Joseph P. Farrell and Dark Journalist analyze Q Anon material

[PathWalker]

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Very good analysis and dot connection about the material, its agenda and its origin.

[TargeT]

I had a chance to listen to the Dark Journalist interview with Farrell. I heard a lot of mental masturbation, many conflicting remarks, lack of knowledge on the subject (even though Farrell tries to convince the listener that he read the pdf 5 times front to back… ahem), picks out remarks and answers from anons in the document and presents it as “the material” (misleading).

Their biggest argument is that this “material” is a marketing ploy by the deep state… Funny, because I’m noticing that the biggest critics lately are from journalists from the alt media. Is the Q material cutting into their market share? Is the Q material delivering more insider information than their own guarded insiders of the past xx years?

The arguments presented here are very flaky.

The best critical thinking on this subject, that I have encountered to date, was from a retired military officer who presented his views on the Reddit forum. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find it… I’ll keep looking

I agree with the above assessment.

[Flash]

I do not agree with Chuck at all, nor with you target.

I do think that your views are based on a lack of knowledge on what is used in the business world, in psychology, and more. I have seen all of these with Q, on the manipulative side.

See the other thread on Q, my argument is there.

[Kryztian]

Great interview! I somehow missed out on the "Q Anon" story until this week and they do a good job of starting from the beginning.

Time and time again, we see information that is manufactured by people in the deep state to feed into our desires, into our ideology, into our hopes for the future. Whether it be the Ben Fulford/White Dragon story, the latest news from Sorcha Faal, Corey Goode, and probably some material that most of us at Avalon have yet to hold as suspect, there is a huge industry that has connections to places like Langley, Virginia, that is infesting the entire news landscape with dung piles.

The conflict is between our desire to want certain information to be true, and our desire to get to the bottom of the truth without giving into our desires, prejudices and hopes that certain people and ideas are found to be "right" and "wrong." If you give into the former, there is someone out there waiting to lead you further astray.

[enigma3]

MegaAnon says that Q is a larp. A little information and a lot of disinformation.
The MegaAnon posts have been collated by Todd Whiskey on Reddit.

[Praxis]

Ok what is surreal is the use of Hope Porn

I am not aware of other people using this term before I used it here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90935-THE-EVENT-Meta-Analysis-and-paralysis&p=1070725&viewfull=1#post1070725

Did I coin this term or did I pick it up from somewhere else subconsciously?

Using the search engine on this site for specific terms and where they actually appear in a 84 deep level thread is soo frustrating so I have not actually combed through the data here. But google trends shows pretty much nothing, unless you are into a girl named hope doing actual porn.

When I wrote that thread, I was taking a wilcock meme of Fear Porn and turning it on him.

So I wanted to ask the crowd source. Do you know of the term Hope Porn being used before I used?

Which btw, I feel that Q is exactly that and it is meant to keep you chasing leads while not focusing on what is happening. Think of the magic trick. There is the assistant(Q) keeping you distracted while the magician(MJ12) is at work.

[Operator]

One of the things David Icke said some years ago is that those people behind the scenes can't stay hidden forever.
They have to surface at some point in time ...

How remarkable is it that anyone who speaks out now exposes himself by expressing strong opinions.

Yes, Daniel and Joseph point out that the whole thing follows a marketing scheme. Not only the Q saga
but also the Tom deLonge operation. But then at the end of his 'show' Daniel reminds us that we can
still profit from some holdiday special and get a subscription for a lower price before he raises the fees
in 2018 ...

It clearly shows they are clever business men too following the recipe themselves to make a buck.

I think we're being played from all sites .... but we should indeed give up our search for a messiah
since none of them will be. As long as they keep us distracted by their breadcrums looking down
following the trail we'll end up where they lead us to. Let's look up and forward, find your own path.

[ditting]

Did I coin this term or did I pick it up from somewhere else subconsciously?

I was able to find the hashtag used on twitter as far back as 2010 https://twitter.com/hashtag/hopeporn

[Praxis]

Did I coin this term or did I pick it up from somewhere else subconsciously?

I was able to find the hashtag used on twitter as far back as 2010 https://twitter.com/hashtag/hopeporn

Thanks for that ditting.

It was interesting to go back and look at all the different things it has been applied to.

[Helene West]

The hope-porn just seems especially pernicious now because it's being offered at a time when they are trying to take the president down with something very sadistic - the claim he has mental problems. How cruel to do that to anyone.

They sharpen their knives and drool while they target a person who is really just a symbol - OF US. It is the right of center and Alt communities that these people want to crush. Trump is just a symbol, he didn't elect himself. The people who are trying to frame him for being psychiatrically unfit would hate most people on this forum imho. Yet, anger is a mortal sin in the alt community (except for alex jones who I feel many live vicariously through). I'm not saying we should all be ranting like aj but the hope-porn could be to make lambs in the face of slaughterers.
It's ok to be a little pissed folks.

In retrospect I'm surprised Q didn't come up with the 'hope-porn' approach sooner

[neutronstar]

I had a chance to listen to the Dark Journalist interview with Farrell. I heard a lot of mental masturbation, many conflicting remarks, lack of knowledge on the subject (even though Farrell tries to convince the listener that he read the pdf 5 times front to back… ahem), picks out remarks and answers from anons in the document and presents it as “the material” (misleading).

Their biggest argument is that this “material” is a marketing ploy by the deep state… Funny, because I’m noticing that the biggest critics lately are from journalists from the alt media. Is the Q material cutting into their market share? Is the Q material delivering more insider information than their own guarded insiders of the past xx years?

The arguments presented here are very flaky.

The best critical thinking on this subject, that I have encountered to date, was from a retired military officer who presented his views on the Reddit forum. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find it… I’ll keep looking

I agree with the above assessment.

I think this is one possibility. Q is definitely someone with inside knowledge. I think people take sides way to fast. Almost like they want to be first to say I told you so in the end. Time will tell whether Q is a patriot or disinfo. It is too early to tell and anyone who says otherwise is just guessing.

[neutronstar]

The hope-porn just seems especially pernicious now because it's being offered at a time when they are trying to take the president down with something very sadistic - the claim he has mental problems. How cruel to do that to anyone.

They sharpen their knives and drool while they target a person who is really just a symbol - OF US. It is the right of center and Alt communities that these people want to crush. Trump is just a symbol, he didn't elect himself. The people who are trying to frame him for being psychiatrically unfit would hate most people on this forum imho. Yet, anger is a mortal sin in the alt community (except for alex jones who I feel many live vicariously through). I'm not saying we should all be ranting like aj but the hope-porn could be to make lambs in the face of slaughterers.
It's ok to be a little pissed folks.

In retrospect I'm surprised Q didn't come up with the 'hope-porn' approach sooner

So you are saying nobody in the Military or the intelligence community, or law enforcement, or any other part of the Gov. is awake. Just us in the alternative community. Wow, we are truly genuineness. Maybe the intelligence community should hire all of us. LOL

I do hold out hope, because I know most of the people in Gov. are basically good people. I believe there is a war going on in Government right now. The only thing the people in the alternative community are doing is to spread the word and help people who are in position to do something wake up to what is going on. It is people in law enforcement, people in Government, in the military that are going to stop the sociopaths in Gov. It is not going to be the average joe.

[Helene West]

The hope-porn just seems especially pernicious now because it's being offered at a time when they are trying to take the president down with something very sadistic - the claim he has mental problems. How cruel to do that to anyone.

They sharpen their knives and drool while they target a person who is really just a symbol - OF US. It is the right of center and Alt communities that these people want to crush. Trump is just a symbol, he didn't elect himself. The people who are trying to frame him for being psychiatrically unfit would hate most people on this forum imho. Yet, anger is a mortal sin in the alt community (except for alex jones who I feel many live vicariously through). I'm not saying we should all be ranting like aj but the hope-porn could be to make lambs in the face of slaughterers.
It's ok to be a little pissed folks.

In retrospect I'm surprised Q didn't come up with the 'hope-porn' approach sooner

So you are saying nobody in the Military or the intelligence community, or law enforcement, or any other part of the Gov. is awake. Just us in the alternative community. Wow, we are truly genuineness. Maybe the intelligence community should hire all of us. LOL



No Neutron, I did not say that. Trump is not a symbol of the intelligence community, law enforcement, etc. For the left he is a symbol of middle class america that does not agree with their agenda. The left is not going after Leo's or Intel, why should they? They have rogue intel on their side if you've been paying attention.

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Turiya has just posted a map from Q on the other Q thread. It's an incredible map of dot connections. Sorry I don't know how to cross post but if you have a moment take a look on the other Q thread, it will be a Wow moment

[RunningDeer]

Thank you, PathWalker. For future reference, Dark Journalist, Daniel Liszt invites us to share his material but requests that the summary information be included.

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Published on Jan 8, 2018

Deep State Trial Balloon Aimed at Alternative Media?

In this fascinating episode Dark Journalist Daniel Liszt welcomes back Oxford Scholar Dr. Joseph P. Farrell the author of the popular Giza Death Star Book Series. Farrell delves deeply into the online group posts of Q Anon and its rapid spread through the Alternative Media under the theme of an anonymous insider.

Disinformation Campaign

Farrell sees a sophisticated disinformation campaign aimed at the independent research community to create an Imitation Wikileaks style vehicle that will act as an All-knowing Oracle Insider for a variety of important Geopolitical situations.

It is apparently designed to propagate the promise of Cabal Arrests and Elites being tried at Gitmo as a kind of Soma to pacify the growing online audience that are raising questions about the Deep State actions on a global scale!

Don't miss this exciting, informative and alarming Dark Journalist episode!

http://www.DarkJournalist.com

[Hervé]

Ok what is surreal is the use of Hope Porn

I am not aware of other people using this term before I used it here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90935-THE-EVENT-Meta-Analysis-and-paralysis&p=1070725&viewfull=1#post1070725
[...]
First instance I found on Avalon (12th May 2012):


[...]
We're stuck to the internet, like a rabbit in the headlights, having to watch video after video after video, in an attempt to get to the bottom of this rabbit hole. It's not just fear porn. There's also hope porn. Sitcom writers are experts at hope porn. They just leave a little teaser at the end of each episode, just like the writers of psy ops.
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[Bill Ryan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6BXPFZjK2s
This has been posted in a couple of places elsewhere, but Alex Jones spoke out about all this pretty much for the first time on Christmas Eve, taking the opportunity of this new, long and detailed call from his insider source Zaq (or Zak).

It's worth listening to very carefully. It's very detail-rich. Zaq has demonstrated his credibility several times over, and he states that 'Q' is indeed a group.

But at one point he seems to slip and use the word 'we' — and Zaq, although well-connected with the US intel apparatus (he was hauled in by them several times for his calls to Alex) — is Moroccan. While Zaq's spoken English appears perfect, his written English may not be (and also, those of his possible colleagues).

It may not be too much of a stretch to ask the question whether 'Q' is Zaq + a small group around him, not all of whom may have English as their first language.

[Foxie Loxie]

It seems Dr. Jerome Corsi is a reliable analyst. DJ & JPF do not do my thinking for me. I no longer follow blindly along behind some "leader"! DJ & JPF are both great guys & have contributed much to the awakening process.....however.....there are still many "normal", everyday people who have never even heard of them & much less of David Icke, for instance.

If the "Q" thing is going to help reach a level of people who are not questioning ANYTHING....I would say that is great! :clapping:

[FreeURmind]

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[neutronstar]

It seems Dr. Jerome Corsi is a reliable analyst. DJ & JPF do not do my thinking for me. I no longer follow blindly along behind some "leader"! DJ & JPF are both great guys & have contributed much to the awakening process.....however.....there are still many "normal", everyday people who have never even heard of them & much less of David Icke, for instance.

If the "Q" thing is going to help reach a level of people who are not questioning ANYTHING....I would say that is great! :clapping:

I don't think they were doing it on purpose, but I came away from that video thinking that very thing. Don't listen to Q, listen to us. You are not smart enough to make up your own mind. Maybe I was a little on edge, but it kinda pissed me off. I do like both of them, but like you I am smart enough to think for myself.

[Callista]

It seems Dr. Jerome Corsi is a reliable analyst. DJ & JPF do not do my thinking for me. I no longer follow blindly along behind some "leader"! DJ & JPF are both great guys & have contributed much to the awakening process.....however.....there are still many "normal", everyday people who have never even heard of them & much less of David Icke, for instance.

If the "Q" thing is going to help reach a level of people who are not questioning ANYTHING....I would say that is great! :clapping:


Dr Corsi is more qualified than JF to comment on Intelligence Operatives - see his info here https://www.scribd.com/document/368625779/JEROME-CORSI-Decode-of-Multiple-Messages-by-QAnon-filed-on-8chan-The-Storm-Saturday-Jan-6-2018-Vers-16-0

[Callista]

This is live now:
Live Fireside Chat w/ CBTS_Stream subreddit team: Q - BACK TO THE BEGINNING.

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Started streaming 59 minutes ago

LIVE Fireside chat and Q&A with CBTS_Stream team.
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Tonight, we begin something we've been discussing for a while - going back to the very beginning of Q's posts and going through the basics. Future proves past.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nra0z72Kb20&feature=youtu.be

[GaelVictor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6BXPFZjK2s
This has been posted in a couple of places elsewhere, but Alex Jones spoke out about all this pretty much for the first time on Christmas Eve, taking the opportunity of this new, long and detailed call from his insider source Zaq (or Zak).

It's worth listening to very carefully. It's very detail-rich. Zaq has demonstrated his credibility several times over, and he states that 'Q' is indeed a group.


But at one point he seems to slip and use the word 'we' — and Zaq, although well-connected with the US intel apparatus (he was hauled in by them several times for his calls to Alex) — is Moroccan. While Zaq's spoken English appears perfect, his written English may not be (and also, those of his possible colleagues).

It may not be too much of a stretch to ask the question whether 'Q' is Zaq + a small group around him, not all of whom may have English as their first language.


Alex Jones talks with long time Infowars caller and Army Intelligence member Zaq :yo:

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[Callista]

See my post here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Q-posts-and-a---Very-Bad-Day---Scenario-for-some-elite-swamp-critters--Nov-2017-and-beyond-&p=1201054&viewfull=1#post1201054

In an interview with Heidi Vandenberg (streamed less than a day ago) Clif High explains why Joseph Farrell came to certain conclusions regarding Q.

This video covers a wide variety of topics (all very interesting to me), but for the purpose of this thread, I draw your attention to the 1:13:00 mark where Cliff is asked about Q. His explanation mirrors my own feeling on the subject.

[bobme]

One of the things David Icke said some years ago is that those people behind the scenes can't stay hidden forever.
They have to surface at some point in time ...

How remarkable is it that anyone who speaks out now exposes himself by expressing strong opinions.

Yes, Daniel and Joseph point out that the whole thing follows a marketing scheme. Not only the Q saga
but also the Tom deLonge operation. But then at the end of his 'show' Daniel reminds us that we can
still profit from some holdiday special and get a subscription for a lower price before he raises the fees
in 2018 ...

It clearly shows they are clever business men too following the recipe themselves to make a buck.

I think we're being played from all sites .... but we should indeed give up our search for a messiah
since none of them will be. As long as they keep us distracted by their breadcrums looking down
following the trail we'll end up where they lead us to. Let's look up and forward, find your own path.

The part about before he raises his fees, has always disturbed me when it comes to Danial, or the,Dark Journalist. I do know the posture he presents is deceaving.

I simply do not trust him at all.
It just seems too obvious that he is trying to be mainstream media like, yet alt media at the same time.

For instance, His newer look, and delivery of his interviews, as opposed to his older ones. Look at them.

It is like he has sucked up inside himself.

Sorry if I have offended anyone, but just my observation. Thank you.

[Bill Ryan]

at the end of his 'show' Daniel reminds us that we can
still profit from some holdiday special and get a subscription for a lower price before he raises the fees
in 2018 ...
It clearly shows they are clever business men too following the recipe themselves to make a buck.


