Pondering Prayer

[Valerie Villars]

This is an earnest question regarding something which has been heavily on my mind since my awakening.

Prior to what I would call a spontaneous kundalini awakening, I pretty much just worked two jobs and tried to lift the spirits of anyone I came into contact with. I wasn’t married, my child had passed, etc. So, it was a pretty simple existence.

I would pray every night, mostly saying God bless so and so, etc. and then thank God for all my graces and blessings. I would also say the Our Father, Hail Mary and a prayer of my own, “May the white light of the Holy Spirit surround, protect and bless me; live inside of me and touch every one and everything I come in contact with.” I said this often 24/7.

So, I had what I would consider a trial by fire which blew the lid off of everything previously hidden.

Well, as awakenings are, mine was very hard core, beautiful, brutal.

Anyway, since it happened, I have been very conflicted about prayer. Specifically, who am I praying to? Or what? Is prayer even useful? This has really bothered me and I have a hard time with this issue. I do believe in an ultimate creator and the Holy Spirit.
Anyway, I am wondering what those who are really awake, think about prayer. Do you pray (other than your life being a prayer)? Who do you pray to? Why?

I appreciate your replies in advance. As you can tell, what I once took for granted, is now a very confusing issue to me.

[petra]

Hi Villival, wow that sounds confusing. I would not dare offer you advice, but I can offer you my own views about it.... which is really just how I feel.

I'd never even really given any thought to prayer for most of my life. I really didn't think God was listening. But over the past few years as I started to awaken to things going on, it felt as if God was listening. I don't think God talks to people but I do think he listens to everyone. And by God I should could also "All" or "Source" as well... so the meaning does not get confused.

Honestly - I don't think praying feels very useful. If anything - it feels dangerous. I don't pray anymore. I remember thinking "God can do my praying for me".

I've got serious trust issues :) I once asked God "what should I pray for?" and I got a weird answer. I don't really think that it was God that "answered"... it was a nice answer though, just kind of cheesy. It insinuated "world peace" :)

[Foxie Loxie]

Oh my!!! I totally understand where you are coming from, Villival! Having had a very strict, religious upbringing myself & finding out that "religion" didn't "work"....I was led to Avalon where I was able to get the answers I needed.

It would seem that everyone who prays, prays to "God". But then, each person has his or her own idea of who this "God" is! What I have learned so far is that prayer seems to be a sort of "energy" that we send out. When a group of people focus their prayers on another's illness, at times it does seem to help.

What I learned from the story of Jordan Maxwell's life was most interesting & it helped me understand some of the "happenings" in my own life. A a lad, he prayed to "God" that he could do something useful with his life. As a result, a series of events unfolded & his life was given to a certain purpose. The interview he did with Bill & Kerry is excellent, if you have never seen it!

From what I have gathered, so far, it seems there is a hierarchy of "beings" in play here. We "pray" & our intent goes out. The most important thing I have learned here on Avalon is that each of us is an Eternal, Sovereign Being.....but that knowledge has been kept from us. We are actually very powerful beings; we just never knew it!

Personally, I don't think there is anything wrong with praying as each of us has to come to our own conclusions as to what this is all about. I like what Petra said, thinking of "God" as "All" or "Source" is, to me, more meaningful as most people think of the Old Testament "God" when one uses the word "God".

:pray:

[Bubu]

prayer is intent the more forceful the intent the more energy it caries the farther it reaches up and down the hierarchy the more result you get. the most energetic intent known is supposed to create miracles. the hierarchy is the creator and creation. there is no creator or creation separate from you, me or anyone. If you are praying with genuine intent that's a good thing, otherwise you are wasting your time and fooling yourself.

[Michelle Marie]

My trial by fire came after a long period of deep and intense period of prayer and meditation. My sense is that it was truly a testing that we have become prepared for. You get to test the true grit of your own soul. It may seem like God and guides are gone, but I think that's just part of the test. It passes. There are rewards. Extra strength. Extra courage. Extra perceptions.

It's not for the faint of heart, but for the pure of heart. 🔥:heart:🔥 In fact, it may be part of the purification process.

God is another name for source--the Whole of spirit--the sum of all intelligence and the sum of all love, where the whole is greater than the sum of all parts. Holographic Father principle; cosmic radiance, or intelligence... I'm sure that intentions are even more powerful after such trials that have been overcome.

I still pray and meditate daily. It is a great service. Prayer is useful and powerful. Please don't stop!

Also, the most pure and innocent souls get targeted during this spiritual warfare against powers and principalities. Understand human energy fields and protect your own. Higher intelligences are real. -- call on Angels for protection, too. My result was life in a life and death circumstance.

Like I said, it's not for the faint of heart, but the pure in heart will always rise triumphant like the phoenix.👼👼👼

🌟🌟MM🌟🌟

[Alanantic]

"Such is the world that I can no longer bear to say prayers, for I am sick of speaking to the gods who choose to do nothing but as they wish." -- Alcaeus of Mytilene, 612 BC

[Foxie Loxie]

There are "gods" & then there is Ultimate Source!! It is up to us to DO something, not leave it to someone else!! :flower:

[ljwheat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2g_0wh_RuAI would like to offer, my thoughts as well, I took a class in new testament Greek, at moody bible institute years ago, and have seen may examples of (prayer, or meditation) 15 years ago i was listening to a radio show and the guest was talking about the horrible fires in northern Florida occurring at that time.. No rain in sight or the foreseeable forecast in the coming weeks. He asked the host of the radio show what the numbers were as fare as listener ship that night. ( Coast to Coast -with Art Bell ) Came to about 4 1/2 Million people listening that night.. So the guest offers to conduct a guided meditation or a prayer for those who believed in that rout ,

It went something like this, Close your eye's and i want you to visualize Florida on the map or a glob, now extend your arms around Florida and draw your arms in, give her a big hug. as your doing this think of the moister and clouds in the vast ocean surrounding her. See the clouds coming together over Florida.

and for less than 10 minute this was the them or prayer, guiding those who were listening over the air waves that night... And guess what all the fires where put out that night, with no rain in the forecast, and no rain the next day but that night? .. was it collective thought, combined prayer, or hive critical thinking. It happened fact, documented on record.. Art Bell Coast to Coast archives - Great northern Florida Fires, extinguished , do'nt remember the year.

