Julian Assange's Ties to Nazi Cult [Archive] - The Project Avalon Community Forum

loveandgratitude

28th December 2010, 01:56

http://www.henrymakow.com/stranger_than_fiction_life_of.html

When Julian was 8-years-old, his mother, Christine, married a member of "The White Brotherhood" - aka "The Family" or San*ti*nike*tan Park Asso*ci*a*tion, a private psychiatric hospital on the outskirts of Melbourne Australia.

In the 1960's-1980's, the Santiniketan Park Association received CIA-Sandoz LSD-25.

The psychiatric hospital was part of a New Age colony with about 200 members. They were all professionals: psychiatrists, medical doctors - 25% were nurses - lawyers, and ranking civil servants and social workers.

The allegations were that these people used their authority to "collect" (kidnap) children. As many as twenty eight children had been 'collected' under the custody of the director, Anne Hamilton-Byrne, a theosophist. Children were selected for their Aryan traits.
Cult members have disclosed the children were collected for a "scientific experiment". Though Hamilton-Byrne (left, insert) remained silent, members disclosed that Hamilton-Byrne predicted a global holocaust which wipe out most of humanity. She was preparing the cult children to be "inheritors of the earth".

The "Family" was related to the Nazi "Lebensborn e. V." organization founded in December, 1935 as a "registered association" ostensibly to foster population increase in 'declining' 'pure Aryan' stock in Europe.

lebensborn01.jpgLebensborn e. V was under the authority of the SS "race and settlement bureau". Lebensborn is best remembered as a breeding program for SS 'studs' with select Aryan female volunteers. The project included social workers of the settlement bureau screening schools and hospitals in Germany and occupied Europe looking for infants and children that fit the Nazi eugenics profile of traits.

Here's where things get weird. Pirate Bay Lundstrom's family was linked with Sandoz pharmaceuticals. Sandoz had been a division of Nazi corp I.G. Farbin during WWII, patented the only pharmaceutical LSD in the world.

These revelations provide more evidence of Assange's ties with the Illuminati, as if any were needed. Hamilton-Byrne's family was probably one of many cells in a post-war Nazi "Lebensborn" program assisted by the CIA and MK-ULTRA.

more information on the above link.............

As a researcher we need to look at all the facts about who this Julian Asange is....
Who does he work for..........a lot more coming.....stay tuned

Tuza

28th December 2010, 02:09

Thank you for that link above loveandgratitude I went and gave it a good read. As a 56 year old Australian living in Melbourne I remember the whole story of "The Family", the kidnapped children, etc, etc. and yes the leader was a total nutter in need of some major psychiatric help.

As for the rest linking Julian A to the illuminati just by his mother marrying again and going to live at that compound, I don't think so. MK maybe, maybe, I think Julian is one smart hacker but a bit of a stretch to link him to the Nazis and the illuminati. Just as well the poor guy is not living back in old blighty during the middle ages eh.

str8thinker

28th December 2010, 03:48

I agree that the link to Nazi cults is a rather long leap. Recently I looked into JA's background here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9199-Julian-Assange-s-old-website-IQ.org-%28pre-Wikileaks%29&p=79644&viewfull=1#post79644) and it seemed that he and his mother moved around a lot to escape that very influence, emanating from his mother's new partner. To what degree Julian actually became embroiled in it is a subject he is reluctant to discuss.

Humble Janitor

28th December 2010, 06:30

Do you honestly think that if JA were a nazi himself, that he would be releasing such information? I highly doubt it.

It's true that more information on his background may help. It may also hurt what he is trying to do. Many people can't see this and choose instead to look at his background/personal life.

Since when was it ever a good idea to shoot the messenger? Why can't people just LOOK at the information from the cables more than JA himself?

ascendingstarseed

28th December 2010, 07:05

What's happening with freedom of the press is what's at issue here, since when do we "take out" or arrest newspaper editors or journalists who are only doing the job of informing the public about crimes committed by the government or military? There have been calls to assasinate him or try him for treason, when the major newspapers were also in on this story - they made deals with the Pentagon to publish the information from Wikileaks.

I get suspect anytime I see someone attacking Assange, this isn't about him. This is about delivering the truth and our rights as citizens to have a FREE PRESS. The US mass media is anything but free, they cover-up, lie and omit critical information as a way to keep the public subdued. Uninformed so they happily keep working for the ruling elite and their corporate masters. When messenger is intimidated and harrased, it only discourages other editors and journalists from standing in their integrity to deliver the truth on sensitive issues with the State or powerful corporations known to silence rabble rousers.

I don't give a hoot how Assange grew-up or who his parents were associated with...I care about what's happening in Iraq, Afghanistan etc. Lies and crimes committed on behalf of the American people only come back to hurt all of us. People in other countries blame you and I for what our leaders do, it all reflects back on us....which in turn endangers you, I, our friends and family members when they travel overseas, among many other things.

fifi

28th December 2010, 07:10

When messenger is intimidated and harrased, it only discourages other editors and journalists from standing in their integrity to deliver the truth on sensitive issues with the State or powerful corporations known to silence rabble rousers.

