Are these people mind controlled?

[irishspirit]

This program is just outrages. Watch and decide for yourself.

For me, they are under some type of control, just madness. ..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6e3OwOws3I&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6e3OwOws3I&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49ZzIJygo14&feature=player_embedded#!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49ZzIJygo14&feature=player_embedded#!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFca***X7W4&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFca***X7W4&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP_cDxZRGg4&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP_cDxZRGg4&feature=player_embedded

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFca***X7W4&feature=player_embedded

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Sorry guy's,

part three will not upload for me. click link and follow to part three. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFca***X7W4&feature=player_embedded

[theguardian]

+1 for Mind Control

[Lily de Cuir]

Most definitely mind control. Not on my own computer at the moment, but there was a long news item yesterday on Rumormill News. Heaps of info. Linked to Project Mannequin (James Casbolt?).
Cheers, Lily

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Project Mannequin? any references to that should be firstly labelled at the one whom brought it to the attention of the public...........yours truly, in 1994, and not James Casbolt whom copied its existance in 2006/7

[Lily de Cuir]

Hi Spirit Wolf, yes, now my memory serves me correctly. You are quite right. Also I forgot to mention that this story ran on 60 minutes in Australia some time ago. (A year ago?). Cheers, Lily.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Hi Lily, any links to the recent one?

Found this.................
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=191105

[Kent Fallman]

Swedish ? oh dear, sorry..

I guess they are just sick.

More: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursula_and_Sabina_Eriksson

[Kari Lynn]

Sigh..... Might someone give me a brief over view of the vids? You see I have dial up and would take me 8 hours to load 10 minutes.
God I hate dial up!

[SPIRIT WOLF]

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=191105

[anikohu]

To Kary Lynn. You can read most of the story here and the follow up also what happened to the twins after all,,,,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursula_and_Sabina_Eriksson

[SPIRIT WOLF]

These might be useful.............

http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=301&Itemid=83

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=191105

[norman]

Whaw! that was wierd.

I'd guess that if some sort of mind control 'program' was involved in the women's backgrounds there would have been some extra interest in the prosecution of Sabina. It's notable that there wasn't a trial because she admitted the only charge against her. I wonder who was involved in the legal representation?

It's also notable that, to avoid a prolonged study of her condition, she was pronounced to be "well" ( mentally ) at the time of sentencing.

Considering how much wierdness had gone on, it's astonishing that her passage through the justice system was so swift and clean. No serious questions were asked and no covers were lifted off her personal mystery. Minimal fuss, confounded brother of the victim, no trial, no post confinement monitoring, NOTHING!............... very odd.

The Judge who sentenced her seemed quite confused too.

[Banshee]

I'd be curious to know more about the statement that she made on the M6 about " they're going to take your organs".

[3optic]

I'd be curious to know more about the statement that she made on the M6 about " they're going to take your organs".


Check out my You Tube site “megawatts1066”, BASES One 2010 edit, BASES 2 Take 2, and Bases 4 part 1, James Casbolt, and Dave M, in BASES 7. See Also Coma Hospitals, where people die over night, and we believe their bodies are used for organ stealing . Thus why one of the women called out about “They will take Our Organs”. The woman I interviewed describes how FIVE people died in her ward in ONE night, from superficial injuries. She only survived by luck.

This case is a window into the terrifying issues of Mind Control, the use of cloned “Programmable Life Forms”.

This from the link Spirit Wolf posted.

[StephenW11UK]

norman, some very interesting thoughts in your paragraph beginning: "Considering how much wierdness had gone on,..."...they make a lot of sense.

[Carmody]

Whaw! that was wierd.

I'd guess that if some sort of mind control 'program' was involved in the women's backgrounds there would have been some extra interest in the prosecution of Sabina. It's notable that there wasn't a trial because she admitted the only charge against her. I wonder who was involved in the legal representation?

It's also notable that, to avoid a prolonged study of her condition, she was pronounced to be "well" ( mentally ) at the time of sentencing.

Considering how much wierdness had gone on, it's astonishing that her passage through the justice system was so swift and clean. No serious questions were asked and no covers were lifted off her personal mystery. Minimal fuss, confounded brother of the victim, no trial, no post confinement monitoring, NOTHING!............... very odd.

The Judge who sentenced her seemed quite confused too.



Reminds me of a friend who spent a stint in a psychiatric hospital. He is a university professor. Sometimes he gets into arguments where people tell him that he has just got to be completely insane. Then he whips out his wallet. And shows them.


When he left the hospital and associated system, he was issued a card he carries in his wallet. It states that the federal government, under the advice and recommendation of a governmental psychiatry group, states that the holder of the card is hereby certified as wholly and completely sane.

The humor of it is not lost on us.

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As for this thread, the insinuation that is inserted into the whole thing is that CCTV 1984 like deep observation of everyone....is GOOD. And necessary.

[Banshee]

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[StephenW11UK]

Perhaps either one or both of the psychiatrist's explanations are relevant to our attempt to understand the 'how' and the 'why' of this event. But some form of mind control does seem to be the principal energy operating. And, of course, this belief fits in with some of the revelations of Duncan O'Finioan and Aaron McCollum. [Camelot Library]

My thoughts on why this is such a fascinating documentary: largely because of the adventurous approach of one section of the British Police to what was to them from the start a way-beyond-the-ordinary occurrence. The clarity and creativeness of their thinking was impressive.

Knowing just how non-productively some sections of the police can behave when faced with problem situations, we might do well to bring to mind this exemplary performance at the time of any future public demonstration where the police will also be involved.

Almost every one of us on this forum is likely to be actively engaged in learning how to raise and to keep raised our own vibrational level - at a level safely above that of the mental and emotional quagmire of the matrix. So it seems to me to make sense, before and/or during such a possible street conflict, to use our remembrance of this video to help keep the vibrational level of the demonstrators and of the police higher than you'd normally expect it to be.

[Banshee]

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[SPIRIT WOLF]

This I have heard before from others, in conversations regarding so called super soldiers, in the same net I listened to a conversation that contained James Casbolt and Aaron McCollom, the conversation headed towards all 3 being ill fitting for a role of this nature, then it veered towards Andy Pero and at that the guys broke into hysterics.

[Banshee]

Sorry - don't understand your reference. What do hysterics have to do with it?

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ok, just looked up andy pero. can you please explain in detail what this means? thanks!

[SPIRIT WOLF]

When the talk turned to the claims of one Andy Pero, thats when hysterical laughter broke out. Andy claims to be able to jump off a tall building and land on the street unhurt, also to be able to jump out of an aircraft at 5,000ft without a parachute and of course hit the ground totally unhurt!

[Banshee]

Can he get that on Youtube? I still am not getting where you are going with this.... how does Duncan's obvious lack of "finishing" relate to spiderman? sorry to be so obtuse. help?

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Simply relating that the guys talk centred around the 3 characters mentioned above and that all 3 were very ordinary men, not big tough looking types, spiderman? I do not recall that coming into it. Its when the very outlandish claims Andy Pero made years ago that the guys found that too much and simply had to burst out laughing. Hope thats cleared that up?

As for youtube vids of Andy, I'm not sure, I never bothered to check recently

[StephenW11UK]

Certainly, Banshee, Aaron McCollum is very much an opposite to Duncan education-wise, but I would be hesitant to believe that the educational level of a super-soldier has always to be what you suggest is the normal one . Watching the Camelot interviews with Duncan I have the feeling that he is very genuine and that, as far as I can judge, it's from a past that he remembers as his past that the information he is giving us is coming.

[Banshee]

Stephen, I have no way of knowing whether Duncan's story or experience is true. I was just surprised that he is the product of a CIA agent and the supposed child soldier program. One would think that special powers would be accompanied by higher intellect. I can't help but feel ( my own gut reaction) that Duncan was incarcerated as a child somewhere - perhaps Boystown, a hospital, who knows. My gut just tells me that he has created an alter ego/reality to compensate for childhood trauma. Again, this is just my personal impression. No fact. It is impossible to ascertain truth and speak to fact when the entire subject matter is based upon testimony and isn't supported with any evidence or corroborating witnesses. Even the gospel maintained some credibility with four witnesses and that is a 2000 year old written document. One would think in the technology age that if this program really did exist, that one could assemble two people who were witness to the same event.

Oh - Spirit Wolf - Spiderman reference was a mental image I had when you were describing this Andy Pero character! :)

[jackovesk]

My apologies, I searched "Swedish Twins Runover on Motorway" but found nothing. Did'nt realise someone had already posted on this subject before.

[sunflower]

Strange indeed, and sad at the same time, Jacovesk. Any further news available?

[HURRITT ENYETO]

This is weird i watched this last week im sure it was on Avalon but i cant for the life of me find the thread now?
I think it was called "is this mind control" did anyone else see it?
Anyway it is all on you tube.One of the most disturbing pieces of footage iv ever seen but the whole story is fascinating and one of the twins Olga was it? is due out of prison this year.
IMHO mind control. And the perfect demographic, Blonde hair, Blue eyes and identical twins to boot.

