Say No To Reincarnation And Remember Who You Are!

[dynamo]

by Stephanie MacDonald; In5D.com

http://in5d.com/say-no-to-reincarnation-and-remember-who-you-are

How is forgetting helpful to one’s growth? How does something horrible happening to you due to misdeeds from a past life teach you anything when you have no memory of what you did? How can you balance the scales when you have no idea what’s on the other side?

But yet you keep reincarnating over and over again and accumulate more and more lessons to learn from these past lives. So now you have all of these lessons you need to learn, but you get to have ZERO memory of failing any tests to begin with. It makes no sense at all.

Yes, our lives are “blinks” in the big scope of Everything and our life purpose IS experience as All is just “the Prime Creator” experiencing itself in Infinite Many-ness, so having 100 reincarnated lives “in a row” is nothing in the big scope of existence; even the so-called forgetting could be chalked up as “just another way of Source experiencing itself;” HOWEVER there is no way of getting around the fact that FORGETTING HINDERS PROGRESS. Forgetting hinders the ability to turn knowledge into wisdom!

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YVSGZpYS0is/Wq-lwTNVj6I/AAAAAAAARkg/OQmNCdtWAVwiKqXqrNnYkZsHm_kVHaL5wCLcBGAs/s640/afterlife.jpg

Now if you have an open mind and want to take a look at this rabbit hole, here is a theory as to why reincarnation happens. It is no secret to those who have looked beyond what they have been told and realized there appears to be a Control Game on Earth.

The Elite, the Anunnaki, Illuminati, Archons, Cabal, Draco Reptilians, as well that written in ancient/sacred texts… whatever you look at or however you look at it, it all points to certain groups of beings that strive for ultimate power, wealth, control, and nowadays it would appear that those “in control” keep us “dumbed down” by psychic attacks, feeding us false information, poisoning our water, food, & “medicines” – maintaining manipulation with “mainstream” media, and teaching us lessons of inaccurate history while keeping the majority of the people just able-bodied enough to work their lives away to make those already on top even more rich and more powerful while others are used as pawns to “get certain points across.”

It appears the aim is for people to remain asleep enough to not look within or any further than what their government, school, and media are telling them to believe. We always have someone to listen to. Someone to follow. Something to do to distract us. It is part of the “agenda” to think we need their help, purposely creating countless situations for us to think there is someone to “fight,” something else that needs to be worked on, something else is wrong.

This gets the majority of people to essentially agree to the “problems” and through which by agreeing to the problems, we basically agree to “sell ourselves” to serve THEIR greatest interests, to fight their battles, and never serve our own individual highest goods, but rather the illusion of it.

As long as the world is a scary place and people think that we need “Big Brother’s help” and his “protecting,” people will continue to work for an agenda and a false-belief system, and not for themselves. And thats why so many people never “find” themselves or start really remembering who they are at the core of their being; they’ve lost themselves by serving and helping everyone but themselves believing it is what they must do.

People buy into this duality of good versus evil, they buy into the illusion and utterly forget that they are Sovereign. We are above and greater than everything we’ve been conditioned to believe on this planet! We are Spiritual beings. We are creators. We are directly connected to Source. Through Source we know that ALL is ONE and it is through this knowing that we open our awareness to our innately Infinite potentials of energy.

The energy of our essense of our souls, is pure and we create it by just being and “those behind the curtain” need such energy to sustain themselves since they have so far removed themselves from Source. They create situations to take ours away in ways both seen and unseen since they cannot create their own energy like we do. They take our power away to make themselves more powerful… the more you look into it, as crazy as it sounds, one cannot help but see puzzle pieces fall into place.

These days, it appears as more people awaken, the more we will see destruction, disaster, and false panic in such ways to create the additional energies needed to “feed” on and take power from, and in attempts to make us go on thinking that we need their “help” and “saving.”

Thing is, we don’t need anyone to save us. We save ourselves. These “tragedies” that may come to happen, won’t continue forever. Consciousness is changing. It has to, as the only thing constant is change. It is through this “saving” of ourselves, through this awakening and expanding of consciousness, that we help to “save” others as well. In actuality, us saving others is just showing them they can save themselves.

The more that scale tips in favor of self-realization, the more these old systems will collapse and die off and the veils put in place will fall further away. Once people on a large scale realize who and what they really are in this very convincing illusion, they cannot go back to sleep, and this is happening more and more than ever before! So what happens when 5D consciousness inhabits a 3D/4D material Earth and just enough of her inhabitants, well this is “the Shift” or “the New Earth” we’ve been hearing about. This is how we “win.”

Okay back to reincarnation… think about this…

Most people with near death experiences talk about seeing a white light. A tunnel. Spirit Guides. Angels. Loved Ones. It all feels so “familiar”… many say they are shown a movie of sorts of their lives where they experience things from other perspectives and are overcome with such guilt and really do want to have “another chance” at another life to “make it right.”

Hence we AGREE to reincarnate and therefore AGREE to this effed up Earth reality, that is how they get away with not violating free-will, they use their tricks of the light to convince us of having these feelings of remorse and get us to agree to their “rules” in order for us to go back and “make things right.”

We go back again and often in groups (this is where soul families come from and why it is so important for soul families to awaken and work together, to create collectives and expand them as morphogenetic fields of thought containing similar vibration/frequency which allows more people and “soul families” to “tap into” it, allowing our “fields” to connect and fill and surround the planet).

Once we’re back on Earth we can change roles from mom to daughter, sister to grandpa, school teacher to neighbor, and so on and experience “the other” perspective so we can “balance our karma.” So not only do we agree to come back after being deceived with “lights and loved ones” we often come back at lower advantages and extra struggles to pay some karma back, but that in all “reality” it just creates further separation and more “hard-times” since you don’t remember why you’re here or what the hell you’re supposed to do!

The weaker and more confused you are (ESPECIALLY mentally and spiritually) the easier you are to control, so yay, “those in control” now have more low vibrations and negative energies to feed on to keep them going and further push their agenda. They can remain in control of all their energy-source “slave batteries” who work for them and they are getting us to AGREE to it!

We may not see the bars and seemingly have space to roam, but they know that if we could SEE the bars we would be far less productive, so it is set up in a way that we think we’re free, we think we are making the choices, but more often than not people in general aren’t working in their own personal AND spiritual best interests, they have quite simply been tricked into thinking they are just another mindless cog in the wheel, or turn that forgetfulness into greed, or do their best to “commit no sin” but yet all are made to forget who they truly are, often having series of unfortunate events happening to serve to keep them feeling lost or defeated or in need of one more dollar or acquisition or in need of some kind of help or are always waiting for “something,” all the while at the same time are being sprinkled with just enough “victories” to keep them going and working. But working for and toward… what? Perhaps we should ask ourselves “Who am I working for and what am I working toward?” Along with, “Who is really benefiting from my work?”

Most people are beat down and tired long before any “finish line” appears and come back to do the same thing over and over without any end in sight, except for those handful of “Ascended Masters” – it just seems pretty strange and indicates something must be “suffocating” something that more of us are not waking up to this level of awareness that is already innately ours to begin with! What could possibly do that?!

Mass Manipulation over many generations. It is very easy to see how “the cycle of reincarnation” can easily happen under such conditions and why it is time for Mass Awakening. The end of reincarnation can end either Individually or Collectively and this liberation comes from simply remembering who and what we are.

I don’t ask anyone to just blindly believe this, if it resonates, it resonates. The “proof” is to simply take this information with you at the time of your physical death. CHOOSE to not go to “the light” which seems to be nothing more than deception, “a trick of the light” as a reflection of the “trick of consciousness” in this world – and knowing you as the powerful spark of divine source you are, make the choice to reunite with YOUR Highest Self/Oversoul and CHOOSE where you wish to go. We are each a part of the “infinite many-ness” of “Prime Source” here at this time to experience this spark of divinity within human bodies. Within that space, we also have free-will and the power of manifestation and creation. That is a beautiful thing!

Therefore because I know who I AM, I know I would NEVER choose to reincarnate on a dualistic planet with absolute AMNESIA to balance **** I don’t remember anything about. I would NEVER choose to do “multiple rounds” on a planet where people are being intentionally poisoned, killed, starved, raped, tortured, manipulated, animals and wildlife abused, to be born as a number sequence, to go to schools where you are forced to accept someone else’s “truth” and graded on it as a basis of your future worth, and from there go to work for paper money for nearly the rest my life to pay for stuff I don’t even need to make someone else rich and have more influence over what I say, wear, do, eat, drink, etc, to finally grow old riddled with disease and sickness on more pills that I can count that only serve to mask my symptoms instead of curing my illness… This is total madness!

Perhaps that in fact IS the whole point of it all here… But it is not MY point, it isn’t ME, and I have a feeling it isn’t most of us either! And perhaps that’s EXACTLY why we are here! To wake up and say NO this isn’t okay and show others how to as well simply through our example and by sharing (but not forcing) our truth!

Of course “stuff” can be enjoyed while we are here, but it may be crucial to remember it’s all ultimately worthless as none it can be taken with us (the story of detachment: enjoy it, but know you don’t need it!) But sadly, too many people are distracted by a whole plethora of “shiny things” and this is what ultimately “keeps those in control going and their traps still working.”

What we can do is gain knowledge and turn it into wisdom, partner that wisdom with spirituality and take our power back; wake up from the illusion and make our own choices. The game board may still be on the table but we don’t have to play it. However we should learn the rules of the “Earth Game” aspect of this current reality so that such rules can be properly broken. Let’s share THAT with others too, in addition to all the Love & Light! To sum it up, it’s like this:

If “everyone is doing it” it makes me take less interest in it because I find it to be less original and genuine. If “everyone walked that path,” it makes me less likely to want to take it as my own. If “everyone believes this certain thing to be true” then I am most likely to want to investigate WHY. So if everyone over the years seems to be told to “go to the light,” then I am going to be more inclined to want to turn around and see what ALL my options are and I hope you do too.

About the Author:

Stephanie MacDonald. Come follow me on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/LotusSupernova

[ghostrider]

evolutive values learned in life are stored in the storage banks , you pass into the beyond , the personality is stored , and the overall consciousness block creates a new consciousness with a new personality but same spirit form in every life ... the universe must evolve , the new personality guarantees progress ... the abilities of former lives can be brought to bare if one is able to create the corresponding frequencies held in the storage banks ... they will come as a hunch ... the impulses contain the essences of evolutionary values ... what you are searching for can only be found with meditation ... just trying to help ... i ask the same questions ... a book by Edward Meier called the decalogue might help ...

