False Missile Alert over Hawaii

[justntime2learn]

Hi All,

My cousin received this alert and retraction a short time ago.

Any thoughts ?

Update...

In a conversation with my cousin who lives there, I learned the alert should have stated that there was a missile test. All residents were tuned to their TV's waiting for MSM information. The information they received was that someone from the new emergency alert system sent the wrong message and that it was only a test.

Also, he said very few were not in a panic but was not aware of any injuries.

[Cidersomerset]

Seems like a social media drill error .......

Hawaii gets false missile strike alert

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Published on 13 Jan 2018

People in Hawaii received an emergency alert about an incoming ballistic missile,
however Hawaii's Office of Emergency Management says there is no missile threat
to the state.

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The teleprompter CBS anchor cannot read Gabbard whis is amusing...

False alarm: No missile to hit Hawaii

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx5sYC3x6As
Published on 13 Jan 2018
An emergency alert went out Saturday telling people to take shelter from an
incoming ballistic missile. It was a false alarm.

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Hawaii sends out missile alert by mistake

13th Jan 2018

https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/8258/production/_99586333_missle.jpg
The message Hawaiians saw on their phones

People across the US state of Hawaii received a text on Saturday morning, warning
of an impending missile strike. It was declared a false alarm shortly afterwards, but
not before panic started to spread.

"Ballistic missile threat inbound to Hawaii. Seek immediate shelter. This is not a
drill," read the message, all in capital letters.

Hawaii Emergency Management Agency later confirmed there was no threat.

In an online statement, Honolulu Police Department said: "State Warning Point has
issued a Missile Alert in ERROR! There is NO threat to the State of Hawaii!"

The Honolulu Star-Advertiser said emergency officials had mistakenly sent the
message out by text at 08:07 (18:07 GMT) before correcting the error by email 18
minutes later. There was no follow-up mobile text until 38 minutes after the original
alert, it said.

It was unclear how the initial mistake was made.


read more..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42677604

[B. Knoka]

Hi all, we had a scare this morning followed by a quick retraction. As soon as I got the alert I closed my shop and raced home, calling my family on the way. We get a good amount of alerts, hurricane and tsunami warnings but this is the first ballistic missile alert ever. You don’t joke around about that! Anyways all safe here. Someone is getting fired!

Btw can you guys help direct me to any reports on how much time Hawaii has to prepare in the case of a real threat.

[B. Knoka]

Just found this on zero hedge

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-13/hawaiians-receive-inbound-ballistic-missile-threat-emergency-alert

20 min is all we have. Good thing I do have contingency plans in place and a bug out spot. So glad it didn’t come to that.

My family is prepared, the wife had the kids,dogs and cats ready to transport by the time i got home.

[mojo]

Sad as the experience was for the people of Hawaii the event was very eye opening. We must not let the elite and powerful exclude citizens a way to survive. Other Countries are way ahead of protecting all of their citizens and we must as a country offer hope or least more than duck and cover and the sound of the real deal alarm. We know they have the tunnel boring equipment to build underground space in no time. It's time to consider the best way to protect the majority of citizens in the event of a nuclear missile. Also to have a better management protocol to avoid another false alarm without secondary verification.

[Cidersomerset]

How was Hawaii false missile alert sent out?

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Published on 13 Jan 2018
An employee hit the wrong button during a shift change, which triggered
the false missile alert warning, according to the Governor of Hawaii.

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False missile alert in Hawaii

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvUVwOIRzpY

Published on 13 Jan 2018..CBS
A false missile alert in Hawaii sent residents into a full-blown panic.
The emergency alert said, "Ballistic missile threat inbound to Hawaii.
Seek immediate shelter. This is not a drill."
To read more: http://cbc.ca/1.4486510

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‘Ballistic missile threat’ emergency in Hawaii was reportedly a mistake

Washington Post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mryjg_KyLrA
Published on 13 Jan 2018
Hawaii residents received emergency alerts warning of a “ballistic missile threat” in
the early morning of Jan. 13. Officials said the warnings were false. Subscribe to
The Washington Post on YouTube: http://bit.ly/2qiJ4dy


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A look inside Hawaii's preparation for possible missile attack
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CBS This Morning

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Published on 27 Jul 2017
People in Hawaii are keeping a close eye on North Korea after the Pentagon
reportedly detected signs the country could launch another missile test Wednesday.
North Korea's last intercontinental ballistic missile test caused global alarm and
some experts believe it had the range to reach Hawaii and Alaska. Carter Evans
reports.

[mojo]

Guarantee the Pres will address the nation and this could be Trump's defining moment in time... Having stronger defensive protections in place from countries like N. Korea, Iran and other nations make's so much more sense than starting a war to protect oneself from the threat.

[O Donna]

Guarantee the Pres will address the nation and this could be Trump's defining moment in time... Having stronger defensive protections in place from countries like N. Korea, Iran and other nations make's so much more sense than starting a war to protect oneself from the threat.

Who benefits? The military industrial complex?

[Hervé]

Sounds like a remake of "The War of the worlds": The Grannie of All Large Scale Instant Psy-ops and The Fear / Survival Triggers Pair (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97611-The-Grannie-of-All-Large-Scale-Instant-Psy-ops-and-The-Fear-Survival-Triggers-Pair)

[Cidersomerset]

Sen. Brian Schatz on false alarm about missile threat to Hawaii

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNIr3ilM2Iw

Published on 13 Jan 2018
Hawaii emergency management officials said a push alert that warned of an
incoming ballistic missile to Hawaii on Saturday -- and urged people to take
immediate shelter -- was a false alarm. Senator Brian Schatz of Hawaii
joined CBSN to discuss.

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International security expert: Drills are not a good idea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQJNqpaH_gg

Published on 13 Jan 2018..Fox News
Jim Walsh speaks out after Hawaiians are panicked by a false alarm.

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Military expert: NKorea has no incentive to initiate a war

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aeq3UYD-IZc
Published on 13 Jan 2018
Lt. Col. Daniel Davis (ret.) weighs in after Hawaii experiences a false alarm missile threat.

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Hawaiians get false alert of missile attack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdOLI1D0Z2g

Published on 13 Jan 2018
Emergency alert sent to mobile phones and broadcast on radio and TV warning of
an imminent ballistic missile attack turned out to be false and the result of human error.

[justntime2learn]

Sounds like a remake of "The War of the worlds": The Grannie of All Large Scale Instant Psy-ops and The Fear / Survival Triggers Pair (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97611-The-Grannie-of-All-Large-Scale-Instant-Psy-ops-and-The-Fear-Survival-Triggers-Pair)
Greetings Herve,

I was just thinking and talking about the same thing here at the house.

Also, I understand how ignorance could have played a part, but I feel this is a different type of ignorance.

[Bob]

Sounds like a remake of "The War of the worlds": The Grannie of All Large Scale Instant Psy-ops and The Fear / Survival Triggers Pair (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97611-The-Grannie-of-All-Large-Scale-Instant-Psy-ops-and-The-Fear-Survival-Triggers-Pair)

Agreed - 'they' now have a very good measure of how the public will react during an actual incoming. Data-mining at it's "finest".. (ugh)

[Jenya]

Sometimes stuff just gets released to create fear, right? That was my first thought, that its part of a mass ritual.

[justntime2learn]

Sometimes stuff just gets released to create fear, right? That was my first thought, that its part of a mass ritual.

I felt like it was more of a test.

Agreed, some things are created to induce fear.

I wouldn't be afraid though.

[Franny]

I live in Hawaii and I got the alert this morning too. I was interested to observe my reaction, calm but a little freaked out. A friend texted that CNN was saying to stay in and away from windows. I think I have more windows than walls :)

What was absent and telling was the local air siren warnings. It's about 1.5 miles away but can be heard from where I live.

A friend is in the civil air defense and she is usually on top of these things. After about 15 min she texted me that it was false - which I knew as by then I had searched and found the message from Tulsi Gabbard, our senator. She had tweeted within about 7-8 min of the bulletin. The 38 min from the first bulletin to the second seems much longer than it should have been and I've been wondering why it took so long to send out the correction.

When she had a town hall locally meeting last April she had mentioned that Hawaii was not ready to defend against a missile attack from NK. It was a project she had been working on but had little support for at that time.

I'm thinking this is a deliberate message from our friends in the deep state to Mr Trump. It will be interesting to see how he responds. I hope to find out anyway...

BTW, if there is any shelter for civilians I've never heard of it. Military and important people, yes. The commoners, I don't think so. The local military base is said to go pretty deep.

[Cidersomerset]

Alex gives his raw comments...His contacts tell him this is a distraction.

BREAKING INTEL! Hawaiian Nuclear False Missile Alert Staged By Deep State To Embarrass Trump

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Streamed live 10 hours ago...12th Jan 2018

[Cidersomerset]

CIANN has been covering this more than most and trying to guide the conversation
to blame Trump. Tulsi Gabbard sees through this and makes some good points
that this has been going on for decades reaching this current tension point
with North Korea and due to the US regime change policies since 9/11 its not
in their interest to give up the nuclear deterrent against US aggression as they
see it.


Gabbard: Missile false alarm unacceptable

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Published on 14 Jan 2018
Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D_HI) says the false ballistic missile warning in Hawaii was
"unacceptable" and points to a need for President Donald Trump to negotiate
with North Korea directly.A false alarm in Hawaii warned people to seek shelter
due to an inbound ballistic missile threat. State leaders and emergency officials
said it was a false message, and Hawaii Gov. David Ige told CNN "an employee
pushed the wrong button," causing the erroneous alert.

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38 minutes of terror in Hawaii

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4tLngM0i6A

Published on 14 Jan 2018..CNN
Human error that triggered a false missile alert turned Hawaii upside down. People
crawled under tables in cafes, were ushered into military hangars and huddled
around televisions to watch the news for the latest developments.

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Officials investigating Hawaii missile false alarm | NBC News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C8pRDetZr8

Published on 14 Jan 2018..NBC.
The governor of Hawaii and the Hawaii Emergency Management Agency are
investigating how false alert about a missile was sent during a shift change.

[Foxie Loxie]

Lionel's hilarious "take" on this was classic! :clapping:

[Cidersomerset]

Lionel's hilarious "take" on this was classic!

Thanks Foxie I was waiting for his take.....



Hawaii Statewide 'Inbound Ballistic Missile Threat'
Was a Beta Test to Gauge Realtime Citizen Panic

kwUvLpJi9Tk

Published on 14 Jan 2018

'Emergency Alert: BALLISTIC MISSILE THREAT INBOUND TO HAWAII.
SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER. THIS IS NOT A DRILL,' the terrifying message read.

[Bill Ryan]

A very wild thought, so forgive me for airing it. :)

I wonder if there's any slight possibility that it was actually real (i.e. that there really was a missile) — but that it was very quickly dealt with. And then hushed up to avoid escalation, or global instability not on the NWO agenda, or even a public demand for war.

[Cidersomerset]

A very wild thought, so forgive me for airing it.
I wonder if there's any slight possibility that it was actually real (i.e. that there really was a missile)
— but that it was very quickly dealt with. And then hushed up to avoid escalation, or global instability
not on the NWO agenda, or even a public demand for war.

Interesting and not impossible , I'm waiting to see if any
of Alex's contacts have more info. The official reason
below seems a bit lame but sometimes accidents can
happen , though not like this.


Governor David Ige and his assistant claims responsibility 1m.38 secs...

Officials investigating Hawaii missile false alarm | NBC News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C8pRDetZr8
Published on 14 Jan 2018..NBC.
The governor of Hawaii and the Hawaii Emergency Management Agency are
investigating how false alert about a missile was sent during a shift change.

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Hawaii told to fix its alert system after false missile alarm

The US state of Hawaii has been told it did not have "reasonable" safeguards in
place to prevent the false missile alert that caused panic on Saturday.

Ajit Pai, chairman of America's media regulator, the Federal Communications
Commission (FCC), said the error was "absolutely unacceptable".

The 38-minute delay in issuing the correction made it worse, he added.

read more....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42682533

[Cidersomerset]

Tulsi Gabbard for President forget Oprah & Hillary ......

Like the CNN vid I posted earlier she used this opportunity to tell mainstream
outlets some truths about decades of US led forced regime change. She has been
saying this for a long time and I have said on other threads Tulsi would make a
great 'States Women'. Of course the deep state will do a Bernie on her if she did run....

It made me smile as both CNN & ABC seemed to expect her to blame Trump
but they were not able to have a go back at her because of the 'tone' of the
interview ......:bigsmile:

Hawaiian congresswoman calls false missile alarm 'an epic failure of leadership'

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Published on 14 Jan 2018...ABC...
Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii is interviewed on "This Week" following the human
error that led to a false alarm missile message.

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Investigation underway after entire state of Hawaii sent into panic mode

ABC News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6IgU3NmJiU

Published on 14 Jan 2018
An emergency alert warning of an imminent missile attack was mistakenly
sent out, causing panic among more than a million people in Hawaii.

[Franny]

I had considered that too but tend to think maybe not for two reasons:

-Tulsi received the message as soon as it was broadcast and checked with HI officials who said no attack and tweeted it within a very few minutes. She has no access to the broadcast system which sent out a retraction 38 min after the initial warning.

- The emergency sirens were silent and should have sounded either immediately or within a few minutes. They are tested continuously for emergency alerts such as hurricanes, tsunamis and attacks. One is about 1.5 miles away from me and I hear it during the tests or weather emergencies. Of course they could have been negligent in sounding the sirens but, all things considered, I don't think so.

So it's on the list but probably not at the top.



A very wild thought, so forgive me for airing it. :)

I wonder if there's any slight possibility that it was actually real (i.e. that there really was a missile) — but that it was very quickly dealt with. And then hushed up to avoid escalation, or global instability not on the NWO agenda, or even a public demand for war.

[Franny]

...

Btw can you guys help direct me to any reports on how much time Hawaii has to prepare in the case of a real threat.

Aloha, I recall that it's about 15 minutes. That's according to what Tulsi Gabbard said last April during a town hall meeting in Hilo.

[Cidersomerset]

Owen suggests this is part of the oniong 'drip drip' against Trump ....

( There has been a ridiculous racist claim news cycle over the weekend
as well to try and kill the DACA bill which I have not mentioned before
but is all over the mainstream news.....more slurs )


Evidence Mounts That Alarm In Hawaii Was A False Flag

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Published on 14 Jan 2018
Owen Shroyer returns to callers from hawaii about Hawaiian Missile Scare
that looks more and more like a false flag by the left to undermind the trump
administration and to force a bipartisan effort to impeachment the president.
Hawaii During Missile Scare Help us spread the word about the liberty movement,
we're reaching millions help us reach millions more. Share the free live video feed
link with your friends & family: http://www.infowars.com/show

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Fake Missile Alert Sends Hawaiians Into Panic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bgv1rrBgO4

Published on 14 Jan 2018
Owen Shroyer breaks down the Deep State's latest coup attempt against
president Trump with fake alert gone wrong in Hawaii over the weekend.


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Officials knew within 3 mins this was a mistake


Hawaiians panic after false missile warning alert

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fegBJOZVtd4

Published on 14 Jan 2018...ABC...
The FCC has launched an investigation to determine the cause for
the false transmission.

[Hervé]

A very wild thought, so forgive me for airing it. :)

I wonder if there's any slight possibility that it was actually real (i.e. that there really was a missile) — but that it was very quickly dealt with. And then hushed up to avoid escalation, or global instability not on the NWO agenda, or even a public demand for war.
It looks like Jim Stone is also checking on the possibility/validity of that eventuality:


14 January 2018

Yesterday's nuclear launch on Hawaii real? Possibly. (http://82.221.129.208/.zk7.html)

The following is thus far urban myth, but people should be aware of it because it could be true, and is certainly plausible. If a submarine was destroyed, it is overwhelmingly probable for it to have been Israeli.

I have a way to know if this story is true. Israel should have THREE dolphin 2 submarines in 2018. If the years go on and they can only show two, one of them just bit the dust.

The Dolphin 2 submarines have air independent propulsion, which gives them a range and endurance second only to a nuclear submarine. One of these could have made it to Hawaii, especially with clandestine surface support.

The possible submarines are: Dolphin, Leviathan, Tekumah, Tanin, Rahav and Dakar (not yet commissioned) with the last 3 having a very large air independent range. People ought to be able to confirm one missing by keeping an extended (years long) eye on Israeli naval bases.


http://82.221.129.208/wowifthisistrue.gif


Once again, the above cannot be confirmed true, but it is intriguing to say the least. Keep an eye on Israel's subs.

Here's an interesting post on this topic. I'd have to say I agree.
I live on maui. The "oops" Hawaii ballistic missile alert just doesn't add up. Think about your job. Imagine the biggest **** up that you could possibly commit. A **** up that doesn't damage your workplace or harm anyone that you work with, or outside of work, but a MASSIVE **** up none the less. Something that would get you immediately fired and or put in prison even.

What would it take for you to **** up that bad at your job?? Would it even be possible? Is it something so easily done that would have such catastrophic effects? Is it something so simple as hitting a wrong button and sending an alert to a million plus people? I'm sorry but there are no "buttons" that are set up to do that. I just don't see this as a big mistake, there's something more. I'm not sure what but I know it wasn't just a simple ****ing mistake.

A subsequent response:
Head dude was asked if he was there when it all went down. He said no, the system is set up so that no one needs to be there. Kinda contradicted his button pushing story.

BTW, I'm on Kauai - Aloha!
[Jim Stone's] comment: The cover story really is rock stupid. As if the emergency alert system has a custom "button" for a nuke attack, that automatically sends out a canned message. And that is exactly why the purported whistleblower testimony about a submarine nuke launch is so plausible, it is FAR MORE plausible than an idiotic "oops" story.



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15 January 2018

UPDATE: I AM NOW CONFIDENT THE REPORT ABOUT ISRAEL LAUNCHING A FAILED NUKE ATTACK ON HAWAII IS TRUE. (http://82.221.129.208/.zk7.html)

"Confident" is the best I can do when it can't actually be proven.

But the back channels of the internet have filled up with massive numbers of trolls that are onto this story like maggots on a rotting dog, trolls that are saying the most stupid things, like "I wonder what nation owned the sub, Paraguay? (as if they are serious) and other absolutely ridiculous crap.

FACT: There is only ONE nuclear nation that has submarines that fit the description that is not Russia or the U.S. and that is ISRAEL.

The banality of the trollage points ONE DIRECTION: ISRAEL. Naked banal we have seen it everywhere countless times predictable stupid ISRAELI TROLLAGE.

"Now we have to scream "Nazi" sniff, and force Germany to cough us up another sub . . . . . sniff.

I was a little bit skeptical of this until I saw the nature of the trollage. Now I am like - "Oh my God!"

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The only point contradicting the above for it being real is latte's testimony of no howling warning sirens. So, it wasn't even a drill.

Accordingly, it's back to a "media" coup/psy-op and Welles' "War of the Worlds" test study (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97611-The-Grannie-of-All-Large-Scale-Instant-Psy-ops-and-The-Fear-Survival-Triggers-Pair).

[Cidersomerset]

A very wild thought, so forgive me for airing it.
I wonder if there's any slight possibility that it was actually real (i.e. that there really was a missile)
— but that it was very quickly dealt with. And then hushed up to avoid escalation, or global instability
not on the NWO agenda, or even a public demand for war.

James explains it very well......ABC news just happened to be filming in the
command centre the day before to provide some footage...Uhm!


THIS IS NOT A DRILL!(?) - What Happened in Hawaii?

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Published on 14 Jan 2018

SHOW NOTES: https://www.corbettreport.com/?p=25731

So with false ballistic missile alerts causing panic and disruption across the state,
everyone is left asking "What the hell just happened in Hawaii?" A simple mistake?
Secret intercept? Government psyop? Drill gone almost live? Something else
entirely? Corbett Report members are encouraged to log in and leave any data or
Information in the comments below.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

What makes me believe this was not just an innocent mistake is that it took 38 minutes to correct. 38 minutes!? If this was a mistake, a misunderstanding, the pressing of a wrong button, they'd be scrambling over themselves to correct it inside 38 seconds.

Something fishy I really do think.

[Phenix]

A very wild thought, so forgive me for airing it. :)

I wonder if there's any slight possibility that it was actually real (i.e. that there really was a missile) — but that it was very quickly dealt with. And then hushed up to avoid escalation, or global instability not on the NWO agenda, or even a public demand for war.

YUP. Thanks Bill. My thought exactly!

[Cidersomerset]

'Old Guy who made mistake , not allowed near big button'....Blah , Blah...

Quite amusing if not so serious.....:facepalm:


Who is the worker behind false missile alert in Hawaii?

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Published on 15 Jan 2018
The veteran technician responsible for the false alarm of a ballistic missile
heading to Hawaii and causing terror for more than 1 million people was
removed from that position.

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The unnamed employee who mistakenly sent a missile alert

Convenient............

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Hawaii alert: Employee who sent missile warning reassigned

15 Jan 2018


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/CF08/production/_99600035_reuterssign.jpg
It took 38 minutes for the mistake to be corrected and for Hawaiians to be told
there was no danger

The unnamed employee who mistakenly sent a missile alert which caused panic in
the US state of Hawaii on Saturday has been temporarily reassigned to other
duties, a US official has said.


read more...
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42687978

[Franny]

A sub attack that was immediately stopped does make sense! With all it has to loose it's difficult to see NK launch a lone missile attack all on it's own.

That's why they would tell the senator within minutes of the alarm going out that it was false alarm - she would not be in the inner information circles. (And if she is, she wouldn't say.)

[petra]

I wonder if there's any slight possibility that it was actually real (i.e. that there really was a missile) — but that it was very quickly dealt with. And then hushed up to avoid escalation, or global instability not on the NWO agenda, or even a public demand for war.

What!?! That thought had not even crossed my mind! Of course that's possible.... just not very probable? Or is it... ha ha
First it's true. Now it's false. OK, seems to have settled on false. WHEW

[Franny]

I wonder if there's any slight possibility that it was actually real (i.e. that there really was a missile) — but that it was very quickly dealt with. And then hushed up to avoid escalation, or global instability not on the NWO agenda, or even a public demand for war.

What!?! That thought had not even crossed my mind! Of course that's possible.... just not very probable? Or is it... ha ha
First it's true. Now it's false. OK, seems to have settled on false. WHEW

:) It's early days and we're all still digging, theorizing and speculating, and many more days to go.

