Elisa Lam Documentary

[Mike]

Most of you that are familiar with David Paulides and his work are also familiar with the Elisa Lam case. For those that aren't, Elisa was found dead under very suspicious circumstances in a water tank on the roof of the Cecil Hotel in Los Angeles on February 19th 2013.

This is a very detailed doc, and offers some intriguing information I'd never heard before, including several bizarre coincidences that simply boggle the mind. Warning: highly disturbing content.

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[Navigator]

One of my favourite weird mysteries of all time.

[Bill Ryan]

One of my favourite weird mysteries of all time.

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Yes. Spine-chillingly weird, and 100% inexplicable unless it was (IMO) the work of an invisible, interdimensional predator.

As Mike said, Dave Paulides includes this in his list of inner-city cases of highly anomalous disappearances. See also this thread:


David Paulides' research: over 1600 inexplicable abductions in National Parks, wilderness, and urban areas (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88574-David-Paulides-research-over-1600-inexplicable-abductions-in-National-Parks-wilderness-and-urban-areas)

[Bill Ryan]

A little more about this, for people who've never heard about the case. She was caught on the CCTV of a lift in her LA hotel, and appeared to be talking to someone or something (off-camera) in an agitated state. After that, she was never seen alive again.

Three weeks after she disappeared, a maintenance man was checking on a problem with the water supply to the hotel.

He investigated the water tank on the roof... and found that her body was inside it. But there was no hole or access nearly large enough for any person to get in there.

Her body had to be cut out of the tank. The entire thing was physically 100% slam-dunk totally impossible.

[O Donna]

While viewing the vid I am reminded just when I think I know enough about something, I don't.

Makes me wonder what it would be like to be an independent investigator out into the field of the subject of interest at hand. This may be my imagination talking but a thought arises....dig deep enough and long enough into any mystery and I might uncover more then I bargained for. Do I really want to witness what lies behind these mysteries first hand? Still, the idea pulls at me. Do I take it to the next level?

Has any posters reading this taken it to the next level? While imaging answers I get both variation, wishing they hadn't and glad they did.

[Hervé]

An earlier thread on Elisa Lam: Mass mind control, disruption of the Schumann Resonance and 'Who is Elisa Lam?' (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58313-Mass-mind-control-disruption-of-the-Schumann-Resonance-and-Who-is-Elisa-Lam)

[Bill Ryan]

Has any posters reading this taken it to the next level? While imaging answers I get both variation, wishing they hadn't and glad they did.

Well, this is part of the now very large David Paulides collection of inexplicably anomalous missing persons cases. Paulides has grown famous for refusing to speculate on what the h*** is happening here, but I think to the majority of the horrified people looking at all this, logic leads one VERY uncomfortably by the nose to the conclusion that this is all the work of an intelligent, interdimensional predator.

As Sherlock Holmes said: Once you've eliminated the impossible, what remains must be the truth.

Or, even more uncomfortably, a WHOLE LOT of predators. But there, the investigation stops dead. What kind of predator? Why? 'Where' are they? What's the history? What's the science? There are no answers to any of those questions. And it's really hard to think of how to find them.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Yes that was a seriously strange case. Thank you for the link, I will watch with interest.

Definitely at the heart of the mystery has to be the Cecil Hotel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deaths_and_violence_at_the_Cecil_Hotel). That place has a very weird, disturbing history.

In its 90 year history, there has been (I quote): at least sixteen deaths, resulting from non-natural causes: either as a result of suicide, accident or murder.

If visiting Los Angeles, I think it would be wise to check in to almost any other hotel.

[O Donna]

And it's really hard to think of how to find them.

I can get my head around that as I have been down many an apparent blind alley when trying to get my head around a mystery, abet mentally from secondhand reports.

[Mike]

Yes that was a seriously strange case. Thank you for the link, I will watch with interest.

Definitely at the heart of the mystery has to be the Cecil Hotel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deaths_and_violence_at_the_Cecil_Hotel). That place has a very weird, disturbing history.

In its 90 year history, there has been (I quote): at least sixteen deaths, resulting from non-natural causes: either as a result of suicide, accident or murder.

If visiting Los Angeles, I think it would be wise to check in to almost any other hotel.



Yep, the Cecil has been the site of many disturbing events.

It should be noted that it is next to skid row, and is frequented by vagrants and homeless folks. It is not in the best area.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_Hotel

Sometimes bad events beget other bad events, and a cloud of negative energy coalesces and kind of takes on a life of its own. These areas may act as a devils' playground, and attract all sorts of nefarious people and *non people*.

Indeed, if one considers all the facts and weird coincidences in this story, it almost feels like Elisa had an appointment with death.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Yes true, but it didn't used to be. In the 20s and 30s when the Cecil was built, it was a stylish, upcoming area, and the hotel was designed to appeal to tourists and reasonably flush clientele. It's interesting to note, that almost half the 'weird deaths' actually took place in that period before the war.

[DNA]

Most of you that are familiar with David Paulides and his work are also familiar with the Elisa Lam case. For those that aren't, Elisa was found dead under very suspicious circumstances in a water tank on the roof of the Cecil Hotel in Los Angeles on February 19th 2013.

This is a very detailed doc, and offers some intriguing information I'd never heard before, including several bizarre coincidences that simply boggle the mind. Warning: highly disturbing content.

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I watched the whole video.
From forty minutes on some very interesting information.
The footage in the elevator has been tampered with and had some time removed.
Two men entered the hotel lobby with Elisa (right before she had entered the elevator and was never heard from again) and had given her a small black box. Who were these men?
There were several sex offenders staying in the hotel.
And months after Elisa Lam's body was found a you-tuber walked up the stairs (found the door to the roof unlocked) got on the roof and video taped the water tanks and two of the four tanks were not only unlocked they had their lids open.

Elisa Lam was a Canadian from Vancouver Canada.
Why was she traveling alone?
Young women should simply not travel alone in my opinion and this doubles for traveling to Los Angeles.

What happened?
This young lady was murdered and her body dumped into a water tank.
It is stated that the water was only half filling the tank and she would not have been able to reach the lid above here, this is another indication she was murdered, and the lid was closed behind her.

[Navigator]

Here's just the elevator footage, for those just wanting to go there or start here.

You can see an apparent edit @2:56 in the video.

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[DNA]

He investigated the water tank on the roof... and found that her body was inside it. But there was no hole or access nearly large enough for any person to get in there.

Her body had to be cut out of the tank. The entire thing was physically 100% slam-dunk totally impossible.
I had heard this before too, but this was not mentioned in this new video Mike provided.
They show the opening to the tank in the video and it absolutely looks big enough for someone to fit into.
This case looks more and more like a murder case.

The deal with the interaction in the elevator is cause for pause though.

She does look like she is interacting with an invisible presence of some kind.

[O Donna]

When I first investigated this story beyond the headlines, it crossed my mind to actually go to Stay on Main (Cecil) as a regular hotel guest. I read the reviews online, the renovations, name change, room cost, viewed maps, watched videos of LA's skid-row etc.

A voice in my head said I'd most likely only witness the mundane for the area.
Still, if I'm ever in LA and have the time, I wouldn't mind stopping by for a visit without expectations.

[Mike]

When I first investigated this story beyond the headlines, it crossed my mind to actually go to Stay on Main (Cecil) as a regular hotel guest. I read the reviews online, the renovations, name change, room cost, viewed maps, watched videos of LA's skid-row etc.

A voice in my head said I'd most likely only witness the mundane for the area.
Still, if I'm ever in LA and have the time, I wouldn't mind stopping by for a visit without expectations.



You know I was thinking precisely the same thing:) I'd like to stay a night there, for reasons I can't quite understand. The intrigue, maybe. Or maybe to just say I stayed there. I dunno.

As Marcus pointed out, several parts of this video are in direct disagreement with Paulides research. The roof is apparently quite easy to access now; and yes, the water tank openings look big enough for a human being to crawl thru (and 2 of them were already open!) After a murder case like that, you figure they'd be xtra careful about such things!

I wonder if it was the same on the night of the murder; and I wonder if, for legal reasons, the hotel merely claimed the roof alarm was on and so forth. It seems they tampered with video, so perhaps it didn't end there.

And yet, Paulides claims - as Bill points out in his post above - that the tank openings were too small and had to be cut open to remove the body. I can't imagine someone as diligent as Paulides getting that one wrong. I'm sure he did his homework there.

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[DNA]

I can't imagine someone as diligent as Paulides getting that one wrong. I'm sure he did his homework there.

:no: I don't know buddy.
I'm starting to think he did not.
Most of his case studies in his books are the police reports from what took place and such, not really on the scene interviews.
I'm thinking the folks who did the video you posted were much more diligent than Paulides on this one. :noidea:

[findingneo]

I have not followed this story, but going by the comments regarding the location and history of the hotel where it occurred, it having a history of unfortunate events in and around it, I can't help wondering if each event provides support and strength for a negative portal there, the events caused by and then feeding and strengthening the connection?

[Mike]

I can't imagine someone as diligent as Paulides getting that one wrong. I'm sure he did his homework there.

:no: I don't know buddy.
I'm starting to think he did not.
Most of his case studies in his books are the police reports from what took place and such, not really on the scene interviews.
I'm thinking the folks who did the video you posted were much more diligent than Paulides on this one. :noidea:

Right. Quite possible. But what motivation would the police have for possibly inventing a story about cutting open the water tanks???

[DNA]

I can't imagine someone as diligent as Paulides getting that one wrong. I'm sure he did his homework there.

:no: I don't know buddy.
I'm starting to think he did not.
Most of his case studies in his books are the police reports from what took place and such, not really on the scene interviews.
I'm thinking the folks who did the video you posted were much more diligent than Paulides on this one. :noidea:

Right. Quite possible. But what motivation would the police have for possibly inventing a story about cutting open the water tanks???
The path of least resistance.
Maybe they did cut open a specific water tank due to no one wanting to go in and exhume a body while inside a steel tank.
You saw the opening on top of that tank, would you want to wade into that with what was inside? Or would you say "cut open the tank!".
Could be Paulides heard this and ran with it using conjecture?

[Hervé]

[...]
... what motivation would the police have for possibly inventing a story about cutting open the water tanks???
Dead bodies in water start to swell... ?

[findingneo]

The water tanks on Hotel Cecil where she was found.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=hotel+cecil+water+tanks&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=QTjBFBy7AK6dOM%253A%252CuRL9ZfU4BJC03M%252C_&usg=__3b2TLZS6RQ79CZHOfaTjXVnqjas%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj4naLljOjYAhWMxrwKHdrFAq0Q9QEILTAB#imgrc=dqXmSgQlsiAn6M:

Perhaps it was too narrow for her hips and shoulders to squeeze into?
And can you imagine getting a decomposing body out of a too small exit, without damaging evidence (let alone the unpleasant factor involved)? Who would care about having to cut the water tank if it avoided other unnecessary complications?

[Mike]

Thanks for posting those pics findingneo.

It appears to me, just by looking at it, that a small skinny person could get in the opening with a little determination and creativity(if, hypothetically she were attempting a very bizarre suicide). If she were already dead before entering the water tank, whoever (or whatever) killed her wouldn't have to negotiate a fighting, flailing individual. They could, in effect, shove her thru in a crumpled up fashion. But getting a bloated body out of a narrow opening like that may have required a larger opening and therefore a cut to widen it. Plus, lifting out is more difficult than dropping in.

Perhaps a combination of what Marcus, Herve and findingneo said.

[ghostrider]

i have heard dimension doors appear all over the earth naturally , it could be an entity is using a doorway for evil ...

[Wind]

Interesting synchronicity Mike, I was just thinking about this spooky case yesterday before you even had made a thread about it. Now I came here and see this thread!

How can you solve a case like this? The rationalist in me would like to think that she was a mentally disturbed woman who somehow got herself killed... The other investigative part in me tells that there's something way abnormal about this. If someone killed her, who or what was it? Possibly it has to be a man. I just find it interesting that the coroners assume that there was no foul play involved.

If, and only if, some unseen force has the ability to even kill people... What do we make of that? I'm sure most of us agree and even know that ghosts and demons exist, but have people ever actually been directly killed by them? I'm not sure if I want to entertain that kind of thought.

[Ewan]

Having watched your OP video Mike I noted a few points.

At the age of 21 she was diagnosed bipolar - whilst at university as I understood it, and prescribed pyschiatric medications to 'help' her.

https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2017/02/07/the-number-one-mind-control-program-at-us-colleges/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2690138/
http://www.apa.org/monitor/2012/06/prescribing.aspx

Her blog posts (that were quoted) seem relatively ordinary to me, the struggle of a sensitive person to cope with this effed up world. My own scribblings from 15 to early 20's would not be too dissimilar.

Her posts on social media are visible to all, and could lead to targetting if a group were searching for such vulnerable people; her last post on tumblr was made 29th jan, whilst she was in LA, on a friends phone? Who? She had lost her own phone, who did have it?
(This is pure musing (targetted) and should be ignored in any conclusion - which I won't be arriving at anyway).

From the autopsy report she was still taking at least some of her psychiatric meds. It also mentioned blood pooling in rectum - normal? I went to a few autopsy sites but couldn't find anything specific about that.

The hole cover in tank looks large enough - just - but lid was closed behind her. Also the fine sandy layer on all her clothing, the video suggested could have come from her undressing on the roof. It could therefore also have happened from being dragged across the roof; but there was no definitive proof that the sandy debris even matched the gravelly coating of the roof, and that could have been determined.

Finally, the two people and black box seem almost anecdotal, there is no other evidence to confirm or deny. Which therefore has to be dismissed, much as my musings on possible targetting even though the two could tie in together.

Edit: To add. It would take a very strong individual to lift a corpse onto the roof of one of those water tanks, or more than one person.

