblical great dragon that's hurled to earth). I've never seen him in physical form, he said he's very big and scary looking (like the dragons depicted in medieval pictures) but he has manifested in spirit form in physicality for me, twice, and he's a very unique and powerful spirit.

The first time was after he told me he would, I was walking with my friend and he manifested as a warm wind that whooshed around in a large infinity pattern and he made physical contact with both my friend and I each time he passed between us, a bit like when a cat smooches you by running their body along you. The second time was in my bedroom, a much smaller space but he just went through the walls like they weren't there (as spirits do) as he flew in the infinity pattern but this time he was speaking to me the whole time and his voice was stationary, beside me.

He's guided me a lot and protects me. He's fearless and fierce but he's a very happy being, funny, kind, smart and one of my best friends.

[Tam]

That doesn't surprise me, Indigris. One of my guardians is a dragon, not a reptilian but he's still a type of being that's considered to be evil (eg the biblical great dragon that's hurled to earth). I've never seen him in physical form, he said he's very big and scary looking (like the dragons depicted in medieval pictures) but he has manifested in spirit form in physicality for me, twice, and he's a very unique and powerful spirit.

The first time was after he told me he would, I was walking with my friend and he manifested as a warm wind that whooshed around in a large infinity pattern and he made physical contact with both my friend and I each time he passed between us, a bit like when a cat smooches you by running their body along you. The second time was in my bedroom, a much smaller space but he just went through the walls like they weren't there (as spirits do) as he flew in the infinity pattern but this time he was speaking to me the whole time and his voice was stationary, beside me.

He's guided me a lot and protects me. He's fearless and fierce but he's a very happy being, funny, kind, smart and one of my best friends.

He sounds like a joy to have around. Supposedly, mine is a warrior, with swords and the whole shabang. I have never heard nor seen him, but for some reason, I keep getting the image that he wears blue. Maybe that's him talking, but I don't think so. According to the woman that told me about him, he's very tall, muscular, has a face that resembles a Komodo dragon, and has a loud, deep, rumbling voice.

Doesn't sound like the kind of dude you want to pick a fight with :)

I would probably s**t myself if he just randomly popped up in my apartment without warning, but somehow, this image she gave me of him doesn't frighten me at all. That being said, I've gotten zero communication from him as far as I am concerned, but it could just be that I'm dense and haven't noticed. I haven't been meditating like I was instructed/nudged to, though, so that's likely why. I hope I'm not pissing him off, lol.

When you heard your dragon friend the first time, did you hear him audibly, as if he were physically in the room with you?

I think we should discuss this via PM, though: I don't want to pollute the thread too much, but I figured I would share this much in case anyone's interested :)

[Callista]

My Guard is a Reptilian, placed there by my Mantids specifically to guard me. He is extremely respectful and addresses me as "My Lady".

There are different reptilians on this planet and not all of them are Draco, just as not all humans are Hitler.

[Tam]

My Guard is a Reptilian, placed there by my Mantids specifically to guard me. He is extremely respectful and addresses me as "My Lady".

There are different reptilians on this planet and not all of them are Draco, just as not all humans are Hitler.

Your Guard? Is that basically the same thing as a Spirit Guide, just a different name, or is it something else entirely? I recall watching a documentary a while back where a gentleman had a pair of reptilian guards, but it was never stated what their designated reason for this was.

[DNA]

Exomatrix, have you digested any of the Lacerta information?


Not to be that guy, but I find it highly ineffective providing videos without an opinion or your own account of that information.
I've digested the information and I find it intriguing to no end.
I'm of the opinion that the Lacerta information may very well be the ONLY account that matters as far as reptilians are concerned.


It offers a detailed account, historical perspective and an understanding of what is going on.
IF the Lacerta interview is true, (and as crazy as it sounds I lean in that direction) it is top notch to the extent that ALL of the other information on Reptilians can be discarded because of how irrelevant it is.


When exposing yourself to the information prepare to take notes, because there is just so much information it will be lost on you if you don't.

