Mass shooting in Texas Church, 26 dead

[KiwiElf]

Multiple people dead in Texas church shooting: report
By Brett Samuels - 11/05/17 02:06 PM EST

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/358860-multiple-people-dead-in-church-shooting-in-texas-report

Shooting at First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas


A man who opened fire in a church on Sunday in Sutherland Springs, Texas, is dead, leaving behind multiple victims, police told local news station KSAT.

Police have not said how many victims there were, according to KSAT. A witness reported seeing a man walk into First Baptist Church and start shooting around 11:30 a.m.

The church is located about 40 miles east of San Antonio.

This is a developing story. Please check back for updates.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/several-casualties-reported-texas-church-shooting-n817751

[Cidersomerset]

RAW : Wilson County Commissioner Albert Gamez, Jr. says 27 dead ? 24 injured ?
this seems high but he has said this in a couple early interviews below , he said
he was outside the church waiting for official confirmation , so it seems odd to
say such high figures just guessing.

Edit...The BBC has just changed its headline to .......

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At least 27 dead in Texas church shooting

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41880511

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CBS News/ November 5, 2017, 1:44 PM

Report: Sheriff says multiple dead in shooting at church in Sutherland Springs, Texas

Multiple witnesses told CBS affiliate KENS that several people were shot at First
Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs.

live feed on link...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sutherland-springs-texas-witnesses-say-several-people-shot-at-church/

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'Mass shooting' reported at small town church in Texas
12 minutes ago
From the section US & Canada

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A gunman opened fire at a church in Texas during Sunday services, resulting in
multiple reported casualties.The attack happened at the First Baptist Church in
Sutherland Springs in Wilson County.Local ABC affiliate KSAT 12 reported the
gunman entered the church at around 11:30 local time and began shooting.

Police told the outlet there were "multiple victims" and the gunman had been killed
in the aftermath. The number of casualties is not yet clear.Photos and video from
the scene showed the area taped off by local law enforcement.A number of
helicopters have arrived to transport the wounded, KSAT 12 reporter Max Massey
said.Agents from the FBI have also arrived on the scene.


read more.....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41880511

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Reports of a shooting at a Texas church

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFitBvhEOh4
Published on 5 Nov 2017
There have been reports of a shooting at a church in Sutherland Springs, Texas.
The local hospital has confirmed it has received multiple victims and the shooter is
down. CBSN's Elaine Quijano reports.

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Multiple dead in Texas church shooting (CNN breaking news)

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Published on 5 Nov 2017
Wilson County Commissioner Albert Gamez, Jr. says multiple people are dead
following a shooting at the First Baptist church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, just
outside San Antonio.
Video footage from KABB - http://foxsanantonio.com/

[Cidersomerset]

Texas Church Shooting: At least 27 dead - BBC News

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Published on 5 Nov 2017
At least 27 people have died after a gunman opened fire at a church in Texas during Sunday services.
The attack happened at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs in Wilson County.
A police commissioner at the scene confirmed that at least 27 people had died. Several others are reported to be injured.
The San Antonio FBI branch said its agents had been deployed, and there was no indication of the gunman's motive.
The FBI also said that while only one shooter was reported, it was looking into other possibilities.


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Breaking: Attack at Texas Church / 5 Nov 2017 / #Texas

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Published on 5 Nov 2017
SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, Texas

[Satori]

Absolutely insane

[Harley]

Here is a Live Stream


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bRcRHIma9U

[KiwiElf]

Tragically real (and another distraction...)

[Harley]

(and another distraction...)

Possibly, but too early to say.

Wait until we hear who was there.

[Cidersomerset]

Tragically real (and another distraction...)

I was listening to one of the Clinton vids after Donna Brazils rigging
the primary claim and they were saying she needs another distraction
to get her off the headlines. This seems like a local incident but guns
will be back in the headline and Hillary will get another pass probably.

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The casualty figures have not been officially confirmed yet ....



Special Report: Texas Church Shooting Leaves Multiple Dead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL1iPn76bTY

Streamed live 23 minutes ago
A shooter has opened fire First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas. At
least 15 people are injured and multiple are reported dead.
» Subscribe to NBC News: http://nbcnews.to/SubscribeToNBC

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FBI responding to shooting at Texas church

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_oBofCIGxM
Published on 5 Nov 2017
The FBI is responding to a shooting at a church in Sutherland Springs, Texas.
Multiple people are thought to be dead and the Sheriff has said the gunman is
down. CBSN Security Analyst Paul Viollis and Senior Producer of the CBS News
Investigative Unit Pat Milton join CBSN with the latest.

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Texas church shooting leaves many dead - BBC News

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Published on 5 Nov 2017
At least 27 people have died after a gunman opened fire at a church in Texas
during Sunday services, police say.The attack happened at the First Baptist Church
in Sutherland Springs in Wilson County.

Police official Albert Gamez Jr confirmed the number of fatalities to CBS News.
The gunman, who is reported to have been killed in the aftermath, entered the
church and opened fire at around 11:30 local time (17:30 GMT).

"The details are kind of sketchy but what I know right now, what they're telling me,
like 27 deceased and over 20, 25 injured," Mr Gomez Jr said.
"They're talking about the shooter is dead also," he added.

One witness, Carrie Matula, told NBC News: "We heard semi-automatic gunfire…
we're only about 50 yards away from this church."

President Trump, on a tour of Asia, tweeted: "May God be with the people of
Sutherland Springs, Texas. The FBI and law enforcement are on the scene. I am
monitoring the situation from Japan."

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Sutherland Springs is a small town with just a few hundred residents, which lies
about 50km (30 miles) southeast of the city of San Antonio.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41880511

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Multiple fatalities in Texas church shooting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBl_N4du4Tc

Published on 5 Nov 2017
Multiple people have been killed and others injured in a shooting Sunday at a
church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, authorities said. The shooter was killed after a
brief chase north into neighboring Guadalupe County, according Guadalupe County
Sheriff's Office spokesman Robert Murphy. It is unclear if the shooter was killed by
police or took his own life, Murphy said.

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Families gather at community center after church shooting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDO5EATeBIU
Published on 5 Nov 2017..Fox
Bryan Llenas shares latest details on multiple casualty situation in Texas.

[Satori]

From which state does the Bush crime family harken and lay claim? Correct, Texas. The Bush/Clinton crime syndicate works in tandem. If, nay when, [K]illary goes down, the Bushes are not too far behind--one hopes.

[ThePythonicCow]

If, nay when, [K]illary goes down, the Bushes are not too far behind--one hopes.

Being a former President seems to offer one an additional layer of "protection". That would protect Bill Clinton, and the two Bushes.

[Helene West]

the elites have been sensing the optimism in the alt community to possibility of the demise of the clinton crime network and so they've said, "Oh yeah? Take this!". This can also be coming from the muslim terror cells connected to what the Abel Danger guys warn about with the company Serco, giving them cover through various licensing to open small businesses hiding their cells. It would really help the muslim cells as well as the deep state for americans to be made vulnerable by curtailing the 2nd amendment.

They want us on the defensive, worried about the 2nd amendment, depressed about our fellow americans, instead of on the offensive, demanding indictments of the players in the globalist network.

[ghostrider]

Next comes the ole let's make more gun laws montra ... As if crazy people will obey laws ...I feel bad for families who have to endure such senseless acts ...

[Cidersomerset]

Still no press conference though the BBC have changed the casualty
headline a bit.....


More than 20 people have been killed after a gunman opened
fire at a church during Sunday services, police say.

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Sutherland Springs: Texas church shooting leaves many dead

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41880511

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At Least 25 People Killed in the Deadliest Shooting in a Place of Worship | NBC News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYFsprMpW6A
Published on 5 Nov 2017...NBC
At least two dozen parishioners were killed when a gunman opened fire at a church
in Sutherland Springs, Texas. The shooter is also dead. Victims are being treated at
nearby hospitals.

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Texas attorney general discusses church shooting

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Published on 5 Nov 2017...Fox
Ken Paxton shares an update on the situation in Texas after mass shooting at church.

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Mass shooting at church in Texas: Special report

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHfDHlQtFGE

Published on 5 Nov 2017...ABC
At least 20 plus dead and more than two dozen injured in Texas church shooting.

[Helene West]

Next comes the ole let's make more gun laws montra ... As if crazy people will obey laws ...I feel bad for families who have to endure such senseless acts ...

there's no bloody crazy people...it's planned massacres

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Makes me want to leave this planet.

[KiwiElf]

Shooter has been identified as Devin Kelley. I'm sorry to report the death toll has now risen to 26, victims aged between 5 - 72 years old.

[Cidersomerset]

Owen Shroyer live info wars said there were casualties outside the church. A
neighbour engaged and possibly shot the shooter before he fled the scene.
So a gun owner possibly prevented more carnage ?


I don't know if these links are working on u'tube yet ? they are not working
on my computer . Sometimes they take a little while to transfer from live
broadcast to u'tube I have found. Or its just my computer...:idea:


Info wars
Breaking: Shooting In Texas Church, At Least 20+ Dead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWBnDuneyms
Streamed live 32 minutes ago

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K1qjN72OuI

Streamed live 52 minutes ago
Rob Dew Reporting Live at the Sutherland Springs Community Center. We await
new information pertaining to the tragic Texas shooting

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Gov. Greg Abbott: 26 lives lost in church shooting

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Published on 5 Nov 2017
Texas governor shares information after the largest shooting in the state's history.

[raregem]

The posts here seem to think this is another planned, political staged event.
I want to learn more about the gunman's background in the Air Force. San Antonio has military bases still open. My thinking is the gunman, Devin Patrick Kelley "snapped". I just do not know. The media is using 3 names once again for a killer. That may be some clue..maybe not??
I am heart broken. Kelley was also supposedly a Bible school teacher at some point after his military career completed in 2013. These bits are from the internet. No proof.

[Helene West]

I'm just waiting for the mug shots. If he's white it's a continuation of the crazy angry white male with guns narrative.
No deep state, no muslim terror cells, no ruling class that wants a powerless underclass, only crazy white men who are the enemy of society

[Molly4US]

Next comes the ole let's make more gun laws montra ... As if crazy people will obey laws ...I feel bad for families who have to endure such senseless acts ...

there's no bloody crazy people...it's planned massacres

To plan a massacre of innocent people during church IS crazy. Quite frankly, most of the comments on this thread are grotesque.