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sorry guys just found it here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10107-Are-these-people-mind-controlled&highlight=organs

She goes on to commit murder
All parts can be found there :)

[HURRITT ENYETO]

James Casbolt, and Dave M from the "Bases 7" video make it up as they go along much the same as Aeron mcullum (Dave M is Casbolts mate by the way)

In my opinion of course :)

[selinam]

I too thought the Police behaved extremely well in this video. One wonders if this had been happening in another city in another country, they might have tried to take down the twins by shooting them!

[slipknotted]

that was a very strange story poor fellow

[The One]

Twin Sisters' Struck By Cars, Survive To Attack Police?!

I'm hoping that somebody out there who is much more intelligent than I am can explain what we are witnessing in the video below. Yes the footage is a few years old but I've never seen it before and am amazed by what I've witnessed so I had to post it here. Any thoughts; answers.BE AWARE SOME SCENES MAY BE DISTRESSING


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In 2008, BBC cameras filmed two Swedish sisters throwing themselves into traffic on the M6. When it was shown on BBC One, nearly 7 million viewers were glued to their screens, and millions more watched it later on YouTube.

The footage was shocking. One previewer wrote "On no account miss this documentary. It opens with what is perhaps the most extraordinary footage I've seen on TV".

But this amazing footage was only part of an even more incredible story, one which could not be told at the time for legal reasons.

Now, two years later, this documentary reveals the full story of the hours just before the cameras captured that motorway footage, and the even more chilling story of what happened over next 72 hours, which left one of the sisters fleeing the scene of a crime, after she had stabbed a man through the chest.

Those who were at the centre of this fascinating legal case, including the police and Crown prosecution service, reveal the complex issues involved in both bringing charges and taking this disturbing case to trial.

A leading criminal psychiatrist, Dr. Nigel Eastman, explains the difficulties the judicial system has in achieving justice and deciding punishment when dealing with mental illness. He explains the possible causes.



Full Film
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[DNA]

If you have never seen this before it is worth the watch, highly entertaining.
And begs quite a few questions.

I just don't know what to say. I watched all four BBC clips,,,,,,,,this looks like some Bourne Identity sh!t.

I have some opinions,,,but,,,they certainly don't involve the diagnosis given by the shrinks.

Notice they were going on and on about their organs getting harvested???
Why would they do that?
Were they twins or clones????
I'm just saying,,,,,,you have to factor the information they gave.

Did you see their up close mug shots?
45 and not a freakin wrinkle on thier face.
Look under the eyes,,,,no lines.

Why was their childhood never discussed?
There was no mention of where they grew up.
Sweden? The U.S.? An underground lab?
No mention of parents.

Did they each have an unbelievable story,,,,,,that,,,,,,when cross referenced with the other sister,,,,,seemed strikingly similiar,,,providing validation for cognizent dissadence to be dissapated????
Did their stories match up,,,,and a ,,,,oh my God,,,,you mean that **** really happened moment took place?

Their ability to take damage was amazing. Ran over by a semi. Ran over by a car, got up and was FINE. Jumped off a FORTY foot bridge and only broke her ankles?
There is a thirty foot cliff at a lake I go too,,,people jump off of it iinto water,,,,when you are looking down,,,it is like,,,dang,,,,if I hit a rock I am dead.


Dr Stephen Greer has gone on at length, saying the black ops department is always forty years ahead of what the public knows about.
His daughter is a Doctor of biology and a geneticist,,,she told him the black ops departments have probably been able to clone since the 60's.

These two sister seem to be a superior stock.
Did the Nazi's from project paper clip continue thier work?

[ThePythonicCow]

This was previously discussed on this thread: Are these people mind controlled? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10107-Are-these-people-mind-controlled), but that was so long ago I probably won't merge the threads ;).

[The One]

Dr Stephen Greer has gone on at length, saying the black ops department is always forty years ahead of what the public knows about.
His daughter is a Doctor of biology and a geneticist,,,she told him the black ops departments have probably been able to clone since the 60's.

These two sister seem to be a superior stock.
Did the Nazi's from project paper clip continue thier work?

Hey DNA i was thinking something like that.They didnt even look injured my friend something dont feel right

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This was previously discussed on this thread: Are these people mind controlled? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10107-Are-these-people-mind-controlled), but that was so long ago I probably won't merge the threads ;).

Gosh Paul your memory retention is brilliant old news is good news

[ThePythonicCow]

Gosh Paul your memory retention is brilliant old news is good news
Well, mostly it's a consequence of spending most of my time here this year:

If it looks familiar, it's because I've seen it here.
I've become a master of ways to search the forum.

[markoid]

The whole clone idea does seem to fit don't it.... like a glove almost.

[Anchor]

I like all DNA's questions - also....

How come there is so much footage? Was this planned?

[Wiremu2011]

I think Duncan O'finioan would be able to explain this situation very well. Looks like we just got to witness the power MK Ultra in action IMHO

[DNA]

There is an interesting take on this at ATS


I put it forth that the two sisters were enroute to complete an assassination on a human target in London and their mission failure resulted in their alter triggering a suicide programme.</B>
(http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread678589/pg1)


This is very MKULTRA as far as I know and makes a lot of sense really. Especially when you look at the complete loss the psychologists had for explaining the actions of the twins.
It also makes sense in the instance of Sabina saying "no comment" everytime a question was presented that inquired into the motorcade incident and the murder she committed. It may seem as if her "no comment" stance was like taking the fifth in the US, but it may very well be that she couldn't remember it, which would be the case if she was a splintered personality as would be expected if she were indeed MKULTRA.
Also, MKULTRA folks are supposed to be reknown for their pain tolerance.

[mahalall]

Any toxicology reports? because initially assessment appears to be cocaine toxicity

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/813959-treatment

a sad story of abuse at different levels

[DNA]

Any toxicology reports? because initially assessment appears to be cocaine toxicity

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/813959-treatment

a sad story of abuse at different levels


Yes, and the toxicology came back negative on both sisters.
This is another point of constirnation in the official story. You can see how the police officers in the video wanted to blame the whole thing on drugs so badly, and yet, this would have simplified the psychologists jobs as well. But again, toxicology reports came back negative.

It is worth noting that Sabina placed a heavy emphasis on the fact that her ciggerrettes could be poisoined. Though this sounds outrageous it is noted in MKULTRA literature that drugging subjects is often done through placing or hiding the drugs in everyday normal items such as coffee, candy, ciggerrettes or beer.
Such drugs would probably not show up on a toxicology report.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOARWX3OjFc&feature=player_embedded#!

[steveofengland]

There is so much footage because this program is popular in the uk, where the police take a film crew around with them. I remember this episode well.

[Ineffable Hitchhiker]

That was just bizzare.
So many questions left unanswered.

I had to stop the video and "catch my breath" a couple of times in the beginning.
Went and got something to drink and tried pie´n´eal´s subtle body exercise (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30819-Subtle-Body-Practice). (deep breathing into the navel area) :becky:

My mind had a difficult time assimilating what was going on there. Other than how the heck was the cameraman there in the first place (okay, I see that Steve said that this is a popular program in the UK), how did these 2 women survive? Let alone one of them get up and run off again?
I don´t know. It just does not make sense and I find it difficult to comprehend.

I have read the others´ comments about MKULTRA and agree that this seems to be the case here, but what I want to know is...
how can that one woman get up and run around after smashing her head on the windscreen like that? Even if they feel zero pain, surely there would be massive internal injuries after being hit by a car?
But there was no discussion about any X-rays being taken to see if there is any damage to the head or body(or did I miss something)???

The part I find weird is.... why were there no charges for either of them for endangering traffic on a highway?

This story has so many holes in it, it is almost unbelievable. :confused:

[Anchor]

I have developed a theory that this was a set-up and was a high-level test to see what kind of reaction in the media and viewers that this would provoke. My theory does not rule out cloning, or genetic enhancement, or mind-control in the twins (or triplets (I mean, there is a gap where a swap could have been done after the less smashed up girl was released)).

Of course the story is full of holes.

Perhaps the test was to see how many holes they can get away with at a given point in time.

[<8>]

I dont know what the big deal is, this is two normal swedish girls..
To get run over once or twice by a car or a truck and walk away are no biggy in Sweden, and we of course possess superhuman strength in your eyes.

NOTHING TO SEE HERE, MOVE ALONG....:yawn:

[Billy]

What does one say. Some sort of paraniod mind control going on here. As DNA says, More research into their past and childhood history needed. super humans gone wrong comes to mind.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N3N1MlvVc4

[Anno]

My information is that MK Ultra is a process to open the mind to demonic possession combined with selective breeding to create the most useful types of body vehicles. It is connected to Vrill and the SS through Paperclip. MK really stands for Kasper der Mensch.

The demon's abilities of mind over matter cause what we see as superhuman ability. It is merely the demon's control over form, knowing the physical atoms are illusion and their form/density is controllable. Normal humans can do it too if they learn things like Qi Gong.
Super Soldiers are the same. When they 'switch' or 'enter alpha/delta' their native personality is simply being pushed back whilst a demon takes over.

The human form has been manipulated and upgraded to replace the Greys, making Humans: Grey 2.0. Created as disposable suits/vehicles (slaves) for the demons to use (and sell) throughout the universe. Earth is not a prison, it's a factory.

I'm using the word demon as it's familiar but the religious connotations should be removed. They are spirits like us, just different. The insiders call them "Flesh Walkers".