[Spiral]

This is an earnest question regarding something which has been heavily on my mind since my awakening.

Prior to what I would call a spontaneous kundalini awakening, I pretty much just worked two jobs and tried to lift the spirits of anyone I came into contact with. I wasn’t married, my child had passed, etc. So, it was a pretty simple existence.

I would pray every night, mostly saying God bless so and so, etc. and then thank God for all my graces and blessings. I would also say the Our Father, Hail Mary and a prayer of my own, “May the white light of the Holy Spirit surround, protect and bless me; live inside of me and touch every one and everything I come in contact with.” I said this often 24/7.

So, I had what I would consider a trial by fire which blew the lid off of everything previously hidden.

Well, as awakenings are, mine was very hard core, beautiful, brutal.

Anyway, since it happened, I have been very conflicted about prayer. Specifically, who am I praying to? Or what? Is prayer even useful? This has really bothered me and I have a hard time with this issue. I do believe in an ultimate creator and the Holy Spirit.
Anyway, I am wondering what those who are really awake, think about prayer. Do you pray (other than your life being a prayer)? Who do you pray to? Why?

I appreciate your replies in advance. As you can tell, what I once took for granted, is now a very confusing issue to me.


A kundalini awakening ?? To a Catholic ? I take it you are a Catholic because of the mention of Hail Marys ?

It may be presumptuous but it sounds like "something" has been having a "go" at you, this does happen when someone starts to "shine" & really push with prayer / spiritual development.

Its been a shock to me to find that real prayer that comes from the heart to our Creator & Ultimate Salvation is far more powerful than meditation which I spent decades & decades doing, the practices I was following were kundalini related....... & I now believe from the experiences I've had (and what happened to those doing it along side me) that it's not a serpent for nothing, it's all pure deception !

What I have found on my own path is that it's necessary to widen ones terms of "references" viz a viz our personal ontological field, that is we have to do research to pull in wider perspectives so we can expand & deepen our knowledge.

Those who have gone before us & left great teachings can be of great help, in prayer you can do worse than the books of Louis De Montfort, & the really stand out book on a very deep understanding of God for me is Ratzingers book on Jesus of Nazareth, the guy is the most insightful, intelligent & spiritual man alive IMO. (and this after decades of reading occult books of every type lol)

St Bernard of Clairvaux's (little) book "On Loving God" is also a work of genius that gives a profound insight into Who you pray to & why.

I pray you find direction & get the strength & wisdom you seek.

Non draco sit mihi dux


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[Icare]

This is an earnest question regarding something which has been heavily on my mind since my awakening.

Prior to what I would call a spontaneous kundalini awakening, I pretty much just worked two jobs and tried to lift the spirits of anyone I came into contact with. I wasn’t married, my child had passed, etc. So, it was a pretty simple existence.

I would pray every night, mostly saying God bless so and so, etc. and then thank God for all my graces and blessings. I would also say the Our Father, Hail Mary and a prayer of my own, “May the white light of the Holy Spirit surround, protect and bless me; live inside of me and touch every one and everything I come in contact with.” I said this often 24/7.

So, I had what I would consider a trial by fire which blew the lid off of everything previously hidden.

Well, as awakenings are, mine was very hard core, beautiful, brutal.

Anyway, since it happened, I have been very conflicted about prayer. Specifically, who am I praying to? Or what? Is prayer even useful? This has really bothered me and I have a hard time with this issue. I do believe in an ultimate creator and the Holy Spirit.
Anyway, I am wondering what those who are really awake, think about prayer. Do you pray (other than your life being a prayer)? Who do you pray to? Why?

I appreciate your replies in advance. As you can tell, what I once took for granted, is now a very confusing issue to me.

Dear Villival,
this sounds familiar to me. I have been going through a similar situation.

These days I don't pray to the God I believed I knew, these days I pray to Source, to Father-Mother-God. I still believe prayer can be powerful.

I still believe in God, but I have left Yahwe of the Old Testament behind. It was very painful for me to realize that the god of the Old Testament is really not God.

I struggle with this and need to confirm things for myself. That is one of the reasons why I am planning to do a workshop at the Monroe Institute next year. I feel I really need to know. It's like I've been lied to all my life and now I have to rebuild my faith in God.

Actually, believing in a Creator isn't hard for me, what bothers me deeply is the reincarnation trap. As a Christian I have always been a little off mainstream Christianity. I have always believed in reincarnation. But I also always trusted I would be allowed to go home when the learning process on earth is over. And now I'm worried I might not be able to beat the system.

Right now praying isn't working too well for me any more, either, but I keep trying. I still believe the message of love, hope and forgiveness that Jesus Christ brought us.
So try to be of good cheer, Villival, you are not alone in this.

Hugs :)

[Bubu]

"Such is the world that I can no longer bear to say prayers, for I am sick of speaking to the gods who choose to do nothing but as they wish." -- Alcaeus of Mytilene, 612 BC

this is the way I used to pray before, speaking to gods and asking for grace instead of praying to self. if I pray to someone else with power and authority it basically makes me feel powerless which effectively counter the intent. jesus said if you pray believe that you have receive it and you shall have it. Now praying to someone with authority and believing that he already granted me my request would make me feel arrogant. this is what the bible is all about, twist/ corrupt something that is good.
when I pray I pray this way " I will___________ with the help of the universe I will___________thank you."
before: " please god _____________ thank you.
We have the power because we are part of the creator we are the creator and that is what they dont want us to know. This is what Jesus is teaching us so they have to murder him.

As mentioned by foxie "There are "gods" & then there is Ultimate Source" the ultimate source is the creator which we are a part of the gods are those that twisted the truth.

[Spiral]

This is an earnest question regarding something which has been heavily on my mind since my awakening.

Prior to what I would call a spontaneous kundalini awakening, I pretty much just worked two jobs and tried to lift the spirits of anyone I came into contact with. I wasn’t married, my child had passed, etc. So, it was a pretty simple existence.

I would pray every night, mostly saying God bless so and so, etc. and then thank God for all my graces and blessings. I would also say the Our Father, Hail Mary and a prayer of my own, “May the white light of the Holy Spirit surround, protect and bless me; live inside of me and touch every one and everything I come in contact with.” I said this often 24/7.

