The Walter Bosley thread

[Bill Ryan]

I'm starting this thread to provide a standalone platform for author and researcher Walter Bosley. Most of you will know he's a member (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?29411-WalterBosley), frequently posting on the Corey Goode thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode).

But Walter has far more to talk about that he has on the forum so far. This first post is just a summary (a sort of index, maybe).

His YouTube channel, called 'The Walter Bosley Channel'. He has nearly 50 of his 'Breakaway' vlogs (video blogs), where he comments regularly and succinctly on a wide range of issues.


https://youtube.com/channel/UC4HCF_8lkc09CHRRP1oe05Q

His presentation at the 2015 Secret Space Program conference:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijA7atHnm8M
And his books:


http://lulu.com/spotlight/lostcontinentlib

The Secret Missions series:

http://projectavalon.net/Walter_Bosley_Secret_Missions.jpg

The Empire of the Wheel series:

http://projectavalon.net/Walter_Bosley_Empire_of_the_Wheel.jpg

Other books:

http://projectavalon.net/Walter_Bosley_Other_Books.jpg

He'll be here to field questions on anything which he knows a lot about (which may be more than many members realize. :) )

[WalterBosley]

Hey, this is cool. Thanks, Bill!

Bill and I agreed that this is a good idea (since I'm active and accessible here) because hijacking threads is no fun, but people will have questions about crap I've said and odd things I've written, lol.

I look forward to questions and comments and will do my best to respond in a timely fashion.

[Foxie Loxie]

Thank you for your body of work! :star::star:

[CurEus]

Thank you for posting this, it is actually new and novel information with a very well thought out and researched perspective.

[Flash]

Hey, this is cool. Thanks, Bill!

Bill and I agreed that this is a good idea (since I'm active and accessible here) because hijacking threads is no fun, but people will have questions about crap I've said and odd things I've written, lol.

I look forward to questions and comments and will do my best to respond in a timely fashion.

Well, the "crap" I just listened to is well organized, well researched, and truly utterly interesting. I am just eager to read about the link to ET's on one hand and the spiritualist movements on the other hand.

Wonderful work Walter, many thanks. Very well presented too, which is a gift in itself. We need more of yousss for research like this.

the reverse engineering would have been just added to knowledge already there. I wonder what the mysterious liquid was composed of... could it be mercury or lithium?

I had heard of counter rotation and torsion fields since childhood. And the cone within... interesting. I do think the kind of knowledge related to anti-gravity and the bell technologies was part of the era and many connected to it consciously or not. Why at that time, that way, god knows... but i think it was to be provided to humanity as a whole, in terms of the overall design of human evolution, but it was not provided. This changed our paths towards further development as a human race.

We have been hijacked by mafia-like groups from the start it seems, which you kind of demonstrated as well.

[DNA]

Hi Walter
Dude you are extremely articulate. You have a good speaking voice.
You have impressive credentials.
Counter terrorism OPS and Consulting.
National Security Division of the FBI.
Captain of the USAF. That is pretty impressive.
My favorite source for information regarding what you speak of is from another retired USAF man "Wendelle Stevens".
He has a marathon video "high production" on S4 that was put out a few years ago.
It's the best video of it's kind in my opinion. His Whistle Blower from Area51/S4 is the best of it's kind in my opinion.
S4 (Area 51) Informers Volume One Wendelle Stevens and Bob Dean (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31708-S4--Area-51--Informers-Volume-One-Wendelle-Stevens-and-Bob-Dean)

I'm a huge fan of Wendelle's books as well. The guy is the premier researcher of the UFO field in my opinion.



You think the breakaway civilization started in the 19th century?

That is kind of crazy.

So in the post civil war era we had a break away civlization, they had technology separating them from the rest?
A Prussian Nationalist Cabal? Calling themselves the Nymza = NJMZa? Dude I'm a guy who has heard it all. I mean I've heard most. But I've heard nothing about this so color me skeptical in my spectacles.

You are starting to sound like this is going to the origins in the Vrill society.

Especially as it started with Edward Bulwer-Lytton.


You are speaking on areas that are very near and dear to me.
I've often wondered how much the Nazi presence influences and or controls this breakaway civilization.
You say the Nazi's do not control the present breakaway civlization. Are you familiar with an ideology that does in fact control the breakaway civilization?
Are you familiar with the Billy Meier material? I've often wondered if a Nazi hold over in Antarctica was/were in fact the Plieadians.

The Nimza?
This word reminds of Mimzy. I say this because of the Movie "The Last Mimzy" which is about people in the future sending back artifacts to collect DNA which has become degenerated in the future. The movie "hints" that many UFO's are from the future.
Just Correlating out loud. :)

Will return for more comments, have to go. :)

[DNA]

So Nymza started off as Mufon.

I'm at the 12 minute mark here brother, and you need to start speeding up your delivery and or information correlation.
Sonora Aero Club flying rudimentary machines in the air in the 1850's?
Do you have any kind of correlating evidence?
Peter Menace was the leader of the Sonora Flying Club.
Anti-gravity in the 1850's?
It would seem to me, that if technology for anti-grav could be made in the 1850's then really anyone could do it in their garage or machine shop.
So, I'm having a hard time with this.
Why isn't there any information concerning this peripherally in the works of others?
Even the Nazi Bell seems to require scientific experts and massive amounts of electrical energy to get going.
And yet this Sonora club was working with Industrial Revolution technology?
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Okay, I'm now 35 minutes into the video.
I've been watching, I've been paying attention.
But I've got to tell you.
I give very little credit and or merit to information that is isolated and not connected to any other information.
I'm at a point in the video where you seem to be making guesses on who is in the Nimza club. Guesses?
I'm sorry but everything about your information so far feels like guesses.
You are a smart dude, so in so far as this video is concerned I do not know where you are going with this.
I've been patient I feel, but you are not making it clear where this information is going.
And as to now I personally feel no validity in the information shared thus far.
If you might comment in such a manner that intrigues me, then okay, I'll resume.
But bro, I'm a been there, done that, seen that kind of guy. Stories in isolation with no framework connecting them to the rest of the literature and or body of work tend to be just that, stories.

[WalterBosley]

How much caffeine have you had? :bigsmile:

[WalterBosley]

DNA,

If you're actually paying attention to my presentation at the SSP conference, you'll know that it's backed up by my book Origin and in that book I provide the sources for what information I provide. And where I am speculating, I state that I am speculating. I say 'I think' or 'I propose', etc etc. I would recommend watching the video again and reconsider it from this perspective. And, of course, I would recommend reading the book. If after that you still have your very acceptable doubts, I would just leave it at that. I don't evangelize. I never try to convince people of anything about which they're skeptical. I present what I think and what I propose might back it up as much as I can, and I leave it to the viewer/reader to decide for himself. :bigsmile:

[Helvetic]

Hello Walter, here is my contribution. As a friend of Kevin Smith (RIP) I enjoyed your interviews with him since many years. Thank you. Please enjoy.

The Kevin Smith Show | Walter Bosley | Crime Murder and Mystery | 2013-05-06

Source: kevinsmithshow.info (http://kevinsmithshow.info), Information Machine (http://information-machine.blogspot.com)

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Description: Walter Bosley - Investigative author and publisher Walter Bosley discusses his discovery of information linking cult killings in the early 1900's, Butch Cassidy and Sundance Kid, the Secret Service, and a mysterious private German aero research and development group which became the forerunner and funder of what became the NAZI advanced space research and development. Blockbuster info. -The Kevin Smith Show

[WalterBosley]

Damn, I miss that guy. He was one of the best.

[Star Tsar]

Latest from Walter...


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Walter Bosley | Secret Space Programs & Breakaway Civilizations

Streamed & Published 2nd February 2018

Investigator of historical occult mysteries, author of pulp fiction novels and a screenwriter who has appeared on History Channel's 'Ancient Aliens'.

After nineteen years in national security, Walter Bosley is a licensed private investigator in California where he also runs his small press publishing company, Lost Continent Library, founded in 2002. Bosley has traveled much of the world, both on the job and off, including trips through Mexico and South America with David Hatcher Childress whose WEX Magazine has published articles by Bosley.

Walter Bosley was born in San Diego, California, and attended SDSU where he earned a B.A. in Journalism. He has been employed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, is an inactive reserve officer in the US Air Force for which he served as a Special Agent of the AFOSI while on active duty, and then worked as a counterterrorism operational consultant for six years following military service.

Bosley spends his time writing fiction and non-fiction, as well as investigating strange mysteries, in between PI assignments. The latest news about Bosley's projects can be found at the following blogs: empireofthewheel.blogspot.com & lostcontinentlibrary.blogspot.com


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[WalterBosley]

Just FYI, everyone:

I've had my fill in general of trolls so you'll find I won't take their bait. I personally don't find debating with them to be 'good forum content' so I won't engage in that direction. Been there, done that, there's no real value in it.

Also, I probably won't read lengthy stuff. And I'll try to keep my own commentary down to a paragraph or less.

Thanks!

Walter

[The Moss Trooper]

Hi Walter,

can you say anything about your thoughts on Richard Doty, and the practices used by that team?

Many thanks.

[The Moss Trooper]

DNA wrote:


I'm a huge fan of Wendelle's books as well. The guy is the premier researcher of the UFO field in my opinion.

This quote from Bill @ the Mirage Men thread:


Doty talked extensively about the Paul Bennewitz affair, as he has done before, but what was NEW was his revelation that not only had Bill Moore (famously!) been co-opted by Doty at AFOSI (the Air Force Office of Special Investigations) to 'co-operate' by supplying information to them, but also Wendelle Stevens. (Wow.)

Any thought's on this DNA?

[WalterBosley]

Well, if you're referring to the AFOSI, I was on that team for almost six years. I assume since you are referring to Doty, that means the Bennewitz issue.I have said many times that the Bennewitz affair went sour at the hands of the NSA, in my analysis of the situation. I find AFOSI gets a lot of undeserved mud thrown its way.

As regards Doty, I just 'met' the man for the first time a few months ago, in an online private message chat. It was a positive experience. We were both featured in Mirage Men, so that being the other issue that involves Doty I can say that the producers of that are considered to be automatically critical of the US military where anything UFO is concerned. But they just love the CIA guy which would, under any other circumstances in the UFO community, be highly questionable, so you be the judge. I'm saying that the Mirage Men portrayal is skewed.

Doty is not the bad guy. The AFOSI is not the enemy. That's the rational position, from my perspective.

Hi Walter,

can you say anything about your thoughts on Richard Doty, and the practices used by that team?

Many thanks.

[Bill Ryan]

Well, if you're referring to the AFOSI, I was on that team for almost six years. I assume since you are referring to Doty, that means the Bennewitz issue.I have said many times that the Bennewitz affair went sour at the hands of the NSA, in my analysis of the situation. I find AFOSI gets a lot of undeserved mud thrown its way.

As regards Doty, I just 'met' the man for the first time a few months ago, in an online private message chat. It was a positive experience. We were both featured in Mirage Men, so that being the other issue that involves Doty I can say that the producers of that are considered to be automatically critical of the US military where anything UFO is concerned. But they just love the CIA guy which would, under any other circumstances in the UFO community, be highly questionable, so you be the judge. I'm saying that the Mirage Men portrayal is skewed.

Doty is not the bad guy. The AFOSI is not the enemy. That's the rational position, from my perspective.

Yes, absolutely, on all counts. I knew Doty, too.

Allow me to copy this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?4720-Mirage-Men-A-Journey-into-Disinformation-Paranoia-and-UFOs&p=1205783&viewfull=1#post1205783) here, which I wrote earlier today: (Walter, I'd be MOST interested in your comments.)

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Marvelous, important interview. This may well deserve its own thread.

Highly recommended. Jimmy Church did his best when totally ambushed by the unexpected call.

Doty talked extensively about the Paul Bennewitz affair, as he has done before, but what was NEW was his revelation that not only had Bill Moore (famously!) been co-opted by Doty at AFOSI (the Air Force Office of Special Investigations) to 'co-operate' by supplying information to them, but also Wendelle Stevens. (Wow.)

Doty explained that each AFOSI agent had been tasked to recruit a handful of people in the UFO community, and that he had two others who he was handling as well, whom he didn't name.

* BUT (!)

