Racism

[Mike]

Utter madness, Atman. Wow!:)

Trump is on the case though, God bless him:
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/05/910053496/trump-tells-agencies-to-end-trainings-on-white-privilege-and-critical-race-theor

[Ewan]

I had my eyes opened a sliver more last night in a completely surprising way.

I've always enjoyed westerns, my Grandfather used to read them and had a load of books on his shelves by authors like Louis L'Amour and James Fenimore Cooper, the former was easy to read, the latter much more challenging, but I loved them both nevertheless.
I've always considered that period, (reading all those books), as partly responsible for developing my strong commitment to never bowing to authority, (believing it to be invariably corrupt), and standing up for the underdog.

I watched a movie last night called simply "Posse" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_(1993_film)). The reviews were not favourable.



The film has a 29% on Rotten Tomatoes based on 17 reviews.

Janet Maslin of The New York Times stated, "On the one hand, this obviously talented film maker celebrates all the aggrandizing features of the genre: the laconic tough talk, the manly camaraderie, the proud posturing, the power of walking tall past the awestruck citizenry of a prairie town. On the other hand, "Posse" does its best to reject and avenge what it regards as the flagrant distortions of the past."[4]

Roger Ebert described it as "an overdirected, overphotographed, overdone movie that is so distracted by its hectic, relentless style that the story line is rendered almost incoherent."[5]

Entertainment Weekly gave it a C+ and said it was "a glossy, kinetic pastiche of Western conventions."[6]


I disagree with all of those opinions and can't help but wonder if the reviewers were more uncomfortable that the film exposed the usual rewriting of history.

So what surprised me so much, though on reflection it shouldn't have?
The film claims that almost one in three cowboys were black.

At the end of the film there is some text that I literally type out as I see it on screen.

"The majority of black towns were destroyed, partly due to laws like the 'Grandfather Clause,' which kept African-Americans from voting on the basis that their Grandfathers as slaves had not voted.
Ignored by Hollywoood and most history books more than 8,000 Black cowboys roamed the West."

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/19/12/4B4E9E2300000578-5633579-image-m-65_1524135692527.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/62/ce/16/62ce16737c64d5ab0f134d40eae4ec70.jpg

The 9th and 10th Cavalry were entirely composed of African-Americans, sometimes known as "Buffalo Soldiers"

https://azhumanities.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/ballad-of-az-2-1024x478.jpg

I actually feel embarassed that I never knew any of this before yesterday.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

White people are the most oppressed currently... prove me wrong...

BTW, here's proof as of 5 days ago...... hahaha I love how far we've come......

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but then, a racial war is THE BEST and easiest (apparently) way to subjugate a population and bring in the "great reset"..... bizarro world indeed.

(btw, look at the like to dislike ratio... no one is falling for this **** except the brainwashed MSM watchers...)

we WILL pull through this, the tactics are stale and easily seen through.

Re-posting above video here as germane to the issue of this thread.

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In earlier periods of history racism was simply born out of fear, suspicion, and ignorance of people alien/other. Colour of skin was not the only factor of perceived separation, nationality was one also (England/France famously for centuries), caste/class was another, language was another, religion was yet another.

As time went on and ignorance began to turn to greater awareness the powers that be noted the imperative that one big happy human family was not in their best interests if ever they wanted to stay in control. You see humans have very fragile psyches - it is easy to manipulate, easy to subjugate. Just a bump in the night has the power to override rational thinking and freak us right out. Some of that is naturally primordial, but humans could and should have evolved beyond those instincts by now if only we'd been allowed to claim our individual power. That's been denied us by the weapons of psychological warfare deployed against the social complex and general human relations.

We've allowed ourselves to be programmed to fear the worst, expect the worst, and see the worst (particularly in others). It is today bred into our system. Control through fear and control through division is the name of the game. Race has always been their trump card.

I like to feel that perhaps this will work to humanity's benefit in the long run. Because when the illusion does shatter (when people see that they've been manipulated) it will only serve to shatter it more comprehensively.

At the end of the day this whole black/white (or race in general) dichotomy is pure illusion. At the end of the day we are ALL souls coming together in collective physical experience: its primary objective is to learn love. Racism (hatred) is therefore just a barrier to overcome to arrive at that end (yet it's also a barrier they use to prevent/impede that end).

Another goal in this grand human experiment is to discover that we are all the same. You can only learn that if, on the surface, we do not look the same, sound the same, think the same, believe the same. The kicker is that across multiple lifetimes we experience ALL the different angles, black/white, man/woman, tall/short, fat/thin, muslim/jew, oppressor/victim, and a million other variations..

When you see/know the bigger picture, racism, and all other -isms/polarities, vanish.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Does anyone else find it problematic that Rakyt quit our membership over this thread?

It has made me rethink much of what I have wrote here.

And how I have turned to my own experience of this, which is nowhere near the same but my only point of reference.

When I started grade five I got the mark of our family. A large mole on the corner of my mouth.
This is hard for me to recount but...for Rakyt...

I was already a very shy boy, and naive but I had already made a name for myself as the protector of the weak, so I already had enemies.

When this mark appeared I was ridiculed and for a while I did not want to go to school. But the novelty soon wore off and I was accepted the way I was. Only I retained the stigma. I would suddenly remember my mark and get all embarrassed. No one could understand why I would suddenly get all quiet and unresponsive.

It would take a force of will to make myself forget the stigma and behave normally. To this day there are times I will remember the mark that sets me apart from others. In my case, however, it seems the stigma was my own doing and was not an act of racism.

I should say that the rest of my family has the mark removed. I would not do that. So I am the only family member who carries the ancestral mark proudly on their face - even if from time to time it causes me distress.

Is it clear that this is a form of racism, that the effects are similar, although primarily self-imposed? Like the person who has to wade through a sea of white faces, stigmatized by the constant visual counter-point they represent?

Institutional racism does exist. It exists as the fluctuating constituency-based majority. Some of the normal institutional racism then might be systemically instituted by unwitting bias.

When I travel around this neighborhood, my hood, I am the minority, with hardly a white face to be seen. Here I am institutionally biased against. It is kept quiet, it is unspoken, but it is most certainly there.

If the constituency base continues trending this way in my neighborhood, it will not be long before systemic racism will arise against whites. Any difference can be exploited and can lead to community bias, that if left unchecked can lead to institutional and then systemic racism.

Here in Canada, as an example, anti-semetic (sorry, anti-semetism does not deserve special treatment as a new un-hyphenated addition to the lexicon) and anti-Islam speech of any kind is considered hate speech and punishable by law.

But there was never a need for anti-Polish, anti-Jamaican, anti-Hungarian, anti-Chinese, anti-German, anti-Indigenous, anti-Italian, anti-Mormon, or even anti-Christain doctrines...why?

[Eva2]

I miss Rakyt's great input on this thread and some others. He was so articulate and able to delve into complicated topics and concepts easily with his unique point of view. He presented his ideas/thoughts in such an understandable way that people (me) could grasp and make sense of. Hope in the near future he'll return here. :sun:

[Bill Ryan]

Does anyone else find it problematic that Rahkyt quit our membership over this thread?

No. We didn't want to see him leave, but he was insistent. However, here was the situation.

If you go back and carefully read through what he wrote, Mark/Rahkyt was a Social Justice Warrior that supported Black Lives Matter and was enthusiastic about their increasing prominence and influence.

He used many of the SJW/BLM keywords and key phrases in his posts. They can be searched. He was writing racism is prejudice plus power way back in 2012. That's rhetoric copied and pasted straight out of the SJW playbook.

The All Lives Matter (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111180-All-Lives-Matter) thread offended him. He was intelligent, college-educated (but that, too, can be a dangerous crucible), likeable, and always very courteous. But he was unable to see what was really happening and as early as 2016 was asserting that Avalon members were racist.

They are not. He would never be able to understand this, but it was actually his own views that were racist, as defined by the stated need to treat people differently based on the color of their skin. That, too, is an inherently racist and divisive SJW ideology.

[Forest Denizen]

Does anyone else find it problematic that Rahkyt quit our membership over this thread?

No. We didn't want to see him leave, but he was insistent. However, here was the situation.

If you go back and carefully read through what he wrote, Mark/Rahkyt was a Social Justice Warrior that supported Black Lives Matter and was enthusiastic about their increasing prominence and influence.

He used many of the SJW/BLM keywords and key phrases in his posts. They can be searched. He was writing racism is prejudice plus power way back in 2012. That's rhetoric copied and pasted straight out of the SJW playbook.

The All Lives Matter (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111180-All-Lives-Matter) thread offended him. He was intelligent, college-educated (but that, too, can be a dangerous crucible), likeable, and always very courteous. But he was unable to see what was really happening and as early as 2016 was asserting that Avalon members were racist.

They are not. He would never be able to understand this, but it was actually his own views that were racist, as defined by the stated need to treat people differently based on the color of their skin. That, too, is an inherently racist and divisive SJW ideology.

This sort of post hoc analysis has always made me uncomfortable. It presents only one side of the story. As Mark/Rahkyt is not here to present his side of the story we are left with what might seem to be a lot of hand waving.

[Bill Ryan]

Does anyone else find it problematic that Rahkyt quit our membership over this thread?

No. We didn't want to see him leave, but he was insistent. However, here was the situation.

If you go back and carefully read through what he wrote, Mark/Rahkyt was a Social Justice Warrior that supported Black Lives Matter and was enthusiastic about their increasing prominence and influence.

He used many of the SJW/BLM keywords and key phrases in his posts. They can be searched. He was writing racism is prejudice plus power way back in 2012. That's rhetoric copied and pasted straight out of the SJW playbook.

The All Lives Matter (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111180-All-Lives-Matter) thread offended him. He was intelligent, college-educated (but that, too, can be a dangerous crucible), likeable, and always very courteous. But he was unable to see what was really happening and as early as 2016 was asserting that Avalon members were racist.

They are not. He would never be able to understand this, but it was actually his own views that were racist, as defined by the stated need to treat people differently based on the color of their skin. That, too, is an inherently racist and divisive SJW ideology.

This sort of post hoc analysis has always made me uncomfortable. It presents only one side of the story. As Mark/Rahkyt is not here to present his side of the story we are left with what might seem to be a lot of hand waving.

Well, three things.


I never said a word until Ernie's new post seemed to ask for a response.
Mark is always most welcome to return here to engage in more discussion.
All his posts, in which his views are very articulately stated, can be found and read — many of them on this thread, easy to do.

[rgray222]

Does anyone else find it problematic that Rahkyt quit our membership over this thread?

No. We didn't want to see him leave, but he was insistent. However, here was the situation.

If you go back and carefully read through what he wrote, Mark/Rahkyt was a Social Justice Warrior that supported Black Lives Matter and was enthusiastic about their increasing prominence and influence.

He used many of the SJW/BLM keywords and key phrases in his posts. They can be searched. He was writing racism is prejudice plus power way back in 2012. That's rhetoric copied and pasted straight out of the SJW playbook.

The All Lives Matter (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111180-All-Lives-Matter) thread offended him. He was intelligent, college-educated (but that, too, can be a dangerous crucible), likeable, and always very courteous. But he was unable to see what was really happening and as early as 2016 was asserting that Avalon members were racist.

They are not. He would never be able to understand this, but it was actually his own views that were racist, as defined by the stated need to treat people differently based on the color of their skin. That, too, is an inherently racist and divisive SJW ideology.

I always enjoyed reading his posts, he was bright, well written and extremely intelligent. He offered a different point of view on many subjects and explained his thought process thoroughly and clearly. A lot of food for thought. After reading a great deal of his posts I don't believe that he could make the transition away from the left and right political thinking. This is a pitfall for so many, they are tied to party instead of being tied to right and wrong.

Edit: I hope he returns because when your thinking or beliefs are challenged everyone wins.

[Mike]

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[Eva2]

Does anyone else find it problematic that Rahkyt quit our membership over this thread?

No. We didn't want to see him leave, but he was insistent. However, here was the situation.

If you go back and carefully read through what he wrote, Mark/Rahkyt was a Social Justice Warrior that supported Black Lives Matter and was enthusiastic about their increasing prominence and influence.

He used many of the SJW/BLM keywords and key phrases in his posts. They can be searched. He was writing racism is prejudice plus power way back in 2012. That's rhetoric copied and pasted straight out of the SJW playbook.

The All Lives Matter (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111180-All-Lives-Matter) thread offended him. He was intelligent, college-educated (but that, too, can be a dangerous crucible), likeable, and always very courteous. But he was unable to see what was really happening and as early as 2016 was asserting that Avalon members were racist.

They are not. He would never be able to understand this, but it was actually his own views that were racist, as defined by the stated need to treat people differently based on the color of their skin. That, too, is an inherently racist and divisive SJW ideology.

Oh, I only popped in and out on the racism thread a few times in the past but after reading some comments here, I'll need to go back, start from the beginning and have a good read. I do recall his feedback on other threads and topics (mostly "spiritual"/mystic subjects) and always found his views on these topics interesting.

[TargeT]

Does anyone else find it problematic that Rahkyt quit our membership over this thread?

No. We didn't want to see him leave, but he was insistent. However, here was the situation.

If you go back and carefully read through what he wrote, Mark/Rahkyt was a Social Justice Warrior that supported Black Lives Matter and was enthusiastic about their increasing prominence and influence.

He used many of the SJW/BLM keywords and key phrases in his posts. They can be searched. He was writing racism is prejudice plus power way back in 2012. That's rhetoric copied and pasted straight out of the SJW playbook.

The All Lives Matter (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111180-All-Lives-Matter) thread offended him. He was intelligent, college-educated (but that, too, can be a dangerous crucible), likeable, and always very courteous. But he was unable to see what was really happening and as early as 2016 was asserting that Avalon members were racist.

They are not. He would never be able to understand this, but it was actually his own views that were racist, as defined by the stated need to treat people differently based on the color of their skin. That, too, is an inherently racist and divisive SJW ideology.

Oh, I only popped in and out on the racism thread a few times in the past but after reading some comments here, I'll need to go back, start from the beginning and have a good read. I do recall his feedback on other threads and topics (mostly "spiritual"/mystic subjects) and always found his views on these topics interesting.

strongly held beliefs are awesome motivators.. but also awesome blinders...

it's unfortunate that disagreement causes some people to throw their hands up and leave... but discussion must continue, else we gain nothing from the loss.

[Constance]

ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

[Ernie Nemeth]

Embarrassment for me is living in this world, and the shame is how it could actually be. Little personal foibles matter little or not at all, although they may seem like insurmountable challenges.

The problematic part was not hinting at 'dirty deeds done dirt cheap' or anything to do with mods or Bill. It was referencing the fact that Rahkyt stated that he quit because he could not be a member of a group who would not accept systemic racism as a real dynamic.

That combined with the fact that he stated he was in some sort of public office hinted that his public reputation could be slandered if he was associated with Avalon. I immediately thought that meant he was involved in SJW stuff or at the very least in some capacity part of the Democratic party. They do not like such forums, where truth is discussed openly, and not just regurgitating talking points about their movement.

So since he left I have been reexamining my bias and prejudice to see what I may have missed. The last post is all I got and is the farthest I can reach towards Mark/Rahkyt's point of view.

Not surprised about your revelations, Bill. In many ways I was thinking or suspecting the same. I don't like it when intelligent, thoughtful people decide to leave Avalon. I think of how I might have behaved differently or how I could have intervened to stop it.

He is not the only one that I have had that sentiment for, he won't be the last. But the topic is a hot button topic right now, and very much worthy of review. The facts in this thread are ammunition against SJWs and others that have removed the facts and left poor logical analysis, or it could be argued left empty platitudes, behind in its stead.

[Praxis]

Does anyone else find it problematic that Rahkyt quit our membership over this thread?

No. We didn't want to see him leave, but he was insistent. However, here was the situation.

If you go back and carefully read through what he wrote, Mark/Rahkyt was a Social Justice Warrior that supported Black Lives Matter and was enthusiastic about their increasing prominence and influence.

He used many of the SJW/BLM keywords and key phrases in his posts. They can be searched. He was writing racism is prejudice plus power way back in 2012. That's rhetoric copied and pasted straight out of the SJW playbook.

The All Lives Matter (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111180-All-Lives-Matter) thread offended him. He was intelligent, college-educated (but that, too, can be a dangerous crucible), likeable, and always very courteous. But he was unable to see what was really happening and as early as 2016 was asserting that Avalon members were racist.

They are not. He would never be able to understand this, but it was actually his own views that were racist, as defined by the stated need to treat people differently based on the color of their skin. That, too, is an inherently racist and divisive SJW ideology.

Ewwww.

All Lives matter is offensive because it is a response to a movement that has legit grievances. It is a meme produced by Fox news and other reactionaries and the like to make you not focus on the POLICE STATE and the fact that the police state murders so many innocent people. Takes so many innocent people's property with no recourse for the citizen(regardless of color).

The same people saying all lives matter probably think Rittenhouse is a hero of some sort. Shows how hollow their words are.

There are racist people here. They might be low key and not hanging out on Storm Front website but they are racist.

If you think there is a white genocide happening. You are a racist. If you think white people is anything more than a social construct, then you are racist upholding racist memes.

Again, I have to stress that people who disagree with this point of view are ignorant of history and specifically the Haitian revolution. I have gone over this, maybe if in this very thread on why the term and concept of "white people" is a vestige of racists system of the past(mainly Bourbon France for the Haitian example).

Does this mean that people who have the skin tone that is colloquial called "white" are not real people and do not have a culture of their own? Absolutely not. Should these people be hurt or culled in any way? NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Needed to bold that because I promise someone is gonna make a VERY ignorant argument at me because of this previous sentence.

If you, yes you reading this, can not make this distinction and keep insisting white culture is being destroyed, then congrats you are in the same camp as Neo Nazis. You are using Neo Nazi talking points.

How does it feel to be making the same arguments as the Storm Front? Does it feel good to be keeping company and making the same rhetorical arguments as the Storm Front?
So just like you accuse mark of using SJW terms,like it is a bad thing for people to have justice, I will accuse white genocide people of talking like Nazis.

Which one is worse to mimic? People who want justice for all humans, or the Storm Front?

The way you speak of social justice warriors is very telling Bill. Look at how easy you otherize people using that term. I wonder could you produce an example of an SJW in your personal life? Like someone you physically have met or come into contact with, Or is this simply something you see online?

Is identity politics trash and actually hurting our society? YES. VERY FIRM YES. They focus on the wrong thing and use it as a race to victimhood and play victim olympics. Some of them take it to the same extent White nationalist do and I have just as much contempt for White nationalism as I do for ANY ethnonationalism.

[AutumnW]

Right on, Praxis. You took the words right out of my mouth! Bill, you should be doing some serious thinking about the impact of your words. You are becoming less and less impartial. Mark was a bit of an SJW. The term triggers a lot of people who don't understand all the ins and outs, fabrications , propaganda and manipulations involved around the entire subject.

Black lives matter. They really do and when you say "all lives matter" it negates the point the expression is trying to make.

If you were to run across someone in your daily life who had been ill treated, described to you how, and then stated emphatically, "you know. My life matters!" Would you neutralize an expression of pain, by tossing it off with an, "all lives matter."

[Bill Ryan]

I wonder could you produce an example of an SJW in your personal life? Like someone you physically have met or come into contact with, Or is this simply something you see online?

Yes, I met a 'real one' locally in July, a very pleasant and intelligent expat American woman who had a mountain dog of her own (we'd met in the vet's waiting room) and we went for a long, full day's hike in the mountains when my own dog, Mara, was laid up.

Unlike many online SJWs who'd done nothing except post nasty articles on blogs, she'd done the real work in refugee camps (which was impressive), worked with NGOs, and traveled in Africa. I was most interested to listen to her, and over many hours I asked her a whole bunch of questions about her life, travels, views and experience, and she answered them all at length.

It was very one-sided. She barely asked me anything about myself at all (not a problem for me, but it was an interesting imbalance). Just about the only strong statement I made was in response to her support of Bill Gates, where I shared that I didn't trust him one tiny bit. She was surprised at my view, but I did explain it. (I did also tell her that I'd spent a lot of time in Africa and some time in India, but she didn't seem to want to hear about my own experiences at all.)

Our hike was on the same day when it was announced that Brazil's president Bolsonaro (whom I do not support at all, btw) had been diagnosed with Covid. "I hope she dies", she said.

She was a strenuous Biden supporter and her hatred of Trump (for reasons I never found convincing, all mainstream media claims about his personality) was extreme.

I was very much looking forward to another hike (and to continue our interesting wide-ranging conversation), but soon after that one day we spent together she stopped responding to my emails. I'm pretty sure she'd looked on Avalon, which I'd mentioned to her, and figured that we were all somehow enemies of humanity. It was a shame.

[Bill Ryan]

Bill, you should be doing some serious thinking about the impact of your words. You are becoming less and less impartial.Dear Autumn, I've done a lot of serious thinking about almost everything that's affecting society currently and a whole bunch else, including the impact of my words.

Believe me, I say far, far less than I might if I wasn't regarded as a potentially influential voice. Those who disagree with my own personal views and those of many others — and there are some — have often been rather uncouth and extreme in their statements. Once or twice, you've fallen into that yourself, but to your credit you've always apologized later.

I continually do my best to present my views with courtesy and without throwing any mud at any other members (or people). Read my post immediately above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100738-Racism&p=1392410&viewfull=1#post1392410) as an example of a well-crafted, balanced, fair and detailed reply to a question.

Walk a mile in my shoes, or that of any active moderator. We even invited you to join us on the mods' team (because we always want to maintain a broad-spectrum balance: the mods' team is hardly an echo chamber!) — and you declined for personal reasons which we fully understand and respect. But we did invite you.

Yes, I'm becoming less impartial. In fact, I'm not impartial at all. My views about many things are strong, clear and well-thought-out, and I'll explain (or defend) them in detail if I'm asked to.

But I do muzzle what I say, and sit on my hands a very great deal. Not always but usually (as with this post here), I only speak out clearly when responding to something directly addressed to myself or which seems to require an answer. (As with my reply (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=1392023#post1392023) to Ernie's question above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=1392021#post1392021). I never started this particular discussion here.)

I fully support and encourage open discussion on the forum, which is very very important. I never wanted Mark/Rahkyt to leave, and the other mods will confirm that. (Not one of us wanted him to retire.)

No Avalon member will ever be unsubscribed or censored for their political views. Only for their behavior or demeanor. It's SJWs who often want to silence or punish voices who disagree. Always bear that in mind.

Based on his posts (and of course, one's posts are all we have to judge anyone by: this is a very one-dimensional virtual world we inhabit, and we never really know any other member at all in their rich diversity of the human being they are) — I don't like Praxis's demeanor one bit, or the way he often expresses himself. But he's still here. So are others.

He can post whatever he wants, and so can you and others with similar views, as long as certain lines of courtesy aren't crossed. That's definitive.

For a lot more on this, see this long statement on my personal Q&A thread, which was in response to a question I never asked anyone to pose.


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104824-Bill-Ryan-s-personal-Question-and-Answer-thread.-Pile-it-on.--&p=1391628&viewfull=1#post1391628

In that post, which summarily covered a lot of issues, I included this, shared here as one extract from the whole statement.

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The mods do walk a tricky tightrope. We sincerely want to maintain Avalon as a rare oasis of true freedom of expression (the need for courtesy and civility notwithstanding), but some ideas and threads posted are surely nonsense — in my opinion. Nevertheless, the only topic that's "censored" here is Flat Earthism (for good reason!) — though no Flat Earth threads have been deleted, only closed. They're all still searchable and readable.

So let's start with politics. (Sigh!) There are occasional accusations that Avalon has become a sanctuary of the "right" (or even the "far right"), but people who say that kind of thing just don't understand what "right" and "left" mean any more.

Like the traditional red-blue colors of the US political parties (which have flipped: socialist-leaning parties always used to be red), the values of the parties have flipped as well.

Many mainstream Democratic pundits are now highly authoritarian (pro big tech, pro censorship, pro control, anti-freedom in many ways), while many liberals and libertarians chose to vote for Trump in the current election because he's the most libertarian candidate available.

I'll say this clearly: (as a repeat of what I posted here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94907-Trump-is-NOT-the-answer&p=1389224&viewfull=1#post1389224) on 10 November)

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The "alt-right" label is very misunderstood, misused, and even abused.

The forum members are almost uniformly libertarian or classic liberal — depending on the definitions.

They're:


Anti censorship
Anti authoritarian
Pro free speech
Anti political correctness and identity politics (such as espoused by SJWs)
Anti war
Anti NWO
Anti vaccines and big pharma (largely)
Pro environment
Pro All Lives Matter
Anti racism and prejudice of any kind
Pro personal freedom in almost every way.

The questions then are ONLY about how this translates into real-life politics. But it may be helpful to realize how fully the membership here is in fundamental agreement about a great many very important things.

[Praxis]

I'm pretty sure she'd looked on Avalon, which I'd mentioned to her, and figured that we were all somehow enemies of humanity. It was a shame.

I think this is the part that maybe you should ruminate on.

I think the question that Ernie asked recently and this part go together.

Why do you think this place pushes people away?

Have you seen Dennis Leahy post much recently?

Ever notice that many people that pushed back on racism on this site or against Qult that they end up leaving?

It is almost like engaging the Qult and crypto racist pushes people away from this site because those people fail to engage arguments or people do not want to associate with those kind of people.

My Wife experiences constant racism in the united states. CONSTANT. It is not ignorant people with nooses burning crosses on our lawn, it is talking to her like she is 9 at hospital. It is how she is treated when buying groceries.

It is small, subtly things that many do not even realize is racist when they are doing it. Many times they flow off her but these things add up little by little. This is what systemic racism is. It is not just laws that are overtly racist like the electoral college and black people being 3/5s of a person, it is also the attitudes and actions of daily people who embody Whiteness, which again does NOT exist and is vestige or racist Monarchical systems and later racist Republican(Republican France, which still held racist policies for much of the republic,) and still later the First Empire which tried to re enslave Haiti.

My wife gets treated different if I am with her. They suddenly are nicer and dont want to search her bag.

These things exists for her and for many other people. Yet there are people on this very forum saying systemic racism doesnt exist while filling in the WHITE circle on any form they encounter(without realizing that the category itself is racist; just ask the Irish).

If Mark was saying that racism only exists when their is prejudice plus power then he was wrong in my opinion. That is a BS talking point and normalizes hatred. Prejudice is prejudice regardless of if you have power or not; having power just makes it worse and often leads to a systemic prejudice.

If Mark could not admit this, then he is at fault from my point of view.

I realize that I have worn your patience thin Bill. I apologize for my demeanor but I have to push back on ideas I see on your site. This isnt just a game or a discussion for me and my family. This is my life and we have to live it.

How long could you live feeling like you are constantly under attack or just noticed? When many walk down the street on this forum, they probably have the luxury of blending in and not being noticed.

Again, I apologize Bill for the aggressive stance I often take on your site. I used to feel like I was on a site, back in 2010-2014 ish, that I was part of the community of like minded people investigating the unknown and exotic. This was a great place to explore topics that most people would scoff at you for evening brining up. You could tell your extraordinary experiences and feel welcomed.

Something changed in about 2015. I wonder what it was. . .

I will stop posting now and simply lurk.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

My wife gets treated different if I am with her. They suddenly are nicer and dont want to search her bag.

I find that very very sad. I truly get weary of this sad, cruel planet I really do. My heart goes out to you and your wife.

But how does one analyse this? In my area, in the mid-2000s, we experienced a flood of east-European immigration. These newcomers were 'looked upon' let's say, the exact same way as your wife – yet all were as white as a sheet of paper.

It's a response triggered chiefly by the primordial human instinct that fears or seeks to keep at arm's length: unknown/outside/other. However which way you cut it, when you really break it down, there is a psychological component to racism or 'otherism', and it's purely tribal at it's root.

It's a throwback in other words, and it still exists in the human mind. But it's not of the human soul. Humanity has the spiritual tools to evolve beyond it, but unless it turns to the spirit these rigid social constructs will continue to dominate the human psyche.

Because if only these people could see, touch, or communicate with your wife's energy, on a telepathic level, all these physical 'illusions' would simply evaporate. Shooting the breeze perhaps...but if that were the case there would be no racism or 'otherism' anymore. AT ALL. If only we lived on THAT planet!



Black lives matter. They really do and when you say "all lives matter" it negates the point the expression is trying to make.

The phrase 'All Lives Matter' does not neutralize Black Lives Matter. It encompasses it. It attempts to call to awareness the futility of categories, and thus identity politics. It automatically brings black lives under the umbrella of ALL lives, because for a very long time black people have been deliberately marginalized – by identity politics – placing them into a [victimhood] category of their own.

If 'All Lives Matter' is offensive, then try to consider it 'all lives matter' (lower case – because case matters) as a proclamation that every life matters.

Only with complete UNITY will humanity be able to finally overcome the social challenges it faces.

[Maia Gabrial]

To me, it looks like these days, the ones accusing everyone of racism are the racists. If things don't go their way, they scream racism.

[Chris Gilbert]

I'm pretty sure she'd looked on Avalon, which I'd mentioned to her, and figured that we were all somehow enemies of humanity. It was a shame.


My Wife experiences constant racism in the united states. CONSTANT. It is not ignorant people with nooses burning crosses on our lawn, it is talking to her like she is 9 at hospital. It is how she is treated when buying groceries.

It is small, subtly things that many do not even realize is racist when they are doing it. Many times they flow off her but these things add up little by little. This is what systemic racism is. It is not just laws that are overtly racist like the electoral college and black people being 3/5s of a person, it is also the attitudes and actions of daily people who embody Whiteness, which again does NOT exist and is vestige or racist Monarchical systems and later racist Republican(Republican France, which still held racist policies for much of the republic,) and still later the First Empire which tried to re enslave Haiti.



I agree with you that these things do happen, and are very saddening.

Where I disagree however, is how terms like "racism" "systemic racism" or "whiteness" get bandied about among SJW/left leaning folk. When it comes to the term racism for instance, it usually includes either an overt or subtle implication of active hatred against "the other". While some might be hateful, many are simply prejudiced or ignorant to some degree. And as far as prejudice goes, it's a natural human tendency to have a level of unconscious bias to those who are similar vs. different, as studies of infants have revealed. While those who have immigrated to the Anglosphere or Europe do undoubtedly encounter unfair bias or prejudice, I would argue that Anglos/Europeans who expat to Asia or South America encounter plenty of bias as well (it's very hard for Westerners to integrate into Japan for instance).

Do some of us on here have a level of bias, either conscious or unconscious? We certainly do, like all humans, and I agree we should strive to be conscious of moments where our bias can influence us. In terms of outright racial hatred however, I have not observed that currently on Avalon over the last year, and in the past instance where I did, those members have since been banned.

Of course, it is also a question of what kind of bias? If it is bias towards appearance and such, that is certainly something that should be avoided. In terms of cultural bias, when push to comes to shove, despite its flaws, I certainly do not see 3rd Epoch shame/revenge based cultural mores as being on the same level of 4th Epoch Western Enlightenment/rule by law or Eastern Buddhist values. That's part of why I find SJW/cancel thinking so alarming, as it seems to be dialing back the clock as it were. On that note, I do not consider my "bias" on that particular subject to be a bad thing.

In terms of systemic racism, we could argue to that there are disadvantages that occur based on group and geographical area. Even just here in Michigan, I know I had more advantages (better schools and wealth) growing up in Washtenaw County, versus those who grew up in Wayne County (the Detroit area). While racism could have been involved somewhere down the line however, much of it now is due to domino effects of inter-generational poverty or dysfunctional cultural values. While I certainly want to see such problems solved, I don't see it going away till the 5th Epoch when free energy comes into public use. The political measures taken to solve such things now, when they aren't simply ineffective, are less about helping the target groups and more about political footballs and power plays.

I could elaborate further, but in short, I agree with you that we can be biased, but that doesn't mean we need to use the establishment/MSM terminology for such. Per your other comments about Trump/Q, I agree in part, I see that as a dead end dragging us down just like Simon Parks, Corey Goode and other narcissist conmen. It's a particular problem in the alternative community, and one I may speak more about in another thread in the future.

[safara]

Was born in Rhodesia, lived and holidayed in South Africa during apartheid, schooled in both Rhodesia, and later Zimbabwe for secondary education. Family have now all left Zimbabwe during the issues of the first decase of the 21st century. Now live in a more and more separatist and marginalist UK.

Have seen, experienced and been affected greatly by racism over the years.

Regarding the All Lives Matter movement.

Only ONCE Black Lives Matter, White Lives Matter, Yellow, Brown and Green Rainbow Lives Matter - can you THEN say ALL Lives Matter.

Until then the human race is still in need of empathetic education and the statement "All Lives Matter" has no authority.

[atman]

When radical anti-hate and anti-racism activism becomes a conduit for extreme forms of hate and racism...

__________________________________________


Concern After European ‘Anti-Hate’ Group Boss Discussed ‘Necessity’ of Killing White People (https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/11/24/euro-anti-hate-group-boss-discussed-necessity-of-killing-whites/)

by CHRIS TOMLINSON - 24 Nov 2020


Mamadou Ba, head of the Portuguese “anti-hate” group SOS Racismo, spoke of the need to “kill the white man” at a recent online conference on “hate speech”.

Ba, a Portuguese citizen originally from Senegal, attended the conference on Saturday which was on the topic of “Racism and the Advancement of Hate Speech in the World”.

During the conference, which was attended by Portuguese speakers from Portugal and Brazil, Ba stated “it is necessary to kill the white man, murderer, colonial, and racist” to “prevent the social death of the black political subject”.

According to a report (https://www.cmjornal.pt/politica/detalhe/mamadou-ba-evoca-morte-do-homem-branco-para-evitar-morte-social-do-sujeito-politico-negro) from Portuguese daily newspaper Correio da Manhã, the statement was a quote from Algerian far-left anti-colonialist political philosopher Frantz Fanon, who openly advocated for violence during the French rule of Algeria in his seminal work The Wretched of the Earth.




Exclusive Video: BLM Activist Says White Men Are ‘The Common Enemy’, ‘We Need to Get Rid of Them’ https://t.co/jdp2Cz3e85

— Breitbart London (@BreitbartLondon) July 21, 2020


The newspaper states that it is not clear whether Ba was quoting the far-left philosopher, but said it was presumed he did so in agreement.

“Refutation is part of the proposition, but what matters most to combat hate speech is to propose a new narrative,” Ba said during the online meeting.

Earlier this year, the European Network Against Racism (ENAR), which is partnered with Hungarian-American billionaire George Soros’s Open Society Foundations, called for support (https://www.enar-eu.org/Urgent-solidarity-call-to-support-Portuguese-anti-racist-activists) of SOS Rascimo, which it described as one of the “founding members” of the ENAR.

According to the ENAR, Ba and other activists had been sent threats online, and Ba himself had received a letter with a bullet casing inside it.




Plurality of French Say 'Anti-White' Racism is a Problem in France https://t.co/yhRBTsZWAv

— Breitbart London (@BreitbartLondon) June 21, 2020


The incident is not the first controversial moment for a so-called “anti-hate” group in Europe, many of which have direct ties to both Open Society Foundations and George Soros, such as Hope Not Hate in the UK which was identified in a Swedish military report (https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2018/05/24/hope-not-hate-identified-in-swedish-military-report-on-left-wing-extremist-violence/) on far-left extremism in 2018.

In Germany, the anti-hate Amadeau Antonio Stiftung, headed by former Stasi informant Anetta Kahane, sparked controversy (https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2018/12/06/german-identify-nazi-parent-daycare-booklet-citing-girls-braids-sparks-outrage/) after releasing a guide for schools to spot “Nazi parents”.

[Ernie Nemeth]

The world is changing. A rising tide of dissatisfaction is being injected into the narrative. This is not the liberal movement of the 1960s, whose main theme had been 'love'. Sixty years later the new 'liberal' movement delivers us a 'hate' message that most of us from the 60s are excluded from. Such a message cannot rally a groundswell of grassroots support. Such a message can only lead to division.

Inclusion is the only way forward. That does not begin with one side being stamped as racist for having an opinion.

If you say to me that we need a new social contract, I would agree. If the next step is me apologizing for being a racist - you've lost me.

And if the solution is burning and looting and cheating and intimidating and doxing and lying and shadow banning and slanting news and slandering opponents and defunding police and stealing elections then I know that movement is evil and must be resisted.

We need a new social contract. We need to address systemic corruption in government, in banking, in media, in big business. This is where the true racists are. These are the ones driving the narrative of hate - fueled by billions of dollars that they have fleeced of the flock in those same sixty years.

We may have failed younger generations back in the sixties when most of us sold out to the very forces we eschewed. But our movement was real. Take that message and turn it to the cause. Include us in the proud multi-cultural heritage we all represent. Do not drag us through the mud so that bruised and dirty we can proclaim our common victimhood. The authorities have no empathy, they will not capitulate out of sympathy.

Only together, as one voice with many healthy opinions, in solidarity, will we succeed. The place we are heading is a miserable place full of fear, suspicion, animosity, and death.

Make Love not War!

[AutumnW]

I have started a few threads about the prison industrial complex, the plea bargaining system that puts the poor, largely black individual at a terrible disadvantage, the slave labor. Blacks are given lengthier sentences for the same crimes whites commit. Mike was one of the very few, if the only one who posted on one of those threads. Thank you, Mike.

If all lives matter than it behooves ALL of us to understand what is happening to the most vulnerable members of society. Because we don't see it, doesn't mean it isn't happening. It means we are white and middle class and it doesn't usually come up in our own lives.

Does anybody here even know about the circumstances surrounding the Ferguson, Missouri riots a few years back? I looked into it. I didn't believe "mainstream media" that it was just about a singular act of violence. What I found was pretty awful.

You, who claim all lives matter but won't put aside a half an hour, an hour, much less a few days of study to get a feel for people who are downtrodden.

This place is supposed to be about love and light, where science meets the spirit. I am not feeling it. I feel a whole lot of division, lack of basic understanding, lack of compassion.

I've done the damn work. I seek out quality unconflicted information from numerous sources. This isn't heroic. I am not bragging. It's about reaching for the lowest bar on a ladder that will hopefully lead to better understanding. I am not moved by people who enjoy the drama of kicking people when they are down, even if it comes from a position of ignorance.

Why have so many people left this forum. Let me put it as succinctly as I can.

WE CAN'T BREATHE!

[Gemma13]

AutumnW: I have started a few threads about the prison industrial complex, the plea bargaining system that puts the poor, largely black individual at a terrible disadvantage, the slave labor. Blacks are given lengthier sentences for the same crimes whites commit. Mike was one of the very few, if the only one who posted on one of those threads. Thank you, Mike.

If all lives matter than it behooves ALL of us to understand what is happening to the most vulnerable members of society. Because we don't see it, doesn't mean it isn't happening. It means we are white and middle class and it doesn't usually come up in our own lives.

Does anybody here even know about the circumstances surrounding the Ferguson, Missouri riots a few years back? I looked into it. I didn't believe "mainstream media" that it was just about a singular act of violence. What I found was pretty awful.

You, who claim all lives matter but won't put aside a half an hour, an hour, much less a few days of study to get a feel for people who are downtrodden.

This place is supposed to be about love and light, where science meets the spirit. I am not feeling it. I feel a whole lot of division, lack of basic understanding, lack of compassion.

I've done the damn work. I seek out quality unconflicted information from numerous sources. This isn't heroic. I am not bragging. It's about reaching for the lowest bar on a ladder that will hopefully lead to better understanding. I am not moved by people who enjoy the drama of kicking people when they are down, even if it comes from a position of ignorance.

Why have so many people left this forum. Let me put it as succinctly as I can.

WE CAN'T BREATHE!

Wow Autumn is playing the same record over and over the best you've got to contribute and expand on this thorny subject.  Sanctimonious hubris claiming self appointed  moral privilege based on ignorant assumptions and assertions about how much data members search for, study, absorb and process.

You are saying that if we had studied what you have we would undoubtedly arrive at the same conclusion as you, therefore because some members don't concede to your position our different analysis is dismissed by you by default of being uninformed.  Think you would be overwhelmingly shocked at how many people have done the damn work. 

It appears you are not interested in walking another mile, or two, in research that encapsulates and AGREES with what you continually expound on which then takes this sensitive topic into deeper and broader analysis.  Analysis and evidence which clearly defines that the motive and good will behind the slogan has sinister origins delivered as a trojan horse hijacking all the good we hoped and believed in our hearts it would achieve at the outset.

All lives matter is one form of resistence to the BLM trojan horse of deception and manipulation. It is calling on all races to unite in supporting awareness and subsequent change of specifics; like the industrial prison complex which is just one of the problems.

Racism today is not without problems but it is a hell of a long way forward than it was yesteryear.  The BLM leaders are trying to take their movement back to yesteryear to ensure we return to the ugliness of segregation.  Today the big picture Race Card is financially motivated because it generates great wealth for participants on both sides of the moral story and citizens are the puppets fuelling the cash cows on both sides.

Then there are the self serving participants seeking to immortalize themselves in history with their radical ideological publications, and of course, the never ending political tool.

All lives matter annihilates all of these deceptions instantly if we all raise the stakes, unite with behavioural intelligence, and refuse to engage in their chicanery.  Stop and think for a moment how powerful expounding globally on an all lives matter movement would be with all races holding hands in the streets.

Imagine the impetus for this then flooding into everyday lives when one person witnesses injustice to another wherever they find themselves. Imagine the phenomenal changes that could happen if all the celebrities, big tech giants, corporations, etc promoted and changed their rules for all lives matter.