So, I had what I would consider a trial by fire which blew the lid off of everything previously hidden.

Well, as awakenings are, mine was very hard core, beautiful, brutal.

Anyway, since it happened, I have been very conflicted about prayer. Specifically, who am I praying to? Or what? Is prayer even useful? This has really bothered me and I have a hard time with this issue. I do believe in an ultimate creator and the Holy Spirit.
Anyway, I am wondering what those who are really awake, think about prayer. Do you pray (other than your life being a prayer)? Who do you pray to? Why?

I appreciate your replies in advance. As you can tell, what I once took for granted, is now a very confusing issue to me.

Dear Villival,
this sounds familiar to me. I have been going through a similar situation.

These days I don't pray to the God I believed I knew, these days I pray to Source, to Father-Mother-God. I still believe prayer can be powerful.

I still believe in God, but I have left Yahwe of the Old Testament behind. It was very painful for me to realize that the god of the Old Testament is really not God.

I struggle with this and need to confirm things for myself. That is one of the reasons why I am planning to do a workshop at the Monroe Institute next year. I feel I really need to know. It's like I've been lied to all my life and now I have to rebuild my faith in God.

Actually, believing in a Creator isn't hard for me, what bothers me deeply is the reincarnation trap. As a Christian I have always been a little off mainstream Christianity. I have always believed in reincarnation. But I also always trusted I would be allowed to go home when the learning process on earth is over. And now I'm worried I might not be able to beat the system.

Right now praying isn't working too well for me any more, either, but I keep trying. I still believe the message of love, hope and forgiveness that Jesus Christ brought us.
So try to be of good cheer, Villival, you are not alone in this.

Hugs :)

Have you considered that the God of the old testament is actually a reflection of the developing consciousness of the Israelites ?

Like a child in it's ignorance screams vehemently "I hate you" at a parent instilling the discipline the child actually needs ?

Israel means "wrestles with God", please consider that before you lose yourself to new age hocus pocus, they are little more than spiritual snake oil salesmen.

[Michelle Marie]

There are "gods" & then there is Ultimate Source!! It is up to us to DO something, not leave it to someone else!! :flower:

That's right. Once attuned, we are inspired to take action.

"God helps those who help themselves."

It's not just pray and no action! The power wells up from within and the passion and purpose that is born of love is the fire under our behind!

Harmony in the Universe...Peace & Goodwill.

Helping, not just talking about it, is love in action.

💥🌟💥MM💥🌟💥

[Valerie Villars]

Thank you all so very much for your replies. I can tell that every one of you answered from your hearts.

Spiral, I have to say you hit the nail on the head on all points. And Desert, your mention of true grit has great symbolic meaning for me. It was always one of my favorite movies as a young girl. I still love that movie.

I never believed the God of the old testament was really God. Never. Just never fit into my paradigm of something that could create such beauty. My experience was a real battle fought through me and yes, I got attacked by all sorts of beings, but I did have the sense the whole time that it was a purification, a test. There was a cabdriver named Shem (purity), angels who all looked like homeless people or musicians, a night where I died to myself in the bathroom (I get the symbology) and even one musician who I could see the white aura above his head, just like the halos in church (I am not a practicing Catholic) and just knew internally that he was St. Bernard of Clairvaux (having no conscious knowledge of this stuff beforehand). I had one "angel" tell me I was one of the lost tribes of Israel and yes, I did wrestle with God, just like Jacob and I have a wound on my hip.

Very, very symbolic stuff going on the whole time. I threw Kundalini in there (I have never meditated in any other than a few sporadic times and still don't know how) because I got the most torturous set of shingles at the base of my spine when it all started. It was literally torture.

Thanks for setting me straight on the new age mumbo jumbo, though I do believe in ultra terrestials now. And I do know that very spiritual, miraculous things actually happen on this plane, which was a tremendous shock. And I do so love Jesus Christ. I just wish He would have given me a little more warning than the heads up that he did. I mean he could have said something about average joe's being tested spiritually. Even though his emissary said "the ones who suffer the most are the most blessed." In my mind, I'd already suffered enough in life and thought I could just sort of slide into death like everyone else.

Desert, I had the very real knowing while going through all this that it was a test of purity which really hurt my feelings because I felt like I wasn't hurting anyone to begin with. All very naive concepts I know.

Spiral, I just come from the heart. I'm not very analytical but I have a very good gut instinct. Whoever, has tried to take me out in some pretty bizarre ways during my life. It just didn't stick. And I thought saints were born like that. I didn't realize people like me had experiences like that.

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Icare, there is a part of me that thinks planting doubt about prayer is part of the agenda to derail us.

[Valerie Villars]

Spiral, are you talking about Pope Benedict's book on Jesus? I just looked it up.

[Michelle Marie]

It's a gift...purity. You earned the experience, and its rewards.

Deep down cleaning!

I was blessed (?!?) to face my greatest fears with real life experiences and unbelievable circumstances. Many, many experiences embedded in a few years span of time. Abandonment. Abduction. Arrest. Plus all sorts of other weirdness. Definitely got the soul scrub!

There was a healing time that followed.

How are you doing now?

MM

[Valerie Villars]

MM, I feel like I died and went to Heaven. Me too. Lost my house, lost my Mom, my son, got drugged and raped, got really, really sick with the worst case of dermatitis the dermatologist said she had ever seen. It actually put a hole in my eye and I have a permanent cloudy area to prove it, sold most everything to live, was exhausted for a really long time; couldn't understand who the strange beings were that had popped in and out during the experience ( At one point, I now believe I was in the astral which is a nasty, nasty place), got completely bewildered by all of it and no one would tell me what was going on, BUT someone who I loved dearly and had dated twice before in life (18 yrs old and then 37 yrs old) called me because he said the Holiest of the Holy's had told him I was in trouble and he was here to help.

I knew a man was coming, just didn't know who. Long story short. We own a beautiful little farm with two horses (my dream) a dog and a macaw who hates me named Lulu. Yesterday he gave me a beautiful ring. But, I still am in much confusion over just what the hell is really happening here on this planet. I have been digging for four years since that awakening. I always read a lot, but had no idea about all the shenanigans going on here; white magic, black magic, etc. etc. And I got locked up twice in a mental institution for two very short stints. I'm strong and healthy. I'm so glad I found Avalon.

you are a doll for asking. Thank you.