[Helene West]

Next comes the ole let's make more gun laws montra ... As if crazy people will obey laws ...I feel bad for families who have to endure such senseless acts ...

there's no bloody crazy people...it's planned massacres

To plan a massacre of innocent people during church IS crazy. Quite frankly, most of the comments on this thread are grotesque.

People here have heavy hearts aside from being angry. In what respect are the comments here grotesque?
.

[Bill Ryan]

there's no bloody crazy people...it's planned massacres

Sadly, it's reasonable to assume there's no coincidence this happened the day after this... —>

(... a combination of planning and craziness)

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0mfPhnd0qfU/WddYI2EwAZI/AAAAAAACoZ8/DzSlpCbO-FwQapP6wihJLTbU3O9GY6kWgCLcBGAs/s1600/maxresdefault.jpg

[Wind]

Guns don't kill people, people do... But it sure is easier with guns. That being said I'm not any gun ban advocate, that's just an observation for your consideration.

I wouldn't be surprised if this was some kind of an "operation". There won't be an end to these kind of things in the near future so get used to them.

Perhaps a certain kind of narrative is being pushed again.

[turiya]

I'm just waiting for the mug shots. If he's white it's a continuation of the crazy angry white male with guns narrative.
No deep state, no muslim terror cells, no ruling class that wants a powerless underclass, only crazy white men who are the enemy of society





Chances are that, more than likely, he simply fell off his meds - antidepressant medication, that is. SSRIstories.com (https://ssristories.org/) will show, together with the image of what this guy looked like, clearly the meds are quite well known for affecting the minds of younger people - causing a meltdown. Resulting in either taking the lives of others and/or in taking the life of oneself. Its too bad, but if this guy had one ounce of courage, he should have started by shooting himself first.



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26-year-old Devin Patrick Kelley

[raregem]

I wouldn't be surprised if this was some kind of an "operation". There won't be an end to these kind of things in the near future so get used to them.

No Thanks...I refuse to get used to any kind of violence... especially innocent people.

I doubt Texans are going to go easy giving up their guns or protecting their loved ones either.

Re: Bill's post the day after ANTIFA.....that crossed my mind, too. Also, November 5 is Guy Fawkes day. More pieces to think about in the grand scheme.

[Helene West]

I figured this. Doesn't matter if he was on meds, angry because unemployed, connections to FBI, his lover left him or whatever, they want to associate mass killings with white men for the purpose of taking the 2nd amendment.

But then they have the parallel narrative with muslim terrorists going on a la the nyc bike path killer for the purposes of rationalizing destroying the mideast but they have to be careful with that narrative because that could cause americans to unite with eachother. Can't have that. So no sooner were some americans getting interested in the exploring the muslim terror cells within our country that the deep state balances that with a reminder that -besides muslim terrorists don't forget we have the domestic terrorists of white men. They're equally bad!!! lol

It's all getting too much for the average person to handle. We have a media that has barely touched the donna brazile or steele dossier issues but of course they will be blasting away on this shooting. They couldn't get away with this degree of propaganda if most humans didn't want the escape of easy answers. I can understand folks wanting to escape anxiety and giving in to the propaganda of cnn et al but it's still hard to forgive the mentally lazy.

[Bill Ryan]

We have a media that has barely touched the donna brazile or steele dossier issues...

...or that Hitler was alive in Argentina at least as late as 1955, and that JFK was shot from the Grassy Knoll and from the overpass.

It's completely staggering (and completely worrying!) how real information as historically important as that can be brushed aside.

[KiwiElf]

I'm inclined to agree with Bill, sadly this has ANTIFA written all over it and we were warned it was coming (with possibly more to come) - Maybe INFOWARS gets it right with this video (Facebook)

http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=88519

Texas Church Massacre: Who really did it and why?
Posted on November 5, 2017 by State of the Nation


MASS SHOOTING IN THE HEART OF TRUMP COUNTRY ON ANTIFA’S ‘REGIME CHANGE’ WEEKEND


Another Brutal Massacre Carried Out In Texas Against Christian Patriots

State of the Nation

It’s no surprise that such an event took place on this long anticipated weekend. That this senseless slaughter occurred in Texas country is also not unexpected, unfortunately. Our sincere condolences go to the great people of the Lone Star State, and especially to those families affected by this terrible tragedy. 28 dead after shooting at Sutherland Springs church

AntiFa and their terrorist co-conspirators have made it clear that the hot phase of the Purple Revolution would commence this weekend.

Actually, the hot phase of their seditious rebellion began with the Mandalay Massacre in Las Vegas on another Sunday on October 1.

Did the perps intentionally choose the Lord’s Day to perpetrate these horrific mass casualty events?

Deadliest Church Shooting in American History Kills More Than 20 in Texas

If so, this can only be the product of a totally godless movement that is typical of communist revolutions. Russia was terrorized by the same tactics and strategy during the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917, exactly 100 years ago.
New World Order agenda

The globalists know that there is only one way to effectively take over any nation; and that is to terrorize the population with a steady stream of mass shootings, bombings, wildfires via arson, as well as other manmade disasters and fake natural catastrophes.


Full SOTN Report continues here:

http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=88501

...JOIN THE DOTS to the BIGGER PICTURE...

[Bill Ryan]

Re: Bill's post the day after ANTIFA.....that crossed my mind, too. Also, November 5 is Guy Fawkes day. More pieces to think about in the grand scheme.

The 4 November ANTIFA declaration was never intended to be just one day. It was to be the start of a campaign that'd be ongoing for as long as would be needed.

That all started with a very damp squib, but without any planning or organization, that exact anticlimax (triumphantly well publicized by Alex Jones and Infowars, just an hour and a half away in Austin) could have triggered Kelley to take action on his own.

[Cidersomerset]

Reports from Info wars suggest the suspect was shot with a shotgun by a neighbour
near the church and ran off the road trying to get away and died of his wounds..


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Texas Mass Shooter Was Court-Martialed Airman Who Liked Atheist FB Pages & SJW Causes

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Published on 5 Nov 2017

Infowars reporter Rob Dew discusses the latests revelations into Mass Murderer
Devin Patrick Kelly.

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Texas Mass Shooter Died Like A Dog In A Ditch

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Published on 5 Nov 2017
Infowars reporter Rob Dew travels to the final resting spot of the scumbag Devin
Kelly who is responsible for the largest mass shooting in Texas Help us spread the
word about the liberty movement, we're reaching millions help us reach millions
more. Share the free live video feed link with your friends & family: http://www.infowars.com/show

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Suspected Texas gunman identified as Devin Patrick Kelley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k23mnqkdKh0
Published on 5 Nov 2017
The suspect in Sunday morning's shooting at a Texas church has been identified as
Devin Patrick Kelley. He was killed after a car chase with police. Former Las Vegas
Police Lt. Randy Sutton joins CBSN with more.

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At least 26 dead in worst mass shooting in TX history

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wHuae4wlP8
Published on 5 Nov 2017...Fox.
Bryan Llenas reports

[Wind]

No Thanks...I refuse to get used to any kind of violence... especially innocent people.

Unfortunately the innocent ones often are targeted. It is sad to see these kind of things happening so often, but there is a pattern. Something has gone terribly wrong.

[Cidersomerset]

Short post as I have to leave for work a few headlines this morning from this
tragic event.....


HERO Johnnie Langendorff Fires Back at Sutherland Springs Shooter!
Led police to shooter.

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Published on 5 Nov 2017

Hero Johnnie Langendorf passed the Sutherland Springs Church Shooting
shot at the shooter with his rifle, and then when the shooter started running
away Johnnie Langendorff chased!

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Witness To Texas Shooter Speaks Out

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5I1tVZkop4
Published on 5 Nov 2017

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Full Press Conference: Sutherland Springs church shooting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBJVBe8ac5s

Published on 5 Nov 2017
The full press conference in which Gov. Greg Abbott and Wilson County officials
provide updates on the church shooting that happened in Sutherland Springs.

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Texas Mass Shooting Press Conference With Gov. Greg Abbot
24 shot in church 2 outside 1 died on the way to hospital.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dfdO9CdSNI
Published on 5 Nov 2017..inf wars

[Bill Ryan]

rwYd2kIZxk4Hero Johnnie Langendorff passed the Sutherland Springs Church Shooting, shot at the shooter with his rifle, and then when the shooter started running away Johnnie Langendorff chased...



Ha. Well, that's definitely going to confound the gun control lobby somewhat. :)

(Note: as best I can understand, it wasn't Langendorff who shot the shooter, but the other guy who accompanied him in the vehicle chase. Makes no difference, of course: it was a citizen with a firearm that brought Kelley to what could be called justice.)

[Harley]

Interesting comment from "Q" (the insider who's been dumping data on 4chan (https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/147992733#p147997636)) that I just posted tonight in the thread A “Very Bad Day” Scenario: DoD exercises 4-6 November (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-A---Very-Bad-Day---Scenario-DoD-exercises-4-6-November&p=1189224&viewfull=1#post1189224):

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Thu 02 Nov 2017

Be vigilant today and expect a major false flag.

Does anyone find it to be a coincidence there is always a terrorist attack when bad news breaks for the D's?

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I don't want to say Get Used To It either.

But I do want to say Be Prepared For More.

[Nick Matkin]

https://www.snopes.com/texas-church-shooter-antifa/

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

(Note: as best I can understand, it wasn't Langendorff who shot the shooter, but the other guy who accompanied him in the vehicle chase. Makes no difference, of course: it was a citizen with a firearm that brought Kelley to what could be called justice.)[/I]

Yes if this was a staged event to ramp up pressure on gun control, it becomes a real problem when the attack was ended by a private citizen with a privately owned gun. Talk about a back fire. If anything it reinforces the very spirit of the 2nd amendment.

[Cidersomerset]

Ha. Well, that's definitely going to confound the gun control lobby somewhat.

(Note: as best I can understand, it wasn't Langendorff who shot the shooter, but the
other guy who accompanied him in the vehicle chase. Makes no difference, of course:
it was a citizen with a firearm that brought Kelley to what could be called justice.)


Yeah he was the driver ,the neighbour with the shotgun who shot Devin Patrick Kelley ,
has not been named yet as far as I know...Its explained better here..


Johnnie Langendorff helps chase down church gunman

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Published on 6 Nov 2017


Good Samaritan recounts encounter with suspected killer.