Cancelling one race to highlight another is retarded and dangerous. All lives matter is a powerful WIN WIN.  You cannot claim it and then act in racist defiance and those orchestrating and promoting race segregation  damn well know it.

And other members have written succinctly about human nature and stigmas that can be broken down and erradicated very quickly with basic information and awareness regarding knee-jerk social stereotyping fears.

P.S.


Why have so many people left this forum. Let me put it as succinctly as I can.

WE CAN'T BREATHE!

Ummm isn't that somewhat hypocritical to what you are arguing i.e. exploiting the calling card of BLM for your own purpose.

[Constance]

ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

[TargeT]

All lives matter annihilates all of these deceptions instantly if we all raise the stakes, unite with behavioural intelligence, and refuse to engage in their chicanery.  Stop and think for a moment how powerful expounding globally on an all lives matter movement would be with all races holding hands in the streets.

Imagine the impetus for this then flooding into everyday lives when one person witnesses injustice to another wherever they find themselves. Imagine the phenomenal changes that could happen if all the celebrities, big tech giants, corporations, etc promoted and changed their rules for all lives matter.

Cancelling one race to highlight another is retarded and dangerous. All lives matter is a powerful WIN WIN.  You cannot claim it and then act in racist defiance and those orchestrating and promoting race segregation  damn well know it.



Well said Gemma :heart:

Don't say that in the US..... you'll get attacked.

(if it's not clear, that's how far it's gone in large population cities here, plenty of video to back that up)

sans that, I do agree with your take... but anything that doesn't toe the "anti"FACIST line here seems to be shut down violently or via cancel culture.

History is going to love analysis of these last few decades.... well assuming history isn't re-written by "the victors"

[Mike]

John McWhorter is really someone we all should be listening to. Calm, grounded, highly intelligent. A black college professor talking frankly and simply about the black experience here in the U.S. Ignore the video title - I know it's triggering. He does challenge the current narrative of racism as all encompassing evil, but he is also even and fair to both sides. It's only 6 minutes long. Have a listen:

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[AutumnW]

Are you addressing me or playing to a crowd, Gemma? You realize I was talking exclusively about the American prison system. Correct? I am not talking about petty pissy academia and their hair splitting preoccupations.

Gemma, What happened in Ferguson, Missouri? You have some strong slapback there, so instead of insulting me personally, while playing to a crowd, why don't you prove me wrong. Read a magazine article about it. "Oh, Autumn's playing that old boring schtick about mistreatment of vast numbers of prisoners in what amounts to a gulag. Oh yawn....think I'lll insult her." Yeah...that's the ticket.

Good on yah! You've reinforced my point. You are not defined soley by your area of focus and your feelings about others on a superficial basis. You are defined by how much you are willing to learn about them.

[TargeT]

Gemma, What happened in Ferguson, Missouri?

An extreme misrepresentation of the situation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Michael_Brown) by the media, one of the early hard-pressed large scale weaponized uses of language and framing.

Have you read the reports and testimony or have you heard something from a headline? this is actually an excellent example of how media has been used to divide and conquer with 80% truth and 20% lies

I thought this was extremely known by now... I'm a bit shocked that you bring this up..... where did your information come from? you cannot fake gunshot wound entry and exits, we are excellent at forensics (https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/03/04/doj_report_on_shooting_of_michael_brown_1.pdf)... or are the medical examiners and forensic teams all in on this random encounter? dozens of people that do not work directly together apart of an easily disproven coverup? The prosecutor and Internal Affairs (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/no-charges-officer-who-shot-michael-brown-ferguson-missouri-after-n1235382) ? Do you know how these groups work? This wasn't some small thing, as you well know.

I mean... I'm all for a good conspiracy ... but..

[AutumnW]

What I read, Target, was at least one lengthy magazine article, written well after the fact. Should I find it for you?

[Gemma13]

Not all people in jails are 'guilty' many of them start out in that system for minor infractions and are then trapped by it. And I don't mean psychologically. I mean trapped trapped, like 'slave labor' for corporations trapped. How is this NOT the NWO on steroids?


This docoumentary provides good coverage of the U.S. prison system entrapment and how its inception came from Bill Clinton's policies. There's obvious cherrypicking and bias but the prison coverage was well presented I thought.

The Clintons have since "apologized" and claimed responsibility but its not enough and the interviewed don't think so either.

What bothered me though was the promotion of Obama as a good guy. But why didn't he do something about these horrors in his 8 years.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krfcq5pF8u8


Are you addressing me or playing to a crowd, Gemma? You realize I was talking exclusively about the American prison system. Correct? I am not talking about petty pissy academia and their hair splitting preoccupations.

Gemma, What happened in Ferguson, Missouri? You have some strong slapback there, so instead of insulting me personally, while playing to a crowd, why don't you prove me wrong. Read a magazine article about it. "Oh, Autumn's playing that old boring schtick about mistreatment of vast numbers of prisoners in what amounts to a gulag. Oh yawn....think I'lll insult her." Yeah...that's the ticket.

Good on yah! You've reinforced my point. You are not defined soley by your area of focus and your feelings about others on a superficial basis. You are defined by how much you are willing to learn about them.

I'm addressing you Autumn. Is my post made in June (linked above) enough proof for ya. I posted it in support of what you were sharing because I was very familiar with the topic. I have a diverse area of focus so don't need your magazine article link. ::doh::attention::facepalm:


https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/feb/06/ava-duvernay-legacy-slavery-selma-oscars-13th-trump-era-america-racist-past-award

Ava DuVernay on the legacy of slavery: ‘The sad truth is that some minds will not be changed’

EXCERPT: 

The [13th] film really gains steam during the post-civil rights era, as it shows successive presidents – Nixon, Reagan, Clinton – making seismic adjustments in crime and punishment (and in public perceptions) that substantially affect African-American lives. J Edgar Hoover criminalising black dissent, and even, in the case of people such as Angela Davis, criminalising black intellectual thought; the shifting of legal goalposts in Reagan’s war on drugs through to California’s three-strikes law and Clinton’s 1994 federal crime bill, which together quadrupled the national prison population and started a massive privatised prison-building programme (raising the need for more prisoners to make more profit). And from Trayvon Martin and Eric Garner to Ferguson and Trump, DuVernay weaves a web that, as she says, “crosses entire generations and affects entire communities”.

At its core is, as one of her many witnesses calls it, “a prison-industrial complex that eats black and Latino people for breakfast, lunch and dinner”.

[AutumnW]

Gemma,

Why the personal attack then? And why were you talking about me as if I wasn't "in the room". Did I launch on you, personally?

People on this forum who deny systemic racism exists in the U.S. are quite clearly racist themselves or blind. And as to your point about Obama's role in all of this, I agree and have made the point that the blame for much of it lies with Clinton for the three strikes law.

Attack me personally again, speak about me as If I am not present and I won't hold back. Got it?

[Gemma13]

Gemma,

Why the personal attack then? And why were you talking about me as if I wasn't "in the room". Did I launch on you, personally?

People on this forum who deny systemic racism exists in the U.S. are quite clearly racist themselves or blind. And as to your point about Obama's role in all of this, I agree and have made the point that the blame for much of it lies with Clinton for the three strikes law.

Attack me personally again, speak about me as If I am not present and I won't hold back. Got it?

Autumn I'm not sure how you figured I was talking as if you weren't in the room.


AutumnW:
Does anybody here even know about the circumstances surrounding the Ferguson, Missouri riots a few years back? I looked into it. I didn't believe "mainstream media" that it was just about a singular act of violence. What I found was pretty awful.

You, who claim all lives matter but won't put aside a half an hour, an hour, much less a few days of study to get a feel for people who are downtrodden.
I was addressing you and your questions and insults to members en masse which includes me personally whether you single me out or not.  

And I did it candidly highlighting the hubris in the claims as this may be part of the problem of why you imagine people here are not as informed as you are.

If you perceive my reply to your post as a personal attack there's nothing I can do about that because I don't believe broadly targeting members provides your comments with an exemption to being challenged over their inaccuracy. 

No need to threaten me as I couldn't care less about your threats, but please, if it will make you feel better, don't hold back!

[Strat]

You, who claim all lives matter but won't put aside a half an hour, an hour, much less a few days of study to get a feel for people who are downtrodden.


I wish we could do these debates in person and play the 'put your money where your mouth is' game.

[AutumnW]

UhHuh, what exactly do you mean, Strat? Nobody who has read about the lead up to the Ferguson episode, in depth, would be able to deny systemic racism. So again, what point are you trying to make?

And do you honestly think that the white middle class people on this thread have made an effort to learn anything about the black poverty stricken blacks?

Oh, Gemma excluded because she was spit on by Aborigines. That was obviously a learning experience of some kind.

That was the point of my post. Every time someone draws attention to the fact that "all lives matter" is dismissive they get jumped on.

It's become a PA illness of some sort. Don't you freqking dare stick up for blacks or ever infer that BLM is anything other than a covert Commie operation on this forum. No sir.

The fact that it is many things, particularly blacks honestly protesting police murder? Well, you just shut your mouth about that here. And don't dare criticize anybody about their "point of view" in that regard either.

[Gemma13]

UhHuh, what exactly do you mean, Strat? Nobody who has read about the lead up to the Ferguson episode, in depth, would be able to deny systemic racism. So again, what point are you trying to make?

And do you honestly think that the white middle class people on this thread have made an effort to learn anything about the black poverty stricken blacks?

Oh, Gemma excluded because she was spit on by Aborigines. That was obviously a learning experience of some kind.

That was the point of my post. Every time someone draws attention to the fact that "all lives matter" is dismissive they get jumped on.

It's become a PA illness of some sort. Don't you freqking dare stick up for blacks or ever infer that BLM is anything other than a covert Commie operation on this forum. No sir.

The fact that it is many things, particularly blacks honestly protesting police murder? Well, you just shut your mouth about that here. And don't dare criticize anybody about their "point of view" in that regard either.

Once again your assumptions are so far off they aren't even remotely close.

There is no validity in stigmatizing good people simply because they don't agree with a specific doctrine on how to go about fixing inequality and persecution.

Incidently it just so happens my work has significant involvement in aboriginal support programs.  No biggie though because you've made up your mind that a lot of us here are uncaring, heartless, racist white people and it doesn't look like your willing to see us any other way.

Odd that you don't seem interested in contributing more about the issues and solutions preferring to whine away about being a victim because you think we're hell bent on stomping on you.

If you didn't throw the insults Autumn you might actually discover that we're on the same page.  We just differ in scholarly and "hijacked movement" interpretations.

[Karen (Geophyz)]

I respectfully ask everyone to take a deep breath and think before you post. We are not here to attack each other, we are here to have intelligent conversation and debate. We do not have to agree with each other but the attacks and insults need to stop.

Thanks everyone.

[Gemma13]

I respectfully ask everyone to take a deep breath and think before you post. We are not hear to attack each other, we are here to have intelligent conversation and debate. We do not have to agree with each other but the attacks and insults need to stop.

Thanks everyone.

Roger that. :thumbsup:

[Strat]

UhHuh, what exactly do you mean, Strat? Nobody who has read about the lead up to the Ferguson episode, in depth, would be able to deny systemic racism. So again, what point are you trying to make?

I felt it was pretty obvious? Point was that I do read and I am active in trying to help others. It's part of my life. You said folks like me don't, so I wish we could bet so I could make some money.


And do you honestly think that the white middle class people on this thread have made an effort to learn anything about the black poverty stricken blacks?
Whatever others do on this forum is their business. Let them be and don't judge. Since your asking: I dunno but it is Avalon so maybe.


That was the point of my post. Every time someone draws attention to the fact that "all lives matter" is dismissive they get jumped on.

It's become a PA illness of some sort. Don't you freqking dare stick up for blacks or ever infer that BLM is anything other than a covert Commie operation on this forum. No sir.

The fact that it is many things, particularly blacks honestly protesting police murder? Well, you just shut your mouth about that here. And don't dare criticize anybody about their "point of view" in that regard either.

Well that's how you see it. I just think the majority of the forum thinks differently than you regarding this matter. I think spoon bending is bs, but I don't go into that thread and tell them they're wrong. It wouldn't get anything accomplished other than me annoying people.

[TargeT]

UhHuh, what exactly do you mean, Strat? Nobody who has read about the lead up to the Ferguson episode, in depth, would be able to deny systemic racism. So again, what point are you trying to make?

And do you honestly think that the white middle class people on this thread have made an effort to learn anything about the black poverty stricken blacks?


Ferguson suffered from wealth inequality and cultural issues that were exacerbated by media twisting a tragedy into a (successfully) attempted race bait moment.

I lived as a 10% minority for the last 8 years, I have quite a bit of experience in extremely low income communities (if race matters so much to you, it was predominately black) as those were the groups I worked with when I ran the horse rescue; that is why I think we are mostly looking at a cultural issue mixed with wealth disparity.




That was the point of my post. Every time someone draws attention to the fact that "all lives matter" is dismissive they get jumped on.

that just makes no sense, it is INCLUSIVE! "black lives matter" is dismissive to everyone but blacks... that's racist by definition.


It's become a PA illness of some sort. Don't you freqking dare stick up for blacks or ever infer that BLM is anything other than a covert Commie operation on this forum. No sir.

The fact that you think "blacks" need to be stuck up for, and you are some how in a position to champion them is kinda racist also... why do you paint an entire race that way?




The fact that it is many things, particularly blacks honestly protesting police murder? Well, you just shut your mouth about that here. And don't dare criticize anybody about their "point of view" in that regard either.

Everyone should protest police murder, why does race have to come into it?


its best to work with facts on this stuff, not feelings. Yes there are terrible and upsetting situations, but we have a lot of examples where people use those types of situations to try and gain in some way... that requires even more dethatched scrutinization and research.

[Ewan]

And do you honestly think that the white middle class people on this thread have made an effort to learn anything about the black poverty stricken blacks?



Wow! You have no idea what you are saying.
I've seen you do this a few times over the years Autumn; you seem to abandon reason in favour of emotion with scant regard for what you are actually contributing.

Over here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109981-Evergreen-University-Madness--and-the-new-Evergreening-of-America-&p=1368769&viewfull=1#post1368769) Bill posted a very good video which I think everyone who has taken part in the Racism and Systemic Racism threads would be well advised to watch and ponder.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHGt733yw3g

[Bill Ryan]

Was born in Rhodesia, lived and holidayed in South Africa during apartheid, schooled in both Rhodesia, and later Zimbabwe for secondary education. Family have now all left Zimbabwe during the issues of the first decase of the 21st century. Now live in a more and more separatist and marginalist UK.

Have seen, experienced and been affected greatly by racism over the years.

Folks, I know new Avalon member safara of old, when I lived and worked in the UK. He's a friend, a wonderful man, and he has an abundance of experiences and stories to share.

I know about some of his experiences in Zimbabwe, but by no means all. And nothing of his experiences in South Africa. @safara, could you maybe enlarge on what you saw, witnessed and knew of? I'm aware it could run to half a book, but maybe you could list a bunch of bulletpoints. And we could easily create a new standalone thread for it if it seems to be a good idea. I think very many would be interested.

:flower:

[AutumnW]

Again, many in the the white middle class here don't get it. My complaint lies in there making little attempt to read, in depth, anything that addresses the criminal justice system in the U.S. The people caught in this system are out of sight and out of mind in Gulag America, and it follows them like an anchor, after they are released.

I am not saying that forum members aren't good people who never help anybody. I am saying there is a problem on the forum and a compilation of Dark Horse videos will not convince me otherwise. If those videos were focussed on the state of policing or the prison system, and members watched them and STILL are of the opinion that systemic racism doesn't exist I am kind of at a loss for words. It's a lost cause.

I have had a few members encourage me to keep fighting here, as it is so disheartening for them to see what has happened. These are current members who wish to remain on good terms with Bill Ryan.

If members, generally Trump supporters, who are susceptible to disreputable framing by their media, don't get it, it's not because they are retarded hillbillies. The retarded hillbilly framing of this issue is top down propaganda and lack of understanding coming from what you would call, 'the left.'

How insulting is that, correct? It is just as insulting to be mislabeled a SJW or someone with emotional stability issues, when you are passionately in disagreement with the, "all lives matter," Not because it shouldn't be put into practice -- but because, as a knee jerk reaction to a black person essentially saying, "my life matters" it is off putting, to say the least.

If all lives really do matter, not as a slap back slogan, but as a reality, I once again suggest you dig deeper and try to understand the appalling systemic racism within militarized police departments and within the prison system.

I am a Canadian and I can tell you it is beyond appalling in this country and has been going on decades, unaddressed. Hopefully, we are beginning to come to grips with it here. Hopefully.

The impression one gets when perusing the forum, where Breitbart videos get a solid pass, where some pretty hateful stuff is on full display, is not a positive one. It supports the premise that, "all lives matter," is being used to whitewash a very deep problem.

The group admonishment I posted initially, was a "if the shoe fits, wear it." I felt the use of the word, "you" was appropriate, due to the content of the thread. If some members were insulted because they felt it didn't apply to them, I am sorry I wasn't more specific. Other than that, I stand by everything I wrote last night. It came right from my heart.

[AutumnW]

Was born in Rhodesia, lived and holidayed in South Africa during apartheid, schooled in both Rhodesia, and later Zimbabwe for secondary education. Family have now all left Zimbabwe during the issues of the first decase of the 21st century. Now live in a more and more separatist and marginalist UK.

Have seen, experienced and been affected greatly by racism over the years.

Folks, I know new Avalon member safara of old, when I lived and worked in the UK. He's a friend, a wonderful man, and he has an abundance of experiences and stories to share.

I know about some of his experiences in Zimbabwe, but by no means all. And nothing of his experiences in South Africa. @safara, could you maybe enlarge on what you saw, witnessed and knew of? I'm aware it could run to half a book, but maybe you could list a bunch of bulletpoints. And we could easily create a new standalone thread for it if it seems to be a good idea. I think very many would be interested.

:flower:

Forgive me if your post is meant to start a completely different discussion, Bill. If it is a way of responding to the posts I,have made and the responses to those posts, I want to establish, once again, that my problem with the thread content is a lack of understanding of real systemic racism in the U.S.

People asked repeatedly for a definition of it, and I have tried, apparently in vain, to provide an answer. It doesn't exist in all American systems. Quite the opposite, in many cases. That's the confusing part for many and that is probably where much of the problem lies.

In Canada, our treatment of native people, is as bad or worse...(when nobody's looking). The middle class, generally white attitude is often that we are the most open, kindest, least bigoted people in the world. Our SJW's are some of the loudest people out there. But it amounts to nothing but window dressing when you read up on policing in this country.

The problem is international.

[safara]

bunch of bulletpoints.

:flower:

Interesting thought. Shall sit down quietly this weekend....

:beer:

[Bill Ryan]

The problem is international.Yes, it is. Few Avalon members have lived or spent time in Africa, and quite a few North American members have never left the continent at all.

So I asked safara if he might share his experiences and perspectives — which I know are pretty sobering — specifically because it's an international issue. Racism is racism, hate is hate, agendas are agendas, and humans are fallible humans — wherever all this might happen. Maybe we should wait to see what he shares with us.

[Sue (Ayt)]

The middle class, generally white attitude

Is it possible that the inequities of our justice/police system are more of a class problem than a racial issue?

Examples abound of poor people of all races being treated abhorrently.
The focus on BLM may even serve to incense the anger of the victimized poor of other races further, whose lives (in their opinion) still don't matter, thus they gravitate far right.

Perhaps the inequities of our justice/police system would make a more logical, unifying focus in order to actually effect change?
(TPTB are master manipulators when it comes to dividing the subclasses.)

This example, not too long ago, involved lower-class children of all races:
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[Ernie Nemeth]

The three strike law is a horrible waste of human life. It is an inappropriate response to a problem no one wants to actually address. The problem stems not from racism but from social stratification and lack of economic opportunity. These are the effects of systemic corruption. Address that and the three strike law would become inconsequential and even applicable.

I know a bit about Canadian racism against aboriginals, and it too is a travesty. As is any racism, anywhere, now or in the past.

The answer cannot be to burn bridges and cause division, the answer cannot adopt an accusatory undercurrent.

The answer is to address the systemic corruption. To do that we must be united. The answer to the problem is solidarity. The down trodden can only be helped by reaching out with an open hand, not by striking out against any easy nearby target or by preferential treatment. :handshake: :grouphug:

Here's the thing, the people behind BLM and Antifa are rich beyond comprehension and even more powerful, and they are using their influence to stop the only movement that has a chance:

We Are the 99.99%! :Party:

It is not a joke. These last twenty years have been about giving a voice to every sidelined minority out there. There was a purpose behind it all. By giving these groups an international platform and astronomical funding a culture of the disadvantaged has bloomed in our midst. Combined with the 'Color' revolutions and massive immigration and refugee influx throughout the first world (an invasion by any other standards), also funded by these same mega-rich globalists, 'we the people' have been effectively neutralized.

We have all been labelled and put in our respective camps, with enemies on all sides that hold opposing priorities and ideologies. And the corrupt system encourages the conflict, using fear porn to motivate our hatred and highlight our differences, while muzzling dissenting opinions, regardless of whose they are.

It is not about dismissing the plight of any group. It is about adopting a wider viewpoint where solidarity is possible. Only in solidarity will all disadvantaged parties get fair treatment.

But only once systemic corruption is addressed and brought out in the public square for honest scrutiny.

The only credentials any one needs to have an opinion is to be of the human family. Everyone's experience counts, every viewpoint is valid. But the focus must be on the rampant systemic corruption that has encouraged this debacle in the first place.

Let's stop slicing and dicing the motives of the human family. :shielddeflect:

Let's stop the blame and let's Keep Our Eyes on the Prize. :cash::cash::cash:


Take heart :heart: because together:

We are the 99.99%! :happythumbsup:

[AutumnW]

Sue/Ayt,

I had this very discussion with one of my best friends, a Trump supporter who I dearly love, the other day. And we agreed that class plays a huge role, where the criminal justice system is concerned. But if you are a 'visible minority' your class is often being worn for all the world to see. If you live in a neighbourhood that is considered poor and powerless, you will be automatically identified as "the enemy" by militarized police forces. This is not a few rotten apples, it is rife within the forces themselves.

In Canada, as I have explained we have militarized police forces with no ties to local communities, in lesser populated areas. The forces there have been heaping abuse like you wouldn't believe, on native people. My boyfriend, a few decades ago had a father who was very high up in the police forces and had worked up North for quite a few years. He said he loved his heavy flashlight because it was great for cracking aboriginal people's skulls. He also made me aware of the common practise of dealing with "drunk Indians" by driving them miles out of town and just dropping them on the highway so they had to walk home....in -20 F. Yeah. The media eventually covered that practice, a few years back. It was common and may have even been standard practice, officially condoned.

The clip below shows some of this lovely behavior. This is what happens if you ask why you're being arrested, or why police are questioning your wife. What is the charge, what are we doing wrong? Lovely huh. Lovely men, possibly roided up, abusing people. It's common practice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtcRlTfgbLU

If you start 6 minutes in you'll get the action. Before that, just a lot of milling about. No drunken behavior, just people pushed to their emotional limit by harrassing cops.

[AutumnW]

The problem is international.Yes, it is. Few Avalon members have lived or spent time in Africa, and quite a few North American members have never left the continent at all.

So I asked safara if he might share his experiences and perspectives — which I know are pretty sobering — specifically because it's an international issue. Racism is racism, hate is hate, agendas are agendas, and humans are fallible humans — wherever all this might happen. Maybe we should wait to see what he shares with us.

Racism and hatred plus power and the means to enforce that power is key and something you, for some reason don't address. it is the main issue. Human nature is fallible, it is also not beyond redemption if we are able to put ourselves in the shoes of others.

[AutumnW]

The three strike law is a horrible waste of human life. It is an inappropriate response to a problem no one wants to actually address. The problem stems not from racism but from social stratification and lack of economic opportunity. These are the effects of systemic corruption. Address that and the three strike law would become inconsequential and even applicable.

I know a bit about Canadian racism against aboriginals, and it too is a travesty. As is any racism, anywhere, now or in the past.

The answer cannot be to burn bridges and cause division, the answer cannot adopt an accusatory undercurrent.

The answer is to address the systemic corruption. To do that we must be united. The answer to the problem is solidarity. The down trodden can only be helped by reaching out with an open hand, not by striking out against any easy nearby target or by preferential treatment. :handshake: :grouphug:

Here's the thing, the people behind BLM and Antifa are rich beyond comprehension and even more powerful, and they are using their influence to stop the only movement that has a chance:

We Are the 99.99%! :Party:

It is not a joke. These last twenty years have been about giving a voice to every sidelined minority out there. There was a purpose behind it all. By giving these groups an international platform and astronomical funding a culture of the disadvantaged has bloomed in our midst. Combined with the 'Color' revolutions and massive immigration and refugee influx throughout the first world (an invasion by any other standards), also funded by these same mega-rich globalists, 'we the people' have been effectively neutralized.

We have all been labelled and put in our respective camps, with enemies on all sides that hold opposing priorities and ideologies. And the corrupt system encourages the conflict, using fear porn to motivate our hatred and highlight our differences, while muzzling dissenting opinions, regardless of whose they are.

It is not about dismissing the plight of any group. It is about adopting a wider viewpoint where solidarity is possible. Only in solidarity will all disadvantaged parties get fair treatment.

But only once systemic corruption is addressed and brought out in the public square for honest scrutiny.

The only credentials any one needs to have an opinion is to be of the human family. Everyone's experience counts, every viewpoint is valid. But the focus must be on the rampant systemic corruption that has encouraged this debacle in the first place.

Let's stop slicing and dicing the motives of the human family. :shielddeflect:

Let's stop the blame and let's Keep Our Eyes on the Prize. :cash::cash::cash:


Take heart :heart: because together:

We are the 99.99%! :happythumbsup:

Ernie, I agree. The misunderstandings have a lot to do with this really weird schism, in Canada, anyway. People go freaking hysterical and corporations hop on board some really absurd issues involving race and gender issues, that have made me feel, "well what about white people? Like, are we chopped liver?" It is unfair much of the time, pretty crazy and people involved in that mentality get lost in a maze of victim mentality.

Meanwhile native people are being driven miles out of town and freeze to death walking home. It's insane.

Black Lives Matter is immediately hijacked by people who have ulterior motives and make a murky mess out of something as simple as honoring the hardships poor blacks. True.

So, I think that we end up conversing, arguing at cross purposes, much of the time. I am so reassured and delighted that we are basically on the same page, Ernie. Sometimes I feel like screaming because I feel so so misunderstood here.:thumbsup:

[PurpleLama]

Racial issues are often used to try to define (and distract from) what are in actuality class issues.

But, for the BLM vs ALM sloganeering, how about a we say All Black Lives Matter? The fact that frequently more black people are killed in Chicago, in one weekend, than are killed by police while unarmed in one year, seems to give the lie to the purported purpose of BLM.

Their stated intention of defunding the police has caused significant harm to minority communities where this idea has taken hold, as without the presence of law enforcement the criminals run amok and it is the good people in such communities who suffer so SJWs and the like can feel good about themselves from their ivory towers. Check the statistics for any major city that has adopted this ideology to any extent, the results are often immediate with their application.

Any unwarranted violence on the part of law enforcement is a serious issue that we should all be concerned with. But, on the flipside of that, we have been gaslit by the media since May with instance after instance of black men being shot, and when the dust settles it turns out that they were fighting with the police, which will get you shot no matter who you happen to be.

Police need more funding, more oversight, MORE TRAINING, and public sector unions are a whole issue of their own. But, the bigger issue is a class issue, and economic issue.

Poor people are killed more, are arrested and imprisoned more, are more violent, more drug addicted, and on and on and on, and opportunity is what is lacking in every part of this country, yet some people are raised to have the character to do the best they can, whereas others are raised on the streets.

Is their racial disparity? That depends on how you cook the numbers, and where you look. Living in the poorest state in the US, I can point to many people and many places where it just sucks to be, whites and blacks (and asian, hispanic, etc) all just barely getting by together or seperate.

Broad brush strokes do not help in describing any complex societal situation, but that is all we are allowed to have in these discussions, by design. Let us leave off who's ancestors were the most oppressed, and instead start taking an honest assessment of where people are right now, and see where we can get from there.

[PurpleLama]

The problem is international.Yes, it is. Few Avalon members have lived or spent time in Africa, and quite a few North American members have never left the continent at all.

So I asked safara if he might share his experiences and perspectives — which I know are pretty sobering — specifically because it's an international issue. Racism is racism, hate is hate, agendas are agendas, and humans are fallible humans — wherever all this might happen. Maybe we should wait to see what he shares with us.

Racism and hatred plus power and the means to enforce that power is key and something you, for some reason don't address. it is the main issue. Human nature is fallible, it is also not beyond redemption if we are able to put ourselves in the shoes of others.

I profoundly disagree. Racism is most entrenched where people are the most powerless. The powerful don't need or care to know your ethnicity to piss on your head and tell you it is raining.

[AutumnW]

Yes, Purple Llama. I agree with much of your post too. Some people do become professional victims and there is a whole industry devoted to that. Many movements get totally side tracked by self interested power hungry people. Same with unions. Great idea until organized crime moved in. I'm thinking Teamsters.

[AutumnW]

The problem is international.Yes, it is. Few Avalon members have lived or spent time in Africa, and quite a few North American members have never left the continent at all.

So I asked safara if he might share his experiences and perspectives — which I know are pretty sobering — specifically because it's an international issue. Racism is racism, hate is hate, agendas are agendas, and humans are fallible humans — wherever all this might happen. Maybe we should wait to see what he shares with us.

Racism and hatred plus power and the means to enforce that power is key and something you, for some reason don't address. it is the main issue. Human nature is fallible, it is also not beyond redemption if we are able to put ourselves in the shoes of others.

I profoundly disagree. Racism is most entrenched where people are the most powerless. The powerful don't need or care to know your ethnicity to piss on your head and tell you it is raining.

I am speaking of the criminal justice system, where systematic racism occurs, PLlama. That requires power to enforce. I agree that they need more not less funding and plenty more training. Also independent ombudsmen to investigate police criminal activity would help. These are all structural issues that should have been dealt with years ago.

[PurpleLama]

Yes, Purple Llama. I agree with much of your post too. Some people do become professional victims and there is a whole industry devoted to that. Many movements get totally side tracked by self interested power hungry people. Same with unions. Great idea until organized crime moved in. I'm thinking Teamsters.

The grifting is a huge issue. Many people who make the most noise seem to actually accomplish very little for the communities they advocate in favor of, all the while profiting for themselves.

Did you actually watch the Dark Horse episode they posted above? It is really quite exellent, and covers a lot of the conversation we should be having instead of couching the conversation in the latest woke fashion. I have become a fan of Chloe Valdary (https://mobile.twitter.com/cvaldary)since I first saw her live in that episode. Her Theory of Enchantment is worth looking into, and a positive replacement for CRT in diversity training and such.

[AutumnW]

From Time Magazine:

When Joyce Echaquan, a 37-year-old Indigenous Canadian woman, began experiencing stomach pains, she checked herself into a hospital in Joliette, Quebec. But she did not get the help she needed. Instead, hospital staff told Echaquan she was stupid, only good for sex, and that she would be better off dead.

Screaming and crying out in pain, Echaquan began live-streaming on Facebook. In the video, which has since gone viral, Echaquan says in her native language that she is worried doctors had given her too much morphine, which her family says she was allergic to. “You made some bad choices, my dear,” a hospital staff member can be heard saying in the background. “What are your children going to think, seeing you like this?”

https://time.com/5898422/joyce-echaquan-indigenous-protests-canada/

It is reaalllly bad in this country. Really bad.

[AutumnW]

Yes, Purple Llama. I agree with much of your post too. Some people do become professional victims and there is a whole industry devoted to that. Many movements get totally side tracked by self interested power hungry people. Same with unions. Great idea until organized crime moved in. I'm thinking Teamsters.

The grifting is a huge issue. Many people who make the most noise seem to actually accomplish very little for the communities they advocate in favor of, all the while profiting for themselves.

Did you actually watch the Dark Horse episode they posted above? It is really quite exellent, and covers a lot of the conversation we should be having instead of couching the conversation in the latest woke fashion. I have become a fan of Chloe Valdary (https://mobile.twitter.com/cvaldary)since I first saw her live in that episode. Her Theory of Enchantment is worth looking into, and a positive replacement for CRT in diversity training and such.

Thanks Purple. I have watched a lot of Epstein, and his brother and Jordan Peterson. I certainly like everything I have heard Epstein comment on. I will look up Chloe Valdary too.

[Bill Ryan]

The problem is international.Yes, it is. Few Avalon members have lived or spent time in Africa, and quite a few North American members have never left the continent at all.

So I asked safara if he might share his experiences and perspectives — which I know are pretty sobering — specifically because it's an international issue. Racism is racism, hate is hate, agendas are agendas, and humans are fallible humans — wherever all this might happen. Maybe we should wait to see what he shares with us.

Racism and hatred plus power and the means to enforce that power is key and something you, for some reason don't address. Well, that was another pointed sharp barb aimed at me which I truly don't understand. I have no idea why you said that!

If we wait a short while to read safara (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?47263-safara)'s account of living in Zimbabwe (which his family had to flee, and for that reason it may not be all that simple or comfortable for him to write about), we all may see all too clearly how racism and hatred plus power and the means to enforce that power is key.

That's why I asked him to share a little more with the community if he felt he could. He's one of the most qualified people here to address that directly.

You insult me, though maybe of course without meaning to, if you feel somehow I'm unwilling to address the issue (though that's not quite what you said). The point is that I've not experienced it at first hand as safara has. Very few members will have. Maybe no-one else here at all.

My own fairly substantial experiences in Africa, India, Ladakh and Nepal were all delightful, without exception. (In Ecuador, too, pretty much.) I have no idea if I've just been lucky. I guess humans are humans everywhere (as I reminded us all above) — in their great beauty, and also in their occasional horror.

[AutumnW]

PLlama, Here is a lovely video of Chloe Valdery. She's wonderful.

https://www.ted.com/talks/chloe_valdary_how_love_can_help_repair_social_inequality#t-1060834

[Constance]

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[AutumnW]

The problem is international.Yes, it is. Few Avalon members have lived or spent time in Africa, and quite a few North American members have never left the continent at all.

So I asked safara if he might share his experiences and perspectives — which I know are pretty sobering — specifically because it's an international issue. Racism is racism, hate is hate, agendas are agendas, and humans are fallible humans — wherever all this might happen. Maybe we should wait to see what he shares with us.

Racism and hatred plus power and the means to enforce that power is key and something you, for some reason don't address. Well, that was another pointed sharp barb aimed at me which I truly don't understand. I have no idea why you said that!

If we wait a short while to read safara (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?47263-safara)'s account of living in Zimbabwe (which his family had to flee, and for that reason it may not be all that simple or comfortable for him to write about), we all may see all too clearly how racism and hatred plus power and the means to enforce that power is key.

That's why I asked him to share a little more with the community if he felt he could. He's one of the most qualified people here to address that directly.

You insult me, though maybe of course without meaning to, if you feel somehow I'm unwilling to address the issue (though that's not quite what you said). The point is that I've not experienced it at first hand as safara has. Very few members will have. Maybe no-one else here at all.

My own fairly substantial experiences in Africa, India, Ladakh and Nepal were all delightful, without exception. (In Ecuador, too, pretty much.) I have no idea if I've just been lucky. I guess humans are humans everywhere (as I reminded us all above) — in their great beauty, and also in their occasional horror.

Well, to be honest, I haven't felt heard by you, nor have others. I feel this issue should have been approached differently by you. So I am angry with you. That's all.

[AutumnW]

LA Times, Ferguson Missouri

She said the ‘manner of walking” ordinance in particular was “written in such a way as to be so vague it can be used at their discretion against people they want to harass” making it “ripe for abuse.”

Ferguson residents said the circumstances that led to Brown’s shooting were all too familiar.

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-walking-black-ferguson-police-justice-report-20150305-story.html

As the police killing of Michael Brown has focused global attention on the racial divide in the counties in and surrounding St. Louis, Missouri, a new report may explain why residents’ mistrust of the police runs so deep.

It shows how a large part of the revenue for these counties comes from fines paid by African-American residents who are disproportionately targeted for traffic stops and other low-level offenses. In Ferguson, the fines and fees are actually the city’s second-largest source of income, which is expected to generate $2.7 million in fiscal year 2014.

We speak with Thomas Harvey, executive director of ArchCity Defenders and co-author of their new report, which has been widely cited — including in a stunning chart in Monday’s New York Times that shows how Ferguson issued on average nearly three warrants per household last year — the highest number of warrants in the state, relative to its size.

“What my clients have told me since the first day I’ve ever represented anybody is, this is not about public safety, it’s about the money,” Harvey says. We also hear about the impact of the police harassment and ticketing from George Fields, who was among the local residents lined up for Michael Brown’s funeral on Monday in St. Louis.

https://www.democracynow.org/2014/8/27/is_ferguson_feeding_on_the_poor

[AutumnW]

UhHuh, what exactly do you mean, Strat? Nobody who has read about the lead up to the Ferguson episode, in depth, would be able to deny systemic racism. So again, what point are you trying to make?

I felt it was pretty obvious? Point was that I do read and I am active in trying to help others. It's part of my life. You said folks like me don't, so I wish we could bet so I could make some money.


And do you honestly think that the white middle class people on this thread have made an effort to learn anything about the black poverty stricken blacks?
Whatever others do on this forum is their business. Let them be and don't judge. Since your asking: I dunno but it is Avalon so maybe.


That was the point of my post. Every time someone draws attention to the fact that "all lives matter" is dismissive they get jumped on.

It's become a PA illness of some sort. Don't you freqking dare stick up for blacks or ever infer that BLM is anything other than a covert Commie operation on this forum. No sir.

The fact that it is many things, particularly blacks honestly protesting police murder? Well, you just shut your mouth about that here. And don't dare criticize anybody about their "point of view" in that regard either.

Well that's how you see it. I just think the majority of the forum thinks differently than you regarding this matter. I think spoon bending is bs, but I don't go into that thread and tell them they're wrong. It wouldn't get anything accomplished other than me annoying people.

It's best to try to educate yourself on a topic as important as racism,so your comments come from a place of compassion, if that is possible. If people put forth an opinion on a forum and it is suggested that they read up on some of the abuses that blacks have to put up with and why they become resentful, maybe it's a good idea to do that. Nobody likes to feel judged or criticized. Do you think that it is warranted at times? You just judged me. You obviously feel that was warranted.

I feel like the issue of police violence is finally being heard here. And that's what BLM was originallyabout. It is more important than spoon bending. I have finally broken through and established some clarity on this subject with Ernie Nemeth.

[Constance]

ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

[PurpleLama]

UhHuh, what exactly do you mean, Strat? Nobody who has read about the lead up to the Ferguson episode, in depth, would be able to deny systemic racism. So again, what point are you trying to make?

I felt it was pretty obvious? Point was that I do read and I am active in trying to help others. It's part of my life. You said folks like me don't, so I wish we could bet so I could make some money.


And do you honestly think that the white middle class people on this thread have made an effort to learn anything about the black poverty stricken blacks?
Whatever others do on this forum is their business. Let them be and don't judge. Since your asking: I dunno but it is Avalon so maybe.


That was the point of my post. Every time someone draws attention to the fact that "all lives matter" is dismissive they get jumped on.

It's become a PA illness of some sort. Don't you freqking dare stick up for blacks or ever infer that BLM is anything other than a covert Commie operation on this forum. No sir.

The fact that it is many things, particularly blacks honestly protesting police murder? Well, you just shut your mouth about that here. And don't dare criticize anybody about their "point of view" in that regard either.

Well that's how you see it. I just think the majority of the forum thinks differently than you regarding this matter. I think spoon bending is bs, but I don't go into that thread and tell them they're wrong. It wouldn't get anything accomplished other than me annoying people.

It's best to try to educate yourself on a topic as important as racism,so your comments come from a place of compassion, if that is possible. If people put forth an opinion on a forum and it is suggested that they read up on some of the abuses that blacks have to put up with and why they become resentful, maybe it's a good idea to do that. Nobody likes to feel judged or criticized. Do you think that it is warranted at times? You just judged me. You obviously feel that was warranted.

I feel like the issue of police violence is finally being heard here. And that's what BLM was originallyabout. It is more important than spoon bending. I have finally broken through and established some clarity on this subject with Ernie Nemeth.

Again, I must contest. Racism and police violence are not nearly as important as spoon bending.

[TargeT]

Again, I must contest. Racism and police violence are not nearly as important as spoon bending.

I'm not flexible enough for this, us yellow belts know when to bow out.

[Mike]

Seems to me that much of the debate surrounding racism is kinda circular. It seems to begin at one point on the curve with slavery lets say, and ends/merges with what's being called "systemic racism". It just goes in a loop.

So you can pick any point on the loop, I suppose, and begin there. Jess for example is emphasizing the prison system at the moment. I s'pose I could argue that blacks commit a disproportional amount of crime and that's why they find themselves in prison more than whites. Jess would likely counter that argument with something, and then I'd counter her argument, and so on and so forth. We'd both identify causes for the phenomena we're seeing in the world today, and the causes for those causes, and the causes for those causes, and so forth.

In other words, we'd work backwards and arrive at slavery most likely. And then I suppose we could even go further back. I might point out that Africans sold their own into slavery, and Jess might argue that this is no justification for having slaves, and so on and so forth.