There were 122 AFOSI agents in the field, each tasked with the same orders — although some were working internationally (e.g. in Europe and elsewhere). So the total number of co-operating recruits in the community numbered between 350—500. Bill Moore was just ONE of them. Doty didn't know who had been recruited by all the other agents.

* AND (!)

The AFOSI weren't the only players in the field. The DIA and the FBI were also doing the same thing, and Doty stressed that the FBI had a really extensive operation.

So, OMG. No-one expected those numbers. This information is new. All this was in the 80s, but in that decade there was EXTENSIVE infiltration in the UFO community.

Church of course asked whether this was continuing. Doty said he wasn't in the loop any more, but he personally knew of two public names, currently active, who had been recruited. He implied that there must of course be many more.

Wow, once again.

After one takes a breath, that's no real surprise, but it was pretty interesting to hear it from the horse's mouth.

As always, Doty was friendly, affable, chatty and open. He always has been. (I knew him myself.)

More (in summary!) that Doty stated or clarified:


There were two crashes at 'Roswell' (two craft: one near Corona, and another, discovered two years later in 1949, near Magdalena), and that one live ET had been recovered. And there were other crashes in the late 40s and early 50s as well.
Paul Bennewitz was very much the architect of his own downfall, and was determined to believe what he did — even despite Doty's later attempted dissuasion. All this time, Doty was merely following orders, very low in the food chain as one of many AFOSI field agents.
There would regularly be as many as 20 agents, from different agencies, attending every UFO conference.
'Falcon' (of the 'Aviary'), and famously showcased in the 1988 documentary UFO Cover-Up?: Live! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CzZyrGolAg), was Richard Helms.
The MJ-12 documents that Bill Moore had acquired seemed to be genuine, and Doty didn't know how Moore had received them.

Church did pretty well on the fly. But OMG, I wish he'd had the presence of mind to also ask him the following:


Why did he call in?
Were the MJ-12 documents genuine that Doty famously presented to Linda Howe?
What was Doty's actual role in the Serpo affair?
What happened to the Roswell live alien that was recovered? What information was learned?
What had he heard or learned about the Apollo missions, and the current Secret Space Program?

Again, HIGHLY RECOMMENDED, and important.

[The Moss Trooper]

Great thread.

Thank's to all involved, especially Walter & Bill.

Walter wrote:


Doty is not the bad guy. The AFOSI is not the enemy. That's the rational position, from my perspective.

Who is the enemy, in your opinion, Walter?

[WalterBosley]

In the Bennewitz affair, it was NSA and people above AFOSI command.

Regarding the agents attending UFO conferences and recruiting in the 80s, I wasn't in until 1994 so I can't tell you anything regarding the validity of what Doty said about that. I can, based on experience, propose that their presence may not have been to suppress ET as much as it would more likely have involved classified program protection efforts. There may also have been an espionage concern, i.e. foreign intel agencies infiltrating US UFO groups.

Are you sure there is an enemy within the context here, so to speak?

And I would have no way of knowing for certain whether or not Doty really is retired from operational life. So think about that when reading his revelations noted above. :)


Great thread.

Thank's to all involved, especially Walter & Bill.

Walter wrote:


Doty is not the bad guy. The AFOSI is not the enemy. That's the rational position, from my perspective.

Who is the enemy, in your opinion, Walter?

[The Moss Trooper]

For sure I'm well aware that a lot of these 'operators' are never out, out. And the UFO topic has been/is a golden goose for intel agencies to cover-up all sorts of shenanigans and deadly-serious subjects.

Enemy? Maybe too strong of a term, granted, but not men to break bread with, there is always an Enemy Within. For sure.

[Bob]

Thank you Walter, and Thank you Bill :)

[WalterBosley]

I have found that there is this end of the spectrum and that end of the spectrum. We are told 'Left' or 'Right'. Their thing dominates the flow of information. There are dozens of things that can be said about that and I've heard them all. We all have. But there is another thing that's out there and it manifests itself to individuals on a private level. Nothing I've heard in the UFO/paranormal community ever really explains it (though many will insist that they know what it is -- and that you should listen to them)(because too many people just want to be right and, more importantly to them, they want to be seen as right). This other thing defies categorization so I don't get into that discussion. I just say that it's out there, no one needs anyone else's guidance or 'wisdom' to find it, and you'll know it when you see it. I have found that it's something which, once you find it, you feel no compelling need to run around sharing it with everyone -- because they can already find it if they just make the honest effort, and no one finds it who does not make the honest effort on their own.

Just something to think about.

[WalterBosley]

Hey folks,

I'll be on The Truth Underground (http://wgso.com/shows/truth-underground/) tonight.

[Foxie Loxie]

Always enjoy listening to your Common Sense approach to everything! :wave:

[onevoice]

I had heard of counter rotation and torsion fields since childhood. And the cone within... interesting. I do think the kind of knowledge related to anti-gravity and the bell technologies was part of the era and many connected to it consciously or not. Why at that time, that way, god knows... but i think it was to be provided to humanity as a whole, in terms of the overall design of human evolution, but it was not provided. This changed our paths towards further development as a human race.

A few years ago David Wilcock had a series on Gaia.com I believe called the "Wisdom Teachings" where he explained the universe is composed of many levels/layers of torsion field. In other words, the torsion field is the basic building blocks of the universe from the smallest divisible part of the universe to the entire universe itself. Here is an interesting image of the human magnetic field shown as a torsion field generated by our heart:
https://baggage-wm.livelink.io/wm.albums/gallery.photos3.walmart.com/galleries-12019ffd6de917aca20e7920169e3908-11879301743.jpg

The above image came from here:
https://www.heartmath.org/category/articles-of-the-heart/#
The central axis of the human magnetic field goes through the spine and all the chakras.

[Chanie]

In your book “Shimmering Light,” you mention that your Dad talked about his encounter with a pale subterranean being that “raised his handheld object, levelling the simple tube” at an air force member who then “suddenly dropped to the ground, as dead as if a switch had been flipped off.” You go on to compare it to other UFO accounts where similar devices were pointed at people, paralyzing them.

This resonated with me. Years ago, I was living in Australia, woke up one night and saw a small being crouched on my bed. I stared at it for a few seconds and then, realized what it was. Just as I did, it raised its arm, pointed something at me and I felt a huge electric jolt hit my body. The next thing I remember is waking up in the morning. I have no memory of what happened after it hit me; it was long before we knew about stun guns.

[WalterBosley]

The similarity with ancient folklore on this is compelling, too. You should research the ancient history of the area where this happened and see what you find.


In your book “Shimmering Light,” you mention that your Dad talked about his encounter with a pale subterranean being that “raised his handheld object, levelling the simple tube” at an air force member who then “suddenly dropped to the ground, as dead as if a switch had been flipped off.” You go on to compare it to other UFO accounts where similar devices were pointed at people, paralyzing them.

This resonated with me. Back in 1976, I was living in Australia, woke up one night and saw a small being crouched on my bed. I stared at it for a few seconds and then, realized what it was. Just as I did, it raised its arm, pointed something at me and I felt a huge electric jolt hit my body. The next thing I remember is waking up in the morning. I have no memory of what happened after it hit me; it was long before we knew about stun guns.[COLOR="re

[Chanie]

I am intrigued by your suggestion and will definitely do that. Thanks!

[WalterBosley]

I'll be taking off for the annual road trip to New Mexico on Wednesday (tomorrow). That means more vids on my YouTube channel chronicling the antics and sights. These trips are an annual geek-out of SSP/Breakaway discussion and speculation in a private forum where we share our latest research and hypotheses not yet discussed publicly. Being a travel nut but having no budget for it in recent years, these road trips help me keep my sanity!

My host and I will be doing a road trip within this road trip to spend a few days with Joseph P. Farrell, and I will also visit remote viewing gurus again. There will be farm fresh eggs and incredibly lean bacon each morning, and much coffee consumed each day. This is the third of these small private gatherings. The first was Joseph and myself with our host and our other friend Marge who came over from Texas. We all went up and had a long lunch with Linda Moulton-Howe one day and visited Roswell (my first time) on another day, and then an astronomical observatory. Last year included Greg Bishop, John Brandenburg, Lyn Buchanan, and myself, our good friend Marge, as well as our host and a local shaman. We visited a NASA museum and a petroglyph site, too. I'm particularly excited this year to be visiting an amazing used book store JPF is taking us to as I always find some gem in those places. Look for more frequent vids on my YouTube while I'm on the trip.

[WalterBosley]

Back from New Mexico.

[The Moss Trooper]

Anything interesting to share from your trip Walter?

[WalterBosley]

Anything interesting to share from your trip Walter?

Had a good visit with Joseph Farrell, and Matt Socha joined us. Also spent some quality productive time with a small group of private investigators who use remote viewing. Since I'm also a licensed PI, this interests me. Had a great discussion with Joseph about my next book and he helped me put a finer point on the concept I'll be exploring and gave me some excellent new leads, so that was quite valuable. Had some burgers, went to our usual Mexican restaurant outside Tularosa, and other good stuff. I also got my hands on two great reference books at a good used book store. Listened to some Widor and Bach, smoked lots of pipe tobacco and a few cigars, contemplated high strangeness. It was a successful trip.

[Sunny-side-up]

Thanks for this post Bill great stuff.

Hello Walter Bosley and WoW so much new and tantalising info to read/watch and process, thanks ;)

This OP is already on it's second page 0.o
Well back to the first vid for me.

[Sunny-side-up]

That first vid is quite amazing, gratz for such well investigated dot connecting.

Very, very interesting info pertaining to the flying craft and the possible structure surrounding there production/finance the science of etc.

It is quite a history changing vid.

Butch and the sundance to me now, in real live seem to be more like the TV characters from this great entertaining show.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058855/

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Two Secret Service Agents, equipped with a wide array of gizmos, work for the government in the Old West.

But real life Butch and the sundance where not working for the government, they where working for a breakaway.

Your vid really dose connect dots that make a very, very strong case for the secrete breakaway world of hidden technology and control.

[Sunny-side-up]

These people of the breakaway civilisation/s are so ahead of the game it's just mind boggling how we have been kept dumb down in a weak decaying reality, I say decaying because if we also had some of that hidden tech our would could now be truly magnificent and healthy.
They probably made the 'Wild,Wild west' TV show as an insider joke come money maker lol.

Serious question:

What do you think the structure of their world is run like?
What is their day to day life like and how is it run.
I'm trying to say, what would life be like in their world?
How far could they have gone?

[Sunny-side-up]

After watching your first posted vid, I wen't off and did some random surfing on the web and came straight to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0rQvgQMkHk

The device/craft/engine visually reminded me of the craft mentioned in your vid.
I don't know of the credibility of the above vid but quite synchronistic.

[WalterBosley]

I remember when I first saw this many years ago, and I was quite intrigued! However, it was explained sufficiently, which the video chooses to gloss over for the more sensationalist possibility. I would like to see the provenance of the markings alleged to be on the thing. I know I sound like a party pooper, but it's important to not just take the claim at face value. Most good researchers present their reference sources or they identify clearly when they are speculating. The video clearly shows the photos of the device taken with a model for scale. If there is anything intriguing about these things it's what exactly they're used for, but I recall learning that it wasn't what it's often presented to be. Ultimately, I'm only 80% certain that it's something 'mundane' so there is margin for something 'other'. As regards the image of the figure the video kept going to, the one that looked like a 'being'. If you examine the image closely, you'll see that it's a man wearing a construction helmet with some sort of logo or goggles that could be mistaken for eyes. He is looking down as he walks, that's why we see the top of the hat, not his face.


After watching your first posted vid, I wen't off and did some random surfing on the web and came straight to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0rQvgQMkHk

The device/craft/engine visually reminded me of the craft mentioned in your vid.
I don't know of the credibility of the above vid but quite synchronistic.

[WalterBosley]

The breakaway folks would not have some hidden world akin to a Bond villain or that sci-fi movie about the elites who live in the Niven ring. Essentially they live like our known civilization, they just possess certain technologies a bit ahead of ours, or perpendicular to some of it. In my hypothesis, one breakaway lives among us, they simply have access to things we don't. The other probably lives mostly among us, too, but they keep their thing secret. If the tech is not that far -- or is perpendicular and actually looks like ours -- we wouldn't know it. My opinion is that their most noticeably advanced tech would be space travel technology and that's up in space, not down here for us to constantly run into. Them going back and forth to it could explain many UFO sightings. The very farthest they could have gone, in my opinion, would be a permanent presence on the Moon, maybe Mars. They might also possess medical tech beyond/outside what we know, likely enhancements on known tech. But for the most part, you're talking about a 'civilization' that operates more like a private club than a completely different civilization.


