Alien abductions: is it possible that we're all deceived?

[misbis]

Has it passed through your mind, like to me, that all these alien stories and kidnappings are done by humans? Is it possible for the kidnapped memories to be implemented? Is it possible abductееs, or to work consciously for these people(telling us story's as insiders or abductees) or to do it subconsciously as a result of programming?
Is it possible for a group of people to use the abduction method to program the population in the direction they want?
“Blame the aliens“ is a very convenient diversion of the real perpetrators?
If the wars of the 1940s were carried out by people with weapons in hand, is it possible today, the weapon in the hands of men to be their mental programming?
And today's war of the two forces on the planet is a program against a program.
That's why awakening is such a controlled process.
With the globalization of artificial intelligence, kidnapping today is unnecessary. Programming takes place at home and in people's sleep.
Could the whole extraterrestrial theme be the biggest trick of the century?
Behind a network of secret groups?

[misbis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-Vws4V-Zd0&t=102s
This happened in Bulgaria. On 11 of September, 9.11, 1995. On a military airport near city of Russe. Three women, contactees,claimed they have a contact with aliens from planet Krisi. (Christ?) Three ladies, dressed in pale pink, contact the aliens directly. They want the track to be free so that the Kristians can land at 11 o'clock. The event take place on military airport, the official,government media followed the event, polity are there too, more then 3000 people come to meet the aliens from planet Krisi. Of course, nobody landed.
All this was result from massive aliens propaganda in Bulgaria,directly after 1989. Almost each family in Bulgaria has experienced or poltergeist at home , or alien contact. I had a good friend in this time in Bulgaria, medical doctor,who later become politician ,oligarch and free mason. I asked him,do you have at home poltergeist? He asked me back- do you? If you do,be careful, may be humans are behind.

[petra]

The thought had crossed my mind, but in my personal experience the level of interference & orchestration goes beyond what I think is possible for humans to do. I guess it boils down to our limited intellect. I'm not really sure what I am trying to say here, you keep saying "is it possible" and I just don't think we'll ever be able to answer that one fully. But just because WE don't know what's possible, that doesn't mean someone else doesn't.

I can't say that I blame aliens... that would be kind of racist. I'm just saying that if I had to choose who is more responsible for the current dilemma, aliens or humans, I would have to pick the aliens.

[misbis]

The thought had crossed my mind, but in my personal experience the level of interference & orchestration goes beyond what I think is possible for humans to do. I guess it boils down to our limited intellect. I'm not really sure what I am trying to say here, you keep saying "is it possible" and I just don't think we'll ever be able to answer that one fully. But just because WE don't know what's possible, that doesn't mean someone else doesn't.

I can't say that I blame aliens... that would be kind of racist. I'm just saying that if I had to choose who is more responsible for the current dilemma, aliens or humans, I would have to pick the aliens.

Thank you for share your thoughts. Maybe my point is we don't know how much aliens are involved in human interfering ,how much humans-military,black projects. I don't pick aliens,from what I have experienced. And maybe we have to redefine the term alien. I think there are human formed people,that are fully awaken and conscious.They do the game. And a lot of sleepers.

[petra]

And maybe we have to redefine the term alien.

Point taken.

[Bill Ryan]

See the work of Dr David Jacobs (and before him, Budd Hopkins and Dr John Mack).

Some abductions may be military operations (which is the origin of the term Milab, for Military Abductee), but even then the evidence suggests that at least in some cases the military are re-abducting alien abductees to try to get to the bottom of what the ETs are doing themselves.

The many thousands of regressions done by Jacobs, Hopkins and Mack (others, too) all overwhelmingly prove without any reasonable doubt that there's an alien abduction phenomenon which is very real indeed.

[petra]

..... but even then the evidence suggests that at least in some cases the military are re-abducting alien abductees to try to get to the bottom of what the ETs are doing themselves.

What a thought! I tend to agree with this theory.



The many thousands of regressions done by Jacobs, Hopkins and Mack (others, too) all overwhelmingly prove without any reasonable doubt that there's an alien abduction phenomenon which is very real indeed.

All it took for me was the words of one trusted person, and down the rabbit hole I went. When my friends are threatened, I pay attention.

I used to think it was all in people's minds, and they were just watching too much TV. Boy was I wrong.

[misbis]

See the work of Dr David Jacobs (and before him, Budd Hopkins and Dr John Mack).

Some abductions may be military operations (which is the origin of the term Milab, for Military Abductee), but even then the evidence suggests that at least in some cases the military are re-abducting alien abductees to try to get to the bottom of what the ETs are doing themselves.

The many thousands of regressions done by Jacobs, Hopkins and Mack (others, too) all overwhelmingly prove without any reasonable doubt that there's an alien abduction phenomenon which is very real indeed.

Yes,Bill.I'm familiar with this info. Have you seen my clip above? Well,it is not translated,but I explain what happen there in Bulgaria. On 11 of September, 11 o'clock,1995, at military airport, the national television, over 3000 people wait for aliens to land. If THIS was not military,black project operation...I don't know. They pretend to be aliens from my personal experience.

[Valerie Villars]

Misbis,

This is a VERY complex subject which is perhaps beyond our capacity to fully understand, in our current paradigm. I would say from my own experience, direct, that there is some truth in all scenarios. There are human looking beings who are not human as we normally think of them. There are as many races and agendas, as there are stars. Mix in black magic, white magic, science, ego, intent, technology, nature and you have an infinite number of possibilities and probabilities.

I do believe the government checks out those who have had contact with beings from other places, but there are infinite dimensions, too. They send in the old black helicopter friends to see what you know and perhaps as an intimidation tactic. It's pretty crazy and in the end, you just have to stay aware and have a sense of humor. Refuse to be scared. It's how they gain control. Maybe tap dance and sing "You are my sunshine....", etc. and they will get confused and go away.


"I am in the kingdom of the glorious state of my evolution." Dustin Talley

[petra]

Refuse to be scared. It's how they gain control.

Refusing to be scared - trickier than it sounds. I could not control this when it happened to me, and maybe the key is control of feelings / thoughts. My thoughts also get out of control sometimes, like a "runaway train.... of thought"

I'll use the example of trying to cry. Sometimes a good cry feels good... I just can't make myself cry. Some people are able to do this.

My method so far has been "wait it out", it kind of reminds me of a "passing wave" that you just have to endure.

Staying aware and having a sense of humor is definitely helping. I remember feeling bad for laughing at awful stuff, but I didn't feel so bad once I realized laughing makes it go away faster.

You are my sunshine..... HA HA HA :)

[misbis]

Thank you all of you for response. Who exactly is doing this human experiment, I don't know. I'm not afraid. They, who they are, are more afraid of we understand who we are. When humans know who they are, this dirty game is over

[neutronstar]

I think both happens. But to me the bigger question when it comes to ET abductions is, is it positive or negative? I don't think anyone but the ETs know the answer to that.

[yelik]

Perhaps the military abduct people that have already been abducted to find out what might going on.

Maybe the military abduct people to identify them as a target for ET abduction - could this be an agreement?

[petra]

I think both happens. But to me the bigger question when it comes to ET abductions is, is it positive or negative? I don't think anyone but the ETs know the answer to that.

We can guess a little bit. I think it's easier to guess what's negative though. If one wakes up with scars or blisters, that seems pretty negative to me.

I wonder is there even any such thing as a "positive" abduction? I'm dubious.... if it was up to me.... no one would be abducted.

[neutronstar]

I think both happens. But to me the bigger question when it comes to ET abductions is, is it positive or negative? I don't think anyone but the ETs know the answer to that.

We can guess a little bit. I think it's easier to guess what's negative though. If one wakes up with scars or blisters, that seems pretty negative to me.

I wonder is there even any such thing as a "positive" abduction? I'm dubious.... if it was up to me.... no one would be abducted.

We do similar things to animals, but for the most part we are trying to help them. We tend to separate the human race from animals but we may be looked at as animals to them. They could be looking after us or as I tend to think, one of the ET groups made us and may still be tinkering. Almost all ETs are 10s of thousands to millions of years more advanced then us. This idea that they would look at us as equals is not realistic.

The universe is very old and evolution is really slow. To me it would be almost a certainty that an intelligent life form would speed up things by interfering. We do it to dogs, cats, horses and many other animals. Humans are not at the top of the intelligence latter, far from it.

The fact that they seem to stay hidden from us for the most part makes me think they are benevolent. If they weren't, why let us advance to the point we are now. They could easily send us back to the stone age if they wanted to.

[misbis]

I think both happens. But to me the bigger question when it comes to ET abductions is, is it positive or negative? I don't think anyone but the ETs know the answer to that.

For me, no abduction can be positive. It is done out of our free will and consciousness

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I think both happens. But to me the bigger question when it comes to ET abductions is, is it positive or negative? I don't think anyone but the ETs know the answer to that.

We can guess a little bit. I think it's easier to guess what's negative though. If one wakes up with scars or blisters, that seems pretty negative to me.

I wonder is there even any such thing as a "positive" abduction? I'm dubious.... if it was up to me.... no one would be abducted.

I think in the same direction. Everything done without our consciousness choice, agreement and free will is negative

[misbis]

ONCE AGAIN. HAVE A LOOK TO THIS CLIP. IT IS NOT TRANSLATED,BUT I EXPLAIN WHAT IS ALL ABOUT. 3000 PEOPLE ,TOGETHER WITH NATIONAL TV, GATHERED AT MILITARY AIRPORT TO WAIT FOR ALIENS TO LAND. AFTER THE CHANGE IN BULGARIA, WHO WAS IN EASTERN BLOCK, A NATION OF 8 MIL PEOPLE HAVE BEEN MIND ATTACKED AND PROGRAMMED , VOICE IN SKULLS , TO BELIEVE ALIENS SPEAK WITH THEM TELEPATHICALLY. MASSIVE. SINCE THEN,I DON'T BELIEVE IN ALIENS, THE WAY IT IS PRESENTED.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-Vws4V-Zd0[/url]

This happened in Bulgaria. On 11 of September, 9.11, 1995. On a military airport near city of Russe. Three women, contactees,claimed they have a contact with aliens from planet Krisi. (Christ?) Three ladies, dressed in pale pink, contact the aliens directly. They want the track to be free so that the Kristians can land at 11 o'clock. The event take place on military airport, the official,government media followed the event, polity are there too, more then 3000 people come to meet the aliens from planet Krisi. Of course, nobody landed.
All this was result from massive aliens propaganda in Bulgaria,directly after 1989. Almost each family in Bulgaria has experienced or poltergeist at home , or alien contact. I had a good friend in this time in Bulgaria, medical doctor,who later become politician ,oligarch and free mason. I asked him,do you have at home poltergeist? He asked me back- do you? If you do,be careful, may be humans are behind.

[neutronstar]

Everything done without our consciousness choice, agreement and free will is negative

We do things all the time to children without there consent, like take them to the doctor. Is that negative.

It is not what is done that is negative but the intent behind the actions.

[Sunny-side-up]

It's all a very messed up and tangled mind we live in ha.

The Montauk Project, Project Monarch and MK Ultra.
If they really did time travel, visit and experiment on the populace of the USA, then putting the individuals back before it happened as it where, well any thing can be happening, and happening, happening to anyone any time o.0

[misbis]

Everything done without our consciousness choice, agreement and free will is negative

We do things all the time to children without there consent, like take them to the doctor. Is that negative.

It is not what is done that is negative but the intent behind the actions.

I think,if person feels infant(child), yes, he or she accept this intervention as care.

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It's all a very messed up and tangled mind we live in ha.

The Montauk Project, Project Monarch and MK Ultra.
If they really did time travel, visit and experiment on the populace of the USA, then putting the individuals back before it happened as it where, well any thing can be happening, and happening, happening to anyone any time o.0

NOT only population in USA,but abroad too.This event in Bulgaria happen after USA took over the country after Russia

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Perhaps the military abduct people that have already been abducted to find out what might going on.

Maybe the military abduct people to identify them as a target for ET abduction - could this be an agreement?

Yes, but I don't find any excuse

[misbis]

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Human brain is not generator of thoughts. Only transmitter-reciever

[Spellbound]

See the work of Dr David Jacobs (and before him, Budd Hopkins and Dr John Mack).

Some abductions may be military operations (which is the origin of the term Milab, for Military Abductee), but even then the evidence suggests that at least in some cases the military are re-abducting alien abductees to try to get to the bottom of what the ETs are doing themselves.

The many thousands of regressions done by Jacobs, Hopkins and Mack (others, too) all overwhelmingly prove without any reasonable doubt that there's an alien abduction phenomenon which is very real indeed.

Hi Bill (and others),

Some MILAB abductions are done jointly between the military and ET's....case in point Kerry's interview with Niara Isley:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4FA_42qjV0

Dave - Toronto

[misbis]

See the work of Dr David Jacobs (and before him, Budd Hopkins and Dr John Mack).

Some abductions may be military operations (which is the origin of the term Milab, for Military Abductee), but even then the evidence suggests that at least in some cases the military are re-abducting alien abductees to try to get to the bottom of what the ETs are doing themselves.

The many thousands of regressions done by Jacobs, Hopkins and Mack (others, too) all overwhelmingly prove without any reasonable doubt that there's an alien abduction phenomenon which is very real indeed.

Hi Bill (and others),

Some MILAB abductions are done jointly between the military and ET's....case in point Kerry's interview with Niara Isley:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4FA_42qjV0

Dave - Toronto

My question is - Is it possible, people with testimony and insiders to be OR set up,they consciously work for alien propaganda, OR they are programmed to believe it, implemented memories.Bottom line, no aliens doing abductions, humans do.By the way, since I have heart Kerry saying, military sometimes doing re-abduction with good purposes, to help the person, I started to doubt more. No purpose can excuse abduction against persons free choice.

[Spiral]

My question is - Is it possible, people with testimony and insiders to be OR set up,they consciously work for alien propaganda, OR they are programmed to believe it, implemented memories.Bottom line, no aliens doing abductions, humans do.By the way, since I have heart Kerry saying, military sometimes doing re-abduction with good purposes, to help the person, I started to doubt more. No purpose can excuse abduction against persons free choice.

There are abductions by beings that want us to believe they are "aliens", it's not humans & not controlled by humans, it's the other way round, the humans involved are being controlled & used by these beings, that are absolutely NOT aliens.

That said there are humans in black projects playing "catch up", they are desperately trying to get all the tech & insights into what is happening as is possible, this sometimes necessitates "milabs" or "re-abs" as they are known, in order to find out what is in the minds of abductees, this requires similar invasive techniques as the "beings" use, because the info is hidden behind screens in the mind that the abductee can't access whilst conscious.

As for what's going on in Bulgaria, no idea, we can only guess at that due to the language barrier, it could well be the entire country has been under a mass mind control experiment under the soviets that the west is all too keen to follow up on, like with the nazi scientists after WW2.

As I said these "aliens" aren't aliens, this is why there is so much psychic phenomena around the subject, when you have a population that is largely under educated & under cognative dissonance these phenomena you describe will manifest, much like the St Medard phenomena.

[Foxie Loxie]

Excellent points, Sprial! :highfive:

[Sunny-side-up]

Like I say.
It's all a very messed up and tangled mind we live in ha.
Who knows whats really going on?
Who knows who or what is doing what?
As far as I can tell, it's some of all that gets reported/posted here in Avalon.
Anything goes and is going on o.0

[misbis]

My question is - Is it possible, people with testimony and insiders to be OR set up,they consciously work for alien propaganda, OR they are programmed to believe it, implemented memories.Bottom line, no aliens doing abductions, humans do.By the way, since I have heart Kerry saying, military sometimes doing re-abduction with good purposes, to help the person, I started to doubt more. No purpose can excuse abduction against persons free choice.

There are abductions by beings that want us to believe they are "aliens", it's not humans & not controlled by humans, it's the other way round, the humans involved are being controlled & used by these beings, that are absolutely NOT aliens.

That said there are humans in black projects playing "catch up", they are desperately trying to get all the tech & insights into what is happening as is possible, this sometimes necessitates "milabs" or "re-abs" as they are known, in order to find out what is in the minds of abductees, this requires similar invasive techniques as the "beings" use, because the info is hidden behind screens in the mind that the abductee can't access whilst conscious.

As for what's going on in Bulgaria, no idea, we can only guess at that due to the language barrier, it could well be the entire country has been under a mass mind control experiment under the soviets that the west is all too keen to follow up on, like with the nazi scientists after WW2.

As I said these "aliens" aren't aliens, this is why there is so much psychic phenomena around the subject, when you have a population that is largely under educated & under cognative dissonance these phenomena you describe will manifest, much like the St Medard phenomena.

This is very interesting what you say. Do you have more info about those beings?

[ghostrider]

I've read information that since 1913 a cover up about the ET phenomenon has been in place ... Most abductions are done by secret military groups... Their goal is to promote the hostile alien thesis, and keep the threat of invasion going to drain money from the duped public... My thinking is aliens wanted to invade Earth, they would have done it , and landed in mass ... The leader would be front and center, and history would be very different, and a never ending resupply of ships , equipment, etc would be in our faces ... To conquer vast distances in space, a culture would have long ago left the age of war and violence , otherwise they never would have left their own solar system...

[Valerie Villars]

I was thinking the same thing about animals, when my horse ripped her face apart on something. We had to call the vet, who jabbed her with a needle, knocked her senseless into a drooling mass, pulled the huge flap down, cleaned it, and then put staples in her face. To her, it was an abduction against her will, but it was done for her benefit.

When I was dealing with "humans" who weren't quite humans, black helicopters and all the attendant astral b.s., I had no idea what was going on. I was pissed off.

In retrospect, it taught me many, many things and mostly got me past the egoic thought that I/we are so special; "how dare someone do this to me" kind of a thing. Well, the truth is that creation goes on forever and we just have to deal with the different layers. What I don't agree with and never will, is deception, lying and manipulation. And there was a whole bunch of that going on too, in addition to the "good stuff".

I think when someone starts to wake up, all interested parties have a go at the wakening human, whether they have good or ill intent. It's like a spiritual free for all.

[Bill Ryan]

Most abductions are done by secret military groups...

Not possible. Just calculate the logistics. There are just too many of them.


My thinking is if aliens wanted to invade Earth, they would have done it , and landed in mass ...

John Lear would say:

A farmer doesn't need or want to invade their own farm. They just make sure the animals are all fit for purpose (whatever that is), but don't care about them individually or personally.
I would say:

To project limited human thinking on to ETs (like imagining they may want to invade a planet, WWII-style) may not be helpful, and is likely to be simplistic. They may have complex purposes or agendas that we might not easily be able to understand.

[neutronstar]

They may have complex purposes or agendas that we might not easily be able to understand.


Like shaping humanity into the creators plan. I find it a little humorous when people say that abduction is impeding their free will when we have no idea of the higher purpose, or if our higher self agreed to it before this life started, and only the ego objects.

I will also add that maybe our higher self never sees anything that happens as good or bad, positive or negative, but simply sees it as an experience.

[misbis]

Most abductions are done by secret military groups...

Not possible. Just calculate the logistics. There are just too many of them.


My thinking is if aliens wanted to invade Earth, they would have done it , and landed in mass ...

John Lear would say:

A farmer doesn't need or want to invade their own farm. They just make sure the animals are all fit for purpose (whatever that is), but don't care about them individually or personally.
I would say:

To project limited human thinking on to ETs (like imagining they may want to invade a planet, WWII-style) may not be helpful, and is likely to be simplistic. They may have complex purposes or agendas that we might not easily be able to understand.


that we might not easily be able to understand I keep trying to understand. The blindness makes me crazy. :sherlock:

[Michelle Marie]

Everything done without our consciousness choice, agreement and free will is negative

We do things all the time to children without there consent, like take them to the doctor. Is that negative.

It is not what is done that is negative but the intent behind the actions.

Well, in modern times, taking them to a doctor could be negative. Now that they push for big pharma and coerce or demand vaccinations.

I certainly don't go to doctors any more. They're killing the holistic ones, the type I would choose if I did go.

From what I have seen in schools, kids shouldn't be forced to go there, either.
Home schooling mixed with online classes would be a good solution.

MM

[neutronstar]

Everything done without our consciousness choice, agreement and free will is negative

We do things all the time to children without there consent, like take them to the doctor. Is that negative.

It is not what is done that is negative but the intent behind the actions.

Well, in modern times, taking them to a doctor could be negative. Now that they push for big pharma and coerce or demand vaccinations.

I certainly don't go to doctors any more. They're killing the holistic ones, the type I would choose if I did go.

From what I have seen in schools, kids shouldn't be forced to go there, either.
Home schooling mixed with online classes would be a good solution.

MM

Ya, it was probably a bad example. I was thinking of that when I typed it, but was too lazy to think of a better one.

[Michelle Marie]

Everything done without our consciousness choice, agreement and free will is negative

We do things all the time to children without there consent, like take them to the doctor. Is that negative.

It is not what is done that is negative but the intent behind the actions.

Well, in modern times, taking them to a doctor could be negative. Now that they push for big pharma and coerce or demand vaccinations.

