John Lear alleges a holographic veil hides a civilization of 3 billion people on the moon

[Michi]

I thought to post this as a separate thread.

In his latest interview of John Lear being interviewed by Kerry Cassidy John alleges that 3 billion people live since hundred of thousand of years on the moon and a guy called Bruce Swartz over at https://bruceseesall.com/ with his 13 inch telescope was able to penetrate the holographic veil and exposes those industrial complexes and what-not on the moon.

Here is the part:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/8WT4u_Snmto?start=2330&end=2460

I am wondering why no other amateur astronomer has come up with this.
What makes his telescope so special to penetrate that hologram.
This Bruce makes many claims and talks with too many generalities and this is a red flag to me.

Are both full of it and is this just part of the "modern fake news era"?

I am taking this with a grain of salt until we get some HD pics. :silent:

[Jac0b]

Wow. very interesting, thanks for sharing. I have heard various stories about both people and extraterrestrials existing on the Moon /having bases on the Moon in some form. I think I remember listening to lectures from Hoagland talk about various pods etc. hitting structures on the Moon as they descended (hitting something before they hit the ground, something like a forcefield - which could also of course serve as a sort of cloaking device). I have read from various sources about the hidden conversations the Apollo team had with NASA about finding extraterrestrials on the Moon - conversation picked up by hundreds of independent ham radio operators in the US (good site as source: http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/astro2.html) - the weirdest conversations are towards the bottom of the linked site.

But a whole civilization? That's news to me. I wouldn't discard it as impossible, but extraordinary claims require at least some evidence to back it up.

[dynamo]

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I am wondering why no other amateur astronomer has come up with this.
What makes his telescope so special to penetrate that hologram.
This Bruce makes many claims and talks with too many generalities and this is a red flag to me.

Are both full of it and is this just part of the "modern fake news era"?

I am taking this with a grain of salt until we get some HD pics. :silent:
I have an SCT 11" scope and 2 to 4 power "barlow lens" (2 to 4 power magnifiers).
That gives me a focal length up to 11.2 meters which is quite the magnification for an amateur scope.
I have many friends within our local astronomy club with 14" or higher scopes.
We have 14" SCTs and 5" refractors at the local observatory.
We have not seen evidence of the claims in the original post.
Not saying it is not true, just don't understand what makes his scope so "special".



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But a whole civilization? That's news to me. I wouldn't discard it as impossible, but extraordinary claims require at least some evidence to back it up.
Agreed.
You can take a decent picture through a cell phone attached to a scope these days.
Wouldn't take much effort to capture what he is claiming he sees...

[waves]

First it was everything was on the backside, that changed to everything frontside was underground, now it's a hologram.
Just an observation of this particular new age psyop subject as instructions to the players are updated.

[mojo]

Hi,
There's a good possibility ie evidence of structures but people? The title evokes a chuckle...3 billion people getting along? It's not possible, just look at our home that would be abnormal without us fighting each other or leaking the news...

[Cardillac]

I heard this concept on Kerry Cassidy's latest interview with him; don't know what to make of it-

although I think most of what Lear states maybe the truth I have some "leary" reservations on Lear-

Larry

[Cidersomerset]

I am taking this with a grain of salt until we get some HD pics.

John has been saying this for a long time and others say the Moon is artificial
with a civilisation inside. I am open to all possibilities whether in this dimension
or another that there are possible bases on the moon both ours and/or
ET's , and maybe artifacts left up there. Its all interesting speculation at this
point even with all the vids and whistleblowers I cannot say whether they are
actually telling the truth or not even though some of it feels right like the SSP etc...


On a lighter note I watched Blade runner 2049 and there was a lot of
holographic technology portrayed in that including Elvis and Frank Sinatra and
a bevvy of goodtime girls.....
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dUgznccw9KU/WRDoGprR8SI/AAAAAAAA-DA/bvPvrt0QoNsoMCvQFM4fzE38b_gdNsVJACLcB/s320/br5.gif
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfU7mPw2VHs

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On the other hand there are other theories....


