Anyone know what 'craft' this is?

[Amenjo]

https://s14.postimg.org/9gof3tsht/IMG_5102.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

This was mentioned on SecureTeam 10's YouTube channel, I normally avoid their video's like the plague, but as the photo was taken on google earth, I thought I would watch it, as it would be easily verifiable.

I don't think they gave the co-ordinates on the video , but I figured out the location in Florida here (https://goo.gl/maps/gPHFa11mtZT2).

Quite an amazing looking aircraft, there's also this smaller craft below in the same vicinity.

https://s14.postimg.org/4w28oc3hd/IMG_5110.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://s14.postimg.org/ljtqqt3dt/IMG_5109.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

In fact the whole base that this is located on is fascinating.

https://s14.postimg.org/6qf36anzl/IMG_5100.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

There are lots of very interesting structures like these.

https://s14.postimg.org/9upr2vf01/IMG_5105.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://s14.postimg.org/58tmuhj69/IMG_5104.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
https://s14.postimg.org/mm3x9ctwx/IMG_5103.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

And some incredible manufacturing/testing facilities?

https://s14.postimg.org/6b3td1p4x/IMG_5106.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

These are gigantic!!

https://s14.postimg.org/j181qpa41/IMG_5099.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/slrodkzfx/)

The base appears to be run by two private military & aerospace contractors, Pratt & Whitney (United Technologies) and Sikorsky (Lockheed Martin).

It's not hard to see how Trillions of Dollars can just disappear when you look at facilities like this!

Have a look around and see what you think

Love and Truth


Amenjo

[findingneo]

Hi Amenjo, if you go to Securetem10's face book page, a guy called Josh is trying to let "Tyler" know it is a mock up to test for something called a pratts F135 engine developed, Josh says for the F35. It is the company you identified that makes these, so it would not surprise me if Josh has the correct answer.

I bet Tyler told his mum a whole lot of tall stories when he was a kid.

[findingneo]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratt_%26_Whitney_F135#External_links

[Amenjo]

Hi Amenjo, if you go to Securetem10's face book page, a guy called Josh is trying to let "Tyler" know it is a mock up. Secureteam10 present things differently all the time.

Thanks for pointing that out, that makes a lot of sense, looks like it could be the front section of a much larger craft.

Still a fascinating site though :)

Love and Truth,


Amenjo

[Spiral]

Those sheds with the big pipes are most likely for testing jet engines.

[Bill Ryan]

Yes. Good work for clearing that up so fast. It seemed totally clear from the photos, without any other info, that the shapes were those of fixed structures on the ground.

[findingneo]

Amenjo, having passed on part of what "Josh" said about the craft itself being a F35, the part in question being a portion of the mock up is not complete, as Pratt only needs a portion of the airframe to test the engine. Thing is, I don't recognize that piece as being a part of that craft, or even that incomplete airframe. Am I missing something?

[Amenjo]

Amenjo, having passed on part of what "Josh" said about the craft itself being a F35, the part in question being a portion of the mock up is not complete, as Pratt only needs a portion of the airframe to test the engine. Thing is, I don't recognize that piece as being a part of that craft, or even that incomplete airframe. Am I missing something?

I know, I have scoured the internet for anything similar, the closest is the F-117 nighthawk but it still is no where near an exact match.

The diamond shape is very unique although there are a few drones that are similar, but half the size, and that really does look like a cockpit at the front, which would rule out a drone?

Will keep digging and see what I can find, definitely nothing like a F35 though!


Love and Truth,


Amenjo

[mojo]

We might be looking at a decoy. The government knows there other governments with sat technology snooping just like we do over their land. The stuff they dont you to see, well... you wont see it... ;)

[findingneo]

Yes, thought same about F- 117 Nighthawk, seemed like the closest, but, like you say, it might be a drone. This drone is similar but not exact, if you take off the wings.
Up until you mentioned a drone, I wondered if it was a complete manned aircraft.