These people of the breakaway civilisation/s are so ahead of the game it's just mind boggling how we have been kept dumb down in a weak decaying reality, I say decaying because if we also had some of that hidden tech our would could now be truly magnificent and healthy.
They probably made the 'Wild,Wild west' TV show as an insider joke come money maker lol.

Serious question:

What do you think the structure of their world is run like?
What is their day to day life like and how is it run.
I'm trying to say, what would life be like in their world?
How far could they have gone?

[Sunny-side-up]

My opinion is that their most noticeably advanced tech would be space travel technology and that's up in space, not down here for us to constantly run into. Them going back and forth to it could explain many UFO sightings. The very farthest they could have gone, in my opinion, would be a permanent presence on the Moon, maybe Mars. They might also possess medical tech beyond/outside what we know, likely enhancements on known tech. But for the most part, you're talking about a 'civilization' that operates more like a private club than a completely different civilization.

Yes walter in my view at lest the above quote of yours.
Land bases as in Southern America and the more secrete Antarctica strong hold, so as to keep contact with Earth and us backward humans, who they probably milk.
I do believe so much more though.

[Foxie Loxie]

I do remember a couple of the whistleblowers saying they would enter an office building, go to a certain room or elevator-type-thing & emerge at their destination; be it Mars or Pine Gap! :unsure: It is impossible for us "common folk" to really comprehend what has been going on for years; especially since, thanks to Walter, we know things were happening even in the late 1800's! :high5:

[The Moss Trooper]

The breakaway folks would not have some hidden world akin to a Bond villain or that sci-fi movie about the elites who live in the Niven ring. Essentially they live like our known civilization, they just possess certain technologies a bit ahead of ours, or perpendicular to some of it. In my hypothesis, one breakaway lives among us, they simply have access to things we don't. The other probably lives mostly among us, too, but they keep their thing secret. If the tech is not that far -- or is perpendicular and actually looks like ours -- we wouldn't know it. My opinion is that their most noticeably advanced tech would be space travel technology and that's up in space, not down here for us to constantly run into. Them going back and forth to it could explain many UFO sightings. The very farthest they could have gone, in my opinion, would be a permanent presence on the Moon, maybe Mars. They might also possess medical tech beyond/outside what we know, likely enhancements on known tech. But for the most part, you're talking about a 'civilization' that operates more like a private club than a completely different civilisation.


Yep. You notice how very rare it is for members of the world's royal families, or high ranking politicians, to suffer from cancer? Whilst for us mere mortals it is said it will effect 1 in 2, or 50% of the Western population.

[Sunny-side-up]

The breakaway folks would not have some hidden world akin to a Bond villain or that sci-fi movie about the elites who live in the Niven ring. Essentially they live like our known civilization, they just possess certain technologies a bit ahead of ours, or perpendicular to some of it. In my hypothesis, one breakaway lives among us, they simply have access to things we don't. The other probably lives mostly among us, too, but they keep their thing secret. If the tech is not that far -- or is perpendicular and actually looks like ours -- we wouldn't know it. My opinion is that their most noticeably advanced tech would be space travel technology and that's up in space, not down here for us to constantly run into. Them going back and forth to it could explain many UFO sightings. The very farthest they could have gone, in my opinion, would be a permanent presence on the Moon, maybe Mars. They might also possess medical tech beyond/outside what we know, likely enhancements on known tech. But for the most part, you're talking about a 'civilization' that operates more like a private club than a completely different civilisation.


Yep. You notice how very rare it is for members of the world's royal families, or high ranking politicians, to suffer from cancer? Whilst for us mere mortals it is said it will effect 1 in 2, or 50% of the Western population.

Yes and if we believe all we see and hear from whistle blowers like W Tompkins they can switch out souls anyway, put you into a new body.

Sorry if going deep there, but this is a well discussed subject that has been posted here in the near past, found here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89312-PASSED-aged-94-William--Bill--Tompkins-ET-and-Nazi-UFOs-Whistleblower&highlight=Tompkins

[WalterBosley]

Be cautious with what the 'whistleblowers' say.


I do remember a couple of the whistleblowers saying they would enter an office building, go to a certain room or elevator-type-thing & emerge at their destination; be it Mars or Pine Gap! :unsure: It is impossible for us "common folk" to really comprehend what has been going on for years; especially since, thanks to Walter, we know things were happening even in the late 1800's! :high5:

¤=[Post Update]=¤

I put almost zero credibility to Tompkins, rest his soul.




The breakaway folks would not have some hidden world akin to a Bond villain or that sci-fi movie about the elites who live in the Niven ring. Essentially they live like our known civilization, they just possess certain technologies a bit ahead of ours, or perpendicular to some of it. In my hypothesis, one breakaway lives among us, they simply have access to things we don't. The other probably lives mostly among us, too, but they keep their thing secret. If the tech is not that far -- or is perpendicular and actually looks like ours -- we wouldn't know it. My opinion is that their most noticeably advanced tech would be space travel technology and that's up in space, not down here for us to constantly run into. Them going back and forth to it could explain many UFO sightings. The very farthest they could have gone, in my opinion, would be a permanent presence on the Moon, maybe Mars. They might also possess medical tech beyond/outside what we know, likely enhancements on known tech. But for the most part, you're talking about a 'civilization' that operates more like a private club than a completely different civilisation.


Yep. You notice how very rare it is for members of the world's royal families, or high ranking politicians, to suffer from cancer? Whilst for us mere mortals it is said it will effect 1 in 2, or 50% of the Western population.

Yes and if we believe all we see and hear from whistle blowers like W Tompkins they can switch out souls anyway, put you into a new body.

Sorry if going deep there, but this is a well discussed subject that has been posted here in the near past, found here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89312-PASSED-aged-94-William--Bill--Tompkins-ET-and-Nazi-UFOs-Whistleblower&highlight=Tompkins

[Sunny-side-up]

And the 'Jump Chair' that Foxie Loxie was hinting at?
What are your views/info on that tech?
I know that going way backl to the 20's, 30's there where calculations of 'Pulsed Electricity' that showed promise.
Even now a days E, Dolard surmise it could be done, he even joked that he might tinker with it him self.

[WalterBosley]

Unfortunately, we usually find these stories are just that. If there is such a thing, none of us will hear about it through the sources we usually hear these stories. I'm not trying to be a debunking curmudgeon, I simply advocate a decent attempt at provenance to some degree, as regards sources. Foxie knows what I mean, I'm not slamming her (or you).


And the 'Jump Chair' that Foxie Loxie was hinting at?
What are your views/info on that tech?
I know that going way backl to the 20's, 30's there where calculations of 'Pulsed Electricity' that showed promise.
Even now a days E, Dolard surmise it could be done, he even joked that he might tinker with it him self.

[Sunny-side-up]

Yes Walter, I fully respect your reply and did not take it personally or thought of you as a debunking curmudgeon.
If I ask a question it is to get another persons point of view.
Thank you for being here in Avalon Walter you are a very well credentialed source of info, it helps add perspective to this crazy tangled mess (but very interesting mess)
This crazy story, history has developed one subject/aspect lending credit to the next, on and on.

Amongst it are great hidden truths, truths that have been purposefully and or accidentally buried, I cannot throw any of it out with the bathwater just yet.

Hopefully one day I will know what is fact in this story or at least an amount of creditable, substantiated info that leaves me with some sanity ;)

Hope the above makes some sense.

Alan

[WalterBosley]

Hey folks, here's an update on 2018 events where I am scheduled to give a presentation:

MAY: Esotericon, Halifax, Nova Scotia

AUGUST: 5D Event, Los Angeles

I plan to be wandering around at the AlienCon in Pasadena this summer. Also, Olav Phillips and I are putting together a small event for later in the year, more to follow on that. As anything else comes up, I'll announce the addition in this thread.

[RunningDeer]

Walter Bosley is on live stream with Dark Journalist. Note: after the steam, it'll turn into a video.


DARK JOURNALIST BLUE GEMINI X UFO RECON & PINE GAP AREA 51 COVER UP!
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DarkJournalist
Started streaming 2 hours ago
SUBSCRIBED 49K

DARK JOURNALIST X BROADCAST III - BLUE GEMINI X PINE GAP UFO
In this Special episode Dark Journalist goes deeper than ever before on the secret code messaging of 'X' as a descriptor of Exotic UFO Technology moving through various Departments of Federal Agencies.

He will look specifically at the Pine Gap Listening Station and Experimental Aircraft Base known as Australia's Area 51 and the Early UFO Recon Project known as 'Blue Gemini' which was run by Ex-Nazi Rocket Scientist Werner Von Braun and was shut down by President John F Kennedy in a power struggle with the Deep State.

He will be joined by Secret Space Author Walter Bosley who pioneered research into the NYMZA Secret Society that developed early Secret Advanced Airships in Germany and the US.

[WalterBosley]

Hey folks,

My Empire of the Wheel trilogy has been optioned to be developed as a TV series! I will share more details as they happen.

Walter

[WalterBosley]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR-2SiTzo2E

[Jean-Marie]

Congratulations Walter! That is an awesome opportunity! Looking forward to seeing the TV series, please keep us updated!

-jean-marie

[Foxie Loxie]

WOW!! Indeed! :star::star: To see one's work come to fruition in this manner must be very rewarding! :highfive: I am still intrigued by the Etta Place connection! Keep us informed!

[WalterBosley]

I was on Dark Journalist last Friday...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIqfwD7NCko&t=574s

[WalterBosley]

I will be on Dark Journalist Friday, Oct 19, to discuss the latest desperate BS by Corey Goode in which he has managed to gain a trademark on the phrases 'Secret Space Program' and SSP.

I do NOT have a high opinion of this, as you might imagine.

[Satori]

I will be on Dark Journalist Friday, Oct 19, to discuss the latest desperate BS by Corey Goode in which he has managed to gain a trademark on the phrases 'Secret Space Program' and SSP.

I do NOT have a high opinion of this, as you might imagine.

Do you know whether CG has gained the trademark rights or whether he has only applied for the trademark rights?

I'm no expert, but I find it improbable that he has been granted trademark rights to "SSP" or "Secret Space Program." Just Google "SSP" and many organizations pop up in which the that abbreviation or acronym is and has been in use for a long time. E.g. Society for Scholarly Publishing, Summer Science Program and Sierra Service Project.

I understand he also seeks trademark rights to "20&Back". I believe one cannot trademark "20" "&" "Back" but perhaps "20&Back" can be trademarked, provided that term is one's original idea and work product, not in the public domain, and provided it is associated with a commercial product.

[WalterBosley]

My latest understanding is that he has either applied and its pending, or he secured it, the acronym 'SSP' relative to 'secret space program'. I will know more tomorrow before the show. But here's the point: That he's trying to secure these terms for his use speaks to his motives. It is also a bad precedent. If we're silent now, someone will start securing common terminology under personal ownership and rights. This invites huge problems for the field and I will elaborate on the show Friday.

[Joe from the Carolinas]

My latest understanding is that he has either applied and its pending, or he secured it, the acronym 'SSP' relative to 'secret space program'. I will know more tomorrow before the show. But here's the point: That he's trying to secure these terms for his use speaks to his motives. It is also a bad precedent. If we're silent now, someone will start securing common terminology under personal ownership and rights. This invites huge problems for the field and I will elaborate on the show Friday.

Looking forward to it Walter! I completely agree. A slippery slope is just over the horizon if we don’t hit the emergency break.

[RunningDeer]

My latest understanding is that he has either applied and its pending, or he secured it, the acronym 'SSP' relative to 'secret space program'. I will know more tomorrow before the show. But here's the point: That he's trying to secure these terms for his use speaks to his motives. It is also a bad precedent. If we're silent now, someone will start securing common terminology under personal ownership and rights. This invites huge problems for the field and I will elaborate on the show Friday.

This post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1251238&viewfull=1#post1251238) where Corey signed his Facebook message on September 26th as: Corey Goode
#20andback (TM) #SSP (TM) and the posts that follow may add or confirm some of what you’re planning to discuss this evening.

Kudos for Andrew_K's find here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode&p=1251275&viewfull=1#post1251275).