[mountain_jim]

I appreciate being made aware of the Lacerta interview, and found much of the rich historical detail quite interesting.

The basic premise reminded me of Doctor Who and the Silurians, written in 1969 I believe and revisited on down through the series of Doctors and stories.

I also can entertain the possibility that the Lacerta account contains true info.

At 1:56 to 1:58 or so, the discussion around the image of the triangular UFO she ascribed to the US SSP apparently was quite interesting.

Here is a post from another forum discussing this material 10 years ago I found worthwhile:



One aspect of the file that I researched was the comet that hit earth 65 million years ago. Apparently, there are multiple craters (no actual fragments of the comet) that dates back to 65 million years. The shiva crater, which is highly debated, implies that a comet of 25 miles diameter hit earth at approximately the same time. Hmmm... that's interesting. Also, the evidence for this cataclysm is not so much in the material of the comet as it is in the effects of a thermal blast, that are often times associated with comets (i.e. crystaline globule structures, and iridium deposits).

FACT:

The Hominid's transformation to Human was faster than any other recorded species. This changes has been characterized as violent genetic mutations in the brains that increased the brain mass at a rate that was unprecedented in the grand taxonomy of evolution.

We have more junk DNA (90% of total DNA) than any other species. This is strange when you consider how efficiently evolution molds life.

Many ancient cultures such as the Sumerians and Egyptians reached their pennicle at the onset of their civilization, only to regress gradually with time. This is an archeological and anthopological anomaly that is widely known in the field, but is not much talked about.

Recent decoding of Neanderthal DNA has revealed that Humans did not genetically branch ouf from the Neanderthal ancestors. There is no DNA evidence that they ever mated with Humans.

65 million years ago there was a class of dinosaurs called Troodon. This species had a brain larger than most modern birds, and was said to have the same type of brain-mass /body-mass ratio as modern birds. This is important because evolutionary psychology tells us that the single most important indicator for intelligence is brain-mass/ body-mass ratio. THat's why a parot is so smart. The Troodon had a body mass of a small human, but a brain-mass/body-mass ratio that is of a higher degree to mammals. This creature also had a partially apposable thumb. They had large eyes which indicates they are of a nocturnal nature (think caves). link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troodon

There are African minning sites that date as far back as 60,000 B.C.

OPINION



Social Psychological studies have demonstrated that Humans have a group oriented mentallity that is shortsighted and is oblivious to others outside their group. This tendency extends to humanity's natural arrogant self perception. Assuming the universe revolves around earth is one example. It wasn't until Corpenicus heliocentric discovery were people's knowledge no longer pervious to their natural belief of being special. Similarly people nowadays naturally take the disposition that we could be uniqure amongst billions of candidates, that we may indeed be the only intelligent life form in the universe.

Emperical observation indicates that the necessary element for life in earth is a geophysical sourse that produces energy for some type of simple bacteria form that can be used as a food source for more complex organisms, thus the beginning of an ecosystem. Life exists in all facets of earth. They exist in near boling temperatures in thermal vents. They exist is freezing temperatures such as in anctarctica. Life even prospers in places that don't have sunlight such as a caves and deep underwater environments.

If we are to choose among two assumptions: 1. We are alone 2. We are not alone. Why do we relegate the assumption that we are not alone as the most complicated of all explanations when trying to undertand a mystery?

Lacerta files spoke to me in more ways than in its entertaining value.

[mountain_jim]

A later thought about Lacerta - what if all this info was somewhat true, except that this reptilian group living in underground Earth is actually an ET reptilian group only claiming to have evolved on this planet. :typing:

[DNA]

A later thought about Lacerta - what if all this info was somewhat true, except that this reptilian group living in underground Earth is actually an ET reptilian group only claiming to have evolved on this planet. :typing:


I'm of the opinion that this is not a concerted effort or official message from the reptilian civilization, this appears to be the equivalent of a college student doing field work for her masters degree in sociology or anthropology and taking a moment to give the natives a rare explanation of what is going on and what has gone on for all the good it will do them.
I don't think there is an agenda in so far as providing misleading information, this is simply my own take here.


