What is keeping alien species from contacting the general public in a larger way?

[mojo]

Not sure sure if anyone recalls the Italian friendship case of the 50's which seemed to fizzle out? Our forum is way past deciding if there is life out there and the bigger question in my mind is what do you suppose is the reason that ET's are not making themselves more publicly viewed? A mass sighting event or events spread out so that a large number of the public sees might be one way. Some of the advanced species have no fear of our intelligence level and they see our world leaders as nothing to fear. So here it is 2018 and they still haven't come out publicly... Yet many people have witnessed them on a personal level and would love to have their testimony validated someday...

[Eric J (Viking)]

As usual the controllers would shoot them down (well try to anyway) and ask questions later. The good guys are not welcome here...although they have superior technology it would become too messy...if mother earth decides to tilt then that would be a different kettle of fish. Soon hey.. ;-)

Viking

[Bill Ryan]

Not sure sure if anyone recalls the Italian friendship case of the 50's which seemed to fizzle out? Our forum is way past deciding if there is life out there and the bigger question in my mind is what do you suppose is the reason that ET's are not making themselves more publicly viewed? A mass sighting event or events spread out so that a large number of the public sees might be one way. Some of the advanced species have no fear of our intelligence level and they see our world leaders as nothing to fear. So here it is 2018 and they still haven't come out publicly... Yet many people have witnessed them on a personal level and would love to have their testimony validated someday...

The Italian 'Friendship' case (and fascinating it is, too):


The Friendship Case (Il Caso Amicizia), and the book MASS CONTACT (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20948-The-Friendship-Case--Il-Caso-Amicizia--and-the-book-MASS-CONTACT)

Why no mass contact? Excellent question.

Several answers have been suggested, some of which could apply concurrently... after all, there are surely many different ET groups with different agendas.


The cover-up may be being expedited by the ETs themselves — of course. (And equally, they may expedite 'disclosure' any time they see fit.)
They may be gradually conditioning us to accept their existence, just as the intel agencies have been: the reality has been continually drip-fed into our cultural awareness for decades now.
Some ETs may have our best interests at heart, but the information attached to all of that may be too much for us to handle. (They may have knowledge of major future catastrophes, for instance.)
Some ETs may NOT have our best interests at heart, and are acting very covertly. (See Dr David Jacobs' excellent and detailed work on hybrids, as an example.) The adage applies for both ETs and humans: if someone's keeping secrets from you, they're trying to control you.

[Tam]

Pretty much what Bill said.

Another possibility remains, of course, that the vast majority of us are simply too primitive/immature as a species for that kind of contact.

We still slaughter and rape one another en masse, abuse the helpless, have nothing but crooks as leaders, follow backwards religions, and idolize people like Kim Kardashian. And that's just the beginning of it.

Say what you will about Reptilians or demons or whatever, but take a good, hard look at our species, throughout history and now.

I wouldn't blame them if they had little to no desire to mass contact us. We kind of suck, by and large.

[The Moss Trooper]

Because the benevolent races adhere to the creed of not interfering in the natural progression of life in the Universe.

The others......... Well, deals have been made in exchange for advanced tech, amongst other things.

The Earth is going through a Dark Age at the moment. Material possessions count more than a Man's soul. Like a child, man is preoccupied with his technological toys, which he believes will bring him riches and happiness. This shows up in the superficiality of this culture and a careless disregard for nature. In this greedy quest for more complex machines Man is prepared to sacrifice almost anything, his natural environment, animals and even his fellow humans. The dreadful spectre hardly makes for good galactic neighbours.

[Hervé]

Because the benevolent races adhere to the creed of not interfering in the natural progression of life in the Universe.[...]
Interesting:


... not interfering in the natural progression of life in the Universe.... do they have an amendment in their constitution that allows them to interfere in case of un-natural progression?

Do they have a "Do what's right!" policy or principle?

Because, if they don't, then they are as stuck in their programming and beliefs as any other flat-earther... :(

Come to think of it, is there, actually, such a thing as a "progression" in this universe? Or just a selection/segregation process between black and white "hats"?

[The Freedom Train]

Some ETs may NOT have our best interests at heart, and are acting very covertly. (See Dr David Jacobs' excellent and detailed work on hybrids, as an example.) The adage applies for both ETs and humans: if someone's keeping secrets from you, they're trying to control you.
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This is my gut feeling, and while I cannot believe anything really with 100% certainty, it seems to be the most likely scenario. Following this course of thinking, if there are any benevolent ET's, then they are clearly at odds with the ones who are working to control and enslave the human race, and while I would guess that our governments and technology pose no real threat to them, seeing as how they are certainly more advanced than we are, there is a strong likelihood that the malevolent ET's would not take kindly to the "good" ones trying to help us out, free us from slavery, clean the environment, give us their technologies, etc etc. I would guess that they are fighting each other behind the scenes, and I suspect that the "good" ET's employ various tactics to work towards usurping the power and control of the "bad" ones.

[Sunny-side-up]

A wave of sightings of craft/orbs/cigar mother-ships and several different types of beings maybe even a few robots happened in 1954 France/Europe.
Strangely he and that never seems to get talked about?

The great minded French mathematician Aime michell did much work back then.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aim%C3%A9_Michel

Flying Saucers and the Straight-Line Mystery


There were multiple UFO reports, including sightings of aliens in France in late 1954. This book features a month run-down of the more significant ones. It is quite heavy going and somewhat repetitive. The author attempts to find patterns in the sightings and proposes a theory of "orthoteny" to explain it. This means that UFOs fly in straight lines. Michel says it was the poet and novelist Jean Cocteau who implored him "to see whether the objects move along certain lines ... whether their movements coincide with magnetic lines of force."

The book has an enthusiastic preface by General L.M. Chassin, General Air Defense Coordinator, Allied Air Forces, Central Europe (NATO), in which he asserts: "This book should be in every library," and he reasons, "We can therefore say categorically that mysterious objects have indeed appeared and continue to appear in the sky that surrounds us."

As for the aliens that were seen in 1954, they are described as creatures in divers' suits, about three and a half feet tall, wearing helmets, with large heads. However, one being was described as four and a half feet tall, with shaggy hair, dazzling eyes and two lights halfway up its body in front. Various animal reactions are recorded: a dog howled "to wake the dead", another dog was terrified after its encounter three days later and some terrified cows refused to produce milk.

So much has been shown and seen.
have we as a speeches changed much because of it/them?

I can't help but think there are many levels of reality that we slip in and out of, maybe call them time lines if you like.

Maybe we are being made to slip out before we tune in to much.
Fear porn for energies abound, and maybe they now have great amounts of food/energy coming from our continued anticipation and frustrations?

Do we believe in the Montauk_Project and the tampering of time it's self, if we do then that might be part of the hold back right there.
We see our selves progressing, day to day things changing but the main part of our movement through time keeps getting reset.

Maybe like David Icke (Great man of pronominal persistence) says WE need to change our movie/hologram story to let them in to our sight and so contact.

How much of the Alien Phenomenon are actually the Jinn, might be all, both good and bad beings, Angles and Fallen-Angles with us existing it that realm, not space time and matter as we mainly see our selves.

Like as already suggested, about our death and destruction habits (evils), well once you have seen the likes of that you have it in your heart, that might be pushing away the good ET's, when we our selves stop the death and destruction of our selves by our selves, well maybe then they can contact openly with out the blinkers.

Might just simply be our leaders contact and cooperation with negatives that have tipped the balance, the good ones have to sneak in here and there, not in numbers, if numbers they have any more :(


Sorry if I started rambling on there, so many possible angles and possibilities.
great post mojo.

[Wind]

The fact that showing up in a flashy and totally clear way would intervene with our free will and spiritual development, that's a big no no. And how many human psyches could handle something like that?

They did that before and regretted it. They were the "gods" of the old times. Some were good and some weren't. I suspect that a big mass contact will happen when humanity has reachead a certain level of consciousness collectively. Are we there now? When I look at the world, I would say far from it. But still, one day it will happen. Perhaps when we reach Mars officially, something starts to happen. Humans are bound to find the ancient relics there anyways.

[william r sanford72]

What if our idea and concept of contact is completely different than the ets..what if contact isn't even in there vocab and thought process.They being aliens..in every sense of the word.and the above thought came as I was reading the response to mojos thread.as is I'm pretty much onboard and open to all the answers given..another thought/question followed..What if contact on a mass scale is and does and has happened??Yet due to many factors 1 being most refuse to see what is already in front of there faces..also from my point of view I was taught in a instant/moment what out right contact does to even the most open of minds and hearts..On a good day I feel were ready...on a bad day..well...in all this back and forth I feel deeply that ready or not the truth should and will prevail.Great work mojo...

:heart:
William.

[Debra]

I think they are waiting for each and every human on the planet to come out of their bubbles of denial of what their own species is doing to themselves and each other.

Perhaps it’s because that too many people still live in fear at some level, or are too frightened or caught up in themselves to express and give love and warmth to each other, which is debilitating and regressive. Instead of taking the reins of theirs lives and standing up for their right to shine and be their own unique expression, they lock down and continue a pattern of self protection and continue ‘to live’ in a weird sense of security; pretending that material wealth is all they need to survive.

We’ve all heard this before but starting by being honest with ourselves and owning it and evolving from that is I think key for our personal growth, of our own souls and that of humanity .. and is maybe why other beings out there - the nicer and so called more spiritually advanced ETS - see it this way as well. And so perhaps this is why they are not swooping into to save us all at once because how will we sustain if we don’t first learn how to clean up our own messes? That’s not going to happen if someone continually comes in to do it for us. Is it?

Humanity is a tough planet to be on, no doubt about it but if they are doing it bit by bit, perhaps those who have had the fortune to be visited by benevolent beings can suggest they also go see anyone on this list as well. That would be awesome :Music:

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[Hip Hipnotist]

Pretty much what Bill said.

Another possibility remains, of course, that the vast majority of us are simply too primitive/immature as a species for that kind of contact.

We still slaughter and rape one another en masse, abuse the helpless, have nothing but crooks as leaders, follow backwards religions, and idolize people like Kim Kardashian. And that's just the beginning of it.

Say what you will about Reptilians or demons or whatever, but take a good, hard look at our species, throughout history and now.

I wouldn't blame them if they had little to no desire to mass contact us. We kind of suck, by and large.

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[aoibhghaire]

I agree with Wind that a big mass contact will happen when humanity has reached a certain level of consciousness collectively. However, I do believe it may be possible even before then, to reach some consensus reality of their presence as we appear to be in accelerating times.

Contact with Extra-terrestrial Civilisations (ETC) is happening through a well-developed sequence of phases as part of a much larger communications strategy IMHO. Its all part of a preparation of mankind for worldwide or global first contact leading to mankind becoming a member of the cosmic community. I believe its no accident that we appear to have a sequence of phases partly orchestrated by a range of ETCs that are testing and influencing us holistically by demonstrating their existence in different ways. Our efforts and response to them is noted, as we weave through this reciprocal relationship with them. Although it appears to be quite hidden from mainstream worldview,(the perception block) there is this symbiotic endeavor going on, where we become and they become ready for the next phase in our evolution.