The universe could be a 'vast and complex hologram', scientists say

Researchers investigating the Big Bang's "afterglow" say evidence of a holographic
universe matches other theories in strength.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95749-The-universe-could-be-a-vast-and-complex-hologram-scientists-say

[avid]

See John Lenard Walson, please search avalon site for moon videos, something is definitely there in many places, these videos are current.

[Bill Ryan]

Come on, folks. Logic.

3 billion people (or beings) means enough to feed 3 billion on every day. That means agriculture (or, just maybe, super-giant factories). They need WATER (and so do the 3 billion 'people'). It also means extensive and sophisticated distribution systems and infrastructure.

And that's just the start of it.

There may be a very good reason why other amateur astronomers have all failed to see any of this. :)

[Ol' Roy]

John Lear gets his millions and billions criss crossed sometimes! Maybe he means 3 million or 300,000! He still has a fantastic memory for his age! Especially about planes and jets! Some things he says may be true! I would not disregard everything myself!

[Mike]

If they had that technology why wouldn't they just hide the moon all together?:)

[Star Tsar]

Another recent interview with Mr Lear...


Late Night In The Midlands

https://yt3.ggpht.com/TJ7lkgfPiU6xQLMMYQCEzZpLuZx3alDTFFkQZH42wSQPYqX4YKrxW3On2K2DAjeKOzpArzqU=w2120-fcrop64=1,00005a57ffffa5a8-nd-c0xffffffff-rj-k-no

John Lear | Area 51 Revisited / Living Moon

Published 28th November 2017

Host Michael Vara is joined by John Lear as they discuss everything from Area 51 to the Moon.

Interview starts around 30 minute mark.

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[Justplain]

John has claimed that Venus was a paradise and that a psy op had covered it up. He seems to be an 80/20 guy, truth/bs. He was Bob Lazar's friend. He correctly said the reported speed of the planes in 9/11 were too fast. However, much of his claims are unprovable, like this one and his Venus claim. He has the hallmarks of a disinformation troll. So, we just have to leave it at that.

[Caliban]

Sounds like John didn't get that Air Conditioning system that he was asking Santa Claus for. Just a little bit, uh,... overheated, perhaps?:o

[Mike Gorman]

I know what you mean about Mr Lear. My intuition tells me he is a colourful personality, there is probably a grain or two of truth in his wildest assertions, but I have seen precious little concrete proof.
The fact John once few for the CIA is often cited as being a source of his credibility. You have to make up your own mind regarding John Lear.

If you are interested in Moon telescope footage there is an English chap who has developed his own methods for gaining very close focus, he has picked up some weird looking craft and satellite vehicles, some of which are definitely 'Black Operations' and some, well you will have to decide for yourself. John Lenard Walson (https://www.youtube.com/user/JohnLenardWalson)is his name. The Moon footage is particularly intriguing, you can see structures and buildings, you really can.
There is something mysterious about the Moon, it has very convenient astronomical characteristics, and is of a critical size-natural ratios? I don't know. anyway that Youtube channel is worthwhile.

[DNA]

Come on, folks. Logic.

3 billion people (or beings) means enough to feed 3 billion on every day. That means agriculture (or, just maybe, super-giant factories). They need WATER (and so do the 3 billion 'people'). It also means extensive and sophisticated distribution systems and infrastructure.

And that's just the start of it.

There may be a very good reason why other amateur astronomers have all failed to see any of this. :)


There are areas here in the USA where such a population wouldn't have been thinkable a few hundred years ago.
New York City's population wouldn't have been possible in the 1700's but modern means of food production and moving food have changed that.
Spaceships and portal technology go a long way towards moving food.

And as for the amateur astronomer I would present Crrow777. You may not care for his logic, but his interpretation of the data is not necessary to appreciate when regarding the data itself. His findings are what they are irrelevant and separate from his interpretations of them.
Kodak invented the technology to make copy machines back in the 60's and sold it for nothing because they did not see the value in it, enter Xerox.