[Hervé]

Jim Stone's updates:

Hawaii update

15 January 2018

The new line from the MSM is that the police knew it was a false alarm five minutes after the alert was given.

I CALL BUNK, because if that was true, how on earth did the EAS take 33 additional minutes after that to give the all clear? Would they not be the first to know?

The police should have gotten the all clear from the EAS. If they did not, who gave them the all clear? It's not like all the cops have a secret line to military command post X.

I CALL BUNK, it is a cover story for something much bigger.


http://82.221.129.208/chinamissile.jpg


Remember a few years ago when there was a confirmed missile launch off the coast of California (http://www.wnd.com/2010/11/230425/) that was also subsequently scrubbed and white washed?

It was proven that it was launched by a Chinese Navy Jin class ballistic missile nuclear submarine, and it got scrubbed by the Pentagon and debunked by Snopes.

Yet it was so freaking obvious what it was that no one, even hunch backed emma believed the Pentagon.

What happened in California is a SOLID, ROCK SOLID PRECEDENT for there to have been a real missile launch and shoot down off of Hawaii, with subsequent media white wash. You can't trust a damn thing the media says, they are all a bunch of scamming traitors.

The real back story to the Chinese missile incident is that it was a warning shot to the U.S., to prove China could circumvent detection by the U.S. The missile was fired 30 miles off the coast, and sent on a trajectory that caused it to land 400 miles to the west, in the Pacific.

The U.S. claims territorial waters 250 miles out, and China totally violated that but what could the Pentagon do? Encourage them to launch another missile the other way?


UPDATE:

THE SIRENS AT HICKAM AIR FORCE BASE, PEARL HARBOR, AND OTHER BASES WENT OFF, AND THEY ARE NOT HOOKED UP TO THE EAS. THIS RULES OUT THE FINGER BUMBLING FOOL. BUSTED!!!

Hmm, let me guess - They were observing the "anomaly" the whistle blower (below (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101311-False-Missile-Alert-over-Hawaii&p=1201894&viewfull=1#post1201894)) mentioned that they were already aware of from the day before, had systems locked, activated the anti missile defense system practically instantly, shot down the launched missiles within a minute, killed the sub, AND THEN, 38 minutes later, gave the all clear. How about that for a back story? Obviously it can't be confirmed, but it sure beats the "bumbling fool" on alert button ludicrousy.

[justntime2learn]

Jim Stone's updates:

Hawaii update

15 January 2018

The new line from the MSM is that the police knew it was a false alarm five minutes after the alert was given.

I CALL BUNK, because if that was true, how on earth did the EAS take 33 additional minutes after that to give the all clear? Would they not be the first to know?

The police should have gotten the all clear from the EAS. If they did not, who gave them the all clear? It's not like all the cops have a secret line to military command post X.

I CALL BUNK, it is a cover story for something much bigger.


http://82.221.129.208/chinamissile.jpg


Remember a few years ago when there was a confirmed missile launch off the coast of California (http://www.wnd.com/2010/11/230425/) that was also subsequently scrubbed and white washed?

It was proven that it was launched by a Chinese Navy Jin class ballistic missile nuclear submarine, and it got scrubbed by the Pentagon and debunked by Snopes.

Yet it was so freaking obvious what it was that no one, even hunch backed emma believed the Pentagon.

What happened in California is a SOLID, ROCK SOLID PRECEDENT for there to have been a real missile launch and shoot down off of Hawaii, with subsequent media white wash. You can't trust a damn thing the media says, they are all a bunch of scamming traitors.

The real back story to the Chinese missile incident is that it was a warning shot to the U.S., to prove China could circumvent detection by the U.S. The missile was fired 30 miles off the coast, and sent on a trajectory that caused it to land 400 miles to the west, in the Pacific.

The U.S. claims territorial waters 250 miles out, and China totally violated that but what could the Pentagon do? Encourage them to launch another missile the other way?


UPDATE:

THE SIRENS AT HICKAM AIR FORCE BASE, PEARL HARBOR, AND OTHER BASES WENT OFF, AND THEY ARE NOT HOOKED UP TO THE EAS. THIS RULES OUT THE FINGER BUMBLING FOOL. BUSTED!!!

Hmm, let me guess - They were observing the "anomaly" the whistle blower (below (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101311-False-Missile-Alert-over-Hawaii&p=1201894&viewfull=1#post1201894)) mentioned that they were already aware of from the day before, had systems locked, activated the anti missile defense system practically instantly, shot down the launched missiles within a minute, killed the sub, AND THEN, 38 minutes later, gave the all clear. How about that for a back story? Obviously it can't be confirmed, but it sure beats the "bumbling fool" on alert button ludicrousy.

I absolutely believe you're right Herve. I've talked to family and friends on the islands and I don't want to get anyone into trouble. It's just that I've learned more than presented. Perhaps the others that have chimed in from the islands know what I'm talking about?

[Cidersomerset]

The first sentence is interesting.....

Then it goes into neo-con drum beating from the guest...

Trump should have used Hawaii false alert to tout US missile defense: Larry Korb

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Published on 15 Jan 2018
Former Assistant Secretary of Defense Larry Korb discusses the false
alert sent to Hawaii residents that a missile was headed toward the state.

[Eric J (Viking)]

A very wild thought, so forgive me for airing it. :)

I wonder if there's any slight possibility that it was actually real (i.e. that there really was a missile) — but that it was very quickly dealt with. And then hushed up to avoid escalation, or global instability not on the NWO agenda, or even a public demand for war.

Received this via email..tried to copy and paste but struggling with tablet...there were a few pictures...anyway my thoughts exactly Bill.

Solaris sent this link to me and I found it quite amazing that someone captured the photos of what appear to be Lightships or something like that. Were they involved in the deactivating of missiles headed toward the islands? I would not be surprised. "UFOs" have consistently been observed around missile silos, etc., when nuclear alerts were given (at least I have read that several places).

Then Ben Fulford's CIA sources said the missile alert was not a mistake, and that "It was not—it was an attempt by “the cabal” to blame the attack on North Korea and use it as a trigger for their long-desired World War III..." Well, perhaps the Galactics (Pleiadeans, Andromedans, Who-the-Heck-Knows-edans did have a part in this. At the time this happened, I was NOT awake, and I had NO idea this was going on.

In any event, I found this a great compilation of data by Solaris. Enjoy the read. (also of relevance is this recent Kp blog post)

"On January 13, 2018, at 8:07am Hawaii time, a message flashed across TV screens and cell phones. This message was declared a false alarm thirty eight minutes later. The message on cell phones, in all capital letters, was “Ballistic missile threat inbound to Hawaii. Seek immediate Shelter. This is not a drill.” Thirty eight minutes later (8:47am Hawaii time), another message flashed across phones saying “There is no missile threat or danger to the State of Hawaii. Repeat. False Alarm.”

"Commentary by Solaris Modalis... From the above interviews, it appears that a key person received information or checked equipment at the relevant facility, determined an attack was imminent, and then, sent out the alert. It appears that the personnel working at this facility that monitors for incoming missiles, are tasked with this responsibility, thus they have the training for it and are considered responsible enough to make independent decisions, and to protect the population by sending out alerts during an actual attack.

"Two Photographs of the Hawaiian Sky, and An Interesting Story... The following photo was sent to me by my friend Alex Clark, and was found on Facebook. I do not have the account name associated with the photograph. It is a photo of the live KHON broadcast taken thirty one minutes after the emergency was declared a false alert.

"... [four] round orbs in the sky are glowing incredibly bright even with the photo darkened as much as was possible... the entire orbs are fully lighted and their color hasn’t diminished at all. This technology feels very much like an interdimensional lightship, or UFO, to me... It is interesting that the largest one has a diamond shape. With the color edits, the diamond shaped UFO also appears 3D – it has a form like a ship might have.

"Were These UFOs Assisting in the Emergency?... That these unusual daytime UFOs, present at an extraordinary time, and at a time where the people of Hawaii, and the world, needed assistance, may have been involved in this emergency situation – if it was a real emergency... UFOs are known to have focused upon nuclear sites and missiles on this planet.

"An Interesting Story of Galactic Assistance... 1. An incoming missile was noted and an alert was sent out. Proper steps were taken and best judgements were made. 2. The galactic presence on Earth – in the form of UFOs – intervened and deactivated, and/or shot down, and/or sent off course, the potential incoming missile(s). 3. The UFOs then stood ‘guard’ over Hawaii for some period of time, revealing their presence in the sky. 4. The emergency was declared a ‘false alarm’ – because there were no longer missiles detected by the equipment."

Interviews with Local Officials, Jan 13 2018: Pertinent Details
Local television station KHON2.com published an article and video that includes a video interview of personnel from the monitoring facility that was the source of the message.

On the video from the article, the head of HEMA – the Hawaii Emergency Management Agency Administrator said, “We will take action to prevent this from ever happening again by having more than one person here to do this, make this decision. We’ll work on equipment changes.”

A reporter then says, “Were you here when it happened?”

The head of HEMA says, “This is designed so that we don’t have to be here if this type of event happens. We don’t want people calling us to get permission when we have such a short time window.”

The article goes on to quote the governor of Hawaii as saying, “There was no automated way to send a false alarm cancellation. We had to initiate a manual process”.

The brigadier general also being interviewed then recommends that if an alert occurs again in Hawaii, it should be treated as the real thing until an “all clear” is given.

According to an article by Reuters, the head of HEMA stated, “Hawaii would have only 12 to 13 minutes of warning in an actual attack…”.

Commentary by Solaris Modalis
From the above interviews, it appears that a key person received information or checked equipment at the relevant facility, determined an attack was imminent, and then, sent out the alert.

It appears that the personnel working at this facility that monitors for incoming missiles, are tasked with this responsibility, thus they have the training for it and are considered responsible enough to make independent decisions, and to protect the population by sending out alerts during an actual attack.

Since the window is quite small – potentially only 12 to 13 minutes – time is of the essence in decision making.

There is no system to cancel alerts. Thus the equipment must be considered to be pretty accurate, and / or, the choice is to err on the side of caution.

If the equipment to monitor for ballistic missiles is accurate, then why did it indicate a potential missile strike?

Later on in the day, it was said that a test was supposed to take place which then accidentally went live.

Two Photographs of the Hawaiian Sky, and An Interesting Story
The following photo was sent to me by my friend Alex Clark, and was found on Facebook. I do not have the account name associated with the photograph. It is a photo of the live KHON broadcast taken thirty one minutes after the emergency was declared a false alert.

This photo shows a shot of the sky at 9:16am Hawaii time.

http://youtu.be/P1ESeZASSNw&w=500]
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Dylan also mentions again the concept (fact) that we (the USA) have a “bought” government, and a ” global government that has been bought and duplicitous for centuries“. Here is a link to the last post on this site which included those remarks about government by Dylan Ratigan.

Does anyone think/feel that Dylan is on to something?

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Let’s take a look at this photo with some color edits (below). I have bumped up the contrast as far as it can go in the photo. What this will usually do is darken pretty much the entire photograph. However, the round orbs in the sky are glowing incredibly bright even with the photo darkened as much as was possible.