Or, instead of beginning with the results and working backwards identifying causes, we could start at slavery and work forward and end at "systemic racism"...debating each step of the way about what happened and why and who was mostly to blame.

My issue with the doctrine of CRT and by extension "systemic racism" is that it aims to keep us stuck in that loop, even as it pretends to be attempting to get us out of it. It's regressive. CRT cloaks itself in words than sound harmonious(equity, inclusivity, diversity) but are really designed to cause more divisiveness.

"Systemic racism" is like "the war on terror". It's an endless conflict with abstract enemies ("whiteness", "unconscious bias") with murky aims that goes on perpetually...and you never quite know if you're winning or losing, or are even close to the end of it. "The work", we are told, "never ends" (A question I've always wondered is: if the work "never ends" as the CRT people say, why even attempt to "root out systemic racism" in the first place:)) And no matter how dedicated you are, you will never escape your "whiteness"; in fact if you are too dedicated you might be trying to position yourself as a "good white", and that's no good of course. But if you don't work hard enough you're actively complicit in "white supremacy", and will likely get cancelled or lose your job or some such thing. If you're silent, that's bad ("silence is violence") but if you speak up you'll be told to shut the f#ck up and know your place. It's designed precisely to perpetuate itself, not resolve anything.

It's all based on the premise that all white people are racist. And if you resist that idea, it's just more proof that you are racist ("white frailty"). It's a circular argument that's loaded with all kinds of catch 22's, double binds, and kafka traps. In other words, it's totally incoherent.

So, I think everyone here on Avalon is united against racism, but not under the banner of BLM or notions of "systemic racism". It will never, ever happen with me. Not only will I die on that hill, I will reincarnate 100 billion more times and die all 100 billion times on that bloody hill in the name of it.

"Systemic" has become kind of a tofu word in that it tends to mean whatever the user wants it to mean in the moment and can be blended with just about anything to sound forceful and virtuous. But it's really just another postmodern irritation. I reckon 95% of the people using it have no idea what it means.

"Systemic racism" is vague and muddy and does not lend itself to facts or science or statistics. It can't be quantified in any way.. but not only are we constantly asked to accept it's presence by virtue signaling SJW's, it is demanded we change our entire world view as a result. "White folks are evil, just trust us. Oh, and the remedy? Critical Race Theory of course!"

No thanks.

For the longest time we were working not to see color, and we were making progress. (Contrary to popular opinion, the U.S. has never been less racist!) Now the mantra is: see color everywhere and in every little thing you do... which is straight out of the KKK playbook actually.

Again, no thanks.

As far as "otherizing" SJW's: "otherizing" is all SJW's do!:) All they do is label people transphobes, homophobes, racists, etc...with very little justification to do so in most cases.

[Bill Ryan]

Well, to be honest, I haven't felt heard by you, nor have others. I feel this issue should have been approached differently by you. So I am angry with you. That's all.Yes, you are! But maybe you might focus your anger on those who really are racist. (And there are none here on Avalon.)

Although you visited the thread, you may have forgotten that I started this topic...


The Knowing Racism of the US Federal Reserve (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111251-The-Knowing-Racism-of-the-US-Federal-Reserve)

...as well as THIS Racism thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100738-Racism)!

And you were kind enough to thank this photo I posted on the All Lives Matter (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111180-All-Lives-Matter) thread.

https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/digital-images/org/90c68c0e-ec33-4748-ba30-42f0f4b57311.jpg

You may also have forgotten that in my opening post there I wrote: (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111180-All-Lives-Matter&p=1360326&viewfull=1#post1360326) (thanked by 81 members)
(http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111180-All-Lives-Matter&p=1360326&viewfull=1#post1360326)
~~~
Of course, black lives matter. (And I'm NOT going to put that in Title Case.)

Because white lives matter, too.

So do the lives of


The domestically abused
Abused children
Native Americans (I wonder what they think about all this?)
The Uyghurs, a million of them in China's "re-education camps"
Rohingya refugees in Bangladesh (a million of them, too)
The San Bushmen, who've been displaced from the Kalahari desert where they had lived for 40,000 years
The Australian Aborigines, and the New Zealand Maoris
All the poorest people in the world who live on less than $1 a day
The indigenous tribes in the Amazon rain forest
Julian Assange (and 1001 other political prisoners whose names we may never know)
Everyone reading this.

~~~


Black lives Matter — the movement — is toxic, hate-filled, violent, divisive and racist. I will not support it.
"All Lives Matter" isn't a movement. It's a reminder.

[Praxis]

Well, to be honest, I haven't felt heard by you, nor have others. I feel this issue should have been approached differently by you. So I am angry with you. That's all.Yes, you are! But maybe you might focus your anger on those who really are racist. (And there are none here on Avalon.)

Although you visited the thread, you may have forgotten that I started this topic...


The Knowing Racism of the US Federal Reserve (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111251-The-Knowing-Racism-of-the-US-Federal-Reserve)

...as well as THIS Racism thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100738-Racism)!

And you were kind enough to thank this photo I posted on the All Lives Matter (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111180-All-Lives-Matter) thread.

https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/digital-images/org/90c68c0e-ec33-4748-ba30-42f0f4b57311.jpg

You may also have forgotten that in my opening post there I wrote: (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111180-All-Lives-Matter&p=1360326&viewfull=1#post1360326) (thanked by 81 members)
(http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111180-All-Lives-Matter&p=1360326&viewfull=1#post1360326)
~~~
Of course, black lives matter. (And I'm NOT going to put that in Title Case.)

Because white lives matter, too.

So do the lives of


The domestically abused
Abused children
Native Americans (I wonder what they think about all this?)
The Uyghurs, a million of them in China's "re-education camps"
Rohingya refugees in Bangladesh (a million of them, too)
The San Bushmen, who've been displaced from the Kalahari desert where they had lived for 40,000 years
The Australian Aborigines, and the New Zealand Maoris
All the poorest people in the world who live on less than $1 a day
The indigenous tribes in the Amazon rain forest
Julian Assange (and 1001 other political prisoners whose names we may never know)
Everyone reading this.

~~~


Black lives Matter — the movement — is toxic, hate-filled, violent, divisive and racist. I will not support it.
"All Lives Matter" isn't a movement. It's a reminder.


I apologize for having to break the lurk but I just wanted to add:

If you truly think ALl lives matter then I expect that you also are for:

Medicare for All
Universal Basic Food programs
Labor being represented on Boards of Companies
Ending homelessness by giving people a way out of it(ie free housing for all)

Medical problems kills a bunch of americans.
Malnutrition kills many americans and make them more vulnerable to disease.
Not being properly compensated for the labor that makes their companies big profits.
People die on the streets.

If all the People saying "All Lives matter" were at the same time also pushing the beliefs like I just described, then I might take the point of view seriously.

If you are pro the current system(whatever you want to call it) and are not calling for DRASTIC reform of our society, then all lives do not actually matter, just the capital class that benefits from the status quo. Bezos has seen his wealth drastically increase, the stock market is up meanwhile homelessness is on the rise and people line up for Food banks. Where is the "all lives matter" concern for all these people?

[Sue (Ayt)]

I apologize for having to break the lurk but I just wanted to add:

If you truly think ALl lives matter then I expect that you also are for:

Medicare for All
Universal Basic Food programs
Labor being represented on Boards of Companies
Ending homelessness by giving people a way out of it(ie free housing for all)

Medical problems kills a bunch of americans.
Malnutrition kills many americans and make them more vulnerable to disease.
Not being properly compensated for the labor that makes their companies big profits.
People die on the streets.

If all the People saying "All Lives matter" were at the same time also pushing the beliefs like I just described, then I might take the point of view seriously.

If you are pro the current system(whatever you want to call it) and are not calling for DRASTIC reform of our society, then all lives do not actually matter, just the capital class that benefits from the status quo. Bezos has seen his wealth drastically increase, the stock market is up meanwhile homelessness is on the rise and people line up for Food banks. Where is the "all lives matter" concern for all these people?

Glad to see you here, Praxis.
Thinking about your points, I think many of us can agree that drastic reform is needed, but we have many different ideas on how this can/should come about.

1. Medicare for all? As it stands, medicare rather sucks and is draining the healthcare system. A solution would have to go far beyond just suddenly extending medicare to all. The entire healthcare system and pharma industry needs an overhaul first.
2. Universal Basic Food - Again, the "food" that would likely be universally available to all as it stands now would likely serve to depopulate even faster.
3. Labor represented on boards - That sounds like a good call, imo, unless someone can point out factors I have overlooked?
4. Free housing for all - Much thought would be needed to implement that one. Free "Housing" without care and maintenance can easily devolve into cesspools. "Labor camps" could fit the "free" description too.

The whole system, as it stands, would have to be totally morphed to humanely accomplish these ideals. I think there is a lot of fear around the possibility of idealists rushing into these goals without adequate forethought, with the result being a drastically lower quality of life for most.

Do you trust the current leaders that are spouting these ideals? Does it not feel that they just might have an ulterior agenda, judging by their own hypocritical actions?

[AutumnW]

Seems to me that much of the debate surrounding racism is kinda circular. It seems to begin at one point on the curve with slavery lets say, and ends/merges with what's being called "systemic racism". It just goes in a loop.

So you can pick any point on the loop, I suppose, and begin there. Jess for example is emphasizing the prison system at the moment. I s'pose I could argue that blacks commit a disproportional amount of crime and that's why they find themselves in prison more than whites. Jess would likely counter that argument with something, and then I'd counter her argument, and so on and so forth. We'd both identify causes for the phenomena we're seeing in the world today, and the causes for those causes, and the causes for those causes, and so forth.

In other words, we'd work backwards and arrive at slavery most likely. And then I suppose we could even go further back. I might point out that Africans sold their own into slavery, and Jess might argue that this is no justification for having slaves, and so on and so forth.

Or, instead of beginning with the results and working backwards identifying causes, we could start at slavery and work forward and end at "systemic racism"...debating each step of the way about what happened and why and who was mostly to blame.

My issue with the doctrine of CRT and by extension "systemic racism" is that it aims to keep us stuck in that loop, even as it pretends to be attempting to get us out of it. It's regressive. CRT cloaks itself in words than sound harmonious(equity, inclusivity, diversity) but are really designed to cause more divisiveness.

"Systemic racism" is like "the war on terror". It's an endless conflict with abstract enemies ("whiteness", "unconscious bias") with murky aims that goes on perpetually...and you never quite know if you're winning or losing, or are even close to the end of it. "The work", we are told, "never ends" (A question I've always wondered is: if the work "never ends" as the CRT people say, why even attempt to "root out systemic racism" in the first place:)) And no matter how dedicated you are, you will never escape your "whiteness"; in fact if you are too dedicated you might be trying to position yourself as a "good white", and that's no good of course. But if you don't work hard enough you're actively complicit in "white supremacy", and will likely get cancelled or lose your job or some such thing. If you're silent, that's bad ("silence is violence") but if you speak up you'll be told to shut the f#ck up and know your place. It's designed precisely to perpetuate itself, not resolve anything.

It's all based on the premise that all white people are racist. And if you resist that idea, it's just more proof that you are racist ("white frailty"). It's a circular argument that's loaded with all kinds of catch 22's, double binds, and kafka traps. In other words, it's totally incoherent.

So, I think everyone here on Avalon is united against racism, but not under the banner of BLM or notions of "systemic racism". It will never, ever happen with me. Not only will I die on that hill, I will reincarnate 100 billion more times and die all 100 billion times on that bloody hill in the name of it.

"Systemic" has become kind of a tofu word in that it tends to mean whatever the user wants it to mean in the moment and can be blended with just about anything to sound forceful and virtuous. But it's really just another postmodern irritation. I reckon 95% of the people using it have no idea what it means.

"Systemic racism" is vague and muddy and does not lend itself to facts or science or statistics. It can't be quantified in any way.. but not only are we constantly asked to accept it's presence by virtue signaling SJW's, it is demanded we change our entire world view as a result. "White folks are evil, just trust us. Oh, and the remedy? Critical Race Theory of course!"

No thanks.

For the longest time we were working not to see color, and we were making progress. (Contrary to popular opinion, the U.S. has never been less racist!) Now the mantra is: see color everywhere and in every little thing you do... which is straight out of the KKK playbook actually.

Again, no thanks.

As far as "otherizing" SJW's: "otherizing" is all SJW's do!:) All they do is label people transphobes, homophobes, racists, etc...with very little justification to do so in most cases.

Mike,

Everything you describe can be applied to Canada, as well. In most respects, we have never been less racist. Most systems within the greater system bend over backwards to the point of absurdity to include everybody. Corporation cater to SJW's.

This is why it is beyond strange that we have a national police force that has condoned unwarranted violence....still.... and a prison system that isn't in compliance with basic UN standards.

You probably haven't read all that I've written and can't say I blame you.

[Chris Gilbert]

If you truly think ALl lives matter then I expect that you also are for:

Medicare for All
Universal Basic Food programs
Labor being represented on Boards of Companies
Ending homelessness by giving people a way out of it(ie free housing for all)



Many of those changes I do want in some form. I used to subscribe more to the economic libertarian ideas that are common on this site and other conspiracy discussions, but nowadays I see them largely as a dead end. If anything I've grown more open-minded to FDR style New Deal changes. I think that too that many libertarian/independent leaning Americans increasingly do not at all understand the perspectives of minorities, younger generations or foreign cultures, and when it comes to the human toll on the environment, they have their heads in the sand.

Despite that however, my belief in civil liberties has only strengthened, and thus I'm quite averse to many aspects of critical theory. For that reason, I'm skeptical of any movement to correct inequalities that relies on a top-down approach, without have a bedrock of decentralized energy abundance to build off of.

[Mike]

Seems to me that much of the debate surrounding racism is kinda circular. It seems to begin at one point on the curve with slavery lets say, and ends/merges with what's being called "systemic racism". It just goes in a loop.

So you can pick any point on the loop, I suppose, and begin there. Jess for example is emphasizing the prison system at the moment. I s'pose I could argue that blacks commit a disproportional amount of crime and that's why they find themselves in prison more than whites. Jess would likely counter that argument with something, and then I'd counter her argument, and so on and so forth. We'd both identify causes for the phenomena we're seeing in the world today, and the causes for those causes, and the causes for those causes, and so forth.

In other words, we'd work backwards and arrive at slavery most likely. And then I suppose we could even go further back. I might point out that Africans sold their own into slavery, and Jess might argue that this is no justification for having slaves, and so on and so forth.

Or, instead of beginning with the results and working backwards identifying causes, we could start at slavery and work forward and end at "systemic racism"...debating each step of the way about what happened and why and who was mostly to blame.

My issue with the doctrine of CRT and by extension "systemic racism" is that it aims to keep us stuck in that loop, even as it pretends to be attempting to get us out of it. It's regressive. CRT cloaks itself in words than sound harmonious(equity, inclusivity, diversity) but are really designed to cause more divisiveness.

"Systemic racism" is like "the war on terror". It's an endless conflict with abstract enemies ("whiteness", "unconscious bias") with murky aims that goes on perpetually...and you never quite know if you're winning or losing, or are even close to the end of it. "The work", we are told, "never ends" (A question I've always wondered is: if the work "never ends" as the CRT people say, why even attempt to "root out systemic racism" in the first place:)) And no matter how dedicated you are, you will never escape your "whiteness"; in fact if you are too dedicated you might be trying to position yourself as a "good white", and that's no good of course. But if you don't work hard enough you're actively complicit in "white supremacy", and will likely get cancelled or lose your job or some such thing. If you're silent, that's bad ("silence is violence") but if you speak up you'll be told to shut the f#ck up and know your place. It's designed precisely to perpetuate itself, not resolve anything.

It's all based on the premise that all white people are racist. And if you resist that idea, it's just more proof that you are racist ("white frailty"). It's a circular argument that's loaded with all kinds of catch 22's, double binds, and kafka traps. In other words, it's totally incoherent.

So, I think everyone here on Avalon is united against racism, but not under the banner of BLM or notions of "systemic racism". It will never, ever happen with me. Not only will I die on that hill, I will reincarnate 100 billion more times and die all 100 billion times on that bloody hill in the name of it.

"Systemic" has become kind of a tofu word in that it tends to mean whatever the user wants it to mean in the moment and can be blended with just about anything to sound forceful and virtuous. But it's really just another postmodern irritation. I reckon 95% of the people using it have no idea what it means.

"Systemic racism" is vague and muddy and does not lend itself to facts or science or statistics. It can't be quantified in any way.. but not only are we constantly asked to accept it's presence by virtue signaling SJW's, it is demanded we change our entire world view as a result. "White folks are evil, just trust us. Oh, and the remedy? Critical Race Theory of course!"

No thanks.

For the longest time we were working not to see color, and we were making progress. (Contrary to popular opinion, the U.S. has never been less racist!) Now the mantra is: see color everywhere and in every little thing you do... which is straight out of the KKK playbook actually.

Again, no thanks.

As far as "otherizing" SJW's: "otherizing" is all SJW's do!:) All they do is label people transphobes, homophobes, racists, etc...with very little justification to do so in most cases.

Mike,

Everything you describe can be applied to Canada, as well. In most respects, we have never been less racist. Most systems within the greater system bend over backwards to the point of absurdity to include everybody. Corporation cater to SJW's.

This is why it is beyond strange that we have a national police force that has condoned unwarranted violence....still.... and a prison system that isn't in compliance with basic UN standards.

You probably haven't read all that I've written and can't say I blame you.


Ive read quite a bit of it! I think I've understood you for the most part all along but just look at a few things differently.

We do disagree I think on the degree to which racism plays a role in police interactions. From the data I've seen, I do not believe there is "systemic racism" involved in policing. And I do not think police brutality is systemic. The data just doesn't suggest that.

Now, as far as the prison systems and the courts, I will confess to having quite a bit to learn. I'm going to revisit your thread and read carefully everything you've posted, and do a good bit of thinking and research on it. You have my word, for what it's worth.:flower:

[AutumnW]

Black lives Matter — the movement — is toxic, hate-filled, violent, divisive and racist. I will not support it. Bill Ryan

Nobody is asking you to support some of their leaders. They are self serving. On the other hand, there are millions of black white and yellow people protesting under the loose banner of BLM who are a collection of individuals with diverse backgrounds, personalities, affinities. Not recognizing that reality ends up painting all those who are protesting police brutality with the same brush.

When the greater public peruse the forum, see your posts about BLM they likely think they are a dog whistle for lack of acknowledgment of the real pain and suffering going on in the black community in America. When you respond back to criticism with posts about all the different ethnic groups in the world who are having a terrible time, and fail to even acknowledge the black community and police brutality in America, it isn't fair, imho.

I feel through these posts that end up downplaying the specific suffering of blacks in America (through the prison system and police brutality) that you have created a winnowing process of members. PA has ended up being a forum without diversity of opinion, that relies too heavily on biased hate filled youtube videos.

Quiet, gentler types just move on because they end up having to compete with a hostile individual with a bullhorn on youtube. The information presented is often not factual, overly emotional and often very biased. I am not going to outline every problem with social media, as you are likely aware.

Believing youtube videos from questionable sources that downplay the seriousness of the racial issue in the U.S. is the flip side of the same coin as SJW videos that make the tiniest pettiest individual grievance, political. They are both highly divisive and full of hate engendering nonsense.

[AutumnW]

Seems to me that much of the debate surrounding racism is kinda circular. It seems to begin at one point on the curve with slavery lets say, and ends/merges with what's being called "systemic racism". It just goes in a loop.

So you can pick any point on the loop, I suppose, and begin there. Jess for example is emphasizing the prison system at the moment. I s'pose I could argue that blacks commit a disproportional amount of crime and that's why they find themselves in prison more than whites. Jess would likely counter that argument with something, and then I'd counter her argument, and so on and so forth. We'd both identify causes for the phenomena we're seeing in the world today, and the causes for those causes, and the causes for those causes, and so forth.

In other words, we'd work backwards and arrive at slavery most likely. And then I suppose we could even go further back. I might point out that Africans sold their own into slavery, and Jess might argue that this is no justification for having slaves, and so on and so forth.

Or, instead of beginning with the results and working backwards identifying causes, we could start at slavery and work forward and end at "systemic racism"...debating each step of the way about what happened and why and who was mostly to blame.

My issue with the doctrine of CRT and by extension "systemic racism" is that it aims to keep us stuck in that loop, even as it pretends to be attempting to get us out of it. It's regressive. CRT cloaks itself in words than sound harmonious(equity, inclusivity, diversity) but are really designed to cause more divisiveness.

"Systemic racism" is like "the war on terror". It's an endless conflict with abstract enemies ("whiteness", "unconscious bias") with murky aims that goes on perpetually...and you never quite know if you're winning or losing, or are even close to the end of it. "The work", we are told, "never ends" (A question I've always wondered is: if the work "never ends" as the CRT people say, why even attempt to "root out systemic racism" in the first place:)) And no matter how dedicated you are, you will never escape your "whiteness"; in fact if you are too dedicated you might be trying to position yourself as a "good white", and that's no good of course. But if you don't work hard enough you're actively complicit in "white supremacy", and will likely get cancelled or lose your job or some such thing. If you're silent, that's bad ("silence is violence") but if you speak up you'll be told to shut the f#ck up and know your place. It's designed precisely to perpetuate itself, not resolve anything.

It's all based on the premise that all white people are racist. And if you resist that idea, it's just more proof that you are racist ("white frailty"). It's a circular argument that's loaded with all kinds of catch 22's, double binds, and kafka traps. In other words, it's totally incoherent.

So, I think everyone here on Avalon is united against racism, but not under the banner of BLM or notions of "systemic racism". It will never, ever happen with me. Not only will I die on that hill, I will reincarnate 100 billion more times and die all 100 billion times on that bloody hill in the name of it.

"Systemic" has become kind of a tofu word in that it tends to mean whatever the user wants it to mean in the moment and can be blended with just about anything to sound forceful and virtuous. But it's really just another postmodern irritation. I reckon 95% of the people using it have no idea what it means.

"Systemic racism" is vague and muddy and does not lend itself to facts or science or statistics. It can't be quantified in any way.. but not only are we constantly asked to accept it's presence by virtue signaling SJW's, it is demanded we change our entire world view as a result. "White folks are evil, just trust us. Oh, and the remedy? Critical Race Theory of course!"

No thanks.

For the longest time we were working not to see color, and we were making progress. (Contrary to popular opinion, the U.S. has never been less racist!) Now the mantra is: see color everywhere and in every little thing you do... which is straight out of the KKK playbook actually.

Again, no thanks.

As far as "otherizing" SJW's: "otherizing" is all SJW's do!:) All they do is label people transphobes, homophobes, racists, etc...with very little justification to do so in most cases.

Mike,

Everything you describe can be applied to Canada, as well. In most respects, we have never been less racist. Most systems within the greater system bend over backwards to the point of absurdity to include everybody. Corporation cater to SJW's.

This is why it is beyond strange that we have a national police force that has condoned unwarranted violence....still.... and a prison system that isn't in compliance with basic UN standards.

You probably haven't read all that I've written and can't say I blame you.


Ive read quite a bit of it! I think I've understood you for the most part all along but just look a few things differently.

We do disagree I think on the degree to which racism plays a role in police interactions. From the data I've seen, I do not believe there is "systemic racism" involved in policing. And I do not think police brutality is systemic. The data just doesn't suggest that.

Now, as far as the prison systems and the courts, I will confess to having quite a bit to learn. I'm going to revisit your thread and read carefully everything you've posted, and do a good bit of thinking and research on it. You have my word, for what it's worth.:flower:

The policing system in rural Canada is worse than the U.S, generally speaking. Thanks for your comments. I appreciate them all a great deal.

[Constance]

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[Anka]

In my country there are no people of any color, and if it were, it is not as if we were two different species, we look the same and we all have 10 fingers and two hands to be able to hug, above all the doctrine, whatever it is, and above all suffering.

We are human.
Many tears flowed until we humans waited for everything to get better, but apparently a few or many do not understand until we completely lose hope.

I know that unconditional love is the biggest paradox possible, but we are all here and we all see that it is morning dew on the grass, we all share the same rays of sunshine, we all have sad or happy moments.
It is a very delicate matter to be addressed in words, but if we have a pure heart for any kind of life, then we also have the freedom to say honestly "I feel love for all that is alive!"
We are individuals, beautiful, powerfull, magical, creative beings, we are humans, everywhere we are just humans.
We may need a "revolution of natural and pure humanity" that we all have acquired through our self-merit in altruism over the pure idea of ​​life, because it all begins with life.

I know that some may not be able to fully understand what it means to appreciate the life of every living being, but I also know that many of us humans, if we see a child regardless of color, screaming in pain in the street we can not be careless and we will definitely jump immediately in order to help him.
In fact I am here for the first and last time, only as a kind of reminder that for us, maybe, "all lives matter" has a positive and optimal relevance for the unique human race.

[AutumnW]

If you truly think ALl lives matter then I expect that you also are for:

Medicare for All
Universal Basic Food programs
Labor being represented on Boards of Companies
Ending homelessness by giving people a way out of it(ie free housing for all)



Many of those changes I do want in some form. I used to subscribe more to the economic libertarian ideas that are common on this site and other conspiracy discussions, but nowadays I see them largely as a dead end. If anything I've grown more open-minded to FDR style New Deal changes. I think that too that many libertarian/independent leaning Americans increasingly do not at all understand the perspectives of minorities, younger generations or foreign cultures, and when it comes to the human toll on the environment, they have their heads in the sand.

Despite that however, my belief in civil liberties has only strengthened, and thus I'm quite averse to many aspects of critical theory. For that reason, I'm skeptical of any movement to correct inequalities that relies on a top-down approach, without have a bedrock of decentralized energy abundance to build off of.

Chris, I don't even know what Critical Theory is. Mike has mentioned it several times, so I figure that it is like the SJW bible. And hey, you seem to have blown past a lot of the b.s and arrived at the conclusion that the governing war mongering duopoly never want anybody to consider. Democratic socialism, and by that I mean everything on the list that Praxis has outlined, appears to be the only way out. And heavy heavy emphasis on the 'democratic' part with a lot of citizen involvement and plenty of checks and balances.

Much of the problem of race is grounded in class, in poverty as Sue/Ayt posted. There is this underlying tension, all the time...for everybody. I lived in the States for a few years, and it was bad then. I don't imagine it's gotten anything but much worse.

[Constance]

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[AutumnW]

Thanks Constance, I will read up on it. I am avoiding youtube. If CRT is what I think it is, the videos will annoy me too much to watch.

[Lunesoleil]

My father was racist, he didn't like strangers. He was a farmer who loved the land not out of conviction but not having to be an only child. He was a beekeeper, an occasional hunter when he spotted a rabbit, he knew how to flush him out of his burrow. He kept these sheep and an intellectual on his own when a stranger was invited to the house. In my youth, I was like him, no questions asked, it came from my education. We lived near a military barracks, there were from Reunion Island, Tahiti, Guadeloupe doing their military service, maybe my father's racism came from there? I can think in the United States it is difficult to conceive of racism even if it can exist between black and white, even if the discrimination is still there. There is the before and there is the after. Slavery has not been abolished, we are still someone's slave in this world. To come back to racism, France within 50 years, maybe less, will have lost its original identity, you know the Gallic, the French of deep France, that of my father, of our ancestors, of our history, like that of America. It is the flow of evolution that is at issue and certainly not the racism which I think is in the history of mankind, but all countries are not equal in diversity ... 🙏

[AutumnW]

Hi. Listen Gemma,

I am very very sorry I painted with such a broad brush last night. I upset you and that wasn't fair. You are obviously a lovely person who cares deeply and is trying to get to the truth. A lot gets lost in translation.

Anyway, I figure that if we were to know the specifics of our lives we would be friends. I would understand why you think the way you do and vice versa. And being spit on for no reason, as a child, would be a formative experience for sure!

The reason I asked you why you were addressing me as if I wasn't there is because in your initial post to me, I didn't process the first line correctly, just the first few words. I have optical damage from glaucoma and it fell in my blind spot. So that must have sounded pretty unhinged.

Take care,

Autumn

Hey Autumn

Thanks. I agree that in person we would probably have some really great conversations and a lot of laughs.

And as much as I am very happy to read your message and very grateful to you for sending it I'm kinda disappointed it had to come via PM instead of being posted publically in the thread.

I think it's really helpful for members to see no hard feelings between people after a sticky exchange on a highly charged topic, as well as seeing a bit more of our true selves.

So I'd like to ask if you are willing to post your PM on the thread. I would then be able to respond publically to your grace in an equally graceful way.

I think it would serve the forum as an important "educational moment of closure" if you like, that could potentially help others in future entanglements.

Kind regards
Gemma

And sorry to hear of your visual problems - a bummer for sure.

Here it is, Gemma!:thumbsup:

[Gemma13]

Awesome Autumn.  Thank you so much for sharing our PM's and for your kind words. :handshake:

I knew we were sitting on the edge of crossing the line in forum standards when we butted heads the other day so I'd also like to apologize to the mods for putting them through a moment or two of having to hold their breath as we nutted it out.  Thanks Mods for calling it when you did.

[PurpleLama]

Thanks Constance, I will read up on it. I am avoiding youtube. If CRT is what I think it is, the videos will annoy me too much to watch.

You really have to look into it, as it is rapidly becoming pervasive, especially in the corporate environment.

I have not read this, but I track on a lot of the articles and writings of Lindsay and Pluckrose, and by all accounts this is an excellent primer: Cynical Theories (https://www.amazon.com/Cynical-Theories/dp/1800750048/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=cynical+theories&pd_rd_r=6553a5fc-ba63-4ed2-8963-3907fca21638&pd_rd_w=LBE9K&pd_rd_wg=uKdFG&pf_rd_p=5d249daa-c586-46f5-902e-027d01be0aff&pf_rd_r=SW0KVRZPWW63Q9P7PASK&qid=1606434521&sr=8-4)

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Lindsay is hilarious, and this interview is very worthwhile to watch/listen.

[AutumnW]

PLlama, I know all about it. I just didn't know that it was called CRT. I can't stand it. It politicizes what should remain personal. People shouldn't be persecuted for being different, but neither should the entire world bend, in a very public way, to the neuroses and will to power of those who misuse the rubric of "individual rights, human rights, etc..."

[Constance]

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[Constance]

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[Gemma13]

It was so bloody obvious, back then, that this was where we were heading.

BLM HAS SET ANTI-RACISM BACK DECADES

BLM promotes a politics of division and victimhood at the expense of social solidarity.
Rakib Eshan 8 Deceber 2020

Following the death of George Floyd at the hands of a Minneapolis police officer in May this year, Britain has witnessed a wave of Black Lives Matter (BLM) demonstrations. These protests have not only taken place in major cities such as London, Birmingham and Bristol, but also on the Isle of Wight and the Shetland Islands.

They have not had the positive effect BLM’s witless supporters envisaged. A recent poll by Opinium has found that a majority of people – 55 per cent – believe that BLM has actually increased racial tensions. This view is also shared by many ethnic-minority Brits (44 per cent). Labour voters are also notably more likely to agree than disagree with the view that BLM has heightened racial tensions in British society. From the perspective of social cohesion, these polls highlight a worrying sense of growing division and antagonism.

And there has been a lot to divide and antagonise coming from the BLM movement. We have been subjected to the sight of protesters chanting ‘don’t shoot’ at British police officers who are not usually armed; police officers being assaulted with impunity during ‘largely peaceful’ BLM demonstrations; a BLM activist attempting to burn a Union Flag at the Cenotaph; statues being torn down by BLM activists; and the defacing of a statue of Sir Winston Churchill, who led the British charge against Nazism in the Second World War.

Moreover, the exclusionary nature of the BLM movement has intensified intra-black animosity in Britain, with black Britons who refuse to toe the BLM line labelled by identitarian fanatics as ‘coons’ and ‘Uncle Toms’, and accused of being ‘race traitors’ and ‘house negroes’.

When taking all of this into consideration, is it really any surprise that the majority of Brits have taken such a dim view of the BLM movement?

. They are focused on making white British people feel forms of ‘collective guilt’ over slavery and colonialism, and vilifying non-white people who firmly reject the politics of victimhood. Indeed, the latter was perfectly demonstrated by the wave of hostility directed at Munira Mirza after she was appointed to set up the UK government’s commission on race and ethnic disparities. Pro-BLM activists called her a ‘racial gatekeeper’ and ‘brown executioner’.

As well as being a trade unionist who has traditionally voted for the Labour Party, I dedicated four years of my life to PhD research, which explored the impact of discrimination on the social and political trust of Britain’s non-white minorities. To now be lectured by pro-BLM ‘anti-racists’, who are ultimately more interested in winning virtue-signalling competitions in their extra-padded identitarian echo-chambers than in producing practical measures to strengthen racial equality in Britain, is not something I take kindly to at all.

The anti-racism movement is increasingly taking its eye off the ball when it comes to bread-and-butter issues: tackling racial discrimination in the labour market; creating a more responsive NHS which meets a diversity of health needs; building ties between police forces and urban neighbourhoods; and boosting forms of political trust in traditionally disaffected minority groups. Instead, the anti-racism movement is being taken over by those who have pledged allegiance to a political campaign that aims to defund police forces and dismantle the UK’s market economy. It is a deliberately divisive campaign which crassly portrays Britain – which remains one of the most successful examples of a postwar multi-racial democracy – as some sort of hard-right authoritarian dictatorship.

BLM is responsible for undermining the anti-racist cause. It has alienated those who are serious about racial equality but do not see their own country as a fundamentally evil entity. It has also been implicated in the growing normalisation of left-wing bigotry – something the Labour Party should be especially wary of given its troubles with the Equalities and Human Rights Commission (EHRC).

The UK, over the past few decades, has made steady progress in terms of race relations. The totalitarian impulses of the BLM movement are undoing many of these advances. It is time for patriotic social democrats to take a stand, push back on radical identity politics, and provide an uplifting vision for a post-Brexit Britain based on social cohesion, mutual respect, and equality of opportunity.

And we must do so before it is too late.

[Ewan]

A slice of history, how the caricature of black people looked. This mindset was prevalent by repitition.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUYarKCTvIk

Their music came from the soul and infuses so much of modern music today.

[Constance]

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[Gemma13]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3pjh8VcPMys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pjh8VcPMys
CRITICAL RACE PRAXIS:  THE GREAT PRAXIS.  EPISODE 1 JAMES LINDSAY & MICHAEL O'FALLON

Terrific breakdown on how and why Critical Race Theory is a CONSPIRACY THEORY:

. origins and what Critical Race Theory really is,

. how it was relevant back in the '50's but not today,

.  how they gaslight people into submission,

.  how it has been cleverly designed into a cult, also co-opting the anti-racist mob, and has infiltrated schools, churches, work places, etc,

.  how they want to define white people as inherently negative/evil,

.  how it wants to fight discrimination with more discrimination,

.  how it uses key words/definitions to market their conspiracy, e.g. Critical LOVE!,

.  how the public and Mama Bears are pushing back in schools, churches, etc,

.  great advice given toward the end of the vid for knowing how to push back on the gaslighting so your voice and logical questions can be heard.

Sent to me from a friend.  Critical to this thread.

[Michel Leclerc]

Neil Pascoe and mate

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=45462&d=1607901086&thumb=1
Thank you Constance. One of the most deeply resonating pictures I have seen that shows what is key to the issue: man-to-man bonding and love in all its meanings. Acceptance of sameness-in-difference and difference-in-sameness as a treasure, body-to-body, soul-to-soul, spirit-to-spirit, "nakedness lovingly watched by nature”. A variation of the story of the Indians meeting in the West – popular in personal developmental circles – “You are another I, I am another You” — but now resting on so many visual cues a well-crafted picture can bring. Great to find it back. A Yantra to keep in mind when one meditates on, or contemplates, love, as my Tantra teacher used to say.

[TargeT]

Neil Pascoe and mate

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=45462&d=1607901086&thumb=1

some things (good or bad) feed off the energy you give them, and only exist because of it.

[rgray222]

Wanting something to be true and the actual truth are quite often entirely different things.

https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a31RdR5_460svav1.mp4

[Metalaane]

I'm sure it's been mentioned in 31 pages by now, but I thought I'd just quip up with something because in many places on the Internet this, what I'd call fact, seems to be memory holed.

Contemporary racial tensions are largely manufactured by the media and have been since late 2012/early 2013 when Occupy Wallstreet was striking to close to a solution - class consciousness. Ever since then the media went into overdrive on trying convince America that racism was alive and well, but it's never matched up to my personal life and I suspect many here would say the same thing.

The one catch, though it was manufactured as well, is that some of my jobs towards my nearest major city, Cincinnati, have been frustrating due its status as a Sanctuary City. They were sales jobs and, you might guess, it's not easy working a sale when you have to resort to Google Translate. It affected my performance ratings. It was frustrating but I didn't have anything against the (illegal) migrants personally - they wanted a better life like we all do. In a roundabout way, though, they made my own life worse when it was a commission pay sales job.

In a personal setting, though, I can genuinely not recall any racial tension with anyone in my life.

[TargeT]

Woke is a "dog whistle" for racism against white people?

Yeah; I'm not shocked...

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[T Smith]

Woke is a "dog whistle" for racism against white people?

Yeah; I'm not shocked...

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The thing is, the contingent on the left that embraces wokism and this brand of ideology doesn't think any of the remarks made by KH were a gaffe at all. So the commentator is somewhat off base to assume that Harris put her foot in her mouth. And to be fair, I'm not talking about all those who lean left, just the radical left embodied by the type of remarks KH makes in this video, and which has currently hijacked the entire democratic party. They truly believe it is "okay" to discriminate based on skin color, as long as said skin color is white.

I know plenty of people of color who are far more well off than other folks who are indigent--I'm talking teeth-missing, no-medical-care indigent--who so happen to have white-colored skin.

Throwing a wide net on any group, regardless of skin color, is just wrong.

Unfortunately the woke left just doesn't understand this.

[TargeT]

So the commentator is somewhat off base to assume that Harris put her foot in her mouth.

I agree, he was a bit hyperbolic with that take, what she said (on the surface) seemed very acceptable to those of the mind set you spoke of in your post; the implications of her statements DOES seem to be very racist, but the way it was presented makes it not very obvious IMO.

[DNA]

The biggest obstacle to globalism is Western civilization.
The vast racial majority of Western culture would be Whites.
If you want to destroy Europe and the United States then stigmatize Whites to the point they are hated and vilified, even by them selves.

The Woke movement is a disguised attack on Western Nation States.

[TargeT]

The Woke movement is a disguised attack on Western Nation States.


And it continues... re-writing history to make white people seem worse? Par for the course!

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[Mike]

"Issues that are not of their making.."

That quote stood out to me in that Kamala Harris clip.

Maybe I'm reaching, but I think she's hinting at what the left call "climate change", and she's saying the hurricane is largely the responsibility of whites because they're responsible for so called climate change (which is allegedly responsible for the hurricane. ( according to Don Lemon and other brain dead woke cultists).

Sounds circuitous, but I've seen the radical left obsessively attempt to make this latest hurricane a climate change issue. And that's what she's saying without directly saying it, seems to me. She can't say what she wants to say directly (the hurricane is the fault of conservative white people) but she's saying it in a sort of code for those who know exactly what she means by that (woke).

[onawah]

Well, good to know Mike, but I think I speak for other Avalonians when I ask about what I really want to know, which is if you are OK, if you and your sister and her place and the neighborhood survived Ian, and what your experience was before it passed on up the coast.
The last we heard from you on that score was that you were right in Ian's path, so judging from the videos we've been seeing of the destruction, I don't think you can fault us for being concerned for your safety.
But I'm glad you are at least OK enough to post about other topics...


"Issues that are not of their making.."

That quote stood out to me in that Kamala Harris clip.

Maybe I'm reaching, but I think she's hinting at what the left call "climate change", and she's saying the hurricane is largely the responsibility of whites because they're responsible for so called climate change (which is allegedly responsible for the hurricane. ( according to Don Lemon and other brain dead woke cultists).

Sounds circuitous, but I've seen the radical left obsessively attempt to make this latest hurricane a climate change issue. And that's what she's saying without directly saying it, seems to me. She can't say what she wants to say directly (the hurricane is the fault of conservative white people) but she's saying it in a sort of code for those who know exactly what she means by that (woke).

[TargeT]

Ahh how the turns table.



Kanye West SLAMS Black Lives Matter Calling It A SCAM, Says ITS OVER And The Polls PROVE HIM RIGHT
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Even our modern entertainment, strangely currently focused on "reboots" (imo, the destruction of previous things), is leaning heavily into this... and they have absolutely no remorse, they will publicly insult their own customers.


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[TargeT]

It's been woven into politics for decades now, but it seems like most people just sort of excuse racist comments as "oh they misspoke" or "it's just a saying from a different time".

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[DNA]

"Issues that are not of their making.."

That quote stood out to me in that Kamala Harris clip.

Maybe I'm reaching, but I think she's hinting at what the left call "climate change", and she's saying the hurricane is largely the responsibility of whites because they're responsible for so called climate change (which is allegedly responsible for the hurricane. ( according to Don Lemon and other brain dead woke cultists).

Sounds circuitous, but I've seen the radical left obsessively attempt to make this latest hurricane a climate change issue. And that's what she's saying without directly saying it, seems to me. She can't say what she wants to say directly (the hurricane is the fault of conservative white people) but she's saying it in a sort of code for those who know exactly what she means by that (woke).