[ulli]

To me it looks like the American twin was programmed to do the English mission, whatever that entailed...then visits her sister in Ireland on the way and convinces her to come along, and even transmitting some of her programming via telepathy. It all went "wrong" because of the busdriver.
His paranoia is a sign of what the news media has done to people.
By not allowing their bags inside the bus and then dumping these girls in an area which didn't even have hotels nor bed and breakfasts he behaved irresponsibly, which set off the chain reaction of events and the tragic death of Glenn.
Maybe if he was so worried he could have asked them to search the bags for a weapon, and made an exception.
The way they were clinging to their bags was a sign of their fear and nervousness about the task ahead, which their conscious mind might not have been aware of, yet their physical bodies unconsciously betrayed.
I hope this film and all commentary re MKUltra goes viral, so that the whole psychiatric field can expand and start to factor in the possibility of someone's behavior being the result of mind control.
I know they have means of deprogramming people.
I once met a guy who was a writer and had been commissioned by the BBC to cover est (Erhard Seminar Training)
and in the process became an est PR agent himself, instead of doing an impartial report. So the BBC paid for a guy to accompany him every day, and for two weeks this guy gently turned every conversation from "you gotta try est!" to something else until finally the writer "woke up", and realized he had been brainwashed by est.

[steveofengland]

now ive watched that again it is amazing, when it went out on tv i was still asleep and just thought they were crazy girls. it shocked me to think i watched this and didnt think too much about it. i asked no questions and probably ate my dinner afterwards without a thought. but now, four times hit by cars and once with a truck! Im a truck driver and no human would survive those wheels going over them. Even when empty each axle carries six tonnes! And that car roof was damaged badly, ive seen pedestrian impacts just like that and its fatal!

[ulli]

My information is that MK Ultra is a process to open the mind to demonic possession combined with selective breeding to create the most useful types of body vehicles. It is connected to Vrill and the SS through Paperclip. MK really stands for Kasper der Mensch.

Interesting. I didn't know the K stood for "Kasper". I had assumed it meant Mind Kontrol, the K showing the German connection.
A Kasper is a puppet, the German equivalent of the English Punch and Judy show.
And I agree with your take on possession by entity as being a part of the program.
Splitting the personality, then hypnotizing and finally using magic to call on discarnate entities to take over the victim and do whatever their agenda needs doing.
Who is more evil, the demon or the handlers?

[Anno]

[...]A Kasper is a puppet, the German equivalent of the English Punch and Judy show.

That is part of the double meanings so popular with tptb. Consider the character Punch. An ignorant violent drunk who beats his wife then fights with the police. As Steve said, UK Tv is obsessed with cop shows and we're forever being shown the binge drinking ignorant people who beat their wives and fight with the police.

On the one hand it does have the obvious meaning of Human Puppet but it also reflects the outer persona of Kasper or Punch that we're conditioned to believe is what we'd be like without 'their' help. The idea being that out in the wider universal community, anyone that complains it's unfair to manipulate and trade Human Puppets can be shown that persona and told that's what we're really like. By 'improving' us they're really helping and by 'enslaving' us they're really giving us a kind of work experience. A chance to be among the greats of the universe in a safe and controlled way that let's us learn and experience.


[...]Who is more evil, the demon or the handlers?

Neither as evil only exists subjectively. They just do what they do and then others decide if they're evil or good. If they beleive they are evil then they are evil but if they believe they are truly helping the person then they are good.

[DNA]

Ulli Says - To me it looks like the American twin was programmed to do the English mission, whatever that entailed...then visits her sister in Ireland on the way and convinces her to come along, and even transmitting some of her programming via telepathy.

I hear you Ulli but from what I've heard from Duncan Offinian, Aaron McCollum and most notably Cathy O'Brien, true MKULTRA mind programming begins as a child. As such I don't believe one sister could have had the programming and then imparted it to the other, especially because it was the one from Ireland that committed the murder, making her a deep agent.

I think they were both equally trained. Agents are either chosen from families where incestual pedophilia predominates or they are taken from families and entered into programs where it happens like in the case of McCollum.
This gives the pedophiles of such dark horrible institutions an excuse to perpetuate their acts on some one.

The Conspiracy of Silence (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weSzkIB8184)video(Banned Discovery channel Documentary) shows a MKULTRA breeding ground in this case an orphanage.
And in my opinion there is no greater telling of an MKULTRA's trying experience than that told by Cathy O'Brien (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhTVP9DsOag). She is fearless and in my opinion one of the greatest heroes alive for surviving and telling her tale.

[Anno]

[...]Agents are either chosen from families where incestual pedophilia predominates or they are taken from families and entered into programs where it happens like in the case of McCollum.
This gives the pedophiles of such dark horrible institutions an excuse to perpetuate their acts on some one.[...]

That is the bells and whistles version, sure, but the majority of the dark institutions are not orphanages, care homes and DUMBs. They are ordinary homes with what seem like ordinary families living ordinary lives.

By having a larger, longer term view and control over things like local authorities and business interests, tptb can control families from afar very easily. Where you live, how you live, what schools you go to what jobs are open to you.
They can control what seem like ordinary families for generations without the families themselves ever knowing. It's all done through what we consider luck or fortune. When you apply for a school or a job or go to the doctors, they decide what happens. Even things like random acts of crime or winning a holiday in a raffle could be 'motivators' or 'demotivators' designed to push you along an intended path.

These families essentially become a 'base program' that has a measurable influence on the personality of any child placed with them either co-vertly at the hospital or overtly through adoption and fostering. The 'base program' can then be modified by external sources.

Given that spirit can enter any form, even the wierd kid that your child brings home one day and introduces as their new best friend, could be a programmer.

By focusing only on the big exciting stories of orphanages full of reptilian pedophiles encourages people to miss the more subtle activities. Which is why the word 'Profane' is used to describe the knowledge.

[DNA]

That is the bells and whistles version, sure, but the majority of the dark institutions are not orphanages, care homes and DUMBs. They are ordinary homes with what seem like ordinary families living ordinary lives.

By having a larger, longer term view and control over things like local authorities and business interests, tptb can control families from afar very easily. Where you live, how you live, what schools you go to what jobs are open to you.
They can control what seem like ordinary families for generations without the families themselves ever knowing. It's all done through what we consider luck or fortune. When you apply for a school or a job or go to the doctors, they decide what happens. Even things like random acts of crime or winning a holiday in a raffle could be 'motivators' or 'demotivators' designed to push you along an intended path.

These families essentially become a 'base program' that has a measurable influence on the personality of any child placed with them either co-vertly at the hospital or overtly through adoption and fostering. The 'base program' can then be modified by external sources.

Given that spirit can enter any form, even the wierd kid that your child brings home one day and introduces as their new best friend, could be a programmer.

By focusing only on the big exciting stories of orphanages full of reptilian pedophiles encourages people to miss the more subtle activities. Which is why the word 'Profane' is used to describe the knowledge.


I can appreciate having passion for a topic but this stuff is scary enough for folks as it is.
We need to put this stuff in proper context.
We need to try and give experiential data and or testimonials to build a foundation and build from there.

When you bring talk of demons into this and reptillians, well, it confuses the issue, and destabilizes an already unconfortable topic.

You are apparently influenced in your thoughts on this, why not share the source of where you came to your decisions.

Though this program does seem to exist, it wouldn't behoove the orchestraters to enlist everyone, so I don't think there is any need to cause a panic and have folks worried that every friend their child brings home is a potential threat in this discussian.
Trying to insite fear in folks over this topic will only drive them away in my opiinion, and as important as it is, I would really like for folks to explore it and come to their own conclusians on the matter.

I think that is the most important thing we can do.
Lead folks to sources of information on this subject and let them make an informed decision.

I appreciate your take and hope to take part in a healthy discussian with open minded yet skeptical views on the matter.
I understand having passion for something and I appreciate yours in the matter.

[Anno]

I can appreciate having passion for a topic but this stuff is scary enough for folks as it is. We need to put this stuff in proper context. We need to try and give experiential data and or testimonials to build a foundation and build from there.[...]

Priests, politicians and scientists do this. They ask to see the truth but when they get a glimpse they let fear take over and then they run back to create words and rules and rationales to justify what they have seen within a context they can control, then proceed to indoctrinate others, keeping them at a level slightly lower than their own.

Avalon comes from Affalon or a place of Apple Trees. The Apple Tree is the tree of the insane sorceror. Its branches protect the 'awake' from going mad with the knowledge of the truth. Hence: An apple a day keeps the doctor away and Adam and Eve in Eden and the Apple Mac logo.
By definition, anything should be able to be spoken here without the worry that some will choose fear. If fear reigns then Avalon isn't Affalon.

If you want to hear something really scary I'll tell you the story I got told as a kid (in a separate thread ofcourse) about a girl in France who was really a 'demon' in the form of a child. It has secret societies and vampires and everything. Scary though. And quite 'true', so they say.

Alternatively there's a cartoon version of the truth to what I'm saying and it's widely available to all:


The Mirror of Erised is a magical object which is prominently featured in the first Harry Potter novel, Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (released in the United States as Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone). The name of the object is actually a clever pun, as the mirror image of “erised” is, of course, desire. The Mirror of Desire reflects the most profound wish of the person who is standing in front of it, showing him or her sublimely happy.[...]