Phase No. 1 Sensitization:

Has been going on through research & studies covering all aspects of communications and technologies, telepathically, physically, socially, linguistically, intelligence. The influence of the media: television, documentaries, books, magazines, newspapers, online sites, movies is no accident. Its a collectivization of awakening leading to some sort of consensus reality.

Phase No. 2 Preparation:

Raising awareness within the community at all levels leading to enabling communications with Extra-terrestrial Civilization(s)ETC. I believe positive neutral telepathic communications have been going on for a long time in society, in particular, even influencing some key influential world leaders in the past and present to key persons in the military world. On the other side of the spectrum some members of the young generation have total recall of their mission here on Earth (i.e. ET connection). I believe this has been going on a subconscious level gradually manifesting itself consciously. This is the new level of awareness coming into the planet. We are gradually creating networks, connecting up and cooperating. The many disciplines in society from scientists, engineers, artists and musicians to name a few. Even if mainstream are still dumbed down of this realization, its unavoidable now. Society is gradually wakening up from its sleep mode. We can see this all round us from the fake news to the real news. These preparations are leading to worldwide first contact IMO

Phase No. 3 First Contact:

The development of this contact has already manifested in different ways over some time, however, the timing on a psycho social level worldwide is about right now for contact. The public will become aware of the existence of contact event in whatever form it takes. I wouldn’t expect large spacecraft stationery over every city in world demonstrating there presence, but I would expect a much softer approach for the citizens of this world.

This next phase may lead into scientific & intercultural exchange with ET Civilizations (ETC), information exchange will require a fundamentally new model for interstellar communications either at a distance or around the Earth. This means this would require new preparations for mankind for worldwide first contact event.

The post global contact event could provide universal global communications, where the infrastructure is already in place, that is all encompassing with ETC. This means that an organised global network of distributed communications centres could be established for live streaming. This would require training communications operatives at these communication centres. The centres could act as interfaces for both receiving and transmitting communications from ETC and Earth. Global live streaming incoming communications to the centres would require a wide range of global experts in different subjects for this to be successful.

Although this may appear to be an ideal, I believe this is possible and doable. The realization of this outcome would force whom ever is in authority to take these next steps. The ground swell of people may demand this outcome. Disrupting the existing agendas in governments and UN.

I’m optimistic this type of scenario is a real its just a matter of time that this may become the next stage in out evolution.

[KiwiElf]

Would you want to land in a "Warzone"? We have to "clean house" - and grow up - before that happens ;)

[aoibhghaire]

I agree with you KiwiElf, I wouldn't expect any landings by an ETC. It doesn't make sense with some social conflicts on Earth. I was thinking more of some aspects of there communications, to demonstrate there presence, eventually been made aware of there existence on a global scale.

[Tyy1907]

Ultimately mass contact would cause such a "disturbance" that it would change all future time lines - great change coming from no actions of our own. The karmic legacy would be off the charts. Hence the prime directive from the benevolents.

Course we all know malevolent Ets were/are already on a collision course of darkness so interfering with a less advanced race was right up their alley. Nothing to lose. However they underestimate one thing. That which they do not understand or think even exists. DiviNE realm has sent freedom fighters if you will that have averted great disasters on humanity's behalf. John f. KENNEDY being one. They don't directly intervene, only through human will does action occur. It just seems to be a rule that's adhered to.

Partnering with Creator/divine realm is how the scale will be tipped. How have the bad guys not won yet? It seems they should have by now. Us humans against who? Advanced Ets and manipulated power figures all themselves being manipulated by dark spirits. It's is the few who are strongly connected to Source Creator who continually keep us afloat.

[dim]

we are not that interesting

[Ernie Nemeth]

Our conditioning is so complete, so far-reaching, so totally all-encompassing as to make the ET question a moot point.

The question isn't why haven't "they" contacted us formally. It is why haven't we come to grips with the situation on the ground, here, now. Why do we still accept this atrocious system and this ridiculous society and its dictates. Why won't we stand for our principles and oppose the institutionalized fleecing of the wealth builders. Our world is upside down and inside out and no one seems to give a hoot.

Until we make a stand nothing will happen. No one is coming to our rescue because we do not deserve it. The societies of the light do not need slaves. We are of no value if we cannot at least call a steaming pile what it is and not try to package it in a tidy little meme and call it a rose.

How long could the ostriches continue with their heads stuck in the sand if Pandora's box is opened?

And how long do you think before the entire ET revelation would be monetized, captured, and perverted to the elite's advantage? Maybe that is exactly what has happened already while we were rubbing the sand out of our own eyes...

[EFO]

What is keeping alien species from contacting the general public in a larger way?

Humans are looking for quick results.It doesn't work like that.We need to have patience.For some of us things start happened from an early age and for others later,depending of everyone's level of consciousness.For the rest is depending by many factors.

What is more important is that in the last years and mostly from 2012,many humans are started to awaken and/or raise their consciousness in different more accelerated ways and this process didn't stopped.This process is preparing us for something.This "something" for some will be a stop point from which they will have to figure by themselves how to proceed further and for others a "sign" to continue their path.

We only have to understand that what you will ask,that you will receive - and this is not taken from the bible - it's a fact.The entire human population is divided between good and bad and until we will not decided on which side will be there will be no mass contact,only at personal level.Humans are like kids in kindergarten supervised by a teacher which intervened in class education or in moments of major conflict.When the kids are playing peacefully there is no reason of intervention.But the kids don't understand the reason of education,because they don't understand the future because they don't have experience,but there is a moment when a kid or some kids empathize in their own way with the teacher consider it a guardian/protector/guide and that's the moment of true CONTACT.

So,no matter if THEY are a race/civilization/alliance/federation,THEY are guard/protect/guide us through this process of education at our level of understanding showing us things at the border of our level of understanding to spread THEIR teachings and make more humans to understand the reason of contact.

Not even in ancient times there wasn't mass contact,because every ancient civilization,as today,has it's own level of understanding and in time the initial true teachings has been forgotten due to multiple reasons:
-pre Incas=Viracochas
-Sumerians=Annunaki
-Dacians=Zalmoxes
-Celts=An Dagda
-Egyptians=Ra
-Nordic people=Odin
-Greeks=Zeus
-Romans=Jupiter
-Mongols=Daichin Tengri
-today we have God/Allah/Budha with their branches and so on...

So,one true consciousness - one mass contact.Until then we have to - first consciously discern good from bad,have patience - and meanwhile learn all the information received through all channels.

[ghostrider]

two reasons , the earth human being puts off swinging waves that make ETs physically ill , they think /vibrate at a much higher /finer state ... we would only panic and attack them out of fear ... not everyone on earth thinks like we do , outside of avalon there is much fear ... also they said they don't want another religion created ... they said the earth human being is not capable of making an honest and just peace with his neighbor , much less with someone from another planet ... they said we would in a smokescreen of peace we would only try and seize control of their beamships ... only beings of higher evolution are granted access to greater power ...

[Billy]

My thoughts on this one is that not only contact was made in our not to distant past, many benevolent and malevonent being also lived amongst us. But that did not turn out so well for humans or the other worldly beings on the planet at that time in our history. Therefore we have already been there and I do not think we or them wish to repeat that cycle again.

I think humanity needs to remember and learn the lessons of our past before we continue repeating endless cycles over and over again with no solution as to how we break those cycles. It is our responsibility to break the cycles, not other beings. They are waiting for us to wake up through our free will and choices. Just like you cannot force someone to feel and experience love, also you cannot force wisdom or an awakening on an individual or the masses. Interceding can also be interfering with free will and choices. This has already been done. Personally I do not wish for that to be repeated.

If we already know they exist and have made contact and lived amongst us in our past. Then remembering and learning the lessons brings the wisdom of how to break the cycles and we can all move along as a universal family together. :bowing:

[The Moss Trooper]

The below is part of a chapter from Peter Horsley's autobiography where he relates a meeting between himself and a strange gentleman called Mr. Janus, who Horsley was convinced was 'not of this world'. See the Val Vallient thread for further details.

Part of this meeting fits right-in on this thread. The meeting between Horsley and Janus takes place some time in 1953.

'Why, you may say, don't they land and make contact?

'Most of these vehicles are robot-controlled, space probes monitoring what is going on. Some are manned to oversee the whole programme and to ensure that the probes do not land or crash by accident. They must also ensure that evidence of their existence is kept away from the vast majority of Earth's population. You must be well aware of the damage that your own explorers have done by appearing and living among simple tribes, often leading to a complete disintegration of their society and culture as happened to the Indians and Eskimo. Such impact is far too indigestible and only the most developed societies can cope with such contact.

'Imagine what would happen if the headlines in the world press announced the arrival of a spaceship with a mission of space people. Apart from the psychological shock that there were actually other races far superior to any developed society on Earth there would be complete panic about the motives of such an invasion. There is little doubt its crew, if you could catch them, would be subject to the most humiliating interrogation and treatment.

'The knowledge you might acquire through contact and communication could have effects as disastrous as the so-called benefits of civilisation had on the Indians and the Eskimos. The knowledge must come slowly to those most able to assimilate it in the fullness of time. The basic principle of responsible space exploration is that you do not interfere with the natural development and order of life in the universes any more than you should upset or destroy an ant heap or bee-hive. Man has a lot to learn before he embarks on deep space travel. If you were ready now, which you are not, you would only approach other inhabitants with the deepest of suspicion, inflicting your weapons and diseases upon them in the same irresponsible manner that you are busily destroying wild life on Earth. You will have to grow a lot older and learn how to behave on your own planet, if indeed you do not blow yourselves up between times, before you are ready for galactic travel.

'Since time immemorial there have been tales of vessels coming out of the sky bringing strange visitors. Observers do come among you and make contact on a very selective basis where they judge that such contact could not harm either party. These observers have studied the Earth for a long time. With advanced medical science they have been fitted with the right sort of internal equipment to allow their bodies to operate normally until they leave. It is not very difficult to obtain the right sort of clothes and means to move around quite freely. Your own explorers will appear enormously cumbersome in comparison but then at first they will be operating in the very hostile environments within your solar system. The observers are not interested in interfering in your affairs, but once you are ready to escape from your own solar system it is of paramount importance that you have learnt your responsibilities for the preservation of life everywhere.

'It is equally important that other planetary travellers and inhabitants know something about this outer island, its society and intentions. While you are still far away from travelling in deep space, such contacts will be infrequent and must be conducted with great secrecy. Life in your own solar system is rudimentary and you can do little damage, but once you discover the existence of higher forms of life and intelligent men then dangers will arise through your own fear and misunderstanding.

'The observers have highly developed mental powers, including extra-sensory, thought reading, hypnosis and the ability to use different dimensions, since all parts of the mind and body have not necessary evolved in exactly the same fashion. They do not use weapons of any kind and rely solely on their special powers to look after themselves. They make contact only with selected people where secrecy can be maintained'.

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My thoughts on this one is that not only contact was made in our not to distant past, many benevolent and malevonent being also lived amongst us. But that did not turn out so well for humans or the other worldly beings on the planet at that time in our history. Therefore we have already been there and I do not think we or them wish to repeat that cycle again.

I think humanity needs to remember and learn the lessons of our past before we continue repeating endless cycles over and over again with no solution as to how we break those cycles. It is our responsibility to break the cycles, not other beings. They are waiting for us to wake up through our free will and choices. Just like you cannot force someone to feel and experience love, also you cannot force wisdom or an awakening on an individual or the masses. Interceding can also be interfering with free will and choices. This has already been done. Personally I do not wish for that to be repeated.

If we already know they exist and have made contact and lived amongst us in our past. Then remembering and learning the lessons brings the wisdom of how to break the cycles and we can all move along as a universal family together. :bowing:

Crikey Billy, you could have read the part-chapter I've just posted to formulate that answer!

Wise words indeed Pal.

[Cidersomerset]

sure sure if anyone recalls the Italian friendship case of the 50's which
seemed to fizzle out?

Yeah I have posted it on several threads and there seems ample evidence
people were meeting various groups from Billy Meier to Charles Hall. There
seems to be various reasons why they do not walk into a UN meeting one
day or call a press conference somewhere or just do a spectacular flyby
that no one can mistake for a weather balloon or Swamp gas.

Rendlesham is another massive incident all the cases are disputed or denied
or left as unexplained but there is far to much evidence to suggest this is
all just an illusion or multiple hoax's and misguided people.

The Friendship case was a group of humanoid ET races that have visited
and lived on earth for thousands of years and were worried humanity had
reached the atomic age and were gaining the capability to destroy the earth
itself and more see the doc below.....


https://spectralvision.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/friendshipufo.jpg?
A photo from the Friend ship case..

The day UFOs stopped play......Florance Italy 1954 // UFO Files of the Italian Air Force

http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/3.21.31/orb/4/img/bbc-blocks-dark.png
The day UFOs stopped play
By Richard Padula
BBC World Service Sport
24 October 2014

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29342407
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76303-The-day-UFOs-stopped-play......Florance-Italy-1954-UFO-Files-of-the-Italian-Air-Force


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http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76303-The-day-UFOs-stopped-play......Florance-Italy-1954-UFO-Files-of-the-Italian-Air-Force&p=892612&viewfull=1#post892612

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XCon 2005 - Charles Hall - The Tall Whites - ET Experiences in the Nevada Desert

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50137-XCon-2005-Charles-Hall-The-Tall-Whites-ET-Experiences-in-the-Nevada-Desert&highlight=Billy+Meier+cidersomerset

BBC Headline page 13 July 2015 ....Rendlesham Forest UFO sighting 'new evidence' claim
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83596-BBC-Headline-page-13-July-2015-....Rendlesham-Forest-UFO-sighting-new-evidence-claim

Billy Meier and Ptaah (ET) talking about 2012....Contact 476 3/2/2009
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43426-Billy-Meier-and-Ptaah--ET--talking-about-2012....Contact-476-3-2-2009

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Five Star UK Admiral & Chief of Defense on UFOs

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Published on 13 Feb 2014
Admiral of the Fleet Peter John Hill-Norton, Baron Hill-Norton, GCB (8 February
1915 -- 16 May 2004) was a senior Royal Navy officer. He fought in World War II
as gunnery officer in a cruiser operating on the Western Approaches and in the
North Sea taking part in the Norwegian Campaign, then in a cruiser taking part in
the Arctic convoys and finally in a battleship operating in the Eastern Fleet. After
the War he commanded a destroyer and then an aircraft carrier. He served as First
Sea Lord and Chief of the Naval Staff and then Chief of the Defence Staff in early
1970s. In the latter role he gave the final commitment to Project Chevaline, the
Polaris missile improvement programme. He went on to be Chairman of the NATO
Military Committee.

[Agape]

Because the benevolent races adhere to the creed of not interfering in the natural progression of life in the Universe.[...]
Interesting:


... not interfering in the natural progression of life in the Universe.... do they have an amendment in their constitution that allows them to interfere in case of un-natural progression?

Do they have a "Do what's right!" policy or principle?

Because, if they don't, then they are as stuck in their programming and beliefs as any other flat-earther... :(

Come to think of it, is there, actually, such a thing as a "progression" in this universe? Or just a selection/segregation process between black and white "hats"?



I think they do but there are differences .

It seems to me that the whole question of WHY there’s not more revelation and introduction to any visiting civilisation falls to this very category of different a/biological pattern b/frequency spectrum c/principles of psychological and social amendment and so forth .

If we can agree here ( some will some won’t ) that contact between us has already happened , in multiple ways , attempts and scenarios ..but very little has been revealed ,
depending again who and how looks at it ,

what’s been shared already could be mostly based on similarities between any ‘them’ and ‘us’ .
Similarity allows insight , some level of empathy and shared historical and social perspective or experience . It has to be based in what’s biologically acceptable or at least, adaptable to both species as well.

It may be for example : shared views on planetary ecology , common methods enabling treatment of certain type of diseases , technical knowledge that is applicable to both civilizations ..or say, shared love for arts and music .

When it comes to ‘abstract’ knowledge such as ours and theirs understanding of mathematics and physics , it’s tempting to see there would be vast opportunity for communication and understanding each other, without unnecessary emotional bias
but in fact ,

the ‘abstracts’ platform is universally so manifold that them and us may not be expanding on the same calculus at all ,
since its pathways run long from prehistory and no matter how advanced are the systems they or us evolved they’re still based in path of its evolutionary certainty whereas the idea of ‘other dimensional maths’ remains hypothetical and without many practical applications and as such also offers only hypothetical communication pathway .

The same could be said perhaps about ‘theirs and ours’ understanding of spirituality , music or art .
Even if we can admire it supposing we can recognise it as such at all,
based on the vast biological and generally , evolutionary difference it’d be hard to replicate in detail and for most , difficult to ‘resonate with’ at all.

So the threshold of difficulty and reason why there are no obvious revelations occurring behind the threshold is what I see
as natural dissonance that is higher ( not lower ) for any advanced species and civilisation longer they live independent of each other

and sharing more ..that is crossing this proverbial threshold ..would only mean introduction to more differences and dissonance .

And since we are considering the human kind here who are still very unsettled from within and allergic and neurotic about their own inner options and differences and so reactive to them that is produced too many fires and war zones ,

what would be the result of introducing the human mind to yet another, more different and dissonant pattern ?

Taken the structure of human brain is pretty deterministic and hardly as versatile as we wish for , deterministic in its habits and principles and alterations or ‘implants’ ( not meant literally here but even if ) of different patterns such as ‘foreign cultures ‘ cause lots of chaos , confusion and sometimes madness ,

the danger of long term exposure to totally different biological , chemical or frequency pattern could be also extremely damaging , painful , confusing ,
not because the other pattern is harmful but because it is totally different .

Intriguingly , most contact and abduction or sighting experiences and their post revelations happen in ‘glimpses’ and couple of minutes or hours at most during which the human organism becomes conscious of the contact , can retain some level of awareness and memories and then ‘report itself back’ to its own inherent set up and awareness in order to process the experience .

In different scenarios yet where humans and others communicated for longer than this, be it days or years ( since time between different time-Space continuum’s is slippery and alternative phenomenon , after all) the physical and biological settings had to be altered and adjusted to large degree so that the ‘host civilisation ‘ and ‘guest civilization’ could literary survive each other’s presence and explore their common features .
The question begs why does it not occur more frequently or why even those instances are seldom very revelatory or successful , either for the host or the guest

but presuming we are discussing advanced species with millions of years of differing evolutionary pathways and therefor huge level of natural dissonance ,

logic suggests that such co-habitations requiring complete adaption of physical environ in favour of one species on behalf of the other are either costly ,
that is economically and practically ‘cutting edge’ option that has to be fitted precisely to the guest organisms need or they can be only very temporary and limited .

It would be similar in case of trying to host advanced ET organism on Earth , presumably more advanced than ourselves in more aspects we could possibly determine and pour the civilisation ( what you call ‘tax-payers’ ) money into just that . I believe that it’s already occurred within the secret space programs and YET it was not very successful endeavor compared to what it could be .
Either because we are not technically advanced enough ..and so the exploration and communication level remained in low quality or we would have failed and fainted to keep any such organism alive for long time .

To cut this short ...

what are any possible solutions to the problem ?


Is patience and sharing by bits an option ?

Is progress possible ?

Can we adjust or be adjusted and would we agree to it for the boon of getting more knowledge ?

Here I would say ..there are Universally applicable ethical principles to be followed and if we can’t do any better it has to be the outcomes outweighing the risks at least, at least .
For long term benevolent relationships the ratio should be more harmonious since if there are too many risks , results tend to fall to shaky category as well and end up in the ‘undecided ‘ drawer.
Risk reduction could be then the major determinant to more oper and real contact scenario in future , in my opinion .

Better the conditions here better the outcomes ..(but have you noticed what’s going on , on Earth ..ehh hmm) . Sorry for typos.


:bowing:

[Cidersomerset]

The below is part of a chapter from Peter Horsley's autobiography where
he relates a meeting between himself and a strange gentleman called Mr. Janus,
who Horsley was convinced was 'not of this world'. See the Val Vallient thread for
further details.


1960's Sir Peter Hosley very high ranking British officer Air Marshall ...

There is so much testimony from military and civil pilots ,police and public that
culminated in Steven Greer's two major press conferences with witness disclosure
and the alternate congressional hearings a couple years ago and much more.....

8Ukdn6M8NP0
Published on 20 Apr 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ukdn6M8NP0

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There is a segment about this from a UK doc ......

UFO Files - Air Marshall Sir Peter Horsley's Alleged Close Encounter of the Third Kind

fX6r8dwQN14

Published on 30 Nov 2009
In July 1949, he was promoted squadron leader and appointed equerry to Princess
Elizabeth and Prince Philip. Following King George VI's death on February 6 1952 he
became equerry to the Queen and, from 1953 until 1956, equerry to the Duke of
Edinburgh.

At first, Horsley was expected to carry out normal RAF duties as commander of No
29, a Meteor IX jet night fighter squadron at Tangmere in Sussex, in tandem with
Palace duties. In 1953 the problem was resolved when Horsley was invited to join
Prince Philip's staff full time. In this period Horsley also pushed forward
arrangements for Prince Philip to learn to fly.

He also became interested in Unidentified Flying Objects and began a prolonged
investigation into the more credible reports of sightings. Horsley concluded that
whereas the majority could be eliminated by natural occurrences, there were some
RAF and British Overseas Airways sightings which defied explanation. In his
biography, he gives a detailed account of what he believed to be contact with an
extraterrestrial.

From 1971, Horsley was commander of No 1 Group's nuclear deterrent bomber
force. After two years he became Deputy C-in-C, Strike Command, where he
remained until retirement in 1975.

[Red Skywalker]

My personal view is that there are a couple of reasons:

1.THEY are afraid of us (shooting down their craft and our animal like behavior)

2. There is a space war going on (seems that is finally settled but not yet finished on the Earth's surface. Hopefully this will be settled soon but we have to do that ourselves, although there is invisible help.)

