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Ewan
20th February 2018, 13:12
Between 1964 and 1973, the United States dropped around 2.5 million tons of bombs on Laos. While the American public was focused on the war in neighboring Vietnam, the US military was waging a devastating covert campaign to cut off North Vietnamese supply lines through the small Southeast Asian country.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/03/laos-vietnam-war-us-bombing-uxo/

In the midst of all that sat an ancient site that is commonly called the Plain of Jars (http://plainofjars.net/prehist.htm).



The local inhabitants say that the jars were made for brewing alcohol, to be consumed at a great feast to celebrate an illustrious military victory thousands of years ago. Legend tells of an evil king, named Chao Angka, who oppressed his people so terribly that they appealed to a good king to the north, named Khun Jeuam, to liberate them. Khun Jeuam and his army came, and after waging a great battle on the plain, defeated Chao Angka.

Perhaps 2,000 years old, the relics are one of the oldest archeological wonders of Southeast Asia. They have survived looters, the elements, and American bombs, but for decades were largely forgotten in the chaos and conflict that swept Laos

In the 1930s, French archeologist Madeline Colani documented the jars in a 600-page monograph, The Megaliths of Upper Laos, She discovered some jars contained bronze and iron tools, and bracelets, along with cowry shells and glass beads, while the rest appeared to have been looted, and concluded that they were funeral urns carved by a vanished Bronze Age people. This theory has been strengthened by the more recent discovery of underground burial chambers.

A little more than a mile northeast of Ponsavan lies the principal jar site, called Ban Ang, known as Site 1, containing more than 250 urns. In her words "They are disposed without regularity, some of them pressing one against another, others quite isolated. Each one is fashioned from a separate block of stone, and a small number of them are very well executed, as though turned on a lathe, bespeaking the hand of a true artist." Here, there also is a cave, which she believed served as the crematorium, having found ashes and bones inside it.

A recent excavation in 1994, exposed a carving of a human figure on the side of the jar, the first anthropomorphic image recorded at the site. Nearby, eight to twelve inches below the soil surface, seven flat stones, each covering a pit were also discovered. Six of the pits contained human bones and the seventh contained a two-foot-tall burial jar with small pieces of bone and teeth inside.

These pits are proposed to be sites of secondary burials, a practice in which the corpse is left to decompose or 'distill' into it's essence, a practice that has been common in Thailand and Laos (and other regions) up to the present (to dry out the body and rot the soft tissue before cremation). So the unifying theory is that, the corpses of poor people were placed in pits, while those of the nobility and rich people were placed in the urns to dry out. This would explain their large size. Once they had been cremated in the cave, the ashes of the elite were returned to the urns, or perhaps buried in a sacred place, freeing the jars for re-use to decompose another body.

To date, more than 60 jar fields have been identified, usually situated on promontories and other strategically high places. The tallest jars are more than 3 meters in height and over a meter in width, and weighing several tons. A few have carved symbols which are still visible. Circular stone discs found near the jars, presumed to be lids, are also sometimes carved, with one having a recognizable representation of a monkey. A distinctive figure inscribed on several of the funeral urns, known as the 'frogman*', may link the civilisation to cultures as far afield as Yunnan and Indonesia

As usual I have trouble accepting such a theory. These jars were made from stone and by the accepted practices must have taken an age to carve out. There are literally thousands of them. I don't believe you would make a new jar every time someone died, I think it more likely that later peoples utilised what they found for various purposes. In image 3, below, it doesn't look a particularly well thought out design for dessicating a body for instance.

https://yandex.com/images/search?text=laos%20plain%20of%20jars

http://www.newsps.ru/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/kyvshin.jpg

http://static.nationalgeographic.com.tr/Common/Images/Articles/1260/2536_a_2.jpg

http://ancientufo.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/plainofjars.jpg



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvku5CEhW1k

Part 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoj5JsdYtn8) , Part 3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfzFTWN1aMA)

Drone flight over the Plain of Jars


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKWVEeA4FXY

Further reading

http://www.crystalinks.com/plainofjars.html
http://plainofjars.net/prehist.htm
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/asia-pacific/death-from-below-in-the-world-s-most-bombed-country-1.3078351
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/laos-the-most-heavily-bombed-country-on-earth.html

*-I looked for images of the 'Frogman' carved in some jars but without luck.

Ewan
20th February 2018, 13:25
A Great Place to Have a War https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1461035260l/29430865.jpg


The untold story of how America’s secret war in Laos in the 1960s transformed the CIA from a loose collection of spies into a military operation and a key player in American foreign policy.

In 1960, President Eisenhower was focused on Laos, a tiny Southeast Asian nation few Americans had ever heard of. Washington feared the country would fall to communism, triggering a domino effect in the rest of Southeast Asia. So in January 1961, Eisenhower approved the CIA’s Operation Momentum, a plan to create a proxy army of ethnic Hmong to fight communist forces in Laos. While remaining largely hidden from the American public and most of Congress, Momentum became the largest CIA paramilitary operation in the history of the United States. The brutal war, which continued under Presidents Kennedy and Nixon, lasted nearly two decades, killed one-tenth of Laos’s total population, left thousands of unexploded bombs in the ground, and changed the nature of the CIA forever.

