Cistus Incanus - a most interesting Tea

[Bob]

I had heard of Cistus about a year ago and didn't at that time follow-up with obtaining some and testing..

Having come across a thread which doesn't specifically explore Cistus, I thought I would start to describe my personal observations having now used it as tea for a few days..

(ref thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93421-Why-Antioxidants-Are-BAD-For-You&p=1218171&viewfull=1#post1218171)

Cistus Incanus - reference: http://labdanum-creta.blogspot.com/2010/04/cistus-incanus-power-of-rock-rose-menu.html


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Interesting flavor and aroma when made into a TEA.

The teabags are available on the net, I found mine thru Amazon. Bulk 200 teabags.

Steep 8-10 minutes in a cup of very hot, not quite boiling water (water without impurities such as chlorine, fluoride, etc..)

It turns out a pale yellow orange.

Taking a wiff of it, it reminds me of honeysuckle, and sweet alfalfa.. A slight amount of musk-like aroma.. A nice perfumy like note comes off the vapors.

There was a slight combination of both sweetness and sourness, but very slight. By nature one would not have to sweeten or add more sour.. but each taste may be different.

The first cup I thought I would try a slight amount of sweetener based on the net recommendations of previous users..

Not bad, and the taste of a sweet alfalfa concentrate came thru pretty strongly to me.. The aroma continued to stay around as the cup slowly cooled.

I had a sip and waited.. Waiting to see if there were any adverse reactions.. What I noticed first was all the film on my teeth seemed to fade away.. I read up and found indeed Cistus Incanus tea will remove biofilms (which allow bacteria to hide from the immune system).

Would there be any sedation or excitement? No.. If anything after the cup was finished I found my memory seemed to be working better. As I could recall better breakfast or dinner from last nite quite easily, and being able to recall/re-experience video's or stills or re-play music seemed to be easier.

I was interested in addressing a cough which has been coming on and off - it usually does during when springtime hits, due to the molds, plants starting to bloom (trees/grasses)..

And I noticed the mucous layer and biofilm in the mouth and throat starting to fade away.. And a clearer breathing, swallowing, and less in general allergy swelling.

Went to bed with no issues, felt great, didn't have any need for chamomile or anything like that.

(I am still using my magnesium bicarbonate and taurine, no bloating or any uncomfortable changes with the Cistus Incanus tea).

What's the reported benefits?

Addressing inflammation - inflammation left unchecked can damage the body.
Helping the immune system - dealing with viruses, fungus, bacteria, and infections from said.
Others have reported drinking a cup of Cistus Incanus tea will help with reducing food cravings.
Helping in reducing the damage from stress - both stress hormones and muscle fatigue.

I like the taste. It is very different than what normally expects from a tea.. the perfumy experience is like what one gets when drinking a lavender/lilac/violet aroma enhanced tea. Although the Cistus Incanus aroma so much reminds me of sweet alfalfa..

More to come..

[Valerie Villars]

Honestly, sounds pretty nice so far. I like the anti-inflammatory properties described and the other benefits, as described. From where is this rose originally? Crete?

[Bob]

Honestly, sounds pretty nice so far. I like the anti-inflammatory properties described and the other benefits, as described. From where is this rose originally? Crete?

Anywhere in the Mediterranean. Crete has a nice varient

http://chypre-perfume.blogspot.com/


Health Benefits & Modern Medicinal uses

This plant is an aromatic, expectorant, stimulant herb that controls bleeding and has antibiotic effects. It is used internally in the treatment of catarrh and diarrhoea.

Rock Rose tea is three times as healthy as green tea and elderberry juice. It protects the heart four times better than red wine and it is an antioxidant twenty times stronger than freshly pressed lemon juice.

Just a cup of tea a day is proven to stimulate the immune system significantly.


and


detoxifies the body and eliminates toxic heavy metals deriving from the smoke of cigarettes, dental fillings and environmental pollution. In addition, rock rose flower is a key ingredient in a homeopathic treatment, especially for stress.