The lift door not closing.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Thanks for posting those pics findingneo.

It appears to me, just by looking at it, that a small skinny person could get in the opening with a little determination and creativity(if, hypothetically she were attempting a very bizarre suicide). If she were already dead before entering the water tank, whoever (or whatever) killed her wouldn't have to negotiate a fighting, flailing individual. They could, in effect, shove her thru in a crumpled up fashion. But getting a bloated body out of a narrow opening like that may have required a larger opening and therefore a cut to widen it. Plus, lifting out is more difficult than dropping in.

Perhaps a combination of what Marcus, Herve and findingneo said.

According to the autopsy report her official cause of death was drowning, so I assume they found water in her lungs. It means she was alive before entering the tank (but not necessarily conscious).

The high strangeness for me was always, and still is, the elevator footage. There's just no obvious answer that explains her behaviour, except some kind of mental sickness. Yes, it is possible there's a spiritual/mystical or X-Files type explanation behind all this, but I'd argue that more prosaic criminal activity is more likely.

Although sexual assault was so say ruled out, people have commented that the autopsy report made no mention of what the rape kit results were. As a motive that is still on the table. If she was drugged for instance or knocked out, it would require no great feat of strength for the perpetrator to transport Lam's body (weighing only 115 pounds) up to the roof by way of the fire-exit (not alarmed), and then drop her into that water tank to dispose of it.

Unconscious in the water, she drowned. I don't think there's anything particularly unusual about how she got in that tank. I've seen nothing to indicate the hatch would not accommodate someone of even her slim proportions. Also note that the hatch was open when her body was first discovered - one way or the other, she definitely entered the tank via that hatch. And it is no mystery to me why they cut her out. The hatch was too small to extract a bloated body without damaging it.

There are still, and likely always will be, many questions on this mystery. But there are plenty of rational explanations to explore first, before arriving at the supernatural.

[Ewan]

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...it would require no great feat of strength for the perpetrator to transport Lam's body (weighing only 115 pounds) up to the roof by way of the fire-exit (not alarmed), and then drop her into that water tank to dispose of it.



Have to disagree there, not about getting to the roof, but getting on top of the water tank. You need at least one arm to climb the ladder and a corpse/unconscious human is not particularly accomodating to being lifted, especially one-handed.

How do we know the lid was open when the body was found? I thought the guy said he lifted the cover and got a shock?

Edit to add: Unfortunately, given the amount of suicides which were clearly murders that turn up in the alt community not all autopsy reports can be trusted to be accurate. That particular autopsy report was changed several times if the OP video is to be believed.

I'm not pushing for any theory to gain prominence. Just leaving things open without definitives.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

How do we know the lid was open when the body was found? I thought the guy said he lifted the cover and got a shock?

Not sure about the shock claim, but in several articles I've seen the hatch was open from the beginning. That was the statement of hotel employee Santiago Lopez who found the body. In this article (https://www.vice.com/sv/article/3bkmg3/elisa-lam-drowned-in-a-water-tank-two-years-ago-but-the-obsession-with-her-death-lives-on-511) he says:

"I noticed the hatch to the main water tank was open and looked inside and saw an Asian woman lying face-up in the water approximately twelve inches from the top of the tank," he said.



not about getting to the roof, but getting on top of the water tank. You need at least one arm to climb the ladder and a corpse/unconscious human is not particularly accommodating to being lifted, especially one-handed.

Difficult, but not impossible. Maybe there were two men involved? One has to ask, which is most likely: 2 humans committing this crime together, or 1 inter-dimensional entity? I'm not a sceptic that completely rules out the latter. I just think the former is simply more plausible.

2 men committing rape/murder together is not an unheard of crime. It becomes potentially more plausible if you consider the possibility of an inside job, i.e,. two hotel employees targeting a guest who is mentally ill and vulnerable. (just theorizing).

[Mike]

Not to muddy the waters here hopefully, but it appears bipolar people can and do hallucinate during moments of mania. The elevator event very well could have been some kind of phenomena related to that. Notice the bizarre way she is moving her hands and arms. I only mention it because I've never seen it being considered as a possibility.

https://www.healthline.com/health/bipolar-disorder/do-people-with-bipolar-have-hallucinations

[Ewan]

Yes, it looks to me like she is checking to see if something she can see is actually there. The way a person deprived of sight suddenly starts feeling around. Yet she can see something and is doubting what she sees. I see her interacting with something that we can't see.

Why does the elevator door never move, why is the video edited.

I'm most interested in the implications of the Jon Rappaport blog linked above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101403-Elisa-Lam-Documentary&p=1203182&viewfull=1#post1203182) because I think it is convenient to claim she is having an 'episode' when all the other signs seem to point to a much improved state of mind.

