Sergei Skripal: who was behind the Salisbury poisoning? [Archive]

Baby Steps

12th March 2018, 14:21

We are flying blind. The media is so controlled and distorted we have little or no way of getting to the truth.

although there is an unwritten agreement that defectors are not touched, we the people cannot know what happened here.

It could be a British false flag. This possibly is supported by the tone of Russian pronouncements - where they warn traitors that they are not safe on UK soil. In other words 'someone is killing them off, it is not us, so we advise you to move'.

It could be as the media everywhere are blaring. The Russians are nasty enough to do this. That means the agreement is null, and anybody defecting to the UK will know they are not safe - and vice versa.

If it IS a British false flag the first thing to recognise is that it is costly. Traditionally , attracting defectors with secret information is a great strategic aim for the big intelligence agencies. This kind of action will deter many possible future defectors so the act is not cost free for British intelligence.

Why would UK do such a thing? We are seeing the careful steady construction of the anti Russia narrative, and sadly here in the UK it is very well advanced. We are being prepared for a future confrontation. Using nerve gas on the streets of the UK is no small thing - it could be described as an act of war. Chris Everard has been discussing this possible false flag:

Christopher Everard

Yet another 400 soldiers are being deployed onto the streets of Salisbury - making 650 soldiers armed with machine guns, in total. It's almost as if someone - a terrorist organisation - has declared war on Britain... But why Wiltshire? Why Salisbury? Well, it is strategically the only place in Britain where you get the COMMANDING OFFICERS of the following battalions all stationed within yards of where the chemical gas attack happened last weekend - Wiltshire military installations include;
2nd Royal Tank Regiment
King's Royal Hussars
1st Regiment Royal Horse Artillery
1st Battalion the Yorkshire Regiment
Royal Military Police - HQ Special Investigation Branch
HQ 1st Mechanized Brigade
215 Signal Squadron
4 (Close Support) Battalion REME
6 (Close Support) Battalion REME.
HQ 43rd infantry (Wessex) Brigade
4th Battalion, The Rifles
Lucknow Barracks
2nd Battalion, The Royal Welsh (Royal Regiment of Wales)
1st Battalion, Royal Regiment of Fusiliers
32nd Regiment Royal Artillery
14th Regiment Royal Artillery
22 Engineer Regiment
26 Engineer Regiment
Oh, almost forgot - Wiltshire is also home to PORTON DOWN which manufactures SARIN and VX from Fluoride - it is the world’s biggest weaponised chemical plant in the world... It's where Doctor David Kelly's ASSISTANT dropped dead [following the 'suicide' of his boss in the woods]... But the Mainstream media never told you that David Kelly's assistant also died suddenly after a walk in the Wiltshire woods...

Some more from Rense (http://rense.com/general39/secret.htm) regarding Porton Down

Porton Down - The Terrible Secret

Posted by outerbongolia
Global-Elite.org
7-28-3

Many years ago I worked alongside other women campaigning against both animal and human experimentation at the Porton Down research facility in the UK. At the time rumour was rife that not only were animals bred and tortured in horrific conditions, but humans too, including servicemen, the elderly and the mentally handicapped were being subjected to terrifying and dangerous experiments, evidence of which is just now coming to light.
"I have seen evidence which I think is genuine, which seems to suggest that there is a certain section of the Ministry of Defence which uses elderly people as guinea pigs for experiments and quietly puts them to death afterwards. It is carefully hidden by the Official Secrets Act." --Monsignor John Barry.

"We now know that some 20,000 servicemen were duped into volunteering for research into the common cold and then used in the most horrendous experiments with nerve gas and all sorts of things. We know that 40 people were injected with the biological warfare agent Kyasanur Forest Monkey (KFM) disease in 1968. That was apparently done to see if it was of any therapeutic value to leukemia patients. KFM disease has a 28 per cent fatality rate and causes horribly painful encephalitis in humans. Why was Porton Down involved in this search for a leukemia therapy in a NHS cancer ward? It is a coincidence that just three years later KFM became a recognised biological warfare agent? Did Porton Down want to examine the pathology of a biological warfare bug as it acts on humans?"
Liz Sigmund

"It was hideous, a hutted camp, where it seemed to do nothing but rain. There were a series of bunkers to which you were thrust from time to time to be gassed with CS gas and to go through ghastly exercises underground wearing a gas mask."
Patrick Mercer, retired army officer.

"They put us in the gas chambers. We tested CS gas, some of these tests are horrendous. I had no idea what they were doing - as far as I was concerned they were doing common cold research tests. I volunteered to earn a bit of extra leave. In one test we had to stand in front of a stream of gas which I could not stand for more than a minute. My face was stinging, my throat was red raw and my lungs were burning. I was paid two shillings. It was a dirty trick, plain and simple."
Gordon Bell - airman at Porton Down in the 1950s

"As far as we were all concerned the tests were part of a programme searching for a cure for the common cold, if I had thought it was anything more than that I would not have put my name forward. "They gave us each a glass of water and we were told to drink it, which I did and I felt no adverse symptoms. It tasted like water to me, but some of the others who had taken the drink literally started trying to climb up the wall and cowering in corners. They were screaming and hallucinating and saying there were giant spiders in the room. It is now pretty obvious that they had been given LSD or another drug, and I was lucky that there did not appear to be any in my glass."
Eric Hatherall - storeman, Fleet Air Arm.

"A loudspeaker informed us that the dosage was about to be administered and to inhale normally. The immediate reaction was a tightening of the muscles and the lungs. For some volunteers this lasted several seconds while others experienced it for several minutes. Other volunteers suffered 'horrendous' health problems including severe headaches, skin and eye cancers, brain tumours, paralysis, chronic bronchitis, asthma, nervous disorders and blistering. At that time I was as strong as an ox, I could carry two bags of cement on my shoulders. Now, I can't even lift two bags of sugar. I firmly believe that the Government at the time, and subsequent Governments who have covered up the events, are guilty of war crimes."
Michael Roche - corporal, Royal Engineers.

"We were taken into a field and told to go into a metal cone. I had a perforated can of flies and a rabbit in a cage. We were told that when we heard an explosion we had to go and stand near a wooden stake outside. They asked if we could smell anything. All the officers were wearing gas masks, but we didn't have them."
The next thing we knew we were all in bed and my hands, wrists and ankles were all aching. They never told us we were open to any danger."
Peter Carpenter - Lance Bombardier with the 37th Heavy Royal Artillery.

"My husband set off for work at Porton Down on September 20, 1966 When I saw him that night he was in a terrible state , he had agonising stomach pains. He said, "I've had that bloody American bubonic plague injection.Three months later he died, I was told he had died of stomach cancer but I know they gave him a cocktail of 19 injections of smallpox, anthrax, plague, and polio over five years. I was told that he needed the immunisation jabs but I believe that was just an excuse. They were using him as a guinea pig. He wouldn't have refused because he would have been afraid to lose his job."
Hettie Nyman - widow of Frederick.

"My husband Private William Dyer was 19 when he was paid a shilling a day to crawl through a field sprayed with radioactive chemicals wearing overalls and afterwards be scanned for radiation levels. He died the day after his 49th birthday in 1987 of Hodgkin's disease - cancer of the lymph nodes. They volunteered for what they thought were simple tests. They were young and wanted to earn a few extra bob - but now look at the price they have paid."
Jeanette Dyer, widow of William - Somerset Light infantry soldier.

"I specifically asked them what the long-term implications of taking part in the tests were because I was not happy about it. Of course if they had mentioned what happened to Ronald Maddison (he died minutes after being tested with Sarin in 1953) I would not have taken part. I believed that this would help my chances of promotion and I also received £140 on top of my £400-a-month wages. Scientists told me that I would be exposed to the nerve gas without an antidote. I felt that at this stage I could not back out without harming his career.I was led into a chamber and told to walk around while the gas was administered. I had tunnel vision, and felt sick. My chest constricted and it was like breathing through a straw. My head ached terribly. The door finally opened and I was ushered out by scientists wearing respirators and overalls. They completed tests on me , assured me that my health would recover and told me to go home and wash my uniform".
Ian Foulkes - private 28th Signal Regiment.

"In 1941 I was subjected to six weeks of tests with gases and sprays that burnt, itched and blistered the skin. Today I am dying of lung cancer. I believe that the tests at Porton Down could be to blame; I also suspect that they may be responsible for the fact that Terry, my 49-year-old son, has lymph cancer. I am not looking for compensation, I just want the world to know that I and other British women were used as guinea pigs by the British Government."
I volunteered for the tests when I was a sergeant in the 24th Heavy Mixed Anti-Aircraft Training Regiment, after a request from a senior female officer. The volunteers were not informed that they would test chemical weapons; instead they were told their co-operation would help to end the war as part of a secret mission. I wanted to help my country, and believed that the Army would not do anything to harm me. At Porton Down, the volunteers were asked to sign the Offical Secrets Act and told they would be paid a shilling a day. Every day, I was subjected to gases and sprays that left me in pain or covered in sores. Mustard gas was placed on my arms. It burnt for a few minutes until I could wipe it off.
In other experiments we ran through boggy fields and were sprayed by light aircraft with substances that burnt our eyes and skin and left blisters. I still love England and the Army and I can even forgive them for what they did, but I want them to admit what they have done to women as well as men."
Mrs Pat Cunningham - sergeant, 24th Heavy Mixed Anti-Aircraft Training Regiment.

" What can you say? no one can describe the feeling when I see my mum still upset (my dad died in 1956 age 26) It would appear he was critically ill only 4 months after taking part in as we have recently found out what was Sarin gas "only a small amount" not much comfort when my dad died at 26. To discover your own country can do this to there own people is unbelievable.
I remember being told small snippets when I was younger and thought it far fetched, how wrong. My Mum has told me she could not have pushed things this far herself - she should not have had to in the first place if the government had shown a bit more respect for people. No wonder they hang their head in shame, they deserve to."

Matthew

12th March 2018, 14:38

Yet it might have been Putin. He's no saint. Since the Russia election is coming up it seems possible to me this was done to intimidate in order to curry power at home. Not sure I feel like giving Putin the benefit of the doubt on this one just yet. If it was rogue Russia security agents then the election would be great cover for them, but I can't shake the thought Putin would benefit from this show of gangster power

Tintin

12th March 2018, 15:44

[QUOTE]
Christopher Everard

Oh, almost forgot - Wiltshire is also home to PORTON DOWN which manufactures SARIN and VX from Fluoride - it is the world’s biggest weaponised chemical plant in the world... It's where Doctor David Kelly's ASSISTANT dropped dead [following the 'suicide' of his boss in the woods]... But the Mainstream media never told you that David Kelly's assistant also died suddenly after a walk in the Wiltshire woods...
Some more from Rense (http://rense.com/general39/secret.htm) regarding Porton Down

[QUOTE]Porton Down - The Terrible Secret

This is a tremendous resource you have provided here. Thanks so much for sharing it. (Tintin)

Eric J (Viking)

12th March 2018, 17:14

'Breaking news' on Sky News from Theresa May...

It's the Russians! and she's saying she's wants answers by tomorrow. Lets see where Putin goes from here...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-publicly-blames-russia-nerve-12173860

Viking

avid

12th March 2018, 17:33

The Mirror, the MSM downmarket brain-death ‘celeb-ridden’ piece of trash, aimed at those with barely a brain-cell between them 🙄 Yet folk read this, and believe it as my naive mother said, when I questioned the truth on a major story years ago, “but it must be true, it’s in the papers” 😢

norman

12th March 2018, 17:39

Who benefits ?

Putin is facing an election very soon.

Saint or not, would he order this at this time, I think not.

Who would ?

The cabal, of course.

As far as I'm prepared to spend time on this, case is as good as closed.

Cidersomerset

12th March 2018, 18:05

May speech on Skripal poisoning: 'Highly likely' Russia responsible

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Published on 12 Mar 2018
Prime Minister Theresa May is giving an update to MPs on the poisoning
of Russian ex-double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter. May told the
Commons military-grade nerve agent from Russia was responsible for the poisoning.

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British PM Theresa May: "Highly likely" Russia was responsible for spy poisoning

CBS News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSYGfI_N6iw
Published on 12 Mar 2018
British Prime Minister Theresa May, speaking to lawmakers about the poisoning of
former Russian double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter, said it was "highly
likely" that Russia was behind the attack.

Cidersomerset

12th March 2018, 19:17

There is more going on with this attack in Salisbury and the chlorine accusations
in Syria certainly feels part of it. With Eastern Ghouta now being liberated it seems
the US led alliance in the north may be setting the conditions to be more aggressive
in defending the groups there. This feels like a classic false flag to get the UK to
be more active against Russia as the last time parliament voted to get involved
in Syria it was defeated. Could the Russians have done it ? yes but it is unlikely
especially now....

Washington ready to strike Syrian army, fires threats at UN

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Published on 12 Mar 2018
US envoy to the UN Nikki Haley has warned that the US will take action in Syria on
its own if the UN Security Council fails to do so. The official cited last year’s attack
on a Syrian airbase as an example of possible US action.

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UK gives Moscow 2 days to explain alleged use of nerve agent from Russia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSt7PlzLahc

Published on 12 Mar 2018
Britain has given Moscow two days to explain the alleged use of a military-grade
nerve agent from Russia to poison former double agent Sergei Skripal. PM Theresa
May was giving an update to MPs on the incident.

Cardillac

12th March 2018, 19:31

I believe the Porton Down info is for real, sadly- so what's going on in the DUMBS? we can be sure the same but on a much more intensified scale-

Larry

norman

12th March 2018, 20:30

Tobor Knot

12th March 2018, 21:08

pueblo

12th March 2018, 21:20

I believe the Porton Down info is for real, sadly- so what's going on in the DUMBS? we can be sure the same but on a much more intensified scale-

Larry

Do you mean the report that the nerve agent is specifically Russian ?

If so, it can't be too hard to get some of it out of the country via anti Putin people working with the cabal.

Better than that, the creator of the Novichok nerve toxin (suspected in this attack) Vil Mirzayanov now lives in the US...

This reeks of a false flag designed to poke the bear.

norman

12th March 2018, 21:31

This reeks of a false flag designed to poke the bear.

More like designed to have a shot at making Putin lose the upcoming election in Russia.

This is going to echo around the media all the way up to the election. Even if the impact on his share of the vote isn't very much, it will be a good cover for fiddling the count against him. When it's over, they can say "ah well, Putin lost because of the poisoning scandal".

Cidersomerset

13th March 2018, 12:01

Sergey Lavrov on Skripal: "Rumors were spread by
practically every member of the British government"

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J394XLuP9o
Published on 13 Mar 2018..France 24

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Sanctions? World Cup boycott? UK weighs retaliation for Russian ex-spy poisoning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3id6rUpH1Q
Published on 13 Mar 2018..France 24

Tintin

13th March 2018, 12:22

Yes Porton Down research centre noted for chemical weapons is just up the road from Salisbury but there are several reports that the nerve agent is Fentanyl which is a very strong anaesthetic. Been around since the 1960's used on humans and animals and is also used as a recreational drug. 20,000 died in the USA from overdoses in 2016. The musician Prince and American Rapper Oil Peep also died of Fentanyl overdose. Look up Wikipedia for more info.
It's all propaganda in msm.

By way of confirmation to do with the experimentation going on there: a local chap who used to serve and was stationed there confirmed with me, yesterday, that in the grounds of Porton Down - this was a few years ago - they discovered highly toxic combinations of all sorts of multiple 'agents' some of which were also detected in the adjoining fields where sheep and cows graze. I couldn't confirm which specific compounds/variants were discovered, but, a little sufficient evidence to support the testimonies published a little further up, that something has been, and no doubt still probably is, going on.

Cara

13th March 2018, 12:58

Here is a detailed article on this topic from Moon of Alabama, which is an excellent blog covering Syria and other related topics. (I recommend reading the comments too - they are usually very enlightening.)

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/theresa-mays-45-minutes-claim.html#more

Theresa May's "45 Minutes" Moment
March 12, 2018

Today the British government made some dubious assertions about Saddam's chemical weapons the poisoning of its double agent (http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/spy-posions-spy-and-the-anti-trump-campaign.html) Sergej Skripal.

http://www.moonofalabama.org/images6/45minutes-s.jpg
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The British Prime Minister Theresa May claimed (https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/973248825073848320) (saved tweet (http://www.moonofalabama.org/images6/mayskripal.jpg)) in Parliament that:

Sergej Skripal and his daughter were poisoned with a military grade nerve agent of a type developed by Russia.
The nerve agent was part of a group of agents known as 'Novichok'.
Russia has previously produced the agent and would still be capable of doing so.
Russia has a record of conducting state sponsored assassinations.
The British government assesses that Russia views some defectors as legitimate targets.
The British government concluded that it is highly likely that Russia was responsible for the act against Sergej and Yulia Skripal.

May went on to claim that:

This was either a direct act by the Russian State against the United Kingdom or
the Russian government lost control of the nerve agent and let it fall into the hands of others.

I find all of the above claims not only dubious but laughable. Here are some facts:

Novichok, 'newcomers' in English, are a zoo of chemical warfare agents that were developed in the Soviet Union in the 1970s and 80s. Some of the 'newcomers' are said to be highly toxic.

http://www.moonofalabama.org/images6/novichok-s.jpg
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The existence of these chemical agents was disclosed in 1992. Russia joined the Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production, Stockpiling and Use of Chemical Weapons and on their Destruction in 1997. It has since (unlike the U.S.) destroyed all (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/27/world/europe/russia-putin-chemical-weapons.html) left over stocks from the Soviet Union's chemical weapon program. It does not produce chemical weapons.

These agents and their formulas are not (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novichok_agent#Description_of_Novichok_agents) an exclusively Russian knowledge or product:

“One of the key manufacturing sites was the Soviet State Scientific Research Institute for Organic Chemistry and Technology (GosNIIOKhT) in Nukus, Uzbekistan. Small, experimental batches of the weapons may have been tested on the nearby Ustyurt plateau. It may also have been tested in a research centre in Krasnoarmeysk near Moscow. Since its independence in 1991, Uzbekistan has been working with the government of the United States to dismantle and decontaminate the sites where the Novichok agents and other chemical weapons were tested and developed.”

The formulas for the various Novichok agents are not a Russian secret. The U.S. and the UK surely know how to make these. The agents are said to be made from simply components used in civil industrial processes. (To qualify any agent as "military grade" is by the way nonsense. Many chemical agents used in civil process are also incredibly deadly.) The Porton Down chemical weapon laboratory of the British military is only some 8 miles away from Salisbury where the Skripals were allegedly poisoned. The British government claims that Porton Down identified the agent allegedly used on the Skripals. The laboratory is surely also capable of producing such stuff, just like similar laboratories in other countries are able to do.

Now lets counter May's claims:

Novichok agents are claimed to be up to 10 times as toxic as VX. One drop of VX can kill a person. If the Skripals were poisoned with such an highly effective agent how come they are still alive?
The Soviet Union, not Russia, developed such agents. The main work was done in Uzbekistan. The U.S. helped to dismantle (http://www.nytimes.com/1999/05/25/world/us-and-uzbeks-agree-on-chemical-arms-plant-cleanup.html) the laboratory.
Russia is likely able to re-produce such agents but so are many, many other countries.
What is Russia's "record of state sponsored assassinations"? The British investigation which claimed that "Russia" was somehow involved in the death of MI6 agent Litvinenko is highly dubious (http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/sergei-skripal-litvinenko-poisoning-russia-spy-salisbury-kgb-mi6-informant-swap-a8244356.html). I am not aware of any other cases. There is a long standing protocol to never bother spies (http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-lost-control-russia-assassins-840598) that have been exchanged in a spy-swap.
If Russia sees "some defectors" as legitimate targets why does it not immediately kill them? Skripal was living openly in the UK since 2010. Why would Russia kill him at all and why now?

Given the above it is absurd to conclude that it is "highly likely" that Russia was responsible. If someone is run-over by a BMW is it"highly likely" that the German government is responsible for it?

The real likeliness for that is just as high as the likeliness that Saddam could hit the UK with a chemical weapon missile within 45 minutes (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-139703/Just-45-minutes-attack.html). That was a fraudulent claim another British government once made.

May's claims today are just as believable as the all nonsense Tony Blair said about Saddam or as the show U.S. Secretary of State Powell delivered in front of the UN Security Council.

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More likely is an involvement of Skripal in the Steele dossier (http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/spy-posions-spy-and-the-anti-trump-campaign.html) and the CIA/MI6 operation against Donald Trump. Was he assailed because he threatened to talk about it?

Posted by b on March 12, 2018 at 03:41 PM | Permalink (http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/theresa-mays-45-minutes-claim.html)

From here: http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/theresa-mays-45-minutes-claim.html#more

Comments here: http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/theresa-mays-45-minutes-claim.html#comments
(Already 101 at time of sharing here).

Did You See Them

13th March 2018, 15:53

All I will say is..

"Porton Down" - what a place to house a defected double agent !

Baby Steps

13th March 2018, 16:00

To my mind, given that the formula for this class of poison is known, there is no reason to assume without doubt that it originated in Russia. It is very possible that an establishment such as Porton Down would synthesise it themselves for research and testing. After all you need to keep tabs on your opponents weapons capabilities. I do not think such chemicals are like fissile nuclear fuel, which can be analysed and identified down to the facility that produced it due to the profile of trace contaminants that is like a fingerprint. In the case of a molecule, you cannot say who produced it.

From RT - who's license to broadcast in the UK is likely to be revoked:

Ex-MI5 agent Annie Machon has dismissed the PM's claims that the origin of the nerve agent used to attack former Russian double agent Sergei Skripal is indicative of an attack from the Kremlin. She explained why to RT’S BIll Dodd.
The former MI5 intelligence officer ignored calls from politicians to boycott the TV network in the midst of the Skripal scandal, sitting down with RT to discuss the latest in the Salisbury case. While many pointed the finger at Moscow after it was alleged that the weapon was a military-grade agent developed in Russia, Machon raised a question that many seem to have forgotten to ask: Where’s the motive?
“From the very start of this story… they need to work out what the motive was,” she said. “Skripal was a guy who had been caught by the Russians. He’d been tried and convicted, sent to prison, and then released and pardoned by the Russians, and sent back to the UK.
“He had been debriefed – picked clean, intelligence-wise, both by the Russians… and by MI6 when he came to live in the UK. So what is the motive there?” she asked.
The ex-MI5 officer, who resigned in 1996 to blow the whistle on the incompetence and crimes of spies, continued to explain to Dodd that – just because the chemical weapon was supposedly developed in Russia – it does not necessarily mean the attack was state-sanctioned.
“(Chemical) agents can be developed and used by governments all over the world,” she said. “If this Novichok agent was developed in Russia, it doesn’t mean it’s stayed in Russia - [any more than] any of the other agents developed by Germany, the USA, or the UK have stayed in their own countries."
“The fact that the… UK facility for identifying those agents was able to identify this very quickly would indicate that they know exactly what this nerve agent is, which means that they have the chemical formula for it too. So, who knows where it came from?
“It might have been developed in Russia, but it doesn't mean that is state-sanctioned by Russia. It's a damaging conflation in a particularly sensitive diplomatic time."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih126CmHwzs&feature=youtu.be

Tintin

13th March 2018, 17:20

Poisioned British-Russian Double-Agent Has Links To Clinton Campaign

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/spy-posions-spy-and-the-anti-trump-campaign.html

More on this strange story. I've sub-edited a little and emboldened where I think some of the most important observations and comments have been made.

Here's an extract from the article:

The former British ambassador Craig Murray suspects a different motive and culprit:

Craig Murray @CraigMurrayOrg - 10:21 AM - 8 Mar 2018

"Russophobia is extremely profitable to the armaments, security and spying industries and Russophobia reinforces intellectually challenged voters in their Tory loyalty. Ramping Russophobia is the most convincing motive for the Skripal attack."

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Poisioned British-Russian Double-Agent Has Links To Clinton Campaign

On Sunday a former British-Russian double agent and his daughter were seriously injured in a mysterious incident in Salisbury, England. The British government says that both were hurt due to "exposure to a nerve agent". Speculative media reports talk of Sarin and VX, two deadly nerve-agents used in military chemical weapons. Anonymous officials strongly hint that 'Russia did it'.

New reports though point to a deep connection between the case and the anti-Trump/anti-Russia propaganda drive run by the Obama administration and the Hillary Clinton election campaign.

Sergei Skripal once was a colonel in a Russian military intelligence service. In the early 1990s he was recruited by the MI6 agent Pablo Miller. He continued to spy for the Brits after his 1999 retirement. The Russian FSB claims that the British MI6 paid him $100,000 for his service. At that time a Russian officer would only make a few hundred bucks per month. Skripal was finally uncovered in 2004 and two years later convicted for spying for Britain.

He was sentenced to 18 years and in 2010 he and other agents ware exchanged in a large spy swap between the United States and Russia. Skripal was granted refuge in Britain and has since lived openly under his own name in Salisbury. His wife and his son died over the last years of natural causes. The only near relative he has left is his daughter who continued to live in Russia.

Last week his daughter flew to Britain and met him in Salisbury. On Sunday they went to a pub and a restaurant. At some point they were poisoned or poisoned themselves. They collapsed on a public bench and are now in intensive care. A policeman on the scene was also seriously effected.

Authorities have declined to name the substance to which the pair is suspected to have been exposed, but:

Local media had on Monday reported the substance found at the scene to be similar to fentanyl: a lethally strong opioid available even on Salisbury's soporific streets.

The British government is hinting at Russian involvement:
The attempted murder of ex-Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter, Yulia, using a nerve agent was a "brazen and reckless" act, [home secretary] Amber Rudd has said.

Mr Skripal and his daughter are still critically ill after being found collapsed on a bench in Salisbury city centre on Sunday.
...
Ms Rudd told MPs it was an "outrageous crime", adding that the government would "act without hesitation as the facts become clearer".

She refused to speculate on whether the Russian state might have been involved in the attack, saying the police investigation should be based on "facts, not rumour".

(Well quite! - Tintin Q)

While the British government is preparing the facts as it needs them, let us ask the ever important question of motive.

It was not Russian vengeance for Skripal's earlier spying. He had been in Russian jails for four years and lived openly in Salisbury for eight. There was plenty of time to off him. Russia certainly does not need any more anti-Russian propaganda in "western" media. If a Russian service would want to kill someone it would do so without making such noise.

The former British ambassador Craig Murray suspects a different motive and culprit:
Craig Murray @CraigMurrayOrg - 10:21 AM - 8 Mar 2018

Russophobia is extremely profitable to the armaments, security and spying industries and Russophobia reinforces intellectually challenged voters in their Tory loyalty. Ramping Russophobia is the most convincing motive for the Skripal attack.
Ambassador Murray also points out that Salisbury, where the incident took place, is just 8 miles away from Porton Down, a chemical weapon test site run by the British government. As the BBC noted in a report about the place:

... chemical agents such as VX and mustard gas are still manufactured on site ...

I believe that Craig Murray is wrong. Russophobia can be stoked without attempting to publicly kill a retired spy and his daughter.

More likely motives can be found in the tight connection to another important affair.

The British Telegraph reports today:

A security consultant who has worked for the company that compiled the controversial dossier on Donald Trump was close to the Russian double agent poisoned last weekend, it has been claimed.

The consultant, who The Telegraph is declining to identify, lived close to Col Skripal and is understood to have known him for some time.
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The Telegraph understands that Col Skripal moved to Salisbury in 2010 in a spy swap and became close to a security consultant employed by Christopher Steele, who compiled the Trump dossier.

The British security consultant, according to a LinkedIn social network account that was removed from the internet in the past few days, is also based in Salisbury.

On the same LinkedIn account, the man listed consultancy work with Orbis Business Intelligence, according to reports.

Meduza named the man the Telegraph declines to identify as:

Pablo Miller, who at the time was posing as Antonio Alvarez de Hidalgo and working in Britain’s embassy in Tallinn. Russia’s Federal Security Service says Miller was actually an undercover MI6 agent tasked with recruiting Russians.

Orbis is Christopher Steele's company which was paid by the Clinton campaign to make up or find 'dirt' about Trump.

Sergei Skripal was an agent Steele himself was likely (my italics - TQ) involved with:

Steele had spent more than twenty years in M.I.6, most of it focussing on Russia. For three years, in the nineties, he spied in Moscow under diplomatic cover. Between 2006 and 2009, he ran the service’s Russia desk, at its headquarters, in London. He was fluent in Russian, and widely considered to be an expert on the country.

Steele was an MI6 undercover agent in Moscow around the time when Skripal was recruited and handed over Russian secrets to the MI6. He also ran the MI6 Russia desk so anything about Skripal will have passed through him. It is very likely that they personally knew each other. Pablo Miller, who worked for Steele's private company, lived in the same town as Skripal and they seems to have been friends since Miller had recruited him. Miller or someone else attempted to cover up the connection to Steele by editing his LinkedIn entry.

Here are some questions:

• Did Skripal help Steele to make up the "dossier" about Trump?
• Were Skripal's old connections used to contact other people in Russia to ask about Trump dirt?
• Did Skripal threaten to talk about this?

If there is a connection between the dossier and Skripal, which seems very likely to me, then there are a number of people and organizations with potential motives to kill him. Lots of shady folks and officials on both sides of the Atlantic were involved in creating and running the anti-Trump/anti-Russia campaign.

There are several investigations and some very dirty laundry might one day come to light. Removing Skripal while putting the blame on Russia looks like a convenient way to get rid of a potential witness.

Update: Steele's company issued a weak denial of Skripal's involvement in the dossier:

Sources close to Orbis, the business intelligence firm run by former MI6 agent Christopher Steele, who was behind a dossier of compromising allegations against Donald Trump, said Mr Skripal did not contribute to the file. But they could not say whether Mr Skripal was involved in different investigations into the US President for other interested parties.

The most curious point in the affair though is the visit of the daughter. She had just come from Moscow to visit her lonely father when both were poisoned in a rather sensational way. There must be some reason why she was involved in this.

• Did she have a bad message for him?
• Did they both decide that suicide was the only way out?
• Was locally bought Fentanyl involved as the local press had reported?

or

• Was the lonely old man Sergej Skripal preparing to go back to his homeland Russia?
• Did he offer a some kind of "gift" as apology to the Russian government that his trusted daughter would take to Moscow?
• Did someone find out and stop the transfer?

The above questions are all highly speculative. But the connection between Steele and Skripal is way too deep to be irrelevant here. It certainly deserves more digging.

Unfortunately it is likely that the British government, and its U.S. cousin, will come up with some "blame Russia" story for the gullible people and leave it at that. That story will involve some "brazen and reckless" Russian plot and an "outrageous" attempt by Putin himself to publicly kill a friend of Britain with some with highly dangerous weapon of mass destruction. This will then be used to throw up new tensions, to put more sanctions on Russia and to sell more weapons.

That official story though is unlikely to be the true one.

Cidersomerset

13th March 2018, 18:07

Skripal case: Russia’s response

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Published on 13 Mar 2018
Moscow will not respond to the British request about a clandestine Soviet
chemical weapon allegedly used in an ex-double agent’s poisoning until a
sample of the agent is provided, the Russian foreign minister says

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Counter-terror police investigate 'unexplained' death
33 minutes ago

Counter-terror police are leading an investigation into the "unexplained" death of a
man in London.He is believed to be Russian businessman Nikolai Glushkov, who
claimed political asylum in the UK after being convicted of fraud. The Metropolitan
Police said its specialist unit was looking into it "as a precaution because of
associations that the man is believed to have had".There was no evidence linking
the death to the incidents in Salisbury, it said.In a statement, it said the man in his
60s had been found at a residential address in New Malden on Monday night.
The man has been identified, but not formally. However, next of kin have been
informed.

read more...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43385998

Eric J (Viking)

13th March 2018, 19:22

Some more here from Information clearing house.

Finian Cunningham
March 12, 2018 "Information Clearing House" - The mysterious apparent murder bid on an ex-Russian spy in Britain has taken on a wider European dimension.

Predictably, the incident was used to whip up anti-Russian claims in the British media. But, in addition, the European Union soon came under pressure to show “solidarity” with Britain in the supposed Russian assault on its sovereignty.

Former British officials were reported bemoaning the lack of solidarity from EU states over the alleged Russian violation on British soil. The EU then responded with an obligatory statement of “solidarity” with Britain, with the tacit acceptance of Russian malfeasance at play.

The allegations of Russian state involvement in the apparent lethal poisoning of exiled Kremlin agent Sergei Skripal in England last Sunday have been leveled with deplorable disregard for due legal process.

Within hours of the incident – which saw 66-year-old Skripal and his adult daughter rushed to intensive hospital care – British media were speculating that Russian agents had carried out a revenge assassination attempt.

Skripal was exiled from Russia in 2010 after being convicted for treason as a double agent for Britain’s foreign intelligence service MI6. He was living in the southern English town of Salisbury, where he was found paralyzed in a public park along with his 33-year-old daughter.

British counter-terrorism officers have disclosed that the pair were victims of a toxic nerve agent attack, without identifying the chemical used. They have claimed that the attacker or attackers must have been state-sponsored to carry out such a lethal operation. British police have not yet specified any particular agency for the attack, but as noted the British media quickly jumped to reckless speculation of Russian involvement. The speculation has been fueled by government ministers like Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson using innuendo.

Russia’s Foreign Ministry dismissed the allegations of Moscow’s involvement as “more irresponsible Russophobia”.

The notion that Russia would carry out a risky operation on the eve of its presidential elections this month in order to avenge a disgraced former spy who had been living openly in England for the past eight years defies credibility. It’s frankly absurd given the already heightened anti-Russia hysteria in the Western media that the Kremlin would even contemplate such a scheme.

Nevertheless, the evidence does point to an assassination attempt on Skripal using a military-grade chemical weapon. Senior British toxicologist Dr Alistair Hay told Radio Free Europe this week that the chemical substance used in the attack was most likely one of the organophosphate poisons, such as soman or tabun, which are related to sarin and VX. These are nerve agents that can kill from exposure of human skin to a single droplet.

Hay, who is an advisor to the British government on chemical warfare agents, cautioned against rushing to accusations against Russia. “In my view, it’s much, much too early to point a finger at anybody at this stage,” said the expert.

All that the internationally respected toxicologist would venture to say is that the nature of the attack had “military capability” because of the extreme lethality of the substances involved.

If we assume that Russia was not involved – which is a fair assumption given the above reasoning – then the question is: what state agency could have carried it out? For what objective?

In particular, focus is drawn here to agencies which are seeking to sabotage Europe-wide relations with Russia. As noted above, one of the ramifications from the anti-Russian allegations over the poisoning incident was prompt pressure on the EU to show a tough response towards Moscow.

Former British ambassador to Russia, Sir Tony Brenton, reportedly accused the rest of Europe of lacking in support for Britain.

“The European Union will once again fail to help the UK in its fight against Russia after a former Russian spy was allegedly poisoned in Salisbury, according to former ambassador Sir Tony Brenton,” reported the Daily Express.

Another former British foreign office advisor claimed that because of the EU’s bitter wrangling with Britain over the Brexit “the Kremlin was taking advantage of the UK’s lack of allies in the US and EU, and its inability to do much about the Skripal case”.

This logic implicating Russia is unhinged. But the telling aspect is the seeming intended effect of embroiling Europe in a wider antagonistic response to Moscow.

Admittedly, the following discussion here is speculative. But it’s worth a posit.

Last week, the US-led political campaign to scupper the Russia-EU Nord Stream 2 project was given renewed impetus.

The $11 billion, 1,200-kilometer gas delivery pipeline is nearing completion next year.

Foreign ministers from Poland, Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia were in Washington DC to meet with US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson on the specific subject of the Nord Stream 2, and how it might be cancelled, reported Voice of America.

Poland and the Baltic states are advocating for US supply of gas to replace the traditional European source from Russia. The issue is of huge strategic importance. US President Trump has been vocal in his support for the European states switching to American gas exports, even though that would work out much more expensive for European consumers.

The Nord Stream 2 project is a partnership between Russian state-owned Gazprom and five private energy companies from Britain, Germany, France and Netherlands.

But the project has been buffeted by the political repercussions over allegations against Russia concerning Ukraine, Crimea and purported “interference” in US and European elections.

The German and Austrian governments are strong backers of the new gas network with Russia. Last week, Austrian President Sebastian Kurz was in Moscow where he met with Vladimir Putin and expressed his support for the Nord Stream 2.

However, apart from Poland and the Baltic states which are marked by vehement anti-Russian ideological politics, there are also elements with the EU administration which are similarly opposed to the Nord Stream supply. It is claimed, they say, that such an arrangement will give too much leverage to Moscow over European affairs. Such advocates tend to be pro-NATO and pro-Washington.

The point is that the campaign to undermine the Russian-EU gas partnership has come with renewed impetus – as seen in the delegation last week to Washington by the Polish and Baltic government ministers. Of course, they are pushing at an open door. American state interests are wedded to the objective of knocking out Russia as Europe’s gas supplier.

Now then, the timing of an assassination bid in England which is framed on Russia comes at a convenient moment in the strategic tussle over Europe’s global energy market. It seems significant that pressure is being brought to bear on the EU “to get tough” on Moscow over the alleged attempted murder of the exiled Russian spy. The “get tough” response being sought could be cancellation of the Nord Stream 2 gas project.

If that stands up as a motive for the latest attempt to cleave EU-Russian relations, then our focus on the likely perpetrators shifts to the following: American state agents, possibly working with British and Eastern European accomplices, in trying to kill Sergei Skripal and his daughter, with the purpose of blackballing Moscow.

Finian Cunningham has written extensively on international affairs, with articles published in several languages. He is a Master’s graduate in Agricultural Chemistry and worked as a scientific editor for the Royal Society of Chemistry, Cambridge, England, before pursuing a career in newspaper journalism. He is also a musician and songwriter. For nearly 20 years, he worked as an editor and writer in major news media organisations, including The Mirror, Irish Times and Independent.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/48970.htm

Viking

Cidersomerset

13th March 2018, 22:40

There seems to be a bigger agenda going on here , it makes no sense for the
Russian government or intel services to do this especially now. They could have
done this years ago . There are plenty of players in the US/west , Ukraine and
elsewhere who would like to see Russia penalised....

This is a very good balanced show as usual....

CrossTalk on Sergei Skripal: 'Publicity Murder?'

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Published on 13 Mar 2018
“It appears” and “highly likely” are the words used by UK Prime Minister Theresa
May pinning blame on Russia for the poison attack on a former Russian intelligence
officer turned British spy. Claims are made and threats flaunted. Of course all without evidence.
CrossTalking with Alexander Mercouris, Charles Shoebridge, and Annie Machon.

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A different take.....

Who poisoned Sergei and Yulia Skripal? - BBC Newsnight

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Published on 13 Mar 2018
Broadcast on 7 March 2018. It's easy to jump to conclusions about who is behind
the poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal in Salisbury and many people might think
Russia is responsible. But Russia is not one single agency, nor is it synonymous
with Vladimir Putin. Gabriel Gatehouse knows the country well and reflects now on
the complexity within. Newsnight is the BBC's flagship news and current affairs TV
programme - with analysis, debate, exclusives, and robust interviews.

Curious77

14th March 2018, 07:02

We haven't had investigations of the CIA since the 1970's and after that they used the NRA to
target both liberals and moderates in both GOP and Dem Party to ensure it wouldn't happen
again.

How many elections has US/CIA interfered in around the world, including Russian -- and
Hillary in Ukraine? US/CIA actually has program (Operation Gladio) to keep right wing in play
in nation's over which they have influence and control since WWII. How many nations where
US troops are still camped? 76? How many US/CIA coups and uprisings, false flag activities
around the world and domestically?

Right wing propaganda levels continue to increase in US -- only difference between us and
Russia is that the Russians have always known they're being lied to. Americans didn't.

Cidersomerset

14th March 2018, 16:13

Ex-mayor of London Ken Livingstone comments
on UK-Russia scandal over Skripal case

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RT..Streamed live 1 hour ago..14/3/18
Ex-mayor of London Ken Livingstone comments
on UK-Russia scandal over Skripal case

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Russian spy: UK to expel 23 Russian diplomats

14/3/18

The UK will expel 23 Russian diplomats after Moscow refused
to explain how a Russian-made nerve agent was used on a
former spy in Salisbury, the PM says.

Theresa May said the diplomats, who have a week to leave,
were identified as "undeclared intelligence officers".

She also revoked an invitation to Russia's foreign minister,
and said the Royal Family would not attend the Fifa World
Cup later this year.Russia denies being involved in the
attempted murder of Sergei Skripal.

The Russian Embassy said the expulsion of 23 diplomats was
"unacceptable, unjustified and short-sighted".Former spy Mr
Skripal, 66, and his daughter, Yulia Skripal, 33, remain critically
ill in hospital after being found slumped on a bench on 4 March.
Det Sgt Nick Bailey also fell ill responding to the incident, and
is in a serious but stable condition, but is thought to be improving

read more...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43402506

norman

14th March 2018, 16:45

I've noticed that the Beeb radio I have here to listen to has not once mentioned that Putin is facing an election this coming Sunday.

It's screamingly obvious that 'Britain' ( probably with advice and help ) is interfering in the Russian election.

The tingly bit, that alarms me, is that it's so fake and aggressive, yet so unlikely to swing the election fully against Putin, I expect there to be a second part of this operation yet to spring up before Sunday.

All guesses are welcome.

I don't have much of a clue, but I sense the likelihood of something, probably military or 'false-flag' incident.

Cidersomerset

14th March 2018, 20:15

Another coincidence ? I have had my suspicions that US intel and political figures
with close ties to their UK equivalents have been asking for support in their witch
hunt over Russiagate especially with former MI6 agent Christopher Steels dossier a
centre piece. This attack may be part of it but when I saw that Panorama has a
show lined up for tonight this is really suspicious how quick this was put together .......

I find it hard to believe the Russian government did or sanctioned this with all
that's going on. Though maybe an ex colleague or someone else were involved or
some other reason ? But it sure helps the globalist agenda of anti Russian rhetoric
playing out in the US and the west....

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14 Mar 2018

Video http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-43389032/how-russia-uses-propaganda-to-discredit-opponents
How Russia uses propaganda to discredit opponents

A BBC Panorama investigation has revealed how the Russian state
uses surveillance and propaganda to discredit critics of President Putin
Opposition activists have long accused the Kremlin of using the security
services and state-controlled TV to attack them. When BBC Panorama
went to Russia to investigate their claims, the same tactics were used
against their reporter John Sweeney.

Taking On Putin - Panorama will be shown at 7.30pm on BBC One on
Wednesday 14 March.

read more...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-43389032/how-russia-uses-propaganda-to-discredit-opponents

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Russian spy: UK to expel 23 Russian diplomats - BBC News

BBC News

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Published on 14 Mar 2018
The UK will expel 23 Russian diplomats after Moscow refused to explain how a
Russian-made nerve agent was used on former spy in Salisbury, the PM says.
Theresa May said the diplomats, who have a week to leave, were identified
as "undeclared intelligence officers".Russia denies being involved in the attempted
murder of former spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia.It refused to meet Mrs
May's midnight deadline to co-operate in the case.

Hervé

14th March 2018, 20:44

Theresa May disgraced! Recipe for 'mysterious' nerve agent Novichok can be bought for $30 on Amazon (https://www.rt.com/news/421200-uk-novichok-agent-allegations/)

RT (https://www.rt.com/news/421200-uk-novichok-agent-allegations/)
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The public has learnt a new Russian word: Novichok or novice, as the UK claims it is a nerve agent that poisoned former double agent Sergei Skripal. But, as with many elements of this saga, this chemical raises many questions.

British Prime Minister Theresa May said Skripal and his daughter were poisoned by a military-grade nerve agent "Novichok," allegedly developed by Russia. She claimed this was either "a direct action" by Moscow or the result of a loss of control over "its potentially catastrophically damaging nerve agent." Speaking to MPs, she even said the cabinet had given Moscow one day to provide a "credible response" to the allegations.

The use of a military-grade secret nerve agent may sound like a James Bond movie and, as with many action dramas, there are some notable inconsistences in the plot that raise questions.

The killer agent that is not on chemical watchdog list?
The Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW (https://www.opcw.org/protection/types-of-chemical-agent/nerve-agents/)) carefully describes all known types of weapons-grade chemicals, including notorious sarin and VX, as well as their properties, mechanisms of action, and possible antidotes. But oddly enough, 'Novichok' - the substance supposedly deadlier than sarin or VX - is not on the OPSW nerve agents list.

Would you pay $30 for a secret chemical agent formula?
'Novichok' was first disclosed to the public by a Russian chemist named Vil Mirzayanov, who claimed in a 1992 article for Moskovsky Komsomolets daily that Moscow was developing extremely potent fourth-generation chemical weapons. The article was published prior to Russia's signing of the Chemical Weapons Convention, making the timing particularly interesting.

Mirzayanov, who defected to the US several years later, reacted to the British prime minister's accusations in a notable post on Facebook. "[May] said that 'Novichok' has been used in the assassination attempt on Skripal," Mirzayanov wrote. "Its chemical formula has been published only in my book," he said.

His book (https://www.amazon.com/State-Secrets-Insiders-Chronicle-Chemical/dp/1432725661/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1520920301&sr=8-1&keywords=vil+mirzayanov), which allegedly contains the top-secret formula of the deadly nerve agent, is titled 'State Secrets: An Insider's Chronicle of the Russian Chemical Weapons Program.' Its paperback edition is available on Amazon and sells for just $30. If the formula is genuine, this is probably the first time a whistleblower has provided free access to a method of producing the highly poisonous weapon.

Is Russia the only place it could come from?
Mirzayanov also contributed to a 1995 report (https://www.stimson.org/sites/default/files/file-attachments/Report17_1.pdf) by the US-based Henry L. Stimson Center. The paper, which refers to the defector's 1992 piece, noted multiple security flaws at Russia's chemical weapons storage sites - a revelation unsurprising enough, given the poor state of Russian military at the time. While praising some basic security measures at the compounds, the report says: "By US standards, Russian chemical weapon storage facilities unquestionably appear vulnerable to attack from outside and theft from within."

Nikolai Kovalev, who led Russia's security service, the FSB, from 1996 to 1998, told RIA Novosti that the likes of 'Novichok' were "stockpiled in former Soviet Union republics." Russian Senator Franz Klintsevich told the Zvezda TV Channel that the Soviet military sent the so-called "frontline packages" containing the agent to various parts of the country. "It could have been stored in any [post-Soviet] country, including Georgia and Ukraine," he noted.

Back in 1999, it emerged that the Pentagon might gain access to one of the chemical plants that reportedly produced 'Novichok.' The New York Times reported (http://www.nytimes.com/1999/05/25/world/us-and-uzbeks-agree-on-chemical-arms-plant-cleanup.html) that the US military was going to spend up to $6 million "to demilitarize the so-called Chemical Research Institute"located in the Uzbek city of Nukus. "Soviet defectors and American officials say the Nukus plant was the major research and testing site for a new class of secret, highly lethal chemical weapons called 'Novichok,' which in Russian means ''new guy,'" the piece said.

How was it proven to have been Russia, if nerve agents can be produced anywhere?
'Novichok' is said to be a "binary agent," meaning that it could be stored as two, less toxic chemicals. To produce the active toxic agent, the two must be mixed, and be allowed to react. This makes the ingredients easier to transport, as they only become fully toxic when mixed.

Anton Utkin, a Russian chemist who worked as a UN inspector in Iraq and developed technologies to destroy Russia's chemical weapons, says it's unclear "how they could establish that it was produced in Russia." He said that anyone familiar with the technology could have produced it. "You can't find out who manufactured the chemical weapon - the content of the substance will be fully identical while using the same method," he said. "There is no way to establish with full accuracy that a chemical comes from this or that country."

What about the chemical watchdog confirming Russia destroyed its stockpiles?
In autumn last year, the OPCW confirmed that Moscow - a signatory to the Chemical Weapons Convention - had completely destroyed its stockpiles. The organization's inspection teams verified the destruction at seven chemical weapons destruction facilities in Russia, and, on September 27, 2017, the last of these facilities officially ceased its operations. The six other facilities were closed between 2005 and 2015.

"The completion of the verified destruction of Russia's chemical weapons program is a major milestone in the achievement of the goals of the Chemical Weapons Convention," the organization's Head Ambassador Ahmet Uzumcu said at the time. He praised countries that assisted Russia with its destruction program, as well as OPCW (https://www.opcw.org/news/article/opcw-director-general-commends-major-milestone-as-russia-completes-destruction-of-chemical-weapons-stockpile-under-opcw-verification/) staff who verified the destruction.

Timing is everything?
Russian officials say the timing of the allegations is particularly notable. "Presidential elections are looming in Russia, and the country is accused of committing every mortal sin," Sergey Stepashin, former FSB director, told Interfax. "Tell me, which idiot in Russia could carry out such [an attack]? Where is the logic ?"

He asserted that the story could have been "a primitive provocation by British intelligence services," and noted that Moscow and London signed a 1998 agreement on mutual investigations in high-profile cases. "So, hand the files over to us and let us probe the crime together," the former intelligence chief said.

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In short:
"It's been discovered the moon is made of green cheese and it is highly likely Russia did it!"

Consequently:
[B]Sanctions![I] Sanctions! Sanctions! Sanctions!

Sanctions!

Cidersomerset

14th March 2018, 20:44

This is all part of a larger political play against Assad in Syria and Russia which
we have seen for the past few years and Nikki Haley spells it out in the UN.
This is in direct response for the Syrian armies recent victories with Russian and
Iranian support to liberate their country.

This is an attempt to get support to legitimise the US and hopefully get more NATO
troops involved , the UK has drones operating in Iraq and with this 'false flag' type
event if accepted by parliament and the press which it seems to be will allow
another vote to send military assets to Syria . Also as Mrs Thatcher famously said
there is nothing like a war to boost your failing ratings in the polls and the
Falklands certainly helped the Iron lady for a decade.

Mrs. May is not in the same league as Thatcher but she is in the same political
pressure with Brexit as Thatcher was with the unions and she may think the
distraction of a war will make her look strong....the usual political bs.

Mrs May said in parliament today we have taken steps to dismantle the Russian
espionage ring operating in the UK. WTF is she on about ? If they knew there
was a spy ring they could have got rid of it at anytime they wanted , of course
there are spies here there always has been .....:spy::spy::spy::spy::spy::spy:

Nikki Haley: Russia responsible for UK poisoning

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CNN Published on 14 Mar 2018
US Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley says the US believes that
Russia is responsible for the poisoning of a former Russian spy and his daughter
in Salisbury, UK

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The UK rep opens the debate and the Russian Rep responds aprox 39 min in
the vid below strongly and basically asks the UK who benefits from this ?
certainly not Russia , but would benefits certain players.

UNSC holds urgent meeting over Salisbury attack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USYfRVqG2lk
Streamed live 2 hours ago...14/3/18
Read more: https://on.rt.com/913c
Britain has called for a meeting of the U.N. Security Council to discuss the
investigation into the chemical agent attack on a former Russian spy and his
daughter.

Baby Steps

14th March 2018, 21:07

If this is May's WMD moment I think she's about to be found out.

"It is a scientific impossibility for Porton Down to have been able to test for novichoks, without possessing some to develop the tests. As Dr Black has revealed Porton Down had never seen any Russian novichok, they cannot have a test for it unless they synthesised some themselves to develop the tests. And if they can synthesise it, so can many others, not just the Russians.

And finally – Mirzayanov is an Uzbek name and the novichok programme, assuming it existed, was in the Soviet Union but far away from modern Russia, at Nukus in modern Uzbekistan. I have visited the Nukus chemical weapons site myself. It was dismantled and made safe and all the stocks destroyed and the equipment removed by the American government, as I recall finishing while I was Ambassador there. There has in fact never been any evidence that any “novichok” ever existed in Russia itself."

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk

"I certainly hope that Skripal, his companion, and anybody else affected, recover fully from whatever has attacked them. But I moved long ago past a world view where my country are the “goodies” and Russians are the “baddies”, and instead I reached an understanding that those in power oppress the people, universally. The idea that the elaborate spy games between world intelligence agencies are a battle between right and wrong, is for the story books. They are all wrong, all part of a system where power over people is controlled for the benefit of the wealthy, and battles are over hard resources, whichever “side” you are on."

Craig Murray former British Ambassador.

http://truepublica.org.uk/united-kingdom/ex-uk-ambassador-skripal-novichoc-russia-israel-syria-mi6-salisbury/

Cidersomerset

14th March 2018, 22:33

Piers Morgan is a bigot at times and has no idea of how RT reports its news
and is rude and ignorant to Afshin Rattani all the way through.

Piers Morgan Clashes With RT Presenter About Russia Reporting | Good Morning Britain
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Published on 14 Mar 2018
Piers Morgan goes head to head with Russia Today presenter Afshin Rattansi over
reporting around the Russian poisoning allegations.

Cara

15th March 2018, 00:18

A new article from Moon of Alabama:

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/theresa-mays-novichok-claims-fall-apart.html

Theresa May's 'Novichok' Claims Fall Further Apart
March 14, 2018

The British government claims (http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/theresa-mays-45-minutes-claim.html) that 'Novichok' poisons, developed 30 years ago in the Soviet Union, affected a British double agent. Such substances may not exits at all.

The 'whistleblower' for the 'Novichok' program and poisons published some chemical formulas that should enable any decent laboratory to reproduce them. But neither the existence of the claimed program nor the existence of the alleged substances were ever accepted by the scientific community.

The highly constructed drama around the alleged poisoning (http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/spy-posions-spy-and-the-anti-trump-campaign.html) of a British double agent Skripal and his daughter has thus turned into a surreal play. The British government has so far given no evidence that the Skripal's were poisoned at all, or were poisoned by someone else. No detailed medical bulletin was published. The British accusations against Russia lets one assume that a suicide attempt has been excluded. Why?

There is no independent evaluation of the alleged poison. The British government claims that its own chemical weapon laboratory at Porton Down, only a few miles from where the incident happened, has identified the poison as one of the 'Novichok' chemicals.

But in 2016 a leading chemist at Porton Down published a piece in a scientific journal that denied that such chemicals exist. (Tim Hayword and Craig Murray both point (https://timhayward.wordpress.com/2018/03/14/urgent-communication-questions-to-be-addressed-regarding-novichoks/) this out (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/the-novichok-story-is-indeed-another-iraqi-wmd-scam/)):

As recently as 2016 Dr Robin Black, Head of the Detection Laboratory at the UK’s only chemical weapons facility at Porton Down, a former colleague of Dr David Kelly, published in an extremely prestigious scientific journal that the evidence for the existence of Novichoks was scant and their composition unknown.

In recent years, there has been much speculation that a fourth generation of nerve agents, ‘Novichoks’ (newcomer), was developed in Russia, beginning in the 1970s as part of the ‘Foliant’ programme, with the aim of finding agents that would compromise defensive countermeasures. Information on these compounds has been sparse in the public domain, mostly originating from a dissident Russian military chemist, Vil Mirzayanov. No independent confirmation of the structures or the properties of such compounds has been published. (Black, 2016)

Robin Black. (2016) Development, Historical Use and Properties of Chemical Warfare Agents. Royal Society of Chemistry

Additionally the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) has not recognized Novichoks as chemical weapons because it found scant evidence that they exist at all. The U.S. and the UK are both part of the organization and both agreed with this evaluation:

The OPCW’s Scientific Advisory Board (SAB) appeared to doubt the existence of “Novichoks”, and did not advise that the compounds described by Mirzayanov, or their precursors, should be designated as Scheduled Chemicals that should be controlled under the Chemical Weapons Convention:

[The SAB] emphasised that the definition of toxic chemicals in the Convention would cover all potential candidate chemicals that might be utilised as chemical weapons. Regarding new toxic chemicals not listed in the Annex on Chemicals but which may nevertheless pose a risk to the Convention, the SAB makes reference to “Novichoks”. The name “Novichok” is used in a publication of a former Soviet scientist who reported investigating a new class of nerve agents suitable for use as binary chemical weapons. The SAB states that it has insufficient information to comment on the existence or properties of “Novichoks”. (OPCW, 2013)

The former Soviet scientist, Vil Mirzanjaov, who 'blew the whistle' and wrote about the 'Novichoks', now lives in a $1 million (https://twitter.com/dgaytandzhieva/status/973938123221676033) home in the United States. The AFP news agency just interviewed him (https://www.yahoo.com/news/russians-says-chemist-uncovered-existence-novichok-075342077.html):

Mirzayanov, speaking at his home in Princeton, New Jersey, said he is convinced Russia carried it out as a way of intimidating opponents of President Vladimir Putin.

