Calling all Man-Made Global Warming Debunkers

[3optic]

I'm in a pitched battle with a close family member over the validity of this issue (I take the "Global Warming is a Hoax" side). She has been reading voraciously about it since the early 90's and even knows scientists including a geologist who lives near her in the mountains. Many a sincere and credible researcher has thrown the weight of their reputation behind This Global Warming theory. It's even posited that it has provoked coming ice age (I know. Double think blah blah blah).

Can anyone recommend sites, researchers (other than Lord Monkton), studies or books debunking this theory?

Much obliged!

[Etherios]

go watch alex jones info ... he has the official UN ppl saying its about population control...

[3optic]

Thanks Etherios. I do look through Infowars archives from time to time. Is it possible that the theory has validity and was simply seized upon by Club of Rome et al as something that would "fit the bill"? In other words: is it being exaggerated, but not entirely fabricated to push Cap & Trade?

[bashi]

Check here for info:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6189-Suppressed-Scientific-Evidence-for-the-coming-Global-Cooling

[Deega]

I'm in a pitched battle with a close family member over the validity of this issue (I take the "Global Warming is a Hoax" side). She has been reading voraciously about it since the early 90's and even knows scientists including a geologist who lives near her in the mountains. Many a sincere and credible researcher has thrown the weight of their reputation behind This Global Warming theory. It's even posited that it has provoked coming ice age (I know. Double think blah blah blah).



Can anyone recommend sites, researchers (other than Lord Monkton), studies or books debunking this theory?

Much obliged!

Hi 3optic,

I have been looking Maurice Cotterell works on the influence of the SUN, great!

If you want to talk about the SUN influence on Earth, he is quite interesting to say the least.

We know that we (people, industries) contribute to the emission of gases like CO2, méthane and other gas, but the SUN seems to have a more significant influence than mankind...!

I have added the web link to his 19 parts presentation, you only have to video to the next.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RXxCvv9cbY

Enjoy!

All my blessings.

Deega

[Humble Janitor]

So, if you don't agree with something, that makes it easy to debunk?

And what would debunking AGW do for you or the planet?

If you remove the "TPTB" and "Al Gore" crap from AGW, you will see (if you still have a shred of sanity left) that it's still quite a serious issue.

[chancy]

Here is a website http://www.weatheraction.com about global weather and great information about how the worlds weather being influenced by the Sun. Pierce Corbyn is an expert on forcasting weather. It's hard to believe that global warming is anything more than a money grab. Check out the global warming debate on this website. There are lots of people that can "debunk" global warming.
Chancy

[3optic]

Janitor, I'm not seeking to debunk, just looking for info specifically dealing with misinformation concerning the Agenda 21 theory either pro or con. If you have insight, by all means share. As it stands, it seems to me the answer to the question as to whether or not there is a hoax being perpetrated is no, but perhaps the data is being exaggerated to promote cap and trade. In answer 'what would it do..?' I have no idea, but it may be useful to know wouldn't you agree?

[Ty]

I've been keeping my head in this debate to varying degrees for over 5 years. Here are some useful links:

junkscience.com
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83323
http://www.infowars.com/climategate-peer-review-system-was-hijacked-by-warming-alarmists/

and to stay current I suggest you subscribe to SEPPs weekly email. www.SEPP.org. Sign up for their TWTW (The Week That Was), a collection of links and opinion on all things climate and energy related.

I've found the simplest argument is to essentially concede the point. Not necessarily that you agree with it but let's just assume human generated CO2 is the primary cause. What do you plan to do about it? Kyoto, if fully implemented and adhered to by all signatories would have only reduced temperature by something like .05 degrees by 2050.

And even if it made a difference, CO2 controls don't work. Kyoto has been a dismal failure in Europe: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/oct/13/europe-kyoto-targets-emissions

So even if humans are the major contributors there is still nothing proposed to date that will make a dent in the "problem."

[HURRITT ENYETO]

Ten Myths about Global Warming http://www.globalwarminghysteria.com/ten-myths-of-global-warming/

[Luke]

Ten Myths about Global Warming http://www.globalwarminghysteria.com/ten-myths-of-global-warming/
Good one!

Those are very good points to make AGW-believer with, trick is doing that without him going into "shutdown mode". Studying cult-deprogramming techniques helps. AGW is not about science, it is about cashing in on guilt.