Presently, resin’s main use is in perfume industry, as a fixative substance. It is often used in making cosmetic creams, because of its anti-wrinkle properties and shampoos, as it strengthens the hair follicle.

and


The most outstanding effect of Rock Rose is its wound healing abilities. It used in any blend for healing skin issues, new or old scars, wounds, inflammation and infections. It is wonderful in blends for mature skin. It is a great anti-inflammatory and has a penetrating, deep aroma that opens up the senses.

The secret of these incredible versatile effects of the rockrose herb is the particularly high level of vitamin P, as well as certain tannic acid compounds or what we call polyphenols.

"The oleoresin labdanum from Cistus creticus was used in ancient Greece as incense, anti-infective, and wound treatment.

"On Crete, the main production center since antiquity, it is brushed off the leaves with long textile strings. After the Ottoman conquest of Crete 1645, Western Europe imported Spanish labdanum prepared by hot water extraction of aerial parts of Cistus ladanifer."

Having another cup with dinner right now :)

Additional reported benefits deal with the LYME Disease infection.. (and seems to repel ticks and fleas naturally)..

[Tam]

Ooooh. I love tea. I'm cutting out soda, and need to be sipping on something constantly now as the addiction wears off. It's been hell.

Hopefully this helps a bit!

Adding this one to my repertoire for sure. Sounds lovely.

(Not going to lie, though, I was secretly hoping this to be a 'special' tea)

[onawah]

I used to love drinking English & Irish Breakfast, Ceylon, Oolong, etc.
Now I drink only herbal teas because I not only can't deal with caffeine, but because of my TMJ, cannot tolerate tannic acid, in which my favorite caffeinated teas are also high.
I wish I could find an organic, decaffeinated tea that is also low in tannic acid.
I tried a decaf White tea which is supposed to be low in tannic acid, but it still made me hyper, and made my jaws hurt (which is what tannic acid does).
I will keep trying, because I miss my cuppa morning comfort!

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[Jad]

Taking a wiff of it, it reminds me of honeysuckle, and sweet alfalfa.. A slight amount of musk-like aroma.. A nice perfumy like note comes off the vapors.

There was a slight combination of both sweetness and sourness, but very slight. By nature one would not have to sweeten or add more sour.. but each taste may be different.

The first cup I thought I would try a slight amount of sweetener based on the net recommendations of previous users..

Not bad, and the taste of a sweet alfalfa concentrate came thru pretty strongly to me.. The aroma continued to stay around as the cup slowly cooled.

I had a sip and waited.. Waiting to see if there were any adverse reactions..

Bob that was one helleva tea review! I would definitely read a whole book just you reviewing all kinds of teas from all over the world! :beer:

[Zanshin]

onawah, would rooibos tea do the trick?

[Valerie Villars]

Well, I ordered some. Thank's Bob. I don't have any of the "issues" it purportedly helps, other than my continuing battle with cigarettes. But I did have some minor surgery and am looking forward to seeing if it helps with the wound healing.

Aside from all that, I love flowers and adore "roses", so my intuition said to try it. :bigsmile:

[Bob]

Day two into day 3.

Skin is getting clear of little inflammations, or follicles that were harbouring yuckies.. What appears is there is a better action in the capillaries around each follicle, allowing for better nutrition as well as getting fluid out of the skin. The lymphatic system seems more activated, and what is great for me, that night cough and early morning congestion is fading away. No need to have a mucous thinning 'drug'.

The aches and pains in the joints, and tendons are less. No stiff neck in the morning. And there is a deep seated full body 'relaxation' where tension over the day is released. If one needs to have energy to get up and 'go' it most certainly can be done to kick the body in gear. No sluggishness that some sedative teas may do.


Jad:
Bob that was one helleva tea review! I would definitely read a whole book just you reviewing all kinds of teas from all over the world!


Thanks Jad, I really like sharing experiences and data when it can help the group. What I write I write from the heart, and use my mind to add the logic. Hopefully it comes out in an understandable way. Writing on medical and science using that method can be done. It's just the willingness to reach-out and share :)

[Bob]

Well, I ordered some. Thank's Bob. I don't have any of the "issues" it purportedly helps, other than my continuing battle with cigarettes. But I did have some minor surgery and am looking forward to seeing if it helps with the wound healing.