I totally agree with you, ascendingstarseed.

loveandgratitude

28th December 2010, 07:14

Remember the information he released was not of any importance........it only hurt IRAN.....Pakistan.......Arabia and Hiliary. Nothing about Israel....
very selective info..............FREE PRESS is important......but look at what our FREE PRESS is up to these days.......we really need to be discrimate about what is shoved down our throats.........is it what we really want to swallow if we do not know what it is.............we must find out what we are eating before we swallow...........only research does that...............remember the original members of WIKILEAKS left wikileaks after Julian Asange arrived on the scene with a lot of money..........that ran and started cyberpunks.........there is so much fuzzy stuff around JA...........that many researchers smell a rat.........it looks like they (TPTB) want to control the internet.....and are looking for a way to do this......................lets see if JA comes up with any real information...........instead of the low level - graded confidential at the most..........definietely not TOP SECRET

Ross

28th December 2010, 07:29

Lets just chain him to the back of the truck and drag his ass up a very stoney road...then we'll rub salt into his wounds before we burn him at the stake...

loveandgratitude

28th December 2010, 07:38

Can you please tell us the all so important info that he released...many people are interested in learning that.....can you please tell us. Thank you.

loveandgratitude

28th December 2010, 07:45

Do you care about who Obama's parentage is........wher he came from.....or did you just vote for him believing the lies...he told........the change he was going to bring....did hyou just accept him at face value.....not question........not researching..........who he is.....who he was.......then you get the government that you deserve.......OR did you look deeper find the truth and try to warn people.....only to have people defend OBAMA...not willing to see the truth..............people do not want to see the truth.....only what they want to believe...............can you say for certain that JA is not a psyco op.........can you really say for certain................only when we look at all the facts..........then we have a better understanding of the situation...................

Zook

28th December 2010, 07:51

Hi Ross,

Lets just chain him to the back of the truck and drag his ass up a very stoney road...then we'll rub salt into his wounds before we burn him at the stake...

I don't think your comments are being fair to the body of evidence. If it looks like a duck, smells like a duck, walks like a duck, talks like a duck ... and offers a false position on 9/11//2001 ... at some point, the call has to be made. Wikileaks is an asset of the Illuminati/Zionist/Freemasonry/Vatican bankster empire. The empire has many minions, not just Julian Assange - le minion de jour. Should they all be tied to the back of the truck and dragged around? I don't think any genune truthseeker is asking for that. Cognitive resonance is all that is being sought here. Humble opinions all around.

:smow::typing:

ps: Reasonable people can disagree with each other when the evidence is unclear. When clear evidence is ignored and/or unclear evidence is promoted; people tend to get unreasonable. Sadly, that appears to be the case with all this much ado about Wikileaks.

ps2: From the sublime to the ridiculous ... JA has a book deal with a corporate publishing house for some 1.3 million dollars, now? *shakes head* For an apparent fugitive from law, he's doing quite well for himself. He lives in a mansion; the paparazzi are after him; the publishers want to toss cash at him ... all Osama got was a cold floor in a cave.
Then again, Osama was born into riches. I guess symmetry is being observed ... after all, Julian is a hit with the rags!

Ross

28th December 2010, 08:03

Can you please tell us the all so important info that he released...many people are interested in learning that.....can you please tell us. Thank you.

I am waiting...just like you, I even suggested a 'dripping' leaks site...However, I will not join in on the debunking/digging up dirt campaign of Assange. I am withholding my judgment, as I simply do not have enough facts.

Assange has provided documents to the media, 250,000 of an estimated 16 million docs. I would suggest be patient, I have had too myself...but buying into the anti Assange hype, at this stage of the game is not the way to go...

Not since President Richard Nixon directed his minions to go after Pentagon Papers leaker Daniel Ellsberg and New York Times reporter Neil Sheehan -- has a working journalist and his source been subjected to the kind of official intimidation and threats including unofficial dirt digging that has been directed at Assange.

Lets not burn him yet...thats my advice.

Ross

Ross

28th December 2010, 08:23

Hi Zook,

If it looks like a duck, smells like a duck, walks like a duck, talks like a duck

It must be a duck?

Lets be careful with this one...an excellent ruse in itself.

My first post was certainly rough and sarcastic, Do not wish to offend, sincerely. It does reflect my view of 'jumping the gun' even in the face of the 'body of evidence' and there still remains two sides of evidence...I guess years of, indirectly, learning to discern, has taught me to be very careful and patient with what I end up deciding for myself.

Ross

Zook

28th December 2010, 08:27

I am waiting...just like you, I even suggested a 'dripping' leaks site...However, I will not join in on the debunking/digging up dirt campaign of Assange. I am withholding my judgment, as I simply do not have enough facts. Assange has provided documents to the media, 250,000 of an estimated 16 million docs. I would suggest be patient, I have had too myself...but buying into the anti Assange hype, at this stage of the game is not the way to go... Not since President Richard Nixon directed his minions to go after Pentagon Papers leaker Daniel Ellsberg and New York Times reporter Neil Sheehan -- has a working journalist and his source been subjected to the kind of official intimidation and threats including unofficial dirt digging that has been directed at Assange. Lets not burn him yet...thats my advice.
Ross

Again Ross, while I admire your call for patience (and as a rule, subscribe to it), I nonetheless politely suggest that you revisit the actual content of the Pentagon Papers. Daniel Ellesberg was/is a CIA asset. The Pentagon Papers were a psyOps. History is repeating itself. Valuable time and resources are being misdirected now, as they were back then. The Vietnam War was functionally over and the Pentagon Papers were part of an exit strategy. Of course, the mainstream propaganda machines would have us all believe that Ellsberg was a hero of the times, having stopped the bloodshed in Vietnam. Alas, fairy tales are rampant because the public has shown an appetite for them.

Feelgood story to a Faustian doom. Humble opinions all around.

:smow::typing:

ps: The Daniel Ellsberg distraction ultimately led to the transition from Republican Nixon to Democrat and CFR-crony Jimmy Carter (and his handler, Brzezinski, the Devil with the big head on). TMastardsTB who own both parties, got to play bait and switch once again.

ps2: In any event, I've spoke me dwindling mind. As you've said your piece ... we'll just have to agree to disagree. Time will solve the polarities.