Potential UFOs Over Hawaii During Missile Emergency
So, let’s call them UFOs – daytime UFOs. Present at Hawaii, during the missile alert. This will be the first part of our interesting story.

It is interesting that the largest one has a diamond shape. With the color edits, the diamond shaped UFO also appears 3D – it has a form like a ship might have.

The next photograph has slightly different color edits, and slightly enlarged. These color edits and zooming in reveal the diamond shape of the UFO fairly well.

The other thing about the large UFO’s diamond shape, is that this is clearly not a cloud. It has 90 degree angles would not be reflected in a usual photograph of a cloud.

I just wrote the word “angles” as “angels” – I had to go back and correct the spelling. And when I did that, I had the confirmation feeling, that these vessels, or ones like them, may have saved the day.

Were These UFOs Assisting in the Emergency?
Let’s make that part two of our interesting story: That these unusual daytime UFOs, present at an extraordinary time, and at a time where the people of Hawaii, and the world, needed assistance, may have been involved in this emergency situation – if it was a real emergency.

UFOs and Nuclear Technology

UFOs are known to have focused upon nuclear sites and missiles on this planet.

The following quote by Robert Hastings, an authority in this area of research, is from a Collective Evolution article entitled, “Why are UFOs Shutting Down our Nuclear Missiles?”:

“Significantly, the UFO activity occasionally transcends mere surveillance and involves direct and unambiguous interference with our strategic weapons systems. Numerous cases include reports of mysterious malfunctions of large numbers of nuclear missiles just as one or more UFOs hovered nearby.” (Declassified Soviet Ministry of Defense documents confirm that such incidents also occurred in the former USSR.) ~ Robert Hastings

So, let’s make that part three of our interesting story – that UFOs can and do effect nuclear missiles. There is much testimony on this from credible sources, if you wish to research it, and there are links to Robert Hastings’ work in the article from Collective Evolution.

An Interesting Story of Galactic Assistance
Let’s put our interesting story together, now. When we do that, it goes something like this:

An incoming missile was noted and an alert was sent out. Proper steps were taken and best judgements were made.
The galactic presence on Earth – in the form of UFOs – intervened and deactivated, and/or shot down, and/or sent off course, the potential incoming missile(s).
The UFOs then stood ‘guard’ over Hawaii for some period of time, revealing their presence in the sky.
The emergency was declared a ‘false alarm’ – because there were no longer missiles detected by the equipment.
I hope you have enjoyed our interesting story – a potential story of what may have transpired during the Hawaii missile emergency.

Here is my question – how would you feel, if it were true? How would you feel if you felt that we had assistance, from unseen realms?

How does it feel to think, or to know, that there are more technologically advanced beings that have ‘got our back’?

Not to be saviors, no, because it is up to us human beings to solve our own problems, and to create our own innovative solutions.

Maybe, just maybe, we do have angels.

Managed to track down the original source below.

https://kauilapele.wordpress.com

Viking

[Ewan]

A very wild thought, so forgive me for airing it. :)

I wonder if there's any slight possibility that it was actually real (i.e. that there really was a missile) — but that it was very quickly dealt with. And then hushed up to avoid escalation, or global instability not on the NWO agenda, or even a public demand for war.

Has there ever been a public demand for war? I mean a genuine one, i.e. not driven/created in some Machiavellian fashion.

[Bill Ryan]

A very wild thought, so forgive me for airing it. :)

I wonder if there's any slight possibility that it was actually real (i.e. that there really was a missile) — but that it was very quickly dealt with. And then hushed up to avoid escalation, or global instability not on the NWO agenda, or even a public demand for war.

Has there ever been a public demand for war? I mean a genuine one, i.e. not driven/created in some Machiavellian fashion.

Pearl Harbor. There's a huge amount of evidence that Roosevelt allowed the [very real] attack specifically in order to get the public behind the US entering WWII.

And 9/11, and the Gulf of Tonkin, of course. :) In all three cases the public demand was genuine (though definitely whipped up by the media), while Pearl Harbor was permitted to happen and the other two were true false flags.

(And of course, there are many more than that. All false flags are specifically intended to justify 'retaliatory' action to support a political agenda.)

[sunwings]

https://i.redd.it/33bkdlrbdca01.gif

[Ewan]

A very wild thought, so forgive me for airing it. :)

I wonder if there's any slight possibility that it was actually real (i.e. that there really was a missile) — but that it was very quickly dealt with. And then hushed up to avoid escalation, or global instability not on the NWO agenda, or even a public demand for war.

Has there ever been a public demand for war? I mean a genuine one, i.e. not driven/created in some Machiavellian fashion.

Pearl Harbor. There's a huge amount of evidence that Roosevelt allowed the [very real] attack specifically in order to get the public behind the US entering WWII.

And 9/11, and the Gulf of Tonkin, of course. :) In all three cases the public demand was genuine (though definitely whipped up by the media), while Pearl Harbor was permitted to happen and the other two were true false flags.

(And of course, there are many more than that. All false flags are specifically intended to justify 'retaliatory' action to support a political agenda.)

Ah yes, indeed, but as you say - whipped up by the media, which makes it somewhat less than genuine.

Were a government to take a poll about going to war, even after a massive false flag and media frenzy of rhetoric I wonder if they would still get the go ahead?

The vociferous are always in a minority from my observations.

Nevertheless we are drifting from topic, so...

:focus:

[The Moss Trooper]

BREAKING NEWS: Japanese broadcaster issues false North Korea ballistic missile alarm just three days after alert caused panic across Hawaii

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5274289/Japanese-TV-issues-false-North-Korea-missile-alarm.html

A Japanese broadcaster has issued a false North Korea ballistic missile alarm just days after a phone alert warning of a possible strike caused panic across Hawaii.

The NHK network sent out the warning today but apologised and corrected the error within minutes.



What is going on?

ETA: Update from Jim Stone on above breaking news:

NHK MISSILE WARNING A PROBABLE HOAX TO COVER FOR HAWAII

Japanese broadcaster NHK released a warning that North Korea had launched a missile at Japan. Probably on purpose to cover for Hawaii
NHK could be compared to ABC News and is not part of the national emergency system. Having them issue a false alert could easily be arranged for a "me too" scenario after what happened in Hawaii. I'm not buying it, no other broadcasters issued an alert, no sirens went off at military bases and no texts were sent to people's cell phones. This event was only a headline grabber to make people think GEE, MAYBE SOMEONE DID JUST ACCIDENTALLY PUSH A BUTTON IN HAWAII. I am NOT buying it.

My take on what happened with NHK is that Jap media is as evil as American media and they are working hand in hand now to salvage a false flag prospect over the next few days. The attempt in Hawaii failed, but there are thousands of missiles and nukes, and NHK doing this is going to help salvage prospects of having the public believe a back up plan that has probably now been put into place.

[mgray]

Or could it be that NK's ICBM rocket launches have gone awry after takeoff?

[Foxie Loxie]

Hey Ewan, "Remember the Maine"!! :facepalm:

[Hervé]

Jim Stone's take on the NHK broadcast:


NHK MISSILE WARNING A PROBABLE HOAX TO COVER FOR HAWAII (http://82.221.129.208/.zk4.html)

16 January 2018

Japanese broadcaster NHK released a warning that North Korea had launched a missile at Japan. Probably on purpose to cover for Hawaii

NHK could be compared to ABC News and is not part of the national emergency system. Having them issue a false alert could easily be arranged for a "me too" scenario after what happened in Hawaii.

I'm not buying it, no other broadcasters issued an alert, no sirens went off at military bases and no texts were sent to people's cell phones.

This event was only a headline grabber to make people think GEE, MAYBE SOMEONE DID JUST ACCIDENTALLY PUSH A BUTTON IN HAWAII. I am NOT buying it.

My take on what happened with NHK is that Japanese media is as evil as American media and they are working hand in hand now to salvage a false flag prospect over the next few days.

The attempt in Hawaii failed, but there are thousands of missiles and nukes, and NHK doing this is going to help salvage prospects of having the public believe a back up plan that has probably now been put into place.

[pyrangello]

Bill, was listening to several reports last night from Q via other interviews on the internet that this was perhaps a real missile launched and taken down and indeed covered up with this excuse 30 minutes later and the agenda is exactly what you describe. With all of these indictments supposedly coming down on high powered politicians there is an all out agenda to distract whatever it takes and this could have been one of many to come before the show starts. Keep an open mind for anything(event) that happens as we enter the wild west to clean the swamp.

[Wind]

A few possible scenarios came to my mind...

There were real missile strikes and the missiles were taken down, but I personally doubt that option. Perhaps they are testing the missile defense systems because they intend to strike North Korea this year or then it's some sort of a psychological operation to keep people in fear. Could also be a distraction from something?

[Franny]

UPDATE:

THE SIRENS AT HICKAM AIR FORCE BASE, PEARL HARBOR, AND OTHER BASES WENT OFF, AND THEY ARE NOT HOOKED UP TO THE EAS. THIS RULES OUT THE FINGER BUMBLING FOOL. BUSTED!!!

Hmm, let me guess - They were observing the "anomaly" the whistle blower (below) mentioned that they were already aware of from the day before, had systems locked, activated the anti missile defense system practically instantly, shot down the launched missiles within a minute, killed the sub, AND THEN, 38 minutes later, gave the all clear. How about that for a back story? Obviously it can't be confirmed, but it sure beats the "bumbling fool" on alert button ludicrousy..

Interesting, where did you find this, do you have a link? I'd love to see it. Thanks

[From Hervé: The only link I have is to Jim Stone who mentions it: http://82.221.129.208/.zk4.html scroll down the page to find it... found a "Dailymail one: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5138129/The-Latest-Faint-sirens-spur-checks-1st-Hawaii-test.html]

[Did You See Them]

So something is detected as incoming over Hawaii (already on Alert for NK tests ) and UFO's are then spotted loitering ? No need for missiles in the story, just UFO's tripping a switch.
Bet their peeved that they triggered their nuke detection system !

[Bill Ryan]

This is hilarious. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED. (A twitter feed, too long to copy and paste.) Trust me. :bigsmile:


https://twitter.com/CivilBeat/status/953127542050795520/photo/1

Apparently, this is a real photo of the menu the operator had to make the selection from.

Now, read the comments. :)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTq-o76VQAEXqsQ.jpg

[Bill Ryan]

Addendum to my post above: (I'm still working my way down the Twitter feed (https://twitter.com/CivilBeat/status/953127542050795520/photo/1)) :bigsmile:

This had me laughing out loud all on my own. :)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTpvPm-WsAAhgxo.jpg

(There's much more like that... :) )

[justntime2learn]

Addendum to my post above: (I'm still working my way down the Twitter feed (https://twitter.com/CivilBeat/status/953127542050795520/photo/1)) :bigsmile:

This had me laughing out loud all on my own. :)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTpvPm-WsAAhgxo.jpg

(There's much more like that... :) )

Now I'm laughing on my own ! LOL

[Hervé]

More from Jim Stone (http://82.221.129.208/.zk3.html):

16 January 2018

UPDATE:
You had better make sure you can at least keep a light on, I did not post that nifty little oil lamp for no reason.

