Taurine for Macular Degeneration, Enlarged Heart (Heart Failure), Gallstones? [Archive]

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Bob

6th February 2018, 17:22

Certain types of heart disease and blindness may be effectively treated. Read-on please, the rest of the thread contains very valuable observations that Taurine, may well be a missing-link, key to our physical and mental health.

A common denominator in all the above (title) - there is a deficiency of L-Taurine in the diet. Certain types of heart disease and blindness may be effectively treated with a simple amino acid supplement.

Cats for instance without Taurine in their diet die pretty fast - what happens? Organ failure, brain failure, enlarged hearts, and they go blind..

And Taurine is found to be extremely high in the retinas. Without it the retina dies, starting at the center working its way to the outside - (describing Macular Degeneration, a leading cause of old-age related blindness).

Taurine needs go up when subjected to stress. Taurine deficiency could also be present with a pure vegetarian diet, although humans are able to produce taurine in some amounts naturally by breaking down foods. Cats can't survive without that supplement.

Is it toxic in excessive amounts? Some studies say don't over-do it, and some studies say since it is a water soluble vitamin, the body will use what it needs and then the extra amount will clear thru the urine.

What could be depleting Taurine in the body? Fluorides for one. (http://www.pathophysiologyjournal.com/article/S0928-4680(08)00027-8/fulltext) - The primary substance to deal with fluoride is TAURINE..

So what happens, we are "fluoride supplemented" to protect our teeth and the end result is the child ends up "blind" as an elderly adult.. (although macular degeneration CAN happen in younger folk too).

I took a look at a series of over the counter "vitamins" and didn't find ANY taurine in it. Odd..

I did see that taurine supplements are not recommended for children (but fluoride is? odd)..

Taurine costs are pretty reasonable, - a 500 milligram size (for an average adult) costs about 0.09 to 0.10 (9-10 cents) each.

And if one has had a massive level of fluorided water, one may find weakness, shortness of breath, and on chest x-rays, an enlarged heart may be found. With cats, getting enough taurine levels back up and the heart starts to reduce in size to NORMAL ! (amazing miracle there..)

Do humans have high stress levels? Do people who have had fluoride dosing (by helpful water supplies provided to the 'community' by the tap water they ingest) have higher incidence of disease? Are those people supplementing with eating raw organ meats (proper source of taurine for omnivores/carnivores) ? Are those people getting heart disease, tooth and gum disease (having false teeth put in, and towards the later years, start to go blind (things get dim, then the center-retina-blindness starts in, macular degeneration), and folks then mentally and physically fall apart.

And taurine is the missing link, that which the body uses to deal with the issues... And taurine is with-held from "modern society".

Cats especially need increases in Taurine when under stress, surgery, "battle" and survival issues.. Cats get their taurine from killing and eating raw their prey. Taurine is destroyed by heat/cooking.

I have a feeling, that humans are being depleted of Taurine deliberately (maybe stupidly, dunno) and dosed with fluorides, which taurine is the only amino acid supplement which is shown to detoxify the damage of fluoride and the end result is what we are seeing. Humans with heart disease, humans with organ failure, humans going blind (macular degeneration).

With cats, getting taurine levels up fast, and an enlarged heart can return to normal, and the organ failure they could be experiencing REVERSES.

I'm connecting dots here. I haven't seen others yet connect these dots, that macular degeneration/blindness in humans can be corrected in such an easy manner.. (and apparently, MANY OTHER diseases, including tinnitus !, can be treated, maybe 'cured'(?) )

It doesn't seem that Taurine supplementation will hurt, in non-excessive dosing.. and it may be a miracle treatment for some of the most scary issues that the elderly run into...

Macular degeneration is considered "in-curable". Wouldn't it be interesting if there could be shown, with taurine supplementation, and dealing with fluoride toxicity, vision may be restored? Enlarged hearts could be restored?

Just wondering out loud.. these 'dots' need to be looked at.

--blessings

Bob

6th February 2018, 18:52

Code: TAU1

50 x 500mg capsules. L-Taurine is an amino acid best known for empowering bile acids that clear cholesterol from the body.

L-Taurine can also help with gallstones, macular degeneration in the retina and epilepsy.

L-Taurine can lower blood pressure and help shield the heart from harm and fight cellular troublemakers that can damage the heart.

L-Taurine is also important to the development of the central and visual nervous systems and can help to offset the effects of drinking alcohol on the brain.

L-Taurine is found in meat and other animal products. People who are strict vegetarians, who consume no meat products, need to supplement their Taurine intake.

ref: https://www.lovelyhealth.com/index.php/l-taurine.html

Bob

6th February 2018, 18:59

From Mercola - on Taurine

Taurine is an antioxidant amino acid that stabilizes cell membranes, particularly the cells of the skeletal muscle, the heart, the central nervous system, and white blood cells. Taurine makes the cells of the body more resilient to free radical attack. Although a minimal level of taurine is included in foods, taurine is easily depleted in stressed pets or pets with intestinal dysfunction. Taurine plays a very important role in neutralizing toxins produced by dysbiotic bacteria in the gut. This amino acid is also very important in the metabolism and excretion of xenobiotics.

Taurine is also an important component of bile, which the body produces to digest fat. Adequate bile production is critical for killing intestinal parasites and yeast, and assists in the removal of fat-soluble toxins and oxidized cholesterol.

Bob

6th February 2018, 19:16

From Life Extension Research - http://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2013/6/the-forgotten-longevity-benefits-of-taurine/page-01 (Great article !)

The Japanese have a life expectancy that is among the highest in the world. In fact, Okinawa, Japan’s famous “Island of Longevity,” likely has the world’s highest percentage of people over 100 years old.

Undoubtedly, there are many factors that play into the life spans of the longest-living populations, but evidence shows that they all have one thing in common: high dietary intake of an amino acid called taurine.

The connection between taurine and a long life is so strong that researchers have dubbed taurine, “The nutritional factor for the longevity of the Japanese.”

Taurine promotes cardiovascular health, insulin sensitivity, electrolyte balance, hearing function, and immune modulation. In animal research, taurine protected against heart failure, reducing mortality by nearly 80%.

Its benefits are so broad and extensive that scientists have described taurine as “a wonder molecule.”

Taurine is found abundantly in healthy bodies. However, certain diets, particularly vegetarian or vegan diets, lack adequate amounts of taurine. Disease states—including liver, kidney, or heart failure, diabetes, and cancer—can all cause a deficiency in taurine. And aging bodies often cannot internally produce an optimal amount of taurine, making supplementation vital.

That’s why those interested in longevity should consider this vital and super low-cost nutrient. In this article, you’ll learn how boosting taurine levels can contribute to better cardiovascular, metabolic, and neurologic health.

Why We Need Supplemental Taurine

In the enthusiasm to investigate new longevity compounds, sometimes the importance of venerable ones that have been around for decades is forgotten. Such is the case of taurine. Foundation members used to get taurine as part of multi-nutrient formula, but this product is not as popular as it once was.

A study released in November 2012 made the bold statement that taurine is one of the most essential substances in the body. The authors wrote: “Considering its broad distribution, its many cytoprotective attributes, and its functional significance in cell development, nutrition, and survival, taurine is undoubtedly one of the most essential substances in the body.”

Although it’s possible for your body to produce taurine on its own, you still need to obtain taurine through diet and supplementation in order to achieve optimal amounts of this essential nutrient.

Because of taurine’s essential role in the body, supplementing with taurine can provide numerous health benefits, including restoring insulin sensitivity, mitigating diabetic complications, reversing cardiovascular disease factors, preventing and treating fatty liver disease, alleviating seizures, reversing tinnitus, and more.

Taurine Prevents Obesity

One of the ways taurine can help improve overall health is by fighting obesity. Obesity impacts every area of the body, especially because of the inflammation-generating abdominal fat stores. Human studies show that 3 grams per day of taurine for 7 weeks reduced body weight significantly in a group of overweight or obese (but not-yet-diabetic) adults. Subjects saw significant declines in their serum triglycerides and “atherogenic index,” a ratio of multiple cholesterol components that predicts atherosclerosis risk.

Various animal studies support the anti-obesity and lipid-lowering capabilities of taurine, both alone and combined with other natural products. These studies highlight taurine’s ability to improve glucose tolerance in obese animals, an important benefit given how many overweight people go on to develop diabetes.

Perhaps most alarming, animal research reveals that obesity itself causes a decline in plasma taurine levels, which, in a vicious cycle, further promotes obesity. The observed decline in taurine levels was seen in mouse models of both genetic obesity and diet-induced obesity. Fortunately, in the same study, taurine supplementation interrupted the cycle, helping to prevent obesity and its consequences.

Taurine Promotes Glucose Control—and Treats Diabetes

It is a known fact that taurine concentrations are lower among diabetics than they are in healthy individuals. Given the above information about low taurine levels promoting obesity, it is clear that the low levels of taurine only serve to promote the interdependence of diabetes and obesity. Fortunately, human studies have shown that supplementing with just 1.5 grams of taurine a day can restore taurine levels to those in healthy control subjects, and additional animal research has shown that taurine supplementation can help prevent the onset of type II diabetes.

Normal taurine concentrations are essential in controlling diabetes and the impact of its consequences. Animal studies have found that having adequate taurine concentrations helps control diabetes by reducing blood glucose and restoring insulin sensitivity. But it doesn’t stop there. Taurine helps prevent—and even reverse—many of the consequences associated with the disease.

For example, in adult diabetics, supplementation with 1.5 grams of taurine daily for just 14 days can reverse diabetes-induced abnormalities in arterial stiffness and in the ability of the vasculature to respond to changes in blood flow or pressure. This can be critical to the longevity of diabetics, since these types of abnormalities are to blame for diabetics’ increased risk of dying from cardiovascular disease. In addition, studies in diabetic rats show that taurine helps protect heart function and helps prevent heart muscle damage, due in part to the ability of taurine to increase glucose transport from blood into energy-hungry heart muscle cells. In the process of increasing glucose transport into energy producing cells, blood glucose levels are lowered.

Additional animal and cell culture studies have revealed that taurine supplementation is effective against diabetic complications as well. Taurine supports nerve fiber integrity, potentially slowing or reversing painful diabetic neuropathy. And in the retina, another target of destructive elevated blood glucose, taurine fights glucose-induced oxidant stress and preserves the health of light-sensing cells in diabetic retinopathy. Kidney damage, another consequence of diabetes, can be minimized with taurine supplementation in diabetic animals.

AND our foods are woefully over-processed to remove taurine, heat (cooking) destroys taurine. And it is not supplemented in the over-the-counter "vitamins".

AND we are given toxins (Fluorides) which make the body use up ALL the taurine trying to deal with the poisons..

Interesting? Connecting dots? And we die, from "eating" what we think is good food (its not when provided by "big pharma, or big industry")... And we then "feed the medical establishment" to 'treat' and maintain our maladies. Sounds like racketeering to me..

Desire

6th February 2018, 19:21

Great info Bob. I'm getting some.