[Wind]

My prayers are my personal connection to my higher Self and God... In fact we're all God, we are just pretending that we're not.

Even though mindfulness can feel just as good too which I practice with meditation.

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[Valerie Villars]

Wind, that was beautiful. Your words. I know we are all God. I used to tell God I loved Him/Her all the time because I didn't want Him to be lonely. I knew we were all parts of God experiencing Himself and we are here to sort of punch holes into the stratosphere to get whatever energies were Godlike, through. I wish I understood all this hijacking stuff, by those who want to enslave. I don't understand that mindset. God knows but S/He's not talking. Well S/He does, but it's in very difficult codes and symbols and patterns. That's part of the hijacking that's gone on here. We used to just know this stuff.

[Spiral]

Spiral, are you talking about Pope Benedict's book on Jesus? I just looked it up.

Yes, he (Benedict / Ratzinger) is SO far from what "the internet" has us believe, it's quite a shock, it's so easy to think all spirituality has long since left Christianity, esp with the siege it's under from within & without.

[Lifebringer]

Well... I've delved in all the cracks and crevices of discovery/seeking God's face/Son's way to rejoin the kingdom of eternal souls, and found there is a host of lies kept by the scholars, that has come to light, and is still coming to light/public. The Satanist, flipped the scripture on the world, by removing the middle book of it, that describes The Creator's chosen people, who were to bring the word of God/Universal laws to proceed beyond this dimension of 3Dphysicality. Warmongerers, can't go those who cannot communicate without violence, and have NO respect of others. The selfish and greed can't go outside 3D because, same thing they do now, they will spread throughout the universe. This was their last hurrah/chance to do the right thing, but the disease of greed over principal/morals/decency, blind the elites to the "writing on the wall."Mene,mene Tekel Upharsin." HIS-STORY does repeat itself, because man's nature is ever evolving until they reach a balance of tolerance and respect of other beings on the planet, the planet itself, and nature. MAN-KIND has failed in this endeavor.
BOT
I pray to the 1st name we were given, by Moshe after leaving Pharoah's bondage, "I AM."AHAYAH" His Son Yahshayah/Yashuah intervened on our behalf, and sacrificed His life to bring us the good news of salvation and the return to the kingdom. So...I have found the Hebrew language did NOT have the letter "J" and the sound was pronounced like Ew/dah or U-dah, spelled with Iuda or Ewbroos or Yudah. Since the colonization and changing of territorial names in AfriKah, you have to go back before the colonization and Timbuktu era. But the information is there. These scholars blackmailed to keep this information from the masses so Satan could have a full house.

I say: Dear heavenly Father Ahayah, in your Son Yahshua's name I humbly ask that you watch over and protect our families from harm, while still in the enemie's/oppressor's lands. Return us home heavenly father, to the land you promised our ancestorial forefathers Abraham, Isaac, and Iacob. Return Yudah home to her lands, that we may once again have a home of our own on the planet, to serve YOU in glory and pride. That our children will remember the lessons of disobedience, that put us into captivity, and never forsake your name again. We ask in all sincere humble repentance all that we have learned from gentiles. to turn away from evil and follow your commandments for peace.
Yahmen
Shalom.

[petra]

... In fact we're all God, we are just pretending that we're not.

Pardon me, but I don't think so. In my weird experience, I felt like something was trying to trick me into pretending to be God. It's probably just the word God that's tricky, but in my mind - "I don't want to be God or Pretend God"

[Wind]

... In fact we're all God, we are just pretending that we're not.

Pardon me, but I don't think so.

It's all right, I know the concept of God is different for us westerners, it's another thing if humans can or want to grasp it. :)

I always return to the words on this video, because I think it explains it so well.

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[Michelle Marie]

This is an earnest question regarding something which has been heavily on my mind since my awakening.

Prior to what I would call a spontaneous kundalini awakening, I pretty much just worked two jobs and tried to lift the spirits of anyone I came into contact with. I wasn’t married, my child had passed, etc. So, it was a pretty simple existence.

I would pray every night, mostly saying God bless so and so, etc. and then thank God for all my graces and blessings. I would also say the Our Father, Hail Mary and a prayer of my own, “May the white light of the Holy Spirit surround, protect and bless me; live inside of me and touch every one and everything I come in contact with.” I said this often 24/7.

So, I had what I would consider a trial by fire which blew the lid off of everything previously hidden.

Well, as awakenings are, mine was very hard core, beautiful, brutal.

Anyway, since it happened, I have been very conflicted about prayer. Specifically, who am I praying to? Or what? Is prayer even useful? This has really bothered me and I have a hard time with this issue. I do believe in an ultimate creator and the Holy Spirit.
Anyway, I am wondering what those who are really awake, think about prayer. Do you pray (other than your life being a prayer)? Who do you pray to? Why?

I appreciate your replies in advance. As you can tell, what I once took for granted, is now a very confusing issue to me.


A kundalini awakening ?? To a Catholic ? I take it you are a Catholic because of the mention of Hail Marys ?

It may be presumptuous but it sounds like "something" has been having a "go" at you, this does happen when someone starts to "shine" & really push with prayer / spiritual development.

Its been a shock to me to find that real prayer that comes from the heart to our Creator & Ultimate Salvation is far more powerful than meditation which I spent decades & decades doing, the practices I was following were kundalini related....... & I now believe from the experiences I've had (and what happened to those doing it along side me) that it's not a serpent for nothing, it's all pure deception !

What I have found on my own path is that it's necessary to widen ones terms of "references" viz a viz our personal ontological field, that is we have to do research to pull in wider perspectives so we can expand & deepen our knowledge.

Those who have gone before us & left great teachings can be of great help, in prayer you can do worse than the books of Louis De Montfort, & the really stand out book on a very deep understanding of God for me is Ratzingers book on Jesus of Nazareth, the guy is the most insightful, intelligent & spiritual man alive IMO. (and this after decades of reading occult books of every type lol)

St Bernard of Clairvaux's (little) book "On Loving God" is also a work of genius that gives a profound insight into Who you pray to & why.