I'd like to know a lot more about the police investigation, information on which seems sparse.

-The 68? yr old sex offender and his 'like an adopted son' that lived at the hotel, for instance.
-Did the police try and track her lost phone?
-How can they release an obviously edited video surveillance from the elevator

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Here's an interesting analysis of the elevator footage. Lots of questions raised, not so much new ones as this has been floating around a long while now, but it sets the scene for what is the very heart of the mystery: the elevator, and what the heck is going on. There is also some footage of the roof and water tank - which has a ladder. It seems easy to climb into (but not out).

Well worth a watch.

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It is possible she's having some kind of delusion/episode, either brought about by failure to take her meds, or from drug use.

We could theorize that by pressing the 'hold' button and standing around at the entrance, she's actually waiting for someone. The hand gestures are weird for sure, but I honestly don't think there is anyone in that corridor she's talking to. Maybe she has an arrangement to meet someone at that elevator to go down to the lobby for a drink etc. It does look like she's hanging around, waiting for someone to arrive. Then could she be miming to herself, as if rehearsing a line for a date? Who knows.

[Ewan]

I'm not a body language expert but she looks fearful to me, so I don't think she is voluntarily waiting for someone - more like hoping someone doesn't arrive.

From the OP video, only source I'm considering atm, her system was clear of drugs except minimal alcohol and her prescribed drugs. They suggested one of those drugs was missing and as such could have been a balancing factor in a psychotic episode.
(Sorry, but that looks like a convenient get-out clause to me - she was having an episode because she didn't take all her meds. All her own fault whilst conveniently passing-by the history of bad news on psychotropic drugs).

The mime angle is possible, resulting from an internal dialogue being played out.

I have not watched that last vid you referenced yet, it's downloading, but what makes you think she's hanging around. There is a close door button as well as a hold door button on many elevators. I'm quite sure she'd rather not be hanging around from the body language. :noidea:

EDIT: Ok I've seen that video now, he claims its been verified that's the hold button she's hitting. Also some 'people'? claim this is playful and aroused. That explains why I never had much luck with the ladies then.

Not sure he's a great source. "Hundreds of people have been murdered here"?

Its a big danger speculating without facts, I think it was already mentioned in this thread. You end up trying to make facts fit the speculation, and why I immediately added caveats to my musing in the first response I made.

[neutronstar]

I can't imagine someone as diligent as Paulides getting that one wrong. I'm sure he did his homework there.

:no: I don't know buddy.
I'm starting to think he did not.
Most of his case studies in his books are the police reports from what took place and such, not really on the scene interviews.
I'm thinking the folks who did the video you posted were much more diligent than Paulides on this one. :noidea:

Right. Quite possible. But what motivation would the police have for possibly inventing a story about cutting open the water tanks???
The path of least resistance.
Maybe they did cut open a specific water tank due to no one wanting to go in and exhume a body while inside a steel tank.
You saw the opening on top of that tank, would you want to wade into that with what was inside? Or would you say "cut open the tank?".
Could be Paulides heard this and ran with it using conjecture.

They had to cut the opening to make it bigger because she was in the tank for 2 weeks. She was bloated. She was probably twice the size she was when she died. She was very thin at the time of death. She could have very easily fit in that hole, but not after swelling up.

I think this is a case of a rape and murder. Also a cover-up by the very corrupt LAPD.

[Michi]

I can't imagine someone as diligent as Paulides getting that one wrong. I'm sure he did his homework there.

:no: I don't know buddy.
I'm starting to think he did not.
Most of his case studies in his books are the police reports from what took place and such, not really on the scene interviews.
I'm thinking the folks who did the video you posted were much more diligent than Paulides on this one. :noidea:

Right. Quite possible. But what motivation would the police have for possibly inventing a story about cutting open the water tanks???
The path of least resistance.
Maybe they did cut open a specific water tank due to no one wanting to go in and exhume a body while inside a steel tank.
You saw the opening on top of that tank, would you want to wade into that with what was inside? Or would you say "cut open the tank?".
Could be Paulides heard this and ran with it using conjecture.

They had to cut the opening to make it bigger because she was in the tank for 2 weeks. She was bloated. She was probably twice the size she was when she died. She was very thin at the time of death. She could have very easily fit in that hole, but not after swelling up.

I think this is a case of a rape and murder. Also a cover-up by the very corrupt LAPD.

I agree with Neutronstar.

The video is just a "conspiracy"-diversion. :facepalm:
Either the forensic investigations were flubbed or covered-up.
If she'd commit suicide, there would have been her finger prints all over the place.
If she has been tossed into the water tank, there should have been skin abrasions at the tank's rim.
Where is the report showing any possible abuses?
With nowadays modern forensic investigation techniques you can get to the bottom of all matter!