Bob

6th February 2018, 19:24

Great info Bob. I'm getting some.

The Life Extension Research article (above, especially describes dose levels, AND some amazing things that are touched base on - overweight, pre-diabetes, numerous types of organ failures, oddities like gall bladder disease).. that article is amazing..

Bob

6th February 2018, 19:39

Who these days doesn't have some measure of Tinnitus? Look at the data on Taurine and Tinnitus - very interesting stuff..

Taurine Helps Reverse Tinnitus

Taurine plays a vital role in hearing. In fact, studies have found that in some cases, taurine can reverse the biochemical processes behind hearing loss. Other studies have demonstrated that taurine can almost completely eliminate the ringing in the ears associated with tinnitus.

Much of the damage to hearing occurs not in the mechanical parts of the ear, but rather in the nerve cells that convert sound waves into the electrical energy that is perceived in our brains. Like other nerve cells, these so-called “hair cells” depend on the flow of calcium ions into and out of the cell. Taurine helps restore and control normal calcium ion flow in auditory cells.

Taurine improves the hearing ability in animals exposed to drugs like the antibiotic gentamicin, which is notoriously toxic to hearing. And in a boon for the 17% of us troubled by chronic tinnitus (ringing in the ears), taurine may be helpful in quieting the noise.

Animal studies using human equivalent doses of 700 mg to 3.2 grams per day of taurine over the course of several weeks demonstrate near-complete resolution of tinnitus with taurine supplementation (the animals had been trained in tasks that are sensitive to distraction by tinnitus). And a human pilot study has shown encouraging results, with 12% of people responding to taurine supplementation.

--- Wow..

Bob

6th February 2018, 19:49

Need more information :) - here is a list of 80 references (Life Extension Research provided this list)

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It seems to me, that this substance, this amazing amino-acid supplement, Taurine, something that many pharmacists and conventional doctors have most likely NEVER heard of (probably for a good reason if we were to follow the health conspiracy), is most likely something which will due to its extremely low cost and seeming ability to assist with numerous issues, help many.

An elderly body, without the proper nutrients needed to regenerate starts to collapse. Would Taurine also trigger the built-in repair mechanisms (within our DNA, our Gene Code) for the body? If the mind is sound, wouldn't having more years to gain more skills and wisdoms be worth it to pass onto our children, grand-children and great grand children? Why not?

Bob

6th February 2018, 20:06

The Study on Taurine to clear fluoride induced toxicity (Fluoride is a poison, taurine clears it).

http://www.pathophysiologyjournal.com/article/S0928-4680(08)00027-8/fulltext

"taurine protects mouse hepatocytes (liver cells) against fluoride-induced cytotoxity."

Along with other toxic effects, fluoride accumulation induces oxidative stress causing significant alternation in the activities of some enzymes.

Taurine usually exhibited protective action in vitro at various concentrations depending on the nature of toxicity.

Taurine has been shown to be involved in many important functions including neuro development, membrane stabilization, detoxification, antiarrythmic action, regulation of calcium homeostasis, anticonvulsion, protein phosphorylation and antioxidation.

(People have been having arrythmias increase in recent years, and medicos have been prescribing highly toxic drugs advocating cardiac surgery (burning/damaging pacing tissues), all that may have been needed is to start Taurine supplementation in the proper amounts to revert the damage, clear the toxins)

quick summary - Taurine provided cyto-protection against fluoride induced toxicity.

Bob

6th February 2018, 20:30

Worried about 'everything', world coming to the end, economy crashing, etc..

It could be one is deficient in Taurine.

Article from http://theconversation.com/what-is-taurine-and-how-can-it-improve-psychosis-68747 - "The Conversation"

(Getting off the psych drugs..)

In our recent study, published in the Journal of Clinical Psychiatry, we tested whether supplementing standard treatment with taurine would improve cognition and other mental health symptoms in young people who had experienced their first psychotic episode.

A psychotic episode is an episode of psychosis, an umbrella term that represents a range of severe mental health symptoms.

The most notable is a loss of contact with reality where someone perceives things that are not real (known as hallucinations) or holds beliefs not based in reality (known as delusions).

Our results showed people given taurine had significantly improved overall mental health symptoms, including those of psychosis, compared to those given placebo. People given taurine also showed improvement in depression symptoms and overall social and occupational functioning.

People experiencing psychosis commonly have impairments in cognitive function including reduced concentration, memory, and problem solving ability. We found no difference in cognitive function between the group given taurine and placebo.

But taurine was found to be both safe and well tolerated.

Antipsychotic medication is the first line treatment for psychosis, but it is not always effective, with a proportion of patients experiencing ongoing symptoms or unwanted side effects.

... and

A study conducted in 1977 suggested taurine may help reduce severe psychiatric symptoms such as delirium, hallucinations and mental impairment.

In the study, 22 patients undergoing treatment for alcohol withdrawal were given one gram of taurine three times a day over seven days. They experienced fewer psychiatric symptoms compared to a historical comparison group who hadn’t received taurine.

Taurine concentrations have been shown to be decreased in people with schizophrenia, a condition in which people experience constant symptoms of psychosis. Higher levels of taurine in the frontal cortex – an area of the brain associated with cognition – of people with schizophrenia, were found to be associated with better cognitive functioning, specifically faster information processing.

The effects of taurine have also been tested on patients with health conditions including depression, heart disease, diabetes, growth retardation and an eye disease called retinal degeneration.

This historical evidence suggested taurine was worth investigating as a potential complementary treatment for first-episode psychosis.

Bob

6th February 2018, 20:46

OK, I have tinnitus, and have had it since having a firecracker explode near my head when I was 10.

I tried the Taurine, just a small amount, 500 milligrams about 3 hours ago, and I am experiencing a marked decrease in the multi-spectral 'whistle'. (and I feel a sensation of 'happier' inside, like optimism is a better sensation than cynicism or pessimism)..

Something is happening in a positive way I think. As I consider myself also overweight for my height, I am eager to see if that can be helped too.

I'll up the level to the levels suggested by the Life Extension Research group (post 4 above) slowly and look at my weight for the next month..

(PS - I've also reduced the audio level on my screens and players from 20 down to 8, and even 8 seems a bit 'loud', so there definitely is some improvement in being able to hear better too).

-- updating --
Where I lived back east a long time ago and the water was also highly fluorided, and chlorinated (and a bit brackish as the town used relatively contaminated artesian wells for its community water). My first home had of all things, lead pipes until such was replaced with copper pipes but soldered with lead solder.. And the house was painted with lead paint. You can imagine what a 3 year old would do with window sills just inviting one to chew on them.. (strange attraction)..

Dad died of heart disease plus developed a type of ADHD which he wasn't able to deal with - awful watching that.. At about 14 I started researching what I called anti-aging supplements..

I found the cysteine compounds and started taking them. I also researched the most potent sulfur based compound stronger than taurine, or even cysteine, and experimented with it. I was able to reverse the damage from the lead and fluorides.. I didn't know about taurine at the time, or I would have used it to help clear the tinnitus.

ErtheVessel

7th February 2018, 00:48

Daozen

7th February 2018, 01:18

Taurine is good. Vegetarians don't get enough of it. It's often paired with Coq10 to treat heart failiure. It cna help calm the nerves too. I've been taking it on and off since 2010. Its safe in reasonable doses. Can help male performance too.

Threads like these could end up helping thousands of people.

Bob

7th February 2018, 02:32

Bob

7th February 2018, 02:42

Thanks for all this info, Bob.

My father went blind from macular degeneration several years before he died. It was pretty tragic and really seemed to break his spirit to go blind. I hope this info you've provided can help someone avoid that fate.

My father had been taking a pharmaceutical drug (quinidine) for a number of years for a heart condition. At some point they changed him to a different drug without really explaining why. As my mother aged, she developed a similar heart condition and asked her doctor if she couldn't just take quinidine, too. She was told that they don't use quinidine anymore, that they have "better drugs now." This prompted me to do some investigating on the internet and I discovered that research on quinidine had determined that it could actually be causative in macular degeneration. No medical personnel every admitted to this, however.

I'm thinking, based on the info you've provided here, as well as my own thoughts and experience, that there might be certain drugs that actually seriously deplete l-taurine in the body and cause a kind of cascade of problems. And how would any of us know?

I'm glad to know it seems to be helping your tinnitus. I think I may offer it to a friend who is troubled with tinnitus, too, and maybe try some myself for my eye health.

Thank you for sharing. (sigh..)

I do agree certain drugs, and my feelings having seen the studies now of Fluoride what it does, that being present in our water will eventually deplete the essential locations in the body, such as HEART and RETINAS (eye).. I could feel cynical, and believe it was deliberate by someone who realized 100 years ago, if we supplemented with Taurine, we most likely wouldn't be getting sick (adding Ascorbic acid and some Cysteine and Glutamine to our diets..) Medicos would flip out if they lost ALL their business..

Seems to me, they HAD to put poisons in our drinking water and convince us its good for us. Herve' has created some good Glyphosate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyphosate) threads explaining some of the Monsanto disasters, and I have pointed out the Spider Genes/toxins gene spliced into our foods start creating Leaky Gut Syndrome.. Seems to me, just connecting dots, and understanding CORPORATE GREED, that there is a vested interest out there, to keep people stuck in the medical system.. USING specifically un-education, or stupifying the public - thereby the phd's and medico's can be our masters.. Creating a system where people CAN'T treat themselves - if The People are appropriately aware they wouldn't need the phd's and medico's direction of our very lives and minds..

Sorry for the soapbox rant.. I am just taken aghast so many times at discoveries so long ago, hidden, and pushed under the carpet, and people die and get stuck pleading with the SYSTEM, trying to figure out how they are going to PAY for mandated "health care" (to be dispensed by the 'system' which keeps us enslaved and crippled)..

On your mom and dad. Can I assume there is a high fluoride dispersal into the drinking water?

I just got off the phone today, with a good friend, who lives in a town with very high fluoride dispersal into the water. Both his mom and dad have similar symptoms, from Macular Degeneration to heart diseases.. Both are still alive, and he himself, has had the cardiac arrythmias.. Seems the common denominator is taurine depletion due to fluoride plus extreme stress..

Olaf

7th February 2018, 08:30

Dr. Kuklinski, one of Germans oldest and best experts for vitamins about macular degeneration

The eye has to be supplied with all substances, that are needed in the eye and that might be missing:

• Vitamin E containing all 8 vitaminers (wheat germ oil)
• Zinc and magnesium (they must not be in short supply)
• Vitamin A
• Vitamin C
• Taurine
• Vitamin B6
• lecithin (inositol which is a B vitamin in lecithin)
• Vitamin B1

Nutrition:
- consume every day 150 g of kale, spinach or broccoli (they supply the substances lutein and zeaxanthin, which the macula consists of. For the same amount 1 kg of carrots would be needed daily.) (University of Jena, 2012, also doi:10.1016/j.abb.2014.11.012)
- Low carbohydrate, high in fat

Curcumin effectively inhibits angiogenesis, unwanted neovascularization, e.g. in cancer, wet macular degeneration

Thus, macular degeneration, glaucoma can completely disappear.
With this treatment he has documentated 17 healed patients already several years ago.