My estranged father, a hard core Trump hating liberal lives in Tampa Bay. I sent him the Kamala Harris statement printed out. I would be lying if I said there wasn't a small part of me saying " I told you so".
Displaced since living in a hotel with his home in pretty bad shape he regrets nothing and still hates trump with a passion.

[Ernie Nemeth]

It is difficult to pin down this entire issue as it is presented to us these days.

But it is equally difficult due to our own ignorance about the history of the races. How many races are there? Is each nation as a group, a race? Does every language denote a distinct race? Can the religions of the world define race. Or is it about skin color?

Why isn't blood type considered a race? Why not DNA commonality? Or eye color?

Until the issue of defining what a race actually is, how can a debate be had?


I believe there is a means to define actual race distinction, but it is obscured by the eons since the races of humans came here from other star systems.

These days it would be best to consider humanity as one race with a rich, diverse, and convoluted past - and leave it at that.

[TargeT]

It is difficult to pin down this entire issue as it is presented to us these days.

But it is equally difficult due to our own ignorance about the history of the races. How many races are there? Is each nation as a group, a race? Does every language denote a distinct race? Can the religions of the world define race. Or is it about skin color?

Why isn't blood type considered a race? Why not DNA commonality? Or eye color?

Until the issue of defining what a race actually is, how can a debate be had?


I believe there is a means to define actual race distinction, but it is obscured by the eons since the races of humans came here from other star systems.

These days it would be best to consider humanity as one race with a rich, diverse, and convoluted past - and leave it at that.

a veiled tactic of "divide and conquer" necessarily is vague and ambiguous; it's just forced manipulation.. I've met like 3 people I would consider as actually "racist" in my life (2 were asian) in the US (many more out side of it).... but if you watch TV it's every other person.

It's a well executed divisive topic with almost no actual data or "proof" behind it, yet it's easily adopted (the "other people" are racist idea) due to humanities naturally companionate nature.

Grade A manipulation.

[Ernie Nemeth]

This race issue is very much part of the plan, or as its proponents call it, the great reset.

The why of it is quite apparent at many levels: disrupt society and its social norms, create fear and chaos, shock and awe by displays of depravity and terror, sow hate and derision toward the 'outcasts', cause and condone mob mentality and behavior, and eventually eliminate 90% of the useless eaters.

I believe that beyond all of this is another level we know nothing about. On that level race may well play a big part.

And some of those races may not even be human.

[rgray222]

I honestly believe that there are those that want to keep racism alive because it suits their purpose politically and/or financially. This is not to say that racism does not exsit it certainly does but as this man so eloquently put it, "there are those that want to fan the last embers of rascism."

https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/abvb7LO_460svav1.mp4

[Akasha]

Apologies if the following have already been posted. Many clips of the full interviews below have been posted online but I feel it is important to watch them in their entirety to get the most accurate context:

1: Ye on Drink Champs, deleted by Drink Champs almost immediately after the event:


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2: Ye with Piers Morgan:


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In the interview with Morgan, he references Candace Owen's new exposé of BLM, "The Greatest Lie Ever Sold" (YiFi torrent link below):


The Greatest Lie Ever Sold (https://yts.mx/movies/the-greatest-lie-ever-sold-george-floyd-and-the-rise-of-blm-)

Personally I'm still split between the notion of him either a) exhibiting B.A.D symptoms, b) playing his part on the masonic chessboard, or c) telling the truth.

The fact that he still professes to being a xstian keeps him squarely on the plantation that he wants to liberate him and "his people" from. The irony.

But what do I know? :)

[Akasha]

Ye: Black Hitler? Psy-op to splinter the MAGA crowd?

The inimitable and indomitable Albert Bishai chimes in with his thoughts on the subject.

Caution: strong language and thoughts throughout.


KANYE:ORCHESTRATED PSYOP OR IS HE OFF THE KOSHER RESERVATION? (https://odysee.com/@ALBERTBISHAI:b/KANYE_ORCHESTRATED-PSYOP-OR-IS-HE-ORGANICALLY-OFF-THE-KOSHA-RESERVATION_:e)

[Akasha]

Christopher John Bjerknes suggests that Ye should hi-light the Armenian genocide to Jamie Lee Curtis in response to her comments since his children are one quarter Armenian (Albert Bishai played it in my previous post but it was rather difficult to understand as he was playing it through his phone/tablet).


KANYE WEST, THE HOLOCAUST AND THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE (https://www.bitchute.com/video/7V7F2qhadrDV/)

[rgray222]

I can't see how this would engender racial equality or even or as the woke to say racial equity.

https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aKE3vZZ_700bwp.webp

This actually a while back but it is the first time I became aware of it. I never thought I would see a day when the USA started to undo all the gains made by Martin Luther King in the 1960's.

Source:https://www.nas.org/blogs/article/harvard_prepares_to_host_all_black_graduation

[TargeT]

If your white, not only can you NOT watch the new blackpanther movie; but you can't comment on it either (??)
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Clown world is sad sometimes.

[arwen]

"Equity" as racism - excluding one race from employment - is a form of economic genocide.

Equity was first applied in South Africa, and those whites who did not have inherited wealth from their families or the right connections to keep their jobs, or able to make the right "deals" ended up in squatter camps. Despite being skilled and able to work they were forbidden from working. They are forbidden any kind of aid, and even when people take food to them, they have it taken away.

See this sickening video of that exact instance: (6 minutes)

Reality of South African whites in 2023 (https://archives.lovinglifetv.com/video/574/reality-of-south-african-whites-in-2023?channelName=Scott)

And the result of not having skilled people in jobs, but only employing people based on what they look like, is that the country is in a state of dysfunction - such as the daily power blackouts, mail not delivered, breakdown of service delivery, crime, violence, fraud, theft, graft, etc etc.

This is America's future if this Equity agenda is not challenged on constitutional grounds very soon, as all the corporations and local governments are already applying this, this is not only federal.

Tucker Carlson reacts to the Biden administration's equity agenda on 'Tucker Carlson Tonight.'

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[arwen]

New Racist Biden EO Installs Equity Czars in Every Federal Agency and Converts Entire Exec Branch Into Woke DEI Cult: AFL Vows Relentless Opposition (https://aflegal.org/new-racist-biden-eo-installs-equity-czars-in-every-federal-agency-and-converts-entire-exec-branch-into-woke-dei-cult-afl-vows-relentless-opposition/)

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WASHINGTON, D.C. – Yesterday, President Biden issued an Executive Order titled “Further Advancing Racial Equity and Support for Underserved Communities Through the Federal Government.” Without any Congressional authorization, Biden has ordered a radical, racist, and fundamentally anti-American overhaul of every federal function under the guise of “equity.”

Background on “Equity”

“Equity” is a euphemism for discrimination based on race, national origin, sex, or economic class with respect to employment, university admissions, and access to government benefits, programs, or services. As applied, “equity” is nothing more or less than a rebranding and reorientation of the racism in the “Jim Crow” era, the class hatred in Stalin’s “anti-kulak” policies, and the dogmatism of Mao’s “Cultural Revolution.”

The Biden Administration is no stranger to illegal programs to advance “equity.” For example, President Biden and his congressional allies rendered certain farmers completely ineligible for COVID-19 related farm aid, based solely on the fact that they were white. AFL sued and stopped the program, which was subsequently rescinded by Congress. President Biden and his congressional allies also put certain American restaurant owners at the back of the line for COVID-19 related benefits–again, because they were white. AFL sued and stopped this.

To be clear, the pursuit of “equity” is not just a federal phenomenon. AFL currently has multiple class-action lawsuits against private and public entities like Amazon, Texas A&M University, and six Texas medical schools for racially discriminatory hiring and admissions practices–all of which are premised on “equity.”

The Executive Order Directs a Radical Government-Wide “Equity” Overhaul.

Without direct Congressional authorization or supporting appropriations, Biden has ordered the federal government to accelerate the advancement of facially illegal “equity” measures throughout the federal government and its operations...

Statement from America First Legal President Stephen Miller:

“With the stroke of a pen, Biden has transformed the entire federal government into a DEI cult—putting equity czars inside virtually every single agency of the executive branch and subordinating every department to the marxist equity agenda. Every previous law and regulation must now be reinterpreted to ensure racial and gender equity: in other words, to achieve a predetermined racial or gender identity outcome even if it requires ruthless discrimination against American citizens.

This includes every agency from the FBI to FAA to FDA to FHA to FEMA.

Indeed, the Executive Order is explicit in calling for ‘outcome-based’ decision-making in the implementation of all federal laws and regulations.

The most extreme excesses of the radical woke college campus have just been transported into, and embedded within, every function of the federal government— in an attempt to supplant the actual laws and Constitution of the United States in order to punish and exclude Americans based on their race, ancestry, and gender.

As part of this colossally lawless scheme, the Director of Domestic Policy, Susan Rice, will be leading a White House equity committee to ensure no government activity is left untouched by Biden’s DEI takeover of the government.

Biden does this all by passing no new laws, let alone constitutional amendments, but by ordering the permanent bureaucracy to follow his written orders to completely remake government in the image of the ultra-woke ultra-radical left.

Workers will be retrained and re-educated. Policies will be redrawn and redesigned. Benefits will be redirected and reoriented, all according to the marxist equity czars and their taskmasters in the White House.

We at America First Legal, and our Center for Legal Equality, will fight this abomination in every way that we can. From the beginning, we have led the charge against the poisonous equity agenda and we will be even more relentless in the days and months to come.” said Stephen Miller.

[arwen]

Gonzalo Lira proposes a “White Man Walk Out” on April 5: (video is 7 minutes)

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[arwen]

Biden Gives Power to Susan Rice for Sweeping “Racial Equity” Makeover of the Federal Government: “Agency Equity Teams” to Be Established to Run All Departments, Reeducate Workers (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/02/biden-gives-power-to-susan-rice-for-sweeping-racial-equity-makeover-of-the-federal-government-agency-equity-teams-to-be-established-to-run-all-departments-reeducate-workers/)

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Joe Biden has appointed Susan Rice to be the chair of the new “White House Steering Committee on Equity” to conduct a sweeping “racial equity” progressive makeover of the federal government with the establishment of “Agency Equity Teams” in all departments that answer to Rice. Biden issued an executive order on Thursday titled, “Executive Order on Further Advancing Racial Equity and Support for Underserved Communities Through The Federal Government.”

The Agency Equity Teams will have power and funding to transform the federal government by “Delivering Equitable Outcomes Through Government Policies, Programs, and Activities.” Every year agencies will submit an “Equity Action Plan” to the White House Steering Committee on Equity chaired by Rice. Also, “each Agency Equity Team shall support continued equity training and equity leadership development for staff across all levels of the agency’s workforce.”

[T Smith]

Gonzalo Lira proposes a “White Man Walk Out” on April 5: (video is 7 minutes)

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At the 4:35 mark:

"...how long do you think Western Society will survive if you (the White Man) one day just don't show up?..."

Ahh, careful... the progenitors of the Great Reset might just start stirring this pot to promote the idea

[arwen]

Gonzalo Lira proposes a “White Man Walk Out” on April 5: (video is 7 minutes)

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At the 4:35 mark:

"...how long do you think Western Society will survive if you (the White Man) one day just don't show up?..."

Ahh, careful... the progenitors of the Great Reset might just start stirring this pot to promote the idea

They already are. It comes from them. They are eugenicists and racists.

"Equity" is a pivotal part of the Great Reset.

They already rolled this out as a pilot project in South Africa. It was longer and slower, took many years, but it was successful because whites are a minority in South Africa.

Why do you think the extreme acceleration and haste to flood Western Countries with "refugees"?

Whites are not yet enough of a minority in those countries, which is why they are speeding up the mass migrations.

Klaus Schwab did say there was a need to greatly accelerate Agenda 2030. Very likely because there was more resistance to the vaccine agenda than they had expected. And in their perception (WEF et al) whites are the ethnic group pushing back the hardest and loudest against these agendas.

[arwen]

What are We Doing to White People? (Charlie Cheon, 16 minutes)


I talk about the rising tide of racial hatred against White people that some are refusing to acknowledge is happening. Six minutes of this sixteen minute video is a compilation of what people are saying about White people online. Take a look for yourself, and ask yourself: where is all of this going? We can take a peek into the future by examining what is going on in this cultural climate: segregation and hatred of White people, sanctioned by government and law. You can shout all you want that such policies are remedial in nature, but that does not make it so. It is not true that people of color don't have the power to discriminate against White people. It's just that we are taking advantage of our newfound cultural power and change in social dynamics to propagate this falsehood while engaging in active discrimination. The schoolyard bully often says "I'm not bullying you" as he does just that. We're going backwards. "History doesn't repeat but it often rhymes."

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[Ernie Nemeth]

Racism, a word that has no definition, is a byproduct of the rampant systemic corruption in our governments and institutions.

Every person is racist...mostly because there is no definition of racism.

However, talk of skin color is always definitely racist. Skin color is superficial and has no bearing on the character of the person beneath the skin.

It is always easy to confuse the underclass. They will hate on command.

It is always easy to placate the middle class. They will offer excuses for the establishment on command.

If you are not sure of your status: if you own a home, have savings, go on vacations, you are not the underclass.

Racism is a class war.

[arwen]

This Earth Angel uses his wealth to go around and help homeless people in despair. In many cases they cannot believe someone could be so kind and they are overwhelmed. He is black, never shows himself in his videos, but is on a self appointed mission to give people on the streets who are homeless some hope. He helps people of all races, and does not exclude white people in dire need. Now THIS is "anti-racism" without even trying. Without any ideologies or books. He simply has a heart of gold, and compassion, is in a position to help, and loves doing so:

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[T Smith]

This whole racism thing is going in a very bad direction. The recent poll (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/its-ok-to-be-white-agree-72-including-53-of-blacks) that got Scott Adams canceled suggests nearly half of all black people subscribe to these sentiments (https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1629340437235261441?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1629340437235261441%7Ctwgr% 5E868d6270ca64a798de2db7234481729145658828%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.revolver.news%2F2023%2F02%2Felon-musk-defends-dilbert-creator-scott-adams-slams-racist-media-and-racist-black-people%2F):


I don't condone Scott Adams divisive response (https://www.revolver.news/2023/02/scott-adams-goes-off-get-away-from-black-people-escape/) to this poll, but one cannot deny his observation that our current culture openly sanctions racism and hatred against white people. If we continue along this path, it's but a matter of time before the belief system described in the video becomes institutionalized, which arguably has begun already.

It's hard to fathom the above sample reflects the sentiments of nearly one-quarter of the population and one half of black people (and likely a majority of the younger generation of all colors who are being overtly indoctrinated to hate), but if true, we are fast approaching a milieu where history repeats the worst of the tribal proclivities of human nature. I look at everyone of the people in this video with chilling shock. I do not judge or fear them (and I certainly won't stay away); I am rather alarmed by the social psychology undergirding a societal development that is shaping minds to truly believe the type of sentiments expressed here. Everyone of these viewpoints come from an engineered paradigm of understanding; every person in the video has come to their truth and full-heartedly believe what they are saying. They are not wrong in their viewpoints, as they only know what they know and understand the world through the filter of mediated experience.

Whether they understand or not, our woke culture is generating truths that are dehumanizing an entire group of people...

Hmmm. Sounds a lot like racism to me.

[DNA]

This whole racism thing is going in a very bad direction. The recent poll (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/its-ok-to-be-white-agree-72-including-53-of-blacks) that got Scott Adams canceled suggests nearly half of all black people subscribe to these sentiments (https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1629340437235261441?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1629340437235261441%7Ctwgr% 5E868d6270ca64a798de2db7234481729145658828%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.revolver.news%2F2023%2F02%2Felon-musk-defends-dilbert-creator-scott-adams-slams-racist-media-and-racist-black-people%2F):


I don't condone Scott Adams divisive response (https://www.revolver.news/2023/02/scott-adams-goes-off-get-away-from-black-people-escape/) to this poll, but one cannot deny his observation that our current culture openly sanctions racism and hatred against white people. If we continue along this path, it's but a matter of time before the belief system described in the video becomes institutionalized, which arguably has begun already.

It's hard to fathom the above sample reflects the sentiments of nearly one-quarter of the population and one half of black people (and likely a majority of the younger generation of all colors who are being overtly indoctrinated to hate), but if true, we are fast approaching a milieu where history repeats the worst of the tribal proclivities of human nature. I look at everyone of the people in this video with chilling shock. I do not judge or fear them (and I certainly won't stay away); I am rather alarmed by the social psychology undergirding a societal development that is shaping minds to truly believe the type of sentiments expressed here. Everyone of these viewpoints come from an engineered paradigm of understanding; every person in the video has come to their truth and full-heartedly believe what they are saying. They are not wrong in their viewpoints, as they only know what they know and understand the world through the filter of mediated experience.

Whether they understand or not, our woke culture is generating truths that are dehumanizing an entire group of people...

Hmmm. Sounds a lot like racism to me.
I live in the USA. Since 2014 or so there has been an anti-white sentiment.
Now it is overt.
Do you have a child in school or do you know any children in school?
Leave no child behind created idiots coming out of school. Reading, writing, basic math, history.... all lost on them.
Enter CRT and now white children are despised, hated, verbally abused, taught by teachers to be ashamed of who they are because of ancestral guilt.
They are physically attacked and beaten.
They are attacked in the class rooms, walking home from school, on the bus.
I don't hate any minority but I would be a fool if I didn't recognize their hatred of me.
I would be a fool if I knowingly put my family in harms way by taking them into a situation where they were surrounded by people who despise and hate them.
I don't think Dilbert writer dude was out of line at all. He hit the nail on the head.
When looking at places to potentially live I look at the racial demographics and choose accordingly.
If that's racist so be it. That word has been used as a club for so long I'm now numb to it's effects.

[rgray222]

Food for thought, interview with Angela Davis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Davis), an American Marxist and feminist political activist. Founder and support of Black Power movement and ally, defender and proponent of BLM.

Angela Davis 'can't believe' ancestry revelations going back to the 1600s

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We are all connected and all the same. Acceptance of this fact brings life into focus.

[Mark]

I live in the USA. Since the 1600s or so there has been an anti-black sentiment.
It is still overt.
Do you have a child in school or do you know any children in school?
White supremacy created idiots coming out of school. Reading, writing, basic math, history.... all lost on them.
Enter White Supremacy and since the country's inception black children are despised, hated, verbally abused, taught by teachers to be ashamed of who they are.
They are physically attacked and beaten.
They are attacked in the class rooms, walking home from school, on the bus.
I don't hate any member of the majority but I would be a fool if I didn't recognize their hatred of me.
I would be a fool if I knowingly put my family in harms way by taking them into a situation where they were surrounded by people who despise and hate them.
I don't think Malcolm X was out of line at all. He hit the nail on the head.
When looking at places to potentially live I look at the racial demographics and choose accordingly.
If that's racist so be it. That word has been used as a club for so long I'm now numb to it's effects.

[T Smith]

I live in the USA. In the world today--forget about when or where it started--there appears to be both an anti-white and an anti-black sentiment. Call it an "identity-other" crisis, and in fact an "anti-other" crisis including all others, which teaches everyone they are different from the other and to fear the other. When did it start and who is to blame? The other, of course.
This crisis is overt, sanctioned, and getting worse. Who benefits?
Do you have a child in school or do you know any children in school?
Institutionalized identity politics coupled with skin color teaches our children their identity, that they are on one side of the divide or the other. It prepares them for war with their fellow humans, and to subconsciously hate. Reading, writing, basic math, history.... all lost on them.
All children are thus subjectively despised, hated, verbally abused, and taught by teachers to be ashamed of their inculcated identity relative to the identity of other.
They are physically attacked and beaten. Which only reinforces the ebuillent formation and systemic inculcation of tribalism, hatred, and further divide based on otherness. This is human behavior 101. Some say the manipulation of it en masse is by design. Like a puppeteer with strings. In any case, it demonstrates a human weakness among tribes, and all humans regardless of otherness are susceptible to the trap, to mind control, to hypnosis, and fall prey to greater forces at play.
The other is attacked in the class rooms, walking home from school, on the bus.
I don't hate any identity category outside my own, and there are some of us who are guided by spirit and not by other, but I would be a fool if I didn't recognize the other's hatred of me, depending on my gender, color, pronoun, sexual orientation, or any historical association I may have with my tribe, be it true, propagandized, or fabricated entirely to enforce the hatred. We are, after-all, who we are based on what we are taught. The question bears repeating here. Who benefits?
I would be a fool if I knowingly put my tribe in harms way by taking them into a situation where they were surrounded by others who have been taught to despise and hate them.
Martin Luther King and his ideas of oneness is sacrilege in my world. He is so far off the mark he would be canceled in my world, demonized, and considered a terrorist, or worse, a White Supremacist.
When looking at places to potentially live, the cultural influence of tribalism (and the instilled fear of the other) is far too great a force to fight and I choose accordingly. If I'm brave and willing to embrace all tribes based on their underlying humanity, or if I suggest All Lives Matter, I am brutally despised for it and am reminded the subconscious influence of my tribe still bears influence over my behavior and identity and my hatred for the other, even if I'm unaware of it, and especially if I'm woke and subscribe to pernicious social engineering programs that have manipulated my perception of the other in the name of equality.
If that's racist so be it. I have no idea what that word even means anymore since it's used mostly in every context just to describe the other.

[grapevine]

Back in 1975, Racism was an item included in UK's Equal Opportunities Act.  This legislation sought to provide a legal framework to protect the rights of individuals, advance equality of opportunity for all, and to promote a fair and more equal society.  The Act was updated in 2010 and renamed the Equaities Act, and as far as I'm aware it's still in place and updated from time to time.

The Equalities Act covers discrimination on : age, disability, gender reassignment, marriage or civil partnership (in employment only), pregnancy and maternity, race. religion or belief and sex.  In my lifetime I have been discriminated against several times in terms of age, maternity, race and sex (although not all at the same time). 

I am not diluting racism whatsoever, but how and why has it been elevated above all other forms of discrimination?  My intention is not to cause offence but rather to open the discussion to include other forms of discrimination which, from my own personal experience, is just as brutal.

[Mark]

We gotta go beyond all this, y'all.

We must.

It is the only way through. Those who keep falling for this okey doke playing both sides against the middle shiza are part of the game. I've spent enough time in this thread to know what's useful to discuss and what isn't. What's useful now, at this point, is understanding the nature of the game, of the media, the system.

And using it against itself by seeking the common ground that ALL humans share because we are spirits, souls, inhabiting bodies. We are more than the base feelings, more than the sectarian alliances.

It is time for humanity to be our designation. Divide and conquer should not work so well here, should it?

[DNA]

We gotta go beyond all this, y'all.

We must.

It is the only way through. Those who keep falling for this okey doke playing both sides against the middle shiza are part of the game. I've spent enough time in this thread to know what's useful to discuss and what isn't. What's useful now, at this point, is understanding the nature of the game, of the media, the system.

And using it against itself by seeking the common ground that ALL humans share because we are spirits, souls, inhabiting bodies. We are more than the base feelings, more than the sectarian alliances.

It is time for humanity to be our designation. Divide and conquer should not work so well here, should it?

In 2016 I told you pretty much the exact same thing you are saying here.
I was responding to the videos you handpicked to play for your thousands of followers on Facebook.
As a BLM activist you were playing videos of white people doing or saying the most racist things you could find.
There was no love and light in your message or let's all get along aim to what you were doing.
You were openly trying to create a " us VS them" atmosphere.
I pointed out on your posts what you were doing and that I could just as easily go out and find videos of black people doing and saying the same kind of racist things to white people. I asked you, but what would this accomplish?
In response to my question you unfriended me and blocked me so I could no longer comment on your posts.
I private messaged you questioning your silencing of me rather than debating me openly.
Your response to me was that I was a racist.
You called me a racist and after we had some back and forth you assured me I was racist but probably subconsciously so as such I couldn't see it but you could.

You see I knew then what you may know today.
I knew that BLM, CRT and the democratic party as a whole were attempting to divide the country.
Well I'm here to tell you.
Job well done.
You have succeeded.
Now we get to watch our divided country fall apart.
Sure the white people will probably perish first but in the end we all will.
So congrats if you want to call that a victory.

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[Delight]

Here is my personal take on racism. It is the second lowest form of Us and them. The first is sexism. IMO, it is BECAUSE people believe that this world is all about competition in which a pyramid of importance is set up and as the pyramid is built, fewer and fewer may rise. People who have been discriminated against see no path except to rebuild the pyramid and find a way to climb IT to the top. BUT, the TRUTH is we will NEVER reach the top as that rung has been filled since the reset we think of as "history".

Racism is not just claiming that a "race" is superior. Sexism is not just claiming that a sex is superior. It is claiming that actually, being a human being aside from the pyramid of power is nothing. People are just movable cogs. At this time, the pryamid is being reframed to suggest white people are the issue but its still the same play. No one is important...just one's function is valued. No function approved anymore? Then one should just die and leave room on the pyramid for the approved.

If we know that we were created FOR the very purpose of expressing our own unique qualities in a symphony which is impossible without all the instruments, we might refuse to see ourselves as races and sex and all the "isms" used to turn us against one another.

Maybe it is framed this way in hell (and IMO this is a HELLISH death world) so we get absolutely disgusted by what we are asked to do to "live"? Once we question the scheme and refuse to play, IMO divine has a way to break through the shell of our ismatic bondage. Only a few get this feature until experiencing the depths of evil. I am not EVER coming back here. I'd like to think it will ever "improve" but I doubt it will....the cycle just keeps spinning.

[Mark]

You see I knew then what you may know today.
I knew that BLM, CRT and the democratic party as a whole were attempting to divide the country.
Well I'm here to tell you.
Job well done.
You have succeeded.
Now we get to watch our divided country fall apart.
Sure the white people will probably perish first but in the end we all will.
So congrats if you want to call that a victory.


I have always known that the divisions of this nation are false and the dichotomy of race was as well. It is a product of who I am and who I have always been, raised in the Military Industrial Complex in multiracial environments. I have always advocated for understanding and unity in the face of our shared humanity.

If I have succeeded in anything, it is nothing other than making sure that Othered voices are heard. And speaking up for those perspectives. For those of you who see that as a negative, your perspective is no longer dominant.

I am an activist for Black Lives, not an activist for an organization. That has always been clear as well. You cannot conflate the two no matter how hard you try.

White people will be fine, DNA. Your fear is unfounded. There will be no race war either, black folks and other melanated folks as a whole do not want revenge.

Come out of the bunker and embrace people who are also people, who do not wish you any harm and only want to live their lives and thrive in these crazy, jacked up times.

[Ernie Nemeth]

It's the 'melanated' tag line that cringes.

To set it straight, whites regulate their melatonin, others do not. That's so we can get enough D3 into our systems in these northern climes.

I've heard you call us the melatonin challenged before.

I'm wondering, is that the only difference that matters?

Trying to group people by whether a person has a regulated melatonin function or whether melatonin has overwhelmed their physiology seems trite.

Maybe we should call it melatonin poisoning. Runaway, out of control, melatonin production.

Silly and demeaning.

[Mark]

It's the 'melanated' tag line that cringes.

If you are talking to me the term is direct and relatively accurate. Not sure what other term to use? Pretty much everybody is melanated to some extent, there are two types of primary eumelanin, black and brown, and then red and yellow pheomelanin.


I've heard you call us the melatonin challenged before.

Melatonin is a brain chemical, I don't know why I would have said that? Do you have the original context?


I'm wondering, is that the only difference that matters?

Trying to group people by whether a person has a regulated melatonin function or whether melatonin has overwhelmed their physiology seems trite.

Maybe we should call it melatonin poisoning. Runaway, out of control, melatonin production.

Silly and demeaning.

Again I'm not sure what you mean by this or how exactly it was mentioned in the original context or why it is pertinent here.

EDIT: Ernie, I've searched the entire site for "melatonin-challenged" and "melanin-challenged" - just in case - and come up with no hits, except for your comment.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I only brought it up for others to understand that no matter what criteria is used, what words are employed, skin color is superficial and not a clue to a person's character.

Sorry, confused the two, melanin is what I was referring to.

The reference to 'melanin challenged' would be in this thread, many pages ago. I remember because I thought it was a novel derogatory term, and I was a bit jealous you had thought of it. Then the more I contemplated it, I realized it was an insult - like the 'N' word, or (meant to be worse than) 'cracker'.

[Mark]

The reference to 'melanin challenged' would be in this thread, many pages ago. I remember because I thought it was a novel derogatory term, and I was a bit jealous you had thought of it. Then the more I contemplated it, I realized it was an insult - like the 'N' word, or (meant to be worse than) 'cracker'.

Ok I found a discussion point where you were talking about it. It was a post about blue eyes and their evolution (
). Here was your response to that article, that did not state the phrase "melanin-challenged":

[QUOTE=Ernie Nemeth;1546025]Okay.

My thoughts are that when I heard the idea that white skin is a mutation I started thinking of other ways such a trait could be explained without resorting to calling it a mutated version of the original. It seems to me that either conclusions should not be reached until we have more data or we have to consider the real possibility that there are other worlds and other humanoids indigenous to each.

Somehow melanin-deficiency seems ...uh... racist.

Oh now I get it. Sometimes I'm a bit slow. Not good at such word-play.

Turned the table on me. Nice one.

Point taken.

sorry

Nor did I state the phrase "melanin-challenged" at any point.

[T Smith]

I am an activist for Black Lives, not an activist for an organization... You cannot conflate the two

This is assuring to hear you say... cuz there are so many activists with good and pure intentions of advancing the interests of Black Lives who do conflate the two.




White people will be fine, DNA.



I'm not so confident any of us will be fine. Unless we so happen to be among the 500,000 living by the tenets etched in stone on the late Georgia Guidestones monument... In which case, I'm not overly worried about being White, Black, or Other. Indentured Pleb is the only identity that will matter in that world. And to be clear, I'm also not suggesting the sky is falling and the objectives on the Guidestones will ever come to pass, but I do believe the jury is out on the question. And it depends if we humans take the bait. And--with respect to those who hold opposing viewpoints, and with a reverence for and strong desire to achieve true social justice among all--embracing identity politics in the name of social justice certainly isn't the best way to avoid that outcome. IMHO.

Carry on....

[Agape]

I’ve recently come up with citation of my own mind saying “There are no “black&white” people, there are only colorful people with black&white opinions.”

Still hoping the world gets me right one day.

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[Ernie Nemeth]

I've just read through this thread again.

The discussion here has been high level.

Mark has truly made this the thread that it is.

Excellent posts by many.

Such a difficult topic.

I see it as a sign of the strength of conviction that we represent but also our ability to change our minds when presented with compelling counter arguments.


Mark, I cannot find the post I was referring to so I must take back my accusation. Although I remember it, I might be mistaken about the context and the wording. Or I might have confused who said it.
Sorry.

[Ewan]

Here I am quoting myself and not for the first time, but I'd forgotten all about this and was amazed all over again. Look at the nested quote (which I have bolded), it obviously struck me then as being prescient - now even more so as we can see it unfolding everywhere within the west. The Commitee of 300 is very real seemingly!


That student newspaper article reminded me of the closing chapters of Shikasta (by Doris Lessing), which was the first in a series of novels entitled Canopus in Argos: Archives.

The disaffected youth of all nations gather in Greece for a trial, holding a representative of the white races to account for all the horrific history of said race. Namely the avarice, rape and murder with which they greeted virtually every nation they encountered, from a false arrogance of superiority. By the end of the trial however the majority had concluded that pretty much every nation had been the same in their own way to various different subsets of humanity. Rather than the white race being alone they were all guilty of man's inhumanity to man.

On p417 I just noticed an interesting part from which to quote. It is with the trial ended and the various factions heading off home..


..I was getting reports of rumours - very strong and persistent - particularly in India and Africa, that there were plans for 'mass transfer of populations' to all parts of Europe
(snip-snip-snip)
.... but the fact is, coincidence or not, massacres, a determined and planned wiping out of the remaining European populations was on the cards and being actively endorsed...

Shikasta was first published in 1979

What else was happening in 1979 (http://www.thepeoplehistory.com/1979.html)

Thatcher became the first female PM of Britain.
63 Americans are taken hostage in the American Embassy in Tehran
Iran's government becomes Islamic Republic when the Shah of Persia is forced to leave
400 Armed Sunni Islamic Muslims, seize the Grand Mosque in Mecca taking pilgrims present for the annual hajj hostage. The crisis ends after two weeks and more than 250 dead.
A mob attack destroys the US Embassy in Islamabad, Pakistan
The Sahara Desert experiences snow for 30 minutes. [You go global warming!] (Ok, climate change! 03/03/2023)
Rhodesia becomes Zimbabwe.

Regarding the 'a representative of the white races to account'. From memory it was this characters soul plan but the 3D incarnation had forgotten it, only to get back on track just in time to fulfill the plan. So Lessing knew all about soul contracts and the problems of actual incarnation. I sometimes wondered if she had actually channeled the story.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWi5AZ94xRU&t=14s

[Mark]

This is assuring to hear you say... cuz there are so many activists with good and pure intentions of advancing the interests of Black Lives who do conflate the two.

That is very, very true. If I were such a person, I would not still be here on Project Avalon. The goals of folks who do that are not my goals. I do not align with Communism and China, I do not align with agendas that separate people and keep dividing us into smaller and more specialized interest groups.

I feel like that is part of the trap to keep us separated. To make us continue to think we are different from one another and cannot come to any common understandings.


I'm not so confident any of us will be fine. Unless we so happen to be among the 500,000 living by the tenets etched in stone on the late Georgia Guidestones monument... In which case, I'm not overly worried about being White, Black, or Other. Indentured Pleb is the only identity that will matter in that world. And to be clear, I'm also not suggesting the sky is falling and the objectives on the Guidestones will ever come to pass, but I do believe the jury is out on the question. And it depends if we humans take the bait. And--with respect to those who hold opposing viewpoints, and with a reverence for and strong desire to achieve true social justice among all--embracing identity politics in the name of social justice certainly isn't the best way to avoid that outcome. IMHO.

I agree.

But...I must point out, who started with the Identity Politics in the first place, in the late 1600s? And has kept it going for all of these centuries?

I'm just saying.

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I’ve recently come up with citation of my own mind saying “There are no “black&white” people, there are only colorful people with black&white opinions.”

Love this.

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Mark, I cannot find the post I was referring to so I must take back my accusation. Although I remember it, I might be mistaken about the context and the wording. Or I might have confused who said it.
Sorry.

Appreciate you, Sir.

[DNA]

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I have always known that the divisions of this nation are false and the dichotomy of race was as well. It is a product of who I am and who I have always been, raised in the Military Industrial Complex in multiracial environments. I have always advocated for understanding and unity in the face of our shared humanity.

If I have succeeded in anything, it is nothing other than making sure that Othered voices are heard. And speaking up for those perspectives. For those of you who see that as a negative, your perspective is no longer dominant.

I read your words but I'm not extracting a meaning. It's as if you're introducing me to your thoughts but didn't get around to sharing them.

So I'll stick to the thread title. This isn't about you. This is about the current state of race relations.

I keep hearing about white supremacists like this is a current problem.
I don't think it is.
I think white supremacists exist in isolation pecking away at their keyboards or trying to be the cool guy buying alcohol for teenagers 20 years their junior.

I was born in a Midwest steel town.
A very racist Midwest steel Town.
It was 1986 when the first black family moved into this town.
I'm going to be honest, that family was taking a risk because up to that point there were no black families in this town.
But, times were changing and they came in and got along just fine. I was in junior high and friends with a young lady who belonged to that family. She was optimistic and happy and seemed to be doing just fine. She and her mother would come join me at my fishing hole in the near by lake.
More black families moved in. No big deal.

But a few years earlier my mother moved us into an all black neighborhood in North St.Louis.
I was seven at the time.
In that neighborhood I was mugged at knife point or rather my mother was, by four black men as my mother was carrying a bag of groceries pushing a stroller with my 4 year old sister in it trying to get us home. I remember her scream of pain as her purse strap was broken being yanked off of her arm.
My mother having a knife put in her face and threatened when the food stamps from her purse were not the score they were looking for. They still took the food stamps

I remember my 4 year old sister receiving a laceration across her forehead that would require 6 stitches to close. I remember the blood pouring from her forehead as I picked her up and carried her in the house. My shirt covered in her blood. All because she was a white girl playing ten feet from her porch and a group of black kids thought she would be good target practice to throw rocks at.

And the final blow before my mother gave up and moved us out was her being violently attacked in her own home in the middle of the night by three black men the details I will spare you.

Now, I have to tell you. I feel my family was singled out because we were white.
Is that racism?

Yes racism is real.
I've seen it from both sides.

But it got better.
Through the eighties and nineties.
By the year 2000 to 2010 I would say things were much better.

And then came Black Lives Matter and Democrats went full jump the shark mode trying to convince black people that they needed to be saved. They needed to be saved from the dreaded scurge of white supremacists.

These same democrats can't seem to figure out how the biggest danger to a black man, is a black man.

But no, let's continue with the threat to anyone of color is a white supremacist..

And you know what? They bought that ****.

The violence I saw from the 70s and 80s is returning.

Is it directed at Black people?
No it is not.

I dare you to name a city in the United States that a black person would feel they were not safe in. Because in my opinion it does not exist.

Same is far from the truth for white people.
There are parts of every major city it would be dammed dangerous for a white person to wonder into.

It didn't have to be like this.
Black Lives matter was supposed to be about police brutality which was a fair criticism. But this got conflated into white VS black.

There are no white supremacists of note and if you tried really hard to get a rally going, you wouldn't have enough for a game of four on four with a half court.

Remember 2014 when the media was slamming us day in and day out with the Trevon Martin case?
And then it was Furgassan MO?
And the it was George Floyd?

Didn't that seem suspicious that they were pushing a narrative?
I mean during the same time period there were hundreds of not thousands of other stories out there.
They knew what they were doing.
Creating a narrative.

It was the same thing you were doing when you blocked me from your Facebook page for pointing this out.

You did it again in 2019 when I tried to do the Facebook thing again. I was friends with Lord Sidious who's post popped on my page and low and behold it's your thread so to speak I get linked to.
You again were heavily invested in the Democratic party it was very pro Biden.
I was the only Trump supporter posting.
You defended socialism after my accusation that this was where we are heading under BLM and democrats.
After I outlined Trumps foreign policy of no war you again blocked me from the conversion. You couldn't have me making converts out of your followers.

Look I've made a lot of mistakes in the past but I can admit them.

I was a Democratic voter.
I voted for Obamma.
I learned the error of my ways.

Not you. You continued your love for Hillary and Biden.
Have you learned now that they are Globalists and pawns to powerful forces?

Better late than never Mark

Are you still pro-vaccine?
I'm truly 100% sorry if you've gotten it.
If you haven't learned by now you need to, for the sake of your loved ones and family.

Those liberal forces wanting to destroy our constitution are aligning with the W.H.O.
As we speak.
So they can mandate the jab and force every single man woman and child to receive the cocktail that at best sterlizes and causes health problems for a stunted and shortened life. And at worst kills you outright or within months.

You keep telling me everything is going to be okay but we haven't even gotten to world war three yet.

I'm a white guy Mark and just like I can't tell you how it feels to be you, you can't tell me how it feels to be me.
I'm highly empathic.
From my position black people are looking at white people with contempt.
Hell, the brain washing has worked so well there are plenty of blue haired white people looking at whites with contempt.
My Mexican wife sees it. We live in a very white area. But there are black folks here.
They will start into trash talking white people just moments after they meet her.
Is she imagining that?


This is what the Democratic party has been pushing and this is what we've gotten.

A regression in race relations.
A blame on the white race for the mistakes of their ancestors.

In the aim of destroying the United States no greater blow could be struck then attacking, traumatizing and demoralizing white people until they are no longer the pillar that they are in helping to support this great republic.

I'm not kidding when I say if the white race is
made ineffectual and conditioned to apologizing for all missdeads to the point of submissiveness the United States stands little chance against those who would conquer and over throw her.

You want to do some good Mark.
Realize the mistakes of your Democratic party and educate those thousands of Facebook followers to what's real.

Nothing but love Mark I know you're a smart guy so please stop the rhetoric.
We all have to stick together in the face of what is coming.

[Mark]

You say it’s not about me, but then you continue to talk about me.

I’m not interested in defending myself to you. I have nothing to defend. Nor will I take the time to address your personal accusations. They’re from your perspective and therefore valid to you, even if they are ad hominem and inaccurate in detail and conclusions about what I’ve supported, whom and why. We interpret things from our own perspectives, however they might be biased.

But one thing I will address:

Your personal experience as a young person were very traumatic to you. I can see that. I’m sorry those experiences occurred to your family. One thing I can say, when in my life I’ve engaged white people who’ve had traumatic experience with black people - and I’ve met a good number of such who open up to me about their racial feelings, somehow, I feel “safe” to them - is that they often widen their range of grievance to all black people. I’m sure it’s the same for black folks and other folks regardless of color or ethnicity.

I can feel your hurt and pain in your words. I don’t remember all you say happened in the detail you say it happened. But I accept that you felt some kind of way about it. I hope someday you will feel as if whatever you feel happened is settled and are able to move beyond it.

[Mark]

In reading back over your post DNA, there are some good points that you make that I do want to address.




I keep hearing about white supremacists like this is a current problem.
I don't think it is.
I think white supremacists exist in isolation pecking away at their keyboards or trying to be the cool guy buying alcohol for teenagers 20 years their junior.