HERE IS THE REASON: (http://82.221.129.208/.zk3.html) Pacific Command detected a missile, those systems DO NOT EVER SCREW UP, which means they shot it down, and it took them 38 minutes to confirm they destroyed the sub and another missile would not be launched, as I reported all along.


http://82.221.129.208/fumblefingerslie.jpg


I had heard about this transmission going out during a ball game but did not know anyone documented it. Well, it got documented. The earlier post from an anonymous sailor is SPOT ON, I strongly suggest you read it again:


http://82.221.129.208/wowifthisistrue.gif


And now, ever since this happened, the MSM, other officials, and even the lower forms of alt media are trying to debunk it.

Problem - the captures are real, and the only nation on earth that could have caused it and gotten away with it is Israel.

==============================================

Would the confused operator activating the "PACOM (CDW) - State Only" command line trigger RSS feeds on TV broadcasted games?

[Foxie Loxie]

Just listened to Dave Janda say it was a rogue element within China who did it! :confused:

[Bill Ryan]

http://82.221.129.208/wowifthisistrue.gif




Well, here's the source of this:


http://ascensionwithearth.com/2018/01/dark-cabal-launches-nuclear-missile-at.html

'held off the RV release' refers to the mythological Revaluing of the Dinar, which has been scheduled to happen pretty much each week for a decade now.

This part was edited out:

~~~



Planetary scans did not detect any anomalies two days ago on the 11th.

The Alliance believes the submarine originated from another D.U.M.B. located somewhere in the Pacific.

The Alliance is now actively searching for said D.U.M.B.

All legal documents regarding the RV/GCR/GESARA are signed and sealed.

The Chinese Elders are withholding RV authorization until the situation has been resolved.

The Alliance expects to resolve the situation within a couple of days.

In the meantime, the Republic is preparing for the deliveries of the prosperity funds in the U.S.

[Cardillac]

here's another analysis of the subject:

http://tomatobubble.com/oops_missile_hawaii.html

am not saying I agree with this totally but I think it's something to be considered-

Larry

[Hervé]

Ok... thanks Bill... I'll now go to the corner with that dunce hat on... :(

[Innocent Warrior]

If there's no proof there was ever a missile then considering nobody else in the world has stated otherwise then the most logical explanation is there was never a missile. They're obviously lying about it being an error so it seems it was a drill at the expense of the public to test public response.

No fear or they get what they want.

[Cardillac]

@Rachel

"If there's no proof there was ever a missile then considering nobody else in the world has stated otherwise then the most logical explanation is there was never a missile"- absolutely-

like 9/11; no plane wreckage anywhere; so where did the 'planes' come from?

another subject-

Larry

[sunwings]

I came across this interaction between a journalist and a US official.

The employee who hit the wrong button in Hawaii, triggering a false alarm warning of an inbound missle, had chance to catch their mistake; they had to hit the wrong button TWICE:

Reporter: There was a two-step process and they pressed Yes in both situations?

Official: Right.

Why was the Alert programme open? Who told them to open it? Or were they just trying to install JAVA?

https://i.redd.it/e3w944wmyma01.png

[Bill Ryan]

I came across this interaction between a journalist and a US official.

The employee who hit the wrong button in Hawaii, triggering a false alarm warning of an inbound missle, had chance to catch their mistake; they had to hit the wrong button TWICE:

Reporter: There was a two-step process and they pressed Yes in both situations?

Official: Right.



But it was asking the wrong double-check question. Apparently, it simply said [something very much like]


ARE YOU SURE?

Not


ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO SEND A REAL INCOMING MISSILE ALERT TO THE WHOLE STATE?

If this is true (and it well might be), this is a classic case study in mindless, thoughtless, unintelligent, dangerous design. (To say the least!)

[The Moss Trooper]

So why this story in the MSM, 3 days later?


A Japanese broadcaster has issued a false North Korea ballistic missile alarm just days after a phone alert warning of a possible strike caused panic across Hawaii.

The NHK network sent out the warning today but apologised and corrected the error within minutes.


There have been no pictures of screen-shots or any type of evidence about the Japanese broadcaster, just the story in MSM.

Think about it.

[Innocent Warrior]

From NHK World: Japan -

NHK apologizes for false missile alert (https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20180116_39/) (Jan 16)

NHK is apologizing after issuing a false alert that said North Korea had probably launched a missile and warned people in Japan to take cover.

The false message was sent in Japanese shortly before 7 PM local time on Tuesday. It went out through the public broadcaster's Japanese apps and website.

A few minutes later, NHK corrected the wrong information. There are no reports of problems caused by the mistake. NHK says a switching error is to blame.

The incident comes just days after officials in the US state of Hawaii issued a false missile alarm and caused panic.

* * *

Update:

https://www.nikkei.com/content/pic/20180116/96958A9F889DE0E7E5E7E4E1E7E2E3E4E2E3E0E2E3EA9191E3E2E2E2-DSXMZO2575714016012018000001-PB1-3.jpg

Source (https://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXMZO25756350W8A110C1CC1000/).

Text from article containing image translated with Google Translate -


On the 16th, NHK posted a preliminary report on the news site, news and disaster prevention application, "Pattern of North Korean missile launch", and it was corrected that it was a false alarm after 5 minutes. According to the NHK public relations department, the staff said that they misoperated the equipment.

The preliminary report flowed at 6:55 pm. "Pattern of North Korean missile launch" J alert government "Evacuate in the building and underground" was made. Actually, however, J alert is not working and corrected as "Breaking was incorrect J alert has not appeared". Announcer apologized even among news from 7 pm.

According to NHK, when a staff member of the press attempted to distribute another news bulletin, he mistakenly sent the missile launch news prepared for emergency.

J Alert is a system that sends ballistic missiles, tsunami warnings, emergency earthquake prompts, etc. from the country to local governments using satellites. Recently, when North Korea's ballistic missile passed through Japan in September 2017, it operated in Hokkaido, Tohoku and so on. When it operates, an alarm automatically flows at each television station.

With regard to missile warnings, there was a problem that a message calling for evacuation was erroneously transmitted on 13th in Hawaii.

[The Moss Trooper]

I stand corrected.

But still think about it. :bigsmile:

[Bill Ryan]

Go to 22:13 in this interview for a claimed credible insider report of a real missile launch — from a renegade Chinese submarine, trying to start a war.

The missile was taken out by the US, the source claims, while the submarine was taken out by the Chinese Navy.

Strong supportive evidence for this may come today (18 Jan), if the Petro-Yuan contract is delayed. So stay tuned. :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIO4vWYtk6s

[ThePythonicCow]

Go to 22:13 in this interview for a claimed credible insider report of a real missile launch — from a renegade Chinese submarine, trying to start a war.

The missile was taken out by the US, the source claims, while the submarine was taken out by the Chinese Navy.

Strong supportive evidence for this may come today (18 Jan), if the Petro-Yuan contract is delayed. So stay tuned. :)
Jim Stone had speculated, on his jimstone.is website, that it was a missile fired from an Israeli sub, not a Chinese sub.

Jim Stone's speculations on this fit my biases better than Dave Janda's speculations.

Moreover, I didn't hear any good reason why, if the Chinese did this, that would be associated with a potential delay in the Petro-Yuan contract.

As with Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster, so with what I would (wildly) speculate with what was really attempted behind this "false missile alert" over Hawaii ... in both cases the Israeli's being willing to create major nuclear disasters in the Far East, in order to stir up trouble that they can use to their own purposes.

I would expect that China is doing what it can to calm things down over North Korea, not stir them up. China doesn't want a million refugees from a devastated North Korea swarming over the border into China, which would be one potential outcome of the US thinking that North Korea blew up a nuclear bomb over Hawaii.

My further wild speculation, without any basis whatsoever in actual evidence, would be that Janda was sent on a mission to Greg Hunter's show to spread a false story, blaming China rather than Israel, and that the supposed connection with a potential delay in the Petro-Yuan contract was a nifty slight of hand (of tongue?) to give some credibility to this false story, for which Jandra did not provide, nor even suggest, any more substantive evidence.

[Bill Ryan]

Moreover, I didn't hear any good reason why, if the Chinese did this, that would be associated with a potential delay in the Petro-Yuan contract.

My understanding was that the stories are unconnected, but both came from the same insider contact. So if one claim turns out to be valid, it may at least partially lend credence to the other.

[ThePythonicCow]

My understanding was that the stories are unconnected, but both came from the same insider contact. So if one claim turns out to be valid, it may at least partially lend credence to the other.
Saying that some unspecified intelligence contact predicted something that has a good chance of happening anyway (there have often been delays in China's rolling out new financial instruments/activities) is a rather thin and indirect line of support for an otherwise, in my view at least, a rather unbelievable and implausible second hand rumor of an accusation of China doing something that is not in its best interests nor in its usual style of behaving.

[Bill Ryan]

My understanding was that the stories are unconnected, but both came from the same insider contact. So if one claim turns out to be valid, it may at least partially lend credence to the other.
Saying that some unspecified intelligence contact predicted something that has a good chance of happening anyway (there have often been delays in China's rolling out new financial instruments/activities) is a rather thin and indirect line of support for an otherwise, in my view at least, a rather unbelievable and implausible second hand rumor of an accusation of China doing something that is not in its best interests nor in its usual style of behaving.

Fully agreed! I was just clarifying the content of the interview. :)

By the way, it was claimed it was a Chinese renegade faction that launched the missile, and that the submarine concerned was taken out immediately by the Chinese Navy — who do NOT want a war, or for any provocative action to be blamed on them.

[ThePythonicCow]

By the way, it was claimed it was a Chinese renegade faction that launched the missile, and that the submarine concerned was taken out immediately by the Chinese Navy — who do NOT want a war, or for any provocative action to be blamed on them.

Good point (hmmm ... perhaps a Chinese renegade faction headquartered in Tel Aviv Jerusalem <grin> ??)

[ThePythonicCow]

... one more thought ... I find it rather implausible that a rogue element of the Chinese military would be firing off nuclear armed missiles from Chinese submarines at the United States (or at anyone else.)

Israel, on the other hand, has means, motive, opportunity, and a past history that are all consistent with such activities.

[Innocent Warrior]

I stand corrected.

But still think about it. :bigsmile:

For sure, what are the chances? I went through a few Japanese tweets yesterday and one pointed out that there's been a couple of false alerts in previous years, IIRC in 2015 and 2009 (IDK what for, I didn't translate their screenshot of previous alerts) and it was no big deal but this false alert has been reported across all their MSM.

[Harley]

I went through a few Japanese tweets yesterday and one pointed out that there's been a couple of false alerts in previous years, IIRC in 2015 and 2009 (IDK what for, I didn't translate their screenshot of previous alerts) and it was no big deal but this false alert has been reported across all their MSM.

This, and the ensuing retractions for both alerts, is further evidence (for me) that this was all a Failed False Flag which was promulgated by the Deep State.

[Innocent Warrior]

I went through a few Japanese tweets yesterday and one pointed out that there's been a couple of false alerts in previous years, IIRC in 2015 and 2009 (IDK what for, I didn't translate their screenshot of previous alerts) and it was no big deal but this false alert has been reported across all their MSM.

This, and the ensuing retractions for both alerts, is further evidence (for me) that this was all a Failed False Flag which was promulgated by the Deep State.

Too much of a leap for me, Harley. If it was a failed false flag then why was the Japanese false alert released three days later? If that was intended as a part of a false flag then one would expect it to have been deemed a failure on the 13th and the Japanese false alert would never have happened?

Something's up for sure but I'm not entertaining it's anything more significant than a social engineering stunt until evidence proves otherwise, to assume it must be something significant is underestimating what they're willing to do to fulfil their agendas.

Continuing along that line, what are the universals that emerge from both false alerts?
Missile alert - North Korea (inferred in Hawaii due to foundation already laid) - perceived threat taken seriously by 'authorities' (since there are prepared alerts that were mistakenly released) - error (faulty/inept emergency/defence system). So that's what they want us to believe.

It took 38 minutes for them to retract the false alert in Hawaii, plenty of time for residents and tourists to experience the sense of helplessness and terror of "any moment now" since it has been estimated it would take roughly 30 minutes for a missile to reach the US from North Korea (estimations vary due to little known capabilities).

What are the headlines following the false alert? (first six headlines returned by Google search; "Hawaii false missile alert")

Hawaii’s false alarm revealed the stunning flaws in our emergency alert system (https://www.vox.com/world/2018/1/18/16902444/hawaii-missile-alert-system-emergency)

Missile attack false alarm in Hawaii raises question: Who is in charge? (https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2018/0118/Missile-attack-false-alarm-in-Hawaii-raises-question-Who-is-in-charge)

Hawaii’s False Alarm Exposes U.S. Civil Defense Gaps (http://time.com/5107487/hawaii-false-alarm-exposes-us-civil-defense-gaps/)

Newt Gingrich: Hawaii’s false missile alert shows America must urgently develop a missile defense system (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/01/17/newt-gingrich-hawaii-s-false-missile-alert-shows-america-must-urgently-develop-missile-defense-system.html)

Hawaii Democrat: false missile alarm shows Trump failure on North Korea (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/14/hawaii-missile-false-alarm-north-korea-trump-tulsi-gabbard)

In Hawaii, Reacting to a False Alarm of an Attack (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/16/opinion/hawaii-false-alarm.html)

[Hervé]

The end result of a diet of fear and the near certainty of one's loss of life:

Tension relief? Pornhub stats rocket in Hawaii after false ballistic missile alarm (https://www.rt.com/usa/416229-pornhub-traffic-surge-hawaii-ballistic-threat/)

RT (https://www.rt.com/usa/416229-pornhub-traffic-surge-hawaii-ballistic-threat/)
Wed, 17 Jan 2018 23:58 UTC


https://www.sott.net/image/s22/444443/large/misil_alerta_2.jpg (https://www.sott.net/image/s22/444443/full/misil_alerta_2.jpg)
© Twitter


Thousands of Hawaiians eased their anxieties by watching porn just moments after a ballistic missile alert last Saturday turned out to be a false alarm, Pornhub traffic data has revealed.

Most Hawaiians predictably abandoned their porn to save their lives from an imminent ballistic threat, Pornhub, the largest pornographic video sharing website, revealed Wednesday. Within fifteen minutes after the Islanders received the emergency alert reading: "BALLISTIC MISSILE THREAT INBOUND TO HAWAII. SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER. THIS IS NOT A DRILL," traffic to Pornhub dropped dramatically.

Traffic plunged some 77 percent from its usual numbers. Either the remaining 23 percent were too hardcore to skip their Saturday porn fix, even in the face of incoming missiles, or they were in too much of a rush to hit pause. Or maybe they were all set for a good time in the comfort of their bunkers.

"Based on real-time, per-minute page-views, and compared to levels on the previous two Saturdays, our statisticians found a precipitous drop in traffic at 8:07am immediately after the warning was sent out. By 8:23am, traffic was a massive -77% below that of a typical Saturday," Pornhub said.

The need for porn surged right back up as soon as the all-clear signal came in at 8:45am, when authorities reassured Hawaiians that the original alert was, in fact, a false alarm. By 09:00am, there was a dramatic increase as people were online again to work off the tension.

"Traffic began to return to normal and Hawaiians collectively breathed a sigh of relief," Pornhub said. "Those seeking further relief headed back to Pornhub where page views surged +48% above typical levels at 9:01am."

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What else to expect from Tavistock's social engineering... the cabal got their answers and a few more adepts to their "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law." wild deregulations.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I suspect this was a trial balloon by the parasitic control freaks to measure and dine on their food of fear porn.

[Cidersomerset]

A brief 10 mins Q & A that does not say much other than Mr. Miyagi
will be going through a time line of events later....

Hawaii lawmakers hold briefing on false ballistic alert

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiE1keqqbUc

Published on 19 Jan 2018...CBS.
Hawaii lawmakers held a briefing Friday to learn the circumstances
of an emergency alert that mistakenly warned island residents of
an imminent ballistic missile attack.

[neutronstar]

Roy has a really interesting take on this and is worth a listen.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qttIYzqmNr8

[Foxie Loxie]

:bump: Gotta' love Roy! :clap2:

[justntime2learn]

A very wild thought, so forgive me for airing it. :)

I wonder if there's any slight possibility that it was actually real (i.e. that there really was a missile) — but that it was very quickly dealt with. And then hushed up to avoid escalation, or global instability not on the NWO agenda, or even a public demand for war.

Wild thought indeed bill :sherlock: So wild it might just be true!

If I am to understand this correctly there were two alerts at about the same time with one in Hawaii and one in Japan. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I've heard talks about several submarines including dolphins and if both events happened at the same time from a single sub off the coast of Hawaii as reported, then isn't there a possibility of a cruise missile launched at Hawaii and a ballistic missile launched at Japan? Perhaps testing different defenses?

I don't know so I'm following as fast as I can..

Sometimes I even wonder who's really in charge of North Korea

[indigopete]

I understood that the NSA has a huge data store in Hawaii to which Trump needed access as part of his "deep state" witchhunt and has not been able to access it. This one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii_Cryptologic_Center

The purpose of the missile alert was to trigger the emergency migration of that data store to the US mainland where access was possible. That is an automatic mechanism apparently in the event of an imminent nuclear attack on Hawaii.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEz_leHM-nU

[Hervé]

Soooo... it now seems that the alert was real... and that there was a real missile... and that it did get shot down...

From Jim Stone (http://82.221.129.208/.zj6.html):
CONFIRMED BY WITNESSES: MISSILE SHOT DOWN (http://82.221.129.208/.zj6.html)

A chartered vessel with 9 tour boat guides and about 13 tourists witnessed some type of explosion in the sky about 100 NM offshore of Maui at the time the nuclear alert went off in Hawaii. Witnesses that were in a light house 100 miles away also saw the explosion, which would mean it had to be huge and visible from two different vantage points at least 100 miles apart. This would likely have been a nuclear weapon used to take down another nuclear weapon. SEE THIS (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=81&v=Bhto4f-NiQs)

Update on the linked video:


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https://yt3.ggpht.com/-unqkHsAigOU/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/QF9SMdQ9vmg/s88-c-k-no-mo-rj-c0xffffff/photo.jpg (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVl2jWBH3ksLLJfjliXmomg)Marfoogle Watutu (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVl2jWBH3ksLLJfjliXmomg) Streamed live on Jan 21, 2018

So far I have had people telling me this IS TRUE, at least a dozen residents have come forward and said they did see a flash or felt a blast of air on the SE side of Maui, I am in no way saying this is a fact...what I am saying is there are now people coming forward saying they saw something blow up off Island. If anyone can proove this as fake I will retract what I put, My channel is supposed to be all vetted and correct so I will gladly take this back. As it sits Secure team 10 also posted my video and he got over 6k comments and more and more people are saying this was not a false warning. at this point Joe rogans people have reached out to me to confirm and I just want everyone to think outside the box

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I suppose it is possible that ETs took it out. That would be interesting to know.

[justntime2learn]

This is all fantastic information.

We're still here!

Thanks Herve, that's a lot of great information and I will finish going through it in the morning as I was just headed off to bed LOL.

I guess my first question would be whether it was a ballistic or a cruise missile. Seems like you would have a much better chance at seeing an explosion if it was a cruise missile. If it was ballistic then it would have had to have been hit pretty quick in the Boost phase I would think.

[Bob]

Asking a question - (or three, reality check..)

This part of the assumption of the "report" will try to make sense out of "witness statements" that the explosion lit up the entire sky in the daylight (long after sunrise).. Therefore..

Who tours 100 nautical miles west of Maui, in 12,000 - 15,000 foot deep water? Where there are no features to look at for instance (see map).

Who has not one tour guide but 9 tour guides 100 nautical miles west of Maui (with "tourists")?
At 0800 AM in the MORNING? Anybody "touring" out there would have had to have left like 0300 AM in the morning under the cover of darkness. WHO in their right minds would do that?

Here below is a map of Maui and the surrounding islands, with a 115 mile (about 100 nautical miles) radius drawn around the leeward side (as interpreted in the report statement)..

This original story was posted January 19th on Intellihub website: https://www.intellihub.com/claim-hawaii-charter-boat-group-witnessed-explosion-in-sky-on-morning-of-false-missile-alert/


By Lexi Morgan - January 19, 2018
A man’s sister told him a group of boaters witnessed an aerial explosion about 100 NM offshore around 8:00 a.m. last Saturday morning

SOUTH PACIFIC (INTELLIHUB) — A man posted a video to YouTube on Sunday in which he claims his sister, who lives on Maui, heard that a group of 9 tour boat guides and about 13 tourists witnessed some type of explosion in the sky about 100 NM offshore (leeward side.)

“They said it looked like a meteor and then all of a sudden it was a big boom and it lit up the entire sky,” he explained. “It was at eight o’clock in the morning.”

“Maybe this wasn’t a drill after all,” he said. “I would think that the United States would not want to cause more panic if they did launch something at Hawaii — they would say it was a mistake.”

Anybody else see anything out-reality with this "story" ?


http://chanlo.com/images/100nm-1.jpg

A potential shot of 4600 miles from North Korea (Mainland)


http://chanlo.com/images/4600.jpg

There then is the question if such a missile was there 100 nm off the west coast of Maui, who would have shot it down? From where?

There is scuttle-butt on the internet that the "Missile" was launched from an Israeli Dolphin 2 submarine. (exopolitics - http://exopolitics.org/the-secret-navy-behind-the-ballistic-missile-attack-on-hawaii/)

Anybody care to compute the cost of fuel for a "tourboat" to have like 500 nm worth of fuel on board with lets say 200 nm worth of fuel burned?

Now, Let's take another approach, re-interpreting the "Quote" a different way - this section:


8:00 a.m. last Saturday morning
SOUTH PACIFIC (INTELLIHUB) — A man posted a video to YouTube on Sunday in which he claims his sister, who lives on Maui, heard that a group of 9 tour boat guides and about 13 tourists witnessed some type of explosion in the sky about 100 NM offshore (leeward side.)

“They said it looked like a meteor and then all of a sudden it was a big boom and it lit up the entire sky,” he explained. “It was at eight o’clock in the morning.”

A big "boom" "then it lit up the entire sky". That is out of sequence, isn't it? Light travels faster than sound. And how can a BOOM from 100 nautical miles away be heard? Or felt as a wind?

Here is a picture in the morning what the sky looks like looking WEST (into the Pacific), off Wailea Maui. It is a nice BRIGHT BLUE..


http://pictures.escapia.com/HIFIVE/1106080630.jpg

How is anyone going to know where 115 miles is (100 nautical miles) "in the sky" from the Island (assuming the report from the private "lighthouse" was accurate too), to make an accurate observation (without landmarks) that observed "lit up the entire sky" (in the bright morning daylight).. Meteor's are not noted for from 100 miles away lighting up the entire sky in daylight, right??

Afternoon sunset shot, showing how "lit up the sky can be" during sunset.


https://s3-media3.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/RvQSsR1T97xQiXrGHpmN0g/o.jpg

A daylight meteor explosion example:


https://img.purch.com/h/1000/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5zcGFjZS5jb20vaW1hZ2VzL2kvMDAwLzAzOS8wNjYvb3JpZ2luYWwvZmlyZWJhbGwtZGFzaGNhbS10b3JvbnRv LmpwZw==

So could this "explosion" have been a meteor - https://www.space.com/25763-brilliant-daytime-fireball-meteor-video.html and not the "missile" allegedly "exploded" ?

It just seems there are too many "definites" (like 100 nm out) made by lay people who could not most likely, accurately report how high a jet airliner is flying to be able to then "cite with accuracy" 100 nm out is where it blew up and lit up the (daylight) sky..

It seems something is not making sense.

One more "oddity" - the video poster says this :


So far I have had people telling me this IS TRUE, at least a dozen residents have come forward and said they did see a flash or felt a blast of air on the SE side of Maui, I am in no way saying this is a fact...what I am saying is there are now people coming forward saying they saw something blow up off Island.

The original quote emphasizes - LEEWARD
explosion in the sky about 100 NM offshore (leeward side.)

On Maui the LEEWARD side is the SW not the SE. ( The incredulity continues it seems... )


https://static1.squarespace.com/static/56c78fa1a3360c4744eb2a90/t/56c79349c8f51c71a7ae7947/1455921588798/Maui-blank-map.jpg

[Hervé]

[...]
Who tours 100 nautical miles west of Maui, in 12,000 - 15,000 foot deep water? Where there are no features to look at for instance (see map).
[...]

Well from this better expressed quote:


8:00 a.m. last Saturday morning
SOUTH PACIFIC (INTELLIHUB) — A man posted a video to YouTube on Sunday in which he claims his sister, who lives on Maui, heard that a group of 9 tour boat guides and about 13 tourists witnessed some type of explosion in the sky about 100 NM offshore (leeward side.)
One can get the idea that it is the explosion that was 100 NM off shore... not the tour boat(s) nor the witnesses per se...



8:00 a.m. last Saturday morning
SOUTH PACIFIC (INTELLIHUB) — A man posted a video to YouTube on Sunday in which he claims his sister, who lives on Maui, heard that a group of 9 tour boat guides and about 13 tourists witnessed some type of explosion in the sky about 100 NM offshore (leeward side.)

“They said it looked like a meteor and then all of a sudden it was a big boom and it lit up the entire sky,” he explained. “It was at eight o’clock in the morning.”A big "boom" "then it lit up the entire sky". That is out of sequence, isn't it? Light travels faster than sound. And how can a BOOM from 100 nautical miles away be heard? Or felt as a wind?What about a supersonic object? In that case the sonic "boom" (which is an air propagated choc wave) could occur prior to an eventual explosion since it is unrelated to said explosion. The "boom" from the explosion itself may not have been heard nor felt.

... so on, so forth...

What's missing are videos and/or pictures from said tourists on a tour boat... I've never heard of tourists on a scenic tour go along without a damn camera...

[Bob]

A supersonic wave isn't going to travel faster than the light flash. I believe the report is bogus as far as a "missile". The point about who can accurately describe 100 nm away for an explosion is made. Also the expression that the SouthEast part of the island experienced a wind blast (from the explosion it is alluded). SE part of the island experiences wind, as it IS the windward side of the island. That the initial witnesses reports LEEWARD is different from the fellow's comments of SE side which is WINDWARD. The whole thing stinks IMHO. Sound before light, full sky explosion in daylight.. Very hard to believe, pushes incredulous.. As far as the first part of the conjecture made, an explosion that fast to be heard no doubt would need one to be right under the explosion. Meaning 100 nm out is where they would have to be under if one is to believe any aspect of the "claim".. that the explosion happened so quickly with a "flash".

We could go on and on about people being able to judge without reference points, how far something small is away. It is a waste of time IMHO to try to debate people's ability to judge sizes (and distances) without known reference points.

Inability to judge size (and thereby DISTANCE): https://midimagic.sgc-hosting.com/ufopercp.htm -


The human visual system is primarily adapted to simple close-up work. It fails miserably when someone tries to do any of the following tasks:

The visual system can't determine the actual size, actual distance, actual speed, or actual altitude of an unknown object. Human vision needs some of the following clues to accurately report any of these values:

Lens Accommodation: The object must be within 20 feet of the witness. People with presbyopia lose the ability to make this test, and glasses cannot restore it.

Eyeball convergence: The object must be within 30 feet of the witness, and the witness must have two good eyes. Many people can't do this beyond 20 feet.

Parallax: The object must be within 250 feet of the witness, and other objects at known distances must be in the same central vision field. The witness must have two good eyes.

CAVEAT: Witnesses tend to place the UFO at the same distance as a nearby landmark is at, if they are unable to use parallax correctly due to a substantial angle between the landmark and the UFO.

Perspective: The object must be visibly in contact with a surface that maintains a perspective order to the objects on it (e.g. the ground). The maximum distance depends on the contour of the surface, and on the periodicity of known objects on the surface, but a mile is achievable with an adequate number of objects on flat ground, and many miles can be observed accurately from certain high places.

CAVEAT: The sky cannot be considered as a perspective surface, since nothing can touch it at a known place. Many visual illusions are caused by the sky appearing to be a plane surface.

CAVEAT: Faulty perspective effects can also cause the witness to overestimate the angular size of any UFO. (any object that is "unindentified" which is "flying".. Not necessarily a manned craft)

Scattering: Intervening air scatters light into the path of observation, causing the object to look lighter and bluer than it is. Unfortunately, if the true color of the object is unknown, then this effect is not very useful.

Overlap: If the object passes in front of objects at known distances, and behind objects at known distances, then the estimate of actual distance can be constrained to be between the known values.

CAVEAT: Halation from a very bright object can appear to overlap a nearer object. This happens because halation occurs within the retina of the eye, inside photographic film, or within a TV camera's sensor array.

Cast shadows: If a known light source causes the object to cast a shadow in a known location, then the location of the object can be estimated.

CAVEAT: Remember that the sun is at infinity for the purpose of measuring shadows.

Light propagation: If the unknown object is a light source, the way its light shines on other objects and casts shadows can be used to locate its position relative to the other objects.

CAVEAT: Some other source may have actually shone the light on the other objects.

Familiarity: If the observer knows the exact identity of the object, then its true size is in mind. The observed angular size than gives him a rough (well within one order of magnitude) idea of distance, speed, and altitude. This is how trained observers can spot airplanes and report their distances, speeds, and altitudes over a distance of several miles.

CAVEAT: This training cannot extend to unknown objects, since the true size is unknown. It only works with familiar objects.

CAVEAT: If the observer guesses at the identity or size of the object, this guess then distorts the impressions of size, distance, speed, and altitude in all further observations, unless something occurs to strongly contradict the guess.

CAVEAT: UFO witnesses tend to guess a size in the range of a human carrying vehicle.

Instrumentation: If the observer has a device that can find distance by widened parallax (or widened convergence), it can increase the distance that can be measured.

CAVEAT: This still requires objects of known distance in the visual field, unless instruments and calibrations for convergence are present.

Multiple Witnesses: While each witness can form an individual estimate of size or distance that is way off, if they are far enough apart, and if their observations can be reconstructed to be synchronous in space and time, the object can be accurately located.

Visual impressions of size or speed can simply be scaled to get the true values.