[DNA]

Yes, it looks to me like she is checking to see if something she can see is actually there. The way a person deprived of sight suddenly starts feeling around. Yet she can see something and is doubting what she sees. I see her interacting with something that we can't see.

I wanted to address this but it just seemed too far out there.
The video mentions a company involved with invisibility technology.
I remember a story about a man who was considered "crazy" who was "on the run" because he was in possession of a piece of information concerning invisibility tech from a "real" millitary contractor type company in San Diego.
The only reason he wasn't killed out right was because his father worked high up and served as a deterrent for his death.
It was an amazing story but I can not for the life of me think of a reference point that would allow me to start searching for information that would lead me to the story. I'm pretty sure this was something I was exposed to here on Avalon, and I could swear Bill had commented on it.
I'm going to have to go straight to the horse on this one. :)



The video is just a "conspiracy"-diversion. :facepalm:
Either the forensic investigations were flubbed or covered-up.
If she'd commit suicide, there would have been her finger prints all over the place.
If she has been tossed into the water tank, there should have been skin abrasions at the tank's rim.
Where is the report showing any possible abuses?
With nowadays modern forensic investigation techniques you can get to the bottom of all matter!
Not so fast. :stop:
She was in that tank for weeks.
She was in there long enough for the water from the tap to turn black with her decomposing flesh and blood.
Any rain or such would have removed the evidence you speak of on the roof or on the ladder leading up to the top of the water tank.

[Mike]

Marcus maybe you're referring to the book 'Chameleo? Bill did start a thread on this topic

https://www.amazon.com/Chameleo-Invisible-Addiction-Homeland-Security-ebook/dp/B00ZDWEITO

[DNA]

Yes, it looks to me like she is checking to see if something she can see is actually there. The way a person deprived of sight suddenly starts feeling around. Yet she can see something and is doubting what she sees. I see her interacting with something that we can't see.

I wanted to address this but it just seemed too far out there.
The video mentions a company involved with invisibility technology.
I remember a story about a man who was considered "crazy" who was "on the run" because he was in possession of a piece of information concerning invisibility tech from a "real" millitary contractor type company in San Diego.
The only reason he wasn't killed out right was because his father worked high up and served as a deterrent for his death.
It was an amazing story but I can not for the life of me think of a reference point that would allow me to start searching for information that would lead me to the story. I'm pretty sure this was something I was exposed to here on Avalon, and I could swear Bill had commented on it.
I'm going to have to go straight to the horse on this one. :)

I flagged my own post with a question directed to Bill because I could swear that I'd heard about this from him.
Bill was kind enough to reply and directed me accordingly.
If folks are in the least piqued in so far as their curiosity concerning the possibility of an actual invisible person interacting with the young Ms. Lam then folks should check out Bill's thread on Chameleo and for the record we should resurrect this thread and give it the proper attention it deserves.
CHAMELEO -- SAIC's classified (and operational) invisibility program (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94050-CHAMELEO-SAIC-s-classified--and-operational--invisibility-program)

The story goes like this.
A kid named Damien has a room mate who went awol from the armed forces and on his way out of his military base he stole a laptap and some night vision goggles. Damien goes on to explain how folks from the military start visiting him. Damien states that they wanted those night vision goggles back.
The story includes stuff that include folks 'millitary' who appear to be using invisibility tech. And this is in San Diego, not too far from LA.

So back to the Elisa Lam story and how this information is relevant.
The Turbuculosis strain, which was brand new, that started in the homeless population surrounding the hotel just a few weeks after Elisa Lam was killed, and while occupants of the hotel were drinking her decomposing body. The name of the Turbuculosis strain was {Lam, Elisa}. That is effing crazy in so far as coincidences are concerned.
Also, wasn't she in contact with a millitary guy from San Diego that she was supposed to be meeting according to her online posts?
The hotel being a hotbed for satanic activity, we now know how the highest offices of politics and military are often satanic.
Now as crazy as it sounds could there have been a satanic millitary cabal using invisibility technology to find, kill and infect someone and use their body to spread this disease?
The only reason I even give this suggestion voice is because of her name. Lam. This would be something these types would take very seriously.
If they were looking for a sacrifice what more perfect name could they hope for than Lam?

[FreeURmind]

Her finance is linked to Raytheon. (If that hasnt been mentioned) And I didn't know a humans foot could twist like that.

[O Donna]

Elisa Lam death is an unusual death no matter how it's cut. A thought crossed my mind that an unusual death reported in the media could well be meant to send a message. I don't know the message but by it's nature it would be significant.