I agree they exist on the periphery. And only ‘come out to play’ when their chains are jerked by whatever race-related issue is raised in the MSM that presents some kind of threat to their perceived whiteness. While I do understand that there are people who would rather not live around people of color and want to remain seperate, that is not what I mean when I say white supremacist, or even racist. There are people of every ethnic grouping who prefer to be around people who look like them and share their culture. This is tribalism.


Now, I have to tell you. I feel my family was singled out because we were white.
Is that racism?

I don’t think we share an understanding or definition of what racism is. I would definitely say that your family was singled out, but those were predators and I’m certain they preyed on black folks in that neighborhood too over time.


By the year 2000 to 2010 I would say things were much better.

The years after 911 saw us externalize the threat again. We were collectively “against” Muslims. When that happens in the USA, we are bound by our national ties. It is something that is common in times of war for us as a nation.


And then came Black Lives Matter and Democrats went full jump the shark mode trying to convince black people that they needed to be saved. They needed to be saved from the dreaded scurge of white supremacists.

These same democrats can't seem to figure out how the biggest danger to a black man, is a black man.

I assume you are talking about black on black crime. The enemy there is poverty. Poor people living together. No matter the color. People predate on each other, it’s the way things are. When ghettos get jobs that situation does and will change.

Here I will agree that the foundational globalist controllers of the Democratic Party use black people as a reliable base. Because the alternative is not tenable to most blacks. Especially those who’ve had experience around a lot of Republicans. Blacks who do so often have to give up large aspects of their culture or otherwise assimilate in order to fit in. There are often monetary considerations involved as well.


But no, let's continue with the threat to anyone of color is a white supremacist..

And you know what? They bought that ****.

It’s far from that simplistic. Don’t infantilize a whole race of people. It doesn’t work.


The violence I saw from the 70s and 80s is returning.

Is it directed at Black people?
No it is not.

The statistics don’t support your claims here.


I dare you to name a city in the United States that a black person would feel they were not safe in. Because in my opinion it does not exist.

How about the countryside? Small towns? Exurbs?


Same is far from the truth for white people.
There are parts of every major city it would be dammed dangerous for a white person to wonder into.

Also not true according to the statistics. Whites are reclaiming the cities. Especially Millenials and Gen-Z as they age.


It didn't have to be like this.

It’s not like you’re describing. I challenge your basic assumptions about what is actually happening in this nation right now. What you’re writing reads more like a narrative based on the Turner Diaries or Atlas Shrugged.


Black Lives matter was supposed to be about police brutality which was a fair criticism. But this got conflated into white VS black.

I agree with this without qualification. Accepting money from that Chinese think tank was a terrible idea and certain to raise suspicions. I see our issues in-nation as more of a family affair. I’d love to explain that further but this is perhaps not the space.


There are no white supremacists of note and if you tried really hard to get a rally going, you wouldn't have enough for a game of four on four with a half court.

Agree. The problem arises when fear is in play. Like, the fear of white genocide. Then, the supremacists come out and they gather the fearful unto themselves. Then we have problems. The folks who listen to them and maybe find they agree on some points tacitly support them. That is literally the entire history of the United States from before it’s inception as a nation in the late 1600s until the 1960s.


Remember 2014 when the media was slamming us day in and day out with the Trevon Martin case?
And then it was Furgassan MO?
And the it was George Floyd?

Didn't that seem suspicious that they were pushing a narrative?
I mean during the same time period there were hundreds of not thousands of other stories out there.
They knew what they were doing.
Creating a narrative.

That is what the media does. Fear-porn. A lesson learned well from Tavistok and 100 years of mass media programming, starting with The Birth of a Nation. Remember that one?


It was the same thing you were doing when you blocked me from your Facebook page for pointing this out.

Actually, no. You were about to get eaten up and I was stopping a war on my timeline before it began. I have real Black Lives Matter activists as well as Black Nationalists, Left-wing radicals and all of those kinds of people you think I am on that FB page. I knew you could handle it and we have this space. My FB strategy is spiritual in nature and designed to awaken people who are sleeping and who think they are “woke”. The direct confrontation that you represented was inimical to my aims. I delete far-left liberals too when they start haranguing people. So it was not just because you were a Trumper. I still have many Trump folks on my timeline there. Many I’ve known for decades. You just were insistent on fighting about it.



You again were heavily invested in the Democratic party it was very pro Biden.
I was the only Trump supporter posting.

I’m still friends with Lord Sidious. He is consistent and real. I was invested in anti-Trump. Not a fan of Biden.


You defended socialism after my accusation that this was where we are heading under BLM and democrats.
After I outlined Trumps foreign policy of no war you again blocked me from the conversion. You couldn't have me making converts out of your followers.

You have a very interesting way of thinking and interpreting events. You making converts out of my friends was never a concern of mine. You creating conflict was. My timeline is not a Democracy. Not then, not now, not ever. I allow peaceful, respectful and considerate discussion and those kinds of conversations happen all the time. That is not what you were offering.


Not you. You continued your love for Hillary and Biden.
Have you learned now that they are Globalists and pawns to powerful forces?

I knew what they were then. What the American people were offered as choices for leadership. The devil and the deep blue sea. All of our choices suck, every, single time. But, you know, I am a local politician also, elected to office by my neighbors, friends and even some enemies. So I understand the nature of politics and also the nature of people and what they want. Which is as little interference by government and its forces as possible unless it benefits them directly.

Which is exactly where the conflict and conundrum lies for us all and for Democracy as a whole. This has always been its promise and it’s curse, creating in and out groups. And now that the calculus’s has shifted for the first time EVER in this nations history, it is no surprise that a pessimistic view of the present and future has arisen to combat the narrative shift. Too many people have a zero-sum perspective, in that they believe that if other people gain, it must mean they lose.

That’s not the way it really is nor is it the way we are going, once we get past this battle royale with what’s left of the Cabals.


Are you still pro-vaccine?

I’ve never been pro-vaccine.


I'm truly 100% sorry if you've gotten it.
If you haven't learned by now you need to, for the sake of your loved ones and family.

Thank you. My family is not vaccinated. Well, one of my daughters works in mental health and she had to get vaccinated to keep her job. Everyone else, no.


Those liberal forces wanting to destroy our constitution are aligning with the W.H.O.
As we speak.
So they can mandate the jab and force every single man woman and child to receive the cocktail that at best sterlizes and causes health problems for a stunted and shortened life. And at worst kills you outright or within months.

Yeah I don’t support any of that. I’m not sure exactly what is in that vaccine but I’ve read all the conspiracy theories and I know a percentage of people have heart issues associated with it.


You keep telling me everything is going to be okay but we haven't even gotten to world war three yet.

I'm a white guy Mark and just like I can't tell you how it feels to be you, you can't tell me how it feels to be me.

Of course not. But. Everything is going to be ok, DNA.

This, from a spiritual viewpoint. If you are not spiritual, it’s all good then, believe what you want. We can have a difference of opinion about it. In my view everything is perfect and all is as it is meant to be. Which means that, no matter how it may look, it is all what we are collectively and individually choosing in each moment. This, in relation to what the universe and galaxy are doing as well as the solar system. Intricate, interlocking pieces, forms of consciousness within which our wishes and desires are but minuscule parts of the overall decision-making power of collective-consciousness. Perhaps that is too communistic in nature for you to countenance. But, it is where I am always coming from.


From my position black people are looking at white people with contempt.
Hell, the brain washing has worked so well there are plenty of blue haired white people looking at whites with contempt.
My Mexican wife sees it. We live in a very white area. But there are black folks here.
They will start into trash talking white people just moments after they meet her.

All of them, eh? She meets some weird black people. Your perspective is not ours, as you said about yourself above, so maybe give black folks the benefit of the doubt sometimes dude. Perhaps they’re not trashing or contemptuous of white people the way you think. Perhaps they KNOW the history, which in all of your writings, you never bring up. Perhaps they know there is a track record. Perhaps they are a bit doubtful because they are waiting to see if white people as a whole have really changed, because it is white people as a whole that have been engaging in this long lasting experiment in Identity Politics that we call America.



Is she imagining that?

Don’t know your wife man. Don’t know if she is white-presenting, what she writes down when the official forms ask her what race she is, how she identifies, any of that. I know the situation with Hispanic folks down here in Texas and I know that many do consider themselves white and the Republican Party here in Texas is riding that for all it’s worth with Tejanos, who, in South Texas, are the white people when compared to the newly arrived who come illegally over the border. It’s complicated.

And, again, I don’t know your wife’s politics or how she identifies.




A regression in race relations.
A blame on the white race for the mistakes of their ancestors.

To me, this statement is the most important thing that you’ve said in this entire thread. You characterized the past as the ‘mistakes of their ancestors’. This shows me your perspective and also your heart.

So there are globalized interests who have weaponized both parties, remember Trance Formation and who Cathy was sexing for all those years. They have no side. They work for the same powers. ALL OF THEM.

So why are we divided in this community? Why do we follow those political lines when they don’t?

Because we are programmed. For me, participating in politics as I have aged is not buying into the system, it is preparing to change the system with others. When WWIII arrives, when the micronova hits, when the super wave arrives, the world will change.

But until then we are responsible for each other. People are caught up in their sides and to interact with them it is necessary to understand both sides.



In the aim of destroying the United States no greater blow could be struck then attacking, traumatizing and demoralizing white people until they are no longer the pillar that they are in helping to support this great republic.

And you accuse me of using rhetoric? Reread what you just said. As if white people alone created this nation.



I'm not kidding when I say if the white race is
made ineffectual and conditioned to apologizing for all missdeads to the point of submissiveness the United States stands little chance against those who would conquer and over throw her.

Ok. White people alone. Because it’s a white nation at heart, right?



Nothing but love Mark I know you're a smart guy so please stop the rhetoric.
We all have to stick together in the face of what is coming.

I will take you at your word.

[Wind]

People ought to remember that we all bleed red. We all share the common humanity despite all the outward appeareances and the outward appearances are what they are, just different manifestations of Spirit or the One Infinite Consciousness. Here in the one of the most nothern parts of the world chances are that you will be born as a blonde blue eyed person, that happened with in my case too and we are truly the whitest people on the Earth. It's just genetics. In my last life before this in life on the Asian continent my skin was much more brown. I don't have to identify with what I have although I can, I just happen to have this body now. I can accept it and try to be comfortamble in it, although the body can have it's own karmic conditions too as I've had. I see that there's nothing wrong with being proud of your ancestry and roots, it can be quite important to be connected to your ancestry and at least genetically you are connected to the people who came before you. In some ways we are people of the past too also.

Unfortunately racism is still very much alive here too which is a disgrace. Yet it's not so common, especially with younger people and in general Scandinavian countries tend to be very liberal minded. Especially on a predominantly white society it's hard to be feel being part of the minority in terms of skin color, you can just feel disparaged in different ways. The human mind is always seeking to separate and judge as it operates that way. The individual consciousness as person tends to feel separate, at least in the mind. The consciousness of the human heart doesn't feel that way.

As I haven't lived in USA I can't speak from experience, but from what I've heard and read it seems to me that there is much of tension in different parts of the country. Institutional police brutality seems to be a real thing and there seems to be no denial about the fact that black people have to not only face discrimination, but also fear for their safety when confronted by some police officers. How can that be? Shouldn't the police be the ones who are upholding the peace? At least that's how it is here and almost never anyone gets shot, so there is something very deeply wrong with the culture and in general in the American mentality and handling of firearms too and with their training. Should certain categories of people to be considered to be dangerous? What about hate crimes committed against many minorities, including Asians in the recent years?

Every country or Empire with such a troubled history (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCHuPpyoyBQ&list=PLCtsSTwQSIOKrtS_vyTAVuWLGnCB7Dbs8&index) and past such as USA has, means that there is going be big tensions and karmic issues and I feel that many of those issues from the past have not been resolved. In fact in many ways at times I feel it's like a powder keg waiting to explode and unfortunately I don't think I'm very wrong at that conclusion.

Karma, including karma of nations isn't about punishment, it's about learning collective lessons and clearing them so there can be more empathy and compassion. That's what soul healing and spiritual evolution is about.

I believe Dr. King was correct when he said that people shouldn't be judged by the color of the skin, but by the content of their character. I also believe that he was the last true (spiritually inclined) leader America ever had. He was taken out because the people in power feared that he could actually unite all people, both black and white. He truly embodied Christ-ian values, values about love and compassion. That's what they actually fear, unity. Unity between all people. Imagine truly united people in the united states, now wouldn't that be a sight. How could such people be controlled and enslaved?

Don't buy into the fear-porn concocted by the powers that be and their demonic media lapdogs who want you to buy into the feeling of being threatened by "others" (groups). They fear our possibility of unification as one people. That's because the truth is that we people aren't that different after all, after all we are all just souls in human form. Prejudice and bigotry like hatred also are things which can be learned and also they can be unlearned.

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[DNA]

I appreciate your time spent with such well written and well intended posts Mark.

You seem to have taken my statement about the United States failing should white people be successfully neutralized as detracting in so far as the contributions of any other race. That was not what I meant nor what I said.

I said that the United States needs its white citizens and as such all the people of color need white people right now if the United States is to persist in the face of what looms in opposition.
I do not apologize for that statement it is absolutely true.

I suppose it's easy to lose one's main point when a post gets too long.

The United States is under attack right now.
The enemies of the United States are fomenting racial hatred in people of color so they will be okay with attacking and hating white people.
This is happening right now all across the country.
This is what Scott Adams referred to when citing a pole done stating 47% of black people say it is not okay to be white.

There is video after video showing black children beating white children and what's even more horrific is that the whites are getting beaten to the point of unconscious and they don't even fight back. They have been programmed by anti-white rhetoric to the point they don't even fight back. They don't even defend them selves.
Being a white heterosexual male is so unpopular many young men have started sucking d!ck as their only line of defense.

There are seemingly unlimited videos of black on white crime. The knock out game where blacks are targeting white people. Videos of extreme violence.

You can't just say you don't notice this.
The same thing is going on in Europe.
Black refugees coming into their adopting country only to attack those white people and the laws in place stating it is against the law via the accusation of racism to publicly expose what is going on whether online or other.

The people most capable of thwarting the plans of the globalist are organized American Christians. And this is by and large another attack on white people. This is through the gay, lesbianism and trans community. Stating Christians are intolerant biggots.
It's also an attack on heterosexual and mostly heterosexual males.

So this is an attack primarily on white Christian heterosexual males.

And yes by and large if you defeat the minds, bodys and hearts of America's heterosexual white Christian males then yes America will be by and large very easy to defeat.


Once again I'm pointing this out to say we need each other.

And as a white, heterosexual Christian man I'm here to tell you this attack is very real.



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[Delight]

Once again I'm pointing this out to say we need each other.

And as a white, heterosexual Christian man I'm here to tell you this attack is very real.


I am a caucasion woman and actually I see this war is against both sexes, animals, plants and the very basis of "god given" rights as LIVING beings. I AGREE TOTALLY that we as Americans, that we as global citizens everywhere are under attack. IMO the great reset is the ultimate attack on Creator's children. There is something so wicked in our midst that people cannot imagine. The world as a place of "normal" good is deliberately undermined on all fronts.

The way it feels is that we are in a maze where the path out is blocked and we run here and there to blind alleys growing more and more desperate and turning on one another in our panic. The RELEASE of the block to get out of the maze is in some way very present for those who have turned to God, KNOWING we cannot get OUT of the maze on our own.

I love the spirit of revival that is ocurring and I absolutely KNOW those who love God are able to be HUMAN BEINGS in the real sense of spirit filled, loving and GUIDED persons. I am counting on Divine intervention to turn hearts.

I am heart sick that people are suffering. I hate to say it but I feel my whole life has been gaslit to TRUST the systems of the world and DOUBT God's ability to act in the world. Every time I hear testimony of miracles and NDE return, My heart lifts.

I used to believe in the world's systems, thinking if we just tweaked solutions for the problems, we could make things right. BUT what I have experienced is that wrongness has escalated exponentially in my life time. I have no idea if this has "good" reason such as helping people turn their attention to what is important? However, it FEELS as if we are drowning in a sea of evil and I wonder how it can continue without terminating the human race?

If we don't GROK our predicament of failure and repent of our mistaken alligence to the systems of the world, we will be subject to the destruction of them PLANNED IMO.

Back to racism. Personally, I can own my great fortune to be born in 1955 to live in a place where I as a caucasion girl, in Tuscaloosa Alabama, was not subjected to the apartheid that WAS PRESENT until the civil rights movement occurred. I was brought up solidly middle class which is like being a princess compared to many many places then and now.

It has been much easier to a woman in America and I have enjoyed so much in my life. I never had to worry about education, work, choices of lifestyle that women in many places face daily.However, I see it is a "man's" world still EVERYWHERE. Sexism is the silent fact underlying the reality I observe. It is SO CRAZY these days that even trans (wo)men are favored over natural females. Sexism and racism is IMO a symptom of our condition and not the cause.

Until the system changed, My parents were not "racists" BUT they definitely were "silent" on the subject of How In the World, people could be treated in America to the two tiered system? They did not want the flack of standing out I suppose? Whatever... Times changed.

I was in second grade nearby on a playground when George Wallace grandstanded on the steps of the University of Alabama. I saw burning crosses. My parents were silently happy that times were changing.

In the southern apartheid, People of "color" in Atlanta had a thriving "separate" reality of middle class professions and thriving businesses. Strangely, it looked to me when we lived in Atlanta after the civil rights era that these communities were actually disturbed in an unfortunate way. What I mean is, turmoil and disruption actually seemed to degrade the experience of many people as the system was changed.

There is a saying: God had a plan and the Devil stepped in and said" Let me help you organize it".

For some reason, we have all believed that the structures around us are made for our benefit and we do our part willingly. People often don't question WHY we should until they are betrayed. So, people cling for dear life to their piece of the "pie" baked by the middle "man". The betrayed may sometimes have a huge wake up for their good. Is this the plan of Creator? I don't know but hope.

The ideas of how to live followed and taught from generation to generation are accepted as being true until the system itself changes US. Think about the history we know and how we have been told each big change was "progress". I say NOT at all

What I see now is EVERY human run system is coopted by a tremendous anti LIFE force. It quacks like Satan is portrayed: the great organizer chortling as we believe "his" LIES. Civilization is acted out by us and NEVER seeing the end of the ILLS> WHY?

I have the strong feeling that the SYSTEMIZING itself is what is at fault. What could life be based upon if not a system? Nature is not REALLY a system but a giant community of spontaneous nature being. WE are aberrant. We have a perverse ability to self destruct thinking we are doing well. Very unfortunate.

There are plans now to TOTALLY reset the systems now. I see plans hurtling along:
Reduce the population through posioning and starvation (and genocide between races triggered when the Us versus them is seen to be life or death).
End the ability to reproduce naturally and have a "family" with close multigenerational bonds.
Create the new "slave" from those who can survive.
Place the survivors in controlled "15 minute" centers where only the compliant able to survive will be completely controlled.
END Christianity as this system despite its errors is able to open people up to God and the values of Love, Compassion and Forgiveness.

I am not a traditional Christian but I love God and I follow Christ. I am not worried about the afterlife. I do WONDER about the life now possible. All I can do is TRUST there is more to this experience I do not understand. Miracles are like white crows... if there is even one, they are REAL.

[T Smith]

"...We all have one enemy and its not each other…. call it the One Below, the Evil one, the Trickster, the Snake. If we would harness all the hate we have used on each other and direct it at that Evil, we could exorcise it from our planet in a blink of an eye. That Evil—which we drink and drug ourselves to death to deny—enslaves and murders the children of the world every day by the thousands in vampiric, Satanic acts. The possessed actually extract and drink their blood and talk about it right in front of our faces, but we refuse to hear because we think it’s only a fantasy (but it’s not)—if we would only hate that Evil with all the hate we direct at each it would go away and we could stop it. And that’s what we’re here to do. To stop it. We have the power to stop everything horrible that is happening on this planet…."

Roseann Barr

[Mark]

People ought to remember that we all bleed red. We all share the common humanity despite all the outward appeareances and the outward appearances are what they are, just different manifestations of Spirit or the One Infinite Consciousness.

Throughout human history we have known this and yet in many cultures the shedding of blood and violence are endemic and long-standing norms. It has been in American culture for a very long time, since the inception of the nation itself in revolution and warfare.


Here in the one of the most northern parts of the world chances are that you will be born as a blonde blue eyed person, that happened with in my case too and we are truly the whitest people on the Earth. It's just genetics.

And there is still melanin inside of your body and just a bit in your skin, if you have freckles. There are hardly any humans without any melanin whatsoever.



Unfortunately racism is still very much alive here too which is a disgrace. Yet it's not so common, especially with younger people and in general Scandinavian countries tend to be very liberal minded. Especially on a predominantly white society it's hard to be feel being part of the minority in terms of skin color, you can just feel disparaged in different ways. The human mind is always seeking to separate and judge as it operates that way. The individual consciousness as person tends to feel separate, at least in the mind. The consciousness of the human heart doesn't feel that way.

Absolutely.

It is SOOOO much different even here in the USA, from the times when I was a kid and teen, back in the 70s and 80s. So much better. I teach High School, 9th graders, but I know many black and brown kiddos today who have NEVER been called the N-word, never experienced direct discrimination and it makes my heart swell to know we've come so far.

What you speak of is where we are headed as a planet and it is much closer now than ever before, which is why we have to be so diligent this last little part of the Piscean way, as we enter fully into Aquarius, which I actually think we are in now.


Institutional police brutality seems to be a real thing and there seems to be no denial about the fact that black people have to not only face discrimination, but also fear for their safety when confronted by some police officers. How can that be? Shouldn't the police be the ones who are upholding the peace? At least that's how it is here and almost never anyone gets shot, so there is something very deeply wrong with the culture and in general in the American mentality and handling of firearms too and with their training. Should certain categories of people to be considered to be dangerous? What about hate crimes committed against many minorities, including Asians in the recent years?

George Floyd ended the doubt that people of color were exaggerating when we said historically that the police were being brutal when they engaged us. The nation and the world came together then to try to create change. We were of a shared mind, for a moment. And then the pandemic deepened and we backed off of the reforms as the horror of that direct witnessing wore off and politics as usual returned.

Hate crimes are problematic. They occur against Asians in black neighborhoods because they are seen as alien populations brought in with government aid to take resources out of the community without returning anything other than the goods they provide, which are often of a low quality. That is not an excuse. Just an observation. The rise in Asian hate crimes is also commiserate with the pandemic-born idea that China is the source of the Covid-19 virus.


In fact in many ways at times I feel it's like a powder keg waiting to explode and unfortunately I don't think I'm very wrong at that conclusion.

I am actually not so sure that it will. At least it doesn't have to. We are definitely one country when it comes to some things, no matter the color of the skin


Karma, including karma of nations isn't about punishment, it's about learning collective lessons and clearing them so there can be more empathy and compassion. That's what soul healing and spiritual evolution is about.

I think many people whose ancestors and families have prospered, or have been favored, by the engrained systemic preference that has been instituted by their nations, are upset that they are living in these karmic times. That they have to be the ones to deal with the shift in narrative and material well-being.

I don't think that they necessarily feel like that is fair and that is fair. To resent the times we live in and the situations that we are born into is a hard one, and it makes you want to not believe in such things as karma or fate or destiny. Why does this have to be happening to me and my children? Why can't we go back to when times were better?

Better for whom?


I believe Dr. King was correct when he said that people shouldn't be judged by the color of the skin, but by the content of their character. I also believe that he was the last true (spiritually inclined) leader America ever had. He was taken out because the people in power feared that he could actually unite all people, both black and white. He truly embodied Christ-ian values, values about love and compassion. That's what they actually fear, unity. Unity between all people. Imagine truly united people in the united states, now wouldn't that be a sight. How could such people be controlled and enslaved?

100% true. Yes!


Don't buy into the fear-porn concocted by the powers that be and their demonic media lapdogs who want you to buy into the feeling of being threatened by "others" (groups). They fear our possibility of unification as one people. That's because the truth is that we people aren't that different after all, after all we are all just souls in human form. Prejudice and bigotry like hatred also are things which can be learned and also they can be unlearned.

I don't, I work actively against such, in my own way, which isn't always supported or seen by other people. I do not apologize for that, but I do understand if I'm not popular or liked because of it. I have a mission in this life and I am fulfilling it to the best of my ability, as I am sure we all are, day in and day out.


I appreciate your time spent with such well written and well intended posts Mark.

I don't always handle things in the best way or communicate what I'm thinking with people. That is a failing of mine that extends beyond here and into my life. Thanks for giving me the space, impetus and opportunity to do so.


I said that the United States needs its white citizens and as such all the people of color need white people right now if the United States is to persist in the face of what looms in opposition.

I do not apologize for that statement it is absolutely true.

It absolutely is. We all have to step up to the plate together to do what needs to be done now, in the face of what is coming beyond us all, at the galactic and universal levels, whatever we may believe those things to be. Not just the world is changing, but the solar system is as well as our sector of the galaxy. What seem like petty problems at that larger scale are not, I believe, but integral to the times and the energetic milieu within which we speak and act individually and collectively.


The United States is under attack right now.
The enemies of the United States are fomenting racial hatred in people of color so they will be okay with attacking and hating white people.
This is happening right now all across the country.
This is what Scott Adams referred to when citing a pole done stating 47% of black people say it is not okay to be white.

Ok. Let me ask this, then. Do you believe that the "enemies of the United States" are non-white people? Do you think China is behind this? That would be the only non-white nation with power enough to consider such a path. Isn't China where the White Hats came out of? Isn't there a Nesara thread with the gold down in the Marianas trench and such things within which China is positioned as a global savior of some sort by some?

The political side of this is so confusing. But I stay aware of power plays and the state of global politics.

As the polling side of things is confusing as well. Numerous graduate level classes in statistics have convinced me that Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain) was correct in his assessment that "There are lies, damn lies and statistics!"


There is video after video showing black children beating white children and what's even more horrific is that the whites are getting beaten to the point of unconscious and they don't even fight back. They have been programmed by anti-white rhetoric to the point they don't even fight back. They don't even defend them selves.

Give me links. Let me see this evidence. You've mentioned this a few times now as some trend. It is not one that I see in the schools that I teach at nor one that I hear about in my national educator groups either. If this is 5, 10 videos or even more, that is still a drop in the bucket as far as population is concerned and these few videos may be being highlighted in order to get people to believe it is more widespread than it is.

I teach in a school that is primarily Hispanic, then white, with a small percentage of black students, less than 5%. I've seen and heard nothing to this effect here from my white students.


Being a white heterosexual male is so unpopular many young men have started sucking d!ck as their only line of defense.

There are seemingly unlimited videos of black on white crime. The knock out game where blacks are targeting white people. Videos of extreme violence.

You can't just say you don't notice this.

I've noticed a dramatic uptick in violence, period.

Black on black, black on white, white on white, people on people.

I believe it has to do with the solar and cosmic energy increase in our troposphere, what we call the Schumann Resonance. That energetic increase is making us ALL frenetic, ALL of us are feeling cagey, on edge, about to burst at any provocation. And that is what is happening. I see it on the highways as I drive a lot, people drive a lot more dangerously and crazy than they did a year ago, two years ago.

The majority of drivers follow the rules of the road, but there has been a noticeable increase in the percentage of those who don't anymore, they don't seem to give a damn and will do anything on the road.

Could there also be an element of race in this violence for some people? Of course. But unless you've got an overwhelming number of videos depicting specifically racialized violence, my thoughts on this are pretty well-formed by the evidence that I've accrued in my studies of space weather, LaViolette's super-wave and SuspiciousObserver's macronova cycle.


The people most capable of thwarting the plans of the globalist are organized American Christians. And this is by and large another attack on white people. This is through the gay, lesbianism and trans community. Stating Christians are intolerant biggots.

It's also an attack on heterosexual and mostly heterosexual males.

So this is an attack primarily on white Christian heterosexual males.

And yes by and large if you defeat the minds, bodys and hearts of America's heterosexual white Christian males then yes America will be by and large very easy to defeat.

Once again I'm pointing this out to say we need each other.

And as a white, heterosexual Christian man I'm here to tell you this attack is very real.

I was raised in the church. My parents were black Baptists from the south, which is very different from being Southern Baptist. I went to church every Sunday. Not just 11:00 service, but Sunday School as well. I was in the choirs of whatever churches we went to. Went to vacation bible school in the summers. Bible camps. We went to the black Baptist Church in the town I was born in when my father was between duty stations, or we were close enough to a black community off-base in the cities we lived in and around.

But otherwise, we went to church on the Air Force bases that my father was stationed at. Everywhere across the world that he took us.

And it was in these military churches, back in the 80s, that I was taught about the Rapture and the Tribulation, the Anti-Christ, Christ's Return, the 1000 year Reign when the devil would be locked into the Pit, then released again, then the Final Judgement.

So I am, personally and foundationally, Christian.

And yet, I am integrally a Mystic, because of my own, personal revelations of spirit. This broadens my understanding to encompass all religious traditions. My experience as a Christian Mystic helps me to understand that Buddhists have some things right, as do Hindus, as do Muslims, as do those who practice indigenous religions. The underlying spiritual basis of the world is the same. How we approach it and integrate it within our lives is where the cultural and societal environmental and linguistic differences come into play.

I share this background to tell you that I get it and know where you're coming from and see the attack that you are speaking of as one on the systemic orthodoxy of the United States as it has been formulated over centuries now.


I am a Caucasian woman and actually I see this war is against both sexes, animals, plants and the very basis of "god given" rights as LIVING beings.

Hey Delight! I am feeling this formulation.


I AGREE TOTALLY that we as Americans, that we as global citizens everywhere are under attack. IMO the great reset is the ultimate attack on Creator's children. There is something so wicked in our midst that people cannot imagine. The world as a place of "normal" good is deliberately undermined on all fronts.

We in this community have many names and understanding of this wickedness in high places, these Powers and Principalities. From Archons to Reptilians, the Foreign Installation to Grey Orion drones, from Psychopaths to Sociopaths. What underlies them all, though, is that which appeals to a certain incarnate, human mindset and that sets those so affected apart from the vast majority of us who only want to live and let live, enjoy our lives and this beautiful, wonderous world we have been so blessed to shephard since our "Makers" left us to our own devices.


The way it feels is that we are in a maze where the path out is blocked and we run here and there to blind alleys growing more and more desperate and turning on one another in our panic. The RELEASE of the block to get out of the maze is in some way very present for those who have turned to God, KNOWING we cannot get OUT of the maze on our own.

Very true. None of us are ever alone. That thought process in and of itself also contributes to our susceptibility to being drawn into the lifestyles of the soulless and materially substantial.


I love the spirit of revival that is ocurring and I absolutely KNOW those who love God are able to be HUMAN BEINGS in the real sense of spirit filled, loving and GUIDED persons. I am counting on Divine intervention to turn hearts.

Something which is still too far 'out there' for many to countenance openly or even, often, in the privacy of their own thinking process. I mean, what does it mean for something totally outside of the experience of any living human to be possible? What even does it mean? What could it be? How could it happen? What is it going to feel like? For people on both sides, those who are ready and those who are not? What is going to happen? The questions are never-ending.


I am heart sick that people are suffering. I hate to say it but I feel my whole life has been gaslit to TRUST the systems of the world and DOUBT God's ability to act in the world. Every time I hear testimony of miracles and NDE return, My heart lifts.

This is so and the nature and purpose of the world systems and instutitions, as well as many nations' material culture, which concentrates on the political and economic machinations of production and industry.

BUT.

GOD, in this case, as the Creative Function of the Multiverse and not Yldberoth the blind, crazy god, not Lucifer, Anu, Marduk, Enlil, Zeus, Odin, Oldumare, Quetzlcoatl or any of the other pretenders to the throne, is Supreme and we cannot envison or conceive of what is so far beyond our ken as to be Mystery itself.


I used to believe in the world's systems, thinking if we just tweaked solutions for the problems, we could make things right. BUT what I have experienced is that wrongness has escalated exponentially in my life time. I have no idea if this has "good" reason such as helping people turn their attention to what is important? However, it FEELS as if we are drowning in a sea of evil and I wonder how it can continue without terminating the human race?

After each Age, some people are left. Or so the global traditions state. There will be after this one, also. The planet herself will be fine. The biologicals who cover its surface and inhabit some portion of its interior are the ones at risk and even that is not total.

We can't continue the way that we are going now. All of our envisionings of what that future can look like fall under the auspices of science fiction and speculative fiction and those visions are so depressing, so mired in the dysfunctional thinking and beingness that so many of us embody currently that to think that the world will continue on in this vein and become those visions just leads one to despair.

We have to be able to do better because we can envision better. That the Cabals control what comes out in the media and how the scripts are formulated, what the potentialities may be for us as individuals and larger groups, is so scripted and limited in most cases that we cannot conceive of anything better for ourselves.


It has been much easier to a woman in America and I have enjoyed so much in my life. I never had to worry about education, work, choices of lifestyle that women in many places face daily. However, I see it is a "man's" world still EVERYWHERE. Sexism is the silent fact underlying the reality I observe. It is SO CRAZY these days that even trans (wo)men are favored over natural females. Sexism and racism is IMO a symptom of our condition and not the cause.

True enough. The cause is deeper.


Until the system changed, My parents were not "racists" BUT they definitely were "silent" on the subject of How In the World, people could be treated in America to the two tiered system? They did not want the flack of standing out I suppose? Whatever... Times changed.

This is the point that I made to DNA earlier. People are silent because they want to STAY SAFE. That is understandable. The psychopaths, the ones who can commit the violence without conscience, use fear as a tool to keep the system that favors them and their ways of being in place. It is a function of the system itself.


In the southern apartheid, People of "color" in Atlanta had a thriving "separate" reality of middle class professions and thriving businesses. Strangely, it looked to me when we lived in Atlanta after the civil rights era that these communities were actually disturbed in an unfortunate way. What I mean is, turmoil and disruption actually seemed to degrade the experience of many people as the system was changed.

I actually know a lot about this. But that is a big post in and of itself. If you want to talk about it further, I would be happy to, just let me know. Many people don't care to know the 'why' of it, or even the 'how'. But both of those are important in considering exactly how and why we got to and are in the position we are in right now.


There is a saying: God had a plan and the Devil stepped in and said" Let me help you organize it".

I've never heard that one before but I like it! Apt!


For some reason, we have all believed that the structures around us are made for our benefit and we do our part willingly. People often don't question WHY we should until they are betrayed. So, people cling for dear life to their piece of the "pie" baked by the middle "man". The betrayed may sometimes have a huge wake up for their good. Is this the plan of Creator? I don't know but hope.

Here's a quote for you: "If the truth makes you uncomfortable, don't blame the truth, blame the lie that made you comfortable."

The lie that made so many people comfortable for so long is coming unraveled and some people still don't want to see that it was a lie, nor do they want to blame those who told them the lie or, rather, passed it down as it was told to them.


I have the strong feeling that the SYSTEMIZING itself is what is at fault. What could life be based upon if not a system? Nature is not REALLY a system but a giant community of spontaneous nature being. WE are aberrant. We have a perverse ability to self destruct thinking we are doing well. Very unfortunate.

Castenda says, in that regard:
“We have a predator that came from the depths of the cosmos and took over the rule of our lives. Human beings are its prisoners. The Predator is our lord and master. It has rendered us docile, helpless. If we want to protest, it suppresses our protest. If we want to act independently, it demands that we don't do so... I have been beating around the bush all this time, insinuating to you that something is holding us prisoner. Indeed we are held prisoner! "This was an energetic fact for the sorcerers of ancient Mexico ... They took us over because we are food for them, and they squeeze us mercilessly because we are their sustenance. just as we rear chickens in chicken coops, the predators rear us in human coops, humaneros. Therefore, their food is always available to them." "No, no, no, no," [Carlos replies] "This is absurd don Juan. What you're saying is something monstrous. It simply can't be true, for sorcerers or for average men, or for anyone." "Why not?" don Juan asked calmly. "Why not? Because it infuriates you? ... You haven't heard all the claims yet. I want to appeal to your analytical mind. Think for a moment, and tell me how you would explain the contradictions between the intelligence of man the engineer and the stupidity of his systems of beliefs, or the stupidity of his contradictory behaviour. Sorcerers believe that the predators have given us our systems of belief, our ideas of good and evil, our social mores. They are the ones who set up our hopes and expectations and dreams of success or failure. They have given us covetousness, greed, and cowardice. It is the predators who make us complacent, routinary, and egomaniacal." "'But how can they do this, don Juan? [Carlos] asked, somehow angered further by what [don Juan] was saying. "'Do they whisper all that in our ears while we are asleep?" "'No, they don't do it that way. That's idiotic!" don Juan said, smiling. "They are infinitely more efficient and organized than that. In order to keep us obedient and meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a stupendous manoeuvre stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a fighting strategist. A horrendous manoeuvre from the point of view of those who suffer it. They gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators give us their mind, which becomes our mind. The predators' mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, filled with the fear of being discovered any minute now." "I know that even though you have never suffered hunger... you have food anxiety, which is none other than the anxiety of the predator who fears that any moment now its manoeuvre is going to be uncovered and food is going to be denied. Through the mind, which, after all, is their mind, the predators inject into the lives of human beings whatever is convenient for them. And they ensure, in this manner, a degree of security to act as a buffer against their fear." "The sorcerers of ancient Mexico were quite ill at ease with the idea of when [the predator] made its appearance on Earth. They reasoned that man must have been a complete being at one point, with stupendous insights, feats of awareness that are mythological legends nowadays. And then, everything seems to disappear, and we have now a sedated man. What I'm saying is that what we have against us is not a simple predator. It is very smart, and organized. It follows a methodical system to render us useless. Man, the magical being that he is destined to be, is no longer magical. He's an average piece of meat." "There are no more dreams for man but the dreams of an animal who is being raised to become a piece of meat: trite, conventional, imbecilic.”


There are plans now to TOTALLY reset the systems now. I see plans hurtling along:
Reduce the population through poisoning and starvation (and genocide between races triggered when the Us versus them is seen to be life or death).
End the ability to reproduce naturally and have a "family" with close multigenerational bonds.
Create the new "slave" from those who can survive.
Place the survivors in controlled "15 minute" centers where only the compliant able to survive will be completely controlled.
END Christianity as this system despite its errors is able to open people up to God and the values of Love, Compassion and Forgiveness.

Love breaks down the systems to the individual level. Love is the enemy of those bound to and by the systems. According to Christianity and many other religions, God IS Love.


I am not a traditional Christian but I love God and I follow Christ. I am not worried about the afterlife. I do WONDER about the life now possible. All I can do is TRUST there is more to this experience I do not understand. Miracles are like white crows... if there is even one, they are REAL.

I am not a traditional Christian either. But I know that Christ showed people the way. A man who was touched by God and who tried to share that we could all be like him, but his message was coopted and he was diefied against his will.

Such is life in this mortal coil.


"...We all have one enemy and its not each other…. call it the One Below, the Evil one, the Trickster, the Snake. If we would harness all the hate we have used on each other and direct it at that Evil, we could exorcise it from our planet in a blink of an eye. That Evil—which we drink and drug ourselves to death to deny—enslaves and murders the children of the world every day by the thousands in vampiric, Satanic acts. The possessed actually extract and drink their blood and talk about it right in front of our faces, but we refuse to hear because we think it’s only a fantasy (but it’s not)—if we would only hate that Evil with all the hate we direct at each it would go away and we could stop it. And that’s what we’re here to do. To stop it. We have the power to stop everything horrible that is happening on this planet…."

Roseann Barr

Thanks for that quote, TSmith. Very apropos. She took one for the team in her outing of Hollywood. And, for all of the above, thank you ALL in turn. This is a very beautifully and soulfully wrought thread, so much honesty and trust in each other. You are appreciated greatly.

[T Smith]

Hi Mark,

First off, what a thoughtful, insightful, and a well-written post. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100738-Racism&p=1546450&viewfull=1#post1546450) I will echo DNA's comments (and I'm sure I speak for others as well); I very much appreciate the quality of thought, depth, and time you consistently expend on your responses. I know you've spent considerable time studying and analyzing this topic so your perspective is always educational and thought provoking.

A few thoughts:




George Floyd ended the doubt that people of color were exaggerating when we said historically that the police were being brutal when they engaged us. The nation and the world came together then to try to create change. We were of a shared mind, for a moment. And then the pandemic deepened and we backed off of the reforms as the horror of that direct witnessing wore off and politics as usual returned.