Drone is seeming like the best possibility so far. Relatively close.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=x-47b+drone&tbm=isch&tbs=rimg:CWLaua_1qtB3MIjgg0FShTcVjc0dhNu1Svlho_1IU4B3XdCkNd3hKG7mYH5ATxuPPJRsaNT9z1rnJYMO_1f4eEKmqE2 hioSCSDQVKFNxWNzEUELyGDwPvGcKhIJR2E27VK-WGgRvsQu7oMC7m0qEgn8hTgHdd0KQxFOLjv4_12yutSoSCV3eEobuZgfkEWS8LoxMjFLEKhIJBPG488lGxo0RPjebmtZVvcYqEgl P3PWuclgw7xEuIYm72EoLyCoSCd_1h4QqaoTaGEUeCmvTNYrqB&tbo=u&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjR8ev8ssbYAhXLTLwKHbgZB_EQ9C8IHw&biw=1366&bih=662&dpr=1#imgrc=p52TF4-dFDGuJM:

[findingneo]

Looks like Pratt & Whitney just do engines Amenjo, so the shell of the craft will need to be by Lockheed Martin/Sikorsky, it appears.

[findingneo]

Amenjo, it does not look like the closest shapes of L & M, the UCLASS, X-56 or VARIOUS. Odd.

https://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/what-we-do/aerospace-defense/unmanned-systems.html

[Amenjo]

The other thing that doesn't fit with Josh's explanation is that he states that the part for testing would be wheeled into the hangar on the left, well that hangar is way to small for any kind of testing equipment, it's just about the right size to store it but not much else, and why does it have it's own runway?

All very odd...

Love and Truth,


Amenjo

[Bob]

Yes. Good work for clearing that up so fast. It seemed totally clear from the photos, without any other info, that the shapes were those of fixed structures on the ground.

I made up a movie with the current Google-Earth image overlays - one can see the surrounding features, the "hangars", and associated hardware..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fhscNF08tY

The central bulge appears to hold what appears to be maybe a scramjet engine (or rocket engine) - a nozzle appears to show up..

Also I looked back a few years and a few months forward after the "target" image disappeared. Timeline images shown below. You can see items/vehicles moved around over time (time of the image shows upper left)..



http://chanlo.com/images/area-3_2011.jpg

http://chanlo.com/images/area-1_2014.jpg

http://chanlo.com/images/area-2_2016.jpg

http://chanlo.com/images/area-3_2017.jpg

http://chanlo.com/images/area-5_2017.jpg

A front 3/4 side profile of a vehicle showing the sharp edge front

http://chanlo.com/images/drone-1.jpg

And looking at the design - possibly a hypersonic "drone"..

https://image.slidesharecdn.com/tetheranthony1-140906111235-phpapp01/95/tether-anthony1-23-638.jpg?cb=1410002319

[Amenjo]

I made up a movie with the current Google-Earth image overlays - one can see the surrounding features, the "hangars", and associated hardware..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fhscNF08tY

The central bulge appears to hold what appears to be maybe a scramjet engine (or rocket engine) - a nozzle appears to show up..


Thank you, that was excellent, gives a lot clearer view of what we are looking at.

Love and Truth,


Amenjo

[Bob]

In the OP post #1 a top view of this image is shown:


http://www.americanmachinist.com/sites/americanmachinist.com/files/styles/article_featured_retina/public/uploads/2014/05/f135teststandwpb.jpg

This is part of the Pratt & Whitney engine test facility - http://www.americanmachinist.com/news/new-pratt-whitney-plant-ships-first-f135-engine at their West Palm Beach facility.

Closeup (nite shot) of a test from the engine located under the smaller hangar

http://www.jsf.mil/images/gallery/sdd/f35_test/b/sdd_f35testb_003.jpg

this is what an in-building test ignition looks like - the exhaust vents to the surface through a long tunnel

http://www.456fis.org/THE%20JET%20ENGINE/Pratt_%2526_Whitney_F119[1].jpg

[findingneo]

How did you manage to access google images before and after that Bob? Looks like a handy thing to know. Thanks.