I certainly don't go to doctors any more. They're killing the holistic ones, the type I would choose if I did go.

From what I have seen in schools, kids shouldn't be forced to go there, either.
Home schooling mixed with online classes would be a good solution.

MM

Ya, it was probably a bad example. I was thinking of that when I typed it, but was too lazy to think of a better one.

Yes, but you're right about the intent behind it. If you are doing something to promote their welfare, that's a good intention. Like teaching them to stay clean. Sometimes they might not want to take a bath or shower. This is a ripe time for learning for them. Always an explanation of intent and good outcome could lead to a cooperative choice for the good. Communication is essential. 😀
MM

[Foxie Loxie]

I am of the opinion that only those who have actually experienced an "abduction" or weird happenings can really speak to what might be going on here. All I can do is take in what others' experiences have been & try to make some sense out of it. What is here on Avalon is excellent for doing that! The early videos done when Bill & Kerry were together are very helpful. If you haven't seen those, misbis, I would highly recommend them.

As to "understanding" what this is all about....don't tire yourself out!! :bump2: Each of us is on a "journey"; each of us moves along at our own rate....enjoy the ride & keep exploring & learning. :cheers:

[neutronstar]

I am of the opinion that only those who have actually experienced an "abduction" or weird happenings can really speak to what might be going on here. All I can do is take in what others' experiences have been & try to make some sense out of it. What is here on Avalon is excellent for doing that! The early videos done when Bill & Kerry were together are very helpful. If you haven't seen those, misbis, I would highly recommend them.

As to "understanding" what this is all about....don't tire yourself out!! :bump2: Each of us is on a "journey"; each of us moves along at our own rate....enjoy the ride & keep exploring & learning. :cheers:

I can't agree with that. Are animals the best to talk to when we abduct them?

Never be afraid to have an opinion, even when your wrong. I do it all the time:bigsmile:

[misbis]

I am of the opinion that only those who have actually experienced an "abduction" or weird happenings can really speak to what might be going on here. All I can do is take in what others' experiences have been & try to make some sense out of it. What is here on Avalon is excellent for doing that! The early videos done when Bill & Kerry were together are very helpful. If you haven't seen those, misbis, I would highly recommend them.

As to "understanding" what this is all about....don't tire yourself out!! :bump2: Each of us is on a "journey"; each of us moves along at our own rate....enjoy the ride & keep exploring & learning. :cheers:

Thank you dear. I have had such strange life,that I'm already burn out ,more then this can not be burned :bigsmile: About Camelot videos, I have seen them all. I have been in translator team for short time, some conferences too...I'm not saying I have nothing to learn more of it...from distance of time the same videos can give another perspective and I watch them again. The questions I have are based on my personal experience. I search answers for my own life. I had no normal life,like most of the people.I have been,and may be still am, a butterfly from eastern version of Monarch program.I survived,but questions I still have

[Foxie Loxie]

I would agree, misbis, that we are all searching for answers to explain what we have lived through! It IS quite a conundrum! :crazy:

[Spiral]

My question is - Is it possible, people with testimony and insiders to be OR set up,they consciously work for alien propaganda, OR they are programmed to believe it, implemented memories.Bottom line, no aliens doing abductions, humans do.By the way, since I have heart Kerry saying, military sometimes doing re-abduction with good purposes, to help the person, I started to doubt more. No purpose can excuse abduction against persons free choice.

There are abductions by beings that want us to believe they are "aliens", it's not humans & not controlled by humans, it's the other way round, the humans involved are being controlled & used by these beings, that are absolutely NOT aliens.

That said there are humans in black projects playing "catch up", they are desperately trying to get all the tech & insights into what is happening as is possible, this sometimes necessitates "milabs" or "re-abs" as they are known, in order to find out what is in the minds of abductees, this requires similar invasive techniques as the "beings" use, because the info is hidden behind screens in the mind that the abductee can't access whilst conscious.

As for what's going on in Bulgaria, no idea, we can only guess at that due to the language barrier, it could well be the entire country has been under a mass mind control experiment under the soviets that the west is all too keen to follow up on, like with the nazi scientists after WW2.

As I said these "aliens" aren't aliens, this is why there is so much psychic phenomena around the subject, when you have a population that is largely under educated & under cognative dissonance these phenomena you describe will manifest, much like the St Medard phenomena.

This is very interesting what you say. Do you have more info about those beings?


To get a better picture of what these things are I would recommend two books above all others,

Invisible College by Jaques Vallee

The Eighth Tower by John Keel

Everyone else is following an agenda or trying to make the pieces fit a picture they already have.


It certainly isn't the "military" going all around the world abducting nobodies like me to do things that don't make sense (outside of a purely ontological framework) in craft that are centuries ahead of what they purport to have that would cost billions to make & run if they could ......

[petra]

It is not what is done that is negative but the intent behind the actions.

I think along these lines too.

Following that, there could be all kinds of intents. I think it must be in a different thread Bill suspected military and alien abducting the same people. That kind of makes sense... but if we consider various types of "aliens" (because I guess I need to put that in quotes now), maybe some abducting people is.... dare I say necessary

[petra]

The universe is very old and evolution is really slow. To me it would be almost a certainty that an intelligent life form would speed up things by interfering. We do it to dogs, cats, horses and many other animals. Humans are not at the top of the intelligence latter, far from it.

The fact that they seem to stay hidden from us for the most part makes me think they are benevolent. If they weren't, why let us advance to the point we are now. They could easily send us back to the stone age if they wanted to.

Not at the top no... but I've come to think maybe not at the bottom either! I think we're more "valuable" than they let us think otherwise why would piles of people be getting tormented. Why do that if we are not some kind of threat? I'm just really suspicious.

[Foxie Loxie]

misbis.....I have only been a member here a little over two years & the only conclusion I can come to SO FAR is that we are in the middle of somebody else's war & that is why it is all so confusing to us!! :der:

[neutronstar]

I think we're more "valuable" than they let us think otherwise why would piles of people be getting tormented. Why do that if we are not some kind of threat? I'm just really suspicious.

I don't really follow. Tormented? Abduction can be a traumatic event if you don't understand the intention behind, unless your referring to something else. I don't understand why you think they see us as a threat. Unless of coarse we continue to get access to more advanced weapons.

[petra]

I don't really follow. Tormented? Abduction can be a traumatic event if you don't understand the intention behind, unless your referring to something else.

Yes maybe I used the wrong word, it's much more than tormenting. I just don't know what it's even like. I find it kind of upsetting to see people having to record their bruises and scan themselves all the time though.


I don't understand why you think they see us as a threat. Unless of coarse we continue to get access to more advanced weapons.

That's just a guess, if not threatening, at least important enough to pay attention to.

Whatever it was that happened to me was "pants-crapping" type of scary, so it just feels really serious to me. For a while it felt as if I was being used as a weapon, and there was F all I could do about it. Now of course this was just a delusion in my head, but it was real enough to make me pay attention. It felt like I was getting "tricked into" destroying things and it was so maddening, and frustrating. It's either all a big stupid joke, or it has some kind of meaning.

