Train Derailment - US Members of Congress on-board

[Bob]

An odd situation.

A dumptruck was parked on the tracks.

An Amtrak train hit the dumptruck.

Members of Congress were hurt.

This came after the State of the Union address. Coincidence? Or something else?

reference - most news services
http://wtvr.com/2018/01/31/amtrak-congress-crash/

Article Title: Amtrak carrying members of Congress hits Virginia truck

ALBEMARLE COUNTY, Va. -- A train carrying members of Congress -- including House Speaker Paul Ryan -- to their legislative retreat in West Virginia hit a truck Wednesday, multiple sources told CNN.

An aide confirmed Ryan was on the train and is fine. Separately, a congressman on the train told CNN most of the staff and members on the train are OK.

The Amtrak train left from Union Station in Washington earlier Wednesday, and was carrying members of Congress, as well as their spouses, some family members and aides to the lawmakers.

Rep. John Faso, a New York Republican, who was on the train that crashed, said he was able to see the truck that hit the train, and that he was told that injuries were expected from people in the truck, not train.

"There was (what) looks like a tractor trailer carrying trash that was hit by the train," Faso, who said he was in the third car of the train, told CNN.

"I think everyone on the train is OK," Faso said. "I don't know that for sure, it's a long train. But most of the concern is for the people outside."

One GOP source was unsure how many members of Congress were on the train or how many people were injured, but said there were injuries.

That source said members "hit the deck."

Republican members of Congress were on their way for a retreat at The Greenbrier in White Sulphur Springs, West Virginia, starting Wednesday and ending Friday. Vice President Mike Pence, who was not on the train, is scheduled to speak to members later Wednesday and President Donald Trump is scheduled to address the event tomorrow.

NOW: Amtrak train collides with garbage truck in Crozet. Nurse on scene reports at least one fatality and at least one in critical condition. NBC29 is on scene and will bring you more details as we get them. pic.twitter.com/eU0uYL0JQx

— NBC29 (@NBC29) January 31, 2018

BREAKING: I'm on the scene of a train crash with a tractor trailer in Crozet. More at noon on @CBS19News pic.twitter.com/KuyJMVpRRG

— Laura Perrot (@LauraCPerrot) January 31, 2018

Just confirmed that @DaveBratVA7th was not on the #crozet train. He drove home last night after SOTU, per his office. @CBS6 #BREAKING #Vapolitics

— Jake Burns (@JakeBurnsCBS6) January 31, 2018

This is a developing story.

[Bob]

-- Passenger aboard truck dead after crash involving train carrying members of Congress


https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/180131115740-01-gop-train-crash-0131-exlarge-169.jpg

Sen. Jeff Flake of Arizona told The Washington Post that there were three passengers on the truck, with one dead and two injured. Flake said he and other lawmakers carried one of the injured truck passengers to an ambulance with local medical personnel.

The Amtrak train crashed with the truck in Crozet, which is west of Charlottesville, at 11:20 a.m. local time.

[Bob]

Another view


https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/journalstar.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/3/60/360dcbe3-62ce-5e56-96cb-84e8adda089e/5a71fc2c758c3.image.jpg

Nebraska Reps. Jeff Fortenberry and Don Bacon are both safe after an Amtrak train carrying dozens of GOP lawmakers crashed into a garbage truck en route to a retreat in West Virginia.

Forteberry's family was also on the train, he tweeted: "Jarring, but everyone OK on train."

He added that someone on the truck appeared to be seriously injured, possibly dead. "A number of Members of Congress who are doctors tried to help," he tweeted.

It was unclear if other members of Nebraska's federal delegation were on board.

The crash happened near Charlottesville, Virginia. The train was carrying members of the House and Senate, plus some family members and aides, en route to the Greenbrier resort in White Sulfur Springs for a three-day issues retreat featuring appearances by President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence.

Oklahoma GOP Rep. Tom Cole said he felt "a tremendous jolt" when the accident occurred at about 11:15 a.m. EST, nearly two hours after it left Washington.

He said the train stopped quickly after impact. He said several GOP lawmakers who are doctors got off the train to assist, including Rep. Brad Wenstrup, R-Ohio, who was also at last June's shooting of Republicans at a baseball practice in nearby Alexandria, Virginia, and treated some of the victims.

Other doctor-lawmakers who helped included Reps. Michael Burgess, R-Texas, Phil Roe, R-Tenn., and Sen. Bill Cassidy, R-La.

Cole said the front of the train hit a vehicle that appeared to be a trash truck, which he said was torn in half. He said the accident apparently occurred at or near a crossing because he could see railroad crossing gates.

from: http://journalstar.com/news/state-and-regional/federal-politics/nebraska-congressmen-uninjured-after-amtrak-train-hits-truck-in-virginia/article_599b816a-42b4-5518-92f3-172fbbcf375a.html

image from NBC


https://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2018_05/2312166/180131-gop-train-crash-truck-ew-1206_1095d77a14dfa540877b087918c35cfe.nbcnews-fp-1200-630.jpg

[Bob]

Additional members names (list is developing)

Iowa Senator Ernst and Congressman Young
House Speaker Paul Ryan
Oklahoma GOP Rep. Tom Cole Rep.
Nebraska Reps. Jeff Fortenberry and Don Bacon
Brad Wenstrup, R-Ohio
Jason Lewis R-Minnesota
Sen. Jeff Flake (R-AZ)
Greg Walden Oregon
Rep. Vicky Hartzler, R-Mo
Jeb Hensarling - Texas Congressman
Congressman Bradley Byrne Alabama
Sean Duffy (and family)
Rep Roger Marshall - one of the doctors performing CPR
Rep. Chuck Fleischmann (Tennessee) - injured (Fleischmann said he was thrown around upon the impact and suffered neck, back and foot injuries.) He reports others on the train were injured.
Rep. Phil Roe, R-Johnson City
Rep. Susan Brooks, R-Ind.
Rep. Greg Walden
Rep. John Faso
U.S. Rep. Tom Rice
Colorado Sen. Cory Gardner and Rep. Mike Coffman
Reps. Rick Allen, Buddy Carter, Drew Ferguson, Karen Handel, Jody Hice, Barry Loudermilk and Austin Scott (Georgia)

(see bottom of post for more updates on WHO was ON the train)

(more coming.. one member was saying about 200 members of Congress on board the train, with about 100 family members (according to Brad Byrne)

update - FOX news has Rachel Campos Duffy's wife reporting that there are NO injuries on board, contradicting Rep/ Chuck Fleischmann's tweets.

FOX then got Fleischmann to report via phone. He reports that the train is now being pulled back to it's starting destination, where the people on the train will be transported by BUS to their retreat. Pence and Trump are scheduled to meet at the retreat within a day.

Roger Marshall reports that there were people with head injuries on the train.

The train was running at about 70 mph when the impact happened.

According to Brad Byrne, this retreat is an ESSENTIAL MEETING, where the upcoming year's agenda will be developed.

VP Pence tweets, still heading to the retreat. (That this won't stop him or others to proceed ahead).

Dr Marshall reports that the first person had a crushed airway (no pulse), and they tried to work on them to keep them alive (but failed), then they went to work on the second person, and managed to stabilize them, where they were transported to a local hospital. No word on the 3rd person from the trash truck such as why they were there stopped on the track.

This is not the first time this sort of thing happened. TWO years in a row, there have been 'accidents' on getting to the retreat.