3. WE have lost the understanding of the workings of the Universe. If we would understand that, we would live in a whole different (peaceful) way. Now we dance and play around with forces that can be very dangerous, but also very beneficial, if understood. Which we don't and leads to point 1.

Understanding the physics of the Universe is two folded:
mechanical and spiritual. Both can be unified in one practical understanding of the mechanical working and origin of consciousness. That mechanical working is of course not explainable by the present physics. So that needs new out of the box thinking idea's. One example is "The Electric Universe" in astronomy, which replaces gravity planetary motions by electrical charge and Birkeland currents. Many unexplained phenomena can be explained with that idea. But it still falls under pseudo-scientific cosmological ideas... like almost all new ideas.

And that is maybe why THEY have not shown up, imo.

[Cidersomerset]

There seems to be a fair amount in Italian...
and like Charles Hall , Billy Meier , Travis Walton
and others they are sticking to their truths.....

23 07 2016 Conferenza Gaspare De Lama -
Recanati presso studio Osteopatico Sutherland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5ByebzyD_Y

Published on 14 Sep 2016

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Intervista a Gaspare De Lama

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaEIByBaHpA

Published on 2 May 2017
Al minuto tot (1.30.00 quello che è) il concetto esatto è
che i CTR hanno disturbato da carognette i w56 che
lasciavano la base, e non viceversa!

Intervista a Gaspare De Lama

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CONTACT (puntata n°5) IL CASO AMICIZIA W56
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIp2EnAZ5o4
Gruppo Ricerche Intelligenze Aliene

Published on 5 Aug 2015
Quinta puntata di Contact dedicata al fantastico caso amizizia, in questa puntata
parleremo con due testimoni oculari ,Gaspare De Lama e sua moglie Mirella Bergamini.

There are many on U'tube but not found any more in English yet....

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Edit...This one has English sub titles...

The Friendship case Interview with Gaspare De Lama by Ivan Ceci SD

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Published on 2 Sep 2015
For more information on this contactee case, see "UFO Secret: The Friendship Case,
Voltaire, and Germain" at http://dream-prophecy.blogspot.com/20...

[Hervé]

When one takes the vast amount of abductions which have taken place along the ages...

... how is that for "contact"? ... on a very large scale!

Generations after generations!

If there is one thing I am convinced Simon Parkes reported accurately was his mentor telling him about their abductees:
"They are not supposed to remember!"
Then, when one considers the cases, repeated/reproduced/duplicated multiple times, of "The Third Man in the Room" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33129-CIA-Mind-control-Techniques......&p=342048&viewfull=1#post342048) and the manipulation of the human mind for eons (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52786-MATRIX-REVEALED-Analysis-Solutions); Jacques Vallée's conclusion that UFO phenomena are indistinguishable from psychic phenomena starts to make a lot more sense than anything else because it becomes a perception conundrum.

[Agape]

Not sure sure if anyone recalls the Italian friendship case of the 50's which seemed to fizzle out? Our forum is way past deciding if there is life out there and the bigger question in my mind is what do you suppose is the reason that ET's are not making themselves more publicly viewed? A mass sighting event or events spread out so that a large number of the public sees might be one way. Some of the advanced species have no fear of our intelligence level and they see our world leaders as nothing to fear. So here it is 2018 and they still haven't come out publicly... Yet many people have witnessed them on a personal level and would love to have their testimony validated someday...


I have to confess I base my observations on personal experience and one that’s life long , vis my post above but feeling the need to clarify .
Since I have experienced communication and in some cases ‘contact’ with advanced non-human entities since childhood and that was time before the computer and internet era and no one in family was ‘into this’ and my human family were very rationally oriented people who discouraged any ‘outlandish’ interest especially in children .
So there was no way I could discuss it at home or with my friends neither I felt the need to do that until I had what qualified with me ‘real contact’ experience in Bodhgaya 2002.
But the term ‘friendship’ describes my relationship and experience with the other entities very well. Of course it’s only now as older adult that I have the words and platform or even daring ness to give names to it.
By their appearance they were more advanced humanoids and palpably coming from far away , visitors here in short. They were never scary or frightening in any manner or by the principles they abide and kept to, with me and in general. In short, if they could do no good they’d never do harm , to us or each other.
I’m talking of entities I’ve been in touch with , not generalizing and I know more about it now to admit they’re unfortunately not the only ones around.
But where ‘my friends’ are concerned they’re protective of themselves and us and do not keep any ‘pacts’ with evil entities ,
in fact I can sense they try to keep as much distance from them as possible .

But back to my relationship with them , I was surprised actually , more than one time in my life when I could see that progression happens and that they’ve been behind my evolution path as well, waiting patiently till I was mature enough to understand more .
It also seemed to me that while they care about my safety and good environment that it really does not matter to them which place on the planet are we, momentarily .

They accelerated my psycho-spiritual evolution as kid and teenager and it was time before the internet and I did not understand what’s going on a lot , I drew pictures and did some strange maths at that time that no one understood and was very open to what I felt to be a contact with ‘higher dimension’ even though I was not able to define entities at that time and my openness turned to creativity and dissonance with human family and collective for many years.

Then I ‘came back’ to evolve as human being for many years but that was only thanks to ‘Mother India’ and being called there from deep within, meeting with authentic masters , studying Vedas and meditation , I was in harmony with humanity and paradoxically , detached from inner experiences .

The next time my contact experiences continued they fell on more stable grounds with me and there was visible progress . It was not only insights, abstract information or sensations , there was more real ‘face to face’ communication and I knew more of who and how they are.

Even then , I know I can’t ‘force’ anything . I can call them in but it’s for short time and it’s for the way how time-Space physics works and it’s like living in water -aquarium of space and time that are semi-opened systems.

As inquisitive creature and after I tried my best with reporting the Bodhgaya data on real origin of humankind , of course I questioned them many times on why not coming closer or showing us ‘real proofs’ of their presence . Naturally it would dispel many doubts and sufferings of those involved .

The answer was more like no news . Just the same message that sounds like ‘you know you understand the reasons , we’ve told you or showed you many times ‘ .
That’s like ‘you can’t go over that threshold ‘. If you insist and we get you there unprepared you will get experience , acceleration and knowledge but ..if it’s not the right time you will suffer for it .
I’ve already experienced what happens after each of those contacts and how the human society neither ones own individual organism can cope very well.
It tends to end up in ‘reversal’ that is very unpleasant for the individual ( and worse cases occur as well ). But with benevolent entities the worst case scenario is you end up feeling sick for timebeing plus quite detached from human undertakings and relationships .
It tends to break families . People end up wrong ways , jobless, homeless , in institutions. I could sense it’s not what these advanced entities want for me or us to happen .
Sometimes I feel they themselves ask ‘do you want to do more’ and when you’re not ready they won’t force you .
They generally seem to contact people when circumstances are good enough , in favour of both parties.

It may be all the trick , actually . Not a good excuse but too often I felt that much could be done if circumstances were conducive and helpful to this rather than harsh or too stressful .
It still does not make huge sense to me why they don’t contact some billionaires who have all the time and money for the venue since ‘losing job’ would not matter a lot there :) But, maybe those people are too attached to their selves by nature and contact with advanced entities is a matter of choice&consent and can’t be forced.

It probably stands on that principle, of benevolence and choice . Choice means , you choose one option and discard the other . What you get in this case is relationship and intelligence from other entities and what you lose ..could have been carrier , human family , casual relationships and opportunities ..it’s quid pro quod.

But could be all my pure speculation as well .

[East Sun]

The self proclaimed elite have been trying very hard to deny that ETs exist. This way they can control us which they have been doing for a long time. Also the military and NASA have their own agendas that includes lying to us.
So there is imo a plan to keep us in the dark as much as possible and a denial of the reality that exists.
No disclosure is likely any time soon.

ET's, being very advanced know the situation and may still have an agreement with some Gvts.

[The Moss Trooper]

The below is part of a chapter from Peter Horsley's autobiography where
he relates a meeting between himself and a strange gentleman called Mr. Janus,
who Horsley was convinced was 'not of this world'. See the Val Vallient thread for
further details.



1960's Sir Peter Hosley very high ranking British officer Air Marshall ...

There is so much testimony from military and civil pilots ,police and public that
culminated in Steven Greer's two major press conferences with witness disclosure
and the alternate congressional hearings a couple years ago.....

8Ukdn6M8NP0
Published on 20 Apr 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ukdn6M8NP0

==================================================

There is a segment about this from a UK doc ......

UFO Files - Air Marshall Sir Peter Horsley's Alleged Close Encounter of the Third Kind

fX6r8dwQN14

Published on 30 Nov 2009
In July 1949, he was promoted squadron leader and appointed equerry to Princess
Elizabeth and Prince Philip. Following King George VI's death on February 6 1952 he
became equerry to the Queen and, from 1953 until 1956, equerry to the Duke of
Edinburgh.

At first, Horsley was expected to carry out normal RAF duties as commander of No
29, a Meteor IX jet night fighter squadron at Tangmere in Sussex, in tandem with
Palace duties. In 1953 the problem was resolved when Horsley was invited to join
Prince Philip's staff full time. In this period Horsley also pushed forward
arrangements for Prince Philip to learn to fly.

He also became interested in Unidentified Flying Objects and began a prolonged
investigation into the more credible reports of sightings. Horsley concluded that
whereas the majority could be eliminated by natural occurrences, there were some
RAF and British Overseas Airways sightings which defied explanation. In his
biography, he gives a detailed account of what he believed to be contact with an
extraterrestrial.

From 1971, Horsley was commander of No 1 Group's nuclear deterrent bomber
force. After two years he became Deputy C-in-C, Strike Command, where he
remained until retirement in 1975.

Here is a report of the crew of the Vampire jet that encountered a UFO as mentioned by Peter Horsley in the clip Cidersomerset posted.

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On the 3rd November 1953, Flight Lieutenant Terry S Johnson & his navigator, flying officer Geoffery Smythe, based at RAF West Malling, were flying a vampire NF-10 at 30,000 feet when Johnson suddenly spotted a bright circular object dead ahead, about a mile away. Glowing with greater intensity about its periphery, than at the centre.

"After about 10 seconds it moved to our right at very high speed. It did not appear on Geoffs radar screen at any time".

On landing at West malling, the men were questioned by Squadron Commander Furze, who reported the sighting to the Station Commander - Group Captain P Hamley. He took a special interest, having sighted foo fighters in the second world war.

The men were called to the Air Ministry, to give a full account to the Duke of Edinburgh's Equerry (Air Marshall Sir Peter Horsley). They were told that Prince Phillip (a qualified pilot) was interested in flying saucers.

[Justplain]

The reason why ETs dont want to contact is because they want to remain hidden. If you have experienced an abduction you'll see that they are harvesting us. There wont be a nuclear war because they'd stop it cuz we're not allowed to ruin their farm.

If you have read Truman Cash's books, you'll know that all four ET groups are involved in harvesting humans, the grays do a lot of abductions and programming, the mantids control the soul recycling, the pleaidians implant false religions and insidious secret societies and the reptilians foment conflict. The soul harvesting has humans reincarnating under the direction of the ETs. The massive size and number of ET bases on and around Earth is evidence to the scale of this project.