The Lunar Wave is an anomaly first recorded by Crrow777, this anomaly seems to show a hologram which covers the moon. This hologram occasionally resets and the result is this lunar wave.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK5Nq08r1g
9jK5Nq08r1g

[sunwings]

Come on, folks. Logic.

3 billion people (or beings) means enough to feed 3 billion on every day. That means agriculture (or, just maybe, super-giant factories). They need WATER (and so do the 3 billion 'people'). It also means extensive and sophisticated distribution systems and infrastructure.

And that's just the start of it.

There may be a very good reason why other amateur astronomers have all failed to see any of this. :)


There are areas here in the USA where such a population wouldn't have been thinkable a few hundred years ago.
New York City's population wouldn't have been possible in the 1700's but modern means of food production and moving food have changed that.
Spaceships and portal technology go a long way towards moving food.

And as for the amateur astronomer I would present Crrow777. You may not care for his logic, but his interpretation of the data is not necessary to appreciate when regarding the data itself. His findings are what they are irrelevant and separate from his interpretations of them.
Kodak invented the technology to make copy machines back in the 60's and sold it for nothing because they did not see the value in it, enter Xerox.

The Lunar Wave is an anomaly first recorded by Crrow777, this anomaly seems to show a hologram which covers the moon. This hologram occasionally resets and the result is this lunar wave.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK5Nq08r1g
9jK5Nq08r1g

Yes the Lunar wave recorded is either a fake or a holographic projection. With everything we know it would make sense to project a false image for the people of earth to look at it. Witness testimony tells us there are people living / working on the moon. It doesn´t matter if it is 3 or 3 million or 3 billion people. The ramifications for earth would be similar I would be interested if anyone has come across testimony to support such a hologram functioning on the moon.

[dynamo]

...And as for the amateur astronomer I would present Crrow777. You may not care for his logic, but his interpretation of the data is not necessary to appreciate when regarding the data itself. His findings are what they are irrelevant and separate from his interpretations of them.

I saw his videos maybe 2,3 years ago?
His equipment is very crude.
He jumps to conclusions, IMO.
He even admits he is guessing "it is a hologram".
Very strange that 100's of thousands of amateur astronomers with high end equipment cannot see what Crrow777 sees, isn't it?
Personally, I think he has issues with his camera and video card and is seeing some kind of frame-rate anomaly.

[TargeT]

There may be a very good reason why other amateur astronomers have all failed to see any of this. :)

Yes... a very good reason... haha

Occam's razor wins again!

Anyone remember when we slammed a probe into the moon at 3,600 mph (https://www.space.com/25551-nasa-moon-probe-crash-ladee-spacecraft.html)? How about the one we hit the moon with at 5,600mph (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LCROSS)?

The moon didn't seem like it was covered by a hologram then.

In fact, we've crashed (https://www.space.com/18939-nasa-grail-probes-moon-crash.html) a LOT of stuff (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_Impact_Probe) into our moon at very high speeds (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lunar_probes)..

[guyres]

It is possible, in this humanly disappointing reality, that the moon is protected by a holographic weapon that lets us see nothing but a lie, as this moon is perhaps hollow, maybe even the man who put down there was help, allowed.
So there is so much history on the moon that it seems to me no worse than another.
In this world of disappointment, there may be insectoid beings or even plant humanoids living up there. We obviously do not have the right to know.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Yes, it's completely daft. Even with a hologram 'keeping it all secret', there's virtually no magnetic field on the moon, which means no protection from radiation. Its small mass means virtually no gravity (1/6 of Earth's), and that means no atmosphere - which in turn means no oxygen that 3 billion people would need to breathe. There is no trace of carbon dioxide this huge population would have expired, and no methane produced. And no animals, no plants, no active ecosystem at all that would generate all of the above. Which means no food for 3 billion people to eat. What do they eat, lunar dust?