[Did You See Them]

Well CG isn't getting www.20andback.co.uk to spread his bull this side of the pond (UK) - copyrite or not !
Saying that I don't think he's interested in "spreading the word" of his blue chicken friends outside the US - Keeping it "local" for home grown $$$'s on the circuit there.
I'm sure if I dug hard enough into the posts I made on the Open Minds forum back in 2008 I'd find references I made to the "Sphere Beings" (as seen in the pics I took back then in Jan 2008 -see my avatar ).
Last thing I would have thought about would be trade marking words or phrases - saying that I am more interested in getting to the bottom of what we saw than making money !

Looking forward to the show Walter.

[Bill Ryan]

My latest understanding is that he has either applied and its pending, or he secured it, the acronym 'SSP' relative to 'secret space program'. I will know more tomorrow before the show. But here's the point: That he's trying to secure these terms for his use speaks to his motives. It is also a bad precedent. If we're silent now, someone will start securing common terminology under personal ownership and rights. This invites huge problems for the field and I will elaborate on the show Friday.

Walter, in case this might possibly be helpful or important: (An interesting tidbit to share on the show, maybe)

Veteran researcher William (Bill) Hamilton is the earliest I've found to use the term 'Secret Space Program', 3 times — if I counted right — in his 1991 (1991, I'll repeat that! :) ) book Cosmic Top Secret.


http://projectavalon.net/William_Hamilton_Cosmic_Top_Secret.pdf


http://projectavalon.net/William_Hamilton_Cosmic_Top_Secret.pdf

[ichingcarpenter]

Walter .... look forward to your discussion with DJ. I loved Joe's new meme on Corey G ..he's moved from being the insider's insider to be the gatekeeper's gatekeeper now.



The original gatekeeper in Ghostbusters



https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2014-05/enhanced/webdr08/13/13/anigif_enhanced-4602-1400000982-17.gif

[onawah]

I am really happy to see an Avalon member being featured on Dark Journalist's X series.
That show has been a goldmine of information, and has not been getting nearly enough attention on the forum, imho. Thanks for bringing it more to the forefront here on Avalon, Walter.

[RunningDeer]

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/director.gif Live in 35…Daniel Liszt @ 7PM ET AND Walter Bosley @ 8:30 PM ET/ 5:30 PM PT.

Note: after the steam, it'll turn into a video.


DARK JOURNALIST SPECIAL: SECRET SPACE PROGRAM CIA DISCLOSURE CULT!

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DarkJournalist
Scheduled for Oct 19, 2018

DARK JOURNALIST SPECIAL REPORT: SECRET SPACE PROGRAM INC. LIVESTREAM FRIDAY OCTOBER 19th @7PM ET!

[WalterBosley]

I'm not on until 530 PST

[ichingcarpenter]

Boy a lot of great ones in the live chat, Dolan, Joe from C, Farrell, grovie bean, cliff high and more.

live chat hit 1700 people at one time.

Wonderful show Walter ... I enjoyed your discussion with dark journalist.

[RunningDeer]

SSP ™ debate challenge. Oh yes! http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/yes.gif

Great show!
https://i.imgur.com/AORCeFW.gif

[Bill Ryan]

:bump:

Fantastic show. HIGHLY recommended.

[Kristin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wRhONQq5J0

Just wanted to BUMP this incredible report featuring Walter Bosley, Dark Journalist with mentions of Avalon, Bill Ryan, Joe from the Carolina's and more on Corey Goode and his intent to usurp the "SSP" acronym from the voices of reason though a trade mark conspiracy. Wow, of all the moves this one is going to stink to high heaven. Thanks Corey for being yourself so unconditionally. You make it easy for the rest of us to question your motives and sanity.

[Retief]

Finally got time to see this and I just want to say great job to Walter and DJ.

[onawah]

That surely may have marked the turning point in the whole ridiculous Blue Chicken debacle.

[WalterBosley]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8a3tyAXj3Y&fbclid=IwAR3qSdMCxbVtzM0EBRLsDsHpNu_cMO635fi7uyyB3 WfrqJ-Ir7ihH0HAzgo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8a3tyAXj3Y&fbclid=IwAR3qSdMCxbVtzM0EBRLsDsHpNu_cMO635fi7uyyB3 WfrqJ-Ir7ihH0HAzgo)

[RunningDeer]

I’ve listened to about four of CW Chanter’s videos on the CG ™ topic, including last evening with GroovieBean (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?32291-GroovieBean), who's a member here. I had no idea of how much she was stalked and harassed by the CG & followers. Daniel Liszt popped in with a question for CW.


Back From The Silence Of The Corey Cult W/GroovieBean
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[RaiseMachine]

My latest understanding is that he has either applied and its pending, or he secured it, the acronym 'SSP' relative to 'secret space program'. I will know more tomorrow before the show. But here's the point: That he's trying to secure these terms for his use speaks to his motives. It is also a bad precedent. If we're silent now, someone will start securing common terminology under personal ownership and rights. This invites huge problems for the field and I will elaborate on the show Friday.

Walter, in case this might possibly be helpful or important: (An interesting tidbit to share on the show, maybe)

Veteran researcher William (Bill) Hamilton is the earliest I've found to use the term 'Secret Space Program', 3 times — if I counted right — in his 1991 (1991, I'll repeat that! :) ) book Cosmic Top Secret.

Hi Bill & Walter,

Following up on your find above, I did a little digging of my own and found these:

Australia's Secret Space Programs by Desmond Ball
Australian National University, Strategic and Defence Studies Centre (1988)
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61gdQz9zbDL._SX363_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Australias-Secret-Space-Programs-Desmond/dp/0731503449
Pretty rare and expensive!

San Diego Magazine, Volume 39
San Diego Magazine Publishing Company, 1987
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=39356&d=1540685276
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=FwMkAQAAIAAJ&q=%22secret+space+program%22&dq=%22secret+space+program%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiH94Wb66feAhVTT8AKHfMMBa04ggEQ6AEIKTAA

Editorials on File, Volume 15, Part 2
Facts on File, Incorporated, 1984
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=39355&d=1540684500
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=TcpAAQAAIAAJ&q=%22secret+space+program%22&dq=%22secret+space+program%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiMydS55afeAhXlLcAKHechBUQ4WhDoAQhHMAY

So we can easily see that the term goes back to at least the 80s. :thumbsup:

[WalterBosley]

Hey folks!

Walter Bosley Channel on YouTube
Sundays at 5:30pm PST

20 Jan: Aspects of the novel 'I Will See You In Time'
27 Jan: Origin
3 Feb: Shimmering Light
10 Feb: Real life influences behind my pulps
17 Feb: Investigating the Empire of the Wheel
24 Feb: Secret Missions 4(Tentative)

You're welcome to drop in!

[Billy]

Thank you for this interview with DJ Walter. I enjoyed it.

4Up1ENYRrR0

Here is a song that you can listen to while you are writing your new book. From the album "Book of invasions" by the Irish band Horslips. From 1976. ;)

tfQ-FiiQDMo

Lyrics.
We were wise, oh so wise
Not given to lies or deceit
We juggled secrets at our fingertips
Wore diamonds at our feet
We showed you ways to play old airs
We said we could be friends
But when our backs were turned
You got us in the end.

We're the mystery of the lake
When the water's still
We're the laughter in the twilight
You can hear behind the hill
We'll stay around to watch you laugh
Destroy yourselves for fun.

But you won't see us
We've grown sideways to the sun

[WalterBosley]

I'll be posting my upcoming YouTube schedule topics later today.

[WalterBosley]

And I forgot to get back to posting the YouTube topic schedule, lol.

This Sunday, 24 Feb, will be something about secret space program subject. That's 5:30pm PST, as always.

I've tentatively scheduled 3 March for discussion of my newly released book, The Esoteric Napoleon, but I may bump that to the next week to give more viewers time to receive and read most if not all of the book before discussing it again.

[WalterBosley]

Plan change: I may possibly be in Laughlin during UFO Megacon in March. If I go, it looks like I'll be there the second weekend. I house-sit for friend and author Scott DeHart when he and his wife travel, so I'll be in Crestline during my original dates. Which means I'll have lunch with Tessa Dick while up there.

If I go to Laughlin, I'll confirm it here should anyone be around there.

[WalterBosley]

Upcoming YouTube schedule - Always 5:30pm PST
17 March: Rational Origin of the SSP; Napoleon questions
24 March: EOTW The Nameless Ones: Lovecraft and Rosasco

[norman]

Walter, I'm wondering if you can shed a little light on something that's niggling me about the Kennedy assassination story and the US USSR relationship.

I've heard several researchers say that Kennedy was popped because he was about to give away the country's biggest secrets. Even Joseph Farrell puts it very close to the top of his list of probabilities.

So, how much truth is there in the other well circulated story that the Soviets and the US had a joint project on the moon, even before Kennedy announced the Apollo project, never mind the order to gather ET intel to share with the soviets ?

It's a mucky issue that doesn't make enough sense for me, unless it can be cleared up with specific definitions of what Kennedy wanted to share and what the secret gang didn't. Or, was there no such thing as a joint project on the moon at all?

Got any insights ?

[WalterBosley]

My understanding is that Kennedy was thinking about a joint project and the very idea is what pissed off the mil-industrial complex. Farrell's research into this is deeper than anything I've done so he's a better source. DJ has looked into it, too. Just to name those two, I'm sure there are others.


Walter, I'm wondering if you can shed a little light on something that's niggling me about the Kennedy assassination story and the US USSR relationship.

I've heard several researchers say that Kennedy was popped because he was about to give away the country's biggest secrets. Even Joseph Farrell puts it very close to the top of his list of probabilities.

So, how much truth is there in the other well circulated story that the Soviets and the US had a joint project on the moon, even before Kennedy announced the Apollo project, never mind the order to gather ET intel to share with the soviets ?

It's a mucky issue that doesn't make enough sense for me, unless it can be cleared up with specific definitions of what Kennedy wanted to share and what the secret gang didn't. Or, was there no such thing as a joint project on the moon at all?

Got any insights ?

[WalterBosley]

Upcoming topics on The Walter Bosley Channel, Sundays at 5:30(ish) at YouTube:

14 April 19: Book Tab Grab Bag
21 April 19: Experiences with Hauntings
5 May 19: Esoteric Napoleon
12 May 19: Books I Have Read While Traveling
19 May 19: Ambrose Bierce & Clark Ashton Smith

[RaiseMachine]

Dear Walter,

This is an open letter to you concerning the YT ****up on your "26 May 19" stream earlier.

I'd been interacting with Scruples4444 so I know - for a fact - that my earlier posts were being seen and responded to.
When it came to Q's I was asking about your upcoming TV series. For some god damn reason my post wouldn't show even though I posted it four times in caps as you do. I assumed (my mistake) that you had ignored it on purpose. I now know that not to be the case. I apologise for this and for the untoward interruption to your stream that was not in my control as you can now see.

I'm not a troll and am not a TTSA/DW/CG/Blue Chicken Cult fanboy. I hate them as much as you do; for the same reasons.
I don't require an apology for your accusatory outburst, which in retrospect, can be seen to be the correct response to YT being a ****wit with that particular posted Q. I've ignored other chat participants accusations of being trollish as they were just following your lead.

To prove this I have taken screenshots of the live chat to show that I had *indeed* posted this Q MULTIPLE times.
https://postimg.cc/gallery/1bt7x54so
So you can see that my posts were going through but suddenly not seen by you(*). Mod interference?

Here's what I was *trying* to ask you:
Do you know what format the tv series will be?
Will it be a few long episodes - mini films - or a series of multiple episodes like project bluebook for example?

I hope this clarifies the situation and respectfully and humbly request that you unblock me from your future streams (I have taken part before now) and instruct your mods accordingly.