[Valerie Villars]

Spiral, I don't remember which book I read by Jacques Vallee, but I was so thankful it was there, as it had stories about the metalogic all these beings were using, among other aspects of my experience. And I agree, it wasn't members of the military I was interacting with, but I did have multiple black helicopter experiences, which were completely misunderstood by myself, having no context of any of this stuff.

I may or may not have been abducted at one point, as I have no memory of one night; waking up the next morning to twisted metal bracelets, stones and jewels disintegrated (literally) and then went on to breaking belts (three of them while on my body just "broke off" in the middle of the leather). It was all highly symbolic.

Having no context, I had no idea why or how these beings (some friend, some foe) knew what I was thinking, who I was, what kind of childhood I had and other bizarre things. I was also completely confused as to why or how they could possibly be interested in a nobody (to use your word) like me, who doesn't know how to teach, sing, play music or otherwise organize myself into something useful to help others.

In retrospect, I may have been used as a battery, to bring certain energies here. But, I really think it has more to do with spirituality in my case, than any kind of war of the worlds thing; though the two are related.

Thank you for your post.

[Valerie Villars]

I'm going to post this because it is the truth. I am at the 30:19 point of the Niara Isley video and lost my breath when she talked about getting raped. During my experience, which lasted months and months, I was drugged, woke up naked with a man (who's name I know) on top of me, having sex. I remember thinking "how did I get naked?" and then blacked out again. The thing is, it was in an apartment with all the lights on and I believe there were others involved also; watching and or participating, but I can't remember anything but that one part.

This kind of thing is unconscionable and cannot be allowed to happen. Rape is one of the most heinous of all power plays.

[Valerie Villars]

And at 45:15, she talks about a tall, slender ethereal being. One appeared to me in broad daylight out of nowhere in the middle of a park (just us two) and talked to me about how people treated others, not realizing the one they were talking bad about, and doing ugly things to, was really someone else.

He then told me his name was Blaze Star and he said "God sure has blessed you", kissed me hard on the mouth, looked deeply in my eyes, and walked away.

What I'm saying is he seemed to be saying the exact same thing he told Niara's tormentor; you have no idea who you are doing these things to. It will be reported back to her people. What this woman speaks is truth.

[Spiral]

Spiral, I don't remember which book I read by Jacques Vallee, but I was so thankful it was there, as it had stories about the metalogic all these beings were using, among other aspects of my experience. And I agree, it wasn't members of the military I was interacting with, but I did have multiple black helicopter experiences, which were completely misunderstood by myself, having no context of any of this stuff.

I may or may not have been abducted at one point, as I have no memory of one night; waking up the next morning to twisted metal bracelets, stones and jewels disintegrated (literally) and then went on to breaking belts (three of them while on my body just "broke off" in the middle of the leather). It was all highly symbolic.

Having no context, I had no idea why or how these beings (some friend, some foe) knew what I was thinking, who I was, what kind of childhood I had and other bizarre things. I was also completely confused as to why or how they could possibly be interested in a nobody (to use your word) like me, who doesn't know how to teach, sing, play music or otherwise organize myself into something useful to help others.

In retrospect, I may have been used as a battery, to bring certain energies here. But, I really think it has more to do with spirituality in my case, than any kind of war of the worlds thing; though the two are related.

Thank you for your post.

Hi Villival, I have to say I also think it's a spiritual issue, a very dark, real & complicated one.

Black helicopters is another commonality, the one that used to fly around my house had a strange pod like thing attached to the side like the stretchers on the heilcos on M*A*S*H, which had a thing sticking out the front of it like some kind of ariel, my best guess is it was some kind of detector, for electro-magnetic anomalies. It didn't have a number on it as required by law either !

Confusion & trauma seem to figure large in this, and not in a way that makes sense if "they" are aliens, it's trauma for traumas sake IMO, unless there is something they trigger by it ?

I once went for a cranio-sacral (alt heath ) session & the therapist said she couldn't detect any fluid in there at all, she rang her old teacher & they had never come across that either...

That's for your post too, it's always reassuring to touch base with another experiencer.

:handshake:

[petra]

... This kind of thing is unconscionable and cannot be allowed to happen. Rape is one of the most heinous of all power plays.

Appreciate your candor Villival, this is what people need to hear. I'd give anything to stop the rape. Anything.

[Mike]

I think there are many things at play here. Untangling can be quite a headache.

First, it seems to me that the dark military has the ability to duplicate many things the "aliens" are doing (I put aliens in quotes because I'm not quite sure what they are, and imho it is a mistake to assume they are all biological beings from other planets).

This dark tech can, based on what i've read and believe to be true, recreate very convincingly things like alien abductions, poltergeist activity, UFO sightings and so on(see: "Chameleo" by Robert Guffey)

So it would appear that we have a human and an "alien" element. That hardly clears things up when we realize that both the aliens and the humans have the ability to project 3d images to hide or conceal what is truly in front of someone. So deciphering which is which is another issue.

And even if one is lucky enough to do so, remembering that realization is the next challenge - the aliens appear to create "screen memories" or simply erase the memory, while the humans appear to use things like drugs and trauma(violence and rape) to compartmentalize memories. Or, more recently, electronic harassment tech.

So here we have things like MK Ultra, aliens, satanism, electronic harassment etc all sort of blending together like some kind of insidious stew. What are the motives of the humans and the aliens? What is the exact nature of the relationships? Are they in cahoots? Competing? And most importantly for the victims: can it be stopped?

To confuse things even further, I would guess that there are competing factions within both the human and the alien elements. And, of course, it would appear that there are many alien races involved.

Even the abduction scenario can't be pinned down to mere biological examinations by grey organic beings. Jaques Vallee and John Keel's research indicate that many of these abductees journeys are purely mental trips. The question then arises: what is happening to their bodies while they are on these mental trips?

And yet, it appears many abductions are exactly what they seem - the physical hijacking of one's body to a physical vessel for reasons unknown.

Reasons unknown. Sigh. Another poster used the term "metalogic". The first time i heard that term was in a John Keel book. He was speaking on the phone to an alleged alien entity, and the entity spent quite a bit of time trying to explain to Keel what their metalogic was. It sounded like gobbeldygook.

And that's discouraging, isn't it? Even when one of these alien entities actually takes the time to explain themselves in a language one can understand, it's *still* imcomprehensible:)

[Valerie Villars]

There are quite a few points I would like to address. Still learning how to post on a forum, and don't have a mouse connected, so I can't cut and paste.

Mike, maybe it really is like V for Vendetta and totally a mind trip for our own good-so to speak. Or maybe it is as Niara says; we are here as reporters, so to speak, and the best way to transmit the actual experiences of earth, is to experience it as a human; emotions, physical, etc. and also to bring us through to the other side of fear so we can move on or lift vibrations or a million other different possibilities.

There is a part of me that thinks the metalogic is specifically for purposes of confusion, which leads to clarity; kind of an undoing of all the b.s. we have been fed by the ptb and the only way to do it is by untying the knot they have hopelessly tangled. Also, earthlings may just be babies in the cosmic evolution and need to be prepared for all sorts of deception in the greater universe. Are we ready for graduation? Let's do a test.

Or we may be nothing more than crash test dummies in a world of uncommon evil, here to do good, like any other superhero.