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WATCH The Heroic neighbor with a gun fired at and wounded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4DSCci4oLA
Published on 5 Nov 2017

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Hero describes chasing alleged Texas church shooter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92zjcKmisdk

Published on 6 Nov 2017
Johnnie Langendorff tells "GMA" how he helped stop the suspect, Devin Kelley, who
authorities believe killed 26 people and injured at least 20 at the First Baptist
Church in Sutherland Springs.

[Dennis Leahy]

the elites have been sensing the optimism in the alt community to possibility of the demise of the clinton crime network and so they've said, "Oh yeah? Take this!". This can also be coming from the muslim terror cells connected to what the Abel Danger guys warn about with the company Serco, giving them cover through various licensing to open small businesses hiding their cells. It would really help the muslim cells as well as the deep state for americans to be made vulnerable by curtailing the 2nd amendment.

They want us on the defensive, worried about the 2nd amendment, depressed about our fellow americans, instead of on the offensive, demanding indictments of the players in the globalist network.

The "terrorists" are not Muslim. Or Jewish, or Christian, or Hindu... It's an easy mistake to make if you've been reading too much mainstream media and right-wing talking heads like Fox "news" and Alex Jones.

The CONTROLLERS that control the BIG PICTURE and BEHIND THE CURTAIN narrative have deliberately made "Muslims" the patsies. They have been assigned the role of boogeymen. It makes it so much easier to assassinate some country's leader or even wipe their country off the map if the people that call themselves "Americans" believe that the entire Middle East is inhabited by people with an evil religion that want all other people dead (which is comical, given the despicably violent nature of the 'old testament' that is the basis of Christianity and Judaism.)

Why even bring up "Muslims" in a thread about a shooter in Texas at a Baptist Church? Oh, and "white" and "Muslim" are not mutually exclusive - a Muslim could be a white man! Mind blowing, I know! {lions and tigers and bears, oh my!}

C'mon, Helen, don't fall for it. Don't let them program you. There is no religious war, there is no race war, there is a class war, the 0.001% (and their agents) versus all the rest of humanity and planet Earth. Don't let them (mis-)name your enemy; the Elite controllers are the enemy, not Blacks, not women, not Muslims, not gays, not transgendered, not Mexicans, and not any other subset of humanity or of US citizens. Trying to make you believe that those groups are your enemy is the divide and conquer strategy that they obviously feel is their most powerful and most critical propaganda tool. Don't let them have your mind.

[Caliban]

Do we even know if anyone was actually harmed in this thing? I really think we should be asking that question.

[Hervé]

Here is some blast from the past:
From Carolyn Hamlett via More Massacres Until Gun Laws Enacted - Insider (http://www.henrymakow.com/insider-shootings-will.html):

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/misc/quote_icon.png I speak from my experience of being born and raised in the globalist organization, taught this plan to take over America and bring America to ruin.

When I was a small child in the 1950's, I knew these types of shootings would be happening just prior to the beginning of the planned chaos.

I also know that the globalist organization has been programming multitudes of individuals at least since the early 1950's, to be triggered to perpetrate the planned chaos in America and in other locations throughout the world.

Many of these programmed people are what I call "sleepers" because they are totally unaware that they have been programmed.

The programming is dormant until the inner clock is triggered which engages the program. I believe that the movie, "Avatar" contains such triggers. I haven't seen the Batman movie, but I suspect it also contains triggers.

GLOBALISTS AIM TO DISARM AMERICANS
The globalist aim to enact strict gun laws and to finally disarm Americans. This has been a target goal for many years. Until the globalist enact strict gun laws, Americans can expect to be seeing more shootings, not just in schools, but in other public places, like malls, parks, libraries, religious meeting places, possibly subways and even airports.

[...]

Full post here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84721-Did-off-duty-US-military-foil-another-possible-suspicious-False-Flag-attack-on-Train-in-France&p=991623&viewfull=1#post991623
Nowadays, unlike the WW II "maquisards (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maquis_(World_War_II))" who were glued to radio broadcasts for any greenlight signals to go blow up railroads and bridges, the trigger signals could come from TV or V2K (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_auditory_effect#Conspiracy_theories) -- "Voice of God (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_harassment)" -- broadcasts...

As for Islam, this article (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100447-Exposing-the-Roots-of-Radical-Terrorism) (<---) puts some perspective between the "agitators" and the general population.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Do we even know if anyone was actually harmed in this thing? I really think we should be asking that question.

I highly doubt there is any deeper subterfuge. 26 people are clearly dead in my opinion. These terrible events do happen for real. Besides, this one is not something you can easily disguise in a town as small as Sutherland Springs. According to wikipedia, its population was 362 as of 2000. 26 people equates to a little over 7% of the entire population. That's a huge and very conspicuous dent to the community. You could not invent or fabricate those losses.

[ThePythonicCow]

I highly doubt there is any deeper subterfuge. 26 people are clearly dead in my opinion.
I'm confident that there is deeper subterfuge ... just not the particular sort of subterfuge involving no innocent victims being shot.

Rather I presume that portions of the deep state, in various ways, make conditions ripe for such incidents, in ways covering broad portions of the population, in ways more focused on particular sorts of susceptible individuals, and in ways focused on specific individuals.

[Cidersomerset]

Domestic situation in the family , Shooter ultimately shot himself , There was video
footage taken in the church , He was dressed in black with a white scull face,
he did not have a gun licence .....

Texas Rangers: Intent Of Church Shooter Devin Patrick Kelley
Linked To Domestic Situation | NBC News

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Published on 6 Nov 2017
A spokesman for the Texas Rangers says Devin Patrick Kelley, the man who
opened fire at First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, and killed 26
people, was involved with a domestic situation in the days leading up to the massacre.

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Longer version....

Law enforcement officials hold news conference on Texas church shooting

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Streamed

live 2 hours ago
ABC Radio coverage of the update on the deadly Texas shooting.

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Breaking: How Shooter Purchased Guns Legally, Exposed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POuBrx1BNGE

Published on 6 Nov 2017
Infowars reporter Rob Dew breaks down the latest from Southerland-Springs
Shooting press conference including how the atheist dirt bag purchased four guns
going back to 2014

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CNN News: Texas Baptist Church: Johnny Langendorff Hero: Chased Devin Kelley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9xyY0wbcKo
Published on 6 Nov 2017
Texas shooting: Gunman Devin Kelley sent 'threatening texts' to mother-in-law
who attended church

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Texas shooting: Gunman Devin Kelley 'had row with mother-in-law'

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Kelley is believed to have been in a family row with his ex-wife and in-laws, police say

Texas church gunman Devin Patrick Kelley was armed with three guns and had
argued with his mother-in-law before the rampage, officials say.

The attack on the small church outside San Antonio during Sunday services left 26
people dead and 20 injured.

Kelley called his father after he was shot by an armed bystander and said he did
not think he would survive.

He was not legally permitted to own the weapons, which included a semi-automatic
rifle and two handguns.


read more...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41892838#

[Caliban]

Do we even know if anyone was actually harmed in this thing? I really think we should be asking that question.

I highly doubt there is any deeper subterfuge. 26 people are clearly dead in my opinion. These terrible events do happen for real. Besides, this one is not something you can easily disguise in a town as small as Sutherland Springs. According to wikipedia, its population was 362 as of 2000. 26 people equates to a little over 7% of the entire population. That's a huge and very conspicuous dent to the community. You could not invent or fabricate those losses.

They can invent and fabricate anything they want, and they do. Granted, this is a very small town. Sandy Hook is a small community. And look what happened--didn't happen--there.

[Bill Ryan]

They can invent and fabricate anything they want, and they do. Granted, this is a very small town. Sandy Hook is a small community. And look what happened--didn't happen--there.

Yes, they can and do. But you have to be VERY, VERY careful. There's a world of difference between a hoax (Sandy Hook), a false flag (Las Vegas), and a possibly stimulated event (Texas, yesterday) — 'stimulated' here meaning someone who's genuinely unstable and hateful being unpredictably triggered by other events and publicity.

People definitely died in Las Vegas. It's way more than 100% clear and established. And yesterday in Texas, too.

While we may be smart and wise to question everything — if only once — we also have to be sincerely respectful to those who actually died.

I'll always forgive anyone who asks a genuine question because of something they just don't understand. For instance, some people don't know much about astronomy or physics, because that's not their thing. That's no hanging offense.

So an adult can sometimes ask simple questions as if from a child. That's okay. (I once had a friend, aged 20, an art student and a really nice person, who had no idea what stars were. She thought they were just little lights in the sky. She was staggered when I explained. :) )

But in this community we expect intelligent and aware members to be able to learn from one another, and be committed to sort out the facts from the fiction. That one of the forum's functions. Anyone who at this stage continues to ignore documented facts and multiple, sincere witness reports and beat the drum that no-one died in Las Vegas (and Jeff Rense has talked about this passionately a number of times now) is actually causing harm.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I highly doubt there is any deeper subterfuge. 26 people are clearly dead in my opinion.
I'm confident that there is deeper subterfuge ... just not the particular sort of subterfuge involving no innocent victims being shot.

Rather I presume that portions of the deep state, in various ways, make conditions ripe for such incidents, in ways covering broad portions of the population, in ways more focused on particular sorts of susceptible individuals, and in ways focused on specific individuals.

Yes completely agree, was only referring to the smoke and mirrors angle in that nobody was harmed/shot at all. There are definitely victims. It's possible the shooter was a kind of victim also, a down and out who was targeted, manoeuvred, and then mind-controlled to do this.



They can invent and fabricate anything they want, and they do. Granted, this is a very small town. Sandy Hook is a small community. And look what happened--didn't happen--there.

Yes agree. They can and will fake anything if necessary. It's highly likely Sandy Hook, as you say, was one such incident where everything was fake. But I'm positive this is different, where the death and carnage is very real, as it was in Orlando and Las Vegas. However the agenda behind them all is the same.

[kudzy]

There's a world of difference between a hoax (Sandy Hook), a false flag (Las Vegas), and a possibly stimulated event (Texas, yesterday)

Greetings Bill and all:

I've stated previously here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70571-The-Sandy-Hook-Elementary-School-closed-in-2008--the-2012-massacre-was-staged-&p=823394&viewfull=1#post823394) and here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54840-More-Sandy-Hook-News-Chopper-Anomalies--Crystal-Clear-HD-Zooms-Shows-Weird-Stuff-&p=624072&viewfull=1#post624072)that children really did die at Sandy Hook. I have a relative that was in that school on the day of the shooting, they live in the same neighborhood as Adam Lanza. Also, a guy that grew up on the same street as my best high school buddy responded to the scene and has been traumatized as a result.