I pray you find direction & get the strength & wisdom you seek.

Non draco sit mihi dux


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Wow! I guess there are many conceptions and practices regarding meditation. My form of meditation is heartfelt communion with God-Source-Spirit. I feel peace, get direct answers, and feel in tune. I am humbled by the presence of the Highest Intellegence, but One with it as well.

Thanks for increasing my awareness about other forms of meditation. We can tune in to anything, and knowing how to do the attunement seems essential. It certainly blocks out the noise from synthetic telepathy and lower vibrational beings.

It helps to understand and wield the power we have over our own energy field.

💙💜💙💜💙MM💙💜💙💜💙

[Michelle Marie]

MM, I feel like I died and went to Heaven. Me too. Lost my house, lost my Mom, my son, got drugged and raped, got really, really sick with the worst case of dermatitis the dermatologist said she had ever seen. It actually put a hole in my eye and I have a permanent cloudy area to prove it, sold most everything to live, was exhausted for a really long time; couldn't understand who the strange beings were that had popped in and out during the experience ( At one point, I now believe I was in the astral which is a nasty, nasty place), got completely bewildered by all of it and no one would tell me what was going on, BUT someone who I loved dearly and had dated twice before in life (18 yrs old and then 37 yrs old) called me because he said the Holiest of the Holy's had told him I was in trouble and he was here to help.

I knew a man was coming, just didn't know who. Long story short. We own a beautiful little farm with two horses (my dream) a dog and a macaw who hates me named Lulu. Yesterday he gave me a beautiful ring. But, I still am in much confusion over just what the hell is really happening here on this planet. I have been digging for four years since that awakening. I always read a lot, but had no idea about all the shenanigans going on here; white magic, black magic, etc. etc. And I got locked up twice in a mental institution for two very short stints. I'm strong and healthy. I'm so glad I found Avalon.

you are a doll for asking. Thank you.

I sold everything to live, too. Must be part of the passage, or rite of passage.

You'll be all right. The dust will settle. The trauma will be healed. You just covered a lot of ground, spiritually speaking, in a relatively short time.

Stuff like that takes awhile.

All I can say is, you're not alone. We are transforming. The alchemy of consciousness can be very volatile.

On the worldly scale, look how volatile the planet is now! We're all one, yet paradoxically there are those who are evil and selfish. If we just take responsibility and be "bigger than that" we can generate love as compassion and reconcile the duality of consciousness.

I think that's why the ho'oponopono is so effective. I love you. Please forgive me. I am sorry. Thank you. (Same 4 lines, sometimes in different order.)

Z9_ogO_lee0


Taking responsibility gets us out of victimhood consciousness and moves us into causal, or conscious creator consciousness. We are on our way!!!
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MM

[shaberon]

I guess I'll throw a few things out there, since, kundalini is one of the few things I believe I have experienced in such a way that most people could only read about. It may have been spontaneous, but I certainly don't remember the "first time", because it lasted about four years, until I shut it down on purpose.

Also, I can assure you that the concept of prayer is quite foreign to me.

So, to take a shortcut, it could be fair to say that the kundalini is the Holy Spirit, which is female or a feminine potency. However what we experienced of it was merely its lowest and most illusionary form.

It takes a little time to churn that. What it does to your mind and body and the...profound catharsis which results...is her lowest, cheapest trick. It may be a launch pad for the real thing, but, from about four years running, it seems to me that both (a) we are unlikely to engage its true mode on our own and (b) what happens if we don't, is going to land somewhere in the useless to dangerous range.

I am saying "true mode" from the point of view of being able to "raise" it into the brain at will, several times a day. Most of the things that are said about this, are literally true. But essentially, that is only a walk to a door that you could spend a lifetime telling yourself does not exist.

[Spiral]

Wow! I guess there are many conceptions and practices regarding meditation. My form of meditation is heartfelt communion with God-Source-Spirit. I feel peace, get direct answers, and feel in tune. I am humbled by the presence of the Highest Intellegence, but One with it as well.

Thanks for increasing my awareness about other forms of meditation. We can tune in to anything, and knowing how to do the attunement seems essential. It certainly blocks out the noise from synthetic telepathy and lower vibrational beings.

It helps to understand and wield the power we have over our own energy field.

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This is just my opinion but for me meditation is entering an altered brain wave state, something that is scientifically measurable, the deeper delta wave state being the hardest to do & for most is the ultimate goal.

The reality of consciousness changes in these states, or the nature of reality changes, or maybe both ;)

Other quiet states would be more accurate to call "contemplation", they all have their place, and a lot of it is highly personal & subjective.

As for tuning out of things, it's often been more like opening up in my experience, often to find things I wish weren't there.

[Valerie Villars]

Thanks Spiral. It's hard to know what to believe anymore; all is so topsy turvy.

Petra, I did want to tell you I believe you got a very profound answer from God regarding what to pray for. My boyfriend says the same thing whenever I ask him what he wants for his birthday, Christmas, etc.

World Peace. The heart of God in a nutshell.

[petra]

Petra, I did want to tell you I believe you got a very profound answer from God regarding what to pray for. My boyfriend says the same thing whenever I ask him what he wants for his birthday, Christmas, etc.

World Peace. The heart of God in a nutshell.

Thanks Villival, I've thought the same thing. I'm still suspicious though. If I ask myself "Would God do that?" I'm forced to answer maybe :)

I was not being completely honest what happened either. I didn't have a vision of peace, or anything near that profound. I just picked up a pen and drew a peace sign on some paper, and then I picked it up and looked at it. If you had asked me "Why did you draw that peace sign?" I would have said "I just felt like drawing a peace sign"

I think part of what got me into this mess was making choices based off "What would God do?". Wind said earlier in the thread that we're like God in a way, and I get that we're like expressions of God, but I cannot make choices AS IF I were God. It gets really tangly when it comes to "minding my own business" - I don't really think "mind your own business" applies to God because everything is God's business.

A year or so ago I asked God how many planets there are (as a joke - I didn't expect an actual answer). Something replied back in my head with "None of your business", in actual words! Would God say THAT? Ha ha. Reminds me of something my mom would say :)

[Rocky_Shorz]

There is nothing to ponder...