LINK (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-mirror-of-erised.htm)



What they don't tell you is that:

erised = desire = de-sire

De - Prefix : used to add the meaning 'opposite', 'remove' or 'reduce' to a noun or verb.

Sire - Verb : to beget.

You are in your body now because 'God' begat you. Making you a 'Child of God' and 'God' your 'Father' or 'Sire'. If that 'link' is severed and another is put in its place then you have been de-sired.

Can you think of a 'mirror' that muggle children (and adults) stare at for long periods of time and which has the ability to open them up to being taken over or programmed by offering alternative happy futures to 'desire'?

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Entertainment/images-3/poltergeist-tv.jpg

http://www.ubiquitense.com/wp-content/kid-computer.jpg

The truth is far scarier than anything you read here DNA. =]

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Meanwhile, back on topic. The girl in the video (the one that got hit by the truck) says something like, "I see you for what you are" to the Policeman. To me that would suggest she is seeing on multiple levels and what looks to us like a policeman on our physical plane may be something else instead on higher ones. Or... ...she wasn't talking to the policeman but something else that was there that we can't see.

And to clarify, Demon only means bad because of The Church. The greek daimon just refered to a spirit and didn't imply good/evil.

[Siberia9]

I haven't watched all four videos on this but there are a couple of things I noticed from the first video that I would like to point out. For one these girls are NOT trained to fight, if they had been they would have dropped all of these traffic cops. So we can rule out trained assassins or solders etc in my opinion. The other is that these girls are twins with different accents but with the same affliction, whatever it may be. Whats wrong with them is either genetic or something has been done to them to cause this. I think it would be highly unlikely that they would both snap at the same time and become suicidal and thus leading us away from the genetic predisposition to be a wackadoodle. The fact that they are twins is a red flag to me as that is a FAVORITE to the scientific elite programs. The fact that they may have been programed to commit suicide when it goes bad is another red flag. I would guess that these girls have run off from some govt project and are fully aware that when they are done with them their organs would be harvested and sold hence the mention of it.
If you live in the area and really want to find out one way or the other then all you have to do is hire a private investigator to look into their past. You will have to tell them that you are doing a freelance story on them and need as much background info as possible. School year books, who their parents are. Were they adopted, psychological problems, if so who was the Dr etc etc. If you do this, one of three things may happen, you may find that they are just messed up. Or you may find lots of Dr's with govt and military connections etc. But I would put my money on you getting your money back from the PI and a not so fun visit from the govt and from the black opps community as well. This will tell you all you need to know either way. If you do this document it all on video as you go and regularly and quietly give a copy to a friend just in case. As for me I live in another country and have had all the visits I need, so someone else will have to jump on this one.

[Anno]

[...]As for me I live in another country and have had all the visits I need, so someone else will have to jump on this one.

Do you have a thread talking about your experiences? It would be useful for the next person to know of their tactics and what can be expected.

[Siberia9]

[...]As for me I live in another country and have had all the visits I need, so someone else will have to jump on this one.

Do you have a thread talking about your experiences? It would be useful for the next person to know of their tactics and what can be expected. Nope, cant do that for multible reasons. But I do drop what I can where I can when I think its of use.

[Siberia9]

[...]Agents are either chosen from families where incestual pedophilia predominates or they are taken from families and entered into programs where it happens like in the case of McCollum.
This gives the pedophiles of such dark horrible institutions an excuse to perpetuate their acts on some one.[...]

That is the bells and whistles version, sure, but the majority of the dark institutions are not orphanages, care homes and DUMBs. They are ordinary homes with what seem like ordinary families living ordinary lives.

By having a larger, longer term view and control over things like local authorities and business interests, tptb can control families from afar very easily. Where you live, how you live, what schools you go to what jobs are open to you.
They can control what seem like ordinary families for generations without the families themselves ever knowing. It's all done through what we consider luck or fortune. When you apply for a school or a job or go to the doctors, they decide what happens. Even things like random acts of crime or winning a holiday in a raffle could be 'motivators' or 'demotivators' designed to push you along an intended path.

These families essentially become a 'base program' that has a measurable influence on the personality of any child placed with them either co-vertly at the hospital or overtly through adoption and fostering. The 'base program' can then be modified by external sources.

Given that spirit can enter any form, even the wierd kid that your child brings home one day and introduces as their new best friend, could be a programmer.

By focusing only on the big exciting stories of orphanages full of reptilian pedophiles encourages people to miss the more subtle activities. Which is why the word 'Profane' is used to describe the knowledge. Now this is spot on and most people I guess will have a hard time getting it as they have never seen just how real all this is. They only know, about it, not realizing how close it all is to them and that it is all around them. They still think its somewhere else, its not the cops Ive met, its not the religious leader's Ive met, its not around here, its not the judges Ive met, its not the CPS here, its not our Dr's etc etc. To bad they are mostly wrong, sometimes I envy them and think its better to be blind to what is going on, but it doesn't last.

[sygh]

*** General personality -- accessible under the code name ALPHA,
with possible Alpha-001, Alpha-009, etc. "persons" with distinct
task orientations.

*** Sex programs, accessible through code name BETA; particular
programs are for pornography, acting, oral sex, etc.

*** Assassination programs, utilizing very specific modes, and
espionage, accessible through code DELTA.

*** OMEGA, self-destruction programs, ranging from self-
mutilation to suicide by many different specific possible acts.

*** GAMMA, system deception, amnesia and disinformation programs.
Under this or other codes are track-covering false origins for
the structure, giving the child memories of tormentors dressed as
space aliens or Mickey Mouse or in Wizard of Oz costumes.

http://www.textfiles.com/conspiracy/CN/cn07-88.txt

There is more to this. Those with the natural ability to gain access to a state of higher consciousness can also be manipulated to do things psychically under the aspices of the very morals and ethics they've set up for themselves as protection against such manipulations, when in a higher state of consciousness. This can be done in the psychic state of being in the present, or in a psychic state of being in the future.

When in this state of consciousness, it isn't reasonable to think one is alone.

In the case of these two twin sisters, it does feel like there were others involved. On the other hand, it could also be a natural occurance of self induced maddness. This is why it becomes so important to openly acknowledge psychic existence of the higher conscious, and the akashic records.

[Guest]

[...]Agents are either chosen from families where incestual pedophilia predominates or they are taken from families and entered into programs where it happens like in the case of McCollum.
This gives the pedophiles of such dark horrible institutions an excuse to perpetuate their acts on some one.[...]

That is the bells and whistles version, sure, but the majority of the dark institutions are not orphanages, care homes and DUMBs. They are ordinary homes with what seem like ordinary families living ordinary lives.

By having a larger, longer term view and control over things like local authorities and business interests, tptb can control families from afar very easily. Where you live, how you live, what schools you go to what jobs are open to you.
They can control what seem like ordinary families for generations without the families themselves ever knowing. It's all done through what we consider luck or fortune. When you apply for a school or a job or go to the doctors, they decide what happens. Even things like random acts of crime or winning a holiday in a raffle could be 'motivators' or 'demotivators' designed to push you along an intended path.

These families essentially become a 'base program' that has a measurable influence on the personality of any child placed with them either co-vertly at the hospital or overtly through adoption and fostering. The 'base program' can then be modified by external sources.

Given that spirit can enter any form, even the wierd kid that your child brings home one day and introduces as their new best friend, could be a programmer.

By focusing only on the big exciting stories of orphanages full of reptilian pedophiles encourages people to miss the more subtle activities. Which is why the word 'Profane' is used to describe the knowledge. Now this is spot on and most people I guess will have a hard time getting it as they have never seen just how real all this is. They only know, about it, not realizing how close it all is to them and that it is all around them. They still think its somewhere else, its not the cops Ive met, its not the religious leader's Ive met, its not around here, its not the judges Ive met, its not the CPS here, its not our Dr's etc etc. To bad they are mostly wrong, sometimes I envy them and think its better to be blind to what is going on, but it doesn't last.


I feel for you Siberia9..... and he is absolutely correct.... and if their intimidations do not work..... they will take you out, or try in all kinds of crazy ways -that noone would ever suspect.

Right now I am not answering my phone at all -there have been some very weird things going on with "phone calls".

Doing my best to live a beautiful life.

Love Nora

we are all related

[Billy]

now ive watched that again it is amazing, when it went out on tv i was still asleep and just thought they were crazy girls. it shocked me to think i watched this and didnt think too much about it. i asked no questions and probably ate my dinner afterwards without a thought. but now, four times hit by cars and once with a truck! Im a truck driver and no human would survive those wheels going over them. Even when empty each axle carries six tonnes! And that car roof was damaged badly, ive seen pedestrian impacts just like that and its fatal!

And then she murders her good sumaritan by knifing him 5 times, takes a mash hammer and breaks her own skull, jumps off a 40ft bridge onto the motorway breaking both ankles.
She never enquires about her twin sister who jumped in front of the truck smashing both legs which popped open and still she tried to " get up" again.
The police said it was as though she had " NO MEMORY OF THE PREVIOUS MOTORWAY EVENT " Did not seem to feel any pain, And NO traces of DRUGS in either of them.

