Hypnotherapy: the Pros and Cons

[avatar]

Can someone please tell me the negative consequences of hypnotherapy. I have been told not to use it, but never told exactly why. Is it because they can "program" you when you are in that state? Is it like Richard Allan Miller saying Remote Viewing is bad because you can become what you are viewing? (Paraphrasing what he said) Thanking you in advance!

[guyres]

Can someone please tell me the negative consequences of hypnotherapy. I have been told not to use it, but never told exactly why. Is it because they can "program" you when you are in that state? Is it like Richard Allan Miller saying Remote Viewing is bad because you can become what you are viewing? (Paraphrasing what he said) Thanking you in advance!

Hypnotherapy is like a hammer you can use it for good or bad reason, it depend on the therapist... So you can get hypnotherapy without negative consequences.

[petra]

Can someone please tell me the negative consequences of hypnotherapy. I have been told not to use it, but never told exactly why. Is it because they can "program" you when you are in that state? Is it like Richard Allan Miller saying Remote Viewing is bad because you can become what you are viewing? (Paraphrasing what he said) Thanking you in advance!

The way I see it, anything messing around with your "will" or your "control" just does not seem like a good idea. I have no concrete reason why, just going off intuition. Anything that makes you "black out" or "go into a trance" I try to stay away from.

[misbis]

Can someone please tell me the negative consequences of hypnotherapy. I have been told not to use it, but never told exactly why. Is it because they can "program" you when you are in that state? Is it like Richard Allan Miller saying Remote Viewing is bad because you can become what you are viewing? (Paraphrasing what he said) Thanking you in advance!

The way I see it, anything messing around with your "will" or your "control" just does not seem like a good idea. I have no concrete reason why, just going off intuition. Anything that makes you "black out" or "go into a trance" I try to stay away from.

May be you have a point here.

[guyres]

Just to underscore the important point, neither Will nor I use hypnosis of any kind.

So what hypnosis is about, how could a person be vaccinate from that ? from self-hypnosis to hetero-hypnosis, who can live outside ?






Mod note from Bill: thanks, but please edit your post so that it's easier to understand in English! At the moment, I do NOT know what the questions are that you're asking. (Write it in French as well, if you like, and then others who are bilingual will be happy to assist.)


Sorry Bill a make it to short, I'm fussy with words...

To be under hypnosis is to be in a state of modified consciousness, everyone goes there every day, driving, listening to music, watching a movie, and so on.

Unfortunately people have an epinal image of hypnosis ...

So the question was: can anyone live without a modified state of consciousness, at least from time to time?

Let me answer no. So I think Bill like everyone uses or is used by hypnosis of one kind or another.

To go forward, meditation is a kind of self-hypnosis, and with other people (music, therapist) it's hetero-hypnosis.

just to clarify, not for simplicity, you know it or not I'm a hypnotherapist, it's my job. And words do not allow real communication, so it's complicated not to simplify.

[neutronstar]

Just to underscore the important point, neither Will nor I use hypnosis of any kind.

So what hypnosis is about, how could a person be vaccinate from that ? from self-hypnosis to hetero-hypnosis, who can live outside ?






Mod note from Bill: thanks, but please edit your post so that it's easier to understand in English! At the moment, I do NOT know what the questions are that you're asking. (Write it in French as well, if you like, and then others who are bilingual will be happy to assist.)


Sorry Bill a make it to short, I'm fussy with words...

To be under hypnosis is to be in a state of modified consciousness, everyone goes there every day, driving, listening to music, watching a movie, and so on.

Unfortunately people have an epinal image of hypnosis ...

So the question was: can anyone live without a modified state of consciousness, at least from time to time?

Let me answer no. So I think Bill like everyone uses or is used by hypnosis of one kind or another.

To go forward, meditation is a kind of self-hypnosis, and with other people (music, therapist) it's hetero-hypnosis.

just to clarify, not for simplicity, you know it or not I'm a hypnotherapist, it's my job. And words do not allow real communication, so it's complicated not to simplify.