Absolutely agree, why no people with cameras running.. We could assume that there would be some sort of smoke or debris, which could have been image captured, long after the "purported explosion".

[Harley]

Uh huh. :)

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Hawaii 'Button-Pusher' Refuses To Work With Investigators . . . (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/25/hawaii-button-pusher-refuses-to-work-with-investigators-after-false-missile-threat-alert-official-says.html)

HAWAII 8 hours ago


Hawaii left reeling after missile threat false alarm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGB8Szs64mI



The infamous “button-pusher” who sent out a false missile alert that caused chaos across the Hawaiian Islands earlier this month is now refusing to work with federal and internal investigators, a top Federal Communications Commission official said Thursday.

The unidentified Hawaii Emergency Management Agency official has backed off working with the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) -- and also has refused to work with two internal Hawaii Emergency Management Agency (HI-EMA) investigations, The Star Advertiser reported (http://www.staradvertiser.com/2018/01/24/breaking-news/schatz-to-lead-hearing-on-alert-systems-in-wake-of-hawaii-blunder/).

The FCC’s Homeland Security Bureau chief Lisa Fowlkes confirmed this at a Senate hearing on Thursday saying that while HI-EMA leaders have cooperated, “we are disappointed, however, that one key employee, the person who transmitted the false alert, is refusing to cooperate with our investigation.”

“We hope that person will reconsider,” Fowlkes added.

On January 13, a civil defense employee at HI-EMA accidently sent out an alert that notified more than a million people in Hawaii that they were about to be struck by a nuclear missile. Some 38 minutes passed before HI-EMA officials sent an alert to people's phones confirming the false alarm.

That employee has since been temporarily reassigned within the agency as the investigation continues.

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[Innocent Warrior]

15 days after the 'accidental' false alarms...

From Stars And Stripes (51 mins ago) -

Sales of fighters, missile defense systems push Lockheed Martin's revenue to new heights


Lockheed Martin, the world's largest defense contractor, reported record annual sales of $51 billion on Monday, up from $47.2 billion a year earlier, as the Bethesda, Maryland-based company saw growth in all four of its major business divisions.

In a call with analysts, Lockheed Martin chief executive Marillyn Hewson said much of the growth was driven by sales of its F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, which is ramping up production. The firm's profits were helped along by sales of the Terminal High Altitude Air Defense (THAAD) and PAC-3 missile defense systems, which have received increased international interest amid an escalating nuclear stand-off with North Korea. And the company also benefited from a GOP-sponsored tax reform bill that slashed corporate tax rates, allowing the company to fund its pension requirements through 2021.

Full article. (https://www.stripes.com/news/us/sales-of-fighters-missile-defense-systems-push-lockheed-martin-s-revenue-to-new-heights-1.509025)

Report Calls for New Steps for Integrated Air and Missile Defense (http://www.airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2018/January%202018/Report-Calls-for-New-Steps-for-Integrated-Air-and-Missile-Defense.aspx) (Air Force Magazine, 20 hours ago)

Lockheed Martin receives $459M THAAD contract from US Missile Defense Agency (https://www.armyrecognition.com/january_2018_global_defense_security_army_news_industry/lockheed_martin_receives_$459m_thaad_contract_from_us_missile_defense_agency.html) (Army Recognition press release, 11 hours ago)

[Cidersomerset]

Of course this will be the official answer unless something gets leaked
and its very convenient the employee wishes to stay anonymous. Ok
it could be true but it always seems suspicious.

Hawaii false missile alert blamed on human error

PebM5gZLZjw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PebM5gZLZjw

Published on 30 Jan 2018...CBS News...
The FCC is blaming human error and faulty safeguards for a false missile alert that
set off a panic in Hawaii earlier this month. The FCC said the panic started when an
employee mistook a drill for a real warning about a missile threat, and sent the warning.

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Michael Rivero was on Hawaii on the day and comments on the event and
thinks as a similar event happened in Japan two days later and since there
was already a drill going on it may have been to test civil reaction to a real
or false flag attack....first 7 mins of interview....


Michael Rivero On The Hawaiian Missile Crisis, Gender Wars, Trump's America & More

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9_HECgthpM
Published on 26 Jan 2018...Ritchie Allen...

[Foxie Loxie]

Are we the United States of Lockheed Martin now?!! :bigsmile:

[Hervé]

Are we the United States of Lockheed Martin now?!! :bigsmile:
It is with that kind of corporations that one can come to realize that a "False Flag" may not necessarily be the work of some nation's government since, now, any of these big corporations can create their own for their own benefits.

[Satori]

Uh huh. :)

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Hawaii 'Button-Pusher' Refuses To Work With Investigators . . . (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/25/hawaii-button-pusher-refuses-to-work-with-investigators-after-false-missile-threat-alert-official-says.html)

HAWAII 8 hours ago


Hawaii left reeling after missile threat false alarm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGB8Szs64mI



The infamous “button-pusher” who sent out a false missile alert that caused chaos across the Hawaiian Islands earlier this month is now refusing to work with federal and internal investigators, a top Federal Communications Commission official said Thursday.

The unidentified Hawaii Emergency Management Agency official has backed off working with the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) -- and also has refused to work with two internal Hawaii Emergency Management Agency (HI-EMA) investigations, The Star Advertiser reported (http://www.staradvertiser.com/2018/01/24/breaking-news/schatz-to-lead-hearing-on-alert-systems-in-wake-of-hawaii-blunder/).

The FCC’s Homeland Security Bureau chief Lisa Fowlkes confirmed this at a Senate hearing on Thursday saying that while HI-EMA leaders have cooperated, “we are disappointed, however, that one key employee, the person who transmitted the false alert, is refusing to cooperate with our investigation.”

“We hope that person will reconsider,” Fowlkes added.

On January 13, a civil defense employee at HI-EMA accidently sent out an alert that notified more than a million people in Hawaii that they were about to be struck by a nuclear missile. Some 38 minutes passed before HI-EMA officials sent an alert to people's phones confirming the false alarm.

That employee has since been temporarily reassigned within the agency as the investigation continues.

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This story reeks as if part of a cover up of what really went down (or up then down) that day. Try to refuse to cooperate with an internal or police investigation of something this serious and see what happens. From a criminal law standpoint one would have to take the fifth amendment against self incrimination in order to keep your mouth shut. To do that you must either be the target of a criminal investigation or have a reasonable objective belief that you will imminently be such a target. Which is not out of the question in this case.

[Cidersomerset]

Alex's inside contact Zaq says it was a false flag event....

A missile fired from a submarine off the north Korean coast which
was shot down soon after. It was not fired by North Korea....

Whistle-Blower: Hawaii ICBM Alert Was Real, US Shot Down Missile

The Alex Jones Channel ...Speaks to Zaq...

naM2b8KrPtQ
Published on 1 Feb 2018
Alex Jones speaks with an insider contact who
blows the whistle on a former false flag event.

[justntime2learn]

Alex's inside contact Zaq says it was a false flag event....

Whistle-Blower: Hawaii ICBM Alert Was Real, US Shot Down Missile

The Alex Jones Channel ...Speaks to Zaq...

naM2b8KrPtQ
Published on 1 Feb 2018
Alex Jones speaks with an insider contact who
blows the whistle on a former false flag event.

Thinks Cider,

Sounds pretty credible to me. I even heard a bump for Q Anon.

Wow, what would we use to take out a missile so quick?

I really need these daily doses of reality.

and they think I'm crazy lol

[Cidersomerset]

Wow, what would we use to take out a missile so quick?

If true ? conventionally the Aegis missile defence system would be
one of the front line defence systems based in and off South Korea
and else where in the pacific theatre....



How It Works: Detecting a North Korean Missile Strike on Guam
Center for Strategic & International Studies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPgRm2ApspE
Published on 28 Aug 2017
In early August, North Korea threatened to launch four ballistic missiles towards
Guam, targeting waters less than 30 kilo meters off the island’s coast. How and
when would U.S. missile defence forces respond if an attack like this were to take
place? Written and produced by the CSIS Aerospace Security Project and the CSIS
Missile Defence Project, in conjunction with the CSIS iDeas Lab. Narrated by Todd
Harrison and Tom Karako.


https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-bpnfxVoMv10/WZFyybaUvZI/AAAAAAAAKiU/X-seiwEEp5YIdfMUY0E52VVLeF7XH22SQCEwYBhgL/s1600/How%2Ba%2BNorth%2BKorean%2Bmissile%2Bcould%2Bbe%2Bstopped.jpg

Aegis: Capable. Proven. Deployed
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Published on 21 Mar 2017
Aegis is the world’s most advanced combat system and
pushes the boundaries of innovation. http://lmt.co/2nZVD8L

http://gentleseas.blogspot.co.uk/2017/08/against-north-korea-nuclear-deterrence.html

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Not so confident and a call for more defence $$$

How reliable is the US missile defense system?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GEqRIqjRSk
Published on 9 Aug 2017..Fox News.
North Korea's nuclear program raises questions about U.S. readiness

[justntime2learn]

A bit off topic, but wasn't it Aegis that was rendered useless on the USS Donald Cook?

The anonymous person said it was taken out immediately. I was kind of curious whether a person pushed the button or if it was 'automated' .

[Cidersomerset]

bit off topic, but wasn't it Aegis that was rendered useless on the USS Donald Cook?

Yeah you are right and this Russian news report is completely open about it.
This would also explain the Fox report and Trump giving billions to the mil
ind complex. As an aside it has been suggested that bodies within the US
gave mil secrets to its enemies during the cold war through to today so
as to have a viable enemy to keep their own mil industries going.


Russia's Electronic Weapons Can Easily Neutralize the U.S. Air Force And Ships

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Published on 16 Apr 2017



The anonymous person said it was taken out immediately. I was kind of
curious whether a person pushed the button or if it was 'automated' .

I don't know .....

[Cidersomerset]

Interesting and may query the shootdown theory or not ?


US missile defense test fails in Hawaii – officials

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Published on 1 Feb 2018
A SM-3 Block IIA missile was launched from an Aegis Ashore test site in Hawaii,
but failed to shoot down an incoming dummy missile launched from an aircraft,
an official told Reuters. CNN also reported on the failure, сiting several administration
officials. READ MORE: https://on.rt.com/8y64

[justntime2learn]

Interesting and may query the shootdown theory or not ?


US missile defense test fails in Hawaii – officials

Gou69MmJsvQ

Published on 1 Feb 2018
A SM-3 Block IIA missile was launched from an Aegis Ashore test site in Hawaii,
but failed to shoot down an incoming dummy missile launched from an aircraft,
an official told Reuters. CNN also reported on the failure, сiting several administration
officials. READ MORE: https://on.rt.com/8y64

I may just go crazy arriving a conclusion and how accurate would that be?

Again, this sounds completely plausible, but I'm not sure how much I trust the Pentagon as a reliable source.

Cider, do you think phased-array radar is what the US is counting on for an umbrella?

I really appreciate all the info so quickly and wished I could have responded sooner, however we were out to dinner with my daughter last night.

After sending the RT article to my cousin in Hawaii his response was, "Yep, of course we heard about that right away. It's not an exact science yet."

Will we ever know the truth And then how sure will we be?

[Cidersomerset]

Cider, do you think phased-array radar is what the US is counting on for
an umbrella?

Both China and Russia have made progress in this field , the US has had versions of
it for decades and now needs to catch up. The military is definitely upgrading by the
looks of it and gave three defence companies to compete for the contract , the
ever growing mil ind complex is well funded and now Russia and China are
rearming after the cold war it gives them the excuse to spend more $$$$'s.

Of course the globalists/banksters have used this for centuries giving both sides
tech so as to keep wars or the fear of conflicts going . Its highly suspicious
that after the end of the cold war , China particularly was helped to modernise
her armed forces and Russia has slimmed down in numbers but increased quality...


Lockheed Martin Air and Missile Defense Radar S Band AMDR S Digital Array Radar -2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3_u_mkg4Ek
Published on 14 Jun 2017

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The U S Navy's Next Generation Flight III DDG-51 Destroyers Are About To Get A Powerful New Radar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozFbxugeshE
Published on 11 May 2017
This video shows you that The U S Navy's Next Generation Flight III DDG-51 Destroyers Are About
To Get A Powerful New Radar.The United States Navy has awarded Raytheon a $327 million contract
modification to start initial low rate production of the AN/SPY-6(V) Air and Missile Defense Radar
Program (AMDR). The money covers the first three sets of radars, which are slated for installation
onboard the Flight III version of the long-serving Arleigh Burke–class (DDG-51) destroyers.

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BOEING, RAYTHEON, AND LOCKHEED SET TO DEVELOP BALLISTIC MISSILE
DEFENSE MULTI-WARHEAD KILLER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj2UDY4XCFM
Published on 6 Jun 2017
U.S. missile defense experts are moving forward with three U.S. prime defense
contractors to develop a future ballistic missile defense multi-warhead killer
intended to detect, track, and kill several different incoming enemy missile
warheads and decoys with only one counter-missile launch.

[Cidersomerset]

Very strange.... actor , patsy or genuine ?? Hard to tell from this.


Man Who Sent Hawaii False Missile Alert Speaks Out | NBC Nightly News

WWNI6Vv65fQ

Published on 2 Feb 2018
The man responsible for the false missile alert--now fired from his job--spoke
out anonymously, telling NBC News he was “100 percent sure” it was a real
threat and that believes he followed protocol.

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http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/3.21.31/orb/4/img/bbc-blocks-dark.png

Hawaii false alarm worker: I was 100% sure it was real

3 February 2018

A Hawaiian state worker who sent a false incoming missile alert last month says he
is devastated for causing mass panic, but was 100% sure it was real.

read more..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42929174

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Man behind Hawaii false missile alert: I thought it was real

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC5jwEE2HKI
Published on 3 Feb 2018
"Employee 1," the man who sent out the false ballistic missile alert in Hawaii, says
he is being treated unfairly and he was positive at the time that the drill was real

[justntime2learn]

Very strange.... actor , patsy or genuine ?? Hard to tell from this.


Man Who Sent Hawaii False Missile Alert Speaks Out | NBC Nightly News

WWNI6Vv65fQ

Published on 2 Feb 2018
The man responsible for the false missile alert--now fired from his job--spoke
out anonymously, telling NBC News he was “100 percent sure” it was a real
threat and that believes he followed protocol.

We just watched this on the news last night.

I felt like his story can fit at least some of the scenarios offered.

I trust NBC as much as I trust the Pentagon, but usually you find a kernel of Truth in almost anything with discernment being everything.

It seems right now anybody's guess.

I would like to thank everyone again for their contribution in solving this puzzle.