Charles Manson dies aged 83 after four decades in prison....20/11/17

[Cidersomerset]

The crimes were sick but its the context of the times the end of the 1960's was
just as violent and contradictory as today as ' free love and drugs' collided with
war , JFK & other assassinations , Vietnam , MK Ultra , space race etc much like
today as history constantly repeats itself....The documentary below goes into it.


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Charles Manson dies aged 83 after four decades in prison

6 minutes ago
From the section US & Canada...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42016704

short vid on link....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42016704
Charles Manson's followers carried out murders on his orders

Charles Manson, the notorious cult leader who directed his followers to commit a string
of brutal murders, and who became a symbol of the dark side of 1960s counterculture,
has died aged 83.

Manson was admitted to Bakersfield hospital, California earlier this month and died of
natural causes on Sunday.

In 1969, his followers, known as the Manson family, killed seven people.

Among the victims of the killing spree was heavily pregnant Hollywood actress Sharon
Tate, wife of Roman Polanski.

Four other people at her home were also brutally stabbed to death. The next day, a
wealthy couple in Los Angeles were also killed by the clan. The killings became known
collectively as the Tate-LaBianca murders.


read more....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42016704

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Charles Manson dead at 83

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDNEX0IMaRk

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Top 10 Craziest Things Charles Manson Has Ever Said
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcJE04mh39s
Published on 9 Aug 2017
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There are a lot of crazy Charles Manson quotes circulating the internet. The cult
leader of the infamous Manson Family was convicted of the murder of Sharon Tate
and several others, and he’s famous for a kind of Charles Manson philosophy.
Whether he’s talking about Helter Skelter, claiming he never killed anyone or
speaking gibberish, the most bizarre things Charles Manson has ever said are
certainly out there. WatchMojo counts down ten of the weirdest things Charles Manson has said over the years.

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Manson: The Man Who Killed The 60s (History Documentary) - Real Stories


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Published on 10 Nov 2016
The events of the night of 9th August, 1969 changed the face of the ’60s. The
brutal murders of beautiful starlet Sharon Tate and her friends shocked the world,
and when the Manson Family murderers were found, flower-power culture came
under the spotlight. The Family had long hair, took illicit drugs and lived in a
commune. To middle class, right-wing America, they encapsulated everything
threatening about hippiedom. Witness reveals how establishment figures
manipulated the Manson murders to discredit the flower-power generation.
Fascinating archive footage shows the escalating violence of the period and, in a
rare interview from jail, Manson himself recalls the turbulent events that ended the era.

[mgray]

Sometimes the cover of my newspaper makes me smile with the take on the story.

Like today (https://nypost.com/cover/covers-for-november-20-2017/).

[RunningDeer]

Sometimes the cover of my newspaper makes me smile with the take on the story. Like today (https://nypost.com/cover/covers-for-november-20-2017/).

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/reading.gif..............http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/back-forth.gif
http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Dark-Journalist/charles.jpg

[Star Tsar]

Let's hope as he dissolves he evolves in a positive way...

[bluestflame]

we are in " helter skelter revealing, he's no longer needed here

[ghostrider]

I hope in the next life , he evolves past hurting people and decides to help people...

[Daozen]

Loads of chicks liked Charlie, make of that what you will.

[Cidersomerset]

Loads of chicks liked Charlie, make of that what you will.


It was the era of free love and women's lib, he was the classic bad boy with
attitude plus they were drugged up but not stoned in the peaceful hippy way
which was coming to an end.

To understand what happened you have to look what was happening in the
US/world at the time. Today is as bad unfortunately , as we have been witnessing
with recent mass murder and terror events , whether real or manipulated.

For Many, Manson Cult Killings Ended Era of Love

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Published on 20 Nov 2017
In summer 1969, a scruffy ex-convict with a magnetic hold on young women sent
some of his disciples into the night to carry out a series of gruesome killings. In so
doing, Charles Manson became the face of evil on front pages across America. (Nov. 20)




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Sex , Drugs and Rock and Roll , I became aware of this quite young even living
in sleepy somerset I was 12/13 when me and my mates watched David Essex
star in two movies at our local cinema. That'll be the Day and Stardust charting
Jim MacLaine rise and fall of a rock star . Echoing what was going on in the 1960's
and 70's with the many groups and rock stars who were pushing the boundaries
of society . We all knew what was going on with the sex and drug parties , groupies
etc , the comedy was bawdy and things were different as the austerity of the post
WW11 was coming to an end and fashion , expression and many cultural taboos
clashed in a kaleidoscope of rebellious out pouring in all parts of society in Europe
and the US. Even though the cold war was at it height , South East Asia was a blaze
and the Middle East was in deadlock , Northern Ireland and the troubles had
kicked off and the Soviet Union was beginning to shows signs of crumbling.....

All in all it was just as bad as today with the war on terror , North Korea ,
Middle East , Ukraine Russia all tension spots and domestically the US
/UK have political, sexual , financial scandals going on just like the 1960's...

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History does repeat itself.....Of course this is only the tip of the ice burg now and back then...

Los Angeles Police Department Is Cracking Down On Hollywood Sex Crimes | Velshi & Ruhle | MSNBC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVzrKW59X-g
Published on 20 Nov 2017
The Los Angeles Police have announced that they are looking into several cases of
alleged sex crimes within the Hollywood system.

[mojo]

Interesting my feelings in seeing how the media is portraying the evilness aspect and the rotting in hell mantra. I see Charles more a product of a lifetime in prison, in and out of adoption homes, abuse and street living with a short time out of the "system." Not saying he shouldnt pay for what happened but I dont see any unbiased view in the media. The media accused and sentenced Charles and probably influenced the verdict and it's like Charles is the scapegoat for evil.

[Cidersomerset]

MKUltra Operative Charles Manson Dead At 83

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Published on 20 Nov 2017....Info wars...
The notorious murderer and cult leader Charles Manson who orchestrated the
brutal killing of several people and preached about a future apocalyptic race
war died November 19 at the age of 83.

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The Grandfather Of ANTIFA Charles Manson Calls For World Government, 50 Million Dead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJvxKggJg4U

Published on 20 Nov 2017
Alex Jones presents a video where Charles Manson is interviewed, while
detained for his crimes, where he claims he wants one world government,
and it's the only way to solve the world's problems.

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Was it coincidental the murder of heavily pregnant Sharon Tate just a year
after the cult satanic devil worshipping movie directed by her husband Roman
Polanski hit the screens.....


Rosemary's Baby is a 1968 American psychological horror film written and directed
by Roman Polanski, based on the bestselling 1967 novel of the same name by Ira
Levin. The cast features Mia Farrow, John Cassavetes, Ruth Gordon, Sidney
Blackmer, Maurice Evans, Ralph Bellamy, Angela Dorian, Clay Tanner, and, in his
feature film debut, Charles Grodin. The film chronicles the story of a pregnant
woman who suspects that an evil cult wants to take her baby for use in their rituals.

Rosemary's Baby earned almost universal acclaim from film critics and won
numerous nominations and awards. In 2014, the film was selected for preservation
in the National Film Registry by the Library of Congress, being deemed "culturally,
historically, or aesthetically significant."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosemary%27s_Baby_(film)

Sharon Tate Murder Satanic Sacrifice

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Published on 21 Feb 2015
Charles Manson Said That The Tate Murder Done For Roman Polanski Gain.

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Susan Atkins Interview (1976) - Description of Sharon Tate Murder (Manson murder)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q-LiARYmqc
Charles Manson 'disciple' talks candidly about her crimes and time with Manson.
Fraternal Affairs by Morton Bain
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Parole denied for convicted Manson follower Charles 'Tex' Watson

By Matt Hamilton
Oct 27, 2016

A California review board denied parole Thursday to Charles “Tex” Watson, the self-
described right-hand man of Charles Manson and a key figure in the Manson
family’s 1969 killing spree in the Los Angeles area.

Watson, 70, was initially sentenced to die in San Quentin's gas chamber for his part
in the murder of pregnant actress Sharon Tate and six others. In 1973, his
sentence was commuted to life in prison after the state Supreme Court ruled that
the death penalty was unconstitutional.

The panel's decision, reached late Thursday, marks the 17th time that Watson has
been denied parole, according to Luis Patiño, a spokesman for the state
Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. He'll be eligible for parole in five
years.Los Angeles County Dist. Atty. Jackie Lacey condemned Watson after the
parole board's decision was reached.

http://beta.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-watson-manson-parole-20161027-story.html

[neutronstar]

Interesting my feelings in seeing how the media is portraying the evilness aspect and the rotting in hell mantra. I see Charles more a product of a lifetime in prison, in and out of adoption homes, abuse and street living with a short time out of the "system." Not saying he shouldnt pay for what happened but I dont see any unbiased view in the media. The media accused and sentenced Charles and probably influenced the verdict and it's like Charles is the scapegoat for evil.

I was just about to post something similar. We made Charles. His mother was a prostitute, he was raised in the correctional system and then people wonder why he was the way he was. I am not saying he had no choice, but that was one hell of a way to start a life out. I can't say I would have turned out much better. It is the first 7 to 9 years of life that shapes who we are.

[waves]

?
The Tate Murders were a False Flag and the Greatest Unknown Success Story of Project CHAOS
http://mileswmathis.com/tate.pdf

Also, I'm pretty sure there's a very compelling documentary that Miles or someone else did that I can't find again. If someone finds it, please post.

ADDED: Warning of very graphic murder scenes in the pdf whether staged as claimed or real.

[Cidersomerset]

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Charles Manson death: Where are the Family members now?

20 November 2017
From the section US & Canada

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Three female followers were tried alongside Manson: (L-R)
Leslie Van Houten, Susan Atkins and Patricia Krenwinkel

As members of Charles Manson's messianic cult, several
of the so-called Family committed murders at his request.
Mostly young women from middle-class backgrounds, they
were convinced to join his Californian desert commune.

Radicalised by his obsession with an imagined upcoming race
war, Family members would kill nine people in the summer of 1969.

His vision did not materialise, and he and his followers were
tried for their crimes. But where are they now following their
cult leader's death?


read more...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42056252

[Wind]

As Terence McKenna said it, culture is your operating system.

What kind of people does our spiritually lost western culture really create besides broken and dysfunctional humans?

[Cidersomerset]

Opinion writers compare Charles Manson to President Trump

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Published on 21 Nov 2017
'MediaBuzz' host Howard Kurtz explains on 'The Ingraham Angle.'

[waves]

Opinion writers compare Charles Manson to President Trump ...


You mean sore loser leftist opinion writers with oversized noses who for years and years gave all the former leftist presidents a gazillion passes for all their horrid words and actions who are now a relentless year now into obsession with spending their time concocting any way to contribute their arrogant hate, disrespect, and holier than thou loathing of the President while ignoring anything and everything positive whatsoever.... compare Charles Manson to Trump.

But even that title given this clip is misleading because it's not even opinion writers saying anything, it's Fox news talking about the stupid story. But all the way around, repeating any of this has zero value.

Sorry, I'm so sick and tired of this vapid hate rhetoric that's getting very, very old. Nothing more to learn from the haters, we would do more by completely ignoring it all so it fizzles from lack of fuel.

[DouglasDanger]

Charlie was Nobody, the Media made him a Somebody.

[Innocent Warrior]

From Richplanet TV, The Real Charles Manson, Part 1 of 3 -

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Part 2 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m4o0uxPNCwA)

Part 3 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F0jux8FrrgI)

[Cidersomerset]

From Richplanet TV, The Real Charles Manson, Part 1 of 3 -


Thanks Rachel I was just about to post this and its interesting Richard did this show
recently...Its very thought provoking and gives a wider picture of what was going
on around Manson and the context of the times from his early days , prison time,
scientology , drugs , organised crime , corruption ,maffia , prostitutions , celebs
and the music ind.....

The archetypal sex, drugs , rock and roll combined with organised crime and fast
and furious narcotic running, culminating in murder , cults, cover ups and notoriety


'The Real Charles Manson'
Skip to 13:50 for the beginning of the interview with Neil Sanders.

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Published on 1 Nov 2017
On today’s show some brief comments on a few of the recent “terror” attacks and information
about a campaign to remove the Queen from her throne. Richard talks to Neil Sanders about
his latest book, “Now’s The Only Thing That’s Real”, which is a re-examination of the Manson
murders, motives and mythos. Probably one of the most detailed books on the Manson murders,
Neil Sanders reveals how Vincent Bogliosi (the prosecution lawyer) manipulated witnesses,
silenced witnesses and promoted a wholly untrue narrative which was published in the media.
Bogliosi’s fairy tales are responsible for the creation of a mythological version of the person
known as Charles Manson. The truth about Charles Manson is poles apart from the messianic
cult leader he was claimed to be. A “drug dealing criminal and pimp” is a more accurate description.


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But even that title given this clip is misleading because it's not even opinion writers saying anything,
it's Fox news talking about the stupid story. But all the way around, repeating any of this has zero value.


After watching the main five American news outlets daily for the last year its amazing how polarized they
are MSNBC , CNN ,ABC and CBS unashamedly anti Trump and Fox News on the pro side. The article just
shows how ridiculous most of the press are when it comes to the President its not only the news outlets
but comedy , late night shows , daytime like The View and early one like morning Joe virtually everyday
has anti Trump slant on anything they are discussing and comparing him to Manson is just silly and
desperate. It was a throw away segment from Fox but typical of what is going on.

I know you know this but it maybe of interest to some reading the thread......


Mark Steyn standing in for Tucker comments on the Manson/Trump BS....aprox
16mins in....The whole show is surreal as summed up by Mark and his guests...

Tucker Carlson Tonight - Tuesday, November 21 | Border agent's slaying no reason to expand 'bloated'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ1ANDwd8gE
Tucker Carlson Tonight - Tuesday, November 21 2017

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Gutfeld on Newsweek comparing Manson to Trump

Fox News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jblwO3AGygA
Published on 21 Nov 2017
The magazine is now like a sad sideshow attraction.

[Cidersomerset]

Neil Sanders "My New Book Has Startling New
Evidence That Charles Manson Was Just A Patsy!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkU5vnKpywI
Published on 23 Nov 2017...Ritchie Allen....

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Edit : this vid replaces the Ritchie Allen vid above which U'tube pulled....


'The REAL Charles Manson Story' -Author Neil Sanders
Truth Be Told TV

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Published on 12 Aug 2017

Neil Sanders is a qualified hypnotherapist. Neil is considered an expert on the
subject of mind control and has been studying the history of this dark art and its
application by military and government intelligence agencies across the globe for
many years. We talked about the hidden facts of the Infamous Serial Killer Charles
Manson and What were the true motives behind the murders and who was really
involved? There are many books covering this topic, yet very few have broken
through the 'official' tale told by the trial's prosecutors and the news media at the
time. This book includes hundreds of hours of research into court and police
documents, witness statements, media reports and interviews with those involved.
Check Out His Website at neilsandersmindcontrol.com
@OnAirWithTony
FB: Truth Be Told Radio
www.TruthBeToldWebTv.com

[Cidersomerset]

Sage of Quay Radio - Neil Sanders - The Real Charles Manson Story (Aug 2017)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfyUnb-0aqE

Published on 2 Aug 2017
Neil is an expert on the subject of mind control and the techniques used within the
matrix to manipulate the thoughts, beliefs and values of the unsuspecting masses.
Neil discusses his new book which is called Now Is The Only Thing That's Real which
re-exams and revises the Charles Manson story by exposing the powerful players
and motives behind what really happened on August 8, 1969.

Neil's Media:'Now Is The Only Thing That's Real' - https://tinyurl.com/yalzgzft
* http://neilsandersmindcontrol.com/
* https://www.facebook.com/NeilSandersMC
* https://twitter.com/NeilSandersMC
* https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAhY...

[Cidersomerset]

I don't think this will get at the real truth....


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Matt Smith goes from playing Prince Philip to Charles Manson

54 minutes ago


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Matt Smith played the Duke of Edinburgh in Netflix's The Crown

After starring on screen as Doctor Who and Prince Philip, actor Matt Smith's next role will
be as cult leader Charles Manson.The British actor, who played the Duke of Edinburgh in
The Crown, will now portray Manson in a film called Charlie Says, according to Hollywood
Reporter.Manson directed his followers to commit a string of brutal murders in 1969. He
died last November.Charlie Says will focus on three young women who were found guilty
of murder.

The convicted followers were sentenced to death alongside Manson for the infamous
Tate-LaBianca murders. But the death penalty was later lifted in California and they
were sentenced to life imprisonment.Fellow Brit Suki Waterhouse, Game of Thrones'
Hannah Murray and Nurse Jackie and Godless actress Merritt Wever are also among the cast.

The movie will be made by American Psycho director Mary Harron and filming is due to start
in Los Angeles in the spring.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-42963136

[ZoSo925]

That stinks, it's going to be too typical Hollywood. I'm really interested in more details behind Manson and that Water hole near Death Valley desert in Nevada.

I recall reading Manson thought it was a magical hole. It's all closed off now and considered protected land by Fish & Wildlife Service because of the rare fish..etc but I think hole leads to someplace special.

Just on the other side of the mountain range is Ridgecrest California and they have China Lake that is taken up by the Military and Naval Weapons Command Center.

[Merlinus]

How Cult Leader Charles Manson Was Made

Jay returns to Red Ice for an in-depth discussion about Charles Manson. The program is a detailed contextual examination of one of the world’s most nefarious criminals. Jay and Henrik discuss the cult of personality surrounding Manson not as an isolated phenomenon, but as a product of cultic events in London, the American prison system, Scientology, psychological manipulation, drug use, and the military industrial complex.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kDGtAZbJ_Bc

[Cidersomerset]

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Charles Manson death: Grandson to get body

13/3/18

A Californian judge has ended a wrangle over the remains
of death cult leader Charles Manson by awarding custody
to his grandson, US media report.Jason Freeman's claim
to the body of his grandfather, who died in November
while serving his prison sentence, faced numerous challenges.

One man claimed to be Manson's illegitimate son while
another produced a will making him sole beneficiary.Manson's
cult carried out a string of high-profile murders in the 1960s.
Known as the Manson Family, they killed nine people including
the heavily pregnant Hollywood actress Sharon Tate, wife of
Roman Polanski.While the question of the body has been decided,
that of Manson's estate has still to be determined.Victims' rights
advocates fear artefacts relating to the criminal may be sold for
thousands of dollars.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43387229

[Cosmored]

Here's an old radio program that deals with the theory that the Manson Killings were a US government black operation to discredit the counter-culture.

Guns and Butter # 091 Charles Manson & The Crushing of the Counter Culture - Mae Brussell
https://archive.org/details/GunsAndButter091CharlesMansonTheCrushingOfTheCounterCultureMaeBrussell

The counter-culture was figuring out the truth about the Vietnam war and were spreading the word.