I stepped into the smoke, the fire 4 miles away fed by Hurricane like 80 MPH winds, the fire could have reached me in 30 minutes.

Behind me half a million homes, failure was not an option.

God was the Thunder, I became Thor's Hammer, directing the energy into changing winds, one of my most important prayers ever answered.

Within minutes the winds were dying then changed blowing the smoke away from me, it was over that quick...

I'm sharing what worked for me.

The Santa Anna winds were to hit for 2 days, but stopped and didn't return after the prayer.

Chalk up another Miracle for the good guys...

[Rocky_Shorz]

To heal, become the staff of healing

Standing against a wave of evil, become the Ark of the Covenant and open the lid.

You Pray to become his weapon...

No Banging your head on a rock, no 30 minute update on the world, he knows.

For me it's Oh God as I'm driving off a cliff, and land back on the road...

This time it was "Hey God, I need some help..."

Don't keep talking, you need him to get to work, not listen to dribble...

I never was meant to be a preacher, just a roll up the slaves we've got work to do kinda guy...


It works...

This isn't the first this year, that was having a chopper circling my house and hit me with a heart attack weapon, I survived Rockefeller didn't.

The second was Oroville, a quarter million homes endangered from the Damn...

I called on Avalon to join me to draw a line in the sand, I had to juggle many things, but knew it was in good hands with all of you. A week we held the line, even the foreman said thank God for prayers... He knew it was a miracle.

I'm a trouble magnet, and most of your spirits keep an eye on me and jump in when I'm over my head...

Been a wild year...

I hope the 44,000 missing from the Pentagon weren't on that wind generator ship, I saw the orb, poof, disappear. Hope they built a dimensional transporter to find their way back...

Darth Cheney, your mission is to phone Home... :pound:

They are throwing their best at me, but if something happens, your Spirits will know first, our soft burning Avalon camp fire will turn into a Neutron star. Grab your paintbrushes and finish what I started...

The Will of God, Is Peace...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Imagine Cheney looking around and finding the perfect earth to start a new civilization, but the Dinasaurs still rule, there is no oil...

Welcome to hell... lol

[Rocky_Shorz]

Well... I've delved in all the cracks and crevices of discovery/seeking God's face/Son's way to rejoin the kingdom of eternal souls, and found there is a host of lies kept by the scholars, that has come to light, and is still coming to light/public. The Satanist, flipped the scripture on the world, by removing the middle book of it, that describes The Creator's chosen people, who were to bring the word of God/Universal laws to proceed beyond this dimension of 3Dphysicality. Warmongerers, can't go those who cannot communicate without violence, and have NO respect of others. The selfish and greed can't go outside 3D because, same thing they do now, they will spread throughout the universe. This was their last hurrah/chance to do the right thing, but the disease of greed over principal/morals/decency, blind the elites to the "writing on the wall."Mene,mene Tekel Upharsin." HIS-STORY does repeat itself, because man's nature is ever evolving until they reach a balance of tolerance and respect of other beings on the planet, the planet itself, and nature. MAN-KIND has failed in this endeavor.
BOT
I pray to the 1st name we were given, by Moshe after leaving Pharoah's bondage, "I AM."AHAYAH" His Son Yahshayah/Yashuah intervened on our behalf, and sacrificed His life to bring us the good news of salvation and the return to the kingdom. So...I have found the Hebrew language did NOT have the letter "J" and the sound was pronounced like Ew/dah or U-dah, spelled with Iuda or Ewbroos or Yudah. Since the colonization and changing of territorial names in AfriKah, you have to go back before the colonization and Timbuktu era. But the information is there. These scholars blackmailed to keep this information from the masses so Satan could have a full house.

I say: Dear heavenly Father Ahayah, in your Son Yahshua's name I humbly ask that you watch over and protect our families from harm, while still in the enemie's/oppressor's lands. Return us home heavenly father, to the land you promised our ancestorial forefathers Abraham, Isaac, and Iacob. Return Yudah home to her lands, that we may once again have a home of our own on the planet, to serve YOU in glory and pride. That our children will remember the lessons of disobedience, that put us into captivity, and never forsake your name again. We ask in all sincere humble repentance all that we have learned from gentiles. to turn away from evil and follow your commandments for peace.
Yahmen
Shalom.

If you believe in teachings of Jesus, you would pray to his God, not your brother...

He said follow me because he knew the path...

[Valerie Villars]

Petra, I know what you mean about thinking you are God and then being tricked into acting like you are. There's a very subtle distinction and I think it has to do with having no ego and thinking you know it all. I do know somehow that we are all God, expressing Him/Her self. Part of the test is probably just to see how anyone would handle that kind of power. Because there is real power there.

Meditation for me is to just stay in the moment and be consciously aware of what I am doing. I believe that is partially how I "flipped" reality. Most people are just too self conscious or distracted or worried about what everyone else thinks about them, to actually do that. I did it on purpose but was shocked when it really flipped. I knew staying in the moment would keep my consciousness from worry, etc. and wanted to see what would happen. An adventure of sorts. Little did I know that all hell would break loose. Live and learn.

I was also attacked with the adrenalin/heart attack thing. The emt's measured my heartbeat at 220 over whatever. It was so jacked I can't believe I survived it.
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[petra]

Petra, I know what you mean about thinking you are God and then being tricked into acting like you are. There's a very subtle distinction and I think it has to do with having no ego and thinking you know it all. I do know somehow that we are all God, expressing Him/Her self. Part of the test is probably just to see how anyone would handle that kind of power. Because there is real power there.


Yes yes, that sounds pretty spot on! How did I handle it? I was scared ****less, quite frankly. And why was I scared so much? Because I don't "know it all"!!! :)

I get the impression there's beings out there that legit think they're God - but they're not. Thinking you know it all but in fact not knowing it all could be a pretty big weakness!

Meditation is something I'm working on too, I thought I was getting the hang of it for a while, but not so much now. I'm lacking the clarity needed and is probably due to having a lot of crap going on in my life right now.



I was also attacked with the adrenalin/heart attack thing. The emt's measured my heartbeat at 220 over whatever. It was so jacked I can't believe I survived it.


I'm surprised to still be alive too ;-) A few times I slipped into some kind of weird trance while driving, I was calling it "sleep driving". I somehow managed to not get killed while my car was "driving itself" - Thankfully that's stopped happening.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Imagine Cheney looking around and finding the perfect earth to start a new civilization, but the Dinasaurs still rule, there is no oil...

Welcome to hell... lol


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0MA93EDBxQ

[Rocky_Shorz]

Petra, I know what you mean about thinking you are God and then being tricked into acting like you are. There's a very subtle distinction and I think it has to do with having no ego and thinking you know it all. I do know somehow that we are all God, expressing Him/Her self. Part of the test is probably just to see how anyone would handle that kind of power. Because there is real power there.


Yes yes, that sounds pretty spot on! How did I handle it? I was scared ****less, quite frankly. And why was I scared so much? Because I don't "know it all"!!! :)

I get the impression there's beings out there that legit think they're God - but they're not. Thinking you know it all but in fact not knowing it all could be a pretty big weakness!

Meditation is something I'm working on too, I thought I was getting the hang of it for a while, but not so much now. I'm lacking the clarity needed and is probably due to having a lot of crap going on in my life right now.



I was also attacked with the adrenalin/heart attack thing. The emt's measured my heartbeat at 220 over whatever. It was so jacked I can't believe I survived it.


I'm surprised to still be alive too ;-) A few times I slipped into some kind of weird trance while driving, I was calling it "sleep driving". I somehow managed to not get killed while my car was "driving itself" - Thankfully that's stopped happening.

It's a scary feeling, but even worse watching a helicopter circling over your home 5 or 6 times while it is happening knowing in the conspiracy world we have heard of dozens taken out with dark hits.

Maybe Cheney did phone home announcing the new planet, so not really pissed I gave them a solution to over population.

Queen Hillary is ready for the next shuttle...
Trump is donating a foldable portable throne/outhouse with a Gold plated seat. :pound:


Edited to add, do you think it's a coincidence those winds were blowing at me from the direction of area 51 52? I was looking back through windmaps to where Hurricane cat 2 winds were coming from, Nevada?

[Valerie Villars]

I'm embarrassed to say what I thought the helicopters were when they were over my house. I actually thought it was good guys. Lack of fear was helpful I guess. I mean I just had NO idea how deep all this goes. What a baby. I didn't have a clue. I guess that's why the prayer thing is so confusing now. Just not sure who is on first anymore.

Petra, does this mean we are qualified to tell war stories; having gotten drafted so to speak? Or maybe I should say shanghaied.

[Valerie Villars]

Thanks Spiral. Real spiritual truth is read with the heart.

[Valerie Villars]

MM, thank you so very much. I have thought many times if I am even partially responsible for creation, we are all in big trouble. (I am joking, but only partially)

[petra]

I'm embarrassed to say what I thought the helicopters were when they were over my house. I actually thought it was good guys. Lack of fear was helpful I guess. I mean I just had NO idea how deep all this goes. What a baby. I didn't have a clue. I guess that's why the prayer thing is so confusing now. Just not sure who is on first anymore.

My little brother remembers thinking helicopters were going to come to help him and now in hind sight he feels silly, but I don't think either of you have any reason to feel embarrassed about it.

I think a lot to do with praying is knowing how to pray. I obviously don't know how. To me, talking to God just makes more sense than saying prayers. When something actually answers back though... it's kinda creepy!

I legit felt like something was using my prayers against me at one point, so that could be another big reason why I don't want to pray. World Peace seems like a nice safe thing to pray for though, I still like that idea because it's not selfish.

Someone once told me the Our Father is a "very powerful prayer", and I think that the reason why they said so is because it teaches us "how to pray". You mentioned you know that prayer, so maybe pondering upon that particular prayer itself would be helpful.



Petra, does this mean we are qualified to tell war stories; having gotten drafted so to speak? Or maybe I should say shanghaied.

Oh Villival I hope you're trying to be funny, because that's just too funny. No PTSD jokes please :)

[Rocky_Shorz]

You know how it feels when someone says, go say you're sorry...

That's what praying always seemed like to me.

When you think God before a thought that needs attention. That is a prayer that can bring miracles...

There is no right or wrong way to pray, but no words are necessary unless you are sharing with those around you.

[Rocky_Shorz]

This was under one of Kerry's videos so I watched, then spotted it the orb I saw an image of before it disappeared.

10 mins in


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iNIsdyZXvI

Could an anti-gravity propulsion create Cat 2 hurricane winds around it?

Does this mean I broke the Quarantine by launching Darth Cheney beyond it?

[Valerie Villars]

I used to just talk to God like S/He was my friend. And say the Our Father, etc.

What kind of freaked me out was one night I very spontaneously and earnestly looked at the moon and asked the Blessed Mother for a man and named all the qualities I wanted him to have. And wham, I got an answer immediately that I would be rewarded for kindness. And it turned out to be true, but only after many, many months of testing. So, it really made me cautious about what I ask for. And it wasn't the first time she answered me, very literally. I think the earnestness of the prayer has a lot to do with it. There were definitely what I would consider miracles that happened after my son's death, too.

That said, I really, really wanted whatever was best for life, God, humanity, etc. and always have. I like talking to you Petra. It's interesting you and your brother both had experiences. I wonder how often it runs in families. Two of my cousins were targeted, too.

[petra]

I used to just talk to God like S/He was my friend. And say the Our Father, etc.

What kind of freaked me out was one night I very spontaneously and earnestly looked at the moon and asked the Blessed Mother for a man and named all the qualities I wanted him to have. And wham, I got an answer immediately that I would be rewarded for kindness. And it turned out to be true, but only after many, many months of testing. So, it really made me cautious about what I ask for.


Sounds like you did well! I'm happy for you. It's good to know what you want - I still don't think I know. My feelings kind of change around a lot, and so I suppose in way I'm just protecting people from me. I wouldn't wish myself on my worst enemy kind of thing (ha ha). My life is more reminiscent of This Monkey Paw Tale (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monkey%27s_Paw). I'm planning to stay single :)

I think there's definitely something with bloodlines. I keep thinking about blood types lately too, but I can't seem to put anything together. I've researched into RH - and RH +, and although there's interesting factors there such as being incompatible for procreation, but it's not enough to come to any conclusions. I found a basic chart on the red cross site of blood types broken down by race (https://www.redcrossblood.org/learn-about-blood/blood-types.html). Caucasians most frequently have the RH - factor. I also found this page related to pregnancy (https://www.babycentre.co.uk/a568837/what-is-my-rhesus-status-and-how-will-it-affect-my-pregnancy) describing what it is and why it affects pregnancy.