I'll add to that.

There are 4 brainwave states, Beta(waking state), Alpha(mild hypnotic), Theta(deep hypnotic), and Delta(Deep sleep).

If you are looking at a screen right now you are more than likely in the Alpha state. People cannot stay in the beta state while looking at a screen of any sort,that is why advertising on tv is so effective, it is a form of hypnosis. Small children spend all there waking state in alpha, they never reach beta.

We move from different BW states threw out the day. It is the deep states, Theta and Delta that are most effective, but everyone enters those states as well every day. Hypnosis is just a term that most people don't really understand. When you do understand it, it can be used effectively to deprogram damage that was done earlier in life. From the moment you were born your programming begun threw hypnotic states mostly. It made our personalities.

[Hervé]

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... let me re-iterate something already posted on this thread (here) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=1188787#post1188787):

Regarding hypnosis, hypnotists and hypnotherapists:


Jack True was one of the most innovative hypnotherapists of our time.

Largely unknown in academic circles, uninterested in publishing his work, Jack focused on his patients.

We met in 1987. We became friends and colleagues.

Over the course of several years, I interviewed him many times.

Jack eventually gave up on straight hypnosis-and-suggestion as a way to do therapy.

He said,

"I’m finding that people who come to my office are already in a hypnotic state, so my job is to wake them up."

Jon Rappoport
From: The Interviews with Jack True (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_consciousuniverse280.htm)
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So, why would Jack consider his "patients" being already under an hypnotic trance?

Simply because they call on him to regain control over something they have no control over and are guided through life by some sort of unconscious post hypnotic command/order/suggestion.

Hence Jack's goal of "waking them up"... not by piling another hypnotic command/order/suggestion on top of their unconscious ones, but by helping them to consciously unravel their unconscious content, from where the "No Hypnosis used" distinction.

And, rather than classifying it under "self-hypnosis" it rather falls under the "Self-de-hypnosis" department since it is not one's unconscious content that's driving the subject's life and behaviour but, to the contrary, it is the conscious individual who digs his/her own unconscious content out into the open light for examination.

I hope this helps clarify the matter a bit better :)

[Hervé]

Can someone please tell me the negative consequences of hypnotherapy. I have been told not to use it, but never told exactly why. Is it because they can "program" you when you are in that state? Is it like Richard Allan Miller saying Remote Viewing is bad because you can become what you are viewing? (Paraphrasing what he said) Thanking you in advance!

The way I see it, anything messing around with your "will" or your "control" just does not seem like a good idea. I have no concrete reason why, just going off intuition. Anything that makes you "black out" or "go into a trance" I try to stay away from.
Some wind to your sails from the wisdom of the Gypsies of old:


Something to take into consideration with regards to hypnosis:

Here are the words from a very old oral tradition echoed to the ears of an apprentice to the Gypsy tradition (Pierre Derlon, Voyage au delà du Mental):



“Never in my life have I ever used hypnosis as my masters constantly repeated to me that what destroys Man’s will, destroys Man. Hypnosis destroys consciousness of motion and therefore massacres personality. For hypnosis is to a man’s brain what drug is to his body: a poison which, by killing his will, enslaves his soul into only perceiving lies.

“The difference between drugs and mental disciplines is that drugs kill; whereas, whichever ascetic discipline chosen, it strengthens/empowers. Man is prisoner of drugs, he is the master of the disciplines he subjects his body to in order to free his spirit from the gangue he is prisoner of.

"Man is ignorant of the fact that he is both a machine as well as its mechanics. He distances himself from nature and resorts to artifice. Artifice slowly kills him."

[Valerie Villars]

Hi,

This is my first post. I feel I am qualified to speak on this subject, as my great-grandfather was a hypnotist by trade. His name was P.J. de Lesseps and as a little girl, I used to go to demonstrations of his, in New Orleans, which were often quite large.

He used my mother as a subject because she was susceptible to suggestion. He always refused to hypnotize my sister and me. I was never sure why.