I'm of the opinion that spirit guides evolution to take various forms and for one reason or another it appears that humans and reptilians are fairly consistent as evolved vehicles for the spirit.

[Hazelfern]

I suggest looking at the eyes of anyone you engage with. If the eyes spin in any way, shape or form, get out. Whoever /whatever it is means > = nothing good. This is my opinion. GET OUT asap

[Tam]

I suggest looking at the eyes of anyone you engage with. If the eyes spin in any way, shape or form, get out. Whoever /whatever it is means > = nothing good. This is my opinion. GET OUT asap

Spin, how, exactly? How would this be indicative of one in disguise?

And why should one leave? While there are certainly nasty ones out there, why would spinning eyes instantlybe a red flag?

It is not my intention to be antagonistic, but merely to understand.

[triquetra]

Another option is to see into others, to learn how to disable the switch mentioned in the interview. Thanks for DNA to draw attention to it, as regardless of whether it is true, many points mentioned in it can be taken up individually for assessment of truthfulness.

Overall the interviewee paints a fairly deprecating impression of humanity, perhaps not undue. It is important to keep in mind that this condescending portrayal is not to do with the actual limits of human ability, only the conditioning or programming of the human mind. This does not mean this programming cannot be undone. There is much evidence that the programming can in fact be dismantled.

For example with the mimicry, it is not required to try and see the entire form of a non-human entity for what it really is. Only looking into the eyes is necessary with the constantly maintained affirmation and intention of desire to disable that switch. This is not possible if you are too afraid to unplug from the bliss-is-ignorance state, and that is meant at the subconscious level. It is not enough to want it only at the conscious level.

Not that the opportunity will come up often anyway, depending on what kind of a role you might be able to play in the grander scheme of things.

A more important alteration to the programming is what is mentioned with regards to manipulation of the mind when the human's eyes are closed (meaning asleep or nearly asleep). There are scientific reasons for this distinction having to do with brainwave frequency. The key bit of information is described around 1h37m in the video, suggesting that only an awakened mind has a chance to defend against this manipulation due to abruptly changing oscillation. After closing eyes, the brainwaves stabilize and move predictably through the lower portion of the circadian rhythm, making the mind an easy target.

Defense here requires more practice and specific training but it is in fact possible for humans to do so. Not only this, but it will be necessary for many humans to develop this capability to better prepare themselves for the uncertain future ahead.

Lastly the interviewee assures humans that no defense is possible against a more highly developed species, but this is also untrue. It is likely to be the case, but not an absolute. As DNA correctly identifies, the role here of the interviewee is not that of an expert with regards to what a human is or is not capable of, but only of what the average human appears to be capable of.

If there is any assurance provided by some additional information here, it is also the case that even those more advanced species are themselves studied in precisely the same way as we are, this pattern repeats itself indefinitely and not without purpose. Reality itself is designed for the sole purpose of intelligence studying other intelligence within a context of some kind. The study of a reality from outside of that reality is also highly similar.

All the additional millions of years of historical context, advanced technology, and so on and so forth, still cannot buy any life form some sort of ticket to a better mode of operation within a reality, nor an exit from it should they be dissatisfied with it in some way.

And sometimes, a seemingly much simpler life form than they can do what they could not, through pursuing nothing more complicated than a universal law of alignment. Just as we would be "too simple" to understand ever so many things as described regardless in order to "study our reaction", they could just as easily overlook the key by being too caught up in rigid modes of intellectual self-confinement.

At any rate, the most miraculous possibilities ahead will come with inter-species cooperation and the setting aside of the terribly overplayed roles of the scientists studying the lesser life forms. It really is getting old to twist the natural modes of reality into such lowly vibrating and dissonant patterns of vibration and miss the whole point of things all the while. Read between the words and see the point of the message.

[Hazelfern]

I suggest looking at the eyes of anyone you engage with. If the eyes spin in any way, shape or form, get out. Whoever /whatever it is means > = nothing good. This is my opinion. GET OUT asap

Spin, how, exactly? How would this be indicative of one in disguise?