Desire

7th February 2018, 15:33

Don't be sorry for your "rant". You speak the truth unlike the pharmaceutical companies .:clapping:

Bob

8th February 2018, 00:48

I've upped the Taurine ingestion today to 500 mg ( a capsule) from a fresh bottle. (the earlier test used a bottle which was a few years old, not past 'expiration' but not fresh).. Within an hour these effects were noted:

Left ear which was not closest to the firecracker explosion, is experiencing periods of no multi-spectral whistle (like about 15 kilohertz for me for the top end, and about 10 kilohertz for the low end).., sorta like in waves. Right ear maybe a 25% diminishing of the whistling harmonics
Normally late afternoon into evening, if I have been on the computer, or experiencing 'eye strain' I'll get a double vision. Especially after a lot of reading on the computer :( such as tons of forum posts, there will be a persistent double vision (one image below the other).. Taking off the glasses when the double vision happens, and the extra image is above, the normal image.. I attribute this to muscle strain because of wearing "progressive" corrective lenses (nearsighted/astigmatism).. And my lenses physically are very narrow, not big old wide 60's round style :)... So the optical zone for near, mid and far are within 1/4 to 1/2 inch of each other, and the wrong "zone" frequently I use to see thru, making the eye muscles really get stressed.

Observation - perfect vision right now, no double, and very clear crisp contrasts.. that hardly ever happens on its own..

Only change 500 mg fresh Taurine (with adequate water).

I assume the muscle weakness is being addressed by the Taurine supplement.

2 days testing for such change is pretty fast I think.

I am eager to suggest the formula that OLAF (post #16 above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101645-Macular-Degeneration-Enlarged-Heart--HeartFailure--Gallstones-treatable-----&p=1206710&viewfull=1#post1206710)) posted.

However Olaf, one would need the correct milligram levels of the substances in your supplement list. Some items can be bio-toxic, I believe, like excessive A or B6. (B6 toxicity, taking too much or the wrong type can induce neuropathy (nerve issues), and/or tingling or finger or leg numbness for instance).. With Vitamin E I have seen mixed experiences with my own experimentation, where a small amount for a day or two is great, but regularly and I get heart issues and "shocky" due to blood pressure being lowered too much (E widens the blood vessels). The right amount of B1 (thiamine) works great, but too much too often I have found will push the other B vitamins out of ratio, and a see-saw happens, and getting stabilized I have found is a bit delicate if the B ratios go out..

So for me, a suggested dose level, and a duration of such use would be helpful.. Excessive amounts worries me, as well as out-of-balance ratios.. I'll pass that then onto the 3 people that I know with the three conditions (which to me are saying fluoride toxicity, as described in my earlier posts), heart failures/enlarged heart/arrythmias, Macular degeneration, and early onset dementia/Alzheimers-like mind..

Thanks ! :)

avid

8th February 2018, 05:14

Wow! Thanks Bob, amazing thread. Our area is fluoridated, and now is being compromised by the addition of ironore contaminated borehole water, as the fresh lake water we normally get has been commandeered by a local nuclear decontamination place. People are becoming terribly ill, rashes, digestive problems etc. The hardness of the water has increased drastically damaging appliances. Pets are refusing tap water, and aquaria fish have died. United Utilities have tested for quality and insist it’s safe to drink, but when one looks at what they are NOT including in their tests, it’s evident they are hiding something.

An anti-fluoride expert stated that the fluoridating toxic waste was reacting with the new contaminants causing even more toxicity. This is with our members of Parliament now, and legal issues are arising. Bottom line, they are wanting to bury nuclear waste in unsuitable geological locations, ie unused mines where the water tables are compromised due to seepage between old workings, often undersea. The area they want to build/bury mostly is beneath the fresh water lake, and they need that lake water for a proposed new nuclear power station near the reprocessing plant.
So, the addition of taurine into the local diet would be amazing. The area has one of the largest obese populations, many many alzheimers/dementia sufferers, and macular degeneration is commonplace. Type 2 diabetes is also commonplace.

Sorry to seem to go off topic, but I’m also ‘joining the dots’. Thanks again.

Olam

8th February 2018, 13:29

I have been taking this multivitamin for 2 months now and its great. Good B complex and antioxidants.
Will try to add taurine soon...
Doses seem good...
https://www.vitashop.ca/multivitamins/7965-multi-v-min-120-vcaps.html

Bob

8th February 2018, 17:21

Day 3 - the multi-spectral sounds (ringing/whistling) in the right ear is gone today, 2 hours after taking the Taurine pill (500 milligrams size), the left ear has the same level as yesterday, or maybe slightly less. There is still a type of pulsation, where the sound momentarily gets louder, then quieter, which could be changes in blood pressure on the nerves.

Energy level is good, and all night I didn't have any congestion. Mucous secretions then throughout the body seem to be better than before, so overall body stress appears to be reduced. I do use the magnesium bicarbonate regularly (see the How to Make Magnesium Bicarbonate thread in this subforum for that and the benefits of the bicarbonate supplementation).

Same thing with the eyes, without the taurine, there is a stress to the eye muscles from the progressive eye glasses and close in reading. And with the taurine, within a couple hours after ingestion, the eye muscles are able to respond properly, and double images disappear, eye focusing is then perfect.

avid

8th February 2018, 20:41

Will daily imbibement of my home-made colloidal silver solution affect efficacy? I take this alongside yakult lactobacillus.
In retrospect, having reviewed my daily input of balancing vitamins/minerals/medications and trying to enhance/cancel out bits of lifestyle, it’s a wonder I haven’t imploded/exploded 😱 Sorry Bob, for every action is there an equal and opposite reaction?
I really need L-Taurine, as it would cancel out loads of my ‘corrective’ substances, or at least limit them. I am following your progress avidly. Many thanks....

Bob

8th February 2018, 23:03

I found myself prior to lunch time doing a lot of physical work, with very good mental clarity, not finding any 'fogging' after doing said. Normally I would assume with some toxicity in the fats, when they start getting consumed for "energy" the toxins within would start coming out and circulating (ergo the 'brain fog').. Alertness and calmness at the same time, so it appears that the other characteristics reported by others on the perceived psyche benefits do seem to be there. Everything 'bodily' seems to be working properly, maybe a bit better.. I see no problem with probiotics, nor collodial silver being in any way in conflict with Taurine; it may be possible that collodial silver requirements drop with taurine in the diet. (in other words the immune system is doing much better with the good food utilization happening.).

With the increased energy, my guess is take it gently and don't over do like going out and walking for 18 kilometers at the outset if one is feeling super energized... work up to things gradually, see how it goes gently.

Bob

10th February 2018, 05:57

16 hours after the last capsule and tinnitus is now 98 % reduced in both ears. Also noticing an increased in ability to sense/taste lots more subtle flavors.. Also smell ability to detect smaller amounts of fragrances has been increased too. Energy level is still up after 16 hours, no break really to just chill (normally at 4PM tea-time/siesta would be hitting, and with Taurine, no afternoon crash in energy level seems to be happening).

I keep turning down the audio on the various multi-media centers. It just doesn't require a lot of sensory drive any more. Which is kinda amazing..

I'll try going to 1 gram per day next week, just wanting to look at a baseline lowest level possible before increasing to see what if anything changes. I've reported what I've noticed so far with 500 milligrams per day. I certainly like the improved food flavors :)

Bob

10th February 2018, 20:50

Next day another 500 mg..

Woke up in the morning with 50% tinnitus, assuming that I had been pressing on the 5th nerve, teeth/gums were kinda uncomfortable.. But after having some water, morning breakfast and the taurine within an hour, the multi-spectral ringing sensation was gone in the left ear 100% and in the right ear, that same slow pulsation, matching the bp rise and fall with the heartbeat, and about 90% clearance. It clearly seems to be working with blood flow and looking at resetting the cranial nerves.. Not sure exactly if its from proper nutrition, or respiration (o2 in co2 out) at the nerve's muscles, going to look into that mechanism further..

Monday going to increase to 1 gram a day (500 mg per capsule, one time in the morning with breakfast and one 500 mg capsule in the evening at dinner time) and see how and or what changes, if any.

==update==

I decided to try the 'oh what the heck' approach (mistake), and tried 1 gram all at once (a later post in this thread describes 24 hours after doing that in depth).. should have tried the 500 milligrams in the morning 500 milligrams at nite like I was going to.. (dohh)...

pyrangello

11th February 2018, 15:50

They wanted to increase the fluoride in my small town a few years back . So I spent some time researching the history of fluoride. Here's some of the things I found. Fluoride is a waste bi product of metal. The DuPont Corp was manufacturing this stuff before ww2. They had a plant on the east coast of the United States that had an explosion during that time. Plume of fluoride gas went up and came back down on the peach trees and farm animals from the rain.peaches died,chickens died, and horses and cows couldn't stand. Farmers didn,t sue until after ww2. From what I understand the fluoride was being given to the jews in high doses before the gas chambers,sounds like a horror movie doesn't it.but there more.

After ww2 they started using fluoride in rat and mice poison, that is until someone got the brilliant idea of the let's put it in the water for people to Drink. And that lawsuit from the farmers did get launched after ww2 only the us govt hired the attorney from DuPont as their official rep saying fluoride was now safe so the lawsuit went nowhere.

Now back to the history of fluoride, so after ww2 and mice and rat poison someone decided we should be adding this to our water for the sole purpose of protecting our teeth.So now the govt says we are suppose to drink this crap everyday for our teeth where by drinking this it effects all of our organs and our entire body,that makes a lot of sense. But just so nobody sues the toothpaste companies for putting fluoride in that,there is a warning on the back of every tube containing fluoride that if you swallow a large amount of toothpaste with fluoride CONTACT YOUR POISON CONTROL CENTER.go look for yourself right now.

So how INSANE does this sound. But wait there's more. So then they decided to put fluoride in the water , there was to be a 13 year study done with 2 towns here in Michigan. They added the fluoride to the water the first year to these 2 towns and in year 2 put it in 70 cities across the US. In year 3 of the study they cancelled the study all together. 66 percent of the US population consumes fluoride everyday, the US also has the highest amounts of hip fractures per capita in the world, and believe me when the elderly fall it seems like they always fracture their hips here.

I've read where fluoride effects to our 3rd eye area and the pineal gland, keeping our gifted awareness in the sewer along with many other agendas.

Bob

11th February 2018, 23:54

Today's been great. Had enough energy that 3 hours sleep was enough - that's interesting for me, prior to the Taurine, 5-7 hours seemed about right. Tinnitus is currently zero both sides.

I looked around here in the mountains, some of the neighbors in the community who have had Macular degeneration in their family or are suffering themselves. In the mountains, shallow wells usually are the drinking water source. And there is a LOT of natural Fluoride from rocks (fluorites).