[dynamo]

Thanks Bill for adding the source, I figured the Wastebook link at the bottom of the OP was enough, I will add the source each time from now on.
Funny thing, the original place I got the article from is here:
http://www.riseearth.com/2018/03/say-no-to-reincarnation-and-remember.html

I went to paste it on my Wastebook page and the Wastebook censors blocked it LOLOLOL!!!
But they didn't block your URL...
There is more than one way to skin a cat, Suckerburger! (not that I'd ever skin a cat LOL).

[Wind]

I see that in5d hasn't changed much after all these years, I used to visit the site quite often once, but got tired of seeing the nonsensical articles there. Confused authors writing this kind of confused information and portraying it as the truth... Which will possibly confuse others too. Oh well. Who am I to shatter such beliefs. We all learn through mistakes and will eventually get to see the truth.

The point isn't to remember what particular person you were in your thousands of previous incarnations (although you can), but to realize instead what you are. This is the path to liberation. That something is quite wonderful and it is not something that can be controlled. We're all it.

[meeradas]

That something is quite wonderful and it is not something that can be controlled.

I call that something ev'rythinggggggg...

[Sunny-side-up]

Hi dynamo and yes good post.

Don't just rush into the headlights beam.

There have been a few great discussions on and relating to this subject:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64641-Is-the-white-light-after-we-die-a-trap&highlight=white+light

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78553-The-White-Light-After-Death&highlight=white+light

And this post:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?5402-Soul-harvester

[Joe Akulis]

Yeah, I think that author was writing about something that they haven't really spent enough time researching. :-)

Or perhaps they don't have the benefit of ever tapping the resources here at Avalon. :-) (All you awesome astral travelers, no, you're not just "resources.") heh heh

I learned by reading up on Edgar Cayce, a lot better about how the subconscious part of the mind is how past experience lends a hand in the present. Nothing from past lives is just gone and lost when you start the next one. It's about spiritual alchemy here.

Incidentally, I've read from some others here on Avalon that the forgetting is not universal to all "physical" experiences. This place is rather more of an exception. We have some astral travelers who have stated that many other worlds have some degree of visibility through the "veil", and have working experience of both the non-physical and the physical at the same time, if you were to incarnate in those worlds/places. We happen to be involved in one of the more difficult experiences here because the separation from the non-physical layer is much more impenetrable.

My opinion is, if this is a place where the potential is here for people to really take practicing negativity to an art form, then the forgetting is kind of a smart move. Doing something that you could never forgive yourself for and then never being able to get away from the memory could create a huge trap that most of us here would still be stuck in. And being able to admit that you were probably a colossal jerk in one or more of your past lives can help prevent you from judging the less evolved around you.

*shrug* Just some thoughts I had while reading the opening post.

Much love to all on this thread,
Joe

[Joey]

It's funny WIND, because I get tired the other way around. I get tired of the 'we are all one' and 'everything is love' and 'the individual I does not exist' mantra's which are repeated again and again. Not to debunk you Wind, because from what i've seen, you are very integer. But for me, this world is just not right and there is a deep sickness going on, which I identify as a multidimensional cosmic war, where the reincarnation trap is just a part of it. In my mind this world is a kind of prison, in which we serve as slaves for the cosmic overlords. And I don't believe in the blame/victim mentality either because at some point I chose to come here and be part of the solution.

The facts about the moon, the fact that we have no contact with cosmic brothers and sisters, our seperation from source and our true history, the mass manipulation going on, the clear push toward a technological-totalitarian state, the fact that only 3% of our DNA is functioning, the fact are trapped in fear, it just doesn't add up to the situation that it is just a matter of illusion and that we have to wake up to the fact that 'I do not exist' and 'we are all one'.

[Bill Ryan]

It always rather amazes me what confusion there sometimes is about reincarnation.

The issue is really only about amnesia. The analogy is as if we woke up this morning, and gaze, blinking, at the world and people around us, trying (rapidly!) to make sense of it all.

It's like a Jason Bourne memory-loss situation. Who am I? What did I do? And why are all these people after me? :)

Remembering what the heck may have happened to us last week, or last year, can really help — because then some of the events (and people!!) surrounding us now may make a great deal more sense.

But that ONLY matters to help us understand the here and now. And the ONLY thing we can ever do is make good judgments and decisions in the present.

The past is all downstream now. But we can learn from our personal history, if we know it, or can uncover it. And to adapt the well-known saying, if we don't understand the lessons from our personal history, we may be destined to repeat them.

[enigma3]

From lifetime to lifetime we bring along our karmic load in the form of tendencies, likes and dislikes. All of it is directly tied to attachment. Attachment, if it has an emotional affect, imprints on the karmic load, karmic baggage. We keep incarnating until karma is burned off or falls away. The only was this happens is when, through a lesson learned, we become totally unattached to that former karma.
And so it is. Life in a body is a spiritual proving ground. Once we realize and understand that the only thing happening here is constant creation streaming from the SOURCE of all that is created, and we learn to jump into the river and ignore our "self", karma begins to dissolve. David Carse in "Perfect Brilliant Stillness" tells it well. Once awakening happens the body/mind of any individual instantly recognizes that there is NO individual "I". Nobody home. And instantly, a fair amount of karma falls away. Then, what is left of "you" understands what karma is - an attachment to one's personal story. But the story is seen as false, untrue. This is difficult for the unawakened to grasp. Once karma is burned off or falls away there is no need to take another body. Some still do, but very few. As I have read from Alice Bailey, then there is birth in a body of light in a more refined level. But no more karma.

[Wind]

My opinion is, if this is a place where the potential is here for people to really take practicing negativity to an art form, then the forgetting is kind of a smart move. Doing something that you could never forgive yourself for and then never being able to get away from the memory could create a huge trap that most of us here would still be stuck in. And being able to admit that you were probably a colossal jerk in one or more of your past lives can help prevent you from judging the less evolved around you.

Exactly. This is a hard school where we learn through pain, perhaps this is one of the most miserable planets in the known universe. Yet it contains massive potential for learning and for the expansion of consciousness, which the soul and the Creator could never get any other way. It's just all for drama's sake... But there's an important lesson it it too. Nothing is trivial or without purpose. Pain is real and it's there for a reason.

Imagine you were a cold hearted killer or a murderer in one life. How could you handle that information in this life being the kind and sensitive person that you are now, what kind of an impact would that have on your conscience? Perhaps it would be hard to believe that "you" were like that once. It was you, but then again it wasn't. It was another person in another time... The soul gains or loses karma through it's actions throughout the times. Karma isn't something to be understood as punishment for sinners, but it's more like a cosmic weaving between all things. You wouldn't be here unless you didn't have a mission or a purpose. It will be your own adventure to find out what that might be.

[Michelle Marie]

Self-Realization is occurring, the Knowing of our True Selves as our soul's eternal essence. That part I resonate with. But the rest sounds a bit contrived and does not resonate.

I meditate daily. My discernment has become more sharp. There is something about that article that feels "off" even though there is truth woven into it.

By placing attention within and one becomes Self-directed and the conscience develops as the consciousness expands. By constantly focusing outwardly and buying into "programs" (and many are quite subtle), we may give our power and energy away through our attention.

Telling people to not go into the light, well is telling people what to do. When one is Self-aware, they can trust their intuition that is attuned to Spirit. They are Self-directed naturally through attunement. Discernment is strong and can sort through information and separate the wheat from the chaff. No longer do we "buy into" something because part of it is true.

We all evolve. There is no separation between soul and Spirit; ocean and wave. I will trust my intuition in every moment. It serves me well. I will not be told what to do or not to do; what to believe or not to believe. I am attuned to Absolute Truth.

MM :heart:

@Wind--I like the saying: "Every sinner has a future; every saint had a past."

[Midnight]

Before I began to access the internet, I had never heard the idea that the reincarnation system might have been designed by others to keep us trapped, and that the creators of the system regard us the way we think of animal livestock. This idea that it is a trap system seems possible to me. Not only do I not remember my previous incarnations (unlike some of you here), but I also stumbled through the first 40 years of my life completely forgetting the lessons in life that now seem so obvious, and it was this forgetting that led to so much grief on my part. Was all of that negative energy I produced food for the non-physical beings that created the reincarnation system? Maybe. Maybe not.

I read the Michael Newton material about life between lives, and it is consistent with the idea that reincarnation is a benevolent system, a difficult challenge, yet ultimately the only way to work towards freedom from the reinarnation cycle of birth and death. And then there's this other idea that it's a trap. I don't know how people living here can be sure which is right. Me, I think it MIGHT be a trap, and I hope my skepticism survives my death so that I can make wise decisions once I'm there. If I remember that reincarnation might be a trap, will I actually be allowed to reject another incarnation? Will I be allowed to leave the so-called astral plane and venture off into the free universe? And if I am allowed to leave, wouldn't it be hard to leave behind the people I love?

As an old man, it's the big question for me, but I doubt it will be unequivably answered while I am here. I doubt people when they say they know the answer one way or the other. And how does the possibility that this world might be a hologram play a role in the trap? If you escape the hologram, are you then truly free?

[Noelle]

In my opinion, the author made some valid points, especially these two:

1. We "keep reincarnating over and over again and accumulate more and more lessons to learn from these past lives. So now you have all of these lessons you need to learn, but you get to have ZERO memory of failing any tests to begin with."

2. "...if everyone over the years seems to be told to 'go to the light,' then I am going to be more inclined to want to turn around and see what ALL my options are."

I think accounts from many people who have had near death experiences and other out of body experiences are enough for me to consider "the tunnel of light" and reincarnation as suspicious. TrickedByTheLight.com (http://www.trickedbythelight.com/) is a good resource on this topic, including this page (http://www.trickedbythelight.com/tbtl/light.shtml) that offers excerpts from NDE reports.

As of this moment, I plan on saying "no" to reincarnation. :) That's based on evidence gathered from my own OBEs. I am not telling anyone that they should do the same, nor is the author of the OP article.