"Only the Russians" developed this class of nerve agents, said the chemist. "They kept it and are still keeping it in secrecy."

The only other possibility, he said, would be that someone used the formulas in his book to make such a weapon.

"Russia did it", says Mirzanjaov, "OR SOMEONE WHO READ MY BOOK".

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Continues here: http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/theresa-mays-novichok-claims-fall-apart.html

Cara

15th March 2018, 00:28

Adam Garrie (middle east commentator an analyst) comments on the UN Security Council meeting here:
http://www.eurasiafuture.com/2018/03/14/russia-uk-united-nations-give-colonial-habits/

Russia to UK at the United Nations: “Give Up on Colonial Habits”
Written by Adam Garrie on 2018-03-14

Of all the recent farcical sessions of the UN Security Council to have transpired in recent years, today’s was one of the most surreal. The UN Security council had initially opted to hold a private meeting to discuss what in a saner circumstance would be a localised police issue in a quiet leafy city in England. ... Unless some international element of the crime is discovered which thus far, it has not, it will ultimately remain a matter of local law enforcement. It is of great relevance that it was Russia which demanded the meeting be open to the public so that the world could see just how absurd the statements from the UK and US would be. Russia was right – there was plenty of absurdity on display.

But if it wasn’t enough for the UK to demand a meeting of the Security Council to discuss a local police issue, once the UK envoy at the meeting got down flushing the presumption of innocence down the drain, it was US Ambassador Nikki Haley’s turn. While the issue at hand was the poisoning of a former British spy of Russian origin, his daughter visiting from Moscow and a local police officer who fell ill while searching the initial victim’s house, for Nikki Haley, it was also about Syria and North Korea.

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When Russian Ambassador to the UN Vasily Nebenzya spoke, he first of all dispelled the notion that the fact the USSR developed the alleged poison in question somehow proves culpability. Nebenzya reminded the Security Council that since 1992, Russia began the dismantling of its chemical weapons programme and as part of this agreement, Moscow shared previously confidential formulas for various chemical substances, including with the US and its partners. In any case, the formula for the chemical substance allegedly used in the Skripal incident is public knowledge and is available to anyone who purchases a book by a man called Vil Mirzayanov. His book incidentally retails for $30.

While the UK is implying that it does not have the formula for the alleged poison, Ambassador Nebenzya reminded the Security Council that according to the scientific method, in order for UK investigators to positively identify a substance, one would need the chemical formula for the alleged substance as well as a control sample to measure against that which was found in the victim. The clear implication is that either the UK has access to the Novichok poison or otherwise, it cannot be entirely sure if this was even the substance which led to the illness of Skripal, his daughter and a police detective.

Nebenzya lamented that the nation which produced the author Arthur Conan Doyle, has become more like his incompetent character Inspector Lestrade, rather than the more studious Sherlock Holmes. He further stated that the UK and others must “give up on colonial habits”, which he correctly said were throwbacks to the 19th century and un-befitting of the 21st.

When all is said and done, what should have been a police investigation that could have then been supervised by international parties to the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, has become a neo-imperial farce, where countries like the UK and US are throwing around racist stereotypes about Russia in order to force Russia to prove its innocence in a matter where no guilt can reasonably be assigned without a great deal more investigation.

This is ultimately what it boils down to – a former empire criticising a current superpower for something they had no motive to carry out.

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From here: http://www.eurasiafuture.com/2018/03/14/russia-uk-united-nations-give-colonial-habits/

Cara

15th March 2018, 00:45

The Lyndon LaRouche team believe this and the Russiagate hysteria were orchestrated by the British; the latter as a plot against the US and Trump. (They have a pinned tweet with a petition on this in their twitter feed; pinned on 8 Jan: https://twitter.com/larouchepac/status/950449155150925824?s=20)

They might be right about British orchestration... after all Steele is a British intelligence player and it wouldn’t be the first time we had a “perfidious Albion” play.

Here is their analysis: https://larouchepac.com/20180314/british-imperial-geopolitics-collapsing-theresa-may-desperately-tries-control-trump

British Imperial Geopolitics Collapsing, Theresa May Desperately Tries To Control Trump

British Prime Minister Theresa May has put on a "Churchillian" show over the apparent poisoning of a Russian double agent in London. She and Foreign Secretary Boris "Col. Blimp" Johnson have issued a 24-hour ultimatum to Russia and demanded NATO support for a U.K. confrontation against Russia and possible attack on Syria. Tuesday afternoon May was pursuing President Donald Trump by phone to try to rope him into attacking Russia.

Unfortunately for her, Churchill himself was an eager user of poison weapons on the battlefield, "extermination bombing" -- as he put it -- and poison gas attacks on civilians from "inferior races." Many around the world remember the history of Great Britain, and are aware of its present arming and direction of the Saudi war of genocide against Yemen.

And the U.K. itself possesses the rare chemical nerve agent May claims was used by Russians in London.

But May's desperation really comes from the fact that the geopolitical doctrine conjured by Britain over centuries is at its fag end. It is being defeated by a new policy known as the New Silk Road and named by China's President the "common destiny of humanity."

...

The British intelligence-spawned "Russiagate" scandals in the United States, aimed at either forcing Trump into confrontation with Russia or forcing him out of office, continue to collapse -- now with the House Intelligence Committee ending its investigations and declaring, "nothing there."

President Putin's March 1 speech declared obsolete and dead, the NATO policy of surrounding Russia with NATO strategic first-strike capability. It cannot be ignored. The U.S. Defense Department itself has now acknowledged that U.S. ABM systems will not work against Russia's strategic weapons. As President Putin said, negotiation based on mutual respect is the best policy for both countries.

May herself could be about to be replaced as Prime Minister by Jeremy Corbyn, who actually has mass support in the British public, in part for rejecting war confrontations with Russia.

Whether the British PM can get President Trump to say "Russia did it" today, or not, her problem is deeper. As Helga Zepp-LaRouche commented yesterday, the establishment May represents is {already} defeated and in a rear-guard battle -- fighting for British imperial geopolitics to the bitter end. The new paradigm of great power relations pioneered by China is pushing the long-dominant British geopolitical doctrine off the stage of history.

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Ends with a pitch for LaRouche (sadly) but the whole article is here: https://larouchepac.com/20180314/british-imperial-geopolitics-collapsing-theresa-may-desperately-tries-control-trump

Cidersomerset

15th March 2018, 06:48

Problem Reaction Solution ... Very convenient coincidence...

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UK to build new £48m chemical weapons defence centre
2 hours ago..15/3/18
Related TopicsRussian spy poisoning

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The UK is to build a new chemical weapons "defence centre" to protect
itself from what it says is the growing threat from Russia and North Korea.

Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson is to announce the £48m facility will
be located at the government's Defence Science and Technology Laboratory.

Scientists at Porton Down in Wiltshire helped identify the nerve agent used
to attack ex-Russian spy Sergei Skripal.

Thousands of British troops are also to be vaccinated against anthrax.

In a speech on Thursday, Mr Williamson will say the "shocking and reckless"
attack on Mr Skripal and his daughter illustrated the increasing dangers the
UK faced from chemical weapons. The UK is expelling 23 Russian diplomats and
taking a range of other measures in response to what it said was the Russian
state's culpability for the use of a military grade nerve agent on the duo in Salisbury.

read more''''
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43405686

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UK & US accused Russia of poisoning Sergei Skripal at emergency UNSC meeting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q8y8fyjcD0
Published on 14 Mar 2018
The UK government has accused Russia of breaching the International Chemical
Weapons Convention.That came during an emergency meeting of the UN Security
Council, called by London over the poisoning of Russian double agent Sergei Skripal
in Britain.

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'Cui bono?' - Russian envoy to UN asks about Salisbury case
RT
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Published on 14 Mar 2018
Russia's envoy to the UN, Vasily Nebenzya, has demanded “hard evidence” of
Russia's involvement in the incident in Salisbury. He also asked members of UNSC
to think who would benefit from accusations against Russia
Read more: https://on.rt.com/913e

Cidersomerset

15th March 2018, 13:39

‘Guilty until proven innocent’: UK implements
sanctions against Russia over Skripal case

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Published on 15 Mar 2018
The UN Security Council meeting comes after allegations from Britain's
Prime Minister Theresa May, on Russia's alleged involvement in the
poisoning of former spy Sergey Skripal and his daughter.

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‘Russia should go away & shut up’ – UK Defence Secretary amid diplomatic row

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOxBQ0JBKqs

Published on 15 Mar 2018
London says Russia should 'shut up and go away' in response to a question
about Moscow’s statements that it would expel British diplomats. UK also said
it will boost Britain's military in response to the poisoning of Sergey Skripal
and his daughter
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Russia spy: Allies condemn nerve agent attack

The leaders of France, Germany, the US and UK have issued a statement on the
nerve agent attack in the UK, saying there is "no plausible alternative explanation"
to Russian responsibility.

read more...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43415271

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Tensions increase between the UK and Russia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVrqaYeS90E
Published on 15 Mar 2018
BBC News debate...

Jayke

15th March 2018, 21:26

The New York Times presents proof that Russia murdered Ex-spy with chemicals:

https://russia-insider.com/en/nytimes-presents-proof-russia-murdered-ex-spy-chemicals/ri22790

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Cidersomerset

16th March 2018, 00:34

This is what I thought straight away the timing , motives ,consequences
all seemed contrived and make no sense. It could be rogue Russian
agents ? or as one pundit suggested Putin did it to look strong at home,
on the eve of the Russian elections which seems silly as he is favourite to
win without any external support. Also they do not want extra negative
world opinion with the soccer World cup coming up in a few months in
Russia. It does make sense for the globalist to do it to put pressure
on Putin in Syria and the Ukraine and justify all the Russia hysteria
in the US and the west....

Did Putin Poison A British Ex-Spy, Or Was It A Globalist False Flag?

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Published on 15 Mar 2018
Ted Malloch joins Alex Jones live via Skype to discuss European politics,
including the claim from the UK that Putin is somehow behind the poisoning
of an ex-spy on British soil.

Cidersomerset

16th March 2018, 02:10

Ep. 588: 'Russian Spy Attack' Special: what is next for Russia & the United Kingdom?
goingundergroundRT
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Published on 14 Mar 2018
In this special broadcast, we speak to Lembit Opik, Piers Robinson, and Ben Harris-
Quinney about Theresa May’s statement on the Russian Spy Attack and the future
of anglo-russian diplomatic relations.

Tintin

16th March 2018, 16:26

Cidersomerset

16th March 2018, 17:10

Lavrov accuses UK of violating law, Moscow opens case into the poisoning of Skripal's daughter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cHwhWlcLcE
Published on 16 Mar 2018
Russia has announced it's opened a criminal investigation into the attempted
murder of Yulia Skripal, the daughter of the former Russian spy who was also
poisoned in the English city of Salisbury. READ MORE: https://on.rt.com/918t

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Spy poisoning: Putin most likely behind attack - Johnson

Russian President Vladimir Putin is "overwhelmingly likely" to have
ordered the nerve agent attack on an ex-spy and his daughter, Boris
Johnson has said.The foreign secretary said "our quarrel is with Putin's
Kremlin, and with his decision" over the Salisbury incident.

Russia denies involvement and said the accusations against Mr Putin
were "shocking and unforgivable".Meanwhile, the head of Nato told the
BBC that Russia has underestimated the "resolve and unity" of the UK's
allies.Speaking during a visit to a west London military bunker with the
Polish foreign minister, Mr Johnson said the UK's "quarrel is with Putin's
Kremlin".

"We think it overwhelmingly likely that it was his decision to direct the
use of a nerve agent on the streets of the UK, on the streets of Europe,
for the first time since the Second World War," he said.

read more...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43429152

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When Russia Is Accused of Anything the Usual Requirements of
Proof Are Overlooked and Ignored

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voowOJUjO4M
What's the genesis of the entire anti-Russian frenzy? When did it start?
I'll give you a hint. Hillary Clinton.

Britain says proofless blame for the poisoning of double agent Sergei Skripal
and his daughter in the English city of Salisbury lies with the Russian state.
Which of course is counterproductive. Prime Minister Theresa May responded
by expelling 23 Russian diplomats, severing high-level contacts with Moscow
and vowing to take both open and covert actions against Russian dirty money
and "hostile state activity."

#LionelNation🇺🇸

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Skripal case helps divert attention from Brexit’ – Russian ambassador to UK
Yakovenko (EXCLUSIVE)

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Published on 16 Mar 2018
The UK is using the Skripal case to divert attention from Brexit issues, Russia’s
Ambassador to the UK Alexander Yakovenko told RT. London has actively engaged
a NATO-led anti-Russian campaign for this purpose, he said. READ MORE: https://on.rt.com/917l

Baby Steps

16th March 2018, 17:22

Cidersomerset

16th March 2018, 18:08

‘Blatant Russian-ness’: West shifting blame to
Moscow again…now in Skripal poisoning case

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Published on 16 Mar 2018..RT.
A joint statement by the UK, US, France and Germany says the poisoning
of ex-double agent Sergei Skripal was a violation of Britain’s sovereignty
by Russia and was the first offensive use of a chemical agent since World War II.

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Galloway: Russia could not benefit from Skripal poisoning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7snm1Yvwuu4
Published on 15 Mar 2018
"It's absolutely absurd that Russia would actually put its signature on a crime
like this if they had carried it out" says George Galloway as Sergey Lavrov says
Moscow's "not seeing progress" to resolve standoff.

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Kirkham: UK police doesn't provide a running commentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWg__Y_loDo
Published on 15 Mar 2018
"UK police doesn't provide a running commentary" says Peter Kirkham as
Theresa May expels 23 Russian diplomats over spy poisoning case

Tintin

16th March 2018, 19:58

Thank you TinTin!

It is worth keeping tabs in Craig Murray's blog as there is a twitter spat going on with a chemist. This man is claiming that mass spectroscopy can identify the agent - so the Porton Down guys would be able to identify it without ever having encountered it.

This sounds questionable, but I am not a chemist

My pleasure :thumbsup: Yes, me too, I am no chemist although I would have liked to have pursued that in Secondary school. Alas, I was able to bomb on physics instead, twice remarkably, although I may have become better at it since leaving school and pursuing this sort of research!

I suspect it could have been acquired from pretty much anywhere but the proximity (and convenience) of Porton Down to the crime scene does certainly make that an enormous, and at the moment at least, my favourite candidate for its source.

And I agree with whoever it was here Add edit: your good self in fact who pointed out that this is May's WMD moment, absolutely.

Cidersomerset

17th March 2018, 13:05

I do wonder if the Deepstate globalists are trying to get Trump to distance himself
from Russia by using the UK to deepen the wedge through our close ties and NATO
alliances ? an attack on one is an attack on all type of thing.

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Russia spy poisoning: 23 UK diplomats expelled from Moscow

13 minutes ago...17/3/18

Russia is to expel 23 British diplomats in a row over the nerve agent attack on an-
ex spy and his daughter in the UK.The Russian foreign ministry said staff would be
expelled from Moscow within a week in response to Britain's decision to expel 23
Russian diplomats. It also said it would close the British Council in Russia, which
promotes cultural ties between the nations, and the British Consulate in St
Petersburg.

UK Prime Minister Theresa May said: "We anticipated a response of this kind."

She said that the government will consider its next steps "in the coming days,
alongside our allies and partners".

"We will never tolerate a threat to the life of British citizens and others on British
soil from the Russian Government," she added.

The UK ordered Russian diplomats to leave the country over the incident on 4
March which the UK government has blamed on Russia - but which Russia denies.
The British Council, the UK's international organisation for cultural relations and
educational opportunities, said it was "profoundly disappointed" at being told to
cease operations in Russia.

read more...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43440992

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UK accuses Russia of Skripal incident but they had cases of lying in the
past – OPCW representative

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbj-3XpQ5fg

Published on 16 Mar 2018
Alexandr Shulgin, Russia's permanent representative to the Organisation for the
Prohibition of Chemical Weapons and ambassador to the Netherlands, discusses the
issue of Skripal incident.

Eric J (Viking)

17th March 2018, 16:39

The "secret" Theresa May claims is only known to Russia could have been obtained by anyone with an internet connection and $8.16 to spend (such as Skripal himself)
(Off Guardian: https://russia-insider.com/en/guardian_1) Mar 16, 2018
We already know UK PM Theresa May misrepresented the Russian law on executing terrorists in foreign lands, in order to bolster her currently evidence-free claims of Russian culpability in the poisoning of ex-MI6 employee Sergey Skripal. Her narrative remains, as of March 15, bald and unconvincing. But it seems things may be about to get even worse for her and what some see as her bid to “Falklandise” her flagging premiership. It seems the “nerve agent” she claims was used to attack Skripal and his daughter may not actually exist.

Incredible as it may seem given the tale of certitude told by May in Parliament, and given the column inches used up in the media assuring the UK public how terrifyingly toxic “novichok” really is, the evidence for this alleged super-poison’s existence currently rests solely on the unproven claims of a dissident soviet “military chemist” named Vil Mirzayanov.
Mirzayanov told his western handlers a group of new (“novichok” in Russian can be translated as “new stuff” or “new arrival”) and allegedly highly dangerous compounds which he claimed could be created by combining commonly available substances, but it turns out western scientists were far from convinced by his claims, and, even as recently as two years ago, the efficacy and even the existence, of these “novichoks” was still deemed to be entirely speculative.
For example in 2013 the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (the body the UK refuses to work with in the Skripal case) had this to say about the potential reality of novichoks:
Regarding new toxic chemicals not listed in the Annex on Chemicals but which may nevertheless pose a risk to the Convention, the SAB makes reference to “Novichoks”. The name “Novichok” is used in a publication of a former Soviet scientist who reported investigating a new class of nerve agents suitable for use as binary chemical weapons. The SAB states that it has insufficient information to comment on the existence or properties of “Novichoks” Report of the Scientific Advisory Boardon Developments in Science and Technology for The Third Review Conference p. 3, section 8
And again in 2016 Dr Robin Black, former head of the detection laboratory at the Defence Science and Technology Laboratory at Porton Down made the same point:
In recent years, there has been much speculation that a fourth generation of nerve agents, ‘Novichoks’ (newcomer), was developed in Russia, beginning in the 1970s as part of the ‘Foliant’ programme, with the aim of finding agents that would compromise defensive countermeasures. Information on these compounds has been sparse in the public domain, mostly originating from a dissident Russian military chemist, Vil Mirzayanov. No independent confirmation of the structures or the properties of such compounds has been published. Robin Black (Dr), Development, Historical Use and Properties of Chemical Warfare Agents. Royal Society of Chemistry 2016, cited in “Doubts about novichoks” by Piers Robinson & Paul McKeigue
What these publications are effectively saying is – there’s no evidence any of these compounds work in the way claimed and Mirzayanov may very possibly be exaggerating or inventing.
Which raises the question – how did the scientists allegedly sourced by May suddenly feel able to not only identify this previously poorly understood and questionable substance, but identify where it came from and lay claim to it being massively deadly and toxic? As Craig Murray says (our emphasis):
…now, the British Government is claiming to be able instantly to identify a substance which its only biological weapons research centre has never seen before and was unsure of its existence. Worse, it claims to be able not only to identify it, but to pinpoint its origin. Given Dr Black’s publication, it is plain that claim cannot be true.
But that’s not all. There’s also problems with May’s claim that the “novichok” formula is a deep secret, known only to the Russians. Mirzanayov was interviewed by AFP about the Skripal case and this is what he said:
“Only the Russians” developed this class of nerve agents, said the chemist. “They kept it and are still keeping it in secrecy.”
More:
https://russia-insider.com/en/novichok-could-only-come-russiaor-anyone-who-bought-816-book-amazon/ri22800

Viking

Baby Steps

17th March 2018, 17:24

here we are , its spring and allegedly getting warmer.

UK and its european allies are increasingly dependent on Russian gas. But they want to hurt and marginalise russia prior to invading it, either commercially or physically, in order to steal its resources.

How to hurt Russia now? stop buying gas. What to replace it with? DOMESTIC FRACKING

if you oppose british fracking you are not an environmentalist, no, you are a Russian agent!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL0t9jmdbkU

norman

17th March 2018, 17:28

This situation is huge and obviously, to me, well planned and computer modelled.

I'm now seeing this in the same way I see the attack on independent media on youtube etc.

It's all been stewing since Trump won the election. It's taken them a long time to go back to square one and use the computer modelling to come up with a new plan to get them out of this situation they have found themselves in.

Call me nuts, but, I even think the weather phenomenon recently, called the "beast from the east", is part of the program the computers came up with, and quite probably engineered too.

I suppose there is 'some' point to discussing the nitty gritty details of who had the ability to make a nerve agent etc, but we need to get our heads around a very big picture here. It's all coordinated on a vast scale. We are being pushed by the full clout of all their resources.

As soon as I turn on the radio and hear the tone of the "Russia" news, I KNOW this is all a huge and very tactical crock.

Try to grasp the fact that it's taken them since November 2016 to run the computers, meet and talk etc, to get this operation up and running. It's big, and we are not facing it at the right level. We have to grasp the meme and turn it around, not pick over the rubble of the moves they are stringing together with this.

Tintin

17th March 2018, 17:42

It's a little rich that Mrs May (in full on Tony Blair circa 2003 WMD mode - thanks to Baby Steps for that hint) has the temerity to accuse Russia of breaching a UN chemical weapons treaty when, at Porton Down, in England the last time I looked (sarcasm, come on in) is still actively experimenting with agents.

Smacks of hypocrisy on a scale that beggars belief. That said, it would have been briefing officers via the Admiralty in all likelihood, I suspect, that will have concocted this script. She's been hoodwinked as well unless privy to, or actively involved in authoring it. (bangs head on a wall repeatedly at this point)

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Cidersomerset

17th March 2018, 20:58

Businessman Bill Browder total BS , he obviously hates Putin and sounds like a
intel asset....But this is the type of interview/segment on the US mainstream..

Former Putin target on why Russia is behind spy poisoning
Fox News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0odotsIW4E
Published on 17 Mar 2018
World leaders condemn Russia in nerve gas attack on British soil.
Businessman Bill Browder speaks out on 'Journal Editorial Report.'

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How to hurt Russia now? stop buying gas. What to replace it with? DOMESTIC FRACKING

Cathy Newman asks whether Russia would turn off the gas ? The Ambassador
replied no....

'No proof' Sergei Skripal ill in hospital: Russian Ambassador Alexander Yakovenko

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Published on 16 Mar 2018..Channel 4 News
Before the announcement from the Met Police about Nikolai Glushkov,
Cathy Newman went to the Russian Embassy in London to speak to the
Russian Ambassador to Britain. I began by asking him what he made of
the UK Government's accusations that the Russian state was behind the
Salisbury attack.

norman

17th March 2018, 21:51

I find myself navigating more and more by how something feels than by scooping up lots of different lines of bullsh!t looking for a guide line in the narrative.

I'm very well used to how brit public figures talk when they are relatively relaxed and doing the normal crap. Nothing about this is like that. They are all under the whip and kidding themselves it's the right thing to do for Britain.

**The Roths are very good at disguising their interests as the interests of Britain.

This circus is cringemaking at best, and I think I'll need the sick bucket handy.

** Speaking of which, has the queen made any comment yet ?

Jayke

17th March 2018, 23:01

Ian Crane nailed it for me with his twitter comment:

ONLY an intellectual pygmy, with a Room Temperature IQ, would entertain Theresa May's attempt to pin this BS on Russia ... when there's NOT A SHRED of hard evidence in the public domain to support this assertion!

There’s a couple good books to help deconstruct the narrative...Alex Krainer - the Killing of Bill Browder (https://thesaker.is/cooperative-authors-the-killing-of-william-browder-deconstructing-bill-browders-dangerous-deception-alex-krainer-with-review-by-the-saker/). This book shows Browder and his connections to the Jewish/American oligarchs that raped Russia at the end of the Yeltsin era. Bill Bowders book ‘Red Notice’ was a deep state propoganda piece that the West used as evidence for creating the Magnitsky Act, an act that gives the US an excuse to slap sanctions on Russia.

William Engdahl’s latest Book Manifest Destiny: Democracy as Cognitive Dissonance (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/3981723732/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) gives an analysis of those behind the NGO’s operating in Russia, in tandem with people like Bill Browder, at the time Russia was being raped and pillaged by the West.

The fact Bill Browder is being rolled out again now as the ‘Expert’ to push this latest pitiful propoganda effort is a good indicator of who’s really behind the poisoning plot (the crypto-jew oligarchs of Israel and the Bush/Clinton/Soros faction of the US deep state). Theresa Mays strings are clearly being pulled to the extent that it’s making her and the rest of the British political establishment look like spineless, imbecilic, hysterical, jellyfish—and frankly, I’m feeling completely embarrassed for them right now.

The danger for me is that this whole affair is planned to make Theresa May and the Tory party look weak, pathetic and stupid—so that in the next election, votes switch to the left for Corbyn as Prime Minister—who would definitely find a way to reverse Brexit and keep us in the EU. It’s a globalist last ditch coup on sanity itself. One that’s already backfired on them and left them looking like the worlds latest laughing stock.

Cidersomerset

17th March 2018, 23:13

There’s a couple good books to help deconstruct the narrative...Alex Krainer - the Killing
of Bill Browder. This book shows Browder and his connections to the Jewish/American oligarchs
that raped Russia at the end of the Yeltsin era. Bill Bowders book ‘Red Notice’ was a deep state
propoganda piece that the West used as evidence for creating the Magnitsky Act, an act that
gives the US an excuse to slap sanctions on Russia.

I thought there was something overly aggressive and odd about his hate of Putin , and
I slightly edited the above post to highlight the channel 4 vid with the Russian UK ambassador.
Where 'attack bitch' Cathy Newman tried to accuse him of supporting conspiracy theories...

Virtually all the mainstream news segments in the US/UK have been towing the
official UK government line....

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Media and legal analyst gives his thoughts....

The Skirpal et Fille Poisoning: The Conspiracy Theory
Embraced by Those Who Hate Conspiracy Theories

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Published on 17 Mar 2018
Let's put the controversy into context this way. And pay close attention.
This was crafted by my topiarist Lars and it spells out the quandary perfectly.

"Here is what makes no sense to me: If I ran Russia and there was an
individual in a Russian prison that I wanted dead, why would I not do it
then, when that person was completely under my control, where the
investigation into their death was completely under my control, and when
their death would create almost no international news, instead of allowing
them to flee to England and perform the hit on British soil, where the
operation would be risky, where I have no control over the subsequent
investigation and which would be sure to create an international political
firestorm?"

Yet despite the preposterous nature of this "conspiracy theory" it is
nonetheless espoused by those who normally eschew them.
#LionelNation🇺🇸

Cara

18th March 2018, 06:43

Is the need to obfuscate this little piece of evidence linked to the Skripal case?

Syrian Army Intercepts Truck Heading to Terrorists in Eastern Ghouta (Sputnik)
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Only one minute and eight seconds long. Check out the label at 0:42 (Salisbury, England) and the Captagon and other drugs at 1:01. Lots of guns, ammo, and mortars too.

From here: https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2018/03/links-3-17-18.html#comment-2939803

Tintin

18th March 2018, 11:26

@Baby Steps: I'm posting the text from Craig Murray's Truepublica submission and thanks, again, for linking us to it.

I think this will also better work up front for people to read; it damns the official story, and provides great background as well, in shaping a view here.

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By Craig Murray. Craig Murray is an author, broadcaster and human rights activist. He was British Ambassador to Uzbekistan from August 2002 to October 2004 and Rector of the University of Dundee from 2007 to 2010.–

‘Russian to Judgement‘:

"The same people who assured you that Saddam Hussein had WMD’s now assure you Russian “novichok” nerve agents are being wielded by Vladimir Putin to attack people on British soil. As with the Iraqi WMD dossier, it is essential to comb the evidence very finely. A vital missing word from Theresa May’s statement yesterday was “only”. She did not state that the nerve agent used was manufactured ONLY by Russia. She rather stated this group of nerve agents had been “developed by” Russia. Antibiotics were first developed by a Scotsman, but that is not evidence that all antibiotics are today administered by Scots."

The “novichok” group of nerve agents – a very loose term simply for a collection of new nerve agents the Soviet Union were developing fifty years ago – will almost certainly have been analysed and reproduced by Porton Down. That is entirely what Porton Down is there for. It used to make chemical and biological weapons as weapons, and today it still does make them in small quantities in order to research defences and antidotes. After the fall of the Soviet Union Russian chemists made a lot of information available on these nerve agents. And one country which has always manufactured very similar persistent nerve agents is Israel. This Foreign Policy magazine (a very establishment US publication) article on Israel‘s chemical and biological weapon capability is very interesting indeed. I will return to Israel later in this article.

Incidentally, novichok is not a specific substance but a class of new nerve agents. Sources agree they were designed to be persistent, and of an order of magnitude stronger than sarin or VX. That is rather hard to square with the fact that thankfully nobody has died and those possibly in contact just have to wash their clothes.

From Putin’s point of view, to assassinate Skripal now seems to have very little motivation. If the Russians have waited eight years to do this, they could have waited until after their World Cup. The Russians have never killed a swapped spy before. Just as diplomats, British and otherwise, are the most ardent upholders of the principle of diplomatic immunity, so security service personnel everywhere are the least likely to wish to destroy a system which can be a key aspect of their own personal security; quite literally spy swaps are their “Get Out of Jail Free” card. You don’t undermine that system – probably terminally – without very good reason.

It is worth noting that the “wicked” Russians gave Skripal a far lighter jail sentence than an American equivalent would have received. If a member of US Military Intelligence had sold, for cash to the Russians, the names of hundreds of US agents and officers operating abroad, the Americans would at the very least jail the person for life, and I strongly suspect would execute them. Skripal just received a jail sentence of 18 years, which is hard to square with the narrative of implacable vindictiveness against him. If the Russians had wanted to make an example, that was the time.

It is much more probable that the reason for this assassination attempt refers to something recent or current, than to spying twenty years ago.

Were I the British police, I would inquire very closely into Orbis Intelligence.

There is no doubt that Skripal was feeding secrets to MI6 at the time that Christopher Steele was an MI6 officer in Moscow, and at the the time that Pablo Miller, another member of Orbis Intelligence, was also an MI6 officer in Russia and directly recruiting agents. It is widely reported on the web and in US media that it was Miller who first recruited Skripal.

My own ex-MI6 sources tell me that is not quite true as Skripal was “walk-in”, but that Miller certainly was involved in running Skripal for a while. Sadly Pablo Miller’s LinkedIn profile has recently been deleted, but it is again widely alleged on the web that it showed him as a consultant for Orbis Intelligence and a consultant to the FCO and – wait for it – with an address in Salisbury.

If anyone can recover that Linkedin entry do get in touch, though British Government agencies will have been active in the internet scrubbing.

It was of course Christopher Steele and Orbis Intelligence who produced for the Clinton camp the sensationalist dossier on Trump links with Russia – including the story of Trump paying to be urinated on by Russian prostitutes – that is a key part of the “Russiagate” affair gripping the US political classes. The extraordinary thing about this is that the Orbis dossier is obvious nonsense which anybody with a professional background can completely demolish, as I did here. Steele’s motive was, like Skripal’s in selling his secrets, cash pure and simple.

Steele is a charlatan who knocked up a series of allegations that are either wildly improbable, or would need a high level source access he could not possibly get in today’s Russia, or both. He told the Democrats what they wish to hear and his audience – who had and still have no motivation to look at it critically – paid him highly for it.

I do not know for certain that Pablo Miller helped knock together the Steele dossier on Trump, but it seems very probable given he also served for MI6 in Russia and was working for Orbis. And it seems to me even more probable that Sergei Skripal contributed to the Orbis Intelligence dossier on Trump. Steele and Miller cannot go into Russia and run sources any more, and never would have had access as good as their dossier claims, even in their MI6 days. The dossier was knocked up for huge wodges of cash from whatever they could cobble together. Who better to lend a little corroborative verisimilitude in these circumstances than their old source Skripal?

Skripal was at hand in the UK, and allegedly even close to Miller in Salisbury. He could add in the proper acronym for a Russian committee here or the name of a Russian official there, to make it seem like Steele was providing hard intelligence. Indeed, Skripal’s outdated knowledge might explain some of the dossier’s more glaring errors.

But the problem with double agents like Skripal, who give intelligence for money, is that they can easily become triple agents and you never know when a better offer is going to come along. When Steele produced his dodgy dossier, he had no idea it would ever become so prominent and subject to so much scrutiny. Steele is fortunate in that the US Establishment is strongly motivated not to scrutinise his work closely as their one aim is to “get” Trump. But with the stakes very high, having a very loose cannon as one of the dossier’s authors might be most inconvenient both for Orbis and for the Clinton camp.

If I was the police, I would look closely at Orbis Intelligence.

To return to Israel. Israel has the nerve agents. Israel has Mossad which is extremely skilled at foreign assassinations. Theresa May claimed Russian propensity to assassinate abroad as a specific reason to believe Russia did it. Well Mossad has an even greater propensity to assassinate abroad. And while I am struggling to see a Russian motive for damaging its own international reputation so grieviously, Israel has a clear motivation for damaging the Russian reputation so grieviously. Russian action in Syria has undermined the Israeli position in Syria and Lebanon in a fundamental way, and Israel has every motive for damaging Russia’s international position by an attack aiming to leave the blame on Russia.

Both the Orbis and Israeli theories are speculations. But they are no more a speculation, and no more a conspiracy theory, than the idea that Vladimir Putin secretly sent agents to Salisbury to attack Skripal with a secret nerve agent. I can see absolutely no reason to believe that is a more valid speculation than the others at this point.

I am alarmed by the security, spying and armaments industries’ frenetic efforts to stoke Russophobia and heat up the new cold war. I am especially alarmed at the stream of cold war warrior “experts” dominating the news cycles. I write as someone who believes that agents of the Russian state did assassinate Litvinenko, and that the Russian security services carried out at least some of the apartment bombings that provided the pretext for the brutal assault on Chechnya. I believe the Russian occupation of Crimea and parts of Georgia is illegal. On the other hand, in Syria Russia has saved the Middle East from domination by a new wave of US and gulf sponsored extreme jihadists.

The naive view of the world as “goodies” and “baddies”, with our own ruling class as the good guys, is for the birds. I witnessed personally in Uzbekistan the willingness of the UK and US security services to accept and validate intelligence they knew to be false in order to pursue their policy objectives. We should be extremely sceptical of their current anti-Russian narrative. There are many possible suspects in this attack.

Cidersomerset

18th March 2018, 12:27

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Russia spy row: UK lab could be poison source, says ambassador

1hr ago ...18/3/18

Russia's EU ambassador has suggested a UK research laboratory
could be the source of the nerve agent used in the attack on an
ex-spy and his daughter.

Vladimir Chizhov told the BBC's Andrew Marr Show Russia had
"nothing to do" with the poisoning in Salisbury of Sergei Skripal a
nd his daughter Yulia.He said Russia did not stockpile the poison
and that the Porton Down lab was only eight miles (12km) from the city.

UK Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson described the claims as "satirical".

Retired military intelligence officer Mr Skripal, 66, and Yulia, 33,
remain critically ill in hospital after being found slumped on a
bench in Salisbury city centre on 4 March.

read more...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43446312

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Apart from the Russian EU ambassador interview the rest of the guests
tow the UK government view....

The Andrew Marr Show
18/03/2018....You need a UK TV licence to access iplayer....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b09wvk7m/the-andrew-marr-show-18032018#

Andrew Marr does ask one of the most stupidest questions when he asks
the Ambassador does Russia have any spies in the UK ? The ambassador
just smiles and responds has the UK have any spies in Russia ? to which
Marr switches subjects.....

Boris Johnston responds to the ambassadors interview saying the Russians
lie basically....

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This is another example of 'Stop Putin' mentality in the mainstream.

Columnist calls on countries to expel Russian ambassadors

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/editpost.php?p=1214969&do=editpost

Published on 17 Mar 2018..Fox
Tom Rogan of the Washington Examiner says that if Russia expels British
diplomats, Britain, the U.S. and other countries should expel Russian ambassadors
in return.

Cidersomerset

18th March 2018, 13:11

John Pilger sums it up pretty well ......

'Skripal case is a carefully-constructed drama' - John Pilger

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Published on 18 Mar 2018
Russia-UK relations plunge amid row over the poisoning
of a former spy. Award-winning journalist John Pilger
joins RT to discuss this issue.

Check out http://rt.com

Hervé

18th March 2018, 16:21

Mariya Zakharova schools West in correct way to deal with Skripal assassination attempt [VIDEO] (https://theduran.com/mariya-zakharova-lays-correct-way-deal-assassination/)

Seraphim Hanisch The Duran (https://theduran.com/mariya-zakharova-lays-correct-way-deal-assassination/)
Fri, 16 Mar 2018 15:38 UTC

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© Russia Insight

Maria Zakharova speaking about the British behavior towards the Russian Federation in relation to the assassination attempt on Sergey and Yulia Skripal in Salisbury, Great Britain

However, it is unlikely her very reasoned process will fall on receptive ears as the West accuses Russia for the use of Novichok and yet refuses to listen

Maria Zakharova is a powerhouse for the Russian Foreign Affairs Ministry. She is the go-to for all matters concerning sanctions against Russia, other accusations and slanderous attacks against Russia and less virulent affairs as well.

Here on video with English subtitles, she clearly, carefully and SANELY lays out the process and rationale for how to solve the matter of the alleged Novichok-utilizing assassination attempt on ex-spy Sergey Skripal and his daughter Yulia.

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Unfortunately, it is likely not to be considered, as the Western nations continue to ramp up very bellicose rhetoric against Russia.

It would make sense if Russia actually did something, but there simply is no logic to the argument that President Vladimir Putin would order an assassination to be carried out right before the Russian Presidential elections which are to be held this Sunday, March 18th.

While people who live in the West might try to go on the idea that Putin is "showing his strength" to either inspire or cow the Russian people into voting for him, this is simply not true. Since I live in Russia and interact with people here every day, I have talked to them often enough about politics and they are very free with expressing their opinions. There is no doubt here that Putin will win, but even some of the most cynical of Russian people who say this also admit that the problem is not Putin's bullying or coerciveness, because this is nonexistent. What is the case is that no other presidential candidate has shown any significant ability that would lead the nation in any more effective a manner than what President Putin has done.

So, even those people who do not believe his personal integrity (and there are quite a number of them that freely say so) or his Christianity, which are some major selling points this election, still usually admit that he is effective as a leader, and solves problems that no one else yet has given a better idea how to solve.

Russians are, in my experience, very practical and pragmatic people. They are as emotional as anyone, but they do a pretty good job at not being hysterical and making blind accusations simply because of emotion. Not at these levels, anyway.

Hervé

18th March 2018, 16:40

Craig Murray's Skripal analysis: On Not Being Refuted (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/on-not-being-refuted/)

Craig Murray Craig Murray Blog (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/on-not-being-refuted/)
Sat, 17 Mar 2018 15:51 UTC

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Several million people have now read my articles (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/of-a-type-developed-by-liars/) on the lack of evidence of Russian government guilt for the Salisbury attack. That's over 300,000 unique visitors on this little blog alone so far, and it has been repeated on hundreds of sites all over the internet. My own tweets on the subject have been retweeted over 12,500 times and received 8 million impressions. I know that journalists from every mainstream media outlet you can mention have seen the material, because of numerous tweets from them none of which address any of the facts, but instead call me a "Conspiracy nutter" or variants of that, some very rude.

Yet what I wrote (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/the-novichok-story-is-indeed-another-iraqi-wmd-scam/) has not been refuted. It would be very easy to refute were it not true. The government would just have to say "Porton Down have stated that they have definitely identified the nerve agent as made in Russia". They have not said that. Most extraordinarily, not one mainstream media "journalist" has asked a minister the question: "You keep using this phrase the nerve agent is "of a type developed by Russia". Are you able to confirm it was actually made in Russia?" .

There is no excuse for this. Literally hundreds of mainstream media "journalists" have slavishly reproduced the propaganda phrase "of a type developed by Russia" without a single one of them every querying this rather odd wording, or why it is the government always uses that precise wording again and again and again.

It goes without saying that not a single mainstream media "journalist" has reported that fact either that until recently Porton Down believed that "novichoks" had probably never actually (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/the-novichok-story-is-indeed-another-iraqi-wmd-scam/) been synthesised successfully and that the OPCW has never banned them on the grounds that there was no evidence of their physical existence.

Finally I wish to repeat these important facts:

Israel has major undeclared stocks (http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/09/10/exclusive-does-israel-have-chemical-weapons-too/) of chemical weapons

Israel is one of a handful of countries, including North Korea, not to ratify the Chemical Weapons Convention and commit to destroy its chemical weapons

Israel is not a member of the OPCW and refuses to declare its chemical weapon stocks to the OPCW.

These are also facts you will never, ever see reported in mainstream media and entirely predictably the corporate lickspittles of the mainstream media have been out in force on social media justifying their refusal to act on any of the information I have given on the grounds I am an "anti-semite". A more extreme example of using any criticism of Israel to allege anti-semitism is hard to conceive.

The contribution of Jewish people to human development in fields including science, literature, music, art and commerce has been simply magnificent and utterly disproportionate to their numbers. The genocidal policy of Israel towards the Palestinians these last seventy years, and its rogue state status as regard chemical and nuclear wmds is a completely different question, for which I in no way blame the generality of Jewish people. In fact my position on this is the opposite of a BDS position. I actually want Israel to join OPCW, be a full member and cooperate in the destruction of its chemical weapon stocks.

I think I might now have a vodka. Of a type developed by Russia. Made in Warrington.

Cidersomerset

18th March 2018, 18:59

They discuss related topics to this thread and others..Remember Dr.Kelly suicided
over the Iraq chemicals claims that led to the 2003 invasion - Al quaeda - Isis/Isil -
Libya - now Syria and they are still lookingto Iran as per General Wesley Clark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCZ1NLZG-DY .....
Suicide riddle of weapons expert who worked with David Kelly: Read more: http..
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44122-Suicide-riddle-of-weapons-expert-who-worked-with-David-Kelly-Read-more-http..&highlight=Dr.David+Kelly+suicide

CIA Legend Ray McGovern On #Russiagate, Russian Spy Poisoning & Seth Rich
Murder - Must Listen!
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6J0QHHMNCV4/hqdefault.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J0QHHMNCV4
Published on 16 Mar 2018
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the best part of twenty years. The Richie Allen Show airs Monday - Thursday at 7
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Cidersomerset

18th March 2018, 19:54

David Shayler "MP's Should Investigate Bio-Weapons
Factory Porton Down Before Blaming Russia!"

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6FQWA7J74k4/hqdefault.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FQWA7J74k4
Published on 13 Mar 2018..Richie Allen.

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Diplomacy in Chaos, Anti-Russian Hysteria & the Future of Corbyn (Going Underground)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8Iw8bIA6yk
Published on 18 Mar 2018
In this episode, we speak to member of the UK Lords International Relations
Committee, Lord Balfe, about the response to the atrocity in Salisbury. Award-
winning author and Rolling Stone journalist Matt Taibbi warns that anti-Russian
hysteria could lead us to a nuclear winter. Consultant Editor for the Daily Mail
Andrew Pierce predicts the end of Jeremy Corbyn's political career. Plus, we review
this week’s session of PMQs!
LIKE..Going Underground http://fb.me/GoingUndergroundRT

norman

18th March 2018, 21:01

https://www.sott.net/image/s22/457116/large/T6545234234.jpg

hahahaha

Here's a thing. I've been thinking.

With Trump kicking them out of America, they are regrouping in Europe and opening up a new flank.

uzn

19th March 2018, 04:27

Since there are many similarities with this Story and the fabricated Facts of Colin Powell i like to shed some more light on Mr. Powell.
It´s 60 years ago now that one of countless american warcrimes surfaced and guess who tried to brush it under the carpet back then? Mr Powell. I am speaking of the My Lai Massacre in Vietnam where more than 500 civilans where butchered and shot.

Here is Colin Powells part in Americas great history:

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Powell arrived in Chu Lai in June, ten weeks after soldiers of the
Americal Division, under the command of Lieutenant William Calley,
massacred innocent Vietnamese civilians at the village of My Lai. Top-
ranking officers of the Americal Division engaged in massive cover-up,
and it was only due to the efforts of an idealistic young soldier, Ron
Ridenhour, who described the massacre in a letter to this congressman,
that the lid was blown off the story. But Ridenhour's letter was not
the first effort to foil the coverup. Specialist Fourth Class Tom Glen
served in the 11th Light Infantry Brigade, called the "Butcher
Brigade", the same outfit as Lt Calley. Glen has heard rumors of a
massacre, and he wrote a letter to General Creighton Abrams, supreme
commander of US forces in Vietnam.
In early December of '68, Glen's letter came to the attention of
Powell, at Division headquarters in Chu Lai. He was ordered to check
into the allegations and prepare a response.
Powell did not investigate the allegations. Instead, he went to Glen's
commander -- hardly a likely source of truth, considering the nature of
the allegations. In his report to this superior, Powell denied that
anything other than some "isolated incidents" had occurred, and claimed
that all such abuses were punished. "In direct refutation of [Glen's]
portrayal is the fact that the relations between American soldiers and
Vietnamese people are excellent.," wrote Powell.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/My_Lai_massacre.jpg
women and children dead on a road.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/Dead_man_and_child_from_the_My_Lai_massacre.jpg
dead man and son

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Two Vietnamese children on a road before they were shot by U.S. soldiers on March 16, 1968.

So thank you America and England for all the Wars and conflicts you provoked and all the innocent people you have killed worldwide.

back to topic

Cara

19th March 2018, 06:55

SOTT Behind the Headlines weekly news discussion focuses on the Skripal case this week:

Behind the Headlines: Doing Putin's 'Dirty Work': Barmy British Incite War With Russia

The strange case of Sergei Skripal began two weeks ago when this former Russian intelligence officer, along with his 33-year-old daughter Yulia, were found unconscious on a public bench in Salisbury, southern England. Fortuitously for them, the people who first found them were a passing doctor and nurse. Their current location is unknown, although British authorities report that they are alive and in a 'stable condition'.

An international scandal has erupted in the meantime, with the British government accusing its Russian counterpart of conducting a chemical weapon attack on its soil. Emergency UN Security Council meetings, more anti-Russia sanctions and other punitive measures have been undertaken by the British government, with varying degrees of support from fellow NATO member-states.

The political climate of anti-Russia hysteria, which was already tense, continues its parabolic curve towards... well, towards what? War? Anyone would be forgiven for thinking so, but with the Russian presidential election taking place today, and the football World Cup coming up in Russia this summer, the more likely impetus for these shrill histrionics stem from a powerful impetus to 'de-legitimize' Putin's government and isolate Russia internationally.

Join us on Behind the Headlines this Sunday 18 March 2018 - from 5-7pm UTC / 6-8pm CET / 1-3pm EST - for some truth antidote to the British terror tactics.

Running Time: 01:30:58

Download: OGG (https://media.sott.net/srn/20180318bth-doing-putins-dirty-work-barmy-british-incite-war-with-russia.ogg), MP3 (https://media.sott.net/srn/20180318bth-doing-putins-dirty-work-barmy-british-incite-war-with-russia.mp3)

Here: https://www.sott.net/article/380403-Behind-the-Headlines-Doing-Putins-Dirty-Work-Barmy-British-Incite-War-With-Russia

No real new information but a good review of the various bits and pieces.

Cidersomerset

19th March 2018, 12:21

Putin on Skripal case: Nonsense to think Russia did it

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Published on 19 Mar 2018
President Vladimir Putin comments on Skripal
case to journalists at his HQ for the election race

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'Problem reaction solutions False flag' distractions can be used for various reasons
in the this case the continuing demonization of Putin over Syria , Ukraine ,
Russia gate now chemical hype which seems to be an extension of chemical attack
claims in Syria etc.....

So far the anti Putin hype has risen despite his election victory yesterday the
western media and politicians are still hostile which has created a ongoing fear
atmosphere to help push through 'solutions' . Threats always focus attentions
and suddenly Brexit has gained momentum in the stalled talks , coincidence ?

The cold war rhetoric has ramped up and more....This is not to actually go
to full scale war just create fear to manipulate agendas with limited combat
in regional conflicts to keep the status quo NWO/Globalist plans going imo.

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The UK and EU agree terms for Brexit transition period
3 minutes ago...19/3/18

The UK and EU have agreed on a "large part" of the agreement that will lead to
the "orderly withdrawal" of the UK.The EU's Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier said
the two sides had agreed on a transition period, calling the announcement
a "decisive step".

read more... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43456502

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Edit: added....

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Pound jumps on Brexit transition deal

Posted at 13:33

BCC welcomes Brexit deal

Adam Marshall, chief of the British Chambers of Commerce, says it is a "milestone"
that many UK businesses have been waiting for.

"The agreement of a status quo transition period is great news for trading firms on
both sides of the Channel, as it means that they will face little or no change in day-
to-day business in the short-term," he says.

“While some companies would have liked to see copper-bottomed legal guarantees
around the transition, the political agreement reached in Brussels is sufficient for
most businesses to plan ahead with a greater degree of confidence."

read more..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/business-43430964

Cidersomerset

19th March 2018, 13:06

Of course the western spin is that Putin authorised the hit to get more support
at home and it worked. The usual opposite reactions depending on your 'team'.
The internal US political situation is just as bad if not worse from what I have
seen since Trumps election and the focus on a external 'problem' helps the
globalists with their 'solutions' in trying to manipulate him to keep to their agendas
and the BS continues

How the West reacts to Putin’s election victory

GF1_EnTmcc0

Published on 19 Mar 2018
Almost all the ballots have now been counted in Russia's presidential election:
Vladimir Putin is winning by a large margin. The election comes amid increased
tensions with the West - and the official reaction to Putin's victory has been
muted so far. But the media have already made their point clear - our Berlin
correspondent Peter Oliver joins us with the reaction from Europe.
Check out http://rt.com

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CrossTalk Bullhorns: Putin’s win (Extended version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH2ul-5qjRE

Published on 19 Mar 2018
Winning his fourth and most probably last term as Russia’s president, Vladimir
Putin has six more years to fashion his legacy. How has Putin changed Russia? How
will he continue to change it?
CrossTalking with Mark Sleboda, Dmitry Babich, and Victor Olevich.
Check out http://rt.com

uzn

20th March 2018, 07:30

Another good one:
The Maidan sniperkillings in Kiew 2014.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/80913000/jpg/_80913659_injured_reuters.jpg

Indications and witnesses pointing to a western sniper operation are largely ignored in the western media coverage.

What happened:

The sniper murders at the Kiev Maidan protests in early 2014 were a global political "game changer". They enabled the swift transfer of power to a pro-Western government, which in turn triggered the Ukraine crisis, including the Russian Crimea and a new Cold War between Washington and Moscow. Since then, there has again been talk of an "east flank" of NATO, just as if a major war with Russia was in the realm of the thinkable.
The common view of the conflict is based on the assumption that a self-determined revolution had taken place in Ukraine during which the citizens had successfully overthrown an overriding, violent ruler. In essence, this view is based on the thesis that snipers who massacred more than 50 people on the morning of 20 February 2014 somehow connected with this ruler (Yanukovich), if not with Moscow (Putin).

"Inappropriate" confessions
Only at the end of 2017 on Italian television several Georgians with the confession of their participation in the sniper murders went public and claimed, incited to the murders by a Ukrainian opposition politician, and specifically have been commanded on the ground by an American - ex-sniper of a US elite unit.

Supervised by an American: Who is killing civilians on foreign soil?
French, German, British and American Media won´t report on that.

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Koba Nergadze, Kvarateskelia Zalogy, and Alexander Revazishvilli have confessed to have been part of the sniperoperation.

The italian Interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZESNWGRNQMs

Cara

20th March 2018, 09:00

More on the Skripal story from Moon of Alabama. In my opinion the series of articles on this blog about the Skripal case are excellent, thorough reporting. Links to the other articles are towards the end.

I’ve included the whole article as it is a good summary.

"No Patients Have Experienced Symptoms Of Nerve Agent Poisoning In Salisbury"
March 19, 2018

There have been some interesting developments in the alleged poisoning case of the British-Russian double-agent Sergej Skripal and his daughter Yulia.

The British governments standing on the issue is getting worse as more inconsistencies and doubts on its statements come to light. The international support for its claims is weakening.

On March 4 the Skripals collapsed on a public bench in Salisbury in England after they had visited a pub and a restaurant. They were brought to the local hospital. A local policemen was probably also affected. (See our previous posts, liked at the end, for many additional details.) A week later, on March 12, the British government said that a nerve agent was the cause of the incident and accused Russia (https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2018-03-14/debates/071C37BB-DF8F-4836-88CA-66AB74369BC1/SalisburyIncidentFurtherUpdate#debate-413040) of being responsible for the act:

Mr Skripal and his daughter were poisoned with Novichok—a military-grade nerve agent developed by Russia. Based on this capability, combined with Russia’s record of conducting state-sponsored assassinations—including against former intelligence officers whom it regards as legitimate targets—the UK Government concluded it was highly likely that Russia was responsible for this reckless and despicable act.

Novichok is not a nerve agent but supposedly a group of chemical substances investigated in the Soviet Union for their nerve agent potential. Only recently (http://www.spectroscopynow.com/details/ezine/1591ca249b2/Iranian-chemists-identify-Russian-chemical-warfare-agents.html?tzcheck=1,1,1,1,1&&tzcheck=1&tzcheck=1) have some of these substances been synthesized.

Former ambassador Craig Murray reported (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/of-a-type-developed-by-liars/) that the formulation "... a military-grade nerve agent, of a type developed by Russia, ..." was a compromise negotiated between the British government and its chemical weapon specialists in its Porton Down laboratory. Note that the statement does not implicate at all that Russia is involved in the current case.

The British government demanded a Russian response within 24 hours without presenting any evidence of Russian involvement. Russia rightly pointed out that such a demand is in breach of the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC) procedures as supervised by the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) and rejected it.

The U.S, Britain, France and Germany issued a common supporting statement which repeated (https://www.vox.com/2018/3/15/17124062/usa-russia-uk-france-germany-statement-full-text) the British formulation:

This use of a military-grade nerve agent, of a type developed by Russia, constitutes the first offensive use of a nerve agent in Europe since the Second World War.
...
We share the United Kingdom’s assessment that there is no plausible alternative explanation, and note that Russia’s failure to address the legitimate request by the government of the United Kingdom further underlines Russia’s responsibility. We call on Russia to address all questions related to the attack in Salisbury.

Since then many questions (http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/theresa-mays-novichok-claims-fall-apart.html) and doubts (http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/governments-decree-truth-about-skripal-dissenters-will-be-punished.html) about the British government's Noviochok drama have been raised. Bit by bit the case is falling apart.

Consider for example this picture which shows Mr. Skripal and his daughter Yulia presumably in the pub or the restaurant they visited before they collapsed. Who is the third person, visible in the mirror between them, who took the picture?