Kind Regards
Steve (UK)

P.S. You do a brilliant English accent

(*) This is a print downloaded from my Google account showing ALL the msgs I posted on this stream
Sent at 2019-05-27 00:47:05 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
Hi Walter, Steve from UK
Sent at 2019-05-27 00:49:50 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
@C.W. Chanter Sup Ben! Good vids lately
Sent at 2019-05-27 00:53:00 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
Down in one Walter! Down in one!
Sent at 2019-05-27 00:54:03 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
Jay has been a whistleblower of sorts - good to hear
Sent at 2019-05-27 00:56:11 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
@C.W. Chanter You'll have to add animal handlers to the CWSSPWBS syllabus
Sent at 2019-05-27 00:59:52 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
Tiki's trying to take off!
Sent at 2019-05-27 01:02:32 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
"I don't understand how many legitimate people in the community don't stand up and call this stuff out.
Sent at 2019-05-27 01:02:35 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
All it serves to do is to undermine the open-mindedness of people which is literally going to work against everyone painting them with the same brush." (Daniel James)
Sent at 2019-05-27 01:04:25 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
Should one's agent have a close relationship with marketing?
Sent at 2019-05-27 01:11:58 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
Bosley merch for the win! lol
Sent at 2019-05-27 01:15:56 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
Has Zondo ever been proven to have been ex-CIA - I can't see it myself, but could be wrong...
Sent at 2019-05-27 01:17:21 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
@Tim Houston His claim - but is probably more of a civvy contractor now as WB has mentioned before
Sent at 2019-05-27 01:21:05 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
Smoke enema? Oh my....
Sent at 2019-05-27 01:27:37 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
Not as many fanboys/girls as Wilcock but TTSA does have it's zealots
Sent at 2019-05-27 01:28:55 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
I have a b/w photo of the wooden mock-up of the F117a in 1974
Sent at 2019-05-27 01:35:08 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
Kinda like a musician/composer; write what you feel/in your heart. Not to please anyone but yourself
Sent at 2019-05-27 01:37:07 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
@**say Hello Goodbye TY my friend
Sent at 2019-05-27 01:42:05 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
@Scruples4444 Didn't he also mention Navy Space Command at some point?
Sent at 2019-05-27 01:43:08 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
@Scruples4444 Thought so, ty for confirmation
Sent at 2019-05-27 01:44:35 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
@Scruples4444 Agreed
Sent at 2019-05-27 02:01:28 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
@Scruples4444 Hahaha nice!

[Here's where my msgs seem to "disappear"]

Sent at 2019-05-27 02:02:55 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT FORMAT THE TV SERIES WILL BE? FEW LONG EPISODES - MINI FILMS - OR SERIES OF MULTIPLE EPISODES LIKE PROJECT BLUEBOOK FOR EXAMPLE
Sent at 2019-05-27 02:11:59 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT FORMAT THE TV SERIES WILL BE? FEW LONG EPISODES - MINI FILMS - OR SERIES OF MULTIPLE EPISODES LIKE PROJECT BLUEBOOK FOR EXAMPLE
Sent at 2019-05-27 02:18:19 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
DID YOU NOT WANT TO ANSWER MY Q ON YOUR TV SERIES? THAT'S OK
Sent at 2019-05-27 02:19:26 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
@Scruples4444 hE MISSED IT TWICE - IT'S OK
Sent at 2019-05-27 02:20:51 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT FORMAT THE TV SERIES WILL BE? FEW LONG EPISODES - MINI FILMS - OR SERIES OF MULTIPLE EPISODES LIKE PROJECT BLUEBOOK FOR EXAMPLE
Sent at 2019-05-27 02:24:16 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT FORMAT THE TV SERIES WILL BE? FEW LONG EPISODES - MINI FILMS - OR SERIES OF MULTIPLE EPISODES LIKE PROJECT BLUEBOOK FOR EXAMPLE
Sent at 2019-05-27 02:26:20 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
WHY WON'T YOU ANSWER MY Q ON YOUR TV SERIES - YOU'VE MISSED IT 4 TIMES....
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DO YOU KNOW WHAT FORMAT THE TV SERIES WILL BE? FEW LONG EPISODES - MINI FILMS - OR SERIES OF MULTIPLE EPISODES LIKE PROJECT BLUEBOOK FOR EXAMPLE
Sent at 2019-05-27 02:28:04 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
I CAN SEE IT POSTED
Sent at 2019-05-27 02:28:32 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
IT'S WELL UNDER THE LIMIT
Sent at 2019-05-27 02:29:17 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
VERY STRANGE.... SOME CAN SEE IT SOME CAN'T
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Sent at 2019-05-27 02:29:40 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
YES FOLLOWED INSTRUCTIONS EVERY TIME
Sent at 2019-05-27 02:29:57 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
6 TIMES GOD DAMN
Sent at 2019-05-27 02:30:35 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
6 TIMES I'VE ASKED
Sent at 2019-05-27 02:30:40 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
WHAT IS GOING ON??????
Sent at 2019-05-27 02:30:53 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT FORMAT THE TV SERIES WILL BE? FEW LONG EPISODES - MINI FILMS - OR SERIES OF MULTIPLE EPISODES LIKE PROJECT BLUEBOOK FOR EXAMPLE
Sent at 2019-05-27 02:31:14 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
NOT TROLLING ffs
Sent at 2019-05-27 02:31:26 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
POSTED IT A MIN AGO
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Sent at 2019-05-27 02:33:20 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
THE POST IS UNDER 200 OTHERWISE YOU CAN'T POST I KOW WHAT I'M DOING PEOPLE
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DO YOU KNOW WHAT FORMAT THE TV SERIES WILL BE? FEW LONG EPISODES - MINI FILMS - OR SERIES OF MULTIPLE EPISODES LIKE PROJECT BLUEBOOK FOR EXAMPLE
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DO YOU KNOW WHAT FORMAT THE TV SERIES WILL BE? FEW LONG EPISODES - MINI FILMS - OR SERIES OF MULTIPLE EPISODES LIKE PROJECT BLUEBOOK FOR EXAMPLE
Sent at 2019-05-27 02:34:24 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
i HAVE ASKED IT OVER 6 TIMES

[onawah]

This interview with Walter about Napoleon, Operation Paperclip and more is very interesting
The Esoteric Napoleon with Walter Bosley - May 4, 2019
Where Did the Road Go?

"Seriah is joined again by Walter Bosley, who speaks about his latest Secret Missions book, The Esoteric Napoleon. They discuss the character assassination that has taken place since his defeat, what he may have REALLY been looking for in Malta, and in Egypt, what may have happened inside the Great Pyramid, and much more...
BP21_eF9mJA

[Flash]

Hi Walter

I am listening to the video above on Napoleon. For some strange reasons, this research of yours interest me.

If the following can be of help, there was a businessman in Montreal who was nuts about Napoleon. If you would have seen the hall of his business place, full of Napoleon stuff.

His name was (he is deceased) Ben weider. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Weider

He has done extensive research on Napoleon, poured the necessary money and it may be a very good read, to have his books. I have not read them but I met the man. He was passionate about Napoleon, in awe.

So, hopefully I am not dragging you in the wrong direction

[WalterBosley]

Raise Machine,

Holy crap! I am sorry that turned into a misunderstanding!!
From my end it was not showing up and it honestly looked like a trolling. Mea Culpa for my ire!

DO YOU KNOW WHAT FORMAT THE TV SERIES WILL BE? FEW LONG EPISODES - MINI FILMS - OR SERIES OF MULTIPLE EPISODES LIKE PROJECT BLUEBOOK FOR EXAMP

If you're asking about the 'Unidentified' series, I don't know exactly. I'm guessing it will be somewhere between UFO Hunters and the Oak Island thing where Big Lulu will look at various UFO cases or elements of a case and they'll string the thread of investigation across multiple episodes for that 'personal drama feeling'.

AGAIN: Sorry about the confusion!! I will address this on my very next video. And you're welcome to be in the live chat whenever you want.

Walter (grouchy asshole)

[WalterBosley]

Holy crap! I am sorry that turned into a misunderstanding!!
From my end it was not showing up and it honestly looked like a trolling. Mea Culpa for my ire!

DO YOU KNOW WHAT FORMAT THE TV SERIES WILL BE? FEW LONG EPISODES - MINI FILMS - OR SERIES OF MULTIPLE EPISODES LIKE PROJECT BLUEBOOK FOR EXAMP

If you're asking about the 'Unidentified' series, I don't know exactly. I'm guessing it will be somewhere between UFO Hunters and the Oak Island thing where Big Lulu will look at various UFO cases or elements of a case and they'll string the thread of investigation across multiple episodes for that 'personal drama feeling'.

AGAIN: Sorry about the confusion!! I will address this on my very next video. And you're welcome to be in the live chat whenever you want.

Walter


Dear Walter,

This is an open letter to you concerning the YT ****up on your "26 May 19" stream earlier.

I'd been interacting with Scruples4444 so I know - for a fact - that my earlier posts were being seen and responded to.
When it came to Q's I was asking about your upcoming TV series. For some god damn reason my post wouldn't show even though I posted it four times in caps as you do. I assumed (my mistake) that you had ignored it on purpose. I now know that not to be the case. I apologise for this and for the untoward interruption to your stream that was not in my control as you can now see.

I'm not a troll and am not a TTSA/DW/CG/Blue Chicken Cult fanboy. I hate them as much as you do; for the same reasons.
I don't require an apology for your accusatory outburst, which in retrospect, can be seen to be the correct response to YT being a ****wit with that particular posted Q. I've ignored other chat participants accusations of being trollish as they were just following your lead.

To prove this I have taken screenshots of the live chat to show that I had *indeed* posted this Q MULTIPLE times.
https://postimg.cc/gallery/1bt7x54so
So you can see that my posts were going through but suddenly not seen by you(*). Mod interference?

Here's what I was *trying* to ask you:
Do you know what format the tv series will be?
Will it be a few long episodes - mini films - or a series of multiple episodes like project bluebook for example?

I hope this clarifies the situation and respectfully and humbly request that you unblock me from your future streams (I have taken part before now) and instruct your mods accordingly.

Kind Regards
Steve (UK)

P.S. You do a brilliant English accent

(*) This is a print downloaded from my Google account showing ALL the msgs I posted on this stream
Sent at 2019-05-27 00:47:05 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
Hi Walter, Steve from UK
Sent at 2019-05-27 00:49:50 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
@C.W. Chanter Sup Ben! Good vids lately
Sent at 2019-05-27 00:53:00 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
Down in one Walter! Down in one!
Sent at 2019-05-27 00:54:03 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
Jay has been a whistleblower of sorts - good to hear
Sent at 2019-05-27 00:56:11 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
@C.W. Chanter You'll have to add animal handlers to the CWSSPWBS syllabus
Sent at 2019-05-27 00:59:52 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
Tiki's trying to take off!
Sent at 2019-05-27 01:02:32 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
"I don't understand how many legitimate people in the community don't stand up and call this stuff out.
Sent at 2019-05-27 01:02:35 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
All it serves to do is to undermine the open-mindedness of people which is literally going to work against everyone painting them with the same brush." (Daniel James)
Sent at 2019-05-27 01:04:25 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
Should one's agent have a close relationship with marketing?
Sent at 2019-05-27 01:11:58 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
Bosley merch for the win! lol
Sent at 2019-05-27 01:15:56 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
Has Zondo ever been proven to have been ex-CIA - I can't see it myself, but could be wrong...
Sent at 2019-05-27 01:17:21 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
@Tim Houston His claim - but is probably more of a civvy contractor now as WB has mentioned before
Sent at 2019-05-27 01:21:05 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
Smoke enema? Oh my....
Sent at 2019-05-27 01:27:37 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
Not as many fanboys/girls as Wilcock but TTSA does have it's zealots
Sent at 2019-05-27 01:28:55 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
I have a b/w photo of the wooden mock-up of the F117a in 1974
Sent at 2019-05-27 01:35:08 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
Kinda like a musician/composer; write what you feel/in your heart. Not to please anyone but yourself
Sent at 2019-05-27 01:37:07 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
@**say Hello Goodbye TY my friend
Sent at 2019-05-27 01:42:05 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
@Scruples4444 Didn't he also mention Navy Space Command at some point?
Sent at 2019-05-27 01:43:08 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
@Scruples4444 Thought so, ty for confirmation
Sent at 2019-05-27 01:44:35 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
@Scruples4444 Agreed
Sent at 2019-05-27 02:01:28 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
@Scruples4444 Hahaha nice!