I don't doubt the whole police brutality phenomenon, or that black folks were ever exaggerating. What does bother me, though, are the objectives and degree to which narratives around this phenomenon are spun, which ultimately influences and forms all our judgements about the reality undergirding race relations, police brutality, and racism in general. We thus absorb the narrative through the filter of personal experience, and the truth becomes subjective (and often divisive). I deliberately use the passive voice here. Because it's hard to pinpoint the subject of the narrative, the who and the why of it all (although I have my ideas). I'm tempted to say the MSM is the culprit, but I think it goes much deeper. To the extent the MSM is a centralized, institutional agent of propaganda, driven by agenda, the who and why of it goes much, much deeper and is far more narrow. Whoever is spinning the narrative at the social engineering level wants us all to understand the world in a certain way, undoubtedly for a certain reason. In other words, I know police brutality does exist and has existed, sometimes because of race. But I'm not sure to what degree it is a widespread problem, and to what degree it's a generated narrative. And more to the subject of this thread, I'm not entirely convinced, based on what may be anecdotal evidence presented to the world entire, and in theatrical fashion (e.g., the George Floyd incident), that police brutality is a racial phenomenon... Don't misunderstand me. It may be, and it may be a widespread problem, and it may even be a racial problem. I'm just not convinced. And why should I be? Fifty miles away, in an unreported city, on an unreported street unknown to the mediated world, in a dark cul de sac blacked out to MSM and social media (by design), and thus to the "statisticians" at large, a similar crime of police brutality has occurred, the victim being a poor White kid whacked out of his mind on drugs driving down the wrong side of the street. Maybe it was some Asian kid in the wrong place at the wrong time or some other person whose race is irrelevant. Or maybe not? I just don't know. All I know is the manipulators of mass perception selectively disseminate a slice of reality to me and others so I might understand the world in a certain way, and in the precise way they want me to understand it. And that picture inevitably excludes the poor White kid driving down the wrong side of the street while simultaneously amplifying the George Floyd stories. So my gut tells me the way the masses understand the George Floyd incident reflects an extremely distorted view of the way things are. If I were to speculate, I would say discrimination and prejudice based on poverty, socioeconomic status, and illicit crimes (e.g., drugs and alcohol) are definitely to blame, but not necessarily race, which just seems to be a contrived narrative. Or so it seems to me. Admittedly, these judgments may be founded on naivety or on a lack of personal experience, but it nonetheless seems as if I'm ingesting a production the puppeteers are pushing for some reason. As a result, true or not, I just can't trust the narrative.




I think many people whose ancestors and families have prospered, or have been favored, by the engrained systemic preference that has been instituted by their nations, are upset that they are living in these karmic times. That they have to be the ones to deal with the shift in narrative and material well-being.

I don't think that they necessarily feel like that is fair and that is fair. To resent the times we live in and the situations that we are born into is a hard one, and it makes you want to not believe in such things as karma or fate or destiny. Why does this have to be happening to me and my children? Why can't we go back to when times were better?

Better for whom?



I agree. Boomerang social justice is a hard pill to swallow when the victim isn't the explicit subject of the weapon in motion, and especially in a culture that--once upon a time--embraced rugged individualism over taking individuals to trial for the sins of the father. But on a deeper level--to address the better for whom question---is also an issue the manipulators of mass perception have crafted extremely well. They have somehow convinced an entire swath of the political spectrum, mostly to the left of center, to conflate liberty, freedom, and prosperity (and even world peace) with White Supremacy and racism. That is quite a trick. Make America Great Again, from the perspective of this worldview, equates to Make America Pre-Jim Crow Again, back to a racist (and sexist) time dominated by White Males. In other words, if America embraces liberty, freedom, and prosperity--and ultimately to government by and for the people, it's really embracing a pernicious and regressive ideology characteristic of its racist roots, to a government by and for Racist/Sexist White Males. What? Really? We can't embrace liberty, freedom, and prosperity--and government by and for the people--without embracing racism? The two are inexorably entwined? Apparently so. Thus, any politician who dares speak with nostalgia to a time of America's pre-globalist past (or at the least to a time when globalism didn't have as much a sway over its politics), to a time when America was for the most part a sovereign nation that prospered by the tenants of government by and for the people (as opposed to by and for multinational corporations, the military industrial complex, and psychopathic social engineers), is brutally mocked, demonized, and considered racist, by default. This is how an entire group of people were brainwashed with Trump Derangement Syndrome and manipulated to subscribe to the false reality that Trump is a bigot and racist. Say what you will of DJT, and he certainly has many personality shortcomings and flaws--narcissism and being played by Big Pharma being the most egregious--the former charges are unfounded and the product of mind-control manipulation to dissuade the plebs from embracing the politics of liberty, freedom, and prosperity. And, what I would argue, to dissuade them from embracing politics in the best interests of all people of all colors and persuasions. This is essentially a hypnotic ploy to trick the masses to reject government by, of, and for the people, i.e., by, of, and for all people. In my view, the left and the progenitors of mass perception have thus successfully veiled the best interests of people of all races by projecting a Hobbesian view of humanity on the masses. They have successfully convinced a great deal of folks that humans are ultimately wicked and evil and racist--especially white folks (who so happen to be the largest political bloc)--and therefore we plebs must not and cannot be free, allowed to prosper, or allowed to exercise our own judgement, lest we would destroy the planet and empower and embolden our White Supremacy tendencies and the racism inherent to our wicked past. Personally, I'm a don't-throw-the-baby-out-with-the-bath-water kind of thinker, but this is just my personal perspective and perhaps a debate for another thread....






The United States is under attack right now.
The enemies of the United States are fomenting racial hatred in people of color so they will be okay with attacking and hating white people.
This is happening right now all across the country.
This is what Scott Adams referred to when citing a pole done stating 47% of black people say it is not okay to be white.

Ok. Let me ask this, then. Do you believe that the "enemies of the United States" are non-white people? Do you think China is behind this? That would be the only non-white nation with power enough to consider such a path. Isn't China where the White Hats came out of? Isn't there a Nesara thread with the gold down in the Marianas trench and such things within which China is positioned as a global savior of some sort by some?



I don't think race or color has anything to do with enemies DNA is talking about. Race and skin color is irrelevant and largely a distraction for we plebs. IMHO. These enemies may not even be human.




As the polling side of things is confusing as well. Numerous graduate level classes in statistics have convinced me that Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain) was correct in his assessment that "There are lies, damn lies and statistics!"



100% spot on... The poll may not be accurate or reflective of reality. But for the same reason, it's hard for me to embrace anything these days that cite statistics. Especially if it's coming from the CDC or FDA :) We live in a post-modern world where truth and facts are subjective and agenda-driven, where one can advance any argument around any desired conclusion.






There is video after video showing black children beating white children and what's even more horrific is that the whites are getting beaten to the point of unconscious and they don't even fight back. They have been programmed by anti-white rhetoric to the point they don't even fight back. They don't even defend them selves.

Give me links. Let me see this evidence. You've mentioned this a few times now as some trend. It is not one that I see in the schools that I teach at nor one that I hear about in my national educator groups either. If this is 5, 10 videos or even more, that is still a drop in the bucket as far as population is concerned and these few videos may be being highlighted in order to get people to believe it is more widespread than it is.



That's just it. What is incidental evidence and what is a trend? Or objective reality? Especially if it falls outside one's personal experience as you aptly point out? Is it then but what the disseminators of mediated experience want to portray as a trend? It's hard to deny hatred toward White people is now sanctioned in society--and expressing these sentiments are now okay to say aloud--so it stands to reason one is going to experience it more. I've experienced what DNA is talking about--and you have also shared your own experiences of racism. So on the flip side, your experiences of racism may be more complicated because it's not okay or culturally acceptable to embrace or express the kind of racism you've described. At present anyway, racism appears to be overt on end of the continuum and covert on the other. If, indeed, this continuum, as I've just described it, isn't largely contrived to begin with. I know one thing for sure. If what DNA describes is a trend it's certainly not meant to be, as someone as well-read and educated as yourself would surely be onto it without the need for further citation... And on the same token, if racism in general is a widespread social problem subconsciously entwined deep in the hearts and psyches of men and women (as opposed to just a tribalist proclivity of human nature that manifests mostly at the periphery of society) it's certainly meant to be* , and far more than what manifests merely at the periphery.... *passive voice by deliberation

These are big questions. And provocative ones. I don't claim to have all the answers...

[DNA]

I believe Dr. King was correct when he said that people shouldn't be judged by the color of the skin, but by the content of their character. I also believe that he was the last true (spiritually inclined) leader America ever had. He was taken out because the people in power feared that he could actually unite all people, both black and white. He truly embodied Christ-ian values, values about love and compassion. That's what they actually fear, unity. Unity between all people. Imagine truly united people in the united states, now wouldn't that be a sight. How could such people be controlled and enslaved?


100% true. Yes!

Not to rain on your parades here but recent FBI released tapes show MLK to have had dozens of affairs and at least once to have laughed during a forced rape while being recorded by the FBI. (
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[QUOTE=Mark;1546450] Ok. Let me ask this, then. Do you believe that the "enemies of the United States" are non-white people? Do you think China is behind this? That would be the only non-white nation with power enough to consider such a path. Isn't China where the White Hats came out of? Isn't there a Nesara thread with the gold down in the Marianas trench and such things within which China is positioned as a global savior of some sort by some?

I think it's Japan if you're referring to the Ben Fulford thing. I'm not, but I would hardly think you need any kind of primer for any of this being a long standing member of this forum.
You really should familiarize yourself with the committee of 300 by Dr. John Coleman. It's a freaking must. This is the source material that Alex Jones and David Icke have been expanding on ever since it's publication in 1992. Coleman really was
ahead of his time. If you read his book he sounds like Nastradamus.
Here is the video at Rumble, I had trouble imbedding.
https://rumble.com/v2buapw-dr.-john-coleman-committee-of-300-olympians-runs-america-tavistock-club-of-.html


Give me links. Let me see this evidence. You've mentioned this a few times now as some trend. It is not one that I see in the schools that I teach at nor one that I hear about in my national educator groups either. If this is 5, 10 videos or even more, that is still a drop in the bucket as far as population is concerned and these few videos may be being highlighted in order to get people to believe it is more widespread than it is.

I will say this. They are out there. I've seen them. And this is going to sound like an excuse but here it goes.
I can source them, but they get buried. I'm of the opinion they get buried due to the algorythm Google uses being well, being owned and operated by the CIA.
Same thing with Youtube, they will show white on black crimes but when it comes to the other way around it's incredibly difficult to find.
I've found them as being used on various shows and channels that the hosts of are using this black on white violence to fan the flames of hate in ways I do not wish to, as such I do not wish to source them.

Not a very credible reply I know. But there you go for new until I find better search parameters. And by and large this is probably a tit for tat that will bring us no where.


I teach in a school that is primarily Hispanic, then white, with a small percentage of black students, less than 5%. I've seen and heard nothing to this effect here from my white students.

That would make sense then.



I've noticed a dramatic uptick in violence, period.

Black on black, black on white, white on white, people on people.

I believe it has to do with the solar and cosmic energy increase in our troposphere, what we call the Schumann Resonance. That energetic increase is making us ALL frenetic, ALL of us are feeling cagey, on edge, about to burst at any provocation. And that is what is happening. I see it on the highways as I drive a lot, people drive a lot more dangerously and crazy than they did a year ago, two years ago.

The majority of drivers follow the rules of the road, but there has been a noticeable increase in the percentage of those who don't anymore, they don't seem to give a damn and will do anything on the road.

Could there also be an element of race in this violence for some people? Of course. But unless you've got an overwhelming number of videos depicting specifically racialized violence, my thoughts on this are pretty well-formed by the evidence that I've accrued in my studies of space weather, LaViolette's super-wave and SuspiciousObserver's macronova cycle.

I think we are like lab rats having social experiments performed on us.
I don't think it's Solar activity.
I think it's the music.
I think it's the movies.
I think it's the TV, the media, the advertising.



I was raised in the church. My parents were black Baptists from the south, which is very different from being Southern Baptist. I went to church every Sunday. Not just 11:00 service, but Sunday School as well. I was in the choirs of whatever churches we went to. Went to vacation bible school in the summers. Bible camps. We went to the black Baptist Church in the town I was born in when my father was between duty stations, or we were close enough to a black community off-base in the cities we lived in and around.

But otherwise, we went to church on the Air Force bases that my father was stationed at. Everywhere across the world that he took us.

And it was in these military churches, back in the 80s, that I was taught about the Rapture and the Tribulation, the Anti-Christ, Christ's Return, the 1000 year Reign when the devil would be locked into the Pit, then released again, then the Final Judgement.

So I am, personally and foundationally, Christian.

You are very lucky to have had such a cohesive and wonderful family. Your father sounds like he was a wonderful man.


And yet, I am integrally a Mystic, because of my own, personal revelations of spirit. This broadens my understanding to encompass all religious traditions. My experience as a Christian Mystic helps me to understand that Buddhists have some things right, as do Hindus, as do Muslims, as do those who practice indigenous religions. The underlying spiritual basis of the world is the same. How we approach it and integrate it within our lives is where the cultural and societal environmental and linguistic differences come into play.

I agree very much with your stance on these matters. I grew up pretty much without religion. I bounced around in so far as beliefs. I found a few practical methods of meditation and through that search formed a belief system very personal and I do not push it on others nor do I feel the need to. Probably something along the lines of a Gnostic/Taoist.

But then I had kids. And I had to decide how to approach God from the point of view of leading a household.
My views take time, energy and worth with all to come to the conclusions of. My personal views are not those to lead a family. One needs to have a readily applicable solution. So I embrace Christianity.

And then came the elite.
Then came Maria Abromovich and her spirit cooking.

You should read Herve's thread on Sue Arrigo.

I was on the fence about this stuff being real or not. Adrenochrome, satanism, child sacrifice. I suppose I refused to fully believe it until the Julianne Assange wikileaks drops. Then came the emails between Hillary and John Podesta.
I was shocked. I went into a shell. I was depressed for weeks.
It validated everything Sue Arrigo had said in 2007.

Bohemian Grove and Stanley Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut.

Yeah, this stuff is real.
And with that.
With knowing that the elite of our country practice human sacrifice and satanism and pedophilia.
One needs to have beliefs and convictions one can share with one's community.
The new testament and Jesus's teachings are just good common sense.
And if the evil elite of the world can be conceptualized as satanists willing to do what they do then at the very least I can take the opposite stance and be in league with the greatest number of people who would also be in opposition to everything the elite are. I'm a Christian. I live my life according to Christianity.




I share this background to tell you that I get it and know where you're coming from and see the attack that you are speaking of as one on the systemic orthodoxy of the United States as it has been formulated over centuries now.

Absolutely



This is so and the nature and purpose of the world systems and instutitions, as well as many nations' material culture, which concentrates on the political and economic machinations of production and industry.

BUT.

GOD, in this case, as the Creative Function of the Multiverse and not Yldberoth the blind, crazy god, not Lucifer, Anu, Marduk, Enlil, Zeus, Odin, Oldumare, Quetzlcoatl or any of the other pretenders to the throne, is Supreme and we cannot envison or conceive of what is so far beyond our ken as to be Mystery itself.

Indeed! I Grok.
What is beyond the Tonal! What is beyond that which is not in our comprehension and yet is still part of our being.

If you ever get a chance to look into The Urantia book, there is a contrivance known as The Personal Adjuster. It is by and large synonymous with Castaneda's WILL.
It is a portion of the Naguel, it is a portion of God that is held in respect and awe by every Angel in the pantheon of the Universe and it's purpose is to eventually unite with the specific human it is meant for, and when that happens the human combusts with a fire from within.

It draws many parallels in the reading of what Don Juan was like when possessed by the force of WILL.

Sorry for that sidebar.

[Mark]

What does bother me, though, are the objectives and degree to which narratives around this phenomenon are spun, which ultimately influences and forms all our judgements about the reality undergirding race relations, police brutality, and racism in general.

Isn't that human nature, though, to a large extent? Ever play the telephone game? Where you stand in a line and whisper something in someone's ear, then they whisper it into the ear of the person next to them and so on until it gets to the end of the line and the tale that's told by that last person is not the same as the original story?

Any phenomenon, any story has to get through the filter of human perception, first. And now, our human perception has another, artificial filter we call the media. It's always been there to some degree. The African Griots, who told the stories of the people, passed down from generation to generation. Sure, they were supposed to memorize the stories exactly to make sure there was fidelity in the telling of the tales, but there must have been some loss of accuracy over the centuries and millennia. The mythmakers and tellers of every people around the world. Our first Soap Operas were the Aristocrats and Royals of the ancient civilizations, right? The normal people at the bottom of the pyramid toiled during the day and went to the pub in the evening to hear the latest exploits of the rich and famous, what did Pharoah Khufu do today? What?! He wants to build a tomb inside that ancient death machine on the plateau??? He better watch out, he'll wake up the equally ancient Sphinx and we're all in trouble!

Crazy elites, there’s a conspiracy to kill us all!

Tavistok, MKUltra, Illuminati machinations to control the world and implement a New World Order, a Great Reset in the face of natural cycles that promise disaster for living generations, but wait, haven't all generations in some form or another thought that their times were the end times? What makes our times any different?

We can list the ways. Relations between different groups, no matter the makeup if there are in-group cultural differences, always include friction and drama, as those groups meet and merge, their cultures coalescing and diverging, each influencing the other as has always happened all around the world since time immemorial. We talk about those differences, highlight them and mythologize them over time, as we see happening in the mainstream media, to the tune of the Modern Electronic Griots, programmed by Project Monarch to spew the party line of the highest power of the times, for the purpose of remaining the highest and accruing all power unto itself.


All I know is the manipulators of mass perception selectively disseminate a slice of reality to me and others so I might understand the world in a certain way, and in the precise way they want me to understand it.

The first major motion picture to come out of Hollywood, the Blockbuster of its time was The Birth of a Nation (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/birth_of_a_nation). It highlighted a certain reality in America that had been almost 250 years in the making by that time. White dominance over all others in the nation. 100 years later, almost 350 years after slavery was racialized, we see President Obama, Globalism, Illuminati plans, ancient in conception coming to fruition, a prophecy that the world will change met in every culture the world across.

When the world changes, it seems it does not play around and the dominant narratives shift. What is our dominant narrative? Is it shifting? It is indeed. It makes sense that the opposite of what has been the norm occurs and the world seems upside down to many. Questions abound and accrue about what is going on, whose behind it, we must fight it, who do we fight, where is the enemy?

The enemy seems to be time. And the reality that change is the norm as is the evolution and consolidation of cultures to shift into different forms, as Homo Sapiens Sapiens has since our earliest evolutionary periods, during the times when Denisovans, Neanderthals, unknown hominid cousins in Africa, Homo Florensensis down in Southeast Asia and other unknown influences, perhaps otherworldly in nature, mixed and matched us all to create this version, which is ever-changing and evolving as well, in who knows what direction these days, with all of the scientific advances in genetic modification, all these animals around that must be so tempting to those holding the keys to the genetic kingdom in their psychopathic paws.

The more things change, the more things say the same. We comport to the Controllers' narratives when we don't have one of our own. The way they want us to understand the world seems to be a generalized reflection of shifts in population and in environment that they seem to have some control over, while we have none and don't even officially know as a collective that such control is even possible. Yet, beyond them, the shifts are at an even higher level and we are in times when these things must be.

I believe there is still space for other narratives to thrive, though, and they will, because diversity is key and multiple modalities of living and evolving have always existed. These times will be no different. Those who don't want to believe what is going on will believe what they will, assign blame and enemy status to those they must and live how they will for as long as they can.

That, also, seems to be an ancient pattern for our greater human family.



They have somehow convinced an entire swath of the political spectrum, mostly to the left of center, to conflate liberty, freedom, and prosperity (and even world peace) with White Supremacy and racism. That is quite a trick.

Is it, really?

Hasn't it always been conflated since the beginnings of this nation?

Really?


In other words, if America embraces liberty, freedom, and prosperity--and ultimately to government by and for the people, it's really embracing a pernicious and regressive ideology characteristic of its racist roots, to a government by and for Racist/Sexist White Males.

I don't think this is actually so. The problem is, though, that perspective is institutionalized. And always has been. Many people believe it needs to shift as the population demographics shift as well. To go down the road to stop that would be to embrace supremacy philosophies that have not worked out well for those who've attempted them.



Really? We can't embrace liberty, freedom, and prosperity--and government by and for the people--without embracing racism?

We can. And we must.


They have successfully convinced a great deal of folks that humans are ultimately wicked and evil and racist--especially white folks (who so happen to be the largest political bloc)--and therefore we plebs must not and cannot be free, allowed to prosper, or allowed to exercise our own judgement, lest we would destroy the planet and empower and embolden our White Supremacy tendencies and the racism inherent to our wicked past. Personally, I'm a don't-throw-the-baby-out-with-the-bath-water kind of thinker, but this is just my personal perspective and perhaps a debate for another thread....

I agree with the wicked and evil part. A lot of that comes from our Judeo-Christian national religious background and the atheist bent that comes with Liberalism and Scientism. Education kind of foments that understanding of the world through Modern Environmentalism and a zero-sum philosophy. And educated people are apparently now the majority of those called Liberal who vote Democrat these days. Here's a quote from someone who had inside information, Isaac Asimov: “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."

I think that reality though, is more widespread than just the United States. Or, as it pertains to people of other persuasions, be they cultural, ethnic or racial.

Also, more than just white people want and need to be free, right? We all want that, yes? And is the past really the past when it is still with us? The world has changed a lot, it is true, but there is a lot of resentment and pushback against people of color in a lot of different ways right now. Political and economic retrenchment is well underway, so this idea that whites are somehow being deprived of rights and are no longer the preferred group, inheritors of the privilege of empire, is a non-starter for anyone who looks at the economics and also the cultural milieu as well.


I don't think race or color has anything to do with enemies DNA is talking about. Race and skin color is irrelevant and largely a distraction for we plebs. IMHO. These enemies may not even be human.

Absolutely. With an understanding that 'human' has a very limited connotation in this regard, as those entities have probably been here longer than we have in our current form, and have mixed their dna with ours to greater and lesser extents over a long period of time.


The poll may not be accurate or reflective of reality. But for the same reason, it's hard for me to embrace anything these days that cite statistics. Especially if it's coming from the CDC or FDA :) We live in a post-modern world where truth and facts are subjective and agenda-driven, where one can advance any argument around any desired conclusion.

Oh my, we live in a post-modern world? You're into Critical Theory, T Smith? Are those big T "Truths" or little t? Big F "Facts" or little f?


It's hard to deny hatred toward White people is now sanctioned in society--and expressing these sentiments are now okay to say aloud--so it stands to reason one is going to experience it more. I've experienced what DNA is talking about--and you have also shared your own experiences of racism. So on the flip side, your experiences of racism may be more complicated because it's not okay or culturally acceptable to embrace or express the kind of racism you've described. At present anyway, racism appears to be overt on end of the continuum and covert on the other. If, indeed, this continuum, as I've just described it, isn't largely contrived to begin with. I know one thing for sure. If what DNA describes is a trend it's certainly not meant to be, as someone as well-read and educated as yourself would surely be onto it without the need for further citation... And on the same token, if racism in general is a widespread social problem subconsciously entwined deep in the hearts and psyches of men and women (as opposed to just a tribalist proclivity of human nature that manifests mostly at the periphery of society) it's certainly meant to be* , and far more than what manifests merely at the periphery.... *passive voice by deliberation

These are big questions. And provocative ones. I don't claim to have all the answers...

Much of the more extreme expressions of racism are indeed peripheral. The only caveat is that people more mainstreamed are influenced by those peripheries when they are fearful and it becomes a block of like-minded individuals and a herd response. It has been apparent after every, single advance people of color have made in this nation. Reconstruction after the Civil War, Integration after the Civil Rights era, Trump after Obama. A collective, majority-population attempt to return, to some degree, to what the world was before these major shifts.

But each time there has been push back, there has still been incremental change, those who have wished to do so have not been able to turn back the clock fully.

That seems to be the way of the world and how it works.

[Mark]

Couldn't open the MLK link you shared on my computer or phone. I was aware he'd cheated on his wife, but the 'forced rape' thing is new. What is the source?


You really should familiarize yourself with the committee of 300 by Dr. John Coleman.

Thank you, I will do so. I have read about them generally, I seem to recall, but can't remember anything in-depth. I will refamiliarize myself with the group.


I think we are like lab rats having social experiments performed on us.
I don't think it's Solar activity.
I think it's the music.
I think it's the movies.
I think it's the TV, the media, the advertising.

All of those are things we create. As we are being influenced by the influx of energies.


You are very lucky to have had such a cohesive and wonderful family. Your father sounds like he was a wonderful man.

I was indeed. I know the situation that I was raised in was idyllic in many ways. He sometimes apologizes to this day for raising me in such a sheltered environment, as he knows I am very sensitive. But all things are as they must be and I am who I am for a reason. I am, personally, very thankful for my life and know that the experiences I had are not the norm, which has given me a perspective that is also not the norm.

I have seen multiracial environments and relatively egalitarian work conditions work. So I know they can. Wonderfully.


I agree very much with your stance on these matters. I grew up pretty much without religion. I bounced around in so far as beliefs. I found a few practical methods of meditation and through that search formed a belief system very personal and I do not push it on others nor do I feel the need to. Probably something along the lines of a Gnostic/Taoist.

Yep. I totally get that. Before I found out in recent years that there is a strong tradition of Western, Christian Mystics, a good number of whom were burned at the stake or otherwise killed lol, I considered myself more Taoist. But Jesus was a mystic, as were the Gnostics. So I don't find that lived reality to be inimical to the Christian tradition, as it is its esoteric core, rather than the exoteric, rote storytelling that passes for spiritual immersion these days in most churches.


But then I had kids. And I had to decide how to approach God from the point of view of leading a household.
My views take time, energy and worth with all to come to the conclusions of. My personal views are not those to lead a family. One needs to have a readily applicable solution. So I embrace Christianity.

Yes. I get that and agree, when it comes to raising children. They have to have a foundation. But ... they are not so ignorant as to not recognize universal truths when they hear and see them. And, the children who've been coming in for the past 20+ years are as Dolores Cannon has described them and primed for this new reality.


And then came the elite.
Then came Maria Abromovich and her spirit cooking.

I find Pizzagate quite convincing, yes. The thing was, most people didn't look at the evidence. They just listened to the Pundits and trusted their blanket derision as factual.


I was on the fence about this stuff being real or not. Adrenochrome, satanism, child sacrifice. I suppose I refused to fully believe it until the Julianne Assange wikileaks drops. Then came the emails between Hillary and John Podesta.
I was shocked. I went into a shell. I was depressed for weeks.
It validated everything Sue Arrigo had said in 2007.

I read those emails also. Saw the code words. Examined the symbols they use to identify themselves to each other.


Bohemian Grove and Stanley Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut.

Yeah, this stuff is real.
And with that.
With knowing that the elite of our country practice human sacrifice and satanism and pedophilia.

Cathy O'Brien, as I mentioned previously, laid it all out clearly and succinctly. We know who they are and what they do and they are beyond political party.


One needs to have beliefs and convictions one can share with one's community.
The new testament and Jesus's teachings are just good common sense.
And if the evil elite of the world can be conceptualized as satanists willing to do what they do then at the very least I can take the opposite stance and be in league with the greatest number of people who would also be in opposition to everything the elite are. I'm a Christian. I live my life according to Christianity.

I do not disagree, as long as the precepts that Jesus lived by are the ones that are being followed. I do not know that is necessarily the case with what they call Christian Nationalism these days, or even Evangelicalism.


Indeed! I Grok.
What is beyond the Tonal! What is beyond that which is not in our comprehension and yet is still part of our being.

The Nagual. The Eagle, as Casteneda envisioned that remorseless, all-encompassing and rapacious predator that devours all souls, excepting those who have become self-realized by Stopping the World.


If you ever get a chance to look into The Urantia book, there is a contrivance known as The Personal Adjuster. It is by and large synonymous with Castaneda's WILL. It is a portion of the Naguel, it is a portion of God that is held in respect and awe by every Angel in the pantheon of the Universe and it's purpose is to eventually unite with the specific human it is meant for, and when that happens the human combusts with a fire from within.

It draws many parallels in the reading of what Don Juan was like when possessed by the force of WILL.

Sorry for that sidebar.

Good sidebar. I tried to read Urantia many years ago but found it a bit old school for my tastes. I would probably read it differently these days, as I know how influential it has been for so many people over quite a bit of time now. Thanks for that!

[Ewan]

You really should familiarize yourself with the committee of 300 by Dr. John Coleman.

Thank you, I will do so. I have read about them generally, I seem to recall, but can't remember anything in-depth. I will refamiliarize myself with the group.



Here you are Mark, a link to a video in our own Avalon Library.

https://avalonlibrary.net/The_Club_of_Rome_The_Committee_of_300_John_Coleman.mp4

[Mark]

Here you are Mark, a link to a video in our own Avalon Library.

Thank you so much, Sir! Checking it out now!

[Wind]

Not to rain on your parades here but recent FBI released tapes show MLK to have had dozens of affairs and at least once to have laughed during a forced rape while being recorded by the FBI.

The link doesn't work, but I've heard about that before and I wouldn't put any value on what FBI said (https://theconversation.com/j-edgar-hoovers-revenge-information-the-fbi-once-hoped-could-destroy-rev-martin-luther-king-jr-has-been-declassified-118026). So be careful when believing something, it just might be bs. Would you trust intel from CIA for that matter?

J Edgar Hoover was a very sick clown who got MLK, JFK and possibly Malcolm X killed too. FBI and CIA are responsible for so many atrocities. Does that mean that MLK would have been a perfect man? No, I don't think so and he himself knew his short-comings. Neither was Kennedy perfect and he had many failings, but then again politics is always a game where the good guys don't end up winning because the psychopaths and conmen more often rise to the top, it us almost a miracle to witness a good politicial leader, especially in US during this spiritual dark age which is now thankfully slowly ending. I don't know if MLK had any affairs, but if he did then that is between him and his Creator. I don't condone such actions if proven true. I certainly won't believe any slander from the likes of Hoover.

"The FBI’s attempt to discredit Martin Luther King Jr – new details of which are only just emerging some 55 years later – was a mammoth operation involving undercover informants, wiretapped phones and bugged hotel rooms.

J Edgar Hoover, the bureau’s notorious director, believed the material gathered by his agents in the Sixties exposed the civil rights leader as a “notorious liar” and “one of the lowest characters in the country”.

“At that time there was an ethic in the US that prominent men’s private affairs didn’t qualify as news. That was what also protected JFK.”

However, most of it never saw the light of day. In the end Hoover resorted to ordering an agent to send King the notorious “suicide letter” which threatened to expose his “filthy, abnormal” behaviour and urged him to kill himself before Christmas.

The letter was sent anonymously by one of Hoover's deputies, posing as a disaffected activist, in the weeks before King received for the Nobel Peace Price in December 1964.

By that time, King had become globally famous as the symbolic leader of the American civil rights movement after spearheading nonviolent demonstrations such as the year-long Montgomery bus boycott and the 1963 campaign of sit-ins and marches in Birmingham in protest over racial segregation in the Alabama cities."


Targeting black activism

As director of the FBI from 1924-72, J. Edgar Hoover had an outsized influence on the organization. The FBI operated within the Department of Justice and was tasked with investigating violations of federal law and developing intelligence on foreign agents operating on U.S. soil.

At various points in the 20th century, both Congress and the president instructed the FBI to investigate not just foreign agents but also “radicals” and “subversives.” Hoover interpreted that mandate to also develop what the FBI called “racial intelligence.”

From the 1910s to the 1970s, the FBI treated civil rights activists in general, and African American activists in particular, as either disloyal “subversives” or “dupes” of foreign agents. The FBI’s predecessor, the Bureau of Investigation, sought to “compel black loyalty” during World War I and investigate “negro radicalism” in the 1920s.

In the 1940s and 1950s, the FBI amassed 140,000 pages of documents as part of its investigation of what it called “foreign inspired agitation among American Negroes.” That didn’t even include its files on individual black “subversives” such as civil rights activist Ella Baker, the renowned scholar W.E.B. Du Bois, and the singer and actor Paul Robeson.

And from the late 1930s through the 1970s, the FBI and the House Un-American Activities Committee, through official reports like “The American Negro and the Communist Party,” popularized the notion among conservatives that communists were always trying to use the struggle against racial segregation as a “front” for the “subversion” of individual American liberty.

Focus on King

As Martin Luther King ascended in prominence in the late 1950s and 1960s, it was inevitable that the FBI would investigate him, like it did every other civil rights movement activist, for what it called “communist influence in racial matters.”

King did consult with former members of the Communist Party, among many others. One of his advisers – Stanley Levison – maintained closer ties to the party than he admitted to King, and the FBI knew it.

But it was the civil rights movement’s growing influence that inspired Hoover to become increasingly alarmed about these connections.

Two days after King delivered his famous “I Have a Dream” speech at the 1963 March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom, William Sullivan, the FBI’s director of intelligence, famously responded by writing, “We must mark him now, if we have not done so before, as the most dangerous Negro of the future in this Nation from the standpoint of communism, the Negro and national security.”

In late 1963, FBI leaders met to discuss ways of “neutralizing King as an effective Negro leader and developing evidence concerning King’s continued dependence on communists for guidance and direction.”

One of those ways for “developing evidence” involved bugging hotel rooms and other places to record King’s conversations with colleagues.

The recordings did not provide evidence of “communist influence” on the civil rights movement. Instead, they recorded King’s extramarital affairs. FBI officials, who already planned to “neutralize” King before they recorded his infidelities, shifted the rationale for their campaign to “morality” without missing a beat.

‘Obscene file’

Perhaps surprising to a 21st century reader, policing sexuality had long been part of the FBI’s mission.

The agency had a history of selectively enforcing the Mann Act, the 1910 law that aimed to stem interstate transport of “any woman or girl for the purpose of prostitution or debauchery, or for any other immoral purpose.” The FBI did this by prosecuting African American men for traveling across state lines with white women. Its “sex deviates” investigation from 1951 through the 1970s produced over 300,000 pages of files as part of what one historian has called “a war on gays.”

FBI agents regularly collected “obscene” materials as part of their investigations, which were then deposited in an “Obscene File” that contained thousands of books, photographs and films by the mid-1960s.

And longtime FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover’s “Personal and Confidential” files contained what Attorney General Edward Levi described to Congress in 1975 as 48 folders on “public figures and prominent persons… Presidents, executive branch employees and 17 individuals who were members of Congress.”

It wasn’t clear, however, how the FBI could circulate information about King’s affairs without also raising questions as to why the FBI was bugging King’s hotel rooms in the first place. When FBI Assistant Director Courtney Evans recommended in September 1964 that the tapes be destroyed, Hoover overruled him.

Instead, in late 1964, following the passage of the Civil Rights Act and King’s award of the Nobel Peace Prize, the FBI sent excerpts of the recordings to King’s wife, Coretta, along with a letter that encouraged King to commit suicide to avoid having exposure of his extramarital affairs ruin his life.

The stunt failed. In his autobiography, civil rights leader Andrew Young described his and Coretta and Martin Luther King’s responses to the tape that accompanied what he called the “sick letter”: “It was a very poor quality recording. … There was no question in our minds that this scurrilous material was coming from the FBI … few people had the capability of bugging hotel rooms except the FBI.”

Undeterred, the FBI continued to bug King’s hotel rooms from 1965 to 1968, and occasionally circulated memos to the attorney general about the results of the recordings, including both political and sexual topics.

But the FBI didn’t release the tapes themselves, because doing so may have generated the same suspicions raised by the one sent to King.

Context matters

The preservation of the FBI’s tapes so that they could someday come to light was a political decision made through acts of omission.

When J. Edgar Hoover died in 1972, his secretary Helen Gandy destroyed the FBI’s “Personal and Confidential” files on public officials and celebrities. At the same time, according to Athan Theoharis’ “The FBI: A Comprehensive Reference Guide,” Acting Director Mark Felt incorporated the Bureau’s “Official and Confidential” files into the FBI’s central records system, subject to the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests. Files on King’s private life were placed in this latter set of records rather than destroyed, and some were transferred to the National Archives in 2005.

Litigation by Bernard Lee from King’s Southern Christian Leadership Conference sought to compel destruction of the recordings and transcripts. But the judge in the case, John Lewis Smith Jr., rejected the request, and instead ordered them sealed for 50 years until 2027.

People will rightly debate the trustworthiness of FBI sources, and Garrow’s interpretation of them. No figure, no matter how revered, should be immune from scrutiny over their potential support for violence against women.

But those weighing the evidence and its veracity should not forget that the tapes being used to facilitate this discussion were created and preserved with the goal of destroying Martin Luther King’s reputation. The FBI’s intent was to demoralize and fragment the coalition of supporters King brought together in his life, the people who find common purpose by honoring his memory.

In this respect, revealing these materials could be considered “Hoover’s revenge.”

While we are at it, let's see how the "war against drugs" was just also a political tool against so called radicals, black people and eventually hippies. All seemingly dangerous people who are opposing the status quo of the US empire, or in reality the dominance of the military industrial complex. The system always has to have the dangerous boogeymen opposing it.

As Mark said later it was the Muslims. Then the Chinese. There's always a patsy (https://youtu.be/sbR6vHXD1j0) to be found!

Do you realize who else used that card? It was the jews!

Now there's a rhetoric of anti-semitism rising in America too and Klanye wasn't helping with that at all... Der ewige Jude.

Some of these tactics appeal very strongly to the base human instincts and the root chakra, which is based on survival, fear and separation when imbalanced. My tribe, your tribe, othering. "Us vs them". Let the hate or love flow? Every man makes that decision for himself.


How a racist hate-monger masterminded America’s War on Drugs (https://timeline.com/harry-anslinger-racist-war-on-drugs-prison-industrial-complex-fb5cbc281189)

In 1931, Henry Smith Williams walked into Harry Anslinger’s Washington, D.C., office to plead for his brother’s life. Anslinger and his agents had locked up every drug user they could find, including Williams’s brother, Edgar. Williams was a doctor and had written extensively on the need for humane treatment of addicts. He had spoken vehemently against Anslinger’s brutal tactics, but, confronted by the man himself — slicked back black hair, with a falcon-like visage, a thick neck, and an imposing frame — Williams was suddenly deflated. He half-heartedly made a few points about his brother not deserving such treatment; then he left. After he was out the door, Anslinger mocked him, calling him hysterical. “Doctors,” he said knowingly, “cannot treat addicts even if they wish to.” He called instead for “tough judges not afraid to throw killer-pushers into prison and throw away the key.”

With this unforgiving mentality, Anslinger ruled over the Federal Narcotics Bureau (a precursor to the DEA) for more than three decades — a formative period that shaped the United States’ drug policy for years to come. As John C. McWilliams explained in his book about Anslinger, The Protectors, “Anslinger was the Federal Bureau of Narcotics.” During this time, he implemented stringent drug laws and unreasonably long prison sentences that would give rise to America’s prison-industrial complex. Because of Anslinger, millions of lives were swept up in the drug war’s dragnet, if they weren’t outright ended. But Anslinger’s wasn’t so much a war on drugs as it was a war on culture, an attempt to squelch the radical freedom of the Jazz Age for people of color. Anslinger was a xenophobe with no capacity for intellectual nuance, and his racist views informed his work to devastating effect. But he couldn’t have done it, nor reigned as long as he did, without a cast of complicit politicians who shared his bigoted vision for what America should be.

Anslinger’s zeal for law and order manifested early. He was born in Altoona, Pennsylvania, in 1892 to Swiss German parents. His father struggled to find work as a barber and got hired by the Pennsylvania Railroad, which was where Anslinger got his first job in the eighth grade. He eventually rose through the ranks by investigating wrongful death claims. His work was characterized by a distaste for anything extrajudicial, and a nose for fraud. This attitude proved useful when he pivoted to Prohibition enforcement. In the early 1920s, he worked for the government, chasing rum runners in the Bahamas. In 1930, he was appointed to helm the newly minted Federal Bureau of Narcotics by President Hoover. An astute judge of Washington’s ways, he quickly aligned himself with influential politicians, Washington insiders, and the pharmaceutical industry, whose support saw him through a series of scandals in the coming years. Congressman John Cochran of Missouri praised him, saying he “deserved a medal of honor.”

During the early parts of his career, Anslinger seemed little concerned about marijuana, known by most as cannabis. But when Prohibition ended, it looked as though Anslinger might be out of a job, so he sought a new threat to the American way, essentially manufacturing a drug war. As Johann Hari explains in his book Chasing the Scream: The First and Last Days of the War on Drugs, Anslinger’s office was focused on cocaine and heroin, but there were relatively small numbers of users. In order to ensure a promising future for his bureau, “he needed more,” Hari writes. Marijuana was Anslinger’s golden ticket. He used his office to trumpet the association between weed and violence, so that it could be criminalized. “You smoke a joint and you’re likely to kill your brother,” he was known to have said. McWilliams explains that in this effort, “Anslinger appealed to many organizations whose members were predominantly white Protestant.”

From the beginning, Anslinger conflated drug use, race, and music. “Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men,” he was quoted as saying. “There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the U.S., and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others.”

Over the coming years, Anslinger would have a decisive hand in all of the country’s drug legislation, including the Boggs Act of 1951, which required mandatory sentencing and various state laws further criminalizing drug use. According to McWilliams, Anslinger was considered the preeminent expert on drugs in America. He remained at the helm of the Federal Narcotics Bureau until the Kennedy administration, but his ideas were swiftly adopted by successive administrations — always disproportionately to the detriment of people of color.

In 1971, Nixon declared his “war on drugs.” His aide and Watergate co-conspirator John Ehrlichman later revealed the effort’s nefarious motivations in Harper’s:

The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people … We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities.

During the eighties, Nancy Reagan’s “Just Say No” campaign was paired with race-based media hysteria about crack. Over the course of the next 20 years, the number of drug offenders in U.S. prisons multiplied twelvefold. This draconian mantle was picked up by George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton and remained the status quo until Barack Obama, who began pardoning or commuting drug offenders’ sentences and approaching the opioid crisis as a public health issue rather than a carceral one. But with the election of Donald Trump and his appointment of Jeff Sessions as attorney general, Anslinger’s legacy appears alive and well. This administration has attempted to block the legalization and decriminalization of marijuana, urged police to be tough on drug crime, and called for harsher sentencing. As Sessions said in 2016, “Good people don’t smoke marijuana.”

[T Smith]

Isn't that human nature, though, to a large extent? Ever play the telephone game? Where you stand in a line and whisper something in someone's ear, then they whisper it into the ear of the person next to them and so on until it gets to the end of the line and the tale that's told by that last person is not the same as the original story?