[Bob]

How did you manage to access google images before and after that Bob? Looks like a handy thing to know. Thanks.

When using Google Earth, usually at the bottom of the screen, towards the left side, there would often be a DATE shown.

Click on that, and a timeline opens at the top left of the screen.

Drag the slider to different dates to see the images captured for that particular date.

If you need a finer resolution for the slider, there is a + shortcut. Then the spacing is increased on the slider between the dates, showing the finer resolution. One can then use the > (right arrow) at the right of the slider to scroll past the last accessed image.

It's a great feature.. Usually the older satellite images will be of a lessor resolution, and the newer satellite images have a better detail.

Also, alternately, if you use the top toolbar in Google-Earth, you can click on VIEW and then tick ON " Historical Imagery" - that will also bring up the timeline. (see yellow arrows)

http://chanlo.com/images/area-timeline.jpg

For instance, here is a movie I just made based on the 2/2016 satellite image capture (this is without the "target" present near the smaller hangar, but looking at the "object" on the grass to the right of the field).. Different view of the area based on that satellite capture is available according to the timeline.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L_0cv7v5Ow

[Bill Ryan]

A front 3/4 side profile of a vehicle showing the sharp edge front

http://chanlo.com/images/drone-1.jpg



Many thanks, Bob: that comes from the cover of P W Singer's fascinating book, Wired for War.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_AhPUHHb4fZ8/TJKYYrzespI/AAAAAAAAABU/OOou9TdIpOI/s1600/Wired+for+War+Cover.jpg

As best I can see, that's Boeing's experimental Phantom Ray (http://www.darkgovernment.com/news/boeing-develops-phantom-ray/), which is this:

https://i1.wp.com/defense-update.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/x45c_model.jpg

But that's not the diamond-shaped object on the ground. I still believe it's a fixed structure, even if relatively temporary — i.e. there for maybe a few months. (Two of them, in fact: one is on the grass.)

[findingneo]

Hopeless Diamond is similar. I thought it was a spoof so did not mention it earlier on, but it seems it was one that did not turn out but was a genuine Lockheed & Martin design. I wonder if it was one that did not make it past the tests as well?

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=hopeless+diamond+drone&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=EzIEeVx4XbkXiM%253A%252CxcK2ZCZjuO_sKM%252C_&usg=__CWG77EA2PjYtJFskteDk6fEtqdA%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwielp7H1sfYAhUGyLwKHWowDywQ9QEIPzAD#imgrc=EzIEeVx4XbkXiM:

[Bob]

Hopeless Diamond is similar. I thought it was a spoof so did not mention it earlier on, but it seems it was one that did not turn out but was a genuine Lockheed & Martin design. I wonder if it was one that did not make it past the tests as well?

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=hopeless+diamond+drone&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=EzIEeVx4XbkXiM%253A%252CxcK2ZCZjuO_sKM%252C_&usg=__CWG77EA2PjYtJFskteDk6fEtqdA%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwielp7H1sfYAhUGyLwKHWowDywQ9QEIPzAD#imgrc=EzIEeVx4XbkXiM:

I saw that in my searches too - the back end "notch" where the exhaust nozzle is seems to be characteristic of engines which have "thrust-vectoring", like earlier posts pointed out the F-35..

In my screen capture :

http://chanlo.com/images/area-3_2011.jpg
one can see the "tug" and support frame prior to the lines being painted on the tarmac.

In this image below, the "target" is "moved" into-place, and the rear part of the tug is visible, the support frame apparently under the "target".

http://chanlo.com/images/tug-1.jpg

I don't believe one would light up an engine outside from under the hangar cover. There would be an amazing amount of thrust to deal with, not to mention, the "tug" would be melted in short order.

Which then leaves one to ponder, why were these items in plain view to satellite recon?

As to "buildings", the buildings appear to be of a rectangular profile, or square profile; these objects being diamond shape resemble the supersonic and hypersonic lifting bodies, or airframes. The "hump" over where the engine would be, visible via satellite and lighting shadows, doesn't appear to be coming from a "typical" rectangular designed building.