And why should one leave? While there are certainly nasty ones out there, why would spinning eyes instantlybe a red flag?

It is not my intention to be antagonistic, but merely to understand.

My comment is based on a personal experience which has nothing to do with your thread I suppose.
Spinning eyes do not point to reptilian but uncontrolled rage burning within the observed people.
I felt my life to be in danger so I left.

[DNA]

Another option is to see into others, to learn how to disable the switch mentioned in the interview. Thanks for DNA to draw attention to it, as regardless of whether it is true, many points mentioned in it can be taken up individually for assessment of truthfulness.
This switch, this handle that humans have had built into their mind for easy telepathic manipulation is something I have wanted to elaborate on for a long time, but folks for the most part either don't get it or don't want to get it.


Ingo Swann in his book "Penetration" made it very clear that mankind is at a distinct disadvantage to ET's because ETs not only have telepathy but telepathy plus.
Telepathy being the ability of an ET to read your mind, telepathy plus being the ability of an ET to insert thoughts, images and feelings into your mind.


This single topic can cross over into say Sasquatch research.
My uncle had a Sasquatch sighting, up close and personal. The Sasquatch screamed at him from about 20 feet away.
My uncle went into a fugue state, a state which has bothered him his entire life when reflecting on the situation.
I've been of the opinion ever since I was 12 that Sasquatch had some kind of psychic power.
This is one of the reasons the Lacerta interview appealed to me so much, it answered a lot of questions that were already in my mind.
I'm of the opinion that Sasquatch is capable of influencing this same lever.
Folks may look as Sasquatch as being archaic but I very much believe that Sasquatch may be more advanced than mankind as a whole due to mankind's genetic degradation which was purposefully applied by said Elohim/Annunaki.





Overall the interviewee paints a fairly deprecating impression of humanity, perhaps not undue. It is important to keep in mind that this condescending portrayal is not to do with the actual limits of human ability, only the conditioning or programming of the human mind. This does not mean this programming cannot be undone. There is much evidence that the programming can in fact be dismantled.


I believe there have been methods found through the CIA MKULTRA techniques. I do not agree with these methods one bit.
I do not understand how massive trauma and abuse can open psychic pathways normally unaccessible.
But if we are to believe Cathy O'Brien, Bryce Tayler and especially the writings of Sue Arrigo which Herve has catalogued here http://avalonlibrary.net/Sue_Arrigo/ then it appears certain doors to open if enough destruction is applied to the human being/victim.



And sometimes, a seemingly much simpler life form than they can do what they could not, through pursuing nothing more complicated than a universal law of alignment. Just as we would be "too simple" to understand ever so many things as described regardless in order to "study our reaction", they could just as easily overlook the key by being too caught up in rigid modes of intellectual self-confinement.



Agreed, case in point with Sasquatch.

[mojo]

Hi all, wanted to bring up an important distinction. People sometimes confuse the Mantis as an reptilian type and they are completely different imo. Personally observed the mantis type and although he showed no emotion it did not intimidate or react in a negative way in fact it illuminated the cabin area enough for me to see him. This is best image that is similar to look that was observed that evening.

[Hazelfern]

Just look at our society ! They want to talk about satanic rituals and stuff well everything in life is basically a ritual here when it comes to blood sacrifices look to the slaughter houses, that’s one of the biggest blood sacrifices that people participate in daily.

Exactly! This is the only thing that ever rang true with me regarding 'killing and then eating'
There is a long lost interview with Leo Sprinkle, his last words in the interview were to the effect;
'I do not truly know what is going on, but it is no different than how we treat the creatures of this earth'
If we stop consuming creatures then maybe humans will rise above'

I am paraphrasing, it's been years since I heard Leo but it's not that hard to figure out.

It's so simple, why didn't I get this 30 years ago?

[Tam]

I suggest looking at the eyes of anyone you engage with. If the eyes spin in any way, shape or form, get out. Whoever /whatever it is means > = nothing good. This is my opinion. GET OUT asap

Spin, how, exactly? How would this be indicative of one in disguise?

