SOUND ALCHEMY Presentation - Hermetic Sound characteristics -

[GaelVictor]

Make a cup of tea, take some time, and you may enjoy the sounds of knowledge and self-realization;

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[Cardillac]

the power of sound frequencies when enhanced are limitless; either for benevolence or malevolence-

as I'm a professional musician this topic interrests me greatly;

the problem we are facing nowadays is all 'music' is tuned to A440 Herz; it's a very disruptive frequency, leading to more disruptions and violence (are we there yet?)-

I've read conflicting reports about the yr. but it was either in 1909/1919 when international (or at least western) tuning was "adjusted" (ahem!) from A432 Herz (the frequency of universal peace and harmony) to A440;

the difference between the 2 frequencies is only a 1/4 tone (if one has a bit of knowledge about whole, 1/5 and 1/4 tones) but it makes all the difference in the world; I listened to the same pieces of music played on both frequencies and the A432 is just so much more soothing and pleasant-

stay well all-

Larry

[Desire]

I truly enjoyed this video! I've never mentioned this before,I was a professional singer for many years of my life and I know the rewards of singing regularly. It always made me feel strong , alive and filled with peace.
Thank you for this beautiful video. :clapping:

[Navigator]

the power of sound frequencies when enhanced are limitless; either for benevolence or malevolence-

as I'm a professional musician this topic interrests me greatly;

the problem we are facing nowadays is all 'music' is tuned to A440 Herz; it's a very disruptive frequency, leading to more disruptions and violence (are we there yet?)-

I've read conflicting reports about the yr. but it was either in 1909/1919 when international (or at least western) tuning was "adjusted" (ahem!) from A432 Herz (the frequency of universal peace and harmony) to A440;

the difference between the 2 frequencies is only a 1/4 tone (if one has a bit of knowledge about whole, 1/5 and 1/4 tones) but it makes all the difference in the world; I listened to the same pieces of music played on both frequencies and the A432 is just so much more soothing and pleasant-

stay well all-

Larry

I've done the same -- A440 has this very subtle, but very noticeable (to me), tension behind it that A432 does not have at all.

On the OP, I was hoping for more music and less lecture, oh well. I can find that on youtube easy enough :) I'll save the link for when I have proper amount of time to listen to the lecture.

[Cardillac]

@Desire

I began as a clarinet major but that later changed to voice and as a singer I had a career in 11 countries (no joke)-

I think we can both identify with the beauty of feeling our voices resonating within our bodies but this is/was all at A440; imagine how we'd feel if we'd been singing at A432-

be well-

Larry

[Valerie Villars]

Larry, knowing nothing about the science of music but having a real understanding of the alchemy of it, I am wondering does the A440 hertz apply to all recorded music? Radio, etc? And this is a dummy question, but what about live music? I have a very real reason for asking this.

[dynamo]

the power of sound frequencies when enhanced are limitless; either for benevolence or malevolence-

as I'm a professional musician this topic interrests me greatly;

the problem we are facing nowadays is all 'music' is tuned to A440 Herz; it's a very disruptive frequency, leading to more disruptions and violence (are we there yet?)-

I've read conflicting reports about the yr. but it was either in 1909/1919 when international (or at least western) tuning was "adjusted" (ahem!) from A432 Herz (the frequency of universal peace and harmony) to A440;

the difference between the 2 frequencies is only a 1/4 tone (if one has a bit of knowledge about whole, 1/5 and 1/4 tones) but it makes all the difference in the world; I listened to the same pieces of music played on both frequencies and the A432 is just so much more soothing and pleasant-

stay well all-

Larry
I have been reading a little about this "re-tuning" over the past several years and cannot believe the music industry would allow itself to be swayed as they have, if in fact this IS fact.
Who makes these types of decisions to affect an entire industry?
Why only "A", why not the entire musical scale?
After reading your comments, I decided to find examples of the differences, so I searched on youtube for A432 versus A440.
Here are a few:

Start around 4:19 to hear the music on this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt3EAPDn-Ug?t=254

This one does not display which is which so allows an unbiased, subjective decision:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVoVr9UwOQM

This video gives us a visual representation to go with the audio, well done, IMO. Best to read the comments below the video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGGTmF6xjKI

[louisecroukamp]

I'm always sceptical when it comes to this topic. I remember Drunvalo Melchezedik doing a meditation using the emerald scrolls of Thoth and later it was discovered that it was incorrect and doing more damage that anything else. Drunvalo came across as having vast knowledge of vibrational frequencies and hertz variances, so I was quite astonished when it came to light that he was wrong when it came to the emerald scrolls. It made me very weary to meditate to any music, especially music designed specifically for meditation purposes. I was especially worried that I would be projecting my energy towards the wrong end. I have absolutely no knowledge about hertz frequencies whatsoever, so I really can not give any kind of professional information regarding this topic and I honestly can not tell the difference between these frequencies. I am trying to learn though, but I fear that the doubt seed has already been planted and I may never overcome it because it's always there in the back of mind.
I also know that it's possible that Drunvalo may very well be a puppet.