Occam's razor indeed, as Target says. This idea is almost as absurd as the flat earth.

[Sunny-side-up]

Just my 2 cents worth here.

When it comes to illusion the best and deepest way is not an actual photon light image but metaphysical or frequency related add to that some drugs maybe.

We as humans think we see this and that when actually there is something else in plane sight.

So maybe not a physical light image illusion but a tampering with our minds :(

Another thing relating to our present level of technology/s
We say this and that can't be done but who of us actually knows what they can do, who ever they are in this question.

[Bill Ryan]

Just my 2 cents worth here.

When it comes to illusion the best and deepest way is not an actual photon light image but metaphysical or frequency related add to that some drugs maybe.

We as humans think we see this and that when actually there is something else in plane sight.

So maybe not a physical light image illusion but a tampering with our minds :(



So would that work when looking at a printed, high-resolution camera image, too? :)

[Star Tsar]

I love what John says about how we should be living our lives it is spot on!

[ghostrider]

Mr.Lear openly admits working for the CIA... That should tell you everything you need to know... He may believe what he says but, there is no way of knowing if he has been the victim of impulse technology... The deep state is good at keeping people chasing rabbit holes that lead to nowhere... Just my take ...

[Tintin]

Wow. very interesting, thanks for sharing. I have heard various stories about both people and extraterrestrials existing on the Moon /having bases on the Moon in some form. I think I remember listening to lectures from Hoagland talk about various pods etc. hitting structures on the Moon as they descended (hitting something before they hit the ground, something like a forcefield - which could also of course serve as a sort of cloaking device). I have read from various sources about the hidden conversations the Apollo team had with NASA about finding extraterrestrials on the Moon - conversation picked up by hundreds of independent ham radio operators in the US (good site as source: http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/astro2.html) - the weirdest conversations are towards the bottom of the linked site.

But a whole civilization? That's news to me. I wouldn't discard it as impossible, but extraordinary claims require at least some evidence to back it up.

John is always incredibly good value but some of his information, at least on spec, can seem pretty outlandish. Still, it shouldn't be dismissed completely out of hand although I absolutely do agree that some harder evidence would certainly help to cement the claims. 3 billion does seem fairly flaming huge too. Mind you, if the moon actually is a "spaceship", and why not indeed, then a more likely residence for its inhabitants would be inside the moon.

I can't immediately recall which descendants of which particular peoples on Earth today have shared this story (the Dogons?) but their legends - and legends always have their source in ancient fact and shared experience - state that there was a time in human history when there wasn't a moon; it arrived at some juncture. I'm assuming that any older records that speak of the sun "being eaten", outside of solar eclipses of course, might have been a reference to its arrival as well.

Anyway, it's all very intriguing stuff. How much are tickets so I can go and see for myself? :bigsmile: And I actually mean that seriously, sort of. It would be more expedient to remote view there probably....

I've copied and printed the 'Conversations on the Moon' document and thanks for sharing that. Very helpful indeed :waving:

[Feritciva]

Sometimes I wonder, what might be the reason for some outright ridiculous/rubbish information that comes from people in alternative media? What might be the motive of saying "there are 3 billion people on the moon hiding behing holograms"? Any sane person can understand that if he/she says something like this he will be seriously ridiculed. So what's the purpose? Is it to discredit any alternative theory or wiev as rubbish? Is it to make people stay away from unofficial theories? I cant even say "is it to blur some truth" because this is NOT even blurring. So why, why... why?

Such information can only have one reaction from a lay person - and that is the reaction of B & B to Milli Vanilli!!

LaHa2yAunwE

[TargeT]

I love what John says about how we should be living our lives it is spot on!

The Venus fly trap (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_flytrap) has specific coloring that it's prey is drawn to as well....