I found it useful to start with temperature graph that includes Medieval Warm Period, end explaining the Maunder Minimum we are recovering from. Problem is , available data is presented in a way that whitewashes over those, claiming that "data is only viable to Europe" .. which is not the case, as data from Sierra Nevada indicates ( http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/03/17/medieval-warm-period-seen-in-western-usa-tree-ring-fire-scars/ )
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/mwp_graph_compare.gif?w=419&h=307
Compare this to the graph from Wikipedia, from Med Warm Period article:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.png
read this too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.png
The black line that rises above MWP is ... drumroll... (black 1856-2004): Instrumental data was jointly compiled by the w:Climatic Research Unit and the UK Meteorological Office Hadley Centre. .... yes, the climatgate outfit.
Mind, any data can be crunched beyond recognition. .. problem is, people go "emotional" over digested "reports" but never reaching actual data, that tell different story.

Like this one:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Carbon-14_with_activity_labels.png
If this is cyclic, then indeed, another "little" Ice age is possible.. so your friend might be right, for all the wrong reasons :P
There is nothing Man-Made about temperature changes on earth.. it is all tied to solar cycles. What guides those?

PS. I will also add that while you are studying the temp cover-up, some interesting facts about human history pop in, like why the scale of medieval buildings was only matched in XIX century, and what it means to other prevailing pseudoscientific cult called "evolution"

[Harley]

Hey 3optic!

If all else fails, you can always show her this:

(Borrowed from P.A. Thread The coming Global Cooling (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?5944-The-coming-Global-Cooling&highlight=global+cooling))

The 58th Bilderberg Meeting will be held in Sitges, Spain 3 - 6 June 2010.

Here were the orders of talks.


The Conference will deal mainly with Financial Reform, Security, Cyber Technology, Energy, Pakistan, Afghanistan, World Food Problem, Global Cooling, Social Networking, Medical Science, EU-US relations. Approximately 130 participants will attend of whom about two-thirds come from Europe and the balance from North America. About one-third is from government and politics, and two-thirds are from finance, industry, labor, education, and communications. The meeting is private in order to encourage frank and open discussion.
http://myweb.wwu.edu/dbunny/research/global/looming-threat-of-global-cooling.pdf

Might be interesting to hear her explanation on that!

However I hope you realize that once you put her on the defensive You're the one who stands a chance of losing! LOL!

Have A Good Day! :)

[Humble Janitor]

Ten Myths about Global Warming http://www.globalwarminghysteria.com/ten-myths-of-global-warming/

Just a question for folks on here: Will you believe a website over years of scientific data?

[HURRITT ENYETO]

Just a question for folks on here: Will you believe a website over years of scientific data?

Its years of scientific data that completely destroys the man made Global Warming myth.

[Swami]

This fascinated me when I first saw and read it.......

http://rabbithole2.com/presentation/images2/chart1.jpg
http://rabbithole2.com/presentation/images2/chart1.jpg

http://rabbithole2.com/presentation/research.htm



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_GeAy2MCzc

[westhill]

Morning...
Dr. Tim Ball is wonderful!! He's everywhere on YouTube or the net. He is really informed!! Here are two more important sites, http://www.co2science.org/ and http://www.petitionproject.org/index.php. i hope this helps.
Bye for now... westhill

[rgray222]

It makes little difference if you believe in Global Warming or not, the real issue here is whether you want the Governments around the world to tax (control) you based on the weather. All the issues that people discuss regarding 2012 may or may not happen but the weather happens every hour, minute and second of our lives and if governments seize on this in an attempt to globalize and control our lives based on weather we are one big step closer to losing our freedom.

Every thinking person around the world, liberal, conservative or independent understands that we must find an alternative source of energy. Everyone knows that we must move away from fossil fuels and find some source of renewable energy but in the process we must not allow governments or the Powers That Be to control our behavior based on weather!

My point is that we must all think of the broader issue, it is not Global Warming, Global Cooling or Climate Change, it is about what we are willing to give up over weather.

I for one am not willing to let the PTB or the government tell me what I can or can not drive, how I should live or how I should behave over something like weather. Everyone needs to move their thinking beyond weather and understand what is really happening here and what is at stake

[3optic]

It makes little difference if you believe in Global Warming or not, the real issue here is whether you want the Governments around the world to tax (control) you based on the weather.

Thanks, rgray but this is really just a point of view. Someone could make the inverse case just as convincingly. "It makes little difference if you lose your freedom to access energy supplies if there is no human race around enjoy blah blah blah.." I was seeking information on the case for GW and it's detractors. I'm already up on the Cap & Trade scam. This is actually a moot point for the (somewhat hysterical) environmentalists who take the hard line on this subject. In a different context I'm sure we'd agree!

Speaking of point of view, we swing to the opposite polarity:


Just a question for folks on here: Will you believe a website over years of scientific data?

Have you analyzed the data? Crunched the numbers? Someone might say, "Well you can believe this or you can actually look at the science," to which I reply, "Excellent! Show us the science... please." :p