Any phenomenon, any story has to get through the filter of human perception, first. And now, our human perception has another, artificial filter we call the media.



Of course. But I’m speaking almost entirely to your second point, to the artificial filter called media, and, by extension, all institutions of mediated experience, including higher education.

Take our telephone game analogy. Let’s jot down a fairly complex, yet simple parable, one with times, places, dates, people. A paragraph or two. Let’s say our parable has a specific meaning, granting for subjective interpretation. In our experiment we will ask the first person to read and whisper the paragraph word for word into the ear of the next, and that person in turn will do the same to next person, and so on. All things being equal, let’s assume every detail, time, place, event, etc., is all critically essential to retaining the original meaning. At the end of our experiment we will ask the last person in queue to recite the parable.

Sure, we’re all going to get a chuckle or two given a live demonstration of how information becomes distorted and skewed as it passes through the filter of human perception. That is human nature, but also an organic process and all fairly innocent.

Now, let’s do our same experiment, except this time we pass the written words to a middle man to edit before the middle man hands to next person, who reads and recites the edited composition into the ear of the next. Suppose the middle man, with a specific agenda, takes it upon himself to censor critically essential words, or even redact entire sentences, or worse, insert his own words and sentences into the composition with the deliberated objective to alter meaning. Perhaps he wants to fashion a specific meaning, one that will suit his ends to the detriment of the players. Thus the middle man tweaks the composition accordingly each time the new player passes him the recital. The point is, this dynamic is no longer innocent; it is not organic. It is pernicious.

Now:

Suppose the middle man not only has an agenda, but is also an adept social engineer who can fashion whatever reality he wants at the end of the queue, as an artist with a paint brush. And yes, this is an art form…. Suppose the middleman’s craft is done largely unbeknownst to those who may think they understand reality or, worse, believe they are “in the know” because of higher education or because of other subtle influences of the artist’s brush.

Goethe’s famous quote comes to mind here, “…none are more hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free…”




Crazy elites, there’s a conspiracy to kill us all! ….but wait, haven't all generations in some form or another thought that their times were the end times? What makes our times any different?



Fair enough. But why do we accept this? A society run by elites who want to kill us? What? Shouldn’t we humans, as a unified race, strive to govern ourselves and speak out against any societal structure organized otherwise? Or, if that society is throwing my tribe some crumbs, or serving my interests in some way (perhaps at the expense of others), or if it appears to be bettering my narrative, one that serves my identity, best not rock the boat? (This observation goes for all colors and creeds BTW—I’m not just pointing at one group in particular, even those who openly embrace identity politics, or oddly embrace zero-sum only when they are are in bed with the positive integer). It’s always perplexing to me that those who fancy themselves the most progressive in society also fall back on, “cuz it’s just the way it is and always has been!” when they see no other use for “progress” to further their cause. This seems nothing but a reflection of interest-group politics to me. And, giving the benefit of the doubt, if those groups do embrace progressive values, then they’re under the influence of an interesting case of cognitive dissonance, IMO.




When the world changes, it seems it does not play around and the dominant narratives shift. What is our dominant narrative? Is it shifting? It is indeed. It makes sense that the opposite of what has been the norm occurs and the world seems upside down to many. Questions abound and accrue about what is going on, whose behind it, we must fight it, who do we fight, where is the enemy?…

…I believe there is still space for other narratives to thrive, though, and they will, because diversity is key and multiple modalities of living and evolving have always existed. These times will be no different. Those who don't want to believe what is going on will believe what they will, assign blame and enemy status to those they must and live how they will for as long as they can.



There may be some who scramble to find an enemy in changing times. But if this is so, are these folks really the backward minded folks portrayed by Barack Obama “clinging to their guns and bibles?” Are all the questions abound, e.g., whose behind the change? Who do we fight to stop it? To whom do we assign the blame?, etc.—and, by implication—really the questions of the desperate, those in disbelief who will do what they must to preserve their White Privilege in a changing society? I imagine yes, there may be some gun-toting racists who would make BO proud to have uttered those words, and yes, I grant this dynamic does manifest in society, albeit at the periphery, and not just among blacks and whites but among all colors and creeds. The truth is, it is more likely folks in search of an enemy amid the rapidly evolving narrative you describe simply don’t fully comprehend what is happening. In other words, they are not aware enough to understand the narrative as it unfolds let alone articulate enough to defend themselves against a fabricated narrative pejoratively ascribed to them, one which renders them mute and fearful to talk about for fear of being labeled racist. Or, one that disqualifies them altogether from having an opinion or taking a stance because of their Whiteness. I, for one, have no problem at all with the shift—or in the changing narrative…I welcome it—but, in the name of individualism, not collectivism.

There it is. Nothing more, nothing less.





They have somehow convinced an entire swath of the political spectrum, mostly to the left of center, to conflate liberty, freedom, and prosperity (and even world peace) with White Supremacy and racism. That is quite a trick.

Is it, really?

Hasn't it always been conflated since the beginnings of this nation?

Really?



I wouldn’t necessarily conflate the two. I would categorize them as unlikely bedfellows, forced together by political compromise and socioeconomic necessity (not too unlike much of our politics today) and by the sociocultural consciousness of the era. So yes, there were sociocultural proclivities of White Supremacy and racism at the beginnings of the nation—there is no argument here—but just as I wouldn’t conflate, say, the practice of the chaste courtship with the ideals of freedom, liberty, and prosperity (but rather with sociocultural reality undergirding colonial America) I certainly wouldn’t conflate White Supremacy and/or racism with the ideals of freedom, liberty, and prosperity. In other words, racist proclivities were condoned by, but not inherent to, the founding nation. The institution of slavery, for example, was among the most divisive and contentious of debates among the Founding Fathers, and in fact was a potential roadblock to ratifying the Constitution itself, namely because of a powerful and influential political faction dependent on the slave trade forced a compromise. But there were other heavyweights of the Enlightenment, the anti-Federalists, e.g. Madison, King, Morris et. al, who well understood the inherent contradiction between liberty and freedom and the institution of slavery, and who spoke our fervently against the immorality and incompatibility of the institution of slavery with the ideals of liberty and freedom.





In other words, if America embraces liberty, freedom, and prosperity--and ultimately to government by and for the people, it's really embracing a pernicious and regressive ideology characteristic of its racist roots, to a government by and for Racist/Sexist White Males.

I don't think this is actually so. The problem is, though, that perspective is institutionalized. And always has been. Many people believe it needs to shift as the population demographics shift as well.



The perspective may be institutionalized, but it is ill-founded, IMO. And the changing narrative only seems to galvanize that perspective, which makes me suspect of its ulterior motives. There seems to be an underlying, hidden agenda to the narrative, something other than the advancement of positive change, which incessantly demonizes liberty and freedom (hmmm…) all in the name of change, which I suspect is but a big fat giant Trojan Horse. To which I say, beware of social engineers bearing gifts!




To go down the road to stop that would be to embrace supremacy philosophies that have not worked out well for those who've attempted them.



I’m puzzled by this. I’ve failed to infer any philosophy espousing ideals of supremacy from any of the writings by Enlightenment philosophers who inspired the Constitution, e.g. John Locke, Charles Montesquieu, Jean-Jacques Rousseau et. al. In fact, I’ve read all these philosophers specifically to the contrary. What am I missing? I suppose there may be supremacy tendencies among those who have embraced these philosophies and/or have been inspired by them in the formation of governments… But in the ideals themselves? Curious to hear your take on this; I’m truly puzzled. And as such, I find myself continually coming back to same conclusion. I’m lookin’ down at a baby emerged in some nasty, dirty bath water…. which way to go to sanitize the tub?




I agree with the wicked and evil part.



Hobbes vs. Rousseau comes to mind. To simplify, Hobbes believed human beings were evil and wicked creatures and must be forcibly compelled to be good, managed by a heavy hand, put under lock and key, chain and ball, etc., etc. Rousseau believed exactly the opposite. To him, human beings were innately good and pure, but corruptible to wicked and evil ways by government and society.

Most of us subscribe to a Hegelian dialectic of the two and believe human nature is best described as a synthesis of Hobbes and Rousseau.

But my question to those who lean toward the Hobbsian bent: if human beings are so evil and wicked and cannot be left to their own devices, who watches the evil watchers? Who manages them with a heavy hand? Who puts them under lock and key, chain and ball? For only the most evil and wicked among us, those will do virtually anything or whatever it takes to reach the top of the social order in order to rule over the rest of us, including lying, cheating, stealing, and killing for it; how is that we so readily abdicate our freedom and lives to but a handful of these wicked, wicked humans? How is it we allow the most evil and wicked among us to force the rest of us wicked subordinates to do their bidding? Hmmm…. sounds a lot like the world in which we live today. I’ll stick with Rousseau, thank you. The model man is the independent farmer, free of superiors, and self-governing…




Education kind of foments that understanding of the world through Modern Environmentalism and a zero-sum philosophy. And educated people are apparently now the majority of those called Liberal who vote Democrat these days.



This wasn’t always so. There was a time when the highly educated leaned conservative and voted Republican (https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/03/20/1-trends-in-party-affiliation-among-demographic-groups/). So to what do we attribute the shift? Better quality of education? Or lesser quality? Or just evolving societal attitudes in general? In any case, the underlying implication of your observation is the more ignorant one is, the more apt she or he is to vote Republican. But if this is true, the flip side must also be true. The more indoctrinated one is, the more apt she or he is to vote Democrat. I would argue higher education was co-oped by a collectivist Statist agenda with the advent of the Department of Education Organization Act (1979)—and I’m well aware many on the left applaud this as progress—so it comes as no surprise to me at all that shortly after the formation of the Department of Education the majority who call themselves Liberal began voting in lockstep with the Statist agenda. And of course, this may be preferable to the prior ethos of higher education that subtly perpetuated systemic racism and White Supremacy, as the argument goes, but either way, it seems to me the mediated experience of higher education churns out voters via programming and conditioning and teaches folks what to think as opposed to how to think.




Also, more than just white people want and need to be free, right? We all want that, yes?



I believe so, yes. I just think we are perhaps being lead down the garden path to get there? Hayek’s Road to Serfdom (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Road_to_Serfdom) comes to mind.





Oh my, we live in a post-modern world? You're into Critical Theory, T Smith? Are those big T "Truths" or little t? Big F "Facts" or little f?



LOL. I am hardly into Critical Theory—as I believe you are likely aware—but with no offense to those who subscribe, I’m certainly a critic of it. And I’d be a fool not to acknowledge the growing influence of postmodernism in every power center of society.




Much of the more extreme expressions of racism are indeed peripheral. The only caveat is that people more mainstreamed are influenced by those peripheries when they are fearful and it becomes a block of like-minded individuals and a herd response. It has been apparent after every, single advance people of color have made in this nation. Reconstruction after the Civil War, Integration after the Civil Rights era, Trump after Obama. A collective, majority-population attempt to return, to some degree, to what the world was before these major shifts.

But each time there has been push back, there has still been incremental change, those who have wished to do so have not been able to turn back the clock fully.

That seems to be the way of the world and how it works.

I’m again puzzled. We keep circling back to a bigger picture that renders the fearful masses, or by implication, the White majority, to a collective in frenzied pushback against the steady advances of people of color. Is this really true? Is this really what is happening here? I can't speak for others, but I’ve stated as clearly as I can, and many times, that indeed, I concur with the observation of pushback, but it is not against the advancement of any minority, group, or identity. I am in pushback against collectivism, which caresses the hands of all of the various interest groups--especially the downtrodden and marginalized--while promising hope and change, and ultimately, the emancipation from the "White Man" (FKA "The Man"). Nice trick!

Allow me to translate. ...We will emancipate all you poor and downtrodden and marginalized folk from the rich middle class by marginalizing you all! We promise to deliver equality, as you will all be equally enslaved and equally impoverished. The decimation of the middle class will not shift downward, as we promise to those of you who are enabling us, it will shift upward, to us... We are the magicians, the trickers, the snakes, erecting, as it were, a lose/lose for all or you who survive....

So yes. I’m in pushback against the deception of this charade, the collectivist trick, but not its message. I am in pushback against Agenda 30, Club of Rome, the Great Reset, etc., etc.--whether these boogymen have been in the imaginings of every past generation or not. And to expand on that, what I describe is by no means some elaborate theory of mine. I should be so creative ... :)

To some degree I do recognize the fact that the current model of tinker-mongering by social engineers has indeed contributed to the incremental change attributed to the positive advancement of the marginalized. This is good. That said, my disdain for the slogan FORWARD has nothing to do with the hands of time, nor in turning them back, as much as it does in preserving them from falling off the damn clock in the first place...

[Brenya]

Not to rain on your parades here but recent FBI released tapes show MLK to have had dozens of affairs and at least once to have laughed during a forced rape while being recorded by the FBI.

The link doesn't work, but I've heard about that before and I wouldn't put any value on what FBI said (https://theconversation.com/j-edgar-hoovers-revenge-information-the-fbi-once-hoped-could-destroy-rev-martin-luther-king-jr-has-been-declassified-118026). So be careful when believing something, it just might be bs. Would you trust intel from CIA for that matter?

J Edgar Hoover was a very sick clown who got MLK, JFK and possibly Malcolm X killed too. FBI and CIA are responsible for so many atrocities. Does that mean that MLK would have been a perfect man? No, I don't think so and he himself knew his short-comings. Neither was Kennedy perfect and he had many failings, but then again politics is always a game where the good guys don't end up winning because the psychopaths and conmen more often rise to the top, it almost a miracle if witness a good politicial leader, especially in US during this spiritual dark age which is now thankfully slowly ending. I don't know if MLK had any affairs, but if he did then that is between him and his Creator. I don't condone such actions if proven true. I certainly won't believe any slander from the likes of Hoover.

"The FBI’s attempt to discredit Martin Luther King Jr – new details of which are only just emerging some 55 years later – was a mammoth operation involving undercover informants, wiretapped phones and bugged hotel rooms.

J Edgar Hoover, the bureau’s notorious director, believed the material gathered by his agents in the Sixties exposed the civil rights leader as a “notorious liar” and “one of the lowest characters in the country”.

“At that time there was an ethic in the US that prominent men’s private affairs didn’t qualify as news. That was what also protected JFK.”

However, most of it never saw the light of day. In the end Hoover resorted to ordering an agent to send King the notorious “suicide letter” which threatened to expose his “filthy, abnormal” behaviour and urged him to kill himself before Christmas.

The letter was sent anonymously by one of Hoover's deputies, posing as a disaffected activist, in the weeks before King received for the Nobel Peace Price in December 1964.

By that time, King had become globally famous as the symbolic leader of the American civil rights movement after spearheading nonviolent demonstrations such as the year-long Montgomery bus boycott and the 1963 campaign of sit-ins and marches in Birmingham in protest over racial segregation in the Alabama cities."


Targeting black activism

As director of the FBI from 1924-72, J. Edgar Hoover had an outsized influence on the organization. The FBI operated within the Department of Justice and was tasked with investigating violations of federal law and developing intelligence on foreign agents operating on U.S. soil.

At various points in the 20th century, both Congress and the president instructed the FBI to investigate not just foreign agents but also “radicals” and “subversives.” Hoover interpreted that mandate to also develop what the FBI called “racial intelligence.”

From the 1910s to the 1970s, the FBI treated civil rights activists in general, and African American activists in particular, as either disloyal “subversives” or “dupes” of foreign agents. The FBI’s predecessor, the Bureau of Investigation, sought to “compel black loyalty” during World War I and investigate “negro radicalism” in the 1920s.

In the 1940s and 1950s, the FBI amassed 140,000 pages of documents as part of its investigation of what it called “foreign inspired agitation among American Negroes.” That didn’t even include its files on individual black “subversives” such as civil rights activist Ella Baker, the renowned scholar W.E.B. Du Bois, and the singer and actor Paul Robeson.

And from the late 1930s through the 1970s, the FBI and the House Un-American Activities Committee, through official reports like “The American Negro and the Communist Party,” popularized the notion among conservatives that communists were always trying to use the struggle against racial segregation as a “front” for the “subversion” of individual American liberty.

Focus on King

As Martin Luther King ascended in prominence in the late 1950s and 1960s, it was inevitable that the FBI would investigate him, like it did every other civil rights movement activist, for what it called “communist influence in racial matters.”

King did consult with former members of the Communist Party, among many others. One of his advisers – Stanley Levison – maintained closer ties to the party than he admitted to King, and the FBI knew it.

But it was the civil rights movement’s growing influence that inspired Hoover to become increasingly alarmed about these connections.

Two days after King delivered his famous “I Have a Dream” speech at the 1963 March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom, William Sullivan, the FBI’s director of intelligence, famously responded by writing, “We must mark him now, if we have not done so before, as the most dangerous Negro of the future in this Nation from the standpoint of communism, the Negro and national security.”

In late 1963, FBI leaders met to discuss ways of “neutralizing King as an effective Negro leader and developing evidence concerning King’s continued dependence on communists for guidance and direction.”

One of those ways for “developing evidence” involved bugging hotel rooms and other places to record King’s conversations with colleagues.

The recordings did not provide evidence of “communist influence” on the civil rights movement. Instead, they recorded King’s extramarital affairs. FBI officials, who already planned to “neutralize” King before they recorded his infidelities, shifted the rationale for their campaign to “morality” without missing a beat.

‘Obscene file’

Perhaps surprising to a 21st century reader, policing sexuality had long been part of the FBI’s mission.

The agency had a history of selectively enforcing the Mann Act, the 1910 law that aimed to stem interstate transport of “any woman or girl for the purpose of prostitution or debauchery, or for any other immoral purpose.” The FBI did this by prosecuting African American men for traveling across state lines with white women. Its “sex deviates” investigation from 1951 through the 1970s produced over 300,000 pages of files as part of what one historian has called “a war on gays.”

FBI agents regularly collected “obscene” materials as part of their investigations, which were then deposited in an “Obscene File” that contained thousands of books, photographs and films by the mid-1960s.

And longtime FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover’s “Personal and Confidential” files contained what Attorney General Edward Levi described to Congress in 1975 as 48 folders on “public figures and prominent persons… Presidents, executive branch employees and 17 individuals who were members of Congress.”

It wasn’t clear, however, how the FBI could circulate information about King’s affairs without also raising questions as to why the FBI was bugging King’s hotel rooms in the first place. When FBI Assistant Director Courtney Evans recommended in September 1964 that the tapes be destroyed, Hoover overruled him.

Instead, in late 1964, following the passage of the Civil Rights Act and King’s award of the Nobel Peace Prize, the FBI sent excerpts of the recordings to King’s wife, Coretta, along with a letter that encouraged King to commit suicide to avoid having exposure of his extramarital affairs ruin his life.

The stunt failed. In his autobiography, civil rights leader Andrew Young described his and Coretta and Martin Luther King’s responses to the tape that accompanied what he called the “sick letter”: “It was a very poor quality recording. … There was no question in our minds that this scurrilous material was coming from the FBI … few people had the capability of bugging hotel rooms except the FBI.”

Undeterred, the FBI continued to bug King’s hotel rooms from 1965 to 1968, and occasionally circulated memos to the attorney general about the results of the recordings, including both political and sexual topics.

But the FBI didn’t release the tapes themselves, because doing so may have generated the same suspicions raised by the one sent to King.

Context matters

The preservation of the FBI’s tapes so that they could someday come to light was a political decision made through acts of omission.

When J. Edgar Hoover died in 1972, his secretary Helen Gandy destroyed the FBI’s “Personal and Confidential” files on public officials and celebrities. At the same time, according to Athan Theoharis’ “The FBI: A Comprehensive Reference Guide,” Acting Director Mark Felt incorporated the Bureau’s “Official and Confidential” files into the FBI’s central records system, subject to the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests. Files on King’s private life were placed in this latter set of records rather than destroyed, and some were transferred to the National Archives in 2005.

Litigation by Bernard Lee from King’s Southern Christian Leadership Conference sought to compel destruction of the recordings and transcripts. But the judge in the case, John Lewis Smith Jr., rejected the request, and instead ordered them sealed for 50 years until 2027.

People will rightly debate the trustworthiness of FBI sources, and Garrow’s interpretation of them. No figure, no matter how revered, should be immune from scrutiny over their potential support for violence against women.

But those weighing the evidence and its veracity should not forget that the tapes being used to facilitate this discussion were created and preserved with the goal of destroying Martin Luther King’s reputation. The FBI’s intent was to demoralize and fragment the coalition of supporters King brought together in his life, the people who find common purpose by honoring his memory.

In this respect, revealing these materials could be considered “Hoover’s revenge.”

While we are at it, let's see how the "war against drugs" was just also a political tool against so called radicals, black people and eventually hippies. All seemingly dangerous people who are opposing the status quo of the US empire, or in reality the dominance of the military industrial complex. The system always has to have the dangerous boogeymen opposing it.

As Mark said later it was the Muslims. Then the Chinese. There's always a patsy (https://youtu.be/sbR6vHXD1j0) to be found!

Do you realize who else used that card? It was the jews!

Now there's a rhetoric of anti-semitism rising in America too and Klanye wasn't helping with that at all... Der ewige Jude.

Some of these tactics appeal very strongly to the base human insticts and the root chakra, which is based on survival, fear and separation when imbalanced. My tribe, your tribe, othering. "Us vs them". Let the hate or love flow? Every man makes that decision for himself.


How a racist hate-monger masterminded America’s War on Drugs (https://timeline.com/harry-anslinger-racist-war-on-drugs-prison-industrial-complex-fb5cbc281189)

In 1931, Henry Smith Williams walked into Harry Anslinger’s Washington, D.C., office to plead for his brother’s life. Anslinger and his agents had locked up every drug user they could find, including Williams’s brother, Edgar. Williams was a doctor and had written extensively on the need for humane treatment of addicts. He had spoken vehemently against Anslinger’s brutal tactics, but, confronted by the man himself — slicked back black hair, with a falcon-like visage, a thick neck, and an imposing frame — Williams was suddenly deflated. He half-heartedly made a few points about his brother not deserving such treatment; then he left. After he was out the door, Anslinger mocked him, calling him hysterical. “Doctors,” he said knowingly, “cannot treat addicts even if they wish to.” He called instead for “tough judges not afraid to throw killer-pushers into prison and throw away the key.”

With this unforgiving mentality, Anslinger ruled over the Federal Narcotics Bureau (a precursor to the DEA) for more than three decades — a formative period that shaped the United States’ drug policy for years to come. As John C. McWilliams explained in his book about Anslinger, The Protectors, “Anslinger was the Federal Bureau of Narcotics.” During this time, he implemented stringent drug laws and unreasonably long prison sentences that would give rise to America’s prison-industrial complex. Because of Anslinger, millions of lives were swept up in the drug war’s dragnet, if they weren’t outright ended. But Anslinger’s wasn’t so much a war on drugs as it was a war on culture, an attempt to squelch the radical freedom of the Jazz Age for people of color. Anslinger was a xenophobe with no capacity for intellectual nuance, and his racist views informed his work to devastating effect. But he couldn’t have done it, nor reigned as long as he did, without a cast of complicit politicians who shared his bigoted vision for what America should be.

Anslinger’s zeal for law and order manifested early. He was born in Altoona, Pennsylvania, in 1892 to Swiss German parents. His father struggled to find work as a barber and got hired by the Pennsylvania Railroad, which was where Anslinger got his first job in the eighth grade. He eventually rose through the ranks by investigating wrongful death claims. His work was characterized by a distaste for anything extrajudicial, and a nose for fraud. This attitude proved useful when he pivoted to Prohibition enforcement. In the early 1920s, he worked for the government, chasing rum runners in the Bahamas. In 1930, he was appointed to helm the newly minted Federal Bureau of Narcotics by President Hoover. An astute judge of Washington’s ways, he quickly aligned himself with influential politicians, Washington insiders, and the pharmaceutical industry, whose support saw him through a series of scandals in the coming years. Congressman John Cochran of Missouri praised him, saying he “deserved a medal of honor.”

During the early parts of his career, Anslinger seemed little concerned about marijuana, known by most as cannabis. But when Prohibition ended, it looked as though Anslinger might be out of a job, so he sought a new threat to the American way, essentially manufacturing a drug war. As Johann Hari explains in his book Chasing the Scream: The First and Last Days of the War on Drugs, Anslinger’s office was focused on cocaine and heroin, but there were relatively small numbers of users. In order to ensure a promising future for his bureau, “he needed more,” Hari writes. Marijuana was Anslinger’s golden ticket. He used his office to trumpet the association between weed and violence, so that it could be criminalized. “You smoke a joint and you’re likely to kill your brother,” he was known to have said. McWilliams explains that in this effort, “Anslinger appealed to many organizations whose members were predominantly white Protestant.”

From the beginning, Anslinger conflated drug use, race, and music. “Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men,” he was quoted as saying. “There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the U.S., and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others.”

Over the coming years, Anslinger would have a decisive hand in all of the country’s drug legislation, including the Boggs Act of 1951, which required mandatory sentencing and various state laws further criminalizing drug use. According to McWilliams, Anslinger was considered the preeminent expert on drugs in America. He remained at the helm of the Federal Narcotics Bureau until the Kennedy administration, but his ideas were swiftly adopted by successive administrations — always disproportionately to the detriment of people of color.

In 1971, Nixon declared his “war on drugs.” His aide and Watergate co-conspirator John Ehrlichman later revealed the effort’s nefarious motivations in Harper’s:

The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people … We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities.

During the eighties, Nancy Reagan’s “Just Say No” campaign was paired with race-based media hysteria about crack. Over the course of the next 20 years, the number of drug offenders in U.S. prisons multiplied twelvefold. This draconian mantle was picked up by George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton and remained the status quo until Barack Obama, who began pardoning or commuting drug offenders’ sentences and approaching the opioid crisis as a public health issue rather than a carceral one. But with the election of Donald Trump and his appointment of Jeff Sessions as attorney general, Anslinger’s legacy appears alive and well. This administration has attempted to block the legalization and decriminalization of marijuana, urged police to be tough on drug crime, and called for harsher sentencing. As Sessions said in 2016, “Good people don’t smoke marijuana.”


A great deal of evil can occur when people who are in authority disapprove of certain sectors of the populace.

J Edgar Hoover was such a person.

I'm not prepared to link him to MLK's assassination because there's no direct evidence, but Hoover did his best to try and prevent the Civil Rights movement, and he used unethical methods to target those he opposed.

I look back at some of our nation's history and it takes my breath away with the depth of cruelty, unfairness, and yes, racism.

It's up to us to shift the mindset away from those antiquated ideas and toward an inclusive world where we're all judged on our acts rather than our race, age, religion, or nation of origin.

[T Smith]

Not to rain on your parades here but recent FBI released tapes show MLK to have had dozens of affairs and at least once to have laughed during a forced rape while being recorded by the FBI.

The link doesn't work, but I've heard about that before and I wouldn't put any value on what FBI said (https://theconversation.com/j-edgar-hoovers-revenge-information-the-fbi-once-hoped-could-destroy-rev-martin-luther-king-jr-has-been-declassified-118026). So be careful when believing something, it just might be bs. Would you trust intel from CIA for that matter?

"The FBI’s attempt to discredit Martin Luther King Jr – new details of which are only just emerging some 55 years later – was a mammoth operation involving undercover informants, wiretapped phones and bugged hotel rooms.

J Edgar Hoover, the bureau’s notorious director, believed the material gathered by his agents in the Sixties exposed the civil rights leader as a “notorious liar” and “one of the lowest characters in the country”.

“At that time there was an ethic in the US that prominent men’s private affairs didn’t qualify as news. That was what also protected JFK.”



I haven’t looked too deep into this, but I wouldn’t doubt it. MLK and his message was an enemy of the State, and still is. The disparaging information wouldn’t have been as effective a tool to use against him in the ethos of the 60s, but much more so today. In today’s world, there would be no need to assassinate MLK given the current technology and tools that dominate mind space, i.e., it would be just as easy to assassinate his character and cancel him entirely. Circa 2023, MLK would be a little known Baptist minister from Montgomery, AL, a threat to no one, espousing ideals of love and unity to a limited flock. To the extent those ideals did expand beyond its corral, the necessary technology would be applied such that he would be reviled and hated and despised; the very same people who love and revere him today would detest and loathe him…. So to the extent that MLK’s message is beginning to resurface in the alternative narrative, I’m not surprised at all the FBI declassified this information and is tempering the public with it. Whether it’s true or not is irrelevant.

I won’t expand too much more on this, just something to chew on.

[Mark]

Y'all.

I am going to respond to all of your comments and deeper thoughts this weekend, when I have time. I am very busy for the rest of this week, but I did want to say this.

I see no need for my further participation on this thread.

There is NOTHING that has been written in the latest commentary that causes my internal sense of knowing and decades of study to rise in response. Fundamentally, those with whom I speak now are aligned with what I know to be true, given the state of our more or less collective conditioning and susceptibility to modern media disinformation tactics. I am gratified and thankful to be in such company, to share understanding and hone my own perspectives that I cannot experience in this current life and, therefore, rely upon other, true and faithful witnesses, to share their experiences and perspectives so that I CAN SEE MYSELF from people who share an internal sense of fundamental human unity and the desire to move beyond that which has separated us in the past.

That's all. Please continue on with your regularly scheduled programming. Talk soon.

[Mark]

Suppose the middle man not only has an agenda, but is also an adept social engineer who can fashion whatever reality he wants at the end of the queue, as an artist with a paint brush. And yes, this is an art form…. Suppose the middleman’s craft is done largely unbeknownst to those who may think they understand reality or, worse, believe they are “in the know” because of higher education or because of other subtle influences of the artist’s brush.

Goethe’s famous quote comes to mind here, “…none are more hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free…”

Yes, that is so true and not only applies to those who undergo the process of higher education, but also those who seek to educate themselves through their own personal efforts, the autodidacts who learn by seeking out information themselves. There is institutional fake news that's put out by the masters of media, by the universities, by grade schools, middle schools and high schools. There's fake information put out on the daily newscasts, on the podcasts so many are so fond of because they mirror their own views, by ourselves, to others, when we don't want to believe something and share our opinion with other people knowing that what we believe may not be objectively true, but it is what we want to believe about ourselves and the world.

Fake news, mistaken ideas and perceptions are rife in our world, hence the eastern invocation of Illusion as a description for Maya, perhaps, in part. Who can know what is real or true, when all we see is interpreted through such subjective lenses as those we employ to interpret all we encounter?

I do cosign tho', all you state is so in regards to the way of the world. I just don't know how it can be changed without some fundamental transformation of human perception. Any and every system tends toward entropy and reset eventually. Perhaps that is just the Sign of the Times and These Things Must Be. I don't know.



Fair enough. But why do we accept this? A society run by elites who want to kill us? What?

Haven't the elites always been afraid of the hoi polloi? They needed them, back in the day, for primary food production and to be the cogs that run the machinery of whatever society might have been for them.

The advent of AI and the dawn of bipedal, humanoid machinery and commercial and industrial robots seems to have shifted things on its face, but these are still nascent and tentative innovations, not yet ready for prime time.



Shouldn’t we humans, as a unified race, strive to govern ourselves and speak out against any societal structure organized otherwise? Or, if that society is throwing my tribe some crumbs, or serving my interests in some way (perhaps at the expense of others), or if it appears to be bettering my narrative, one that serves my identity, best not rock the boat? (This observation goes for all colors and creeds BTW—I’m not just pointing at one group in particular, even those who openly embrace identity politics, or oddly embrace zero-sum only when they are are in bed with the positive integer). It’s always perplexing to me that those who fancy themselves the most progressive in society also fall back on, “cuz it’s just the way it is and always has been!” when they see no other use for “progress” to further their cause. This seems nothing but a reflection of interest-group politics to me. And, giving the benefit of the doubt, if those groups do embrace progressive values, then they’re under the influence of an interesting case of cognitive dissonance, IMO.


Hellz yes! We should be into that, the whole governing ourselves schtick. And perhaps we have been, in the past. Have you read the book "The Dawn of Everything", by David Graeber and David Wengrow? It talks about the evidence of past civilizations that existed for hundreds and perhaps thousands of years that were not based upon the models we are familiar with. That did not use commerce and money the way that we do, that did not necessarily experience the same kinds of inequalities and inequities that we find so base and fundamental to the expression of our current civilization. I've just begun reading the book, but already my idea of what is possible has been challenged!

The questions we must answer, then, include, how does a unified human race govern itself without institutional structures that control nepotism, greed and the predominance of psychopathy among its working members?

Not sure what you are referring to when you speak to progressives saying 'this is just the way it is and always has been', unless they are speaking about the controlling and dominant societal mores. Please expound with an example.



`There may be some who scramble to find an enemy in changing times. But if this is so, are these folks really the backward minded folks portrayed by Barack Obama “clinging to their guns and bibles?” Are all the questions abound, e.g., whose behind the change? Who do we fight to stop it? To whom do we assign the blame?, etc.—and, by implication—really the questions of the desperate, those in disbelief who will do what they must to preserve their White Privilege in a changing society? I imagine yes, there may be some gun-toting racists who would make BO proud to have uttered those words, and yes, I grant this dynamic does manifest in society, albeit at the periphery, and not just among blacks and whites but among all colors and creeds. The truth is, it is more likely folks in search of an enemy amid the rapidly evolving narrative you describe simply don’t fully comprehend what is happening. In other words, they are not aware enough to understand the narrative as it unfolds let alone articulate enough to defend themselves against a fabricated narrative pejoratively ascribed to them, one which renders them mute and fearful to talk about for fear of being labeled racist. Or, one that disqualifies them altogether from having an opinion or taking a stance because of their Whiteness. I, for one, have no problem at all with the shift—or in the changing narrative…I welcome it—but, in the name of individualism, not collectivism.

There it is. Nothing more, nothing less.

I would agree with all of that. You see the same issues all over the world on every continent and in every government. There is a lot of ignorance, but critical decisions are being made at a collective level despite that reality. Why? Because they must. Because we do go on, whether we know everything we should or not. Everybody, from Obama to Trump and all in between, who splits us and divides based upon simplistic memetics is a part of the problem and not the solution.


I wouldn’t necessarily conflate the two. I would categorize them as unlikely bedfellows, forced together by political compromise and socioeconomic necessity (not too unlike much of our politics today) and by the sociocultural consciousness of the era. So yes, there were sociocultural proclivities of White Supremacy and racism at the beginnings of the nation—there is no argument here—but just as I wouldn’t conflate, say, the practice of the chaste courtship with the ideals of freedom, liberty, and prosperity (but rather with sociocultural reality undergirding colonial America) I certainly wouldn’t conflate White Supremacy and/or racism with the ideals of freedom, liberty, and prosperity.

You may not, but many others have and currently are.


In other words, racist proclivities were condoned by, but not inherent to, the founding nation.

They actually were. But the British started it, organizing owners and workers by race, deliberately, after the multiracial uprising called Bacon's Rebellion. This was in the late 1600s and well institutionalized by the times of the Continental Congress, then the Declaration of Independence and Constitution, a hundred years later.


The institution of slavery, for example, was among the most divisive and contentious of debates among the Founding Fathers, and in fact was a potential roadblock to ratifying the Constitution itself, namely because of a powerful and influential political faction dependent on the slave trade forced a compromise. But there were other heavyweights of the Enlightenment, the anti-Federalists, e.g. Madison, King, Morris et. al, who well understood the inherent contradiction between liberty and freedom and the institution of slavery, and who spoke our fervently against the immorality and incompatibility of the institution of slavery with the ideals of liberty and freedom.

Spoke out. I'd argue, for posterity's sake. But did not want to destroy an economic system that was not only working but promised to continue to provide wealth for the entire nation. Because it was not just the south that benefited from slavery, but the north as well.





In other words, if America embraces liberty, freedom, and prosperity--and ultimately to government by and for the people, it's really embracing a pernicious and regressive ideology characteristic of its racist roots, to a government by and for Racist/Sexist White Males.

I don't think this is actually so. The problem is, though, that perspective is institutionalized. And always has been. Many people believe it needs to shift as the population demographics shift as well.




The perspective may be institutionalized, but it is ill-founded, IMO. And the changing narrative only seems to galvanize that perspective, which makes me suspect of its ulterior motives. There seems to be an underlying, hidden agenda to the narrative, something other than the advancement of positive change, which incessantly demonizes liberty and freedom (hmmm…) all in the name of change, which I suspect is but a big fat giant Trojan Horse. To which I say, beware of social engineers bearing gifts!

It is ill-founded indeed and flawed fundamentally, which is why it is shifting now, as all things must, that do not comport with societal evolution. Our society is evolving to become more of what the founders envisioned, I'm sure, faaaaar in the future and after many ideological and perhaps material battles that they, thankfully for them I'm sure, would not be alive to participate in or see coming directly. All societies are engineered. And guided deliberately, from the Amazonian tribes still trying to keep their ways to Chinese fascism and our Western Democracies.


To go down the road to stop that would be to embrace supremacy philosophies that have not worked out well for those who've attempted them.


I’m puzzled by this. I’ve failed to infer any philosophy espousing ideals of supremacy from any of the writings by Enlightenment philosophers who inspired the Constitution, e.g. John Locke, Charles Montesquieu, Jean-Jacques Rousseau et. al. In fact, I’ve read all these philosophers specifically to the contrary. What am I missing? I suppose there may be supremacy tendencies among those who have embraced these philosophies and/or have been inspired by them in the formation of governments… But in the ideals themselves? Curious to hear your take on this; I’m truly puzzled. And as such, I find myself continually coming back to same conclusion. I’m lookin’ down at a baby emerged in some nasty, dirty bath water…. which way to go to sanitize the tub?

I'm talking about the Nazis here. Sorry I should have said so directly. A supremacist philosophy and a dangerously racist ideology that threatened the majority of the inhabitants of this planet.


But my question to those who lean toward the Hobbsian bent: if human beings are so evil and wicked and cannot be left to their own devices, who watches the evil watchers? Who manages them with a heavy hand? Who puts them under lock and key, chain and ball?

Hm. Good questions. Perhps here is where we defer to the ultimate reality and the laws of karma, the non-corporeal beings of a higher ethical state and the seemingly remorseless workings of laws higher than those we write for ourselves.


For only the most evil and wicked among us, those will do virtually anything or whatever it takes to reach the top of the social order in order to rule over the rest of us, including lying, cheating, stealing, and killing for it; how is that we so readily abdicate our freedom and lives to but a handful of these wicked, wicked humans? How is it we allow the most evil and wicked among us to force the rest of us wicked subordinates to do their bidding? Hmmm…. sounds a lot like the world in which we live today. I’ll stick with Rousseau, thank you. The model man is the independent farmer, free of superiors, and self-governing…

They don't necessarily see justice themselves, it seems. It looks like karma works across the generations and down through families, within which souls seem to incarnate, time and time again, according to Eastern (Asian) and Southern (African) understandings of its workings. The bible has quite a few statements about it, people are cursed unto the 7th generation and such. What our forefathers and mothers did, seems to reverberate down through time until it finally reaches those of us who can only look around themselves and say, huh? Why me????

That seems to be the way of it.

I often wonder, in that vein, what black Americans did to bring us into the situation that my ancestors and those of us currently living experience. Sure, things are much, much better, and the controller's desire to control has expanded in the attempt to enslave those whom it previously coopted, in earlier generations, and made part of the psychopathic state mechanism of racial enslavement. Whatever it was, must have been an offense directly against God. But our time of direct and open servitude seem to be ending. What time it is now, only God knows. Or the Multiverse, or Source, or Creator, or whichever of the myriad terms we humans give it is preferable to whomever.


This wasn’t always so. There was a time when the highly educated leaned conservative and voted Republican (https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/03/20/1-trends-in-party-affiliation-among-demographic-groups/). So, to what do we attribute the shift? Better quality of education? Or lesser quality? Or just evolving societal attitudes in general? In any case, the underlying implication of your observation is the more ignorant one is, the more apt she or he is to vote Republican.

Ignorant just means not knowing. We are all ignorant. Every single one of us.

I don't think that has anything to do with it. People make choices and often choose to stay with their tribe and accept their tribes' mores. Sometimes that means not going to college because it is liberal and those people suck and the information they believe is all lies.

Common, universal education is not an old idea it is a new idea, begun really in the late 1800s and codified and industrialized to serve the new workers in factories and give them a basic liberal arts education, where you learn a little about a lot. It's never been designed to educate a population toward any kind of freedom. That wasn't the college that white men and some women began going to after WWII and the GI Bill, that was a commercial, industrial education designed to make them part of the machinery. A pact that was made, the last great pact, before it was all torn down and apart in the late 1960s, then shipped overseas beginning in the late 1980s with Bush's NWO and Clinton's NAFTA in the 90s. They're all on the same side, remember? The side that's not ours.


But if this is true, the flip side must also be true. The more indoctrinated one is, the more apt she or he is to vote Democrat. I would argue higher education was co-opted by a collectivist Statist agenda with the advent of the Department of Education Organization Act (1979)—and I’m well aware many on the left applaud this as progress—so it comes as no surprise to me at all that shortly after the formation of the Department of Education the majority who call themselves Liberal began voting in lockstep with the Statist agenda. And of course, this may be preferable to the prior ethos of higher education that subtly perpetuated systemic racism and White Supremacy, as the argument goes, but either way, it seems to me the mediated experience of higher education churns out voters via programming and conditioning and teaches folks what to think as opposed to how to think.