And why should one leave? While there are certainly nasty ones out there, why would spinning eyes instantlybe a red flag?

It is not my intention to be antagonistic, but merely to understand.

My comment is based on a personal experience which has nothing to do with your thread I suppose.
Spinning eyes do not point to reptilian but uncontrolled rage burning within the observed people.
I felt my life to be in danger so I left.

Ah, I see. Unrelated, as in nothing to do with Reptilians, and rather, a normal person (or a different being masked as/inside of a human)? And when you say spinning, how do you mean it?

[Hazelfern]

I literally mean the eyes were spinning in their sockets. I encountered the such said thing only twice in my life.
Both women, enraged for no reason and dreadful to deal with.
(or a different being masked as/inside of a human)?

Yes, that is my take on it and it is not pleasant being.

[SoulValor]

How interesting. I have been told by an alleged psychic that one of my spirit guides is a Reptilian. Now, she could have been all manner of illegitimate, but she did get some things right that make me think she's at least clairvoyant to an extent.

Hello Tam :),
whenever somebody tells someone that this or that is their spirit guide alarm bells should go off. Because think about it...
a) how do they really know?
b) why is up to THEM to tell you? What could be their motive in telling you that?
c) what would usually follow next? You will become curious about him/her/it, maybe even spirit guides in general (if you weren't familiar with the concept before) and maybe even try to get in contact/communication with them, right? Then you may let them give you advice/information/etc, possibly even let them guide your life...
Well, can you see any red flags here?


Of course, we all need to be mindful of deception, but that can be said for virtually every encounter with a non-human sentient being.

Exactly! So let me ask you this - since you started this thread 7 years ago.
Have you ever followed up on this psychic's telling? Did you try to get in contact with this Reptilian (via meditation for instance)?
To be honest with you, I hope you didn't. Because that's an easy way for an entity to attach to a human. And that by permission!

I always tell people that the only professional way to lead someone to their spirit guides is to encourage them to seek them out/find them by themselves - and only by themselves! Some tips or guidance may be offered as to how to do that but even that can be iffy and "thin ice". A lot should really be left to the seeker :sherlock: and any good psychic/spiritualist/whatever - that has your best interest in mind - will tell you that you should put up basic protection first! Because you never know who or what you will run into otherwise and "offer" themselves to you. But how many give that basic and sensible advice?


Supposedly, mine is a warrior, with swords and the whole shabang. I have never heard nor seen him, but for some reason, I keep getting the image that he wears blue. Maybe that's him talking, but I don't think so. According to the woman that told me about him, he's very tall, muscular, has a face that resembles a Komodo dragon, and has a loud, deep, rumbling voice.

Again, red flag!
a) How would they already know all these details about your supposed spirit guide? Doesn't it sound like they are in touch with that entity themselves and want you to become their next or additional host?
b) See how the psychic was already planting an image in your head and you went with it?
c) Notice how alluring and impressive that image was? Warrior, tall, muscular,etc. It really is the same old same old schtick! Of course it also works the other way around, beautiful, long hair, magical abilities etc. ;) However, most times spirit guides are usually animals (animal totem) and they can be projected in a very attractive/alluring way too. They may be indeed like that or it could be a ruse. ;)


I would probably s**t myself if he just randomly popped up in my apartment without warning, but somehow, this image she gave me of him doesn't frighten me at all.

Of course not, because it wasn't meant to frighten you. Obviously that wouldn't work to attract you to him, would it. ;)


That being said, I've gotten zero communication from him as far as I am concerned, but it could just be that I'm dense and haven't noticed. I haven't been meditating like I was instructed/nudged to, though, so that's likely why.

See? You were instructed/nudged to.! This confirms what I said above. People should only be nudged so far as to "how can I get in touch with my spirit guides?".


I hope I'm not pissing him off, lol.

Any "spirit guide" that gets pissed about not getting (enough) attention or not being followed or called upon or whatever most likely has not your best interest at heart!!