The "infosphere" ( Internet, zeitgeist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist), etc..) is equatable to the Amazon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_rainforest)... you are not walking around in a play ground supervised by authority figures, you are in the jungle; not everything in the jungle is looking out for your best interests. In fact, with most things it's the opposite.

[Bill Ryan]

John is always incredibly good value but some of his information, at least on spec, can seem pretty outlandish.

Camelot witness Henry Deacon (Arthur Neumann) told me long go that John Lear's information was about 80% accurate.

What we're seeing here is smack in the middle of the 20% that's not.

[Star Tsar]

I love what John says about how we should be living our lives it is spot on!

The Venus fly trap (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_flytrap) has specific coloring that it's prey is drawn to as well....

The "infosphere" ( Internet, zeitgeist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist), etc..) is equatable to the Amazon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_rainforest)... you are not walking around in a play ground supervised by authority figures, you are in the jungle; not everything in the jungle is looking out for your best interests. In fact, with most things it's the opposite.

Yes of course, bearing all this in mind a Lion must also maintain this pride in every sense of the word... ;)

:focus:

[Tintin]

John is always incredibly good value but some of his information, at least on spec, can seem pretty outlandish.

Camelot witness Henry Deacon (Arthur Neumann) told me long go that John Lear's information was about 80% accurate.

What we're seeing here is smack in the middle of the 20% that's not.

To be honest, I did wonder. What he's asserting does seem pretty crazy. Thanks for the steer here. A pinch of salt with the fries is definitely in order. I've listened to Henry (Arthur) before and he is pretty compelling too; has a ring of assuredness and calm assertion of actuality that I quite like.

[DNA]

Mr.Lear openly admits working for the CIA... That should tell you everything you need to know... He may believe what he says but, there is no way of knowing if he has been the victim of impulse technology... The deep state is good at keeping people chasing rabbit holes that lead to nowhere... Just my take ...
OH my Gawd!
When did this turn into a John Lear bashing session?
This thread has turned into a punch bowl with a bunch of freaking turds in it.
No thank you I'll pass.
John Lear isn't doing that great, he certainly doesn't need this negative energy being streamed his way.
JL has been going big picture before any of us here knew sh!t from shinola about what is going on.
He also served as a repository for information when UFO whistle blowing was a real thing.

[we-R-one]

Mr.Lear openly admits working for the CIA... That should tell you everything you need to know... He may believe what he says but, there is no way of knowing if he has been the victim of impulse technology... The deep state is good at keeping people chasing rabbit holes that lead to nowhere... Just my take ...

John Lear is a rabbit hole I haven't had time to explore, but if he's ex-CIA, I'm left with the same opinion as yourself. Waste- of- time.... As many of us are learning, one never leaves the CIA, which means you are constantly guessing whether they're making up stories for the sole purpose of disinformation. Until integrity is restored in this reality, these individuals will be difficult to take seriously. Thanks for saving me some time.



He also served as a repository for information when UFO whistle blowing was a real thing.

Considering his CIA link, I bet he did! lol




“…And this is how this game is played, is that, a lot of these people are retired from the CIA, but as in Chase Brandon, who is one of the ‘magicians’, he said, It’s like Hotel California, you can check out but you can’t leave. And all CIA people continue to work under contract, they’re just no longer with the CIA and they do contract work.”- UFO researcher Grant Cameron said in an interview July 11, 2017.

[ghostrider]

Relax, again its just my take ...I respect Mr Lear ... I would never be negative towards him ...Im just saying people that work for the CIA could be under mind control and not even know it, with implanted information to muddy the waters ...

[Tintin]

Mr.Lear openly admits working for the CIA... That should tell you everything you need to know... He may believe what he says but, there is no way of knowing if he has been the victim of impulse technology... The deep state is good at keeping people chasing rabbit holes that lead to nowhere... Just my take ...
OH my Gawd!
When did this turn into a John Lear bashing session?
This thread has turned into a punch bowl with a bunch of freaking turds in it.
No thank you I'll pass.
John Lear isn't doing that great, he certainly doesn't need this negative energy being streamed his way.
JL has been going big picture before any of us here knew sh!t from shinola about what is going on.
He also served as a repository for information when UFO whistle blowing was a real thing.