The example of building shadows (see the flat roof shadow from the hangar to the left of the "target"...) One can see a straight lined roof-line.

These two objects tho don't seem to meet the regular on-property "building" geometry. Sharp points would be a waste of space, no? They are out of place.

Here is my guess about how they structure the buildings - along square corners. Also are a few other features I think I've identified.

http://chanlo.com/images/building-1.jpg

[Amenjo]

Right, I have figured out a few things, the runway is not a runway, it's a radar testing site. Down the end of the track is a frame that the craft would be attached to, to check how stealthy it is.

If you go back in time to 2010 & 2011 you can see both the craft on the frame to be tested. So they are definitely actual craft that are being tested.

Here's the photo's.

https://s14.postimg.org/vyebp8z2p/Radar_Testing.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/wb5pvfhcd/) https://s14.postimg.org/vlmxj2w8h/Radar_Testing2.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/iu8rckmgd/)

Here's an example of one in use.

https://s14.postimg.org/jjw5347dd/IMG_5113.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Love and Truth,


Amenjo

[Bob]

Right, I have figured our a few things, the runway is not a runway, it's a radar testing site. Down the end of the track is a frame that the craft would be attached to, to check how stealthy it is.

If you go back in time to 2010 & 2011 you can see both the craft on the frame to be tested. So they are definitely actual craft that are being tested.

Here's the photo's.

https://s14.postimg.org/vyebp8z2p/Radar_Testing.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/wb5pvfhcd/) https://s14.postimg.org/vlmxj2w8h/Radar_Testing2.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/iu8rckmgd/)

Here's an example of one in use.

https://s14.postimg.org/jjw5347dd/IMG_5113.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Love and Truth,


Amenjo

EXCELLENT catch.. So engine test facility PLUS radar profile testing (potentially checking for stealth qualities of the angular structures ! )

That would match the fixed low frequency (longer wavelength) dish, and the higher frequency smaller dish pointed down the runway. I seem to remember seeing vehicles at the end of the "runway" target track. I would assume they would want to see the shape (model), plus engine installed to see what the return echo looks like.. (I'll pull up that image in a bit)

[findingneo]

Very astute, Amenjo and Bob, and thanks Bob very much for the instructions. Yes, a very handy tool.

[Fellow Aspirant]

Love this kind of stuff! Thanks for this.

Spoof pic or not, the shape is reminiscent of that of the "Pumpkinseed" design that Richard Dolan has presented a few times. The pumpkinseed was/is a hypersonic craft that has purportedly been around since the 90s.

In looking for Dolan's pic, (created by Mark McCandliss - sp?) I came across a fascinating article from Popular Science that is mostly about the existence of the "Aurora", a "dark" craft that I first became aware of through interviews with John Lear. Some have linked the Aurora to the Secret Space Program, saying that it is used as a shuttle for near earth missions.So that was pretty cool. At the end of the article is a short piece on the Pumpkinseed.

Another interesting thing about the piece is its date: 1993 (!)

https://books.google.ca/books?id=IDpkBfTEN-4C&pg=PA62&lpg=PA62&dq=hypersonic+aircraft+pumpkinseed&source=bl&ots=RsuQOOY-4S&sig=VDdFLw1ck6-pzr3UhlThKQMKAuU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjfgPqalMrYAhUK4IMKHbnpB6YQ6AEIYTAN#v=onepage&q=hypersonic%20aircraft%20pumpkinseed&f=false

And the search goes on for a decent Pumpkinseed pic. :sherlock:

Cheers,

Brian

[findingneo]

Talk of the hopeless diamond and craft that are similar, starts at about 5.30.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9CAftwO1x8

[Sunny-side-up]

I was going to add this to an existing post (named something like 'can any one tell me what this thing is') said post worked out it was probably something to do with Craft/plane shape testing.

The vid's cover image is where a mast comes out from supporting radar/microwave targets for testing.
see vid point 0:58


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1FcIJyRFSc


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