Btw, is the fact that this psychic tried to convince you of this spirit guide (I would call this an attempt to attach/assign that entity to you) the main reason why you started this thread in terms of "not all reptilians are evil, right"? It's like you wanted to get assurance now that it would be ok to "accept" this supposed spirit guide. Interesting, eh?

Either way, I'm glad that you didn't immediately and blindly accept what that psychic told you - and I hope you haven't until this day. (?)

Last but not least, while we're on the subject - a spirit guide is only good/real if they encourage/lead you to self-reliance and independence and not make you dependent on or addicted to them. Or demand things of you, especially things like offerings/gifts/rituals etc.

[Tam]

Hello Tam :),
whenever somebody tells someone that this or that is their spirit guide alarm bells should go off. Because think about it...
a) how do they really know?
b) why is up to THEM to tell you? What could be their motive in telling you that?
c) what would usually follow next? You will become curious about him/her/it, maybe even spirit guides in general (if you weren't familiar with the concept before) and maybe even try to get in contact/communication with them, right? Then you may let them give you advice/information/etc, possibly even let them guide your life...
Well, can you see any red flags here?

Have you ever followed up on this psychic's telling? Did you try to get in contact with this Reptilian (via meditation for instance)?

To be honest with you, I hope you didn't. Because that's an easy way for an entity to attach to a human. And that by permission!

I always tell people that the only professional way to lead someone to their spirit guides is to encourage them to seek them out/find them by themselves - and only by themselves! Some tips or guidance may be offered as to how to do that but even that can be iffy and "thin ice". A lot should really be left to the seeker :sherlock: and any good psychic/spiritualist/whatever - that has your best interest in mind - will tell you that you should put up basic protection first! Because you never know who or what you will run into otherwise and "offer" themselves to you. But how many give that basic and sensible advice?

Again, red flag!
a) How would they already know all these details about your supposed spirit guide? Doesn't it sound like they are in touch with that entity themselves and want you to become their next or additional host?
b) See how the psychic was already planting an image in your head and you went with it?
c) Notice how alluring and impressive that image was? Warrior, tall, muscular,etc. It really is the same old same old schtick! Of course it also works the other way around, beautiful, long hair, magical abilities etc. ;) However, most times spirit guides are usually animals (animal totem) and they can be projected in a very attractive/alluring way too. They may be indeed like that or it could be a ruse. ;)

See? You were instructed/nudged to.! This confirms what I said above. People should only be nudged so far as to "how can I get in touch with my spirit guides?".

Any "spirit guide" that gets pissed about not getting (enough) attention or not being followed or called upon or whatever most likely has not your best interest at heart!!

Btw, is the fact that this psychic tried to convince you of this spirit guide (I would call this an attempt to attach/assign that entity to you) the main reason why you started this thread in terms of "not all reptilians are evil, right"? It's like you wanted to get assurance now that it would be ok to "accept" this supposed spirit guide. Interesting, eh?

Either way, I'm glad that you didn't immediately and blindly accept what that psychic told you - and I hope you haven't until this day. (?)

Last but not least, while we're on the subject - a spirit guide is only good/real if they encourage/lead you to self-reliance and independence and not make you dependent on or addicted to them. Or demand things of you, especially things like offerings/gifts/rituals etc.




Hello, and thanks for the follow up! Apologies for the late response, I don't come to this forum as often as I want to.

I'm happy to answer all of your questions. I've "clipped" all of them in this reply, both for posterity but also to keep track of them :)

To answer the core of your question: no.

At least, mostly.

I didn't follow up with this in a focused, conscious, explicit way, such as sitting down in the lotus position, stilling my mind, and reaching out to this specific entity until I got a response.

But I think even a question can be an invitation, a connection. The incident remained in my mind for years, and the curiosity along with it.

I found myself regularly wondering if it was still around, if it was protector or a foe, if it even existed at all, what its relation was to me, etc.

Occasionally, only a few times, I would have perhaps sent a sort of mental "nudge" in its direction, asking for a sign (silly and dangerous, yes) if it was still there.