I believe this ET harvesting only involves a fraction of Earth humans, but still a significant number. The untouched souls are likely living normal incarnational experiences.

The benevolent ETs, if there are any, havent stopped this trap, so somehow, those affected have to find their own way out. Truman thinks that past life, and past abduction, memory retrievals can help with this.

I wouldnt trust any ET disclosure, its likely a ruse. The benevolent ones dont need secrecy, but when they help equip us to break this trap, cuz the evil ET's control this world, then will be the time to meet the good ones, and only then.

[Foxie Loxie]

What an insightful post, Justplain! Thank you so much! :highfive:

[The Moss Trooper]

The reason why ETs dont want to contact is is because they want to remain hidden. If you have experienced an abduction you'll see that they are harvesting us. There wont be a nuclear war because they'd stop it cuz we're not allowed to ruin their farm.

If you have read Truman Cash's books, you'll know that all four ET groups are involved in harvesting humans, the grays do a lot of abductions and programming, the mantids control the soul recycling, the pleaidians implant false religions and insidious secret societies and the reptilians foment conflict. The soul harvesting has humans reincarnating under the direction of the ETs. The massive size and number of ET bases on and around Earth is evidence ot the scale of this project.

I believe this ET harvesting only involves a fraction of Earth humans, but still a significant number. The untouched souls are likely living normal incarnational experiences.

The benevilent ETs, if there are any, havent stopped this trap, so somehow, those affected have to find their own way out. Truman thinks that past life, and past abduction, memory retrievals can help with this.

I wouldnt trust any ET disclosure, its likely a ruse. The benevolent ones dont need secrecy, but when they help equip us to break this trap, cuz the evil ET's control this world, then will be the time to meet the good ones, and only then.

There is definitely a human element to the abduction phenomena, a distinct military presence, whether as observers, or a more sinister angle is unknown at this stage. At least by us, on the 'outside'. If anyone has spent enough time studying this fascinating subject, it leads to an inevitable question as to whether all proponents of the abduction phenomena are 'alien' in nature, alien/human, or human. I am convinced that it is a mixture of the two. And that is quite a scary conclusion to arrive at.

[Valerie Villars]

I believe fear is partially what prevents them from having open contact with us and us from seeing them. And they don't have to land here in anything. They are already here. I know because I have had contact with some of them and for a long time, and still, it was and is very puzzling. They are just different from us and their energy is very different. You know there is something very different about them, even though they look somewhat the same. Benevolent contact must happen on a somewhat "equal" vibrational level. No matter how open minded a person is, it is still going to be very difficult for many people, as they are now, not to lose it and doubt their sanity.

[Cidersomerset]

Aspects of all the answers above could be true and more..


If you have read Truman Cash's books, you'll know that all four ET groups
are involved in harvesting humans

More than four groups seem to be visiting than the four mentioned but they
maybe some of the more active...

57 varieties of aliens Sgt. Clifford Stone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqahF0nb7rM
Published on 15 Aug 2008
Sgt. Clifford Stone of the US Army explains how 57 varieties of alien beings
had been catalogued by 1989.

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In the vid below Paul Helyer says hes aware of five and maybe as many as twenty.

4 Alien Species visited earth for 1000s of years EX Canadian Minister of
Defense Paul Hellyer

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Published on 5 May 2013...Not sure of air date ?

[Cidersomerset]

This interview is on the link and it is in HD as he tells his story I remember it from
his Camelot vid. Now Why would he and all the others make this up and be so
consistent ? Is he part of some mind control programme ? a hoaxer ? or something
else ? To me he seems genuine like most of the others .....

Veritas Radio | Sgt Clifford Stone | Eyes Only: The Story of Clifford Stone and UFO Crash Retrievals

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Published on 24 Mar 2012

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This interview with Sgt. Clifford Stone was filmed at the 2012 International UFO
Congress. This section offers audio only. To watch video of this interview CLICK
HERE.

"My name is Sergeant 1st Class, US Army, Clifford Stone. I had a secret clearance
with nuclear assurity. I was called in on special operations, I participated in crash
recovery missions. There were bodies involved. Some were alive. While we were
doing this, we were telling the world there was nothing to it."

Wow. It's great to hear from someone who's actually worked with crashed UFOs,
and the ETs found on board. Retired from the U.S. Army after 22 years, Sgt. Stone
has been revealing what he saw and knows since Dr. Steven Greer's 2001 National
Press Club DISCLOSURE PROJECT conference. You've seen the YouTube footage
(over a billion views, Mel says). Stone is the guy whose answer to a question is that
the government has catalogued at least 57 ET species.

Stone was trained to be an ET first responder. He had a kind of field guide to ET
types and how to keep them alive until medics arrived.Stone was also an interfacer,
brought in to communicate with live EBEs; telepathically, of course.

Like so many whose lives become entangled with ET realities, Stone hints that he
was probably cultivated from a young age for future assignments. He talks about
one strange "training mission" to "Florida," where they came upon Grays at a
gently placed, but shrapnel spewed B-52 in what was likely a Cambodian
jungle. "CLIF-FORD. WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?" He is asked, telepathically.

We hear about a downed craft in Virginia, of all places, where Stone was brought in
to interface with an EBE. The little guy exuded fear. He asked Stone for help. Said
there was a big problem ahead. Stone got ET home, safe and sound.

Why are we seeing so many UFOs these days, Mel asks.

"I think they know something we don't, and that's the part that worries me," says Stone.

Stone has amassed over 500 million pages of documents in support of his case that
the U.S. has been involved with ETs since the early 40s, if not before, and he's still
at it. He's got a new book out that he hopes will encourage others to reveal their ET
experiences.

"Our visitors have rogue elements with access to technology," Stone says. "But
with that said, if any of these rogue elements were to threaten us, others would
come to our aid and neutralize that threat. That may be what's happening out in
space. Something is.

"Someone needs to come and say: 'First of all don't panic, but here's the facts.'
That will be the start of disclosure. Otherwise some event is going to happen that
thousands of people will witness. A lot of people will panic and we'll be our own
worst enemies.

"I want my message to be one of enlightenment, and hope for a new beginning and
a brighter future. Yes they're here. They're not hostile. They are very spiritually and
technologically evolved. They mean us no harm."

You'll want to catch Mel's 2009 interview with Sgt. Stone in the Veritas archives.

===================================================

UFO Crash Recovery - Sgt. Clifford Stone Testifies

Sirius Disclosure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GnGGCaC6P4

Published on 4 Nov 2013
Sergeant Clifford Stone, US Army.
For more information, visit http://www.SiriusDisclosure.com.

Subscribe at http://www.youtube.com/sdisclosure.
Sergeant Stone tells an amazing story about the history of UFO's and
extraterrestrials dating back to the early 40's and probably before. General Douglas
MacArthur organized a group called the Interplanetary Phenomena Research Unit
back in 1943 to study this issue and it continues to this day. Their purpose is to
recover objects of unknown origin particularly those that are of non-Earthly origin.
They obtain field intelligence information and pass it on to those who are
the "keepers of this information." This unit was thought to be working in
conjunction with Bluebook but in fact was not.

[Valerie Villars]

What Agape said makes a lot of sense from my own experience. Somehow, fear left me and then I was able to see and interact with these beings. But not being on the same level, it did indeed disrupt my life in the material sense and alienated me from many people and situations for a while. It is definitely not something that can be defined. It defies what we consider "normal" explanation. So, it then tends to make the experiencer look insane according to "normal" society. I was lucky enough to have circumstances end up in my favor, but for a long time, it didn't seem like it was in my favor. All in all, there is a heavy supernatural element to all of it.

[mojo]

Ty Vallerie Villars for sharing that and you are not alone as you can see from some of the responses. Back in 2010 a spike of activity hit here and caught some on film. But it hasn't been an easy road like being accused of hoaxing and never really pushed for anything over the seasons and years of evidence gathering and try and be a good witness with no monetary gain or public fame, but still my integrity which is all that mattered to me was attacked by hurtful people.

[The Moss Trooper]

Ty Vallerie Villars for sharing that and you are not alone as you can see from some of the responses. Back in 2010 a spike of activity hit here and caught some on film. But it hasn't been an easy road like being accused of hoaxing and never really pushed for anything over the seasons and years of evidence gathering and try and be a good witness with no monetary gain or public fame, but still my integrity which is all that mattered to me was attacked by hurtful people.

Well said mojo.

[Justplain]

In response to some comments above,

a) the variety of reported ETs are more than the 4 groups i mentioned. That is true. There are supposedly 'spiritual' grays, etc. Sure there might be rogue groups, etc. But, the huge estimated volume of abductions does seem to indicate that this harvesting is no small affair. And, whomever the 'good guy' ETs are, they have clearly not halted this activity. According Truman Cash's research these abductions occur over multiple lifetimes, which IS extremely insidious.

b) milabs: yes, it certainly appears that the black ops military are involved in some of the current abductions, often in conjunction with the grays. However, this is a relatively recent phenomenon since Truman and his resesrch subjects have past life recollections of abductions before last century. So milabs happen, and our blackops are either psychopaths and/or under ET mind control.

c) the desireability of contact: MV Summers identified in the 90's that the ETs that wanted into Earth were two or three competing galactic collectives that want to subvert us into a slave colony. Karla Turner's research also shows this. I have woken up on a gray's labtable while they were sucking fluids out of my leg, painfully. I still bear the scars. Truman Cash's research shows that evil ETs are behind most/all of Earth's fake religions and insidious secret societies. Who would deny that secret societies run this world?

Good ETs, if they exist, have not prevented these crimes against humanity. One has to conclude that they dont give a rats ass. So, we need to take care of ourselves. Dont believe we arent civilized enough to join the galactic community, it appears that most/all of our wars and covettiveness is prompted by ETs through their mind controlled secret societies and religions. When we have thrown off these shackles, and connect with our divine higher selves, thru love i believe, we can deal properly with these tyrants. Till then, beware of their manipulations and lies, and beware of trojan horse fake alien saviours. Disclosure has been done and the ETs are there, and most arent trustworthy. I say stay clear of them till we connect ourselves securely to our divine source.

[Keajran]

we are not that interesting

We make for good batteries tho.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

There are many good answers here, and a lot of them contain aspects of truth. But the real reason why they aren't making mass contact - the overriding reason - I don't think has been mentioned.

All the pieces of the puzzle are scattered over 70+ years of ufology. All those years ago, when contact really began (during and after the war years), UFOs started appearing in droves. They were here to monitor, to offer a hand. They wanted to steer us along a different, more positive direction, as well as end the nuclear nonsense. That concerned them very much.

After WWII, this positive ET presence made moves, and tried very hard to open the way for full-scale contact. This was during the Eisenhower years.

They offered us so much: true knowledge of human history, spiritual insight, advanced technology, and ultimately the means to heal (and rebuild) the world. It would've totally transformed human civilization, and much for the better. Their only stipulation? total disarmament. Particularly nuclear weapons. They only lead to one destination: worldwide catastrophe. They had to go, forever.