Aside from all that, I love flowers and adore "roses", so my intuition said to try it. :bigsmile:

There is some data that it will help with clearing out toxicity from cigarettes. It is possible that if it can help with hunger cravings, it may help with the nicotine cravings. I bet there is a combination of herbals that can be put together to totally deal with any type of physical addictions. I have a lot of data on African plants that I am eager to develop into useful applications. One step at a time I think, can be helpful.. First hand data from regional Shaman.. I don't have Amazonian yet, that is next on my quest.. :)

Did you try the loose variant or the teabag?

[Bob]

I used to love drinking English & Irish Breakfast, Ceylon, Oolong, etc.
Now I drink only herbal teas because I not only can't deal with caffeine, but because of my TMJ, cannot tolerate tannic acid, in which my favorite caffeinated teas are also high.
I wish I could find an organic, decaffeinated tea that is also low in tannic acid.
I tried a decaf White tea which is supposed to be low in tannic acid, but it still made me hyper, and made my jaws hurt (which is what tannic acid does).
I will keep trying, because I miss my cuppa morning comfort!

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I can't say decaf is my 'cuppa tea'... I just don't like what may be going on besides the caffeine being depleted..

This Cistus Incanus, Onawah, may be good to deal with TMJ. The stress relaxation seems pretty darned good. I have had TMJ on and off. I haven't since starting this Tea. It's a deep seated relaxation or like "inner peace" that kicks in.. It probably would be great with those practicing meditations. It would be good to see if this Tea works with helping clearing anxiety and/or panic attacks.

Seems to me if the muscles are hyper-tensed up this Tea could help relieve that, and without sedation, or without any specific brain-zapping chemical. Panic and anxiety free? That sounds wonderful if it is an additional characteristic of the Tea consumption.

This is about the color of the brew when using highly filtered water. With tap water the color of the tea is darker..


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[onawah]

I know that Swiss Water Process decaf coffee is clean and safe (otherwise chemicals are used, I believe), and there are teas from which the caffeine is removed with just water, too, I think. Again, it's the taste of the traditional (mostly "black") teas that I miss (and the cream and honey that I like to add). But an herbal tea that would help with TMJ is certainly worth a try if only for the medicinal effects. Thanks Bob.

I used to love drinking English & Irish Breakfast, Ceylon, Oolong, etc.
Now I drink only herbal teas because I not only can't deal with caffeine, but because of my TMJ, cannot tolerate tannic acid, in which my favorite caffeinated teas are also high.
I wish I could find an organic, decaffeinated tea that is also low in tannic acid.
I tried a decaf White tea which is supposed to be low in tannic acid, but it still made me hyper, and made my jaws hurt (which is what tannic acid does).
I will keep trying, because I miss my cuppa morning comfort!


I can't say decaf is my 'cuppa tea'... I just don't like what may be going on besides the caffeine being depleted..

This Cistus Incanus, Onawah, may be good to deal with TMJ. The stress relaxation seems pretty darned good. I have had TMJ on and off. I haven't since starting this Tea. It's a deep seated relaxation or like "inner peace" that kicks in.. It probably would be great with those practicing meditations. It would be good to see if this Tea works with helping clearing anxiety and/or panic attacks.

Seems to me if the muscles are hyper-tensed up this Tea could help relieve that, and without sedation, or without any specific brain-zapping chemical. Panic and anxiety free? That sounds wonderful if it is an additional characteristic of the Tea consumption.

This is about the color of the brew when using highly filtered water. With tap water the color of the tea is darker..


Thanks Zanshin. I am going to try that, but from my experience, the only thing that tastes like the kind of tea that most people drink (with caffeine and tannic acid) is the kind that has the flavor I crave, and I have never found an herbal tea that tastes like that.

onawah, would rooibos tea do the trick?

[Bob]

Ooooh. I love tea. I'm cutting out soda, and need to be sipping on something constantly now as the addiction wears off. It's been hell.

Hopefully this helps a bit!

Adding this one to my repertoire for sure. Sounds lovely.