I never noticed any undeniable, obvious responses.

But that space it took up in my consciousness...who knows. I could have opened a door, or inadvertently invited something into my life.


I will say this, though.

Interestingly, I actually haven't thought of this event or this entity for a little while now (perhaps a year or two?), but never really noticed. In fact, I almost forgot it ever happened in the first place.
Which is funny, since it was always in the back of my mind, for most of the past 7 years.

And then...poof. Dissolved. Gone. Without me having ever really noticed.

I think that in itself, perhaps, tells you all you need to know.

But since we're here, and since you were curious, I'm happy to discuss this again, for anyone else reading this thread now or in the future, as well as for myself.

I'll do that in my next post.

[Tam]

I suppose I'll start back at the beginning. You brought up a lot of really good questions about the psychic herself, but I don't believe she was outright malicious in her intent. I could of course be wrong. I've long suspected that darkness can mask as light very convincingly.

But back to the event.

In 2017, I was 21 years old. A child, really.

I remember the day well. It was early evening, at a sort of beer garden that regularly hosted community events. This one in particular was an outdoor pop-up market, where local people of self-described "witchy" persuasion could hawk their hand-made wares and services.

My mother, a reductive materialist atheist, had 0 interest in that sort of thing, but she did make interesting jewelry, and figured it would be a good market to sell it.

She asked me if I wanted to help her, and so I did.

We had finished setting up her table, but the event had yet to formally start, so I figured I'd walk around and see what others were selling.

One older woman was selling homemade candles, spell jars, and foraged items like animal bones, porcupine quills, stones, herbs, that sort of thing. I remember idly inspecting one of the quills specifically when she sort of suddenly asked me if I wanted a tarot reading.

I flatly but politely told her I had no money, but she said not to worry about it, she'd do it for free.

Now, that could be a green or a red flag, depending on your perspective, but I was bored and curious, so I agreed.

She did a long and elaborate spread (12 cards, if memory serves), whose details I can't remember exactly, but I do remember she was quite on-the-nose with very specific details about my life at the time, which impressed me. She wasn't giving me vague, general information like so many "psychics"

Energetically, I remember picking up a slightly darker vibe from her, but nothing outright dangerous, at least not to 21-year-old me.

She was still giving me a reading when, mid-sentence, she paused, and her eyes sort of got clouded like she was focusing elsewhere, and she then announced that "somebody" wanted to talk to me, and had an urgent message.

Suspicious, but curious, I asked who it was, and that was where I learned what a spirit guide was (I had never heard of the term until that day), that I had several, but this one in particular was adamant that he wanted her to send me a message.

She stated that initially she tried to ignored him, telling him (telepathically, I'm assuming) that it wasn't her business, but she said he was very insistent. I remember she almost looked...intimidated? But not so much in a fearful way, but rather respect.

She said he was quite blunt, and imposing. He sent her an image of me laying in bed, buried under my blankets, blinds drawn.

At the time (and to this day), I was struggling with depression, but you wouldn't really know it on a surface level at the time, since I have a sort of sunny disposition.

The years have worn me down, and now there is no question when looking at me that I am in a rough spot, but I remember back then people regularly making comments about my upbeat, relaxed attitude, good humor, etc.

I mention this because it caught me by surprise that she/it picked up on the depression.

But perhaps that's how predators work. And perhaps it was natural airiness of myself at the time that drew the entity in. I couldn't say exactly.

I do remember the message, though. Apparently, he was firmly but lovingly telling her to tell me to essentially snap out of it, and meditate. That I was wasting potential by rotting away in the dark, doing nothing, stewing in a lower energy.

On the surface, a positive message.

But I think it may have been insidious, both for the reasons you outlined (the "cool factor"/appeal of what's basically a dragon samurai, paternal figure), as well as for the second aspect of her message.

Which was that I had a very strong soul (whatever that means), that I had latent gifts I needed to cultivate, and that he was basically assigned to guide me on that path, but first I would need to meditate, to focus, to break out of my rut.