We can all speculate if they were Programmed for a mission that went wrong, maybe " KEY WORDS " sent them on the mission from a phone call in Ireland to London, But the whole senario stinks of mind controlled manipulation of some sort.

[sygh]

I'm sorry I edited my earlier post but this is one of the most important subjects we deal with on this forum. It's not something that can be touched with the physical senses but our existence at this level of frequency is real, none the less. And though the results of existence of MK Ultra, and the Monarch programs are horrid at best, these programs stand as living testimony to that side of our existence, along with the sick existence of those who would utilize the subconscious for an ulterior agenda -and call it sane. This is not meant to scare anyone, I'm only pointing this out to make us all more aware of those who would use us. Ephesians 6:11 is not really talking about physical armor.

The more we open up and talk about our experiences, the more others will feel free to follow.

[etm567]

They found nothing in the blood of the sister in the hospital, the one with the broken leg, the one hit by the semi.

[Darla Ken Pearce]

This scenario brings me back to my research and studies that turned up "The Tavistock Institute." It is the grand-daddy of mind control programs and beginning of all the MK-Ultra programs and other black ops that quickly spread to the U.S. after the war. These mind control elements began in the UK early after WWI and were used against the British people first. Tavistock Institute did it first, and even today, their programs continue to be used again us. They blossomed all over the world for a time.

Three other elements quickly came into the picture: Nazis, CIA and Greys ~ to take it further over the limits of human perceptions and mind-control. They specialized in so over-crowding all our senses ~ our bodies and minds ~ tuned out completely and we entered into a blank "twilight zone." Further giving away our powers of comprehension and reality to external controls. Mainly practiced on a mass basis through our TV sets.

Finding our limits and going over them to see the effects and where it went from here ~ yes, they moved right away to our TV sets and through this easy avenue, even those who watched this show were able to go back to supper thinking ~ strange but ho hum, not worth looking into further or up close. It's about capacity and belief systems and stretching them to the limit.

Let's put the sisters aside for a moment and address us, as spectators and observers. While the sisters deserve close attention on their own, that's not what I believe this little TV play and scenario was all about. It was a test of our own limits of credibility more than anything else. Easy to miss in the sudden drama of the scene but even more important than the sisters action ~ our reaction, if any. Wow but ho hum.

Here is a link for further consideration:

http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/nwotavistockbestkeptsecret.shtml


In brief, after the war, the Tavistock Institute undertook the first serious mind control experiments that we know so far. It's a long story but mainly directed at our human capacity to endure shocks like "gassing" in WWI and like watching these ladies be run over by vehicles and pop back up without injury.

Do you believe me or your lying eyes...

At Tavistock they did extensive testing to find the breaking points in our capacity to absorb the un-absorbable if you will. By bombarding our human limits and ability to comprehend ~ what we see and "experience" they realized quickly that we do have limits and if they clogged up our minds and senses with images, we went into the twilight zone, so-to-speak, and couldn't follow events with our normal psyche it just couldn't absorb anything at all after reaching certain demonstrable levels. ZONE OUT. Bingo! Anything goes now. We got you!

So by constantly being bombarded, and overloaded, all things became possible because they knew the level when we no longer were able to function within normal perceptive limits.

Black/blank/blink out ~ where serious havoc ensues....

This is the other side of this sister coin. The sisters also deserve close scrutiny because they demonstrate how our minds when "disconnected" and "fractured" from our bodies ~ do not feel pain, do not register injuries, do not hook up with the reality of being run over by trucks and vehicles. Mind over matter. Wow ~ we see it in action here and simply do not believe what our eyes are telling us. Oh, my lying eyes again. This can't be true! Zone out. Back to Supper.

Fascinating stuff and also that of our greatest nightmares and disconnect from Source. Incidentally, demons are going out this year ~ as we leave duality and 3D constructs ~ thank goodness.

What interests me is that they still ticker with US as this was last year ~ ever interested in our limits and how much we can take before zoning out on mass levels.

As observers; how are we able to cope with the "unbelieveable." They are very interested pushing these levels to the max to keep us at and beyond the edge of reality where they can maintain control over us. Once we become "aware" and switch off our TV sets, they lose their power to control.

Ever wonder why Americans sat watching the Twin Towers disintegrate to dust and yet be so stunned and incapacitated by it, we lost our capacity to seek the real "source" or the controllers behind all that destruction. How many years has it taken to really look into 911 at least for mass numbers of us. Yes, a few knew right away but not that many and even today there are still so many who remain "stunned" and they are unable to wrap their brains around those events accurately. Through use of a simple picture of the towers burning, it's back into the twight zone for you.

There are no demons but those who live among us in 3D have clearly played those parts ~ of good/evil constructed out of the whole cloth and this is part of duality.

Thank goodness duality is leaving Earth and us. With full consciousness, we regain our senses and abilities to be Masters of our own destiny. We are able to take back our powers of discernment. We gave these up for a time to others and now we are able to take back.

Understanding what has taken place is the first step back to our own empowerment. Bringing these FAR NEVERLANDS into our consciousness, as we are doing here and now on Avalon, is key. Thought-by-thought, realization-by-realization, we are then more easily able to comprehend and absorb what's happened to us and move into the light a of a new day dawning on Earth. Then, it's adios, controllers. Farewell.

[Guest]

I'm sorry I edited my earlier post but this is one of the most important subjects we deal with on this forum. It's not something that can be touched with the physical senses but our existence at this level of frequency is real, none the less. And though the results of existence of MK Ultra, and the Monarch programs are horrid at best, these programs stand as living testimony to that side of our existence, along with the sick existence of those who would utilize the subconscious for an ulterior agenda -and call it sane. This is not meant to scare anyone, I'm only pointing this out to make us all more aware of those who would use us. Ephesians 6:11 is not really talking about physical armor.

The more we open up and talk about our experiences, the more others will feel free to follow.


Yes, a thread discussing this very topic would be a good thing though- not in general discussion. Also want to add that Lord Sidious' conferences are probably going to touch on some of these issues -maybe in a broader scope or not so personal -I don't know -anyway I have every faith that the info will be legitimate and informative. Would also like to add.... that the people who have had experience(s) w/blk ops, nwo, and/or yes the reptilian alien and yes they exist and are here..... or families or persons -that aware they have been targeted for recruitment are quite and very very and I mean extremely sensitive and really would like to be left alone. For someone to share their experience(s) is a very conscientious and a very courageous thing to do and I would hope that people would remember to be mindful and respectful.

Also would like to add that maybe someone could start a "group discussion" in groups.

Nora

we are all related

[The One]

I also think its very important that we dont forget events like these and that they do happen

Tptb would love us to forget and for this like many others to be put in the archives to be forgotten about.

I believe we need to refresh these events once every six months xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx we shall never forget my brother and sisters

[sygh]

I'm sorry I edited my earlier post but this is one of the most important subjects we deal with on this forum. It's not something that can be touched with the physical senses but our existence at this level of frequency is real, none the less. And though the results of existence of MK Ultra, and the Monarch programs are horrid at best, these programs stand as living testimony to that side of our existence, along with the sick existence of those who would utilize the subconscious for an ulterior agenda -and call it sane. This is not meant to scare anyone, I'm only pointing this out to make us all more aware of those who would use us. Ephesians 6:11 is not really talking about physical armor.

The more we open up and talk about our experiences, the more others will feel free to follow.


Yes, a thread discussing this very topic would be a good thing though- not in general discussion. Also want to add that Lord Sidious' conferences are probably going to touch on some of these issues -maybe in a broader scope or not so personal -I don't know -anyway I have every faith that the info will be legitimate and informative. Would also like to add.... that the people who have had experience(s) w/blk ops, nwo, and/or yes the reptilian alien and yes they exist and are here..... or families or persons -that aware they have been targeted for recruitment are quite and very very and I mean extremely sensitive and really would like to be left alone. For someone to share their experience(s) is a very conscientious and a very courageous thing to do and I would hope that people would remember to be mindful and respectful.

Nora

we are all related

No, not in a general discussion, and not in a general way; I believe we are far past that stage of development, when it comes to understanding what can be gained by those who misuse the human psyche. Further, still, I believe we are gathered together here to shed light into the dark places. I too am very sensitive to this issue. We should not confuse those who deal with lowest level the black occults, (a twisted sect of humans practicing the debase), with the highest secret of humanity. We are beings of light. Understand, after personal experience, and assimilation the information I have been given, and have actively sought from others, from my point of view, its the world that has gone down the rabbit hole.

My hope is that if Sid touches on this subject, he does it in detail, as opposed to generally. We have accute reasons for thouroughly understanding our psychic being at the basest of levels.

[sygh]

While my thoughts are still running deeply on this subject, I didn't like the experiment Atticus performed utilizing the psychic powers of others while he directed it. The experiment was vague, and those powers could have been used to do a great deal of harm without the knowledge of those who partisipated. It was a smooze. It upset me greatly! I don't like being smoozed with pretty words in reality, let alone being used along the higher levels of conscious, do you? Pure intent. Pure intent. Pure

Its not a parlor trick.

[Guest]

Hi Sygh,

What I meant by opening up another thread was that, general discussion is way too public and I believe people personally may open up more in a thread that members can view only or in a discussion group.