Petra, the raping of anything is flat out wrong. Maybe it only happens here on earth. I can't imagine an evolved universe would be so concerned with such an act. It's just gross. The guy(s) who did it to me was a psychopath, with some weird little dude who I now believe was a disguised grey.

I cannot believe a helicopter just flew right over my house as I was typing this. I must be close to the truth.

Spiral, somehow my heart tugs at you. I have a feeling we had very similar experiences. You have that authentic "yeah, thanks for choosing me for your experiment" kind of an attitude. You know, God bless you and all others. Maybe the spiritual aspect only feels dark here because we live on a planet of darkness. In other words, I am wondering if there were any light spiritual aspects to your experience. There was to mine and that's why I was so confused that someone would want to hurt me. I think really they are just trying to stop us from transcending the trap we have all fallen into. You know, when you're on earth, you have to play be earth rules. Some people seem to be seriously cheating.

[Spiral]

I think there are many things at play here. Untangling can be quite a headache.

First, it seems to me that the dark military has the ability to duplicate many things the "aliens" are doing (I put aliens in quotes because I'm not quite sure what they are, and imho it is a mistake to assume they are all biological beings from other planets).

This dark tech can, based on what i've read and believe to be true, recreate very convincingly things like alien abductions, poltergeist activity, UFO sightings and so on(see: "Chameleo" by Robert Guffey)

So it would appear that we have a human and an "alien" element. That hardly clears things up when we realize that both the aliens and the humans have the ability to project 3d images to hide or conceal what is truly in front of someone. So deciphering which is which is another issue.

And even if one is lucky enough to do so, remembering that realization is the next challenge - the aliens appear to create "screen memories" or simply erase the memory, while the humans appear to use things like drugs and trauma(violence and rape) to compartmentalize memories. Or, more recently, electronic harassment tech.

So here we have things like MK Ultra, aliens, satanism, electronic harassment etc all sort of blending together like some kind of insidious stew. What are the motives of the humans and the aliens? What is the exact nature of the relationships? Are they in cahoots? Competing? And most importantly for the victims: can it be stopped?

To confuse things even further, I would guess that there are competing factions within both the human and the alien elements. And, of course, it would appear that there are many alien races involved.

Even the abduction scenario can't be pinned down to mere biological examinations by grey organic beings. Jaques Vallee and John Keel's research indicate that many of these abductees journeys are purely mental trips. The question then arises: what is happening to their bodies while they are on these mental trips?

And yet, it appears many abductions are exactly what they seem - the physical hijacking of one's body to a physical vessel for reasons unknown.

Reasons unknown. Sigh. Another poster used the term "metalogic". The first time i heard that term was in a John Keel book. He was speaking on the phone to an alleged alien entity, and the entity spent quite a bit of time trying to explain to Keel what their metalogic was. It sounded like gobbeldygook.

And that's discouraging, isn't it? Even when one of these alien entities actually takes the time to explain themselves in a language one can understand, it's *still* imcomprehensible:)

Great post, it's very encouraging to see someone actually researching & thinking about this phenomena with a genuinely open mind !

I would like to expand on the "mental trip"; sometimes it's very hard to work out if these things are "astral" in nature, or actually physical due to the nature of them & the mental control & memory screening abductees are subject to. Personally I take bruises & implants that work their way out to be proof of physical activity, BUT it's still "mental" in nature, the word I would use for mental is ontological, I got that from the late John Mack who I believe was murdered just for dropping that one word into the subject.

[Spiral]

Spiral, somehow my heart tugs at you. I have a feeling we had very similar experiences. You have that authentic "yeah, thanks for choosing me for your experiment" kind of an attitude. You know, God bless you and all others. Maybe the spiritual aspect only feels dark here because we live on a planet of darkness. In other words, I am wondering if there were any light spiritual aspects to your experience. There was to mine and that's why I was so confused that someone would want to hurt me. I think really they are just trying to stop us from transcending the trap we have all fallen into. You know, when you're on earth, you have to play be earth rules. Some people seem to be seriously cheating.

It's odd how you can just tell isn't it ?

I wouldn't say it's a planet of darkness, but the whole "fallen realm" thing has started to make sense.

There have been "spin off" things from being abducted that have been wonderful, not things I want to post about because they would sound like the boasting of a madman, lets just say I sometimes get a "backstage pass" to life.

[misbis]

misbis.....I have only been a member here a little over two years & the only conclusion I can come to SO FAR is that we are in the middle of somebody else's war & that is why it is all so confusing to us!! :der:

Exactly,dear. Exactly. This is even not our war. The world is stage,but it is not us,playing ON the stage. We are sitting in the public

[misbis]

Thank you ALL of you for great posts and discussion

[Valerie Villars]

Spiral, I'm not so sure about not posting things if they are of the nature of an observer. In other words, this person said this, this is what happened, etc. without getting into ego or the "I know it all because....".

I know a lot of what I experienced was just plain confusing and beings were saying and doing some weird stuff. Maybe if we just started speaking out, without judgement being made by ourselves or others, we would find many commonalities. I find Jordan Maxwell very refreshing in that regard. He just states what happens and refuses to believe or assert he is special.

That kind of testimony just makes me feel less alone.

[petra]

Spiral, I'm not so sure about not posting things if they are of the nature of an observer. In other words, this person said this, this is what happened, etc. without getting into ego or the "I know it all because....".

Maybe if we just started speaking out, without judgement being made by ourselves or others, we would find many commonalities.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. First hand descriptions I find very valuable, and helpful. Even if there's nothing tangible in there at all, it can still help us figure out patterns and correlations.



misbis.....I have only been a member here a little over two years & the only conclusion I can come to SO FAR is that we are in the middle of somebody else's war & that is why it is all so confusing to us!! :der:

Exactly,dear. Exactly. This is even not our war. The world is stage,but it is not us,playing ON the stage. We are sitting in the public

If it's not our war, maybe consider signing up... I don't know about you guys, but I'm volunteering first opportunity I get.



Petra, the raping of anything is flat out wrong ...


Yes it is, but I'll go deeper. Why do they even want to rape. I don't think wanting to rape people is normal, there's something wrong there too.

Psychology seems to think rape fantasies are normal, if you google up "Why am I having rape fantasies" most of the websites seem to say that is a normal thing to happen. Well I disagree.... I don't think it's normal for either sex to have rape fantasies.

[Spiral]

Spiral, I'm not so sure about not posting things if they are of the nature of an observer. In other words, this person said this, this is what happened, etc. without getting into ego or the "I know it all because....".

I know a lot of what I experienced was just plain confusing and beings were saying and doing some weird stuff. Maybe if we just started speaking out, without judgement being made by ourselves or others, we would find many commonalities. I find Jordan Maxwell very refreshing in that regard. He just states what happens and refuses to believe or assert he is special.

That kind of testimony just makes me feel less alone.

OK then I'll just throw somethings out there.

A lot of things open up as side effects of being an abductee, psychic things, and the ability to engage consciously in other dimensions such as the astral & the much less understood & talked about etheric plane, which can directly impact this plane....which means it has "military" implications, which I will not talk about, in fact I refuse to even think about it.

An other thing you might want to have a go with is healing, I have read about remote healing courses which seem identical to what I got taught whilst actually doing it by intelligences that never revealed themselves, but I have an idea.

(It's interesting to try this on plants & animals because they can't be "placebo" effects, they just are what they are.)

One thing they did clearly communicate was that it is NOT remote healing, it's a quantum action, which is probably why the two most interesting people I worked on were in Australia.

Healing is done by directing energies by will, these energies are drawn from the earth (green light up through the feet) & cosmic energy (white light down through the top of the head), into the heart where they blend & are then directed through the arms & out of the hands.

The energy is intelligent & as such the colour of the light (specific to the type of energy) that comes from the hands is always specific to the patients needs, or the point in the patient you are dealing with, there could be multiple problems each requiring specific energies, or sequential, such as when something showing up red needs cooling (anti inflammatory) & then regenerating.

Care has to be taken as regards protection & help, also to make sure there is no back surge of energy / problems from the patient.

Not surprisingly medical problems that medicine can't deal with because they are "energy" problems are those that often respond the best & in the most remarkable manner.

One other thing I found was an awareness of the energy dynamics in my (extended) family, and how that effects the health & even the wealth of everyone involved.

[Huntress]

OK then I'll just throw somethings out there.

One thing they did clearly communicate was that it is NOT remote healing, it's a quantum action, which is probably why the two most interesting people I worked on were in Australia.

Hi Spiral, can you please expand upon why the Aussie people were so interesting?

[Spiral]

OK then I'll just throw somethings out there.

One thing they did clearly communicate was that it is NOT remote healing, it's a quantum action, which is probably why the two most interesting people I worked on were in Australia.

Hi Spiral, can you please expand upon why the Aussie people were so interesting?

What I meant was the distance made it interesting because they couldn't have been further away.

[Valerie Villars]

Spiral, now this is very interesting. I am always fascinated by people who can explain the science behind these things. I can't. I'm just a plain ole dummy when it comes to explaining. Intuition seems to be my gift.

I know when my experience started, I healed myself and didn't do it consciously. I had deep cuts in the bottoms of my feet that just sort of appeared. I went to sleep one night, woke up glowing (literally from the inside) and found not only were all the cuts healed, but the skin seemed to be new like a baby.

Of course all this was extremely baffling. I understand it can happen now, but have no clue how or why.

Then there was the whole "astral" experience, which took me years to unravel. I had no clue what was happening to me. It was just "wham". I still really don't, but it is due to the courage and openness of others in history and now, who have helped me understand how strange this all really is and that I am not alone, which was a HUGE relief. But, then comes the who, what, where, when, why and how questions. And on it goes.

[Valerie Villars]

Yes, Spiral, I am interested too. I have a very big carnelian rock that someone sent me from Australia years ago. It's on my front porch. Carnelian is a healing stone. You said a lot in that post.

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Sorry, been trying to catch up to replies and somehow skipped a few and wrote the last one out of sequence.

[Spiral]

Spiral, now this is very interesting. I am always fascinated by people who can explain the science behind these things. I can't. I'm just a plain ole dummy when it comes to explaining. Intuition seems to be my gift.

I know when my experience started, I healed myself and didn't do it consciously. I had deep cuts in the bottoms of my feet that just sort of appeared. I went to sleep one night, woke up glowing (literally from the inside) and found not only were all the cuts healed, but the skin seemed to be new like a baby.

Of course all this was extremely baffling. I understand it can happen now, but have no clue how or why.

Then there was the whole "astral" experience, which took me years to unravel. I had no clue what was happening to me. It was just "wham". I still really don't, but it is due to the courage and openness of others in history and now, who have helped me understand how strange this all really is and that I am not alone, which was a HUGE relief. But, then comes the who, what, where, when, why and how questions. And on it goes.

Very interesting, did you see or sense any presence(s) at any time during that experience ?

I once had a broken leg bone lined up by three light beings so it could heal properly, it was a crazy & very painful experience, the energy they pumped into it was incredible.


I've missed a bit on here due to commitments elsewhere.

[Valerie Villars]

Spiral, unfortunately, no. Went to bed one night with the deep cuts and woke up the next morning glowing from the inside and cuts completely healed. It was a most surreal experience.

However, I must have been around something of real power, because one morning I woke up to find disintegrated stones and jewels in all my jewelry, plus all the metal was completely mangled. I still have the bracelets.

I was popping in and out of all kinds of weird experiences; dimensions; beings. I could recount the whole thing but it would be a book.

I will say that somehow my DNA woke up and the rest, as they say, is history. Except that it made my life very strange for a really long time. There were benevolent beings but they were visible. I even had a cadre of angels; beings with no expression all dressed the same, watching me. All kinds of different beings. Some were NOT benevolent.

[Valerie Villars]

Wow. That's incredible. I understand that pumped energy though. I had that, too.

I wonder what is different about this time and place, where we are all allowed to have and share these experiences. It seems they were very isolated in history before these days.

[Spiral]

Wow. That's incredible. I understand that pumped energy though. I had that, too.

I wonder what is different about this time and place, where we are all allowed to have and share these experiences. It seems they were very isolated in history before these days.

Maybe not reported on so much, the nature of this forum means we can discuss things like this without being mocked, attacked or locked up.

I think if you have been through those things you must be very unusual & of real interest to beings on either "side", you are probably from somewhere other than this "pit", and chose to come here for some reason.

[Valerie Villars]

Ha, I wish I knew. Everyone was very careful not to tell me anything concrete like; "Hey you just entered the fourth dimension; the twilight zone" or "guess what, you are from the moon and you were't supposed to remember that till after you died" or a hundred other scenarios. Some were very kind, some were checking me out and some beings were not of "this world." They all seemed to know who I was.

How do you find something like that out?

Did anyone tell you anything or did you have a real knowing of anything along those lines about yourself? Did your light beings just show up while you were awake? Did you get anything telepathically from them? I have a million questions.

[findingneo]

Thanks for sharing Villival and Spiral. I was wondering, if rock gems and metal were to go trans-dimensional while tagging along on the human body, how might it effect the energetic and then the physical gem/metal, afterwards do you wonder? It is a bit mind boggling.

[9ideon]

See the work of Dr David Jacobs (and before him, Budd Hopkins and Dr John Mack).

Some abductions may be military operations (which is the origin of the term Milab, for Military Abductee), but even then the evidence suggests that at least in some cases the military are re-abducting alien abductees to try to get to the bottom of what the ETs are doing themselves.

The many thousands of regressions done by Jacobs, Hopkins and Mack (others, too) all overwhelmingly prove without any reasonable doubt that there's an alien abduction phenomenon which is very real indeed.

Just entertain the following alternative for a moment and think about it.

What if they come in through the Pineal Gland? They would not need physically be present to make the "subject" suffer mentally... At the same time People would never have to leave their room to be manipulated with physically simply because you are shown something which is not there entirely.

Iwo, in both cases the gland would be used to manipulate the "patient", which is not far fetched since it's a cut off "landline", just because there is no signal going out doesn't mean no one can get in.

For what it's worth, don't think their Aliens either, my feeling dictates Pre-Flood (Evil) Cousins.

:cheers:

[Valerie Villars]

When I think "alien" I simply mean beings who we have been conditioned not to see or believe. Most of what I saw were very, very human looking, but different. You can just tell.

And I understand the light thing (a consequence of some kind of alignment of dna with certain energies) but the disintegration of stones (turquoise and amethyst) and the twisted metal (copper spirals, brass and sterling silver) is really a mind blower.

The real point is that everything and anything is possible through God.

[petra]

What if they come in through the Pineal Gland? They would not need physically be present to make the "subject" suffer mentally... At the same time People would never have to leave their room to be manipulated with physically simply because you are shown something which is not there entirely.


I don't really have much knowledge on the Pineal Gland, I wonder could it have to do with dreams? I totally feel like I have some "fake dreams", and since I can't control my dreams, I kind of feel assaulted by them at times. I know it sounds paranoid but at times it feels like what I think is a dream, isn't even a dream. It's just a memory poked into my head as I am waking up. I kind of hope I am wrong. Although it's just a dream and not real I find that it has a real impact on me.



For what it's worth, don't think their Aliens either, my feeling dictates Pre-Flood (Evil) Cousins.


I feel like something similar, but more like "Evil Twins". This probably sounds dumb too, but feels like we all might have an evil twin somewhere.


When I think "alien" I simply mean beings who we have been conditioned not to see or believe. Most of what I saw were very, very human looking, but different. You can just tell.

I've had to re-define alien over and over. Does it have to have a body to be an alien? Because I don't think so, I think more along the lines of aliens being anything other than humans.



The real point is that everything and anything is possible through God.

In a way, God is like a big weird alien too :) I mean, I don't expect to ever be able to understand - but I kind of feel like God would agree (and maybe laugh at) that definition.

[Valerie Villars]

Petra, thank God for humor. It's a real life saver. Mostly I think God thinks it's funny when we take ourselves too seriously. It's not funny to us, though. Maybe it will be later.

[petra]

Petra, thank God for humor. It's a real life saver. Mostly I think God thinks it's funny when we take ourselves too seriously. It's not funny to us, though. Maybe it will be later.

INDEED :) I'm already thinking about monkeys from the other thread where I was thinking about the Monkey Paw tale and RH- factor, and now I'm thinking about "monkey humor". Yeah yea, something probably thinks we're like monkeys. Ha ha. We know :)

[Spiral]

Ha, I wish I knew. Everyone was very careful not to tell me anything concrete like; "Hey you just entered the fourth dimension; the twilight zone" or "guess what, you are from the moon and you were't supposed to remember that till after you died" or a hundred other scenarios. Some were very kind, some were checking me out and some beings were not of "this world." They all seemed to know who I was.

How do you find something like that out?

Did anyone tell you anything or did you have a real knowing of anything along those lines about yourself? Did your light beings just show up while you were awake? Did you get anything telepathically from them? I have a million questions.

Do you know that is exactly what happens to me, they are VERY careful not to let me know anything, they all seem to know who I am which is annoying because I bloody well don't lol.

The three light beings that showed up did so in the middle of the night, they said nothing, they were humanoid, white & smaller than humans, 4 1/2 to 5 feet maybe.

Previous to this I had what I thought were "dreams" with a bunch of similar (or the same ?) light beings who took me to "work on" / help someone I knew, who was in his last days (brain tumor). I didn't know him that well, he knew hundreds of people & was at the time about a 1000kms away from where I was, after he died I attended a local service for him (he spent all his holidays near where I lived & was well known), after the service a normally very reserved middle class lady came over (almost running) to me to demand why he talked about me a lot in his last hours.....I was as shocked as she was confused !

I also went through a phase where I was taught "remote healing", the only direct communication I got in all that time was a rebuke for calling it "remote healing", I was told it was "quantum".


Thanks for sharing Villival and Spiral. I was wondering, if rock gems and metal were to go trans-dimensional while tagging along on the human body, how might it effect the energetic and then the physical gem/metal, afterwards do you wonder? It is a bit mind boggling.

Probably a lot I would have thought. Once when I was meditating very deeply in my late teens I was told very sternly NOT to get piercings or tattoos, anyone's guess why ??



See the work of Dr David Jacobs (and before him, Budd Hopkins and Dr John Mack).

Some abductions may be military operations (which is the origin of the term Milab, for Military Abductee), but even then the evidence suggests that at least in some cases the military are re-abducting alien abductees to try to get to the bottom of what the ETs are doing themselves.

The many thousands of regressions done by Jacobs, Hopkins and Mack (others, too) all overwhelmingly prove without any reasonable doubt that there's an alien abduction phenomenon which is very real indeed.

Just entertain the following alternative for a moment and think about it.

What if they come in through the Pineal Gland? They would not need physically be present to make the "subject" suffer mentally... At the same time People would never have to leave their room to be manipulated with physically simply because you are shown something which is not there entirely.

Iwo, in both cases the gland would be used to manipulate the "patient", which is not far fetched since it's a cut off "landline", just because there is no signal going out doesn't mean no one can get in.

For what it's worth, don't think their Aliens either, my feeling dictates Pre-Flood (Evil) Cousins.

:cheers:

Nice to see you MS, remote manipulation is undoubtedly very real, and takes many forms, I agree with who they are, they aren't allowed back in that form (IMO) but won't stop either trying to find some way back or doing what they can to interfere.

[Valerie Villars]

Ah, you are a Godsend Spiral. It gives me a warm, cozy feeling to know you were just as knocked about as I was. :bigsmile:

The way I like to think about it is that someone figured out I had some kind of magic and they decided to f*ck with me.

[findingneo]

Good advice from your peeps Spiral. I have read here and there, that even if the body is not taken, on an energetic level you can be taken and then marks appear on the physical body, but like it has healed partially, and said to be from activities done in the other dimension. As the the energetic part of that person has been worked on by the abductor, it translates to the physical body as marks, etc. I have also read that some folks DNA can't cope with the trans-dimensional travel, but some are ok with it, and they are regular travelers. The others only get one trip in. Perhaps the metal and gems are not the expected night garb through dimensions, and they have not been so compatible with dimensional travel. Hate to imagine what piercings through the body would turn out like. Reminds me of the mishaps with the transporter on The Enterprise.

[Spiral]

Good advice from your peeps Spiral. I have read here and there, that even if the body is not taken, on an energetic level you can be taken and then marks appear on the physical body, but like it has healed partially, and said to be from activities done in the other dimension. As the the energetic part of that person has been worked on by the abductor, it translates to the physical body as marks, etc. I have also read that some folks DNA can't cope with the trans-dimensional travel, but some are ok with it, and they are regular travelers. The others only get one trip in. Perhaps the metal and gems are not the expected night garb through dimensions, and they have not been so compatible with dimensional travel. Hate to imagine what piercings through the body would turn out like. Reminds me of the mishaps with the transporter on The Enterprise.

The advice might have been instructions to make me easier to abduct !

As for people take it differently, to the best of my knowledge my brothers have all been abducted too, whilst I have just developed food allergies they have developed all manner of things that means they all need drugs to stay alive....non of our 30+ cousins have these maladies.