From https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/cdphe/community-water-fluoridation - Community Water Fluoridation policy of Colorado - here is their opening "statement"

The Oral Health Unit, in collaboration with the Safe Drinking Water Program, administers the community water fluoridation program ensuring that the addition of fluoride is in accordance with the latest scientific, dental and health guidelines.

A letter from Congress, signed by Diana DeGette, Wayne Allard (senator), and Ken Salazar (senator) commended Colorado for fluoridating its drinking water. (https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/sites/default/files/PW_OH_Congress-Letter-to-CDA-on-Fluoridation-March-2005-1.pdf). (2005).

Back to the community member, an elderly lady, still quite spunky and a young 93 has Macular Degeneration. I looked at where she had lived in the mountains, and the whole area is highly rich in Fluorite rocks. Another younger lady, about 2 miles away, using natural well water, 68 additionally is going blind similarly Macular degeneration - common denominator, separate wells, but HIGH FLUORIDE from the fluorite laden rocks. Her husband has COPD pulmonary disease. Her mother recently died, a type of Dementia and Alzheimers.. Common denominator, fluoride in the water.

avid

12th February 2018, 15:29

My supplies of taurine from a quality source arrived today. Took a 500mg capsule mid-morning. Fingers crossed for noticeable improvements..... I’m keeping notes.
Wondering if lack of a gall-bladder will cause any problems.

Bob

12th February 2018, 16:05

Shouldn't be any problem. Woke up today 3 hours sleep seemed to be enough once again, apparently no need to de-toxify muscle wastes, but I forced myself to snuggle up under the covers. Its been getting down to 10 F (-12 C) continually every night, so keeping the fire going is good exercise.. sensitivity to cold, seems to be less sensitive, even though the nerves are more responsive, meaning they don't continually fire off (miserably).. randomly and in a hyper-way.

That's an interesting concept about nerves firing off continually. Folk seem to self medicate to try to deaden nerves when they are worrying, or being stressed.. So they may supplement with GABA to naturally calm down (the natural internal regulatory neural receptor substance). Of course, external plants are used, "teas" too.. (But the internal natural regulator to the nerve assault is GABA.)

Taurine works with internal GABA to evoke the calming effects on the nerves.. So, "terror feelings", hopeless-ness, "world's ending" anxiety can fade away just as easily as tinnitus fading away. So is that beneficial? It seems to me that is VERY beneficial in helping one find CENTER, and get one's thoughts clear.

avid

12th February 2018, 19:30

Funnily enough, I drink camomile tea at night, always seems to work well with me.
Regarding positivity, need to assess reactions, as was awarded a special mug for services to Seroxat aeons ago, so I know the need for SSRI’s. Winter and darkness have negative affects on one’s psyche, so spring is upon us now...
If I am at odds with your observations, please let me know.

Bob

12th February 2018, 19:54

Haven't seen any different observations Avid.

Monday:
What I am noting today, with 1 gram of Taurine is I don't like 1 gram for my metabolism and food intake.

I now have about 50% of the tinnitus back, which says to me there is an ideal amount of taurine needed to balance excessive nerve firing.. What the extra amount is doing is getting me "more energy" than I need, sorta like having a strong coffee..

With only 500 milligrams that seems to be ideal for me.

So the feeling is the amount for one's exercise level, plus food intake should be customized. If one isn't concerned about clearing up tinnitus, but is more concerned about getting Taurine back into the RETINAS, possibly then the higher amounts would be good.

I took the 1 gram (two caps) at the same time (having changed my earlier thought), but possibly dividing the intake into one in the evening an one at night would have been good.

I'll try that tomorrow to see how that feels.

Also there are some weight reduction regimes which call for 3 grams per day for 2 weeks. I am not going to try that personally yet as I am looking at the tinnitus results first.

avid

12th February 2018, 20:28

Spread the load, as I was watching for your earlier link, where 1.5 gms was recommended.
However, I take all meds first thing with clear earl grey tea with sugar. I realise one needs to intersperse with food, and liquids. I left 3 hours space until 500gm taurine, then had salad lunch, then 3.30pm would take another taurine. but not yet.... Will give it a couple of days to settle.
As you’ve said before, gently, gently.... 👍👍👍
Some folk are stuffing to get weight loss, in fact, lots of ads pertain to fitness fanatics, which worried me. Not now, we choose to be sensible and take it slow. Onwards and upwards. 👍

Bob

12th February 2018, 20:49

Ya, I like to with anything start gentle and test to see where the threshold kicks in and then tailor up or down to ride within the window. I would have had one at nite, but I wanted to see if kicking in a larger amount at the outset would change things - it did, pushing past the "window" to get the nerves/muscles operating optimumly.. It's non a toxic substance so when the excess wears off, the tinnitus should stop and then when the amount drops below the threshold, until the nerves are sufficiently "healed", pbly would come back through out the sleep time cycle. Curious to see how sleep goes tonite with the added amount of Taurine. As is, that coffee stimulation effect is present with a LOT of ability to do deep thought, and intellectual pondering. No "wild thoughts" so the GABA mechanism is working just fine..

Spread the load, as I was watching for your earlier link, where 1.5 gms was recommended.
However, I take all meds first thing with clear earl grey tea with sugar. I realise one needs to intersperse with food, and liquids. I left 3 hours space until 500gm taurine, then had salad lunch, then 3.30pm would take another taurine. but not yet.... Will give it a couple of days to settle.
As you’ve said before, gently, gently.... 👍👍👍
Some folk are stuffing to get weight loss, in fact, lots of ads pertain to fitness fanatics, which worried me. Not now, we choose to be sensible and take it slow. Onwards and upwards. 👍

==update==

As expected 7 hours after taking what for me would be a double dose of Taurine (2ea 500 milligram capsules at one time), the tinnitus now is subsiding, meaning the serum (blood) levels are decreasing, and my nervous system is moving back into the 'optimum' window.. I would say, probably about "waking" level sensation, maybe 50-60% reduction, but not completely gone.. I anticipate at this rate, if it is linear, about 3 more hours and the tinnitus will be gone, only to slowly rise back up as the window closes..

avid

13th February 2018, 10:35

For those who are taking taurine to rid themselves of fluoride toxicity, here is a paper which explains the damaging effects of fluoride on the thyroid and ovaries, albeit in rats.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/320842631_Effect_of_sodium_fluoride_on_the_structure_and_function_of_the_thyroid_and_ovary_in_albino _rats_Rattus_norvegicus

Also, a link from NSW Australia conerning this topic
https://www.facebook.com/Clean-Water-For-Life-Fluoride-Free-for-Bega-Valley-Shire-NSW-Australia-1818303671726658/

Bob

13th February 2018, 20:13

OK good reference there Avid ! Thanks !

Tuesday -
The results from doing "too much" for my body size/food consumption(food grade) and weight:

:coffee: 1 Gram at once was too much for me, finding that the proper "window" for ideal dosage appears to be based on overall health, nutritional requirements, toxicity levels..

For me, right now 500 milligrams appears best every 12 hours.. OR possibly dropping to 325 milligrams every 12 hours. I will try that, as I will be picking up a smaller amount tomorrow to try too.

Over the day yesterday (Monday), there was "too much energy", but no "wild thoughts racing" phenomenon (you know how kids can get hyperactive after a bunch of sugar- that's the closest I can create as an analogy). So that GABA balancing internally was taking over to keep that in check.

Not until 20 hours later did Monday's large dose for me clear adequately..

When it cleared, tinnitus reduced to about 2% in both ears, and on waking up, it was about 10%..

Taking the 500 milligram Taurine then this morning... after 2 hours the tinnitus was reduced to 1 - 2 % and energy level is normal to good (want to get out and exercise). Mental clarity is also good..

So the benefits appear to be just right with the dosage level corresponding to one's body's "nutritional need" level (or needed detox level).

So far so good.

avid

13th February 2018, 22:07

Took 500gm Monday mid-morning.
This is little happening here. Nothing unusual apart from forcing myself to play with neighbours’ cat to exercise myself for 3/4hr, which I would do anyway.
Tired, but took loads of camomile tea to bed. Awoke as usual 1.30am, and again felt nauseated 4.30am. Drank lots of water all night. Cat arrived arrived early morning after his folks went to work,weather shockingly cold and icy outside, really clingy, forced him to go home tonight after mad aerated ‘football’ game with hyper-cat, so nothing really unusual unless nausea in the night. Shrove Tuesday - no pancakes, and probably nothing tomorrow due to this Valentines fiasco.
Don’t seem to be affected much yet by Taurine 500mg daily.
Back to topic...

avid

13th February 2018, 22:16

double post - difficult to erase

Bob

13th February 2018, 22:30

Wonder if the hyper-cat needs some Taurine to chill with? Wonder if his food has enough taurine? Great that stability was maintained, nothing out of the ordinary happened with your first 500 mg. Possibly your fluoride and other toxin level there from earlier water-supply ingestion is way higher than here (I suspect so). I think the skin will absorb moisture/toxins from the fluoride and whatever else they have added -

Skin absorption is a route by which substances can enter the body through the skin. Along with inhalation, ingestion and injection, dermal absorption is a route of exposure for toxic substances and route of administration for medication.

Meaning washing with that contaminated water probably is not stopping the toxins from getting in.. At least the drinking of such is addressed with the right distillation/filtering... Though, thru-the-skin absorption is something I think people need to address and realize, just DRINKING good water isn't the only thing to be concerned about (besides detoxing out the former contamination)..

Whole HOUSE elimination of the toxins from the 'water supply' then I believe needs to be looked at. Good drinking water from secondary process is a great first step.. The whole house tho, what u are washing with needs to be looked at I think... due to toxins thru the skin absorption.

avid

13th February 2018, 22:50

After your earlier posts re taurine and cats, this chap is so hyperactive/normally very fit for high jumps, then sleeps most of the day, lies down a lot even after waking. Now you have me worried, he doesn’t eat his prey, he leaves the tortured little mouse carcasses at the top of my garden. He is not my cat.
I don’t leave him water dishes, he relies on my outdoor birdie puddles.

avid

14th February 2018, 19:16

Today awoke early, as usual, but much brighter. Day 3 of 500gm Taurine. Weather here frightening, very very windy, and this would usually stress me out, but now will call on recent contractors to remedy potentially bad problems. They are under warranty agreements. Electrician came and sorted one.... Thinking more positively, and feeling more energetic.

The visiting cat only appeared briefly today, and reeked of his owners perfume. Thank goodness he is loved. Sent him home into severe winds tonight, as my doors are rattling. 👍

Bob

15th February 2018, 03:25

I've been getting reports about folks saying "evil winds", something is a-foot.. Interesting - from Australia, to Puerto Rico, out here in Colorado - weird standing wave clouds too..