Ross

28th December 2010, 08:44

Hi Zook,

I think you have missed my point here:
Not since President Richard Nixon directed his minions to go after Pentagon Papers leaker Daniel Ellsberg and New York Times reporter Neil Sheehan -- has a working journalist and his source been subjected to the kind of official intimidation and threats including unofficial dirt digging that has been directed at Assange.

I am referring to the hype, not the story within the story, sorry I lead you that way.

Ross

Humble Janitor

28th December 2010, 11:59

Zook

28th December 2010, 12:48

Good morning LoveandGrats, the Earth says hello!

http://www.henrymakow.com/stranger_than_fiction_life_of.html
[...]
These revelations provide more evidence of Assange's ties with the Illuminati, as if any were needed. Hamilton-Byrne's family was probably one of many cells in a post-war Nazi "Lebensborn" program assisted by the CIA and MK-ULTRA.
[...]

They certainly are! I just finished reading the main material (and some of the comment section) at Henry Makow's website. Impressive stuff. The connection to the Illuminati is inescapable! Nazism - like Communism and Zionism - was part of the grand design funded by the banksters, who have split into many tents (e.g. Zionists, Freemasons, Jesuits, etc.). The Illuminati are merely higher level administrators of the the tent collective.

Thank you again for the link. It takes a joint effort to dig out the information. Kudos to Henry Makow for fleshing out the details on the Hamilton-Byrne Lebensborn-modeled cult. It appears that both Assange and his phony accuser, Ardin, are working in the Zionist tent of the Illuminati bankster empire (e.g. for the Zionist faction and agenda).

:smow::typing::smow::smow::smow:

ps: Cognitive resonance is a sweet state ... to it, oft, a bitter path. Humble opinions all around.

StephenW11UK

28th December 2010, 17:12

loveandgratitude, As a highly committed member of Santiniketan Lodge for 20 years and with a lesser involvement for the next 10 , I feel I am qualified to make some relevant comments in relation to the Richard Evans report you link to. My memory, of course, is not infallible. Absolutist claims of any kind do NOT appeal to me.

1. The Santinikketan Park Association was NOT "a private psychiatric hospital on the outskirts of Melbourne Australia". It was the name of the association whose members built the meeting hall in the Dandenong Hills outside Mebourne used primarily by Anne Hamilton-Byrne to expound her spiritual teachings.
2. There was a psychiatric hospital, towards the centre of Melbourne, whose matron (a close friend of Anne's) owned and ran it.
3. There were two psychiatrists I later came to know fairly well on a personal level who saw patients there. In 1968 I was one of those. They both used LSD - at a time when this was perfectly legal. Indeed I had quite a number of treatments there over the next 3 to 4 years and, as we would say in the UK: it was all "on the National Health".
4. Of the Family members, besides the 2 shrinks there were, to my knowledge, 4 medical doctors, quite a few nurses, maybe even 25%, 1 social worker and 1 legal man that I knew of and, of the rest, some had professions but lots of others, including myself, had no qualifications. By the way, 200 members seems a stretch; but over two decades there might well have been that number.
5."The allegations were that these people used their authority to "collect" (kidnap) children". The far more appropriate word here is 'collect', not 'kidnap'. The one case I was at all involved in was that of a couple (friends of mine) who couldn't have children. What happened was that one of the Family doctors had a young, unmarried woman patient who didn't want to keep the baby she was soon to give birth to. My friends were only too pleased to take this baby (and later adopt it legally) instead of the poor child being put into care.
6. As for the children and their "Ayrian traits", that just doesn't apply. If they looked Aryian it was because their hair was bleached. The 3 oldest boys and their cousin, when they came to secondary school in the UK, had very normal brown hair. One of the younger girls I knew to be brown-haired too.
7. But why the bleached hair? I have no idea! For me it was just a personal whim of Anne's and in those days it was not the tradition to question one's guru about anything related to their personal or family life. Indeed, I don't remember ever talking to any other member of the Family about it. To my mind, this is pretty good evidence that, despite all my close association with the children over the years, it never even occurred to me that those children were being in any way maltreated.
8. Now, to make my claims at all credible, some necessary background info. In the early years I was a frequent visitor at Anne's home in the "Hills", for meals or talks with Anne. I also spent 3 or 4 weekends at Anne's home in the country. In the mid to late 70s I spent about a month 3 times at Anne's "shack" in upper New York state, one time when Anne and most of the children were there too, in order to in troduce them to and to pay frequent visits to the very large ashram of the famous Swami Muktananda.
Arranging once more for one of the members to finance me, I was asked to go to India to spend a couple of months in a very small ashram in a town NW of Madras. I stayed there for nine months, during which time I went on a six-week train journey (as part of an Hindu pilgrimage tour) going up as far as Srinagar in Kashmir (not by train, of course). Next, 9 months in Dharmsala, the Dalai Lama's centre; 9 months divided between 2 large ashrams in Delhi; and nine months in the Himalayas up from Haridwar.
After that I lived for six and a half years in Anne's home in the UK along with 3 of the 'aunties' and one other man. During that time the children came over for some months, during which time I helped with their school work (I had a background in French).
During my whole 20 years in the Family I had close friendships with several of the aunties and was on good terms with numbers of the men who were also close to Anne. Why the special friendships with the women? Could be because I'm gay.
Towards the end of 1990 I moved to London - with Anne's complete approval - to carry on with my spiritual work on my own.
9. [i] Having not been in Australia during the time Julian Assange's mother and current husband are said to have been members, I can't comment.
[ii] With respect to the claim that "Hamilton-Byrne predicted a global holocaust which wipe out most of humanity. She was preparing the cult children to be 'inheritors of the earth'". Anne was not one to make predictions. I remember only 2 very minor ones. That she believed in a global holocaust is news to me. And the reporter gives no indication as to how the kids (fairly normal kids, in many ways) were going to survive the holocaust.
[iii] Now for the alleged connection with "a post-war Nazi "Lebensborn" program assisted by the CIA and MK-ULTRA" - a 'program' I've never heard of. Never in my 20 years was there ever the slightest hint of such a connection. I would call ithe suggestion preposterous.
10. Julian's hair: It's obvious from his interviews that his hair style and colour are subject to frequent change. Many women must envy him. I find them charming! - and him (possibly even with some weaknesses!) a great freedom fighter!

Houman

28th December 2010, 18:59

As a researcher we need to look at all the facts about who this Julian Asange is....

Did you ever wondered why he posted this picture with the comment below?
http://web.archive.org/web/20071020051936/http://iq.org/#Thoseeyes

http://web.archive.org/web/20071020051936/http://iq.org/puk-eyes.jpg

Ross

28th December 2010, 19:36

Concerning the use of LSD in Psychiatric hospitals, my dear friends (of 38 yrs) father was the Head Psychiatrists at Tokonui Hospital In NZ. During the 60's-85. This Hospital at the time was considered to be one of the largest in the Southern hemisphere.

StephenW11UK post reminded me of something I had forgotten. In their family house, medicine cupboard were several vials of LSD, which was commonly used in treatment at the hospital...He obviously brought these home for his own used, I presume.

The point is, LSD was commonly used with certain patients and I get the feeling that the OP post, taken from the Henrymarkow site, has some deliberate 'trying to join dots' to fit a story and not necessarily correct thorough research.

Stephens post has highlighted several points here that provide us with a different view to that of the OP post...of which seems to have some serious flaws. This is an example of why I am very careful at what conclusions I jump to, in a world where anything goes and any and all information is often seriously dodgy.

Ross

pilotsimone

28th December 2010, 19:40

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Ross

28th December 2010, 19:46

The only thing that matters is what JA leaks, not who he is.

This is a fun suspense though, isn't it? Trying find out who JA really is and what he's really trying to do.

I just watched the movie 'Salt' this weekend. OMG, I need to start a thread on that alone. Anyway in my fantasy fun dream, it plays out that both JA and Obama ARE programmed in some way. Both of their 'jobs' started with them completely in line and ready to go. Then something happened. They started remembering, started conquering the programming (with help from higher realms, of course) and broke free. Just in time to pull some crazy-ass move no one saw coming...something completely simple, yet brilliant...and all truth is exposed. No one is left wondering. The Light wins! The end. :)

Excellent movie Salt...the double triple agent trick...

StephenW11UK

28th December 2010, 21:00

Hi Tuza, Just a correction to this comment: "As for the rest linking Julian A to the illuminati just by his mother marrying again and going to live at that compound". There was no 'compound' for anyone to live in. The only building there was the meditation hall. Julian's family, if they went at all frequently to meetings there, would probably, like any other member, have lived in a normal house either on the hills or somewhere close by.

Banshee

28th December 2010, 21:58

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Ahkenaten

28th December 2010, 22:22

Yeah Banshee - the whole "guilt by association" is a common rhetorical device (and that is being polite about propaganda) used to personalize an argument, redirecting the energy and attention to an INDIVIDUAL rather than the facts discussed, or the logical methods used to analyze the arguments for or against a position on an issue.

shadowstalker

28th December 2010, 22:27

It must be a duck?
Both my grandparents where masons
One of my grandfathers was put in a concentrations camp for being a nazi simply because he came off the boat.

If we are dealing with lineage for proof, then I must be a nazi-mason by default.

Banshee

28th December 2010, 23:32

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Zook

28th December 2010, 23:38

Hi Stalks,

It must be a duck?
Both my grandparents where masons
One of my grandfathers was put in a concentrations camp for being a nazi simply because he came off the boat.
If we are dealing with lineage for proof, then I must be a nazi-mason by default.

Not at all. You're only a duck if you yourself start highstepping past a Nazi flag with one arm raised at approximately 44.256 degrees (and taut as a titanium rod). The argument of ducks is not an argument of lineage, but of the focal object in the viewing lens. To wit, Jeffrrey Dahmer is not Jeffrey Dahmer's mother ... and Cain ain't Abel. Humble opinions all around.

:smow::typing:

ps: Julian Assange is in the viewing field; and the body of evidence is the incessant quacking and quackery (e.g. 9/11/2001 is a false conspiracy?? ... hello, what is that all about?).

shadowstalker

28th December 2010, 23:52

the whole "guilt by association" is a common rhetorical device
Actually....LOL...I was responding to the above statement....

Zook

29th December 2010, 00:39

Hi Ahks!

Yeah Banshee - the whole "guilt by association" is a common rhetorical device (and that is being polite about propaganda) used to personalize an argument, redirecting the energy and attention to an INDIVIDUAL rather than the facts discussed, or the logical methods used to analyze the arguments for or against a position on an issue.

I enjoy tangling with you best ... tho' on this particular issue of JA (a legend in the making and the baking and the faking), I could've just as easily picked one of the other posts to rebut. And the fatal flaw in your reasoning (and the others) is this: association with the Hamilton-Byrne cult (and all its attending practices: LSD-experiments, silver-hair gang psychology, sexual abuse (pedophilia??), mind control, etc.) ... is merely one piece in a preponderance of the evidence! On its own, the argument of association surrenders a victim, Julian Assange. But the boy grew up to be a man (as most of us are prone to do). And the man has become a perpetrator.

You'll find that in this world, Ahks ... and in all rational worlds ... that the moral currency of the victim is spent fast when the victim turns to perpetrator. This man-from-boy (who probably never had a decent chance at life) nonetheless dances on the graves of 3000+ souls that were murdered on 9/11/2001. I don't know if many people like to hear it put quite that way ... but that is exactly the way it fits! Evidentiary piece #2.

I've already preponderated five other pieces of evidence here on Avalon (Mark Stephens common link to the Rothschilds; Matt Rothschild direct link; Assange's praise for false flag opportunist, war criminal, and on again off again leader of Rothschild state and virtual estate, Israel (Netanyahu); funding of Wikileaks by Rothschild agent George Soros; Rothschild rag facilitation of Wikileaks) ... more pieces are coming to light every day. I mean, not every pariah running from the corporate-military complex gets to sign a deal with a corporate publishing house for $1.3 million dollars (unless they are serving the interests of The Corporation). Ardin - Assange's rape accuser - has also been implicated in MK-Ultra mind control programming; she is currently in Palestine (I believe), undoubtedly working as an asset for CIA/Mossad/MI6.

Of the mentioned pieces of evidence, only one has the ability to unilaterally pull JA off his moral high horse and collapse the Wikileaks charade (e.g. the 9/11/2001 false conspiracy statement). The others acquire this ability with preponderance (and not without). Suffice to say, when the preponderance exists, to not acknowledge it is to strip important narrative from the debate and make conclusions on selective evidence.

To wit, free-body diagrams are only useful when trying to understand each force of multiple forces acting on a body. Free body diagrams have no meaningful value when only a single force is acting on a body. What I see in some of the responses in this thread ... is akin to a free-body diagram attempting to understand a single force, and only a single force. And that is equivalent to the logical fallacy better known as circular reasoning. Humble opinions all around.

:smow::typing:

ps: Some have surreptitiously implied in other threads (not you, Ahks) that pit bull vigor in the pursuit of intellectual rectitude amounts to egocentricity (I'm paraphrasing, of course). If that's their thinking, then I'm sad to say that they've already fallen prey to the engineered destruction of critical thought by TMastardsTB. My apology in advance to anyone who thinks I maybe using much too active a voice when perhaps a passive one holds more wisdom. I'm still working on that flaw in my character.

Ahkenaten

29th December 2010, 01:23

Hi Ahks!

I enjoy tangling with you best ... tho' on this particular issue of JA (a legend in the making and the baking and the faking), I could've just as easily picked one of the other posts to rebut. And the fatal flaw in your reasoning (and the others) is this: association with the Hamilton-Byrne cult (and all its attending practices: LSD-experiments, silver-hair gang psychology, sexual abuse (pedophilia??), mind control, etc.) ... is merely one piece in a preponderance of the evidence! On its own, the argument of association surrenders a victim, Julian Assange. But the boy grew up to be a man (as most of us are prone to do). And the man has become a perpetrator.

You'll find that in this world, Ahks ... and in all rational worlds ... that the moral currency of the victim is spent fast when the victim turns to perpetrator. This man-from-boy (who probably never had a decent chance at life) nonetheless dances on the graves of 3000+ souls that were murdered on 9/11/2001. I don't know if many people like to hear it put in that way ... but that is exactly the way it fits! Evidentiary piece #2.

I've already preponderated five other pieces of evidence here on Avalon (Mark Stephens common link to the Rothschilds; Matt Rothschild direct link; Assange's praise for false flag opportunist, war criminal, and on again off again leader of Rothschild state and virtual estate, Israel (Netanyahu); funding of Wikileaks by Rothschild agent George Soros; Rothschild rag facilitation of Wikileaks) ... more pieces are coming to light every day. I mean, not every pariah running from the corporate-military complex gets to sign a deal with a corporate publishing house for $1.3 million dollars (unless they are serving the interests of The Corporation). Ardin - Assange's rape accuser - has also been implicated in MK-Ultra mind control programming; she is currently in Palestine (I believe), undoubtedly working as an asset for CIA/Mossad/MI6.

Of the mentioned pieces of evidence, only one has the ability to unilaterally pull JA off his moral high horse and collapse the Wikileaks charade (e.g. the 9/11/2001 false conspiracy statement). The others acquire this ability with preponderance (and not without). Suffice to say, when the preponderance exists, to not acknowledge is to strip narrative from the debate and make conclusions on selective evidence.

To wit, free-body diagrams are only useful when trying to understand each force of multiple forces acting on a body. Free body diagrams have no meaningful value when only a single force is acting on a body.
What I see in some of the responses in this thread ... is akin to a free-body diagram attempting to understand a single force, and only a single force. And that is the logical fallacy better known as circular reasoning. Humble opinions all around.

:smow::typing:

ps: Some have surreptitiously implied in other threads (not you, Ahks) that pit bull vigor in the pursuit of intellectual rectitude amounts to ego-centrism (I'm paraphrasing, of course). If that's their thinking, then I'm sad to say that they've already fallen prey to the engineered destruction of critical thought by TMastardsTB. My apology in advance to anyone who thinks I maybe using too mI wonduch of an active voice when perhaps a passive one holds more wisdom. I'm still working on that flaw in my character.

WOW! I really would like you to read some of Henry Miller's work. The very impressive onomatopoeic features of your writing style are incredible and your staying power even more so!!

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on these matters. The only objection I have to some of your arguments is that they seem to me (just an observation) to rely on some common rhetorical tactics, in particular guilt by association. As I have said before here, one of my favorite journalists - and I think you would like him very much by the way, is Justin Raimundo of AntiWar.com. He has gone out of his way to avoid public comment on 911 conspiracies to the best of my knowledge...............and when you consider that at one point several years ago "someone" (Guess WHO?!) managed to manipulate the search engines to block access to his website for reasons that I presume you will grasp if you read his columns, I think you also will grasp why he has not taken a public position on the real perps of 911!! Ahk

Erin

29th December 2010, 06:42

Humble Janitor

29th December 2010, 09:26

zook, is it not possible that JA has feigned ignorance of the 9/11 conspiracy in order to maintain relevancy in the MSM?

Still, there is a reason why Wikileaks has gotten far more international MSM recognition that something like Project Camelot. JA has to toe the line with the surface issues for now. I suspect he has a lot in his arsenal ready to go now that he's gotten everyone's attention. It's just a matter of time. Hopefully.

Oh, and I tend to agree with those about the inherent issues with the "guilt by association" mentality. Otherwise I don't think a lot of people here would like me very much if they knew who I was connected to through my parents. ^^;;

It's more likely that there is such information but it has yet to be released. I think that WL is being careful not to open the bag up too much at once, lest everything spills all over.

There is always a chance that cables are being altered, etc. I wish I could see them before they're "doctored".

Elandiel BernElve

29th December 2010, 10:51

Another interesting discussion about mr Assange.
Still i find it hard to take a side, that is, both sides, pro and contra, have sufficient arguments to keep the game in balance and consider it a tie.

One argument should be dismissed. The idea that a freedomfighter, lightworker, avalonian, conspiracytheorist or wikileaker should have a clear trail.
We humans are known to have flaws, do stupid and even horrible things. Yet our power lies in the ablity to be assertive and change to create a new present and future.
We overcome our own fears and weaknesses. That's what makes us resilient.
Of course we should be aware and vigilant of who says what and from what source the information comes from.

Not being a relifreak here but as jesus said, let the one without flaws or sin be the one to throw the first stone.
No one threw a stone. we all have got blood on our hands and we all have trails going back to more sinister times or acts.

Assange's history just is not an absolute argument to consider him a puppet under control.

Love & peace

Banshee

29th December 2010, 15:33

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Ahkenaten

29th December 2010, 16:38

It's more likely that there is such information but it has yet to be released. I think that WL is being careful not to open the bag up too much at once, lest everything spills all over.

There is always a chance that cables are being altered, etc. I wish I could see them before they're "doctored".

Someone on Avalon posted a link to the actual cache of cables that you could plow through if you want to!

loveandgratitude

30th December 2010, 00:47

Everything that is in the cables.....millions of people are ploughing through these.................there is nothing that any informed person knew years ago..........only the dumbed down masses were unaware...........and it becomes news...........all the information to date is old news to the people who got up off the couch and did their homework..........................I will have more information about JA very soon......too busy to get it all together just now.................oh by the way....9/11 was an inside job..................anyone who say otherwise..................is working for the intel global agenda......

fifi

30th December 2010, 01:09

9/11 was an inside job..................anyone who say otherwise..................is working for the intel global agenda......

Not necessarily true. Please see my post in another thread : Julian Assange: Hero or Pawn.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10081-Julian-Assange-Hero-or-Pawn/page2

Zook

30th December 2010, 04:47

Hi pilotsimone,

The only thing that matters is what JA leaks, not who he is.

I beg to disagree. The narrative holds both the message and the messenger. A proper understanding of the narrative can only be had by understanding both the message and teh messenger and not either alone. E.g. Mein Kampf attributed to anonymous would have had a different meaning than Mein Kampf attributed to Adolf Hitler.

This is a fun suspense though, isn't it? Trying find out who JA really is and what he's really trying to do.

I think fun suspense is best left with the works of Agatha Christie and Arthur Conan Doyle. The non-fun type of suspense? If it's there, it's there ... I don't think genuine truthseekers worry too much about it. Indeed, the very goal of critical thinking is to remove suspense wherever it exists. The ongoing presence of suspense tends to frustrate and fatigue. Especially so when the lack of resolution has serious implications.

I just watched the movie 'Salt' this weekend. OMG, I need to start a thread on that alone. Anyway in my fantasy fun dream, it plays out that both JA and Obama ARE programmed in some way. Both of their 'jobs' started with them completely in line and ready to go. Then something happened. They started remembering, started conquering the programming (with help from higher realms, of course) and broke free. Just in time to pull some crazy-ass move no one saw coming...something completely simple, yet brilliant...and all truth is exposed. No one is left wondering. The Light wins! The end. :)

Great. Entertainment is what it is. Alas, conjecture and fictional scenarios do a great disservice to the important process of critical thinking. Surely you see how it could lead to cognitive malfunction?

Humble opinions all around.

:smow::typing:

ps: That movie about staring at goats (with George Clooney) ... or Syriana. Did either benefit the truth ... or hinder it, IYO?

Zook

30th December 2010, 05:40

Hi Ahks,

WOW! I really would like you to read some of Henry Miller's work. The very impressive onomatopoeic features of your writing style are incredible and your staying power even more so!!

The only book by Miller that I have ever read (at least in bits and chunks) is Tropic of Cancer ... but only because I was young and the sexual content piqued my interest. IMHO, and it has to be humble because I've only read that one piece - in bits and chunks at that - his reputation is greater than his literary brilliance. But maybe I'll have a fresh read now that I'm older.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on these matters. The only objection I have to some of your arguments is that they seem to me (just an observation) to rely on some common rhetorical tactics, in particular guilt by association.

Well, let me stop you there. My excoriation of Assange is not founded on any rhetorical device. It is based on the fact of multiple associations that create a preponderance. For mine to be categorized as a rhetorical device, someone in the Rothschild sections of the pyramid would have had to make a declaration that 9/11/2001 was a false conspiracy ... and I would've had to associate Assange to that declaration. But in fact, it was Assange who made that declaration himself. Monumental difference.

As for guilt by association to the Hamilton-Byrne cult, I explicitly stated that that association returns Assange as a victim, i.e innocence by association! Again, my argument is of preponderance, not of guilt by association ... and in the preponderance, there is, indeed, association and guilt carried by it.