Jeb Hensarling (Texas) reports at least 2 people (reps) from the train were transported to UVA Health Systems (hospital). There were two Amtrak employees also injured.

Jeb reports that he will do the retreat. That this retreat is essential for planning the business needed for the upcoming year.

Back at CharlottesVille, VA its a scene out of 911 - police are everywhere, from state police, capitol police, sheriff's and local police. Security checks everywhere.

1:38pm the train (more than a dozen cars) is arriving at CharlottesVille. A convoy of buses sits in the parking lot.

Words being used by the congressional members - "We WILL be doing the People's Work"..

Railroad investigator says, no warning lights were flashing (when he saw the train moving out from the crash site), but/and this particular location was in a relatively hidden spot, on an uphill incline, treelined,and on a curve and the Amtrak engineers would have had a hard time to see a vehicle on the tracks at this location until it was too late. (John Hiatt railroad investigator). Hiatt also said there is no logical reason what-so-ever that this train should have been moved until the preliminary investigation was completed. He felt it unusual that the track was cleared so quickly and declared safe to move the train.

Michael Burgess (R) Texas contradicts the Rail Road investigator.

Burgess says the gates were down, lights flashing (how would he know that?) One could assume that crossing gates would have been destroyed during such a crash.. ? If so (gates) why was the dumptruck on the track around the gates? Contradictions are starting to build. He also contradicts the speed, saying it was only 50-60 mph. How would he know that?

Burgess says it's just an accident, no conspiracy, nothing sinister there.. (1:54 pm in an interview live with FOX)

hmmm... "move along, nothing to see here"... now where have we seen that before.. Could we assume the earlier congressmen and their families are being told to shut up and let the appropriate spokespersons explain it all.. who would be telling them that if such is the case, why the contradictions? Those injured spoke out early and probably accurately. Burgess says he was not injured, just sitting at a table talking to other people there.

Fox news reported on-site at the Amtrak station in CharlottesVille, VA reports that the feed going back to the networks IS being delayed by 20 seconds, so it is not actually LIVE but is being censored, monitored..

News helicopters are flying over the crash site. SWAT members are starting to converge all over the Amtrak Station.

Pulling up Google Earth - taking an actual LOOK at the scene...

The curve matches what the railroad accident investigator reported, ON A CURVE.

Accident Scene Crozet, near Lanetown and Marymart Farm Roads.


http://chanlo.com/images/amtrak-1.jpg

http://chanlo.com/images/amtrak-2.jpg

http://chanlo.com/images/amtrak-3.jpg

There are NO crossing gates seen in the recent google-earth satellite views of the accident site, but two light poles indicating a train may be coming can be seen on the sides of the road. Now it is possible that the gates are very thin and relatively invisible from Satellite views not able to cast a shadow.. If they were down, it would be easy to drive around them. In an early live view from FOX on the ground at the crossing, one cannot SEE any gates, but possibly a mechanism on the flashing lights poles (without any gates attached). Were there gates damaged? Were there no gates but the mechanism there? Unknown at this time. Subsequent "views" of the scene NOW show a gate across both sides of the track. The SIZE of the GATE(s) appear to "change" in whatever news agency is reporting on images at the accident scene..

There appears to be a very small pedestrian style of gate as shown by live Fox news cameras on site. Such a small gate does not seem like it would warn a truck to not cross. Another suggestion presented to me, was there a gunman in the truck telling the driver to stop on the tracks? Conjecture, hard telling at this point.

In this image from NBC, there appears to be a crossing gate - odd


http://wvir.images.worldnow.com/images/15946738_G.jpg?auto=webp&disable=upscale&width=800

The current images (allegedly supplied live images from the ground by a FOX news reporter on-site), show the "gates" to be DOWN and about 6-8 foot long.. The above image (still image) shows much LONGER GATES.. Again a strange anomaly in all the images.

Another view, the "gates" are down, and are smaller


http://wvir.images.worldnow.com/images/15947743_G.jpg?auto=webp&disable=upscale&width=800

Update-
Rolling back Google Earth to 2009 there is less foliage, and there CAN be seen large crossing gates (up at that time), and notice the WHITE trash truck (?) towards the bottom right. That seems to match the "dumptruck" in the crash images for today..


http://chanlo.com/images/amtrak-4.jpg

Update:
http://www.wtva.com/content/national/471974213.html?ref=213 - these folks published a list of who was on the train - *saying still not a complete list


House Speaker Paul Ryan
Rep. French Hilll, R-Arkansas
Rep. John Moolenaar-, R-Michigan
Rep. Rick Allen, R-Georgia
Rep. Susan Brooks, R-Indiana
Rep. Ron Estes, R-Kansas
Rep. Steve Womack-, R-Arkansas
Sen. Mike Rounds, R-South Dakota
Rep. Keith Rothfus, R-Pennsylvania
Rep. Alex Mooney, R-West Virginia
Rep. Martha McSally, R-Arizona
Rep. Don Bacon, R-Nebraska
Rep. Pete Sessions, R-Texas
Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kansas
Rep. Steve Daines, R-Montana
Rep. Drew Ferguson, R-Georgia
Sen. James Lankford, R-Oklahoma
Rep. Carlos Curbelo, R-Florida
Rep. Mark Walker, R-North Carolina
Rep. Vicky Hartzler, R-Missouri
Rep. Roger Marshall, R-Kansas
Sen. Bill Cassidy, R-Louisiana
Rep. Ed Royce, R-California
Rep. Jeff Fortenberry, R-Nebraska
Rep. Bradley Byrne, R-Alabama
Rep. Greg Walden, R-Oregon
Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Arizona
Sen. Joni Ernst, R-Iowa
Rep. Tom Cole, R-Oklahoma
Rep. Michael Burgess, R-Texas
Rep. Chuck Fleischmann, R-Tennessee
Rep. Jason Lewis, R-Minnesota
Sen. Cory Gardner, R-Colorado
Sen. Thom Tillis, R-North Carolina
Sen. Todd Young, R-Indiana
Sen. Rob Portman, R-Ohio
Rep. Susan Brooks, R-Indiana
Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers, R-Washington
Rep. Karen Handel, R-Georgia
Rep. Larry Bucshon, R-Indiana
Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas
Rep. Randy Hultgren, R-Illinois
Rep. Barry Loudermilk, R-Georgia
Rep. Hal Rogers, R-Kentucky
Rep. Jeff Denham, R-California
Rep. Brian Babin, R-Texas
Rep. Tim Walberg, R-Michigan
Rep. Sean Duffy, R-Wisconsin
Rep. Mike Bost, R-Illinois
Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas
Rep. Keith Rothfus, R-Pennsylvania
Rep. Bill Flores, R-Texas
Rep. Dan Donovan, R-New York
Rep. John Faso, R-New York
Rep. Gary Palmer, R-New York Rep.
Steve King, R-Iowa
Rep. Kevin Cramer, R-North Dakota
Rep. Bob Lotta, R-Ohio
Rep. Ted Yoho, R-Florida
Rep. Andy Barr, R-Kentucky
Rep. Rick Crawford, R-Arkansas
Rep. Joe Wilson, R-South Carolina
Rep. Glenn Grothman, R-Wisconsin
Rep. John Katko, R-New York
Rep. Tom MacArthur, R-New Jersey
Rep. Lee Zeldin, R-New York
Rep. Phil Roe, R-Tennessee
Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-California
Rep. Scott Tipton, R-Colorado
Rep. Gus Bilirakis, R-Florida
Rep. Bruce Westerman, R-Arkansas
Rep. David Valadao, R-California
Rep. Bill Huizenga, R-Michigan
Rep. Austin Scott, R-Georgia
Rep. Thomas Massie, R-Kentucky
Rep. Raul Labrador, R-Idaho
Rep. Richard Hudson, R-North Carolina

[Helene West]

Just pure evil at work. The repubs have been given another message. Shooting Scalise and assaulting Paul wasn't enough. An en masse message now. The manchurian candidate in the truck is of course dead but who cares, the point is the message to the repubs loud and clear, do not support your president.