Today I thought since I over-did it for me with one gram at once, that I wouldn't do any today.. Well, by 6pm started getting a head ache plus restless, and generally ansy... the tinnitus is back to about 70-80 % and generally I feel 'off'. I went out for lunch today and had some great chlorinated/fluorinated water and wanted to toss it, but I drank it anyway, not to be obnoxious with my guest.. But I could recognize the overall malaise feeling without the Taurine, and the awful tap water in the restaurant..

Tomorrow, back to the normal dose of 500 mg for me, to see how soon it kicks in. A/B comparison does seem to indicate the changes. Surprising it is so fast as a supplement. Maybe the muscles/nerves burn thru this amino acid quite fast, and need it quickly.. using up any stores the body may have if it needs it.. Most interesting supplement !

pyrangello

15th February 2018, 09:42

Looked for taurine at the drug store,not there but I did find powdered milk for kittens with a big label saying .......includes taurine in big bold letters. Thought that was very interesting.

Bob

15th February 2018, 15:32

Bob

15th February 2018, 15:57

Update to post #41 above - (on holding off for a day of Taurine as a test)

The headache continued through the night, until about 5am and then stopped with the tinnitus kicking in as before starting, about 90%, relative deafness due to the tinnitus. Couldn't hear from the various computers/media centers without the volume up to 40ish.

General body sensations, malaise, and "world ending" like sensations, general depression and irritation. The irritation is interesting, something like a male hyper-aggression syndrome, or teen-age fight with everything out there (cocky attitude sensations). As Daozen had pointed out there is an increase in libido. The sensation also of the withdrawl reminds me of "cranky children", when even holding them doesn't work.

So the trigger appeared to be having pushed out of the 'optimum window' and then for me exceeded proper balance levels. What I found important was to study the reactions when the withold happens, to watch the "see saw" of reactions. None of them are life threatening unless one would consider walking up to someone and punching them in the nose because of 'having a bad day'.

That gets me into looking at the neural hormones that the brain works with, based on proper nutrition.. Without proper nutrition (meaning the RIGHT compliment of minerals plus amino acids without the toxins in 'wrong food') the body/brain system apparently turns on mechanisms to get you going to go out and get the right nutrition. I suspect this has something to do with evolutionary biology development, to seek out an/or rise above competition for food, and aggressively seek it.

I suspect that others experiencing the 'mood swings' or 'attitude' really have a brain hormone imbalance due to improper food/nutrition (at the outset) exacerbated by toxins created from improper intestinal flora. (that can be discussed in another thread, the ideal probiotic).

So as for a summary for the thread - there appears to be an ideal window for taurine ingestion.. Too little is not really that helpful, too much can appear to re-trigger symptoms which the right level would be addressed by taurine. The emotional swing/aggressive behavior "brain cope mechanism" appears to be triggered by food issues (correct balance sustains optimum social behavior and correct well being). Others apparently who are "off" will consider their 'alpha-ness' threatened due to the neural hormones out of whack. A quick dose of taurine offers a proper restoration of the "food solution balance" (proper nutritional utilization). (I saw that reaction with my interaction with the lunch meeting yesterday during withdrawal of taurine symptoms).

Today, taking the taurine, 2 hours afterwards, tinnitus is back down to 5-10%, pretty much the same way as when I started. I don't feel like I want to "eat any competitors" (primal aggression for survival of the fitest).. Apparently the neural chemistry is still there in the human brain for strong dumb-ass-alpha behavior, and one not able to be properly nutritionally balanced most certainly could "mood swing" and mistake objective reality (nobody is after one) and act out. My assumption is taurine supplementation probably would be useful for treating criminal behavior or apparently psychotic or uncontrollable mood swings. That is the neural hormonal viewpoint. For healing macular degeneration or enlarged heart, not sure on that, as such would take time. I have friends with both conditions and they are starting the taurine.

I don't think I have anything else to report for this thread at the moment. Eager to hear other's observations, and about if they've connected the dots as above.

--blessings

avid

15th February 2018, 20:28

500mg taurine today mid-morning as usual. Windy weather atrocious, and blocking my positivity. I do know my brain is clearer, awake more quickly, and checking cat-food constituents for taurine, thanks Pyrangello!!!

This is not the be-all-and-end-all of the road to positivity, but perhaps a gateway. Like Bob, will just persevere for ages, and hope for a good outcome with my balanced diet. Funnily enough, 2 of my very very close folk from the past have been in contact in the last 24 hours, which has been uplifting. Coincidentally, I was worried about them but had no means of contact. Some of my years of concerns allayed.
Onwards and upwards then... 👍👍👍

Flash

15th February 2018, 20:39

Looked for taurine at the drug store,not there but I did find powdered milk for kittens with a big label saying .......includes taurine in big bold letters. Thought that was very interesting.

I haven't seen pharmacies carry Taurine, but I have seen General Nutrition Center (Michigan), and Vitamin Cottage (assorted states, but not in Michigan) carry Taurine (in the States). It is stocked under the AMINO Acid section. Different brands there, including some which contain other substances. I chose the smallest capsule size available (not pure powder form), without anything else added (was the lowest cost too).

GNC link: http://www.gnc.com/search?q=taurine&lang=default
http://www.gnc.com/taurine/045712.html#q=taurine&lang=default&start=1 (this was the link to the lowest cost without any other additives)

Store search:
http://stores.gnc.com/cadillac-mi-3901?loc=michigan&displayLoc=Michigan

Bought some Taurine from National Nutrition on the web, a Canadian company. I bought the NOW brand, since other brands had Magnesium cyclate (i think) with it. Anyhow, we will see. It was quite cheap.

Bob, I had to take strong antibiotics this week for 2 infections (high sugar blood levels feeds those bacteria), one going on pneumonia (caught just in time not to progress too much). Which probiotics would you suggest to recover the gut flora after treatment?

Should I use the bicarbonate magnesium water and the glutamine as well together?

As soon as I recover from these infections, I started to take exercise courses 3 times a week and will add some exercise time to try to control my blood sugar and lose weight. I am nearing the time where insulin may be needed (diabetes) and want to avoid this at any cost. Does Taurine, magnesium and glutamine play with glucophage medication in your opinion?

And thanks for sharing all your research.

Bob

15th February 2018, 21:34

Hi Flash, thanks for the update. The probiotic that I use is specifically for youngsters who need to be able to gently get biotic support. It is called Primadophilus Junior (there may be a version also on the shelf called "Kids".)

That "Kids" version is a bit worrisome for me.

The Primadohilus ingredients consist of: (http://www.naturesway.com/Product-Catalog/Primadophilus-Junior-90-Vcaps)

Lacto Bacilli strain Ramnosus and Acidophilus
Bifidobacteria Longum and Breve and infantis

The version called "KIDS" on the label contains XYLITOL which is safe for humans in small doses. BUT IT IS DEADLY for animals, like cats and dogs, do not use it on your pets....

So be cautious to verify no Xylitol and the version says JUNIOR (not "kids").

I am uncomfortable with the xylitol sweetener ingredient in the KIDS version, but I recall the earlier capsule version "JUNIOR" didn't have any sweetener in it. This KIDS formulation I picked up at a King Soopers supermarket store because I was all out of the regular Primadophilus Junior (Kids version is chewable with the flavoring).. I had studied Xylitol and found it to be awful how it made me feel.

I haven't seen any issue or conflicts with Magnesium Bicarbonate and recovery from Antibiotics.

As to the Glutamine. This is an interesting substance. Combined with the three, Probiotic, the Mg Bicarbonate, the Taurine.. this Glutamine appears to facilitate tissue rebuilding especially in the mouth, esophagus, stomach lining and large and small intestine. I had tested also NAC (N-Amino Cysteine) to be used to very rapidly clear aberrant tissue growths.. So a short span of that was tested and then stopped. If one needs the Glutamine for that particular group of cell growth facilitation, it seems OK. Any irritable bowel syndrome most certainly has stopped and cleared up. I wonder if this combination and regimen (like using the NAC as a starting point prime/flush) would be useful.

The NOW brand and Natures' Way have been OK brands for me. Thanks for the positive acknowledgement :)

PS - in the earlier reports in this thread, Taurine was reported to stop the pre-diabetes issues, and I don't know if that is a cure, or a treatment, just how it stops. Possibly by repairing the blood vessels, and nerves and musculature in the Pancreas and *'Islets of Langerhans' (where the insulin appears),

* definition - Islets of Langerhans - any of the clusters of endocrine cells in the pancreas that are specialized to secrete insulin, somatostatin, or glucagon. Insulin is a peptide hormone secreted by [beta]-cell of the pancreatic islet of Langerhans for maintaining normal blood glucose level by facilitating cellular glucose uptake.

Flash

19th February 2018, 19:38

Thanks for your info Bob

I just received and took the Taurine, 500mg, 1 hour ago.
I also received the Glutamine in powder form from AOR (cheaper), I do trust AOR eyes closed. First symptoms, i do not know if it is related, but the sudden will to sleep, and a hot flash.

I am left with making the bicarbonate magnesium water and see what all this gives. I also have to get the probiotic since the antibiotic effects should stop around tomorrow.

I will keep on Taurine for a few days and report.

Bob

19th February 2018, 20:25

Urge to sleep - possibly due to having relaxed de-stress?

I noticed last nite, during the middle of the nite, got up cause the cat was meowing wanting some attention. Zero tinnitus, and a pretty good nite of sleep. (Although I woke up dreaming that President Trump was wearing a green cowboy hat and celebrating St. Patricks Day and had invited me over for coffee.. I assume that is a funny hallucination from the mexican food I had twice during the day... :) :rofl: :)

Desire

20th February 2018, 14:46

Hi Everyone,

I remember from my college nutrition class that we have about 19 essential amino acids. Taurine is one of them. They all work together in a specific way. If you picture a diagram with twenty amino acids going across the board, you will receive as much benefit for whatever the lowest amino acid is. So say methionine is the lowest because you don't get enough of it, your body will receive only as much, lets say taurine as the methionine.

So it might be a good idea to take the full dose of amino acids say twice a week. I saw some at my local health food store. They were thirty dollars for one hundred. I wouldn't take them every day. Just start slowly and see how you feel.

Good Health,
Desire

Bob

20th February 2018, 15:06

I like that idea too @Desire !

Failure to obtain enough of even 1 of the 10 essential amino acids, those that we cannot make, results in degradation of the body's proteins—muscle and so forth—to obtain the one amino acid that is needed. Unlike fat and starch, the human body does not store excess amino acids for later use..

Btw, another nite of good breathing, and zero tinnitus. However I do note, after getting the body running, the "taurine" level drops quickly prior to breakfast and the morning taurine capsule.. And of course, cranky 'ole man syndrome kicks in briefly, hoping that some good Kona freshly brewed is going to compensate.. Well it's OK until about 1 hour after the taurine, then the mellow kicks in. I like mellow better than cranky :)

genevieve

20th February 2018, 15:21

Bob

20th February 2018, 16:12

Bob--

Regarding enlarged heart: Check out Vitamin K2, as discussed on PA and Dr. Mercola's website. (I don't have any first-hand testimony to give, but it's interesting.)

Best wishes!