Now, he was a kind man, who used his skills to do past life regressions, help people stop smoking and to lose weight, etc.

However, years later, my mother's sessions came back to haunt her, so to speak.

After six months to a year of spiritual targeting and my awakening experience, my mother was diagnosed with stage four cancer and had months to live. I had always noticed odd glitches in her behavior and things that seemed out of synch, mostly regarding her attitude to me.

However, it didn't hit home until she was ill and I and some others began to notice she seemed to be in some kind of weird trance upon occasion, always when her (I now believe psychopathic) boyfriend was around. He would lean in, massage her temple with his fingers and whisper in her ear. She would get a programmed look on her face and blank out.

In other words, I believe (know) the boyfriend had accidently or purposely triggered a hypnotic state and had been using it on her for years, to drain her bank accounts, get her to do his bidding and turn her away from me and my siblings.

It was quite in our faces and noticed by other members of the family, who are not into the esoteric side of things.

In that respect, in can be very dangerous in the wrong hands.

[Feritciva]

However, years later, my mother's sessions came back to haunt her, so to speak.

After six months to a year of spiritual targeting and my awakening experience, my mother was diagnosed with stage four cancer and had months to live. I had always noticed odd glitches in her behavior and things that seemed out of synch, mostly regarding her attitude to me.





I found above part very very interesting because some people I know experienced similar problems after different energy techniques sessions. I began to question if ALL of the energy methods has been "contaminated" or not? Does anyone have similar observations?

[avatar]

Further research found an article on the Dangers of Hypnotism by Max Heindel (a Rosicrucian). He starts out by saying "To control others by the exercise of will power is mental assault..." and goes on from there. He indicates the hypnotist is "wire-tapping" the lines of communication between the Ego and the body of his victim, and it goes downhill from there. Just a heads up...

[petra]

The fact that hypnosis is even possible is telling of our mechanical nature. I've been trying to decide what's the point of it, and my guess so far is that it's some kind of precaution.

[petra]

Further research found an article on the Dangers of Hypnotism by Max Heindel (a Rosicrucian). He starts out by saying "To control others by the exercise of will power is mental assault..." and goes on from there. He indicates the hypnotist is "wire-tapping" the lines of communication between the Ego and the body of his victim, and it goes downhill from there. Just a heads up...

Oskar Bernhardt calls hypnotism "a crime against the spirit" in his book "in the Light of Truth". Ref: http://www.abdrushin.us/in-the-light-of-truth/grail-message-by-abdrushin-035.php

Mind you this is a chanelled book, and to be taken with lots of grains of salt!

The point he's trying to get across rings true with me though - that this can make a permanent link. He describes it like chains.

[Valerie Villars]

I know for my great grandfather, based on knowing him and reading his self published books, that that what he was really pushing was Self Hypnosis in the form of getting rid of phobias, fears, negative behaviours, etc. and must have found out the dangers of it in between our formative years and the teenage years, when he was adamant NOT to hypnotize us. He was totally in private practice at that point and gave no demonstrations, etc.

He must have found something out by then, about the negative aspects (he was born in 1900). It was a "new" science when he became interested and he was very, very french.

The same as all the whistleblowers; be careful what you are fooling around with; generally it's part of a bigger picture of which you know nothing.

[Hervé]

Interesting... because another French guy of the same era ended up concluding a very similar thing:


Émile Coué (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89mile_Cou%C3%A9)

http://www.psychomaster.com/books/emile/

http://nsm04.casimages.com/img/2010/11/11//101111092147544507099532.jpg

(1857-1926) Émile Coué, a physician formulated the Laws of Suggestion. He is also known for encouraging his patients to say to themselves 20-30 times each night before going to sleep, “Everyday in every way, I am getting better and better”. He also discovered that when giving patients their medicine and delivering positive suggestion at the same time, proved to be a more effective cure than prescribing medicine alone. He eventually abandoned hypnosis in favour of just using positive suggestion and he thought that the hypnotic state impaired the efficiency of the suggestion.