Our leaders refused. There is some pretty good evidence and testimony - read some Tim Good - that Eisenhower met with these so-called 'space hippies' on at least two occasions, once quite famously (in ufology) at Holloman AFB in '55. The red menace still loomed large in those days, and Eisenhower was not ready to share the world with them. Furthermore, ET contact (worldwide) would mean the government, the military, religion - all the control matrices of the world - would fold up, become obsolete overnight..

So the answer was a polite but firm no.

Enter...other aliens. Aliens that could offer all the above - particularly technology - but without an asking price – keep your control, keep your nukes, keep your secrecy and keep your control. [perhaps there was one price: non-interference from us with what these ETs wanted, which was possibly wide scale abductions]. From this point on, it was all black projects, SSPs - and the CIA. They ran things from hereon. The well-intentioned Eisenhower lost his grip on the reins of power. By the time he realised it, it was too late.

In brief
Our leaders refused the offer of widespread contact from positive ETs. All the ground crews that were here, integrated amongst us for that big transformation to come, were sent packing. They honoured our choice, and there was no reason to stay. The waves of UFO flaps in the 1940's, 50's, 60's disappeared. Those living among us left the planet (Friendship One included). Contactees became extinct.

Other ETs came in, not so good ETs -- they were invited in. That is important to consider; this is free will, our free will. The good ETs had to honour it, and accept our (very stupid) decision. But the 'positives' watch from a distance, and sightings and occasional flaps still occur (so do nuclear interventions - regardless of free will, we are not allowed to destroy this planet). Their goal is to gently nudge their reality into the general consciousness, and change the momentum of energy, and opinion, on this planet. But it has to be a gradual process.

--

This is my theory and conclusion after many years of investigation and study of the subject. It may not chime with everyone, but adding all the pieces of this grand puzzle together (the mystery of it is not all that complex) this is what it all adds up to - almost unquestionably.

[Foxie Loxie]

Appreciated your take on all this, Star Mariner. It is most interesting to hear from those who HAVE had contact & I loved the idea that we are living in an aquarium-like space time bubble. That really helps in trying to visualize the Big Picture! :ufo:

[Jad]

I think that there’s something equaly important which is the state of our conflicted minds. Lets take an average Joe for example: his thoughts, intentions, and actions are totally out of sync. For convenience or maybe politeness he tells his wife that the Duck Confit she cooked was delicious where in fact he felt it was barely average! Now this may seem innocent (white lie) or not important cause no one got hurt, but it created disharmony within him. Now add hundreds maybe thousands of similar innocent incidents like this then you see that this person is no longer aligned with the truth. Multiply that by billions of people, and you see exactly the state of “normal” disharmony that our species is experiencing on this planet. So when almost everyone is not aligned with the truth within themselves, do you think they will be aligned with the universal truths such as that we are not alone? On the other hand, we often hear how ETs can communicate telepathically with each other, this limits the conflict within them. So maybe if we can limit that conflict within us then we will be able to be on their level and contact would come naturally.

[Agape]

Star Mariner :
total disarmenment

Star Mariner, thank you so much for passing the message . Yes each of us on this thread made some good points but this maybe crucial.

It completely resonates with what I’ve ever got from the entities I’ve had contact with over the years. It’s not for any rigid law of non-interference as it is for the pure and benevolent entities rejecting to be cause or part of conflict and when they observe human civilisation from bird perspective they seem to see not only war zones and absence of organised guided society the way it functions on their planets, they also seem to see potential fire zones at very many places.

The message was repeated so many times that it almost became a cliche. And thorn in the eye of many who try to defend what they perceive as natural, Machiavellian principle behind human evolution : a state of conflict.

It’s very sad to see how little true benevolence is present and supported through out all versions of modern human nations and societies, from the primitive to the most advanced. Dignity, decency and benevolence are being ridiculed, criticised as insufficient means of guidance, in favour of strong words, weapons and nukes on the top of our modern hierarchical orders.
Who would have ever guessed we can’t get over it and the war will continue, within and without. Humanity is so far its own worst enemy.

Thank you for the courage of saying this and I completely believe that open contact with advanced and benevolent entities will be an option once there’s Peace on Earth, sadly-possibly-simply not earlier than that.


:heart:

[Justplain]

Why should contact with 'good guy' aliens be restricted to a top down process? These 'good guy' off worlders should realize that Earth's politicians and military are controlled by evil secret societies which are in turn controlled by evil ETs.

This narrative that the 'good guy' ETs were rejected and packed their bags and went home seems naive to me. If these ETs were so benevolent, they'd find a way to contact the good grass roots people and help empower them to overthrow these creeps.

I think the supposed benevolent ETs havent intervened cuz they have their own agenda, and likely not in our own best interest.

And, another point, is that the evil ETs have not just been here since the 1950's, they have been here since our start. For instance, Truman Cash has a past life memory recall (the only way to really know the true past) as described in his book 'the eye of rah', which indicates the Rah was actually a humanlike ET who flew around in a silvery ufo and who controlled the egyptian rulers, and incited wars with other local kingdoms.

Another example of ET's historically messing with humanity is Lloyd Pye's starchild, which has the dna of a human mother and gray father. This skull was over 600 years old, so the malevolant ETs have been continuously messing with humanity.

These ETs have been screwing Earthlings for eons.

So good guy ETs didnt stop this evil manipulation back then, and they arent intervening now. And the abduction plague continues (this fact seems to be ignored by many posters in this thread).

I dont trust any 'benevolent' ETs, their track record holds no credibility.

[mojo]

Hi Justplain,
I'm sorry that you had negative experiences but please don't give up on the good ones. I personally witnessed positive ETs and even though they never gave me the answers being sought, I know they are out there now... but also know and aware of the other side through the stories of others.

[Foxie Loxie]

It seems to matter not the Belief Bubble each person inhabits....there is NO denying we all have had positive interventions from "above".....to me it just confirms we are rather clueless about what it REALLY going on. :confused:

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

It seems to matter not the Belief Bubble each person inhabits....there is NO denying we all have had positive interventions from "above".....to me it just confirms we are rather clueless about what it REALLY going on. :confused:

That's true Foxie, I guess it's because we've all had different experiences, been exposed to different information, and believe in different things. The good old Powers That Be have done a very good job over the years to steer our perceptions with their secrecy, and obfuscate with their disinfo. But those are just the details.

The only important, ULTIMATE truth, isn't in a secret document, locked away in some dusty vault. It can be found deep inside of us: the soul, infinite, majestic, and eternal.

As for those details, and what's been going on behind the scenes etc, they'll surface eventually. Oh, it's gonna be messy. But the truth will out one day. Always does. Humanity will pick itself up, and everything will be okay. :clapping:

[Agape]

There is probably still another factor and if it’s indeed a factor it’s top secret already. I’ve meditated on this topic recently when I had to stay in Delhi in January which left me coughing badly in couple of days and rickshaw trips but before I was so punished I used the time to visit some rare places I always wanted to visit and one was the Lotus temple in Delhi, built by followers of the Baha’i faith.

Again I have a difficulty with picture uploading in proper but if you insert something like ‘Lotus temple Delhi’ to google image search you’ll see what I mean.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Temple


Somehow, it also bears close resemblance to our ancient Mothership I saw in Bodhgaya in 2002. Perhaps the closest you can get using simple geometry and architecture.

It’s mostly empty on inside with exception of rows of chairs where people can sit and meditate. Visitors come by thousands so there was long queue and access is strictly controlled but they let me stay in as long as I wished undisturbed while groups kept coming and going.

The space and audio resonance inside is huge and beautiful. If you could sing there would be tens of echos, tunes coming in succession , it’s very musical sphere.


The answer I’ve got there after couple of hours of silence and peaceful resonance with the space linking my mind back to our ancient Starship and the reasons I could possibly enter there in Bodhgaya was “consciousness lock”. I did not invent the term but it’s how it appeared to me. It means that has to be certain larger number of people assembled together who are in high level of awareness, so that the higher dimensional wall can be breached and some at least can pass through to the other side or vice versa.
This is the condition that was present during the Kalachakra gathering in Bodhgaya as well and it seems to be a factor used by many religious and secular gatherings worldwide.

It’s a required factor of many, much smaller works of magic ,for something to manifest as reality you need at least two or three or more qualified entities putting their minds together.

In the case of ‘ET contact’ though we are talking of much more powerful inter-dimensional maths and breaking the ‘consciousness lock’ may require much bigger and highly aware assembly of adepts.


Give it a thought ..and whether this would be possible in our times without interference from various military and security agencies who may choose to lower the vibes by their fears or intents.

[Foxie Loxie]

Wow! This made me immediately think of a whistle blower who told about being part of a group of youngsters who were so trained & went to Vietnam, were flown to a certain spot, formed a circle & concentrated their energy to take out "the enemy". Can't remember the exact details, but it sounds like what you mean here! We have NO idea how powerful we are & it has been kept from us. :shocked:

Thank you for telling us of your visit to the Lotus Temple....sounds like a wonderful place! :highfive:

[Sunny-side-up]

This sort of news might have something to do with it :(

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101897-Devastating-war-in-SPACE-will-break-out-between-nations-within-a-matter-of-years-warns-US-Air-Force-chief&p=1210816#post1210816

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrhE9hjxc_w
Thanks sunwings

[Valerie Villars]

Ty Vallerie Villars for sharing that and you are not alone as you can see from some of the responses. Back in 2010 a spike of activity hit here and caught some on film. But it hasn't been an easy road like being accused of hoaxing and never really pushed for anything over the seasons and years of evidence gathering and try and be a good witness with no monetary gain or public fame, but still my integrity which is all that mattered to me was attacked by hurtful people.

Well said mojo.

Yes, mojo. That did hurt me deeply because it interfered with my "reputation", which is essential for making money, which is essential for living down here. For a long time I resented it. I don't anymore, at all. I always did want to do what was best for the highest good, not mine, but humanity's. So all in all it was a gift but you pay a very high price for it in this mire of stupidity we call Planet Earth.

God I love Avalon. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[Valerie Villars]

I think that there’s something equaly important which is the state of our conflicted minds. Lets take an average Joe for example: his thoughts, intentions, and actions are totally out of sync. For convenience or maybe politeness he tells his wife that the Duck Confit she cooked was delicious where in fact he felt it was barely average! Now this may seem innocent (white lie) or not important cause no one got hurt, but it created disharmony within him. Now add hundreds maybe thousands of similar innocent incidents like this then you see that this person is no longer aligned with the truth. Multiply that by billions of people, and you see exactly the state of “normal” disharmony that our species is experiencing on this planet. So when almost everyone is not aligned with the truth within themselves, do you think they will be aligned with the universal truths such as that we are not alone? On the other hand, we often hear how ETs can communicate telepathically with each other, this limits the conflict within them. So maybe if we can limit that conflict within us then we will be able to be on their level and contact would come naturally.

Jad, an incredibly astute and accurate summation.