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Via Maxim A. Suchkov (https://twitter.com/MSuchkov_ALM/status/975069733904109568) and Дмитрий Стешин (https://twitter.com/D_Steshin/status/974540642268295168) - bigger (http://www.moonofalabama.org/images6/skripalspub.jpg)

Is this third person the MI6 agent Pablo Miller (http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/spy-posions-spy-and-the-anti-trump-campaign.html) who in 1995 (https://meduza.io/en/feature/2018/03/06/a-hundred-grand-and-hundreds-of-betrayed-agents) recruited Skripal as British double agent. Miller who was also involved in handling (https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/skripal-russian-web-or-rusi-web) the MI6 assets Boris Berezovski and Alexander Litvinenko. Pablo Miller who lives close (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/07/poisoned-russian-spy-sergei-skripal-close-consultant-linked/) to Sergej Skripal in Salisbury and is considered to be his friend? The same Pablo Miller who worked (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/07/poisoned-russian-spy-sergei-skripal-close-consultant-linked/) with former MI6 agent Christopher Steele's Orbis Business Intelligence which created the 'dirty dossier' about Donald Trump? How deep were the Skripals involved in making up the fake stories in the anti-Trump dossier for which the Clinton campaign paid more than $168,000 dollars. Did the Skripals threaten to talk about the issue? Is that why the incident happened?

So far no information about the third person which took the above picture has come to light.

On March 16 the British government was still pleased with the success of the drama it constructed from a movie script (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strike_Back_(TV_series)) (video (http://www.moonofalabama.org/images6/NovichockTV.mp4)) around the Skripal incident.

The headline and intro of the BBC story are telling: Russian spy: UK government response going to plan so far (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-43431636)

Among senior ministers and officials, there's quiet satisfaction that the Russia crisis seems to be going according to plan. Maybe even better.

According to one senior government source, "it's gone at least as well as we'd hoped".

That may end soon.

The London Times reported on March 14th that 40 people in Salisbury needed treatment because of poisoning. A reader's letter to the paper written by "Steven Davies - Consultant in emergency medicine, Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust" disputes that report. (The NHS database lists (https://www.nhs.uk/profiles/consultant/4122151) Davies, GMC membership number 4122151, as specialist in accident and emergency services at the Salisbury District Hospital.) The letter seems to say that none of the hospital's patients were effected by "nerve agents" at all:

Sir, Further to your report "Poison exposure leaves almost 40 needing treatment", Mar 14), may I clarify that no patients have experienced symptoms of nerve agent poisoning in Salisbury and there have only been ever been three patients with significant poisoning.

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bigger (http://www.moonofalabama.org/images6/salisburytimesletter.jpg)

The wording of the letter is not 100% clear. Does the "no patients" refer to only the 40 the Times mentioned or to all patents including the Skripals? Are the three patients with "significant poisoning" the Skripals and the affected policeman? Commentator Noirette had suggested here that the Skripal case was about food poisoning or a food allergy, not nerve agents. The Skripals had visited a fish restaurant one hour before they were found. The letter points into a similar direction. Food poisoning would also explain why a doctor who gave emergency help to the unconscious Yulia Skripal for over 30 minutes was not effected at all (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43326734).

I have yet to see a follow up on the letter by any media. Why is there no interview with the doctor? All medical personal involved are astonishingly silent. Since day one there has been no medical update on the health status of the Skripals. Has the government issued a gag order in from of a DA-Notice (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSMA-Notice) which prohibits reporting? Why? By writing the above letter Steven Davies, the Salisbury emergency consultant, probably circumvented it. (Several British media ignored (https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/mg74w3/uk-asks-journalists-to-not-name-ex-agent-allegedly-behind-trump-report-d-notice) a 2017 DA-notice prohibiting the reporting of Christopher Steele's name.)

The UK has since folded on its unilateral demand outside of the OPCW procedures. It has now, as Russia demanded, involved the OPCW and OPCW specialist are expected to visit the British chemical weapon laboratory in Porton Down, which is near Salisbury, to investigate the case.

But the British Foreign office also raised (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/investigators-from-chemical-weapons-watchdog-to-arrive-in-uk) a new accusation against Russia:

The Foreign Secretary revealed this morning that we have information indicating that within the last decade, Russia has investigated ways of delivering nerve agents likely for assassination. And part of this programme has involved producing and stockpiling quantities of Novichok. This is a violation of the Chemical Weapons Convention.

The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson used a less hedged wording (https://uk.news.yahoo.com/britain-accuses-russia-secretly-stockpiling-deadly-nerve-agent-110002204.html):

"We actually have evidence within the last 10 years that Russia has not only been investigating the delivery of nerve agents for the purposes of assassination, but has also been creating and stockpiling Novichok," Johnson told the BBC.

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British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson - bigger (http://www.moonofalabama.org/images6/borisjohnson.jpg)

Craig Murray took the Johnson statement apart (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/boris-johnson-issues-completely-new-story-on-russian-novichoks/). If the UK really had or has such information why did it not, as the CWC demands, inform the OPCW of Russia's potential breach of its obligations? Why is this coming out only now?

The British allies seem to be unimpressed by Boris Johnson's show.

Today the German Foreign Minister tracked back (https://euobserver.com/foreign/141362) from the common position issued last week:

Heiko Maas, the German foreign minister, has described Russia as a "difficult partner", but said the UK poisoning was a "bilateral" issue, indicating that Britain can count on little support from the EU.

Maas spoke ahead of a meeting of EU foreign ministers in Brussels on Monday (19 March)

A common statement after the EU foreign ministers meeting did not blame Russia (http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2018/03/19/statement-by-the-foreign-affairs-council-on-the-salisbury-attack/). It repeated the carefully negotiated wording of the original British accusation but did not endorse the British position:

The European Union takes extremely seriously the UK Government's assessment that it is highly likely that the Russian Federation is responsible.

The European Union is shocked at the offensive use of any military-grade nerve agent, of a type developed by Russia, for the first time on European soil in over 70 years.
...
The EU welcomes the commitment of the UK to work closely with the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) in supporting the investigation into the attack.

The statement is false in that nerve agents have actually been used on European soil over the last 70 years. During the Cold War Britain tested various types of chemical and biological weapons, including nerve agents, on its own population (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/how-the-british-government-subjected-thousands-of-people-to-chemical-and-biological-warfare-trials-10376411.html) as well as in its colonies and in other countries. Why should we exclude an even more recent use?

The Skripal poisoning case stinks. The British government is obviously not telling the truth about it. It uses the script of a recent spy drama to allege a 'Novichok' attack to implicate Russia and to raise anti-Russian sentiment. Information about the case is evidently held back. The media is mostly complicit.

Foreign countries have noticed that the story stinks and are tracking back on their support.

The people and the British opposition should urgently demand more and better answer from May's failing government.

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Previous Moon of Alabama reports on the Skripal case:

March 8 - Poisoned British-Russian Double-Agent Has Links To Clinton Campaign (http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/spy-posions-spy-and-the-anti-trump-campaign.html)
March 12 - Theresa May's "45 Minutes" Moment (http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/theresa-mays-45-minutes-claim.html)
March 14 - Are 'Novichok' Poisons Real? - May's Claims Fall Apart (http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/theresa-mays-novichok-claims-fall-apart.html)
March 16 - The British Government's 'Novichok' Drama Was Written By Whom? (http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/governments-decree-truth-about-skripal-dissenters-will-be-punished.html)

Posted by b on March 19, 2018 at 04:11 PM | Permalink (http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/no-patients-have-experienced-symptoms-of-nerve-agent-poisoning-in-salisbury.html)

Cara

20th March 2018, 09:40

This story in the Morning Star (a publication I have not seen before) does some unmasking of some of the figures who might be pulling strings here:

The media has not considered how Russophobia is benefitting big business
Kenny CoyleMonday, March 19, 2018Sunday 18th Mar 2018

THE attack on Sergei and Yulia Skripal in Salisbury seems to take a new twist daily as empty speculation and disinformation saturate the major media outlets without even so much as a WMD “dodgy dossier” to go on.

... the British media has, for the most part, wallowed in guesswork, served up a steady stream of suspiciously contradictory non-attributable “leaks” and displayed a stubborn refusal to consider possible third-party beneficiaries of this growing tension between Britain and Russia.

Russian policies in Ukraine and Crimea, as well as its stance in defence of Syria, have not made it many friends in the West, nor in Riyadh, Ankara, Tel Aviv or Kiev.

...

Lately another group has emerged, Doctors Under Fire. Coincidentally, as with the White Helmets, it was co-founded by a former British army officer, Colonel (rtd) Hamish de Bretton-Gordon.

Quoted daily by multiple media outlets on the Skripal case, de Bretton-Gordon has become a very public expert, relied upon for unbiased comment and analysis by the British and foreign media on chemical weapon threats from Salisbury to Syria.

He is a former assistant director of Intelligence Surveillance and Reconnaissance Land Forces with the Ministry of Defence. Before that de Bretton-Gordon was commanding officer of Britain’s Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear (CBRN) Regiment and Nato’s Rapid Reaction CBRN Battalion.

While his CBRN background is often mentioned, his military intelligence links are rarely referred to publicly.

Long before the Salisbury event, de Bretton-Gordon was urging greater government expenditure on chemical protection counter-measures and equipment. He has used his columns in The Guardian, Daily Telegraph, as well as TV appearances to repeat this message.

He was quoted in the Morning Star on March 15 in the news story Tories to fork out £48m for new defence centre (https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/tories-to-fork-out-%C2%A348m-for-new-defence-centre).

While his Guardian online biography selectively mentions his military record and work on Syria, it overlooks his day job — de Bretton-Gordon is managing director CBRN of Avon Protection Systems, based in Melksham, Wiltshire.

The company website states: “We have been supplying respirators to the UK Ministry of Defence and other Nato allies since the 1920s and we are the primary supplier of CBRN respiratory equipment to all United States Department of Defence Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force and Special Operations Forces.”

So Colonel de Bretton-Gordon, among other things, sells gas masks. In fact, it’s likely you’ve seen his company’s products on TV worn by military or police personnel at high-profile incidents such as the one in Salisbury.

Last month, Avon Rubber, Avon Protection’s parent company, announced a five-year £16m contract to supply the Ministry of Defence with general service respirators.

In November, Avon Rubber announced it was a recognised bidder in a 10-year $8bn US Defence Department programme on CBRN equipment.

In January, it announced the completion of a multimillion-dollar order from the US Department of Defence after revealing last May that it had won a contract to supply 37,000 of its FM50 masks to “an unnamed customer.”

In 2017, the company made £50m from its US military contracts and a further £63.3m from other “protection and defence” revenue.

Commenting on the results, Fiona Cincotta, senior market analyst at City Index, noted: “Fatal acts of terrorism in the US and Europe have buoyed demand for gas masks that shows little signs of waning any time soon” (Terror acts ‘drive up’ orders at Avon Rubber, RubberNews.com (http://www.rubbernews.com/article/20171120/NEWS/171119946/terror-acts-drive-up-orders-at-avon-rubber) — November 20 2017).

You don’t need to be a market analyst to predict that 2018 is likely to be a stellar year for the company.

Of course, de Bretton-Gordon is under no legal or ethical obligation to reveal his business affiliations during his media appearances, but shouldn’t the corporate media alert its readers and viewers to this obvious commercial interest?

After his military intelligence service ended and before he joined Avon, de Bretton-Gordon was a director of SecureBio Ltd, a company officially registered in the Northwest of England.

However, de Bretton-Gordon’s social media accounts place SecureBio’s location during this time as Porton Down in Wiltshire, home to the Ministry of Defence’s Defence Science and Technology Laboratory (Dstl).

According to the website of Military Speakers, “a specialist agency for keynote, motivation and after dinner speakers for corporate, industry and public sector events ... Hamish advises UK government at the very highest level on CBRN and frequently appears on the BBC, Sky News, AJE and CBS News as their expert commentator on Syria chemical weapons and all things CBRN.”

A veteran of war-torn Kosovo, Iraq and Afghanistan, he conducted, we are told, “highly secret operations some of which are now declassified.”

We are also told that he has travelled often to Syria and “has reported with the BBC on some of the very high profile chemical attacks. He has also worked with US networks and British newspapers to smuggle chemical samples out of Syria for verification in UK and France.”

The British newspaper was the Daily Telegraph. On April 29 2014, the paper reported that it “obtained soil samples collected from sites of chemical attacks inside Syria by Dr Ahmad — a medic whose real identity cannot be revealed for his own protection — who had previously received training in sample collection by western chemical weapons experts.

“Mr de Bretton-Gordon, a British chemical weapons expert and director of Secure Bio, a private company, was one of the trainers.”

And who carried out the tests? None other than de Bretton-Gordon himself.

In a previous piece for the paper, Syrian activists and doctors being trained to combat chemical attacks (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10374723/Syrian-activists-and-doctors-being-trained-to-combat-chemical-attacks.html) October 12 2013, de Bretton-Gordon wrote about his training programmes in Turkey, which were attended by senior leaders and activists of the Syrian National Council, the political wing of the Free Syrian Army.

This came at critical juncture in the war when every attempt was being made to use allegations of chemical weapon attacks, vehemently denied by the Syrian government, to promote overt Western military intervention.

Colonel de Bretton-Gordon was active on both sides of the Atlantic to further this aim. According to Homeland Security Today (May 22 2015), “In mid-April, he collected and analysed samples from the chlorine attack in Sarmin, Syria, which was presented to the UN Security Council by US Ambassador Samantha Powell (sic) [Power].”

In his many opinion pieces, this military intelligence veteran repeatedly called for the removal of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and the imposition of no-fly zones by the RAF and the US air force, the key foreign policy demands of the Nato hawks.

The current anti-Russia hysteria is not simply directed against Russian President Vladimir Putin but also against the current Labour leader, whose refusal to meekly line up behind the Tories has appalled Establishment diehards, including right-wing Labour MPs.

It’s a concern de Bretton-Gordon shares, as he outlined in yet another Telegraph opinion piece on May 31 2017, just a week before the general election, entitled Jeremy Corbyn in Downing Street would be a gift to Britain's enemies (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/31/jeremy-corbyn-downing-street-would-gift-britains-enemies/).

Whatever truth eventually emerges from the Skripal attacks, there is no need for complex conspiracy theories to see how the incident is manipulated in the media to promote the interests, both commercial and political, of Britain’s very own military-industrial complex.

The mask has slipped.

Wow!

Cidersomerset

20th March 2018, 10:51

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Spy poisoning: Corbyn says UK must still do business with Putin

17 minutes ago..20/3/18

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has said the UK must still deal with
Russia despite "all fingers" pointing to it over the Salisbury spy attack.

He said he would "do business" with Vladimir Putin but assertively
and on the basis of the UK's values.Shadow chancellor John McDonnell
says he believes Mr Putin was responsible.

But Mr Corbyn said he wanted "an absolutely definitive answer" about
the source of the nerve agent used in the attempted murder before
blaming Moscow.In a wide-ranging interview with Radio 4's World at
One, Mr Corbyn said if he won power, he would challenge the newly
re-elected president on human rights and the whole basis of the
UK's relationship with Moscow.

read more...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43463161

Cidersomerset

20th March 2018, 13:50

Former ambassador makes some basic observations...

Murray: "Why would Russia 'blow' Novichok program by
assassinating an old bloke?"

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Published on 19 Mar 2018
"If Russia had a decade-long program on Novichok, why would they
blow it by assassinating an old retired bloke?" says former British
ambassador Craig Murray who reveals that British government
pressured scientists over nerve agent origin.

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Spy poisoning: Russian diplomats prepare to leave UK
52 minutes ago...20/3/18

Russian diplomats and their families are preparing to leave the UK after being
expelled over the Salisbury spy attack.Removal vans and diplomatic cars have been
leaving the embassy in London.The UK expelled 23 diplomats after Prime Minister
Theresa May said Russia was "culpable" for the poisoning of Sergei Skripal and his
daughter.Later on Tuesday, the government will decide whether to impose further
sanctions on Russia.Mrs May is chairing a meeting of the National Security Council.

read more..http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43470069

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23 expelled Russian diplomats leave Britain over Skripal case

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ivkx7TCpRY

Published on 20 Mar 2018
23 Russian diplomats expelled by London, have now left the UK - on a plane bound
for Moscow. Polly Boiko reports from London, on the latest in the stand-off between
Russia and Great Britain

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Hervé

20th March 2018, 17:23

Evidence before accusations: Austria asks for full-fledged Skripal investigation before casting blame (https://www.rt.com/news/421728-austria-fm-opcw-russia-skripal/)

RT (https://www.rt.com/news/421728-austria-fm-opcw-russia-skripal/)
Tue, 20 Mar 2018 14:51 UTC

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Police officers get dressed in protective suiting at a car recovery depot in Norton Enterprise Park, where Sergei Skripal's car was originally transported, in Salisbury, Britain, March 13, 2018. © Henry Nicholls / Reuters

It's premature to pin the blame in the Skripal poisoning case without first conducting a proper investigation, Austria's foreign minister has said. The UK has already picked Russia as a boogey man in the incident.

Speaking in Brussels on Monday, Karin Kneissl said that she viewed the poisoning of former double-agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter in Salisbury, England, as "abhorrent." However, unlike its British counterparts, Austria wants to have the full picture before casting blame on someone specifically.

"Our position is: First there is the need to establish a full picture of events in joint cooperation with the Chemical agency [Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW)] and all those involved" the foreign minister said.
Kneissl's cautionary remarks come less than a week after a French government spokesperson said it was too early to discuss retaliatory measures against Russia, as its involvement in the case has yet to be established.

"We don't do fantasy politics. Once the elements are proven, then the time will come for decisions to be made," the spokesperson told a press conference shortly after British Prime Minister Theresa May announced she would be expelling 23 Russian diplomats over the poisoning.

The French government's position on the matter quickly took a U-turn, however, with the Elysee Palace releasing a follow-up statement declaring Russia's culpability in the attack. "France shares Britain's assessment that there is no other plausible explanation and reiterates its solidarity with his ally," the statement said.

On Monday, the EU's Foreign Affairs Council released a statement (http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2018/03/19/statement-by-the-foreign-affairs-council-on-the-salisbury-attack/) hailing the UK's "commitment" to work closely with the OPCW, and calling on Russia to "provide immediate, full and complete disclosure of its Novichok program" to the organization.

Novichok is a Soviet-era nerve agent allegedly used in the March 4 incident. The UK has so far failed to send a formal inquiry to Moscow about the case, although Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson said that London will soon provide the OPCW with samples of the nerve agent used in the case. Johnson had earlier accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of personally ordering the attack.

Moscow has countered that view.

"The fact, that they [UK officials] categorically reject to file an official request and deliberately and arrogantly fan anti-Russian rhetoric in the public sphere bordering on hysteria, indicates that they clearly understand they have no formal pretext to go down a legal road," Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said on Friday.
On Monday, Johnson doubled down on his inflammatory rhetoric, describing Russian denials of responsibility in the nerve agent attack as "increasingly absurd."

Related:
Nerve gas in Skripal case 'could have easily been cooked by Brits' - chemical weapon developer (https://www.sott.net/article/380506-Nerve-gas-in-Skripal-case-could-have-easily-been-cooked-by-Brits-chemical-weapon-developer)

Franny

21st March 2018, 02:30

From The Saker: One Russian's point of view. I enjoy reading at The Saker, the articles are not what you find on MSM or even Western Alt-Media. It's usually more reasoned and without the often seen hysteria and name calling we are getting so tired of.

Russia is fighting a lethal enemy
March 20, 2018 52
by Petr Akopov for Vzgliad

translated by Edvin Buday

London’s boorish behaviour has resulted in a fiery reaction within Russia – from indignation to jokes about “Little Britain”. Sadly, such derision is not the best possible answer. For we are dealing with a threat that is far from comical, and the entire history of relations between Russia and Britain is proof of that.

Great Britain’s behaviour in the Skripal affair is openly provocative: accusations against Russia, a recommendation to “put a sock in it”, declarations about Putin’s personal involvement. All of this, of course, is causing indignation in Russia.

But if it is possible to understand our civil society’s indignation, deriding Britain and her elites is totally incorrect. Discourse about “Little Britain”, about how “Lil’ England” has lost its influence and is slandering Russia in an impotent rage look strange. All of this is not even suitable as banal retaliatory propaganda, seeing as it is a distortion of reality.

It is in our interest to be honest. For several years now, we have been in open conflict with the global elite, with those who have a defining influence on world affairs. It is precisely this force that is now speaking through the mouths of May and Johnson. That we are calling it “Lil’ England” is a tradition of ours from the 19th century, when we found its position. In reality, it is that same international class of money and power, an elite that has once again seriously began to work on Russia. Not because of Crimea and Skripal, but as a result of our seriously blocking their path.

This is the path of globalisation a la Anglo-Saxon, i.e. the creation of a single humanity, ruled from the Western centre. “Western” is in this case a synonym for Atlantic, Anglo-Saxon. This project has been practically openly realised for the past hundred years. Through the gradual consolidation of companies and capital, through the convergence of civilisations and cultures, through their mixing and cross-pollination. Through the creation of unified global institutions of the financial, managerial, supervisory etc. type, through the formation of a new system of morals and philosophy of transhumanism. Humanity is being led to its “golden age” in which there will be no states, no nations, no sexes. Those who are against are retrogrades and conservatives, the enemies of progress and humanity. The fact that this is not yet being declared in official declarations does not mean anything; it is just a matter of time. In the meantime, Russia is being accused of totalitarianism and terrorism “like in the olden days” – this is simpler and more familiar.

Finish at: Russia is Fighting a Lethal Enemy (http://thesaker.is/russia-is-fighting-a-lethal-enemy/)

Cidersomerset

21st March 2018, 16:58

There is still anti Putin hysteria from the mainstream politicians and media
and it seems odd . I can understand the hype with the current anti
Russian/Trump and even Brexit to a degree and I heard on the radio earlier
that they wanted to extend the leave period for security reasons.

I wonder if this is to do with EU talks as I referred to earlier , to create a fear
atmosphere so as to get the stalled talks going in the UK's favour.Just a few weeks
ago Donald Tusk said UK Brexit plans 'pure illusion'. Suddenly after this attack a
breakthrough occurred . Tusk is Polish a traditional enemy of Russia and is in the
front line if there is a major conflict in the Ukraine.

What if in private talks the UK made it clear if you want us to come to your aid via
NATO it might be in your interest to back us now.....Coincidence ? or a by product
of a bigger agenda ? Obviously it would not be done so blatantly but whatever the
attack makes no sense from a Russian point of view as discussed in the meeting in
the vid below....But the longer the UK can keep this fear going the better the Brexit
talks are going it seems. Though Nigel Farage is not happy with the transition
extension https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1gjdxnl_KM

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Donald Tusk: UK Brexit plans 'pure illusion'

23 February 2018
The UK's approach to the next stage of Brexit negotiations seems to be based
on "pure illusion", Donald Tusk says.The European Council president told a news
conference in Brussels that the UK was still trying to "cherry pick" its future
relationship with the EU.Mr Tusk said he could only go on media reports of Brexit
talks at the PM's country retreat Chequers on Thursday.Theresa May is set to
deliver a key speech setting out British ambitions on Friday of next week.

read more..http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43175201

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Putin 'will use World Cup like Hitler's Olympics', agrees Johnson
31 minutes ago..21/3/18
The foreign secretary has agreed that President Putin is using the World Cup in
Russia as a "PR exercise" akin to how Hitler used the 1936 Olympics.Labour MP Ian
Austin put it to Boris Johnson that the Russian president wanted to "gloss over
[his] brutal corrupt regime".

Mr Johnson replied: "I'm afraid that's completely right, completely right." He added
that he would have an "urgent conversation" with Russia about the safety of fans at
the tournament.The foreign secretary said it was of "crucial importance" in light of
23 British diplomats being expelled from Russia - including the individual
responsible for football fans. The exchange came as the Foreign Affairs Select
Committee discussed the Salisbury spy attack.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43487948

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Russian MFA summons all ambassadors to a meeting on Skripal case

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKyR0KZn2Xc
Streamed live 5 hours ago...21/3/18
Vladimir Yermakov, the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry department of arms
non-proliferation and control, is speaking at a meeting with foreign ambassadors.
The diplomats were summoned for a meeting to discuss the latest developments
on the poisoning case of former Russian double agent Sergei Skripal and his
daughter Yulia.

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Skripals poisoning is terrorist attack on Russian citizens – Moscow

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Published on 21 Mar 2018
The attack on Sergei Skripal and his daughter is an act of terrorism against Russian
citizens, the Russian Foreign Ministry says, noting that the UK does not share any
evidence with Moscow while demanding explanations.

Cara

22nd March 2018, 10:37

I agree the timing is odd and the hysteria has an odd tone to it. Maybe we’ve wised up to the propaganda spin enough that this just seems so transparent to us? Maybe for those still under the spell it has a different effect?

Here is a “perfidious Albion” explanation from LaRouche:

Perfidious Albion: The Fatally Wounded British Beast Lashes Out
Skripal Poisoning a Desperate British Attempt to Resurrect Their American Coup

by Barbara Boyd, barbara@lpac-organizers.com

This statement explores the strategic significance of major events in the world starting in February of 2018. Our goal is to precisely situate Theresa May’s March 12–14 mad effort to manufacture a new “weapons of mass destruction” hoax using the same people (the MI6 intelligence grouping around Sir Richard Dearlove) and script (an intelligence fraud concerning weapons of mass destruction) which were used to draw the United States into the disastrous Iraq War. The Skripal poisoning fraud also directly involves British agent Christopher Steele, the central figure in the ongoing coup against Donald Trump. This time the British information warfare operation is aimed at directly provoking Russia while maintaining their targeting of the U.S. population and President Trump.

As the fevered war-like media coverage and hysteria surrounding the case makes clear, a certain section of the British elite seems prepared to risk everything on behalf of their dying imperial system. Despite the hype, economic warfare and sanctions appear to be the British weapons of choice. Putin, as we shall see, recently called the West’s nuclear bluff. With their Russiagate coup against Donald Trump fizzling, exposing British agent Christopher Steele and a slew of his American friends to criminal prosecution, a new tool was desperately needed to back the President of the United States into the British geopolitical corner shared by most of the American establishment. The tool is an intelligence hoax, a tried and true British product.

According to the British spy tale, a former Russian military intelligence colonel, Sergei Skripal who spied for Great Britain in Russia from the early 1990s until 2004 was poisoned, along with his daughter, on March 4 in Salisbury, England, using a nerve agent “of a type developed by the former Soviet Union.” In 2010, Skripal had been exchanged in a spy swap between the United States and Russia. He had served six years in a Russian prison for spying for Britain. He had been living in the open in Britain for the last eight years. Skripal’s MI6 recruiter and handler, Pablo Miller, listed himself as a consultant to Orbis Business Intelligence, Christopher Steele’s British company, on his LinkedIn profile. When the Telegraph called attention to the Orbis reference, it was removed from the LinkedIn profile. Steele, who worked on the Trump dossier through his company Orbis, has denied that Miller worked directly on the Trump dossier.

Theresa May and her foreign minister Boris Johnson insist there is only one person who could be responsible for the poisoning, described as an act of war, and that is Vladimir Putin. No evidence has been offered to support this claim. In fact, there is a substantial doubt whether the putative nerve agent, Novichok, even exists. No plausible motive has been provided as to why Putin would order such a provocative murder now, ahead of the World Cup, when the Russiagate coup against him in the United States has lost all momentum. Rather than following the protocols of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, which require that evidence of the alleged agent be presented to Russia, the eccentric and unpopular May instead delivered an ultimatum to Russia and whipped up war fever throughout the UK. She now seeks to pull Donald Trump and NATO into ever more aggressive moves against Russia.

Thus, just like Christopher Steele’s dirty dossier against Donald Trump, the British claims against Putin are an evidence-free exercise of raw power. The Anglo- American establishment instructed us, with respect to Steele: “trust him, ignore the stinky factless content presented in this dossier, just note that he is backed by very important intelligence agencies who could cook your goose if you object.” The same can be said for Teresa May’s crazed assertions now.

A short statement of the reasons why the British are now staging the Skripal provocation can be found in a March 14 London Sunday Telegraph call to arms by Allister Heath, who rants: “We need a new world order to take on totalitarian capitalists in Russia and China… Such an alliance … would dramatically shift the global balance of power, and allow the liberal democracies finally to fight back. It would endow the world with the sorts of robust institutions that are required to contain Russia and China… Britain needs a new role in the world; building such a network would be our perfect mission.” Across the pond, as they say, a similar foundational statement was made by 68 former Obama Administration officials who have formed a group called National Security Action, aimed at securing Trump’s impeachment and attacking Russia and China.

... neo-liberal economies continue to see their productive potentials sucked dry by the massive mound of debt they have created since the 2008 financial collapse. This debt is now on a hair trigger for implosion. It is estimated by banking insiders that the City of London is sitting on a derivatives powderkeg of $700 trillion with over-the-counter derivatives accounting for another $570 trillion. The City of London will bear the major impact of the derivatives collapse.

...
On top of that, President Putin delivered a mammoth strategic shock on March 1, showing new Russian weapons systems based on new physical principles which render present U.S. ABM systems and much of current U.S. war-fighting doctrine obsolete, together with the vaunted first strike capacity with which NATO has surrounded Russia. Not only is the West sitting on a new financial collapse; its vaunted military superiority has just been flanked.

....

Continues with a long review of the broader geopolitical situation and the factional “war” in the USA. Very good review of all the pieces (if one sets aside the LaRouche politicking).
Here: https://larouchepac.com/20180318/perfidious-albion-fatally-wounded-british-beast-lashes-out

Cidersomerset

22nd March 2018, 18:17

The Russian Ambassador: Russia was blamed for the poisoning "without any
evidence" - BBC News

First 10 mins of press conference...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sx2ErCqeBE
Published on 22 Mar 2018
The Russian Ambassador to Britain, Alexander Yakovenko gives a press
conference on current affair.The Russian Ambassador to the UK, Alexander
Yakovenko, said Britain had blamed Russia for the poisoning "without any
evidence" and his country "cannot accept that".

He also called comments by Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson on Wednesday
that likened the public relations gains to President Putin from this summer's
Football World Cup in Russia to Adolf Hitler's use of the 1936 Berlin Olympics
"totally irresponsible". "Nobody has the right to insult the Russian people,
who defeated Nazism and lost more than 25 million people, by comparing
our country to Nazi Germany," said Mr Yakovenko.

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Full Conference....
Russian Ambassador to UK speaks in London following diplomats’ expulsion
RT UK

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Streamed live 6 hours ago..22/3/18
LIVE: Russian Ambassador to the United Kingdom Alexander Yakovenko holds a
press conference in London after the expulsion of 23 Russian diplomats from the
country over the Sergei Skripal poisoning case.

Cidersomerset

22nd March 2018, 22:30

Unless the UK has some real intelligence & proof this stinks,
The only level it makes sense is either the Deepstate globalist
are putting pressure on Trump via the UK as they are all part
of NWO behind the scenes. Or they are using it to get the EU in
a panic to get a better EU deal. Both seems more plausible
than Russia doing this officially. There could be other possible
reasons but the over the top reaction by PM May , politicians
and mainstream media is suspicious ......

May: Russian threat does not respect borders
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y9lNctb668
Published on 22 Mar 2018
"The Russian threat does not respect borders"
Theresa May slams Russia as she arrives at an EU Summit in Brussels.

Tusk again Uhm....

EU leaders agree with the UK government that it is "highly likely"
Russia is responsible for the nerve agent attack in the UK, Donald
Tusk has said.

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'Highly likely' Russia behind attack - EU leaders

5 minutes ago....22/3/18

EU leaders agree with the UK government that it is "highly likely"
Russia is responsible for the nerve agent attack in the UK, Donald
Tusk has said.

The European Council president tweeted they agreed "there is
no other plausible explanation".

PM Theresa May had said the Salisbury poisoning was "part of
a pattern of Russian aggression against Europe".

Moscow denies responsibility for the attack on former spy Sergei
Skripal and his daughter on 4 March.

But Mr Tusk tweeted that the European Council of EU leaders
"agrees with the UK government that highly likely Russia is responsible".

BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg said the prime minister
had "succeeded in getting them to toughen up" their language
on the attack from earlier in

Read more....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43489457

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'Scary he represents a nuclear power' - Russia on Johnson comments

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgOi9Os7ReM

Published on 22 Mar 2018
"From a Russian point of view it is ridiculous" says Patrick Henningsen
as Moscow responds to Boris Johnson agreeing with a MP that World
Cup would be to Putin like Hitler's 1936 Olympics.

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Russian spy poisoning: Policeman discharged after Salisbury attack

26 minutes ago...22/3/18

A police officer who fell ill after being exposed to the nerve agent used on a Russian
ex-spy and his daughter has been discharged from hospital.Det Sgt Nick Bailey was
left seriously ill after responding to the attack on Sergei Skripal, 66, and Yulia
Skripal, 33, in Salisbury earlier this month.The pair remain in a critical but stable
condition in hospital.Det Sgt Bailey said that "normal life for me will probably never
be the same" as he also thanked hospital staff.

read more...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43506232

Cara

23rd March 2018, 06:37

Cidersomerset

23rd March 2018, 16:13

Are they trying to “burn” (publicly and noisily) May and Johnson who have become
“inconvenient” in some way whilst at the same time achieve some social engineering goal?
It is all so bizarre.

Yes it seems so controlled and with virtually no mainstream backlash asking
the obvious questions and looking at the bigger agenda. Who benefits from
the fallout ? The Deepstate with its anti Putin agenda and keeping pressure
on Trump from doing something stupid like co operating with Russia. Also
the sudden response from the EU as the fear card makes them more amenable
in the Brexit negotiations. Certainly Putin does not benefit and its seems also
to put pressure on his Middle East and Ukrainian policies somehow ?

May and Johnson could be targets for removal though I would not go there
automatically though some have . Is May looking for her Mrs Thatcher Falklands
moment ? This convenient false flag type event has helped her and as I said
got over a sticking block in Brexit negotiations ... Boris is just a idiot at times....

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So can Theresa May now survive the Brexit course?
John Pienaar
3 hours ago...23/3/18
Listen carefully. The strange sound of rushing air you can hear in the background,
as Britain continues its slow march towards Brexit, is a deep collective sigh of relief.

read morehttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43515330

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Russian spy: UK accused of leading 'anti-Russian campaign'
34 minutes ago23/3/18

https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/1711C/production/_100529449_73dc1872-2f54-4dd5-a277-b8d6e4515ad5.jpg
The PM sought support from her European counterparts in Brussels

Russia has accused the European Union of following an "anti-Russian campaign
launched by London" over the nerve agent attack on a former double agent.
Moscow denies responsibility for the attack on ex-spy Sergei Skripal and his
daughter Yulia in Salisbury on 4 March.

The bench the pair were sitting on when they were found unconscious has
been removed by a team in protective suits, as the investigation continues.

On Thursday, the EU said it was "highly likely" Russia was behind the attack.

The European Council said it stood in "unqualified solidarity" with the UK,
after Prime Minister Theresa May briefed her counterparts on the poisoning.
Ms May welcomed the EU support, saying that it was right "we are standing
together" as the threat posed by Russia "respects no borders and it is a
threat to our values".

read more..http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43518536

amor

24th March 2018, 00:16

My immediate mental picture of who is behind the "blame and hate Russia" move above mentioned, was THAT high-level meeting of the Top Bankers and 13 families plotting World War III in that "City of London" meeting room reported on Project Camelot by a whistle blower who attended the meeting. This same picture came to mind when considering the North Korean leader who, even in the face of the distinct possibility of being blown away by the USA for his threats of atomic use against the West, persists in manufacturing and firing atomic missiles. I thought to myself, "suppose he has been paid to provoke World War III and what should be the opposite side is really working together with him to bring about world genocide which is well at work in the USA on the poor people and in the Middle East. Think of the fact that we have been told that it is Great Britain who trained and deployed Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and others to do the murders they performed on the human race?

Above, the reports of torture-to-the-death experiments on unsuspecting service people worthy of any of Hitler's death camps AND chem trails (geo-engineering) to spread death worldwide from aircraft deployed from USA military camps sufficiently show the Genocidal intent of those in that room. Would it be too great a stretch for the same sources to deploy the nerve gas being manufactured at Pilton Down and then blame Russia for it? It seems to me that the Deadly Spider resides in Britain, and spreading to the USA. Why is there a law permitting experimentation on Americans? Who proposed and passed that law? Why has it not been REMOVED!

Hervé

24th March 2018, 03:00

Why Boris Johnson is Lying in Skripal Case (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/boris-johnson-a-categorical-liar/)

Craig Murray craigmurray.org.uk (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/boris-johnson-a-categorical-liar/)
Thu, 22 Mar 2018 21:27 UTC

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Evidence submitted by the British government in court today proves, beyond any doubt, that Boris Johnson has been point blank lying about the degree of certainty Porton Down scientists have about the Skripals being poisoned with a Russian "novichok" agent.

Yesterday in an interview (http://www.dw.com/en/boris-johnson-russias-position-in-skripal-case-is-increasingly-bizarre/a-43043873) with Deutsche Welle Boris Johnson claimed directly Porton Down had told him they positively identified the nerve agent as Russian:
You argue that the source of this nerve agent, Novichok, is Russia. How did you manage to find it out so quickly? Does Britain possess samples of it?

Let me be clear with you ... When I look at the evidence, I mean the people from Porton Down, the laboratory ...

So they have the samples ...

They do. And they were absolutely categorical and I asked the guy myself, I said, "Are you sure?" And he said there's no doubt. I knew and had published from my own whistleblowers (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/of-a-type-developed-by-liars/) that this is a lie. Until now I could not prove it. But today I can absolutely prove it, due to the judgement at the High Court (https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/sshd-v-skripal-and-another-20180322.pdf) case which gave permission for new blood samples to be taken from the Skripals for use by the OPCW.

Justice Williams included in his judgement a summary of the evidence which tells us, directly for the first time, what Porton Down have actually said:
The Evidence

16. The evidence in support of the application is contained within the applications themselves (in particular the Forms COP 3) and the witness statements.

17. I consider the following to be the relevant parts of the evidence. I shall identify the witnesses only by their role and shall summarise the essential elements of their evidence.

i) CC: Porton Down Chemical and Biological Analyst
Blood samples from Sergei Skripal and Yulia Skripal were analysed and the findings indicated exposure to a nerve agent or related compound. The samples tested positive for the presence of a Novichok class nerve agent OR CLOSELY RELATED AGENT. The emphasis is mine. This sworn Court evidence direct from Porton Down is utterly incompatible with what Boris Johnson has been saying. The truth is that Porton Down have not even positively identified this as a "Novichok", as opposed to "a closely related agent". Even if it were a "Novichok" that would not prove manufacture in Russia (https://www.newscientist.com/article/2164202-exclusive-other-countries-could-have-made-russian-nerve-agent/), and a "closely related agent" could be manufactured by literally scores of state and non-state actors.

This constitutes irrefutable evidence that the government have been straight out lying - to Parliament, to the EU, to NATO, to the United Nations, and above all to the people - about their degree of certainty of the origin of the attack. It might well be an attack originating in Russia, but there are indeed other possibilities and investigation is needed. As the government has sought to whip up jingoistic hysteria in advance of forthcoming local elections, the scale of the lie has daily increased.

On a sombre note, I am very much afraid the High Court evidence seems to indicate there is very little chance the Skripals will ever recover; one of the reasons the judge gave for his decision is that samples taken now will be better for analysis than samples taken post mortem.

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This website remains under a massive DOS attack which has persisted for more than 24 hours now, but so far the defences are holding. Some strange form of "ghost banning" is also affecting both my twitter and Facebook feeds. So please
a) Feel free to repost, republish, translate or spread this article anywhere and anyway you can. All copyright is waived.

b) If you came here by Twitter, please retweet but also in addition create a new tweet yourself containing a link to this post (or to any other site on which you have placed the information)

c) If you came here by Facebook, again please share but also in addition create a new post yourself which contains the information and the link. The state and corporate media now have evidence of the vast discrepancy between what May and Johnson are saying, and the truth about the Porton Down scientists' position. I am afraid to say I expect this to make no difference whatsoever to the propaganda output of the BBC.

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The samples tested positive for the presence of a Novichok class nerve agent OR CLOSELY RELATED AGENT.This is damning for Porton Down because it confirms that Porton Down is in possession of samples they call "Novichok" and since Russia actually never manufactured it; who manufactured the samples Porton Down is in possession of as a testing reference?

Cidersomerset

24th March 2018, 21:25

Russia's UK envoy thanks 1st responder at
‘reckless’ Skripal poisoning, calls for co-operation

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Published on 24 Mar 2018
Russia's Ambassador to the UK has written to the policeman
who was exposed to a nerve agent in the English city of
Salisbury, following the poisoning of Skripal and his daughter.
Alexander Yakovenko commended officer Nick Bailey's bravery,
and wished him a speedy recovery. READ MORE: https://on.rt.com/91st

Cidersomerset

25th March 2018, 13:55

I still feel the globalists are trying to slow down if not reverse Brexit
"incredibly probable" sounds much like " Highly likely" in government lingo..

Its more than the usual 'coincidence theory' demonising Putin while fear mongering
around the world engineering flashpoints or manipulating genuine ones has been
the TPTB's signature through history......

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David Davis says a deal with EU is 'incredibly probable'

1 hour ago...25/3/18

It is "incredibly probable" that the UK will reach a final deal with the EU,
the Brexit secretary says.David Davis defended planning for a stalemate,
saying it was like having home insurance when "you don't expect your
house to burn down".He also hit back at Tory Eurosceptic concerns about
what has been agreed so far.Last week prominent backbencher Jacob
Rees-Mogg accused the government of giving away "almost everything".

read more....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43532478

Cara

25th March 2018, 14:10

I posted this elsewhere (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101747-Geopolitics-Culture-History-....-Things-to-explore-about-the-world&p=1216450&viewfull=1#post1216450) but this timeline of events seems relevant here too:

A truly historical month for the future of our planet

March 2018 will go down in history as a truly historical month

March 1st, Vladimir Putin makes his historical address (http://thesaker.is/the-president-of-russia-delivered-the-address-to-the-federal-assembly/) to the Russian Federal Assembly.

March 4th, Sergei Skripal, a former UK spy, is allegedly poisoned in the UK. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Sergei_and_Yulia_Skripal)

March 8th, British officials accuse Russia (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43326734) of using nerve gas to attempt to murder Sergei Skripal.

March 12th, Theresa May officially blames Russia
(https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/12/world/europe/uk-russia-spy-poisoning.html) for the poisoning and gives Russia a 24-hour ultimatum (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/03/12/russia-could-target-england-fans-world-cup-uk-retaliates-salisbury/) to justify herself; the Russians ignore that ultimatum. The same day, the US representative at the UNSC threatens to attack Syria (http://thesaker.is/russian-mfa-summons-all-ambassadors-to-a-meeting-on-skripal-case-must-watch/) even without a UNSC authorization.

March 13th, Chief of Russia’s General Staff Valery Gerasimov warned (http://tass.com/world/993678) that “in case there is a threat to the lives of our military, the Russian Armed Force will take retaliatory measures both over the missiles and carriers that will use them”. The same day Chief of the Russian Armed Forces’ General Staff, Deputy Defense Minister, General of the Army Valery Gerasimov had a phone conversation (http://tass.com/defense/995551) with Marine Corps General Joseph Dunford, chairman of the United States’ Joint Chiefs of Staff.

March 15th, the UK blocked Russia’s draft UN Security Council statement (https://www.rt.com/news/421340-uk-block-un-skripal/) on Skripal poisoning case asking for an “urgent and civilized investigation” into the Skripal case. The US, UK, France, and Germany issue a statement backing the UK and blaming Russia (http://thesaker.is/trump-may-merkel-and-macron-issue-joint-statement-blaming-russia-for-sergei-skripal-poisoning/). The UK Defence Minister tells Russia (https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-russia-goaway/go-away-and-shut-up-british-minister-tells-russia-idUKKCN1GR23F) to “shut up and go away”.

March 16th, Major General Igor Konashenkov calls the British Defense Minister (http://thesaker.is/official-russian-reply-to-the-british-shut-up-and-go-away/) an “uncouth shrew” and “intellectual impotent”.

March 16th, Major General Igor Konashenkov calls the British Defense Minister (http://thesaker.is/official-russian-reply-to-the-british-shut-up-and-go-away/) an “uncouth shrew” and “intellectual impotent”.

March 17th, Russian Generals warned that the US is preparing a chemical false flag attack in Syria (http://thesaker.is/russian-mod-warn-us-is-preparing-a-chemical-false-flag-attack-in-syria-to-justify-us-attack/).

March 18th, Putin overwhelmingly wins the Presidential election (http://thesaker.is/the-outcome-of-the-election-in-russia-explained-in-simple-plain-english/). The same day, General Votel, Commander of CENTCOM declares in a testimony to the Armed Services Committee (http://www.centcom.mil/MEDIA/Transcripts/) that differences with Russia should be settled “through political and diplomatic channels”. When asked whether it would be correct to say that “with Russia and Iran’s help, Assad has won the Civil War in Syria?” General Votel replied “I do not think that is too — that is too strong of a statement. I think they have provided him the wherewithal to — to be ascendant at this point”.

March 19th, the EU’s Foreign Affairs Council issues a statement (http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2018/03/19/statement-by-the-foreign-affairs-council-on-the-salisbury-attack/) fully backing the UK.

March 21st The Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs summons all ambassadors to a briefing (http://thesaker.is/russian-mfa-summons-all-ambassadors-to-a-meeting-on-skripal-case-must-watch/) on the Skripal case. The language used by the Russian representative at this briefing (http://www.mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/-/asset_publisher/cKNonkJE02Bw/content/id/3134581) possibly is the bluntest used by any Russian (or even Soviet) official towards the West since WWII. The French, Swedish and US representative at the meeting all stood up to declare their “solidarity” with the UK.

March 22nd, The Chief of the Russian Armed Forces’ General Staff, Deputy Defense Minister, General of the Army Valery Gerasimov had another phone conversation (http://tass.com/defense/995551) with Marine Corps General Joseph Dunford, chairman of the United States’ Joint Chiefs of Staff.

....

Continues here with some discussion about Russian societal response: http://www.unz.com/tsaker/a-truly-historical-month-for-the-future-of-our-planet/

Cidersomerset

25th March 2018, 14:55

I posted this elsewhere but this timeline of events seems relevant here too:

'Q' has been saying this March was going to be significant for Trump and the
various events/inquiries/agendas going on as well, and its has been so far....

Cara

26th March 2018, 07:25

I heard this morning on the latest SOTT Behind the Headlines show (here: https://media.sott.net/srn/20180325bth-facebook-and-cambridge-analytica-trump-dumped-skripal-saga.mp3) that just before the Skripal story took place (and perhaps overlapping it in time), the UK military were holding a chemical weapons drill.... Exercise Toxic Dagger.... near Salisbury.

There always seem to be drills ahead of psyop activities....

Here’s the UK government story:

News story: Exercise TOXIC DAGGER - the sharp end of chemical warfare
MoD_RSS
40 Commando Royal Marines and The Defence Science and Technology Laboratory (Dstl) have staged the UK’s biggest annual exercise to prepare troops for Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear (CBRN) operations. Exercise TOXIC DAGGER is supported by Dstl, along with Public Health England (PHE) and The Atomic Weapons Establishment (AWE), and is the largest exercise of its kind in the country.

Specialists in CBRN from Dstl and AWE are able to create realistic exercise scenarios based on the latest threat information. Completing the training and exercising against these scenarios provides a challenging programme for the Royal Marines to demonstrate their proficiency in the methods to detect, assess and mitigate a CBRN threat. The three-week programme included Company-level attacks and scenarios concerning CBRN vignettes, concluding with a full-scale exercise involving government and industry scientists and more than 300 military personnel.

Major Rob Garside, from 40 Commando Royal Marines, said:

Working with Dstl means we have the most up-to-date information and a realistic exercise. This ensures we are well prepared for a CBRN operating environment. It is vital we can make rapid decisions and are able to protect and support specialists who come in to deal with any incident. On operations these specialists are on hand to advise and we must ensure we already have a strong understanding of their capabilities and what they require of us as a military force.

The Dstl lead for CBRN exercises said:

40 Commando would be first on the ground in the event of a CBRN incident. We ensure they’re up to date on the latest threats and make the exercise truly realistic. They not only have to provide a fighting force in an unstable environment, they must also be able to assess the scene and know what they’re dealing with.

That’s where Dstl, PHE, AWE and the Defence CBRN Centre come in, as we provide the technical information the Marines require.

Find out more about Dstl’s CBRN work (https://www.gov.uk/guidance/cbr-services-programme)
From here: https://www.navy-net.co.uk/community/threads/news-story-exercise-toxic-dagger-the-sharp-end-of-chemical-warfare.169327/

Also interesting on the SOTT programme was mention of the “coincidental” similarity of the SCL/Cambridge Analytica sales pitch at a defense industry expo and the Skripal “chemical attack”:

According to Liam O’Hare at Bella Caladonia, SCL went public in 2005 at the DSEI conference, a global arms fair in London, promoting itself as the first private company to provide psychological warfare services to the British military:

“Its ‘hard sell’ was a demonstration of how the UK government could use a sophisticated media campaign of mass deception to fool the British people into the thinking an accident at a chemical plant had occurred and threatened central London.”

Such a sales pitch is even more chilling given the recent events in Salisbury, where the alleged attempted assassination of double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter, Yulia—victims of a still unidentified nerve agent—is being used by the government to stage provocations against Russia.
From here: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/03/26/camb-m26.html

Drills and “predictive programming” coupled with media campaign.

Tintin

26th March 2018, 10:01

Cidersomerset

26th March 2018, 14:09

This all feels contrived ...............

President Trump expels 60 Russian diplomats

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Published on 26 Mar 2018...CNN
President Donald Trump has ordered the expulsion of 60 Russian diplomats the
US identified as intelligence agents and the closure of a Russian consulate in
Seattle in response to Russia's alleged use of a nerve agent in the United Kingdom.

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Spy poisoning: Russian diplomats expelled across US and Europe
26 minutes ago...26/3/18

https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/116E4/production/_100569317_kremlin_getty.jpg
The Kremlin has been expecting a series of diplomatic expulsions in response to the
attack .The United States and its European allies are expelling dozens of Russian
diplomats in a co-ordinated response to the poisoning of a former Russian spy in
the UK.US President Donald Trump has ordered 60 Russian diplomats to leave the
country.Germany, France, Ukraine and various other EU countries have made the
same move. Russia has indicated it will respond "proportionately".

Russia denies any role in the attack on Sergei Skripal and his daughter in Salisbury,
southern England. The pair remain in a critical but stable condition in hospital
Russian foreign ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova condemned the EU for
its "perverted interpretation of solidarity" with the UK.EU leaders agreed last week
it was highly likely Russia was behind the nerve-agent poisoning.In the US, 48 of
the envoys to be expelled are said to be based at the Russian embassy in
Washington and the others are at the UN in New York. It will also order the closure
of the Russian consulate in Seattle.

read more....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43545565

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EU & US announce mass coordinated expulsion of Russian diplomats over Skripal case

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmtlqHNcr4k
Published on 26 Mar 2018
Fourteen members of the EU have decided to expel Russian diplomats over the
Sergei Skripal case, meanwhile, Trump has also ordered the expulsion of 60
Russian diplomats and the closure of the Russian consulate in Seattle.

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Trump has ordered 60 Russian diplomats to leave the country - BBC News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ow3Nqflu90
Published on 26 Mar 2018
The United States and its European allies are expelling dozens of Russian diplomats
in a co-ordinated response to the poisoning of a former Russian spy in the UK.
US President Donald Trump has ordered 60 Russian diplomats to leave the country.
The US action is also the biggest move against Russia since the Cold War era and
the hostilities with the then Soviet Union.

Hervé

26th March 2018, 14:52

US has been able to make “Novichok” for 20 years – Russia (https://www.fort-russ.com/2018/03/47368/)

By Inessa Sinchougova (https://www.fort-russ.com/author/inessa-s/)
Last updated Mar 25, 2018

Russia has documents pointing to the fact that the US was developing the gas “Novichok”, said the head of the laboratory of chemical and analytical control of the Ministry of Defense of Russia, Igor Rybalchenko.

The expert condemned Mirzoyanov’s publication of information (original developer of the gas, who moved to the US in 1996) on the production of chemical weapons.

Back in 1998, US specialists discovered the substance in the Spectrum Library of the National Bureau of Standards of the United States. “Now it turns out that, judging by the name of this substance, it was exactly the same” Novichok ” – also called A234″ Rybalchenko said.

He noted that the connection was made based on the database input of information by members of the US Army Chemical Research and Development Center. Rybalchenko presented the relevant documents.

The scientist also believes that the formulas published in the book by Mirzayanov, allows anyone who has access to chemicals to synthesize such a compound.

Tintin

26th March 2018, 15:11

How much cross-over might there be with the suiciding of Dr. David Kelly in 2003, I wonder, and, the link to Porton Down....

Here's Cidersomerset's post on that thread which links to the Corbett Report: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44122-Suicide-riddle-of-weapons-expert-who-worked-with-David-Kelly-Read-more-http..&p=1176921&viewfull=1#post1176921.

I don't think it's at all tenuous, but, can't produce anything concrete to support the hunch except to say that a very long finger may seem to be suggesting a little history may be repeating itself here.

Tintin

26th March 2018, 15:26

More from Craig Murray here written on March 14th 2018. Baby Steps provided a link to Craig Murray's site, here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102079-Sergei-Skripal-who-was-behind-the-Salisbury-poisoning&p=1214317&viewfull=1#post1214317

I've opted to post the article in full. Note the opening paragraph reference to a former colleague of Dr. David Kelly mentioned by me just now in a previous post, here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102079-Sergei-Skripal-who-was-behind-the-Salisbury-poisoning&p=1216697&viewfull=1#post1216697

The Novichok Story Is Indeed Another Iraqi WMD Scam

Craig Murray, March 14th 2018

As recently as 2016 Dr Robin Black, Head of the Detection Laboratory at the UK’s only chemical weapons facility at Porton Down, a former colleague of Dr David Kelly, published in an extremely prestigious scientific journal that the evidence for the existence of Novichoks was scant and their composition unknown.

"In recent years, there has been much speculation that a fourth generation of nerve agents, ‘Novichoks’ (newcomer), was developed in Russia, beginning in the 1970s as part of the ‘Foliant’ programme, with the aim of finding agents that would compromise defensive countermeasures. Information on these compounds has been sparse in the public domain, mostly originating from a dissident Russian military chemist, Vil Mirzayanov. No independent confirmation of the structures or the properties of such compounds has been published." (Black, 2016)

Robin Black. (2016) Development, Historical Use and Properties of Chemical Warfare Agents. Royal Society of Chemistry

Yet now, the British Government is claiming to be able instantly to identify a substance which its only biological weapons research centre has never seen before and was unsure of its existence. Worse, it claims to be able not only to identify it, but to pinpoint its origin. Given Dr Black’s publication, it is plain that claim cannot be true.
The world’s international chemical weapons experts share Dr Black’s opinion. The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) is a UN body based in the Hague. In 2013 this was the report of its Scientific Advisory Board, which included US, French, German and Russian government representatives and on which Dr Black was the UK representative:

"[The SAB] ...emphasised that the definition of toxic chemicals in the Convention would cover all potential candidate chemicals that might be utilised as chemical weapons. Regarding new toxic chemicals not listed in the Annex on Chemicals but which may nevertheless pose a risk to the Convention, the SAB makes reference to “Novichoks”. The name “Novichok” is used in a publication of a former Soviet scientist who reported investigating a new class of nerve agents suitable for use as binary chemical weapons. The SAB states that it has insufficient information to comment on the existence or properties of “Novichoks”." (OPCW, 2013)

OPCW: Report of the Scientific Advisory Board on developments in science and technology for the Third Review Conference 27 March 2013

Indeed the OPCW was so sceptical of the viability of “novichoks” that it decided – with US and UK agreement – not to add them nor their alleged precursors to its banned list. In short, the scientific community broadly accepts Mirzayanov was working on “novichoks” but doubts he succeeded.

