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Ernie Nemeth

1st March 2018, 23:01

Hi.

The main reason I post this is that Mojo loves this stuff but he didn't seem to like my answer. This is my point: that because we have been programmed from birth to hold the overall viewpoint of society we cannot have contact with something that doesn't exist.

In any case I read this article from Newsweek, who cannot pay their bills by the way and might soon be defunct, and in it is stated many of the formal viewpoints of this society.

Just the first few paragraphs speak volumes. It is for this reason that there is no alien contact. How can contact occur when the official stance is that there are no aliens.

Startling statements made by a another of the fake news outlets.

"Every evening in Maui, a telescope perched atop a volcano captures particles of light in the universe with the world’s largest digital camera. Normally it searches for asteroids dancing across the cosmos. But one night last October, it locked its gaze onto something remarkable, an unidentified flying object moving quickly through space, seemingly from another solar system.

Or at least that’s what astronomers at the University of Hawaii concluded when they discovered it. At first, they thought it was a comet, then an asteroid. But within a month, they realized the object was long and thin and unlike any asteroid known to science. They named it ‘Oumuamua—a Hawaiian word that means “messenger from the distant past.”

Thousands of miles away, a Harvard astronomer named Avi Loeb learned of the mysterious object as well. Soon, he began pondering an enticing possibility: that ‘Oumuamua was actually an alien spacecraft sending signals back to its creators. This theory may sound a bit out there. But Loeb isn’t some crackpot looking for little green men in a spaceship. He and his colleagues are part of a growing number of top-tier scientists who are applying the same rigorous standards they use on other scientific issues to tackle one of the biggest questions facing humanity: Are we alone in the universe?

more:

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/techandscience/do-aliens-exist-human-technology-may-prevent-us-from-finding-out/ar-BBJJZPh?li=AAggFp5&ocid=U348DHP

mojo

1st March 2018, 23:34

but he didn't seem to like my answer

huh? Im not sure Ernie what your answer was???
I went through my threads and this was your comment on one that I thanked but dont know too much about personally.

I remember that story about a group being dumped into a battle and mentally overcoming their adversaries. Was it the super-soldier evidence from Duncan O'Finion?

And we have indeed fettered ourselves in chains.

Bill Ryan

2nd March 2018, 00:16

but he didn't seem to like my answerhuh? I'm not sure Ernie what your answer was???

I think this answer, from 24 Feb, on the thread What is keeping alien species from contacting the general public in a larger way? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101860-What-is-keeping-alien-species-from-contacting-the-general-public-in-a-larger-way/page2)

Our conditioning is so complete, so far-reaching, so totally all-encompassing as to make the ET question a moot point.

The question isn't why haven't "they" contacted us formally. It is why haven't we come to grips with the situation on the ground, here, now. Why do we still accept this atrocious system and this ridiculous society and its dictates. Why won't we stand for our principles and oppose the institutionalized fleecing of the wealth builders. Our world is upside down and inside out and no one seems to give a hoot.

Until we make a stand nothing will happen. No one is coming to our rescue because we do not deserve it. The societies of the light do not need slaves. We are of no value if we cannot at least call a steaming pile what it is and not try to package it in a tidy little meme and call it a rose.

How long could the ostriches continue with their heads stuck in the sand if Pandora's box is opened?

And how long do you think before the entire ET revelation would be monetized, captured, and perverted to the elite's advantage? Maybe that is exactly what has happened already while we were rubbing the sand out of our own eyes...

Ernie Nemeth

2nd March 2018, 00:30

Yes. Thanks Bill.

It is a hard topic to talk about, this conditioning of the human psyche to become the human being. In the article above I happened to notice a number of them in consecutive order. Where the re-enforcing of the meme kinda falls under the radar.

Like:
Only crackpots believe in aliens and UFOs.
The Roswell incident was an air balloon.
There have never been aliens on the planet or in our skies.

Those I recall without rereading the article.

It made my own radar go up and I remembered my previous post where I felt a bit frustrated at my inability to flesh out this idea adequately - the depth of the conditioning in particular.

The reference to your thread was because that is where my mind went with it. That's all. Nothing more.

Justplain

2nd March 2018, 00:30

Tam

2nd March 2018, 11:01

Of course, mainstream science and media and society is completely constrained by childish concepts like 'are we alone in the universe'. These poor deceived 'scientists' are happily herded by the idiotic narrative that we have no evidence of visitations from other worlds, or dimensions, even though there are an ever increasing volume of ufo sightings. Its amazing how much public ridicule stifles objective investigation. This pattern shows the immaturity of our society and the lack of backbone in many of its members, particularly those who are supposed 'seekers of truth'.

Bingo. Could not agree more. Refreshing to see a perspective like this one. I needed this after a crappy week.

Aliens/UFOs and all that come with it are my bread and butter. If it was an official area of study, I'd go for a PhD at the best school I could, no hesitation.

But there's an unbearable prospect a whole hell of a lot of people have a really hard time accepting, and I don't blame them, frankly.

We don't know anything.

Seriously. We know very, very little. And that's just what we are collectively aware of!

As you said, we are so heavily conditioned. But that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Add to that the probable fact that ETs and the Military and who knows who else can outright implant false memories. Ouch. Talk about a sucker punch.

At that point, we literally cannot know anything. We are totally at the mercy of something stronger and more powerful than us.

Should we throw up our hands, and give up? No, never. Maybe it's just a foolish cling to futility not to at this point, but if it is, then what difference does it make?

We are but infants on a tiny speck of an unfathomably gigantic Universe that, if our primitive math is right, is some kind of simulation, and is one among trillions, probably infinity.

That used to scare me, and it still does, to an extent.

But now, I've learned to find a sort of existential comfort in that.

Scientists like these and the mainstream schema is a reflection of the innate fear of our own insignificance. Nothing scares a person more than knowing they're more or less irrelevant.

Marx was spot-on when he called religion the opiate of the masses. What makes religion, religion?

Dogma.

Agape

2nd March 2018, 12:10

Skepticism practised in extreme indeed turns to religion. If you look couple of centuries back we are in Dark Middle Ages and crusade wars when the Catholic Church was the most dominant ‘dogma’ holder in Europe and trying to take over the world they insisted was ignorant and barbaric, with fierce and cruel power.

And it would be foolish to put all the blame on medieval Christianity or say Orthodox Judaism or Islam, almost every humanly inhabited territory we know of was periodically taken over by one or another dictator imposing their ideology on its folks.

Looking from one culture and territory to another it’s been dictators and emperors keeping their subjects in line by the power of dogma.

After the French Revolution and period of enlightenment in Europe when many new sciences were finally allowed to emerge and flourish, even more powerful tool was invented ..the ‘atheistic dogma’ and its wave swept Europe destroying not only power of the church but also every faith and belief in anything that could not be directly touched or proved.

Extreme skepticism behaves exactly the same as any dogmatic religion. It burns ‘heretics’ to its faith on stage, it stages tests to reality that are as relative as our times, technical means and characters and it propagates its opinion with level of high conviction , it makes friends with the ruling parties, governors, media, education systems and patrons and thus it exercises the strongest grip on people right from kindegarden.

Being in majority every dogmatic school of thought casts its influence on several generations of people.

Fortunately for humanity, every ideology is somewhat like the ‘flat earth theory’ , ideologies are flat while human consciousness and evolution is mostly spatial.

The net of global consciousness and information density keeps growing while flat ideologies sink by its weight and become obsolete.

Whatever you can think of that people once saw as ‘simple’ in the past when researched was found indefinitely complicated.

Some of our ancestors worshipped entities or phenomena because they did not understand them well but saw they’re ‘magical’ and powerful and intelligent .

Even if we don’t worship cats or storms and thunder these days we still struggle to decipher or predict their behavior and more we examine them more complexity and magic we find, in every phenomenon.

So..I think it’s going to be similar with ideas and discoveries of ET life and it’s definitions.
Today’s scientists still religiously dismiss there’s evidence of ET life on Earth, not all but the mainstream scientists are so supportive and convinced of their dogma they simply refuse to look beyond the box ( in manner of ancient priest who would only worship his chosen deity and turn his eyes away from every other picture)

and then there’s maybe hard to discern crowd of people who know too little or may have a clue or two but that’s it and not enough for solid idea

and how many people are fully aware or in touch with some ET intelligence worldwide and how frequently ...despite thousands of claims ...

not that many.

I’m still going back to the idea that we are somewhere at the door of long journey ...in discovering who is talking to us , who are you as human being , and all the other important questions ..

And what I know is that only open minds and genuine interest makes discovering more possible ..

.....

And then the most radical destructive factor of human civilisation predates any known religion or ideology, physical violence ...it is ‘in the genes’ and it is millions of years old.
If you examine this factor closely you’ll see how it behaves. Human ancestors million years ago slaughtered animals, killed each other, raped women.
What do their ‘modern descendants’ do these days ? Slaughter animals, kill each other, rape women.

No matter what kind of teaching or religious instruction they adopted or claim, across all and every culture the ‘violent gene’ and inborn aggression seems to be the hardest challenge and it always finds its way out.

Almost every historical culture was taken by gross physical power at its end, not peacefully assimilated or challenged by more advanced ideology.
The Incas were not ‘converted to Christianity’, neither were the Aztecs or Mayans. The Jews were massacred for their faith and ‘proven’ their defeat by supremacy of brute physical power. Early Christians were being killed by Romans.
Muslims killed aka ‘for their faith’ for centuries and at the end they kill each other in mass attacks.
Even Buddhists or Hindus who claim to be adherents of nonviolence still perpetuate some most heinous crimes.
China took over Tibet with army and guns, not by peaceful resolution and candies. The same can be said of every cultured and powerful nation on Earth.

Why am I mentioning it here is because it’s extremely crude fact. Physical violence destroys principles, means and qualities that are subtle and sophisticated and it takes few moments to damage something subtle that people worked on and preserved for thousands of years.

It’s a pattern that works against all other options and against progression in sciences, spirituality, self-discovery, arts, basically anything. Physical violence is very traumatising for its victims as are other forms of violence but it takes longest time to recover from for an individual and society.

If people get far ahead in finding way forwards and out of the cage of this planet or in living peacefully someone usually comes to break their path.
It starts with ‘if you can’t stop it..’ and ends with shots.

This strangely primitive and barbarian force behind human retardation, the retardedness itself and its hatred towards everything new and difficult to grasp is indeed a party stopper.

If we could stop retardedness taking over mankind our chances for survival in the Stars would rise exponentially ..

:star:

Mark (Star Mariner)

2nd March 2018, 13:55

Ernie Nemeth

2nd March 2018, 23:28

There is one religion whose calendar extends back to almost the very beginning of accepted western recorded history. It is an amazing coincidence that it is the same religion that had its diaspora long ago, recently immigrated as refugees to a new land and continues its 70 year campaign to eradicate its indigenous population. It is the same religion that went to war with its neighbors in its first decade of existence. It is this same religion that currently seeks new territory in nearby lands and funds the wars being fought there. It is this same religion that supports the mass exodus caused by those wars, refuses to accept any of them, funds those groups sympathetic to their cause in foreign countries, and foments acts of violence through those very same groups.

And it is the root of the younger two mass religions in the western world.

There is an agenda far deeper and far more ancient than man can reckon that manipulates this world unseen and unknown.

Tangri

3rd March 2018, 01:10

It is a controversial topic.

If I call indigenous people(native Indians) as Aliens or immigrants it would be the same as I call higher technological society "Extra terrestrial".

Human; as recent biological creature we know here (at Terra-Earth) has 6 thousand years of history of existence with 50 years of humanity (unity) conscientiousness.

We didn't care for people except close surrounding livings for a long time (I am not sure if we care now) and still we call other societies "Aliens" and often combine with "Enemy"

Have you think about it, if we are the Aliens here?

KOXmPweIhZk

Agape

3rd March 2018, 09:08

See this very ‘human civilisation’ invented steel borders between its own countless fractions and so it also invented the term ‘illegal aliens’.
It’s absurd from civilisation point and it can not last. If there’s integrity to a civilisation then calling each other ‘aliens’ defies and destroys the meaning of integrity.
That’s how advanced ‘we are’ at this point and I know of millions probably billions of people worldwide who see and experience absurdity of such system,
leading only to further wars and targeting of your fellow human beings.

None of the small tribes of people who lived scattered on this planet since long ago saw themselves as its ‘owners’ or ‘overlords’.
It’s simply not natural, it’s illogical and far from reality as we can get.

We are all guest to the nature, we drink the water, eat the fruits, eat the plants, make use of animals, mine its minerals, whatever it is we are a guest to this planet just like anyone else would be. If we fail to understand it and treat it with respect it won’t feed us anymore.

The idea of ‘ownership’ and ‘lordship’ over people and territories was created at times when some tribes became overpopulated and too dominant so they started to take over others living space and natural resources and claimed other human beings as their property aka subjects.

That’s where all the idea of today’s nations, IDs , citizenship etc. comes from even after thousands of years of cultivation and social transformation.
By that very definition we all are a ‘property’ of the state, not a chief or an emperor because the society replaced them with so called democratic systems.
Still you are born as property. If you choose to be disowned ( and change your citizenship) you have to become a property somewhere else.

In the same manner our respective systems replacing ancient commanders of invading tribes claim to ‘own’ trees, plants, waters, children, and vast territories of land .

Ask any country to free a piece of land and give it back to the tribe who lived there previously or who wants to live there now there’ll be huge fuss about it and they never do it.
They let you buy piece of land even then you’re still technically owned by them.

So I mean ( with all disrespect to those establishments and their ego obsessed overlords) ,
imagine a group of new entities coming here from outer space.

Let’s cut the fuss about how different are they going to be and how impossible is it to get here.

If they’re nice people there’ll be positive response, scientists claim. If they’re not that nice, of course ...we have err nukes .

But most likely they’ll be nice as it can get and what you do then?

There’ll be many fascinating encounters and cultural exchange ( let’s imagine the nicest scenario we are all capable of) , we will swap knowledge and some ET flowers for ours. The longer you think about it more complicated it gets but at the end

and suppose they would not be able to go home immediately,

what are you going to do ?

Where are they going to stay? In Area 51? District 9? Will the US give them Green Cards? Or are they going to be ‘illegal aliens’? Maybe Russia will create a gulag for them in inhospitable Siberia or China can create a home for them in Tibet.

Europe is overpopulated, so is Africa, so are most parts of Asia , Latin America and so forth.

It took thousands of years to this civilisation to grant ‘human rights’ to the fellow with ‘blue face’ from Coral island or the ‘pale face’ with ‘fishy eyes’ coming from far North and confirm by scientific definition that they’re the same entity,
biologically and psychologically , as you are.
Isn’t it ridiculous. Just because their ancestors and your ancestors lived in differing environs for couple of thousand years, some of us reject the idea of humanity on their behalf.
How tragical. We let people to drawn off shores Australia and in the Mediterranean and reject them at our steel and gun check points because we don’t recognise them as equal human beings but we label them a ‘property’ of some dictator or today’s system instead.

We call our own civilisation members aliens.

How more alien and absurd can we get ? Not much I’m telling you. We are capable of panic and bombardment of our own prehistory and covering the traces and sending aliens to death camps or back to space if we don’t like their music.
They don’t have to be bad or aggressive at all.

It’s just that ‘we’ ( the ‘right’, the ‘correct’, the ‘orthodox’, the ‘noble’ ) are so obsessed with ‘our’ selfishness, our genes, our fear for survival of the fittest( that is us, naturally) , with our homophobia ..that we can’t welcome ET to our home since they would probably spoil the dinner .

Or less probably, it would be our failure of reception ..and that feels much worse...like as a shame for couple of generations ahead ...

Let’s not forget that being ‘perfectly right’ works only with yourself and your kids. That’s where perfection of wisdom ends for most.

Some humour :bowing:

Ernie Nemeth

3rd March 2018, 14:30

Don't you think that part of the story, the real story, is that we are the aliens? Yes I do.

And moreover, I think that humanity is a composite of a number of races, all humanoid, and each from different star systems. The skin tones give it away. Again this is not about being racist. We were told from an early age, and some famous people right here continue to support it, is that humans started as black. Then when they moved northward, and with less sun to worry about, their skin started to fade to brown and then white. But if these progenitors went east their skin became redder and if west then more yellow. It is ridiculous. Yet what else could it be if our history is only 6,000 years?

We know the first mother was black and we all share her genes. So, since there is no other explanation if you accept the short history of mankind, then logic supports this stance without evidence. It becomes obvious because of the retarded timeline, literally and figuratively.

Agape

3rd March 2018, 17:39

Well, you know I’m the one who brought to light the data on direct extraterreserestrial origin of mankind. It’s recorded in the Camelot Productions interview with Kerry Cassidy, The Bodhgaya Event Report, Miles Johnston’s Bases 16 and many of my writings on this forum as well.
Unfortunately I’m so far the only direct bearer to that testimony though there are some other people in the know, they would not speak in open.

So I very much agree with you that we are all ‘aliens’ on this planet though the name ‘alien’ is not one I’d choose since ‘aliens’ translates in many languages as ‘intruders’.

Do I believe there are entities from different Star systems here? As far as I’m aware of, yes they are but most are ‘subtle entities’ who influenced human evolution indirectly by cohabitation with human bodies and kind of in-breeding.
It’s possible that’s where some of our ancient differences come from.

On the other hand, I don’t agree that the first human mother ( there was not one entity at the beginning but couple thousands of them) was black or that it was advanced ape hybrid.
Apes are said to be 98% genetically similar to humans but so are mice and dolphins or pigs. That type of statement itself is ‘pseudo-scientific’. The genetic make up of humans and apes in this case talks about evolutionary similarity of DNA sequences adapted to terrestrial environment. There’s no direct link between the two that would prove one evolved from the other.
We could be wrong as it goes and apes could have also devolved from human ancestors but I do not support that theory either.
In my opinion some of our redundant and genetically retarded human ancestors mated with apes, possibly, the result were certain types of now extinct hominid species.

Can not agree on skin colour would have to do anything with ‘star origin’, same with other distinguishing ‘racial features’ of modern men. The production of melanin really is ancient adaptogenic and protective factor. It does not come ‘from Africa’ but it is present with each human group living in latitudes exposed to high UV. It’s a protective factor. And it is not only melanin, skin is the outer protective layer of body where all minerals, toxins, metals and whatever is consumed from water , soil and natural resources accumulates at the edge and end of its metabolic pathway.
It’s like an orange peel, meant to protect your internal structure and organs from damage.
Notice the same people aren’t ‘black’ from inside. They’re perfectly of the same colour as you are, have but one heart, two kidneys, one stomach and so forth unless born with congenitive malformation that makes their human life unlivable.

If they came ‘from other Star systems’ there would be more substantial morphological differences.

Genetic make up in humans really changes substantially over even one generation ( what to speak of ten or hundred) depending where people live, what kind of UV and amount of sunlight are they exposed to, their nutrition, elemental nature surrounding them and so forth.

It’s been observed repeatedly to these modern times. Resettleres from equator to Northern countries indeed do turn much lighter in just generation or two.
People who were traditionally very small statured, such as the Vietnamese or Polynesian islanders for example due to insufficient nutrition impacting them for several generations have children now who grow as tall as average European ( and it is not due to interbreeding) but due to the protein intake available to them.

So much could be said also about the reduced adaptability of ‘modern human lineages’ that is those who practised selective interbreeding within members of limited group.
For example the ‘Ashkenazi Jews’ or descendants of aristocratic families all over the world. No matter what colour they are due to selective interbreeding they achieved stability of certain morphological or other feature or ability,
their children are ‘all’ looking similar, they’re good at arts, maths or philosophy or something else but ...
their adaptability quotient turns very low. It means they can’t stand lots of sunlight for example and get ill easily, not to quote whole range of congenital conditions causing diseases for lifetime.

The answer to the human problem in this case really seems to be ..spread, mix and multiply ...it gives nature much greater chance for regeneration and healthier options for future.

In short sorry :bearhug:

Ernie Nemeth

3rd March 2018, 18:24

Thanks Agape. Your account is of course much more exact.

For instance in my family alone, out of the five of us, three of us tan to a very dark brown during the summer. My father and one of my sisters does not - they burn and peel.

Agape

3rd March 2018, 18:36

Hmm. Maybe they are missing some omega3-fat acids or have the type of metabolism that can’t process fats in general ? Many people do. I know of dark skinned Indians who when exposed to high UV in mountains for example, they still ‘burn and peel’. I’m very light skinned as my mum was and was a year in Uruguay last year, and I did not tan or burn either.
Fish oil capsules ...good for heart as well

:heart:

Agape

3rd March 2018, 19:53

Just rambling ..maybe ‘alien’ is not such a bad term for us at all. It just lacks the usual ‘positivity bias’.
Extraterrestrial is neutral and sort of technical term expressing we did not originate here.

Being on this planet for too long we descended to all kinds of manners and adopted all kinds of terms for ourselves and each other.
We learned how to be both visitors and hosts and yet, out of comfort zone at all times. Not having anything to call our own that we could rely on without mistake.

We have alienated from our own ideals and principles, alienated one another.

Building our carefully protected ‘comfort zones’ takes much time and energy. Accepting others to them and dealing with the fact that them or us feel like strangers, times to times, no matter what you do.

Hard work on Earth and suffering ..are ever present and unhealthy at the same time yet we can’t do without it in order to survive and preserve our destiny.

We all feel complete within, multipurposed beings and on outside we are being constantly challenged or broken.

Even among the so called ‘more advanced humans’ everyone struggles with imperfection and pressure from outside and within. No matter how well you balance yourself, the ‘human experience’ is unique ratio between eternity and impermanence.

Not only we are ‘aliens’ here, we are probably the best and most diverse example of aliens universally ..we have learned all about it and how good and bad it can get.

I have only one suggestion (toungue in cheek) ...let’s go home ...

forget about progress. It will only make us more ..alien

:silent:

Ernie Nemeth

5th March 2018, 22:57

If we were home this entire reality would not exist.

As far as progress goes - I'm not so sure I understand or even support progress as it is promulgated in this society. Progress only seems to cost me more time and more of my money. And progress seems to leave me exhausted, fearful, hungry, unsatisfied.

Now in my personal life, there true progress has been made, continually. So much so that as the years go by I feel ever more detached from the goings on in this world, more separate from it, more obviously not of it.

You are right, I do feel more alien than native. That is how far the meme goes, how deep it burrows. There is no true context for the way I feel because if there are no aliens then I have no home.

Caz Clarke

6th March 2018, 11:11

Sunny-side-up

6th March 2018, 15:23

I had always secretly hoped that one day we would get first contact "officially" but now I know this will never happen. I have witnessed first hand the military response to these vehicles of inter-dimensional origin and it's certainly not a welcoming committee!

Don't lose your hopes Caz Clarke

Remember that there are Officials/military and there are Officials/military and that there are inter-dimensional's and there are inter-dimensional's, one day the right combination will happen.

Ernie Nemeth

10th March 2018, 00:04

The meme burrows deep.

What could its purpose be?

Does it cover other indiscretions? Perhaps it hides an entire class of information. Maybe there is a completely different set of data that points to a counter-reality. A reality free of the simulation, as it is being called.

Is there a world beyond the matrix? A world with its own laws, maybe counter to our own?

Is there life after the simulation?

Do we continue?

Ernie Nemeth

10th March 2018, 00:16

One more point...

Dear Indigris. You are so young.

My advice, for what it's worth: Keep it to yourself, teach when you are called, never give up or give in, and know you are not alone. You are the power. But you must live in this world for a little time. You must resist temptation - or blast right through it if you must, but equally you must learn to forgive. Yourself foremost.

Learn to love and laugh. This world is a joke.

A bad one but a chuckle nonetheless.