(Not going to lie, though, I was secretly hoping this to be a 'special' tea)

I think this Tea is a good choice for coming off any particular habit. I have a feeling it can work with sugar cravings, getting them handled without a strong body crash. Normally at "tea time" during the day I'd be feeling a need for a pick-me-up to get over the later afternoon sleepytime desire.. I didn't find any sleepytime kicking in, as I was feeling unstressed - I assume the sleepytime kicks in so that the body has a way to detox during the day, sorta forcing it to 'relax' otherwise...

If one is not used to a perfume-like aroma, this Tea will definitely seem 'different'.. One accustomed to herbal teas may find this Tea as a nice change. Peace of Mind are the words that appear when I think about the overall experience. The taste and aroma is distinct.. It's not a weak herbal. Each sip holds a continual aroma and flavour.. I like it better than the tannins.

[Bob]

I'll try some cream and honey today to see what it is like and report.


Onawah:
Again, it's the taste of the traditional (mostly "black") teas that I miss (and the cream and honey that I like to add).

As the Tea has already a honeysuckle flavour, the guess is, it will be good.. The sweet alfalfa is the main note.

I'd like to try the honey and lemon addition at one point too.. I am tempted to try a little bit of blueberry concentrate at one point..

The taste by itself seems OK to me, without any additional flavouring. :)

[WhiteFeather]

Thanks for this info Bob, I just may give it a go, sounds interesting. Appreciate the input from all. I may utilize it for inflammation and detoxing. I could use a jolt of some brain food too.

[Bob]

Thanks for this info Bob, I just may give it a go, sounds interesting. Appreciate the input from all. I may utilize it for inflammation and detoxing. I could use a jolt of some brain food too.

Thanks for the good thoughts :)

I decided to try an experiment with the Tea brewing yesterday. I left the teabag in for a full half hour.. The color didn't change much but there was a bit of dissolved solids (a slight cloudy) in the liquid. My cup size by the way is a full pint.

I would have thought the tea would have been stronger in aroma..

But it seemed that the "aroma" was now apparently bound to the dissolved solids. Tasting it, it was measurably sweet all by itself.. The Tea had a more full bodied sensation. No sweetener needed. No cream needed.. No honey needed.. I think, adding anything when the Tea has been brewed to be so full bodied, would be an excessive overload. It was very good either warm or cooled to room temperature at that concentration.

Viewing the walls of the clear glass cup after the Tea was consumed, I noticed there was a hint of a fine white coating, which I assume is a small amount of the concentrated contents or "extract" of the Cistus Incanus. It's obvious then the extraction process of brewing is working.

The feeling throughout the evening was delightful. Mellow. Looking at the skin on the arms and legs, face, there most certainly appears to be a benefit. Overall, softer with lesser wrinkles.

Personal feeling.. I missed the fragrant aroma when it was over-steeped. My assumption is one may want to try the 8-10 minutes steeping time for a cup (or try a pint of water as I do). And pull the tea-ball or teabag, and if just a single cup (not a pint) is being used, re-use the teabag two more times (for a total of 3 cups produced).

If it is too strong a perfume-like aroma, let it steep the full half hour which will quell the perfume and increase the natural sweetness.

This can be a delicate Tea or a full bodied Tea, depending on how long it steeps it seems.

I am still going to try the 8-10 minutes with an addition of honey and cream.. That's on my mid morning Tea break for today :)

[AxisMundi]

Excellent thread, thanks! Dr Dietrich Klinghardt who is a true living genius in the realm of chronic health issues is adamant that it's one of the very few things on Earth that can actually break up Biofilm which is where chronic infections hide and defend themselves. Worth a listen to him here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLJOfHcPkhk

[Bob]

Exactly AxisMundi :)

The biofilms - couple a biofilm bacteria, plus a fungi secreting a cellular degrading toxin, and a virus inducing mutation, and one can get a cancerous inducing environment.. Stop the cycle by interfering with the virus/bacteria/fungi/biofilm and the cancerous inducing environment is deviated from its devastating outcome.

I tried the creme and honey with a 9 minute brewing time today; the teabag steeped in a pint of almost boiling water. Aroma was about the same and it tasted about the same as before.

First thing I added was one ounce of creme/milk in a half and half dilution. I had a taste. Hmm.. where did the aroma go? Where did the noteworthy Cistus flavor go? hmm..