On top of that now Wray is saying he opposes releasing the Memo. Don't know if he overrides Trump in this regard or not, but man, we barely get 24 hrs of a little optimism that these demons just don't quit. Hope the repubs hold on but I can see them being scared now...

The elites want their one world government at all costs, the modus operandi - repub betrayal, race and gender tyranny, etc., etc...

[Noelle]

Call me "out there," but if this is a false flag, could there be something symbolic about the vehicle on the tracks -- a truck full of garbage?

[ghostrider]

How does a semi truck not see a train, and a train not see a semi truck ???

[Helene West]

Call me "out there," but if this is a false flag, could there be something symbolic about the vehicle on the tracks -- a truck full of garbage?

Nothing wrong with your noodle, M'lady. We know how they love their depraved symbols.
This move is a declared War! Will the repubs run like cowardly deserters?

Is it time for patriots whether alt or mainstream to start talking about who the dems, rogue intel and media serve? Fox news will call it the 'deep state' but is it time for people to start talking about the ruling class families who own the banks etal and their desire for one world government?

So much talk of corruption, corruption but it's filters to the minds of most americans as accusations that one party throws at another and I don't think gets much deeper. It's chancy for people more mainstream to start talking like Alt hosts but maybe it's time? Will the average american just register this as a coincidence?

[KiwiElf]

Just pure evil at work. The repubs have been given another message. Shooting Scalise and assaulting Paul wasn't enough. An en masse message now. The manchurian candidate in the truck is of course dead but who cares, the point is the message to the repubs loud and clear, do not support your president.

On top of that now Wray is saying he opposes releasing the Memo. Don't know if he overrides Trump in this regard or not, but man, we barely get 24 hrs of a little optimism that these demons just don't quit. Hope the repubs hold on but I can see them being scared now...

The elites want their one world government at all costs, the modus operandi - repub betrayal, race and gender tyranny, etc., etc...

No,.. Wray doesn't over-ride Trump: it's Trump's & Trump's decision alone. I consider this a deliberate attack on the GOP's (thank God they weren't in an airplane!). FOX NEWS reporting members are continuing the journey by bus. (Don't give up Helene, rumour has it the decision as to WHEN the Memo is going to be released will be TODAY)... ie within the next 5 days

Suggest everyone takes a look at related articles here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CBTS_Stream/

[Bob]

Congress-Woman Meme Walters in car number 6 reports a "jolt", saying obviously we hit something.. She says "we saw trash every where", and eventually the train came to a stop. Then the next thing she knew doctors from on the train were trying to get out of the train to try to help those in the cab of the dumptruck. She says she says she intends to go to the retreat at the GreenBrier.

It is noted that not ALL republican members of congress were on that train.

Possibly looking at who was NOT on the train might be an interesting study..

For instance, Congressman Tom Garrett (R-VA) was not on the train. Indiana Reps. Luke Messer and Todd Rokita were not on board.

Scalise was not on Wednesday's Amtrak train, Stephen Joseph Scalise is the current United States House of Representatives Majority Whip and representative for Louisiana's 1st congressional district, serving since 2008. Scalise was wounded in June when a gunman opened fire on Republican lawmakers practicing in a Washington, D.C., suburb for a charity baseball game.

Rep. Clay Higgins was driving separately to the retreat with Rep. Randy Weber, R-Texas, who tweeted that they were both "safe."

Clay Higgins sits on the following committees: House Committee on Homeland Security. Member, Subcommittee on Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Protection; Member, Subcommittee on Oversight and Management Efficiency; Member, Subcommittee on Transportation and Protective Security.

Randy Weber - Committee on Foreign Affairs. Subcommittee on Africa, Global Health, Global Human Rights and International Organizations. Subcommittee on the Middle East and North Africa. Committee on Science, Space and Technology. Subcommittee on Energy. Subcommittee on Environment. Freedom Caucus.

Rep. Elise Stefanik NY - Stefanik serves on the House Armed Services Committee , the Committee on Education and the Workforce and the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

On the House Armed Services Committee, Congresswoman Stefanik serves as Chair for the Subcommittee on Emerging Threats and Capabilities. In addition, she serves on the Subcommittee on Readiness.

On the Committee on Education and the Workforce, Congresswoman Stefanik serves on the Subcommittees on Higher Education and Workforce Development and Workforce Protections.

On the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, Congresswoman Stefanik serves on the Subcommittees on Department of Defense Intelligence and Overhead Architecture and the NSA & Cybersecurity.

This is interesting: Sen. John McCain and Rep. Andy Biggs were not on the train
Biggs, a Republican, is the representative for Arizona’s 5th congressional district (Andy Biggs stood against nearly every House member, voting "no" on a bill for nearly $8 billion in Hurricane Harvey relief aid.), while McCain serves as Chairman of the Senate Committee on Armed Services; Member and former Chairman of the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs; and Member of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.

It gets deeper still - South Carolina Senators Lindsey Graham and Tim Scott were not on board the train. Graham was one of the NEVER-TRUMP advocates. Oct 23, 2017 - Once upon a time, Lindsey Graham called Donald Trump a "jackass." Never to be outdone in the put-down department, Trump labeled the South Carolina senator a "lightweight" and an "idiot" who “seems to me not as bright as Rick Perry.” Graham: " If President Trump Doesn't Call Himself a Genius 'Nobody Else Will "

Tim Scott - Senator Scott to Serve on Senate Armed Services Committee. Sen. Tim Scott, R-S.C., said fellow South Carolina Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham confirmed President Trump referred to some nations as “sh!thole countries” during a White House meeting that Graham attended with lawmakers Thursday.

Finances - U.S. Rep. Todd Rokita, R-Indianapolis, has been appointed vice chairman of the House Budget Committee, putting him in line to someday control the federal budget-writing process if Republicans remain in the majority. Rokita will help analyze the president's proposed federal budget, and separately craft a House budget resolution to be used by representatives in making spending decisions.

U.S. Senator John Kennedy was not on the train - Senate Committee on Appropriations. Member, Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, Science, and Related Agencies; Member, Subcommittee on Department of Homeland Security; Member, Subcommittee on Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education, and Related Agencies, Senate Committee on the Budget, Senate Committee on the Judiciary, Member, Subcommittee on Border Security and Immigration
Member, Subcommittee on Crime and Terrorism, Member, Subcommittee on Oversight, Agency Action, Federal Rights and Federal Courts, Member, Subcommittee on Privacy, Technology and the Law, Senate Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship

Bob Goodlatte - Committee on the Judiciary (Chairman) Subcommittee on Intellectual Property, Competition, and the Internet (Chairman), Committee on Agriculture (Vice Chairman) Subcommittee on Conservation, Energy, and Forestry. House Judiciary Task Force on Judicial Impeachment (Ranking Member).