[...]

[Valerie Villars]

Herve, you are right on. Same time period. My great grandparents had a LOT of personal integrity and were so artistic and forgiving. I mean they used to have parties with artists, musicians, strippers. But, very, very classy, non judgemental, curious, accepting. He was an artist, a musician, etc.. I know he lived in integrity. All these "arts"; there are non integrally bad, depending on the will and intent of the user.

[guyres]

Reply or not respond to this post, google translation will help me a little.
It seems that the judgment of hypnosis and hypnotherapy has already been made, which is easier than really to be interested in it.
But what about psychotherapy? This word coined by Hyppolyte Bernheim in 1891 which means: a therapeutic treatment by hypnotic suggestion.
Rather agree with Neutronstar, although the divisions of the trance states are just details, as could the different ways of inducing this trance.
To make it even simpler, hypnosis is just a tool (in psychotherapy) that helps the patient to become aware of the origin of his or her behaviors and then to pierce the bound emotional pocket, just to be lighter.
To repeat myself a little we can not stay away from hypnosis or states of modified consciousness, it's natural like air or water.
But indeed we can demonize hypnosis, guided by our fears and belief systems.

[Hervé]

There may be some confusion between "Hypnosis" and "modified state of consciousness."

To me, hypnosis results into the production of “Toilet Flushers (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59804-My-Almost-Zero-Success-At-Awakening-People-Advice-Needed&p=683950&viewfull=1#post683950)” which is usually obtained by fixing the subject's attention onto something: voice and/or object and which is different than strengthening and expanding the range of one's conscious awareness.

In the first case the agreement to surrender the control of one's thoughts and actions to someone else is forged and branded; whereas the latter is a conscious effort to increase one's awareness by investigating obscure realms while being in a full waking state.

Where the mistake is made, I think, is to call/label the state attained by either state, "Deep Trance." Because one state is indeed a deep hypnotic trance whereas the latter is rather a "Deep level of conscious awareness" though the "brain wave pattern" appears to look the same.

[Flash]

You are right Hervé in your actual definition. The results of conscious awareness trance versus hypnotic trance are exactly what you describe. From my experience of both states and from my basic training in hypnotism.

However, there is in their application a difference: hypnotism can quite easily be induced in a majority of people without their agreement. Television is one of those inductive tools. A good hypnotist can stand in front of a classroom for example and inducce a trance in the majority of the students for them to learn better for example, None of those student is aware of being in trance, but when you observe them, they will have all the physical caracteristics of trance (low muscle tone, mouth slighlty open, etc).

Now, if we extrapolate, just imagine what can be done with ultra sophisticated techniques the army or secret services have and with their electronic tools.


There may be some confusion between "Hypnosis" and "modified state of consciousness."

To me, hypnosis results into the production of “Toilet Flushers (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59804-My-Almost-Zero-Success-At-Awakening-People-Advice-Needed&p=683950&viewfull=1#post683950)” which is usually obtained by fixing the subject's attention onto something: voice and/or object and which is different than strengthening and expanding the range of one's conscious awareness.

In the first case the agreement to surrender the control of one's thoughts and actions to someone else is forged and branded; whereas the latter is a conscious effort to increase one's awareness by investigating obscure realms while being in a full waking state.

Where the mistake is made, I think, is to call/label the state attained by either state, "Deep Trance." Because one state is indeed a deep hypnotic trance whereas the latter is rather a "Deep level of conscious awareness" though the "brain wave pattern" appears to look the same.

[wnlight]

Someone posted in this thread that hypnotism and meditation are the same. Let me tell you why I disagree with this. A hypnotist will generally control the subjects focus of attention. The attention is usually narrowed to the hypnotist or to an object or to another person that the hypnotist chooses. The subject becomes totally unaware of his/her surroundings. The hypnotist may replace the actual surroundings with another fictional environment of choice. The hypnotist may remove or add the sensations of real pain in the human body. This has been my experience as a hypnotist.

Meditation is quite different in this respect. When meditating, I am aware of all of my surroundings. This is how meditation is taught. I will add that my awareness of my environment is actually enhanced while in a meditative state. I can normally go in and out of a meditative state, at my will, as necessary, even to respond to others. Let me add that 'guided' meditation is different. When one adds in a leader or a controller who is the guide, then it is is more like hypnosis. I will sometimes use a self-guided script of my own. But I will not ever use a meditation CD. I do not know and cannot trust the person who created that CD.

Now, I have a question: When hypnotizing a subject, what state does the hypnotist enter? I suspect that to succeed, the hypnotist must enter a kind of reflective state of enhanced concentration. Perhaps a state of communication is established at some higher, non-verbal level that is not noticed by either party at the time. Perhaps this state is only noticed as a rapport. Perhaps some beneficial, or worse, some evil intentions can be communicated over this channel.

[guyres]

In hypnotherapy the therapist must induce a modified state of consciousness, more or less deep according to need and practice. From my point of view there is no confusion between hypnosis and modified state of consciousness, the two are intimately linked. In therapeutic work the practitioner is there to help and not to manipulate or implant the spirit of the subject. Yet it seems that in the minds of many here the word "hypnosis" is associated with bad things. Hypnosis is neither good nor bad, it is what we do with who makes the difference.

As a Chinese proverb says, "experience is a comb for bald people". So, I'm the guy who has been practicing hypnosis for 15 years and helping nearly a thousand people get better. But after all, what do I know about hypnosis?

This is not to be irreverent, but there is no black hypnosis VS white self-awareness expansion.

Finally please excuse me for saying without filter what I think, perhaps because this subject particularly affects me, because it is one of the few things that I studied a lot and continues to study every day.

It is rare that I speak on the forum, but here I do not agree with the majority of things written here on the subject, which seemed to me to be hypnotherapy and not mental manipulation. Of course hypnosis allows both and much more.

Once again, it is the words and their interpretations to each individual that lead us into useless comparisons. Most people do not know what hypnosis is, and I do not know anything about mechanics or football.

Forgive my impertinence, my pride and my lack of humility on the subject.

[neutronstar]

In hypnotherapy the therapist must induce a modified state of consciousness, more or less deep according to need and practice. From my point of view there is no confusion between hypnosis and modified state of consciousness, the two are intimately linked. In therapeutic work the practitioner is there to help and not to manipulate or implant the spirit of the subject. Yet it seems that in the minds of many here the word "hypnosis" is associated with bad things. Hypnosis is neither good nor bad, it is what we do with who makes the difference.

As a Chinese proverb says, "experience is a comb for bald people". So, I'm the guy who has been practicing hypnosis for 15 years and helping nearly a thousand people get better. But after all, what do I know about hypnosis?

This is not to be irreverent, but there is no black hypnosis VS white self-awareness expansion.

Finally please excuse me for saying without filter what I think, perhaps because this subject particularly affects me, because it is one of the few things that I studied a lot and continues to study every day.

It is rare that I speak on the forum, but here I do not agree with the majority of things written here on the subject, which seemed to me to be hypnotherapy and not mental manipulation. Of course hypnosis allows both and much more.

Once again, it is the words and their interpretations to each individual that lead us into useless comparisons. Most people do not know what hypnosis is, and I do not know anything about mechanics or football.

Forgive my impertinence, my pride and my lack of humility on the subject.

I understand what you are feeling. I don't want to insult anybody in this thread but the ignorance about hypnosis and hypnotic states is overflowing. Everyone on this forum is under a mild state of hypnosis when your here. Understand brainwave states, there are only four and 3 of them are hypnotic states. Most people are in hypnotic states more in a day then they are in a complete aware state.