[Akasha]

So glad she mentioned the Om Tara mantra although not exactly enamored with her version. Horses for courses I guess. Here's Craig Pruess's rendition from way back. Just beautiful!


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[Navigator]

... Why only "A", why not the entire musical scale? ...


Using "A" is just setting the reference point for the whole scale. So the entire scale is affected when base frequency changes. "A" is just the chosen point to tie that base frequency to, sort of like an unwritten standard.

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I am not convinced that a youtube video can give one the fidelity to really notice the difference, as it is subtle. I think you need live music to really notice it.

[dynamo]

... Why only "A", why not the entire musical scale? ...


Using "A" is just setting the reference point for the whole scale. So the entire scale is affected when base frequency changes. "A" is just the chosen point to tie that base frequency to, sort of like an unwritten standard.

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I am not convinced that a youtube video can give one the fidelity to really notice the difference, as it is subtle. I think you need live music to really notice it.
Thank you, Navigator, for clarifying, now that makes sense to me that the entire scale is changed.
Also, I agree, a nice tube or transistor analog amplifier, not a digital amp or digitally sampled audio, such as that on youtube, would provide a truer analog representation of "real world" audio.

[Akasha]

The irony of the sub-debate within this thread is that all of Ani Williams' music in the OP video is tuned to 440 (apart from some of the unaccompanied sounding)....

.....cue the "imagine how it would sound even better if...." comments.

Personally, I feel that it depends on the nature of the material as to whether 432 trumps 440 or not. If you want a more relaxed (deflated?) angle, 432 will be ideal, however, if you are trying to inject a certain urgency or pace into the piece, then 440 will do just that.

Regarding cymatics experiments, last time I looked I wasn't a sound board with a peppering of sand on top so I really can't comment :) (although they are interesting all the same).

[Olam]

Yes I have all my acoustic guitars tuned at 432 since about ten years now and its great. Also helps for guitars that don't sing too well, since there is less tension on the strings, it helps for it to open up.
Only problem is when you play with others whom are usually at 440Hz.
Keyboards can be tricky to tune down also but its doable.

[Cardillac]

@Villival

all I can say is that every orchestra I've even sung with (many!) have all tuned to A440; a 440 was supposedly adopted (ahem!) because it's a more brilliant frequency, adds more luster to the sound; well, anyway, that's the cover story-

before his death in the late '80s, meglomaniac Austrian conductor Herbert von Karajan wanted to raise the frequency even higher so many singers just didn't want to work with him anymore; over the course of a long operatic/concert evening the voice would tire very rapidly at that constant high tessitura so by the end of the evening their voices would've been shot-

be well!

Larry

[Cardillac]

@dynamo

there IS a difference between quarter tones even if its only 8 hz.- ask any highly trained professional musician (how many rock musicians have extensive, exhausting musical training?- like zero)-

to answer your question "who decideds this?": easy: the Music Industry (it's a huge industry that has any kind of music in its claws)

be well-

Larry

[triquetra]

Truth be told, 432hz might not be right on the money. There is a separate argument that can be made, a simpler one, that somewhere lower than 440hz, was a more natural "pocket" for tuning, and we pushed it up and up until it went out of the pocket.

If this pocket were to represent the types of frequencies we tended to pick out naturally when we were in much earlier stages of music history, then those frequencies were likely aligned to other dominant cycles in our natural world. Whether they relate to the cycles of celestial objects, or cycles on our own planet, the important thing is that these cycles entrained themselves in us over a long, long time, and are a match for the "pocket" that came to exist once we codified our growing musical traditions with better made instruments, music notation, etc.

What we have done now is turned our backs on all this, and said it doesn't matter, all that matters are the intervals! Oh wait, no, we got rid of the proper intervals too.
So we said none of it matters, as long as it more or less sounds ok. That's what we did.

Music has been rendered impotent. We don't take it seriously anymore. Few have had a profound experience in their lives, something that moved them to tears, or took them on a true journey.

What's more is that this out of tune music is actually stressful for us. Especially the pop garbage produced nowadays, you will notice this at the grocery store and similar places especially, the artificial lyrics and tuning will bear down on you and actually stress you out. The tuning is enough sharp with the natural cycles that it produces a wolf interval with the natural cycles which simply generates dissonance.

This is one of the frontiers where we can only turn the tides by completely tuning out of all of that stuff. Completely isolate ourselves from the modern epidemic of careless sound organization we somehow still call "music", and find what really moves us, makes us feel at peace, anything genuine, and take that in exclusively.

Tolerating what's out there does no favors to ourselves or anyone else. We need to get back to the powerful potential that music really has, if we can find it in our own lives.

[Cardillac]

@triqueta

"Truth be told, 432hz might not be right on the money. There is a separate argument that can be made, a simpler one, that somewhere lower than 440hz, was a more natural "pocket" for tuning, and we pushed it up and up until it went out of the pocket"

could you please state sources?- as I'm a professional musician (and you?) it would interrest me greatly-

Larry

[Olam]

Talking about how something sounds is quite limiting and so the best thing is too listen for yourself!