[Valerie Villars]

I do want to add something. I couldn't make sense of these beings within the parameters of my understanding at the time and because they looked human but could do "different" things, I was convinced it was humans performing some kind of "Jack Ass" t.v. scenario on me and my life. It took me YEARS to realize they were e.t.'s which is fine. If they had just said so, I would have been gobsmacked, but all in all it would have been a bit easier on my blown up life. I've always been openminded, but when supernatural beings show up and all kinds of strange things happen, you just try to fit it into your "then" paradigm. So, it became "the Truman Show", "Jack Ass" and other "normal" things which explained the phenomenon. Well, guess what dummy (speaking to myself), we live in a supernatural universe.

[Agape]

Wow! This made me immediately think of a whistle blower who told about being part of a group of youngsters who were so trained & went to Vietnam, were flown to a certain spot, formed a circle & concentrated their energy to take out "the enemy". Can't remember the exact details, but it sounds like what you mean here! We have NO idea how powerful we are & it has been kept from us. :shocked:

Thank you for telling us of your visit to the Lotus Temple....sounds like a wonderful place! :highfive:

Thank you :star:


I think I’ve heard the same story, could be from Henry Deacon or some other older whistleblower. If they happen to read here they’ll probably misspell my name for calling them “older whistleblowers” but anyway.

Reminds me also of Dr Steven Greer CE5 groups. There they give people some levelled training and instructions but it’s hard to compare to training of monks and nuns in the highest yoga tantra, such as the Kalachakra .

Just rambling but anyone with initiation to those will get me right.

Included in the pack of ‘samayas’ that are sacred wows starting with the wow of nonviolence to living beings, truthfulness, not stealing others material or intellectual properties, absence of rudeness and arguments, abstinence from intoxicants ..shall I continue :facepalm:

these people have years of practice in meditation stability, elaborate visualisation, mantra yoga : to do with frequencies ..purifying their energies, on all levels ..

why do you think that China took over Tibet, apart from it being strategically important and extremely resourceful land when it comes to minerals and various resources . Again an example how brute force can easily destroy something subtle simply because they would not understand. They would not see ‘spiritual entities’ and training, they only saw ‘poor uneducated monks’.

Preserving benevolence in this world is actually harder as we progress since we all need some resources and they are trapped in steep human conflicts and wars.

The time when people could live simply and peacefully is almost over on most continents. While old forms of slavery were so called abolished, mankind is now globally trapped and enslaved by systems they created to do the job for them. No one can live or move without given numbers, names, stamps and lots of credit points.


I don’t wish to sound so nihilistic but my vision and dream for the Planet would be new, free and peaceful nation, with vision powerful enough to free itself from the current systems and their dogmas.

[Foxie Loxie]

We have created our own chains!!! :ballchain:

[Sunny-side-up]

Wow! This made me immediately think of a whistle blower who told about being part of a group of youngsters who were so trained & went to Vietnam, were flown to a certain spot, formed a circle & concentrated their energy to take out "the enemy". Can't remember the exact details, but it sounds like what you mean here! We have NO idea how powerful we are & it has been kept from us. :shocked:

Thank you for telling us of your visit to the Lotus Temple....sounds like a wonderful place! :highfive:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIUgThru7JY


Duncan O'Finioan was the Ultimate Warrior... brainwashed, conditioned and controlled as part of a highly classified MKULTRA program called PROJECT TALENT. From a thousand others trained as child warriors in 1966, he is now, he believes, only one of 20 left alive to tell the story.

[Ernie Nemeth]

You have a way with summing things up nice and neat, Foxie.

I remember that story about a group being dumped into a battle and mentally overcoming their adversaries. Was it the super-soldier evidence from Duncan O'Finion?

And we have indeed fettered ourselves in chains.

[mojo]

I do want to add something. I couldn't make sense of these beings within the parameters of my understanding at the time and because they looked human but could do "different" things, I was convinced it was humans performing some kind of "Jack Ass" t.v. scenario on me and my life. It took me YEARS to realize they were e.t.'s which is fine. If they had just said so, I would have been gobsmacked, but all in all it would have been a bit easier on my blown up life. I've always been openminded, but when supernatural beings show up and all kinds of strange things happen, you just try to fit it into your "then" paradigm. So, it became "the Truman Show", "Jack Ass" and other "normal" things which explained the phenomenon. Well, guess what dummy (speaking to myself), we live in a supernatural universe.

wow.. that sounds so like what was observed here in Oregon. In 1973 observed an object just above the tall oaks and hundreds of people witnessed it and you could see the shadow/shape of the ET walking onboard through large openings. The power of Salem was out in areas and other people wrote about it in the paper. I still have some articles and shared it in past threads. It propelled me into avid skywatching ever since, and hoping one day the opportunity might happen again. It did and I was shocked they would return and even allow some filming. The video was posted and years later found even more amazing details in the footage. They seem to move at faster than human speeds and it took slowing the video down to find it... Here's a link to share that example... Thanks again for sharing..:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujOTBOOfJxk

[DNA]

Not sure sure if anyone recalls the Italian friendship case of the 50's which seemed to fizzle out? Our forum is way past deciding if there is life out there and the bigger question in my mind is what do you suppose is the reason that ET's are not making themselves more publicly viewed? A mass sighting event or events spread out so that a large number of the public sees might be one way. Some of the advanced species have no fear of our intelligence level and they see our world leaders as nothing to fear. So here it is 2018 and they still haven't come out publicly... Yet many people have witnessed them on a personal level and would love to have their testimony validated someday...

The Italian 'Friendship' case (and fascinating it is, too):



The Friendship Case (Il Caso Amicizia), and the book MASS CONTACT (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20948-The-Friendship-Case--Il-Caso-Amicizia--and-the-book-MASS-CONTACT)


Why no mass contact? Excellent question.

Several answers have been suggested, some of which could apply concurrently... after all, there are surely many different ET groups with different agendas.



The cover-up may be being expedited by the ETs themselves — of course. (And equally, they may expedite 'disclosure' any time they see fit.)
They may be gradually conditioning us to accept their existence, just as the intel agencies have been: the reality has been continually drip-fed into our cultural awareness for decades now.
Some ETs may have our best interests at heart, but the information attached to all of that may be too much for us to handle. (They may have knowledge of major future catastrophes, for instance.)
Some ETs may NOT have our best interests at heart, and are acting very covertly. (See Dr David Jacobs' excellent and detailed work on hybrids, as an example.) The adage applies for both ETs and humans: if someone's keeping secrets from you, they're trying to control you.



I believe all of Bill's comments here are valid and probably true.

I would like to add one.


We do not possess the necessary faculties and activated senses in order to engage these folks.

I'm not sure if this is due to a planetary force being maintained that keeps us from developing certain abilities or genetic tinkering done in our past that made us good slaves. It could be both of these and more.

But bottom line it appears to me that certain multidimensional aspects of our being are atrophied to the point they are almost non-existent and this causes our species to rate very low in terms of folks wishing to interact with us.



Slugs and snails communicate via pheromones they excrete through their membranes.

Imagine an advanced race of slugs and snails capable of space travel.

They should be able to communicate with us via our multidimensional capabilities and not have to worry about the fact we do not speak in pheromones.

But alas, without this ability on our part communication would be "difficult" to say the least.



I'm thinking personal development along these lines may prove more fruitful than building space craft and seeking technological contrivances.



One person who I think accomplished this would be Yosip Ibrahim who spoke of his communications with off worlders in his book "I visited Ganymede".



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I'm not sure if this has made it into the Avalon Library, but it would be a worthy addition. :)

[Hervé]

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https://www.sott.net/image/s22/454190/medium/razum.jpg (https://www.sott.net/quirk/454190)
The greatest proof of intelligence in the Universe is that no one wants to get in contact with us.

[Billy]

The greatest proof of intelligence in the Universe is that no one wants to get in contact with us.


:pound: Now we know why.

[Tam]

The second Lil' Pump made "Gucci Gang", was the second humanity doomed itself forever.

[Bill Ryan]

The below is part of a chapter from Peter Horsley's autobiography where he relates a meeting between himself and a strange gentleman called Mr. Janus, who Horsley was convinced was 'not of this world'. See the Valiant Thor thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=1208222#post1208222) for further details.

Part of this meeting fits right-in on this thread. The meeting between Horsley and Janus takes place some time in 1953.

'Why, you may say, don't they land and make contact?

'Most of these vehicles are robot-controlled, space probes monitoring what is going on. Some are manned to oversee the whole programme and to ensure that the probes do not land or crash by accident. They must also ensure that evidence of their existence is kept away from the vast majority of Earth's population. You must be well aware of the damage that your own explorers have done by appearing and living among simple tribes, often leading to a complete disintegration of their society and culture as happened to the Indians and Eskimo. Such impact is far too indigestible and only the most developed societies can cope with such contact.

'Imagine what would happen if the headlines in the world press announced the arrival of a spaceship with a mission of space people. Apart from the psychological shock that there were actually other races far superior to any developed society on Earth there would be complete panic about the motives of such an invasion. There is little doubt its crew, if you could catch them, would be subject to the most humiliating interrogation and treatment.

'The knowledge you might acquire through contact and communication could have effects as disastrous as the so-called benefits of civilisation had on the Indians and the Eskimos. The knowledge must come slowly to those most able to assimilate it in the fullness of time. The basic principle of responsible space exploration is that you do not interfere with the natural development and order of life in the universes any more than you should upset or destroy an ant heap or bee-hive. Man has a lot to learn before he embarks on deep space travel. If you were ready now, which you are not, you would only approach other inhabitants with the deepest of suspicion, inflicting your weapons and diseases upon them in the same irresponsible manner that you are busily destroying wild life on Earth. You will have to grow a lot older and learn how to behave on your own planet, if indeed you do not blow yourselves up between times, before you are ready for galactic travel.

'Since time immemorial there have been tales of vessels coming out of the sky bringing strange visitors. Observers do come among you and make contact on a very selective basis where they judge that such contact could not harm either party. These observers have studied the Earth for a long time. With advanced medical science they have been fitted with the right sort of internal equipment to allow their bodies to operate normally until they leave. It is not very difficult to obtain the right sort of clothes and means to move around quite freely. Your own explorers will appear enormously cumbersome in comparison but then at first they will be operating in the very hostile environments within your solar system. The observers are not interested in interfering in your affairs, but once you are ready to escape from your own solar system it is of paramount importance that you have learnt your responsibilities for the preservation of life everywhere.

'It is equally important that other planetary travellers and inhabitants know something about this outer island, its society and intentions. While you are still far away from travelling in deep space, such contacts will be infrequent and must be conducted with great secrecy. Life in your own solar system is rudimentary and you can do little damage, but once you discover the existence of higher forms of life and intelligent men then dangers will arise through your own fear and misunderstanding.

'The observers have highly developed mental powers, including extra-sensory, thought reading, hypnosis and the ability to use different dimensions, since all parts of the mind and body have not necessary evolved in exactly the same fashion. They do not use weapons of any kind and rely solely on their special powers to look after themselves. They make contact only with selected people where secrecy can be maintained'.