Decoding that message could be hidden in what various investigators have uncovered thus far. And/ or other things need to happen to quicken a clearer answer.

I admire people who dedicate their time in trying to put the pieces together.

[findingneo]

I think Elisa Lam looks both frightened and under the influence, of whatever. Bi Polar perhaps, and perhaps something unseen. I don't think there is anything in the hall that is physical, but there might be something she thinks she can hear and/or see. Perhaps she can see .....something. She almost looks like she is stroking something with one repeated hand movement.

This case is one of many, the common denominator being the hotel. It housed The Night Stalker who killed at least 13 women and it seems some at least would be found naked. The Night Stalker would enter from the back after a killing having stripped off bloodied clothing to put in the dumpster before going to his room. A copy cat serial killer also killed stayed there later and also killed using the hotel as a base. The hotel was known as "Hotel Suicide" as folk would jump from it's windows and lots of vagrants, drug addicts, alcoholics, etc would stay there. American Horror Story Season 5 was based on this hotel, and it is considered haunted.

Haunted with dark energies/entities that influence folk who are already compromised with their mental/spiritual health seems like the path of least resistance there.

Add On: Interestingly, it is a pet friendly hotel.

[Sir Eltor]

Just have to say , as a flat roofer , and transporting certain heavy items to the roof with small options . To transfer a 115lbs body up a verticle ladder would not be too difficult , the body would bend , therefore being able to balance the body over a shoulder ... Freeing up two hands for the climb .

( sorry , I tried post reply , but didn't work )

[Mike]

Holy sh!t.

I just googled "Elisa Lam" coincidences, and this is what I found. This is a must read!
https://inthelandoftheblindoneeyeisking.wordpress.com/2013/02/27/elisa-lam-murder-and-the-signs-that-were-given/

And speaking of coincidences, part of this is related to Marcus' last post here, and his reference to the cloaking technology discussed in the book 'Chameleo':

About a month before she died, Elisa tweeted about invisibility technology.
https://inthelandoftheblindoneeyeisking.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/foto.jpg

This appears to be clearly ritualistic. Please do read the info in this link!

[findingneo]

Mike, when I think "Invisible light", I think of the light outside the visible to humans spectrum of light, such as infrared, which can sometimes pick up paranormal anomalies ( figures, ufo craft, sky critters, possible portal openings and closings) on a night vision security camera or night vision telescope for instance.

In the comments below the article that your link goes to, there is a woman who said she lived there while she waited for her flights as it was the only place she could afford. She was certain there was a serial killer that lived in the building, who was also after her. She thought that this man had something to do with the death of Elisa. She also said there were lots of criminal activity there, and that she was almost raped, and framed for fraud. She said she escaped and hid until her flight date, but that it was just a very bad place.

I still think it is a portal, one where evil activity is attracted to and amplified by the portal. Add On: And by whatever comes through it.

[Cognitive Dissident]

This is the problem with this case. While Paulides is an excellent researcher, we don't have any photos of the water tanks etc. at the time of her death - as far I as know, the main visual evidence is from the elevator, which is extremely weird but not conclusive proof.

Wikipedia, which I do not take as a good source, since they always edit things out which are not mainstream, only says "The tank was drained and cut open since its maintenance hatch was too small to accommodate equipment needed to remove Lam's body". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Elisa_Lam

There are other Paulides cases which I think are much better, particularly those involving small children travelling long distances alone (often in a short time). Those cases are really impossible to explain by any "normal" means.

[Michelle Marie]

An earlier thread on Elisa Lam: Mass mind control, disruption of the Schumann Resonance and 'Who is Elisa Lam?' (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58313-Mass-mind-control-disruption-of-the-Schumann-Resonance-and-Who-is-Elisa-Lam)

Every video that I tried to access from that thread is no longer available. Obviously, this information has been suppressed. However, I think the current rush of truth will bring it to the forefront again.

This is a truth whose time has come, and I don't feel like it can be restrained.

"Scalar Physics" ... Nice to know the term for research purposes.

MM :hat:

[Tam]

Yes that was a seriously strange case. Thank you for the link, I will watch with interest.

Definitely at the heart of the mystery has to be the Cecil Hotel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deaths_and_violence_at_the_Cecil_Hotel). That place has a very weird, disturbing history.

In its 90 year history, there has been (I quote): at least sixteen deaths, resulting from non-natural causes: either as a result of suicide, accident or murder.

If visiting Los Angeles, I think it would be wise to check in to almost any other hotel.



Yep, the Cecil has been the site of many disturbing events.