[Here's where my msgs seem to "disappear"]

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Sent at 2019-05-27 02:18:19 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
DID YOU NOT WANT TO ANSWER MY Q ON YOUR TV SERIES? THAT'S OK
Sent at 2019-05-27 02:19:26 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
@Scruples4444 hE MISSED IT TWICE - IT'S OK
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Sent at 2019-05-27 02:24:16 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
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Sent at 2019-05-27 02:26:20 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
WHY WON'T YOU ANSWER MY Q ON YOUR TV SERIES - YOU'VE MISSED IT 4 TIMES....
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DO YOU KNOW WHAT FORMAT THE TV SERIES WILL BE? FEW LONG EPISODES - MINI FILMS - OR SERIES OF MULTIPLE EPISODES LIKE PROJECT BLUEBOOK FOR EXAMPLE
Sent at 2019-05-27 02:28:04 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
I CAN SEE IT POSTED
Sent at 2019-05-27 02:28:32 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
IT'S WELL UNDER THE LIMIT
Sent at 2019-05-27 02:29:17 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
VERY STRANGE.... SOME CAN SEE IT SOME CAN'T
Sent at 2019-05-27 02:29:31 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT FORMAT THE TV SERIES WILL BE? FEW LONG EPISODES - MINI FILMS - OR SERIES OF MULTIPLE EPISODES LIKE PROJECT BLUEBOOK FOR EXAMPLE
Sent at 2019-05-27 02:29:40 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
YES FOLLOWED INSTRUCTIONS EVERY TIME
Sent at 2019-05-27 02:29:57 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
6 TIMES GOD DAMN
Sent at 2019-05-27 02:30:35 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
6 TIMES I'VE ASKED
Sent at 2019-05-27 02:30:40 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
WHAT IS GOING ON??????
Sent at 2019-05-27 02:30:53 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT FORMAT THE TV SERIES WILL BE? FEW LONG EPISODES - MINI FILMS - OR SERIES OF MULTIPLE EPISODES LIKE PROJECT BLUEBOOK FOR EXAMPLE
Sent at 2019-05-27 02:31:14 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
NOT TROLLING ffs
Sent at 2019-05-27 02:31:26 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
POSTED IT A MIN AGO
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Sent at 2019-05-27 02:33:20 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
THE POST IS UNDER 200 OTHERWISE YOU CAN'T POST I KOW WHAT I'M DOING PEOPLE
Sent at 2019-05-27 02:33:41 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
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Sent at 2019-05-27 02:33:55 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT FORMAT THE TV SERIES WILL BE? FEW LONG EPISODES - MINI FILMS - OR SERIES OF MULTIPLE EPISODES LIKE PROJECT BLUEBOOK FOR EXAMPLE
Sent at 2019-05-27 02:34:24 UTC while watching 26 May 19.
i HAVE ASKED IT OVER 6 TIMES

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Thanks! I will check it out!


Hi Walter

I am listening to the video above on Napoleon. For some strange reasons, this research of yours interest me.

If the following can be of help, there was a businessman in Montreal who was nuts about Napoleon. If you would have seen the hall of his business place, full of Napoleon stuff.

His name was (he is deceased) Ben weider. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Weider

He has done extensive research on Napoleon, poured the necessary money and it may be a very good read, to have his books. I have not read them but I met the man. He was passionate about Napoleon, in awe.

So, hopefully I am not dragging you in the wrong direction

[Billy]

Good morning from Scotland Walter.
I listened to the Napoleon video with great interest.

Have you read my visit to the Hypogeum and other ancient sites in Malta and Gozo thread ?
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104395-My-visit-to-the-ancient-Hypogeum-in-Malta

This inspired a second visit with a few members from Avalon this coming September. We have already booked the Hypogeum for us all. You are very welcome to join us if finances are available for you. :sun:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104410-Proposed-Avalon-visit-to-Malta-2019

[RaiseMachine]

Hey Walter,

No worries mate. Done a few tests on other streams, CW's last stream was OK for example. Still haven't worked out what happened on yours. Never mind these tech things happen sometimes.

Glad we got it sorted out. Look forward to your next stream; I don't always get to be there live.

Steve

[RaiseMachine]

Hey Walter

Enjoyed your CITD reports; sounded fun to be there.

Still blocked on your streams though.

Steve

[WalterBosley]

Oh shoot!! I will get in there and fix that!
Hey Walter

Enjoyed your CITD reports; sounded fun to be there.

Still blocked on your streams though.

Steve

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Should be good now. :happythumbsup:
Oh shoot!! I will get in there and fix that!
Hey Walter

Enjoyed your CITD reports; sounded fun to be there.

Still blocked on your streams though.

Steve

[RaiseMachine]

Hey Walter

Enjoyed your conversation with John.

Still blocked on your stream; maybe I'm in the Hidden User list?

Steve

[WalterBosley]

??? I unblocked you...
I will check yet again. Sorry about that. YouTube is on such a negative kick right now, maybe they're rejecting my unblocking, lol.


Hey Walter

Enjoyed your conversation with John.

Still blocked on your stream; maybe I'm in the Hidden User list?

Steve

[WalterBosley]

OK, it looks like I didn't scroll back up to hit the Save button after removing you from the hidden list.
I did that now, so it should be good.


Hey Walter

Enjoyed your conversation with John.

Still blocked on your stream; maybe I'm in the Hidden User list?

Steve

[ichingcarpenter]

I noticed after you went on CW Chanter's channel he no longer allows comments on his youtube channel like you and only relies now on his 'chat'......... I'm not playing that game on youtube channels because you can't express oneself in chat. I like your stuff but you don't allow comments just like Kerry Cassidy did for years after she got negative comments.

I think that approach is wrong

CW now goes to you on his 4 hour talks as someone that gives him cred yet
we can't talk about that unless we are on his chat and make comments like in clerks outside like silent bob which the post can occur at any time during the night or day according to his feelings

I find him now petty .........oh and he just mentioned you this week as a supporting actor


I've bought one of your books........ yet I can't comment........... even Dolan, Hancock, Forester.....and corey allow comments



Oh yeah.........I've read why you don't and its lame because it doesn't allow intellectual discussion positive or negative nor even new information that you might not know of..........

listen you don't need to comment on the comments but you might think that this change might be good


I do like your voice but you make it impossible.

[WalterBosley]

You're communicating with me here now. I'm also on Twitter and Facebook. What's the beef?

Also, you're flat wrong about comments on YouTube. You CAN make comments there, I simply review them before letting them post. Why? Because trolls clutter things in comments sections. Also, people take their cheap shots in comment sections, trying to wrap them in 'legitimate expression' or 'point-making'. I have found that when I offer critics a direct interaction with me, a funny thing happens: I never hear from them, or rarely do. Which confirms that most of them, not all, are merely aholes wanting to pop off. You'd better get used to the practice because more of us are choosing not to deal with it. We're tired of malcontent culture and debate fanatics. I'm not saying you're one of those, I'm explaining why I manage the comments the way I see fit: It is The Walter Bosley Channel. :)

I have said before that I can be approached directly and folks with legit critiques do and I respond intelligently to them. I'm just not gonna have my comments at YouTube cluttered with stupidity. And as I said -- I do not prohibit comments, I merely review before approving them.

You seem to insinuate that I'm some bad influence on CW. Thank you. WTH is that about? :)

But I'm here now, what would you like to discuss? Clearly you're not a troll, so what's up :)


I noticed after you went on CW Chanter's channel he no longer allows comments on his youtube channel like you and only relies now on his 'chat'......... I'm not playing that game on youtube channels because you can't express oneself in chat. I like your stuff but you don't allow comments just like Kerry Cassidy did for years after she got negative comments.

I think that approach is wrong

CW now goes to you on his 4 hour talks as someone that gives him cred yet
we can't talk about that unless we are on his chat and make comments like in clerks outside like silent bob which the post can occur at any time during the night or day according to his feelings

I find him now petty .........oh and he just mentioned you this week as a supporting actor


I've bought one of your books........ yet I can't comment........... even Dolan, Hancock, Forester.....and corey allow comments



Oh yeah.........I've read why you don't and its lame because it doesn't allow intellectual discussion positive or negative nor even new information that you might not know of..........

listen you don't need to comment on the comments but you might think that this change might be good


I do like your voice but you make it impossible.

[WalterBosley]

Upcoming topics on The Walter Bosley Channel @ YouTube, Sundays 5:30(ish)PM PST:

23 June: The Alta California Expedition of Juan Cabrillo
30 June: Burton & The Lost City
07 July: Ambrose Bierce & the Airship Mystery
14 July: The Carousel Club
21 July: Apollo 11
28 July: TBD

[WalterBosley]

Bill,

Whoever runs this library needs to come to terms with what's right and what's not right. People posting unauthorized PDFs of books behind the backs of authors, only removing them when they find out about it and complain, is honestly rather a sleazy practice. The 'some people can't afford it' excuse will no longer fly. Those people can rely on the generosity of the other "love and light" people here giving them a legal printed copy as an act of true generosity. Those who feel others should get books for free should pay for copies of those books out of their own pockets and mail them to the poor destitute waifs.

If a book is old enough to be in public domain, fine. But Nick Redfern is an active author and just had to contact you to get his stuff removed from the link below. Nick and other authors are rather PISSED OFF at your forum over this and are talking about it rather loudly now. A couple of years ago you had to remove my then new book from this forum and I greatly appreciate it, but it still hurt me financially for six months and I'm not getting rich off this to begin with.

Take the lead, LIVE UP TO THE STATED COSMIC ETHICS OF THIS FORUM of "love and light" and delete all unauthorized books on the library list for which it has not received specific permission from the authors or their estates to post. This kind of thing really needs to be discouraged and stopped. There is NOTHING noble nor excusable in essentially stealing the intellectual property and publications of others simply because some people here want it.

It's WRONG.

http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/?fbclid=IwAR3kftlBcfrguqCIkyNmK36MGy5uoIz5dU1RdwotNV-W7RfgPVHNFhh-oVY

[Bill Ryan]

Walter, many thanks. You do have a point — of course. But all we're doing is collecting books that are already out there on the internet and making those more accessible. (We also have the Interesting Free Books in PDF (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9462-Interesting-Free-Books-in-PDF/page35) thread, and many of the Avalon library books are simply downloaded from there.)

It's not like we have a back room with a team of scanners, working 24/7 to turn piles of paper books page by page into electronic copies. :) These all exist already. In many cases, they seem to be very easily found.

Just yesterday, I got a request from someone to please remove all Jim Marrs', Colin Wilson's, and Ingo Swann's books from the library. (I did so, of course.) But all those three authors have passed.

The feeling I get is that Jim, Colin and Ingo, looking down on us all, would all now want their works to be freely available. They're not receiving any royalties, wherever they are now!

So it's often more of a business issue than anything 'purely ethical': and I'm really not so sure it's all that black-and-white cut and dried. For instance:

A thought experiment. Bear with me on this.

If we didn't have the books in the library, but just posted links to where the ebooks currently are, or torrents (where they're often to be found) — is that just as wrong? Or a little bit less wrong? Or not wrong at all?

And if I have those books in my personal archive, and someone asks privately if I have something they've been trying to find — does that same apply? Should I tell people: No, I'm not going to share this ebook that someone's sent me?

And a note, as well — though I do understand this is not connected with the point you made. No money is being made from this. At all. Those contributing the the library all work quite hard, unlike a number of other PDF sites (there are many of them) which are in only for the income and don't care a damn about anything at all.

[WalterBosley]

And because you're sharing these books for free, then the authors who have not approved this or are UNAWARE of it at your library are losing potential sales. So money IS being essentially taken.

To answer to your scenario, you shouldn't tolerate even the links to libraries like this being posted. You should exhibit zero tolerance. JUST because you've found it out there doesn't mean it was posted out there legally to begin with! If a car thief leaves a stolen vehicle at the mall, you don't have the moral - nor the LEGAL-- right to just take that car because, hey, you found it there. It's a stolen car to begin with.

You should be contacting each author before posting their book as a free PDF and get their permission to do so. People who run these libraries won't do that because they know the authors will not authorize it. So we return to this practice being underhanded by its very nature. Also, just because you have an illegal unauthorized (or given to you by the author) copy, doesn't mean it's OK because someone asks for it. Someone wanting it is no justification. The right thing for you to do is pull all the books that are not clearly in public domain and the titles for which you have not contacted the author and received in writing (it can be an email) specific permission to include it, with the author's understanding that it will be for free to the reader. If the 'librarian' is not willing to do that, you should not let your forum have anything to do with it, no links, no encouragement for this sort of thing. There are no hypotheticals whatsoever that justify this practice. You're not making any friends among the authors and researchers in the community. The buzz is not good.