Joshua Kurlantzick gives us the definitive account of the Laos war and its central characters, including the four key people who led the operation—the CIA operative who came up with the idea, the Hmong general who led the proxy army in the field, the paramilitary specialist who trained the Hmong, and the State Department careerist who took control over the war as it grew.

The Laos war created a CIA that fights with real soldiers and weapons as much as it gathers secrets. Laos became a template for CIA proxy wars all over the world, from Central America in the 1980s to today’s war on terrorism, where the CIA has taken control with little oversight. Based on extensive interviews and CIA records only recently declassified, A Great Place to Have a War is a riveting, thought-provoking look at how Operation Momentum changed American foreign policy forever.

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10 Wars that never happened. (https://www.rt.com/politics/ten-wars-that-never/)


Laos, the war for the media

The Vietnam War during the late 60s and early 70s dominated the Western media. However, the one war that happened but never happened, according to the news outlets, was that of the bombing of nearby Laos, just west of Vietnam.

Laos is a tiny landlocked country in Southeast Asia. It’s bordered by Burma, China, Vietnam, Cambodia and Thailand. It was dragged into the Vietnam war as eastern parts of the country were invaded and occupied by the North Vietnamese Army, who used it as a staging ground and supply route. As a result, the US initiated devastating bombing campaigns upon Laos.

During the upcoming years of war, which the Western media said was only against Vietnam, more bombs were dropped over Laos than on the whole of Europe in World War II. Despite the fact that Laos was buzzing with journalists eager to report the devastation and the brutality of the campaigns, their voices were muzzled and their stories never revealed until years later.

uzn
20th February 2018, 23:14
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/PoJ-site_1-3.JPG

Judging from the lid this was probably filled with humans as a snack.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tl69hw4YISg/VxvCrxCk1zI/AAAAAAABccE/t2kvpnEAfdoqb3D7DWWDpVeRLKaytyj9gCLcB/s400/frog.jpg

Another interesting stone "thing".
http://www.laostourist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/laos-buddha-park-3-300x200.jpg

http://file.alotrip.com/photo/supportingsite/www.laosguide.info/images/test-new-blog-xem-sao-2.jpeg

https://static.thousandwonders.net/Buddha.Park.original.11705.jpg

Sunny-side-up
21st February 2018, 10:11
Very creepy place.

uzn, your images quite scary and first impression/gut response was to do with Djnn?

The pot with lid could almost be a type of sacrifice container, put someone in alive then add the lid :(

The face door on that weird building reminds me of negative Djinn, do you have any images of it's interior, any downward steps?

As mentioned, my responses are from the gut.

or

Legends and local history

Hmong girls climbing on one of the jars at Site 1
Lao legends tell of a race of giants who inhabited the area and who were ruled by a king, named Khun Cheung, who fought a long and ultimately victorious battle against an enemy. He supposedly created the jars to brew and store huge amounts of lau hai ("lau" means "alcohol", "hai" means "jar"—So "lau hai" means rice beer or rice wine in the jars) to celebrate his victory. Another local story states that the jars were molded from natural materials including clay, sand, sugar, and animal products in a type of stone mix. This led the locals to believe the cave at Site 1 was actually a kiln, and that the jars were fired there and are not actually hewn from stone.

Another suggested explanation for the jars' use is to collect monsoon rainwater for caravan travelers along their journey at times when rain may have been seasonal and water was not readily available on the easiest foot paths. Rainwater would then be boiled, even if stagnant, to become potable again, a practice long understood in Eastern Eurasia. The trade caravans that camped around these jars could have placed beads inside them as offerings, accompanying prayers for rain. Or the beads might simply have been unassociated lost items.
Sauce:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plain_of_Jars

Yet more references of giants in the past:

Lao legends tell of a race of giants who inhabited the area

uzn
21st February 2018, 11:58
Hi Sunny-side-up,
nope, have no pix from inside. But its a weird place called Buddha Park in Laos.
It was built in 1958 by Luang Pu Bunleua Sulilat, a monk who studied both Buddhism and Hinduism. This explains why his park is full not only of Buddha images but also of Hindu gods as well as demons and animals from both beliefs.
Some pix of it:
Here with angel
https://static.thousandwonders.net/Buddha.Park.640.3059.jpg

https://static.thousandwonders.net/Buddha.Park.640.10080.jpg

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/CFDNFE/monument-in-xieng-khuan-buddha-park-vientiane-province-laos-indochina-CFDNFE.jpg

so its quite recent, but the jar i posted is ancient.

Foxie Loxie
21st February 2018, 13:43
WOW! Thanks for the pictures, uzn! :clapping:

Cardillac
21st February 2018, 21:41
there are a lot of unexplained mysterious buildings/structures/skeletons out there (not just in Laos- like start with "everywhere")

just start with N. America (obviously a bit larger than Laos) and the unexplainable (at least in our **** science-based time/explainations) HUGE skeltons of the mound-builders and, thanks to genetic testing, they being predominantly blond/red-headed/blue-eyed, etc.-

gosh!

wow, what a concept (but only for the open-minded- not for the faint of heart)!

Larry

Foxie Loxie
21st February 2018, 22:13
It seems there are many megaliths in Russia as well; so far from "civilization" they are not likely to be explored in any depth. There are SO MANY things on this planet that are "unexplained" that we are supposed to fit within the Established Set of Events! It seems as if there is no longer a true Peer Review in science. People like Klaus Dona can blow our socks off with the things he has found!!:idea: