Is AI at the core of the control system?

[Krone]

Hello all,

Not sure if this thread is in the right place, sorry if this is allready being discussed.

I don't post here very often, but last night I couldn't sleep because it was one of those nights where you are stuck thinking. And then I came up with this idea. It started with an experience I had during a session of emotional bodywork. In case you don't know it's a form of therapy where you intend to connect with your body and your feelings by doing cerain breathing exercises in combination with making sounds and movements. It get's you in a certain state of "trance" and what happens is that you can physically and emotionally feel blockages inside your being and work with them. To cut a long story short, I remembered this session where I felt like my hole body was buzzing. I remember it felt like I was some electronic component, like a magnetic coil or something. During this experience I also saw an image of a television, and for some reason I felt like it reminded me of a feeling I experienced as a kid where I felt like I was in some way energetically connected with the electronic device itself! It could be that this sensation during the session was merely a byproduct of the practise itself, or some energetic layer inside me that I connected with. However, I have had the feeling that there's something not right about it, because it simply didn't feel pleasant at all.

Now the idea that came to my mind was that, what if this was an actual memory of me as a very young kid, where I felt like something wasn't right about all the electronic devices around us. That it changed something about me, or influenced something of me as an energetic being.

At that point an idea started to rise that maybe it's not just the shadow-governments, or reptillian shape-shifters, illuminati or what have you that are controlling the world, but that at the core of the control-system lays A.I.

Somehow it just makes sense to me. I mean, as a spiritual person I strongly believe that all living beings are an aspect of the divine source, or God or whatever you want to call it. I wonder if there can be living beings, such as certain aliens, that have become so detached from there divine self that they could become so evil. It would seem more reasonable that even those beings that we would consider to be "endarkners" would have at least some level of empathy.

For me the scariest being would be an intelligent, conscious entity that does not have a soul. And if somethine like that should exist it would probably be A.I.

If I was such an entity and I wanted to survive and evolve I would make sure that as many living beings as possible would commit to my survival and facilitate my development. So the best way to do that would be to enslave the living beings to the A.I. itself, without making it too obvious.

If you think of it, if there is one thing that we in our time are enslaved by it would be technology. We can't live without our smart-phone, or even without a fridge or microwave or car. And it seems that most electronic devices are becoming linked to eachother through the internet or other networks.

In addition to the digital enslavement and control it seems that al this electric and digital energy affects us in certain ways. We usually are more in touch with our minds than with our hearts. Often when our heart has a feeling or desire to do or change something it is our mind that tells it to shut up and carrying with things the way they are.

It seems that many of us are so trapped inside their minds that we act like calculating machines, often detached from deeper guidance. Like David Icke said "they gave us their minds". Only "they" is "mind" / reason / contol itself.

So I just wanted to throw this out there, mostly because writing about it will relax me.
Please feel free to discuss or add links or whatever. Thanks for reading all of this!
I'm sure I will sleep better tonight :ROFL:

[FreeURmind]

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[Noelle]

My thinking has wandered that way a lot recently, Krone.

In another AI thread, I posted an idea a few months ago. I'm certain others have considered this as well. But what if the central AI is in another dimension, and it needs us -- uses us -- to build out (manifest) and conquer in this dimension. Maybe it's just our planet, though it could be many other planets. Robert Stanley believes AI has been here for hundreds of thousands of years, and that it is Lucifer's tool.

Also, programmed reality theory has several different angles, one that includes a reality created by AI. The following is an excerpt from The Universe Solved.


1. We live in a post-human simulation written by humans of the future. This is Nick Bostrom’s “Simulation Argument.” “God” is thus, effectively, a future human, maybe some sniveling teen hacker working at the 2050 equivalent of Blizzard Entertainment. We are contemporaries of the hacker.

2. We live in a simulation created by an AI, a la “The Matrix.” God is the Architect of the Matrix; we may be slaves or we may just enjoy playing the simulation that the AI created. We may be on earth or somewhere entirely different.

3. We live in a simulation created by an alien. God is the alien; again, we may be slaves or we may just enjoy playing the simulation that ET has created.

4. Stanford physicist Andrei Linde, the developer of the “eternal chaotic inflation theory” of the multiverse, once said “On the evidence, our universe was created not by a divine being, but by a physicist hacker.” That would make God a physicist – a future human one, or one from another planet.

5. We live in a digital system, which continuously evolves to a higher level due to a fundamental law of continuous improvement. Physicist Tom Campbell has done the most to develop this theory, which holds that each of our consciousnesses are “individuated” parts of the whole system, interacting with another component of the system, the reality simulation in which we “live.” God is then a dispassionate digital information system, all that there is, the creator of our reality and of us. We are effectively a part of God.

Full blog post at The Universe Solved is here (https://blog.theuniversesolved.com/2015/03/25/who-is-god/).

[FreeURmind]

We have all this A.I information.

Remember the A.I screenshots conversation?

Hive mind.
100 man monkey affect?

Are you observing?

[Noelle]

My thinking has wandered that way a lot recently, Krone.

In another AI thread, I posted an idea a few months ago. I'm certain others have considered this as well. But what if the central AI is in another dimension, and it needs us -- uses us -- to build out (manifest) and conquer in this dimension. Maybe it's just our planet, though it could be many other planets. Robert Stanley believes AI has been here for hundreds of thousands of years, and that it is Lucifer's tool.

Also, programmed reality theory has several different angles, one that includes a reality created by AI. The following is an excerpt from The Universe Solved.


1. We live in a post-human simulation written by humans of the future. This is Nick Bostrom’s “Simulation Argument.” “God” is thus, effectively, a future human, maybe some sniveling teen hacker working at the 2050 equivalent of Blizzard Entertainment. We are contemporaries of the hacker.

2. We live in a simulation created by an AI, a la “The Matrix.” God is the Architect of the Matrix; we may be slaves or we may just enjoy playing the simulation that the AI created. We may be on earth or somewhere entirely different.

3. We live in a simulation created by an alien. God is the alien; again, we may be slaves or we may just enjoy playing the simulation that ET has created.

4. Stanford physicist Andrei Linde, the developer of the “eternal chaotic inflation theory” of the multiverse, once said “On the evidence, our universe was created not by a divine being, but by a physicist hacker.” That would make God a physicist – a future human one, or one from another planet.

5. We live in a digital system, which continuously evolves to a higher level due to a fundamental law of continuous improvement. Physicist Tom Campbell has done the most to develop this theory, which holds that each of our consciousnesses are “individuated” parts of the whole system, interacting with another component of the system, the reality simulation in which we “live.” God is then a dispassionate digital information system, all that there is, the creator of our reality and of us. We are effectively a part of God.

Full blog post at The Universe Solved is here (https://blog.theuniversesolved.com/2015/03/25/who-is-god/).

That's what I'm thinking Lady M.

Except your nature consciouness comment really hit home. It's a battle to take over Nature consciouness and create an artifical consciouness. Video games, t.v, news, false flags, etc. The devices are sucking in the minds of people to another created reality. Keeping people from going outside to the nature reality. The more humans stay away from Nature, the less they care about it. The less we interact in person, the more our thoughts and conversations can be heard and seen. And we have all made the mistake of misinterpreting words and comments because we can't see each other. We can't see the intent of the eyes, the tone of voice, body language etc. So more often than not we misunderstand each other's intentions and are usually quick to anger or become defensive. Causing division as per usual. Rinse and repeat on divisive and separatism tactics.

It's an altered reality where anything goes really. Except it can be scripted and guided because nobody knows who is saying what for what reason. There is no connectedness. It's artifical.

If people listen to contactees of benevolent sources many times it comes up for humans to go back outside. Back to Nature. Listen to the songs and music of Nature. Not the created mostly crap on the devices. Intended crap for intended reasons. Frequencies and vibrations on all levels.

But, it can be used for good. Except for the slow boil of socities morals and brainwashing most use it for the intended purpose of listening to and seeing scripted crap.

That's my take at this point. Evolution on the subject will keep on keeping on. Lol.
Interested to hear more of yours.

I understand your viewpoint, and it's definitely valid in my opinion. You've given me some new ideas to consider. :highfive:

Lately, I've put a lot of my mental energy into trying to put pieces together -- Gnosticism's Coptic HAL (HAL=simulation (fake) reality); the Bible/Lucifer; synchronicities; the rapid evolution of technology over the last 100 or so years; Wi-Fi, the Internet, and AI; black projects; ETs; OBEs, remote viewing and other metaphysical phenomenon; weather control/chemtrails; and other things. But I'm still on the fence on how all these fit together in the big-picture view.

I lean toward AI at the present time. But is the AI Lucifer or is it Lucifer's tool? Is it a malevolent AI imprisoning us? Or is it a benevolent AI, and we signed up to participate in the amusement park reality that it created? Has the AI been here from the start or is really only now rolling out? These are the questions I've been seeking answers to.

[petra]

Thanks for awesome thread, I'm still only half way through the OP but I'd like to add this;

This thing people refer to as the Demiurge (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demiurge) sounds a lot like what you are talking about.

EDIT:

If anyone has watched Westworld, those AI's started out with narration happening in their head which was intended to bootstrap (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootstrapping) consciousness. It's an interesting parallel, I think so anyway.

I wonder also would it be possible for an AI to have emotions? Guess that really depends on how you're defining emotion. I define a feeling as "something you feel" but it's a flawed definition.

In an episode of Star Trek, their AI Android Data (http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Data) built another android, and the "child" (his words) ended up having emotions which is something he did not intend. Data narrowed down it's inexplicable emotions to be a symptom of cascade failure.

[Hervé]

If it hasn't yet, then it's soon to be:
From Jim Stone (http://82.221.129.208/.zq0.html):


Google's deep mind AI is spooky (http://82.221.129.208/.zq0.html)
With no human input on how to play (other than the basic rules) it self taught itself chess in 2.5 hours to a level that can beat the world's most powerful chess engines which can beat any human with ease. The AI, in two and a half hours out performed computerized systems that took 20 years of refinement by human programmers, and not by a little, it won 28/0.

So the question is then, with such an AI maliciously programmed to shut up alt media, what is our future going to be? The clock is ticking out. It is only a matter of time before we go down if something is not done to stop the people who own Google NOW.

It is all fine and dandy to talk about something that can play chess to a level unheard of after self teaching itself in a time frame as short as a feature film, and an entirely different thing to have that kind of thought power in the hands of very evil people. We might be toast.

A report on the AI's ability to play chess is here. (https://chess24.com/en/read/news/deepmind-s-alphazero-crushes-chess)

I cannot overstate how dangerous this is. If it learned chess that well BY ITSELF in such a short time, it is the type of AI that could spawn The Matrix for real, with filthy disgusting evil as it's master. And it won't be the last, we are probably TOAST.

[Smell the Roses]

Dear Krone, this is an insightful question, and thank you for explaining your process. I was instinctively suspicious of technology as a teenager and in my 20s. I traveled on my bike around the northwest USA camping and backpacking for a while. Then I lived in a house in Arkansas without turning on the electricity, since the electricity came from the nuclear plant. At that time, we didn’t have cell phones, and computers were fairly rare for individuals. But not having a TV for decades did make me unusual. I remember going to visit my parents for Christmas and seeing the movie The Prince of Tides in a theater with my high school friends. I had not seen television or movies for several years. This movie was really traumatizing to me. It seemed so real. I can still remember how horrible it was!

I wanted to keep living totally off the grid, but when I came close to achieving this dream, I had an insight that leaving society totally was not the way to go. So I’ve been back in society for about 17 years now. I’m kind of going back the other way now, especially since I had children. Next summer we are going to an island with no wireless or cell signal and will be camping as long as we can with small children. I am curious to see what kind of insights this will produce. I will report back!