It should be noted that it is next to skid row, and is frequented by vagrants and homeless folks. It is not in the best area.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_Hotel

Sometimes bad events beget other bad events, and a cloud of negative energy coalesces and kind of takes on a life of its own. These areas may act as a devils' playground, and attract all sorts of nefarious people and *non people*.

Indeed, if one considers all the facts and weird coincidences in this story, it almost feels like Elisa had an appointment with death.

Perhaps the negativity of the area birthed some kind of thoughtform that may be responsible? It's not unheard of for tulpas to become independent and wreak havoc.

This is 100% speculation, of course.

[findingneo]

Could well be tulpa/egrigor thought forms there Indigris, that would make sense, and I do think that level of negativity creates openings into darker places as well, letting stuff through to manipulate folk to do dark stuff.

[DouglasDanger]

This was done by two human men with the influence of a specific entity that claims "domain" over this hotel. What draws so many predators to this hotel? actions and rituals done over many years. We all know the name Richard Ramirez, what he did and what influenced him ( although he claimed it was "the devil" we know better, that there is many many more than one "devil"). This "Entity" is not one to trifle with, never mention its name aloud nor in print unless you want to deal with it for several years giving yourself several losses and heart aches before you force it to detach from you. This will not be the last mysterious death or murder in The Hotel Cecil until it is destroyed, the land under it Blessed and forbidden to be built upon ever again. I apologize for my vagueness a run in last week punctured a lung and I am still recovering. These entities "devils"don't want me dead just suffering, they are upset with the deal I have been granted.

[Mike]

Hi there DouglasDanger, What "deal" are you talking about?:) What 2 men and what entity?

I don't mind if members post personal psychic impressions in the thread, just please be clear about them. Thanks. Otherwise things will get ever murkier than they already are.

[findingneo]

Oh! Creeping me out a bit DouglasDanger. I don't want to know what the answer is to Mike's question, so won't be back. Going to look out that copy of Mary Poppins, my fluffy purry cat and a mug of hot coco, (and blanky). leavin ya to it. Night.

You can get a bit swallowed up by the dark if you don't take the time to do some nice stuff DouglasDanger. Maybe you should look after you for a bit so that you don't vibrate at the same rate as the darkness. Looking at it is one thing, but if you stay there without coming up for air it can consume you.x

[DNA]

Holy sh!t.

I just googled "Elisa Lam" coincidences, and this is what I found. This is a must read!
https://inthelandoftheblindoneeyeisking.wordpress.com/2013/02/27/elisa-lam-murder-and-the-signs-that-were-given/

And speaking of coincidences, part of this is related to Marcus' last post here, and his reference to the cloaking technology discussed in the book 'Chameleo':

About a month before she died, Elisa tweeted about invisibility technology.
https://inthelandoftheblindoneeyeisking.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/foto.jpg

This appears to be clearly ritualistic. Please do read the info in this link!


I just re-read this little journey we went on together.

Pretty crazy and cool really. This has got to be one of my favorite threads where we go back and forth and came up with some pretty incredible conjecture.
We went from David Paulides and his Missing 411 hints that some type of portal or teleportation took place to something just as incredible and maybe even more far out. I initially concluded that teleportation and or a portal were not needed to get her into that tank and I started losing interest until I started following up on that scene in the elevator where she is interacting with something that does not seem to be there.
And then throw in that a military related program was initiated for testing a new strain of tuberculosis and they utilized it by infecting the person of Elisa Lam, who by being placed in a water tank then tainted the water and spread the infection. Note the name of the tuberculosis strain that broke out after her death was named (Lam, Elisa).
We then focused on the weird elevator scene and found for reasons we do not know why these same people who infected her with a spreadable infection employed personnel equipped with technology hinted at in the CHAMELEO (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94050-CHAMELEO-SAIC-s-classified--and-operational--invisibility-program) thread which appears to be invisibility and cloaking technology.
Was the invisibility technology used as some sort of bait being as she had a voiced interest in invisibility technology?
Was her name a factor in her sacrifice (Lam)? And being as that most sacrifices are considered more powerful if the person being sacrificed gives their consent was the technology used to acquire her trust and thus her consent? The footage in the elevator absolutely looks like she is interacting with an invisible presence, especially as she is seen pushing up against something we can not see.
There was a company said to be working on invisibility technology renting one of the rooms in the hotel.

[Zak247]

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Here’s a weird, and I mean weird item from the author.

Go to about 10:12 of this video and listen closely.

I’ll summarize but you won’t believe it so go to the video. Apparently, the CDC was investigating at the same time as her death some massive spread of TB. This according to a newspaper two days after they found her body

And they were going to perform a test called LAM/ELISA TB test!
THE TEST IS 8 YEARS OLD!

This is either a government op or the Skinwalker ranch hotel!