No. They teach you critical thinking in college. They teach it moreso in Grad School and you choose to become part of the machinery of state, or not. That's where the acceptance and wealth lie, you understand. You can and many do choose to go the other way. Many blacks and browns who got educations and could not enter the system had to make their own way and many of them wrote masterpieces critiquing the system. When I was a Senior in Geography Studies in my Undergrad, my thesis was on the Marshall Plan and how the then American-led coalition basically raped Africa to pay for the rebuilding of Europe. How so many raw materials were exported to become finished goods that then became the basis of the industrial dominance of the West and the continued predatory, rapine behavior that has resulted in the dire straits we now find ourselves in.

My education on how to research and access to the Stacks, the many, many books written by whites documenting events as they occurred, was how I was able to find such information. You can't find a word on anything I just said online today. I found it all reading books that were just documenting the reality of their day. Now, those things are kept offline. Who has been and is responsible for that kind of censorship?

We have to each, at some point, accept our conditioning and programming. Many do and some do not. The many who do are motivated by their own desires and fears, whatever they may be.


LOL. I am hardly into Critical Theory—as I believe you are likely aware—but with no offense to those who subscribe, I’m certainly a critic of it. And I’d be a fool not to acknowledge the growing influence of postmodernism in every power center of society.

Critical theory IS postmodernism. That is where it came out of and what it reflects. A critic of the project of "Modernity". This is a definition of Postmodernism:


a late-20th-century style and concept in the arts, architecture, and criticism that represents a departure from modernism and has at its heart a general distrust of grand theories and ideologies as well as a problematical relationship with any notion of “art.”.

And what is Modernity? Here is a definition:


What are the 4 key characteristics of modernity?
It is the progress of the four dimensions of modernity I.e. industrialism, capitalism, administrative power and military power into the international division of labor, world capitalist economy, nation-state system, and world military power respectively that make modernity global (Giddens, 1990).

Modernity is, in essence, the foundation and expression of White Supremacy as it evolved and became the expression of Western European ideological modalities and ways of being, as an unconscious collective. I was in grad school in the 90s, when it evolved into what has become almost a separate entity in the minds of those who do not know what they are talking about when they critique Critical Theory.

We are engaging in Postmodern and Critical Theory debate right now. In fact, that is much of what we do here. I think people get upset about Critical Race Theory because it is a discussion about things that are fundamental to their ways of lives and that they are not used to thinking about critically.

It's kind of funny, when you think about it. So much ado about nothing. It's all just talk. That leads to change that the majority population of the US, conservative and liberal, do not want.


I’m again puzzled. We keep circling back to a bigger picture that renders the fearful masses, or by implication, the White majority, to a collective in frenzied pushback against the steady advances of people of color. Is this really true? Is this really what is happening here? I can't speak for others, but I’ve stated as clearly as I can, and many times, that indeed, I concur with the observation of pushback, but it is not against the advancement of any minority, group, or identity. I am in pushback against collectivism, which caresses the hands of all of the various interest groups--especially the downtrodden and marginalized--while promising hope and change, and ultimately, the emancipation from the "White Man" (FKA "The Man"). Nice trick!

Ok, I see where you're coming from. But I also see another 'trick' here. By stating that it is a system, collectivism, i.e. communism, that is being pushed back against, any and all groups that, by definition, are collective in nature, are automatically included among that systemic rejection! That's people, my man. That's black people, people who want to unionize, people who are gay, who want any kind of change that goes against the status quo!

And it is a collective that is railing against other collectives! A collective that refuses to define itself as such and hides behind meaningless terms like "individualism". When everybody within a collective call themselves and their ideas individualist, is it just a bunch of individuals who act like a collective or is it a collective itself?

I dunno. It seems like a sleight-of-hand to me, that allows people to say they're against an ideology when how it works out practically and materially, is that they just want the status quo to continue and they get to 'say' they are against a system, thereby deflecting their complicity in the repression of entire peoples.

Because they are individuals. And they didn't do the bad things themselves, personally, right?

Or am I wrong, here? Or is it indeed using an 'idea' as a subterfuge and deflection from the recognition of the manifest and undeniable reality we and all of our ancestors have collectively co-created and inhabited?


It's up to us to shift the mindset away from those antiquated ideas and toward an inclusive world where we're all judged on our acts rather than our race, age, religion, or nation of origin.

100%. I believe we are engaging in this work here and now. It is all so vast and incomprehensible, people working, living, all over the world to shift these narratives. All of the little acts we do daily, the small things that we think don't matter, do. We just must continue; we cannot stop and I don't believe that we will. People of conscience and good will exist all over the world and we may not receive the media attention, but it all counts. Thank you for your individual contributions to this collective effort.

[T Smith]

Hi Mark,

Really good discussion going here. I appreciate your perspective and do agree with much of it. At the end of the day, I think we're analyzing the same beast from a slightly different angle--and admittedly from different life experiences--but we are for the most part on the same page with our analysis of the issues. A few thoughts:




Fake news, mistaken ideas and perceptions are rife in our world, hence the eastern invocation of Illusion as a description for Maya, perhaps, in part. Who can know what is real or true, when all we see is interpreted through such subjective lenses as those we employ to interpret all we encounter?

I do cosign tho', all you state is so in regards to the way of the world. I just don't know how it can be changed without some fundamental transformation of human perception. Any and every system tends toward entropy and reset eventually. Perhaps that is just the Sign of the Times and These Things Must Be. I don't know.



This is indeed the way of the world and it would be naive to believe otherwise. Plato's Allegory of the Cave also comes to mind.

What I'd like to see more from higher education, though, and from societal institutions in general, is to teach students how to think, not what to think. Call me a sucker for the Socratic method--and I realize this may be a naive assertion (perhaps even a radical one); who wants a herd of plebs who can think for themselves? Who knows what kind of mischief and injustice the hoi polloi might make of the world? In any case, a world full of free thinking humans would certainly make for an unruly mess for the controllers of perception.

I also realize some will vehemently disagree with this brand of idealism. Some truths and perceptions are above question and necessary to indoctrinate into the hearts and minds of the young as a cornerstone to becoming a functioning cog of society. I'm sure there is an appropriate line to draw there; it just seems the trend in higher education these days leans more to the latter--if only subtly--which, IMHO, is a trend in the wrong direction relative to progress. Just a personal perspective/opinion.




Have you read the book "The Dawn of Everything", by David Graeber and David Wengrow? It talks about the evidence of past civilizations that existed for hundreds and perhaps thousands of years that were not based upon the models we are familiar with. That did not use commerce and money the way that we do, that did not necessarily experience the same kinds of inequalities and inequities that we find so base and fundamental to the expression of our current civilization. I've just begun reading the book, but already my idea of what is possible has been challenged!



I haven't read it, but I will seek it out...





The questions we must answer, then, include, how does a unified human race govern itself without institutional structures that control nepotism, greed and the predominance of psychopathy among its working members?



This is indeed the question. And perhaps the very crux of our discussion. It seems to me we can render this entire discussion down to one simple question: is liberty and freedom conducive to justice for all? We again circle back to Hobbs vs. Rousseau. If we indeed strive to create a society in which we are all free to do and prosper as we will in the pursuit of happiness, can such a society exist without creating injustice, institutionalized psychopathy, and oppression of the week and marginalized? Considering all this, is self governance even possible? Some say no. Either overtly, or by implication given their embrace of certain ideologies.

The American system of self governance is a novel experiment in attempt to answer some of these lingering questions, something the progressive aristocrat and French sociologist Alexis de Tocqueville pondered at length, but without resolution. And it would seem his observations at the turn of the 18th century are as relevant today as they were then, as the jury is still out. That institutions of Western Civilization, created by European White men, were founded on liberty and freedom that have not been kind to various groups marginalized at the periphery of society, seems to be the major critique and argument against liberty, freedom, and self governance. Hence the urge to tear down the structure of Western Civilization itself, including its very foundation, in attempt to rebuild in the image of personal identity.

It would derail our conversation to go further in depth on this, but I would argue it is impossible for liberty and freedom to coexist in a society founded on personal identity.





...I certainly wouldn’t conflate White Supremacy and/or racism with the ideals of freedom, liberty, and prosperity.

You may not, but many others have and currently are.



Okay, I'll bite :) Engineering society around personal identity is antithetical to liberty and freedom insofar as such a society would require massive social engineering programs, restrictions, and management to ensure some groups advance while others are held back, to promote equality and social justice among some at the expense of others (all subjective determinations) or to satisfy whatever objective du jour suits its evolving demands--and, as DNA and others have pointed out, this brand of engineering condones and necessitates punitive measures based on identity and race, encourages racism, and divides society into limitless interest factions hostile of others. The end result? Social injustice is thus condoned in the name of social justice.




It is ill-founded indeed and flawed fundamentally, which is why it is shifting now, as all things must, that do not comport with societal evolution.



I think we can all agree the sociocultural government of Colonial America was flawed... not so sure I would go so far to say it was flawed fundamentally. The U.S. Constitution was designed as a living, breathing document, room for growth and evolution. But today it is not the nation's founding sociocultural flaws under attack (many of which our evolving society has addressed), in as much as it is an attack on its foundation. Its 1st, 2nd, 4th amendments -- essentially all the Bill of Rights -- teetering on collapse; which raises the question: is the Constitution ill-founded, as you imply above? Or just ill-developed? Are we really talking societal evolution or genetic modification?




Many blacks and browns who got educations and could not enter the system had to make their own way and many of them wrote masterpieces critiquing the system. When I was a Senior in Geography Studies in my Undergrad, my thesis was on the Marshall Plan and how the then American-led coalition basically raped Africa to pay for the rebuilding of Europe. How so many raw materials were exported to become finished goods that then became the basis of the industrial dominance of the West and the continued predatory, rapine behavior that has resulted in the dire straits we now find ourselves in.



Critique of the system is always necessary. Especially when a path of integration into the system is not available to all. But I do wonder if such critique best describes an ill-developed system or an ill-founded system?




My education on how to research and access to the Stacks, the many, many books written by whites documenting events as they occurred, was how I was able to find such information. You can't find a word on anything I just said online today. I found it all reading books that were just documenting the reality of their day. Now, those things are kept offline. Who has been and is responsible for that kind of censorship?



Fair enough. There is also plenty of material in those same stacks from Douglass, Baldwin, du Bois, Cox, Ellison, and others--maybe not so much from the early American colonial era, but certainly beginning in the late nineteenth century and early twentieth century with the evolving prominence of the Frankfurt school and its critique on modernity. Here is an example of evolution, no?

Regardless, imagine the genetically modified version, where, if various social engineers had their way, and in their best (and most noble) assessment, determined it was necessary to physically remove from the stacks any information from which you and I gleaned our education, e.g., various historical perspectives from scholars, sociologists, and historians not aligned with the social objectives du jour, be they authored by scholars red, yellow, black, or white? Is this not what is subtly happening in the world of education today? And if not explicitly in higher education, then trending toward that end and certainly on the Internet and in the milieu of social media? I would argue it's not just critical theory where arguments are being censored (which is the point I believe you were trying to make, but please correct me if I'm wrong); censorship is a systemic problem, and a development not at all in line with progress. Again, my humble assessment.






LOL. I am hardly into Critical Theory—as I believe you are likely aware—but with no offense to those who subscribe, I’m certainly a critic of it. And I’d be a fool not to acknowledge the growing influence of postmodernism in every power center of society.

Critical theory IS postmodernism. That is where it came out of and what it reflects. A critic of the project of "Modernity". This is a definition of Postmodernism:



Yup. We're on the same page there, both with definitions of modernity and postmodernism. And, to be as blunt as possible, I respectfully think Theodor Adorno et. al (and future generational thinkers from the Frankfurt School) are fundamentally wrong in their critique of Western society insofar as they argue some iteration of Marxism is the way to foster human freedom and happiness. Please don't misunderstand. Marx was a brilliant philosopher, and there is certainly room for criticism of Western society and modernity; but some dialectic with Marx isn't the best approach for society to foster human freedom or happiness, IMO. And in fact, this was the main roadblock to Frankfurt thinkers and their criticism of capitalism, as it was apparent the "working classes" of Western societies, which they were hoping to recruit to the cause, were way too apathetic to embrace their own plight. In other words, the so-called proletariat was too fat and too prosperous from the "oppressive capitalist system" supposedly keeping them down, and the so-called down-trodden described by Marx contrarily had adopted a consumerist worldview of abundance and possession. The Frankfurt school, in effect--at least among the ranks of its founding thinkers--was critiquing a so-called caste system that wasn't (or at the very least one the masses wouldn't acknowledge), so they instead aligned themselves with the interests of the marginalized, ethnic minorities who had not yet integrated into the system due to its sociocultural flaws. This is how Marxist ideology exploits organizations like BLM, for example, and exploits the notion of oppression to sell its brand.




Modernity is, in essence, the foundation and expression of White Supremacy as it evolved and became the expression of Western European ideological modalities and ways of being, as an unconscious collective.



At risk of over simplifying the problem, is this not just another Marxist iteration of class conflict?





I dunno. It seems like a sleight-of-hand to me, that allows people to say they're against an ideology when how it works out practically and materially, is that they just want the status quo to continue and they get to 'say' they are against a system, thereby deflecting their complicity in the repression of entire peoples.



Can't deny it looks that way. I am, in fact, explicitly speaking out against an ideology. But let's consider a little deeper. When speaking out against cultural Marxism, for example, or against identity politics, is my underlying motive only because I want the status quo to continue? Isn't that overly simplistic? Could it be that I only want liberty and prosperity to continue? For all? And if liberty and prosperity are not currently available to all, at present, as the critics of modernity argue, then might I at the very least be arguing for the opportunity for liberty and prosperity to remain available to all, in whatever societal evolution we might collectively imagine or create?

Also, it it possible--just possible--the postmodern system that promises equality and happiness to the marginalized might be far more repressive and enslaving to entire peoples--all peoples--than that of the status quo?

There are no right or wrong answers to these questions. Just ideas--or critiques--of the prevalent thought underlying present day Critical Theory.

[ExomatrixTV]

I noticed that the vast majority of my old left leaning (classic) liberals "friends of friends" network in The Netherlands 🇳🇱 do not even know that Native people of most countries in the whole world did have slaves too and sold humans to other humans BEFORE (and during) the Caucasian people came from Europe in the 1500s & 1600s.


Now why is this important to know? <<< rhetorical question ... and why is it that most liberals (even classic liberals) never ever bring this up? ... Why?

Am not claiming "slavery" is good ... that is not the point and would be very stupid of me ... the point is that most do not realize how common it was for thousands of years throughout human history. And guess who decided to stop slavery the way it was for 1000s of years and make slavery official a criminal act through new laws?

ps. I was raised by classical (socialists) liberal parents & relatives most of my life, and my old friends network were too. Knowing how they think and act helps me better understand certain psychological mechanism of behavior ... like having multiple (often self-imposed) "blind spots".

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[arwen]

All big companies in the US now require "DEI" training for employees, but studies say that often BACKFIRES. (8 minutes)

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[ExomatrixTV]

I noticed that the vast majority of my old left leaning (classic) liberals "friends of friends" network in The Netherlands 🇳🇱 do not even know that Native people of most countries in the whole world did have slaves and sold humans to other humans BEFORE (and during) the Caucasian people came from Europe in the 1500s & 1600s.


Now why is this important to know? <<< rhetorical question ... and why is it that most liberals (even classic liberals) never ever bring this up? ... Why?

Am not claiming "slavery" is good ... that is not the point and would be very stupid of me ... the point is that most do not realize how common it was for thousands of years throughout human history. And guess who decided to stop slavery the way it was for 1000s of years and make slavery official a criminal act through new laws?

ps. I was raised by classical (socialists) liberal parents & relatives most of my life, and my old friends network were too. Knowing how they think and act helps me better understand certain psychological mechanism of behavior ... like having multiple (often self-imposed) "blind spots".

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳



The David Knight Show - Apr. 3rd Replay

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[Ernie Nemeth]

https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/trump-speech-check-show-notes

second hour with Nick Deperno, comedian
knock-down funny
this is the 'joke' that racism has become
really funny
Crowder does some excellent imitations...
highlights how far this crazy leftist idea has gone
fact: jokes are the best way to ease racial tension

[DNA]

This is what I'm seeing right now.
A media empire attacking white people non stop and this fueling rage, contempt and seemingly enabling the worst actionable offenses against white people.

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[rgray222]

Thomas Sowell is one of my heroes, he is a man that can always bring an intelligent meaningful look at any difficult situation. I think sometimes we need to step back and look at the larger picture of slavery, reparations, and racism in general. In the second video he looks at the new mantra of equity versus equality.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8280aUatvA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WYi-64MejU

[Franny]

Yeonmi Park, who escaped from North Korea remarks on the similarities between US forced racism and NK class struggle. AKA Marxism.

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[rgray222]

I had to stop and think about posting this because I thought some might view it as racist but after careful thought, it is truly about choice.

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[Ernie Nemeth]

Thanks, rgray222.

I was thinking about an idea that began with me trying to understand my attitude regarding the war in Gaza.

The deeper I delved, the more the attitude seemed to harden in its resolve. The best I could get to a rational conclusion was that it is not fair.
Why not fair I could not determine. Instead, I explained it to myself as a matter of justice.
Somehow, justice is at issue here. And somehow, I had decided that justice had not been done in the war.

It still didn't make sense until I remembered that justice is blind, meaning that justice does not 'see' skin color, financial status, social standing, political or religious affiliation, or any other personal defining characteristics not pertinent to the case at hand. Instead, justice focuses strictly on the facts brought forward and judges on the merits of the case thus presented. Sentencing is another matter where now it is sometimes, or always, acceptable to consider the individual's prior circumstances and any other input that could alter the usual sentence in the name of justice.


Justice is no longer blind.
Justice grew a set of peepers during the '#metoo' movement that destroyed so many lives on the basis of public opinion alone.

Covid caused justice to look the other way, the vax made justice do a double-take, and the elections found justice with 20-20 vision!

What happens when justice looks the defendant up and down?
No more judicial process, no more impartial hearings, no more standing for those who have been wronged.


'White Supremacy', as a slogan, is racist. To begin a movement based on that premise requires the movement to be racist. Any use of skin color as an argument for a specific character trait is by definition racist.
When a government website discusses issues relevant to POC (persons of color, meaning every color but white) - that is the epitome of racism.


All of these issues reduce to the fact that justice is no longer blind, because if it were many of these movements, wars, and corrupted handling of critical cases would never have been tolerated.


That brings me back to what bothers me so much. Not just the war - that is just the proverbial stick that broke the camel's back.

What is bothering me is the continuous onslaught against justice. Because what is justice, really? Isn't it just a mixture of common sense and fairness?

Can justice be racist without compromise?


Is justice just an idea?
Or is justice not even the issue?


Maybe it's the 'systemic corruption' rampant in all our institutions that has performed radical eye surgery on our justice system...

[grapevine]

Not sure what you're getting at Ernie; The very one-sided "war" is ongoing and unlikely to stop unless Israel calls a ceasefire. There's still much conjecture, lies and propaganda surrounding all issues without any real confirmed evidence, apart from innocent civilians getting massacred in Gaza which we are witnessing daily with our own eyes. Justice for whom?

[Ernie Nemeth]

Justice for all of us.

We are having our minds raped. These atrocious acts of evil are a violence against everyone.

It is literally racism, no matter which side one takes. Hamas is the only non-race issue, predicated upon a racist attitude.


The justice is not dropping the ball on the real issues much closer to home. Far larger numbers of fellow citizens are being murdered and subjected to violence and racism. No one is raising the battle cry for them. They are far more important because they are us - we are next otherwise. But instead our hearts and minds are wrenched out of its rightful focus and delivered to an area half a world away.

We are just as vulnerable and in just as much danger.

The justice is for us. Because only then can we help them.

[grapevine]

I agree with what you say Ernie and if I'm on any side then it's the side of innocent civilians and children. That nobody in charge/with any influence is taking any notice of the vast majority of the public shows that there's no justice for any of us, that we're all really regarded as collateral damage by our leaders. The collective effect of it all is catastrophic, and justice, if there is any, will be a long time coming I fear.

[Ernie Nemeth]

To bring this thread back on track, then:


Since there is no definition for racism, the arguments go round and round. One thing we do know is that to be called a racist is negative. So, for instance, we see the word 'patriot' being increasingly vilified. Pride in your race or country is frowned upon because it implies superiority.

The word 'racism' itself is absurd. What can it mean? Of course I am proud of my race. Of course I expect everyone to be racist, to be proud of their race.
But that isn't a skin color.
White is not a race.
Black is not a race.

Polish is a race, Nigerian is a race.

Hungary is a racist country, as is Jamaica.


Is the USA or Canada a race of peoples? Can they, as an institution, be racist? Their constitutions claim otherwise.

That is the justice that is absent these days - blind justice. It is justice that applies the constitution to its decisions. If that is based on POC, that is not blind justice.


If there is this thing called racism in our systems, it must be because there is no justice in those systems.

Or there actually is no racism. And that would be because there is no way to define racism.


This thread should be called skin color bias, not racism, to remove the confusion.
Skin color bias is an injustice but to call it systemic is problematic at best and divisive at worst.

[DNA]

Ernie
It's my opinion that one of the tactics used by the enemy is to change the meaning of words.
We all know what racism means.
No need to dance around and figure out a new way to say it.

Alex Jones is pointing out that black on white violence is now out of control.
That you are crazy to remain in any of the cities deemed unlivable.
How the media and the education system are reversing the reality of the situation.
Then there is the justice system not properly prosecuting perpetrators.

So the schools are telling kids white people are the problem and hinting we need to get rid of them.
The Democratic party is teaching this.
The media has been pushing this through cherry picking their reporting.
Hollywood is pushing it in entertainment.
Even commercials push it.
So no surprise now that we have like three new videos a week of white kids getting beaten to death by mobs of black teenagers.

Young black minds are being indoctrinated from a very young age. We are now seeing the results.

https://twitter.com/RealAlexJones/status/1752077235366871398?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1752077235366871398%7Ctwgr% 5E7bb2bd9bc8cab79a8baa1199bee1197fcb1ef8d9%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.infowars.com%2F

[Bill Ryan]

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[Bill Ryan]

On Zero Hedge today: (the title is accurate)

https://zerohedge.com/geopolitical/british-school-kids-are-being-taught-black-people-built-stonehenge

British School Kids are being Taught Black People built Stonehenge

Yes, really.

Research (https://policyexchange.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Lessons-from-the-Past_.pdf) by the think tank Policy Exchange uncovered one book that makes this claim, Brilliant Black British History is being used widely in schools.

https://x.com/emeraldthiele/status/1924073874502676667
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The book, written by Nigerian-born author Atinuke, has sparked outrage among historians, parents, and anyone with a passing interest in, you know, facts.

https://x.com/OliLondonTV/status/1704157188518826245
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https://x.com/AncientEuropea1/status/1702964225411338337
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https://x.com/ModernityNews/status/1924191100404638104
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Nevertheless, it was still given an British Book award for best ‘non-fiction’ book for children last year.

https://x.com/thebookseller/status/1790081355432260086
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The teaching material, part of a broader push to “decolonize” history, insists that the iconic Wiltshire monument wasn’t just the work of pasty, bearded locals dragging stones across a field. Instead, it suggests a diverse coalition of ancient builders, including Black communities, were the masterminds behind the 5,000-year-old structure.

The book also claims “Britain was a black country for more than 7,000 years before white people came”.

https://x.com/emeraldthiele/status/1924072773602725890
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As we have previously covered, there is no actual evidence of any of this, aside from shady accounts of the odd darker skinned person being present, and some scattered bone finds, including the much debunked ‘Cheddar man’, that are claimed to be of ancient black people.


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1924110207292174366Policy Exchange notes “in too many cases, this process has gone too far, leading to the teaching of radical and contested interpretations of the past as fact, or with anecdotes of interesting lives replacing a deeper understanding of the core drivers of history.”

“Numerous cases of poor-quality resources being used to teach contested narratives as fact have been identified,” the group continues, noting “For example, one book used in classrooms claims black people built Stonehenge, whilst free resources produced by a subject organisation celebrate the genital mutilation of a slave as a form of ‘gender transition’.”

The research also revealed that some schools have stopped teaching core aspects of British history, including the Battle of Agincourt, which less than one in five schools now cover, and the Battles of Trafalgar and Waterloo, which only 11 per cent include in the curriculum.

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The data revealed that 83 per cent of schools claim to have ‘decolonised’ or ‘diversified’ their history teaching.
British historian Lord Roberts urged “it is vital pupils are taught the history of their own nation in a manner that seeks to do more than simply inculcate shame about our past.”

Report: School Kids Wrongly Taught Historical Figure Was Black
(https://modernity.news/2023/12/12/report-school-kids-wrongly-taught-historical-figure-was-black/)
“Absurd wokedom reaching across millennia to claim people of colour”

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Yes. Another 12 minute video on this:

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Apart from absurd, this agenda is more insidious than people realize. It correlates with the global agenda to "decolonize the archive", where Libraries, Archives and Museums around the world have had their Special Collections - containing primary research material - either "tragically" burned down, or removed/relocated with only digital traces left for the public and researchers to view.

Some recent examples:

Why Brazil’s National Museum Fire Was a Devastating Blow to South America’s Cultural Heritage (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/artifacts-destroyed-brazil-devastating-national-museum-fire-180970194/)

Why the Cape Town Fire Is a Devastating Loss for South African Cultural Heritage - The inferno destroyed much of the University of Cape Town’s special collections, including rare books, films, photographs and record (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/cultural-heritage-historic-library-destroyed-south-africa-blaze-180977539/)

Library Full of Precious Manuscripts Burned in Timbuktu
(https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/library-full-of-precious-manuscripts-burned-in-timbuktu-7219200/)
Many more. Of course if primary source material disappears, there is no evidence left to indicate after that that Black People did not build Stonehenge, or any other versions of history ever existed.

Digital data as we well know now, can be altered, but primary source material cannot. It only takes one generation to rewrite history......the generation now will be taught that version of history, and their children will learn the altered version from their parents, and the Memory of a Culture is erased.


"The first step in liquidating a people is to erase its memory. Destroy its books, its culture, its history. Then have somebody write new books, manufacture a new culture, invent a new history. Before long that nation will begin to forget what it is and what it was... The struggle of man against power is the struggle of memory against forgetting."

Milan Kundera

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On topic,

Dr Jacqueline Battalora author of Birth of a white national,

The invention of white people with Dr Jacqueline Battalora
INTRODUCTION:

“Some folks say white people have no business being in this work. But, you know, we have to be, and it's a job that you want to work yourself out of.”

In this episode Ralph Newell is joined by Dr. Jacqueline Battalora, author of Birth of a White Nation: The Invention of White People and Its Relevance Today.

Battalora is an attorney and professor of sociology at Saint Xavier University in Chicago.

Tune in as they discuss “whiteness,” the taboo of privilege, and the importance of understanding the truth of our history as well as the distressing implications the overturning of Roe v. Wade may have on our constitutional rights around race.

KEY POINTS:
● Dr. Jacqueline Battalora’s journey to diversity, equity, and inclusion work
● What does the term “whiteness” really mean?
● Why are white people considered the norm?
● How was whiteness invented, and why does it matter today?
● White replacement theory and DEI education
● What does it mean to be an ally?

QUOTABLES:

QUOTABLES:
“I think we have to be really clear about what we mean by whiteness. Malcolm X referred to whiteness not as a complexion, but as a state of consciousness.”
“White people really are just submerged as the norm. So, I become the norm against which all other racial groups are measured against and considered in relation to.”
“Let me address one thing that I often hear, which is the whole ‘preaching to the choir’. I don't know of any choir that doesn't need daily practice.”

GUEST RESOURCES:
Learn more about Jacqueline Battalora: https://www.speakoutnow.org/spea...

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The Invented Construct of Race

"Racism was invented by white people in the late 17th century as a socio-economic control construct over Indigenous and Aboriginal Black people throughout the planet. Sometimes white people have to say it for Black people to believe it. Sad but true, as the white ice is colder theory is real."

— Dr. Jacqueline Battalora, Ph.D., Birth of a White Nation

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In South Dakota 40% of women trafficked are Native American

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New episode out tomorrow! For #RedDressDay, observed on May 5th, April-Eve Wiberg interviews Kathy King, mother of Cara King, one of Canada’s thousands of missing and murdered indigenous women and girls #MMIW #MMIWG. They speak about the systemic sexual exploitation resulting from #colonialism, intergenerational #trauma, #poverty, #addiction, and failing institutions, as well as the survivor and family-led movement fighting back.

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https://www.nativehope.org/missing-and-murdered-indigenous-women-mmiw/

Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women (MMIW)

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Facts About Missing

There is widespread anger and sadness in First Nations communities. Sisters, wives, mothers, and daughters are gone from their families without clear answers. There are families whose loved ones are missing—babies growing up without mothers, mothers without daughters, and grandmothers without granddaughters. For Native Americans, this adds one more layer of trauma upon existing wounds that cannot heal. Communities are pleading for justice.

“The National Crime Information Center reports that, in 2016, there were 5,712 reports of missing American Indian and Alaska Native women and girls, though the US Department of Justice’s federal missing person database, NamUs, only logged 116 cases.”
The MMIW Red Hand

A red hand over the mouth has become the symbol of a growing movement, the MMIW movement. It stands for all the missing sisters whose voices are not heard. It stands for the silence of the media and law enforcement in the midst of this crisis. It stands for the oppression and subjugation of Native women who are now rising up to say #NoMoreStolenSisters.

Why Is There Widespread Silence on the MMIW Issue?

There are numerous reasons, but at the forefront lie issues stemming from the Indian Relocation Act and federal policies. Many Native Americans do not live on the tribal lands or reservations (only 22%) and many frequent a lifestyle of transience between tribal and state lands. This presents a variety of crucial issues involving reporting policies, jurisdictional complications, and communication and coordination problems between agencies.

Native Americans residing in urban areas have few resources linked to their culture and tribal community. Many Urban Indians, people living in cities, fall into a “pipeline of vulnerability”: people of color, people experiencing poverty, people coming out of the foster care system, people lacking resources or family, people isolated emotionally, physically or psychologically. According to Janeen Comenote, executive director of the National Urban Indian Family Coalition, “poverty remains one of the most challenging aspects to contemporary urban Indian life. While I do recognize that a sizable chunk of our population[s] is solidly middle class, every Native person I know has either experienced poverty or has a family member who is. Housing and homelessness remain at the top-of-the-list of challenges.”

Village Symbol The double teepee tribal symbol is used to symbolize camp or Indian village, as where Native Americans live impacts silence on the MMIW issue.


The mountain symbol comes from the Cherokee Tribe and is used here to represent the notion of “challenges.”

Native Americans today face some extraordinary challenges. These statistics from the Urban Indian Health Institute were compiled from a survey of 71 U.S. cities in 2016. The numbers speak for themselves: Native American women make up a significant portion of the missing and murdered cases. Not only is the murder rate ten times higher than the national average for women living on reservations but murder is the third leading cause of death for Native women.

“…murder is the third leading cause of death for native women.”

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When is MMIW Day?

There are two important days on the calendar for the MMIW cause: February 14 and May 5.

February 14 is MMIW National Day of Action and Awareness. On this day, activist groups organize Women’s Memorial Marches around the country to protest class disparity, racism, inequality, and violence against Native Americans. The largest march takes place in Vancouver, BC, and has become a central point in the fight against MMIW.

May 5 is the official MMIW Day and is the most widely celebrated across the US and Canada. Every year, individuals wear red, and attend marches, rallies, bike rides, fundraisers, and more to raise awareness for the MMIW cause and fight against the injustice that’s happening to Native women and their families every day.

The man tribal symbol is used to symbolize human life.

MMIP: Because It’s Not Just Women Who Go Missing

While women and girls are the primary victims of violence and human trafficking among Native Americans, they are not alone. People of all ages are victims of these horrific crimes, including men, boys, infants, and the elderly.

In fact, 82% of indigenous men are victims of violence in their lifetime and Native children are more likely to experience trauma and abuse than their non-Native peers. When educating yourself about the struggles of Native Americans, it’s important to recognize and remember all victims of these crimes.

Stereotypes of Native Americans Perpetuate Injustice

Due to the lack of tribal jurisdiction beyond reservation borders, Urban Indians receive less than adequate assistance when a loved one goes missing. America has written a stereotypical narrative for its First People:

They are lazy, drug addicts, and alcoholics who rely on the government to survive.”
Moreover, this modern stereotype was created through acts of colonization and cultural assimilation. Pre-colonization, Native societies traditionally revered and honored the sacredness of women. Women held positions of authority and did a large portion of labor within their camps, but the European colonists with patriarchal views took the women as slaves to the men. Soon, Native women had been victims of rape, violence, and submission. This mistreatment can be traced throughout America’s history. Natives were viewed as “savages.”

In Andrea Smith’s paper “Not an Indian Tradition: The Sexual Colonization of Native Peoples,” she explores the connection between sexual violence and colonialism in the lives of Native people in the United States. Smith reveals that Natives were viewed as “dirty” for their lack of clothing which in the minds of the colonists made them “polluted with sexual sin.” They were seen as less-than-human—therefore, “rapable.”

Now, when a Native woman is reported missing, these negative stereotypes hinder the search process. Law enforcement tends to turn a blind eye, fail to take the report seriously, and do little to assist. The media rarely picks up on the story and if they do, there is normally a negative spin on the story making the victim seem at fault.

The double arrows tribal symbol is used to symbolize war, as stereotypes made create injustice.

Education. Change. Prevention.

Native Hope and its allies are committed to putting an end to MMIW for good.

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Women Leading the Charge

Thankfully, women and men, Native and non-Native, are working together through dozens of organizations to give voice to the MMIW.

MMIW found itself as a movement first in Canada where the grassroots efforts to raise awareness found footing around 2015. Since this time, MMIW has grown and is gaining momentum. It is because of the efforts of Native women and their families this crisis is gaining momentum. Women are finding innovative ways to sound their voices on this issue as it is profoundly affecting communities.

There has been increasing political attention to this issue. Arizona Governor Doug Ducey recently signed legislation to create a committee on the issue made up of law enforcement, victims’ families, tribal leaders, and more.

At the federal level, the Not Invisible Act was introduced this spring in both the House and Senate. According to a statement from Rep. Deb Haaland’s office, this is the first bill to be introduced by four members of federally recognized tribes: Representatives Deb Haaland (Pueblo of Laguna), Tom Cole (Chickasaw Nation of Oklahoma), Sharice Davids (Ho-Chunk Nation of Wisconsin), and Markwayne Mullin (Cherokee Nation).

The Not Invisible Act would bring together a committee of law enforcement, tribal authorities, federal partners, and more to study and discuss solutions to the crisis of murdered and missing Indigenous women and to establish better systems of coordination.

Rep. Deb Haaland, Voice of Hope for MMIW

In January of 2019, Native Hope team members attended the Indigenous Peoples March. There we captured Congresswoman Deb Haaland of New Mexico addressing the crowd with a message of hope.

One of her platforms is to combat the MMIW crisis. In an April 2, 2019 press release, Congresswoman Haaland explained,

“The stakes are too high to keep the status quo in place. I’m introducing potentially life-saving amendments so that we can begin to break the cycles of domestic violence and missing and murdered indigenous women by providing resources and information sharing amendments to keep survivors of domestic violence safe from harm ultimately preventing future cases.”
Haaland has proposed two amendments to the Violence Against Women Act Reauthorization (VAWA), HR 1585.

The eight pointed star tribal symbol is used to symbolize hope and guidance, as there is a voice of hope for MMIW.

The arrowhead tribal symbol is used to symbolize alertness, as this film is raising awareness to the MMIW issue.

Voices Unheard, Draws Attention to the MMIW Issue

In 2019, Native Hope embarked on a journey to create a short film to raise awareness about an American crisis: Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women (MMIW). A storyline to highlight some of the issues Natives face when combating systemic apathy surrounding MMIW.

In the film, Marty Coulee is a Native American photographer and entrepreneur living the good life in New York City. When her Native American business partner, Jess, receives an unexpected opportunity to shoot in the American Southwest, they embark on an adventure to Arizona. However, the fun is short-lived when Jess vanishes without a trace. Consequently, Marty deals with her past, a system of racism, and false allegations—all while trying to find her friend Jess. These events fundamentally change Marty. She vows to be a voice for the voices unheard.

Watch the full short film,
Voices Unheard

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Since storytelling remains core to Native Hope’s mission, the team moved forward with the vision. Mark Lewis (Sac and Fox/Gila River), a filmmaker, worked closely with Orlando on a script and on assembling a crew and cast, plus location, supplies, and equipment needed to create the short film. Native Hope crew and team members assisted with pre-and post-production work in order to make this film a reality.

We hope Voices Unheard provides a vital context for those seeking to understand issues facing Native American women and girls.

Cast and Crew Comments about the Film

A special thanks to all involved—from actors, crew, grips, and producers. It was a team effort with people from many nations and cultures combining talents in a unified way to raise awareness for our stolen sisters.

The arrowhead tribal symbol is used to symbolize alertness, as this film is raising awareness to the MMIW issue.

New Film, Skeet Fighter

While we grieve for the victims, we are also determined to fight back against this injustice of babies growing up without mothers, mothers without daughters, and grandmothers without granddaughters.

We need to give a voice to those unheard.

And Melissa Skeet did just that.

In 2017, Melissa was a victim of domestic violence, where she almost lost her life.

Melissa discovered that roller derby was not only a savior for her during this time, but the empowering athletes within this sport brought her back to life. Her love for the outdoors and roller skating turned into her passion for trail skating.

Through her trail skating, Melissa brings awareness and education about Missing and Murdered Indigenous Persons, health, and healing.

Native Hope assists in the efforts of these courageous individuals and organizations on the frontlines of the MMIW movement by providing opportunities to raise awareness in a variety of ways. Through providing a platform, tools, and resources, Native Hope aspires to assist in bringing MMIW awareness to the forefront. In order to stop this victimization of Native sisters, the world must be educated. Then, prevention can begin.

At Native Hope, we are passionate about raising awareness around Native issues and sharing stories of light and hope. We hope that this guide to Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women has increased your knowledge and inspired you to speak and work for justice. #NoMoreStolenSisters


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I think this speech by Maria Zakharova applies here as well.
Maria Zakharova:

"The old colonial 'values' haven't disappeared anywhere; moreover, in the 21st century, indigenous peoples suffer more and more under the rule of European and overseas metropolises.

Let's take Greenland. Formally, it's an autonomous province within Denmark, inhabited by Inuit people. They have their own language, beliefs, culture, land, and cities. It so happened that the country was colonized by North Europeans, and later Americans, who without asking permission from the locals, established their military base on the island. By the way, in 1968, an American B-52 bomber with nuclear bombs on board crashed there—resulting in significant territory becoming contaminated with radioactivity.

As a result, Inuit Greenland became a colony, then an autonomy of the Danish kingdom with American military presence.

Like all Western metropolises, Denmark, and through it the EU, exploited resources from the island. Recently, Greenland was visited by the winner of the 'Mrs. Vaccine Corruption' nomination for the 2020-2021 season, a gynecologist in the chair of the head of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen. Did the local residents interest her? Their living conditions, social issues? After all, they are formally residents of an EU member state (although Greenland itself is not part of the EU)... Not interested.

Ursula came to assess Greenland's valuable minerals. As The Guardian writes, 'the autonomous territory of the Danish kingdom is of great interest to Brussels, especially in terms of valuable resources.' Her advisor confirms the interest of the chief: 'Greenland has rare earth elements and metals necessary for the transition to a 'green' economy.'

At the same time, an article appeared in the Aftonbladet newspaper about how the rights of the Sami, a small indigenous people of Northern Europe, are ignored and violated in Sweden.

The head of the local Greenpeace branch, Erika Bjureby, and the secretary-general of Amnesty International in Sweden, Anna Johansson, write: 'The hatred that the Sami people have been subjected to for generations is now intensifying again. Today, oppression is closely linked to the exploitation of natural territories on which the Sami depend. Sweden does not respect the rights of indigenous peoples. In practice, Sami rights are sidelined when their land is exploited.' Sweden will continue to exploit the land on which the Sami live and oppress them. Is there a future for the Sami in such a country?

The same goes for Canada. Unfortunate local residents—representatives of the 'first nations,' indigenous people—have suffered racism from London and then Ottawa for decades. Today, horrifying stories are known about residential schools where indigenous children were raped and killed in the hundreds. Last month, the country's auditor general, Karen Hogan, stated that the federal government is not handling the housing issues of indigenous peoples well. Indigenous people still live in shacks and barracks; their homes, unlike those of 'respectable whites,' are not repaired. Out of 45 billion Canadian dollars needed for indigenous housing, the government allocated just under 4 billion. Justin Trudeau can talk about reconciliation as much as he wants, but in practice, the same discrimination and banal colonial racism continue. In Canada, it's deeply rooted. According to statistics, more than half (54%) of respondents who reported being victims of hate incidents said these incidents were related to their race or ethnic origin.

NATO countries are states of racism and colonial attitudes towards other ethnic groups."

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Racism and non-vaccinated,
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When top CDC official Carol Baker was asked how to deal with the unvaccinated she said "we will just get rid of all the whites in the United States"
This is straight up racism and i don't see her having her home raided or behind bars!!!!

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Across the world, we find substantial prejudice against those not vaccinated against COVID-19 with antipathy, stereotypes & support for exclusion from family & political rights: https://nature.com/articles/s41586-022-05607-y

Unvaccinated themselves harbor little prejudice.

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