[Valerie Villars]

Petra, I didn't ask until I'd been alone a long time and had gone through a lot of s*it. And I suspect I was prompted by divine providence on that one. And, spoiler alert, we didn't come together through any kind of tralala, rose strewn path. It was pretty much a lifetime of trial by fire. When we got together, it was kind of against all odds.

My point is that just because you get what you ask for, it's probably never HOW you imagined you would get it, if that makes sense. I think I had to learn to love myself before I could have what I have.

You may change your mind (or God may change it for you) at some point. You are a real sweetheart.

[petra]

Ha ha you too Villival, that made me laugh about God changing my mind too. Perhaps, because loneliness is a motivation for me. I'm not looking for romance but I sure would like someone to hold hands with.... other than myself :)

[Michelle Marie]

Ha ha you too Villival, that made me laugh about God changing my mind too. Perhaps, because loneliness is a motivation for me. I'm not looking for romance but I sure would like someone to hold hands with.... other than myself :)

You never know when someone might pop into your life!

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[Valerie Villars]

That's part of being human; just wanting someone to hold onto when we are scared or tired or whatever. Hey, wanting that actually got me engaged at 55. Go figure.

[Michelle Marie]

That's part of being human; just wanting someone to hold onto when we are scared or tired or whatever. Hey, wanting that actually got me engaged at 55. Go figure.

Desire + Imagination = Experience

Go for it! 😍😘
MM

[petra]

My point is that just because you get what you ask for, it's probably never HOW you imagined you would get it, if that makes sense.



You never know when someone might pop into your life!


Someone kissed me under the mistletoe...

Too fast! Not funny! :P I've really got to watch my step, that's definitely NOT what I wanted.

[Michelle Marie]

My point is that just because you get what you ask for, it's probably never HOW you imagined you would get it, if that makes sense.



You never know when someone might pop into your life!


Someone kissed me under the mistletoe...

Too fast! Not funny! :P I've really got to watch my step, that's definitely NOT what I wanted.

That's funny!😘

When it's the right one it will feel right. 👀Watch out for the ones that are not!👀LOL👀

Happy Holidays🎅🎅🎅
MM

[petra]

That's funny!😘


OK Fine, it's Funny :) The whole drive home I was like "oh crap oh crap oh crap", and that's kind of funny too... :P

I'm the one that needs to be "watched out" for! This is a guy who I already betrayed once (stupidly), and he forgave me for that, so I absolutely refuse to hurt him a second time. I kind of feel like bait - but I'm not falling for it. Damage control already under way - he already knows I'm a bit nuts :)

[Alanantic]

Chapter 5 of the Tao Te Ching begins with the lines "Heaven and Earth are heartless / treating creatures like straw dogs". Su Zhe's commentary on this verse explains: "Heaven and Earth are not partial. They do not kill living things out of cruelty or give them birth out of kindness. We do the same when we make straw dogs to use in sacrifices. We dress them up and put them on the altar, but not because we love them. And when the ceremony is over, we throw them into the street, but not because we hate them."

"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones." -- Marcus Aurelius

[Michelle Marie]

That's funny!😘


OK Fine, it's Funny :) The whole drive home I was like "oh crap oh crap oh crap", and that's kind of funny too... :P

I'm the one that needs to be "watched out" for! This is a guy who I already betrayed once (stupidly), and he forgave me for that, so I absolutely refuse to hurt him a second time. I kind of feel like bait - but I'm not falling for it. Damage control already under way - he already knows I'm a bit nuts :)

Nuts is good. I hope I fall under that category!

Unpredictable, keep them guessing...!

Ultimately, follow your heart and you'll be okay. :heart:

Funny is also perspective....looking back, or finding the humor, etc. :)

Humor also helps to heal, at least that's what I have found. And I have been through some *!*%*! Crap.

Warm smiles,
MM

PS. Wow. Great quote, Alanantic. It reeks of wisdom. :bearhug:

[Valerie Villars]

Thank you all of you for your very heartfelt answers. There is so much wisdom and perspective in this thread. I did have an exquisite, internal communication with God at one point and it made any feelings, emotional or physical on this plane which had been "peak" feel like seeing color after having been blind my whole life. Then I got tested and challenged by all kinds of beings and still I stood firm and was grateful and then.............I got dumped back into the real world with no seeming net. I was confused as hell. I thought, how could I have been shown/experience all this and then get dumped back into black and white with no visible means of support.

So, all my used to be notions went by the wayside and I really shied away from prayer, which I felt confused about. What I was shown/experienced was incredible but, you still have to have a means to live (i.e. monopoly money) in this world. You know, the stuff comes in handy. It's like remembering heaven and then getting dumped in hell. It was like that for a long, long time.

However, It is all good now. I just get a little wonked out when I think of praying because it gets results I never thought possible, or practical, in this world.

Thanks again to each and every one who replied. It's obvious that the folks here are steps above the kind of blind prayer we have been taught.

[Rich]

Anyway, since it happened, I have been very conflicted about prayer. Specifically, who am I praying to? Or what? Is prayer even useful? This has really bothered me and I have a hard time with this issue. I do believe in an ultimate creator and the Holy Spirit.
Anyway, I am wondering what those who are really awake, think about prayer. Do you pray (other than your life being a prayer)? Who do you pray to? Why?

Personally I feel no need to define who I pray to since what we pray to is determined by our attitude.
My "prayers" are usually just positive sayings or asking for something I want.
Prayer is the trust that you already have what you ask for (Bashar said something along those lines).

[Delight]

I am praying to the Ineffable and I expect I am heard by ALL THAT IS and the answer will arrive and healing HAPPENS including for me.
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Episode 182 — Ross Newkirk: True Healing

Premiered Mar 29, 2022 Have you ever turned to the science of healing for help? How do information fields affect that process?

Ross Newkirk describes the powers of natural healing and how prayer really works in this uplifting Living 4D conversation.

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