[Foxie Loxie]

Your avatar wakes us up, neutronstar!! :fear:

:pound:

[neutronstar]

Your avatar wakes us up, neutronstar!! :fear:

:pound:

Actually, my avatar is what you would look like if you never went into a hypnotic state during the day. lol

[Flash]

Don’t feel annoyed or anything in fact about what we say on hypnotism. We all have our experiences with it somehow and those i had in therapy context were always good and worthwhile. But those i had in front of the tv screen weren’t always good.

Our thinking and brains are creators. Guess what we create when we soak ourselves in hypnotic trance inducing horror movies.

If you have been using hypnosis for so long, you would surely be a wonderful contributor here on this thread.


In hypnotherapy the therapist must induce a modified state of consciousness, more or less deep according to need and practice. From my point of view there is no confusion between hypnosis and modified state of consciousness, the two are intimately linked. In therapeutic work the practitioner is there to help and not to manipulate or implant the spirit of the subject. Yet it seems that in the minds of many here the word "hypnosis" is associated with bad things. Hypnosis is neither good nor bad, it is what we do with who makes the difference.

As a Chinese proverb says, "experience is a comb for bald people". So, I'm the guy who has been practicing hypnosis for 15 years and helping nearly a thousand people get better. But after all, what do I know about hypnosis?

This is not to be irreverent, but there is no black hypnosis VS white self-awareness expansion.

Finally please excuse me for saying without filter what I think, perhaps because this subject particularly affects me, because it is one of the few things that I studied a lot and continues to study every day.

It is rare that I speak on the forum, but here I do not agree with the majority of things written here on the subject, which seemed to me to be hypnotherapy and not mental manipulation. Of course hypnosis allows both and much more.

Once again, it is the words and their interpretations to each individual that lead us into useless comparisons. Most people do not know what hypnosis is, and I do not know anything about mechanics or football.

Forgive my impertinence, my pride and my lack of humility on the subject.

[Mike]

I had a hypnosis session once. I can't even recall why I did it. I was young and depressed and just beginning my exploration into the unconventional. Curiosity was driving me most likely.

The OP asks what are the potential dangers or drawbacks of hypnosis. For me the drawback was being $75 lighter in my wallet. I got nothing out of it. It was a joke. I don't know if I felt bad for the hypnotist or if I just wanted to avoid any awkwardness, but I just made stuff up for about 30 mins to get thru the session. I cut the thing short because i'd exhausted my imagination.

I really don't like playing the cynic. But all I can do is go on my experience. And the experience of all the people I've known that have been hypnotized to quit smoking, which almost never works. I feel that there are very very few effective hypnotists, just like there are very very few effective psychics. The odds of a favorable experience are slim.

[Valerie Villars]

I would like to say I do not believe hypnosis is a negative thing, unless it gets used by someone with negative intentions. In my mother's case, someone figured out she was highly susceptible (which is really the key; all love and blessings to her) and used it against her.

Some people are more easily hacked than others. Hypnosis has many good uses also. Just like drugs to perform a painful surgery so the patient can stand it. Some use drugs to gain power and control over another. That is pure manipulation and deception. It is really only negative when the conscious will of the person is overpowered by someone with ill intent.

[Tam]

Just to underscore the important point, neither Will nor I use hypnosis of any kind.

So what hypnosis is about, how could a person be vaccinate from that ? from self-hypnosis to hetero-hypnosis, who can live outside ?






Mod note from Bill: thanks, but please edit your post so that it's easier to understand in English! At the moment, I do NOT know what the questions are that you're asking. (Write it in French as well, if you like, and then others who are bilingual will be happy to assist.)


Sorry Bill a make it to short, I'm fussy with words...

To be under hypnosis is to be in a state of modified consciousness, everyone goes there every day, driving, listening to music, watching a movie, and so on.

Unfortunately people have an epinal image of hypnosis ...

So the question was: can anyone live without a modified state of consciousness, at least from time to time?

Let me answer no. So I think Bill like everyone uses or is used by hypnosis of one kind or another.

To go forward, meditation is a kind of self-hypnosis, and with other people (music, therapist) it's hetero-hypnosis.

just to clarify, not for simplicity, you know it or not I'm a hypnotherapist, it's my job. And words do not allow real communication, so it's complicated not to simplify.