I next added a teaspoon full of clover Honey. Stirred really well. And tested the aroma.. Clover honey aroma was present, and something else.. hmm, what is it?? Ahhh fresh corn - the aroma from the corn silk was the new aroma !

OK - tasting it.. Well.. OK, like having creme of corn.. :) well not really, but... just trying to put a taste on the resultant combination --- that's amazing, and with one teaspoon of Honey the sweetness to me is almost over-powering.. I tried to find the Cistus perfume aroma and couldn't find it.

I did think about having some raspberry crumpets tho ! A craving for smoked salmon hit shortly thereafter.. Visions of wandering through the culinary delights at Harrods befell me.. - https://www.harrods.com/en-gb/restaurants/afternoon-tea/the-tea-room I had to catch my breath..


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Ahhh, I better just stick with the plain Cistus Incanus tea..

[Bob]

A brain boost? I noticed that I started having what seemed like to me, better memory.. It was pretty fast for me to notice a change for the positive..

Cistus Incanus Tea is reported rich in substances called "polyphenols"..

So I took a look to see what polyphenols are reported to do with brain function, memory..


The neuroprotective actions of dietary Polyphenols involve a number of effects within the brain, including a potential to protect neurons against injury induced by neurotoxins, an ability to suppress neuroinflammation, and the potential to promote memory, learning, and cognitive function.

Excessive Oxidative stress, and neurotoxicity are two conditions that can happen when one's diet isn't optimal or if there are underlying diseases present. White blood cells for instance need to create damaging "free radicals" to be able to digest foreign invaders. And then those toxic substances have to be safely disposed. If they are not, they will build up as wastes.. A waste build-up is toxicity..

Cistus Incanus Tea then containing substances such as Polyphenols can neutralize the excess "free radicals". The oxidative stress left unchecked, then can also damage the body's stores of fats, proteins, and even DNA itself.

And researching oxidative stress and learning and memory - the answer is most definitely. (over 900,000 references on those keywords)

Being able to reduce neural-oxidative-stress then seems to be quite important in getting a memory boost..


Oxidative stress is an important factor to the development of learning and memory impairment, which is known as the state of imbalance between the antioxidant level and the production of free radicals that induces the brain damage.

So no doubt to me, the Cistus Incanus Tea was indeed helping with memory issues.

references - do a keyword search as follows: https://www.google.com/search?num=30&newwindow=1&biw=1057&bih=521&ei=pKjcWsW5DcXAjwSI74H4Bg&q=oxidative+stress+and+learning+and+memory+polyphenols&oq=oxidative+stress+and+learning+and+memory+polyphenols

An interesting article on Cistus Incanus Tea and HIV viruses - (protection from) - https://www.researchgate.net/publication/292944398_Potent_in_vitro_antiviral_activity_of_Cistus_incanus_extract_against_HIV_and_Filoviruses_t argets_viral_envelope_proteins


..] we demonstrate that Cistus incanus (Ci) herbal products inhibit human immunodeciency virus (HIV) infections in vitro. Ci extract inhibited clinical HIV-1 and HIV-2 isolates, and, importantly, a virus isolate with multiple drug resistances, conrming broad anti-HIV activity.

and

Ci extracts also inhibited infection by virus particles pseudotyped with Ebola and Marburg virus envelope proteins, indicating that antiviral activity of Ci extract extends to emerging viral pathogens.

These results demonstrate that Ci extracts show potent and broad in vitro antiviral activity against viruses that cause life-threatening diseases in humans and are promising sources of agents that target virus particles.



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[Valerie Villars]

Well, I ordered some. Thank's Bob. I don't have any of the "issues" it purportedly helps, other than my continuing battle with cigarettes. But I did have some minor surgery and am looking forward to seeing if it helps with the wound healing.

Aside from all that, I love flowers and adore "roses", so my intuition said to try it. :bigsmile:

There is some data that it will help with clearing out toxicity from cigarettes. It is possible that if it can help with hunger cravings, it may help with the nicotine cravings. I bet there is a combination of herbals that can be put together to totally deal with any type of physical addictions. I have a lot of data on African plants that I am eager to develop into useful applications. One step at a time I think, can be helpful.. First hand data from regional Shaman.. I don't have Amazonian yet, that is next on my quest.. :)

Did you try the loose variant or the teabag?