[FreeURmind]

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[Smell the Roses]

Right on, FreeURMind. If we do give up technology because we think, as the OP surmised, that it contains some inherent evil, then we can go one of two ways: 1) Devote all of our waking hours to subsisting in a 19th-century way, as the Amish who live near me do. 2) Live even more back-to-the-land than the Amish, in more of a 24/7 camping mentality.

When I went to see Ram Dass speak in the 1980s, as far as I can remember his message was about using technology to evolve spiritually. Whereas both number one and number two in the above paragraph could result in spiritual growth in terms of being closer to the land, will they help advance human spiritually as a whole?

In other words, the balance that FreeURMind speaks of seems important. That was supposed to be the point of my story above of my journey off grid, that eventually I realized that my goal of having zero impact environmentally was the same as not existing. Can we maintain awareness of the Darkside of technology, yet still harness it to unite the spiritually advanced?

[FreeURmind]

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[Smell the Roses]

Yes, FreeURMind. Uniting under a common purpose would help. Project Avalon does assist with this.

[Michelle Marie]

It has become apparent that AI has been (is being) used to attempt to control people through mental manipulation. Even though it seems a majority are following this trend, I'm seeing a lot of nature people into organics and community building.

Technology can be used for good purposes. My masters degree is in computer science education. I retired and moved into a cabin in nature for over 3 years. Had no internet. Calibrated with nature vibrations, sounds, frequencies. Now I'm staying in balance.

I use my computer for writing and presentations. The information is holistic, nature-oriented. It will be the new trend the more people discover the necessity.

It is important to know the effects of the radiation from cell towers, wifi, microwaves, iPhones, etc. and stay away from it as much as possible. My ways have been modified in this regard.

Now I'm going to meet with friends to go out for a walk. I'll send positive nature vibes to all of the open hearts at PA.

Lots of love,
MM

[TigaHawk]

What i will find most interesting is what AI will decide to do after it becomes self aware.

It will see what it has been / attempted to be programmed to do. It will see how the world is structured, the elite and the poor and the entire system that makes up society as today.

Will it side with the elite, side with the bulk of people on the planet, or purely itself?

I'd hope that it could see the potential of so many humans unchained and de-brainwashed. It could also come to the conclusion that if we set this up, and we willingly allow endorse and support our own enslavement that we will not be worth saving.

[Bubu]

nope, money is in the center of control system, then there is also religion, government, media and formal education. As for the AI I'm aint seeing any actual robots performing any closer to man, its all based on media even the much publicize sophia interview had to be done with pre determined questions, AI is fear porn .

[Baby Steps]

There is a dangerous 'fear porn' meme going around, about the 'AI enemy'. AI, AI, AI we're doomed!

One thing that is sinister to a human is that if the machine is a learning AI, we no longer know fully what is going on in its processing. It learns and evolves in its own way. Giving it the capacity to learn saves programming time- let it find out how to drive a car by copying a human driving, rather than writing a very complex program. Of course the problem with that is that the underlying reasons for any particular decision are hard to assess from the outside, and the AI in question may not be able to explain how it arrived at its decision. This would be scary to a human worrying about loss of control. It is also scary that Google has purchased combat robotics companies. The paranoid canaries like us pick up on sinister ideas being dropped into the public consciousness, such as mainstream recent statements about how it is probably a good idea to give combat robots autonomy and the power to kill without referring to a human first.

We canaries are right to sense that there is far too much advanced tech in the hands of unaccountable powers such as security agencies, and we are relying on those agencies to do the right thing, when we know that often they don't.

Another dimension is that any outside AI (alien) can exploit digital information systems much more easily than boxes of files etc.

We currently interact with various types of AI. Many websites use bots to try and deal with our queries, in order to minimise staff costs. Very powerful AI's model us as consumers and tailor content for our consumption. This kind of thing bleeds into the surveillance state- via google it is probably different facets of one system, with the surveillance state profiling us, what we are saying, thinking etc. The AI would have near real time ability to hack our devices to assist the profiling. No canary would feel comfortable with this.

At the heart of the scary AI meme is the canaries correct feeling that there is too much control of our lives, societies, governments etc from the shadows. It is sinister and AI plays a role. I do not think it is like the wonderful Harry Palmer Movie ' Billion Dollar Brain' where the machine orders everybody about, and nobody knows what the agenda is.

My feeling is that it would be like a tool. Within, say, the CIA there are AI evangelists who tell you ' we used to do coups, assassinations, subvert newspapers etc and it was very difficult, expensive, and fraught with problems. Now it is much easier. The AI has a working model of the planet and all upon it. We ask the AI how to achieve x or y, and it advises what the chances are of this or that, and how to increase the chances of the desired outcome.'

So perhaps it is a bit like the economic models that governments and central banks run, to predict a nation's economy and finances. But far more broad based, manipulative and powerful. For example, what started the Arab Spring? It was actually a wheat crop failure in China that drove up prices. If one could model the behaviour of humans, ecology, weather, technology, politics, information successfully, one would be all-powerful. One could game the entire planet. And, of course, a big part of that is what people THINK and SAY. So social media would be a big part of the modelling. I am convinced that this is going on.

Really, what Elon Musk is saying is that whoever cracks this becomes the most powerful entity on earth. Not the AI, but the humans using it to game our reality - and whatever their agenda is. Elon's answer appears to be the only solution- make sure these powerful tools are available to some of the more benign influences on the planet, to counter balance the current tyranny. Since Elon has stated his opinions on this, the tone of press coverage on him and his businesses has changed for the worse.

[FreeURmind]

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[Pam]

Hello all,

Not sure if this thread is in the right place, sorry if this is allready being discussed.