Walter, many thanks. You do have a point — of course. But all we're doing is collecting books that are already out there on the internet and making those more accessible. (We also have the Interesting Free Books in PDF (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9462-Interesting-Free-Books-in-PDF/page35) thread, and many of the Avalon library books are simply downloaded from there.)

It's not like we have a back room with a team of scanners, working 24/7 to turn piles of paper books page by page into electronic copies. :) These all exist already. In many cases, they seem to be very easily found.

Just yesterday, I got a request from someone to please remove all Jim Marrs', Colin Wilson's, and Ingo Swann's books from the library. (I did so, of course.) But all those three authors have passed.

The feeling I get is that Jim, Colin and Ingo, looking down on us all, would all now want their works to be freely available. They're not receiving any royalties, wherever they are now!

So it's often more of a business issue than anything 'purely ethical': and I'm really not so sure it's all that black-and-white cut and dried. For instance:

A thought experiment. Bear with me on this.

If we didn't have the books in the library, but just posted links to where the ebooks currently are, or torrents (where they're often to be found) — is that just as wrong? Or a little bit less wrong? Or not wrong at all?

And if I have those books in my personal archive, and someone asks privately if I have something they've been trying to find — does that same apply? Should I tell people: No, I'm not going to share this ebook that someone's sent me?

And a note, as well — though I do understand this is not connected with the point you made. No money is being made from this. At all. Those contributing the the library all work quite hard, unlike a number of other PDF sites (there are many of them) which are in only for the income and don't care a damn about anything at all.

[Bill Ryan]

Well, I do think there may be some valid hypotheticals here.

If I have a paper copy, a 'real' hard-copy book, and then lend it to a friend — so they don't have to buy it — is that depriving the author of income? Is that unethical?

If I buy the book and donate it to a real bricks-and-mortar library, is that doing the same?

If I buy the book and then sell it second-hand on Amazon at twice the price (or half the price!), is that the same as well? (In fact, is it okay to sell any used book if nothing goes to the author?)

Nick Redfern's book was on a free torrent. Is it unethical if I tell someone where to look to find it?

In many cases I've found an e-book simply so that I could quote a couple of paragraphs from it. I've done that in three posts in the last couple of weeks, here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107791-Can-humans-really-levitate&p=1302717&viewfull=1#post1302717), here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107323-Little-People&p=1304884&viewfull=1#post1304884), and here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107791-Can-humans-really-levitate&p=1302717&viewfull=1#post1302717). That promotes the book, and the author, and the author's topic of research.

But here in Ecuador, there's no way I could get hold of the book, by whatever means, to do that. I'd not go to that time, and trouble, and expense, just to quote a tiny section in passing — for the benefit of others, not for myself.

This is what the net was created for. You yourself know the problem as a research author. Do you buy all the books in your bibliographies? (Not a push-back. A serious question. I'd assume you don't. But I'd be impressed if you do!)

I'm not trying to argue. Truly. Just showing that as best I can see, this really isn't a black-and-white issue at all.

[KiwiElf]

All it would take is just one author, who is not so understanding, to sue Avalon for Breach of Copyright. Copyright Law is international. At up to $250,000 per offense, Walter's comments are worth serious consideration.

[WalterBosley]

Bill,

I hate to say it, but your moral compass is off here. You really sound like you're trying to rationalize something you know is not truly ethical. Not one of your hypotheticals is ethically validating nor is this funny. You need to step back and do some inner reflection instead of gaming things.





Well, I do think there may be some valid hypotheticals here.

If I have a paper copy, a 'real' hard-copy book, and then lend it to a friend — so they don't have to buy it — is that depriving the author of income? Is that unethical?

If I buy the book and donate it to a real bricks-and-mortar library, is that doing the same?

If I buy the book and then sell it second-hand on Amazon at twice the price (or half the price!), is that the same as well? (In fact, is it okay to sell any used book if nothing goes to the author?)

Nick Redfern's book was on a free torrent. Is it unethical if I tell someone where to look to find it?

In many cases I've found an e-book simply so that I could quote a couple of paragraphs from it. I've done that in three posts in the last couple of weeks, here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107791-Can-humans-really-levitate&p=1302717&viewfull=1#post1302717), here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107323-Little-People&p=1304884&viewfull=1#post1304884), and here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107791-Can-humans-really-levitate&p=1302717&viewfull=1#post1302717). That promotes the book, and the author, and the author's topic of research.

But here in Ecuador, there's no way I could get hold of the book, by whatever means, to do that. I'd not go to that time, and trouble, and expense, just to quote a tiny section in passing — for the benefit of others, not for myself.

This is what the net was created for. You yourself know the problem as a research author. Do you buy all the books in your bibliographies? (Not a push-back. A serious question. I'd assume you don't. But I'd be impressed if you do!)

I'm not trying to argue. Truly. Just showing that as best I can see, this really isn't a black-and-white issue at all.

[Bill Ryan]

Thanks, but I really don't fully agree. I truly don't think all my points were all that silly.

Taking a wider view, what I suspect all this may lead to — because of the entire issue of everything being out there on the internet — is a re-examination of the way the written word is published and made available, and how contributors are compensated for that.

As with Sean Parker's Napster, this was the first time music was 'pirated' on a large scale... and then as a direct result of realizing that everything had to adapt to the new reality, the entire industry was dragged into the 21st century.

[WalterBosley]

One of Redfern's readers just pointed out that your Avalon library link has a link asking for donations to 'show appreciation' for the library of uploaded books -- That IS taking money for these books, for every donation given there.
So it's OK for your library to get money for this even though authors may be losing money.

Bill, you're on the wrong side of this.



Thanks, But I don't fully agree. I don;t thnk all my points were that sillyq

[KiwiElf]

Bill, with respect, you and some other members are aware of my profession as a Commercial Graphic Designer. It's part of my job to understand Copyright Law.

I have client's trying this on all the time.

Despite my warnings, one client was sued by the European photographer for tens of thousands of dollars - NZ$70K to be exact! (just one photograph nicked off Google Images and used in an International Travel Directory).
- I'll add that it would have only cost them a measly NZ$12.00 to legally use the image in their advt.
- it bankrupted them! Just because it's on the internet, does not make it FREE.

THAT's THE LAW. And it's International.

As the owner of this forum, YOU can be held FULLY liable.

[Bill Ryan]

One of Redfern's readers just pointed out that your Avalon library link has a link asking for donations to 'show appreciation' for the library of uploaded books -- That IS taking money for these books, for every donation given there.
So it's OK for your library to get money for this even though authors may be losing money.

Bill, you're on the wrong side of this.

Yes, there's been a lot of work put into the library. Take a look through it.

And we're not selling anything. There's no paywall, no subscription, not even any advertising. Nothing. All of those things we're utterly against. It's just a free service — like Avalon. I ask for donations here, too.

[Tintin]

Anyone of you here who has a serious issue, as misguided as it is - and we can talk copyright until the sun goes down - may consider contacting Brewster Kahle at Archive.org and make your case with him as well.

Have you seen that library?

[Valerie Villars]

I'm understanding and on the record as saying it is a library, in its' finest sense. A library.

[Chanie]

Well, I have a Masters Degree in Library and Information Science and thirty years’ experience working in libraries.

Copyright isn’t so much a matter of morality and ethics (although admittedly, an ethical person would think twice about stealing,) but rather, one of law.

Here in Canada, a library is allowed to purchase a book and then, lend that purchased copy out to people. It is NOT allowed to copy a book and then, loan that copy to people.

The reason why they are allowed to put a donated copy of a book on its shelves and loan it out is because that book was PURCHASED in the first place.

Either way, a library (or individual) is not allowed to copy a donated or purchased book and post that on the internet.

This means that the forum might have an outstanding “library,” but the copies that it is making freely available to people are illegal ones even if they were “found” elsewhere on the Internet.

I believe the exception to this copyright law would be the lifespan of the author PLUS 50-70 years. In other words, once an author is dead for 50-70 years, I think it can be copied here in Canada.

Another exception is that individuals are allowed to copy a small passage in a book for personal research purposes. You can have a few photocopied pages in your files at home and not have to worry about breaking the law.

Early on, I downloaded a copy of The Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot from the forum’s library. Initially, I told myself that Talbot was dead so it was okay, but I felt so guilty—because I knew it was WRONG—that I deleted the copy. I will get around to buying it one of these days.

See:http://fopl.ca/news/7-things-canadian-librarians-must-know-about-copyright-law/
See:https://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/cipointernet-internetopic.nsf/eng/h_wr02281.html

[Caliban]

I posted on the thread Bill created out of Walter's initial post on this.

I hope you see that Walter, because I am in total agreement with you on this. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108044-This-Is-Not-Right&p=1306274&viewfull=1#post1306274

But I will say this, pretty much repeating what I said to you before, Bill: All of your justifications for this practice that Walter is decrying hold no water. Instead of preserving the rights of authors to make a decent living, you are promoting the filching of their work, "because, hey, it's out there for free, anyway, so what's the difference." I can go through all of your "reasons" for why it's okay, but none of them are okay.

This type of attitude and action will KILL literature as we've known it. Some people want that, I'm sure. "Everything should be shared freely with anyone who wants it." How has that worked out for musicians, Bill? Pretty badly, I'd say, notwithstanding the greed of that industry.

It's sad that you are blind in this regard. I wonder would it be different were YOU a struggling writer watching people swallow up what took you five or ten years to make -- for nothing in return.

[WalterBosley]

I'm not trying to be a jerk to Bill. I think the internet has been around a few decades and is still feeling its way through what's the right thing and what's the wrong thing. This is one of those things where, even though some folks may have gotten used to certain things, it doesn't mean that it's the right thing and should continue. Literature and music will indeed suffer when the means to make a living at it -- which allows the author/artist to focus on their work and thus be good or great -- is taken away by the selfishness of those who want everything handed to them or live in a fantasy world where all is free and wonderful.

[Strat]

Bill, with respect, you and some other members are aware of my profession as a Commercial Graphic Designer. It's part of my job to understand Copyright Law.

I have client's trying this on all the time.

Ditto. Had to turn down work a few weeks ago because a biz wanted Nintendo's Mario on their window. I could do it but I'm not.

Walter's right. That being said I won't post anymore about this as it's not my business. There's lots of info in the library, if you want to support the authors then don't read copyrighted material, just check out the other stuff.

Much love as always.

[Niv]

Speaking as a lawyer, I believe Walter has a much stronger position. The library argument is a red herring; Avalon is publishing copyrighted material, not lending it. More importantly and speaking personally, I think Walter is absolutely in the right. Authors should be paid for their hours of work. I follow Walter (as an example) and know that he isn't getting rich off his books and, even if he was, it would be his right because it would be the result of his own hard work.

[petra]

There's people offering "copyright bounty" now too, I see ads about it all over the place regarding software piracy. The way it works is, if you report a copyright infringement and the entity you reported ends up paying a monetary settlement, you get the bounty.

Maybe I could help with policing the PDF's. Those contain other hidden data too (called Metadata) which I could theoretically extract, just not sure if it'd be useful whatsoever. Seems to me they all need to be taken down, and each individual PDF will need to be scrutinized and authorized by a moderator. If that happens, and we find ourselves doing repeated tasks over and over again, I might be able to help automate things using my website development skills.

[Sunny-side-up]

All I can add to this issue is:

In these days of lies and cover up, false history etc we need all the info we can get.

These are important days, people need the info.
Now if you are like me 'poor' and can't just go buy many, many books to get the knowledge well :(

If you have great knowledge then spread it.
yes I know you need to make a living, dilemma isn't it o,0

If I had new knowledge I would try getting it to as many people as possible, rich and poor.

Enlighten and Make a difference

[muxfolder]

RIP Avalon Library? I tried to warn about this some time ago. It's the nightmare scenario that there are going to be a lot of people who'll just simply want their "money" and whatever compensation. It's a nice thought though of Bill to try and share a lot of knowledge around for free, but it just doesn't work like that anymore. Seems there are a lot of rules and more piling up. And yes, I do understand all the content creators/artists/writers/actors/musicians and whatever. I do have a band and I do understand what it's like to be an artist and that's not easy. :)

[WalterBosley]

Not at the expense of others. Your desire does not give you the moral right. Not being combative, just pointing this out.
Nothing here is such a matter of life or death 'awareness' that disregarding the intellectual property rights of others is justified.