As I have said before here, one of my favorite journalists - and I think you would like him very much by the way, is Justin Raimundo of AntiWar.com. He has gone out of his way to avoid public comment on 911 conspiracies to the best of my knowledge...............and when you consider that at one point several years ago "someone" (Guess WHO?!) managed to manipulate the search engines to block access to his website for reasons that I presume you will grasp if you read his columns, I think you also will grasp why he has not taken a public position on the real perps of 911!! Ahk

Well, I remember addressing Justin Raimondo previously on Avalon. Perhaps you haven't read my post yet. My opinion of Raimondo is that he is a gatekeeper. A genuine truthseeker who understands that 9/11/2001 was a false flag event but wants to survive the realpolitik, either keeps quiet on the matter if he is a coward or defers the question posed to him by feigning some level of ignorance. But if he is a gatekeeper, i.e. not a genuine truthseeker, he'll offer an opinion that denigrates both the truth and the genuine truthseekers. Raimondo did just that. My post is here on Avalon somewhere (in it I reference the URL that exposes Raimondo). I believe I also exposed Ron Paul in that post. Ron Paul, too, suffers from cowardice in the real pollitik, IMHO; and I don't trust him at all for that reason. Cynthia McKinney has more balls. Indeed, Ron Paul's comments bolstered the 9/11/2001 deception when he made them, not exposed it. As for Ron Paul's efforts against the Federal Reserve ... it's more token stuff than anything of import. IMHO, G. Edward Griffin did much more to expose and condemn the Federal Reserve with his book The Creature From Jekyll Island than Paul did in all his years of service in Congress. The proof is in the pudding. The anti-Fed Reserve movement owes largely to people like Griffin, and not to politicians like Paul.

To wit, whatever happened to the Patrick Henrys of our day? Be encouraged ... I think we may have found one across the pond in another Irishman, Jim Corr. Humble opinions all around.

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Zook

30th December 2010, 07:22

Hi Cosmic,

zook, is it not possible that JA has feigned ignorance of the 9/11 conspiracy in order to maintain relevancy in the MSM?

Anything is possible. But is it reasonable to have that expectation? Ans: not when it comes from someone who has positioned himself as the avenger of oppressed truths. He would've been better off by deferring any question about 9/11/2001 with a few simple words strung thusly: "Let us wait and see what the cables reveal."

Unfortunately for himself, JA strung other words together: "I'm constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud." ... into a loop around his own neck.

Ron Paul, too, tripped over when he made his own 9/11/2001 comments during the Presidential election run-up (he lost my moral and intellectual support soon afterward, and if I'd been a US citizen, he would have lost my electoral support as well - maybe it's a character flaw, but I have a hard time supporting cowards - tho' I do allocate an amount of pity for them) ... but at least Ron Paul was trying to preserve his voice in the political corridors (ostensibly for the benefit of his constituents). Julian Assange? He is supposed to be a renegade, e.g. a rebel with cause! What logic permits a rebel purported to be leaking sensitive documents, to back off from speaking truthfully on the matter of 9/11/2001 (which is fully in the public domain)?

Is the assembly line (in the rebel-manufacturing factory) pushing forward units into the packaging room before all the screws had been tightened? If not, then what does that say about the rebel who wants to expose the establishment and simultaneously cover up for the establishment? Rebel with just cause? Or cherry-picker without one? Indeed, the preponderance of the evidence establishes the cherry-picker and exposes the rebel-wannabe to be without just cause.

Still, there is a reason why Wikileaks has gotten far more international MSM recognition that something like Project Camelot. JA has to toe the line with the surface issues for now. I suspect he has a lot in his arsenal ready to go now that he's gotten everyone's attention. It's just a matter of time. Hopefully.

Well, conjecture is not proof of anything. Preponderance, OTOH, is. Having said that, let me indulge your conjecture all the same. The likelier reason for JA and Wikileaks getting big press ... is that it keeps the masses numb with trivia, disinformation, selective information, etc. This maintains a high state of confusion; distraction, infojunk ... from which chaos saturates. From chaos to a new world order. Indeed, Yuri Begmenov provides evidence for my conjecture by revealing the psyOps technique used by the former USSR, e.g. Ideological Subversion. I already posted the link here on Avalon, but you can try Google for more info.

There is much evidence of this technique in wide play in America: OJ Simpson trial; the trial of Lorena Loppitov (I mean Bobbitt); the ubiquity of Britney Spears; the celebrity of Snoop Doggy Dog; pornography everywhere (with pills to pep her up and pills to pecker up); American Idol; Tiger Woods; Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?; Who Wants To Marry A Millionaire?; Who Just Wants To Bop One?; Survivor; Shopping channels hawking cubic zirconium, shiwala mops, exercisers, 9/11/2001 commemorative coins; Judge Judy; Larry King; Faux-news; Don Imus; Tucker Carlson; Monday Night Football; Sunday Night Football; Thursday Nioght Football; and now, even Tuesday Night Football, etc. etc.; et cet and era ad infinitum ad nauseam ...

The question I ask you is not how society is ... but how did it get this way? Yuri Begmenov provides the best fitting answer: ideological subversion. JA and Wikileaks, in preponderance, are part of this technique.

There is also a second conjectural point that has to be seriously considered. The creation of a crisis or tipping point to shut down the internet. Ideological subversion understands this as Step Three (of the four basic steps: Demoralization, Destabilization, Crisis, Normalization).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlpODYhnPEo&feature=player_embedded

Oh, and I tend to agree with those about the inherent issues with the "guilt by association" mentality. Otherwise I don't think a lot of people here would like me very much if they knew who I was connected to through my parents. ^^;;

If it were only as simple as guilt by association, you may have a point, Cosmic ... but this is guilt by preponderance. Humble opinions all around.