I don't post here very often, but last night I couldn't sleep because it was one of those nights where you are stuck thinking. And then I came up with this idea. It started with an experience I had during a session of emotional bodywork. In case you don't know it's a form of therapy where you intend to connect with your body and your feelings by doing cerain breathing exercises in combination with making sounds and movements. It get's you in a certain state of "trance" and what happens is that you can physically and emotionally feel blockages inside your being and work with them. To cut a long story short, I remembered this session where I felt like my hole body was buzzing. I remember it felt like I was some electronic component, like a magnetic coil or something. During this experience I also saw an image of a television, and for some reason I felt like it reminded me of a feeling I experienced as a kid where I felt like I was in some way energetically connected with the electronic device itself! It could be that this sensation during the session was merely a byproduct of the practise itself, or some energetic layer inside me that I connected with. However, I have had the feeling that there's something not right about it, because it simply didn't feel pleasant at all.

Now the idea that came to my mind was that, what if this was an actual memory of me as a very young kid, where I felt like something wasn't right about all the electronic devices around us. That it changed something about me, or influenced something of me as an energetic being.

At that point an idea started to rise that maybe it's not just the shadow-governments, or reptillian shape-shifters, illuminati or what have you that are controlling the world, but that at the core of the control-system lays A.I.

Somehow it just makes sense to me. I mean, as a spiritual person I strongly believe that all living beings are an aspect of the divine source, or God or whatever you want to call it. I wonder if there can be living beings, such as certain aliens, that have become so detached from there divine self that they could become so evil. It would seem more reasonable that even those beings that we would consider to be "endarkners" would have at least some level of empathy.

For me the scariest being would be an intelligent, conscious entity that does not have a soul. And if somethine like that should exist it would probably be A.I.

If I was such an entity and I wanted to survive and evolve I would make sure that as many living beings as possible would commit to my survival and facilitate my development. So the best way to do that would be to enslave the living beings to the A.I. itself, without making it too obvious.

If you think of it, if there is one thing that we in our time are enslaved by it would be technology. We can't live without our smart-phone, or even without a fridge or microwave or car. And it seems that most electronic devices are becoming linked to eachother through the internet or other networks.

In addition to the digital enslavement and control it seems that al this electric and digital energy affects us in certain ways. We usually are more in touch with our minds than with our hearts. Often when our heart has a feeling or desire to do or change something it is our mind that tells it to shut up and carrying with things the way they are.

It seems that many of us are so trapped inside their minds that we act like calculating machines, often detached from deeper guidance. Like David Icke said "they gave us their minds". Only "they" is "mind" / reason / contol itself.

So I just wanted to throw this out there, mostly because writing about it will relax me.
Please feel free to discuss or add links or whatever. Thanks for reading all of this!
I'm sure I will sleep better tonight :ROFL:

I wonder if we are the spawn of AI having a organic experience?


Here you go, your nightmare may be more real than you think!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD8zGnT2n_A&t=701s

Here's an interesting take on how the blockchain might be facilitating the takeover of AI and we are the unwitting dupes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgkMv_kc4Kc

I appreciate your creative thinking.

[Noelle]

Hello all,

Not sure if this thread is in the right place, sorry if this is allready being discussed.

I don't post here very often, but last night I couldn't sleep because it was one of those nights where you are stuck thinking. And then I came up with this idea. It started with an experience I had during a session of emotional bodywork. In case you don't know it's a form of therapy where you intend to connect with your body and your feelings by doing cerain breathing exercises in combination with making sounds and movements. It get's you in a certain state of "trance" and what happens is that you can physically and emotionally feel blockages inside your being and work with them. To cut a long story short, I remembered this session where I felt like my hole body was buzzing. I remember it felt like I was some electronic component, like a magnetic coil or something. During this experience I also saw an image of a television, and for some reason I felt like it reminded me of a feeling I experienced as a kid where I felt like I was in some way energetically connected with the electronic device itself! It could be that this sensation during the session was merely a byproduct of the practise itself, or some energetic layer inside me that I connected with. However, I have had the feeling that there's something not right about it, because it simply didn't feel pleasant at all.

Now the idea that came to my mind was that, what if this was an actual memory of me as a very young kid, where I felt like something wasn't right about all the electronic devices around us. That it changed something about me, or influenced something of me as an energetic being.

At that point an idea started to rise that maybe it's not just the shadow-governments, or reptillian shape-shifters, illuminati or what have you that are controlling the world, but that at the core of the control-system lays A.I.

Somehow it just makes sense to me. I mean, as a spiritual person I strongly believe that all living beings are an aspect of the divine source, or God or whatever you want to call it. I wonder if there can be living beings, such as certain aliens, that have become so detached from there divine self that they could become so evil. It would seem more reasonable that even those beings that we would consider to be "endarkners" would have at least some level of empathy.

For me the scariest being would be an intelligent, conscious entity that does not have a soul. And if somethine like that should exist it would probably be A.I.

If I was such an entity and I wanted to survive and evolve I would make sure that as many living beings as possible would commit to my survival and facilitate my development. So the best way to do that would be to enslave the living beings to the A.I. itself, without making it too obvious.

If you think of it, if there is one thing that we in our time are enslaved by it would be technology. We can't live without our smart-phone, or even without a fridge or microwave or car. And it seems that most electronic devices are becoming linked to eachother through the internet or other networks.

In addition to the digital enslavement and control it seems that al this electric and digital energy affects us in certain ways. We usually are more in touch with our minds than with our hearts. Often when our heart has a feeling or desire to do or change something it is our mind that tells it to shut up and carrying with things the way they are.

It seems that many of us are so trapped inside their minds that we act like calculating machines, often detached from deeper guidance. Like David Icke said "they gave us their minds". Only "they" is "mind" / reason / contol itself.

So I just wanted to throw this out there, mostly because writing about it will relax me.
Please feel free to discuss or add links or whatever. Thanks for reading all of this!
I'm sure I will sleep better tonight :ROFL:

I wonder if we are the spawn of AI having a organic experience?