Given that the OPCW has taken the view the evidence for the existence of “Novichoks” is dubious, if the UK actually has a sample of one it is extremely important the UK presents that sample to the OPCW. Indeed the UK has a binding treaty obligation to present that sample to OPCW. Russa has – unreported by the corporate media – entered a demand at the OPCW that Britain submit a sample of the Salisbury material for international analysis.

Yet Britain refuses to submit it to the OPCW.

Why?

A second part of May’s accusation is that “Novichoks” could only be made in certain military installations. But that is also demonstrably untrue. If they exist at all, Novichoks were allegedly designed to be able to be made at bench level in any commercial chemical facility – that was a major point of them. The only real evidence for the existence of Novichoks was the testimony of the ex-Soviet scientist Mizayanov. And this is what Mirzayanov actually wrote:

One should be mindful that the chemical components or precursors of A-232 or its binary version novichok-5 are ordinary organophosphates that can be made at commercial chemical companies that manufacture such products as fertilizers and pesticides.

Vil S. Mirzayanov, “Dismantling the Soviet/Russian Chemical Weapons Complex: An Insider’s View,” in Amy E. Smithson, Dr. Vil S. Mirzayanov, Gen Roland Lajoie, and Michael Krepon, Chemical Weapons Disarmament in Russia: Problems and Prospects, Stimson Report No. 17, October 1995, p. 21.

It is a scientific impossibility for Porton Down to have been able to test for Russian novichoks if they have never possessed a Russian sample to compare them to. They can analyse a sample as conforming to a Mirzayanov formula, but as he published those to the world twenty years ago, that is no proof of Russian origin. If Porton Down can synthesise it, so can many others, not just the Russians.

And finally – Mirzayanov is an Uzbek name and the novichok programme, assuming it existed, was in the Soviet Union but far away from modern Russia, at Nukus in modern Uzbekistan. I have visited the Nukus chemical weapons site myself. It was dismantled and made safe and all the stocks destroyed and the equipment removed by the American government, as I recall finishing while I was Ambassador there.

There has in fact never been any evidence that any “novichok” ever existed in Russia itself.

To summarise:
• Porton Down has acknowledged in publications it has never seen any Russian “novichoks”. The UK government has absolutely no “fingerprint” information such as impurities that can safely attribute this substance to Russia.
• Until now, neither Porton Down nor the world’s experts at the Organisation for the Prevention of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) were convinced “Novichoks” even exist.

• The UK is refusing to provide a sample to the OPCW.

• “Novichoks” were specifically designed to be able to be manufactured from common ingredients on any scientific bench. The Americans dismantled and studied the facility that allegedly developed them. It is completely untrue only the Russians could make them, if anybody can.

• The “Novichok” programme was in Uzbekistan not in Russia. Its legacy was inherited by the Americans during their alliance with Karimov, not by the Russians.

With a great many thanks to sources who cannot be named at this moment.

Cidersomerset

26th March 2018, 16:50

This is straight out of a cold war spy movie......It is probable that these type of
alleged murders do go on by spy agencies as per movies and novels. But this
is another convenient and odd confession. Many countries have assassination
assets most famously mossad ,CIA , MI5/6 and others including Russia . The
US has a very long culture of assassinations of all kinds just read history and
most countries have had horrific periods of violence....

including chemicals and poison
Retired MI5 Agent John Hopkins Confesses On His Deathbed I Killed Princess Diana
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6eTKqx9_rE
Published on 20 Jun 2017

Its the timing , motives and who benefits ? that make no sense here as far
as I can see so far....

Former KGB agent was told something bad would happen

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Published on 25 Mar 2018
CNN's Nic Robertson speaks to a former senior KGB spy who says that
he was warned that Sergei Skripal and his daughter were in danger.

Cidersomerset

26th March 2018, 17:17

Cidersomerset

26th March 2018, 20:01

I was going to post this earlier in the thread but waited to see how things
would escalate, it hopefully will not go as far as a conflict even though there
are two major friction zones in Syria the Ukraine and possibly Iran that
could spark a major confrontation

David has been talking about this for a long time and reposted this after the
alleged Russian attack in Salisbury....

PROVED RIGHT AGAIN: David Icke predicting the war on Russia and explaining why
speaking in 2008 , 2014 , 2016 & 17

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Published on 13 Mar 2018

uzn

26th March 2018, 23:30

By Vinay Devnath -
12th January 2017

'Boston Brakes' Assassination Using GKN
Driveline Patent Pool on Mercedes Benz

0Sv5gfKlKq0

THE ONBOARD COMPUTER CHIP WAS MISSING FROM THE STOLEN MERCEDES!

The onboard computer chip controls, amongst other things, navigation,
acceleration, steering and braking of a vehicle. [Allegedly calibrated for remote
control of the Lockheed-GKN Driveline in Boston Brakes mode]
http://presidentialfield.com/9-13-201...
http://presidentialfield.com/9-15-201...
http://presidentialfield.com/9-14-201...

Considering that Princess Diana's death was due to a car crash, the fact that the
Mercedes S280 involved in the crash had its onboard computer chip stolen some
days earlier (and nothing else mind you...suggesting the car-snatchers were no
ordinary thieves) pushes the pervasive accident account onto firmer conspiracy
territory.

To date there actually exists a well established assassination technique from the
1980s (developed by the British SAS) nicknamed "The Boston Brakes" which
involves steering, braking and acceleration capability being taken over by remote
control!

In fact world famous explorer and former SAS officer, Sir Ranulph Fiennes did
indeed confirm the relatively common use of this assassination method with
particular reference to the death in England of one Major Michael Marman in a car
accident that bears uncanny resemblance to that of Princess Diana, Dodi Fayed and
Henri Paul.

So what could have been the motive behind the theft of the Mercedes Benz S280
that was involved in the Paris tunnel crash on August 31, 1997?

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Ex Mi5 Agent Annie Machon - Princess Diana Was Assassinated Because She Was
About To Take On Israel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eSbhFrU5DA

====================================================

Three IRA members shot dead in Gibraltar...6 March 1988
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/events/three_ira_members_shot_dead_in_gibraltar
Panorama Shoot to Kill 1991
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vdg9-9GPeF8

===================================================

French spy who sank Greenpeace ship apologises for lethal bombing

Jean-Luc Kister was one of a team which planted mines on the Rainbow Warrior in
1985, killing photographer Fernando Pereira
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/06/french-spy-who-sunk-greenpeace-ship-apologises-for-lethal-bombing

As was Uwe Barschel, german high level politician, killed 11. Oktober 1987. After he announced that he will come clean about what was happening in german politics. Killed by the Mossad. Killed on foreign soil.

http://www.taz.de/picture/979680/948/15234639.jpeg

By the way now we know that a british Company (Cambridge Analytica) was influencing the american elections big time, not so much the russians. But do you hear any excuses going in the direction of Russia?

uzn

27th March 2018, 08:54

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZNTHpvT1j8

The Moss Trooper

27th March 2018, 11:04

Sir Ranulph Fiennes is a experienced and credible source....

Ranulph Fiennes.....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranulph_Fiennes
https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article5467997.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/ranulph-fiennes-main.jpg
14 Incredible Facts About Sir Ranulph Fiennes That Make Him The Most Badass Human Ever
https://www.storypick.com/ranulph-fiennes/

By Vinay Devnath -
12th January 2017

'Boston Brakes' Assassination Using GKN
Driveline Patent Pool on Mercedes Benz

0Sv5gfKlKq0

THE ONBOARD COMPUTER CHIP WAS MISSING FROM THE STOLEN MERCEDES!

The onboard computer chip controls, amongst other things, navigation,
acceleration, steering and braking of a vehicle. [Allegedly calibrated for remote
control of the Lockheed-GKN Driveline in Boston Brakes mode]
http://presidentialfield.com/9-13-201...
http://presidentialfield.com/9-15-201...
http://presidentialfield.com/9-14-201...

Considering that Princess Diana's death was due to a car crash, the fact that the
Mercedes S280 involved in the crash had its onboard computer chip stolen some
days earlier (and nothing else mind you...suggesting the car-snatchers were no
ordinary thieves) pushes the pervasive accident account onto firmer conspiracy
territory.

To date there actually exists a well established assassination technique from the
1980s (developed by the British SAS) nicknamed "The Boston Brakes" which
involves steering, braking and acceleration capability being taken over by remote
control!

In fact world famous explorer and former SAS officer, Sir Ranulph Fiennes did
indeed confirm the relatively common use of this assassination method with
particular reference to the death in England of one Major Michael Marman in a car
accident that bears uncanny resemblance to that of Princess Diana, Dodi Fayed and
Henri Paul.

So what could have been the motive behind the theft of the Mercedes Benz S280
that was involved in the Paris tunnel crash on August 31, 1997?

===================================================
===================================================

Ex Mi5 Agent Annie Machon - Princess Diana Was Assassinated Because She Was
About To Take On Israel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eSbhFrU5DA

====================================================

Three IRA members shot dead in Gibraltar...6 March 1988
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/events/three_ira_members_shot_dead_in_gibraltar
Panorama Shoot to Kill 1991
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vdg9-9GPeF8

===================================================

French spy who sank Greenpeace ship apologises for lethal bombing

Jean-Luc Kister was one of a team which planted mines on the Rainbow Warrior in
1985, killing photographer Fernando Pereira
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/06/french-spy-who-sunk-greenpeace-ship-apologises-for-lethal-bombing

In the interests of accuracy, bolding above, mine, the Boston Brakes technique was not applied to Major Marmon's car, but to Sir Peter Horsley's (he of the JANUS encounter):

The Clinic had been watching Major Michael Marman, and had determined that he frequently drove along the A303 arterial road, in Wiltshire, south-west England, on personal business.

While doing this, he was habitually alone, and the fact that his vehicle was a relatively flimsy Citroen 2CV meant that a crash was the perfect method to kill him. Nevertheless, the Clinic dared not tamper with Marman's car or deploy a driver to ram him off the road, since their contractual obligation to make the death appear accidental would almost certainly come unstuck under the slightest police investigation. They therefore decided to use a proxy: an apparently random driver who would unknowingly become the Clinic's untraceable instrument of execution, by colliding with Marman.

Through relatively simple research, they discovered a businessman whose offices were in Plymouth and London, and who regularly drove between the two along the A303 road. This was Air Marshal (ret'd) Sir Peter Horsley, former equerry to the Duke of Edinburgh and to the Queen, and ex-Commander in Chief of Britain's atomic strike force, who now worked for an engineering firm, ML Holdings.

Study and surveillance showed that Sir Peter was due to drive from London to Plymouth for a board meeting on 11 November 1986, at a time which would mean he would pass Major Marman in the opposite direction along the length of the A303. The Clinic then entered Horsely's garage during the night of 10-11 November, and, over an eight-hour period, fitted a 'parasite' braking system in the cavities of his BMW, in such a way that it couldn't be seen on immediate inspection. This radio-controlled system was powered by a scuba-diving cylinder of compressed air, which would allow each of the car's brakes to be applied separately, without the control of the driver.

The next day, having practised their technique for weeks with stock cars and models, two of the Clinic members shadowed Horsely, while keeping in radio communication with a second Clinic team, shadowing Marman. As Marman's 2CV and Horsely's BMW approached each other along the A303, the parasite braking system was applied, and Horsely lost control of his vehicle, which was steered across the central reservation and into Marman's path. the ensuing collision killed Marman outright, and severely injured Horsely. Horsely was initially under suspicion of reckless driving, but fortunately had a witness who had been driving behind him, who testified that he had seen a puff of smoke emerge from the rear of Horsely's car immediately before he lost control: at inquest, the local coroner said the accident would remain unexplained. The more definitely so, since the Clinic's parasite brake-system had been secretly removed after the accident while the BMW was impounded at the police garage facility. The Feather Men, who failed to prevent this assassination, ultimately learned exactly how this scenario unfolded when they captured and interrogated the Clinic's chief assassin.

If this scenario sounds incredible, one should bear in mind that the Chief Feather Man, SAS Commander Tommy MacPherson, allowed his name to be used in Fiennes's book, and revealed that part of the proceeds from sales had gone to the SAS Jubilee Fund. The Clinic's unwitting 'guided missile', Sir Peter Horsely --very much a real person -- recounts his side of this grotesque episode in his 1998 autobiography, Sounds From Another Room. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staged_Vehicle_Accident

Tintin

27th March 2018, 13:38

Links to Porton Down, David Kelly (deceased), and Sergei Skripal (brief)

Somewhere in the midst of this, are, I am certain, multiple strands and not one over-riding agenda at play. However getting back a little to the most likely candidate for the source of whatever this nerve agent actually was that was used here, the interesting Corbett Report (Episode 192 - 2011) that I referred to above, here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102079-Sergei-Skripal-who-was-behind-the-Salisbury-poisoning&p=1216697&viewfull=1#post1216697 (with thanks again to Cidersomerset for the thread from where I found it) does steer viewers or listeners towards the end to a film called 'Anthrax War', that I haven't admittedly seen yet, but may cast further light I imagine on what ever is actually going on at that facility.

If Dr. David Kelly was 'offed' because, as he was suggesting very strongly in the weeks before his untimely demise, he wanted a book written, and was in no uncertain terms strongly advised against doing so, there is at least a possibility that, and this is only a maybe mind, Sergei may have been privy to what was going on there as well, given his previous intelligence background, and, proximity to this facility.

Here's the snip from the end of the Corbett Report podcast that refers to the 'Anthrax War' film and speculative, yet compellingly plausible reasoning behind DD's demise: (Words that leap out here are "..international germ warfare".)

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Whatever the case may be, the Establishment has its fingerprints all over this Skripal affair, whether this was effected, as I suspect, by rogue shadow-government operatives or willing 'surface' operatives remains moot of course.

Cidersomerset

27th March 2018, 15:48

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Spy poisoning: Nato expels Russian diplomats
25 minutes ago

Nato is expelling seven Russian diplomats in response to a
nerve agent attack in the UK.The international security
organisation's chief said the move would send a message to
Russia that there are "costs and consequences" for its behaviour.

Twenty-five countries have expelled Russian envoys in the last
two days, in solidarity with the UK.They all believe Russia was
behind the poisoning of two people in Salisbury. Russian ex-spy
Sergei Skripal and his daughter, Yulia, were poisoned on 4 March
in Salisbury, southern England, and investigators believe a
military-grade nerve agent was used. Russian has denied involvement.

Speaking in Brussels, Nato chief Jens Stoltenberg said he would also
deny pending accreditation for three Russian staff, and would reduce
the size of Russia's mission from 30 to 20. Earlier, Russia accused the
US of pressuring other countries to join the mass expulsion of its diplomats.

Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov accused Washington of "colossal blackmail"
and said there were "few independent countries" left in modern Europe.

read more...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-43550938

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Russian envoy to the EU comments on wave of diplomatic expulsions over
Skripal case

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Streamed live 3 hours ago..27/3/18
Russian envoy to the EU Vladimir Chizhov comments of wave of diplomatic
expulsions over Skripal case

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I thought it was the Russians ? I'm sure they will still be linked somehow...

The UK may not have voted for Brexit if it had not been for "cheating" by
the Leave campaign, a former employee of Cambridge Analytica (CA) has claimed.

http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/3.22.39/orb/4/img/bbc-blocks-dark.png

1 hour ago...27/3/18

The UK may not have voted for Brexit if it had not been for "cheating" by the Leave
campaign, a former employee of Cambridge Analytica (CA) has claimed.Christopher
Wylie said Vote Leave and other pro-Brexit groups had a "common plan" to get
round spending controls. He told MPs they all used Aggregate IQ, a "franchise" of
the data analytics firm, to target swing voters, using information drawn from CA's
databases. CA said Mr Wylie had stopped working for them long before the 2016 poll.

read more...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43558876

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A short summery of the basic agenda ......

No Evidence Required: Manufacturing Lies and Deception in the Quest for War

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMM9l6e0bHI
Newsbud ...Published on 26 Mar 2018

Ever since 9/11 and the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, the state has increasingly
passed off falsification and lies as truth. Prior to that event, the state peddled
lies—from the sinking of the Maine to the Gulf of Tonkin, to name but two—and
over the last decade and a half it has used this tactic with increasing frequency. On
March 4, a former Russian spy and double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter
were apparently poisoned and found catatonic on a bench in the British city of
Salisbury. Prime Minister Theresa May accused Vladimir Putin and the Russians.
She did this without sufficient evidence and before an investigation of the incident.
United Nations ambassador Nikki Haley not only blamed Russia for the poisoning,
she also linked it to alleged chemical attacks in Syria, again without evidence. The
Russian blame game has now gone into overdrive and in the process moved the
world closer to a war between nuclear super powers. The new standard is no
evidence. None is offered and none required. The propaganda media reports false
flags and fabricated events as fact and the people either believe or they don’t—it
doesn’t matter to the state, it uses propaganda to justify sanctions and other acts
of war. It no longer bothers to engineer believable false flag events.
https://www.newsbud.com/2018/03/26/no-evidence-required-manufacturing-lies-and-deception-in-the-quest-for-war/

Cidersomerset

27th March 2018, 17:16

I have done several threads related to this and its really about the hidden NWO
globalist agendas there are many excuses but the end of the cold war - Al quaeda
-9/11- Afghanistan - Iraq - Libya - ISIS/ISIL - Syria now Russia/Iran/North Korea
and possibly China are all linked....We hoped Trump was going to stop this and
he may yet ? But signs are he is being pressured into carry on the agenda by
default. He has massively increased the mil budget pleasing the mil ind complex,
and backing Israel & Saudi and threatening the usual suspects in the axis of evil...

Suddenly as if by magic The Russian are arming the Taliban ...Wow even if this is
true why are they making a fuss about it now I wonder ?

US commander accuses Russia of arming the Afghan Taliban
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQbKiIHj1ew
Published on 27 Mar 2018
How will the accusation affect U.S.-Russia relations? Former CIA station chief
Daniel Hoffman reacts on 'Fox & Friends First.'

Re: Afghan Opium Harvesting Protected by British & American Occupation Forces //
2014 the largest Opium crop in History.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84791-Afghan-Opium-Harvesting-Protected-by-British-American-Occupation-Forces-2014-the-largest-Opium-crop-in-History.
Robin Cook a vocal opponent to the Iraq war also died suddenly.....The Robin Cook Conspiracy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgD2JJsclBM
http://rasica.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/robin-cook.jpg

The Death of Dr. Kelly: An Open Case
GlobalResearchTV

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Published on 15 Jan 2013
This documentary studies the suspicious death of Dr. David Christopher Kelly,
an internationally recognized British authority on biological weapons, after his
claims before the Iraq war.
A Press TV Documentary, originally aired January 13, 2013
http://www.presstv.ir/doc/aperture.ht... Death of Dr. Kelly-An Open Case

Cidersomerset

28th March 2018, 17:46

Hilarious and sad propaganda from the US state dept which was just as bad under
Obama with clueless bimbos parroting from the Pulpit. America is safe with 60
less spies. If this is the case why did they not expel them a decade ago ? or better
still expel all their diplomats for that matter. What she should say is this is a political
decision made in conjunction with the UK and their allies to punish Putin because
the UK thinks it highly likely that the Russians sanctioned the poisoning in Salisbury.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxKxcbE_cpg

Published on 28 Mar 2018
The newly promoted acting undersecretary for public diplomacy and public affairs
channelled horror writer H.P. Lovecraft to describe Russia as a 'beast from the deep
sea' - MORE: https://on.rt.com/920v

'No guarantee we’ll survive this new Cold War' – Peter Kuznick comments on Skripal case
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWnJqQlP-ig
Published on 28 Mar 2018
EU countries that expelled Russian diplomats this week didn't expel US diplomats
for the Iraq invasion; there is hypocrisy in this new Cold War narrative, Peter
Kuznick, co-author of Untold History of the United States, told RT.

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Galloway: "I no longer take any politician's word at face value"

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Published on 28 Mar 2018
"I no longer take any politician's word at face value, I demand to see evidence"
says George Galloway as EU countries and the US join the UK in expelling Russian diplomats.

Cidersomerset

28th March 2018, 17:56

Henningsen: "We're in desperate need of adult supervision here"

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Published on 28 Mar 2018
"We're in desperate need of adult supervison here" says Patrick Henningsen
as Conservatives minister Alan Duncan MP brands Julian Assange a "miserable
little worm" over Skripal tweet.
MORE: https://on.rt.com/9204

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I still think this was done partly for the Brexit talks....

Boris this support for Britain is a good omen after Brexit......

Razvi: The West's reaction shows Russia is a global player

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aewAerli5U8
Published on 28 Mar 2018
"The West's reaction shows Russia is a global player" says political and economic
analyst Shabbir Razvi as UK lauds wave of expulsions as Russia vows to respond
to each country.

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Spy poisoning: Highest amount of nerve agent was on door

10 minutes ago..28/3/18

A Russian ex-spy and his daughter, who were poisoned by a
nerve agent, first came into contact with the substance at
their home, police have said. Sergei Skripal and his daughter
Yulia were found collapsed on a bench in Salisbury on 4 March
and remain in a critical condition in hospital.

Counter terrorism police said their efforts were focussed around
the Skripal's address in the city. The risk to neighbours living
near the Skripal's remains low. Specialists identified the highest
concentration of the nerve agent, to date, at the front door of
the Skripal's house, police said in a statement. The Metropolitan
Police said it wanted to reassure the public that searches around
the Skripal's neighbourhood were precautionary.

About 250 counter terrorism officers continue to work on the case.

read more...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43577987

Cara

29th March 2018, 06:05

Long detailed and thoroughly researched article at SouthFront by Dilyana Gaytandzhieva who is the journalist that uncovered the trail of shipping arms from various Eastern European states to Syria. She has been doing investigative work into the biological weapons programs of the US military.

Salisbury Nerve Agent Attack Reveals $70 Million Pentagon Program At Porton Down
By Dilyana Gaytandzhieva exclusively for SouthFront

Twitter/@dgaytandzhieva

The Pentagon has spent at least $70 million on military experiments involving tests with deadly viruses and chemical agents at Porton Down – the UK military laboratory near the city of Salisbury. The secretive biological and chemical research facility is located just 13 km from where on 4th March former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia were found slumped on a bench following an alleged Novichok nerve agent poisoning.

Information obtained from the US federal contracts registry reveals that the Pentagon’s Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) has funded a number of military projects performed at the UK Defence Science and Technology Laboratory (DSTL), or Porton Down, over the last decade. Among them: experimental respiratory infection of non-human primates (marmosets) with Anthrax, Ebola virus, Marburg virus, Venezuelan equine encephalitis virus, Western equine encephalitis virus, and Eastern equine encephalitis virus. The US Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) has also funded experiments on animals which were exposed to chemical agents such as Sulfur Mustard and Phosgene gas. Phosgene gas was used as a chemical weapon during World War I where it was responsible for about 85 % of the 100,000 deaths caused by chemical weapons.

DTRA has also been granted full access to DSTL scientific and technical capabilities, and test data under a 2011 contract for the collaboration and exchange of scientific and technical capabilities with the UK Ministry of Defence.

....

From here: https://southfront.org/salisbury-nerve-agent-attack-reveals-70-million-pentagon-program-porton/

Goes on in a very detailed review including excerpts from documents from Freedom of Information requests and other government sources..... very good, detailed reporting and much too long to post here.

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And, here is Nafeez Ahmed, another good independent journalist. He interviewed a former head of OPCW:

Former OPCW official: no conclusive proof of Russian complicity in Salisbury attack
But Russia’s denial of past ‘Novichok’ programmes is misleading

Nafeez Ahmed Mar 27

Nerve agent found in Salisbury does not conclusively prove Russian complicity
Russia’s denial of a Novichok programme is true but misleading — a secret nerve agent programme to create Novichok-type agents was run under a different name
Western states have extensively researched and synthesized the Novichok class of agents
Novichok was most recently synthesized by Iran, details of which were provided to the OPCW

Russian Novichok stockpiles were destroyed in the 1990s, but it is theoretically possible that some capability still exists, though no evidence for this is available
The US and its European allies have coordinated the largest collective expulsion of Russian diplomats in history. Russia has promised to retaliate in kind. Yet despite the sense of certainty around Russian culpability in the Salisbury incident, questions remain around the state of the available evidence.

As contradictory narratives proliferate amidst conflicting Western and Russian government statements and media reports, a clearer picture of the secret history of the nerve agent used in the Salisbury poisonings is emerging.

In an exclusive interview with INSURGE, a former senior official at the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) from 1993 to 2006, Dr Ralf Trapp, said that at this stage there is no conclusive evidence that Russia was the source of the nerve agent used in Salisbury. He pointed to compelling evidence that Russia did run a secret research programme to create Novichok-type nerve agents — and strongly criticised Russia’s denials of that programme. While justifying grounds for suspicion, there is as yet no decisive proof that Russia retained such a Novichok programme or capability today, he said.

....

From here: https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/former-opcw-official-no-conclusive-proof-of-russian-complicity-in-salisbury-attack-1ae3749ba38e

Continues on with a detailed review and other sources and experts quoted and interviewed. Another good, detailed investigative report.

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And here is Joe Quinn, of Sott.net, summarising the latest on this:

We Can Actively Assume That Skripal Was Poisoned by The British Government

By now anyone with an opinion on the Skripal poisoning has already decided if they believe the official narrative or not. Still, the event and the ongoing media coverage around it presents an opportunity to understand more than we might think.

...

So when we remove the unfounded and contradictory claims around the Skripal poisoning, the actual facts of the case are rather limited:

Skripal lived in Salisbury, England, and had been working for MI5 for 8 years. It is reasonable to assume that he may, therefore, have had access to sensitive material, possibly useful to foreign governments, including Russia. As such, he may have posed an 'intelligence threat' if he returned to Russia.
According to a close friend, Skripal had recently decided that he wanted to go back to live in Russia and petitioned the Russian government to that end.
Not long thereafter, Skripal was poisoned with a substance that was in stock at a British Ministry of Defense facility, 8 miles from where he was living.
The British government blamed Russia for his poisoning. This accusation must be seen in the context of a years-long anglo-American black propaganda campaign designed to marginalize Russia and thereby limit its ability to effectively assert itself as a globally influential player.
...

In contrast, the British government's apparent access to the precise nerve agents in question, close to where Skripal lives, their full access to Skripal himself, their past form in fabricating evidence of chemical weapons usage by other states, and their clear intent to wage a vicious and underhanded demonization campaign against Russia, all combine to allow us to actively assume that the poisoning of Skripal and his daughter was the work of the British government itself. Is it beyond a reasonable doubt? Perhaps not, but it is currently the only hypothesis that makes sense given the evidence available. And until more evidence is made available, it is the only reasonable conclusion to make.

From here: https://www.sott.net/article/381261-We-Can-Actively-Assume-That-Skripal-Was-Poisoned-by-The-British-Government

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Essentially, all these articles support the conclusion most readers of the alternative media have already reached that this is a set up job to blame Russia. Still, they may be useful.

Cara

29th March 2018, 08:19

I posted this in the thread on geopolitics (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101747-Geopolitics-Culture-History-....-Things-to-explore-about-the-world) where I am trying to collate info on geopolitical and cultural moves and strategy.... (tall order I know)....

Anyway, it seems relevant here as context for the Skripal situation:

...Thierry Meyssan’s... view on British foreign policy under Theresa May.

The summary is in the first paragraph:

”The United Kingdom intends to re-establish its Empire (Global Britain) by
”promoting international free exchange with the help of China [2] and
ejecting Russia from international instances with the help of its military allies – the United States, France, Germany, Jordan and Saudi Arabia”

And again, further down the article, there is the current focus:

“the promotion of international free exchange, but exclusively in the thalassocratic context, in other words with the United States against the Chinese communication routes;
”and the attempt to exclude Russia from the Security Council and cut the world in two, which implies the on-going manipulation with chemical weapons in Syria, and the Skripal affair.”

Theresa May’s Foreign Policy
by Thierry Meyssan

Global Britain

On 13 November last, Theresa May seized the opportunity offered by the Prime Minister’s annual speech at Lord Mayor’s Banquet to give an overview of the new British strategy after the Brexit [1]. The United Kingdom intends to re-establish its Empire (Global Britain) by promoting international free exchange with the help of China [2] and ejecting Russia from international instances with the help of its military allies – the United States, France, Germany, Jordan and Saudi Arabia.

Retrospectively, all the elements we can see today were mentioned in this speech, even if we didn’t immediately understand it at the time.

...

NATO denounced Russia’s desire to weaken the cohesion of the Alliance in order to threaten it more easily.

However, a British expert, Chris Donnelly, has since refined this rhetoric. In order to weaken the West, Russia is allegedly attempting to delegitimise its economic and social system, the foundation for its military power. That would be the hidden motive behind Russian criticism, particularly in the media. ...

I believe that Donnelly is correct in his analysis, and that Russia is correct in its objective. Indeed, the United Kingdom and Russia are two diametrically opposite cultures.

...

Two months after her speech at the Lord Mayor’s Banquet, on 22 January 2018, Her Majesty’s Chief of Staff, General Sir Nick Carter, gave a very important speech which was entirely dedicated to the coming war with Russia, based on Donnelly’s theory [5]. Drawing the lessons from the Syrian experience, he described an enemy who possesses new, extremely powerful weaponry. (This was two months before President Putin revealed his new nuclear arsenal [6]). Sir Nick Carter confirmed the necessity of having many more ground troops, of developing the British arsenal, and of preparing for a war in which the images broadcast by the medias would be more important than victory on the ground.

The day after this shock conference at the Royal United Services Institute (the Defence think tank), the National Security Council announced the creation of a military unit to combat « Russian propaganda » [7].

...

The announced military Alliance was constituted in the form of the very secret « Little Group » [10]. Germany was weathering a government crisis at the time and did not participate at first, but it seems that this late start was rectified at the beginning of March. All the members of this conspiracy coordinated their actions in Syria. Despite their efforts, they failed three times to organise a false-flag chemical attack in Western Ghouta, since the Syrian and Russian armies had seized their laboratories in Aftris and Chifonya [11]. However, they did manage to publish a common anti-Russian statement concerning the Skripal affair [12] and to mobilise both NATO [13] and the European Union against Russia [14].

...

In any case, Global Britain today may be defined as follows :

the promotion of international free exchange, but exclusively in the thalassocratic context, in other words with the United States against the Chinese communication routes;
and the attempt to exclude Russia from the Security Council and cut the world in two, which implies the on-going manipulation with chemical weapons in Syria, and the Skripal affair.

...

From here: http://www.voltairenet.org/article200375.html

Thalassocratic = Sea / Maritime empire. See here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalassocracy

Apologies if this seems somewhat disjointed, I only kept the pieces that seemed more relevant in this thread.... the original article has more cogency.

greybeard

29th March 2018, 09:48

Tintin

29th March 2018, 11:00

Salisbury Nerve Agent Attack Reveals $70 Million Pentagon Program At Porton Down
By Dilyana Gaytandzhieva exclusively for SouthFront

Twitter/@dgaytandzhieva

From here: https://southfront.org/salisbury-nerve-agent-attack-reveals-70-million-pentagon-program-porton/

And, here is Nafeez Ahmed, another good independent journalist. He interviewed a former head of OPCW:

Former OPCW official: no conclusive proof of Russian complicity in Salisbury attack
But Russia’s denial of past ‘Novichok’ programmes is misleading

From here: https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/former-opcw-official-no-conclusive-proof-of-russian-complicity-in-salisbury-attack-1ae3749ba38e

And here is Joe Quinn, of Sott.net, summarising the latest on this:

We Can Actively Assume That Skripal Was Poisoned by The British Government

From here: https://www.sott.net/article/381261-We-Can-Actively-Assume-That-Skripal-Was-Poisoned-by-The-British-Government

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Essentially, all these articles support the conclusion most readers of the alternative media have already reached that this is a set up job to blame Russia. Still, they may be useful.

Searcher: these articles are pure gold and thank you for sourcing them :thumbsup:

The Moss Trooper

29th March 2018, 11:24

This is the molecular formula used: C24H30N2O3

This is the molecular weight: 394.515 g/mol

The chemical name is: CARFENTANIL

The perpetrators are the German GO2

Theses are the answers to the questions of, "what was used?" and, "by whom?".

As to the question of "why?", I cannot say at the moment.

ThePythonicCow

29th March 2018, 12:04

Hervé

29th March 2018, 12:22

French “supercop” Paul Barril interviewed about anti-Russian false flag operations (http://thesaker.is/french-supercop-paul-barril-interviewed-about-anti-russian-false-flag-operations/)

The Saker
March 28, 2018 40 Comments (http://thesaker.is/french-supercop-paul-barril-interviewed-about-anti-russian-false-flag-operations/#comments)

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Litvinenko, Berezovky, Skripal ... CIA, MI6 False flags to blame Russia

https://yt3.ggpht.com/a-/AJLlDp1MECy47wcKoXvhH_tz1TFw96QiKSBT8rcQ-A=s88-mo-c-c0xffffffff-rj-k-no (https://www.youtube.com/user/TheTruthIsFromGod7) The Truth Is From God (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCk3Thsck5iZ_L6UgSF_VWGA) Published on Mar 15, 2018

Retired French GIGN officer Paul Barill says he not only knows how Alexander Litvinenko was assassinated, but his handler exiled tycoon Boris Berezovsky was killed to keep him quiet.

The operation's name is Beluga, and its purpose is to blame Russia. Since Russia is harming the western plan in Syria and in many other cases, the western secret services try to discredit Russia by blaming it for crimes that are false flag assassinations. False flag assassinations made by the western secret services and blamed on Russia.

Don't be deceived by the mass media and by the western propaganda, behind almost every big case, there is a lie, a huge lie, which is 100% opposed to the reality.

Wake up! use your own discernment, make your own search, investigate all the different views .... and come to your own conclusions.

Recently, the case of the former FSB agent Skripal, murdered in UK and blamed on Russia is the continuation of this operation, and illustrates the secret moves of the western forces to counter Russia

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Comment at the Saker:
B.F. on March 28, 2018 · at 1:14 pm UTC (http://thesaker.is/french-supercop-paul-barril-interviewed-about-anti-russian-false-flag-operations/#comment-503005)
What Paul Barril stated is basically well known (but not all the details). Those Russians who died in England were sacrificed in order to discredit President Putin. Many analysts on the Internet came to that conclusion. As for this latest false flag attack in England, where ostensibly military nerve gas was used (of all things), it is interesting that information is now coming out that Sergei Skripal had petitioned President Putin for a pardon, as he wanted to return to Russia. If true, then somebody had an interest in preventing this.

As for Russians living in England, a number of them had fled there after getting dishonestly rich during the Yeltsin years, when Russia was plundered by foreign corporations, banks and domestic oligarchs. They yearn for those years, when they got quickly rich. And of course they oppose Putin. The West is counting on them as a potential political Trojan Horse. It wont work. Nobody in Russia can forget the Yeltsin years, and ordinary people do not want to see a return to those times, which explains Putin’s popularity.

Cidersomerset

29th March 2018, 12:52

Part of the MO of all intel agencies is to lie and deceive spread propaganda and
much more as we should all know but we are expected to believe our own agencies
would not do this to their own people which is total BS. Of course the Russians like
many of the others are capable of this , but none of it has made any sense for them
to have done so for all reasons previously stated and the current global situation
suggests it would benefit the global elites far more imo.....

It is also a convenient excuse for fear porn to justify spending more £'s on security
and the cyber threat and the manufactured 'war on terror' with the axis of evil
countries etc....An enemy is always needed to further the NWO globalist agendas.

RUSSIA DID IT! (Skripal case logic)

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Published on 29 Mar 2018
Judging by what the UK has offered up as evidence in the Skripal case,
the allegations were based not on proof - but on what was deemed a
'highly likely assumption'.

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No reason for Ireland to believe UK on Skripal, MPs & locals say

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUE6qOeiVIA
Published on 29 Mar 2018
While many countries have expelled Russian diplomats in solidarity with the
UK, not everyone agrees with the move. Among them, MPs in neighbouring
Ireland - which is also kicking out diplomats.We spoke to people in the Irish
capital about what they thought about the diplomatic expulsions relating to
the Skripal case.

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UK’s Fusion Doctrine ranks Russia alongside… ISIS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3Q1DFFdDH4
Published on 29 Mar 2018
Amid increased tension between the UK and Russia over the Salisbury nerve-agent
attack, Britain has adopted a new national security strategy with London now
ranking Moscow alongside Islamist terrorism on its list of main threats.

The Moss Trooper

29th March 2018, 15:18

This is the molecular formula used: C24H30N2O3

This is the molecular weight: 394.515 g/mol

The chemical name is: CARFENTANIL

The perpetrators are the German GO2

How do you know this?

I rather doubt that either the British or the perpetrators would release this information, and I rather doubt that any apparent such release that did occur could be trusted.

My guess is that either you, like the rest of us, can only go on reports you seen from others, and my hope is that you can suggest, at least in some partial way, the basis for your understanding.

:).

I will not state, here, on an open forum, as to how I know. Sorry for sounding very "cloak-and-dagger-ish", it's just the way it is.

I've just returned from a trip to the UK to tie-up some other loose-ends regarding another commonly perceived 'story' that relates to German Intelligence, and specifically an incident that took place on a May night in 1941, in which a BF110-E and my Grandfather were involved, that has direct links to what we see happening today. I will state that again: Direct links to what we see happening today, in both a Geo-Political sense and what happened to the Skripals.

I do not 'piggy-back' others research and then state it as fact, if I am stating something as fact, then it is, as to the best of my knowledge, a fact, a fact gleaned from face-to-face conversation(s), documented proof and the aligning and correlation of many other agreed-upon facts. Unfortunately, in this case, I cannot show these, hence my post is not naming names and explaining deeper understandings of what we see happening here.

I can state this, because as you will come to see the deception is extremely cleverly thought-out. When further information becomes public (or more widely known, not necessarily 'public') it will be 'shown' that the injuries and toxic effects that the Skripals displayed (I do not expect them to live, but concede I will/may be proven wrong on this point) will be the same as the many victims of the 2002 Nord-Ost Siege in Dubrovka where Fentanyl grenades were used by an SOBR unit, further 'proving' a Russian link. CARFENTANIL is 10,000 times more potent than Fentanyl, but the dosing is extremely difficult, especially in 'open-air'.

Except, this attack on the unfortunate victims, the Skripals, has absolutely nothing to do with the Russian Government, Nation, nor any of it's actors, state or otherwise.

Read this post, disregard it and forget about it. But further down the line, when further crumbs are amassed...........

This, in time, will come to pass.

Tintin

29th March 2018, 15:42

Part of the MO of all intel agencies is to lie and deceive spread propaganda and
much more as we should all know but we are expected to believe our own agencies
would not do this to their own people which is total BS. Of course the Russians like
many of the others are capable of this , but none of it has made any sense for them
to have done so for all [many - my parentheses] reasons previously stated and the current global situation
suggests it would benefit the global elites far more imo.....

It is also a convenient excuse for fear porn to justify spending more £'s on security
and the cyber threat and the manufactured 'war on terror' with the axis of evil
countries etc....An enemy is always needed to further the NWO globalist agendas.

Well, quite.

Had a conversation with an older gentleman in the local pub on Tuesday night and he told me an interesting tale of his experience with Russian nationals in London somewhat back in the day; this could have been back in the 1960s I think. He was a businessman who had also established some quite famous associations within the upper, and lower (!) echelons, from various cultures, within the society of its time.

In short he provided a little insight into a certain Russian 'style'; said that the Russians would always go about their business very discreetly and would never draw attention to themselves - it is a 'way', part of a certain culture they seem to exhibit.

Given that it is unlikely, I would have thought, that there would have been a tectonic shift in cultural behaviour and way of doing things, even after 50 or so years, one is inclined to think it extraordinarily unlikely maybe just simply based on that, that this would have been a Russian MO :beer: za tvajo zdarovje!!

Desire

29th March 2018, 16:03

I think it's a false flag. Why do the "Civilized " countries try to belittle Russia ?,for one the Russian are not into a New World Order as many in the US are.

Desire

29th March 2018, 16:21

What happened to the post I just made? Anyway I agree it's a false flag. Russia is not into the NWO as are the countries that are accusing them. I guess they better get in line or they will continue to be the target of the NWO.

Cidersomerset

29th March 2018, 17:56

In short he provided a little insight into a certain Russian 'style'; said that
the Russians would always go about their business very discreetly and would never
draw attention to themselves - it is a 'way', part of a certain culture they seem to
exhibit

Exactly that is how the classic books and movies portrayed the spy games..

Its only recently Hollywood has portrayed Russians and Maffia gangsters, thugs
gun runners or wealthy oligarchs.....

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Russian spy: Yulia Skripal conscious and talking

6 minutes ago...29/3/18

Yulia Skripal, the daughter of ex-spy Sergei Skripal, is improving
rapidly and is conscious and talking, the BBC understands.

Ms Skripal and her father were admitted nearly four weeks ago
after being exposed to a nerve agent in Salisbury.

"She has responded well to treatment but continues to receive
expert clinical care 24 hours a day," doctors said.

Mr Skripal remains in a critical but stable condition

Read More....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43588450

Ewan

29th March 2018, 18:09

As soon as the media started reporting it was likely a Russian attack on foreign soil, within 24 hrs of the news breaking, it was fairly obvious that this was disinformation - or plainly speaking, outright lies.

There will likely have been many previous examples but the first major one that comes to mind was 9/11, the next major was the the Iraq WMD. Similar stories were printed in the press prior to the outbreak of the Boer war, which was desired by a mere handful of powerful people.

This is the way of our world and the fact that so many continue to swallow the bull that gets printed/aired in our media outlets is the most crushing to hope/spirit - I speak as an individual there.

Cidersomerset

29th March 2018, 18:40

UK govt and media on Skripal case pretty
much like 2003 Iraq WMD hoax - Neil Clark

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Published on 29 Mar 2018
Journalist, writer, broadcaster and blogger Neil Clark has issued a warning:
the UK may be repeating its mistakes from 2003, when the government
used bogus intel to stir up a war. Clark added that the UK’s Skripal ' theory
has “more holes in it than a slab of swiss cheese”.
Check out http://rt.com

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Spy poisoning: Russia expels US diplomats in tit-for-tat measure
18 minutes ago

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The US Consulate in St Petersburg is to be closed

Russia has expelled 60 US diplomats and closed the country's St Petersburg
consulate in a tit-for-tat response to US action over a spy poisoning case in the UK.

The moves were announced by the Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

It comes amid a row over the nerve agent attack on a former Russian spy
and his daughter in southern England.Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia
were found unconscious on a bench in the city of Salisbury on 4 March.
More than 20 countries have expelled Russian envoys, in solidarity with the
UK, which has blamed Moscow for the attack.Russia has vehemently denied
any role. Mr Skripal remains in a critical but stable condition. His daughter's
condition is said to be improving.

read more...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43590933

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Russia to expel US diplomats, close St. Petersburg consulate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZJa9e8O8xw

Published on 29 Mar 2018..Fox News...
Russia's foreign minister says Moscow will expel the same number of diplomats
from the nations that have expelled Russian diplomats over the poisoning of an ex-
Russian spy in Britain. The 150 diplomats expelled include 60 from the US, in
addition to the closure of the US consulate in St. Petersburg.

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‘Definitely Russians’ Carried Out U.K. Nerve Agent Attack, Says Former KGB Spy | NBC News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dl684GbbAs
Published on 29 Mar 2018
“Putin likes to be feared,” Viktor Makarov told NBC News’ Richard Engel.
“Such actions can be only done with his authorization.”

Cidersomerset

30th March 2018, 02:43

A condescending report by John Sweeney from the British
propaganda corporation...

Sweeney's visit to Sputnik News - BBC Newsnight

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Published on 28 Mar 2018
Newsnight's John Sweeney goes to Edinburgh to visit Russian
alternative news channel, Sputnik. Newsnight is the BBC's
flagship news and current affairs TV programme - with analysis,
debate, exclusives, and robust interviews.

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UK escalates diplomatic hostilities against Russia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wZSAsMQm8M

Published on 29 Mar 2018
British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson blamed Russia once again for the poisoning
of Sergei Skripal, despite the fact that the OPCW investigation has not yet
concluded. Britain made lightsabers (a fantasy weapon from Star Wars) while
Russia produces chemical weapons, Johnson said. RT America’s Anya Parampil reports.

ThePythonicCow

30th March 2018, 06:02

ThePythonicCow

30th March 2018, 06:27

The BBC reports that Sergei's daughter, Yulia Skripal is conscious and talking (http://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-43588450). She is improving rapidly and no longer in a critical condition.

P.S. -- Sputnik News also reports this, at Yulia Skripal, Poisoned in UK, Reportedly Regains Consciousness, Ability to Talk (https://sputniknews.com/europe/201803291063034416-yulia-skripal-improving-rapidly/)

norman

30th March 2018, 07:50

. . .. I am a bit confused as to whether GO2 is a British agency or a German agency, or a German agency that infiltrated British MI6. . . . .

According to Shrimpton, it's 'the Germans' who have infiltrated MI6 and the Cabinet office.

I find his own involvment with British secret service a bit of a block on my taking him really seriously. He's in my mental list of a dodgy operators. I could be wrong too.

I'd like to see him and Dr Joseph Farrell have a good natter about defining "German" and defining "NAZI", and see if they can't come up with a few degrees of separation between the two. My hunch is that Shrimpton is getting them mixed up a bit, either on purpose, or because he's unhealthily obsessed.

Tintin

30th March 2018, 09:06

Michael Shrimptom, posting on Veterans Today, speculates that Sergei Skripal was attacked by the German covert GO2 intelligence organisation, headquartered at Vauxhall Cross in London. Shrimpton further speculates that this might be explained by a rumor that Colonel Skripal was about to unmask GO2’s role in producing the dodgy dossier on Donald Trump has any substance.

Shrimpton's article is at It Wasn’t Russia! (Veterans Today) (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/03/17/it-wasnt-russia/).

In my brief research just now, it seems that "GO2" stands for "General Operations 2", and is some sort of covert intelligence agency, with offices in Vauxhall Cross, London. I am a bit confused as to whether GO2 is a British agency or a German agency, or a German agency that infiltrated British MI6.

I am a bit intrigued by the idea, as suggested by Shrimpton's comments, that Sergei Skripal became a liability (perhaps because he knew too much) to the "criminalist" (as Christopher Story would say) activity of the Bush, Clinton, Obama, Rockefeller, Soros, et al criminal syndicate, that is currently under threat of further exposure, loss of some key power positions and loss of some financial assets.

Michael Shrimpton himself survived a similar assassination attempt, some years ago, and Christopher Story succumbed to such an attempt.

Yes, I saw this article a few days ago and held off sharing it only because I am a little uncertain whether Mr Shrimpton is totally reliable. But, it's a great article and much of it has a ring of truth and likelihood.

However, and he has made the point before (see Miles Johnston's 'Bases' Dublin from 2017 where Michael Shrimpton does a presentation on the DVD = German Intelligence) certainly concerning the Grenfell Tower incident as well, that the DVD operate very clandestinely; are very much a reality; as so little is known about them publicly they are largely unheard of; that, of course, following WW2 Germany would not have stopped doing their own intelligence work - quite the opposite in fact: this is plain simple common sense.

Ingenious when you think about it. Everyone can rush, as they usually naively seem to do, and blame the CIA for everything, which isn't necessarily the case is it.

ThePythonicCow

30th March 2018, 09:11

Yes, I saw this article a few days ago and held off sharing it only because I am a little uncertain whether Mr Shrimpton is totally reliable. But, it's a great article and much of it has a ring of truth and likelihood.
Agreed - on both counts. I don't trust Shrimpton all that much, but his story sounds a step closer to the truth to me than the official story.

Certainly this can be a very "interesting" time for those who have specific, detailed, incriminating knowledge of particular crimes committed by the more powerful, dangerous, criminals on this planet.

Ignorance is bliss, as they say :).

Cidersomerset

30th March 2018, 12:00

Another good conversation that suggests this is all about a geo political reset
and brings up what I suspected straight away in the timing.... Brexit , need
for an enemy for the mil ind complex's , Strengthen NATO ties or possible internal
Russian émigré spat with in the UK.....

What does not make sense is Russia did it with the world cup imminent and the
recent elections though the western spin was it was Putin trying to look tough....

CrossTalk on Anti-Russia Hysteria: Crisis Point?

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Published on 30 Mar 2018
The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming! For well over the last year and
a half this is the message western audiences have been served up 24/7. What is
behind this hysteria? What does this message aim to achieve? How is Russia
supposed to react? Importantly, are we facing a possible conflict?

CrossTalking with Lord Richard Balfe, Lee Stranahan, and John Laughland.

mountain_jim

30th March 2018, 14:53

Sorry if posted but good Summary article today

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-30/salisbury-incident-report-hard-evidence-soft-minds

Salisbury Incident Report: Hard Evidence For Soft Minds

The UK government’s presentation on the Salisbury incident, which was repeatedly cited in recent days as an “ultimate proof” of Russia’s involvement into Skripal’s assassination attempt, was made public earlier today.

This 6-paged PDF is a powerful evidence of another intellectual low of British propaganda machine. Open it and you can tell that substantially it makes only two assertions on the Skripal case, and both are false:

Cidersomerset

30th March 2018, 16:56

Russia to close US consulate in St. Petersburg &
expel 60 diplomats as Washington did – Lavrov

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Published on 29 Mar 2018
Russia will expel sixty US diplomats and close the US consulate in St. Petersburg,
in a response mirroring the mass expulsion of Russian diplomats initiated by the
US and UK, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said. READ MORE: https://on.rt.com/9268

Cidersomerset

30th March 2018, 18:29

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Spy poisoning: Russia escalates spy row with new expulsions
2 hours ago...30/3/18

Russia has announced further measures against UK diplomats
while at the same time declaring tit-for-tat expulsions of officials
from 23 other countries.

It has told the British ambassador to cut staffing to the size of
the Russian mission in the UK.Moscow has rejected UK accusations
that it is behind the nerve agent attack on an ex-spy and his
daughter in the UK.

read more..http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43596812

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Assange Silenced For Exposing UK False Flag
- ALEX JONES INFOWARS

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Published on 30 Mar 2018

Eric J (Viking)

30th March 2018, 19:11

Here's a report on the improvement in Yulia Skripal's health. This lady is now said to be recovering rapidly. It's revealed that the original diagnosis was a possible overdose of fentanyl, an opioid painkiller. It will be interesting to see the fallout that's generated when the real story is presented.

www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=168018

(Article from Moon of Alabama.)

Regards,

K
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http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=168018

By Moon of Alabama on March 30, 2018
Moon of Alabama — March 29, 2018

It seems that the ‘Novichok’ fairy-tale the British government plays to us provides for a happy ending – the astonishing and mysterious resurrection of the victims of a “military grade” “five to eight times more deadly than VX gas” “nerve agent” “of a type developed by” Hollywood.

Happy Easter!

Yulia Skripal no longer in critical condition, say Salisbury doctors

The condition of Yulia Skripal, who was poisoned with a nerve agent in Salisbury along with her father, is improving rapidly, doctors have said.

Salisbury NHS foundation trust said on Thursday the 33-year-old was no longer in a critical condition, describing her medical state as stable.

Christine Blanshard, medical director for Salisbury district hospital, said: “I’m pleased to be able to report an improvement in the condition of Yulia Skripal. She has responded well to treatment but continues to receive expert clinical care 24 hours a day.”
…
Her father’s condition is still described by the hospital as critical but stable.

Only yesterday the Skripals chances to survive was claimed to be 1 out of 99. Nerve agents are deadly weapons. A dose of ten milligram of the U.S. developed VX nerve agent will kill 50% of those exposed to it. The ‘Novichok’ agents are said to be several times more deadly than VX.

It seems less and less likely that the British government claim about ‘Novichok’ poisoning is actually true. Way more likely are other explanations, for example food poisoning or an allergic shock soon after eating out at a fish restaurant.

Viking

Cidersomerset

31st March 2018, 12:58

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Russian spy: UK considers request to visit Yulia Skripal

1 hour ago...31/3/18

A request by the Russian Embassy to visit Yulia Skripal
in hospital is being considered by the UK government.
The UK holds Russia responsible for the poisoning of Ms
Skripal and her father, ex-spy Sergei Skripal, by a nerve
agent in Salisbury on 4 March.

The Russian Embassy in London says it "insists on the
right to see" Ms Skripal, who is a Russian citizen.The
rights and wishes of Ms Skripal will be taken into
account, the UK said.The Foreign Office said it would
consider Russia's request in line with its obligations
under international and domestic law.

The BBC understands Ms Skripal, 33, is now conscious
and talking.Salisbury District Hospital has said that she
was no longer in a critical condition, adding that her
father, 66, remained critically ill but stable.

read more.....

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Hervé

31st March 2018, 18:57

Why did former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton order diplomats to suppress 'novichok' discussions? (http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/clinton-state-department-discouraged-novichok-discussion.html)

Moon of Alabama (http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/clinton-state-department-discouraged-novichok-discussion.html)
Sat, 31 Mar 2018 17:10 UTC

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© Kevin Lamarque/Reuters

While the last act of the 'Novichok' drama, the seasonally appropriate resurrection of the Skripals (http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/she-is-risen-last-act-of-novichok-drama-revealed-the-skripals-resurrection.html), proceeds, some additional details of the history of 'Novichok' nerve agents come to light.

Details on 'Novichok' nerve agents were published in a 2007 book by Vil Mirzayanaov, a Soviet scientist offered asylum in the United States.

After the publication the U.S. and the UK actively suppressed international discussions about the book and the 'Novichok' chemical weapon agents. Documents from the U.S. State Department published by Wikileaks show that then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton directed her diplomats to not talk about Novichok and to play down the matter should it arise in chemical weapon control talks.

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© U. S. State Departyment

The so called 'Novichok' group of nerve agents were developed (http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/russian-scientists-explain-novichok-high-time-for-britain-to-come-clean.html) in the 1970s and 80s by Pyotr Kirpichev and Vladimir Uglev under a Soviet program codenamed 'Foilant'.

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Later on the development group handed the project off to Professor Leonid Rink for further developments of the substances into binary agents (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_chemical_weapon) which would make them usable as military weapons. But the Soviet Union broke down and stopped paying its scientists. Rink secretly produced (http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/russian-scientists-explain-novichok-high-time-for-britain-to-come-clean.html) a small dosage of one of the Novichok agents and sold it to a Latvian mafia contact. In 1995 the poison was used to kill a Russian mobster kingpin/banker and his secretary in Moscow. Rink produced several more doses and sold them. Their whereabouts are unknown but such substances are supposedly unstable and they will likely have lost their effect.

Another scientist at those laboratories, the chemical analyst Vil Mirzayanov was tasked with detecting environmental and security leaks from the laboratories. He knew of the 'Foliant' program and the developed 'Novichok' agents. In the early 1990s he blew the whistle about them, was harassed by the state and in 1996 was allowed to go to the United States. There he spilled his beans (http://web.archive.org/web/20180314200136/www.files.ethz.ch/isn/105521/report17.pdf) (pdf) and told the U.S. whatever he knew.

In 1997 the Russian Federation and other states of the former Soviet Union joined the Chemical Weapons Convention and destroyed their chemical weapon stocks and production facilities. One production and test facility for the 'Novichok' agents was in Nukus, Uzbekistan. In 1999 the U.S. helped (http://www.nytimes.com/1999/05/25/world/us-and-uzbeks-agree-on-chemical-arms-plant-cleanup.html) to dismantle that facility. It surely acquired additional knowledge about everything that was produced there.

In 2008 Mirzayanov published a book (https://www.amazon.com/State-Secrets-Insiders-Chronicle-Chemical/dp/1432725661) about his story and the chemical agents developed under the 'Foilant' program. The book included the chemical formulas of the agents.

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Today Mirzayanov lives in a million dollar (https://twitter.com/dgaytandzhieva/status/973938123221676033) home in Princeton, New Jersey.

The book created new interest in the international community of chemical weapon scientists. People involved with the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC) and the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) were highly interested in this. Was there really a new '4th generation' of chemical weapons that could be easily made from freely available industrial precursors? Naturally the U.S. diplomats involved in the arms control efforts and in the OPCW were asked about this.