In fairness DNA, and it may appear as if he is being 'bashed', what many of us are doing here is simply questioning the likeliness of the information he is offering as being solid. We aren't actually bashing John. In fact, I really still like the guy!

I think we're all being careful with what we hitch our wagon to with his latest offering. I'm pretty open-minded and objective but even I'm finding some of this recent information, should we say, a little questionable.

[we-R-one]

I took the comments to be a form of discernment not bashing. Many have spent hours watching/listening to individuals within the field who are suppose to be in ‘the know’, only to find out later they were purposefully deceived. We are all tired of being lied to and seriously this 80/20 stuff is annoying. Who has time to sift through all this stuff? I spend a lot of time researching and try to share what I’ve learned as I realize many don’t have time. It's impossible to thoroughly cover every topic so I appreciate the input offered by other Avalonians. I welcome the fact that more and more are beginning to question these people. Unfortunately these CIA associates are being given platforms to spread their disinfo far and wide and it's time to call them out.

[Cidersomerset]

I took the comments to be a form of discernment not bashing.

I hear you and we have been here many times before....

Some of his ideas like the 3 bil on the moon, Soul catching machine,
people living on every planet in the solar system and others are
ridiculous in the reality we live in. But what is reality ?

John used to say about William Cooper that he had 'UFO Disease' that when a
researcher ran out of ideas they chased more obscure leads and I would say John
may have caught it. But I will always give him respect and he has helped publicise
the field. Many people were involved with national security from WW11 thru the
cold war till today , Nick Pope is a classic example .

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Some talking points from......
John Lear.." A Day With A Extraterrestial" BY Lou Baldwin...
There are 40 planets in our solar system !!!
ET's are visiting earth all the time for R & R..
The sun is a electomagnetic sphere..
There are over 300 types of Aliens living in the Sun
All the planets in the solar system are about 72 degrees and all are inhabited..
Israel set off an atomic bomb to destroy Fukishima under cover of a smaller earthquake...

Funny I was saying this in 2011 not long after I joined the forum

John Lear.." A Day With A Extraterrestial" BY Lou Baldwin...
1st August 2011 11:30

Yes John is a Character and in one of the Camelot vids he talks about the
late Bill cooper having UFO disease, meaning on the circuit if you have run out of
data you may feel obliged to elaborate stories to keep your audience happy !! John
may have reached that stage ? With so many shows and conferences going on new
material is bound to be dubious, but he is sure entertaining and 'Far Out' There,
and always worth listening to in my opinion ...Steve



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Re: John Lear - Revelations
4th November 2012 15:45
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51665-John-Lear-Revelations&p=579014&viewfull=1#post579014

I like John Lear and when I found Project Camelot his was one of the first
interviews I watched.At the time I was not sure what to make of him.Sure he was
charismatic,witty, knowledgeable and very well qualified in aviation and alternate
knowledge.But some of his views were way out there. Like has been said, the more
we are learning from other researchers , the more Johns view of 'wonderland is
becoming reality' !!

Anybody seen that darn white rabbit !!

http://planetjan.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/rabbithole1.jpg

A thread I put up a couple weeks ago...

John Lear - 9/11, Moon Conspiracy, Secret Space Program and Extras -Bases 14=Sept2012
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50424-John-Lear-9-11-Moon-Conspiracy-Secret-Space-Program-and-Extras-Bases-14-Sept2012

John Lear.." A Day With A Extraterrestial" BY Lou Baldwin...
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?26592-John-Lear..-A-Day-With-A-Extraterrestial-BY-Lou-Baldwin...