If anyone else has the same view, I look forward VERY much to your generous donation (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15584-A-reminder-please-don-t-forget-to-donate-to-the-Forum) to Project Avalon, which in its current incarnation has never charged any fees at all.



* Bill is not a clever businessman, and has so far refused to 'copy the mainstream'. *
But it's a bit of a problem, as invoices still need to be paid — by me! — to provide a platform for you to post thoughts like this. :)

Moral of the story: do please think about how folks like Dark Journalist make a living. This is his profession now. He doesn't have a day job.

:focus:

[Operator]

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This is his profession now. He doesn't have a day job.
:focus:

Yep, that is what worries me ... for the same reason I don't like carreer politicians. How can they be 'representatives' of regular people ?
All too often the focus then changes to 'making money', acquiring more members/followers etc. There are nowadays more and more 'channels'
on youtube with screaming click-bait titles to draw our attention. We're more and more distracted, often wasting our energy on issues
that really do not matter that much or are straight disinfo. The alternative media is killing (choking) itself.

They may be right by pointing out that it is a 'business model' but the whole alternative media is becoming a business nowadays.
And they are part of that too ...

[neutronstar]

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This is his profession now. He doesn't have a day job.
:focus:

Yep, that is what worries me ... for the same reason I don't like carreer politicians. How can they be 'representatives' of regular people ?
All too often the focus then changes to 'making money', acquiring more members/followers etc. There are nowadays more and more 'channels'
on youtube with screaming click-bait titles to draw our attention. We're more and more distracted, often wasting our energy on issues
that really do not matter that much or are straight disinfo. The alternative media is killing (choking) itself.

They may be right by pointing out that it is a 'business model' but the whole alternative media is becoming a business nowadays.
And they are part of that too ...

I agree with what you are saying, but the real problem is we haven't evolved enough to create a society were we don't need money. We need money to live even a simple life in this world, or at least here in the US anyway.

The way he is funding his operation by having his viewers pay the bills so to speak is better than getting the money from advertisers. This way you can be more independent rather than having your message be controlled by advertisers like the MSM.

[Operator]

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The way he is funding his operation by having his viewers pay the bills so to speak is better than getting the money from advertisers. This way you can be more independent rather than having your message be controlled by advertisers like the MSM.

Ok, agreed ... but then why bashing/discrediting others who are trying to do the same ? The wole point is that we are apparently
also considered not to be evolved enough to discern what's truth and what's disinfo ourselves when parties in the alternative media
feel the need to attack others or decide to exclude other 'operations' (interesting word) as being alternative media. Who gets to
decide what's right and what's wrong? The way it's developing now the state of the MSM is only a phase ahead of the alternative
media and the future of alternative media is clear ... we haven't solved a problem just moved it to the next place.
And so it continues ....

[Bill Ryan]

but then why bashing/discrediting others who are trying to do the same ?

He wasn't "bashing/discrediting others who are trying to do the same".

The 'marketing' Daniel and Joseph were referring to was the 'selling' of IDEAS and CONCEPTS and HOPE by 'Q'.

Not 'Q' selling anything for money.

[Satori]

A person's time and labor, whether physical, intellectual or both, are his/her stock in trade. (To torture a quote from Abraham Lincoln, we are told.)

We are all entitled to seek compensation for our time and labor. But, that does not mean others are obligated to provide compensation; especially when one did not receive or request the fruits of the time/labor. But, if one does choose to seek out, for whatever reason, the fruits of another's labor, isn't it fair and reasonable to give, or at least offer to give, some consideration, i.e., compensation (money) in exchange for the fruit of the labor? I think so.

After all, we gotta eat.

[thunder24]

A person's time and labor, whether physical, intellectual or both, are his/her stock in trade. (To torture a quote from Abraham Lincoln, we are told.)

We are all entitled to seek compensation for our time and labor. But, that does not mean others are obligated to provide compensation; especially when one did not receive or request the fruits of the time/labor. But, if one does choose to seek out, for whatever reason, the fruits of another's labor, isn't it fair and reasonable to give, or at least offer to give, some consideration, i.e., compensation (money) in exchange for the fruit of the labor? I think so.

After all, we gotta eat.

then grow some food...sorry couldn't help it