Peace Love Joy & Harmony,
genevieve

P.S. If 66 is old, then--wait, what? . . . . Hmmm.

Hia Genevieve :) (taurine kicked in plus a cup of Kona, no grumpy any more, mucho bettah !)

Looking up the biochemical for K2, and the studies, scientific studies done, the general K2 vitamin "menaquinone" comes in many forms. The menaquinone-7 form shows the best bioactivity in studies.

Here's a clinical trials link https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00642551 My observations of K2, I've seen difficulty with balancing levels - necessity to use Vitamin E simultaneously.. Kinda like a see-saw type of reaction.

Without the Vitamin E, I noticed blood clot forming, and had to have vitamin E to neutralize the K2's excessive clotting (at least for me).

Therefore I only get my K2 from raw plants and don't supplement - good plant ingestion seems adequate for me to get the K.

K2 is reported to work with cholesterols and my guess is, would have a lot to do with plaque formation in the blood vessels and arteries. Necessitating vitamin E to dissolve plaques. Also, my understanding of excess hydrogen formation (I have a post in the magnesium bicarbonate thread about hydrogen and fats), one can end up with heart and other blood flow diseases due to plaque deposition. K2 obviously is important - to me it seems like something that has to be precisely regulated, and not used in excess. That see-saw response in other words. K2 works with removing CALCIUM deposits from the arteries (a good thing). And the calcium then has to go somewhere, hopefully back into the bones, (clearing up the osteoporosis issues in post menopausal situations).

So when I used K2 supplementation, I absolutely HAD to have Vitamin E supplementation to keep the calcium/cholesterol in balance, else I ran into problems. Determining then what amount of calcium and cholesterol got freed up was a bit of a dance. For me that dance was uncomfortable, and I did not like having small capillary clot formation happening. (Getting a stroke didn't seem like a good risk).. So I tend to be cautious when doing anything that changes serum cholesterol and calcium.

some references:
http://www.atherosclerosis-journal.com/article/S0021-9150(15)00130-6/pdf - plaque deposition/cholesterol/calcium and K2
https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/papers/23169578 - corneal absorption of cholesterol facilitated by K2
https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/papers/22707266 - vitamin E modulation of K2 serum levels

avid

20th February 2018, 19:19

Had to stop taking taurine 500mg per day 2 days ago, as there were major problems as there may have been a clash with curcumin capsules. These are the only 2 new additives lately.
My abdomen swelled terribly, so cut out new capsule, and drank loads more distilled water. It was most distressing, couldn’t breathe properly as felt cramped, had to walk about lots, couldn’t sleep due to bloatedness. So stopped taking it, drank loads of water, and looked at diet, no carbohydrate seems to be good.
Since taking this amino acid, much more wake, so will gradually reintroduce, as it is so energising, hope you all trying this out are doing well, it’s fine tuning here now.
Today felt much better, did loads of gardening, brain fog gone. Ensure you have elimination plan in this introduction!

Bob

20th February 2018, 20:36

I get the bloating with the curcumin/tumeric. I've tried two different versions, one includes some ginger. My belief is the curcumin/tumeric is killing off the intestinal flora, resulting in the bloat/gas formation. I don't have any bloat/gas formation with just the taurine. Curcumin/tumeric is said to go for the underlying cause of bloat/gas formation, but think about it, if the immune system is being boosted by the curcumin/tumeric and the immune system goes after bloat/gas generating bacteria (probably methane forming bacteria), and those bacteria start dying, why wouldn't gas formation happen in the mean time until those methane forming bacteria are killed off?

(BTW, I am always ingesting methane forming bacteria from fresh produce which I have not fully "decontaminated". One can note that things like "lettuce" spoil (http://greennews.com.au/food-waste/) - the bacterial overgrowth "slime" is usually of the methane producing category - I'm always pushing my greens to the limit of use.. the type of bacteria present is important, and not letting it get to the "spoil" stage before consumption - just a thought).

After the initial die off of the methane formation bacteria, I don't get gas/bloating from any of the supplements. I'd consider it may be a temporary 'symptom/issue'. But it never-the-less needs to be looked at as to WHY.

Checking for "gas bloating" reports on Taurine use - (none found)

(checking your earlier post on gall-bladder)

My supplies of taurine from a quality source arrived today. Took a 500mg capsule mid-morning. Fingers crossed for noticeable improvements..... I’m keeping notes.
Wondering if lack of a gall-bladder will cause any problems.

I see references that say without gall bladder, taurine supplement is important (their references say take gall-bladder-salts to deal with lack of proper gall-bladder or production to deal with fats which the gall-bladder secretions (bile) would normally handle -

Taurine has many health benefits in and of itself from burning fat to balancing glucose levels. But the fact that taurine may reduce chronic brain inflammation and reduce stress makes it a great addition to any gallbladder supplement. But adding it to bile salts is there specifically because within the body taurine has the ability to change the balance of the bile acids to a water soluble and less toxic form. In other words, it makes for healthier bile. - http://gallbladderattack.com/blog/tag/taurine

so potentially, one could be experiencing dealing with fats more rapidly than used to?

Or the intestinal flora needs to be different? I mentioned in a post with Flash, that I use Primadophilus Junior for the particular flora that seems to work the best for me.

Something to watch out for erythritol and xylitol both used as hidden sweeteners when they are saying they are not using aspartamine. ( Erythritol causes stomach rumbling and nausea, digestive troubles, including gas, cramping, bloating, stomach ache and diarrhea, become even more likely.)

Necessity for taurine and other amino acids -
ref: https://www.mybodyofknowledge.net/blog/category/digestion-how-it-works-and-how-to-fix-it

Without a bile salt supplement (due to no gall bladder) - even “healthy” fats, can make you:

*Gain bodyfat
*Feel nauseous
*Itchy
*Have skin issues (acne, rashes, blotchy skin)
*Gassy
*Bloated in your mid and lower abdomen

Further, if your bile flow sucks then, not only will the fats you eat occur to your body as toxic invaders, but you will also experience all the problems that go along with dietary fat deficiencies - EVEN if you’re eating it! So you’ll start to experience the…

Symptoms of dietary fat deficiencies

*Unstable blood sugar
*Long term over reliance on carbohydrates for energy (which commonly leads to high cholesterol and diabetes)
*Low levels of “good” cholesterol (HDL - High Density Lipids)
*Hormonal Imbalance
*Bodyfat retention
*Weakened libido

They report this too:

Glycine and taurine conjugate with bile acids in the liver, turning them into bile salts (alkaline).

Glycine and taurine are also used in the detox process called peptide conjugation.

Chlorine can only be detoxified through this process. (NOTE TO ANYONE USING MMS)

More on peptide conjugation - this is how the body neutralizes toxins in chlorine, lead and cadmium. We've already seen the necessity of taurine to deal with fluorine (fluoride ingestion from water for instance).

So those two amino acids are essential. (i.e. essential amino acid definition). Taurine would boost the immune response to go after the harmful proteins present (the peptide conjugation is one aspect of kick starting that process).. So if the undesireable proteins are present, the fats that need digestion, the bile-salts supplemented with at least taurine would seem to be "essential"..

https://bodyecology.com/articles/deficient_in_taurine.php - hindsight - "is one dangerously deficient in taurine ? " - One could have candida
- If you have this systemic fungal infection, it produces an amino acid, beta-alanine, which competes with taurine for reabsorption in the kidney.
- This causes you to lose taurine through your urine.

*Gall Bladder Removed
-Correction: One will need to take a bile supplement. Ox bile is commonly the go to here. One will have to learn how to time this supplement correctly and how to adjust your dosages based on what you ate that day and when you ate it.

Possibly if ur taking that ox-bile supplement, that level may need adjustment with the Taurine and or Glycine supplement.

Here is what they say about "gall bladder removed"

Ox Bile Supplementation
If you have had your gall bladder removed then you should definitely understand that, if you want to be able to properly digest fats and have even halfway decent nutrient assimilation from your food, then you are going to have to supplement with bile. Ox bile is the most commonly supplemented form of exogenous bile supplementation. If you do not supplement with exogenous (I.e. From outside the body) bile then you will never fully digest your food. So, if you have had your gall bladder removed, please be sure to read appendix section: Ox Bile Supplementation.

Appendix - Extract of ox bile supplementation has shown that it can prevent malnutrition, gas, indigestion, abdominal pain and bloating. If that is not being done (with no gall bladder, it seems that there could be a large issue appearing. Dunno precisely based on what is being taken (or not) to deal with the lack of gall bladder).

Just checking on the symptoms and reports.

The taurine still seems to be essential, not getting it by not digesting the food properly could have a lot to do with chronic conditions it seems.

500 milligrams pure in capsule form is what works for me - 1 gram per day seems too much for me even if divided into day and nite doses. Just tried to hear for tinnitus - none there.

=== update ===

I pulled up some more research on the gram-negative bacteria - waste bacteria. I think this could be helpful in investigating the potential for dangerous bacteria in the gut (from the environment)..

You had mentioned the awful environment with the fluoride water contamination, there could be also a gram-negative bacteria floating around - from https://oshwiki.eu/wiki/Exposure_to_dangerous_substances_in_the_waste_management_sector

Some excerpts:

The amount of waste generated in the EU has been growing and new was handling processes have emerged in the waste management sector.

Workers in the waste management sector may be exposed to biological and chemical risks such as different vapours, smoke, fumes and dust as well and they may also need to handle chemical substances and infectious materials.

According to interviews and follow-up studies workers in this sector have been found to experience more work-related symptoms and illnesses than other occupational groups

and

Biowastes, especially food scraps very often contain huge numbers of bacteria. Most of these bacteria are saprophytic bacteria, i.e. they feed and grow on decaying organic matter.

However, some of these species particularly those present in animal waste, may be pathogens, and they can cause serious infections, such as brucellosis (Brucella spp.), campylobacteriosis (Campylobacter spp.), listeriosis (Listeria monocytogenes), salmonellosis (Salmonella spp.), shigellosis (Shigella spp.), and yersiniosis (Yersinia spp.).

All gram-negative bacteria in the waste contain components called endotoxins, which is a part of their cell walls. Endotoxins are pulmonary immunotoxicants.

They can cause acute systemic (fever, shivering, and joint pain) and respiratory symptoms (dry cough, shortness of breath), as well as acute lung function changes.

One chronic effect of endotoxin exposure is an accelerated decline in lung function (COPD, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease).

Additionally, endotoxin may exert adjutantive effects in the subject’s reactions to allergens since they may synergistically enhance the release of allergic mediators and increase the production of antibodies.

I spent some time down south in East Sussex, on a sheep farm, and came back with the "lung" issues as described above. The guest house "room" was above the "barn".. My thoughts immediately turned to brucellosis, but looking at the above, it probably was more of one of the other gram-negative bacterial infections from the wastes.. (not all symptoms matched)..