This is not the thread to debate what happened at SH and I'm not interested in debating. I just felt compelled to state what I know. That's all. Peace

[Caliban]

I highly doubt there is any deeper subterfuge. 26 people are clearly dead in my opinion.
I'm confident that there is deeper subterfuge ... just not the particular sort of subterfuge involving no innocent victims being shot.

Rather I presume that portions of the deep state, in various ways, make conditions ripe for such incidents, in ways covering broad portions of the population, in ways more focused on particular sorts of susceptible individuals, and in ways focused on specific individuals.

Yes completely agree, was only referring to the smoke and mirrors angle in that nobody was harmed/shot at all. There are definitely victims. It's possible the shooter was a kind of victim also, a down and out who was targeted, manoeuvred, and then mind-controlled to do this.



They can invent and fabricate anything they want, and they do. Granted, this is a very small town. Sandy Hook is a small community. And look what happened--didn't happen--there.

Yes agree. They can and will fake anything if necessary. It's highly likely Sandy Hook, as you say, was one such incident where everything was fake. But I'm positive this is different, where the death and carnage is very real, as it was in Orlando and Las Vegas. However the agenda behind them all is the same.


Star Mariner, thank you for clarifying. I'd like to respectfully suggest looking a little deeper into Orlando. That was an extremely suspect event with many holes in the official story. Not sure if they're there -- since so many have been removed -- but there were excellent videos on YT showing why this couldn't have been true, at least, as told.

[Cidersomerset]

This is not the thread to debate what happened at SH and I'm not interested in debating.
I just felt compelled to state what I know. That's all. Peace

My take and I have covered most of the events since 7/7 is that there is a combination
going on false flags definitely and most if not all are real in the sense people died , even
those that were using crisis actors and other distractions and because many were initiated
while drills were going on , then went live most famously on 9/11 and 7/7 to keep the
event how ever large as in the former , under overall control of the situation.

Boston seemed contrived so were others ,underwear bomber , Oswald the list goes on that
far more was going on than the mainstream were allowed to cover. There are also genuine
events and this is probably one of those there is a long list of mass murderers through history
as well , these are only brief comments to a massive subject....

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This can not be coincidence....

Peter Power a former anti-terrorism police officer tells how it was planned as
TPTB have to tell the public what is going on by hiding the truth in plain sight.
Remember Jane Stanley building 7 on 9/11. It does not mean they knew what
was going on......https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltP2t9nq9fI

BBC Radio - Drills Ran on day of london bombings 7-7-05

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEbUQiYOGjU

The Government was running drills of bombings at exact same stations at the exact
same times - reported by BBC on the day. This news was not reported thereafter.
This is a BBC Radio Interview with Peter Power head of visor consultants, a crisis
managment firm based in London.

7/7 London Terror Drills go LIVE...London TV interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jInH6VS13YY

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BBC Panorama: London Under Attack (the show that predicted 7/7)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7uIjg9dtoI
Broadcast on May 16th 2004, this show features a fiction terrorist attack very
similar to the real attack of 7/7 a year later. The show's panel of experts included
Peter Power, the former anti-terrorism police officer who was running a training
exercise on the day of 7/7.

There of course is much more and I'm sure most on here has seen this but just
in case anyone new is tuning in ......

[Bill Ryan]

Anyone who at this stage continues to ignore documented facts and multiple, sincere witness reports and beat the drum that no-one died in Las Vegas (and Jeff Rense has talked about this passionately a number of times now) is actually causing harm.

Jeff Rense's strongest statement: (well worth listening to, in my opinion)

Jeff [Rense] & Gary Holland - Those Who Deny People Died In Vegas Are Either Intel Assets Or Fools


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_79SXxybQQ

[TargeT]

CNN, at it again with the latest "event".

https://i.redd.it/jhwa8t19mewz.png

[Satori]

“However, cops can’t be everywhere. There are at best only a couple hundred thousand on duty at any given time patrolling the entire country. Excellent response time is in the three-five minute range. We’ve seen what bad guys can do in three minutes, but sometimes it is far worse. They simply can’t teleport. So in some cases that means the bad guys can have ten, fifteen, even twenty minutes to do horrible things with nobody effectively fighting back.

So if we can’t have cops there, what can we do?

The average number of people shot in a mass shooting event when the shooter is stopped by law enforcement: 14. The average number of people shot in a mass shooting event when the shooter is stopped by civilians: 2.5. The reason is simple. The armed civilians are there when it started.”

Source:

https://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/an-opinion-on-gun-control/

[Helene West]

I've copied a link below to former FBI investigator now paranormal investigator, John DeSouza, interviewed by Jordan Sather on Destroying the Illusion. The interview took place on October 20th, after Las Vegas shooting. He is a clairaudient.

They speak about a variety of topics but the reason I'm including the link here is because tells young Jordan that the Las Vegas shooting failed for the globalists. They want global human disarmament but because the event raised so many questions and criticisms immediately it was a failure. He believed it was meant to have the entire country screaming for gun control but instead it was taken off the daily talking heads show because of its many flaws. He said he was shocked how quickly they removed the Las Vegas shooting from the mainstream litany.

On the October 20th show he predicts they will try again very soon! He said he felt within 60 days they will try another shooting!!!

https://youtu.be/-3F6SZZIT-E

[Cidersomerset]

LIVE: Update From Scene Of Church Shooting

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Published on 6 Nov 2017
Rob Dew reports live from the scene of the largest mass shooting in Texas history
with updates from press conferences.
Follow David Knight On Twitter: https://twitter.com/libertytarian

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Atheist Leftist Targeted Church To Get Back At Ex-Wife’s Family

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVWT0ZeOn64

Published on 6 Nov 2017...Info wars
Rob Dew reports live from Sutherland, Texas on new details breaking from the
scene of the bloody Sunday massacre.

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Local Believes Shooter Was Going To A Larger Church After Massacre

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lGyd3iNTp4
Published on 6 Nov 2017... Info wars

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Good Guys With Guns Stop The Bad Guy In Texas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVn4dFH-qYk
Published on 6 Nov 2017
Texas Governor Greg Abbott Says Sutherland Springs Shooter was Denied Gun
License for Dishonorable Discharge

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Search for answers after deadly Texas church shooting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD0ewG_jJDg

Published on 6 Nov 2017
Investigators are searching for answers after 26-year-old Devin Patrick Kelley
opened fire on the First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs, Texas, on Sunday,
killing at least 26 people. David Katz, president and CEO of Global Security Group
and a former U.S. federal agent, joins CBSN to discuss the investigation and the
shooter's possible motive

[Helene West]

“However, cops can’t be everywhere. There are at best only a couple hundred thousand on duty at any given time patrolling the entire country. Excellent response time is in the three-five minute range. We’ve seen what bad guys can do in three minutes, but sometimes it is far worse. They simply can’t teleport. So in some cases that means the bad guys can have ten, fifteen, even twenty minutes to do horrible things with nobody effectively fighting back.

So if we can’t have cops there, what can we do?

The average number of people shot in a mass shooting event when the shooter is stopped by law enforcement: 14. The average number of people shot in a mass shooting event when the shooter is stopped by civilians: 2.5. The reason is simple. The armed civilians are there when it started.”

Source:

https://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/an-opinion-on-gun-control/

Thanks Satori. It is common sense that in this society civilians who so choose and go about it legally should be armed. I may be wrong but I feel that many in the congregation probably were licensed but just didn't think to bring their gun to their little sunday service. That will all change.
As attorney Lionel states mainstream won't mention the two heros who chased him and shot him down. Thank God for Texans, they fight back.

[East Sun]

I have a stupid question?

It must be possible to get names of the victims, even by contacting the people who say their relative was
shot or injured. Don't journalists do that or are certain journalists not allowed to get that info.

Do the police ban others from gathering info. and what about all those who 'died' and people visiting
the victims in hospital .
Is that all locked out?

I'm curious as I don't know?

Anyone?

[Dennis Leahy]

... including how the atheist dirt bag purchased four guns going back to 2014...
haha You've gotta watch out quoting back Alex Jones without using quotation marks. There are probably quite a few atheists on this forum that wouldn't like being called "dirt bag" - especially by a selfish pseudo-Christian who is brainwashed against atheism.

[Michelle Marie]

I've copied a link below to former FBI investigator now paranormal investigator, John DeSouza, interviewed by Jordan Sather on Destroying the Illusion. The interview took place on October 20th, after Las Vegas shooting. He is a clairaudient.

They speak about a variety of topics but the reason I'm including the link here is because tells young Jordan that the Las Vegas shooting failed for the globalists. They want global human disarmament but because the event raised so many questions and criticisms immediately it was a failure. He believed it was meant to have the entire country screaming for gun control but instead it was taken off the daily talking heads show because of its many flaws. He said he was shocked how quickly they removed the Las Vegas shooting from the mainstream litany.

On the October 20th show he predicts they will try again very soon! He said he felt within 60 days they will try another shooting!!!

https://youtu.be/-3F6SZZIT-E

Wow! That's really a great video.

Just wanted to give you a special thanks!:star::highfive::happythumbsup:

MM

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... including how the atheist dirt bag purchased four guns going back to 2014...
haha You've gotta watch out quoting back Alex Jones without using quotation marks. There are probably quite a few atheists on this forum that wouldn't like being called "dirt bag" - especially by a selfish pseudo-Christian who is brainwashed against atheism.

Why name-calling at all?

[Michelle Marie]

I have a stupid question?

It must be possible to get names of the victims, even by contacting the people who say their relative was
shot or injured. Don't journalists do that or are certain journalists not allowed to get that info.

Do the police ban others from gathering info. and what about all those who 'died' and people visiting
the victims in hospital .
Is that all locked out?

I'm curious as I don't know?

Anyone?

Well, in the video that Helene West provided, the ex FBI agent John DeSouza mentions that a 28 year old girl who was going to organize the witnesses of the Las Vegas shooting is no longer alive. I don't know what all information is being suppressed, but it seems the whole truth may not be easy to come by.

Good question, though.

:clapping:MM:Angel:

[Michelle Marie]

“However, cops can’t be everywhere. There are at best only a couple hundred thousand on duty at any given time patrolling the entire country. Excellent response time is in the three-five minute range. We’ve seen what bad guys can do in three minutes, but sometimes it is far worse. They simply can’t teleport. So in some cases that means the bad guys can have ten, fifteen, even twenty minutes to do horrible things with nobody effectively fighting back.

So if we can’t have cops there, what can we do?

The average number of people shot in a mass shooting event when the shooter is stopped by law enforcement: 14. The average number of people shot in a mass shooting event when the shooter is stopped by civilians: 2.5. The reason is simple. The armed civilians are there when it started.”

Source:

https://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/an-opinion-on-gun-control/

Thanks Satori. It is common sense that in this society civilians who so choose and go about it legally should be armed. I may be wrong but I feel that many in the congregation probably were licensed but just didn't think to bring their gun to their little sunday service. That will all change.
As attorney Lionel states mainstream won't mention the two heros who chased him and shot him down. Thank God for Texans, they fight back.

Yes, it seems the whole motive to disarm people is going to backfire, so to speak:bigsmile:, and more people will be prepared.

This gives much strength to uphold the 2nd amendment. Maybe it will go farther...the entire Constitution and the Bill of Rights are going to be upheld with a unified nation and global support that will extend these rights around the world.:grouphug:

Those that think they are above the law will find the law above does work without fail.

:bigsmile:MM:clapping:

[Cidersomerset]

Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
... including how the atheist dirt bag purchased four guns going back to 2014...
haha You've gotta watch out quoting back Alex Jones without using quotation marks.
There are probably quite a few atheists on this forum that wouldn't like being called
"dirt bag" - especially by a selfish pseudo-Christian who is brainwashed against atheism.



Yeah that's the trouble with copying direct quotes sometimes , I recently
watched the BBC TV mini series 'Gunpowder' and plague on all religious zealots.

I have no problem with any ones spiritual views as long as they are
kept for personal and peacefull solace and shared responsibly.

http://cdn1.ireland-calling.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Dave-Allen_Im-an-atheist.jpg


Thinking about it Alex has got more religious lately maybe as he is getting older ?
But he does have a tendency of calling everyone "scumbags" sooner or later
which I have tuned out of when listening to him " New World Order scumbags".etc.

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Strong views and language...

Texas Church Massacre: What They're NOT Telling You
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LryQey8mdu0
Published on 6 Nov 2017
Paul Joseph Watson gives his trademark take on the Sutherland
Springs Church shooting deep in the heart of Texas.


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#TexasChurchMassacre: Motivation's Irrelevant But Don't Rule Out #MKUltra and #SSRIs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSnsZTFCt4E
Published on 6 Nov 2017
The deadliest shooting in Texas history could have claimed even more lives if it
weren't for a local resident who confronted the gunman, and another man who
joined him to chase down the shooter, authorities say.

Stephen Willeford lives next to First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs. After
Devin Patrick Kelley opened fire inside the church on Sunday, Willeford heard the
commotion, grabbed his own gun, ran out of his house barefoot and confronted the gunman.

"He said he was loading the magazine as fast as he could, he didn't even know how
many rounds he had put in the magazine," said Willeford's cousin, Ken Leonard,
during an interview with CNN's Brooke Baldwin.

"What do you say to the man who stepped up when he heard the gunshots? I'd say
he's a hero," Wilson County Sheriff Joe Tackitt Jr. told CNN's Chris Cuomo on
Monday. "I don't think there's any question about that. Had he not done what he
did, we could have lost more people." Twenty-six people at the church were slain,
and 20 were injured.

Leonard said his cousin shot Kelley in the side and twice in the neck.
"He saw that the guy was wearing body armor, and there was a velcro strap, from
the back to the front," explained Leonard, speaking live on Monday. "He knew from
that ... that the vulnerable spot was going to be in the side. And so that's where he
shot him."

Leonard added that the shooter carjacked a nearby vehicle and engaged his cousin
in a firefight. "As he was doing that, (my cousin) shot him again, in the neck."

Willeford shot at Kelley before the gunman sped away in a pearl-colored Ford
Explorer. Willeford then hailed a man across the street and got in his truck, telling
him to chase down Kelley. "I had to catch the guy," the motorist, Johnnie
Langendorff told CNN on Monday. "I had to make sure he was caught and at that
point the gentleman riding with me said you may have to use your truck to get him
off the road and there was no hesitation. It was do everything necessary to make
sure that this guy is stopped." At a news conference Sunday night, investigators
offered a timeline of the attack at the church and described the role Willeford
played.The gunman entered the small church in the rural town east of San Antonio,
firing with a rifle at the congregation attending the morning service.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/05/us/texa...

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Tucker Carlson REACTS To The Mass Shooting In Texas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM65DTJeYfs
Published on 6 Nov 2017
Watch Tucker Carlson's Reaction To the mass shooting in Texas.

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'He saw me and I saw him' Stephen Willeford's Intense Interview After Shooting.

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Published on 6 Nov 2017
Stephen Willeford, The man who saved lives while firing at the Texas Church
Shooter in Sutherland Springs, Texas.

[Cidersomerset]

This is unusual in these cases as far as I know which proves the authenticity
of this event....NRA member and former firearms instructor powerfull testimony..

While in pursuit of suspect Stephen checked his magazine and realised he only
had two rounds in his gun and still carried on the chase and confronted the
suspect after he had crashed in the ditch , brave man.

He admits he feels in shock and this interview seems a bit like the beginning
of a therapy session which is understandable.

EXCLUSIVE: Texas Massacre Hero, Stephen Willeford,
Describes Stopping Gunman | Louder With Crowder

B4HEchh0XD8

Published on 6 Nov 2017
An exclusive interview with Stephen Willeford, the hero who ended the killing spree in
Sutherland Springs, Texas. Stephen recounts the actions that lead him to confronting
Devin Patrick Kelley outside First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs.


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This is sad but does show the inside of the church and the community spirit shattered by Devin Kelley

Texas Pastor Talks About Daughter Killed in Church Shooting During Sermon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDxT7_KMtCE
Published on 6 Nov 2017
First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs, Texas Last Sermon Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHw_QeZqHxs
Published on 5 Nov 2017
First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs, Texas Last Sermon Video

[Bill Ryan]

... including how the atheist dirt bag purchased four guns going back to 2014...
haha You've gotta watch out quoting back Alex Jones without using quotation marks. There are probably quite a few atheists on this forum that wouldn't like being called "dirt bag" - especially by a selfish pseudo-Christian who is brainwashed against atheism.

Here's a quote from Alex Jones from today's show — with quotation marks, too: :)

"A lot of nice people are atheists, a lot of intellectuals, a lot of folks that don’t like fake churches and fake religion."

Alex's description of Kelley as a "dirt bag" might have been more than entirely reasonable (and maybe just a little mild), considering that he cold-bloodedly murdered 26 people, including tiny children and senior citizens.

[avid]

I watched the heartbreaking video of Stephen Willeford, it is wonderful that there are honest, loving and law-abiding folk still being enabled to activate when necessary, to defend innocence, and stuff politicisation, this was a mentally ill man taken down by a caring local, so stop making it into something it should not be, or exacerbating for political profit.

[Cidersomerset]

One major observation of this event compared to others is how transparent
it has been. The police are still holding back personal information of the victims
until formalities are cleared. It maybe the nature of the rural small town community
and the fact Stephen Willeford did a comprehensive uncensored interview on the
web , also Rob Dew of Info wars was on the scene reporting live early , and to be
fair mainstream did play their part that fears of a cover up has been diminished
unless something comes out of left field . A far cry from LV etc. Though anti gun
and other agendas are being spouted...

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Survivors describe Texas church massacre

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Published on 7 Nov 2017
Rosa Solis said the suspect told congregants, "Everybody dies," and the
neighbor, Stephen Willeford, who shot at the suspect after he left the
church said he wish he "could have gotten there faster

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Texas officials: Shooting not motivated by religious beliefs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBt7Ps1asm4
Published on 7 Nov 2017
Texas Department of Public Safety's Freeman Martin answers questions submitted
by the media on the investigation into the church massacre.

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Texas church gunman previously cited for animal cruelty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7XnZNqIWDY
Published on 7 Nov 2017
Four different witnesses told deputies in Colorado Springs that they saw Devin
Kelley beating his dog while screaming at it, even as the dog cried.

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Texas Shooting: Her 8 neighbours went to church - none came home - BBC News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JclLGCOnfAo
Published on 7 Nov 2017
Eight members of one family are feared dead in the Texas church shooting. The
Holcombes' neighbour, Pauline Garza, tells the BBC she doesn't know what to tell
her children.

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Families reflect on losing loved ones in Texas shooting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o_KcOe5BYM
Published on 6 Nov 2017
Bryan Llenas has more on the victims.

[Cidersomerset]

unless something comes out of left field

What was I saying about left field ....Now medication will come into it for sure.
This has come up over the past few days whether the suspect was on meds
or not which is a feature of many previous shootings.

He had a violent nature to his family and animals and to cold bloodedly murder
many children in the church is the mark of a 'sick' human however you look at it..

http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/3.21.31/orb/4/img/bbc-blocks-dark.png

Texas shooting: Gunman had briefly 'escaped mental hospital'
22 minutes ago
From the section US & Canada

The gunman who killed 26 churchgoers in Texas escaped a mental health clinic in
2012, according to a police report.El Paso officers who detained Devin Kelley were
told he was "a danger to himself and others".

Kelley had been sent to the hospital after he was court-martialled for assaulting his
ex-wife and stepson during his stint in the US Air Force.He was "attempting to carry
out death threats" against "his military chain of command", the report states.

Officials say the assault should have legally barred him from owning guns.

El Paso police arrested Kelley at a bus terminal in downtown El Paso on the evening
of 7 June 2012, according to a police report first revealed by KPRC in Houston.

In the report, police wrote that Kelley had escaped from Peak Behavioral Health
Services in Santa Teresa, New Mexico, about 100 miles (160km) away.The person
who reported him missing from the facility told police Kelley "suffered from mental
disorders".

Kelley "had already been caught sneaking firearms onto Holloman Air Force Base",
the report adds.Later that year, Kelley pleaded guilty in a military court to
repeatedly assaulting his wife and his toddler stepson.

He was sentenced to one year in a US Navy prison.

FBI investigators said on Tuesday they have been trying to unlock Kelley's mobile
phone, to better understand what led him to carry out the mass shooting.Survivors
have been describing how Kelley went pew to pew in the church shooting crying
children at point blank range.

read more...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41907943

=================================================
Texas Church Gunman Devin Kelley Escaped Mental Health Facility In 2012 | MSNBC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4fFtI7QXMA
Published on 7 Nov 2017
A police report says the Texas church gunman escaped from a mental health facility
in 2012. NBC's Pete Williams report.