I ordered the bags because they were much less expensive, initially. After I do my own test, based on your excellent research, I'll decide if I should continue and if so, I'll get the loose stuff because it's more cost effective.

[CurEus]

Where did people order from?

[Valerie Villars]

Well, I ordered from Amazon, much as I hate to admit it.

[Bob]

This is an interesting website also stocking Cistus Incanus, either loose or in teabags: https://www.eacosmetics.com/collections/herbs - -

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An EBAY listing: https://www.ebay.ie/sch/i.html?_sop=10&_nkw=cistus&_frs=1

[CurEus]

Some is from Albania, Greece or Turkey I am a bit confused about the different varieties

https://www.eacosmetics.com/collections/herbs/products/bio-cistus-incanus-200-bags-200-x-1-3g-9oz

[Bob]

I don't think the shipper/manufacturer matters, - it grows wild throughout the Mediterranean. There are different variants and different locations as the plant origin. They charge differently apparently from the different places where it is harvested.

I'd for this evaluation, only try the plant variant called Cistus Incanus as there are different variants.. (a different variant would be called Cistus psilosepalus for instance, we only want the Incanus variant)

The Cistus from Greece/Crete tack on the word CRETICUS such as cistus creticus incanus or cistus incanus Species: creticus The cistus creticus incanus (from Crete) appears to have a higher labdanum content. That should be fine to test also.

I'm using the distributor from Albania. It seems fine. I think probably we should for our reports tack on if our Cistus came from Crete or another location.. just to see if there is any difference.

[Bob]

Here is some more background - (webpage prohibits copying pasting) - so pls review

https://www.gardenia.net/plant/Cistus-Creticus-ssp-Incanus-Rock-Rose Cistus Creticus Incanus variant (a hybrid)

On the webpage are some pictures of the different variants - a description that the Cistus Creticus Incanus variant is very hearty tolerating temperatures as low as 10-15 deg F (-12 to -9 deg C), and can withstand high temperatures also, and shouldn't be chewed on by deer. It is considered virtually disease and pest free (no doubt part of the reason it is also so helpful for humans, assuming natural disease fighting and pest fighting abilities.)

Here is a distributor from Greece https://botano.gr/products/labdanum for the Cistus Creticus Incanus variant

Cistus Creticus Incanus - Cistrose Αλαδανιά Αγκίσαρος €6.20


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[deborah7371]

I ordered a bag in bulk from Amazon, hoping it would help with a 40-year nicotine habit. I quit smoking in 2003 and have been hooked on nicotine lozenges ever since. After having my first cup last night, I felt a definite calming effect. Later, when I took a lozenge, it made me very nauseous, and I felt like I was really tasting it for the first time. (Horrible!) Thank you for the information, Bob. I think this may work!

[Bob]

Hi Deborah - I have a few questions on the Tea itself


How much of the loose Tea did you use for the teaball?
And from which Country was it grown?
Was there an additional name with the Cistus? Such as Cistus Creticus Incanus (the version from Crete island) ?
Was the Tea a light color or dark, did you use tap water or filtered?


That's great to see that it may help get unhooked from a nicotine lozenge. I am not sure though what cold-turkey quitting nicotine is going to do, anyone able to shed some light on that? My guess is a gradual reduction over time is usually what is done.

I pulled up a reference on quitting Nicotine and found this link: https://www.wikihow.com/Break-Nicotine-Gum-Addiction

Closest thing that I could find was to watch your blood sugar when coming off nicotine, exercise, proper food and liquids to help with detoxing.

I used to smoke a pipe quite regularly (I loved cherry blends) from the 60's through 70's and then quit cold turkey. I also notice with the Cistus Incanus Tea, no desire to even thinking about smoking again. I can recall the images, flavors (memory improvement), but the 'sensation' of the perceived 'reward' from smoking just isn't there.

Most certainly I think this is a most interesting Tea ..

[Valerie Villars]

Okay, it's a beautiful spring evening here in South Louisiana on the farm. UPS just pulled out from delivering my tea. Here are the stats.