All I can add to this issue is:

In these days of lies and cover up, false history etc we need all the info we can get.

These are important days, people need the info.
Now if you are like me 'poor' and can't just go buy many, many books to get the knowledge well :(

If you have great knowledge then spread it.
yes I know you need to make a living, dilemma isn't it o,0

If I had new knowledge I would try getting it to as many people as possible, rich and poor.

Enlighten and Make a difference

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Muxfolder, that's your opinion, but many people disagree with you. The compensation allows researchers etc to focus on doing what they do which is apparently what all the folks who want it for free claim to want. Characterizing people selling what they write as merely mercenary and motivated only by that is wrong. :)


RIP Avalon Library? I tried to warn about this some time ago. It's the nightmare scenario that there are going to be a lot of people who'll just simply want their "money" and whatever compensation. It's a nice thought though of Bill to try and share a lot of knowledge around for free, but it just doesn't work like that anymore. Seems there are a lot of rules and more piling up. And yes, I do understand all the content creators/artists/writers/actors/musicians and whatever. I do have a band and I do understand what it's like to be an artist and that's not easy. :)

[muxfolder]

Not at the expense of others. Your desire does not give you the moral right. Not being combative, just pointing this out.
Nothing here is such a matter of life or death 'awareness' that disregarding the intellectual property rights of others is justified.


All I can add to this issue is:

In these days of lies and cover up, false history etc we need all the info we can get.

These are important days, people need the info.
Now if you are like me 'poor' and can't just go buy many, many books to get the knowledge well :(

If you have great knowledge then spread it.
yes I know you need to make a living, dilemma isn't it o,0

If I had new knowledge I would try getting it to as many people as possible, rich and poor.

Enlighten and Make a difference

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Muxfolder, that's your opinion, but many people disagree with you. The compensation allows researchers etc to focus on doing what they do which is apparently what all the folks who want it for free claim to want. Characterizing people selling what they write as merely mercenary and motivated only by that is wrong. :)


RIP Avalon Library? I tried to warn about this some time ago. It's the nightmare scenario that there are going to be a lot of people who'll just simply want their "money" and whatever compensation. It's a nice thought though of Bill to try and share a lot of knowledge around for free, but it just doesn't work like that anymore. Seems there are a lot of rules and more piling up. And yes, I do understand all the content creators/artists/writers/actors/musicians and whatever. I do have a band and I do understand what it's like to be an artist and that's not easy. :)

Maybe I was a little bit too harsh there. :) I don't mind people who do their work to get compensation. It must be even more difficult to get something selling books than it is with making music or movies or something other one might consider, well, artistic. That I can tell that I wouldn't leave my day job for trying to earn my living making music because it hardly pays the rent. I was trying to point out to distributors who own the content are now getting too greedy and this will backfire. That's why Netflix for example went down to tubes. It was a good and affordable service for long time but now it's getting worse. Instead of putting a lot of content under one or two big providers, they are starting new ones. Not that there's anything wrong with it. People just don't want to pay of ten different streaming services. So torrent is going to be very popular in the near future maybe as popular as it was in it's heydays.

My other prediction is that when Youtube no longer tolerates alternative media (this is happening slowly as we speak), it's going to be distributed through some kind of torrent technology. Bitchute is already out there but it's now yet that popular. But that will be the way to avoid censorship.

[Ti]

This type of attitude and action will KILL literature as we've known it. Some people want that, I'm sure. "Everything should be shared freely with anyone who wants it." How has that worked out for musicians, Bill? Pretty badly, I'd say, notwithstanding the greed of that industry.

It's sad that you are blind in this regard. I wonder would it be different were YOU a struggling writer watching people swallow up what took you five or ten years to make -- for nothing in return.
Yep. Instead of saying, "everything should be available free", say, "I will give away everything I make for free." "I will go to work for free." Hm.

You want to give away free books because free knowledge is important to you? Awesome! Write a book and give it away. Otherwise, what you really mean is, "I want books to be given to me for free" even if you phrase it the other way. You want to read a book for free? Go to the library. Write the author and ask for a copy to review. There's an entire site dedicated to sending free ebooks for people who write reviews. There's entire websites dedicated to collecting people's writings that they, the authors, are giving away for free. Sure, the quality might degrade rapidly the further you get into fanfiction... but there's a world of free reading out there from people who've consented to give their writing away for free.

I make no secret that I am a graphic designer, self employed, and of course speak from that distortion. When I first started, when I was ehh... I guess 14 or 15, I started to do very basic graphic design on forums, which I gave away for free. I made banners, avatars, fanfiction covers. I wanted free stock art and free brushes to use in Photoshop. So what I did was, I designed some brushes to be used in Photoshop and posted them for free for other people to use, and a few stock photo packs, and a detailed tutorial on how to do the art I do. I often participate on forums relating to my art, and give free advice. Free information is very important to me, since I benefited so much from free resources as a teen, which is why I create it in my field.

However, you also need to pay a few hundred dollars to hire me to draw for you now. No way am I going to make a free book cover. This is my job. This is how this reality works. Until we create a different economical situation that removes the need for energy exchange and functions on pure synchronicity (which is what I believe is the only thing that can usurp currency, but that's another story for another thread) you have to pay me to own a piece of my artwork if it wasn't something I created for funsies to give away. Of course my resources still exist, and people continue to benefit from them to this day. I've seen countless pieces of crappy artwork created with my resources by enthusiastic amateurs who don't have money to fling at buying better ones. This brings great joy to me, and I imagine it brings joy to many creatives. I'm sure tons of us would love to not be shackled to the money concept. But we are, just like you. If we want to share, please, give us the choice in the matter. Many living writers will give away free digital copies in exchange for a review. Using your local library keeps it ALIVE. If libraries are important, then don't substitute them for pirated book repositories. Use them, throw money at them, donate books to them, go to their events, write in them... libraries are great and it's pirated archives that are killing what they do best, in my opinion.

I am all for free information. There's definitely room for an extensive book list with commentary on the books, links to purchase locations, for an archive of books in the public domain, for links to excellent papers published on the internet, and to ask authors and estates for permission to archive their PDF on this site.

Ultimately, I think that people who pirate books aren't going to be the people who buy books, but I also don't think buying books is such a big deal. Usually you can buy an ebook copy for cheaper. Just like, buy the book you plan to read, and read it, and then save money for the next one if things are that tight. If they're not, you're just being cheap. Be nice to writers. Writers work real hard for not a lot of money or praise. You want to make the world a better place full of free information? That's an awesome cause and you really ought to do it on your own hard work, not by republishing other people's work. The library analogy is a non-sequitor; libraries don't give out infinite copies, they have a few that are shared in circulation. It would only be a fair equivalent if the archive here purchased a copy which had a time limit before it expires from the user's computer, and could then be transferred to a new person to view.

I also buy music from indie bands and I don't whinge about it just because I do like listening to free music. I love when I stumble on a free live performance. Radios play ads, street performers pass the hat. That's how they survive, so if I received enjoyment I try to chip in. Can't take it with ya, at least not the money, but in my experience at least some knowledge has filtered through from past lives. I'd say knowledge is pretty important. If it's not the most important thing, it's pretty close. So since knowledge is the most important thing we can buy for ourselves here, something which shapes your whole life and those whom you interact with, is it so hard to pay the price of a meal out for a book? We get money to play with and use how we will once our expenses are met, we can spend it on something, why not on books? How fast do you read a book, anyway? It's not like I chew through a book a day. Well, at least not anymore. I did when I was a kid. I imagine most people, even if things are tight, have a bit of money to spend on non-essentials. I have definitely pushed things closer to almost homeless than I would have liked for a bit back there, and still I got by without pirating books. Really, in that situation I didn't have time or headspace to read anyway, I had to work to survive.

I respect the urge behind it, I really do. I give so much stuff away. Sometimes time, sometimes time condensed into currency exchange. It's not about what's right or wrong, though, it's about respect. Respect for the authors wishes and their hard work. I know it's got wiggle room when they're dead and I'm sure many dead writers WOULD want people reading their books, but, that's what their estate is there for–to handle whatever their wishes on the matter were. Perhaps if I write books I will instruct my estate to immediately enter them into the public domain, but, that would be my decision.

If you CAN buy a book you plan on reading, then you should. Just be responsible and don't hoard books you never plan on reading, like I've done... I keep telling myself someday, someday, but I'm sure some of these are not any day... heh. That should help keep things in check. Ebooks aren't even that expensive. Like some of them are expensive at like, $12? I'm sure I've seen the odd $15 or $20 ebook but still... not really that expensive for something that's going to impact my life. That's like an hour of my time? In exchange for hundreds of hours of work?

And Avalon can certainly continue to facilitate book recommendations, directing people to knowledge with no harm done.

It's a great sentiment. I'm all for sharing as much as I can! I also want the independent and amazing minds of our time to thrive in their spaces, not feeling the pinch of hunger and the fear of the internet sweeping everything they've done away into an uncontrollable current.

Imagine you make a boat and it gets dragged away by the river without you in it.

"You should be proud of your boat," your friends say, as it disappears down the river. "It's a beautiful boat. Many people will love seeing your boat and it will bring joy to them as it passes by."

"But I was going to give river tours..."

While the argument can be made that pirates are people who wouldn't buy the product in the first place, I think especially in a place focused on spiritual development it's important for us to consider the consequences of our actions, and do the best we can to benefit the world around us. Many people have been positively touched by the library, I can tell. I personally have never used the Avalon library archive that once existed. Now it's time for us to create a new positive influential repository. It will be different and I don't know how to best manage creating a new possible way to provide free literature to people who literally cannot make that money happen. Maybe a wishlist containing requested books and donators can buy it and have it shipped to the requester? So that it's possible to publicly connect people who have a desire for a book with a copy. Maybe it will take shape in the form of a community written piece of work that extensively covers the topics considered important from the most influential books, but in our voices, and offered freely, with information from our research through books we rightfully own and cite properly.

What I do know is that people are being hurt by the free digital archive, so it's not the best solution for this world in the way it functions, even if it feels right because it resonates with a personal mission (ei: give away free information to anyone who wants to learn). So we find a way that doesn't hurt anyone. That's why we're here.

[Billy]

Jay Weidner and Yvonne Palermo are joined by Walter Bosley to discuss the idea that there has been a research and development projects concerning the creation of advanced technology going back -at least- to the time of Napoleon.
Walter has discovered several groups that worked in secret to develop technologies that were rediscovered from ancient text in India, archeological digs and beyond.
It would appear that these groups were the beginning of a 'Breakaway' civilization that actually exist today in secret.

ogloL2sV-Ww

[RaiseMachine]

Hi Walter,

I've worked out why some posts on your live stream chats don't appear. It's because YouTube sometimes classifies a message in all caps as spam and so it won't appear.
The solution to this is to use the @ symbol to highlight which user you are referring to.
What this means is that for people to ask you questions is to start one's post with "@The" this brings up your channel name: The Walter Bosley Channel. You select this and then write the question or comment and then it'll appear in chat as usual albeit with the highlight as shown here:

https://i.postimg.cc/mDk5G0rg/wbstream.png

Hope that helps for future streams.

[RaiseMachine]

A screenshot from WB's appearance on Unidentified: Inside Americas UFO Investigation Season 2 Ep 6.
https://i.postimg.cc/pmvz06XY/WB-UFO.png (https://postimg.cc/pmvz06XY)
When was this shot?

[edit: I see they misspelt your surname]

[Bill Ryan]

A screenshot from WB's appearance on Unidentified: Inside Americas UFO Investigation Season 2 Ep 6.
https://i.postimg.cc/pmvz06XY/WB-UFO.png (https://postimg.cc/pmvz06XY)
When was this shot?That Walter Bosley clip is originally from the excellent documentary Mirage Men, which was published in 2013 but which contained material shot as early as 2006. See this thread:


Mirage Men: A Journey into Disinformation, Paranoia and UFOs (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?4720-Mirage-Men-A-Journey-into-Disinformation-Paranoia-and-UFOs)

The documentary (recommended!) is here:


http://projectavalon.net/Mirage.Men-2013-Documentary.mp4

[RaiseMachine]

Thanks Bill for the source, I thought he looked a lot younger in the episode!

Saw it when it came out, have been meaning to watch it again at some point.

[WalterBosley]

LOL That was in 2006. I love my expression in your screen capture!!

[Gemma13]

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