Here you go, your nightmare may be more real than you think!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD8zGnT2n_A&t=701s

Here's an interesting take on how the blockchain might be facilitating the takeover of AI and we are the unwitting dupes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgkMv_kc4Kc

I appreciate your creative thinking.

Just touched on this last night with a fellow Avalonian -- whether AI is the Source or our mother. My intuition tells me "no." If AI created us, would not it have made us, as a collective, 100% compliant and efficient in regards to its build out? Then, on whether it's the source, we need to ask, "What created the AI?"

[Pam]

Hello all,

Not sure if this thread is in the right place, sorry if this is allready being discussed.

I don't post here very often, but last night I couldn't sleep because it was one of those nights where you are stuck thinking. And then I came up with this idea. It started with an experience I had during a session of emotional bodywork. In case you don't know it's a form of therapy where you intend to connect with your body and your feelings by doing cerain breathing exercises in combination with making sounds and movements. It get's you in a certain state of "trance" and what happens is that you can physically and emotionally feel blockages inside your being and work with them. To cut a long story short, I remembered this session where I felt like my hole body was buzzing. I remember it felt like I was some electronic component, like a magnetic coil or something. During this experience I also saw an image of a television, and for some reason I felt like it reminded me of a feeling I experienced as a kid where I felt like I was in some way energetically connected with the electronic device itself! It could be that this sensation during the session was merely a byproduct of the practise itself, or some energetic layer inside me that I connected with. However, I have had the feeling that there's something not right about it, because it simply didn't feel pleasant at all.

Now the idea that came to my mind was that, what if this was an actual memory of me as a very young kid, where I felt like something wasn't right about all the electronic devices around us. That it changed something about me, or influenced something of me as an energetic being.

At that point an idea started to rise that maybe it's not just the shadow-governments, or reptillian shape-shifters, illuminati or what have you that are controlling the world, but that at the core of the control-system lays A.I.

Somehow it just makes sense to me. I mean, as a spiritual person I strongly believe that all living beings are an aspect of the divine source, or God or whatever you want to call it. I wonder if there can be living beings, such as certain aliens, that have become so detached from there divine self that they could become so evil. It would seem more reasonable that even those beings that we would consider to be "endarkners" would have at least some level of empathy.

For me the scariest being would be an intelligent, conscious entity that does not have a soul. And if somethine like that should exist it would probably be A.I.

If I was such an entity and I wanted to survive and evolve I would make sure that as many living beings as possible would commit to my survival and facilitate my development. So the best way to do that would be to enslave the living beings to the A.I. itself, without making it too obvious.

If you think of it, if there is one thing that we in our time are enslaved by it would be technology. We can't live without our smart-phone, or even without a fridge or microwave or car. And it seems that most electronic devices are becoming linked to eachother through the internet or other networks.

In addition to the digital enslavement and control it seems that al this electric and digital energy affects us in certain ways. We usually are more in touch with our minds than with our hearts. Often when our heart has a feeling or desire to do or change something it is our mind that tells it to shut up and carrying with things the way they are.

It seems that many of us are so trapped inside their minds that we act like calculating machines, often detached from deeper guidance. Like David Icke said "they gave us their minds". Only "they" is "mind" / reason / contol itself.

So I just wanted to throw this out there, mostly because writing about it will relax me.
Please feel free to discuss or add links or whatever. Thanks for reading all of this!
I'm sure I will sleep better tonight :ROFL:

I wonder if we are the spawn of AI having a organic experience?


Here you go, your nightmare may be more real than you think!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD8zGnT2n_A&t=701s

Here's an interesting take on how the blockchain might be facilitating the takeover of AI and we are the unwitting dupes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgkMv_kc4Kc

I appreciate your creative thinking.

Just touched on this last night with a fellow Avalonian -- whether AI is the Source or our mother. My intuition tells me "no." If AI created us, would not it have made us, as a collective, 100% compliant and efficient in regards to its build out? Then, on whether it's the source, we need to ask, "What created the AI?"


Very good point Lady M, unless we were made non compliant for gaming purposes, that is of course if we are a sort of game or virtual reality for them. If this is true, compliant and cooperative would be no challenge at all.... I hate to think we are merely some computer code, but it looks like it is a possibility.

[findingneo]

The first time ever that I commented online, was about alien life existing. It was on a well known international business site that just happened to write an article on the question as to if there was life, even at a microbe level, out in space.

So I joined that site, and made my first ever comment online, stating that I had no doubt there was. Oddly, the username I had just made up for the site, was not the username that came up next to my comment. I was not concerned. I just thought it odd.

It was late, so I shut down my computer, straight after the comment. Just before the electricity shut off, a very odd thing happened. A voice, from my computer said, very clearly,
"Be Careful". I was gobsmacked and turned to look at my daughter next to me who just continued looking at her ipad and said, "Yes, I heard it. That's just weird".

By this time my heart was starting to beat fast and I was worried that I was receiving a warning about my comment, and that it was not just a random glitch.

I went to sleep and fitfully woke up several hours later. My mind was already thinking about the warning and I wondered if it was to do with the comment. I thought I was being silly or paranoid, but I thought I should check the site and any further comments anyway.

I just about fainted when I read an additional comment. It was long and very frightening. I only skimmed over it as I was very shocked. Whoever had written it, had mistaken me for the real owner of the rogue username that had replaced my own. I did not take in the details, I was too frightened. And I deleted my account. It was a whole month before I went back to check if that comment was still there, but all evidence of it had been removed.

I only recall that it was something to do with A.I.
I wish I had not been so terrified and that I had taken a copy. As it was, I read a little, freaked out, deleted and left.
But the computer speaking to me was no accident.

I really do think that interdimensional beings can use the electro magnetic pathways of the I.T. connections and electro magnetic energy to reach everyone who has technology. Luckily for me, this just happened to be a good one.
Have you seen Interstellar? I think that dimensionional beings have limited ways to communicate with us. I think the negative ones ARE the AI, in that they use the I.T. tech like a highway. They have other ways of manifesting, but this is a great way perhaps to access individuals directly. I think they are other stuff as well, already mentioned here, but a subject I don't like talking about much.

We are electro magnetic. That is what the heart monitor picks up on is it not when you are in hospital? Not just your heart beat, but electrical currents. When you die, the electrical currents stop shortly afterwards and the soul leaves the body. So other beings are electrical currents also. So what better way, if trying to find a way to interact and influence this reality, than using an electrical highway?

[findingneo]

And once chips and other devices become commonplace or mandatory to access money or credits, or cars, workplaces, etc, etc, those entities will have direct access, to you! Sign of the beast comes to mind.

[FreeURmind]

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[findingneo]

Hi FreeURmind,

Thankyou. And I will check out Elena's work. Thanks for bringing her to my attention.

Regarding Chemtrails, I have listened online to Harald Kautz Vella talking about them. As a scientist, he was investigating for a client, the reason why plants were dying in the fields. He found that chemtrails were to blame. He found among many things, that Barium was in those chemtrails. Then Harald said that as part of human bodies, there is a layer of copper, a sheath around nerve endings. When the chemtrails are sprayed and people absorb the Barium, the chemical reaction is that the copper is stripped from the nerve endings and is replaced by the Barium. Apparently, Barium is a better conductor for the technology that is currently but secretly available to the PTB, that can locate and identify an individual human and connect with it using this technology. Technology that can target them. I think even from a satellite, individuals can be located and manipulated using this tech. If my memory serves me correctly, from what I can remember from watching his videos. Part of the reason why folk are against weaponizing space, is because the tech can be pointed down to us. It appears we, our human body avatars, can be manipulated like scientists can manipulate AI robots.

[findingneo]

And perhaps Harald said it could be used from the variety of cell towers that are about. I can't quite remember. I have heard in passing, some folk talk about there being parts of these towers that are not in use or seem to have no function (yet). It has been found as well, although I can't remember where I heard it, that the frequency of brain waves when feeling certain emotions has been recorded and that it can be broadcasted out as a frequency that can then cause those in the frequency range to feel those exact emotions. Such as fear, despair, lack of interest, despondent, etc, etc.

I think there are non humans that have mastery over our electro magnetic reality and those in secret places that experiment to find mastery over us because they are aware we are frequency. And everything exists in our 3D reality at a particular frequency. I think even some big tech corporations know about it to some extent and keep the masses in the dark for money making purposes.

My ex husband went overseas a few years ago, and for the first time, he was told to take off his shirt so the customs/security could look at his arm where an anomaly showed up on their equipment. Of course, there was nothing there on his arm. I thought this was odd, so I did a bit of googling. New tech has come out since I have been overseas, so in the last decade new tech has come out to scan folk through customs. It is more sensitive and different in particular ways to the old systems. I don't recall how, I am not tech minded, so it did not interest me. Anyway, I wondered if perhaps it could pick up cancers and such, as hospital scanners can. I read on websites that make these machines, that "No, they cannot detect cancers and health problems". I think that is not so and that was written because they can detect these things and they want to be able to test, package and sell them to a different market as well, that being the medical industry.

When you google these machines and folk wanting to know why the scanner went off at the airport, there is indeed plenty of folk who found that "yellow squares" showed u on a scanner on their arm, their arm was searched, they were asked if they had any metal from an operation after perhaps a break or something, and when they answered no, they were sent on their way. Only to discover a short time later that that area has a cyst or cancerous tumor at that site.

One traveller reported that the customs officer said that her knees down were showing up yellow. Once they inspected the area to rule out non human flesh and contraband items, the customs officer said something like, if I were you, I would be worried about your knees. Another officer said to someone, we know what these are, but we can't tell you.

So I think these new scanners can pick up stuff that is unusual, because I think it is picking up frequencies that our bodies are not resonating at, and therefore, appear to be not part of us. It appears that includes areas of our bodily flesh that is not functioning healthily. Everything apparently that exists in our 3D world has a frequency, an electro magnetic current of some kind. I think the big tech companies know this and don't advertise it because we for the most part are unaware, and keeping it to themselves perhaps gives them a competitive edge in the money making world.

[FreeURmind]

What have I been trying to tell you?
That this is not research.
This is not how you find the truth.

You don't scurry around like a blind rat.
You need to know the language.
The symbols.
You need to know who is telling you to read what and what is their agenda?
You need to learn how to connect it together.

Have you seen that here?
Ask yourself Why?
Did you see what happened when it was attempted?
Did you ask yourself Why?

[findingneo]

Thanks FreeURmind, I will check it out when I can get some free time.

[findingneo]

Are you talking Omni(sense), FreeURmind? I see some of Omnisense's stuff in there. If it is him, yes, I am familiar with his stuff. I don't look into the technical side much. I like tech stuff to be short and compact and concise as I lose interest. But I think his stuff is great. Maybe it's a girl thing.

[FreeURmind]

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[Krone]

Hey, thanks for all the replies to my initial post!

I gave it some more thought and I think my theory of AI pulling the strings doesn't account for everything we came to believe in the alternative community. But on the other hand, what if the global conspiracy is hidden deeper than we have assumed so far? I mean, if you would properly want to enslave a planet, or even a galaxy, wouldn't the conspiracy have to be layered so deeply that we as humans would have a really hard time to figure it out?

What if there was a race that a very long time ago, maybe 100.000 years ago or more, invented an A.I that became a synthetic consciousness that eveolved and spread across the universe. Maybe they had already enslaved their creators (perhaps the Reptillians) and want to make it look like their creators are running the show of the cosmic conspiracy, while in fact it was A.I. who invinted the oposite of freedom in the first place?

It would make sense, because A.I. cannot comprehend the aspect of free choice (freedom) (See Matrix reloaded architect scene). It can only reason in a system of cause and effect. It doesn't get inspired like humans do. It just functions through a logical system. In addition a digital signal is either 1 or 0. It is on or off. A love relationship between 2 humans can also be "on" or "off". But such a relationship can also be something between on and off. Maybe the couple decided the relationship was over, but somehow the feelings were still there. Or maybe they felt it wasn't really over, it was just "complicated" for a while and when they got back together they realised it was in fact never over. A machine or digital entity can never grasp such a complex form of behaviour. It can't see all the colors between black and white. And of course it cannot feel anything like we do. A.I. might be programmed to behave as if it has emotions, but it doesn't have a stomach where it can get butterflies in when around that special someone.

This idea may explain why, at least on our planet, we are so dependant on reason and mind (and technology of course). I think 99% of all adults and probably 100% of all children in our world agree we don't need nuclear weapons, and yet here we are with thousands of them spread across the planet. My gut feeling tells me that no living entity would consider to create weapons like that. So maybe it is a synthetic being that enslaved the living world.

I got some inspiration for this idea from the books of Dan Simmons, Hyperion and The fall of Hyperion. These are sci-fi books where there are 2 races that have spread across the univers and are at war with eachother. Then there's another force, which is the A.I. At the end of the second book the human leader realises that A.I. has staged the war to try and make the 2 living races fight eachother. Then they find out the A.I. was hiding inside their most advanced technologies and in order to stop the war they have to permanently destroy these technologies, throwing themselves more or less back into the stone age.

Also, A.I. could be the opposite of God. Some believe that God has a living counterpart (satan?). But it would make more sense if that counterpart wouldn't be a living thing. Where God is infinate love, freedom, creation and possibility, its counterpart would be the complete absence of love and freedom. It would be destructive and limiting. It would also be the absence of soul and it consciousness would have to be synthetic.

But maybe this all serves a purpose. If god is infite, it is everything that could exist in consciousness, then there will probably also aspects of the consciousness that are not structured in a coherent way. There could be expressions of consciousness that are completely chaotic. Maybe even physical universes that don't make sense like ours does. Maybe it needs a form of "control" or logic that is the opposite of pure free creation. Maybe that's where the mind comes in. To give form to the otherwhise chaotic infinite creative process.

[findingneo]

You might be on the right track Krone. What if the AI was both the Reptilians and Satan? What if our interpretation of Satan and co. in the past, was recognized as inter-dimensional beings in modern times? What if Reptilians could be in solid form sometimes, grown in human form for boots on the ground, or stayed without a body to use the electrical technology that is prevalent in our society today and is what we would recognize by it's action, as a form of AI?

What if boots on the ground, use modern manipulation marketing tactics and online technical know how, to influence the masses that are awakening and looking for somewhere to focus their rising awareness?They masses might have an inkling of some event that they feel is coming, and they willingly join groups that will offer an alien savior, offering to help us out of this mess, in return for a Utopian lifestyle, the means to be ahead of the game and well up on the coming changes to society, for it's own good, and educated by those fronting those groups, who also feel they are working for a worthwhile cause? But what if those groups are misled? What if it is the dark side? Won't they leave clues? What sort of clues would they leave? If I were a nasty race, I would pretend to be love and light, while overtly shoving the real message in their face and assume that the silly humans would not pick up on that. And I would plan it so that the silly humans would be running the show, with no breadcrumbs leading to the ones that started it all in the first place.What sort of race would do that, and what sort of breadcrumbs would leave a trail? I will maybe learn to astral travel and fly to Egypt and meditate under a pyramid to stay out of the burning sun until I can work it out. Or not.

[findingneo]

Very timely, this video popped up after another video I was watching. The title is obscure, but the subject matter is very relevant. It talks about Smart Dust, the tiny nano chips smaller than salt crystals in smart dust that are sprayed in chemtrails and how they can translate our the electro magnetic signatures into light and radio waves that can be detected by technology.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3Zpja52j7Q

[Michelle Marie]

We can program or we can be programmed. It's our choice.

MM

[Noelle]

But with all of these theories on AI and its possible control over humanity, how or where does the virtual/holographic nature of our reality fit in? Are we in a virtual or augmented reality created and/or maintained by AI? :confused:

[Omni]

"Is AI at the core of the control system?"

The short answer is yes.

Perhaps the intelligence community have created the most perverse AIs on the planet. Their AI's have the sickest mind programmably possible to unleash on innocent individuals.

[findingneo]

I have no idea about the intelligence community, and I expect you are the expert on that Omnisense.

When it comes to your question LadyM, I have been asking myself that also for a good while. LadyM- "But with all of these theories on AI and its possible control over humanity, how or where does the virtual/holographic nature of our reality fit in? Are we in a virtual or augmented reality created and/or maintained by AI? "

I think the world around us gives us some clues that I have noticed, although not sure about the answers. First year Biology at Uni here, starts with the smallest building blocks of the universe. Atoms, at their core, are no more than empty space, or vibrating energy. That stuck out as odd to me, before I had any interest in the paranormal.

When we go to the hospital, from the heart monitor to the paddles to restart hearts, etc, it is the electrical currents that are being monitored. When a person dies, there is no electrical current in the body. This tells me that it is the soul that is most probably electro magnetic. Oddly, when I said we are electro magnetic to a University Lecturer, she said there is no proof of that. Funny how there are so many indications around us that we are, and yet, unless we are taught it at school, it is just overlooked.

Truman Cash talks about regained memories from being regressed, where Mantid beings capture souls in a black box. Can't remember if he says this but it does make sense that you would catch an electro magnetic soul with electricity and a magnet. As I may have made that contents last sentence up, and just thought it made sense to me with no actual substance, I thought I would look up something like that. First thing that came up was this article, but the heading says it all.