U.S. State Department documents published by Wikileaks provide that the U.S. and the UK tried to suppress any discussion of the book. (A big thank you to Stephen McIntyre (https://twitter.com/ClimateAudit/status/979768829969485824) of Climate Audit (https://climateaudit.org/) who found (https://twitter.com/ClimateAudit/status/979768829969485824) these cables.)

From these U.S. State Department cables we learn of several meetings in March and April 2009, shortly after Mirzayanov's 'Novichok' book came out, where the issue was discussed. U.S. diplomats at The Hague asked the CIA, the National Security Council and the State Department how to react to questions about Mirzayanov's book:
CWC: INQUIRIES IN THE HAGUE ABOUT MIRZAYANOV "STATE SECRETS" BOOK (https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09THEHAGUE205_a.html)
2. (S) On March 25, in a private conversation, Canadian delegate asked U.S. and UK Delreps whether they had heard of the Mirzayanov book "State Secrets: An Insider's View of the Russian Chemical Weapons Program." Canadian Rep added that Mirzayanov now appeared on YouTube. UK Rep acknowledged she had heard of it, but said this was the first time she had heard of "novichoks" and thought the entire discussion was best left to experts in capital. U.S. Delrep indicated a lack of familiarity with the subject matter and indicated no interest in pursuing the discussion further.

3. (S) On March 4, Delrep met with U.S. Rep to the OPCW Data Validation Group. In addition to a routine report on the activities of the Validation Group the week of March 2, U.S. Rep informed Delrep that representatives of several countries (Finland, Netherlands, UK) had begun discussing the Mirzayanov book on the margins of the meeting. All participants in the discussion seemed to be simply gauging the level of awareness; these same individuals also expressed some doubt as to the credibility/accuracy of the information in the book. U.S. Rep to the Validation Group confirmed that no other members of the group took part in or were listening to this conversation.

4. (S) Del Note: U.S. Del understands from OSD that the UK Ministry of Defense has spoken to its counterparts in the Netherlands and Finland, apprised them of the conversation, and asked each country to provide guidance to its del members not/not to raise this issue in the future. End Note.
(The (S) denote these paragraphs as "Secret".)
On March 2 delegates from Finland, the Netherlands and the UK discussed the book. Afterwards the UK Ministry of Defense asked the other governments to "shut the f*** up" about it. In a March 25 meeting a Canadian delegate came up with questions about the book. The U.S. and the UK delegate played dumb. The U.S. delegate then asks how to handle the issue in future meetings:
5. (S) Action Request: As the implications of this book for the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC) are likely to come up at future OPCW meetings (particularly technical meetings like the upcoming Scientific Advisory Board meeting 30 March - 1 April 2009), Del requests guidance as to how this issue is to be handled if raised by others. U.S. members of OPCW technical advisory bodies do not necessarily have contact with the U.S. delegation during their time in The Hague; guidance will need to be provided directly to these individuals. The requested guidance came in a message from the State Department on April 3:
AUSTRALIA GROUP: GUIDANCE FOR INFORMAL INTERSESSIONAL MEETING IN LONDON, APRIL 6-7, 2009 (https://search.wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09STATE32931_a.html)

(The Australia Group (http://www.australiagroup.net/en/) is an informal U.S. led group of 'western' countries which harmonizes export controls of materials related to weapons of mass destruction.)
1. (U) This message provides guidance for the U.S. delegation to the Australia Group's informal intersessional meeting in London on April 6-7, 2009. The guidance lists five "objectives" for the meeting. The fifth one is:
-- Avoid any substantive discussion of the Mirazayanov book "State Secrets: An Insider's View of the Russian Chemical Weapons Program" or so-called 'Fourth Generation Agents.' Further down it details:
7. (C) If AG participants raise the issue of Vils Mirazayonov's book "State Secrets: An Insider's View of the Russian Chemical Weapons Program," the Del should:

-- Report any instances in which the book is raised.

-- Not/not start or provoke conversations about the book or engage substantively if it comes up in conversation.

-- Express a lack of familiarity with the issue.

-- Quietly discourage substantive discussions by suggesting that the issue is 'best left to experts in capitals.'

CLINTON The follow-up U.S. delegation report (https://search.wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08THEHAGUE876_a.html) after the meeting of the Australia Group does not mention 'Novichok' or the book. The issue was kept off the table.

The above is not the only (http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/spy-posions-spy-and-the-anti-trump-campaign.html) involvement of "CLINTON" in the 'Novichok' and Skripal affair. The Hillary Clinton presidential campaign paid the British company Orbis to create the 'dirty dossier' about Trump and his alleged connections to Russia. Christopher Steele, a former(?) MI6 agent, and his former(?) MI6 colleague Pablo Miller wrote the dossier, claiming that its information came from Russian sources. Pablo Miller was the MI6 agent who had recruited (https://meduza.io/en/feature/2018/03/06/a-hundred-grand-and-hundreds-of-betrayed-agents) Sergej Skripal as a spy for the UK. Miller lives in Salisbury where Sergej Skripal lives and where he and his daughter were allegedly attacked with a 'Novichok' nerve agent. Miller was a friend of Sergej Skripal and regularly met him. It is quite possible that some of the shoddy rumors in the Steele dossier were sourced from Skripal or from his daughter Yulia. The incident in Salisbury could well be related to the dossier or other dubiously alleged (https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/opinion/why-the-cambridge-analytica-scandal-could-be-much-more-serious-than-you-think/27/03/) campaign issues.

It is intriguing that the U.S. and the UK tried to downplay any discussion of 'Novichoks' and the book. Why did they do so?

Until 2016 the OPCW's Scientific Advisory Board (SAB) as well as scientists at the UK weapon laboratory in Porton Down sowed doubts (https://timhayward.wordpress.com/2018/03/14/urgent-communication-questions-to-be-addressed-regarding-novichoks/) about the very existence of 'Novichoks'. We fell for this when we asked (http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/theresa-mays-novichok-claims-fall-apart.html) if 'Novichocks' exist at all. Until late 2016 the OPCW did not list the substances and their precursors. This was no oversight but intent. Active U.S. suppression efforts against any mentioning of 'Novichoks' in the OPCW already occurred in 2006 (https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06THEHAGUE450_a.html):
7. (C) Drawing on the points provided in reftel, del rep met with delegates from the UK (Mark Matthews), Switzerland (Ruth flint), Austria (Hans Schramml) and Czech Republic (Jitka Brodska) to discuss the recent ill-considered comments made by Scientific Advisory Board Chairman Matousek to the Western Group. All of the delegates appreciated the clarification that the U.S. did not develop or weaponize NGA, including "Novichoks." They also agreed with the U.S. that it is a bad idea to have a discussion on whether to add NGAs to the CWC Schedules of Chemicals. Finally, they all also stated that they had not heard of any interest by any delegation in pursuing such an effort, and the issue has not/not resurfaced in WEOG. Jiri Matousek, a Czech scientist leading the SAB, was told to shut up. A U.S. diplomat contacted the Czech government and later reported his success. The headline of his cable is telling: MTAG: CZECHS MUZZLE ADVISORY BOARD CHAIRMAN ON NEXT GENERATION AGENTS (https://search.wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06PRAGUE319_a.html).

It is clear now that the professed ignorance of the OPCW about 'Novichocks' was a consequences of U.S. and British pressure to discourage any discussion of the issue.

In 2016 a group of Iranian scientists synthesized five 'Novichok' substances (http://www.spectroscopynow.com/details/ezine/1591ca249b2/Iranian-chemists-identify-Russian-chemical-warfare-agents.html?tzcheck=1,1,1,1,1&&tzcheck=1&tzcheck=1&tzcheck=1). It devised ways to detect them. The results were published and added to the OPCW database.

The British government insinuates that Russia is the only country that could make 'Novichok' agents and must therefore have attacked the Skripals. This is obviously nonsense. The U.S. and the UK were deeply involved in the 'Novichok' issue. They certainly tried and succeeded to re-create these substances. After the formulas of the nerve agents were published by Mirzayanov the U.S. and the UK suppressed discussion of the issue. The OPCW professed to know nothing about them. Only after Iranian scientists independently re-created the agents and published about them were they added to the OPCW database.

Three questions come to mind which the U.S. and British government should be pressed to answer:

Why did the Clinton State Department and the British government suppress international talks about the 'Novichok' agents?

Why did they try, successfully it seems, to keep the issue out of the OPCW's Scientific Advisory Board?

Why were the substances kept out of the OPCW database until independent Iranian scientists finally re-created them?

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Sometimes... one wonders why the "world" is so small... while one keeps running into the same people, over and over again...

downliner

31st March 2018, 20:53

For me this all boils down to the question everyone should be asking.

And it's not what, who, where, when or how but instead why?

Why a retired spy and his daughter were poisoned with a chemical agent that according to sources could only be created by Russia?
The spy in question was extradited and exonerated of his past indifference's with Russia so again why?

You could easily attribute this to something that happened not too long ago where Assad was accused of Gassing his own people resulting in the deaths of 80 or so of civilians but again why?

Why would Assad go through the tirade of media bull**** from the west as a result of supposedly killing 80 of his own people? What was the motivation?

Same goes for Russia. If the Russians were so intent on attempting to murder a 6 year retired spy why would they even use Novichok? Surely being a Russian nerve agent that would clearly point the finger back at Russia so why not another nerve agent that implicated one of their enemies?

So anyway back to the question why. My theory is that this was an attempt by a western power (possibly the US in collaboration with the UK) to discredit a President in Russia who enjoys an 80% approval rating from his people. So why would the west even attempt this?

Well it can't have escaped anyone's attention that Russia is in the process of creating Nord Stream 2 which is the gas pipeline that connects Russia with Europe and should that deal go through it means the current deal will be dropped and who does that affect?

I think this was an attempt to convince the EU that Russia is responsible in order to jeopardise the pipeline deal however that's not exactly how it went down when the British incompetents in power presented this circumstantial evidence to the European Board in the hopes the UN and EU would approve the triggering of Article 5 which puts severe sanctions on Russias trade routes.

Of course the US agreed with whatever the UK said which suggests that despite the history books telling us the battle of 1776 was for independence from British Rule they never actually achieved that sought after freedom or they did but the venomous Rothschild Family brought them right back under British Rule. After all if you check the alternative history you'll see the Rothschild Family set up and funded the Rockefeller Family so they had access to both Governments on either side of the ocean.

However the rest of the EU and even UN security counsel rightly agreed that circumstantial evidence is not enough to just say 'THE RUSSIANS DID IT' and so Article 5 was never triggered.

As usual the UK media went to town on this and just like they did with Corbyn and terrorist connections they immediately swayed towards the Russians are to blame narrative.

Thankfully the UK are not as stupid as they were prior to the 9/11 attack that spurred on the Iraq War and just blaming the Russians with no evidence is just not going to fly anymore (no pun intended)

This also leads me to the the next point. So many people in the UK believe that the US has the UK Government on a leash but given the events of the last 2 years i am inclined to think maybe it's the other way around.
Blair pairs up with Bush to push the notion that there were Weapons of Mass Destruction in the Middle East of which i have no doubt there is however the British and US were looking in the wrong place. They should've been pushing Israel to finally sign the non proliferation of Nuclear Weapons treaty (which they have refused to do to this day) but instead they were trying once again to get a Central Bank in Afghanistan whilst removing its leader to be replaced with a Western Shill.

Then we have Obama coming to the UK to tell the people they would be "back of the queue" with the US if they decided to leave.
Aside from the fact that in the US the correct phrase would be "back of the line" which suggests this was a script given to Obama by Downing Street.

So to finish this reply we know why the Western Governments would falsify an attack in order to blame the Russians but are the Russians really stupid enough to take out a retired spy of no consequence using a nerve agent rumoured to be only obtainable in Russia?

Sad thing is we have seem similar things like this throughout history yet nobody has the gall to say "hang on a sec. You want me to believe you yet you give me nothing to prove it so why should i believe you?"

Follow the money.
Most importantly learn from the massive war crime of Iraq and don't believe a Politician. After all these are merely the Public Relations officers for the real control.

Hervé

31st March 2018, 22:03

Now that we know that Killary was keeping the NGA (Nerve Gas Agent) Novichok under wraps (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102079-Sergei-Skripal-who-was-behind-the-Salisbury-poisoning&p=1217570&viewfull=1#post1217570) so as to conceal a US-UK production of such while keeping alive the notion that it's a Russian invention, the "why" is easy to reconstruct as an "Iraq WMD version 3.0" to frame Syria or Iran and/or Russia or all three of them in one fell swoop.

Needless to say that this planet dodged more than a bullet when she lost the elections... more like a Tsar Bomba (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba).

Cidersomerset

2nd April 2018, 14:49

This episode is mainly about the Salisbury psyop.....

CrossTalk Bullhorns: Tit-for-tat (Extended version)

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Published on 2 Apr 2018
Trump says he wants out of Syria. Apparently not everyone in his administration
got that memo. Also, the latest twists and turns in the alleged poisoning controversy
in the UK. And, RT is again being targeted.

CrossTalking with Mark Sleboda, Dmitry Babich, and Victor Olevich.

https://youtu.be/ZhVaSWYcdyQ Yes, Prime Minister - Expel Russian diplomats

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Russian spy: Sergei Lavrov accuses West of 'children's games'
2 hours ago..2/3/18

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Mr Lavrov also suggested last month's poisoning could be in the interests of the British government

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has accused the UK and Western partners of
playing "children's games" in their response to the poisoning of ex-spy Sergei
Skripal and his daughter.He accused countries of "disregarding all accepted
behaviour" and resorting to "open lies and disinformation".

Twenty-nine nations have expelled diplomats over the poisoning, which the UK
holds Russia responsible for.Mr Lavrov also issued fresh denials at the news
conference on Monday.He made the comments in response to a question by the
BBC's Steve Rosenberg about how dangerous growing tensions were between
Russia and the West in comparison with the Cold War.

"In the classic Cold War," Sergei Lavrov said, "there were rules and accepted
behaviour".

"I think our Western partners, I think firstly Great Britain and the USA and a few
other countries that blindly follow them, have disregarded all the accepted
behaviour."

read more....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43619362

Cidersomerset

2nd April 2018, 18:09

Cidersomerset

3rd April 2018, 00:11

History repeats itself every generation or so and Yes minister seems like yesterday
but is over a generation old now and has many political gems like this

Yes Prime Minister - Official Secrets - Expelling the Russians

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This is classic spin and counter spin , problem reaction solution....

Russia placing new blame for ex-spy's poisoning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSwLfrNsuLI

CNN..Published on 2 Apr 2018
Russia continues to deny having any involvement in the poisoning of former
Russian spy Sergei Skripal as the Russian Embassy in the UK releases tweets
pointing the finger at other countries. CNN's Matthew Chance reports.

Billy

3rd April 2018, 02:42

I apologize if already posted. Could this be a repeat where Sergei Skripal is concerned?

French counter-terror boss says Putin didn't kill Litvinenko, US and UK did - and he has proof.

A former French official who has had senior roles in internal security and terror fighting has come forward with a remarkable statement: that he has documentary evidence proving that Alexander Litvinenko, the Russian spy who died from polonium poisoning, was killed by US and UK special services.

In a lengthy interview which is soon to be published, he goes further, saying that Litvinenko's murder was a special sevices operation designed to defame Russia and Vladimir Putin, that the notorious Russian oligarch Boris Berezovsky was involved, and was himself killed by MI6 when he became a liability. He even says he knows the code name of the operation: "Beluga".

From Oped News, Monday, March 27:
Operation Beluga: A US-UK Plot to Discredit Putin and Destabilize the Russian Federation

Renowned French security expert Paul Barril has let loose a bombshell: the existence of Operation Beluga, a covert Western intelligence scheme intended to undermine Russia and its leaders.

Is that what's behind much of the threatening rhetoric now going back and forth between the US and Russia?

Barril exposed Operation Beluga in a recent interview with Swiss businessman Pascal Najadi on the 2006 Alexander Litvinenko death case. Litvinenko was a reputed former spy who many believe was murdered with radioactive polonium on orders of Vladimir Putin.

Najadi says the interview drew out the converse revelation that Litvinenko was actually killed by "an Italian who administered the deadly polonium 210." What's more, he astonishingly says, the operation was carried out under the auspices of the US and UK.

Read more here.

https://www.sott.net/article/315425-French-counter-terror-boss-says-Putin-didnt-kill-Litvinenko-US-and-UK-did-and-he-has-proof

[From Hervé: It maybe this one: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102079-Sergei-Skripal-who-was-behind-the-Salisbury-poisoning&p=1217213&viewfull=1#post1217213
French “supercop” Paul Barril interviewed about anti-Russian false flag operations (http://thesaker.is/french-supercop-paul-barril-interviewed-about-anti-russian-false-flag-operations/)

The Saker
March 28, 2018 ]

norman

3rd April 2018, 09:29

14 Key Question Russia Demand UK Government Answer

The Kev Baker Show
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Published on 2 Apr 2018
Russia are demanding the UK government answer 14
questions in relation to the alleged nerve agent attack
on Sergei Skripal & his daughter on British soil.

The 14 questions . . .

Why has Russia been denied the right of consular access to the two Russian citizens, who came to harm on British territory?
What specific antidotes and in what form were the victims injected with? How did such antidotes come into the possession of British doctors at the scene of the incident?
On what grounds was France involved in technical cooperation in the investigation of the incident, in which Russian citizens were injured?
Did the UK notify the OPCW (Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons) of France’s involvement in the investigation of the Salisbury incident?
What does France have to do with the incident, involving two Russian citizens in the UK?
What rules of UK procedural legislation allow for the involvement of a foreign state in an internal investigation?
What evidence was handed over to France to be studied and for the investigation to be conducted?
Were the French experts present during the sampling of biomaterial from Sergei and Yulia Skripal?
Was the study of biomaterials from Sergei and Yulia Skripal conducted by the French experts and, if so, in which specific laboratories?
Does the UK have the materials involved in the investigation carried out by France?
Have the results of the French investigation been presented to the OPCW Technical Secretariat?
Based on what attributes was the alleged “Russian origin” of the substance used in Salisbury established?
Does the UK have control samples of the chemical warfare agent, which British representatives refer to as “Novichok”?
Have the samples of a chemical warfare agent of the same type as “Novichok” (in accordance to British terminology) or its analogues been developed in the UK?

https://www.thesiriusreport.com/analysis-opinion/russia-demands-answers-uk-skripal/

Cidersomerset

3rd April 2018, 16:36

Skripal provocation aimed at increasing NATO military budget’ – Russian deputy FM

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RT...Published on 3 Apr 2018
Moscow does not rule out that the poisoning of former double agent Sergei
Skripal in Britain was designed to justify the growing defense spending of
NATO, among other reasons, media quoted Russian Deputy Foreign Minister
Aleksander Grushko as saying Tuesday.

Cidersomerset

3rd April 2018, 19:53

Unidentified: UK lab cannot confirm used on Skripals was made in Russia

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Published on 3 Apr 2018
UK scientists have been unable to prove Russia made the nerve agent A-234 (also
known as "Novichok") which was used to poison Sergei and Yulia Skripal in Salisbury.

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Russian spy: Source of nerve agent 'not identified'

1 hour ago....4/3/18

The precise source of the nerve agent used to poison a Russian ex-spy and his
daughter has not been verified, says the head of Porton Down laboratory.
The defence research facility, which identified the substance in Salisbury as
Novichok, said it was likely to have been deployed by a "state actor".

The UK said further intelligence led to its belief that Russia was responsible.
Russia's president has said he hopes a line can be drawn when the chemical
weapons watchdog meets on Wednesday.Expressing surprise at the "pace" of what
he described as an "anti-Russia campaign", Vladimir Putin added that Russia wants
to be part of the investigation and hopes "a line can be drawn under" the incident.

Porton Down's chief executive Gary Aitkenhead dismissed Russian claims it might
have come from the UK military laboratory."We have not identified the precise
source, but we have provided the scientific info to [the] government who have then
used a number of other sources to piece together the conclusions," Mr Aitkenhead
said."It is our job to provide the scientific evidence of what this particular nerve
agent is - we identified that it is from this particular family and that it is a military
grade, but it is not our job to say where it was manufactured."

A UK government spokesperson said that identifying the substance at Porton Down
was "only one part of the intelligence picture". It maintained Russia was
responsible, adding there was "no other plausible explanation".

read more...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43633694

Tintin

4th April 2018, 12:52

From Craig Murray's site earlier today (linked here: Johnson and May Hide as their Lies Dissolve)

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Johnson and May Hide as their Lies Dissolve

4 Apr, 2018 in Uncategorized by craig |

“...extremely sophisticated methods to create , something probably only within the capabilities of a state actor.”

The government has attempted to control the narrative by finally admitting, as they have known for three weeks and just ahead of the OPCW experts coming out and saying so, that there is no evidence the substance used in the Salisbury attack was made in Russia. You can see the interview with the Chief Executive Officer of Porton Down only in this tweet from Sky here:

#Salisbury attack (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Salisbury?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw): Scientists have not been able to prove that Russia made the nerve agent used in the spy poisoning. Porton Down lab's chief exec reveals the details in this interview https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/981190172925616128/video/1

— Sky News (@SkyNews) April 3, 2018

If anyone can make a copy and send me, or make a safe permanent posting I can link to, I should be grateful (contact button top right). Only a very short clip is on Sky’s website and I am anxious to preserve it for reasons I shall explain.
In modern Tory Britain, it should be no surprise to anybody that, to be the Chief Executive of Britain’s chemical weapons establishment, they recruited a radio salesman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prHoy-BP5W4

Aitkenhead’s PR skills were clearly thought sufficient to get across the government’s key propaganda points, and his struggle to do this throughout the Sky interview is telling. Aitkenhead has been in an extremely difficult position for the past three weeks, standing between his scientists who are adamant they will not say the substance was made in Russia, and the government who have been pushing extremely hard for them to do so.

At 5 mins 30 sec into this interview Boris Johnson directly lies about what Porton Down had told him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZgGujo2h3A

It is very plain that what Aitkenhead is saying to Sky is “the scientists cannot establish it is from Russia. But the government claims to have intelligence sources that show that it is.” His struggle to fit the formulations he has been given to parrot this sense as more effective propaganda, into answers to the pretty good questions he is being asked, is almost comic: “ummm” and “errr” come into it a lot. You have to remember that the precise forms of words to be used in official parlance had been the subject of tense negotiation between the scientists and the Porton Down bureaucrats, and then between the Porton Down bureaucrats and MOD Whitehall officials, and then between MOD officials and FCO and security service officials in the Joint Intelligence Committee, before being signed off by ministers. It is a process I know intimately from the inside. This reconciliation of conflicting interests is why at the start Aitkenhead says it is “Novichok” confidently, but at 1 min 30 sec in he says the more truthful “Novichok or from that family”, which accords with the evidence Porton Down gave to the High Court.

But the key moment comes at 3 min 27 secs in. Aitkenhead’s government minders were evidently unhappy with the interview, and the last passage is a statement, not in answer to any question, of the government’s propaganda position which is a very bad edit and clearly tacked on after the interview had finished. They get the continuity wrong – it is not only a wider shot, the camera and tripod have clearly been moved. It is in this final statement that, in a desperate last minute attempt to implicate Russia, Aitkenhead states that making this nerve agent required

“...extremely sophisticated methods to create , something probably only within the capabilities of a state actor.”

Very strangely, Sky News only give the briefest clip of the interview on this article on their website (https://news.sky.com/story/porton-down-experts-unable-to-identify-precise-source-of-novichok-that-poisoned-spy-11315387) reporting it. And the report is highly tendentious: for example it states:

However, he confirmed the substance required “extremely sophisticated methods to create, something only in the capabilities of a state actor”.

Deleting the “probably” is a piece of utterly tendentious journalism by Sky’s Paul Kelso. Interestingly, I have never seen such large scale and coordinated social media activity by the Tories as kicked into action immediately following Aitkenhead’s interview. Hundreds of openly identified Tory activists sprang into action using the “state actor” line – omitting the probably – and “government has other sources” line.

The BBC contribution was completely to ignore the Porton Down statement and pretend nothing had happened. As part of what was clearly a coordinated PR strategy to pre-empt the OPCW and get over the hurdle of government lies while still blaming Russia, Boris Johnson and Theresa May simply lay low, unavailable to the media.

I shall post shortly a considered assessment of the wider analysis of what could have happened in Salibury. Here is my immediate reaction to Aitkenhead’s statement on Russia Today. Strangely the BBC did not invite me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnEQxnYFLnw
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onawah

4th April 2018, 15:52

Hillary Clinton Ordered Diplomats to Suppress 'Novichok' Discussions
EDITOR'S CHOICE | 02.04.2018
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2018/04/02/hillary-clinton-ordered-diplomats-suppress-novichok-discussions.html

While the last act of the 'Novichok' drama, the seasonally appropriate resurrection of the Skripals, proceeds, some additional details of the history of 'Novichok' nerve agents come to light.

Details on 'Novichok' nerve agents were published in a 2007 book by Vil Mirzayanaov, a Soviet scientist offered asylum in the United States.

After the publication the U.S. and the UK actively suppressed international discussions about the book and the 'Novichok' chemical weapon agents. Documents from the U.S. State Department published by Wikileaks show that then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton directed her diplomats to not talk about Novichok and to play down the matter should it arise in chemical weapon control talks.

The so called 'Novichok' group of nerve agents were developed in the 1970s and 80s by Pyotr Kirpichev and Vladimir Uglev under a Soviet program codenamed 'Foliant'.
http://www.moonofalabama.org/images6/novichok.jpg
Later on the development group handed the project off to Professor Leonid Rink for further developments of the substances into binary agents which would make them usable as military weapons. But the Soviet Union broke down and stopped paying its scientists. Rink secretly produced a small dosage of one of the Novichok agents and sold it to a Latvian mafia contact. In 1995 the poison was used to kill a Russian mobster kingpin/banker and his secretary in Moscow. Rink produced several more doses and sold them. Their whereabouts are unknown but such substances are supposedly unstable and they will likely have lost their effect.

Another scientist at those laboratories, the chemical analyst Vil Mirzayanov was tasked with detecting environmental and security leaks from the laboratories. He knew of the 'Foliant' program and the developed 'Novichok' agents. In the early 1990s he blew the whistle about them, was harassed by the state and in 1996 was allowed to go to the United States. There he spilled his beans (pdf) and told the U.S. whatever he knew.

In 1997 the Russian Federation and other states of the former Soviet Union joined the Chemical Weapons Convention and destroyed their chemical weapon stocks and production facilities. One production and test facility for the 'Novichok' agents was in Nukus, Uzbekistan. In 1999 the U.S. helped to dismantle that facility. It surely acquired additional knowledge about everything that was produced there.

In 2008 Mirzayanov published a book about his story and the chemical agents developed under the 'Foliant' program. The book included the chemical formulas of the agents.
http://www.moonofalabama.org/images6/novichokbook4.jpg
Today Mirzayanov lives in a million dollar home in Princeton, New Jersey.

The book created new interest in the international community of chemical weapon scientists. People involved with the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC) and the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) were highly interested in this. Was there really a new '4th generation' of chemical weapons that could be easily made from freely available industrial precursors? Naturally the U.S. diplomats involved in the arms control efforts and in the OPCW were asked about this.

U.S. State Department documents published by Wikileaks provide that the U.S. and the UK tried to suppress any discussion of the book. (A big thank you to Stephen McIntyre of Climate Audit who found these cables.)

From these U.S. State Department cables we learn of several meetings in March and April 2009, shortly after Mirzayanov's 'Novichok' book came out, where the issue was discussed. U.S. diplomats at The Hague asked the CIA, the National Security Council and the State Department how to react to questions about Mirzayanov's book:

CWC: INQUIRIES IN THE HAGUE ABOUT MIRZAYANOV "STATE SECRETS" BOOK

2. (S) On March 25, in a private conversation, Canadian delegate asked U.S. and UK Delreps whether they had heard of the Mirzayanov book "State Secrets: An Insider's View of the Russian Chemical Weapons Program." Canadian Rep added that Mirzayanov now appeared on YouTube. UK Rep acknowledged she had heard of it, but said this was the first time she had heard of "novichoks" and thought the entire discussion was best left to experts in capital. U.S. Delrep indicated a lack of familiarity with the subject matter and indicated no interest in pursuing the discussion further.
3. (S) On March 4, Delrep met with U.S. Rep to the OPCW Data Validation Group. In addition to a routine report on the activities of the Validation Group the week of March 2, U.S. Rep informed Delrep that representatives of several countries (Finland, Netherlands, UK) had begun discussing the Mirzayanov book on the margins of the meeting. All participants in the discussion seemed to be simply gauging the level of awareness; these same individuals also expressed some doubt as to the credibility/accuracy of the information in the book. U.S. Rep to the Validation Group confirmed that no other members of the group took part in or were listening to this conversation.

4. (S) Del Note: U.S. Del understands from OSD that the UK Ministry of Defense has spoken to its counterparts in the Netherlands and Finland, apprised them of the conversation, and asked each country to provide guidance to its del members not/not to raise this issue in the future. End Note.

(The (S) denote these paragraphs as "Secret".)

On March 2 delegates from Finland, the Netherlands and the UK discussed the book. Afterwards the UK Ministry of Defense asked the other governments to "shut the f*** up" about it. In a March 25 meeting a Canadian delegate came up with questions about the book. The U.S. and the UK delegate played dumb. The U.S. delegate then asks how to handle the issue in future meetings:

5. (S) Action Request: As the implications of this book for the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC) are likely to come up at future OPCW meetings (particularly technical meetings like the upcoming Scientific Advisory Board meeting 30 March - 1 April 2009), Del requests guidance as to how this issue is to be handled if raised by others. U.S. members of OPCW technical advisory bodies do not necessarily have contact with the U.S. delegation during their time in The Hague; guidance will need to be provided directly to these individuals.
The requested guidance came in a message from the State Department on April 3:

AUSTRALIA GROUP: GUIDANCE FOR INFORMAL INTERSESSIONAL MEETING IN LONDON, APRIL 6-7, 2009

(The Australia Group is an informal U.S. led group of 'western' countries which harmonizes export controls of materials related to weapons of mass destruction.)

1. (U) This message provides guidance for the U.S. delegation to the Australia Group's informal intersessional meeting in London on April 6-7, 2009.
The guidance lists five "objectives" for the meeting. The fifth one is:

-- Avoid any substantive discussion of the Mirazayanov book "State Secrets: An Insider's View of the Russian Chemical Weapons Program" or so-called 'Fourth Generation Agents.'
Further down it details:

7. (C) If AG participants raise the issue of Vils Mirazayonov's book "State Secrets: An Insider's View of the Russian Chemical Weapons Program," the Del should:
-- Report any instances in which the book is raised.

-- Not/not start or provoke conversations about the book or engage substantively if it comes up in conversation.

-- Express a lack of familiarity with the issue.

-- Quietly discourage substantive discussions by suggesting that the issue is 'best left to experts in capitals.'

CLINTON

The follow-up U.S. delegation report after the meeting of the Australia Group does not mention 'Novichok' or the book. The issue was kept off the table.

The above is not the only involvement of "CLINTON" in the 'Novichok' and Skripal affair. The Hillary Clinton presidential campaign paid the British company Orbis to create the 'dirty dossier' about Trump and his alleged connections to Russia. Christopher Steele, a former(?) MI6 agent, and his former(?) MI6 colleague Pablo Miller wrote the dossier, claiming that its information came from Russian sources. Pablo Miller was the MI6 agent who had recruited Sergej Skripal as a spy for the UK. Miller lives in Salisbury where Sergej Skripal lives and where he and his daughter were allegedly attacked with a 'Novichok' nerve agent. Miller was a friend of Sergej Skripal and regularly met him. It is quite possible that some of the shoddy rumors in the Steele dossier were sourced from Skripal or from his daughter Yulia. The incident in Salisbury could well be related to the dossier or other dubiously alleged campaign issues.

It is intriguing that the U.S. and the UK tried to downplay any discussion of 'Novichoks' and the book. Why did they do so?

Until 2016 the OPCW's Scientific Advisory Board (SAB) as well as scientists at the UK weapon laboratory in Porton Down sowed doubts about the very existence of 'Novichoks'. We fell for this when we asked if 'Novichocks' exist at all. Until late 2016 the OPCW did not list the substances and their precursors. This was no oversight but intent. Active U.S. suppression efforts against any mentioning of 'Novichoks' in the OPCW already occurred in 2006:

7. (C) Drawing on the points provided in reftel, del rep met with delegates from the UK (Mark Matthews), Switzerland (Ruth flint), Austria (Hans Schramml) and Czech Republic (Jitka Brodska) to discuss the recent ill-considered comments made by Scientific Advisory Board Chairman Matousek to the Western Group. All of the delegates appreciated the clarification that the U.S. did not develop or weaponize NGA, including "Novichoks." They also agreed with the U.S. that it is a bad idea to have a discussion on whether to add NGAs to the CWC Schedules of Chemicals. Finally, they all also stated that they had not heard of any interest by any delegation in pursuing such an effort, and the issue has not/not resurfaced in WEOG.
Jiri Matousek, a Czech scientist leading the SAB, was told to shut up. A U.S. diplomat contacted the Czech government and later reported his success. The headline of his cable is telling: MTAG: CZECHS MUZZLE ADVISORY BOARD CHAIRMAN ON NEXT GENERATION AGENTS.

It is clear now that the professed ignorance of the OPCW about 'Novichocks' was a consequences of U.S. and British pressure to discourage any discussion of the issue.

In 2016 a group of Iranian scientists synthesized five 'Novichok' substances. It devised ways to detect them. The results were published and added to the OPCW database.

The British government insinuates that Russia is the only country that could make 'Novichok' agents and must therefore have attacked the Skripals. This is obviously nonsense. The U.S. and the UK were deeply involved in the 'Novichok' issue. They certainly tried and succeeded to re-create these substances. After the formulas of the nerve agents were published by Mirzayanov the U.S. and the UK suppressed discussion of the issue. The OPCW professed to know nothing about them. Only after Iranian scientists independently re-created the agents and published about them were they added to the OPCW database.

Three questions come to mind which the U.S. and British government should be pressed to answer:

Why did the Clinton State Department and the British government suppress international talks about the 'Novichok' agents?
Why did they try, successfully it seems, to keep the issue out of the OPCW's Scientific Advisory Board?
Why were the substances kept out of the OPCW database until independent Iranian scientists finally re-created them?
Sidenote:

There is another Wikileaks document that mentions Vil Mirzanayov. It includes (point 20) the translation of a December 2009 report by the Russian daily paper Nezavisimaya Gazeta, owned by the Berezovsky Media Group, about U.S. attempts to split the tiny Republic of Tatarstan from the Russian Federation. With less than four million inhabitants Tatarstan in the Volga region is a rather irrelevant sub-state of Russia. But even president Obama was involved in the scheme and in October 2009 U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton visited the Tatar capital Kazan. Vil Mirazayanov played a prominent role in the rather stupid game:

As though in confirmation, the so called "government of Tatarstan in exile" was formed in the United States in December 2008. It is headed by US citizen Vil Mirzayanov, a Russian scientist granted political asylum in the United States. Along with Mirzayanov himself, the alleged government includes two Germans and a Turk. This self-proclaimed government already appealed to the UN to recognize independence of Tatarstan in the manner sovereignty of Kosovo, Abkhazia, and South Ossetia had been.
Vil Mirzayanaov signed the bombastic Declaration of Independence of Tatarstan. But as far as I can tell nothing significant came out of the 'Independent Tatarstan' project. In 2014 the U.S. and Turkey used groups of jihadist Tatars they had trained in their unsuccessful attempts to gain control of Crimea. These issues could be related.
MOON OF ALABAMA

Hervé

4th April 2018, 16:06

Hillary Clinton Ordered Diplomats to Suppress 'Novichok' Discussions
EDITOR'S CHOICE | 02.04.2018
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2018/04/02/hillary-clinton-ordered-diplomats-suppress-novichok-discussions.html
[...]

I am glad to see the importance of the above data being bumped (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102079-Sergei-Skripal-who-was-behind-the-Salisbury-poisoning&p=1217570&viewfull=1#post1217570) (see post # 133 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102079-Sergei-Skripal-who-was-behind-the-Salisbury-poisoning&p=1217570&viewfull=1#post1217570), this thread)

Cidersomerset

4th April 2018, 16:23

Boris is still an idiot............Time to resign maybe...RT enjoying this British farce

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/14/Carry_On_Spying.jpg/220px-Carry_On_Spying.jpg

Galloway: "For a Foreign Secretary to lie it must mean resignation"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wWCV8N6KUA
Published on 4 Apr 2018
"For a Foreign Secretary to lie about such a grave matter it must be a resignation
matter" says George Galloway as Boris Johnson is under pressure for possibly lying
about Russia being proven as the source of a nerve agent used in the Skripals’ poisoning.

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Highly likely… what? UK scientists can’t confirm nerve agent was from Russia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJNW88NpquE
Published on 4 Apr 2018
UK scientists have been unable to prove Russia made the nerve agent A-234 (also
known as "Novichok") which was used to poison Sergei and Yulia Skripal in
Salisbury.Scientists at the top secret army base Porton Down are unable to link the
samples to Russia, after weeks of Moscow insisting it had nothing to do with the
attack. Theresa May’s Government has repeatedly blamed the Kremlin and imposed
sanctions on Russia, including the expulsion of 23 diplomats.

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‘He said she said’: UK now denies Johnson said lab told him Russia to blame for the attack

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Published on 4 Apr 2018
The British Foreign Office is now denying that Boris Johnston said the Military
lab in Porton Down told him that Russia was responsible for the Skripal poisoning.
The Foreign Office has also deleted a tweet stating that scientists had concluded
the nerve agent used had been produced in Russia. Anastassia Churkina has the details.

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UK scientists unable to provide agent source - but Russia still blamed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g62bC6jvO6E
Published on 4 Apr 2018
British scientists admit they are unable to identify the source of the nerve agent
used to poison a former spy and his daughter in the UK. The British government
swiftly moved to defend its position, by claiming that its accusations against Russia
remain valid despite the revelation.

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Livingstone: UK politics are just lies and smears

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mrU8OBMQKA
Published on 4 Apr 2018
"Our politics are just lies and smear, we've just had decades and decades of this"
say former London mayor Ken Livingstone as many call for Boris Johnson's
resignation over Skripal case.

Cidersomerset

4th April 2018, 16:49

Henningsen: The press let the government get away with 'highly likely'

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Published on 4 Apr 2018
"The biggest culprit here is not the government but the press let them get away
with 'highly likely', we don't have a fourth estate" says Patrick Henningsen as
UK still 'assesses' Russia poisoned Skripals after Porton Down finds no link.

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Ex-UN chemical weapons expert: No 100% assurance that you can determine
the region of a chemical

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snXjDD5cEro
Published on 4 Apr 2018
"There is no 100% assurance that you can determine the region of a chemical" says
former UN chemical weapons expert Anton Utkin as chemical weapons watchdog meets
on Skripal case as answers awaited.

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OPCW watchdog meets to discuss Skripal case

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CNfQoMBr3M
Published on 4 Apr 2018
RT's Peter Oliver reports at The Hague, Netherlands as Organisation for the Prohibition
of Chemical Weapons meets to discuss Skripal case.

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John Wight: Boris Johnson should have fallen on his sword long before now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsbeEKRqYEQ
Published on 4 Apr 2018
"It's all gone quiet where Boris Johnson and Gavin Williamson are concerned" says
John Wight who says the Foreign Secretary should have "fallen on his sword long
before now".

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This is another good debate but was recorded before the recent announcement
from Porton Down....Mrs May has more reasons to milk an event like this than Mr.Putin.

CrossTalk on Skripal case: Toxic Relations

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Published on 4 Apr 2018
Words have consequences and threating actions can be very dangerous. This is the
atmosphere engulfing the West’s relations with Russia. The poisoning incident in
the UK has yet to be explained to the public. But this has not stopped the British
and American governments from playing the role of judge, jury, and executioner.
CrossTalking with Charles Shoebridge, Annie Machon, and James Jatras.

Hervé

4th April 2018, 16:50

The above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102079-Sergei-Skripal-who-was-behind-the-Salisbury-poisoning&p=1218147&viewfull=1#post1218147), together with the court conclusion as reported in post # 84 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102079-Sergei-Skripal-who-was-behind-the-Salisbury-poisoning&p=1216244&viewfull=1#post1216244):

[...]
... today I can absolutely prove it, due to the judgement at the High Court (https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/sshd-v-skripal-and-another-20180322.pdf) case which gave permission for new blood samples to be taken from the Skripals for use by the OPCW.

Justice Williams included in his judgement a summary of the evidence which tells us, directly for the first time, what Porton Down have actually said:
The Evidence
16. The evidence in support of the application is contained within the applications themselves (in particular the Forms COP 3) and the witness statements.

17. I consider the following to be the relevant parts of the evidence. I shall identify the witnesses only by their role and shall summarise the essential elements of their evidence.

i) CC: Porton Down Chemical and Biological Analyst
Blood samples from Sergei Skripal and Yulia Skripal were analysed and the findings indicated exposure to a nerve agent or related compound. The samples tested positive for the presence of a Novichok class nerve agent OR CLOSELY RELATED AGENT. [...]
... are enough to close the case and no amount of videos, talking heads elucubrations, etc., could, would nor will add anything substantial to it in this thread, short of the arrest(s) and inculpation(s) of the actual culprit(s).

In short, it's pitchforks time for Boris, May, the BBC, CNN, etc...

Cara

5th April 2018, 06:56

Not sure if this has been posted yet..... From the British TV series, “Yes, Prime Minister”, screened in the 1980s

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Do they get all their propaganda plots from TV and movies?

Eric J (Viking)

5th April 2018, 08:08

4-4-18
The United Kingdom unknowingly admitted that its government has been lying, accusing Russia of allegedly poisoning former spy Sergei Skripaland his daughter Yulia by the nerve agent Novichok on March 4 in Salisbury. The British government has already made two grave mistakes.

First, it reported that an assassin smeared a nerve agent on the door handle at Skripal’s home. Second, according to the doctors of the hospital where Yulia Skripal is being treated, her condition is getting better and her health status is currently described as stable.

Previously, the same doctors stated that Sergei Skripal and his daughter have only 1% hope of survival and ‘will be invalids for life’. Moreover, former chemical weapons scientist and former Russian chemical weapons’ program whistleblower Vil Mirzayanov, who is currently a leading western expert on toxic agents, assured the British media that 2 grams of Novichok will be enough to kill 500 people instantly. He also told the Daily Mail:

“These people are gone — this man and his daughter. Even if they survive they will not recover.”

It seems that Mirzayanov made these statements under the direction of the mainstream European and American media with the aim of discrediting his former homeland in the eyes of the world community.

If Sergey and Julia Skripal were poisoned in front of their house, then they wouldn’t have been able to walk through Salisbury. Thus, this fact completely excludes the use of nerve agent Novichok.

CNN, March 29

(The earlier report that Skripal and his daughter had been attacked while sitting on a bench at a shopping mall has also been refuted by Scotland Yard (GR Editor)).

Let us remind you, Scotland Yard detectives came to a conclusion that Sergey Skripal and his daughter were poisoned at their house. A particularly high concentration of agent was detected at the entrance door. If Skripal was poisoned at his home, then the agent used against him cannot be a nerve gas.

A number of experts believe that such gases can kill people within a few minutes. Skripal simply did not have time to walk to a restaurant or shopping center, where he was eventually found.

There is no way that the agent used to poison Skripal and his daughter could be Novichok. More likely the victims received an overdose of painkillers that are used for anesthetics.

This show with the involvement of pseudo-experts and baseless allegations was specially staged by the British government to increase tensions in Europe and contribute much to the rise of Russophobic sentiments around the world.

*

Bassim al-Khalili is part of the Members of the Society of Professional Journalists.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/u-k-is-lying-if-skripal-was-poisoned-at-his-home-the-agent-used-against-him-cannot-be-novichok/5634615

Viking

Hervé

5th April 2018, 15:10

“Dad is fine” – Sergei Skripal’s daughter calls Moscow – Reports (https://www.fort-russ.com/2018/04/dad-is-fine-sergei-skripals-daughter-calls-moscow-reports/)

Fort Russ News
By Inessa Sinchougova (https://www.fort-russ.com/author/inessa-s/) On Apr 5, 2018

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Yulia Skripal

Victoria Skripal, the niece of the allegedly poisoned Sergei Skripal, gave Russian journalists a recording of a telephone conversation with Julia Skripal, the daughter of the defector.

Victoria sent the recording of the telephone conversation to the editorial office of the “60 Minutes” program of the “Russia 1” TV channel. Victoria assures that she is in contact with Julia Skripal. It is clear from the conversation that Julia Skripal herself called Victoria. She says that the phone does not belong to her – it’s a temporary number, and insists that she cannot leave the UK at the current time.https://www.fort-russ.com/2018/04/dad-is-fine-sergei-skripals-daughter-calls-moscow-reports/ (https://www.fort-russ.com/2018/04/dad-is-fine-sergei-skripals-daughter-calls-moscow-reports/)
“You know what the situation is now,” says Julia “Do not worry, we’re all well, I’m already being discharged, dad is also well, he’s resting now.”
Julia Skripal also insists that Victoria would not get a visa to go to London. “Maybe, something will change later”, adds Julia.
“Nothing irreparable has happened,” adds Sergei Skripal’s daughter, “everyone is alive.”
The “60 minutes” programme stressed that they can not confirm the authenticity of the record yet. They have only the assurance of Victoria Skripal, who herself asked to publicize the conversation. However, “60 minutes” is a well-researched programme run on a federal channel, their content is usually legitimate.

Earlier, London insisted that Sergei Skripal was on his death bed after being poisoned with an alleged nerve agent. “Now there are new allegations that poisoning may not have happened, despite the fact that the so-called case of Skripal is caused aggressive rhetoric against Russia; Russian diplomats were sent home earlier. Moscow is doing everything possible to conduct a real investigation of the incident through the OPCW.

Cidersomerset

5th April 2018, 16:01

Yulia Skripal issues statement

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Published on 5 Apr 2018
Salisbury poisoning victim Yulia Skripal has released a statement
through police in London. DETAILS: https://on.rt.com/92lz

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Russian spy poisoning: Yulia Skripal 'getting stronger daily'

12 minutes ago....5/3/18
read more...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43652574

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Boris has a history of exaggerating....

Skripal, Porton Down and Boris Johnson - Channel 4 News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIHxEw6J2GY
Published on 4 Apr 2018Ben Wallace offers a clear summary
of events and the UK Government's position. As a Scottish
independence supporter, and CND member who has little
but contempt for Theresa May's government and its Foreign
Secretary, I agree with Ben Wallace's summary and the PM's
actions - and so did my First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon.

The UK, supported by the Scottish Government, will doubtless
continue to evaluate the unfolding story and any new facts, as
will the First Minister of Scotland. After all, we have UK's nuclear
'deterrent' WMDs against our will on Scottish soil until independence,
so we're less than anxious to provoke WW3 and Scotland as an
inevitable first strike prime target!

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Nigel Farage Discusses UK Government Response over Russian Spy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGK_l7vyPsQ
Published on 4 Apr 2018

Cidersomerset

6th April 2018, 08:14

Charles Ortel echoes the view , was this done by elements of the deep state to
ramp up tensions and to justify their existence and agendas .....

'Theater of absurd': Russian envoy shows UK version of Skripal case 'falls apart'

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Published on 5 Apr 2018
World powers have just concluded a meeting, convened by Russia, on the Skripal
poisoning case. The Russian ambassador addressed the chamber for over half an
hour, slamming the UK's claims of Kremlin involvement in last month's attack on
the former double-agent and his daughter.

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Spy poisoning: Russia says UK is 'playing with fire'

58 minutes ago...6/4/18

short vid on link..http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43662421

Moscow's UN ambassador Vasily Nebenzia: "You are playing with fire and you will be sorry"

Russia has accused the UK of inventing a "fake story" and "playing with fire" over the Salisbury
spy poisoning.At a UN Security Council meeting, Moscow's UN ambassador Vasily Nebenzia
said Britain's main goal had been "to discredit and even delegitimise" Russia with "unsubstantiated
accusations".The UK says Russia is behind the attack but Moscow denies responsibility.

Britain's UN representative Karen Pierce said the UK's actions "stand up to any scrutiny".
She likened Moscow's requests to take part in the investigation to an arsonist investigating
his own fire.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43662421

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Doubts emerge over UK’s Skripal narrative

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzuhCJFqRUI
Published on 5 Apr 2018
British Secretary of State Boris Johnson is not telling the truth about the Skripal
incident and it is being used as a diversionary tactic, says Labour MP Chris
Williamson. RT UK’s Alex Salmond analyzes the case with RT America’s Ed Schultz

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‘Not 100% certain, but highly confident’: UK media relies on sources, not facts, in Skripal case
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25qi1cmYdOk
Published on 5 Apr 2018
Jaqueline Vouga investigates how UK media continues to push the sensational
narrative based on the anonymous sources.

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Steve Hedley: "Corbyn was critical of UK's response and was vilified by the media for doing so"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPlVTo48ocU

Published on 6 Apr 2018
"The only person that's been critical is Jeremy Corbyn and he's been absolutely
vilified by the media for doing so" says Steve Hedley, assistant general secretary of
National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers (RMT), as the UK's grounds
for accusing Russia in Skripal case is now being questioned.

Cidersomerset

6th April 2018, 12:47

Michael is a controversial figure but does have knowledge in this field...

Michael Shrimpton "The Novichok Agent Used On
The Skripal's DID Come From Porton Down Lab!"

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Published on 6 Apr 2018
Richie Allen has been producing and presenting television
and radio programs for the best part of twenty years. The
Richie Allen Show airs Monday - Thursday at 7 PM GMT
and at 11 AM UK Time each Sunday.

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Skripal pets die after investigators sealed off home despite vet warning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zi_yjteH0E
Published on 6 Apr 2018
The mystery surrounding the poisoning of Sergei Skripal has deepened after British
officials confirmed the deaths of his pets. A cat and two guinea pigs died after
investigators sealed off the ex-double agent’s home.

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Russian spy poisoning: Sergei Skripal 'improving rapidly'
6/4/18

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43671958

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Skripal no longer in critical condition, improving rapidly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olSE4uonz5k
Published on 6 Apr 2018
Poisoned ex-spy Sergei Skripal is no longer in critical condition and has responded
well to treatment after a nerve agent attack last month, the hospital treating him says.

Baby Steps

6th April 2018, 21:59

From a friend
and really, this pretence/theatre production has been so cack-handed from the start, one wonders if they are serious...

"I am an NHS campaigner, doing my best to help defend acute services at our district general hospital - the Horton General.

The hospital Sergei Skripal is in is Salisbury general hospital. If he had been SOOOO ill, why was he not taken to a specialist hospital?

We are told the day of the district general with its six core 'wards' is over and that the only really effective care for rare acute conditions is a centralised tertiary centre such as Southampton, the John Radcliffe Oxford and others.

So why was this man, critically ill for a month or more with a devastating 'nerve agent' left in a lowly district general hospital?

Who was treating him? What discipline of consultant?

If this was a nerve agent one would expect a neuro surgeon/specialist.

Stranger and stranger..."

norman

7th April 2018, 00:30

Cara

7th April 2018, 06:18

. . . so cack-handed . . . .

Dead right. That's really the only mystery left in my head.

Either it's deliberately sloppy to further divide us from the sleepy mass ( to process us seperately ), or they are seriously missing out on the services of the master magicians of psyops.

On balance, considering who's who here, I'd say it's deliberately sloppy, and that's the scariest thing of all.

@norman, I’d be interested to hear your speculations on the deliberate sloppiness.

I have had this overwhelming sense of something being quite different about this “working” since it began. The “tone” of it from the start has been deeply disturbing to me and it has even kept me awake at night a couple of times worrying about it (which is not my usual response to psyops and false flags).

I’ve said this earlier on this thread but I sense that Theresa May has been “marked” or “branded” in some way by this. Kind of like some initiatory process?

I don’t know ... but the whole thing is disturbing.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Tintin

7th April 2018, 12:05

Hervé

7th April 2018, 16:03

Craig Murray in Twitter battle with host over Skripal interview missing on Sky News website (https://www.rt.com/uk/423427-murray-burley-sky-porton/)

RT
Published time: 6 Apr, 2018 16:05 Edited time: 7 Apr, 2018 10:46
Get short URL (https://on.rt.com/92pv)

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© AFP

Britain’s ex-ambassador to Uzbekistan Craig Murray and veteran Sky News presenter Kay Burley faced off on social media, after Murray questioned why his interview on the Salisbury poisoning did not appear on the network’s website.

In an exclusive interview with RT, Craig Murray said that Burley’s “strange impoliteness took [him] by surprise.”

“[The interview] was broadcast live but Sky’s daytime audience is not all that large,” said Murray.

“A lot of people missed it and wanted to see it on their website but it wasn’t shown there at all, and they said it would be.

“I think the plan was to try and make me look foolish with the aggressive interviewing but that didn’t work. I think that’s why they’ve then buried it.”
“Maybe you just weren’t that interesting,” quipped Kay, when Murray asked on Twitter why his extended, 20-minute interview with Sky News did not make it onto the network’s website. Burley’s comments kicked off a wave of anger, with social media users dubbing her “rude” and a “hack.”

Others told the Sky News anchor that “censorship isn’t cute,” with one user calling on Sky to let its viewers be the judge as to whether Murray, a historian and former British ambassador, is not “that interesting.” Burley’s comments were broadly slammed on social media for being unprofessional and for failing to provide an explanation as to why the interview isn’t available.

In recent weeks, Murray has faced criticism for repeatedly questioning the handling of the Skripal poisoning case, calling on the UK government to make public more evidence on the nerve agent and its origin.

In his interview with Burley on Sky News, Murray and the presenter had a back and forth about Sky News’ Porton Down interview, with Murray suggesting that an extra question may have been recorded after the original interview and tacked on to the end.
“What I’d said was that the interview had been heavily edited and she took exception to that and said it hadn’t been heavily edited,” Murray told RT. “It appeared [they tried] to add it on to a question that hadn’t been asked. She said they had asked 35 questions and that was the answer to question 16.”
In retaliation, Burley took aim at Murray via her own Twitter account, accusing him of “ludicrous accusations against [her] colleague” – much to Murray’s apparent confusion over the accusation and colleague she was referring to.

It appears that the Sky News row stems from a blog post by Murray on April 4, when he insinuated that Sky had done some sneaky editing of its interview with Gary Aitkenhead, the chief executive of the government lab at Porton Down, in order to keep the Conservative government on-side.
“Aitkenhead’s government minders were evidently unhappy with the interview, and the last passage is a statement, not in answer to any question, of the government’s propaganda position which is a very bad edit and clearly tacked on after the interview had finished,” Murray wrote on Wednesday.
Twitter users have since speculated that only one camera was used in the article – although Sky News insists that two cameras were used to film the interview, which is why it could have been mistaken as a separate edit. One social media user did some amateur in-depth video analysis to back up Murray’s position.

Neither Sky News or Craig Murray have commented further on the two camera/one camera issue.

Related:
Unidentified: Porton Down scientists CANNOT confirm nerve agent used on Skripals was made in Russia (https://www.rt.com/uk/423075-porton-down-skripal-proof/)

Hervé

7th April 2018, 16:20

Craig Murray: Here's an 'extremely boring' video I did for Sky News about Skripal - don't watch It (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/04/an-extremely-boring-video-do-not-watch-it/)

Craig Murray Craig Murray Blog (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/04/an-extremely-boring-video-do-not-watch-it/)
Fri, 06 Apr 2018 00:00 UTC

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I have managed to get hold of a copy, which you can see here, of my lengthy interview with Sky News about the Skripals yesterday, which Sky refused to put online because they allege I was boring. With the warning you might therefore be very bored, you may watch it if you wish.

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(https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/video/craigsky.mp4)

Video Link: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/video/craigsky.mp4
(https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/video/craigsky.mp4)

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Kay Burley then appeared to suggest in reply to persistent questioning from Teymoor Nabili that Sky News could not put the interview online as they did not record it and do not hold a copy, which is plainly untrue (and would be illegal under their broadcast license).

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My perspective on the interview itself was that the interviewer became aggressive and sarcastic, increasingly shrill as the apparent effort to discredit me was not going well, and resorting eventually to asking about any old extraneous matter but the Skripals. I strongly suspect it was not me being boring, but the strange performance by Kay Burley, which motivated Sky to bury the interview.

But you must judge for yourself.

It is my policy when invited by journalists, to give considered and courteous answers to the particular questions which they ask. This is as opposed to what politicians do, which is to spout pre-prepared soundbites irrespective of what they are asked.

I appreciate that mine is a very old-fashioned approach, and may lead you to be frustrated about areas I did not cover. I also make no attempt to look slick or sound glib. I realise in this modern age that may not be good PR, but my belief remains that in the long term people will see me as a polite and thoughtful old gentleman, and feel less disposed to share the obvious contempt towards me of the media and politician classes.

Cidersomerset

8th April 2018, 19:14

Lionel Interviews RT's Cross Talk Host Peter Lavelle on Skripal, Trump, Putin, Russia and Everything

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Lionel Nation

Published on 8 Apr 2018
In case you've lived in a cave, 'CrossTalk' is RT's flagship program. This TV debate experience
presents hot-topic discussions on politics, business, newsmakers, global trends, present-day
conflicts, and dangers and challenges facing our world. Host Peter Lavelle poses hard,
straightforward questions to his guests, and demands concrete answers in response. Peter's
guests are politicians, journalists, scientists and decision-makers of all sorts – anyone who
influences the decisions changing our world or plays a key role in forming public opinion.
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Baby Steps

9th April 2018, 09:15

see below, here we have a named professional contradicting mainstream media lies - and stating that the poisonings were NOT due to a nerve agent!

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Cidersomerset

9th April 2018, 21:22

"It is probably a false flag "

Dr Chris Busby on the Skripal Russia Poisoning affair

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Published on 6 Apr 2018

Dr Busby says a few words about the Russian Nerve Agent issue. He speaks as an expert in
this area. Chris worked for several years at the famous Wellcome Research laboratories in
Beckenham, London as a Senior Scientist in the Department of Physical Chemistry. His job,
at the basic level, was to help determine the structure and origin of pharmaceutical compounds.
So, he is an expert in this area. He also carried out similar work at Queen Mary College London
for his first PhD and synthesised complex organic chemicals. From that, he relates that the
synthesis of a specific small organic chemical like the supposed Novichoks is not very difficult.

Most sythetic organic chemists could knock up small quantities of the 234 compound, given the
structure. Mainly, there is no way that the compound that was detected in the Skripal attack could
be traced to a Russian laboratory (or any laboratory) by any lab unless the lab already had a sample
known to come from the Russian laboratory (or the source laboratory). The determination and
identification methods mainly depend on mass spectrometric fragmentation patterns, and include
the spectrum of stray molecular fragments from impurities associated with the synthesis route.
This is how Wellcome located Patent jumping, and took this evidence ( from Busby and colleagues)
into the courts. All chemists know this, and that is why the Porton head said what he said, as any
chemist would have been able to raise this issue and show that he was lying, if he said anything else.
It is basic physical chemistry. So, the new headline in the Times, about a secret Russian laboratory
is also bogus. What is also clear is that the mass spectrum of the A234 compound was put on the
NIST database in 1998 by a worker from the USA chemical warfare laboratory. Chris therefore concludes
that this whole affair is a tissue of lies and misdirection, rather like the WMD Iraq scenario and is aimed
at creating a war with Russia that no one can win and where all life will lose. Why is this being done?
Because the only way for the rich and powerful to escape the coming US Economic catastrophe caused
by the destruction of the petrodollar is to pull the house down and hope to escape in the general confusion
and disaster from the wreckage.

Cara

10th April 2018, 12:08

Dr Farrell had a blog with some interesting speculation on this yesterday... he wonders whether Mrs May and Boris Johnson have been lied to and whether the trail leads to Brussels and Berlin.

MRS. MAY’S FABULOUS FABLE FUMBLE (OR, HOW NOT TO GAS A SPY)
Joseph P. FarrellApril 9, 2018

...

Well, consider the latest developments(and I have to thank so many of you who found and sent various versions of these updates):

First, Britain's major chemical and biological weapons facility, Porton Down, has not been able to conclusively prove that the alleged "nerve agent" used on Skripal is from Russia:

BREAKING: UK Porton Down Lab UNABLE to Identify Russia as “Source” of Novichok Poison
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/04/no_author/breaking-uk-porton-down-lab-unable-to-identify-russia-as-source-of-novichok-poison/

Salisbury poisoning: UK experts cannot prove novichok nerve agent used on Skripals came from Russia, MoD says
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/salisbury-poisoning-russia-novichok-nerve-agent-porton-down-proof-evidence-mod-latest-a8286761.html

But never mind, because the "case" against Russia, we were assured, was absolutely air tight and compelling, even though the central feature of the story linking the whole affair to Russia can't be proven. One senses, perhaps, a bit of double entendre in the Ministry of Defence's quip about letting the Government "piece together the conclusions."

Wait, it gets better: Secondly, Yulia Skripal is now apparently not only still alive, but awake from her deadly nerve gas attack, which turns out not to have been so deadly (and maybe not even nerve gas, but we'll get back to that):

Yulia Skripal Is Awake and at the Center of a Russia-U. K. Confrontation
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/05/world/europe/yulia-skripal-russia-britain.html?smprod=nytcore-ipad&smid=nytcore-ipad-share

Now, just in case you missed it, the screenplay writers at the New York Times were kind enough to point it out:

Russian television broadcast a telephone recording on Thursday said to be of Yulia Skripal, who was poisoned with a military-grade nerve agent (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/01/world/europe/russia-sergei-skripal-uk-spy-poisoning.html?action=click&contentCollection=Europe&module=RelatedCoverage&region=Marginalia&pgtype=article) a month ago and is at the center of an escalating confrontation between Russia and Britain.

In the recording, which the Rossiya 24 news announcer emphasized could not be verified, Ms. Skripal tells her cousin Viktoria that both she and her father, Sergei V. Skripal, are healthy, and that neither of them has suffered long-term health damage from the poisoning. The recording contradicted public statements by the British authorities, who have described Mr. Skripal’s condition as “critical but stable” and said that only Ms. Skripal was conscious [https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/29/world/europe/britain-yulia-skripal-hospital.html].

Within hours of the program’s broadcast, the British police released a statement on Ms. Skripal’s behalf, in which she said that she “woke up over a week ago now” and that her “strength is growing daily.”

Now, whether or not the telephone calls actually occurred, the important point here is to note that the U.K. appears to agree with the Russians that Yulia Skripal is alive, and more or less "well" and "conscious." And this raises a few questions:

The Three Most Important Aspects Of The Skripal Case... And Where They Might Be Pointing
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-04/three-most-important-aspects-skripal-case-and-where-they-might-be-pointing

On the first two points we are now told that Yulia Skripal’s condition has significantly improved to the point where she is said to be recovering well and talking. However, although this provides something of an answer to these questions, it also raises a number of others. Is she finally being allowed consular access? Is she being allowed to speak to her fiancé, her grandmother, or her cousin by telephone? Most importantly, how does her recovery comport with the claim that she was poisoned with a “military-grade nerve agent” with a toxicity around 5-8 times that of VX nerve agent? (Underlined emphasis added)

This is precisely where my problems with this whole story began, for why would Russia choose such a method to kill a spy that it once had in its possession and traded to Britain? If Russia wanted Skripal dead, he would be, by now, well and truly dead, no ifs, ands, or buts. But now we have survivors of a toxic nerve gas attack, which suggests that the "attack" might not have been a nerve gas attack - or any other kind of attack - at all. Indeed, Viktoria Skripal - in the most Green Acres aspect of the story to come out - went so far as to suggest that the whole episode may have just been a case of food poisoning and "bad fish."

Russia spy SHOCK: Sergei Skripal and daughter ‘might NOT have been poisoned’, claims niece
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/942220/russia-latest-sergei-skripal-salisbury-spy-attack-not-poisoned-viktoria-skripal

So what's the high octane speculation here?

From the outset, this story has been like a mackerel on a moonlit beach: it both shines and stinks. Nothing about the story made sense when it broke, and it makes even less sense now, and as it appears to be falling apart, one senses that Mrs. May and U.K. Secretary of State Boris Johnson are becoming a little camera-and-microphone shy. Mr. Johnson is not a stupid man, and his unequivocal statements to various western media that the nerve agent was definitely from Russia have me wondering something that no one appears to be asking; Russia, for example, has recently floated the idea that this was all a bungled operation of British intelligence, with the subtext (Yes, you can read these subtitles Lisa): Mrs May and Mr. Johnson are lying. But given Mr. Johnson's repeated, and unequivocal statements to various Western media, I have to wonder if, rather, he and Mrs. May were lied to. To what purpose? I can only speculate, but very little of this, I suspect, has to do with Russia. As a crisis of opportunity, it certainly could be and was used to expel Russian diplomats whom the various western Governments probably wanted to expel anyway. The story presented itself as a crisis of opportunity to do so. Nothing more. The real fallout of the episode now appears to be reaching out to engulf the May government, to weaken it substantially and perhaps even to topple it. In other words, the whole thing was, as they say, a "set up."

To what end? Again, I can only speculate, but if this whole bizarre scenario is to make any sense at all, then there is one big issue that, perhaps, certain sectors of Europe would not want Mrs. May or Mr. Johnson "poking around" and asking "too many difficult questions" at "this difficult time" when "Mrs. Merkel has so many issues on her plate," like the looming European banking problems, the Italian election results, and so on. The big issue looming in the background of all this is, of course, BREXIT. The last thing, the very last thing that Frau Merkel or her faithful lap-poodle Jean-Claude Juncker wants right now is a strong government in London. Solution? Create a distraction for the May government, which, with any luck, may even weaken it. In other words, in the Skripal case, all roads may lead, not to Moscow, or to London, but to Brussels and to Berlin.

I wouldn't put it past them, and neither should you...

See you on the flip side...

From here: https://gizadeathstar.com/2018/04/mrs-mays-fabulous-fable-fumble-or-how-not-to-gas-a-spy/

norman

10th April 2018, 12:45

"From the outset, this story has been like a mackerel on a moonlit beach: it both shines and stinks." - Joseph Farrell.

hahahhaha

From the outset, I've had a very strong feeling that May and co, and the backbencher army, have got a gun to their heads.

I can only make wild guesses about who's holding the gun.

Foxie Loxie

10th April 2018, 12:56

Could someone please explain to me why there still needs to be a NATO?! :confused:

Cara

10th April 2018, 13:15

I posted this on the geopolitics thread (here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101747-Geopolitics-Culture-History-....-Things-to-explore-about-the-world).... also relevant here:

This short podcast (17 minutes) is loaded with information. It’s the LEFT OUT podcast with professor Michael Hudson, which they term the Hudson Report.

This conversation analyses the Skripal affair from an economic perspective and proceeds to discuss the money laundering activities of the Latvian bank which was recently closed as well as the larger western plans begun in the 1990s for the “rape of Russia” (see below).

Well worth the time, I highly recommend it.

THE HUDSON REPORT: The economics behind the Skripal poisoning
3
Apr 3, 2018
In this episode we discuss the economic and political implications of the attempted murder of former Russian double agent Sergei Skripal. We also touch upon the long history of collaboration between Russian oligarchs and Western banks and how it fits into the larger neoliberal project pursued after the collapse of the Soviet Union

Read more at http://democracyatwrkleftout.libsyn.com/the-hudson-report-the-economics-behind-the-skirpal-poisoning#scOQbcrsWo0XRcOL.99

Listen here: http://traffic.libsyn.com/democracyatwrkleftout/Hudson_Report_Episode_3_4.2.2018.mp3?dest-id=393658

(The bit on the “rape of Russia” is at that post in the other thread.)

norman

10th April 2018, 14:53

Could someone please explain to me why there still needs to be a NATO?! :confused:

I can't answer that question but it's somehow proded my memory that I read here somewhere a while go that the "western alliance" has been quietly restocking arms in places ready for another round of arjibarji in the Russia/Syria/Iran/Israel theatre. And let's not forget all the military hardware and troops lined up on Russia's western flank.

It's pretty obvious to me that the Skripal case and the gas bombing in Syria are coordinated to flip the odds on a heavy handed action in the area of Syria.

In a way, someone has suddenly pulled a gun on Putin, and is waiting for him to blink. I hope Putin is resilient, or this is going to go very bad. It boggles my mind that someone has actually lined up troops for an invasion of Russia while sneakilly putting together this string of completely fake propaganda events to psych up the sheeple for a blood bath. Jeeze, are we really going there ? !

A possibility, is that they are manouvering to kick Russia off the UN permanent security council. If they can do that, thay can make a whole lot of moves that they can't yet make.

Cidersomerset

10th April 2018, 15:03

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Yulia Skripal discharged from Salisbury hospital

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Published on 10 Apr 2018
Yulia Skripal, the daughter of former double agent Sergei Skripal,
has been discharged from hospital, five weeks after being exposed
to a nerve agent in Salisbury

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Russian spy: Yulia Skripal discharged from hospital

10/4/18

Yulia Skripal, the poisoned daughter of Russian ex-spy Sergei, has been discharged
from hospital.The 33-year-old left Salisbury District Hospital on Monday and has
been taken to a secure location.

The hospital said: "This is not the end of her treatment but marks a significant
milestone."Her 66-year-old father remains in hospital and is "recovering more
slowly than Yulia". Doctors hope he will be discharged "in due course".

Read more...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43710126

Hervé

11th April 2018, 17:14

How the UK (and other) public was pre-sold on that Skripal script:

How TV Spy Fiction Helped Sell the Salisbury Poisoning (https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201804111063448533-tv-spy-fiction-helped-sell-salisbury-poisoning/)

Sputnik Opinion (https://sputniknews.com/analysis/)
18:50 11.04.2018

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The ongoing series of government-supported TV shows Homeland and Strike Back are featuring storylines that have pre-empted or reinforced aspects of the Skripal poisoning story.

From assassinations on foreign soil to deadly Novichok poison, unhinged Russian hitmen to re-doubled agents, almost every element of the poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal has been spotlighted as a character or plotline in the latest series of Homeland and Strike Back. Sputnik spoke exclusively with a critic of the British government’s story about the Skripals about the role of these popular TV shows in the unfolding drama in Salisbury.

Strike Back
The sixth season of Strike Back is a joint British-American production that broadcast in late 2017 and early 2018 in the UK and recently finished its run on Cinemax in the US. Central to the plot in the first half of the season is Karim Markov, a Russian scientist who has devoted his life to developing Novichok nerve agents. The dialogue frequently name-drops Novichok, in episodes that were shown in the weeks before the Skripals were discovered.

Sputnik spoke with sceptic of the UK government’s account and admin of Moon of Alabama (http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/governments-decree-truth-about-skripal-dissenters-will-be-punished.html) Bernhard, who does not believe Novichok was used to attack the Skripals. He explained, “I believe that the Skripals suffered from simple food poisoning. They ate a Risotto Peske with mussels at the Zizzi restaurant and unintentionally poisoned themselves with Saxitoxin, a natural ‘nerve agent’ that is also known as shellfish poison.” Bernhard went on to explain that he suspects that British government officials lifted the Novichok explanation from Strike Back, saying, “A day later the government woke up to that fact that the Skripal case could be used to divert from May’s problems with the Brexit negotiations and help in upcoming elections. They needed something splashy to blame it on Russia. Someone in the governments spin-master group came up with ‘Novichok’.”

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It's strange that a British-American intelligence TV drama Strike Back had several episodes featuring Novichok nerve agent and Evil Russkies last year. Someone orchestrating political theater in the UK watches a lot of TV, or is advised by its producers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strike_Back:_Retribution … (https://t.co/Pq2TIWn8xD)

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12:32 PM - 15 Mar 2018
35 replies 343 retweets 378 likes Strike Back depicts the Markov character making Novichok in a secret lab for the wife of an international jihadi terorrist, who plans to sell him on to the FSB. When the Russian agents arrive at the lab the Section 20 team stop the plot and save the day, killing all the Russians and triumphantly destroying the lab. Bernhard commented, “Spin-masters look at current culture and use what works and fits.”

At Homeland With the Skripals
Meanwhile, the latest series of Homeland has included characters and plot points that have chimed, week-by-week, with aspects of the unfolding media coverage of the Skripals. In the opening episode a government traitor is assassinated, poisoned with a nerve agent. While it is initially unclear who the culprits are, in episodes that broadcast on March 4 (the day the Skripals were found) and March 11 make it clear that a Russian intelligence ‘active measures’ unit are behind the poisoning. A week later and the Russian assassins were at it again, murdering their own intelligence agent who had defected to the West.

In the most recent episodes an FBI agent, Dante Allen, who had been turned by Russian intelligence is unmasked by our hero Carrie Mathison, who then poisons him with a nerve agent to trick him into thinking he is going to die, and to make him confess. The episode broadcast April 8 showed Dante recovering in hospital, with the Russian assassin demanding that his superiors let him assault the hospital to get to the agent. On the same day the British media were reporting (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5999050/skripals-to-be-given-new-ids/amp/?__twitter_impression=true) that the Skripals, who were still in hospital, were so terrified of rabid Russian assassins that they were going to be given new lives and new identities in America. Yulia Skripal has since been discharged from hospital. These curious parallels between the plots in Homeland and Strike Back and the media coverage of the Skripal poisoning drama have led some to ask whether they are functioning as government propaganda. Strike Back is based on novels by former SAS officer Chris Ryan, and Ryan along with other ex-SAS and SBS soldiers are consultants (https://www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz-tv/hot-tv/351353/Strike-Back-Philip-Winchester-is-chuffed-by-soldiers-support-of-the-show) on the series, helping to train the cast in special operations. Homeland has enjoyed a close relationship (https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/homeland-season-7-alex-gansa-donald-trump-alex-jones-1202684093/) with the CIA since its first season in 2010 where the producers meet with spooks before writing each season’s scripts.

Sputnik asked Bernhard about this relationship and he commented:
“The CIA and the Pentagon sponsor many, many movies and TV series and get control over the scripts. US culture is created by the (deep) state to create the society it needs, not the other way around. Through the export of such series it can control many other cultures. This has been ongoing ever since the Second World War.”

Cidersomerset

12th April 2018, 10:01

Yulia Skripal issues statement via UK police, Russian Embassy calls for verification

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Published on 11 Apr 2018
Police in the UK have released a statement on behalf of Yulia Skripal, the
daughter of a former double agent, both of whom were poisoned in the
British city of Salisbury over a month ago.

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Sleboda: So Skripals were attacked with a sub-lethal dose?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OWXIQrZeeA

Published on 11 Apr 2018
"So we're supposed to believe that the Skripals were attacked with a sub-lethal
dose?" asks Mark Sleboda on CrossTalk as its host Peter Lavelle slams Boris
Johnson as 'incompetent'.

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Yulia Skripal: No-one speaks for me

12/4/18

Yulia Skripal, the poisoned daughter of Russian ex-spy Sergei, has rejected Russian
embassy help "at the moment".

The 33-year-old, who was discharged from hospital on Monday, said her father
is "still seriously ill".

In a statement issued through police, she said she was not yet strong enough to
give a full media interview but "no-one speaks for me, or for my father".

The Russian embassy said it doubted the statement "really belongs to Yulia" and said it raised new questions.

Ms Skripal and her 66-year-old father, who were found slumped on a park bench in
Salisbury on 4 March, were exposed to the toxic nerve agent Novichok.

Mr Skripal remains at Salisbury District Hospital.

In her statement, Ms Skripal said she found herself in "a totally different life than
the ordinary one I left just over a month ago".

read more....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43733765

Cidersomerset

12th April 2018, 11:18

They still have not confirmed where it actually came from...

OPCW confirms UK findings over substance used in Skripal poisoning, no details over origin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc9r862UFLQ
Published on 12 Apr 2018
The OPCW has released its findings into the Skripal poisoning, the watchdog
confirming the British conclusions over the substance used, while not elaborating
on the origin of the substance only detailing its chemical make-up.

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Surprise , Surprise.....

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Inspectors back UK in spy poisoning row

12 minutes ago...12/4/18

The international chemical weapons watchdog has confirmed the UK's
analysis of the type of nerve agent used in the Russian ex-spy poisoning.

The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons did not name
the nerve agent as Novichok, but said it agreed with the UK's findings
on its identity.Russia has denied it was behind the attack on Sergei and
Yulia Skripal in Salisbury, as Theresa May has claimed.

The OPCW carried out the investigation at the request of the UK government.

read more....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43741140

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Skripal saga: So what is Novichok nerve agent and who can produce it?

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Published on 12 Apr 2018
The world has been quick to blame Russia for the poisoning of Sergei Skripal,
despite no evidence being presented. As the OPCW report is released on the
incident, RT digs into the controversial issues of the saga.

Hervé

12th April 2018, 12:28

Craig Murray: Yulia Skripal is clearly under duress (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/04/yulia-skripal-is-plainly-under-duress/)

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Only the Russians have allowed us to hear the actual voice of Yulia Skripal, in that recorded conversation with her cousin. So the one thing we know for certain is that, at the very first opportunity she had, she called back to her cousin in Russia to let her know what is going on. If you can recall, until the Russians released that phone call, the British authorities were still telling lies that Sergei was in a coma and Yulia herself in a serious condition.

We do not know how Yulia got to make the call. Having myself been admitted unconscious to hospital on several occasions, each time when I came to I found my mobile phone in my bedside cabinet. Yulia's mobile phone plainly had been removed from her and not returned. Nor had she been given an official one - she specifically told her cousin that she could not call her back on that phone as she had it temporarily. The British government could have given her one to keep on which she could be called back, had they wished to help her.

The most probable explanation is that Yulia persuaded somebody else in the hospital to lend her a phone, without British officials realising. That would explain why the first instinct of the British state and its lackey media was to doubt the authenticity of the call. It would explain why she was able to contradict the official narrative on their health, and why she couldn't get a return call. It would, more importantly, explain why her family has not been able to hear her voice since. Nor has anybody else.

It strikes me as inherently improbable that, when Yulia called her cousin as her first act the very moment she was able, she would now issue a formal statement through Scotland Yard forbidding her cousin to be in touch or visit. I simply do not believe this British Police statement:
"I was discharged from Salisbury District Hospital on the 9th April 2018. I was treated there with obvious clinical expertise and with such kindness, that I have found I missed the staff immediately.

"I have left my father in their care, and he is still seriously ill. I too am still suffering with the effects of the nerve agent used against us.

"I find myself in a totally different life than the ordinary one I left just over a month ago, and I am seeking to come to terms with my prospects, whilst also recovering from this attack on me.

"I have specially trained officers available to me, who are helping to take care of me and to explain the investigative processes that are being undertaken. I have access to friends and family, and I have been made aware of my specific contacts at the Russian Embassy who have kindly offered me their assistance in any way they can. At the moment I do not wish to avail myself of their services, but, if I change my mind I know how to contact them.

"Most importantly, I am safe and feeling better as time goes by, but I am not yet strong enough to give a full interview to the media, as I one day hope to do. Until that time, I want to stress that no one speaks for me, or for my father, but ourselves. I thank my cousin Viktoria for her concern for us, but ask that she does not visit me or try to contact me for the time being. Her opinions and assertions are not mine and they are not my father's.

"For the moment I do not wish to speak to the press or the media, and ask for their understanding and patience whilst I try to come to terms with my current situation." There is also the very serious question of the language it is written in. Yulia Skripal lived part of her childhood in the UK and speaks good English. But the above statement is in a particular type of formal, official English of a high level which only comes from a certain kind of native speaker.
"At the moment I do not wish to avail myself of their services" - wrote no native Russian speaker, ever.
Nor are the rhythms or idioms such as would in any way indicate a translation from Russian. Take "I thank my cousin Viktoria for her concern for us, but ask that she does not visit me or try to contact me for the time being. Her opinions and assertions are not mine and they are not my father's." Not only is this incredibly cold given her first impulse was to phone her cousin, the language is just wrong. It is not the English Yulia would write and it is awkward to translate into Russian, thus not a natural translation from it.

To put it plainly, as someone who has much experience of it, the English of the statement is precisely the English of an official in the UK security services and precisely not the English of somebody like Yulia Skripal or of a natural translation from Russian.

Yulia is, of course, in protective custody "for her own safety". At the very best, she is being psychologically force-fed the story about the evil Russian government attempting to poison her with the doorknob, and she is being kept totally isolated from any influence that may reinforce any doubts she feels as to that story. There are much worse alternatives involving threat or the safety of her father. But even at the most benevolent reading of the British authorities' actions, Yulia Skripal is being kept incommunicado, and under duress.

Bill Ryan

12th April 2018, 15:48

But the above statement is in a particular type of formal, official English of a high level which only comes from a certain kind of native speaker.
"At the moment I do not wish to avail myself of their services" - wrote no native Russian speaker, ever.
Nor are the rhythms or idioms such as would in any way indicate a translation from Russian.

Right. Something to be considered here is that (certainly in the UK), suspect or witness statements formally given to the police for legal purposes are very often written by the police themselves, as a summary of a verbal interview or interviews, where the interviewer is taking notes. The person concerned then reads it (or has it read to them), and then signs it off if they feel it's fair and accurate.

That doesn't mean that in this case there wasn't some kind of coercion or sleight of hand involved! But Craig Murray does seem to be British... he refers to his 'mobile phone' (the British term), and not his 'cellphone', so if he's a Brit he really should know about UK police statement processes.

Hervé

12th April 2018, 16:57

[...]
... Craig Murray does seem to be British... he refers to his 'mobile phone' (the British term), and not his 'cellphone', so if he's a Brit he really should know about UK police statement processes.
Right ^^^ Craig Murray is Britain’s ex-ambassador to Uzbekistan and probably wrote that piece to emphasize a strong counter point to what the BBC spews around:

[...]
... In her statement, Ms Skripal said she found herself in "a totally different life than
the ordinary one I left just over a month ago".

read more....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43733765
Craig Murray just juxtaposes the contradicting data:

Julia calls her cousin at first opportunity and did say a number of things
the transcribed police statement

Cidersomerset

13th April 2018, 17:54

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Salisbury poisoning: Russia 'targeted' Yulia Skripal email

13/4/18

Russian intelligence agencies targeted poison victim Yulia Skripal's email
account as early as 2013, the UK's national security adviser has said.

In a letter to Nato, Sir Mark Sedwill also said Russia trained "special units"
to use nerve agents, including applying them to door handles.

Police said a nerve agent was found on Yulia's father Sergei Skripal's front door in Salisbury.

Sir Mark is to brief Nato on Sunday about the 4 March attack.

read more....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43755789

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What’s BZ? OPCW may’ve misidentified nerve agent used in Skripal poisoning, Lavrov says

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKrwXhmEiw0

Published on 14 Apr 2018
Russia's foreign minister has claimed the international chemical weapons watchdog
- the OPCW - may have misidentified the type of nerve agent used against the
Skripals in England last month. More details now from Hanisha Sethi.

Hervé

14th April 2018, 19:52

BZ Substance Possessed by UK, US, Allegedly Used in Salisbury - Lavrov (https://sputniknews.com/world/201804141063562843-russia-lavrov-bz-uk-us-poison/)

Sputnik World (https://sputniknews.com/world/)
17:20 14.04.2018
(updated 20:48 14.04.2018)

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The United Kingdom has accused Moscow of poisoning ex-Russian spy Sergei Skripal in the UK town of Salisbury with what UK experts have claimed was an A234 nerve agent, which had allegedly been produced in the Soviet Union.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said citing data from the Swiss laboratory that the BZ toxin was used in the poisoning of the Skripals, adding that the chemical has been in the possession of the US and the UK, but has never been produced in Russia. Specialists from the laboratory finished examining the samples on March 27.
"Based on the results of the examination, traces of the toxic chemical BZ and its precursors, related to chemical weapons of the second category in accordance with the Convention on the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, were found in the samples. BZ is a nerve agent temporarily disabling a person. The effect is achieved within 30-60 minutes and lasts up to four days," Lavrov said, citing the results of the Swiss lab's examination.
Lavrov went on to ask why the Organization for Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), which is investigating the poisoning, hasn't taken the information about the BZ chemical into consideration. He also pointed out that the BZ chemical, as well as the Novichok toxin, was not mentioned in the OPCW's final report.
"If, of course, the OPCW refutes the fact of using the laboratory of Spiez, it will be interesting to listen to its explanations," the foreign minister added.
OPCW experts determined that a toxic chemical of high purity was used in the Skripal poisoning, but did not mention who could have been behind the incident.

Lavrov went on to state that Moscow seeks to focus on facts regarding the so-called Skripal case. He noted that the UK authorities don't answer Moscow's questions on the issue, saying the Russian authorities should answer the questions first.

Skripal and his daughter were found unconscious on March 4 on a bench at a shopping center in the UK city of Salisbury. London has accused Moscow of orchestrating the attack. Soon after the incident, London expelled 23 Russian diplomatic workers in retaliation. Over 25 countries have since expelled Russian diplomats "in solidarity" with London. Moscow has denied the accusations as baseless, offering assistance in the investigation.

Hervé

15th April 2018, 14:38

Skripal Case Bombshell: Swiss Lab Reports 'BZ Toxin' Used In Salisbury - Chemical Not Produced In Russia, Only NATO States (https://www.rt.com/news/424149-skripal-poisoning-bz-lavrov/)

RT (https://www.rt.com/news/424149-skripal-poisoning-bz-lavrov/)
Sat, 14 Apr 2018 14:37 UTC

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'Oh dear'

The substance used on Sergei Skripal was an agent called BZ, according to Swiss state Spiez lab, the Russian foreign minister said. The toxin was never produced in Russia, but was in service in the US, UK, and other NATO states.

Sergei Skripal, a former Russian double agent, and his daughter Yulia were poisoned with an incapacitating toxin known as 3-Quinuclidinyl benzilate or BZ, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said, citing the results of the examination conducted by a Swiss chemical lab that worked with the samples that London handed over to the Organisation for the Prohibition of the Chemical Weapons (OPCW).

The Swiss center sent the results to the OPCW. However, the UN chemical watchdog limited itself only to confirming the formula of the substance used to poison the Skripals in its final report without mentioning anything about the other facts presented in the Swiss document, the Russian foreign minister added. He went on to say that Moscow would ask the OPCW about its decision to not include any other information provided by the Swiss in its report.

The Swiss center mentioned by Lavrov is the Spiez Laboratory controlled by the Swiss Federal Office for Civil Protection and ultimately by the country's defense minister. The lab is also an internationally recognized center of excellence in the field of the nuclear, biological, and chemical protection and is one of the five centers permanently authorized by the OPCW.

The Russian foreign minister said that London refused to answer dozens of "very specific" questions asked by Moscow about the Salisbury case, as well as to provide any substantial evidence that could shed light on the incident. Instead, the UK accused Russia of failing to answer its own questions, he said, adding that, in fact, London did not ask any questions but wanted Moscow to admit that it was responsible for the delivery of the chemical agent to the UK.

The scandal erupted in early March, when former double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia were found in critical condition in the town of Salisbury. Top UK officials almost immediately pinned the blame on Russia.

Moscow believes that the entire Skripal case lacks transparency and that the UK is in fact not interested in an independent inquiry. "We get the impression that the British government is deliberately pursuing the policy of destroying all possible evidence, classifying all remaining materials and making a transparent investigation impossible," the Russian ambassador to the UK, Alexander Yakovenko, said during a press conference on Friday.

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More from Fort Russ News (https://www.fort-russ.com/2018/04/lavrov-swiss-lab-reports-skripal-toxin-not-russian-but-us-uk/):
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov stated:

"Based on the results of the investigation, traces of the toxic chemical BZ and its precursors, related to chemical weapons of the second category under the Chemical Weapons Convention, were found in the samples. BZ is a nerve gas that temporarily puts a person out of action. The effect is achieved within 30-50 minutes and lasts for up to four days."

Police officers are preparing the material while the OPCW (Prohibition of Chemical Weapons) inspectors are working on the incident surrounding former Russian agent Sergei Skripal in Salisbury.

"Of course, if the OPCW rejects the findings of the Spiez Laboratory, it will be interesting to hear the explanations," said the Foreign Minister.

Previously, OPCW experts found that the Skripal poisoning used a high purity, toxic chemical, but did not say who was behind the incident. SOTT Comment (https://www.sott.net/article/382859-Skripal-Case-Bombshell-Swiss-Lab-Reports-BZ-Toxin-Used-In-Salisbury-Chemical-Not-Produced-In-Russia-Only-NATO-States):
Oops, slight flaw in the Russia-did-it conspiracy theory there.

From the description of its effects, it sounds like a match for the Skripals' condition: 'temporarily put out of action'.

The Western media is deathly silent about this inconvenient fact.

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Sounds like a few more "Families" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42567-We-Need-to-Depopulate-the-Earth&p=451723&viewfull=1#post451723) earned their ticket to "salvation"....

Cidersomerset

17th April 2018, 09:58

Sergei Lavrov makes it clear this is western manipulation to set up rebels to
create false chemical attacks to give the west an excuse to escalate on behalf
of their proxies and keep the fighting going...

The second part of the interview is on the Skripal case.

EXCLUSIVE, FULL & UNEDITED Interview Of Lavrov To BBC...Hard Talk.

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Published on 16 Apr 2018
Credit to Russian MFA https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrVo...
The footage is made by the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, not BBC.
Russian Minister Of Foreign Affairs Gave An Interview To BBC host Stephen Sackur.

ThePythonicCow

17th April 2018, 13:38

Russian Minister Of Foreign Affairs Sergei Lavrov Gave An Interview To BBC host Stephen Sackur.
The BBC interviewer, Stephen Sackur, has bad manners, does not listen and is not factual ... just as Lavrov states.

Lavrov is quite capable and credible.

Cidersomerset

17th April 2018, 16:08

Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
Russian Minister Of Foreign Affairs Sergei Lavrov Gave An Interview To BBC host Stephen Sackur.

The BBC interviewer, Stephen Sackur, has bad manners, does not listen and is not factual ... just as Lavrov states.
Lavrov is quite capable and credible.

Russia's Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov - BBC HARDtalk rushes ...17/4/18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zJ41whNgR0

Yeah and I think Lavrov told him that in the interview or words to that effect.

The show has been going for a long time and is like this to all guests its
on after the watershed ( 9pm) as it can be controversial and its hall mark
and is longer than the usual 5 - 10 min news sound bite. Saying that Stephen
Sackur was not open minded and was coming from the mainstream media
point of view completely....

I thought Lavrov came over very well and as a canny old politician kept his cool and
made valid points Sucker tried to ignore. Lavrov knew what to expect as he has
been on before and though he is following the Moscow line as would be expected.
The info so far does not make sense from the UK official story and being only 8
miles from Porton Down the UK chemical weapons centre is another one of those
coincidences that seem to appear in all these events....

Sucker is 'hard' or rude to all guests Roger Stone was on a couple
months ago.

180207 BBC News HARDtalk Roger Stone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYPov-AupeI
Published on 7 Feb 2018

Hard Talk with the Russian Press Secretary Mr Peskov
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNwy6tvRdH4
Published on 11 Feb 2017

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Russian spy: Skripal poison 'was in liquid form'

17/4/18

The nerve agent used to poison former spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter
Yulia was delivered "in a liquid form", the Department for Environment says.

Only "a very small amount" was used on the pair, who were found unconscious
on a bench in Salisbury on 4 March.

A massive clean-up operation is beginning to decontaminate nine sites in the city
- it will take several months and cost millions of pounds.

The UK says Russia was behind the attack, but Moscow denies involvement.

Yulia, 33, left hospital earlier this month. Her 66-year-old father is said to be
recovering more slowly but is expected to eventually be discharged.

read more....

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43798068

Cidersomerset

18th April 2018, 21:53

No data on Novichok's country or lab of origin – UK delegation at OPCW

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Published on 18 Apr 2018
OPCW representatives say they cannot identify the country or
laboratory of origin of the nerve agent used in the Skripal poisoning.
READ MORE: https://on.rt.com/93j2

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Britain admits OPCW did not confirm 'essential evidence' on origin of Skripal poison

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Published on 18 Apr 2018
"The formula for these agents are out in the world" says Annie Machon as Britain
admits Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) did not
confirm ‘essential evidence’ on origin of Skripal poison.

MORE: https://on.rt.com/93j2

Tintin

19th April 2018, 14:49

Another informed and well stated viewpoint from Craig Murray here: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/04/senior-civil-servants-still-deeply-sceptical-of-russian-responsibility-for-skripal-poisoning/

He is extremely well placed to comment having worked for the FCO himself, and being privy to civil service practice, first hand.

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Senior Civil Servants Still Deeply Sceptical of Russian Responsibility for Skripal Poisoning

18 Apr, 2018 in Uncategorized by craig

Well-placed FCO sources tell me it remains the case that senior civil servants in both the FCO and Home Office remain very sceptical of Russian guilt in the Skripal case.

It remains the case that Porton Down scientists have identified the chemical as a “novichok-style” nerve agent but still cannot tie its production to Russia – there are many other possibilities. The effort to identify the actual perpetrator is making no headway, with the police having eliminated by alibi the Russian air passenger on the same flight as Julia Skripal identified as suspicious by MI5 purely on grounds of the brevity of their stay.

That senior civil servants do not regard Russian responsibility as a fact is graphically revealed in this minute from head of the civil service, Sir Jeremy Heywood, sent to officials following the attack on Syria. Note the very careful use of language:

"Their work was instrumental in ensuring widespread international support for the Government’s position on Russian responsibility for the Salisbury attack."

This is very deliberate use of language by Sir Jeremy. Exactly as I explained with the phrase “of a type developed by Russia” about the nerve agent, you have to parse extremely carefully what is written by the senior civil service. They do not write extra phrases for no reason.

Sir Jeremy could have simply written of Russian responsibility as a fact, but he did not. His reference to “the government’s position on Russian responsibility” is very deliberate and an acknowledgement that other positions are possible. He deliberately refrains from asserting Russian responsibility as a fact. This is no accident and is tailored to the known views of responsible civil servants in the relevant departments, to whom he is writing.

This in no way detracts from the fact that Sir Jeremy takes it as read that it is the duty of civil servants to follow “the Government’s position”. But it is an acknowledgement that they do not have privately to believe it.

Allied missile strikes on Syria – a message from the Head of the Civil Service

In the early hours of 14 April, the armed forces of the United Kingdom, the United States and France launched a series of co-ordinated strikes on sites in Syria linked with the production and storage of chemical weapons.

This was in response to the use of prohibited chemical weapons by the Syrian regime against the civilian population of Douma, whose horrific consequences were widely reported.

I want to thank civil servants in a number of departments, but especially in the Foreign & Commonwealth Office, the Ministry of Defence, Department for International Development, Department for Health and Social Care (and Public Health England), Department for Environment, Food, and Rural Affairs, and the Cabinet Office, for their work after the attack on Douma and throughout the allied operation.

This response was designed to degrade the Syrian regime’s chemical weapons capability and as a deterrent to their future use.

Coming after the nerve agent attack in Salisbury just over a month ago, I also want to take this opportunity to renew my gratitude to the hundreds of public servants – at home and abroad – involved in the response to that attack and the ongoing investigation. Their work was instrumental in ensuring widespread international support for the Government’s position on Russian responsibility for the Salisbury attack and the participation of many nations in the diplomatic sanctions that followed.

We could wish it was in different circumstances. However, the response to the Salisbury incident and the chemical attack on Douma showed the public service at its best: collaborative, professional and quick to act in the national interest, even under the greatest pressure.

Jeremy Heywood
Cabinet Secretary and Head of the Civil Service

Cidersomerset

20th April 2018, 06:33

The man who made Novichok - BBC News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trqUxpPzb3g
Published on 19 Apr 2018
Skripal poisoning: The man who made Novichok.The BBC's Steve
Rosenberg speaks to retired Russian scientist Vladimir Uglev who
says he manufactured a Novichok nerve agent.

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Salisbury attack: Scientist Vladimir Uglev 'helped create Novichok'

19/4/19

Moscow continues to deny the existence of a chemical weapons
programme called Novichok. But this is a question of semantics.
On Russia's Black Sea coast I meet Vladimir Uglev, a scientist
who helped develop nerve agents for the Soviet Union.

"The aim of the programme was to produce a substance far
more powerful than the nerve agent VX - 10 times more powerful,"
he tells me. "And that's what we got." Mr Uglev, 71, claims he
created the poison that was used in the attack on Sergei and
Yulia Skripal in Salisbury on 4 March. It has been identified in
Russia by the code A-234.

read more...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43828580

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Spy poisoning: Salisbury residents warned of toxic 'hotspots'

20/4/18

Toxic "hotspots" of the nerve agent used to poison a former spy
and his daughter could still be present around Salisbury, a
government scientist says.Ian Boyd was addressing a public
meeting in the city, during which people expressed frustration
at the continued closure of several sites.
Read more....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43833582

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Russia to OPCW: Russia gave proof 'Novichok' patented in US in 2015

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Published on 19 Apr 2018
"The more this story goes on, the more the wheels fall off the wagon of the initial
allegations" says independent journalist Martin Summers as Russia reveals to
Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) they gave
proof 'Novichok' was patented in US in 2015.
MORE: https://on.rt.com/93kp

Cidersomerset

20th April 2018, 19:54

UK: Yakovenko slams UK for 'abduction of Russian citizens' for Skripal case

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Published on 20 Apr 2018
Russia's Ambassador to the United Kingdom Alexander Yakovenko claimed that
the Russian side sent a request to allow the medical examination of Yulia Skripal
and received no answer, adding "now we have more reasons to qualify the situation
as the abduction of two Russian citizens," during a press conference in London on Friday.

He went on to say that “This is just the international law, and declining our request is
just the violation of the international law. What do we want? We want to see that she
is in a good shape, in a good health, and [if] she will tell us personally that 'I
don'tneed your services' and that's it.”

Answering a question on whether Yulia Skripal might be "fearful" to meet the Russian side,
Yakovenko answered, "I don't think so. Why she is not allowed to talk to her sister, to her
cousin?," adding “I want to talk personally, sorry about that. [It's] very simple. We're old fashioned."

Former spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia were allegedly poisoned by a nerve agent
in Salisbury on March 4. The UK has blamed Moscow for the incident, while the Kremlin has
denied any involvement in the affair.

Cidersomerset

24th April 2018, 00:41

Novichok: Behind nerve agent (Inconvenient facts surrounding Skripal saga)

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Published on 23 Apr 2018
Keep calm & blame Russia: RT’s story of inconvenient facts surrounding Skripal saga:
If countless Russia-bashing pieces don’t help you get the big picture of the lingering
the saga, a report by RT’s Murad Gazdiev may. He scrutinized the major slipups in
the UK government’s (and their pundits’) narrative.
READ MORE: https://on.rt.com/93ud

Cara

24th April 2018, 06:23

So two Russian pranksters pretended to be the Polish Prime Minister, called the OPCW and got an official to admit the poisoning agent could be from anywhere.... another dent in the case.

This is not the first prank call they’ve made to western officials.... a quick internet search finds a few more cases easily, including Nikki Haley (https://sputniknews.com/viral/201801151060770383-new-song-dedicated-to-nikki-haley/)

LISTEN as OPCW Chief Allegedly Admits Skripal Poison Could Be Made Anywhere

Vladimir 'Vovan' Kuznetsov and Alexei 'Lexus' Stolyarov, the pair of Russian telephone pranksters well-known (https://sputniknews.com/viral/201801151060770383-new-song-dedicated-to-nikki-haley/) for their constant trolling of Western officials, have put out an audio recording of what they say is their conversation with Ahmet Uzumcu, the director general of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW).

Posing as Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki, the pranksters got the man in the tape to admit that the nerve agent used to poison Russian ex-spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia could have been made anywhere, and to point out that the British government never gave the OPCW the mandate to trace the source of the chemical.

Here is a partial transcript of their conversation:

Alleged Ahmet Uzumcu: As far as the OPCW involvement is concerned Mr. Prime Minister, we were asked by the United Kingdom to provide technical assistance, to take samples and to analyze them in our designated laboratories, which are very reliable. The work was done and it is now concluded. The results in fact confirm as far as the identity of the chemical which was used. We were able to confirm the results achieved by the British authorities. We don't call it with the same name, but the nature of the chemical is in fact identical, as far as the chemistry is concerned. So the formula is the same and so on. They call it Novichok; we cannot call it Novichok because Novichok is a terminology used by Western countries. It's not universally used…It's like calling water and H20.

But our laboratories and experts of course were not mandated to trace the source, the origin of this chemical to any country. The British have of course taken their own position, because they may have additional information which we do not have. In any case, our mandate was limited to identifying the chemical, which is done now…

Pranksters posing as Morawiecki: I understand and I know. You know I don't specialize in chemistry, and I have only basic knowledge, so please excuse me if I ask you to explain to me some basic simple things. First of all, Salisbury: based on the report we defined the chemical composition and now understand that those who prepared the substance had a high level lab, correct?

Alleged Ahmet Uzumcu: Our laboratories found that the toxic chemical which was used was of a high purity. That means according to our experts that it could not be done by say a terrorist or organized crime or individuals, but rather should have been done by real experts who had experience in this field. This could only be done in full-fledged facilities or laboratories. It could not be done [just] anywhere.

Pranksters posing as Morawiecki: But you are not sure that it could be produced by a state?

Alleged Ahmet Uzumcu: We cannot be sure. Our experts cannot verify this, but they think that it was done by real experts.

Pranksters posing as Morawiecki: Ok. So it's not possible that it was produced by a private actor?

Alleged Ahmet Uzumcu: Oh no. I think we can exclude this, yes. I don't think it can be done.

Pranksters posing as Morawiecki: Ok, so if it is a state, I hope you understand that it could be only Russia. If not, do you have any ideas which other states could have developed this substance? In theory such labs are in Russia, but [also] in Great Britain, the USA, Ukraine and even in Poland as well.

Alleged Ahmet Uzumcu: Mr. Prime Minister, according to our experts, it can be produced in any state. This cannot be excluded. However, also, the Russians claim that there were some research activities on such substances elsewhere, which may be true. But the states which may have conducted such activities would have done it for protective, defensive purposes [aimed at determining] how to detect it, how to defend or develop some antidotes against the use of such substances and so on. But these activities are allowed by the [Chemical Weapons] Convention. They can be conducted, and they don't need to be declared.

However, if such research activities are conducted for the production of such substances, and for their use in fact to harm people in warfare and so on, of course they need to be declared, and so far we didn't receive such as declaration from any member country of the OPCW.

Pranksters posing as Morawiecki: So it could be produced in any country?

Alleged Ahmet Uzumcu: In theory yes!

Pranksters posing as Morawiecki: In theory yes…So even in the US?

Alleged Ahmet Uzumcu: Oh absolutely! In any country where there would be some chemistry expertise. Because the material which is used, as I'm told by our experts, is accessible. So that's the problem we face with this toxic chemical. The material to produce it is available without any restrictions. However, a high degree of expertise is required, and also a good laboratory is required.

Listen to the full audio of Vovan and Lexus' conversation with the man believed to be Ahmet Uzumcu here:
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In the second part of the audio, the man identified as Uzumcu tells the pranksters that Russia seems supportive of OPCW investigators' deployment to Syria to investigate the alleged Douma chemical attack. He adds that he "cannot verify" speculation by some Western powers that Russia and Syria were "cleaning up the place" before the investigators' arrival.

From here: https://sputniknews.com/europe/201804231063838115-opcw-chief-prank-phonecall/

Tintin

28th April 2018, 16:48

An update from Craig Murray today on this peculiar episode.

This blog entry deals with the issue of D-notices.

Here's a description of what a D-notice is:

(DA) Notice system
www.dnotice.org.uk/

The DA Notice system is a voluntary code that provides guidance to the British media on the publication or broadcasting of national security information. The objective is to prevent inadvertent public disclosure of information that would compromise UK military and intelligence operations and methods.

Of particular interest are the comments from Clive Ponting, another person who would have inside knowledge on how certain agencies are likely to either have been involved, directly, or, tasked with throwing snow over the whole affair.

And the article in full, below.

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"That the [UK] government’s very first act on the poisoning was to ban all media mention of Pablo Miller makes it extremely probable that this whole incident is related to the Trump dossier and that Skripal had worked on it...."

Probable Western Responsibility for Skripal Poisoning (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/04/probable-western-responsibility-for-skripal-poisoning/)

28 Apr, 2018 in Uncategorized by craig | View Comments

UPDATE: Stupidly I had forgotten this vital confirmation from Channel 4 News (serial rebel Alex Thomson) of the D Notice in place on mention of Pablo Miller.

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Back then I did not realise what I now know, that the person being protected was Pablo Miller, colleague in both MI6 then Orbis Intelligence of Christopher Steele, author of the fabrications of the Trump/Russia golden shower dossier (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/01/hitler-diaries-mark-ii-hope-changed-mattress/) [my emphasis - TQ].

That the government’s very first act on the poisoning was to ban all media mention of Pablo Miller makes it extremely probable that this whole incident is related to the Trump dossier and that Skripal had worked on it, as I immediately suspected. The most probable cause is that Skripal – who you should remember had traded the names of Russian agents to Britain for cash – had worked on the dossier with Miller but was threatening to expose its lies for cash.

ORIGINAL POST: This comment from Clive Ponting, doyen of British whistleblowers, appeared on my website and he has now given me permission to republish it under his full name:

"I have been reading the blogs for some time but this is my first post. Like Craig I was a senior civil servant but in the ministry of defence not the FCO. I had plenty of dealings with all three intelligence agencies. It seems to me that the reason none of the MSM are doing any investigating/reporting of the Salisbury affair, apart from official handouts, is that the government have slapped a D-Notice over the whole incident and it is not possible to report that a notice has been issued.

Here is another theory as to what happened.

The Russians pardoned Skripal and allowed him to leave (spy agencies have an understanding that agents will always be swapped after an interval – it’s the only protection they have and helps recruitment). In the UK Skripal would have been thoroughly debriefed by MI6 and MI5 (his ex-handler lives near Salisbury).

If at some point they discovered that Skripal was giving them false information, perhaps he was told to do so by the FSB as a condition of his release, lives may have been endangered/lost. If he also was also involved in the ‘golden showers’ dossier then elements in the US would have a reason to act as well. The whole incident was an inside job not to kill him, hence the use of BZ, but to give him a warning and a punishment. The whole thing is being treated as though the authorities know exactly what went on but have to cover it up."

Addendum

"I meant to add that the policeman who ‘just happened’ to be around was almost certainly the special branch ‘minder’ who was keeping Yulia under surveillance. The media are not allowed to mention the existence of a D notice."

Those of us who have been in the belly of the beast and have worked closely with the intelligence services, really do know what they and the British government are capable of. They are not “white knights”.

I would add it has been very plain from day one that there is a D notice on Pablo Miller.

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Hervé

2nd May 2018, 01:56

Salisbury-gate smoking gun found? Initial reports said Skripals poisoned with Fentanyl (https://www.sott.net/article/384462-Salisbury-gate-smoking-gun-found-Initial-reports-said-Skripals-poisoned-with-Fentanyl#)

Nick Griffin Sott.net (https://www.sott.net/article/384462-Salisbury-gate-smoking-gun-found-Initial-reports-said-Skripals-poisoned-with-Fentanyl#)
Tue, 01 May 2018 20:00 UTC
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The entire UK press is refusing to tell the British public of revelations about the Skripal poisoning in Salisbury which - if revealed - would surely lead to the sacking of Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson and could even bring down the entire Theresa May regime.

The UK's press has gone strangely quiet on the Skripal case. After the huge uproar over the Salisbury poisoning incident and the miraculous recovery of all the victims of "Putin's deadly nerve agent Novichok", there is only silence. But remarkable revelations in the small print of a local newspaper and the website of a specialist health journal tell us why.

First, consider for a moment what is missing: Where are the further statements from Julia Skripal? Where is she and why have there been no further briefings about the health? Has she visited her father in hospital? If yes, why has this not been reported? If, no, why not?

What has happened to the daily updates on Sergei Skripal? The last reports suggested that he would shortly be able to leave hospital, so has he done so? If not, how is he? How did he take the news that the British state killed all his pets and incinerated the evidence that they were not contaminated with Novichok?

But the failure of the UK's mainstream media to update the British public on important aspects of the Skripal case goes much, much further than this.

First, we have the little noticed fact that the May regime has used at least one D Notice to stifle press coverage of the affair. The government order gagging the press was apparently issued to protect the cover of the MI6 operative who was Sergei Skripal's 'handler'. With the customary incompetence of this government, the D Notice was actually issued after some sections of the press had published his name, and more importantly, the fact that he worked for Orbis Business Intelligence, the company which created the fake news "Dirty Dossier" about Donald Trump.

It is customary for the media not to reveal that they have been hit with a D Notice; after all, they don't like to admit that they are under government control and obey government censorship diktats - that's something that's supposed to happen only under 'totalitarian regimes', after all.

In this case, however, the truth was revealed by Alex Thomson, chief correspondent and presenter of Channel 4 News. Thomson tweeted about it on March 12th:

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While the D Notice apparently warned off Britain's pitifully compliant 'mainstream', however, one Bulgarian journalist was much more tenacious and principled.

In 2017 investigative journalist Dilyana Gaytandzhiev reported about massive air transports of weapons from Europe to Syrian 'rebels' (https://trud.bg/350-diplomatic-flights-carry-weapons-for-terrorists/) under diplomatic cover and got fired over it. On April 26th, however, she made another interesting find. She tweeted (https://twitter.com/dgaytandzhieva/status/989616317484421125) that:

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/958289415494885376/GwzxOqEe_bigger.jpg Dilyana Gaytandzhieva‏ @dgaytandzhieva (https://twitter.com/dgaytandzhieva)

The #Skripals (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Skripals?src=hash) were allegedly exposed to the drug #Fentanyl (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Fentanyl?src=hash), not the #Novichok (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Novichok?src=hash) nerve agent, according to information obtained from the UK Clinical Services Journal https://www.clinicalservicesjournal.com/story/25262/response-unit-called-as-salisbury-hospital-declares-major-incident … (https://t.co/if3FuFQHaj)

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2:24 PM - 26 Apr 2018
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Clinical Services Journal is a specialist publication for healthcare professionals in the UK's acute healthcare sector. It is thus a serious publication written by and for people very familiar with issues such as opioid poisoning.

The Clinical Services Journal piece Gaytandzhiev had found is from March 5th, 2018, the day after the Skripal incident in Salisbury. In its original version it read:
Salisbury District Hospital declared a "major incident" on Monday 5 March, after two patients were exposed to an opioid [...] It followed an incident hours earlier in which a man and a woman were exposed to the drug Fentanyl in the city centre. The opioid is 10,000 times stronger than heroin.
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On April 27th, a day after the article was publicised, but more than seven weeks after the Skripals were poisoned, the article was changed. Once more, it was Dilyana Gaytandzhiev doing the work that the compliant and cowardly UK media failed to do. She tweeted again (https://twitter.com/dgaytandzhieva/status/989839702491586561):

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/958289415494885376/GwzxOqEe_bigger.jpg Dilyana Gaytandzhieva‏ @dgaytandzhieva (https://twitter.com/dgaytandzhieva)

The #Skripals (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Skripals?src=hash) were exposed to #Fentanyl (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Fentanyl?src=hash), not #Novichok (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Novichok?src=hash). After I published this information yesterday (26.04.) the Clinical Services Journal redacted it today https://www.clinicalservicesjournal.com/story/25262/response-unit-called-as-salisbury-hospital-declares-major-incident … (https://t.co/if3FuFQHaj)

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5:12 AM - 27 Apr 2018
30 replies 426 retweets 343 likes The second line of the doctored article now reads:
"It followed an incident hours earlier in which a man and a woman were exposed to a substance in the city centre." All reference to Fentanyl as the cause of the Skripals' illness in the March 5th article was removed between April 26th and April 27th. That said - again displaying the sloppy incompetence of those responsible for the monstrously irresponsible Novichok hoax - the article still contains a reference to an opioid:

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Nor was the CSJ the only outlet which reported the Fentanyl. The local Salisbury Journal reported it on March 5th and - at present - the piece is still up on its website (http://www.salisburyjournal.co.uk/news/16066343.Critically_ill_man_is_former_Russian_spy/?ref=arc):
"Police declared a major incident after a man in his 60s and a woman in her 30s were found unconscious on a bench in the shopping centre on Sunday.

"Emergency services at the scene suspected the substance may have been a powerful drug called fentanyl, but nothing has yet been confirmed.

"They were taken to Salisbury District Hospital where they are in a critical condition in intensive care." Now, it could be argued that the initial fentanyl diagnosis was mistaken, and that the Skripals were indeed suffering from the effects of the ultra-deadly nerve agent which failed to kill either them, the people who first went to their aid on the bench, the police officer, the guinea pigs or the cat.

Such a claim would however clash with the government's explanation for the Skripals' miraculous survival - that as soon as they arrived they were given the antidote to Novichok which just happened to be in stock at an ordinary District General Hospital which does not even have a Poisons Unit.

Self-evidently, if they had been rendered unconscious through Novichok poisoning but treated for Fentanyl ingestion, the treatment would have failed and they would either have died or been left in a permanent vegetative state. After all, the press and medical experts all assured us that the effects of Novichok are fast-acting and irreversible.

If, one the other hand, they were indeed poisoned by Fentanyl, and treated as such, they would have stood a much better chance of survival and recovery.

All the more so because staff at Salisbury DGH have become somewhat expert at dealing with the effects of the heroin substitute. In November 2017 the Salisbury Journal reported about an unrelated Fentanyl overdose case. In 2016 Salisbury had a spike in Fentanyl OD cases.

Another local news site, Devon Live, also carried the original report on March 5th, under the headline (https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/major-chemical-incident-declared-after-1299623): 'Major chemical incident declared after 10 people vomited Fentanyl and two are critically ill':
"It is understood that police suspect Fentanyl, a synthetic opiate many times stronger than heroin, may have been involved. A man and a woman are in a critical condition and up to 10 other people are involved.

"Officers and paramedics were called to The Maltings shopping centre in Salisbury after the man and a woman fell ill. The woman, who was unconscious, was airlifted to Salisbury district hospital at about 4.15pm, while the man was taken by ambulance. [...]

"It was recently reported that Fentanyl has claimed the lives of at least 60 people in the UK over the last eight months." The Devon Live report is still (at present) online in its original form. It links to the first Wiltshire Police statement on the case and quotes from it. Curiously the link is dead. The first official police statement on the Skripal case is "currently unavailable." 1

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All of which leaves us with one huge, unanswered question: Is the total silence of the entire British press on this extraordinary demolition of the government's "case" against Russia over the Skripal poisoning the result of a further D Notice?

Or is it a shocking example of collective self-censorship by a media elite which is as committed as the May regime and the hawks in Washington to the demonisation of Russia and increased Western intervention in Syria and Ukraine?

Because the evidence uncovered by a solitary young Bulgarian journalist could and should bring down at the very least Britain's sabre-rattling buffoon of a Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson. And, given the extraordinary international crisis the deliberate misdiagnosis has caused, Theresa May and the entire Tory government as well.

The scandal was far more dangerous, the failed cover-up is far more ridiculous, and the exposure is far more dramatic, than the events that brought down Nixon and made the classic film about Watergate. And Skripalgate surely has just as good a ring to it? But does the British media have a Bob Woodward or a Carl Bernstein? I think you can guess the answer...
Author Nick Griffin is a former Member of the European Parliament (2009 - 2014)

Note
1 The Wiltshire police report is cached on the Wayback Machine (https://web.archive.org/web/20180329100507/https://www.wiltshire.police.uk/article/1736/Major-incident-after-two-people-suspected-of-being-exposed-to-unknown-substance-in-Salisbury) archive

Cidersomerset

4th May 2018, 05:19

Czech President says country produced Novichok,
same nerve agent used on Skripals ...

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Published on 3 May 2018
Czech Republic's president Milos Zeman has confirmed that the country
has been involved in producing the type of nerve agent believed to have
been used to poison the former Russian spy, Sergey Skripal, and his
daughter in the UK in March.
READ MORE: https://on.rt.com/94jb

Cidersomerset

14th May 2018, 08:54

Ritchie asks the obvious questions and plays a clip from the BBC correspondent
Martin Blunt and comments. Some strong language....

The Monologue: Where The Hell Are The Skripals? Iran Fights Back & More.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU5Z-xw645E
Published on 10 May 2018...( 19 mins )...
Richie Allen has been producing and presenting television and radio programs for
the best part of twenty years. The Richie Allen Show airs Monday - Thursday at
7 PM GMT and at 11 AM UK Time each Sunday.

Cidersomerset

14th May 2018, 14:45

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MI5 chief: Russia trying to undermine European democracies

2 hours ago...14/5/18

Russia is seeking to undermine European democracies with "malign activities",
the MI5 chief has warned.Speaking to security chiefs in Berlin, Andrew Parker
also condemned Russia for the "reckless" poisoning of the Skripals in Salisbury.
Russia has denied involvement in the poisoning of Russian ex-spy Sergei Skripal
and his daughter Yulia.Mr Parker also warned Islamic State aspires to commit
"devastating" and "more complex" attacks in Europe.

In his first public comments about the nerve agent attack in March, Mr Parker
accused the Kremlin of "flagrant breaches of international rules"."The reckless
attempted assassination of Sergei Skripal, using a highly lethal nerve agent, put
numerous lives at risk, including that of his daughter," he said."It was only
through near-miraculous medical intervention that his and his daughter's lives
were saved, and wider preventive action was able to be taken."

The Russian government has repeatedly rejected accusations it was involved in
the attack. It has been the subject of condemnation and diplomatic sanctions
from the West over its alleged involvement.

read more...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44104260

Cidersomerset

18th May 2018, 12:22

Ex-spy Sergei Skripal discharged after poisoning - BBC News
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Published on 18 May 2018
Russian ex-spy Sergei Skripal has been discharged from hospital after
being poisoned with a nerve agent in Salisbury.The 66-year-old was found
slumped on a park bench in the city on 4 March, with his daughter Yulia.
They were taken to Salisbury District Hospital's intensive care unit, where
they were stabilised after being exposed to Novichok.

Ms Skripal was released on 9 April and was moved to a secure location.
Director of nursing Lorna Wilkinson said treating the Skripals had been "a
huge and unprecedented challenge".She added: "This is an important stage
in his recovery, which will now take place away from the hospital."

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Ex-spy Sergei Skripal discharged after poisoning

12 minutes ago...18/5/18

Russian ex-spy Sergei Skripal has been discharged from hospital, two months
after being poisoned with a nerve agent in Salisbury.The 66-year-old was found
slumped on a park bench in the city on 4 March, with his daughter Yulia.

They were taken to Salisbury District Hospital's intensive care unit, where they
were stabilised after being exposed to Novichok. Ms Skripal was released on 9
April and was moved to a secure location.It is not known whether Mr Skripal
has been taken to the same location as his daughter.The Metropolitan Police said
its investigation into the attack continued and it would not "be discussing any
protective or security arrangements that are in place".

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44165718

Cidersomerset

18th May 2018, 19:04

Sergei Skripal discharged from hospital after being poisoned by ‘deadly’ agent

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Published on 18 May 2018...RT...( 6 mins)...
Just over two months after reportedly being targeted by 'one of the most deadly
nerve agents ever produced', former Russian spy Sergei Skripal has been discharged
from a British hospital. READ MORE: https://on.rt.com/95jc

Hervé

22nd May 2018, 18:49

The UK owes Russia an explanation over Skripal case, and an apology (https://www.rt.com/op-ed/427124-skripal-novichok-uk-nhs/)

Robert Bridge RT (https://www.rt.com/op-ed/427124-skripal-novichok-uk-nhs/)
Tue, 22 May 2018 16:12 UTC

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Sergey and Yulia Skripal. © Global Look Press

Ever since the suspected poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal on British soil, for which the Kremlin has been duly blamed, the recovering pair has not been seen. Russia says the Skripals are being held against their will.

If ever the world needed the likes of a Sherlock Holmes to help solve a crime, now is certainly the time. But even London's legendary super sleuth would have trouble cracking the case of the missing Skripals - Sergei and his daughter, Yulia - and not least of all because their story is deeply fraught with political intrigue and skullduggery.

Indeed, not only does the British government refuse to share information on the case with Russia - despite the fact that it involves an apparent murder attempt on two Russian citizens - it has even refused to allow family members from visiting the victims in England.

Viktoria Skripal, the cousin of Yulia Skripal, has just had her UK visa application rejected (https://news.sky.com/story/skripals-are-being-forcefully-contained-russia-claims-11374984) for a second time, with no explanation provided.

Maria Zakharova, Russian foreign ministry spokeswoman, told Sky News that with regards to the fate of Yulia Skripal, "We have suspicions that she's been abducted, held against her will."

For those who may be unfamiliar with the story, Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia were reportedly exposed to the deadly nerve agent A-234, also known as 'Novichok,' in Salisbury, England on March 4.

Just days after the alleged poisoning, UK Prime Minister Theresa May promoted a conspiracy theory when she declared (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/12/russia-highly-likely-to-be-behind-poisoning-of-spy-says-theresa-may) - without any evidence - that it was "highly likely" the Russian government was to blame for the incident. She then proceeded to put Moscow on notice, saying it had 24 hours to come clean. To which Vladimir Putin dryly responded that one does not normally give ultimatums to a nuclear power.

The fact is, even an amateur sleuth could detect some glaring inconsistencies with the official story that should have prevented members of the UK government, like Boris Johnson, from jumping (https://www.rt.com/uk/423922-boris-salisbury-opcw-novichok/) on the crazy train against Russia. Consider, for example, the manner in which the Skripals were said to have been exposed to the nerve agent.

Detectives investigating the case "found the highest concentration of the nerve agent on the front door at the address,"according to a report in The Guardian. Thus, we are expected to believe that after being exposed to the deadliest nerve agent to ever escape from a lab, Sergei and Yulia Skripla then spent the next several hours wining and dining at a restaurant in Salisbury before police discovered the pair unconscious on a park bench.

They are both said to be recovering from their experience.

To understand just how preposterous that sounds, it is necessary to know a bit about this thing called Novichok. This nerve agent, which is said to be (https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/neuroscience/novichok-agent) 5-8 times more lethal than the VX nerve agent, produces symptoms in its victims within just 30 seconds to 2 minutes following exposure. A very unpleasant death - not a relaxing dinner - would typically soon follow.

Thus, if a military-grade nerve agent had really been used against the Skripals, how is it possible that the only resulting fatalities were that of the Skripal's pet guinea pigs, which reportedly (https://edition.cnn.com/2018/04/06/europe/sergei-skripal-cat-guinea-pigs-dead-intl/index.html) succumbed to dehydration - not poisoning - after being neglected inside of his house for many days? Moreover, does such glaring incompetence bear the hallmark signs of a "state-sponsored attack," as the British government claims it to be?

Meanwhile, efforts to shed some light on the mystery have only produced more confusion. Last month, for example, Alexander Yakovenko, Russian Envoy to the UK, slammed a probe carried out by the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), which he said "was conducted under control" of the British side.

"What we discovered is that the OPCW experts' work in the UK was not in accordance with the CWC standard procedures, but in bilateral format with the UK, which lacks transparency," he said.

Yakovenko emphasized what Russia has been saying all along: that the formula of the nerve agent A-234, also known as Novichok, "can be made and researched in any chemical laboratory."

Slowly but surely, that truth is being exposed.

Earlier this month, Czech President Milos Zeman admitted that his country had been involved in the production of Novichok (https://www.rt.com/uk/425826-czech-zeman-skripal-novichok/).

"One has to conclude that our country produced and tested Novichok, even though only in small quantities and then destroyed," the Czech leader told the Barrandov TV Channel. "There is no need to lie."

Meanwhile, just this week, a number of German broadcasters and daily newspapers, including [I]NDR and Die Zeit issued (https://www.rt.com/news/426944-germany-intelligence-novichok-formula/) a report revealing that a Russian scientist had provided German intelligence with information on the development of Novichok following the collapse of the Soviet Union. It cited unnamed sources within the German foreign intelligence service, the BND.

The report went on to disclose that then German Chancellor Helmut Kohl ordered the BND to share the formula with Berlin's "closest allies," including the intelligence services of the US and the UK.

Thus, many NATO countries, including the US and the UK, have long been aware of the chemical makeup of Novichok. This inconvenient truth significantly increases the number of possible suspects who may have been tempted, for whatever reason, to murder the Skripals.

Framing Russia, which is certainly in fashion these days in Western capitals, would seem to rank high on the list of possible motivating factors.

Whatever the case may be, none of this bodes particularly well for the future well-being of Sergei and Yulia Skripal - wherever they may be - two Russian citizens who seem to have been swept up in a game of high stakes at a time when hysteria-driven Russia-bashing has become all the rage.

At the time of writing, NHS England said Sergei Skripal had been discharged from the hospital. However, that announcement will unlikely provide any details as to the whereabouts of Mr. Skripal and his daughter, who was released in March. Citing patient confidentiality, NHS said they were unable to comment (https://www.rt.com/uk/427080-skripal-salisbury-nhs-poison/) on any details about the patients.

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All these emphases about "Novichok" which couldn't have been used against the Skripals -- or they be dead long ago -- leads me to conjecture it was a setup/prelude to a chemical bombing in Syria which didn't happen, for whatever reason, in order to get Russia to hold the bag... someone must have said "No!" like in Kosovo (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94731-Fake-News-and-the-War-on-Freedom-and-Truth&p=1202375&viewfull=1#post1202375)...

Hervé

23rd May 2018, 19:24

Returning to Russia is the ‘long-term’ goal: Yulia Skripal gives first interview (https://www.rt.com/news/427574-julia-skripal-first-interview/)

RT
Published time: 23 May, 2018 17:39
Edited time: 23 May, 2018 18:30
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In her first interview since surviving an alleged nerve agent attack, Yulia Skripal said she eventually wants to return to Russia. She has not shed any light on what happened in March in Salisbury.

"I came to the UK on the 3rd of March to visit my father, something I have done regularly in the past. After 20 days in a coma, I woke to the news that we had both been poisoned,” Skripal said in a video that was recorded by Reuters. She reiterated her words in a handwritten statement.

She and her father, Sergei Skripal, a former Russian double-agent, were found unconscious on a public bench in the British city of Salisbury on March 4. The UK government immediately accused Russia of being behind their poisoning, but it has yet to provide evidence for the claim. Skripal did not comment on who she thought was to blame for her poisoning.

"I still find it difficult to come to terms with the fact that both of us were attacked. We are so lucky to have both survived this attempted assassination. Our recovery has been slow and extremely painful,” she said. "The fact that a nerve agent was used to do this is shocking. I don't want to describe the details but the clinical treatment was invasive, painful and depressing.”

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She also said that she was “grateful” for the offers of assistance from the Russian Embassy, “but at the moment I do not wish to avail myself of their services.” Skripal reiterated what she had said in an earlier written statement released by British police: “no one speaks for me, or for my father, but ourselves."

Following the release of the interview, Russia’s Foreign Ministry spokeswoman addressed Yulia Skripal in a comment to RT.

“We’d like Yulia Skripal to know that not a single day passed without the Foreign Ministry, Russia’s Embassy in London trying to reach her with the main purpose to make sure she was not held against her will, she was not impersonated by somebody else, to get the first-hand information about her and her father’s condition,” Maria Zakharova said.

Skripal said that the ordeal had turned her life “upside down,” both “physically and emotionally.” She added that she was now focused on helping her father to make a full recovery, and that “in the long term I hope to return home to my country.”

London was quick to point the finger at Moscow over the incident, arguing that the alleged nerve agent used in the attack, A-230 or ‘Novichok,’ was only manufactured in Russia. However, UK officials have so far failed to provide evidence linking Moscow to attack, and the claim that the nerve agent could have only been made in Russia has been disputed by London’s own European allies.

In May, Czech President Milos Zeman acknowledged that his country had previously produced a nerve agent similar to the one that Britain claims was deployed against the Skripals. The admission was followed by an explosive story in the German media, which claimed that a sample of Novichok was obtained by German intelligence back in the 1990s and that Western countries, including the US and the UK, have long been aware of the chemical make-up of the nerve agent.

Russia has asked NATO to provide a full list of the member states that have conducted research on Novichok.

The Russian government has expressed serious doubts about whether a “military-grade” nerve agent was even used in the attack. Russian President Vladimir Putin recently noted that if Novichok had been used, the Skripals would have died almost instantly.

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The Moss Trooper

23rd May 2018, 21:16

The statement that Yulia has signed has either been dictated to her by a third-party, or her words and sentences have been taken and Anglicised and then written by her hand. Certain words, phrases and sentences are not those of a Russian national, speaking/writing English.

[From Hervé: Right: See post # 173 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102079-Sergei-Skripal-who-was-behind-the-Salisbury-poisoning&p=1219389&viewfull=1#post1219389) and #174 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102079-Sergei-Skripal-who-was-behind-the-Salisbury-poisoning&p=1219419&viewfull=1#post1219419)]

Cidersomerset

23rd May 2018, 21:39

The statement that Yulia has signed has either been dictated to her by a
third-party,
This does feel a bit staged as she implies ,and the fact she hopes to return to
Russia and seems not to recall how she ended in the coma does suggest that she
is not particularly worried about going back home or out right blaming Russia for
the incident other than what has been told by UK authorities.

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Russian spy poisoning: Yulia Skripal hopes to return to Russia

1 hour ago...23/5/18

Short vid on link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YGOewnOreU
"My life has been turned upside down" - Yulia Skripal's video statement in full

The daughter of an ex-Russian spy poisoned in Salisbury has said she is
"lucky to be alive" after the attack.Yulia Skripal and her father, Sergei,
were exposed to nerve agent Novichok in the city on 4 March.

In her first filmed public statement since the attack, Ms Skripal told Reuters
that her life had been "turned upside down" but she hoped to return to Russia
in the future.Her father was discharged from hospital earlier this month.
Ms Skripal spent six weeks in Salisbury District Hospital, and was discharged
after doctors there said she had responded "exceptionally well" to treatment.

Speaking to the news agency, she said she was continuing "to progress with
treatment" and her focus remains on her recovery."After 20 days in a coma,
I woke to the news that we may have been poisoned. I still find it difficult to
come to terms with the fact that both of us were attacked in a such a way."

Ms Skripal thanked the Russian embassy for its offer of assistance. But she
said she and her father were "not ready to take it".

read more....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-44232096/yulia-skripal-we-are-so-lucky-to-survive

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URGENT: Yulia Skripal gives first media interview since Salisbury Poisoning

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Published on 23 May 2018
Yulia Skripal - the woman poisoned in the UK alongside her double-agent father -
gives her first media interview since the incident, saying her life's been turned
upside down, and that she wants to return to Russia.

Tintin

24th May 2018, 15:44

Quite what the fictional Sherlock Holmes would have made of all this is something to ponder.

Today's blog post from Craig Murray summarises some of the key points brought to light over the last few weeks, and I'm also going to link here to Hervé's submission (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102079-Sergei-Skripal-who-was-behind-the-Salisbury-poisoning&p=1222834&viewfull=1#post1222834) further back in the thread so that we don't get bogged down with 'novichoks', which clearly do not seem to have had any part to play in this whole episode.

In case anyone here viewing this thread may have inadvertently 'switched off' or hasn't been paying close attention the word you will be looking for is fentanyl.

"The explanations by establishment stooges of how this “ten times more powerful than VX” nerve agent only works very slowly, but then very quickly, if it touches the skin, and still does not actually kill you, have struck me as simply desperate. They make May’s ringing claims of a weapon of mass destruction being used on British soil appear somewhat unjustified. Weapon of Upset Tummy does not sound quite so exciting."

Here's the article - I have emphasized some key points here:

Yulia Skripal and the Salisbury WUT
24 May, 2018 in Uncategorized by craig | View Comments

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/05/yulia-skripal-and-the-salisbury-wut/

It was happy to see Yulia alive and looking reasonably well yesterday, if understandably stressed. Notably, and in sharp contrast to Litvinenko, she levelled no accusations at Russia or anybody else for her poisoning.

In Russian she spoke quite naturally. Of the Russian Embassy she said very simply “I am not ready, I do not want their help”. Strangely this is again translated in the Reuters subtitles by the strangulated officialese of “I do not wish to avail myself of their services”, as originally stated in the unnatural Metropolitan Police statement issued on her behalf weeks ago.

“I do not wish to avail myself of their services” is simply not a translation of what she says in Russian and totally misses the “I am not ready” opening phrase of that sentence.

My conclusion is that Yulia’s statement was written by a British official and then translated to Russian for her to speak, rather than the other way round. Also that rather than translate what she said in Russian themselves for the subtitles, Reuters have subtitled using a British government script they have been given.

It would of course have been much more convincing had Sergei also been present. Duress cannot be ruled out when he is held by the British authorities.

I remain extremely suspicious that, at the very first chance she got in hospital, Yulia managed to get hold of a telephone (we don’t know how, it was not her own and she has not had access to one since) and phone her cousin Viktoria, yet since then the Skripals have made no attempt to contact their family in Russia. That includes no contact to Sergei’s aged mum, Yulia’s grandmother, who Viktoria cares for. Sergei normally calles his mother – who is 89 – regularly. This lack of contact is a worrying sign that the Skripals may be prevented from free communication to the outside world. Yulia’s controlled and scripted performance makes that more rather than less likely.

It is to me particularly concerning that Yulia does not seem to have social media access. The security services have the ability to give her internet risk free through impenetrable VPN. But they appear not to have done that.

We know a little more about the Salisbury attack now:
Nobody – not Porton Down, not the OPCW – has been able to state that the nerve agent found was of Russian manufacture, a fact which the MSM continues to disgracefully fudge with “developed in Russia” phrasing. As is now well known and was reported by Iran in scientific literature, Iran synthesised five novichoks recently. More importantly, the German spying agency BND obtained novichok in the 1990s and it was studied and synthesised in several NATO countries, almost certainly including the UK and USA.

In 1998, chemical formulae for novichok were introduced into the United States NIST National Institute of Standards and Technologies Mass Spectrometry Library database by U.S. Army Edgewood Chemical and Biological Defense Command, but the entry was later deleted. In 2009 Hillary Clinton instructed US diplomats to feign ignorance of novichoks, as revealed by the last paragraph of this Wikileaks released diplomatic cable.

Most telling was the Sky News interview with the head of Porton Down. Interviewer Paul Kelso repeatedly pressed Aitkenhead directly on whether the novichok could have come from Porton Down.

Aitkenhead replies:

“There is no way, anything like that could…leave these four walls. We deal with a number of toxic substances in the work that we do, we’ve got the highest levels of security and controls”.

Asked again twice, he each times says the security is so tight “the substance” could not have come from Porton Down. What Aitkenhead does NOT say is “of course it could not have come from here, we have never made it”.

Indeed Aitkenhead’s repeated assertion that the security would never have let it out, is tantamount to an admission Porton Down does produce novichok.

If somebody asked you whether the lion that savaged somebody came from your garden, would you reply “Don’t be stupid, I don’t have a lion in my garden” or would you say, repeatedly, “Of course not, I have a very strong lion cage?”.

Here (https://youtu.be/twh0vRUF9zY) you can see Mr Aitkenhead explain repeatedly he has a big lion cage, from 2’25” in.

So the question of where the nerve agent was made remains unresolved. The MSM has continually attempted to lie about this and affirm that all novichok is Russian made. The worst of corporate and state journalism in the UK was exposed when they took the OPCW’s report that it confirmed the findings of Porton Down and presented that as confirming the Johnson/May assertion that it was Russia, whereas the findings of Porton Down were actually – as the Aitkenhead interview stated categorically – that they could not say where it was made.

The other relatively new development is the knowledge that Skripal had not retired but was active for MI6 on gigs briefing overseas intelligence agencies about Russia. This did not increase his threat to Russia, as he told everything he knows a decade ago. But it could provide an element of annoyance that would indeed increase Russian official desire to punish him further.

But the fact he was still very much active has a far greater significance. The government slapped a D(SMA) noticeon the identity of Pablo Miller, Skripal’s former MI6 handler who lives close by in Salisbury and who worked for Christopher Steele’s Orbis Intelligence at the time that Orbis produced the extremely unreliable dossier on Trump/Russia. The fact that Skripal had not retired but was still briefing on Russia, to me raises to a near certainty the likelihood that Skripal worked with Miller on the Trump dossier.

I have to say that, as a former Ambassador in the former Soviet Union trained in intelligence analysis and familiar with MI6 intelligence out of Moscow (My emphases - TQ), I agree with every word of this professional dissection (https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2017/01/13/the-trump-dossier-is-false-news-and-heres-why/#7e2af5896867) of the Orbis Trump dossier by Paul Roderick Gregory (I am posting the full article in the next post on this thread - TQ), irrespective of Gregory’s politics. In particular this paragraph, which Gregory wrote more than a year before the Salisbury attack, certainly applies to much of the dossier.

" I have picked out just a few excerpts from the Orbis report. It was written, in my opinion, not by an ex British intelligence officer but by a Russian trained in the KGB tradition. It is full of names, dates, meetings, quarrels, and events that are hearsay (one an overheard conversation). It is a collection of “this important person” said this to “another important person.” There is no record; no informant is identified by name or by more than a generic title. The report appears to fail the veracity test in the one instance of a purported meeting in which names, dates, and location are provided. Some of the stories are so bizarre (the Rosneft bribe) that they fail the laugh test. Yet, there appears to be a desire on the part of some media and Trump opponents on both sides of the aisle to picture the Orbis report as genuine but unverifiable."

The Russian ex-intelligence officer who we know was in extremely close contact with Orbis at the time the report was written, was Sergei Skripal.

The Orbis report is mince.

Skripal knew it was mince and how it was written.

Skripal has a history of selling secrets to the highest bidder. The Trump camp has a lot of money. My opinion is that as the Mueller investigation stutters towards ignominious failure, Skripal became a loose end that Orbis/MI6/CIA/Clinton (take your pick) wanted tied off. That seems to me at least as likely as a Russian state assassination.

To say Russia is the only possible suspect is nonsense.

The Incompetence Factor

The contradiction between the claim that the nerve agent was so pure it could only be manufactured by a state agent, and yet that it failed because it was administered in an amateur and incompetent fashion, does not bother the mainstream media. Boris Johnson claimed that the UK had evidence that Russia had a ten year programme of stockpiling secret novichok and he had a copy of a Russian assassination manual specifying administration by doorknob.

Yet we are asked to believe that the Russians failed to notice that administration by doorknob does not actually work, especially in the rain. How two people both touched the doorknob in closing the door is also unexplained, as is how one policeman became poisoned by the doorknob but numerous others did not.

The explanations by establishment stooges of how this “ten times more powerful than VX” nerve agent only works very slowly, but then very quickly, if it touches the skin, and still does not actually kill you, have struck me as simply desperate. They make May’s ringing claims of a weapon of mass destruction being used on British soil appear somewhat unjustified. Weapon of Upset Tummy does not sound quite so exciting.

To paint a doorknob with something that if it touches you can kill you requires great care and much protective gear. That no strangely dressed individual has been identified by the investigation – which seems to be getting nowhere in identifying the culprit – is the key fact here. None of us know who did this. The finger-pointing at Russia by corporate and state interests seeking to stoke the Cold War is disgusting
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Tintin

24th May 2018, 15:54

And Paul Roderick Gregory's article, here, published in Forbes.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2017/01/13/the-trump-dossier-is-false-news-and-heres-why/#7e2af5896867

"The Orbis report claims, that as the election neared (July 2016), Igor Sechin, Putin’s right-hand man and CEO of Rosneft (Russia’s national oil company) offered Trump a deal that defies belief."

"This story is utter nonsense, not worthy of a wacky conspiracy theory of an alien invasion."

The Trump Dossier Is Fake -- And Here Are The Reasons Why

A former British intelligence officer, who is now a director of a London private security-and-investigations firm, has been identified as the author of the dossier of unverified allegations about President-elect Donald Trump’s activities and connections in Russia, according to the Wall Street Journal.

A Christopher Steele, a director of London-based private intelligence company, Orbis, purportedly prepared the dossier under contract to both Republican and Democratic adversaries of then-candidate Trump. The poor grammar and shaky spelling plus the author’s use of KGB-style intelligence reporting, however, do not fit the image of a high-end London security company run by highly connected former British intelligence figures.

The PDF file of the 30-page typewritten reportalleges that high Kremlin officials colluded with Trump, offered him multi-billion dollar bribes, and accumulated compromising evidence of Trump’s sexual escapades in Russia. That the dossier comes from former British intelligence officers appears, at first glance, to give it weight especially with Orbis’ claim of a “global network.” The U.S. intelligence community purportedly has examined the allegations but have not confirmed any of them. We can wait till hell freezes over.

The material is not verifiable.

President-elect Trump has dismissed the dossier’s contents as false as has the Kremlin.

Trump is right: The Orbis dossier is fake news.

I have studied Russia and the Soviet Union professionally since the mid-1960s. I have visited Russia as a scholar, as the head of a multi-year petroleum legislation project, and as a business consultant close to one hundred times. My first visit was in 1965 shortly after Nikita Khrushchev’s removal. I have a wide circle of friends and acquaintances in Russia, and I follow the Russian press regularly. I personally witnessed the creation in the early 90s of Russia’s giant energy concerns in the offices of the oil minister.

I met with St. Petersburg officials in the early 90s but do not remember meeting then deputy mayor, Vladimir Putin. I have written and co-authored reports for the State Department, Congress, and the intelligence community; so I sort of know how these things work.

With the brief exception of the early to late 1990s, Russia has had a non-transparent system of rule that deliberately reveals little about itself. Both insiders and outsiders must look for subtle signs and signals. Russians and Russian experts are gossip junkies. They recite their tales of who is up and who is down to those foolish enough to listen. Outside researchers must grasp for flimsy straws to write their scholarly articles and books. Despite the greater openness of contemporary Russia, we are back to Kremlinology to learn how Putin’s kleptocracy works.

The Orbis report makes as if it knows all the ins-and-outs and comings-and-goings within Putin’s impenetrable Kremlin. It reports information from anonymous “trusted compatriots,” “knowledgeable sources,” “former intelligence officers,” and “ministry of foreign affairs officials.”

The report gives a fly-on-the-wall account of just about every conceivable event associated with Donald Trump’s Russian connections. It claims to know more than is knowable as it recounts sordid tales of prostitutes, “golden showers,” bribes, squabbles in Putin’s inner circle, and who controls the dossiers of kompromat (compromising information).

There are two possible explanations for the fly-on-the-wall claims of the Orbis report: Either its author (who is not Mr. Steele) decided to write fiction, or collected enough gossip to fill a 30-page report, or a combination of the two. The author of the Orbis report has one more advantage: He knew that what he was writing was unverifiable. He advertises himself as the only Kremlin outsider with enough “reliable” contacts to explain what is really going within Putin’s office.

As someone who has worked for more than a decade with the microfilm collection of Soviet documents in the Hoover Institution Archives, I can say that the dossier itself was compiled by a Russian, whose command of English is far from perfect and who follows the KGB (now FSB) practice of writing intelligence reports, in particular the practice of capitalizing all names for easy reference. The report includes Putin’s inner circle – Peskov, Ivanov, Sechin, Lavrov. The anonymous author claims to have “trusted compatriots” who knew the roles that each Kremlin insider, including Putin himself, played in the Trump election saga and were prepared to tell him.

The Orbis report spins the tale of Putin insiders, spurred on by Putin himself, engaging in a five-year courtship of Donald Trump in which they offer him lucrative real estate deals that he rejects but leaves himself open to blackmail as a result of sexual escapades with prostitutes in St. Petersburg and Moscow (the famous “golden shower” incident). Despite his reluctance to enter into lucrative business deals, Trump “and his inner circle have accepted regular intelligence from the Kremlin, including on his Democratic and other political rivals,” according to the Orbis report.

This story makes no sense. In 2011, when the courtship purportedly begins, Trump was a TV personality and beauty pageant impresario. Neither in the U.S. or Russia would anyone of authority anticipate that Trump would one day become the presidential candidate of a major U.S. political party, making him the target of Russian intelligence.

The Orbis report claims, that as the election neared (July 2016), Igor Sechin, Putin’s right-hand man and CEO of Rosneft (Russia’s national oil company) offered Trump a deal that defies belief. I quote:

“Speaking to a trusted compatriot in mid-October 2015, a close associate of Rosneft President and PUTIN ally Igor SECHIN elaborated on the reported secret meeting between the latter and Carter PAGE, of US Republican presidential candidate's foreign policy team, in Moscow in July 2016.

The secret had been confirmed to him/her by a senior member of staff, in addition to the Rosneft President himself…Sechin’s associate said that the Rosneft President was so keen to lift personal and corporate Western sanctions imposed on the company, that he offered PAGE associates the brokerage of up to a 19 per cent (privatized) stake in Rosneft in return PAGE had expressed interest and confirmed that were TRUMP elected US president, then sanctions on Russia would be lifted.”

This story is utter nonsense, not worthy of a wacky conspiracy theory of an alien invasion.

To offer Trump either the entirety of, or a brokerage commission on, the market value of 19.5% of Rosneft shares—even a 6 percent commission on $12 billion worth of Rosneft shares would amount to an astonishing $720 million—would deplete the cash that Putin desperately needed for military spending and budget deficits, all in return for a promise to lift sanctions if—and what a big “if”—Trump were elected.

Rosneft, as a public company, would have to conceal that the U.S. president was a party to this major transaction. This remarkable secret-of-secrets seems to be bandied about to an Orbis “trusted compatriot," a senior member of Sechin’s staff, and disclosed by Sechin himself. I guess there are a lot of loose lips in Rosneft offices.

The story of the purported bribe was picked up by the Russian liberal press directly from the Orbis report without comment but with a big question marks in the title “A 10.5 billion Euro bribe? Putin and Sechin gifted Trump 19.5% of Rosneft shares? This story has given Putin’s weak opposition the chance to accuse him of wasting national treasure on a stupid bribe.

The huge bribe for (perhaps) lifting the sanctions makes Nikita Khrushchev’s hare-brained schemes—for which he was fired—look eminently reasonable.

One of the few verifiable facts in the Orbis report is the key role played by Trump’s “personal lawyer” Michael Cohen. Cohen purportedly took over the negotiation of the Sechin deal, and, when the Kremlin got cold feet over its hacking campaign, it turned to Cohen to cover up the operation, meet with the Kremlin’s Presidential Administration, and make illicit payments to shut up and move the hackers to Bulgaria. A key meeting was held in Prague in August of 2016 with Cohen accompanied by three colleagues. The meetings took place in the offices of a Russian quasi-state organization, Rossotrudnichestvo.

Cohen has denied any such meetings with the Kremlin Presidential administration and claims never to have visited Prague.

According to the Orbis report, Cohen engaged in potential criminal activities, such as illicit payoffs to hackers and the buying of their silence. I doubt that he will let such accusations pass.

Another noteworthy claim of the Orbis report is that Vladimir Putin personally directed Russia’s intervention in the 2016 campaign: “The TRUMP operation was both supported and directed by Russian President Vladimir Putin. Its aim was to sow discord both within the U.S. itself, but more especially within the Transatlantic alliance.”

The Orbis report claims that Putin personally controlled the dossier compiled on Hillary Clinton and held by his spokesperson, Peskov. He ordered that any disposition of the Clinton file would be decided by him personally.

I have picked out just a few excerpts from the Orbis report. It was written, in my opinion, not by an ex British intelligence officer but by a Russian trained in the KGB tradition. It is full of names, dates, meetings, quarrels, and events that are hearsay (one an overheard conversation). It is a collection of “this important person” said this to “another important person.” There is no record; no informant is identified by name or by more than a generic title. The report appears to fail the veracity test in the one instance of a purported meeting in which names, dates, and location are provided. Some of the stories are so bizarre (the Rosneft bribe) that they fail the laugh test. Yet, there appears to be a desire on the part of some media and Trump opponents on both sides of the aisle to picture the Orbis report as genuine but unverifiable.

After reading the Orbis report I got the queasy feeling that it may have influenced the intelligence community’s unclassified report. Leaks of classified bits by NBCNews and the Washington Post suggest the findings were, in part, based on British intelligence and spies. I wonder if the reference is to Putin’s role, which the intelligence report characterized as direct. This is a matter the new administration must look into.

We have reached a sad state of affairs where an anonymous report, full of bizarre statements, captures the attention of the world media because it casts a shadow over the legitimacy of a President-elect, who has not even taken the oath of office. For example, the Trump dossier is tonight’s lead item on German state television and on BBC. False news has become America’s international export to the world media.

UPDATE: This article has been updated to reflect the dual possibility that Trump was offered the brokerage commission of, or the entire value of, 19.5 percent of Rosneft shares.

Cidersomerset

29th May 2018, 08:47

Clips from hospital staff in news report below...........

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Russian spy poisoning: How the Skripals were saved

Mark Urban..Diplomatic and defence editor, Newsnight
@MarkUrban01on Twitter

29/5/18

short vid on link...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44278609
"We expected them not to survive": The hospital staff who saved the Skripals

Hospital staff who saved the lives of poisoned Russians Sergei and Yulia Skripal
have revealed they did not expect the victims of the nerve agent attack to survive.

The Skripals had been found slumped on a bench on 4 March - but staff treating
them at Salisbury District Hospital did not initially know the reason why.

Nursing director Lorna Wilkinson said a key moment came when policeman Nick
Bailey was admitted with similar symptoms. "There was a real concern as to how
big this could get," she said.

She told BBC Two's Newsnight: "Have we just gone from having two index patients
having something that actually could become all-consuming and involve many
casualties? Because we really didn't know at that point."

read...more....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44278609

Cidersomerset

30th May 2018, 14:09

Skripal poisoning: Medics reveal fears - BBC Newsnight

Full BBC News night film report....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwhR6wqNEis
Published on 30 May 2018...BBC...( 18 mins)...

Hospital staff who saved the lives of poisoned Russians Sergei and Yulia Skripal
have revealed they did not expect the victims of the nerve agent attack to survive.
The Skripals had been found slumped on a bench on 4 March - but staff treating
them at Salisbury District Hospital did not initially know the reason why.
This is their story.

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Medics initially treated Skripals for opioid overdose until Porton Down gave 'advice'

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFQhtNHptFg
Published on 30 May 2018...RT...( 4 mins )...
The medical team at Salisbury Hospital were treating the Skripals for opioid
overdose without any extra precautions, until UK chemical weapon experts
'confirmed' nerve agent poisoning and 'advised' them on treatment, BBC reports.

Cidersomerset

30th May 2018, 15:35

Former chemical weapons expert: "Even UK allies are starting to ask what's true"

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Published on 30 May 2018
"Even UK allies are starting to ask what's true" says former United
Nations inspector Anton Unkin as Skripals' doctors are surprised by
fast and 'hard to explain' recovery.

Hervé

30th May 2018, 16:06

UK medics admit they treated Skripals for opioid overdose until Porton Down showed them the error of their ways (https://www.rt.com/uk/428178-medics-treated-skripals-opioids/)

RT (https://www.rt.com/uk/428178-medics-treated-skripals-opioids/)
Wed, 30 May 2018 15:11 UTC

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The medical team at Sainsbury Hospital were treating the Skripals for opioid overdose without any extra precautions, until UK chemical weapon experts "confirmed" nerve agent poisoning and "advised" them on treatment, BBC reports.

Staff at Salisbury District Hospital say that former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter, Yulia, who were found unconscious on a bench in Salisbury on March 4, were initially treated for opioid overdose, a new documentary reveals.

"The evening that Yulia and Sergei were admitted, at that point we were led to believe that they have taken an overdose, so there was no mention of nerve agent poisoning," Sarah Clark, ward sister in charge of the shift on March 4, told (https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0b52781/newsnight-29052018) BBC2's Newsnight in an interview broadcast on Tuesday. "They were needing their support with their breathing and support with their cardiovascular system."

Some initial reports (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/salisbury-hospital-closes-a-e-after-people-fall-ill-from-dangerous-substance-wzrnqs3tp) on the Skripals indicated that emergency services suspected the powerful drug fentanyl may have been involved. The highly addictive synthetic opiate has been linked to a sharp increase in overdoses in the US and has also resulted in dozens of deaths across the UK.

The medical staff was apparently so sure of the drug overdose diagnosis that they did not even consider taking special precaution to protect themselves against potential exposure to the deadly military grade chemical agent, which they were soon convinced caused the ailment of the Skripals.

"At first, when they first came in, there was no indication of the fact that it was a nerve agent. And therefore, we take our normal protection when any patient comes in but would have not at that point taken any extra precaution in terms of protecting ourselves," Clark said.

Things at the hospital began to slowly change when police told the medical staff on Monday morning that they were dealing with victims of a potential "targeted attack." Dr. Duncan Murray, the hospital's senior intensive care consultant, recalled how he discovered the identity of the Skripals at "six o'clock on a Monday morning," while Cara Charles Barks, chief executive at the hospital, said that only by 10am was the case declared an "external incident."

While the Skripals were first admitted to the hospital on Sunday evening, it was not until Tuesday that doctors realized they were seeing "symptoms typical of organophosphate" or nerve agent poisoning, the BBC investigation claims. This suspicion arose after Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey, one of the officers who had attended the scene but whose fate was not part of the BBC report, was admitted with "similar" symptoms.

While some of the symptoms exhibited by the Skripals were consistent with World Health Organization guidelines (http://www.who.int/substance_abuse/information-sheet/en/) for opioid poisoning, it was not until a helping hand was extended by experts from the Defence Science and Technology Laboratory (DSTL) at Porton Down that the Salisbury medical team finally started treating the Skripals for nerve agent poisoning.

"Whilst a district general hospital laboratory cannot test specifically for a nerve agent, we are able to request tests for the effect of the nerve agent so we can measure anticholinesterase levels and see whether they have been affected. And it was our colleagues in Porton Down that helped us with the testing," Medical Director Dr. Christine Blanshard said.

From that point on, doctors at Salisbury Hospital began to administer medical treatment, the details of which are kept secret due to medical "confidentiality" concerns. The hospital continued to receive advice from international experts, including the Porton Down chemical weapons research laboratory.

"Clinical decisions were ours, but we would be foolish not to take their advice, which we did. And I think that helped," intensive care consultant Dr. Jukes noted. "When we began seeing some improvements, it happened a lot quicker than anticipated. Certainly, when you look at these groups of nerve agents, the expectations from the textbooks, the journals suggested a much longer period of recovery."

Dr. Jukes, who did not initially believe the two would survive, said he was "exceptionally surprised" with the speed of their recovery. In fact, it happened so fast that he cannot easily explain it.

Dr. Murray of Salisbury District Hospital said their recovery is "attributable to the very good, generic, basic, critical care, excellent team care," and not some magic pill, in addition to "some input from really, really well informed international experts, which very fortunate, some of who have happened to be on our doorstep at Porton Down."

SOTT Comment: (https://www.sott.net/article/386895-UK-medics-admit-they-treated-Skripals-for-opioid-overdose-until-Porton-Down-showed-them-the-error-of-their-ways)
A full two days after exposure to a weapons-grade nerve agent with no proper treatment, no symptoms of nerve agent exposure, no local tests to determine if a nerve agent was involved (only Porton Down's say-so), and a miraculous recovery. It's almost sounds as if the Salisbury doctors are getting their side of the story out so that no one can accuse them of anything shady. Instead, they place the potential blame for that on Porton Down.

Hervé

30th May 2018, 16:19

When one realizes that the Skripals should have died within the first hour after exposure to a military-grade nerve agent but were still alive after two full days of treatment for opioid overdose... one has also to realize the length to which the British MSM went to concoct a false, propaganda story to suit their masters' puppeteers' purpose... especially the BBC!

Cidersomerset

30th May 2018, 16:43

Nurse who treated the Skripals says no extra protective measures were taken

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Published on 30 May 2018
"They're all just struggling for possible options on what's gone on" says former
police officer Peter Kirkham as nurse who treated the Skripals says that no
extra protective measures were taken initially.

Cidersomerset

25th June 2018, 15:47

Yakovenko: We're still demanding access to the investigation

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Published on 25 Jun 2018
"We're demanding access to the investigation, we want to know the truth"
says Alexander Yakovenko (diplomat) after Prince Charles and Camilla visit
Salisbury and meet the police officer who was caught up in the Skripal poisoning.

Cidersomerset

29th June 2018, 17:42

Wide ranging interview....Including a brief history of how the US created Al Qaeda
and the odd UK reaction to the Skripal poisoning and it could well be a set up
and more and even amusing as he explains the wests 'highly likely' claims Russia
is responsible everything from MH 70 to Donald Trump being urinated on by
prostitutes in Moscow, and more...

Exclusive: Sergey Lavrov, Russia's Foreign Minister, on Skripals, Trump 'kompromat'
claims and OPCW

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Published on 29 Jun 2018
Exclusive Channel 4 News interview with the Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.
He accuses Britain of 'extermination of the evidence' in the Skripal poisoning and of
'all kinds of tricks' to change the rules of the OPCW.

Tintin

4th July 2018, 15:49

For the purpose of providing a little more information on the content of the DSMA notices released on March 7th and March 14th (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102079-Sergei-Skripal-who-was-behind-the-Salisbury-poisoning&p=1222316&viewfull=1#post1222316) from the MOD (Ministry of Defence) in Whitehall please do see here (http://powerbase.info/index.php/DSMA_notice_7_March_2018) and here (http://powerbase.info/index.php/DSMA_notice_14_March_2018) for the full text circulated to the press.

I'm copying them below as well for ease of reference and they do make very interesting reading.

Information obtained from the following source/s:

http://powerbase.info/index.php/DSMA_notice_7_March_2018
http://powerbase.info/index.php/DSMA_notice_14_March_2018

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DSMA notice 7 March 2018

This is the text of a 'DSMA notice' (formerly known as 'D notices') issued to the British media on 7 March 2018 and obtained by Spinwatch from a reliable source. Redactions indicated by 'XXX' have been applied to possible personal data. For more information see: Defence and Security Media Advisory (DSMA) Notice System (http://powerbase.info/index.php/Defence_and_Security_Media_Advisory_(DSMA)_Notice_System) [Note: of particular interest to some readers here may be the history of D-notices - Tintin]

From: DSMA Secretary <secretary@dsma.uk>

Date: 7 March 2018

Subject: URGENT FOR ALL EDITORS - DEFENCE AND SECURITY MEDIA ADVISORY (DSMA) NOTICE

Private and Confidential: Not for Publication, Broadcast or for use on Social Media TO ALL EDITORS The issue surrounding the identify of a former MI6 informer, Sergei Skripal, is already widely available in the public domain. However, the identifies of intelligence agency personnel associated with Sergei Skripal are not yet widely available in the public domain. The provisions of DSMA Notice 05 therefore apply to these identities. DSMA Notice 05 inter alia advises editors against the:

'inadvertent disclosure of Sensitive Personnel Information (SPI) that reveals the identity, location or contact details of personnel (and their family members) who have security, intelligence and/or counter-terrorist backgrounds, including members of the UK Security and Intelligence Agencies, MOD and Specials Forces.' The full text of DSMA notice 05 can be found on the DSMA website.

If any editor is currently considering publication of such material, may I ask you to seek my advice before doing so?

Please do call or email me if you have any questions or need further clarification.

I would be grateful were the Press Association and Society of Editors to promulgate this notice through their own networks.

Thank you,

Yours sincerely,

John Alexander

Group Captain John Alexander | Second Deputy Secretary | Defence and Security Media Advisory Committee | Level 4 Spine 4, Room 113, Ministry of Defence Main Building, Whitehall, London SW1A 2HB | Office 020 7218 2206 | mobile 07xx xxx xxxx | secretary@dsma.uk | www.dsma.uk

DSMA notice 14 March 2018

From: DSMA Secretary <secretary@dsma.uk>

Date: 14 March 2018

Subject: DEFENCE AND SECURITY MEDIA ADVISORY COMMITTEE

Private and Confidential: Not for Publication, Broadcast or for use on Social Media TO ALL EDITORS One of the reactions from the Russian authorities in response to the measures that the UK authorities have recently announced, may include the publication or broadcast of Sensitive Personal Information (SPI).

Any publication or broadcast of SPI could identify personnel (and their family members) who work in sensitive positions. These identities are covered by the purpose of DSMA notice 05. I would like to take this opportunity to remind editors of the purpose of DSMA notice 05 which inter alia advise editors against the:

'inadvertent disclosure of Sensitive Personnel Information (SPI) that reveals the identity, location or contact details of personnel (and their family members) who have security, intelligence and/or counter-terrorist backgrounds, including members of the UK Security and Intelligence Agencies, MOD and Specials Forces.' The full text of DSMA notice 05 can be found on the DSMA website.

If any editor wishes to consider publication of any such material in the near future, may I ask you to seek my advice before doing so?

Please do call or email me if you have any questions or need further clarification.

I would be grateful were the Press Association and Society of Editors to promulgate this notice through their own networks.

Thank you,

Yours sincerely,

Geoffrey Dodds

Brigadier Geoffrey Dodds | Secretary | Defence and Security Media Advisory Committee | Level 4 Spine 4, Room 113, Ministry of Defence Main Building, Whitehall, London SW1A 2HB | Office 020 7218 2206 | mobile 07xx xxx xxxx | secretary@dsma.uk | www.dsma.uk

Hervé

4th July 2018, 16:14

Skripal Lie Redux: Two More People "Poisoned" Near Porton Down (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/07/wheel-out-the-skripal-story-again/)

Craig Murray craigmurray.org.uk (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/07/wheel-out-the-skripal-story-again/)
Wed, 04 Jul 2018 10:34 UTC

Just as the World Cup had forced the British media to grudgingly acknowledge the obvious truth that Russia is an extremely interesting country inhabited, like everywhere else, by mostly pleasant and attractive people, we have a screaming reprise of the "Salisbury incident" dominating the British media. Two people have been taken ill in Amesbury from an unknown substance, which might yet be a contaminated recreational drug, but could conceivably be from contact with the substance allegedly used on the Skripals, presumably some of which was somewhere indoors all this time as we were told it could be washed away and neutralised by water.

Amesbury is not Salisbury - it is 10 miles away. Interestingly enough Porton Down is between Amesbury and Salisbury. Just three miles away from Muggleton Road, Amesbury. The news reports are not mentioning that much.

https://www.sott.net/image/s23/476393/large/Amesbury_Porton_Down.jpg (https://www.sott.net/image/s23/476393/full/Amesbury_Porton_Down.jpg)

"I am all out of ideas Inspector. What can possibly be the source of these mysterious poisonings?"

Neither Porton Down nor the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons has any idea where the substance to which the Skripals were allegedly exposed was made. Boris Johnson's great "coup" of obtaining a majority vote at the OPCW to expand its powers to place blame for chemical attacks, has proven rather otiose as the OPCW has no evidence on which to base any blame for Salisbury. In fact, four months on, May and Johnson's shrill blaming of Russia remains entirely, 100% evidence free.

I do however wish to congratulate the neo-con warmongers of the Guardian newspaper for verbal dexterity. They have come up with a new formulation to replace the hackneyed (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/of-a-type-developed-by-liars/) "Of a type developed by Russia", to point the finger for a substance that could have been made by dozens of state or non state parties. The Guardian today came up with (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/04/wiltshire-unknown-substance-leaves-pair-critically-ill-in-salisbury-hospital) "Russian-created novichok". This cleverly employs a word that can encompass "developed" while also appearing to say "made". It also again makes out that novichok is a specific substance rather than a very broad class of substances. The Guardian's Steven Morris, by this brilliant attempt deliberately to mislead his readers, runs away with this week's award for lying neo-con media whore of the week. His achievement is particularly good as the rest of his report is largely a simple copy and paste from the Press Association.

I most certainly hope that the couple in Salisbury hospital recover from whatever is afflicting them. The media is, by making this the lead story on all broadcast news after last night's football, inviting us to make the connection to the Skripals. In which case I assume the couple were perfectly well for five hours after contact, able to be very active and even to eat and drink heavily, before being mysteriously instantly disabled at the same time despite different ages, sexes, weights, and metabolisms and random uncontrolled dosages.

Replicating that would be quite a feat.

Tintin

4th July 2018, 16:23

And this story (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/04/wiltshire-unknown-substance-leaves-pair-critically-ill-in-salisbury-hospital) that has broken today in the British press, at least in the way it has been presented immediately makes one a little suspicious somewhat as it draws startling parallels with the Skripal story. And in the same part of England (Wiltshire) and involving the same hospital.

Quite how, again, two individuals could be admitted to a NHS District General Hospital and not quarantined in a secure military environment does raise a few eyebrows if 'nerve agents' were involved. I have grave doubts as to the actual reality of that - contributors to this thread have already provided compelling testimony that would contradict that narrative as it applied to Sergei and Yulia.

Great discernment would be advised here and reading between the lines extraordinarily critical.

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Guardian | Steven Morris in Amesbury and Caroline Bannock in Salisbury

Wed 4 Jul 2018 16.42 BST First published on Wed 4 Jul 2018 02.18 BST

Police fear Wiltshire couple have been exposed to nerve agent

Dawn Sturgess and Charlie Rowley in critical condition as Porton Down runs tests

Counter-terrorism police have joined the investigation into what happened to two people in Wiltshire who are in a critical condition, amid fears that they may have been exposed to a nerve agent.

Dawn Sturgess and Charlie Rowley, who were at a property in Amesbury, were initially believed to have overdosed on drugs, but their symptoms raised alarm among medics and Wiltshire police, which led them to suspect a possible nerve agent.

The couple, both in their 40s, were in a critical condition at Salisbury district hospital, Wiltshire police said on Wednesday.

Tests were being carried out on a substance at the nearby Porton Down government defence laboratory. Whitehall sources said that it was too early to tell whether the incident was related to illegal drugs or “something more sinister”.

The couple are understood to be British citizens who are unlikely to have been the victims of a targeted attack.

“This is an incident which understandably is being treated with the utmost seriousness,” Theresa May’s spokesman said. Government security officials held a meeting of the Cobra committee in the Cabinet Office on Wednesday morning to discuss events in Amesbury and another meeting will take place later.

Sam Hobson, 29, a friend of the couple, said he believed they had been struck down by a nerve agent.

He described how on Saturday morning Sturgess fell ill and was taken to hospital and how later that morning Rowley also became sick. He said both were in hospital in isolation and he was receiving regular calls from the authorities to check he was well. “They thought it was drugs at first. They now think it’s a nerve agent,” he claimed.

Hobson, a mechanic, said he was in Salisbury with the couple on Friday evening in locations close to some of the places associated with the Skripal case.

A number of sites believed to be areas the couple frequented before they fell ill were cordoned off overnight. There was no cordon at the ambulance station in Amesbury.

A branch of Boots in Amesbury was also closed and being guarded by police.

Meanwhile, there was an increased police presence in and around Amesbury and Salisbury. Salisbury district hospital was operating normally and officials advised people to attend routine appointments unless told otherwise.

Hobson said he and the couple spent time in “Lizzy Gardens” – Queen Elizabeth Gardens – close to the river on Friday. “We were having a drink and chilling in the sun,” he said.

They visited a number of shops, including a chemist’s to buy red, white and blue dye for their hair to show their support for the England football team, a mobile phone shop, and a store to buy alcohol. They bought food and visited a charity shop to buy a blanket to sit on.

Hobson visited Rowley’s home in Muggleston Road on Saturday morning. Sturgess, who lives in Salisbury, had spent the night there. “I saw lots of ambulances there and [Sturgess] got taken out on a stretcher. She needed to be helped with her breathing,” Hobson said. Rowley came out in tears. “They said she needed to have a brain scan.”

After she was taken to hospital Hobson and Rowley went to Boots in Amesbury. Later they went to a hog roast at the local baptist church. Both the chemist’s and the church have been sealed off.

Police have also cordoned off Raleigh Garden Green, where the hog roast took place on Saturday afternoon.

Hobson said: “We went back to his place after the hog roast. We were going up to the hospital. Then he started sweating. His T-shirt was soaking wet. He got up and started rocking against the wall. His eyes were wide open and red, his pupils were like pinpricks. He began garbling incoherently and I could tell he was hallucinating. He was making weird noises and acting like a zombie. I phoned an ambulance. At first they thought it was drugs but … they know now it isn’t drugs.”

He said the couple had been together for a few months and neither worked. Hobson said they both also had one child by other partners.

The incident comes four months after the former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter, Yulia, were poisoned by a suspected military nerve agent in Salisbury, about eight miles from Amesbury.

A spokesperson for Scotland Yard’s counter-terrorism command said: “As Wiltshire police have stated, they are keeping an open mind as to the circumstances surrounding the incident and will update the public as soon and as regularly as possible.”

The counter-terrorism officers who have joined the investigation will have more expertise in issues to do with nerve agents and other military-grade weapons, as well as having the necessary security clearances to work with intelligence agencies.

Public Health England (PHE) said it did not believe there to be a significant health risk to the wider public, although its advice was being continually assessed.

Police said the man and woman were found unconscious at an address in Muggleton Road on Saturday evening, and it was initially believed they had taken illegal drugs, but further tests were being carried out. The address is thought to be on a new housing development on the southern edge of the town, which is close to Stonehenge.

Cidersomerset

4th July 2018, 18:43

This is very suspicious with President Trump coming to the UK then going to meet Putin. It has
all the hall marks of a inside job or a very , very odd coincidence which is unlikely. Its a
globalist message so that Trump will leave the UK with Mrs May reminding him NATO comes
first etc.....

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Amesbury: Two collapse near Russian spy poisoning site

4/7/18

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The pair, believed to be Dawn Sturgess and Charlie Rowley, were found unconscious on Saturday

A man and woman are in a critical condition after being exposed to an unknown substance, which
counter terrorism officers are investigating.The pair, believed to be Charlie Rowley, 45, and Dawn
Sturgess, 44, were found unconscious at a house in Amesbury, Wiltshire, on Saturday.

It is understood tests are being carried out on the substance at a government chemical weapons
laboratory. Amesbury is about eight miles from the Salisbury Russian spy poisoning site.

Former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia were poisoned with Novichok, a suspected
military nerve agent, in March

Read more....
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-44707052

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British police investigate collapse of 2 near site of former Russian spy poisoning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nsFjsYx0Xw
Published on 4 Jul 2018...CBS...( 3 mins )....
A man and woman, both in their forties, are in critical condition after collapsing just
miles from the site of where a former Russian spy and his daughter were poisoned
in March. Counter terrorism officials and police are investigating the latest incident.
BBC reporter Duncan Kennedy has more.
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Major incident’: 2 checked for ‘unknown substance’ exposure near Salisbury – police
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxp8oxtJmlw
Published on 4 Jul 2018...RT...( 4 mins )....
A British counter-terrorism unit has joined the probe after a man and woman were
apparently exposed to an 'unknown substance' near Salisbury, according to police.

The Moss Trooper

4th July 2018, 19:20

First reports this morning mentioned that the police thought it was a contaminated batch of heroin. Both of the victims, Charlie Rowley & Dawn Sturgess, are known to be recreational drug users, including class A drug, heroin. Although I wouldn't call that 'recreational'.

Then there is this statement from Sam Hobson, a friend of Charlie Rowley, who called the ambulance:
Sam Hobson, 29, said: 'Charlie was dribbling and was rocking backwards and forwards. He was in another world, he was hallucinating. 'He wasn't high or anything. He was stone cold sober. It was like nothing I'd ever seen. I called the ambulance and they took him away.'

From the Daily Mail. I know, but some interesting details, and blatant forming of a narrative, within the report.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5915855/Major-incident-declared-amid-fears-two-people-exposed-unknown-substance.html

They were exposed just 300 yards from where the Skripals ate on the day they were poisoned with novichok, and it was feared this could be leftover toxin from then.

Leftover toxin? How does the reporter know that they were 'exposed' just 300 yards from where the Skripals ate?

One of the common denominators between the Skripal case and this, has to be Porton Down surely.

Curiouser and curiouser.

And even more curiouser, is this story from the same edition of the Daily Mail.

Nerve agent victim Yulia Skripal intends to 'soon' return to Russia despite Britain blaming Putin for her poisoning, according to Moscow newspaper

And especially this:

The report further claimed Yulia met a close Russian friend called Gulnara in London.

Gulnara was interviewed and exonerated by Scotland Yard after she brought a package of buckwheat from Russia to London around the time the Skripals were poisoned.

She has been 'in constant touch' with Stepan Vikeev, 30, Yulia's mysterious boyfriend who has vanished since the poisoning, MK claimed.

Vikeev was reported to have had connections to the FSB security service.

It is unclear from MK if Yulia has been in direct contact with Vikeev since the poisoning.

The newspaper claimed he initially had a 'mental breakdown' after she was poisoning,(sic) and he then disappeared.

It stated his 'desire to go below the parapet can mean only one thing, that Stepan holds some information.

'And it is quite possible that Russian special services had used him as a way of monitoring the English life of Sergey Skripal (considered a traitor in his homeland), because quite likely Yulia was sharing certain details about it with Stepan.

'There is also another version, that Stepan is so scared for his reputation that he wants to be as far away as possible from the scandalous family.'

Vikeev's mother Tatiana - also reportedly with links to the FSB - took her son to Sochi to recuperate for three weeks, and later he stayed out of sight with a business trip to the Arctic, it was claimed.

Business trip to the Arctic? Hmmmmm, ok then.

It's almost beyond words. If you feel like having your intelligence insulted, and can bare it, read on:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5918813/Nerve-agent-victim-Yulia-Skripal-intends-soon-return-Russia.html

Cidersomerset

5th July 2018, 06:22

Timing is everything and CNN spells out the globalist fears with the upcoming
Trump , Putin meeting , fear , fear , fear.....

This makes no sense for the Putin government to get involved in especially with the
so far very successful soccer World cup in full swing and ironically the English team
still involved. This could be anti Putin factions or a inside job involving the deepstate
intel agents. Rogue elements have been attacking Trump and his peace through
strength agenda since he was elected...

This is all over the western news cycle in the UK ,US and elsewhere and designed
to undermine the Trump , Putin meeting of changing the status quo of confrontation imo....

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Its UK official policy to boycott the World cup , luckily the team and some supporters ignored this ......

Calls for BoJo to reverse stance on World Cup mount
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHD5nnqNb5c
Published on 5 Jul 2018...RT...( 2 mins )...
Following England’s victory against Colombia, calls for BoJo to reverse his stance on
the World Cup are beginning to mount.

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Wiltshire pair poisoned by Novichok nerve agent

5/7/18

short vid on link..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRso4soA5QM

Assistant Commissioner of Specialist Operations Neil Basu speaking on Wednesday night

A man and woman found unconscious in Wiltshire were poisoned
by Novichok - the same nerve agent that poisoned ex-Russian
spy Sergei Skripal, police say.

read more.....https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44719639

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UK police confirm nerve agent used in poisoning

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Published on 4 Jul 2018...CNN...( 6 mins )...
British counter-terrorism officers confirmed that two people found unconscious in
southern England were exposed to the nerve agent Novichock, which authorities
believe Russia used in a poison attack in March.

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Two Poisoned By Same Nerve Agent Used Against Former Russian Spy | NBC Nightly News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNlE52krMsk
Published on 4 Jul 2018
British nationals Dawn Sturgess and Charlie Rowley were victims of the same nerve
agent used in the attempted assassination of former Russian double agent Sergei
Skripal and his daughter, investigators say.

Cidersomerset

5th July 2018, 14:24

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Russia 'must explain nerve agent poisoning'

5/7/18

Home Secretary Sajid Javid has called on Russia to explain the Novichok
poisoning after two people were exposed to it in Wiltshire.

The couple, believed to be Charlie Rowley, 45, and Dawn Sturgess, 44,
fell ill at a house in Amesbury on Saturday and remain in a critical condition.

Mr Javid said the nerve agent used in the latest poisoning was the same
type as that which ex-Russian spy Sergei Skripal was exposed to in March.

He said 100 counter-terrorism officers were working with Wiltshire Police.

"It is completely unacceptable for our people to be either deliberate or
accidental targets, or for our streets, our parks, our towns, to be dumping
grounds for poison," he told MPs.

"It is now time that the Russian state comes forward and explains exactly
what has gone on."

read more.....https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44727191

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Amesbury incident may be consequence of Skripals case – UK security minister

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Published on 5 Jul 2018
The UK Security Minister says the latest incident of exposure to a nerve agent in
Britain is a repercussion of the poison attack on Sergey Skripal and his daughter
in March. British counter-terror police claim 2 people, who are in a critical condition,
came into contact with a military-grade poisonous substance. READ MORE: https://on.rt.com/9965

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Theresa May brings up Amesbury incident on German trip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbs_clQiLg0
Published on 5 Jul 2018..RT...( 1 min )...
Theresa May thanked Germany for their post-Skripal support and dropped the
Amesbury incident into her statement
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MSM and politicians scramble to point finger of blame for Amesbury incident

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Published on 5 Jul 2018
There’s an entirely inconsistent narrative that has been pursued both by politicians
and the media, says Charles Shoebridge former counter-terrorism officer as the
MSM scrambles to look for someone to blame.

Cidersomerset

5th July 2018, 15:01

This is typical of mainstream mind controlled view of Putin & RT....MP's should
not give interviews on 'Putins propaganda machine'....

Mike Gapes: ‘RT propaganda channel already gearing up to spread misinformation’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8JbfnqczOI
Published on 5 Jul 2018...RT...( 1 min )...
‘The St Petersburg troll factories and the RT propaganda channel are already
gearing up to spread misinformation,’ says Mike Gapes as Sajid Javid updates
house on #Amesbury incident.

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This is quite strange Mark Urban says in this piece that he interviewed Sergei
Skripal last summer on a number of occasions for a book project. The police
report is top secret etc....convenient.

Sergei was not living a particularly low profile life in the UK and did still give
lectures to military audiences in friendly countries...

Something as we know is very odd about all this outside the mainstream, and
Russia seems far to obvious a suspect imo...Unless some real proof can be
presented to Russian authorities.....

Skripals 'were under Russian surveillance' - BBC Newsnight

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uoPEc7hwqA
Published on 4 Jul 2018...BBC...( 8 mins )...
Newsnight’s Diplomatic and Defence Editor, Mark Urban, reveals that the
Skripals 'were under Russian surveillance' and that he personally had several
meetings with Sergei Skripal last year. In this report he explores what we know and
what we don’t about the poisoned ex-spy.
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Amesbury poisoning: Russia using UK as 'dumping ground'

5/7/18

read more....https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44727191

The Moss Trooper

5th July 2018, 16:49

This is just not making any sense, on any level, whatsoever.

The Daily Mail. Establishment mouth piece, perception management and narrative forming rag. One of the most visited 'news' sites in the UK.

So, let's take a deep breath................. And dive in. (All bolding is mine)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5919211/Amesbury-couple-exposed-Novichok-poison-fight-lives.html

Police fear missing Novichok 'syringe' that left couple fighting for life could have been 'carried off by a child' as they admit they have no idea where it is - as authorities FINALLY evacuate homes

Police are hunting for the deadly syringe or vial laced with Novichok that poisoned a couple in Salisbury as they finally evacuated homes five days after they fell catastrophically ill.

Dawn Sturgess, 44, and her boyfriend Charles Rowley, 45, became critically ill within hours of visiting Salisbury on Saturday – the site of the murder attempt on Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia.

The authorities are still searching for the container carrying the nerve agent, which could kill anyone who found it.

'It could have been picked up by anyone, including a child. There's no doubt it will be contaminated still', adding the poison could be deadly 'for decades' if kept dry.

Today police evacuated and screened-off the homeless shelter where Dawn lived in Salisbury and Charlie's home eight miles away in Amesbury where they both collapsed on Saturday.

Salisbury Hospital chief executive Cara Charles-Barks has revealed they remain in a critical condition in intensive care and are 'acutely unwell' but added that nobody else has been poisoned.

One friend of the couple, who were known to be drug users, believes they may have found a syringe believing it contained heroin rather than the deadly poison used by assassins Britain claims were sent by Russia.

'It was definitely an accident. I think they found a package and it looked like drugs', she said.

Syringe, vial or container?

Found a syringe and mistook it for heroin. Absolutely no way. Those with one of the most powerful of addictions would not, upon finding a syringe with liquid inside it, take it and inject it without testing it first. The reasons why no addict would do this are obvious. Potential dirty needle, possibly from someone with blood born viruses, Hep-C, HIV, etc, and not knowing what the contents are. Charlie Rowley is a registered addict so would have access to free needles and fit-packs (injecting kit). To test the contents would take 5 seconds.

By deduction, if we are to believe the narrative that is being pushed, that a syringe containing Novichok is responsible for these latest poisonings, that means that the Skirpals must've been injected with the chemical agent.......... why else would it be carried in a syringe? Yet, from all reports of the Skirpal poisoning, not one mentioned that they had been injected with the agent. Why is this narrative being formed now?

Another theory is that they found a bag in the park and took it home not knowing it contained traces of the deadly nerve agent.

What bag? What did it contain for them to take it home?

Dawn's mother Caroline, who looks after Dawn's 10-year-old daughter, works as a steward at the Boscombe Down RAF base.

The father of Dawn's children, Andy Hope, also has clearance for Boscombe Down, where he works as an aircraft engineer. One of Dawn's two older sons lives with him.

Interesting.

Chemical weapons expert Hamish de Bretton-Gordon told MailOnline that Novichok could survive for 'months or longer' inside a syringe - and only a 'few molecules' could make someone seriously ill if it entered their mouth, nose or blood.

He said: 'I think there is an assumption that they may have picked up a syringe. It appears they may have contaminated themselves and were not attacked.

'Only a few molecules of the stuff can make people ill but only of you ingest it. We know that several people brushed against the Skripals but they never became ill'.

He added: 'I understand that the security services and the police are pretty convinced that they are going to find and get a resolution to who attacked [the Skripals]. The Russians could get on the front foot and help us out here'.

Have the Russians not had every attempt at investigating blocked by UK PLC?

Mr Javid said a link to the Skripal attack was the 'main line of inquiry' but they would not 'jump to conclusions'.

He added: 'The decision taken by the Russian government to deploy these in salisbury was reckless and callous.'

Jumping to conclusions is exactly what is demonstrated in those two sentences.

'He started sweating. His T-shirt was soaking wet. He got up and started rocking against the wall,' Mr Hobson recalled.

'His eyes were wide open and red, his pupils were like pinpricks. He began gabbling incoherently and I could tell he was hallucinating. He was making weird noises and acting like a zombie. I phoned an ambulance.

'At first they thought it was drugs but they know now it isn't.'

But they didn't know that when Charlie was being loaded into the ambulance. So why did only one of the paramedics have a hazmat suit on? None of the police officers, none of the other ambulance staff and no one at the hospital. Check the video and photographs.

I'll tell you what that sounds like, a Fentanyl overdose. Possibly Carfentanil.

If you actually read the Daily Mail 'report', it repeats the narrative over and over and over, before moving-on to the Skirpal narrative, just to cement into your brain. Again.

Cidersomerset

5th July 2018, 17:20

Former Met Police chief inspector weighs in on Amesbury incident

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Published on 5 Jul 2018...RT...( 4 mins )...
‘I suspect what’s happened is something hasn’t been disposed of responsibly
and that has come to light somewhere else,’ says Peter Kirkham, former chief
inspector - Met Police, as Amesbury incident continues to unfold.

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' We must improve our propaganda '...Which is what she means....

Vicky Ford: ‘BBC crucial to our safety at home’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AzzuznEmf4
Published on 5 Jul 2018...RT...( 1 min )...
‘Would you consider giving your support to the BBC World Service at this time
because it is clearly crucial to our safety at home?’ Asked Vicky Ford in the wake
of the Amesbury incident earlier.

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This is just silly.......

Security Minister: There's No Link Between Wiltshire and Salisbury Poisoning
| Good Morning Britain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCb9w-EXfdI
Published on 5 Jul 2018...( 5 mins )...
Security Minister, Ben Wallace, claims that there is no real link to connect the
Wiltshire couple and the Skiprial's who were poisoned earlier in the year despite
them all being exposed to the same Russian nerve agent.
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Potent nerve agent sickens couple in Britain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_aJt5I09sw
Published on 5 Jul 2018...CBS...( 6 mins )...
Bristish police say a couple sickened this week were poisoned by Novichok, the same
type of nerve agent used to attack a Russian former spy and his daughter in March.
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British Prime Minister Theresa May responds to UK nerve agent poisoning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJZ35H4nJV0
Published on 5 Jul 2018...CNN...( 4 mins )
British Prime Minister Theresa May responds after a couple was exposed to
Novichok, a highly toxic nerve agent that nearly killed a former Russian double
agent and his daughter earlier this year.
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How did new Novichok poisoning in UK happen?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a29gALZm4c0
Published on 5 Jul 2018...Channel 4....( 11 mins )...
Could there be more Novichok out there?

Cidersomerset

6th July 2018, 14:41

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Amesbury Novichok contaminated item search continues

6/7/18

Police in hazmat suits have entered a hostel in Amesbury as they search for the
item contaminated with the nerve agent that poisoned a couple. Investigators
believe Charlie Rowley, 45, and Dawn Sturgess, 44, were exposed to Novichok after
handling the unknown object. The pair remain in a critical condition in hospital. The
item was unlikely to have been left in the open before they touched it, a
government scientist has told BBC News.

BBC home affairs correspondent Daniel Sandford said the search for the item could
take "weeks or months" and that no objects have yet been collected for testing.
Novichok can be degraded by rainwater and sunlight over time - meaning it was
probably discovered by the pair in a contained space, the government source added.
But other experts have said the nerve agent was designed to be persistent and not
break down.

read more.....https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44733873

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Sajid Javid calls on Russia to ‘explain’ situation over poisoning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjxM6GIkSZ0
Published on 6 Jul 2018...RT...( 4 mins )....
‘When British officials talk about the “RT propaganda machine” trying to
muddy the water by asking questions this is nonsense, any sensible
person is asking all sorts of questions,’ says Jonathan Steele - international
affairs analyst, as Amesbury incident unfolds.
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How to deal with Novichok? Use baby wipes, say health officials in
response to Amesbury incident!

Published on 6 Jul 2018...RT...( 3 mins )....
The British Home Secretary is calling on Russia to come clean about the
latest case of alleged Novichok use in the south of England. Meanwhile,
the UK public have been left worried after a couple ended up in critical
condition, with signs of what police described as nerve agent exposure.
READ MORE: https://on.rt.com/9965
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UK media speculating on Russian involvement despite many unknowns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlT5J0X7-oc
Published on 6 Jul 2018...RT...( 3 mins )....
‘We’ve come full circle, they sat their four months ago making the same
claims. Something happens accuse Russia, arguments collapse then quiet,
’ says RT’s Murad Gazdiev.

Cidersomerset

7th July 2018, 08:33

The 'spin' from the UK government and most of the mainstream press is to tow the
propaganda line. To counter the claim why would Russia do something like this
while the World cup is on and other internal events have been going on over the
past few years like the Sochi winter Olympics , elections etc.

The UK intel 'spin' is they use these events as cover to do nefarious acts
abroad....:facepalm:....I am not saying Russian intelligence is not capable of the
same antics western ones get up to but this seems all designed to stop Trump and
Putin becoming partners in some sort of peace in the East that may undermine the
Globalist NWO and NATO in some way....

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'UK media is willing to accept what is unproven & contradicts
common sense' – Int'l affairs analyst

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r0ZwejDjj4
Published on 6 Jul 2018...RT...( 5 mins )...
Following the Amesbury poisoning, some British media outlets have
indulged in scare-mongering. They claim an assassination attempt
or cyber-attack on critical national infrastructure by Russia are
imminent. READ MORE: https://on.rt.com/99bt

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Amesbury Novichok police operation 'will take months'

7/6/18

The police operation into the poisoning of a couple with a nerve agent in
Salisbury is "expected to take months to complete", officers have said.

Police believe Charlie Rowley, 45, and Dawn Sturgess, 44, were exposed
to Novichok after handling an unknown object.

The pair remain in a critical condition in hospital a week after falling ill.

Their symptoms were the same as those of Russian ex-spy Sergei Skripal
and his daughter Yulia, poisoned in March.

read more....https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44748582

Eric J (Viking)

8th July 2018, 21:30

Latest...

Novichok: Woman dies after exposure to nerve agent - police launch murder investigation

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/07/08/novichok-woman-dies-exposure-nerve-agent-police-launch-murder/?WT.mc_id=tmgliveapp_androidshare_Aq5btyB69NMk

A mother-of-three has died after she and her partner were exposed to Novichok in Amesbury.

Dawn Sturgess, 44, died on Sunday evening in hospital.

Her partner Charlie Rowley, 45, is still in a critical condition after the couple fell ill last Saturday.

Scotland Yard said they have launched a murder investigation – the second major probe involving the nerve agent this year, following the case of Sergei and Yulia Skripal in March.

Viking

Cidersomerset

8th July 2018, 21:32

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Murder inquiry after Novichok woman dies

8/7/18

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Dawn Sturgess collapsed at a flat in Amesbury on 30 June

Police have launched a murder inquiry after a woman exposed to nerve agent
Novichok in Wiltshire died.Dawn Sturgess, 44, died in hospital on Sunday evening
after falling critically ill on 30 June.Charlie Rowley, 45, who was also exposed to the
nerve agent in Amesbury, remains critically ill in hospital.

Theresa May said she was "appalled and shocked" by the death, which comes after
the poisoning of Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia in Salisbury.A post-mortem
examination of Ms Sturgess, from Durrington, is due to take place and her family
has been informed, police said.The investigation is being led by detectives from the
Counter-Terrorism Policing Network and about 100 detectives are working on the
case alongside Wiltshire Police.

read more.....https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44760875

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Woman dies after exposure to Soviet-era nerve agent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jfUAkHI31s
Published on 8 Jul 2018...CNN...( 4 mins )...
A woman who was exposed to a Soviet-era nerve agent in Amesbury, England,
died, the Metropolitan Police said in a written statement.

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Woman dies after Novichok exposure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaDa2Rzpjsk
Published on 9 Jul 2018...RT...( 2 mins )....
Scotland Yard police have now launched a murder inquiry after a woman who
was exposed to Novichok died in hospital.

Cidersomerset

9th July 2018, 15:10

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Novichok: Amesbury poisoning couple 'had high dose'

9/7/18

A woman who died after being exposed to the nerve agent Novichok in Wiltshire is
believed to have had a "high dose" of the substance, police have said.

read more.....https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44768229
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Wiltshire police issue statement on Amesbury incident

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iArKXmiABTU
Streamed live 3 hours ago...9/7/18/....RT...( 12 mins )....
LIVE: police issue statement on Amesbury incident

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UK police unable to link Amesbury compound to one used in Salisbury

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Published on 9 Jul 2018....RT...( 4 mins )....
‘This latest incident is in its early stages of investigation, yet some officials
have been pointing fingers at Russia already,’ says RT UK’s Anastasia
Churkina as police update public on latest unfoldings of #Amesbury incident.

Tintin

9th July 2018, 15:27

Discerning readers, both members and guests, who have been following this thread will have fathomed (I hope) the obvious establishment scripted version of events being proliferated by the mainstream news (sic) sources as being somewhat, well, setting the fake news standard, and, the well informed and incisive commentary from Craig Murray serving as a necessary and very important contradiction to that.

Here’s some more from him that follows, below:

The Amesbury Mystery (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/07/the-amesbury-mystery/)

5 Jul, 2018 in Uncategorized by craig

We are continually presented with experts by the mainstream media who will validate whatever miraculous property of “novichok” is needed to fit in with the government’s latest wild anti-Russian story. Tonight Newsnight wheeled out a chemical weapons expert to tell us that “novichok” is “extremely persistent” and therefore that used to attack the Skripals could still be lurking potent on a bush in a park.

Yet only three months ago we had this example of scores from the MSM giving the same message which was the government line at that time:

“Professor Robert Stockman, of the University of Nottingham, said traces of nerve agents did not linger. He added: ‘These agents react with water to degrade, including moisture in the air, and so in the UK they would have a very limited lifetime. This is presumably why the street in Salisbury was being hosed down as a precaution – it would effectively destroy the agent.'”

In fact, rain affecting the “novichok” on the door handle was given as the reason that the Skripals were not killed. But now the properties of the agent have to fit a new narrative, so they transmute again.

It keeps happening. Do you remember when Novichok was the most deadly of substances, many times more powerful than VX or Sarin, and causing death in seconds? But then, when that needed to be altered to fit the government’s Skripal story, they found scientists to explain that actually no, it was pretty slow acting, absorbed gradually through the skin, and not all that deadly.

Scientists are an interesting bunch. More than willing to ascribe whatever properties fit the government’s ever more implausible stories, in exchange for an MSM appearance fee, 5 minutes of fame and the fond hope of a research grant.

According to the Daily Telegraph today, the unfortunate Charlie Rowley is a registered heroin addict, and if true Occam’s Razor would indicate that is a rather more likely reason for his present state than an inexplicably persistent weaponised nerve agent.

If it is however true that two separate attacks have been carried out with “novichok” a few miles either side of Porton Down, where “novichok” is synthesised and stored for “testing purposes”, what does Occam’s razor suggest is the source of the nerve agent? A question not one MSM journalist seems to have asked themselves tonight.

I am slightly puzzled by the picture the media are trying to paint of Charlie Rowley and Dawn Sturgess as homeless, unemployed addicts.

The Guardian and Sky News both state that they were unemployed, yet Charlie was living in a very new house in Muggleton Road, Amesbury, which is pretty expensive. According to Zoopla homes range up to £430,000 and the cheapest ones are £270,000. They are all new build, on a new estate, which is still under construction.

Both Charlie Rowley and Dawn Sturgess still have active Facebook pages and one of Charlie’s handful of “Likes” is a mortgage broker, which is consistent with his brand new house.

They don’t give mortgages to unemployed heroin addicts, and not many of those live in smart new “executive housing” estates. Both Charlie and Dawn appear from their Facebook pages to be very well socialised, with Dawn having many friends in the teaching profession. Even if she has been homeless for a period as reported, she is plainly very much part of the community.

Naturally, there is no mention in all the reports today of MI6’s Pablo Miller, who remains the subject of a D notice. I wonder if he knows Rowley and Sturgess, living in the same community? It should be recalled that Salisbury may be a city, but its population is only 45,000.

The most important thing is of course that Charlie and Dawn recover. But tonight, even at this early stage, as with the entire Skripal saga, the message the security services are seeking to give out does not add up.

Mark Urban’s piece for Newsnight tonight was simply disgusting; it did not even pretend to be more than a propaganda piece on behalf of the security services, who had told Urban (as he said) that Yulia Skripal’s phone “could have been” tapped by the Russians and they “might even” have listened to her conversations through the microphone in her telephone.

That was the “new evidence” that the Russians were behind everything.

As a former British Ambassador I can tell you with certainty that indeed the Russians might have tapped Yulia, but GCHQ most definitely would have. It is, after all, their job, and billions of our taxes go into it.

If tapping of phones is seriously presented as evidence of intent to murder, the British government must be very murderous indeed.

Tintin

9th July 2018, 15:37

....and more from Craig, here:

"The media appear to have entirely excluded from the narrative that Porton Down specifically stated that they cannot determine the origin of the poison that attacked the Skripals. Nor has the OPCW."

Dawn Sturgess (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/07/dawn-sturgess/)

9 Jul, 2018 in Uncategorized by craig

The terrible death of Dawn Sturgess casts a new shadow over the Salisbury Affair. Dawn appears to have been a popular and well grounded woman with close friend and family ties, whose life had taken a downward turn before being cruelly ended.

The illogical, inconsistent and shifting government narrative over events in Salisbury and Amesbury had appeared so ludicrous as to be tragi-comic. Any sense of amusement is now abruptly dispelled.

But let us take a serious and sober look at the government case.

Savid Javid stated today:

"We know back in March that it was the Russians. We know it was a barbaric, inhuman act by the Russian state. Again, for this particular incident, we need to learn more and let the police do their work."

Actually, we know no such thing and, contrary to Javid’s deliberate insinuation, the police have adduced no evidence that it was the Russian state.

The media appear to have entirely excluded from the narrative that Porton Down specifically stated that they cannot determine the origin of the poison that attacked the Skripals. Nor has the OPCW.

There are scores of both state and non-state actors who could have produced the nerve agent. No evidence has been produced as to the physical person who allegedly administered the poison. In short, nothing so far has been shown which would lead any reasonable person to conclude a case against the Russian state was proven.

I believe this following is the government narrative currently. I hope I am not mistating it:

Russia has a decade long secret programme of producing and stockpiling novichok nerve agents. It also has been training agents in secret assassination techniques, and British intelligence has a copy of the Russian training manual, which includes instruction on painting nerve agent on doorknobs.

The Russians chose to use this assassination programme to target Sergei Skripal, a double agent who had been released from jail in Russia some eight years previously.

Only the Russians can make novichok and only the Russians had a motive to attack the Skripals.

The Russians had been tapping the phone of Yulia Skripal. They decided to attack Sergei Skripal while his daughter was visiting from Moscow. Their trained assassin(s) painted a novichok on the doorknob of the Skripal house in the suburbs of Salisbury. Either before or after the attack, they entered a public place in the centre of Salisbury and left a sealed container of the novichok there.

The Skripals both touched the doorknob and both functioned perfectly normally for at least five hours, even able to eat and drink heartily.

Then they were simultaneously and instantaneously struck down by the nerve agent, at a spot in the city centre coincidentally close to where the assassins left a sealed container of the novichok lying around. Even though the nerve agent was eight times more deadly than Sarin or VX, it did not kill the Skripals because it had been on the doorknob and affected by rain.

Detective Sergeant Bailey attended the Skripal house and was also poisoned by the doorknb, but more lightly. None of the other police who attended the house were affected.

Four months later, Charlie Rowley and Dawn Sturgess were rooting about in public parks, possibly looking for cigarette butts, and accidentally came into contact with the sealed container of a novichok. They were poisoned and Dawn Sturgess subsequently died.

I am going to leave you to mull over that story yourselves for a while. I believe it is a fair statement of the British government narrative.

I also believe almost (but not quite) every single sentence is very obviously untrue.

I hope tomorrow to publish a detailed analysis explaining why that is, but want you to look at it yourselves first.

One final thought.

I trust that Dawn Sturgess will get a proper and full public inquest in accordance with normal legal process, something which was denied to David Kelly.

I suspect that is something the government will seek to delay as long as possible, even indefinitely.

Cidersomerset

11th July 2018, 10:56

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Novichok victim Charlie Rowley speaks to police officers

11/7/18

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A man who was poisoned by Novichok has spoken "briefly" to officers trying
to find the source of the nerve agent, Scotland Yard has said.Charlie Rowley
has been in hospital since falling ill in Amesbury on 30 June and is in a critical
but stable condition.It comes a day after Salisbury District Hospital confirmed
the 45-year-old had regained consciousness.

Read more....https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44791374

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‘Prump/Tutin’: Craziest ‘Russiagate’ conspiracy yet?

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Published on 11 Jul 2018

The highly anticipated meeting between Donald Trump and President Putin next
Monday in Helsinki seems to have put the media rumour mill into overdrive.

Some parts are even speculating that the US president is a Soviet spy.

Tintin

11th July 2018, 13:56

Dilyana Gaytandzhieva | Recent Twitter post

Here is Dilyana's (https://twitter.com/dgaytandzhieva/status/1014974065239642112) recent research into the Amesbury incident and her typical diligence has yielded the following, below: (For reference to the Skripal incident see also Hervé's post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102079-Sergei-Skripal-who-was-behind-the-Salisbury-poisoning&p=1222834&viewfull=1#post1222834) on this thread)

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Scroll down a little on the thread and you will see this:

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Dawn Sturgess's Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/dawn.sturgess.7) [linked on title here)

I took a little time earlier to visit what is sadly now her legacy Facebook page and made the following observations, which are not necessarily conclusive of anything unusual going on in themselves, but reports suggesting that she may have suffered from some kind of cardiac related incident (cited from a Daily Mail article in the DG Twitter feed) may account for the lack of activity on her Facebook account between June 28th and when we were informed that this latest 'poisoning' may have occurred - a gap of 6 full days and no Facebook activity at all. (She appeared, at least between June 18th and June 27th, a daily contributor to her feed there.)

Tintin

13th July 2018, 15:50

"The nub of the British government’s approach has been the shocking willingness of the corporate and state media to parrot repeatedly the lie that the nerve agent was Russian made, even after Porton Down said they could not tell where it was made and the OPCW confirmed that finding. In fact, while the Soviet Union did develop the “novichok” class of nerve agents, the programme involved scientists from all over the Soviet Union, especially Ukraine, Armenia and Georgia, as I myself learnt when I visited the newly decommissioned Nukus testing facility in Uzbekistan in 2002."

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July 12th update on Craig Murray's blog (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/07/the-holes-in-the-official-skripal-story/) where he has, in my view, successfully identified the obvious holes in the official story and its mass of contradictions in light of what has been deduced, or discovered, since by persistent and honest journalists, quizzical medical professionals and experienced former civil servants to name but a few.

Looking forward to seeing what Craig's conclusions may well be sometime next week then. Rest assured they'll be backed up with a wealth of knowledge about how things work in high-office and behind the scenes.

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The Holes in the Official Skripal Story
12 Jul, 2018 in Uncategorized by craig

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/07/the-holes-in-the-official-skripal-story/

In my last post I set out the official Government account of the events in the Skripal Case.

Here I examine the credibility of this story.

Next week I shall look at alternative explanations.

• Russia has a decade long secret programme of producing and stockpiling novichok nerve agents. It also has been training agents in secret assassination techniques, and British intelligence has a copy of the Russian training manual, which includes instruction on painting nerve agent on doorknobs.

The only backing for this statement by Boris Johnson is alleged “intelligence”, and unfortunately the “intelligence” about Russia’s secret novichok programme comes from exactly the same people who brought you the intelligence about Saddam Hussein’s WMD programme, proven liars.

Furthermore, the question arises why Britain has been sitting on this intelligence for a decade and doing nothing about it, including not telling the OPCW inspectors who certified Russia’s chemical weapons stocks as dismantled.

If Russia really has a professional novichok assassin training programme, why was the assassination so badly botched? Surely in a decade of development they would have discovered that the alleged method of gel on doorknob did not work?

And where is the training manual which Boris Johnson claimed to possess? Having told the world – including Russia -the UK has it, what is stopping the UK from producing it, with marks that could identify the specific copy erased?

• The Russians chose to use this assassination programme to target Sergei Skripal, a double agent who had been released from jail in Russia some eight years previously.

It seems remarkable that the chosen target of an attempt that would blow the existence of a secret weapon and end the cover of a decade long programme, should be nobody more prominent than a middle ranking double agent who the Russians let out of jail years ago.

If they wanted him dead they could have killed him then. Furthermore the attack on him would undermine all future possible spy swaps. Putin therefore, on this reading, was willing to sacrifice both the secrecy of the novichok programme and the spy swap card just to attack Sergei Skripal.

That seems highly improbable.

• Only the Russians can make novichok and only the Russians had a motive to attack the Skripals.

The nub of the British government’s approach has been the shocking willingness of the corporate and state media to parrot repeatedly the lie that the nerve agent was Russian made, even after Porton Down said they could not tell where it was made and the OPCW confirmed that finding.

In fact, while the Soviet Union did develop the “novichok” class of nerve agents, the programme involved scientists from all over the Soviet Union, especially Ukraine, Armenia and Georgia, as I myself learnt when I visited the newly decommissioned Nukus testing facility in Uzbekistan in 2002.

Furthermore, it was the USA who decommissioned the facility and removed equipment back to the United States. At least two key scientists from the programme moved to the United States. Formulae for several novichok have been published for over a decade. The USA, UK and Iran have definitely synthesised a number of novichok formulae and almost certainly others have done so too. Dozens of states have the ability to produce novichok, as do many sophisticated non-state actors.

As for motive, the Russian motive might be revenge, but whether that really outweighs the international opprobrium incurred just ahead of the World Cup, in which so much prestige has been invested, is unclear.

What is certainly untrue is that only Russia has a motive. The obvious motive is to attempt to blame and discredit Russia. Those who might wish to do this include Ukraine and Georgia, with both of which Russia is in territorial dispute, and those states and jihadist groups with which Russia is in conflict in Syria. The NATO military industrial complex also obviously has a plain motive for fuelling tension with Russia.

There is of course the possibility that Skripal was attacked by a private gangster interest with which he was in conflict, or that the attack was linked to Skripal’s MI6 handler Pablo Miller’s work on the Orbis/Steele Russiagate dossier on Donald Trump.

Plainly, the British governments statements that only Russia had the means and only Russia had the motive, are massive lies on both counts.

• The Russians had been tapping the phone of Yulia Skripal. They decided to attack Sergei Skripal while his daughter was visiting from Moscow.

In an effort to shore up the government narrative, at the time of the Amesbury attack the security services put out through Pablo Miller’s long term friend, the BBC’s Mark Urban, that the Russians “may have been” tapping Yulia Skripal’s phone, and the claim that this was strong evidence that the Russians had indeed been behind the attack.

But think this through.

If that were true, then the Russians deliberately attacked at a time when Yulia was in the UK rather than when Sergei was alone. Yet no motive has been adduced for an attack on Yulia or why they would attack while Yulia was visiting – they could have painted his doorknob with less fear of discovery anytime he was alone.

Furthermore, it is pretty natural that Russian intelligence would tap the phone of Yulia, and of Sergei if they could. The family of double agents are normal targets. I have no doubt in the least, from decades of experience as a British diplomat, that GCHQ have been tapping Yulia’s phone. Indeed, if tapping of phones is seriously put forward as evidence of intent to murder, the British government must be very murderous indeed.

• Their trained assassin(s) painted a novichok on the doorknob of the Skripal house in the suburbs of Salisbury. Either before or after the attack, they entered a public place in the centre of Salisbury and left a sealed container of the novichok there.

The incompetence of the assassination beggars belief when compared to British claims of a long term production and training programme. The Russians built the heart of the International Space Station. They can kill an old bloke in Salisbury. Why did the Russians not know that the dose from the door handle was not fatal?

Why would trained assassins leave crucial evidence lying around in a public place in Salisbury?

Why would they be conducting any part of the operation with the novichok in a public area in central Salisbury?

Why did nobody see them painting the doorknob?

This must have involved wearing protective gear, which would look out of place in a Salisbury suburb. With Skripal being resettled by MI6, and a former intelligence officer himself, it beggars belief that MI6 did not fit, as standard, some basic security including a security camera on his house.

• The Skripals both touched the doorknob and both functioned perfectly normally for at least five hours, even able to eat and drink heartily. Then they were simultaneously and instantaneously struck down by the nerve agent, at a spot in the city centre coincidentally close to where the assassins left a sealed container of the novichok lying around. Even though the nerve agent was eight times more deadly than Sarin or VX, it did not kill the Skripals because it had been on the doorknob and affected by rain.

Why did they both touch the outside doorknob in exiting and closing the door?

Why did the novichok act so very slowly, with evidently no feeling of ill health for at least five hours, and then how did it strike both down absolutely simultaneously, so that neither can call for help, despite their being different sexes, weights, ages, metabolisms and receiving random completely uncontrolled doses?

The odds of that happening are virtually nil. And why was the nerve agent ultimately ineffective?

• Detective Sergeant Bailey attended the Skripal house and was also poisoned by the doorknob, but more lightly. None of the other police who attended the house were affected.

If the nerve agent had survived four months because it was in a sealed container, why has this sealed container now mysteriously disappeared again? If Rowley and Sturgess had direct contact straight from the container, why did they not both die quickly?

Why had four months searching of Salisbury and a massive police, security service and military operation not found this container, if Rowley and Sturgess could?

I am, with a few simple questions, demolishing what is the most ludicrous conspiracy theory I have ever heard – the Salisbury conspiracy theory being put forward by the British government and its corporate lackies.

My next post will consider some more plausible explanations of this affair.

greybeard

13th July 2018, 16:48

Breaking News Police find the source of the Novichoc poisoning, a small bottle has been found in the home of one of the victims

Dont have any more info

C

Cidersomerset

13th July 2018, 17:08

Breaking News Police find the source of the Novichoc poisoning, a small bottle has
been found in the home of one of the victims.Dont have any more info...C

Thanks Chris this is getting worse and it looks like they are still trying to blame
Russia and keep it in the headlines before Trumps meeting with Putin on Monday.
Or maybe they will find one of those old kids sets that are probably banned
now...:highfive:

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Fatal Novichok dose 'came from bottle' in victim's house

4 minutes ago.....13/7/18

Novichok that poisoned a couple in Wiltshire came from a small bottle
found in the home of one of the victims, police say.A bottle was found
in a search at Charlie Rowley's Amesbury house and was tested by
scientists at Porton Down, the Metropolitan Police said.

Mr Rowley, 45, remains in hospital in Salisbury in a serious but stable
condition after falling ill on 30 June. His partner Dawn Sturgess, 44,
died last weekend.Scientists at the Defence, Science and Technology
Laboratory are still trying to establish whether the deadly substance
found at Mr Rowley's house came from the same batch of Novichok
that contaminated Sergei and Yulia Skripal in March.

Read more...https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44827666

greybeard

13th July 2018, 17:38

A lot of people still believe that the media can be trusted to tell the truth, Cider.
Repetition repetition.
Tell a life often enough etc.

Sigh
C

Cidersomerset

13th July 2018, 18:19

A lot of people still believe that the media can be trusted to tell the truth, Cider.
Repetition repetition.
Tell a life often enough etc.

Sigh
C

I agree and it looks like it maybe a joint globalist concerted
effort to keep this on the front pages as the US assistant
DOJ has just dropped this....Timing this could have been
announced any time but today gives it maximum effect....

Re: The Qanon posts, and a “Very Bad Day” Scenario - for some elite swamp critters (Nov 2017 and beyond)
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-a---Very-Bad-Day---Scenario-for-some-elite-swamp-critters--Nov-2017-and-beyond-&p=1235194&viewfull=1#post1235194

I may have spoke to soon the globalists are still desperate to demonize Putin....

Timing : Two news items have just broken.....
12 Russian intel officers indicted in special counsel's probe

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Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein holds a press conference to announce that
12 Russian intelligence officers have been indicted for hacking the Democratic
National Committee during the 2016 election. Read the story here: https://fxn.ws/2ukng1L

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'Highly likely' now basis for West's policy on Russia - Lavrov

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiYzBHl2-Ao
Published on 13 Jul 2018...RT...( 5 mins )....
The West’s Russia policy is built upon the infamous “highly likely thing,” Foreign
Minister Sergey Lavrov told Larry King’s ‘Politicking’ show, saying this was
epitomized by the alleged Russian ‘meddling’ and the Skripal affair.

norman

13th July 2018, 18:19

Breaking News Police find the source of the Novichoc poisoning, a small bottle has been found in the home of one of the victims

Dont have any more info

C

Oh wait, are they going to do a 180 on the whole story and say a big sorry to Putin, grovel, grovel .. . .

Cidersomerset

19th July 2018, 12:54

Suspects in Skripal poisoning case believed to be identified
- Press Association source

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Published on 19 Jul 2018
Investigators in the UK believe they have identified a number
of suspects in the March poisoning of ex-double agent Sergei
Skripal and his daughter, the Press Association reports, citing
an unnamed source. READ MORE: https://on.rt.com/9aly

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http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/3.21.17/orb/4/img/bbc-blocks-dark.png

Salisbury poisoning: Police 'identify Novichok suspects'
19/7/18

read more....https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44883803

Cidersomerset

19th July 2018, 18:01

‘Wild speculation’: UK Security Minister dismisses claims of identified Skripal suspects

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkKKvTJC_ac

Published on 19 Jul 2018...RT...( 4 mins )....
UK Security Minister Ben Wallace has dismissed claims police identified
the suspects in the poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal in Salisbury as
“wild speculation.”

greybeard

19th July 2018, 18:47

Wild speculation--yet repeated on BBC News at 6pm.

Ch

Cidersomerset

19th July 2018, 19:16

Wild speculation--yet repeated on BBC News at 6pm.

Ch

I agree Chris I think it was spread in the press to keep pressure on the Trump/Putin
meeting in Helsinki and the ridiculous mainstream press and political hysteria
going on over the pond. I did cross reference it on the 'Q' thread earlier.....

The globalists are desperate to dampen any progress after the Trump Putin
meeting. The ridiculous frenzy of hysteria witnessed on the mainstream has
been a mind controlled bonanza , if only they knew how gullible they are.

Timing : Rosenstein indicting the 12 Russians before Helsinki failed. Trump
has had to walk back some comments . But now the CIA can rely on MI5/6
to help them out and it has been announced through the media they may/
might/highly likely etc ...found the culprits and they are Ruissian but no
details.....More BS for the gullible.....

Re: The Qanon posts, and a “Very Bad Day” Scenario - for some elite swamp critters (Nov 2017 and beyond)
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-a---Very-Bad-Day---Scenario-for-some-elite-swamp-critters--Nov-2017-and-beyond-&p=1236353&viewfull=1#post1236353

greybeard

19th July 2018, 20:22

I agree with what Trump said about --my words---- America making Russia out to be the big bad enemy.
It makes sense to me that USA and Russia get on well for the sake of world peace.
Nothing to be gained through cold war or otherwise.
Chris

Cidersomerset

20th July 2018, 16:56

Novichok victim Charlie Rowley leaves hospital: Link to post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103578-Cidersomerset-s-Daily-News.&p=1236933&viewfull=1#post1236933).

Hervé

22nd July 2018, 15:28

Tintin

22nd July 2018, 18:53

Novichok victim Charlie Rowley leaves hospital: Link to post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103578-Cidersomerset-s-Daily-News.&p=1236933&viewfull=1#post1236933).
Just look at that title... makes one wonder if the people at BBC have any neuron left anywhere:

A Novichok Nerve Gas Agent type poison leaves between 30 seconds to 3 minutes max to its contacted victim to concoct a prayer and/or collect themselves to meet their maker...

so, how come a "victim" of such a lethal NGA walks out of a hospital?

Well, quite. I didn't buy the mainstream narrative from the moment it 'broke'.

I remember one of Craig Murray's blog write ups around this incident - now of course these incidents - incorporating Lewis Carroll when he wrote: "...being asked to believe six impossible things before breakfast."

For anybody wanting another view from similarly quizzical persons may be interested in Rob Slane's slant on this whole peculiar series of events. I sense he may have sourced Craig Murray's articles for some of his research over here on TheBlogMire (http://www.theblogmire.com/the-salisbury-poisonings-novichok-the-odourless-nerve-agent-that-stinks-to-high-heaven/).

Here's a taster tweet (https://twitter.com/theblogmire/status/1020449023122079744) from him as well -

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greybeard

24th July 2018, 17:22

greybeard

25th July 2018, 05:38

Novichok Survivor Charlie Rowley Feels Like He Is 'To Blame' For Partner's Death

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/novichok-survivor-charlie-rowley-feels-180504836.html

Did You See Them

25th July 2018, 08:57

greybeard

25th July 2018, 11:41

Im not pro or anti.
Im just interested in truth.
What really is going on?

I doubt very much that we will ever know.

Chris

Tintin

25th July 2018, 13:02

C Rowley looks like a Spook !
I bet he has no social media history ( Just put that down to being a healthy looking H addict who hung around bars and pubs all day near porton down !! - Handy eh !)
He's "sad" for his partners death - I'd be furious and heart broken - not just "sad" !
I don't buy any of what we are being told about this and the Skripals !
The proximity to Porton down was the first of many red flags for me.

Yes, he does have a social media history, of sorts, although he seems not to have used his Facebook account in quite some time.

Those of us of a certain age - he's a little younger than me - use it only extremely sparingly, or not really very much at all, so that isn't necessarily conclusive of anything. It could just be a dormant account.

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Tintin

25th July 2018, 13:29

It may well be very prudent indeed to assume that there is another part of an ongoing agenda potentially being played out around these incidents ---there clearly isn’t just one story going on here.

This is not wild conjecture on my part, trust me, but I will make this slightly more than tentative suggestion at this point:

There may be a sub-plot going on to scare the general public into accepting enforced vaccinations in the event of a false flag “real” outbreak of a virus (as yet undetermined) by continuing this narrative

It would need to be borne in mind that the real perpetrators of these sorts of things are much more likely to be aiming to achieve several mission goals at the same time, under the guise of what appears to be just a standalone series of events, as in the case of these Salisbury “poisonings”.

norman

25th July 2018, 13:42

Spooks, is a generic term that can cover a spectrum of recruits into the Secret Service Circus.

After a few decades of letting the penny drop, I've come to the conclusion that I myself was once a potential recruit in the eyes of a small team who I think targetted me for a "tap". I do not kid myself that they saw "James Bond" potential in me. Far from it. I think they saw "Lee Harvey Oswald" potential in me.

I've come to believe that the vast majority of people they tap are seen as disposable assets to be used and trashed.

Tintin

25th July 2018, 15:54

Here's another blog entry from Craig following the recent interview with Charles Rowley conducted by ITV, and his usual astute observations (my comments after the article in purple):

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The Silence of the Whores (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/07/the-silence-of-the-whores/)
25 Jul, 2018 in Uncategorized by craig

The mainstream media are making almost no effort today to fit Charlie Rowley’s account of his poisoning into the already ludicrous conspiracy theory being peddled by the government and intelligence agencies.

ITV News gamely inserted the phrase “poisoned by a Russian nerve agent” into their exclusive interview with Charlie Rowley, an interview in which they managed to ask no penetrating questions whatsoever, and of which they only broadcast heavily edited parts. Their own website (http://www.itv.com/news/2018-07-24/charlie-rowley-novichok-amesbury/) contains this comment by their journalist Rupert Evelyn:

“He said it was unopened, the box it was in was sealed, and that they had to use a knife in order to cut through it.

“That raises the question: if it wasn’t used, is this the only Novichok that exists in this city? And was it the same Novichok used to attack Sergei and Yulia Skripal?”

But the information about opening the packet with a knife is not in the linked interview.

What Rowley does say in the interview is that the box was still sealed in its cellophane. Presumably it was the cellophane he slit open with a knife.

So how can this fit in to the official government account?

Presumably the claim is that Russian agents secretly visited the Skripal house, sprayed novichok on the door handle from this perfume bottle, and then, at an unknown location, disassembled the nozzle from the bottle (Mr Rowley said he had to insert it), then repackaged and re-cellophaned the bottle prior to simply leaving it to be discovered somewhere – presumably somewhere indoors as it still looked new – by Mr Rowley four months later.

However it had not been found by anyone else in the interim four months of police, military and security service search. [My italics - Tintin.]

Frankly, the case for this being the bottle allegedly used to coat the Skripals’ door handle looks wildly improbable. But then the entire government story already looked wildly improbable anyway – to the extent that I literally do not know a single person, even among my more right wing family and friends, who believes it. The reaction of the media, who had shamelessly been promoting the entirely evidence free “the Russians did it” narrative, to Mr Rowley’s extremely awkward piece of news has been to shove it as far as possible down the news agenda and make no real effort to reconcile it.

By his own account, Mr Rowley is not a reliable witness, his memory affected by the “Novichok”. It is not unreasonable to conjecture there may also be other reasons why he is vague about where and how he came into possession of this package of perfume.

The perfume bottle is now in the hands of the Police. Is it not rather strange that they have not published photos of it, to see if it jogs the memory of a member of the public who saw it somewhere in the last four months, or saw somebody with it?

The “perpetrators” know what it looks like and already know the police have it, so that would not give away any dangerous information. You might believe the lockdown of the story and control of the narrative is more important to the authorities than solving the crime, which we should not forget is now murder.

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I would suggest (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102079-Sergei-Skripal-who-was-behind-the-Salisbury-poisoning&p=1237684&viewfull=1#post1237684), only, that in the tragic case of Dawn Sturgess this was most likely a homeland state sponsored homicide to push an altogether different strand --- one that is for obvious reasons not being openly stated --- of an ongoing agenda.

The supposed culprit --- Russia --- in her role as the fictional "Spectre" is to the authors/scriptwriters not really the main story - a decoy narrative - although attaching the blame is clearly serving someone's purposes, somewhere.

Maybe, tragically, Dawn Sturgess was a sacrificial lamb and required to speed-up whatever this other sub-plot may be?

Maybe there is sufficient doubt now in the minds of a critical thinking element within the population that was finding the first two episodes in this saga increasingly ---and rightly ---difficult to swallow, and the real perpetrators needed to amp up?

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(Tintin Q)

Tintin

6th September 2018, 11:46

DISINFORMATION

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More mainstream media tomfoolery afoot dear members and guests.

And more apparently very elementary mistakes being made with disinformation presentation, specifically, peculiarities in this snapshot presented by the media yesterday - pay careful attention to the timestamp.

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At 18:00 hours yesterday the BBC were showing this 'doctored' image after they had been rolling this ridiculous narrative earlier without a timestamp

What follows is Craig Murray's blog entry from where I obtained this image (above) and his blog, which has been updated by him today in light of some helpful commentary from some of his readers, some comments of which I will share here as well.

The more eagle-eyed of you and those with image manipulation expertise on the forum may be able to also corroborate independent findings shared below the article.

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The Impossible Photo (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/09/the-impossible-photo/comment-page-1/#comments)
5 Sep, 2018 in Uncategorized by craig
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UPDATE
I am prepared to acknowledge that, given the gate design, they could have passed through different gates in exact synchronicity and this may be a red herring. I am leaving this post up here as it is good to acknowledge mistakes.

Russia has developed an astonishing new technology enabling its secret agents to occupy precisely the same space at precisely the same time. (see photo above)

These CCTV images released by Scotland yard today allegedly show Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov both occupying exactly the same space at Gatwick airport at precisely the same second. 16.22.43 on 2 March 2018. Note neither photo shows the other following less than a second behind.

There is no physically possible explanation for this. You can see ten yards behind each of them, and neither has anybody behind for at least ten yards. Yet they were both photographed in the same spot at the same second.

The only possible explanations are:

1) One of the two is travelling faster than Usain Bolt can sprint
2) Scotland Yard has issued doctored CCTV images/timeline

I am going with the Met issuing doctored images.

UPDATE (from September 5th)
A number of people have pointed out a third logical possibility, that the photographs are not of the same place and they are coming through different though completely identical entry channels.

The problem with that is the extreme synchronicity.

You can see from the photos that the channel(s) are enclosed and quite long, and they would have had to enter different entrances to the channels. So it is remarkable they were at exactly the same point at the same time. Especially as one of them appears to be holding (wheeled?) luggage and one has only a shoulder bag.
I have traveled through Gatwick many times but cannot call to mind precisely where they are.

Can anybody pinpoint the precise place in the airport? Before or after passport control? Before or after baggage collection? Before or after customs? The only part of the airport this looks like to me is shortly after leaving the plane after the bridge, and before joining the main gangway to passport control – in which case passengers are not split into separated channels at the stage this was taken. I can’t recall any close corridors as long as this after passport control. But I am open to correction.

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And here, below, some of the interesting and at times quite amusing comments on his blog. Note - reference to W.O.O.C (P) here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_IPCRESS_File).

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