:smow::typing:

Bright Garlick

19th February 2011, 05:18

Northern Boy

19th February 2011, 06:02

Last I checked the United States was a member of a nazi cult too

Icecold

19th February 2011, 06:16

Zook

19th February 2011, 07:18

My boss once worked as a therapist with children from the Family. Sure they were screwed up kids who had no idea of ordinary reality but to join dots like that is just wishful thinking. And besides the Illuminati are not worth worrying about and have no real connection to any arm of TPTB. I don't think you can say these are the facts and they mean this. These may be the facts second hand but that explains nothing. I'm related to 2 rapists in my family line but that doesn't make me a rapist. :fish:

With due respect, Bright Garlick, guilt by association is not an argument, by and in itself. It requires a narrative.

In the narrative of jurisprudence, accessories-after-the-fact, for instance, can be prosecuted. That's an example of guilt by association ... and an argument of guilt by association in narrative. In the narrative of preponderating the evidence, Julian Assange can be exposed as a propaganda minion of the Rothschild disinformation ministries, if and only if sufficient connections can be found between himself and the Rothschild brand. And precisely because the Rothschild brand, e.g. the bankster empire, owns the establishment - lock, stock, and barrel of monkeys! If Wikileaks and/or Assange are counter-establishment as they purport to be ... then they cannot simultaneously be establishment. That is illogical. To wit, matter is not anti-matter.

Again, guilt by association is only possible in narrative. To that end, I had elucidated the narrative previously on Avalon. Perhaps you had missed it. Here it is again for your edification:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12929-What-did-YOU-think-of-the-60-Minutes-Wikileaks-Julian-Assange-Interview&p=115513&viewfull=1#post115513

beginExcerpt
I've already made the Rothschild-Wikileaks connection (in spades) in another thread. Go here for a review if you're interested (post#9):
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9046-Petition-to-promote-Freedom-Of-Expression-(Web)-Wikileaks&p=78493&viewfull=1#post78493

And here's my discussion of patterns that further indict Wikileaks:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9239-WikiRebels-–-The-Documentary&p=79863&viewfull=1#post79863
end

To wit, Assange's stooge credentials are a slam dunk by any reasonable standard of evidence, not least, the standard of preponderance in narrative.

:smow::typing:

Zook

19th February 2011, 07:26

Last I checked the United States was a member of a nazi cult too

Only parts of the establishment. Major parts, to be sure. And they are as guilty as Julian Assange ... in addition, both are guilty by mutual association, e.g. fraternity in the guilty sections of the same establishment.

:smow::typing:

Zook

19th February 2011, 07:56

Zook old chap, the more that these sorts of allegations are publicised, and we are a public source of information, the more we are putting Assange at risk.

I don't want to become responsible for another death. Especially his.

Will you be satisfied when you hear the news of his deportation to the US of Hell, or his assassination?

Will you be aiding the PTB?

How has he aided and abetted the goals and aims of the Elites?

Ice old chap, I've gone deeper into the rabbit hole than you on this. This is obvious to me; for if you had gone as far as I, you wouldn't be worried about Assange's safety and would consider such a suggestion, ludicrous. Of course, the Mastards can always do to Assange what they do to some of their patsies once the expiry date on usefulness transits into the running clock on a potential snitch (e.g. Oswald) - that sorta thing.

As it stands, you've got things baclwards. It is Assange who is putting people's lives at risk and not the other way around. Hundreds of thousands more innocents will be killed by Assange's decision to stooge for the virtual Rothschild etstate and agitating Zionist state of Israel, which is seeking to complete its Neocon plotted axis of evil through Iran. Wikileaks is a false flag alternative news media operation. In this way, the evil Mastards are using both the mainstream media pipes and the false-flag-alternative Wikileaks media pipe ... to push their war agenda through. From intranational war to regional war to global war ... from global war to global chaos; from chaos to order ... a one world charter with one world bank, one world legal system, one world standing army, one world ... et cetera ad nauseam.

At some point in the game, Ice, you'll have to journey deeper into the rabbit hole ... if not, you'll be better off donating your opinion to the local comedy club. ;)

:smow::typing:

ps: Please read my response to Bright Garlick. It contains the width of my arguments against Assange. <-------- "How has he aided and abetted the goals and aims of the Elites? "- Icecold

ps2: Humble opinions all around.

Northern Boy

19th February 2011, 08:05

Zook

19th February 2011, 17:03

I watched an interview Forget who it was but in it he explained that in order to bring in the NWO one or both of the 2 superpowers at the time had to go . We watched Russia slide and although they are still they are still a formidable adversary not like they used to be . We are now watching the systematic dismantling of the United States. Wikileaks is one of the tools being used to do this. I don`t think Assange knows he is being used. Get rid of the super powers and then form a NWO

Wikileaks is a tool being used to for establishment goals ... not the peoples' goals.
Wikileaks is being touted as the peoples' tool ... not the establishment's tool.

To wit, the putative people's tool is being used to achieve the establishment's goals. Anyone recognize a false flag operation in that thar sentence yet? :jester:

Turning to Assange, the evidence fully supports culpability. If he was being used against his personal knowledge, then only a dumbfuddled dumbfounded befuddled befounded inescapable dolt ... would ever argue that 9/11 was a false conspiracy. But everyone agrees that the man possesses above average intelligence. So we can quickly crumple that paper lamb and toss it in the wastebasket. Mendax-the-Truthseeker ... fits with War-the-Peace ... Ignorance-the-Strength ... and Freedom-the-Slavery. Enter Emmanuel Assange ... I mean Julian Goldstein ... er... Emmanuel Goldstein.

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