[we-R-one]

YEs I've found having a malleable belief system is a must in this type of researching climate. It was the summer of 10 when I began to realize everything that's magical is what's real and that this 3D reality was not what I had once believed it to be....the saying, 'this isn't Kansas anymore' comes to mind. So I do understand that some of those 'out there' views might have more truth than we first imagined. I'm more than ready to get on with the new reality, I'm just tired of the deception, hence my irritation.

[DNA]

Mr.Lear openly admits working for the CIA... That should tell you everything you need to know... He may believe what he says but, there is no way of knowing if he has been the victim of impulse technology... The deep state is good at keeping people chasing rabbit holes that lead to nowhere... Just my take ...

He was a pilot and basically served as an air based cab driver as I recall.

Is a taxi cab driver in New York City working for the CIA if he gives a central intelligence agent a ride to work?

Billy Meier was compromised by the Befath for some time through mental and psionic type mind control.
Should we attribute all of his work and writings to the Befath?
Do you see what kind of damage is done when we take some one's life time of work and decide to negate it and or label it as questionable or under the influence due to a few unsavory associations or connections?

Let's go a step further.
John Lear backs up Billy Meier and states that Billy's story is 100% true.
According to you we now know through John Lear's association with the CIA that Billy Meir is really a fraud, for why else would the compromised John Lear tell us that Billy is legit? So Billy Meier is a CIA disinformation campaign. Whew, I'm glad you cleared that up for me.

[DNA]

In fairness DNA, and it may appear as if he is being 'bashed', what many of us are doing here is simply questioning the likeliness of the information he is offering as being solid. We aren't actually bashing John. In fact, I really still like the guy!

I think we're all being careful with what we hitch our wagon to with his latest offering. I'm pretty open-minded and objective but even I'm finding some of this recent information, should we say, a little questionable.
Look, I would never say believe anyone's information 100%. John Lear is the best source for earth being a prison planet and the moon being used to recycle earth souls according to something Bob Lazar read at area 51 called "The Yellow Book".
This is something that seemed to be corroborated by a poster on ATS calling himself "Sleeper" who turned out to be a man named Lou Baldin.
Lou Baldin has a couple of books that are in Bill Ryan's "Avalon Library", and they are personal accounts by Baldin stating that "we" are all abducted at specific ages in our lives by "greys" on the moon who remove our souls from our bodies and place them in "new" cloned versions of our selves.
These "greys" know us from brown eye to eyelashes and are apparently a common for everyone of us.
This is even corroborated to some extent by what Dr. Karla Turner has told us in her books written in the nineties documenting the "greys" ability to remove souls with a black cube and place said souls into new cloned bodies.

Now, do I believe this sh!t?
No f#cking way!
There is just no way I'm going to personally buy into this.
Do I throw Mr. Lear under the bus and say he is a compromised CIA asset as a result.
No.
No I do not.
I have nothing but respect and love for Mr. Lear.
I may not believe everything the man says but I believe in "The Man".
I believe in John Lear.
I have nothing against folks criticizing the information being shared. Parr for the course, but I do get my feathers ruffled when folks attack the man. :tinfoil3:

[ghostrider]

have a great day ...i wish you peace love freedom and harmony ...

[we-R-one]

Mr.Lear openly admits working for the CIA... That should tell you everything you need to know... He may believe what he says but, there is no way of knowing if he has been the victim of impulse technology... The deep state is good at keeping people chasing rabbit holes that lead to nowhere... Just my take ...

He was a pilot and basically served as an air based cab driver as I recall.

He wasn’t ‘just a pilot’, according to his bio on Coast to Coast which I assume he approved. He was a pilot for the CIA, which means he worked for the CIA…at least that’s how I interpret the information. When I surf around looking for info, some list him as an ex-CIA operative.


Is a taxi cab driver in New York City working for the CIA if he gives a central intelligence agent a ride to work?
Big difference between working for the CIA and driving a cab for a living which we all know is a job where anyone can hop into your cab for a ride. Wow does this really have to be explained?