https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/chomskyin1282.html
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Q: When the Indochina war ended in 1975 you wrote that our nation's "official" opinion makers would engage in distortion of the lessons to be drawn from the war so that the same basic foreign policy goals could be pursued after the war. You felt then that in order to keep the real meaning of the war from penetrating the general public they faced two major tasks: First, they would have to disguise the fact that the war "was basically an American attack on South Vietnam -- a war of annihilation that spilled over to the rest of Indochina". And secondly, they would have to obscure the fact that the military effort in Vietnam "was restrained by a mass movement of protest and resistance here at home which engaged in effective direct action outside the bounds of propriety long before established spokesmen proclaimed themselves to be its leaders". Where do we stand now on these two issues--seven years later?
Chomsky: As far as the opinion makers are concerned, they have been doing exactly what it was obvious they would do. Every book that comes out, every article that comes out, talks about how -- while it may have been a "mistake" or an "unwise effort" -- the United States was defending South Vietnam from North Vietnamese aggression. And they portray those who opposed the war as apologists for North Vietnam. That's standard to say.
The purpose is obvious: to obscure the fact that the United States did attack South Vietnam and the major war was fought against South Vietnam. The real invasion of South Vietnam which was directed largely against the rural society began directly in 1962 after many years of working through mercenaries and client groups. And that fact simply does not exist in official American history. There Is no such event in American history as the attack on South Vietnam. That's gone. Of course, It Is a part of real history. But it's not a part of official history.
And most of us who were opposed to the war, especially in the early 60's -- the war we were opposed to was the war on South Vietnam which destroyed South Vietnam's rural society. The South was devastated. But now anyone who opposed this atrocity is regarded as having defended North Vietnam. And that's part of the effort to present the war as if it were a war between South Vietnam and North Vietnam with the United States helping the South. Of course it's fabrication. But it's "official truth" now.
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People were learning about American imperialism and the true motives for the Vietnam war and other interventions.
http://www.michaelparenti.org/Imperialism101.html
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By "imperialism" I mean the process whereby the dominant politico-economic interests of one nation expropriate for their own enrichment the land, labor, raw materials, and markets of another people.
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North American and European corporations have acquired control of more than three-fourths of the known mineral resources of Asia, Africa, and Latin America.
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Of the various notions about imperialism circulating today in the United States, the dominant view is that it does not exist. Imperialism is not recognized as a legitimate concept, certainly not in regard to the United States. One may speak of "Soviet imperialism" or "nineteenth-century British imperialism" but not of U.S. imperialism. A graduate student in political science at most universities in this country would not be granted the opportunity to research U.S. imperialism, on the grounds that such an undertaking would not be scholarly. While many people throughout the world charge the United States with being an imperialist power, in this country persons who talk of U.S. imperialism are usually judged to be mouthing ideological blather.
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Whether it was a black op or not, it had the desired effect; a lot of people started to be afraid of hippy-looking people.

Is there any direct evidence that those people were killed by Manson's friends? How do we know the killers weren't a bunch of CIA agents?

[Luke Holiday]

http://mileswmathis.com/tate.pdf

… he makes one hell of a case....


be well

Luke

[Gracy]

Whether it was a black op or not, it had the desired effect; a lot of people started to be afraid of hippy-looking people.

Is there any direct evidence that those people were killed by Manson's friends? How do we know the killers weren't a bunch of CIA agents?

It's pretty certain they did do it. What's a bit fuzzy is how Charlie and his cult were fostered along, kept out of jail and such, thus ultimately allowing the murders that made hippies scary.

Tom O'Neil is a rich resource on all things Manson:
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The full interview for anyone with the time and inclination. Well worth it:
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[araucaria]

http://mileswmathis.com/tate.pdf

… he makes one hell of a case....


be well

Luke
Well, I have a few issues with Miles Mathis. See this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94924-Some-anomalies-in-the-Miles-Mathis-material-an-alternative-picture&p=1119681&viewfull=1#post1119681).

[pigsy2400]

One of the best questions I have seen asked in regards to this and a detail many dont pick up on either.

I think they were tested on, potentially with LSD. If you wanted a similar case, all you have to look at is the Patty Hearst Case - and the MK people involved in that too.

The link to the previous post and the Tate False Flag, is interesting too - particularly as it states that Esalen was the center of LSD. Esalen was also the genesis for modern ufology too, if you look at who attended and met there.

[norman]

I'm no Manson/Hurst murder expert, SO . . . . . maybe none of this is news to others, but this interview with Neil Sanders is packed with details I had no idea about. He has a new book out, hence the interview.

Truth Be Told - The REAL Charles Manson Story (https://podbay.fm/p/truth-be-told-81154/e/1688784623)
49 minutes - Posted Jul 8, 2023

SHOW NOTES
Neil Sanders is a qualified hypnotherapist. Neil is considered an expert on the subject of mind control and has been studying the history of this dark art and its application by military and government intelligence agencies across the globe for many years. We talked about the hidden facts of the Infamous Serial Killer Charles Manson and What were the true motives behind the murders and who was really involved? There are many books covering this topic, yet very few have broken through the 'official' tale told by the trial's prosecutors and the news media at the time. This book includes hundreds of hours of research into court and police documents, witness statements, media reports and interviews with those involved. Check Out His Website at neilsandersmindcontrol.com