[O Donna]

(Re) incarnation: hurdle(s)
The track: an iteration

One such hurdle:
'Who' is it that decides on yea or nay?

Shall I reiterate?

[Ben]

In my mid-teens, I had this recollection of a memory (
and this may sound strange), from just after I was born. The memory is basically of me becoming conscious of where I was and thinking 'oh no, not here again!'

Since this recollection, I've always thought and hoped that this will be my last time here on Earth. Then a couple of years ago I came across an essay which gave practical advice on how to avoid the reincarnation trap. It was all to do with discernment, and gave practises involving discernment in this life, so as to increase the likelihood of having the same ability post-death.

My reasoning is that if it is at all possible to decide not to come back here again, then it would be very unwise of me not to learn skills and abilities that may assist me with this.

This is not to say I don't, and won't, enjoy the beauty and joy of being here on this planet whilst I'm still in this experiencing this life in this body :)

[Michelle Marie]

Before I began to access the internet, I had never heard the idea that the reincarnation system might have been designed by others to keep us trapped, and that the creators of the system regard us the way we think of animal livestock. This idea that it is a trap system seems possible to me. Not only do I not remember my previous incarnations (unlike some of you here), but I also stumbled through the first 40 years of my life completely forgetting the lessons in life that now seem so obvious, and it was this forgetting that led to so much grief on my part. Was all of that negative energy I produced food for the non-physical beings that created the reincarnation system? Maybe. Maybe not.

I read the Michael Newton material about life between lives, and it is consistent with the idea that reincarnation is a benevolent system, a difficult challenge, yet ultimately the only way to work towards freedom from the reinarnation cycle of birth and death. And then there's this other idea that it's a trap. I don't know how people living here can be sure which is right. Me, I think it MIGHT be a trap, and I hope my skepticism survives my death so that I can make wise decisions once I'm there. If I remember that reincarnation might be a trap, will I actually be allowed to reject another incarnation? Will I be allowed to leave the so-called astral plane and venture off into the free universe? And if I am allowed to leave, wouldn't it be hard to leave behind the people I love?

As an old man, it's the big question for me, but I doubt it will be unequivably answered while I am here. I doubt people when they say they know the answer one way or the other. And how does the possibility that this world might be a hologram play a role in the trap? If you escape the hologram, are you then truly free?

Thanks, Midnight. I read the Michael Newton books also, and many books on NDEs and the bardo, and past life regressions. I feel that reincarnation is a benevolent system, too. I also know that this is a free will choice universe. We develop discernment and follow the Inner Light and guidance of soul/Spirit within. Our soul is always in control--our Superconsciousness; not our egoic-mind separate sense of self.

Our Identity evolves. We become aware of our true essence as Spirit.

It's the ego that falls into traps; not the free spirit of our soul essence.

I'm going to get a soul regression this year. I'm looking forward to it! :)
These regressions open us up to inspire latent talents and heal past life experiences or blockages caused by them. It's been my guidance to go down this road at this time, so the timing is divine and it will serve its purpose.

Love frequency!!! :heart: (No fear.)

37401

MM :sun:

[Merlinus]

Yep, the reincarnation system is a trap, a neverending loop.

Exposing the Reincarnation Deception: Your Soul is Enslaved

http://howtoexitthematrix.com/2015/07/14/exposing-the-reincarnation-deception-your-soul-is-enslaved/

Escape 'Their' TRAP and Set Your Soul FREE

http://humansarefree.com/2015/03/escape-their-trap-and-set-your-soul-free.html?m=0

[Cardillac]

@Merlinus

Hi!

I think what you have stated/posted with links is absolutely the truth; which NOBODY wants to deal with because it goes against conventional thinking;

but once we die do we have a choice between the light at the end of the tunnel or absolute infinity into blackness (or so we percieve it in our physical lives)?

it's a true dilemma as none of us still alive people have yet experienced this (maybe in previous lives but we have no recollection of this- our memories were erased- but WHY?)

I certainly don't have the answer but as I'm now in the autumn of my yrs. I continue to think more and more about life after death-

please stay well-

Larry

[Sunny-side-up]

Hi Joey


The facts about the moon, the fact that we have no contact with cosmic brothers and sisters, our seperation from source and our true history, the mass manipulation going on, the clear push toward a technological-totalitarian state, the fact that only 3% of our DNA is functioning, the fact are trapped in fear, it just doesn't add up to the situation that it is just a matter of illusion and that we have to wake up to the fact that 'I do not exist' and 'we are all one'.

As far as I can tell we are all one, we are not the ego and mind of the meat suite, the matter realm is (or the part we think we are in) illusion.

Don't get caught up in the fear and vastness of dispaire, you are at a good point.
Sometimes you need to almost give up and be defeated to then see the true strength with in, you see the foundations and strength you have always had, still have, you also see the true light and direction.

[enigma3]

Reincarnation is not a trap. Good grief. Put in Christian terms, God wants you to mature spiritually so you see God, are at one with God. Jesus said, I and my god are one. And I sit at the right hand of God. And further, you will do what I do and more. So it is our spiritual birthright to know God directly, consciously. Why are we born without this knowing? That is the great mystery. No writer has ever solved that dilemma. How long does it take to sit at the right hand of God? A few lifetimes. When you do, you will know the peace that passes all understanding.
Let us not forget that reincarnation was a valid teaching within Christianity until the Catholic church voted it out. It still remains as a valid teaching in all eastern religions.

[Catsquotl]

Reincarnation is I feel the most widely misunderstood teaching in the world.
It has gotten mingled with all sorts of new and old-age assumptions.

In Buddhism for instance there is an ongoing debate of what it is that reincarnates and receives Karma. If we can even call it receiving.
The Older religions are still on the fence about the existence of a permanent self, or an eternal void which plays with itself. Not necessarily as an ultimate all knowing consciousness.

In some traditions it is believed that all that incarnates is your dying-breath desire..
I've heard some masters say that all that is reborn is our bad habits..
In that sense You can be the cause of a next rebirth, But only to the extent that that rebirth was desired. It does not necessarily assume it is You(whatever that may be) who is in that new birth any more substantial than an idea..

From this p.o.v the memories of "past" lives may well be the memory of someone else who desired what caused your birth. This does not mean You are in anyway involved in the birthing process other than as a recipient of the gift of life based on someone else's desire..

With Love
Eelco

[East Sun]

imo, we just don't know, admit it to your self, we don't know...............

[onawah]

Some of us DO know--at least, we know some pieces of the puzzle...
I don't have past life recall, but I know intuitively when I meet someone in my soul group that I have known before.
I have found the Michael Teachings to be very helpful in understanding some of the whys and hows and wherefores of reincarnation and our purpose in being part of these cycles.
http://www.michaelteachings.com/
I'm very cautious about any form of channeling, but if you find someone who is a clear channel, they can be very informative.
As far as I am aware, there have been quite a few very talented, clear channels doing the Michael Teachings work, and it's a well established community.
As for the issue of the False Light, it's consistent with the Tibetan Book of the Dead, and so I think there is something to it.
The Tibetans seem to have learned quite a bit about that subject over the centuries...

[white wizard]

Reincarnation is a complicated matter when trying to look at in a narrow perspective.

The sad truth is yes it is being abused by certain beings as a form of enslavement, but

on the other hand the beings experiencing it our gaining enormously in most cases. It

really just depends how you look at it some souls may gain enormously from a

reincarnation cycle while other souls ma be corrupted and get stuck down here for

eons. What can be said without much of a doubt is we all agreed to experience

reincarnation knowing the risk vs rewards, but i honestly believe that if we are

truly in a free will universe that beings who get trapped in reincarnation can get

out if they decide to take their power back, but with so much corruption and

manipulation they often get distracted and fall victim to higher level beings using

them as pawns. Another thing to take into account is not every being on earth

is in a reincarnation cycle some beings like star seeds and others are just here visiting

[wnlight]

dynamo,
I noticed that your post used the word 'you' five times in the first paragraph. There is an implied conclusion that the personality referenced in the 'you' is/was the the same in each incarnation. The posting also implied that lessons learned in previous lives would help the current personality to succeed in the current life. When I look at the personalities of my most recent past lives, I see huge differences. I do not see a smooth convergence like what one looks for in a mathematical sequence. So the 'you' in these previous lives is not the 'you' in my current life. I would like to know more about my previous lives, but not to use this information to correct my current life. I would rather use what I learn from my past lives to help understand the whole scheme of reincarnation.

Spirit tells me that I have lived lives on other planets previous to this one. I have been told that my current life will be my last life on Earth - I will move on to other worlds. If the personality of my next incarnation is anything like me, now, then I will miss this beautiful world.

[Ultima Thule]

I've experienced a nde - no light. Instead a great revelation: one must forget to think and feel that this game is "real". If I could remember what I felt then, there would be no point in anything really.

This is my point of view: I think that this reincarnation-is-a-trap -concept is a meme put out there (by accident or by purpose) to lure people to run in circles. I am not against discussing it, but am somewhat against it being accepted as a fact, as there seems to be missing a great deal of evidence to support the claim.

UT

[meeradas]

[...] absolute [...] blackness [...]

Now that's really interesting... what would light "be perceived as",
if there is nothing else, and you're merged with it?

[Sunny-side-up]

Hello all just came across an amazing music vid that seems very relevant to this OP.
Give it a listen I think you will enjoy and take words from it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lWnxxADdLY

The above vid came after watching this one as posted in this Avalon OP as posted by OmeyocaN777 thx
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102149-New-Secret-Space-Program-Whistleblower-META-comes-forward/page2

For what ever reason we find ourselves here, for what ever cause, good or bad, we are all in some lovely company :sun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Iiycfiq1Zs

LOVE

[Agape]

Guess no one should deny there’s a wisdom in the OP.

But give everything a deeper look please ...

being conscious of his ‘presence’ means something else for advanced human being than living in a moment, with awareness span that of butterfly.
Sure, many people and whole generations of them lived, survived or were made to live that way. Like animals do, living in a moment.
Yes you can start from that moment and expand your awareness to infinity and it’s completely valid and genuine way to go ..for our spiritual selves .

But then as a n’ths descendant of your oldest ancestor who remembers events dating back millions of years and retains memories of different times on this planet and beyond, worlds far beyond than what we see now,
you are also reborn in each of your children and friend whom you loved, you’re reborn in every new place you lived and you learn from your rebirths and wisdoms acquired .

Life in the Universe has long way to go ..through all its transformations , whether we call them important or a junk, it is alive as it constantly tries to grasp for new, better and bigger meaning .
For the next magnificent form, the new, sporty and smarter form . Yes let’s make use of the moment ..

but in fact we know already that the process of learning and knowing and dying and being born to Light hardly stops any soon.

Yes there were and are people who attest they’ve ‘got it all’ this time and some of them are more convincing than others and some existed in past and some in future but in fact it never proved yet that someone would get to know ‘practically everything’ by looking to the Divine effulgence of the moment or by any other method and 99% of wisdom mankind can practically use was acquired by learning process.

Of course that long learning curve has a ‘cap’ , that’s when heads bow down to the earth and take the path to dying in its current form and rising in new one from our ashes.
It always happens , somehow, mystically.

If it did not happen , we would not be sitting here now and typing to our prisms ..

believe me also when I say that neither of us will be present here indefinitely and yet, another you or another me will make a use of our shares.

Ideas never die ...


:Party:

[Catsquotl]

If it did not happen , we would not be sitting here now and typing to our prisms ..

believe me also when I say that neither of us will be present here indefinitely and yet, another you or another me will make a use of our shares.

Ideas never die ...


:Party:

I wonder what part of you remains..
If I remember correctly you have a Mahayana Buddhist background correct?

Would you like to share what you think it is that they teach about reincarnation?
The way you worded it above seems to resemble more like a lineage of ancestry.
What part of us remains when we dissolve into Nibanna

With Love
Eelco

[ghostrider]

What you do in this life matters... You laying out a future for yourself in lives to come... Your inner energy will remain the same but grow in knowledge and wisdom and power, yet each personality will be different, this guarantees progress... Through the new personality there are new ideas, cognitions, emotions, etc... We are making the universe more vast, diverse and more knowing ... One great energy with all the experiences of every person who ever lived, life seen through trillions of different viewpoints... Not knowing your past can be a good thing , you wont dwell on mistakes you can't change... We learn when we mess up, its about choices and the effects of those choices... Sometimes we get wrong sometimes we get it right, in the end its the experience of the journey... No one else can see or feel or experience life through your eyes, only you can bring valuable information back to creation...

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I also know that this is a free will choice universe. We develop discernment and follow the Inner Light and guidance of soul/Spirit within. Our soul is always in control--our Superconsciousness; not our egoic-mind separate sense of self.

That's always been my strong belief too. Our personality-self, through which we experience this reality, is just a projection - a small fragment - of our greater over-soul.

Picture yourself TODAY, at this very second at your computer, as the oversoul of yourself. Now picture yourself as you once WERE – as a five old at school, kindergarten. This is analogous to the GREATER YOU, looking down on the smaller you, which is here right now at your computer.

Now imagine that 5 year old self, all those years ago, as a small, growing fragment of the greater YOU. As you look down (back) on that small projection, you understand how necessary it is (was) for that little YOU to go through that schooling and to experience those lessons. Even if the 5 year old self is sad or suffering, he/she made you what you are today. The child may even think it's trapped, and was tricked into going to school and isn't in control of anything. But it is sovereign and it is in control - but there's another control-system at a higher level as well, that is ultimately working for its benefit (by signing it up for school). It cannot see this beneficent hand or understand it. It's only 5 after all.

The 5 year old is an aspect of you. It's real though, it existed – it exists right now, is going to school right now, aged 5, somewhere in the ALLness of multi-dimensional time. It may not want to go to kindergarten, but YOU know that it must in order to progress, learn, evolve. The 5 year old has little grasp of any higher reality, and may have some pretty wild ideas about what's what. But from your position in the NOW, looking back (down), the world of the 5 year is so easy to explain.

I don't imply that anyone here is 5 years old, this is just a comparison to what you are here, now, and what you are THERE – in Spirit. The greater YOU is so vastly greater than what our limited mind function can comprehend. This life may feel like a trap, but probably so did kindergarten to the 5 year old.

[Noelle]

I don't think the OP article or anyone posting in this thread considers the reincarnation trap as factual or an absolute truth. :) I've been reading the posts, and what a few others and myself have said: We don't know. On questions regarding the afterlife, in-between lives, future/past lives, I won't accept anything as factual.

Many of our current beliefs about the soul, afterlife, and reincarnation come from the New Age (NA) movement, which, as many have pointed out on and off Avalon, may be a psyop. This Omnisense thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93620-Bird-s-Eye-View-of-New-Age-Psychological-Operations-----The-New-Age-Deception) discusses the NA psyop.

As stated in my first post, there is some evidence -- not proof -- on the reincarnation trap: near death experience reports. Yes, it's subjective, but everything in this domain is subjective.

Because we've been tricked so many times, I will remain in "question everything" mode. I'm not telling anyone that they should question everything; it's just what I choose to do. :sun:

[Michelle Marie]

I also know that this is a free will choice universe. We develop discernment and follow the Inner Light and guidance of soul/Spirit within. Our soul is always in control--our Superconsciousness; not our egoic-mind separate sense of self.

That's always been my strong belief too. Our personality-self, through which we experience this reality, is just a projection - a small fragment - of our greater over-soul.

Picture yourself TODAY, at this very second at your computer, as the oversoul of yourself. Now picture yourself as you once WERE – as a five old at school, kindergarten. This is analogous to the GREATER YOU, looking down on the smaller you, which is here right now at your computer.

Now imagine that 5 year old self, all those years ago, as a small, growing fragment of the greater YOU. As you look down (back) on that small projection, you understand how necessary it is (was) for that little YOU to go through that schooling and to experience those lessons. Even if the 5 year old self is sad or suffering, he/she made you what you are today. The child may even think it's trapped, and was tricked into going to school and isn't in control of anything. But it is sovereign and it is in control - but there's another control-system at a higher level as well, that is ultimately working for its benefit (by signing it up for school). It cannot see this beneficent hand or understand it. It's only 5 after all.

The 5 year old is an aspect of you. It's real though, it existed – it exists right now, is going to school right now, aged 5, somewhere in the ALLness of multi-dimensional time. It may not want to go to kindergarten, but YOU know that it must in order to progress, learn, evolve. The 5 year old has little grasp of any higher reality, and may have some pretty wild ideas about what's what. But from your position in the NOW, looking back (down), the world of the 5 year is so easy to explain.

I don't imply that anyone here is 5 years old, this is just a comparison to what you are here, now, and what you are THERE – in Spirit. The greater YOU is so vastly greater than what our limited mind function can comprehend. This life may feel like a trap, but probably so did kindergarten to the 5 year old.

What a great analogy of the higher and deeper perspective!

I appreciate all lessons in life, even the hard ones. In fact, when I WAS 5, my father died. Then I started school. That experience lead to other experiences, some light and joyful, others heavy and challenging. I really feel stronger and wiser and feel that I have accumulated "treasures in Heaven". I am very grateful for Life and every experience I've ever had.

Whatever happens, I can appreciate the purpose of it and the soul power, or golden nugget of wisdom, it generates.

Blessings everyone!
MM :bearhug:

[O Donna]

Moments like incarnations have one thing in common, this moment.
May you live, laugh, love this moment like it's the very first time.
That's all that really matters in matter.

[Agape]

If it did not happen , we would not be sitting here now and typing to our prisms ..

believe me also when I say that neither of us will be present here indefinitely and yet, another you or another me will make a use of our shares.

Ideas never die ...


:Party:

I wonder what part of you remains..
If I remember correctly you have a Mahayana Buddhist background correct?

Would you like to share what you think it is that they teach about reincarnation?
The way you worded it above seems to resemble more like a lineage of ancestry.
What part of us remains when we dissolve into Nibanna

With Love
Eelco


Thank you for questions Eelco, difficult ones indeed.

My own perspective on what all may be considered reincarnation are kind of multi focal and versatile. My views come from observation , some study of course as well as deeper insights but I think that it is impossible to lay one single theory that would explain and address the whole phenomenon of what we consider ‘reincarnation’ and our memories of the past.

Even each ancient esoteric tradition seems to have different views or opinions on what or who is capable of reincarnation.

According to Vedas we are composed of 7 bodies of which the grossest visible tangible human body travels this human life and stands for proof to its existence.

Our more subtle bodies in the meantime are living from subtle food of energy, emotional and sensual charge, of information and of life purpose .

While all the weight of this world seems to fall on the resonance between nature and nurture
as higher beings we are equally incapable of survival empty of love, positivity and meaning .

Some people can see those higher and more subtle bodies , others can not while trapped in this human experience.

This human body is like a peel , it literally peels off to this density of matter rather continuously. When the potential for incarnation that is manifestation in this realm is exhausted we say the person died.

With dissolution of the grossest body some of the lower subtle bodies are consequently dissolved as well, sooner or later, the ‘ghost’ of the personality dies and detached itself from the long lasting entity that made him to be here at the first place.

Our ‘higher bodies’ are more less impersonal and perceived in selfless manner to the lower entity.

Our higher bodies appear to be the Selfless self when seen from bellow.
They may even appear as ‘another Self’ or ones own Guide or Deity.

While full manifestation of those higher Selves in this realm is a matter of practice attempting to integrate and ‘bring back to purpose’ all our ‘fallen matter’

they continue existing in its own dimension and realm at all times since they’re ‘almost’ immortal.


Buddha has completed his destiny and trajectory beyond where most of us can see really. Such an accomplishment is rare but there are those teachers or yogis of partial accomplishment who are equal in one principle and that is they dissolved most of their confusions and reasons to be born in the same era.

It /they don’t say they won’t be born ever again but simply, not till their teachings fulfill their meaning here at least.

Someone like Buddha exhausted all their meaning by body, speech and mind for perfecting one single incarnation converting it to Jewel.

Their wisdom is purified and becomes impeccable so there’s no need to repeat the same process.

Much like the OP of this thread, by putting all the effort to the life we have inherited we can make it fully meaningful. Buddha himself did not pay much attention to the phenomenon and of course he denied he will be reborn in this realm ..
till the next time.

Those teachers who are excellent always say ‘put all the effort’ to practice in this life as if it was your only one.
Mahayana and Theravada both claim that you can be trapped here for millions of life times and the mill will never exhausts itself as long as we fuel it by wanting to take a bit here n there.

Whether this is true for everybody, globally or for all human beings is difficult to say.

Whatever is natural phenomenon has many pathways to go, live or die.

There are ‘sudden enlightenments’ and ‘spiritual deaths’ and all kinds of transformations, elevations and declinations pertaining to subtle bodies and life itself.

So ‘establishing a doctrine’ that would work for every purpose is impossible in my opinion .

I see there are many options .



:pray:

[enigma3]

Re: no light. When a person meditates, duality is first seen. Eventually the meditation, with guidance, turns inward toward non duality. Should the meditative experience deepen, one is taken to oneness. In oneness all creation is present in unformed expression. Some call it hallucination. Light is present there. It is described as brighter than full daylight, an ineffable light that fills all space. Now if the meditator continues on this path, the realm of no light is experienced. So beyond oneness there is no light. Absolutely nothing. The place where oneness originates, or comes from. Bernadette Roberts (we lost her recently), a Christian contemplative, experienced this ultimate original state of nothingness. It freaked her out at first. However, she eloquently expresses it in her books. She had a great quote on the subject. She said everyone should experience what she experienced - just before dying! My oh my.

[Chris Gilbert]

Reincarnation and karma is something to be feared only if you are looking at it from a linear, sequential standpoint where liberation and enlightenment is a linear event you are striving for in the future. In the experiences I've had doing neikung over the past several years, I'm coming more so to the perception that linear time is an illusion, and from the standpoint of the soul, all lifetimes are occurring simultaneously. Past life memories you access that seem to have caused your current conditions may be less so karma in the sense it's traditionally thought of, and more so a resonance where similar lives are remembered for insight and learning. You don't always remember all of them at any given moment because it would be incredibly traumatic and disorienting for your physical brain to handle. It's better to visit and link to those other selves at the right moment as needed.

[Caliban]

I've experienced a nde - no light. Instead a great revelation: one must forget to think and feel that this game is "real". If I could remember what I felt then, there would be no point in anything really.

This is my point of view: I think that this reincarnation-is-a-trap -concept is a meme put out there (by accident or by purpose) to lure people to run in circles. I am not against discussing it, but am somewhat against it being accepted as a fact, as there seems to be missing a great deal of evidence to support the claim.

UT

Ultima Thule, very interesting experience you had -- and how fortunate to remember. I've had that insight from time to time as well --that nothing really matters, truly. That this is all a play, the good guys, the bad guys, the in between guys. Usually that comes after a bit of cannabis ;) but the residue remains.

What if reincarnation is both a trap (for some) and a learning and expanding tool (for others). And maybe we've all experienced it both ways? On the other hand, Nisargadatta usually said the whole reincarnation thing was illusion as well--even so far as saying "you didn't even incarnate in this body!!" Of course, he's got a pretty wide overview, ha-ha, on it all...

I'd venture to say, in this moment anyway, that incarnating and re-incarnating is ultimately benevolent. Maybe though, it's "time" for some of us to um, move on... take a very long break from it ?

[Leonard]

Well Said, basically sum-up all what I am going to say. You see, there are alien beings who get controlled by the archons. These alien beings have advance technologies which can sort of HACK the fifth dimension. They can't really change the fifth dimension, but they can create a being which looks like family member or savior. The being is then used to guide you to the light. The being will then show you your past life and make you want to repay your karma. Then deceive you to use the Anunnaki's recycle bin to recycle your soul. Then... TA! TA!, YOU ARE BORN AGAIN!! As a baby to learn all these craps in this madness world. Then generate negative emotions to feed those archons.

Yea, like you, I will never choose to reincarnate again. This will be my last, and I will try to bring as many souls with me as possible, to enjoy this everlasting peace with no limitation.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

The Universe is not designed so poorly as this.

For one, there's no possible way you have more awareness down here than you do up there in your native spiritual form. If down here you're aware that reincarnation is an insidious trap, then there's no way you're unaware of it up there! Therefore, it this was a trap, you'd bloody well know it was a trap up there, before you incarnated into this life. So why did you fall for it? You didn't, because it wasn't a trap, it was a choice to come here. It was also a need.

Yes, this reality is a kind of illusion, and yes, this is a kind of trap, but not in a subversive sense. Humanity is an experiment, and Earth is its Petri-dish. The special sauce that makes it all so unique is Free Will. That's the ticket here. We all chose to incarnate on Earth because of the richness of experience to be gained here. The only trap, is Karma. That's what keeps us coming back. That's the only trap involved. So ask yourself, what brought me back this time? What karma do I have that I need to break free of so I need not come back again?

[Wind]

So ask yourself, what brought me back this time? What karma do I have that I need to break free of so I need not come back again?

That requires that people will have to responsibility for their own lives! Isn't it just so much easier to blame others and the whole universe for the suffering we get to experience?

[Hervé]

Is this what awaits one at the end of the tunnel and the bright shining light:

From Infowars via Jim Stone (http://82.221.129.208/.zb5.html):

Beyond creepy: Samsung offers to wipe your memory so you can watch TV programs again, for the "first time". (http://82.221.129.208/.zb5.html)

From Infowars (https://www.infowars.com/mind-control-samsung-site-wipes-your-memory-so-you-can-re-watch-tv-shows/)

NOTE: I have checked this and it is a legit report. Infowars does not link to the Samsung site, I put the links in this report so you can see it is for real. I suggest not messing with this though.

MIND CONTROL: SAMSUNG SITE WIPES YOUR MEMORY SO YOU CAN RE-WATCH TV SHOWS

'Unspoil me' uses hypnosis to erase memories of show, allowing you to watch [as if] for the first time

Samsung has launched a website (http://www.samsung.com/se/unspoilme/eng/) promising to wipe your favorite TV series from your memory so you can watch it again seemingly for the first time. The creepy concept, known as Unspoil me, was apparently launched in January and is available through the company's Swedish site.

The technique was developed by certified hypnotists Ulf Sandström and Frederik Praesto, who narrates the video.

The 23-minute procedure is a guided hypnosis which tells you to focus on the show you want to erase from your memory, as it shows a hypnotic pattern and walks you through a series of instructions.

The process is billed as a way to experience all of your favorite shows for the first time using Samsung’s QLED TV.


http://www.jimstone.is/pages/unspoilme.jpg
http://www.samsung.com/se/unspoilme/eng/


"With the Samsung QLED TV we want to offer you an amazing binge-watching experience; with a wide range of content and remarkable picture quality," the website states.

"There's really only one thing that could ruin your experience - that you already know how everything ends. That is why we created Unspoil me; a tool that gives you the possibility to forget your favorite TV series, so you can re-experience it with the same thrilling feeling you had the first time you watched it."

Victims - ahem - participants, who are required to be over 18-years-old, are advised to watch the entire video "without interruption in order to work." They also recommend a quiet place and headphones, suggesting the operation may also incorporate binaural frequencies.

Unspoil me promises to erase only memories of the TV series, movie or video you choose, and claims you can do it as many times as you want for various shows.

"You won't forget anything you don't want to," the site explains.

A consent policy users are asked to review warns "the experience (self hypnosis) could have real effects and I am prepared to forget the whole, or parts of my favorite TV series."

It also tells users not to use Unspoil me other than "for its intended purpose."

If you attempt to disengage from the hypnotic trance, a message prompts you to try again: "You are only minutes away from the opportunity to experience your favorite TV series as if it was the first time. Take a deep breath and try again."

The site explains hypnosis is a "natural state," and is completely safe. People who suffer from epilepsy or mental illness, however, are advised not to undergo the process.

The brainwashing method has similarities to how trauma and PTSD sufferers may work to erase "bad memories," as explained by website Vigilant Citizen.

The eerie nature of the project, akin to a Black Mirror episode, raises questions as to whether the corporate giant has something more sinister behind its efforts to literally control customers' minds.


My [Jim's] comment:
If this actually works, Samsung has released to the public something that will work to wreck anyone if taken by dark groups and misused, all for the proclaimed "fun" of watching TV all over again. HOW CUTE!

=====================================================

I can see the promo at one's favorite abduction station/bunker/space craft:

Replay any of your past lives as if it never happen and be enchanted, marveled and surprised all anew !

[avid]

Good grief! Boredom inveigled me into watching some ghastly thing on tv, drank a few glasses from a bottle of scrumptious cabernet sauvignon during the process, went to bobies, got up and the memory of that ghastly programme was annihilated. Warning, this is not a prescription, just an explanation of ‘memory loss’ at an appropriate instance. Don’t ‘invest’ in memory annihilation technology, there’s a cheaper alternative, cheers ....., and don’t be tempted by brain-death tv rubbish, just remember who you are, in control of the remote :muscle:

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Is this what awaits one at the end of the tunnel and the bright shining light:

From Infowars via Jim Stone (http://82.221.129.208/.zb5.html):

Beyond creepy: Samsung offers to wipe your memory so you can watch TV programs again, for the "first time". (http://82.221.129.208/.zb5.html)

Holy cow, what ever next. Although the idea of watching Lost all over again, as if from scratch, would have me excitedly scrambling for my DVDs, hypnosis is not something to take lightly, or mess with for superficial reasons like erasing a TV show from memory. I wouldn't consider it for any reasons to be honest, not without a qualified practitioner in the room. Madness.

[O Donna]

Reincarnation is a tricky fellow. I have no doubt there are people that have experienced things that have reinforced their belief in it and maybe everyone will experience such a thing at some point but does an experience make it anymore real?

What is it that falls asleep and then has an awakening? Surely not the spirit.

[Catsquotl]

What is it that falls asleep and then has an awakening? Surely not the spirit.

That right there I feel is a key for unlocking the mystery.
Sleep is sometimes referred to as a poor man's nibbana. Because it is supposedly a taste of the real thing..

With Love
Eelco

[O Donna]

Sleep is sometimes referred to as a poor man's nibbana. Because it is supposedly a taste of the real thing..

With Love
Eelco

Physical sleep certainly has that 'feel' to it and the use of "poor man's nibbana" is a great analogy.

In can be argued that the human mind typically functions as a poor man's master. Who better to take one to a poor man's nibbana?

[Noelle]

The Universe is not designed so poorly as this.

For one, there's no possible way you have more awareness down here than you do up there in your native spiritual form. If down here you're aware that reincarnation is an insidious trap, then there's no way you're unaware of it up there! Therefore, it this was a trap, you'd bloody well know it was a trap up there, before you incarnated into this life. So why did you fall for it? You didn't, because it wasn't a trap, it was a choice to come here. It was also a need.

Yes, this reality is a kind of illusion, and yes, this is a kind of trap, but not in a subversive sense. Humanity is an experiment, and Earth is its Petri-dish. The special sauce that makes it all so unique is Free Will. That's the ticket here. We all chose to incarnate on Earth because of the richness of experience to be gained here. The only trap, is Karma. That's what keeps us coming back. That's the only trap involved. So ask yourself, what brought me back this time? What karma do I have that I need to break free of so I need not come back again?

It could that many of us reincarnated into this reality knowing it is a trap. Why would a soul do that? To help others escape the trap or destroy the trap. I know I would enter a situation that I knew was a trap or could endanger my life to save another. ;)

[Wind]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhisattva_vow

[greybeard]

Im smiling a little.
Reincarnation has some bad press but lets face it we are all here--is it really so bad for us?
Personally my life has had its fair share of ups and downs as had most people--the contrast of the upps and downs--th drama--just like any good movie--I cant say it has been anything like boring.

I would rather not repeat it --but not even today is a repeat of yesterday.
Some times I would happily repeat.
Whats fuss about what happens to little me--find out what you are--no fear there.
Thats called Self realization.
The clue is in the word real---I --zation.
The truth is there just needs to be seen by a change of perception.

C


In Truth you are not born and do not die---The Self is eternal and unaffected by what seems to happen to the person.

[Agape]

“Poor men’s nibbana” makes me chuckle. Do not drunkards call their wine and beer right that?

Should I add that deep thinkers and people generally prone to deep meditation states are also people prone to deep depression and that’s where from Nibbana becomes the only solution ?

Just teasing. Truly, finding happiness in this life is important . When you’re happy you don’t sink to endless philosophical ponderings, usually.

Be happy. That’s a Fools way to the same place ..make others happy and nibbana becomes much greater place..


Sometimes I feel or fear that we are the last few generations who were given access to some of the original resources, people who carried ancient teaching traditions ..

I’ve witnessed during this one short little life time how the same, ancient world is disappearing right in front of our eyes

swollpwed by the cars and fumes of this civilization, secular, technical yet low cultured wave of civilization spread all over the planet invading and destroying cultures and way of those cultures and the very possibility of pure spiritual insight and inner evolution is being vastly overshadowed and replaced by technical enigma.


We as humanity will always survive .

But sure we are bound to be more vulnerable if more advanced, more dependent on each other and the system rather than developing mature individuality ,
we are being suppressed to state of spiritual childhood

because mature and spiritual people
would establish peace on Earth

we are not wanted

we may be tolerated at the best

Why aren’t we stronger anyway.


Why are we getting endangered. Why is destruction and ignorance taking over people’s natural instincts and logic.

The way is long and slippery...



:Party:

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

It could that many of us reincarnated into this reality knowing it is a trap. Why would a soul do that? To help others escape the trap or destroy the trap. I know I would enter a situation that I knew was a trap or could endanger my life to save another. ;)

Good answer, and I believe there's a lot of truth in it – in respect to karma, which is cause and effect in action. If you (cause) bounce a ball on the ground, then gravity (effect) prevents it escaping into space and pulls it back to earth. Karma is much the same, and just pulls us back to earth every time. And karma isn't always something bad, it's often those aspects of ourselves that need further refinement. And not only our own karma brings us back, but sometimes - I definitely agree - we will come back to help a loved one work through theirs.

In Spirit, our eternal soul-selves operate on a far higher level of awareness than we do down here when expressed through a 3-dimensional brain. There are of course layers of awareness higher than our own frequency that we don't understand yet, as we haven't achieved that level, and there are many realities beyond our perception. But there can be no deception in a purely mental/telepathic realm like that, and no lies. If this world was a trap, and sending us here was against our will, then every soul would see that ulterior motive and have forewarning.

Before we come into this life, we know exactly why we're incarnating, and what we want to achieve in our lives. Everything in our lives to be is meticulously arranged and woven together like a tapestry (our time of birth and place, our life path, vocations and interests, our families, friends, and eventual soul mate if we're meant to find them – every aspect, every detail, every meeting, awakening, every test and challenge...and our deaths). Everything is arranged by the masters, and planned and agreed to by us, for our evolution. I've never seen anything in any NDE report, or between-lives hypnosis session etc, that contradicts any of that. I think every single account I've seen supports it.

In my view it all comes down to karma. That's why we bounce back time and again (like that ball). If we want to escape the earth's pull, we have to be light enough in our souls to do so. There's also the greater planetary karma, which we all collectively own a small part of. Humanity near destroyed this planet in the distant past - Atlantis for one - in the pursuit of greed and Power. History repeats, often with the same players (in different incarnations) involved. This planet can only be saved by doing so together. The ultimate lesson for us is to learn the correct use of Energy, and to reforge our broken inner connection to God and the All-that-Is.



Thats called Self realization.
The clue is in the word real---I --zation.


That's right on, and good to see you Greybeard.
You could also say that coming here is all about atonement.
Or At---one---ment. :idea:

[Catsquotl]

“Poor men’s nibbana” makes me chuckle. Do not drunkards call their wine and beer right that?


Maybe I should have expanded on what I meant by it.
I see the process of consciousness arising and passing away resembled in the ego disappearing when it falls asleep and restructuring itself on waking up when the brain fires up it's neural pathways which holds the memories it uses to construe another ego which thinks it has somehow continued through sleep.

With Love
Eelco

[Foxie Loxie]

Say what???! :crazy: Whatever! I AM THAT I AM.....that's what I go by at this point in time! :ROFL:

[greybeard]

Say what???! :crazy: Whatever! I AM THAT I AM.....that's what I go by at this point in time! :ROFL:

Yes Foxie---most people unfortunately don't get that.
The ego distracts with thoughts on the enemy out there.

Search ye first the kingdom of god and all things will be added unto you----- The kingdom of god is within.
Be still and know that I am god

Hence the standard advice from mystics--meditate discover the self within--in other words be still be quiet.

Ch

[Ultima Thule]

Well Said, basically sum-up all what I am going to say. You see, there are alien beings who get controlled by the archons. These alien beings have advance technologies which can sort of HACK the fifth dimension. They can't really change the fifth dimension, but they can create a being which looks like family member or savior. The being is then used to guide you to the light. The being will then show you your past life and make you want to repay your karma. Then deceive you to use the Anunnaki's recycle bin to recycle your soul. Then... TA! TA!, YOU ARE BORN AGAIN!! As a baby to learn all these craps in this madness world. Then generate negative emotions to feed those archons.

Yea, like you, I will never choose to reincarnate again. This will be my last, and I will try to bring as many souls with me as possible, to enjoy this everlasting peace with no limitation.

Even though reincarnation in itself is obscure concept to study - still some evidence has been put forward to support it.

What you are suggesting is quite an elaborate construct that you possess certain knowledge of (at least this is how I read your post). How did you come by this information that you presented and what makes you certain that things are the way you laid them out?

UT

[Catsquotl]

Say what???! :crazy: Whatever! I AM THAT I AM.....that's what I go by at this point in time! :ROFL:

Yes Foxie---most people unfortunately don't get that.
The ego distracts with thoughts on the enemy out there.

Search ye first the kingdom of god and all things will be added unto you----- The kingdom of god is within.
Be still and know that I am god

Hence the standard advice from mystics--meditate discover the self within--in other words be still be quiet.

Ch

Meditated for ages.
Have a 10 day vipassana retreat coming up in April. That said in the center of the quiet. There is nothing I can point to as Self.
Only the endless rise and fall of Life showing itself, becoming conscious again and again from moment to moment.

Nothing to hold on to. Nothing that persists. Nothing that is free from anicca, dukkha and anatta.
Only empty potential remains...

With Love
Eelco

[greybeard]

Say what???! :crazy: Whatever! I AM THAT I AM.....that's what I go by at this point in time! :ROFL:

Yes Foxie---most people unfortunately don't get that.
The ego distracts with thoughts on the enemy out there.

Search ye first the kingdom of god and all things will be added unto you----- The kingdom of god is within.
Be still and know that I am god

Hence the standard advice from mystics--meditate discover the self within--in other words be still be quiet.

Ch

Meditated for ages.
Have a 10 day vipassana retreat coming up in April. That said in the center of the quiet. There is nothing I can point to as Self.
Only the endless rise and fall of Life showing itself, becoming conscious again and again from moment to moment.

Nothing to hold on to. Nothing that persists. Nothing that is free from anicca, dukkha and anatta.
Only empty potential remains...

With Love
Eelco

THats it Eeico ---Self in the context of non-duality is not personal--it is as you describe--only "this" life
There is no person left, awareness remains, but not my awareness.
Self needs no outside confirmation that it exists--no labels, nothing, just Self aware.
None of this makes sense to the rational mind which says there must be subject and object--that requires time, there is no time in eternity.

Love Chris

[Foxie Loxie]

Catsquotl....let us know how the retreat goes!! :sun:

[James Newell]

Its not so much remembering your past lives, but confronting the present, the past and the future. It is hard to do alone without hard technical guidelines.

[Rich]

I would rather not repeat it --but not even today is a repeat of yesterday.
Some times I would happily repeat.

That really got me thinking, if we think the past is real we have to repeat but if not then no.

[Rich]

to quote ACIM:

As you look upon yourself and judge what you do honestly, you may be
tempted to wonder how you can be guiltless. Yet consider this: You are not
guiltless in time, but in eternity. You have "sinned" in the past, but there is
no past. Always has no direction. Time seems to go in one direction, but
when you reach its end it will roll up like a long carpet spread along the past
behind you, and will disappear.

[greybeard]

As Iam fond of saying
Its all levels--or different vibration = form-formless--mater-consciousness
Within the play all things are possible and time dependent.

Ancient Sanscrit text says
"God wrote the play
God directed the play
God is the actor in the play
God is the witness of the play"
also
" Acts happen
Deeds are done
There is no doer thereof"

So whatever is appropriate at what ever level you find your self at is just fine.
No level in the dream superior to another.
No awakened level superior--all is One.

c

[Wind]

This seemingly physical "reality" is best seen as a game of sorts. There are rules in every game... Once you know them, you can become a better player. One day the game is no longer needed and it can be transcended completely. For what purpose do games exist? For fun and creativity of course, it's a way of Self-expression. That's why we love movies and theater plays too, they contain lots of drama, thrill and laughters!

[Scottoz]

Thanks for posting the article, I enjoyed reading it. The author has some valid points, I think we are in a very vulnerable position when we pass on from this world where we don’t have enough time to form a strong link with our higher self before getting forced into a tunnel of light.

We then get forced into accepting another life with a physical body, based on guilt, regrets and BS spiritual lessons, by the so called angels of the light. Due to free will, I think we have to willingly accept and agree to this.

After giving it some thought, I am probably in the camp of not going towards the light, kind of sounds like a giant bug zapper for the soul, surrounded by false shiny angelic beings to make it seem authentic and attractive.

Any ideas on what happens if we try to get away from the light, hopefully I won’t have to put all this to the test any time soon.

[dynamo]

....Any ideas on what happens if we try to get away from the light, hopefully I won’t have to put all this to the test any time soon.
Hopefully none of us will have to put this to the test anytime soon (if we wish).
What I believe is that if you choose to not reincarnate, you will see the wonder of the universe from a 5-dimension (or more likely higher dimension) perspective.
What is that like?
Well I can only guess, of course, but I believe it will be incredible.
If OBEs and lucid dreaming are any indication or offer any clues, then in a way, I can not wait.
But I have much to finish on this plane first.

[Foxie Loxie]

"...a giant bugzapper for the soul"! You had me laughing with that one, Scottoz!! :ROFL:

[Leonard]

Well Said, basically sum-up all what I am going to say. You see, there are alien beings who get controlled by the archons. These alien beings have advance technologies which can sort of HACK the fifth dimension. They can't really change the fifth dimension, but they can create a being which looks like family member or savior. The being is then used to guide you to the light. The being will then show you your past life and make you want to repay your karma. Then deceive you to use the Anunnaki's recycle bin to recycle your soul. Then... TA! TA!, YOU ARE BORN AGAIN!! As a baby to learn all these craps in this madness world. Then generate negative emotions to feed those archons.

Yea, like you, I will never choose to reincarnate again. This will be my last, and I will try to bring as many souls with me as possible, to enjoy this everlasting peace with no limitation.

Even though reincarnation in itself is obscure concept to study - still some evidence has been put forward to support it.

What you are suggesting is quite an elaborate construct that you possess certain knowledge of (at least this is how I read your post). How did you come by this information that you presented and what makes you certain that things are the way you laid them out?

UT

Hello Ultima Thule~~
Sorry,I forgot where I got the sources. But I remember I got it from many readings and youtube videos. But yea, after reading many of the comments, I started to question it. Since we are fully aware of what is going on when we are up there, how come we can get deceived and got reincarnated again? Is it because they used Karma to fool us? Karma is really just an illusion if you really think about it, as we just come to earth to experience life. And life is just a drama like Shakespeare said. Our bodies are just vehicles and we left unscratched. We could always stay up there and enlighten other souls which just arrived:happythumbsup:

[Alanantic]

I'm thinking...maybe we're simply ventriloquists. The mortal character is the puppet and the Soul has a hand up our butt! But as in a good Twilight Zone episode, the Soul forget which is which. Probably easy to do since everybody seems to talk to each others puppets and not our souls. WE(the mortal part) seem to be quite awake! Could be the Soul is asleep. The soul creates this schizophrenia for a reason, I'm assuming. Like most puppets, they say and do things the soul can't. Maybe as puppets, we should strive to develop a relationship with this soul, get rid of the pretension!

[Joe Akulis]

From the things I've learned by studying NDE's, it seems to me like the important thing to take with you is the understanding that you are in control of the experience. But that's hard to do if you don't understand the landscape.

I once read a thread on an NDE forum where a person posted his experience with two NDE's he'd had. He was afraid that he didn't deserve to go to heaven. A lot of religious teachers seem to prefer dwelling on all the things you should feel guilty for, and it can have this effect.

So the instant that thought crossed his mind, that he wasn't worthy, the tunnel closed and he then found himself alone in the "void". A lot of people struggle with the void because you pretty much face what you bring with you. There's some informative stories from astral rescuers out there who talk about helping with people who get stuck in situations like that. They imagine the person coming to help them is (name your favorite scary mythological creature) and they take off in total panic.

Best advice? Put on your discernment cap, and soak up as much NDE stories, as much hypnotic regression books, and as much as you can find from people who can astral travel. After a while the picture takes better shape, and you get a little more comfortable about what this next layer of consciousness is all about. People have been mapping the territory for the past century. Helen Wombach has a great book from the 1960's where she just wanted to be able to scientifically assess whether this past lives business was for real. It's a terrific read.

Edgar Cayce talked a little about the layers he had to pass through on his way to the Akashic library whenever he did his readings for people, and the void was one of the early ones.

Think of the "afterlife" as a non-physical rainbow. On the dark bottom of it, you have the near-earth layer where you can run into ghosts of people who don't want to leave, for many different reasons. After that, the void. That's just emptiness, or maybe more accurately, total lack of sensory experience. Your own mind is often what can bog you down if you hang out there. After that you get a little higher into the dream territories where your spirit will hang out when it's enjoying some out of body time while your body is asleep. This area is pretty chaotic. Then you get into the belief system territories. The lowest of those are the hells, and as you go a little higher, you get into the heavens. Then above that are even lighter regions where it's more peaceful, less constrained by beliefs, and there's more freedom to take a breath and think about what you want to do next.

At any stop along the way, all you have to do is ask for help and your guardians will be right there. They're always there, we just choose to avoid their help, many times simply because we didn't know it was available. My opinion is, if I ask to go to someplace safe, but I don't know how to get there, and a tunnel of light pops up, I'm jumping in. After I've been there a few times using that method of travel, then I'll know how to get there on my own and I'll do the travelling at the speed of thought after that.

Sorry. I think I might be rambling now... It's my favorite subject!
Joe

[greybeard]

Catholic Pope Francis made a startling revelation Thursday by stating that hell did not exist, in an interview with a leading liberal Italian newspaper.

In an article entitled "It is an honor to be called a revolutionary," La Repubblica editor Eugenio Scalfari acknowledged the pontiff's previous remarks about how "good souls" who sought repentance from God would receive it and then asked: "What about the bad souls?". Seemingly going against centuries of core Christian belief, Pope Francis said the souls of sinners simply vanished after death, and were not subject to an eternity of punishment.


https://uk.news.yahoo.com/does-hell-exist-pope-francis-155354139.html

Now thats a big step forward.

I was writing about NDE when that disappeared.
So I spent a lot of time watching NDE videos

Dr Eben Alexander and Anita Moorjani outstanding examples both eventually concluded that there is only Self.
That which meets you on death of the body is your Self

Ch

[Foxie Loxie]

Whew! Glad the Pope cleared THAT one up! :ROFL: Alanantic....I know my "soul" was asleep for 70 years! :Angel:

[Leonard]

Catholic Pope Francis made a startling revelation Thursday by stating that hell did not exist, in an interview with a leading liberal Italian newspaper.

In an article entitled "It is an honor to be called a revolutionary," La Repubblica editor Eugenio Scalfari acknowledged the pontiff's previous remarks about how "good souls" who sought repentance from God would receive it and then asked: "What about the bad souls?". Seemingly going against centuries of core Christian belief, Pope Francis said the souls of sinners simply vanished after death, and were not subject to an eternity of punishment.

Dr Eben Alexander and Anita Moorjani outstanding examples both eventually concluded that there is only Self.
That which meets you on death of the body is your Self

Ch

Yes greybeard~~ What Catholic Pope Francis said make sense, as we are all powerful and can make choices by ourselves. Here is a video from Ryan Cropper who is really good in Astral Projections.
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He mentioned "Hell" is just a fabrication of our unconscious mind, it's how we judged ourselves and created this place where we think we should go and be punished. Hence, will go there afterlife, until we figured out it is all just BS and start ascending again.
About "Pope Francis said the souls of sinners simply vanished after death", I am not really sure what he means by vanished. Probably you can enlighten me :Angel:

[Alanantic]

Whew! Glad the Pope cleared THAT one up! :ROFL: Alanantic....I know my "soul" was asleep for 70 years! :Angel:

Hi, Foxie,
I think I've been talking to mine thru the I Ching for about 40 years. It's still a love/hate relationship...

[greybeard]

Assuming reincarnation to be a fact---No doubt you will have a different body and a different personality to suit the era.
If male now you might be born female.
If black you might be born white.
Therefore "you" are not reborn.

The only way to be reborn is to die to yourself that is the death of the ego--persona = Realization of the Eternal Self

Chris

[Omni]

Say no to reincarnation? I like being alive personally. What could I expect from in5D.........

[DNA]

Any ideas on what happens if we try to get away from the light, hopefully I won’t have to put all this to the test any time soon.

I'm a firm believer in "trusting" the system.
I absolutely believe we all came here knowing full good and well what we were getting into. I will go into the light upon death and I recommend everyone does as well. But if you do not I'm convinced that most folks will eventually find their way. :)

As a soul enshrined in flesh you also possess certain energetic bodies that are not immortal and will die when the flesh dies.
The astral body is one of those energetic bodies.
The astral body's main job is to act as a kite that stays attached to the soul enshrined in flesh while you sleep.
This astral body takes energy from the void as it travels in your sleep and transfers it to your being in much the same way as Ben Franklin's kite experiment with lightning transferred electricity to the key on his string attached to the kite.

When you die you no longer have a physical body absorbing chi/qi through food, and you no longer have an astral body absorbing energy from the void, instead you are a soul left with no means of gaining sustenance.
You then become a sort of parasitic being relegated to stealing the energy needed for consciousness from the living.

[Hazelfern]

Reincarnation is I feel the most widely misunderstood teaching in the world.
It has gotten mingled with all sorts of new and old-age assumptions.

In Buddhism for instance there is an ongoing debate of what it is that reincarnates and receives Karma. If we can even call it receiving.
The Older religions are still on the fence about the existence of a permanent self, or an eternal void which plays with itself. Not necessarily as an ultimate all knowing consciousness.

In some traditions it is believed that all that incarnates is your dying-breath desire..
I've heard some masters say that all that is reborn is our bad habits..
In that sense You can be the cause of a next rebirth, But only to the extent that that rebirth was desired. It does not necessarily assume it is You(whatever that may be) who is in that new birth any more substantial than an idea..

From this p.o.v the memories of "past" lives may well be the memory of someone else who desired what caused your birth. This does not mean You are in anyway involved in the birthing process other than as a recipient of the gift of life based on someone else's desire..

With Love
Eelco

So then, if someone calls you into existence, are they somehow responsible for you? Your upkeep as a human and all that is needed to live?

[greybeard]

A devotee said to his Master " What happens when I die"
The Master said "I dont know"
Student said " But your a Master"
Master responded "Yes , but Im not a dead one"
The only definite way of avoiding reincarnation, whatever that is. ---is enlightenment.
On Enlightenment there is no person to claim enlightenment or to reincarnate.

Seems there are different levels and your concept of life after death is important.
As said I have read that your death bed thoughts are important as they take you to the heaven of your belief system.
Believe in non-duality and the Truth of One without another may well be revealed.

These are just my thoughts on this--not claiming to be correct

Chris

[MorningFox]

I like that everyone assumes we'll reincarnate, because that's comforting. Maybe your individual awareness will get consumed by infinity if you die an average death. Maybe this is the only chance you as an individual gets. Maybe 'past life' memories and experiences are just genetic memories. Maybe this is it. Maybe not, but I think it's very healthy not to assume you're an immortal with all the time in the world. Make this life count. Make today count. It might literally be your last. Scary? Good. Act now. Death is the best advisor.

[James Newell]

From my viewpoint and knowledge reincarnation is a poor word to explain a simplicity.
Life is an animator, it is not necessarily native to this universe in its pure form. But we are one of many creators of this universe.
Going from one life to another is like driving a Ford, you are not a ford you are the driver. Then you drive a Toyota for awhile, you are not that car either. There are many forms that we take throughout time. But we are not the form. We are the driver.

It is quite interesting to view these different forms we have had because we often have mistaken our true selves as these forms.
Any questions?

[Hazelfern]

Catholic Pope Francis made a startling revelation Thursday by stating that hell did not exist, in an interview with a leading liberal Italian newspaper.

Seemingly going against centuries of core Christian belief, Pope Francis said the souls of sinners simply vanished after death, and were not subject to an eternity of punishment.



The first words from Frank that makes perfect sense. If a soul can not be rehabilitated, it will be dissolved.

[DNA]

I like that everyone assumes we'll reincarnate, because that's comforting. Maybe your individual awareness will get consumed by infinity if you die an average death. Maybe this is the only chance you as an individual gets. Maybe 'past life' memories and experiences are just genetic memories. Maybe this is it. Maybe not, but I think it's very healthy not to assume you're an immortal with all the time in the world. Make this life count. Make today count. It might literally be your last. Scary? Good. Act now. Death is the best advisor.

You know MorningFox, if you and I were to sit down over a cup of coffee I'm pretty sure we would get along.
Your language is very Castaneda, he of Don Juan and Don Genaro's knowledge in ancient Toltec wisdom.
I personally believe there is truth in the Castaneda books and I've found certain clues that lead me to believe their knowledge is Atlantean in origin.
As such I have no problem with this phrase.

Maybe your individual awareness will get consumed by infinity if you die an average death. Maybe this is the only chance you as an individual gets This is of course a nod towards Castaneda's "Eagle", the creator of us all. The Eagle who "consumes" our awareness upon death.
This is of course in the same line of thinking as the Gnostics who believe in the blind idiot godling "Yaldaboath".
Yaldaboath being the source of our Universe and he who eats our spark upon our death.
I'm a huge fan of both of these philosophies, and I have no problem with either one of them being true.
The tunnel of light we enter upon death may very well be leading us to the mouth of the "Eagle" or "Yaldaboath".
I have no problem with that. We have energy bodies that are not our soul, energy bodies that record our lifetime and incorporate themselves with our physical body and our existance.
But if this is the case, it is my opinion that life goes on upon exiting the "Eagle" or "Yaldaboath".
It has been my experience that those on the "otherside" are in a completely different dimension, one that is not associated with the "Eagle" or "Yaldaboath".
It is my opinion that if we are indeed "consumed" by the "Eagle" then we enter another dimension upon exiting it's asshole. :)

[greybeard]

Catholic Pope Francis made a startling revelation Thursday by stating that hell did not exist, in an interview with a leading liberal Italian newspaper.

Seemingly going against centuries of core Christian belief, Pope Francis said the souls of sinners simply vanished after death, and were not subject to an eternity of punishment.



The first words from Frank that makes perfect sense. If a soul can not be rehabilitated, it will be dissolved.

Yes but!
There is not one separate soul---there is One soul.
Seemingly Individual persona eminating from consciousness.
The One became the many without diminishing it Self.

Chris

[greybeard]

There never was a Chris before and there will never be another Chris.
What this is continues regardless--unchanged.
All the rest is interesting concepts and stories.
Valid in there own way but not ultimate Truth.
There is nothing to fear but fear itself.

C

[The Moss Trooper]

I apologise in advance as there is a bit of personal waffle to this post but feel it is needed to put my question in context. I'm not religious, per se, but do believe that there is something after death, a place that the essence that is 'us' returns to.


I died once, about 16 years ago, and there was nothing. No tunnel of light, no sense of there being an 'other', no past loved-ones waiting for me, there was consciousness and then un-conciousness. If it wasn't for my partner, who revived me after 5 - 10 mins, that would've been that. Finito.

Now, I must admit, I was using (abusing) very powerful drugs at that stage of my life, the type that will kill you eventually, so I'd formed the conclusion that because I was, a. doing something 'bad', and, b. the architect of my own demise, then there was nothing for this soul after death....... I was, essentially a 'bad' person for abusing drugs and the pain and heartache that I caused to those all around me. A few years later I started to watch Youtube videos of people who had recall of NDE's, both positive (heaven, meeting Jesus, etc) and negative (glimpses of hell, meeting the devil, etc) and must admit that some of them seemed absolutely sincere of their recollections and really believed that what they had experienced, really happened, and to such an extent that some of these people completely turned their lives around. A couple of these people had been heavy drug users and over-dosed, just like me, and were very emotional recalling their experiences, even though some of them had happened many years in the past. This re-enforced my belief that I was a 'bad' person for the pain I had caused. My drug use was an attempt at self-medication to block-out a traumatic experience from youth, although I did not understand this at the time.

This was my stance until 11 years ago when I had a very traumatic skiing accident. I went off the side of a mountain, had a massive fall fracturing my neck, breaking ribs and collar bone. I knew I was in trouble, I couldn't move and was in horrendous pain, after a while shock and the cold kicked in and I began shaking uncontrollably, maybe lasting 30 minutes or so, and that's when it became really strange. I became really warm and comfortable (I knew this was the beginning of hypothermia) and sleepy, I remember thinking, "if I just go to sleep until someone comes", but was aware I had to fight it. I had this little battle for a while and then my Grandmother appeared, urging me to think of my children, that I must stay awake, but the more I could 'see' her, the more I wanted to sleep......... It was really quite something. I must've passed-out at some stage because the next conscious memory was of a Norwegian guy who'd seen my red hood (how he saw this from the ski trail some 30 mtrs above still amazes me to this day) shaking and slapping me back to consciousness. I was then air-lifted off the mountain to hospital.

So, as you can see, I've had two very different experiences of near-death. My position now is that there is something there, there is an 'other' after death. I am aware that what happened to me during my skiing accident could've been my brain playing tricks on me, and most likely was, but when I read accounts of NDE's, the world's religious text's ( at their core, pushing the dogma aside) talking of a loving 'source' and the real-world power of having a loving heart, well, this is what I choose to believe.

Are there others here, on the boards, that have had any real, tangible, experience of near-death that could express their views? For reasons I will not go into now, I've begin to struggle again with this question.

Many thanks.

[DNA]

I became really warm and comfortable (I knew this was the beginning of hypothermia) and sleepy, I remember thinking, "if I just go to sleep until someone comes", but was aware I had to fight it. I had this little battle for a while and then my Grandmother appeared, urging me to think of my children, that I must stay awake, but the more I could 'see' her, the more I wanted to sleep......... It was really quite something. I must've passed-out at some stage because the next conscious memory was of a Norwegian guy who'd seen my red hood (how he saw this from the ski trail some 30 mtrs above still amazes me to this day) shaking and slapping me back to consciousness. I was then air-lifted off the mountain to hospital.

This is an absolutely cool story Crimson. Thank you. :)

I would like to share a NDE story. I'm of the opinion that this one is unique to most stories.
This story has a certain "holy sh!t" factor to it.
The NDE of Pam Reynolds. Pam was diagnosed with a aneurysm, one so bad it was considered to be terminal, it was far inside of her brain.
It was really big. Pam was told to put her things in order. But then something unexpected happened, she was told a surgeon in Phoenix Arizona at the Barrrow Neurological center had a procedure and she was the perfect candidate. The procedure required that Pam's heart and brain be stopped, her body temperature cooled and her blood was to be drawn out of her body. Pam was to die under controlled circumstances while her brain was hooked up to an advanced EKG monitor that would detect any brainwave activity. Pam was to be in the condition for an hour, Pam would be clinically dead for an entire hour!
The procedure took place and Pam watched the operation from a vantage point above her body, she could recall the conversations that took place between the medical professionals and recall the tools used for the procedure and the full extent of the procedure of which the actual details had never been explained.
But what is more, Pam then had a Near Death Experience. The experience was quite pronounced and I will recommend for folks to listen to the NDE from Pam herself.
It is worth noting that the surgeon who operated on Pam after listening to her NDE stated that she had absolutely NO BRAIN WAVE ACTIVITY, as such whatever organ she was using to perceive was not her PHYSICAL BRAIN, nor her PHYSICAL EARS, nor her PHYSICAL EYES.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNbdUEqDB-k
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