[Molly4US]

Re: Bill's post the day after ANTIFA.....that crossed my mind, too. Also, November 5 is Guy Fawkes day. More pieces to think about in the grand scheme.

The 4 November ANTIFA declaration was never intended to be just one day. It was to be the start of a campaign that'd be ongoing for as long as would be needed.


ANTIFA and Anonymous, have ebbed this up as well, trying to brainwash citizens into viewing the middle class, the "patriots", the Republicans, the Christians, as fascists. It would not surprise me if the Texas Church shooter was worked up over the November 4, 5....call to harm "patriots and Trump-supporters". Promoting of anarchy is typically very unhealthy. The amount of Cyberterrorism going on cannot be healthy for the young mind, and the building of a sensible lawful foundation. While I was growing up there was no Internet, and when a terrorist hijacked the T.V. station airwaves while I was watching the news, it was much more obvious.

Although I am a strong supporter of the Second Amendment, there are now news articles coming out about the shooters violent background which seem like should have excluded the shooter from being able to get a gun at all.


Similar to ANTIFA and Anoonymous, and I believe, a part of the same Groups is Calexit which is promoting similar inhospitable views and behavior toward the California middle class. The founder states in another article that he had thought of naming the group, Leave California. A group name which has always been forward about their desire to claim California as their own is La Raza. FOX interview with CalExit leader Shankor Singam: http://video.foxnews.com/v/5528442675001/?#sp=show-clips

The scary "impossible" is being brought into reality in very controlling/manipulative ways. It takes years of effort behind the scenes to rally enough support to get a movement going. Therefore, by the time you hear about a movement, it may have been going on for a very long time, perhaps by a different name, or a group of names, now gathered together.

In addition, the Yes California and CalExit movement hopes to capitalize on those same ANTIFA and Anonymous members/covert supporters, while simultaneously CalExit stokes up an ever increasing number of persons in California who will promote the secession. The trick has been to quickly shuffle the population demographic through the means mentioned below (and CalExit says Texas is next on their list of states they wish to claim):

1. Terrorism. Use of covert harassment weapons (DEW) and gangstalking of citizens so as to make them lose their jobs, lose their homes, so as to compel them to leave California, and "open up a spot" for illegals (as admittedly described by Shankar Singam in the above interview).
2. Thwarting federal law by creating Sanctuary Cities, thus hoards of illegals and overstayed VISAs from every state of the U.S. have flooded to California during these past several years.
3. Huge numbers of illegals come over the border every day, and since California is a Sanctuary State (an illegal misnomer as that "status" is federally unrecognized), the illegals will be guided to California most specifically.
4. California has a subsidy for companies who hire felons, thus drawing illegals and citizens who may not want federal oversight.
5. California has stupidly legalized marijuana (also federally unrecognized) which will dumb down pot-using citizens and all the children subjected to their second hand marijuana smoke; creating the characteristic marijuana-use mindset of "who cares". Thus a citizenry who votes and signs petitions thoughtlessly.
6. California in "legalizing" marijuana use has drawn "never-do-well" anarchists from every state of the U.S. into California.
7. Kim Jung Un, as North Korea is not an Allie, could perceive himself as a beneficiary of the New CalExit nation, thus may be waging his continuing threats of nuclear missle attacks against California, so as to compel additional middle class people to leave.

My Conclusion: CalExit is a coordinated hostile offensive.


*As a separate nation, perhaps CalExit perhaps wishes to view itself as a nation who has not signed the Geneva Convention and Frequency Act/Treaties etc, and thus wouldn't consider itself as having to abide by the "rules of war" as pertaining to "false flags" and unlawful mind-control weapons as well as techniques: Visit the Targeted Individual section of Avalon Forum to find out the types of atrocities on-going and possible for anarchist groups who perceive themselves as above the law, who wish citizens to be displaced. If one were to make a GIS layer of Targeted Individuals, and a GIS layer of the regions which CalExit mentions as desiring next, they match perfectly. I feel confident that the correlation exists.

[Praxis]

5. California has stupidly legalized marijuana (also federally unrecognized) which will dumb down pot-using citizens and all the children subjected to their second hand marijuana smoke; creating the characteristic marijuana-use mindset of "who cares". Thus a citizenry who votes and signs petitions thoughtlessly.
6. California in "legalizing" marijuana use has drawn "never-do-well" anarchists from every state of the U.S. into California.
7. Kim Jung Un, as North Korea is not an Allie, could perceive himself as a beneficiary of the New CalExit nation, thus may be waging his continuing threats of nuclear missle attacks against California, so as to compel additional middle class people to leave.


First, I dont think i have read anywhere about CALEXIT except here. I dont think anybody actually takes it seriously at all if it is even a thing. Furthermore, there is no mechanism to actually leave the Union, besides what was tried in the 1800s. (although Texas does have a mechanism it would be an interesting fight between them and the Feds)

Second, You dont believe in both property and freedom if you think the government is allowed to tell me what substance I can put into my body. My body is my property and if I want to alter it with WHATEVER then that is my choice.

Third, you have a child like view of cannabis.

Fourth, you use Anarchist like it is a derogatory word meaning you probably couldnt actually elucidate what the philosophy behind anarchy is. I recommend James Corbetts reading What is Property? https://www.corbettreport.com/category/well-read-anarchist/

Fifth, your characterization of NK actions seems a little unbalanced and seems to lack any ability to walk a mile in their shoes. Am I defending Un? No he is clearly a monster that presides over a terroristic state, but then again so is TRUMP.


Sixth, without realizing, or maybe with realizing it, you are pushing the very agenda you are railing against. By pushing this left right bull****, you working for antifa. Reject the entire spectrum and create something new. Repub and Democrats are clearly both corrupt and not working for the majority of the people they claim to be. Both parties are extensions of the national security state and if you cant see that then we live in different realities.

[Satori]

I watched the heartbreaking video of Stephen Willeford, it is wonderful that there are honest, loving and law-abiding folk still being enabled to activate when necessary, to defend innocence, and stuff politicisation, this was a mentally ill man taken down by a caring local, so stop making it into something it should not be, or exacerbating for political profit.

I hold both Stephen Willeford, and the driver, Johnny, in very high esteem. And I can tell you with absolute certainty that there are many, many thousands, if not millions, of Stephens and Johnnys in Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Kansas, New Mexico, Montana, Wyoming, North Dakota and many other states.

No sane and reasonable person wants to find himself or herself in this type of situation. But this insanity is sadly a part of today's world, as remote as it may be for any particular one of us to be involved in such an event at any particular time. Being able to defend yourself and, importantly, defend others like this and to be able to bring down a heavily armed and determined killer, or killers, is highly preferable to being slaughtered.

I can be counted among those people who relate to this man and what he stands for and had to do.

[Cidersomerset]

Texas Killer Escaped From Mental Institution, Trump Proven Right AGAIN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zgKMT6yrJU

Published on 7 Nov 2017...Info Wars...
Alex Jones presents President Trump's claim that the Sutherland Springs,
Texas Church shooting was more of a mental health issue than gun control
issue, and new reports prove Trump right, AGAIN.

===============================================

Texas Gunman Escaped From Mental Health Facility In 2012,
Documents Show | NBC Nightly News

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Published on 7 Nov 2017
The alleged shooter killed 26 people in the worst mass murder in modern
Texas history with a semiautomatic rifle that, by law, he should not have
been allowed to buy.

===============================================

Texas Church Shooting: The 26 Victims Who Were Killed | NBC Nightly News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd9iyXRpJ5I
Published on 7 Nov 2017
Survivors are describing the horrifying scene in which the gunman fired on
children -- the youngest, just 18 months old -- and adults.

[Hervé]

Texas Gunman Escaped From Mental Health Facility In 2012,
Documents Show | NBC Nightly News
Any need to explain where, when and by whom said shooter received his programming (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100457-Mass-shooting-in-Texas-Church-26-dead&p=1189282&viewfull=1#post1189282)?

[Cidersomerset]

Any need to explain where, when and by whom said shooter received his programming?


I was beginning to think this was a tragic event for once , I'm not so sure now
after yesterdays revelations ....




Pentagon investigating Texas church shooter's past

Lu2vRl0FzZY

Published on 8 Nov 2017

Members of Congress are also demanding answers as the suspect,
Devin Kelley, is now known to have escaped from a mental health
facility and was able to purchase guns despite a domestic abuse
conviction.

=================================================

Texas Gunman Devin Kelley Escaped From Mental Health Facility In 2012 | NBC Nightly News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_mH2PzyFOM
Published on 8 Nov 2017
The alleged shooter killed 26 people in the worst mass murder in modern Texas
history with a semiautomatic rifle that, by law, he should not have been allowed to buy.

==================================================

Texas gunman's disturbing past comes to light

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDFfF3rUia4
Published on 8 Nov 2017...Fox.
The church shooter escaped a mental health facility.

[Dennis Leahy]

... including how the atheist dirt bag purchased four guns going back to 2014...
haha You've gotta watch out quoting back Alex Jones without using quotation marks. There are probably quite a few atheists on this forum that wouldn't like being called "dirt bag" - especially by a selfish pseudo-Christian who is brainwashed against atheism.

Here's a quote from Alex Jones from today's show — with quotation marks, too: :)

"A lot of nice people are atheists, a lot of intellectuals, a lot of folks that don’t like fake churches and fake religion."

Alex's description of Kelley as a "dirt bag" might have been more than entirely reasonable (and maybe just a little mild), considering that he cold-bloodedly murdered 26 people, including tiny children and senior citizens.

Yes, surely "dirt bag" is a mild epithet for a mass murderer, and there are no cuss words that can be strung together into a compound adjective that would describe a mass murderer adequately. But that's not what I was pointing out. I was pointing out Jones' prejudice against atheists (let's add Muslims too) that comes seething out in his rhetoric. As researchers and people seeking the truth, we need to do our research without deliberately or inadvertently accepting or repeating or even promoting the prejudices of the people that we use for our research. It's part of discernment. Cidersomerset's post caught my eye when it appeared to me, at first blush - due to the lack of quotation marks, that those were Cider's words. I quickly realized that they were Jones' words, but that made me realize that one of Jones' prejudices was being repeated (unchallenged), which is tantamount to acceptance.

A major project of the CIA/Deep State - using their control over mainstream media - has been to demonize Islam and Muslims, to associate Muslims with terror. We KNOW this is true - we (as a community) have done the due diligence and we know that this is a ploy by the CIA to get people to blindly accept the official narrative of 9/11 and the bombing and takeover of Arab countries that is the US federal government (mobster) geopolitical policy. We don't need to defend Islam (or Catholicism, or Christianity, or Hinduism, or Judaism, etc.) My own view is that all of those religions are tools of control over the population, and I would love it if all religions were abandoned. My own views, however, clash with most people who hold religion as a 'sacred' milieu, and for me the only logical remedy is tolerance. I tolerate Christianity. I tolerate Islam. More importantly, I refuse to help the CIA/Deep State carry out their mission which includes making Muslims the latest boogeymen that we all need to fear and to allow the State to "protect us" from.

Another way of looking at this is like one of those mathematical word problems that we had to solve in school, where we are given the pertinent data along with gobs of worthless data - and we are tasked with finding the important data to solve the problem (or understand the situation.) Discernment. We throw out/ignore all the worthless data - the same way that as researchers, we MUST also throw out the worthless data and innuendo and prejudices that are packed along with the pertinent data.

[Helene West]

Any need to explain where, when and by whom said shooter received his programming?


I was beginning to think this was a tragic event for once , I'm not so sure now
after yesterdays revelations ....




Pentagon investigating Texas church shooter's past

Lu2vRl0FzZY

Published on 8 Nov 2017

Members of Congress are also demanding answers as the suspect,
Devin Kelley, is now known to have escaped from a mental health
facility and was able to purchase guns despite a domestic abuse
conviction.

=================================================

Texas Gunman Devin Kelley Escaped From Mental Health Facility In 2012 | NBC Nightly News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_mH2PzyFOM
Published on 8 Nov 2017
The alleged shooter killed 26 people in the worst mass murder in modern Texas
history with a semiautomatic rifle that, by law, he should not have been allowed to buy.

==================================================

Texas gunman's disturbing past comes to light

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDFfF3rUia4
Published on 8 Nov 2017...Fox.
The church shooter escaped a mental health facility.

I guess I'm not too savvy about this sort of thing but I find it interesting that the 'Pentagon' is investigating, not the FBI? I associate the Pentagon with the military and were they to do investigations it would be regarding military affairs. The police investigate civilians, the FBI, the CIA, but I just found it strange the Pentagon is handling this one. I don't trust the FBI and especially don't trust the CIA as i see them as the private police force for the international ruling class so maybe it's good the Pentagon is handling, who knows.
It's also validating that it's being highlighted that there are gun laws in place but if institutions won't enforce what is already in place don't take it out on the law abiding gun owners.

[Tangri]

... including how the atheist dirt bag purchased four guns going back to 2014...
haha You've gotta watch out quoting back Alex Jones without using quotation marks. There are probably quite a few atheists on this forum that wouldn't like being called "dirt bag" - especially by a selfish pseudo-Christian who is brainwashed against atheism.

Here's a quote from Alex Jones from today's show — with quotation marks, too: :)

"A lot of nice people are atheists, a lot of intellectuals, a lot of folks that don’t like fake churches and fake religion."

Alex's description of Kelley as a "dirt bag" might have been more than entirely reasonable (and maybe just a little mild), considering that he cold-bloodedly murdered 26 people, including tiny children and senior citizens.

Yes, surely "dirt bag" is a mild epithet for a mass murderer, and there are no cuss words that can be strung together into a compound adjective that would describe a mass murderer adequately. But that's not what I was pointing out. I was pointing out Jones' prejudice against atheists (let's add Muslims too) that comes seething out in his rhetoric. As researchers and people seeking the truth, we need to do our research without deliberately or inadvertently accepting or repeating or even promoting the prejudices of the people that we use for our research. It's part of discernment. Cidersomerset's post caught my eye when it appeared to me, at first blush - due to the lack of quotation marks, that those were Cider's words. I quickly realized that they were Jones' words, but that made me realize that one of Jones' prejudices was being repeated (unchallenged), which is tantamount to acceptance.

A major project of the CIA/Deep State - using their control over mainstream media - has been to demonize Islam and Muslims, to associate Muslims with terror. We KNOW this is true - we (as a community) have done the due diligence and we know that this is a ploy by the CIA to get people to blindly accept the official narrative of 9/11 and the bombing and takeover of Arab countries that is the US federal government (mobster) geopolitical policy. We don't need to defend Islam (or Catholicism, or Christianity, or Hinduism, or Judaism, etc.) My own view is that all of those religions are tools of control over the population, and I would love it if all religions were abandoned. My own views, however, clash with most people who hold religion as a 'sacred' milieu, and for me the only logical remedy is tolerance. I tolerate Christianity. I tolerate Islam. More importantly, I refuse to help the CIA/Deep State carry out their mission which includes making Muslims the latest boogeymen that we all need to fear and to allow the State to "protect us" from.

Another way of looking at this is like one of those mathematical word problems that we had to solve in school, where we are given the pertinent data along with gobs of worthless data - and we are tasked with finding the important data to solve the problem (or understand the situation.) Discernment. We throw out/ignore all the worthless data - the same way that as researchers, we MUST also throw out the worthless data and innuendo and prejudices that are packed along with the pertinent data.

"and for me the only logical remedy is tolerance"

Thank you,

[Bill Ryan]

"and for me the only logical remedy is tolerance"



Yes, and there's no-one who wouldn't admire the sentiment.

But if I was a woman in (say) Sweden, I might not be feeling very tolerant.

[skogvokter]

..
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James Woods twitter responce to Obama


https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/927348322683244544
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[Cidersomerset]

This is more of a conversation and summery of shooting and its consequences...

#TexasChurchMassacre Lies | One Year Anniversary @POTUS — Lionel on "Real News With David Knight"

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Published on 9 Nov 2017
A dramatic account of a high speed car chase after a mass shooting in a Texas church has
emerged from one of the gunman’s pursuers, who describes a gunfight and subsequent crash.

Motorist Johnnie Langendorff has told how he was driving near to Sutherland Springs First
Baptist Church on Sunday morning when he saw two men shooting at each other.

He saw the church gunman – now named as Devin Kelley – take off in his car and a member
of the local community came over to ask for help.
Langendorff told a local TV station Ksat.com: “I pulled up to the intersection where the shooting
happened. I saw two men exchanging gunfire, the other being the citizen of the community.
The shooter of the church had taken off, fled in his vehicle, the other gentleman came and
said we need to pursue him. And that’s what I did, I just acted.
Langendorff said he did not know the community member.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...

[Cidersomerset]

I guess I'm not too savvy about this sort of thing but I find
it interesting that the 'Pentagon' is investigating, not the FBI?

I think the Pentagon are investigating what went wrong while he was
in the airforce and the information was not passed to the civil authorities
that Kelley was unfit to own a firearm. The actual criminal proceeding
is being done by civil authorities as far as I know.

It gets complicated as at first it seemed a straightforward tragic domestic
murder spree. But the timing and what is now coming out about his past
and what is transpiring on the Las Vegas thread makes it seems more
than just coincidence that this happened now. We are still looking into
it see LV thread for more details...

=================================================

FBI struggling to unlock Texas gunman's phone

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Published on 9 Nov 2017
Rep. McCaul speaks out on the ongoing technology hurdles facing law enforcement.

[Cidersomerset]

Just saw this on the head line page and shows murderers come in all shapes and
that's not including war atrocities. Millions of souls come and leave this planet
each week , if we are eternal beings this visit is only a blink and if we return
for multiple visits are some of these experience of our own choosing whether
victim or perpetrator ? or is it just pot luck ? that's the eternal question we
are all after and to big to answer here.....just saying.;)


http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/3.21.31/orb/4/img/bbc-blocks-dark.png

Germany serial killer: Niels Hoegel 'killed at least 100'

4 hours ago...9th Nov 2017
From the section Europe



Hoegel is now said to have killed 38 patients in Oldenburg and
62 in Delmenhorst, both in northern Germany, between 1999 and 2005.

read more....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41930177

Top 5 Doctors who Killed their Patients

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLSqPdx12F8

Published on 19 Jun 2014

Top 5 Doctor who Killed their Patients. Doctor are supposed to help people not kill
and murder them. The Doctor Deaths in this video all did.

5. Dr. Adams

John Bodkin Adams was a British medical doctor, a convicted fraudster and a
suspected serial killer. Between 1946 and 1956 a total of 160 of his patients died in
suspicious circumstances. 132 Of those were elderly patients who had added
Adams to their will just before they passed away. He was never found guilty of
murder but we did the math for you...

4. Dr. Shipman

Harold Fredrick Shipman was a British doctor and one of the most prolific serial
killers in recorded history with up to 250 murders being ascribed to him. He killed
his victims and would then forge a new will. Shipman was found guilty of murdering
fifteen patients but an official investigation concluded he has killed at least 200
more. He hung himself in his jail cell in 2004.

3. Dr. Swango

As an intern in 1983, Swango's patients started quietly dying after he had been in
the room with them. He was arrested and served two years of his five year
sentence. After that, he lied his way into another job in the medical field! He killed
some more people before his past caught up with him and he fled to Africa to
become...? A Doctor! After poisoning more patients in Africa, Swango was finally
arrested in 1997 and is serving life now.

2. Dr. Ishii

Shiro Ishii performed medical experiments on people troughout world war 2. His
experiments included forced abortions, simulated strokes, heart attacks, frostbites
and hypothermia. Ishii negotiated to trade the information obtained during his
experiments to the United States in return for his freedom. Some believe he killed
more than 10.000 people...

1. Dr. Mengele

Mengele was the camps's medical officer at Auschwitz-Birkenau, a concentration
camp during world war 2. Mengele operated on people without using anesthesia,
often removing their organs, amputating limbs and sewing twins together to form
monstrous conjoined siblings. He mostly tortured children and twins and the most
sickening fact maybe, is that he succesfully avoided capture until his death in 1979.

===================================================

Another US veteran commits suicide every 65 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln07Dl-8atA

Published on 10 Nov 2017

On Saturday, the United States will observe its annual Veterans’ Day, a celebration
of gratitude and deference to those who’ve served in the armed forces. But all too
often, these same veterans are forgotten, ignored and underserved the other 364
days of the year.

[Hervé]

Case far from being closed... from Jim Stone (http://82.221.129.208/.zu1.html):
The official story of Texas is no longer believable. (http://82.221.129.208/.zu1.html)

It all sounded good at first, and came off as the first time I'd believe the "patsy dead" scenario.

But, now, there is a surviving witness that is saying shots were coming from above, (https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f30_1510151224) and they are going to tear the church down because it is "too stark of a reminder", (http://time.com/5017548/texas-church-shooting-demolished/)just like they tore down the theater the bat man shooting happened in. In the case of the batman shooting, it was because the evidence on scene did not support the official story, just like Vegas.

Throw in odd photos early on that were not showing bullet holes in the doors at first (why would there be bullet holes in the doors anyway) and now doors full of bullet holes, and things are starting to not add up anymore.

It is entirely possible that Texas was a false flag with an additional shooter.

With the way the official story goes - "shooter leaves church, gets shot, wrecks car during pursuit, now dead" it does not leave out the possibility of a second shooter being there, and being unreported.

With a video of a witness saying that is exactly the case it leaves room for suspicion. Even one such witness can destroy an official story.

Whatever happened in Vegas may have gone to Texas.

[Michelle Marie]

This video from the Vegas thread indicates Serco, who he said should have Kelley's dossier, is connected to a Rosthchild & son org. That has bookmakers to place bets on numbers of crime scene victims!

Look at about 4:53 for the exact text:

BTMblIEpFkk

At 2:30 he first explains the connection of Serco and Holloman AFB where Kelley was discharged.

MM

[Tangri]

"and for me the only logical remedy is tolerance"



Yes, and there's no-one who wouldn't admire the sentiment.

But if I was a woman in (say) Sweden, I might not be feeling very tolerant.


You are absolutely right.

When we talk on tolerance, bigotry interferes it's dignity. Like when we are saying "I am objective on that subject", other can find us subjective.

You would've be an Afghani , Iraqi, Libyan even Ecuadorian woman, you might still not be feeling very tolerant on other's behavior or existence.
This is all depend on the vintage point of individuals, Maybe at first we should agree on that , tolerance is compromising one's own personal convenience which we must be ready to accept it.

[Cidersomerset]

Ex-wife of Texas church shooter speaks out about their abusive marriage

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Published on 11 Nov 2017
Tessa Brennaman says she lived in constant fear during her 18-month
marriage to Devin Kelley, saying he had "demons or hatred inside."

[Satori]

Case far from being closed... from Jim Stone (http://82.221.129.208/.zu1.html):
The official story of Texas is no longer believable. (http://82.221.129.208/.zu1.html)

It all sounded good at first, and came off as the first time I'd believe the "patsy dead" scenario.

But, now, there is a surviving witness that is saying shots were coming from above, (https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f30_1510151224) and they are going to tear the church down because it is "too stark of a reminder", (http://time.com/5017548/texas-church-shooting-demolished/)just like they tore down the theater the bat man shooting happened in. In the case of the batman shooting, it was because the evidence on scene did not support the official story, just like Vegas.

Throw in odd photos early on that were not showing bullet holes in the doors at first (why would there be bullet holes in the doors anyway) and now doors full of bullet holes, and things are starting to not add up anymore.

It is entirely possible that Texas was a false flag with an additional shooter.

With the way the official story goes - "shooter leaves church, gets shot, wrecks car during pursuit, now dead" it does not leave out the possibility of a second shooter being there, and being unreported.

With a video of a witness saying that is exactly the case it leaves room for suspicion. Even one such witness can destroy an official story.

Whatever happened in Vegas may have gone to Texas.


I'm having a little trouble with this ladies' depiction of what she says she witnessed.

For instances, how does someone fire a shotgun from the roof of the church into the church? How does one fire a shotgun nonstop for 10 minutes? They typically hold 6-8 rounds. How do shotgun pellets strike the floor in the manner she describes?

A shotgun is, relatively speaking, a close range weapon. It fires pellets that spread out over time and distance. It would be an effective weapon in the church, but no so much on the roof of the church where the victims are inside.

I'm not saying she's being untruthful, because I don't think she is. Perhaps she misspoke when she said shotgun. Or the shooter blasted a hole in the roof and had a special tactical shotgun of some sort. I've seen a machine shotgun, but 10 minutes, or even 1 minute of continuous fire from a shotgun is unlikely.

If she is not mistaken, but rather she is correct, that implies at least one other shooter. Whether the shooter(s) had a shotgun or a rifle or some other weapon makes no difference to the victims, but it does to the investigation.

[Hervé]

[[...]
A shotgun is, relatively speaking, a close range weapon. It fires pellets that spread out over time and distance.
[...]
... unless one is using slugs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun_slug) instead of buckshots (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun_shell#Buckshot)...

[KiwiElf]

During my ongoing monitoring of 4CHAN regarding the "Purge", this popped up (note the timestamp and the message at the bottom; "Look at the first letter of the First word on each line" (screen grab attached - click to enlarge)

FALSE FLAG!
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Insider here Anonymous (US Flag) 11/04/17(Sat)03:58:35 No. 147884535

Fourth of November will be the day that America
Breaks away from the lies
It isn’t antifa nor the Altright that brings.....
It’s going to be glorious to see you rot in hell
So, with this said if I die I died for a just cause
God I can’t believe I’m leaving this hint.
Oh well if I die I die.
It is what it is.
Nothing more nothing less
God for I’m about to die I salute you.
Travesty is for those who never tried.
Overcomers is where the warriors lie
Conquer or die is my motto
After all what is life after death.
Unicorns and fairy’s or Jesus.
Some cowboys like me go out like that.
Echo for eternity king Jesus.
Alapha omega the being and the end.
Fate is for those who are willing to go big.
A man in the fight is far more dangerous then
Legions upon legions of men.
Sound mind is key to this
Echo is all I hear with the gunshots.
Fear is for those who do something dangerously
Legion upon legions is what I’ll be fighting today.
Allegiance to my god and country.
Godspeed anons.

When the first shots are fired later on today, be stoic, be vigilant, be diligent. Get all the information as fast as you can and start putting it together as quickly as you can. An most of all save our country by exposing the shadow government.
Godspeed Anons.
L o o k a t t h e f I r s t l e t t e r o f t h e
F I r s t w o r d o n e a c h l I n e !

Remember Remember the 4th of November.

http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/149579431

36477

[Flash]

F B I - I S - G O I N G - TO - CAUSE - A - FALSE - FLAG

Read the first letter of each line lolllll

However, this does not tell much really, anyone could create such a riddle. Crossword puzzles are much more complex. It was supposed to be on the fourth of november or will be something related to the fourth of November. What happened on the fourth of November?


During my ongoing monitoring of 4CHAN regarding the "Purge", this popped up (note the timestamp and the message at the bottom; "Look at the first letter of the First word on each line" (screen grab attached - click to enlarge)

FALSE FLAG!
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Insider here Anonymous (US Flag) 11/04/17(Sat)03:58:35 No. 147884535

Fourth of November will be the day that America
Breaks away from the lies
It isn’t antifa nor the Altright that brings.....
It’s going to be glorious to see you rot in hell
So, with this said if I die I died for a just cause
God I can’t believe I’m leaving this hint.
Oh well if I die I die.
It is what it is.
Nothing more nothing less
God for I’m about to die I salute you.
Travesty is for those who never tried.
Overcomers is where the warriors lie
Conquer or die is my motto
After all what is life after death.
Unicorns and fairy’s or Jesus.
Some cowboys like me go out like that.
Echo for eternity king Jesus.
Alapha omega the being and the end.
Fate is for those who are willing to go big.
A man in the fight is far more dangerous then
Legions upon legions of men.
Sound mind is key to this
Echo is all I hear with the gunshots.
Fear is for those who do something dangerously
Legion upon legions is what I’ll be fighting today.
Allegiance to my god and country.
Godspeed anons.

When the first shots are fired later on today, be stoic, be vigilant, be diligent. Get all the information as fast as you can and start putting it together as quickly as you can. An most of all save our country by exposing the shadow government.
Godspeed Anons.
L o o k a t t h e f I r s t l e t t e r o f t h e
F I r s t w o r d o n e a c h l I n e !

Remember Remember the 4th of November.

http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/149579431

36477

[KiwiElf]

@ Flash

It's a play on words of the original Guy Fawkes 5th of November warning, (a poem - see graphic below). This guy warned (on the 4th) of a shooting (the next day, the 5th) and, that when it happened, it would be a false flag orchestrated by the FBI. Also notice the "Shadow Government" emblem in his post?

He's exposing them.

36478

(also ties into the warnings of many false flags occurring, since the beginning of November, due to the "Purge of the Cabal") - see here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-A---Very-Bad-Day---Scenario-DoD-exercises-4-6-November

[Satori]

F B I - I S - G O I N G - TO - CAUSE - A - FALSE - FLAG

Read the first letter of each line lolllll

However, this does not tell much really, anyone could create such a riddle. Crossword puzzles are much more complex. It was supposed to be on the fourth of november or will be something related to the fourth of November. What happened on the fourth of November?


During my ongoing monitoring of 4CHAN regarding the "Purge", this popped up (note the timestamp and the message at the bottom; "Look at the first letter of the First word on each line" (screen grab attached - click to enlarge)

FALSE FLAG!
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Insider here Anonymous (US Flag) 11/04/17(Sat)03:58:35 No. 147884535

Fourth of November will be the day that America
Breaks away from the lies
It isn’t antifa nor the Altright that brings.....
It’s going to be glorious to see you rot in hell
So, with this said if I die I died for a just cause
God I can’t believe I’m leaving this hint.
Oh well if I die I die.
It is what it is.
Nothing more nothing less
God for I’m about to die I salute you.
Travesty is for those who never tried.
Overcomers is where the warriors lie
Conquer or die is my motto
After all what is life after death.
Unicorns and fairy’s or Jesus.
Some cowboys like me go out like that.
Echo for eternity king Jesus.
Alapha omega the being and the end.
Fate is for those who are willing to go big.
A man in the fight is far more dangerous then
Legions upon legions of men.
Sound mind is key to this
Echo is all I hear with the gunshots.
Fear is for those who do something dangerously
Legion upon legions is what I’ll be fighting today.
Allegiance to my god and country.
Godspeed anons.

When the first shots are fired later on today, be stoic, be vigilant, be diligent. Get all the information as fast as you can and start putting it together as quickly as you can. An most of all save our country by exposing the shadow government.
Godspeed Anons.
L o o k a t t h e f I r s t l e t t e r o f t h e
F I r s t w o r d o n e a c h l I n e !

Remember Remember the 4th of November.

http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/149579431

36477

Good catch, Flash.