Apparently he had been reaching out for some time, but I was simply not hearing it, so he seized the opportunity when I was face-to-face with a medium, and basically demanded to be put on the phone, as it were.

Thinking back on it again, I actually suddenly remembered another thing that I believe to be another red flag.

After the reading, the medium pointed to the The Empress card in the spread on the table, and told me that if I went down the spiritual/magick path, that I would come into myself and be elevated to a status of royalty/Queendom by the raw potency of whatever was latent within me.

Fortunately, even at 21, I thought that was a bit much, and was immediately annoyed at the attempt at flattery.

But it's clear to me, more than anything, that this is the biggest red flag of all.

It's just too seductive. Too sycophantic.

It reminds me of contactees and popular figureheads in UFOlogy like Elena Danaan, Emery Smith, etc.

They're always the Chosen One. Special.

Perhaps whatever force is behind these people and their delusions of grandeur, was preying on me.

Part of me always thought the whole thing was a little too perfect. But honestly, the main reason why I, at the time, never really followed up with this entity in a long-term, regular way was mainly because of the depression and a general inability to focus (I have pretty severe ADHD).

In any case, I'm glad you brought this back up, because analyzing it again now, 7 years later, it's crystal clear to me that this isn't a path I'd want to follow, and I can put this particular incident to bed for good.

And to anyone reading this, who has had or is going through something similar, I leave you with this:

Ask yourself honestly:

What are your vulnerabilities? What is whatever you're in contact with trying to appeal to? What does it have to gain? What do you lose?

I'm not saying every spirit that approaches you or every reptilian (if they exist) is evil.

But always keep a level head. And understand that there is so much more that we do not know, than we do.

[peace]

an answer to your original post: I have yet to have a "positive" interaction with any of the unseen or hidden "beings" in our midst, save one. And that experience was still quite bad, but there was an element of good and/or protection.

i honestly chalk it up to not being able to handle most of it and its just all too scary to deal with for me personally.

i think its a bit darker and dangerous and again, personally, think it has to do with me, not necessarily, "them."

haven't had any experiences in some time and i don't really fear it, just find myself a bit of a scared animal when i find myself in them.

i do ask for these experiences, by the way. just trying to increase my fear tolerance, I guess you could say.

[Flash]

an answer to your original post: I have yet to have a "positive" interaction with any of the unseen or hidden "beings" in our midst, save one. And that experience was still quite bad, but there was an element of good and/or protection.

i honestly chalk it up to not being able to handle most of it and its just all too scary to deal with for me personally.

i think its a bit darker and dangerous and again, personally, think it has to do with me, not necessarily, "them."

haven't had any experiences in some time and i don't really fear it, just find myself a bit of a scared animal when i find myself in them.

i do ask for these experiences, by the way. just trying to increase my fear tolerance, I guess you could say.

Peace, any true higher beings that are, by definition, loving would manage not to make a human being feel uncomfortable or scared. If you were feeling bad in any way, you were not in the presence of higher-evolved beings. But rather in the presence of 'fallen' ones.

My very strong opinion here is that any bad experience with me is always analyzed as bad behavior, be it from humans or others. Higher beings are loving and protective of all of us. In the case of humans, I posit they are in evolution, in the case of more powerful beings, I posit they are the fallen ones.

[peace]

the encounter i had with "positive" or "good" beings was smack in the middle of an encounter with a very real, up-close, negative being that, basically, wanted me dead and was laughing about it while inches away from me. the positive folks that showed up were all hooded, wore robes, I guess you could say and had their hands in a prayer like fashion. i could hear nothing but felt total elation. i passed out (i'm guessing) had an incredibly real and vibrant dream where I flew. woke up the next morning and promptly forgot about the entire experience until later that day. the way dreams come back sometimes.

i took the positives out of it, but the negative can still bother when I think about it. happened circa 1999-2000 when I was 19 or so.

there is a very large part of me that thinks it was a test, and I failed that test, needing assistance. kind of a "you're not ready for what you're asking for/seeking."

just my thoughts though. who knows.