I speak French fluently, so I can translate if need be. Just PM me, I suppose, and I'll help whenever I'm online :)

[guyres]

Many people come to hypnosis out of curiosity to say I did it, I know... My last daughter at age 6 asked me why she had to go back to school, she knew she had been there for two days in a row.
From my point of view you can not try hypnosis, once, it's like doing a bike once or driving once, how can you get an opinion with so little. By taking into account the changes in beliefs throughout a lifetime, one can not stop at a judgment of a past or past ego.
Again, here we are talking about hypnotherapy and not hypnotism or mental programming.
For a long time, this "technique(s)" has been misled in the eyes of the general public by cinema and show hypnotism, making it manipulative, simplistic or caricatural and whimsical.
Mike feel that there are very very few effective hypnotists, I am ok whit that, hypnotist are who make the show, like illusionist. Let's talk about therapy not entertaiment.

[guyres]

The most negative point of hypnotherapy is the reputation and beliefs that people have about hypnosis. Many would just like to fall asleep and be saved, without really questioning themselves. Without taking into account their total responsibility. This is why the deep trance is very rarely indicated, the subjects must remember the session to understand and eventually change.

[Flash]

The most negative point of hypnotherapy is the reputation and beliefs that people have about hypnosis. Many would just like to fall asleep and be saved, without really questioning themselves. Without taking into account their total responsibility. This is why the deep trance is very rarely indicated, the subjects must remember the session to understand and eventually change.

C'est vrai, la Réunion, c'est francophone! j'avais oublié (je suis canadienne, pardonne-moi lol)

I saw good hypnotherapists and bad ones, one that I remember, was a psychologist who was supposed to be trained in psychotherapy and truly did not have the hang ot it, it was almost funny because I knew I could be hypnotised but gosh...

Another one that I remember, we were discussing and slowly I realised I am slipping in trance - remembered everything as you said, but the trance was quite deep. She also was a good analyst, so this gave some results, amongst other making me realise that my husband was constantly, I mean constantly, putting me down, in words, in gesture, in thinking. My daughter was an infant at the time and I did not want to divorce because of that, but it was surely a triggering time for later divorce.

The drawbacks I saw are the possibility of implementing biaises and the therapist view of the world or his presumptions on the problems, therefore leading the client, instead of letting the client name whatever the client sees, without leading. There has been cases of false incest accusations based on leading therapists for example. Therefore, whenever I use some of these techniques, I am always very careful in judging the sanity and approaches of the therapist.

To me, hypnotic trance versus meditation or other types of trance is quite different. The feeling of it is different, and I would not say at all that meditation has anything to do with hypnotism, on the contrary, meditation brings clarity while in all heightened awareness.

[aoibhghaire]

I only ever had a one off experience with a hypnotherapist.
I’m not sure what this means within a session of this nature,
but it had to finish abruptly because of the consequences affecting the hypnotherapist.

The reason I went to one is because I had a significant experience and wanted to know
what happened to me. I’m not going through all the experiential details here such as
the background and lead up to the event.

It was the time when I went through a ‘portal’ which was witnessed.
Then later I started 'teleporting' which was also witnessed.

When the hypnotherapist was in the early stages of my experience,
trying to extract information of what happened, then something dramatic
happened to the hypnotherapist.

The hypnotherapist started to profusely spurt blood from their nose.
The hypnotherapist had to rush urgently to get tissues.
This went on for about 2 minutes. The hypnotherapist then decided
to not go on any further with the session because of the consequences
to the well being of the hypnotherapist. I also felt there was no point
going on further with hypnosis. I didn't know what all this meant.
Was the hypnotherapist prevented from extracting information. I have no idea.

Regarding the Pros and Cons, I don’t know how this leaves me with my
relationship with future hypnotherapists. Since then I have decided to forget about
having any hypnosis.

[guyres]

I saw good hypnotherapists and bad ones, one that I remember, was a psychologist who was supposed to be trained in psychotherapy and truly did not have the hang ot it, it was almost funny because I knew I could be hypnotised but gosh...

Another one that I remember, we were discussing and slowly I realised I am slipping in trance - remembered everything as you said, but the trance was quite deep. She also was a good analyst, so this gave some results, amongst other making me realise that my husband was constantly, I mean constantly, putting me down, in words, in gesture, in thinking. My daughter was an infant at the time and I did not want to divorce because of that, but it was surely a triggering time for later divorce.

The drawbacks I saw are the possibility of implementing biaises and the therapist view of the world or his presumptions on the problems, therefore leading the client, instead of letting the client name whatever the client sees, without leading. There has been cases of false incest accusations based on leading therapists for example. Therefore, whenever I use some of these techniques, I am always very careful in judging the sanity and approaches of the therapist.

To me, hypnotic trance versus meditation or other types of trance is quite different. The feeling of it is different, and I would not say at all that meditation has anything to do with hypnotism, on the contrary, meditation brings clarity while in all heightened awareness.

So there is good and bad in all things, I am psychotherapist and my favorite tool is hypnosis, but I am not better than another, and sometimes I must have been bad for someone I did not understand.
Usually, the subjects in deep trance do not remember anything, have closed their eyes, the session started and finished. They are surprised to have to leave, an hour has passed, frustrated to give money for a moment of amnesia.
To me and it is what I wrote, meditation is a kind of self hypnosis, inducing a trance. Hypnotherapy or hetero hypnosis is quite different because : we can not make tickling alone.

[guyres]

Someone posted in this thread that hypnotism and meditation are the same.
It is not what is written.


Now, I have a question: When hypnotizing a subject, what state does the hypnotist enter?
The therapist is in sync with the subject, he has several tips for that. Once the synchronization is established, there is indeed an unconscious communication related and therefore the subject sometimes knows what the therapist will say before he speaks.
The therapist is also in a trance at a lower level.

[Wockey]

Hi All,

I am a qualified clinical hypnotherapist and resource therapist and have been practicing for 4 years. Hypnosis is a natural state that we all experience in our daily lives, it is said we are subconscious 90% of our waking day. Hypnosis can be referred to as a guided daydream where the hypnotised person is aware of what is going on but not at a conscious level more so at a subconscious level.

Further to this, hypnosis is not a bad thing, there are however bad hypnotherapists. As with any form of therapy in the right hands it is powerful tool to enable change. In the wrong hands hypnosis can be dangerous. Dangers can be that the therapist actually re traumatised the patient or to the extreme, implanted false memories. False memories have often been attributed to "regression therapy" and there are a few law suits that will attain to this.

So in closing, if you are going to a hypnotherapist or psychotherapist do your research. you wouldn't take your car to a mechanic without checking their credentials, would you! Please don't knock Hypnosis or Hypnotherapy as a bad thing, it has changed many peoples lives for the better (I can testify to that with all of my clients).

I am happy to take any questions readers may have.

Paul

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Thank you for your replies. No one is suggesting you should not be posting what you did - that is why I put the question out there - to get feedback from others that know more about the subject than I do. You obviously know a lot about this subject and I am glad you posted your knowledge.

[wnlight]

Thank you, guyres for answering my question. (I just discovered today that there was a second page of discussion on hypnotism back in November.) I have always felt that there was a synchronicity established between the hypnotist and the 'subject'. Lately, I have come to realize that any mental endeavor that requires concentration is a form of hypnosis - even reading a book. I wonder if a large number of readers in such a state could actually affect the author at a distance.

I have been fortunate along with those whom I have hypnotized that my intentions have always been positive and my methods have always been correct. I always used the least level of trance to do the job. All of my (very limited) work was free of charge as I realized that a hypnotherapy career does not pay the bills. Yet, some years ago I dropped use of controlled hypnotism in favor of affirmations and self hypnosis and meditation.