What I mean in Lord Sidious conferences is that people may be able to connect the dots and empower them-selves with more in-depth information and it may not be so personal in nature is all -and I don't know for sure. As for now I won't be able to go....but will definitely be there in spirit. I appreciate your post(s) and I agree that it would be a good thing if people opened up more about their experiences in this area and that it would empower others greatly.

Nora

we are all related

[aranuk]

Since reading all the above comments made on the incidents of the twins I have a more thorough concept of what went on there. Thank you all. When I watched the videos I hadn't read any comments so I was new to it. My first thought was MK Ultra. The Manchurian Candidate. It all didn't seem real with the two sisters being hit with cars and a lorry and recovering so quickly. The other thing I was conscious of was how many CCTV cameras there were. I know that UK have 3 times as many as any country has. But most of them were in colour too, am I correct here. The CCTV coverage which happened after they were ejected from the bus in the car park seemed to be following them. Do these same cameras follow everyone. It was like some person was operating it. I don't know if it was the sisters that were on CCTV or actors. That was a wee bit intriguing too.

Stan

PS Edit. What threads can the public NOT read on this forum? Paul? Maybe

[math330]

hi Aranuk,

There is a central CCTV control room for each area, monitored by a few people. If they notice or are notified about suspicious activity they can then track the person/s as far as the cameras let them. Which is pretty much anywhere thesedays. The zoom on the cams is really good too. Couldn't say if they just follow random people but I guess it happens.
There's a really good documentary about CCTV and what it can do - Suspect Nation, was on C4 a few years ago

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4839556520925774502

Incredible video. I vaguely remember it when it happened but.... wow, what to say?!

[sygh]

Hi Sygh,

What I meant by opening up another thread was that, general discussion is way too public and I believe people personally may open up more in a thread that members can view only or in a discussion group.

What I mean in Lord Sidious conferences is that people may be able to connect the dots and empower them-selves with more in-depth information and it may not be so personal in nature is all -and I don't know for sure. As for now I won't be able to go....but will definitely be there in spirit. I appreciate your post(s) and I agree that it would be a good thing if people opened up more about their experiences in this area and that it would empower others greatly.

Nora

we are all related

Yes, I understand what you meant. I meant both... I mean, it shouldn't necessarily be in the general forum though, as far as I'm concerned, the wider the understanding, and the farther it spreads the better off we'll all be, as thoughts are deeds. It's hard sometimes to convey into words but I'm trying to say I hope Sid goes deeper into understanding the depth (or rather, the height) of the human psyche.

The cruelity we see associated with using the innocent is unfathomable; to my fullest understanding, there is no bottom to that pit. We know it well. From a higher point of view, to know that what you or, I have experienced in the psychic realm, to know that there are others, to know that you aren't crazy is no longer enough.

[Guest]

Hi Sygh,

I believe in some of his conferences he will and bring a little bit of everything for everyone at the table.

And totally agree, yes cruel and totally unconscionable -all the more reason to empower ourselves and not be victim to it as Darla Ken Jensen Peirce previously states.

Thank you Sygh

Nora

we are all related

[jp11]

DNA, thanks so much for the link to Cathy O'Brien. I was not aware of her. I watched all 7 videos and will be passing the links on to some people.

After watching that I reluctantly watched the initial video. And to whoever asked, if you notice, the faces and the hair length and color of Sabrina (the twins) changes, so that would indicate that some of the footage is using actors after the fact.

Amazing thread. Thanks for all the input and additional information.

[Anno]

[...]I don't know if it was the sisters that were on CCTV or actors. That was a wee bit intriguing too.[...]

I think it was a mix of the two because some were at low angles and the one showing the manager lady watching them was clearly composed.
I'm not even sure the footage in the custody suite was actually her. Towards the end of the video they show you her being carried over the central reservation and you can see she's not naturally blonde. She has very dark roots.

The whole coach incident is a bit suspicious to me. Why would the driver leave Liverpool and drive to Stoke before deciding to put them off the coach? He must have let them on with the bags in Liverpool.
There's a coach station in Stoke where the Liverpool to London coach stops. Why not put them out there instead? In the litigation society, wouldn't he be more likely to drop them at a station with security staff than to strand them at motorway service station?

As for the guy who died; it was mentioned early on by the guy's friend that he was ex Air Force and liked to talk about his experiences at the local pub. We know the connection between Air Force and MK. The friend also stated that whilst he was freaked out by her weird behaviour in the house, the guy who was killed wasn't bothered at all. This would make sense if he was already familiar with it from his Air Force days.

He just happened to live where the coach driver just happened to drop them off and where the police (who just happened to be with a film crew) just happened to release someone they'd just seen do all that crazy motorway stuff.

That's a lot of coincidences.

[DNA]

Priests, politicians and scientists do this. They ask to see the truth but when they get a glimpse they let fear take over and then they run back to create words and rules and rationales to justify what they have seen within a context they can control, then proceed to indoctrinate others, keeping them at a level slightly lower than their own.

The truth is far scarier than anything you read here DNA. =]

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Again I appreciate your take on these matters Anno.
I just think that without experience or source as context most data is lost as presumptive.
Most of the points your making are logic based circular thinking.
And though they make good arguments, they are assuming in their conclusians.

This is the same kind of thing Fox News(An american neo-con propaganda news site) does.
They sensationalize something and promote fear on a subject.

If you want to promote healthy dialogue it is best to ask questions of people and incourage they come up with answers through their own searches and speculations.

I've had many experiences in the areas you talk about.
I've had experiences with astral parasitic entities, ghosts, and though I may share many of your same oppinions I only present such information framed and in context with experience.
I never expect someone to believe something outside of their own experiences as stated as opinion, but, if I provide my own experiences there may be a point where they are corroborrated by some one else's searches now or later.


The truth is far scarier than anything you read here DNA. =]

Again, I don't agree.
I've witnessed the goings on of dark parasitic entitites and I discuss what I've seen here My Interactions With A Shadow Being. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?28318-My-Interactions-With-A-Shadow-Being.)
I've gone on at length in an attempt to classify folks in the fourth dimension engaging on parasitism of human spritual energy here Parasitic Non-Organic Multidimensional Beings (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21614-Parasitic-Non-Organic-Multidimensional-Beings).
And through all of this I also have attempted to understand the presense of social organaisations that seem to me at times to be appendiges of unseen powers I speculate on here Parasitic Gods (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31760-Parasitic-gods&p=323799#post323799)

None of this stuff is orginal information. It has all been discussed at length before.
I'm not insightfull for coming up with this stuff, I'm just sharing some experiences and hoping they help provide context for others who are doing some of the same searching.
There is no shock value here.
And there should be no Fox news fear mongering.


Because there is nothing to fear.
And from what I've seen, fearing these things can be the worst thing you can do.
Fear is a lower vibration of energy that can be easily fed on by parastic multidimensional beings.

There is nothing to fear because we all have a built in protection system.
Just like our brain stem and cerrebellum help to regulate our unconscious breathing and heart beat so to do our subtle energy bodies provide protection against said beings.

And given the absolute worst that can happen, which is not very bad from what I"ve seen, the worst these entities can do is form a periphery attachment due to the practice of poor ethical choices that damage the subtle energy bodies of protection.
Not out and out possession.

We always have guardian angels and our existance is surrounded by those who love us, becuase the third and fourth dimensions are as tide pools to the ocean.
And it is the ocean of unimaginable expansiveness filled and brimming with higher intelligenses that care for us and will welcome us back again. :)

[aranuk]

[...]I don't know if it was the sisters that were on CCTV or actors. That was a wee bit intriguing too.[...]

I think it was a mix of the two because some were at low angles and the one showing the manager lady watching them was clearly composed.
I'm not even sure the footage in the custody suite was actually her. Towards the end of the video they show you her being carried over the central reservation and you can see she's not naturally blonde. She has very dark roots.



The whole coach incident is a bit suspicious to me. Why would the driver leave Liverpool and drive to Stoke before deciding to put them off the coach? He must have let them on with the bags in Liverpool.
There's a coach station in Stoke where the Liverpool to London coach stops. Why not put them out there instead? In the litigation society, wouldn't he be more likely to drop them at a station with security staff than to strand them at motorway service station?

As for the guy who died; it was mentioned early on by the guy's friend that he was ex Air Force and liked to talk about his experiences at the local pub. We know the connection between Air Force and MK. The friend also stated that whilst he was freaked out by her weird behaviour in the house, the guy who was killed wasn't bothered at all. This would make sense if he was already familiar with it from his Air Force days.

He just happened to live where the coach driver just happened to drop them off and where the police (who just happened to be with a film crew) just happened to release someone they'd just seen do all that crazy motorway stuff.

That's a lot of coincidences.

I agree Anno lots of coincedences.

Stan

[Davidallany]

highly entertaining

And highly sickening as well.

[DarMar]

this is fairly simple answerable.
You need to explain why whole country is covered with CCTV cameras, and to do that you need a good reason.
Do reason needs to be logical?
nooooo, you just need to mention few times that CCTV was necessary and positive thing to have while your mind is stubmbled about what that woman was thinking and how can this be.
So police, cctv and whole system did right! while mad girls rumbled arround :)
next thing... film it and show da people \o/

so it is a clearly framed case without actors but rather 2 girls from some D.U.M.B. or some other facility's.