Billy Meier was compromised by the Befath for some time through mental and psionic type mind control.
Should we attribute all of his work and writings to the Befath?
Do you see what kind of damage is done when we take some one's life time of work and decide to negate it and or label it as questionable or under the influence due to a few unsavory associations or connections?
From what little I’ve read I don’t see these as a ‘few’ associations or connections…the dude clearly ‘worked’ for the CIA. Meaning, it’s why some of us feel there’s a good chance the information he relays to the public is compromised.


Let's go a step further.
John Lear backs up Billy Meier and states that Billy's story is 100% true.
According to you we now know through John Lear's association with the CIA that Billy Meir is really a fraud, for why else would the compromised John Lear tell us that Billy is legit? So Billy Meier is a CIA disinformation campaign. Whew, I'm glad you cleared that up for me.

We don’t know, and that’s the point, how can anyone believe half of what these ex-CIA associates say when we know what many of them do within the ufology field(spread disinfo)? Which means, to spell it out, what he’s said about Billy Meir(fictitiously per your example) may or may not be true. Which is why people aren’t so willing to support The Man in all his glory. Pretty simple.... I perceive people attempting to use discernment and critical thinking and who can blame us after all the deception. I have nothing against Lear, but find spending hours listening to ex-CIA not always the best use of my time. Unfortunately if I want to semi-keep up with what's going on I almost have to.

[Tony P]

Interesting thread......a holographic veil? Take a look at:

http://bartoszwojczynski.com/picture-151124-aristarchus

A nice clear picture! And use a magnifier on Aristarchus - see anything??? I have looked at many of bruceseesall's videos, and whilst most of them seem unclear I think the point he makes is clear though.
Here's a question that I have asked elsewhere and NEVER had a (sensible) answer to it -
IF NASA sent men to the Moon, in advance they had already seen photo's of what was on the Lunar surface - structures etc. So, IF man did land on the Moon how did NASA know they would be welcome by whoever was already present??

Tony P.

[Valerie Villars]

Wouldn't the state of our being prevent us from seeing some things? Like bosons and fermions? Or am I way off base?

[DNA]

Wouldn't the state of our being prevent us from seeing some things? Like bosons and fermions? Or am I way off base?
I think this is the crux of the situation.
We could start a thread on this very scenario.
I'm absolutely of the opinion that life is imbued with soul and soul energy and this energy has a spectrum of levels it is capable of manifesting in.
Each of these levels that manifest have a corresponding organ of awareness and or sensory orafice.
I'm not sure how wide the spectrum goes and or how many levels it has, but suffice it to say that we on earth are damned in the sense that we are cut off from accessing these levels/spectrums.
Multidimensionality is but an eight syllable word with no real meaning.
But,,,
This is not the case for those who visit us.
Those who visit us are regularly accessing different areas of their multidimensional energy spectrum, and in my opinion they engage a corresponding area in OUR energy spectrum when interactions do take place.
I state this to emphasize why it is so difficult for abductees to recount their abduction with any real clarity.
They can no longer access the energy field within themselves that was activated when abducted, further more it is even difficult for them to recount the event due to the memory of the event being stored in the no longer accessible energy field that was activated when/while they were abducted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaqJ4SKdRL0
GaqJ4SKdRL0

[Valerie Villars]

DNA, you hit the nail on the head. It is exactly the nature of what I experienced and for some reason, I remembered an article I had read (and cut and put in my journal) about bosons and fermions right around the time I was spiritually targeted. And I was working with scientists at the time. Very few of them "good". God that was a weird time. I found that article at work one day and along with a few books I was reading.........well, I believe I was getting too close to the truth.

Well, of course when I try to recount what I experienced (for about a year) I sound like a crazy person. I assure you I am not. I like quantum physics. It explains pretty much everything.

You see, I was able to converse with them on their level and they were exiting and entering my life. It's very difficult to explain. But, I knew "they" were different and very, very physical. These were NOT hallucinations.

[Valerie Villars]

Great video by the way.