Here's the book. :thumbsup: (Sir Peter Horsley : Sounds From Another Room)


http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Peter%20Horsley%20-%20Sounds%20From%20Another%20Room.pdf

[Daozen]

This is a fascinating topic and there are many interesting thoughts here, but I think there's a false premise in the question. Why are we assuming ETs are not contacting people? How do we know mass contact isn't ongoing, and clandestine? If we expand the definition of ‘ET’ to include parallel advanced civilizations who may or may not inhabit the Earth, we have a wider data set to daydream with.

Has anyone seen Third Rock from the Sun? Do they walk among us? If you were an alien and wanted to introduce a heart disease cure or benevolent funding to the good people of Earth, how would you do it?

- A) Put on a shiny blue jumpsuit, appear before a random teenager, and say “I am Valient Radix of Korendor, and I am here to introduce this heart disease cure to you all”

- B) Appear as a normal scientist, health researcher, and release the cure on a website.

is fraught with innumerable difficulties, (B) seems easier.

Likewise, if you wanted to fund interesting projects would you go on the internet and say “Hullo Earthlings, I am a rich industrialist. Lightworkers of Earth, send me your business plans”

lol. I doubt it. We all know what happened to the various groups claiming to have esoteric funds.

Last, if you were a member of an advanced civilization looking to contact a small number of people (and most likely not reveal your origin (i.e. present yourself as a normal human to contactees)) who would you choose? Look at the situation:

- Widespread water shortages.
- Out of control meat farming.
- Trash everywhere.
- Environmental disasters.

Who would you contact? Groups quietly and humbly trying to reverse social and environmental destruction? Or important researchers discussing important topics on important web fora?

Regarding the various groups fighting to influence us, the movie “Dude where’s my car” is worth watching, IMHO.

There may be a set of rules regarding contact. We cannot read them, but we can infer them through silence and context. It’s up to every reader to consider the situation and make plans and choices as they desire.

It’s a free will universe.

[Bill Ryan]

If you were an alien and wanted to introduce a heart disease cure or benevolent funding to the good people of Earth, how would you do it?

Incarnate as a human. (Or 'walk in', with an ethical agreement with the 'placeholder'/previous occupant. :) ) That doesn't violate any non-interference protocols, which might be present.

But I'd suggest that malevolent ETs have also 'walked in' to occupy the bodies of certain strategically important or influential people — almost certainly UNethically.

It's quite possible that there's a war — or, more accurately, a high-stakes chess game, or a game of Go — going on all around us, and most of us have no idea of it at all.

[Valerie Villars]

If you were an alien and wanted to introduce a heart disease cure or benevolent funding to the good people of Earth, how would you do it?

Incarnate as a human. (Or 'walk in', with an ethical agreement with the 'placeholder'/previous occupant. :) ) That doesn't violate any non-interference protocols, which might be present.

But I'd suggest that malevolent ETs have also 'walked in' to occupy the bodies of certain strategically important or influential people — almost certainly UNethically.

It's quite possible that there's a war — or, more accurately, a high-stakes chess game, or a game of Go — going on all around us, and most of us have no idea of it at all.

That is my understanding of the situation, to a "T". And the description in the above book.

@Daozen - You are right on the money. :waving:

[Foxie Loxie]

Thanks, Bill, for confirming my conclusion that we are in the middle of Somebody Else's war! :highfive:

There are so many pieces of the puzzle missing that it is nigh unto impossible for us to totally understand what is going on around us.(The Big Picture!) But....with your history of searching & interviews, I would pay close attention to any conclusions you may have come to. :bowing:

[Daozen]

If you were an alien and wanted to introduce a heart disease cure or benevolent funding to the good people of Earth, how would you do it?

Incarnate as a human. (Or 'walk in', with an ethical agreement with the 'placeholder'/previous occupant. :) ) That doesn't violate any non-interference protocols, which might be present.

But I'd suggest that malevolent ETs have also 'walked in' to occupy the bodies of certain strategically important or influential people — almost certainly UNethically.

It's quite possible that there's a war — or, more accurately, a high-stakes chess game, or a game of Go — going on all around us, and most of us have no idea of it at all.

That is my understanding of the situation, to a "T". And the description in the above book.

@Daozen - You are right on the money. :waving:

Interesting you should mention Go. I always called it a multi-dimensional chess match, but Go is more accurate. You have to gradually turn the squares to your own color, white or black. That's what's happening in our world. I guess Linus Pauling (among millions of others) is a high level powerful soul who incarnated for a specific mission, But tens of thousands of others have done the same.

I agree there are some sort of non-interference protocols in place. From their perspective, secret groups have already released the cure for heart disease, cancer, tiredness, and most everything else. We've done our best to remind people here at Avalon. What more can they do?

[Sunny-side-up]

How would you contact and have a meaningful, constructive coherent relationship with a mad, unnatural, genetically altered species?

On the whole you wouldn't.
You would only contact and converse with the sane few.

[Tyy1907]

If you were an alien and wanted to introduce a heart disease cure or benevolent funding to the good people of Earth, how would you do it?

Incarnate as a human. (Or 'walk in', with an ethical agreement with the 'placeholder'/previous occupant. :) ) That doesn't violate any non-interference protocols, which might be present.

But I'd suggest that malevolent ETs have also 'walked in' to occupy the bodies of certain strategically important or influential people — almost certainly UNethically.

It's quite possible that there's a war — or, more accurately, a high-stakes chess game, or a game of Go — going on all around us, and most of us have no idea of it at all.
And it is many of these incarnated Et's that are the wayshowers for the sleeping masses. With divine missions to help level the playing field. The interlopers (regressive Et's) and dark parasitic spirits that drive them are the ones who've interfered and therefore hindered the natural progression of our species.
What I've come to learn is the divine realm will not assist unless directly asked. And it is proportional to the level of "faith" an individual has. I've come full circle on this "discovery". If someone asks yet thinks Creator is a fairy tale then u get what you get. Likewise asking for a partnership with the divine in your daily life is more "doable" for the average person. Gotta start somewhere. The level of mind manipulation is so high that many people only half think theres a Creator at all. Direct divine realm assistance is key to the future of the human race IMO. Who knows, our asking may be manifested as intervention of sorts by some of our benevolent space brothers.

[Valerie Villars]

TYY1907, it's interesting that you posted that, as I just sent a p.m yesterday to MM (who went out of her way to help me) saying as much.

I had asked for help from the God, the angels, the Blessed Mother, Christ and the response was so powerful that it really freaked me out for a very long time.

[Tyy1907]

So good to hear :bigsmile:

It helps me when I'm in need I know that.
I've taught my son to ask for protection before he sleeps at night. I ask for him too. I notice it helps.
I'll stop derailing mojos thread now.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Suggesting another answer for the OP question.

Tongue-in-cheek perhaps, but there's truth here. Bowie the late and great was ahead of his time.





There's a starman waiting in the sky
He'd like to come and meet us
But he thinks he'd blow our minds...



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[Arak]

The following is just an intution based on my experiences (can be also a product of my imagination, hard to say for sure):

We are being studied (good guys) and used as sort of energy food/source. (Bad guys.)
When we will be able to seriously start exploring space (if we ever make that far), then it is when we are being contacted in a large scale or destroyed, if we present real threat to life outside of our planet. At the moment we are still pretty primitive race and therefore not ready for ET's to appear. That would be something our economies nor governments would not be a able to handle.

[Valerie Villars]

I absolutely believe we are being studied. It may be one of the reasons they are so secretive when you run across them. It would taint the study if they told us what they were. On the other hand, it taints the study when you know they are different but can't quite place your finger on what makes them different. Trying to explain the difference makes one sound like a mad person. But, there are very real differences.

I also keep coming back to Bob's remark about our "consciousness" being sold as a real "read only file" commodity to other life forms, much as we buy novels. There is something which niggles my brain about that remark. Almost like some species can only live vicariously through us.

I can't explain why that remark just really stuck out. Should we be flattered or horrified?

And, if that's true, where are my royalties?

[dim]

Probably that's why (https://media.tenor.com/images/6512f48b63965c53c1b54f5b739b2bb6/tenor.gif)
(sorry, couldn't help myself)

[syrwong]

I can think of this theory.
Most planets are run by “alien” beings of vastly higher technology than the inhabitants. Unless there is animosity between the alien beings, when there may be invasions and space wars, generally there is equilibrium and different groups mind their own business. The planets can be considered either as farms or schools. The earth is both, in my opinion. It is run by reptilians, in both ways STS and STO according to the farm/school views. Other alien groups are welcome to visit and observe, but intervention is prohibited. Non-intervention is a universally agreed principle because of the nature of species development and ultimately intervention is a disservice. But of course, all principles can be violated. Still higher beings may come and make efforts to enhance human awareness and give spiritual teachings.
We are given ample opportunities in this era to awaken ourselves, and hence to set ourselves free. Can we make it?

[Chris]

I can think of this theory.
Most planets are run by “alien” beings of vastly higher technology than the inhabitants. Unless there is animosity between the alien beings, when there may be invasions and space wars, generally there is equilibrium and different groups mind their own business. The planets can be considered either as farms or schools. The earth is both, in my opinion. It is run by reptilians, in both ways STS and STO according to the farm/school views. Other alien groups are welcome to visit and observe, but intervention is prohibited. Non-intervention is a universally agreed principle because of the nature of species development and ultimately intervention is a disservice. But of course, all principles can be violated. Still higher beings may come and make efforts to enhance human awareness and give spiritual teachings.
We are given ample opportunities in this era to awaken ourselves, and hence to set ourselves free. Can we make it?

From what I understand and I may be wrong, the reptilians are in fact in control of the planet, though not the solar system as a whole. Any species that would want to physically come here could get away with wandering around in the Solar System, but woe betide if they ever came anywhere near Earth. The Orion group would not want anyone to disrupt their nice little farming operation here. I'm told that benevolent groups have bases all over the solar system, particularly in orbit of Saturn and also on Venus.

Also, the non-intervention thing applies in terms of the Law of One of Free Will. We have been duped into inviting the Orions to rule over us on this planet and our elite submit to them willingly. As long as this remains a secret and not widely known to the general population, benevolent ETs can only help people on an individual level if they apply for help explicitly. They will generally come here in their light bodies, to circumvent the ban on visiting earth or the actual physical risk, hence, the stories about gods, goddesses, angels, fairies, etc...

However, once humanity wakes up and realises the Truth about what Earth really is and who is ultimately running it, we can apply for help to all these benevolent ET groups that are telling us through various means that they will come and help us fight off the Orions. The bulk of the work will have to be done by us though and it starts with speaking the Truth, rather than trying to obfuscate or skirt the issue. The Truth is horrifying, but it must be known, so we can start fighting back.

[syrwong]

True that humans have to stand up by their own effort. I don't have the benefit of being directly informed by aliens. I have doubts with the duping theory which made the Orion reptilians legit. This would have occurred in the infancy of humanity when humans would certainly accept them as gods. Cant say humans gave them the rule by free will. I think the genetic manipulation theory is more probable so that they have some right to claim that they own humanity. In any case, breaking free is inevitable. I think the reptilian masters understand it and allow it, but we must be able to first "handle the truth".