[The One]

Worshipper rips out both eyes in Mass with his BARE HANDS

And this is just recent

Churchgoers were left stunned after a man tore out both his eyeballs in the middle of a priest's sermon at Sunday Mass in a scene that resembled a horror film.

Parishioners in Viareggio, near Pisa, in northern Italy, could only watch as one of their number calmly stood up and carried out the horrific self-mutilation in front of them.
Aldo Bianchini, 46, who was born in Britain but has lived in Italy most of his life, is believed to have suffered from voices.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/03/article-2044605-0E33470400000578-944_468x451.jpg

He collapsed to the floor in a pool of blood as his mother frantically tried to help him while the local priest father Lorenzo Tanganelli rushed out to alert emergency services.
The drama happened at the Sant'Andrea church and last night surgeons at the local hospital said that after several hours surgery they had been unable to save his sight and he would remain blind


Doctors said that before the surgery Bianchini had told them he had 'heard voices' telling him to tear out his eyes and Dr Gino Barbacci said: 'In all my 26 years of service I have never seen anything like this before.
'He was in a great deal of agony and he was covered in blood. He said that he had used his bare hands to gouge out his eye balls after hearing voices telling him to do so - to do something like that requires super human strength.
'We tried to operate and save his sight by reinserting the eye balls in both sockets but there was nothing we could do and he will now remain blind.'
Last night Father Tanganelli said: 'I had just started to read the sermon when all of a sudden there was a great commotion.

'This man at the back of the knave started tearing at his face and I realised he was gouging out his eyes.
'I called for assistance and the paramedics were quickly at the scene and he was taken away and then I carried on celebrating Mass but a lot of people had left because they were so shocked by what they had seen.
'There must have been 300 people at Mass to begin with and we were lucky that at first one of the closest people to him was an off duty paramedic who was the first to help him but I have never seen as much blood as I saw today.'
In the Bible a passage from the Gospel of St Matthew, Jesus tells his disciples: 'If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away.

'It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.'

What on earth is going on.It seems to me these voices are part of the mind control programe


http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fthesun.mobi%2Fthescottishsun%2Fnews%2F3849743%2FMan-rips-out-own-eyes-in-church.html%3Fmob%3D1&ei=sKSJToDZPMvD8QPkl8X9BA&usg=AFQjCNEucRohcXYIuB18psF24c7IZzz8VQ

[DNA]

Do you remember the rant Marlon Brando did in "Apocolypse Now"? The "Colonial" Brando played recanted inoculating children in a tribal camp against polio and recalled with horror how the tribes men who believed the inoculation was evil had hacked off the arms of all the children who had recieved the shot. Brando was horrorified, but displayed admiration for the tribesman who were able to do this. He then stated very matter of factly that if he had 10 divisions of these men, the war they were in would be over very quickly.

.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_NwvO1UxN8&feature=related

[Star1111]

I saw this some years ago and found it very disturbing!
If I remember correctly the Twins were diagnosed after the incident with something akin to a temporary madness (it has a name but I can't remember it) .
Apparently it has something to do with being a Twin and a reaction from one Twin to another can set a type of madness/sychosis between them that just explodes
These girls were apparently perfectly 'normal' before this incident and apparently lived normal lives after the event.
The particularly odd thing for me was when both Twins were in the hospital, not once did they ask about the health of the other, something not right there! Hmmmmmm

[ulli]

About the man who pulled out his eyes....
Just as Oedipus had done, according to an ancient Greek play by Seneca , after his discovery that he had killed his father and married his mother.
Although in his case it was an act of repentance.

But what about this Texas inmate, on death row....who then proceeded to eat his eyeball...and who also heard voices:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28582204/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/death-row-inmate-pulls-out-eye-says-he-ate-it/

This is why it's so important to check every impulse, every compulsion, every whim.
The only answer to being manipulated from afar is to study the self,
and only act on impulses that come from a carefully constructed self-defined agenda.
The more one can maintain an inner level of purity the better the defense against telepathic predators.

[Anno]

Perhaps they had a chip or other implant in their eye? I seem to recall a thread talking about tptb/aliens putting them there and David Icke said something about people with implants having a squint in one eye on account of the chip.

[the trojan]

Worshipper rips out both eyes in Mass with his BARE HANDS

And this is just recent

Churchgoers were left stunned after a man tore out both his eyeballs in the middle of a priest's sermon at Sunday Mass in a scene that resembled a horror film.

Parishioners in Viareggio, near Pisa, in northern Italy, could only watch as one of their number calmly stood up and carried out the horrific self-mutilation in front of them.
Aldo Bianchini, 46, who was born in Britain but has lived in Italy most of his life, is believed to have suffered from voices.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/03/article-2044605-0E33470400000578-944_468x451.jpg

He collapsed to the floor in a pool of blood as his mother frantically tried to help him while the local priest father Lorenzo Tanganelli rushed out to alert emergency services.
The drama happened at the Sant'Andrea church and last night surgeons at the local hospital said that after several hours surgery they had been unable to save his sight and he would remain blind


Doctors said that before the surgery Bianchini had told them he had 'heard voices' telling him to tear out his eyes and Dr Gino Barbacci said: 'In all my 26 years of service I have never seen anything like this before.
'He was in a great deal of agony and he was covered in blood. He said that he had used his bare hands to gouge out his eye balls after hearing voices telling him to do so - to do something like that requires super human strength.
'We tried to operate and save his sight by reinserting the eye balls in both sockets but there was nothing we could do and he will now remain blind.'
Last night Father Tanganelli said: 'I had just started to read the sermon when all of a sudden there was a great commotion.

'This man at the back of the knave started tearing at his face and I realised he was gouging out his eyes.
'I called for assistance and the paramedics were quickly at the scene and he was taken away and then I carried on celebrating Mass but a lot of people had left because they were so shocked by what they had seen.
'There must have been 300 people at Mass to begin with and we were lucky that at first one of the closest people to him was an off duty paramedic who was the first to help him but I have never seen as much blood as I saw today.'
In the Bible a passage from the Gospel of St Matthew, Jesus tells his disciples: 'If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away.

'It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.'

What on earth is going on.It seems to me these voices are part of the mind control programe


http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fthesun.mobi%2Fthescottishsun%2Fnews%2F3849743%2FMan-rips-out-own-eyes-in-church.html%3Fmob%3D1&ei=sKSJToDZPMvD8QPkl8X9BA&usg=AFQjCNEucRohcXYIuB18psF24c7IZzz8VQ

Every religion will have these guilt triggering phrases with a punishment attatched.
regardless of mk ultra or whatever........there are many people who cannot deal with the INNER DIALOGUE and harm themselves while listening to the 'voices'
Dyou know how they treat folk wi the voices in Mental Health institutions,....well other than making it worse wi mind bending anti-psychotics,
They get the patient to wear headphones and blare the music so high that they can no longer here the 'voices'

INNER DIALOGUE can get heavy sometimes and hard to deal with.

[Rosco1]

I reckon they are Human/Alien Hybrids.

There are loads of anomalies in the film.

You can see the wheels about to run over her head! 00:20 (lady in green)
And the psychiatrist just says it's due to a psychotic illness????
Not sure what psychotic episode makes a human indestructible ?

Perhaps their bodies and brains used the other 90% of what we don't normally use. Lol

The face and especially the nose changes when they carry (the lady in red) her over the barrier. Almost like Pinocchio!! 10:41 to 10:45

Also you can see the 'eye of Ra' on the back of her head, just before they try to put the handcuffs on her!! 10:48 to 10:50

Look at the eyes! 11:46 to 11:49

Injuries to face or is the the Reptillian/Hybrid part of her coming out ? = 11.52


She also has a strange swelling around the neck area in many different parts of the film. 46:14

The whole film beggars belief!

Pictures now uploaded

[KevBoh]

Have a look at the following video, and please give me your thoughts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPmZNoZvcKE

Thanks in Advance :)

Kev

[lauraheath123]

Had to be hybrids, when the first one throws herself under that truck there is no reaction for the second one, if that was my twin sister id be screaming, any human being would be. Then she runs into a car aswell? These girls really did not want to be questioned.

[KevBoh]

Crazy isn't it Laura? I totally agree with you, If my twin sister did that, I would be frantic and furious. Have you checked out my other thread from today regarding an so called interview with a female Reptilian called 'Lacerta' I have tried to uncover it as a hoax, and have failed to do so, you might find it interesting. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?77449-Lacerta--the-female-reptilian-interview-Transcript-of-interview :)

All the best

Kev

[lauraheath123]

yeah the police officer said himself, she had phenomenal strength, she got slapped full force by a car and simply got up and ran, did you notice they dont seem to be in much pain either? the other one would of got up and ran again if she wasnt smashed from the waist down, mental.

[KevBoh]

I did, unbelievable to be honest :) to get up after getting squashed by an arctic lorry is bezerk. we live in a crazy world :)

[MorningFox]

I don't understand what makes anyone think they're not human... ? Because they're acting oddly?

My suggestion would simply be that they were on drugs. I don't see any evidence of it being anything more than that, personally.