Taurine never-the-less would still be it seems to me the proper needed amino acid for supplementation for dealing with the subject/title (of this thread) especially assisting in boosting immune function and detoxing.

avid

20th February 2018, 21:31

Briefly, my organic curcumin is combined with black pepper for ‘easier’ absorbtion. i have not suffered unduly from ‘gas’, just bloatedness. Will dive into the depths of your info soonest Bob, many thanks, am off to bobies as I must be strict with my health timekeeping now, in getting hours-per-day sleep/rest.
However, since being very active today, digestion is much improved... wonders never cease!
Will try another taurine cap tomorrow.
Don’t eat/drink anything including aspartame/fake sugars which contribute to brain death. Anything stating it’s ‘diet’ drink is full of toxins....
Anything stating it’s ‘fat-free’ is a potential ‘****-storm’ as stated on the web...
Trying to stay food-natural as much as possible. Sleep well...

Bob

20th February 2018, 21:45

I know when I try the black pepper augmentation in the curcumin, the "hyper" reaction to me is just too much. I've noticed my immune system likes to run in over-drive.. What I noted in researching the bloating, is if there is a lack of gall-bladder, and no "ox-bile" supplement, there can be problems.. the bloat is only one of the problems without the gall-bladder. It's strange hearing that medico's say no worries, u don't need ur gallbladder (er... bpbppbpb is my response to them).. https://patient.info/forums/discuss/is-it-necessary-to-get-a-gallbladder-removed-for-a-stone-of-3mm--83462

Doctors are too quick to remove gallbladders causing unnecessary problems like Bile Salt Mal-absorption, a horrendous after effect of removal.

re: "fat free" the hidden olestra substance (also known as 'Olean" is awful what it does to me). I hate it, especially in pastries that seem to taste so good, but have the stuff hidden within..
See: "Sneaky Ingredients" - https://www.self.com/story/5-sneaky-ingredients-in-food-that-can-cause-diarrhea

The "Sneaky Ingredients" webpage I think should be an essential read. They needed to add more reference to the "sugar alcohols" the erythritol and xylitol (usually used in "sugar free gum" products to "protect the teeth" is the claim)..

Flash

22nd February 2018, 16:57

Reporting my beginner's experience

I took 500 mg Taurine and about 8 grams of L-Glutamine for 2 days in a row.

Brain fog and tinnitus still there. I woke up with feeling so swollen that I feel I am a walking balloon lolll. Morning urine is quite dark and smelly. I did not take any this morning and will check how it goes. My body may reject overdoing it may be.

However, Tuesday night I went to have a few drinks in bars with American friends who were visiting Montreal. I usually do not drink alcohol at all, except a glass of wine here and there (like once a month). So it may also be my body trying to clean the alcohol by-products.

I will wait and see and retake the products tomorrow or the day after.

avid

22nd February 2018, 17:48

Ordered oxbile supplement (sounds gross), but without a gall bladder and after much research (despite a 2010 Harvard ‘specialist’ stating gall bladders aren’t necessary), so looking forward to adding this and perhaps substracting something else eventually. This thread is fascinating, and is a catalyst to a healthier outlook, despite bloated abdomens, brain fog and tinnitus challenges. Yesterday was cathartic, but will spare you the detail...! Feeling very good today, reintroduced taurine. Very busy gardening, full of the ‘joys of spring’ at the moment....., terrible weather forecast, but who cares? 👍
Always take at least a pint of water to bed, and I also take a mug of camomile tea, to be drunk hot or cold. Makes one visit the bathroom, but better out than in. Flushing is important.

Bob

22nd February 2018, 17:56

What about dropping the glutamine to zero? And just testing the Taurine? The glutamine is about rebuilding the intestinal lining.

Darker urine could be due to the alcohol, and/or not enough good water, but quite possibly the coloration of the wine itself. I can easily turn on smelly urine by having fresh asparagus, and strong colored urine by having fresh BEETS - so I know what one consumes which has color can most certainly change both urine and stools.

I would take a look at was anything eaten besides the wine?

(I am not having any severe bloating from solely the Taurine, nor dark urine, and Tinnitus remains down to about 5-10%. Tinnitus increases when I put my head/neck in certain positions. I can turn and raise/lower so that even the 5-10% is zero. Says to me bloodflow and nerves play a large part in tinnitus.)

Here's some questions:
What have the heavy antibiotics done inside?

Are you yet taking the probiotics?

Getting adequate water?

Have any protein rich foods within the last couple days ?

see this article on GLUTAMINE - http://healthvibed.com/l-glutamine-for-leaky-gut-syndrome/

There is mention in the article above, that glutamine can be rather powerful, and there can be "anxiety, and brain fog". Assumption being if there is any sluggishness in the intestinal walls, and any latent toxins, that such may be as you say, flushing out.

Also what I did to start was use 325 miligrams of TAURINE only to start with. I still use the magnesium bicarbonate (1 ounce in my morning cool coffee), as if I don't I find that I have a predilection for leg cramps. Using 1/2 of the 500 milligrams is a valid thought too I think. Start small and see, gentle, and minimize variables, one thing at a time seems the best to see exactly what is happening.

Minimize variables (I haven't seen any issue with having an alcoholic drink, in moderation obviously, possibly the sulfites in wines may be an issue, if one is or has been having a toxic flood from bacteria in the gut dying from strong anti-biotic use). I did have some wine last week, and did note darker urine which did have the sulfury smell from the wine preservatives. So that matches.

Maybe we need to look at a checklist, what to look at first, what to ensure is done by the numbers, such as small amounts, only one supplement at a time.. Taking like 20 of the essential amino acids may be way too much if a person's body hasn't gotten good nutrition.. For Taurine, that in particular is what interests me.

BTW, today this morning I decided to NOT use the GLUTAMINE, feeling like I didn't need it today. But I did use the Taurine. I am adding Milk Thistle for Liver Maintenance, and using Tumeric/Curcumin, although I am finding with the Tumeric/Curcumin a sensation of bloating during mid-day.. When I stop the Tumeric/Curcumin, I don't get any bloating.

I am assuming there is an increase in the IMMUNE SYSTEM CELLS building up where the toxins or bacteria, or fungi are..

Whereas BEFORE without immune system boosting, the bacteria, or toxins, or fungi would continue to flourish. For me getting rid of harmful bacteria, candida, fungus, toxins and viruses seems to be a good thing. I can live with some bloating if it means those awful objects can be diminished.

avid

22nd February 2018, 18:13

I have used milk thistle daily for years, amazing stuff, if out to a party, come home and take a capsule with loads of water before bed, however, don’t go to parties any more as this location is a wee village who twitch curtains and deffo no parties! Thank goodness, everyone here walks dogs, gardens, and pretends to do really healthy things....

Bob

22nd February 2018, 22:46

Here is an article about "bloat" - and the use of TAURINE to deal with it, positively..

http://chanlo.com/images/bloat-1.jpg

Bob

10th March 2018, 21:53

I can do a touch base update on Taurine supplementation from about 7th February to now 10th March.

Amazing stuff, not exactly what I would have thought based on just reading reports, so finding out first hand seems very appropriate for me - verify, check, cross-check...

First thing, the nerves become MORE sensitive, muscles become MORE sensitive to lower level triggers to "respond" to the will/mind.

Next aromas become more perceivable, nerves which weren't working up to PAR become more sensitive.

Memory becomes more acute, ability to remember NAMES for me has improved (I am terrible with trying to remember names, there is no connection to the face/memory/name or it fades rapidly..)

Ability to recall details from breakfast days ago has improved..

And some of the more odd reports - - I am able to feel the intestinal "full-ness" sensation where those nerves in the past may have been deadened, or ignored. I can feel when I have food/nutrients inside, and that indeed feels like FULLNESS.. After a while that passed when I fully recognized my "fullness" was INDEED that, fullness from having consumed food/liquids/nutrients.. My nerves could again respond and my nervous system sent the "fullness" response to the mind.. Interesting sensation.

I found improvement in balance and ability to have more dexterity.. I could find my fingers able to do subtle tasks again, such as writing better by pencil or pen. The scribble became more clear as I could direct the muscles to write what I was visualizing...

The hearing has been interesting - it's been a see-saw action.. The damage from the tinnitus was a defeat and reset of the normal "THRESHOLD" for nerve firing... Normally after a time, the body tends to mask out or create an "ignore" setting, like ignore any type of stimulus. I assume that is to prevent the brain from getting overwhelmed from a MASSIVE amount of stimulus..

So during an incident where the thresholds are overwhelmed (sharp explosion sound or loud continuous "Rock" music) there is a "rewiring" of the brain/sensory stimulus perceptor.. With the Taurine, the nerves start to become healed, blood flow increases, and MORE sensory data is sent to the brain.. The brain responds "TINNITUS" and the whistle/ringing appears quite loudly.. The brain then starts to RESET the thresholds, the TINNITUS drops.. The tissues heal more, the BRAIN responds - TINNITUS, the thresholds need to get RESET once again.. And that see-saw then continues until enough healing has happened.. So it takes time to do a full reset of the nerves associated in the face, jaw, the inner ear.

So the observation, INCREASED ability to differentiate subtle aromas - fantastic improvement.. I would assume smokers would be able to with sufficient taurine triggered rebuilding be able to regain a proper sense of detailed aroma sensing ability. (They may be able to tell how badly they offend non-smokers... hmmmm)...

Ability to determine subtle COLOR differences - life around one may seem MORE VIBRANT..

Depression and Anxiety drops as one is able to pick back up the beauty of life around one, by DETERMINING the fantastic DETAILS, the UNIQUENESSES of each and every thing, and of course the mutual shared traits.. WELLNESS feelings and finding the GOOD around one becomes more obvious and it becomes easier to SEE and recognize STUPID. (Of course it's a judgement call, what is wrong with being able to recognize and no longer keep doing stupid ??)

LESS EYE MUSCLE strain and fatigue..

What I haven't noticed is an improvement in dark vision/light vision recovery... However after being in dark for 4 hours the ability to see the slightest light has improved.

Interesting stuff..

Flash

11th March 2018, 15:07

Science explaining why Taurine is deficient in our organisms as well as melanonie, thyroid, autism, adhd, etc thanks to glycophase (roundup) - Bob, you will easily understand I think the scientific jargon

this is taken from this thread http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102037-Dr.-Stephanie-Seneff-An-Overview-of-the-Current-State-of-Our-Health-Environment&p=1213511&viewfull=1#post1213511

https://media.sott.net/srn/20180309hws-interview-with-brilliant-researcher-dr-stephanie-seneff.mp3

an easier to understand video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYC6oyBglZI

Bob

25th March 2018, 17:37

Heard from two associates who have had periods of anxiety and depression.. requiring medication for 'treatment'..

Taurine shortage I believe is strongly associated with many maladies of the nervous system and body/mind. Heart, brain, eyes.. major organs and so forth..

A deficiency seems to over time with the depression situation, make things seem 'overwhelmingly hopeless'..

(And it has been pointed out fluoride ingestion depletes the stores of taurine, and/or depletes it as soon as it's generated (in very small amounts) naturally in the human body.)