Here is a online converter that converts music originally set at 440hz to 432Hz.
Try your favorite songs and see how it feels!
Use the AAC output version which is better than mp3's

https://www.conversion-tool.com/432hz

[Cardillac]

this will be my last posting on this subject:

it is not necessarily what we hear with our aural senses but what our bodies/sub-conscious minds (vibrational frequencies) percieve;

there were many experiements with plants where they were subjected to music played at either A432 or A440; the same plants (obviously they can't hear anything but picked up on the vibrational frequencies) who were subjected to A432 frequencies began to grow around the speakers but later when subjected to the same music/sound at A440 began to grow away from the sound source-

and plants are "stoopid"?- no, WE'RE "stoopid"-

what else can I say?

Larry

[Valerie Villars]

Thank you Larry. I wonder what blues musicians, playing live, tune to. Never have I felt so vibrantly alive as having heard live music in certain venues; usually smaller and certain types of music. There is alchemical magic there.

I greatly admire all of you. And thanks.

[triquetra]

could you please state sources?- as I'm a professional musician (and you?) it would interrest me greatly-

Hi Larry,
This assertion is based on my own research into the matter, as for obvious reasons such research needs to be done quietly for the most part, coming forward only once there is undeniable evidence for a crowd that seems suspiciously enthusiastic about shutting down anything which deviates from the narrowly defined accepted status quo.

I can explain the research. It involves biofeedback equipment which monitors entrainability in subjects as they are exposed to different waveform combinations across multiple senses. "Entrainability" means how well biosignals such as brainwaves and heart rate begin to synchronize with the source signals (or not at all). There are other indicators such as muscle tension increase or reduction, galvanic skin response, etc.

The research indicates several things so far. First of all, a lot depends on the category of individual selected for experiments. By category, I mean several things. One dimension of categorization is the pure entrainability of the individual to any stimulus at all. Some people are completely blocked off, and seemingly at the crux of the matter is intention. Individuals who intend to not respond to stimuli are often quite good at succeeding at this. We might know these kind of people as being walled off in many more obvious ways.

So let's focus on those not in that first category, the ones who are open to stimuli, and do respond to them.

Within that category, we find individuals who respond more immediately to some base frequencies than others. In other words, some individuals are tuned more sharp than others, others more flat than others. The process to determine this base frequency for the individual involves varying the base frequency of the stimuli until the individual is showing the maximum responsiveness. This is not the easiest thing as it takes a good amount of data recording at each attempt to be sure, and there can be other factors at play that skew the data.

So there was an effort to work around this obstacle by forming the hypothesis I mentioned above. Was there a "right" frequency range versus a "wrong" one? Assuming this to be true, it was possible to select individuals based on other data that might correlate to these two categories.

By "right", I mean a category of person not in need of advanced meditation technology at all. In other words, they were already showing signs of being in a healthy groove, of being synchronized with the natural cycles in a way that allowed them to be happy, healthy, at peace.

And by "wrong", I mean a category of person who truly is in need of this kind of technology. In other words, they show severe signs of residual stress, of inability to fall into natural cycles such as circadian rhythm (24 hour sleep/wake cycle).

This was a breakthrough, as the data fit perfectly to the hypothesis. As it turns out, those seeking out this kind of technology most as an alternative means to eliminate residual stress and return to a healthy state were entraining more easily to sharper base frequencies, the ones out of the pocket. It took them longer to entrain, and it was not always possible to use the technology's actual purpose to ease them down into the pocket (the process of lowering brainwave synchronization state into the meditative state). Their brainwaves would exhibit fight or flight signature patterns matching worry, anxiety, dis-ease.

Conversely those who hardly would need this technology at all entrained readily to frequencies in the pocket, and responded quickly to the frequency lowering protocol to bring the mind into the meditative state.

All in all, the conclusions formed from this study suggested that it is in fact necessary to entrain those who truly need the technology using base frequencies higher than the pocket, and to very gradually, over the course of many sessions, bring them back into the pocket while looking holistically at other aggravators in their life and lifestyle that could be improved or eliminated.

In other words, it has been reduced to a process of undoing damage caused by, among other things, however many years of absorption of out-of-pocket frequencies which contribute to permanency of residual stress. Deeply anchored residual stress can take a very long time to clear.

To summarize, the pocket, and the out-of-pocket frequency ranges alternate with one another as you look across the octave. The 5-limit just intonation relative frequencies to a frequency within the pocket also land in their own pockets as well. Equally tempered intervals relative to a frequency outside of the pocket land in their own out-of-pocket ranges as well.

The matter is anything but trivial enough to call out a specific frequency like 432hz or 440hz as being the whole of it. People need the simplicity of a single number to symbolize an idea that they know somehow deep inside is important but cannot explore the matter enough themselves to find the broader truth.