[lauraheath123]

Also a possibility but then thats the easy way out also, blaming drugs for everything, 'oh look hes claiming he seen aliens', must be drugs..... so after watching the video, my opinion, i dont think it was drugs, but then thats my opinion lol.

[KevBoh]

Touche laura :)

[yelik]

The longer version shows no drugs or alcohol detected.

Strange, mind controlled super soldier perhaps

[EsmaEverheart]

To me it looked as if they were under some kind of black op mind control. Maybe in an altered personality fractured by some black op program.

[MorningFox]

Also a possibility but then thats the easy way out also, blaming drugs for everything, 'oh look hes claiming he seen aliens', must be drugs..... so after watching the video, my opinion, i dont think it was drugs, but then thats my opinion lol.

Well someone who is seemingly completely sane, rational and sober, with nothing to gain, that claims they have seen aliens is a completely different thing. I would never accuse someone like that of being on drugs.

On the other hand... drugs or insanity very commonly make people act irrationally, without fear, numb to pain and without the usual responsive emotions.... exactly like the two women in the video. I see no reason to assume it's anything more than that... ?

[KevBoh]

Hi Esma,

I have also thought of MKUltra possibility. Thanks :)

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They don't look like they are on drugs to me. How can you get strength like that if you are under the influence of anything, the drugs theory doesn't sit very well with me, thanks for the input all the same :)

[lauraheath123]

Also a possibilty :), ever notice that stories of hybrids are quite often twins with blonde hair and blue eyes lol, does anyone know how to tell if your fully awake, i dont think i am yet, but the last few days emotions have been hitting me up the face, one minute im laughing the next im crying because i think my dog doesnt love me lmao, strange times, also difficulty sleeping (im not depressed or bi polar lol)

[KevBoh]

They don't look like they are on drugs to me. How can you get strength like that if you are under the influence of anything, the drugs theory doesn't sit very well with me, thanks for the input all the same

[DeDukshyn]

I don't understand what makes anyone think they're not human... ? Because they're acting oddly?

My suggestion would simply be that they were on drugs. I don't see any evidence of it being anything more than that, personally.

I agree.

This is an old story. I believe they were very mentally unstable and suicidal, and drugs may have been a factor (but I don't think that was officially ruled). Adrenaline can keep one a live and kicking well after one's body has been even fatality wounded.

Not everything is a conspiracy and I have seen some really normal things trying to be passed off as some weird conspiracy, some people need to get out more and see more real life, rather than sitting in front of a screen watching youtube videos all day to look for "conspiracies" - these people tend not to have a great perspective on reality ... (not of the op -- but these people are out there trying to turn any youtube video they can into some conspiracy)

The girl who got up again was the one that bounced off the windshield - she could have easily survived that without any broken bones or major injury. The other lady had her legs ran over by the truck trailer - probably broke both of them.

They seemed pretty insane, but you don't have to be insane to be an alien or a hybrid or a super-soldier, etc.

[MorningFox]

How can you get strength like that if you are under the influence of anything

Strength like what exactly? I don't see any unusual strength at all. I see resistance to pain and shock, something very commonly associated with drugs and insanity.

[KevBoh]

You are most defo awake Laura, because your perception of reality isn't controlled by the media, and the willingness to demonstrate the expansion of your awareness says it all really. All I can say is, I'm waking up more and more everyday. This started 10 years ago for me, mainly on religion, and the deeper I dug to the origins of them, the same theory occurs over and over again. I hardly sleep either. But I'm never depressed, and I NEVER watch telly, only the news at ten, and the sole purpose of me watching is to amuse myself by listening to the drivel they spout to keep people in their respective boxes (asleep)

I'm sure you will grow and grow as I have done, and in the last 2 years, the synchronizities have increased ten fold :)

xx

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8 men trying to restrain 1 skinny girl that just got smashed by the windscreen of a car.

[KevBoh]

I don't sit around all day watching youtube looking for ''conspiracies'' I'm not stupid. :)

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8 people trying to restrain and cuff a skinny girl that was just smashed by a car, you clearly saw the damage of that windscreen

[lauraheath123]

Yeah i heard there was something special about 2012/december until 2017, i quit smoking a few weeks ago, knew i had to stop but it was weird, i tried to stop before and struggled but this time i just stopped, no side effects or anything no cravings, at the same time i stopped drinking tap water and fizzy drinks, now i drink bottled water and tea lol. Also recently im getting the urge to stop eating meat, i was always a big meat eater and now ive cut down bigstyle, i barely drink alcohol and have no interests in the soaps on tv anymore, my next aim is to venture outside and do alot more walking hopefully this will help me :)

[KevBoh]

It sounds like you are on one hell of a Quest :) where you from Laura? good luck with your missionx :)

[DeDukshyn]

How can you get strength like that if you are under the influence of anything

Strength like what exactly? I don't see any unusual strength at all. I see resistance to pain and shock, something very commonly associated with drugs and insanity.

Here's a super-soldier alien hybrid toddler withstanding a 3000lb car on his head while another super-soldier alien hybrid lifts the cars two wheels ten inches off the toddlers head - oh wait! My mistake, just regular humans ... never mind ... ;)

J-qQbIiOtYM

[lauraheath123]

Im from Londonderry in northern ireland :)

[DeDukshyn]

I don't sit around all day watching youtube looking for ''conspiracies'' I'm not stupid. :)

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8 people trying to restrain and cuff a skinny girl that was just smashed by a car, you clearly saw the damage of that windscreen

Adrenaline can be amazing to help promote the survivability of a body - especially when mixed with a lack of fear - I know from experience with myself.
And I am sure you are not "one of those types", as I mentioned, but those people are out there - you know the ones ... ;)

[KevBoh]

Incredible lol :)

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I'm from Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch on Anglesey, :) Nice to meet you :)

[KevBoh]

I sure do I'm afraid haha :)

[lauraheath123]

hahahaha i love wales for their names, i lived in Caldicot and Caerleon for a few months and i have to say, really loved wales and the people there :)

[MorningSong]

Yes, this is an old story long discussed here in a very old thread somewhere here or in the old forum.. amazing story..

Here is the full video clip from the BBC:

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[DeDukshyn]

I sure do I'm afraid haha :)

Hehe,
Kevboh, Use the "reply with quote" button on the right to reply to a specific post, it helps with the threads continuity :) (it automatically adds the quote box for you)

[MorningFox]

Get a room?

;)

[KevBoh]

Ditto in respect to the Irish, beautiful accent :) Very nice people too :) x

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haha very funny :D

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I sure do I'm afraid haha :)

Hehe,
Kevboh, Use the "reply with quote" button on the right to reply to a specific post, it helps with the threads continuity :) (it automatically adds the quote box for you)

Thanks, and will do, as you can probably tell, I'm new on here. Nice 1 :)

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Get a room?

;)

very funny haha :D

[loc333]

how about the location of the women ,one is now in the u.s.

[KevBoh]

how about the location of the women ,one is now in the u.s.

Yes, and I'm sure the other one died by suicide, I'm sure I read that one of them committed murder not long after the incident, I will do some digging now :) Thanks

[MorningSong]

Don't dig too far! Just watch the rest of the story in the vid I posted... it may not be up to date now, but it does tell what happened after the motorway craze...

[KevBoh]

Don't dig too far! Just watch the rest of the story in the vid I posted... it may not be up to date now, but it does tell what happened after the motorway craze...

Thanks, will do :)

[fractal being]

Yes, this is an old story long discussed here in a very old thread somewhere here or in the old forum.. amazing story..



I guess you mean this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10107-Are-these-people-mind-controlled&highlight=swedish+twins#top).

[MorningSong]

Yes, that's one of them.. thanks fractal being!

[ThePythonicCow]

Don't dig too far! Just watch the rest of the story in the vid I posted... it may not be up to date now, but it does tell what happened after the motorway craze...

Thanks, will do :)



Yes, this is an old story long discussed here in a very old thread somewhere here or in the old forum.. amazing story..



I guess you mean this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10107-Are-these-people-mind-controlled&highlight=swedish+twins#top).


Yes, that's one of them.. thanks fractal being!

I merged this new thread with the old one that fractal being linked -- as this new thread very much continues that old discussion from early 2011.

[PurpleLama]

PCP is a hell of a drug.

[lauraheath123]

As i was browsing some simon parkes videos he said, 'hybrids and super soldiers tend to go crazy after a few years, killing others and themselves'

[Anchor]

Also a possibilty :), ever notice that stories of hybrids are quite often twins with blonde hair and blue eyes lol, does anyone know how to tell if your fully awake, i dont think i am yet, but the last few days emotions have been hitting me up the face, one minute im laughing the next im crying because i think my dog doesnt love me lmao, strange times, also difficulty sleeping (im not depressed or bi polar lol)

Probably for another thread, but "awakening" (as in a fair way into the process) would probably cover it for you.

[vano915]

Is there a new link for these videos? The links above are no longer working, and i'd be interested in watching.
Thanks

[PurpleLama]

Is there a new link for these videos? The links above are no longer working, and i'd be interested in watching.
Thanks

jPmZNoZvcKE

[Tyy1907]

Unbelievable. Is there a continuation of the above video? The cops were going through their posessions and the video abruptly ends. This has gotta be some seriously programmed individuals. Above average strength and bone density are two characteristics I've heard MK Ultra victims have.