Upon first trying the taurine with one associate, the ability to no longer be depressed was noted, one 500 milligram capsule in the morning and one at night.. Upon stopping the taurine the depression returned, upon restarting it the depression ceased and hopeful-ness was restored.

The other associated noted on the very first time having clarity in dreams again, and an active libido kicked in. Hearing a lot more optimism in conversations with them.

Another associate noted ability to run many virtually simultaneous scenarios rapidly and visualize outcomes, with clarity.. The optimism wave was not so present with them.

Sensations of "fullness" pretty much have subsided for me now since the start of this thread where it was first noted by myself and a few others.. Again, what I am noticing is the nerves associated with the abdomen appear to be functioning now up to par, and the brain's threshold response has been recalibrated. I am able to note when I am hungry now I really am hungry, and it's a bit more difficult to just "ignore it".. I think that's a good thing actually, ability to recognize better what is happening with the body, and able to read the signals from the nerves much more reliably.

That's my update.

Flash

4th April 2018, 19:21

I woke up this morning in good shape and mood. Despite the fact that I was feeling sluggish last week and have stopped for a while taking multi-vitamins to give a break to the body and I forgot my 5htp yesterday that has been helping me with low mood for a long time, which usually would start making me "sad and cry baby".

Then I realized, yes, i added up Taurine 500 mg to my diet 2 days ago.

I truly feel good. I hope my memory will improve too, I have good loss of short term memory over the last year and it worries me.

I wonder if I should stop the 5 htp once my body is working better with Taurine.

So, Taurine works.

I just wonder how long I should be taking it.

Bob

5th April 2018, 10:27

The question probably would be Flash, what is the level of toxicity that one has to process as Taurine is a necessity, to help the body deal with toxins. Foods are broken down and Taurine helps the liver cells deal with oxidative stress. To help heart health, Taurine acts as a lipid/membrane stabilizer in the body, blood vessels benefit. Nerve cells are assaulted with toxins, and those need to be cleared so that proper nerve functioning happens, Taurine helps with that...

Seems like its one of those essential amino acids that without it in sufficient quantities, the body will pull from any stores, such as the eyes and heart.. without sufficient levels then those organs start to fail.. Seems to me, Taurine is something we shouldn't stop..

I've watched folks now since we've started this thread, up their dose from one 500 milligram capsule to two during the day, being at morning and night, where they are saying the benefits for overall happiness (total sum of experience in one word) have increased dramatically.. No doubt we could conjecture a better functioning body organ system, muscle system, nervous system, better eye function all seem to be part of "happiness"..

For me my toxicity level is only requiring me to supplement with one 500 milligram. I watch my diet pretty close, and the twinkie level ingestion is carefully monitored..

Bob

5th April 2018, 14:54

On the use of 5 HtP

How does it work?

5-HTP works in the brain and central nervous system by increasing the production of the chemical serotonin.

Serotonin can affect sleep, appetite, temperature, sexual behavior, and pain sensation.

Since 5-HTP increases the synthesis of serotonin, it is used for several diseases where serotonin is believed to play an important role including depression, insomnia, obesity, and many other conditions.

Serotonin is a "feel good" substance which connects to certain brain receptors.. When the connection happens (like a key into a lock), the brain modifies electrically, as in sensation similar to orgasm.

Like certain activity will trigger serotonin production, like eating. (Feel good after eating, like a type of reward mechanism). Surviving something that triggers Adrenalin can evoke a serotonin release (oh my gawd I didn't get eaten by that lion which was chasing me, early primate activity).

If the nerves are not functioning optimum depleted from let's say toxin exposure (fluoride), possibly one takes 5-HtP, like a high octane fuel additive... to feel good, and if Taurine can get the nerves to function better so that one's given serotonin level is "adequate", then potentially 5-HtP would not be needed.. Taurine for the natural repair and functioning, no added serotonin booster needed..

Like any potent neural activity modifying drug, going "cold turkey" (stopping abruptly), is probably not a good idea, but to very slowly taper off, and watch one's reaction for anything adverse. Adverse could be "not feeling good", not feeling "happy", not feeling "hopeful", not feeling like one has had a good meal, anxiety or "panic attack"..

5-HTP has the potential to over-stimulate serotonin activity..

This leads me to believe if one is using a serotonin response modifying drug, one should note any hyper-serotonin behaviour.

Such drugs that modify serotonin response are (this list is NOT all inclusive):

Celexa and Zoloft
Effexor
nortriptyline and amitriptyline
Nardil and Marplan

Excessive amounts of those drugs can trigger serotonin syndrome.

The feel-good-high that kids try to get from cough syrups, such as Robitussin DM can trigger serotonin syndrome. Going for the high can be deadly, when kids think 'they can take it'.. At the outset possibly 'it' feels good, however the side effects will include, rapid heartbeat, seizures, coma. The culprit is Dextromethorphan in the cough syrup. Don't do that stuff in excess. Increasing dosage to get past the "it doesn't work any more" reaction only leads to more deadly burnout.. Just don't do it.

Flash

5th April 2018, 16:33

This is miraculous, gosh I feel good.

Thanks Bob, and yes I will tapper off 5 HTP slowly, very slowly. For addictive drugs (which anti depressors are) or mood enhancers, I always gave myself a 6 month to one year, I did it for anti depressors after the divorce, it took one year for a 3 years antidepressor intake. I had to take something few years ago when my daughter was going nut, and me too (the Simon Parkes time) and I started serotonine for her and I.

Earlier on, when she was a child, my daughter blood tests were showing a depletion of serotonine precursors and I had been told that she may need supplements lifelong. Do you think that it may have been due to Taurine depletion and making up with Taurine she could also give up 5 HTP??

Many thanks

On the use of 5 HtP

How does it work?

5-HTP works in the brain and central nervous system by increasing the production of the chemical serotonin.

Serotonin can affect sleep, appetite, temperature, sexual behavior, and pain sensation.

Since 5-HTP increases the synthesis of serotonin, it is used for several diseases where serotonin is believed to play an important role including depression, insomnia, obesity, and many other conditions.

Serotonin is a "feel good" substance which connects to certain brain receptors.. When the connection happens (like a key into a lock), the brain modifies electrically, as in sensation similar to orgasm.

Like certain activity will trigger serotonin production, like eating. (Feel good after eating, like a type of reward mechanism). Surviving something that triggers Adrenalin can evoke a serotonin release (oh my gawd I didn't get eaten by that lion which was chasing me, early primate activity).

If the nerves are not functioning optimum depleted from let's say toxin exposure (fluoride), possibly one takes 5-HtP, like a high octane fuel additive... to feel good, and if Taurine can get the nerves to function better so that one's given serotonin level is "adequate", then potentially 5-HtP would not be needed.. Taurine for the natural repair and functioning, no added serotonin booster needed..

Like any potent neural activity modifying drug, going "cold turkey" (stopping abruptly), is probably not a good idea, but to very slowly taper off, and watch one's reaction for anything adverse. Adverse could be "not feeling good", not feeling "happy", not feeling "hopeful", not feeling like one has had a good meal, anxiety or "panic attack"..

5-HTP has the potential to over-stimulate serotonin activity..

This leads me to believe if one is using a serotonin response modifying drug, one should note any hyper-serotonin behaviour.

Such drugs that modify serotonin response are (this list is NOT all inclusive):

Celexa and Zoloft
Effexor
nortriptyline and amitriptyline
Nardil and Marplan

Excessive amounts of those drugs can trigger serotonin syndrome.

The feel-good-high that kids try to get from cough syrups, such as Robitussin DM can trigger serotonin syndrome. Going for the high can be deadly, when kids think 'they can take it'.. At the outset possibly 'it' feels good, however the side effects will include, rapid heartbeat, seizures, coma. The culprit is Dextromethorphan in the cough syrup. Don't do that stuff in excess. Increasing dosage to get past the "it doesn't work any more" reaction only leads to more deadly burnout.. Just don't do it.

avid

5th April 2018, 17:54

Gave it a break due to severe bloating, so will reintroduce slowly.
The bloating is such a put-off, but will try to persevere as mental state much brighter. There will be an equilibrium at some point, hopefully.
Also, trying to introduce ox-bile capsules to make up for gall bladder loss. Feeling tentative, hopefully the source of this supposedly good product has no ‘mad cow’ links!
Taking all these with new components is a difficult transition, milk thistle, D3 5kiu, thiamin, Vit C slow release, curcumin already in the mix...
Feeling tired, but motivated, try to keep testing IQ via daily challenges. This is an expensive business, hopefully not being ‘ripped off’.
However, love the feedback from the ‘long-suffererers’! Stoically onward then ...

Bob

5th April 2018, 18:07

Hia Flash - well if the nerves are getting toxic'd out due to like fluoride and so forth, or other toxins we are exposed to, possibly taurine would be more useful than 5-HTP.. Anything which messes with dopamine, gaba, serotonin or norepinephrine in the body just worries me.. So a nutrient to me would be a better way, or if a certain enzyme is missing or a probiotic to go that way instead of a substance that augments brain receptor activity..

Bob

5th April 2018, 18:57

Hia Avid - I wonder if a small amount of B6 is needed? There is that article above in post 62 where they talk about taurine plus vitamin B6 to deal with the bloating feelings.. Maybe finding if the curcumin is part of the immune system flooding (bloating sensation). I really dropped my curcumin intake btw, and haven't noticed any bloat.

avid

5th April 2018, 23:05

Not giving up curcumin yet, but will try to persevere with daily taurine, ox-bile will be introduced next week (total dread). I already take vitamin B complex, which includes B6.

Bob

30th October 2018, 04:54

:bump2:

for those who missed it..

Bob

31st October 2018, 03:02

I kinda had a bit of a miracle this evening..

I stopped using the taurine for about a month to see what happens..

I have been having a bit of a wisdom tooth problem, with a point of the tooth (a very sharp point), poking thru the gumline.. Remember what teething feels like?

Well I decided to take some time release B vitamins yesterday and today, and this morning added 1 of the 500 milligram taurine caps.

This evening, the "point" fell off the wisdom tooth, and underneath it, the gum had completely healed over where the point was.. In other words, tissue regeneration happened..

I consider that pretty amazing.. I hope Foxie decides to give taurine a try.. If it can help heal tissue that fast with some co-enzyme B vitamins (bio-available) and taurine.. gee that would be pretty amazing.. I know my gum feels better.. the healing over the "hole" was spectacular..

---- PS----

A friend of mine walks about 5-7 miles a day. He has had major heart surgery for tachycardia, and he has been using taurine ever since I started this thread. He's lost fat, is strong and has a normal heart rate again, and his stamina is fantastic He says what happens is he doesn't supplement while walking with extra water (interesting), and he eats normally.. (a good protein carb diet).. And he says 7 miles a day feels great.. He said today he decided to stress it a bit by taking a route which went up and down some severe slopes.. And no problems.. I call that pretty impressive.. His response, BOB I LOVE TAURINE it is quite a miracle substance... (I agree'd with him)

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