Senator Pat Toomey, Representative Lou Barletta and Dan Marino were not on the train.
Toomey: Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs, Committee on the Budget, Committee on Finance .

Lou Barletta: is a member of the following House committees and subcommittees.


House Homeland Security Committee

Subcommittee on Border and Maritime Security

Subcommittee on Counterterrorism and Intelligence

House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee

Subcommittee on Economic Development, Public Buildings, and Emergency Management (Chairman)

Subcommittee on Highways and Transit

Subcommittee on Railroads, Pipelines, and Hazardous Materials

House Education and the Workforce Committee

Subcommittee on Higher Education and Workforce Training

Subcommittee on Health, Employment, Labor and Pensions


Dan Morino - "Congressman Marino is committed to controlling government spending." Member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, the Committee on Homeland Security, and the Judiciary Committee - on which he serves as Chairman of the Subcommittee on Regulatory Reform, Commercial and Antitrust Law.

U.S. Rep. John Ratcliffe was not on the train that crashed -


House Homeland Security Committee

Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Protection, Chair

Oversight and Management Efficiency Subcommittee

House Judiciary Committee

Crime, Terrorism, Homeland Security, and Investigations Subcommittee

Regulatory Reform, Commercial and Antitrust Law Subcommittee

House Ethics Committee


Rep. Kristi Noem was not on the train - She currently serves on the House Ways and Means Committee, which is largely regarded as the most powerful committee in Congress. The Ways and Means Committee has jurisdiction over all tax, trade, and economic growth policies.

(looking for more) - anyone see any patterns?

Where were they all going?

https://greenbrierwv.com/places/30/the-greenbrier


https://res.cloudinary.com/greenbrier/image/upload/v1497883815/larabelt/production/staging/20170619105015-20170407021719-feature-tout-greenbrier.jpg
(they say the food is good :)

Amtrak initially denied that there were any injuries on the train - http://fox59.com/2018/01/31/members-of-congress-including-4-from-indiana-ok-after-fatal-train-crash-in-virginia/


Amtrak said in a statement that the train came into contact with a vehicle that was on the tracks at 11:20 a.m. in Crozet, Virginia, outside Charlottesville. Amtrak’s statement said “There are no reported injuries to passengers or crew members” as of noon

National Transportation Safety Board says it “is launching a Go-Team to the scene of the Amtrak accident in VA. More information will be released as it becomes available.”

US Capitol Police said congressional officials, including the USCP, are on the scene and are working closely with partner law enforcement agencies in response to the incident.

[KiwiElf]

Train carrying Republican lawmakers hits truck on way to GOP retreat
by Melissa Quinn | Jan 31, 2018, 11:40 AM | Updated Jan 31, 2018, 2:07 PM

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A train carrying Republican lawmakers on their way to their retreat at the Greenbrier resort in West Virginia hit a truck, a GOP staffer on Capitol Hill confirmed to the Washington Examiner. One person was killed in the crash, according to the White House.

"The President has been fully briefed on the situation in Virginia and is receiving regular updates. There is one confirmed fatality and one serious injury. There are no serious injuries among members of Congress or their staff," said White House press secretary Sarah Sanders in a statement.

"Senior administration officials are in regular contact with Amtrak and state and local authorities. Our thoughts and prayers are with everyone that has been affected by this incident."

Most lawmakers on the train were reported to be OK, though some on board sustained injuries. The train was also carrying members' spouses and staff members to the retreat in White Sulphur Springs. A spokesperson for the Congressional Institute told the Examiner one lawmaker was taken to the hospital and a GOP aide said that lawmaker was Rep. Jason Lewis, R-Minn.

A House GOP aide said Lewis had been taken to a local hospital to be treated for a concussion.

"I'm fine compared to, tragically, the truck drivers," Lewis said in a statement to the Examiner.

A spokeswoman for Amtrak said two of its crew members and a second passenger were taken to the hospital to be treated for minor injuries. Amtrak did not identify the second passenger.

The accident occurred in Albemarle County, Va., west of Crozet, Va., and is currently under investigation.

Full article at Link below:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/train-carrying-republican-lawmakers-hits-truck-on-way-to-gop-retreat/article/2647674

[jagman]

IMO This was a clear case of a false flag that went wrong! Be prepared ppl. They have to distract now!( Bigly) The Memo is coming out anytime now! So im predicting a major event in the next 24 hrs!

[Bob]

There are some updates to those REPS who were NOT on the train - check out those members, and their jobs.. Seems very interesting what they do..

this thread's link to post - http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101553-Train-Derailment-US-Members-of-Congress-on-board&p=1205117&viewfull=1#post1205117

[ThePythonicCow]

Here's the front of the train, a ways further down the track, heading west, toward West Virginia. The portion of the train showing in the earlier images on this thread is, I believe, the tail end of the train, that had almost passed through the railroad crossing before coming to a complete stop.

http://thepythoniccow.us/congressman_train_truck_collision_front_of_train.jpg

[KiwiElf]

Devin Nunes was also aboard train that hit the dump truck in Virginia (self.CBTS_Stream)


36987


https://www.reddit.com/r/CBTS_Stream/comments/7udat6/devin_nunes_was_aboard_train_that_hit_a_dump/

Still think this was an "accident?" :silent:

[avid]

Jim Stone made some interesting observations, including the mysterious David Rothschild tweet implying something sinister was about to happen....
http://82.221.129.208/.zh9.html

[Baby Steps]

Greenbrier - that is no ordinary hotel...

http://www.greenbrier.com/Activities/Bunker-Tours

[RunningDeer]

Devin Nunes was also aboard train that hit the dump truck in Virginia (self.CBTS_Stream)

36987


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Dark-Journalist/Nunes-FBI-Statement.jpg


Jim Stone made some interesting observations, including the mysterious David Rothschild tweet implying something sinister was about to happen....
http://82.221.129.208/.zh9.html


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Dark-Journalist/rothchildtweet.jpg

[Bob]

John Thune tweeted shortly after the accident that he was not on the train that wrecked, hitting the garbage transport.

John Thune - U.S. Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.) issued the following statement after the Senate Republican Conference ratified committee assignments for the 115th Congress. Thune will again serve on the Agriculture, Nutrition, and Forestry Committee; the Commerce, Science, and Transportation Committee; and the Finance Committee.

Senator John Thune, is classed as the No. 3 Republican in the Senate, warned House Republicans that they should listen to warnings from national security officials about making the Devin Nunes memo public.

[Bob]

Take a quick tour of the GreenBrier including the secret facilities "made for Congress.."



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXaX5Cm8B0s

[onevoice]

Here is an apropos cartoon I found in my local newspaper yesterday:

https://baggage-wm.livelink.io/wm.albums/gallery.photos3.walmart.com/galleries-4dadac6fb722aa4dedf55d4bb26f4cd3-11865359564.jpg

[norman]

From my distance, I won't call this a "false flag".

I think it was an attempt to wipe out the REPs in Congress.

Imagine the implications, if most of the people on that list were now dead.

At the very least, it will have seriously put the wind up them.


edit:

I was thinking and asking myself why it would happen on a bend where the train would not be going very fast, it didn't make sense, if it was a deliberate act.

Then it struck me that on a bend, the driver hasn't got time to see it and stop the train in time.

[avid]

Trying to annihilate a ‘job lot’? Try to copy the Polish demolition of government https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Polish_Air_Force_Tu-154_crash
but by a trainload of opposition to the ‘dark side’...
So unlucky, this fiasco was far too obvious, so what's next..?

[Foxie Loxie]

Are we "at war" yet?! :facepalm:

[O Donna]

If it was an attack why not use a fuel truck instead of a garbage truck or am I missing something?

[pyrangello]

From zetatalk.com , take it for what its worth........................

Greenbrier Train Crash

The day after the State of the Union address, which was widely applauded and well received by the American public, and the day before the Republican FISA memo was to be released by the White House, an Amtrak train - carrying numerous GOP representatives, and their families, and including the Speaker of the House Paul Ryan - narrowly missed being derailed. Per the Zetas, this was a deliberate attempt to kill, maim, and punish GOP members who were allowing the Deep State to be exposed and prosecuted.

Compare the aftermath to other train wrecks, which did result in derailment. In the Seattle wreck the train was traveling at 80 mph. In the Bronx wreck the train was traveling at 70 mph. In the Greenbrier wreck, the train was traveling at 70 mph but did not derail. The Greenbrier crash had extra impetus to derail, as it encountered a garbage truck. Dead stop. The Greenbrier train just demolished the garbage truck, and did not derail. No Congressmen or family members were injured beyond a mild concussion. Per the Zetas, an intervention occurred.

ZetaTalk Insight 2/28/2018: This was an attempt to punish those who had released the FISA memo, Republicans on the committee, and those who were in hot pursuit of criminal conduct among Obama’s FBI and DOJ in support of Hillary. The New World Order agenda was certain that Hillary would win, and they would be rewarded. The Junta in charge of the US defanged the CIA last November when Dunford’s Marines landed at Langley and then proceeded to cleanses the FBI. With the firing of McCabe, a Hillary cohort, and the release of a memo on FISA crimes now to be public knowledge, the New World Order crowd is in high panic mode.

A frightened animal will get vicious, attack in a random manner, even biting itself by accident. If they feel cornered, blind rage sets in. One should not expect logical behavior. Thus finding the Russian collusion nonsense about to end with no impeachment of Trump, and seeing that the Democrats in command of the FBI and DOJ during the past administration are about to themselves be prosecuted, evidence of their crimes in hand, they are trying to intimidate the Republicans who are running Congress at present. Speaker Ryan was on that train.

The hope was that this train would derail and that there would be many deaths, as usually happens when a train going 70 mph slams into an unmovable object. Yes, there was intervention to prevent derailment. Those on the dump truck were not conscious, nor even intending to cross the tracks, but the truck was driven there by assassins who then ensured the driver would not awaken in time to pull the truck back by giving him a fatal heart attack. These details are unlikely to come out in the news, as it is always viewed that the public could not stand hearing that there is a secret war in Washington DC. It will be whitewashed

[Bob]

Another AMTRAK Collision

Sunday morning, traveling at about 80 mph, an Amtrak trains collides with a freight train. 2:35 AM. 50 passengers injured, 2 dead. Traveling from NY to Miami.

Something up with Amtrak? Should Amtrak have been used to ferry members of Congress to White Sulfur Springs ?

The collision happened near the Columbia area of South Carolina.

ref: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/04/amtrak-csx-trains-collide-in-south-carolina-injuries-reported.html


http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/us/2018/02/04/amtrak-csx-trains-collide-in-south-carolina-injuries-reported/_jcr_content/par/featured_image/media-0.img.jpg/931/524/1517741645692.jpg?ve=1&tl=1


The collision occured about 2:35 a.m. in Cayce, S.C., near Charleston Highway and Pine Ridge Road, authorities said.

The Amtrak train was No. 91, traveling between New York and Miami. The Amtrak train's lead engine derailed, as did some passenger cars, an Amtrak statement said.

The passenger train had eight crew members and approximately 139 passengers aboard.

No immediate information was available about the CSX train.


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/5E21/production/_99879042_ussouthcarolinacayce9760218.jpg

[Bob]

The amount of injured has been bumped up to 70. The freight train was carrying diesel fuel.

As of noon local east coast time, the Amtrak train folks say 59 mph at the time, not 80.. And that injuries are now 116 taken to the hospital. 2 dead, Amtrak employees.

At 80 mph on a curve not designed for speed, a train could easily fly off or the track could split (destabilize from it's supports).. High speed tracks are specially designed, and one can see the amazing speeds that the Japanese Bullet trains travel..

But an Amtrak train is another story.

Congress has been witholding budgets from AMTRAK, as early as 2005/6 and a major 'stink' in 2015 happened.

Here is possibly where the material for conspiracy may be built..

May 17, 2016 - A House panel approved a measure Wednesday that cuts funding for Amtrak, less than a day after a train derailment left at least seven people dead and many more injured.

The Republican-led House Appropriations Committee voted 30-21 to reduce grants to Amtrak.

In 2008, the Democrat-controlled Congress and the Bush White House were at odds over an Amtrak bill. Democrats wanted to double Amtrak's budget. The Bush administration wanted to zero it out.

In 1970 President Nixon pushed forward the Rail Passenger transportation act - this sets the groundwork for in 1971, 21 railroad companies agree to "cooperate" to work together for the AMTRAK formation.

In 1973. Congress passes Amtrak Improvement Act and the Regional Rail Reorganization Act, mandating transfer of operation of the Northeast Corridor to Amtrak. Old rails are used. Amtrak orders new engines, and cars.

In 1976 Amtrak gets charge of maintenance.

1977 Amtrak gets a $1.75 Billion dollar improvement budget to make safe the railways.

On April 2, 1980, the Silver Star was involved in a head-on collision with a Seaboard Coast Line freight train in Lakeview, North Carolina. One hundred and twenty-three people were injured.

1984 was a bad year for Amtrak

On July 4,1984, two people sitting in a parked truck died when the truck was hit by an Amtrak train in Elgin, S.C

On July 11,1984, Amtrak's Silver Star hit a tanker truck at a grade crossing in McBee, S.C., killing two people, the engineer and the truck driver.

On July 23,1984, two Amtrak trains collided head-on on a viaduct 80 feet above a Queens street in NYC, killing one man and injuring 125 others.

On January 4, 1987, the Colonial collided with three Conrail locomotives in Chase, Maryland due to the locomotives overruning signals. Sixteen people were killed, 164 were injured.

On September 28, 1989, The Crescent collided with a fire truck that was responding to a fire, about 80 miles south of Washington, DC. Three people, including two firefighters, were killed. More than 70 people were injured.

On December 19, 1989, The San Joaquin Flyer collided with a truck carrying Hershey's chocolate syrup. All cars derailed. The driver of the truck was killed as well as two train engineers. Dozens were injured.

On September 22, 1993, a barge collided with the Big Bayou Canot swing bridge in Mobile, Alabama and pushed it out of alignment. Moments later, the Sunset Limited crossed the bridge at 70 miles per hour (110 km/h), causing the bridge to collapse. Fuel from the locomotives caught fire. Forty-seven people were killed and 103 were injured in Amtrak's deadliest accident.

On February 16, 1996, the Capitol Limited collided with a Maryland Area Regional Commuter passenger train in Silver Spring, Maryland after the latter had overrun signals. Eleven people were killed, 26 were injured due to the collision and subsequent fire.

On March 15, 1999, the City of New Orleans collided with a semi-truck on a grade crossing in Bourbonnais, Illinois and derailed due to a track circuit fault activating the barriers too late. Eleven people were killed, 122 were injured.

On May 6, 2003, the Silver Star collided with a truck on a grade crossing near Hinesville, Georgia. The truck driver and train driver were killed.On August 2, 2003, a train collided with a dump truck on a grade crossing in Raleigh, North Carolina. Two people in the truck were killed, fifteen passengers were injured.

On November 30, 2007, the Pere Marquette ran into the rear of a freight train in Chicago, Illinois. Three people were admitted to hospital.

On January 25, 2008, at approximately 11:40 p.m. the Sunset Limited struck a tractor-trailer on a grade crossing in Northeast Harris County, Texas.

On May 13, 2010, the Piedmont collided with a truck on a grade crossing in Mebane, North Carolina. Twelve people were injured.

On June 3, 2011, an Amtrak train collided with a Metra commuter train at Union Station, Chicago, Illinois. One of the trains derailed, five people were injured.

On June 24, 2011, a truck collided with the California Zephyr on a grade crossing near Reno, Nevada. At least six people were killed.

On July 11, 2011, the Downeaster collided with a garbage truck on a grade crossing in North Berwick, Maine and caught fire. The truck driver was killed.

On October 12, 2011, the San Joaquin overran signals and collided with the Coast Starlight in Oakland, California. Seventeen people were injured.

On November 29, 2012, the Silver Star collided with a dump truck on a grade crossing in Orlando, Florida. The truck driver was killed, seven passengers were injured.

On October 28, 2014, an Amtrak train collided with a truck on a grade crossing north of Lafayette, Indiana. Twenty-four people were injured.

On the evening of June 27, 2017, two CSX workers were fatally struck by a southbound Amtrak train approaching Union Station in Washington, D.C. after exiting a stopped freight train to check out a technical issue.

On January 14, 2018, Amtrak train 89 collided with a SUV that went around a lowered crossing arm in Whitakers, North Carolina, killing a pastor and his wife. There was no injuries reported on the train.

On January 16, 2018, an Amtrak Capitol Corridor train collided with a vehicle near Dixon, California, killing a 21-year old man. No injuries were reported on the train.

On January 31, 2018, a chartered train carrying Republican Party lawmakers from Washington, D.C. to a retreat in White Sulphur Springs, West Virginia collides with a garbage truck near Crozet, Virginia. One person confirmed dead.

and today's crash - NTSB is trying to figure it out - why was an AMTRAK train traveling so fast through a freight yard.. And for that matter, why was the Congressional Charter (subject of this thread) traveling so fast on a blind curve in a congested residential area?

On February 4, 2018, an Amtrak passenger "Silver Star" train travelling from New York to Miami, Florida collided with a CSX freight train at Cayce, South Carolina and was derailed. Two people were killed and more than 70 were injured amongst the eight crew and 139 passengers on board the Line 91 passenger train.

There have been derailments, not considered as "crashes" with other vehicles/trains

On June 10, 1971, the City of New Orleans derailed in Salem, Illinois due to a seized axle. Eleven people were killed, 163 were injured. Equipment failure.

On March 18, 1973, the Broadway Limited derailed in East Palestine, Ohio. One person was killed, nineteen were injured.

On August 12, 1974, the Silver Star derailed in Wake Forest, North Carolina. Twenty-eight people were injured.

On March 5, 1984, the Silver Star derailed in Kittrell, North Carolina due to a broken axle on a locomotive. Fifty-two people were injured.

On May 29, 1984, the Capitol Limited derailed in Connellsville, Pennsylvania due to a collapsed culvert. Twenty-three people were injured.

On July 7, 1984, the Montrealer derailed at Williston, Vermont due to a trackbed washout. Five people were killed, nearly 140 were injured.

On April 16, 1985, the California Zephyr derailed in Granby, Colorado due to a landslide. Thirty-two people were injured.

On October 9, 1986, Twelve cars derailed in rural south-central Wisconsin, killing a crewman and injuring at least 33 other people.

On December 12, 1990, the Night Owl derailed on a curve due to excessive speed and collided with a Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority passenger train in Back Bay, Boston, Massachusetts. Four hundred and fifty-three people were injured.

On July 31, 1991, the Silver Star derailed in Lugoff, South Carolina due to a set of points moving under the train. Eight people were killed, 76 were injured.

On April 29, 1992, the Colonial collided with a dump truck on a grade crossing in Newport News, Virginia and derailed. The truck driver was killed, 54 passengers were injured.

On August 12, 1992, the Colonial derailed near Newport News, Virginia due to sabotage of a set of points. Seventy-four people were injured.

On May 16, 1994, the Silver Meteor collided with an out of gauge freight train near Selma, North Carolina and derailed. One person was killed and 97 were injured.

On August 3, 1994, the Lake Shore Limited derailed in Batavia, New York. One hundred and eighteen people were injured.

On October 9, 1995, the Sunset Limited derailed in Palo Verde, Arizona due to sabotage. One person was killed, 78 were injured.

On September 11, 2001, the Texas Eagle collided with a Union Pacific freight train near Marshall, Texas and derailed. Six people were injured.

On April 18, 2002, a train derailed near Crescent City, Florida due to a track defect. Four people were killed, 142 were injured.

On July 29, 2002, the Capitol Limited derailed near Kensington, Maryland due to a track defect. Ninety-five people were injured.

On February 1, 2012, the Wolverine collided with a truck on a grade crossing in Leoni Township, Michigan and was derailed. Ten people were injured.

On October 21, 2012, the Wolverine derailed in Niles, Michigan due to excessive speed on a curve. Eight people were injured.

On March 9, 2015, the Carolinian collided with a truck on a grade crossing in Halifax, North Carolina and derailed. Fifty-five people were injured.

On May 12, 2015, the Northeast Regional derailed in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania due to excessive speed on a curve. Eight people were killed, more than 200 were injured.

On October 5, 2015, the Vermonter struck a landslide and derailed in Northfield, Vermont. Seven people were injured.

On March 14, 2016, the Southwest Chief derailed in Cimarron, Kansas after the track had been damaged by an agricultural vehicle. Twenty-eight people were injured.

On April 3, 2016, the Palmetto struck a backhoe obstructing the line and derailed in Chester, Pennsylvania. Two track workers were killed, 41 people were injured.

On July 2, 2017, the Cascades derailed in Steilacoom, Washington. Several passengers suffered minor injuries.

On December 18, 2017, Cascades train 501 derailed on a overpass of Interstate 5 in Pierce County, Washington, killing 3 and injuring more than 100 others.

Can't wait to take a trip on Nixon's Legacy rail system? Anyone yet take a look at who was (and what party) was in Congress and the WhiteHouse during periods of maximum crash/derailments? Coincidence? Conspiracy? or innocent "accidents" ?

[Bob]

The amount injured has been bumped to 116 and two dead, Amtrak employees.

I updated the above post with some history on Amtrak, who put the 'wheels in motion' (Nixon), and the 'track record' of derailments, and accidents of the Amtrak carrier system.

To be done, a cross-correlation analysis of political parties in power (both in Amtrak and Congress/Whitehouse), and budgetary manipulation to see if there have been conspiracies, or just "innocent" accidents.

[ZoSo925]

There something going on. There was just a train accident just the other week. Also that Hoboken New Jersey train accident the other year is suspicious also and was swept under carpet.

[Bill Ryan]

Did anyone catch this? (High-octane speculation here, as Joseph Farrell would say. :) )


https://8ch.net//qresearch/res/231311.html#231746

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>>230980 (last bread)
>Obviously the train slowed down so must have been warned…

I think it was warned.

Helicopter surveillance saw the truck and warned the engineer.

I'm guessing truck was kitty korner between the crossbucks with the back end (dumpster lift hydraulics boom) facing the oncoming train.

Train hits boom, spins truck around and rips body off the cab, leaving the cab at the crossing. Train drags truck body down the tracks until the body rolls off down the embankment.

Question is, if truck tried to run crossing, why didn't occupants flee cab when getting stuck, unless train hit the truck just as it was trying to run the crossing.?

Have to figure, though, if aerial surveillance sees truck and warns engineer, the truck had to have been there for a while, so why didn't occupants flee?

If the truck was there as a plant, the only sense I can make of it is that the occupants were patsies, i.e., they were told they were only going to force the train to stop, on the idea of an antifa protest.

I don't think surveillance would see a truck headed towards the crossing and tell the engineer to brake, assuming the truck would stop on the tracks. However, it could be that the access road was closed and any traffic was regarded as a danger.

Key is how fast does an amtrak train usually go through there, and how fast was this one going. If this train was slower, then why?
Q's response:


https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/231311.html#231813

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>>231746
Drone.
Re_read crumbs.
Q

[norman]

Alex Jones is interviewing his source called Zak.

Zak says that the number "91" , the number of the train, is a code number for all the deep state agents. The number 91 has been repeated a few times recently.

[Satori]

Wasn't "91" the number for Maxwell Smart's (played by Don Adams)partner and love interest (played by Babara Feldon) in the USA tv show Get Smart? For those who do not know, this tv show was about American spies fighting the evil forces of Chaos.

Never mind, it was 99. Not 91.

I should delete this post as stupid, but whatever.

[Bob]

Sabotage all along?

Federal officials focus on why railroad switch was set in the wrong position in S.C. Amtrak crash that killed 2

Who threw the switch?

Why would a train go so fast (read numerous trains so far) in areas that they should be going slowly, and watching diligently for anything out of the ordinary?

Is there a defect in the surveillance methods?

Why wouldn't as Bill points out, there be air surveillance for a train carrying so many officials, responsible for so many aspects of the US's operation? Will the Dems have such surveillance and what's the history behind "accidents" following the Dems around?


However, he added that investigators have been unable to recover the event data recorders from either train in part because of the extent of the damage.

Sumwalt said there was “. . . catastrophic damage to each of the locomotives,” adding that the Amtrak locomotive “. . . was not recognizable at all.”

https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dr-gridlock/files/2018/02/2300-amtrak-crash-sc-1-1.jpg

SIGNAL FAILURE (again)..


Anderson said CSX owns and controls the Columbia Subdivision tracks where the crash occurred and is responsible for overseeing the dispatching of trains and signal systems.

and consider, who is sabotaging (if that is the case), the signalling system for the rails? Is that a form of hacking happening (external sources), or internal sabotage.. or ?


Anderson said, adding, “. . . the signals and particularly the switches are controlled by CSX.”

He said he did not know the reason for the signal outage. Anderson said the Amtrak train would normally travel on the main line track, not the section of the track where the collision occurred.

“As I said, control of which train is on which track is within the authority of the dispatcher and the host railroad that controls the switch,” Anderson said.

Tom Allen, program manager for the South Carolina Office of Regulatory Staff, which oversees rail safety in the state, said the collision could have been the result of a switch issue that sent the Amtrak train away from the main track and toward the parked freight train. But he emphasized it will be up to federal investigators to determine the cause.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAgQsoPo-F0

[norman]

Wasn't "91" the number for Maxwell Smart's partner and love interest in the USA tv show Get Smart?

I dunno, but I think the Vegas massacre had a 91 to it, not that I've been keeping up with that lately. And there's another very recent "91" I didn't understand. Zak is sure it's a code command.

[Bob]

Researching - can train signals (and switches) be hacked?

ouch.. yes it seems

https://www.popsci.com/european-trains-vulnerable-to-hacking

Many of the risks stem from new, internet-dependent automated systems.

Motherboard reports:


The issues included lack of authentication protections, systems using very old operating systems, and hard-coded passwords for remote access.

There are also worrying design choices in the trains themselves, such as having entertainment devices for customers and engineering systems on the same network, meaning that accessing the former may lead to a compromise of the latter.

What a trophy for a hacker? If they managed to hack the Amtrak lines, especially causing Congress (Reps) harm.. Is that insidious or is that what happened?

The Independent in UK says British train lines are hacked at least 4 times a year !

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/uk-rail-network-railways-hacked-four-times-hackers-trains-a7135026.html


The UK rail network has been infiltrated in four major cyber attacks over the past year according to cyber security firm Darktrace.

Darktrace, the private firm responsible for the cyber safety of a large part of the UK rail network, hasn’t released much information on the nature of the attacks, or who was behind them, but has said they seemed to be exploratory rather than disruptive in intention.

This has, however, raised some fears for passenger security as experts say that hackers infiltrating the system to cause damage to the rail network is a real possibility.


"Sergey Gordeychik, a security researcher at Kaspersky Lab in Moscow, told Sky News that as well as being able to gain access to harmless things like information boards, hackers could access larger computer management systems that control tains and signals.

"Gordeychik said that if malicious hackers “have enough knowledge, then they can create real disaster related to train safety.“

"Dave Palmer, the chief technology officer of Darktrace, told the Telegraph “In an era of imperfect defences and increasingly complex networks, determined threats can always get in. Today, all businesses can be affected, regardless of size or sector.”

OK since CSX controls the switches are they secure, have they ever been hacked/assaulted in cyberspace?

YES - (oye)..

from - http://www.risidata.com/Database/P90


The Sobig computer virus was blamed for shutting down train signaling systems throughout the East coast of the US. The virus infected the computer system at CSX Corp.‘s Jacksonville, Fla., headquarters, shutting down signaling, dispatching and other systems at about 1:15 a.m. EDT, CSX spokesman Adam Hollingsworth said (#2).

Impact:
The Sobig infection resulted in a slowdown of major applications, including dispatching and signal systems. As a result, passenger and freight train traffic was halted immediately, including the morning commuter train service in the metropolitan Washington, D.C., area. The virus disrupted the CSXT telecommunications network upon which certain systems rely, including signal, dispatching and other operating systems. (#1)

According to Amtrak spokesman Dan Stessel, ten Amtrak trains were affected in the morning. Trains between Pittsburgh and Florence, S.C. were halted because of dark signals and one regional Amtrak train from Richmond, Va., to Washington and New York was delayed for more than two hours. Long-distance trains were delayed between four and six hours.

There were some residual delays in Amtrak service from Washington to Richmond, Va., and points south, ``Most of the delays are in the 15 to 30-minute range on trains that travel through CSX territory,’’ Stessel said. (#2)

Action Description: "CSX will work to protect its computer systems from further intrusion", Hollingsworth said. (#2)

Maybe CSX didn't really fix the problem and that CSX (the maintainer of the switches/signals) had been hacked with a backdoor just waiting for high value targets to pass thru the system.

This potentially looks bad.

(Note to Bill - this may be the smoking gun in the system, CSX's 2003 infiltration lain in a backdoor.. Considering the quantity of high value targets that travel from NY to DC and throughout the Amtrak system.. Possibly folks looking up more of the origin of the creators and deployers of the Sobig virus would help background research.. B.)

[KiwiElf]

This was just discussed on InfoWars Live with Insider Zach claiming it was indeed hacked.

A few days ago, "Q" cryptically alluded to this also in reference to (then) upcoming false flags with a symbol for 2 x parallel train tracks...

[Bob]

This was just discussed on InfoWars Live with Insider Zach claiming it was indeed hacked.

A few days ago, "Q" cryptically alluded to this also in reference to (then) upcoming false flags with a symbol for 2 x parallel train tracks...

:) Lots of folks read PA Kiwi :)

tracking back, in 2000, 3 years prior CSX was having switch and signal problems.

Here is the coincidence.. 3 years prior to SoBig, SendSafe was being deployed. Testing out apparently how to create payloads transferred by email to target computers.


3.4 Conjecture: Send-Safe and Sobig
The Send-Safe software appears to have direct links to the Sobig virus.

from security firm analyzing the patterns and code within, checking for who else uses that particular section of code snippets.. :


Within two days after Sobig was released, an estimated $50 million in damages were reported in the US alone.

China had reported over 30% of email traffic had been infected by Sobig, equivalent to over 20 million users!

After interrupting freight operations and grounding Air Canada, Sobig went on to cripple computing operations within even the most advanced technology companies, such as Lockheed Martin.

Sobig was so virulent that on November 5, 2003 Microsoft, in coordination with the FBI, Secret Service, and Interpol, setup the Anti-Virus Reward Program.

Backed by $5 million from Microsoft, the program offered a $250,000 bounty for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the Sobig author.

As the one year anniversary of the Anti-Virus Reward Program bounty for Sobig approaches, we felt this was an appropriate time to publicly release the current state of our Sobig forensic investigation.

Appropriately, the authors of this document have chosen to release it anonymously for many reasons, some of which are:

• By releasing the information publicly, we hope to increase tips to law enforcement concerning the Sobig authorship and spur efforts toward apprehension of the malware author(s);

• This document shows how computer forensics can identify virus authors. The computer forensic methods demonstrated throughout this document have been utilized to successfully identify authors of other viruses as well;

• Our focus is the objective analysis of Sobig. It is our contention, position, and belief that associating this paper with any specific company, organization, group, or individual will only serve to detract from the investigation.

and


Research indicates that Russlan Ibragimov of Moscow, Russia, and/or Ibragimov’s development team, authored the Sobig virus.

Ibragimov himself is the author of Send-Safe, a bulk mailing tool product that was explicitly
designed for sending unsolicited email (spam).

Our investigation will demonstrate:


• Advanced knowledge: Ibragimov has demonstrated an advanced knowledge of Sobig outbreaks.

• The releases of Send-Safe coincide with Sobig releases;

• New features in Send-Safe coincide with Sobig features;

• A specific spam group that use Send-Safe was observed relaying through Sobig-infected
systems as much as two weeks before the official outbreak.

This same group has been observed using specific versions of Send-Safe prior to public release (using pre-released software);

The time that the group was observed using Sobig (prior to public announcement) corresponds with the Internet Storm Center recording an increase in port scans for Sobig-infected systems.

• Necessary (coding) skills:
Based on the attributes and overall functionality of Sobig, the developer would require the following skills:
• Knowledge of Microsoft Visual C++;
• Self-compressing executables;
• Email and spam;
• Proxies.

Ibragimov has demonstrated these skills and knowledge: Send-Safe is a spam tool designed to send email using proxies, written in Microsoft Visual C++, and self-compressed. (Ibragimov developed Send-Safe)

• Source code access: Sobig and Send-Safe share a common source code base.

• Unique source code creates unique opcodes within the executable code.

Both the Sobig and Send-Safe software share large sections of common opcode
sequences, implying the same source code;

The common source code is used to both generate and send email;

• The email headers are unique to Send-Safe;

• Sobig includes code for an email header that it does not use.

This unused code appears in the same order as the Send-Safe executable – and the code is used in Send-Safe;

• Ibragimov has not publicly released the source code to Send-Safe (or any of his other
programs, to our knowledge).

Send-Safe predates Sobig by a few years, indicating Ibragimov had access to the original code base used to develop Sobig;

• Ibragimov has demonstrated a pattern of reusing source code.

Large blocks of opcodes found in Send-Safe appear in other programs created by Ibragimov.

• Plausible motive: As Send-Safe provides a list of open proxies to subscribers, there is a clear financial motive for Ibragimov to have created the Sobig worm.

• As Sobig opens additional ports, this provides more open proxies for Send-Safe subscribers.
Based on these items that have been identified, we contend that Ruslan Ibragimov, or Ibragimov’s development team, authored Sobig in order to support and extend the Send-Safe customer base.

Here is the security report:

http://www.oreilly.com/spamkings/WhoWroteSobig.pdf

It is logical to assume, there was a variant of SoBig on the CSX computers somewhere which then even if some of the CSX computers were "cleared" of the trojan/backdoor, that some still remained and proceeded to allow for a backdoor. (and could spread BACKWARDS one again into already cleared computers to re-infect; that is part of the network infiltration characteristic of this worm/spyware).

It is my belief the FBI/Secret Service should look at that report that potentially Ibragimov, or Ibragimov’s development team, authored Sobig in order to support and extend the Send-Safe basic code and to then potentially allow for a more current group to have access to the US Railway system.

Russian Hacking? or someone else using an old back door.

Who is Ibragimov ? where is he now, and would he have knowledge of the CSX backdoor hacks?

A dialog thought: I would want to ask our forum member TargeT if he has any familiarity of the SoBig trojan/backdoor system and maybe scratch heads as to the plausibility that someone besides Ibragimov's development team (or Ibragimov himself) would/could have anything to do with current hacking of the East Coast CSX/AMTRAK system.

==update==
SoBig it was explained by various anti-virus software companies, had an "expiration date". So ponder this, that "explanation" was focused upon a "fake" section of the code, a "decoy".. designed to spoof anti-virus companies to ignore a "time bomb".. something which would "wake up" eventually, opening up one of the hidden backdoors.. to allow for access.

If one managed to get such a payload installed on the computers, why would a spyware developer just let their access easily "expire"? It makes no sense to go to that effort and then just walk away..

Again, I think there is something very big.. with this CSX infiltration. And where else did So-Big hit?

[Bob]

Update from NTSB and Amtrak - CSX was indeed manipulating the switches manually, moving and unloading freight from the CSX train until about 2:45 am. The switch responsible for the routing of the main track onto the siding was left locked in place by a CSX employee, and there were no SIGNALS operating - the Amtrak train then diverted into the siding, crashing into the CSX train. With "running dark" *no signals operating (something crashed the signals), the Amtrak train should have been running about 49 mph according to rules or less (running in "dark territory"). Initial reports that the train was running 80 mph certainly seem incorrect but the transponders are so damaged, they can't be restored to reveal what the speed was. No signalling equipment was working on the main line, so no reporting could have been relayed to dispatch.

The CSX freight on the siding routed switch SHOULD have been manually switched back to the main track to NOT divert into the siding any main-line traffic. Dispatch had no way to know what that switch position was in with no signals operating.