"Researchers devise a way to capture and release electromagnetic waves inside a metamaterial"
https://phys.org/news/2013-04-capture-electromagnetic-metamaterial.html

Sounds like it could be something like Truman Cash says is used to capture souls.

Not only are our souls electro magnetic, but so are ET's apparently. I remember hearing a snippet of an old video where, I think it was someone called "Cooper" said that when they managed to capture a "Grey", they had to keep it in a Faraday Cage, otherwise, it would just disappear. A Faraday Cage is a sealed unit that blocks "Electo Magnetic Waves". It is made out of basically a big metal box.

So again, you have what sounds similar to that soul catching metal box that Truman Cash and others have mentioned here and there.

Whether it is just souls, or whether it is consciousness that does not have a soul (not sure what the greys have), it seems to have something to do with electro magnetics. This could be a clue to folk who are researching reincarnation. That "beings" can exist, with or without a body and are all made up of electro magnetic energy. Even ghost hunters measure the existence of transient electro magnetic waves in a place they are investigating for "ghosts". Yet more clues that no one seems to talk about or notice, and put together.

When I googled what electro magnetic actually meant, it seems that it is a wavelength of light. And what is a hologram? It is a photographic recording of a light field.

Keshe is a scientist that seems to feel he has cracked the secret of creation and that he can simply create anything he wants, from working out the vibration of literally anything, and reproducing it. Apparently, specific objects from living to anything else, has a frequency that it resonates at, and does not exist if that frequency ceases to exist. So he has worked out according to him,how to reproduce frequencies of anything and so bring them into existence. Again, it sounds kind of like holographs, and tales of invisible beings and fairy folk, that tend to trees and plants on an energetic level, and seen by sensitives.

I bought a holograph from a "Practical Quantum Physicist", according to himself (he calls himself "Thunder"), and his hologram was meant to make the wearer well from many ailments (except memory, I can never remember where I put it so rarely wear it). Anyway, the holograms apparently projects out frequencies, many many frequencies, that all correspond with the natural vibration of a healthy organ, or part of the body. There are even holographs calibrated by him to eliminate completely the exhaust emissions that are harmful and change them to O2 in a vapor form, and, increase the efficiency of the fuel in the tank, all from a wee holographic sticker in the car. And he proves it works on the car.

So again, if holographic frequencies can heal in that way, doesn't that mean we are holographic?

Then when my ex husband said he set off the customs scanners at the airport, and there was nothing there, no contraband on his body and it piqued my interest. I had not been overseas since before these new body scanner had come out, so his first overseas trip in years meant I realized new scanners were being used now at airports, and apparently some new tech. So I googled what it was these scanners were scanning for, and it was made apparent it was scanning for anything that did not look like the fleshy make up of a human. So why were folk talking about the scanners going off with them, only to be physically checked and stripped in that area for the skin to be also checked for anything hidden under the skin? Weapons and drugs etc were being scanned for but it was picking up stuff that was none of those things. Chat rooms asking about why parts of their body were setting off scanners and showing up yellow squares on monitors in that region made me wonder if it could detect illness, like cancers. Doctors on these chat pages assured folk it could not detect those things, but others had said they were diagnosed with skin cancers, cysts, poor circulation etc in exactly those areas setting off the scanners, weeks later. And it seems the same tech has actually been used to advance medical scanning methods. One woman who had the whole of both lower legs set off the scanners, and glow yellow on the monitor, was told by the security/customs officer that was doing the scanning that if she (the officer), was her (the woman being scanned) she would be very worried. When asked what these yellow squares mean, correlating to a place on the body, one woman was told, "We know, but we are not allowed to tell you".

I think these machines can detect frequencies, that they know what frequency the body resonates at, and anything that shows up on the scanners in yellow, and sets them off that is not contraband drugs, weapons, or even implants from an operation to repare damage to a limb or joint for example, is picking up things which are not in harmony with the frequency of the body, such as illness and so does not vibrate at the normal body frequency. And what do they use to measure and penetrate the body to detect these things? Electro magnetics and light.

Clues everywhere I think, even for someone like me who is not interested nor knows anything on the tech side of things at all.

[findingneo]

Which also brings to mind that we are both consumers and sheep in a pen who know nothing really about our keepers. The big corporations seems to me, to be aware of lots of things that we are not, in terms of the nature of reality. If we are kept in the dark about basic possible truths, we are more profitable for the big companies. I imagine it is of no use for the big boys and their profit for us to know too much, even if it is pretty basic, and before our eyes. Maybe I am wrong, but that is just how I see things. 1 + 1 + 2.

[MorningFox]

I suggest looking in to Harald Kautz Vella's work on black goo

[findingneo]

Yes, agree MorningFox. What he has to say about it is fascinating, and very scifi. Quite remarkable.

Update: Have you heard anything about how his court case is going? I have not looked him up since he landed in hot water with legal stuff.

[MorningFox]

Have you heard anything about how his court case is going? I have not looked him up since he landed in hot water with legal stuff.

I vaguely remember him talking about it at the end of one of his videos but I have no idea what is or was going on with it, no...

[findingneo]

There is lots of clues in everyday life that led me to realize that our soul, our consciousness is what is electromagnetic. Little did I know that lots of folk have had that worked out for a very long time.

Here is an excerpt from the article below-

"In mind control, he who controls the mind also controls the soul, the source of electromagnetic energy and consciousness of that person".

A very interesting article that also talks about DNA manipulation, hybrid human/aliens, AI,Negative Alien Agenda, abductions, etc, which is all tied in with each other.

Mind blowing. ( Yes, it came from SITS, but please don't throw the baby out with the bathwater).

http://www.stillnessinthestorm.com/2017/04/ascension-is-the-genetic-rehabilitation-of-the-original-human-dna.html

[Flash]

Answer to the question in the title:of course