The label says Natura, nasza Witalnosc

NatVita-200 tea bags, expiration marked July of next year. The country of origin is marked Albania.

I can't believe I'm this excited over tea bags. Thank you Bob. I'll check in.

Oh, the cost was about 16.00 u.s.

Oh yeah, "Governments Loathe People Being Free"

There's a facebook logo on the bottom of the pack and there's a larger label glued over a smaller label on the back, which I can't read. I wish I knew what that one said.

[Bob]

That sounds like the one I got. It's a good Tea, do try the 10 minutes for the brewing time, with not boiling water.. It's strong with one cup, I use a full pint when I make mine up.

I've got the same over-pasted label, which is in English, the other label underneath looks like the original Language, maybe Albanian? Looks like u got a 4 $ savings over what I paid :)

[Valerie Villars]

I just sat down with a cup to watch "The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel", which I just discovered and adore, with a cup and took one sip and am delighted. I'm astonished. Normally, I couldn't care less. It's really, really good.

[Bob]

That 'bliss feeling', right? I am thinking it's because of the stress reduction, and removing the neural-inflammation we all have due to the immune system's normal activity.. Two to three cups a day seems to be ideal I think..

[kanishk]

I contacted a guy from Turkey he sells this in Tons. Minimum order quantity is 2 tons. You can find few suppliers on Alibaba website. And few websites that are selling already packed herb which is available for resalers for private labeling.

But there are lots of eCommerce websites from Ukraine that sell this herb for very cheap price.

[Bob]

I contacted a guy from Turkey he sells this in Tons. Minimum order quantity is 2 tons. You can find few suppliers on Alibaba website. And few websites that are selling already packed herb which is available for resalers for private labeling.

But there are lots of eCommerce websites from Ukraine that sell this herb for very cheap price.

Tons ! That's a lot of wildflowers :) I am curious about those sites who carry specifically this variant: Cistus Creticus Incanus

I found one website which also sells the Labdanum Resin that appeared to be from a small shoppe in Greece. https://botano.gr/products/cistus-creticus-labdanum-resin-a-more-than-90-pure-resin-100-gr Their delivery time looks like it takes a while to get to the States.. Labdanum may or may not be a concentrate of some of the key active ingredients of the Cistus Incanus Tea..It could be that the flowers and leaves as well play an important role for a wholesome Tea.

The particular Albanian distributor's product that I and possibly a few others are testing appears to be a good Tea. :)

[deborah7371]

Hi Bob - I used a heaping teaspoon in bottled water, just below a boil. I let it steep for a half hour, and even then it was very light colored, but it had a strong effect. The cost was about $20 for 8.8 oz. The label said only that it was “packed and controlled in Germany”. The brand is Biotivia Organic and the label read “100% Cistus Incanus” (no other name), so no idea where it was grown.

I started smoking when I was 14 in the 70’s. No one was ever carded back then; in fact, I wasn’t carded until I was 30! A little too late. Thanks for the link and tips. I’ll let you know how it goes.

[Valerie Villars]

That 'bliss feeling', right? I am thinking it's because of the stress reduction, and removing the neural-inflammation we all have due to the immune system's normal activity.. Two to three cups a day seems to be ideal I think..

Yes, there is a golden feeling to it. It just gives me a really great feeling. Sort of like blessed water, but it has a honey sort of a feel, even though it's basically water.

I had a cup last night before bed and I slept like a baby, which is something I struggle with, though I didn't used to.

I had a cup first thing this morning, before my coffee and got the same impressions. Also, it may be my imagination, but it does seem to have calmed down the surgery scar. I'm hooked.

[Bob]

Thanks Val and thanks Deborah. :) :)

I'm continually seeing skin improvements without having to put any of the liquid on the spots with issues. Mostly inflammations are calming down and normal appearance skin seems to be coming back.. I haven't yet seen any age-spot reduction, but I don't have many of those.

I have noticed sleep improvements too. Aches and pains seem to be diminishing in the digestive area and the arms and legs. I twisted an ankle while Hang Gliding back in the mid-70's (dohh), like really bad from coming down hard prematurely during a take-off from a mountain (caught a downdraft which pushed me into the mountainside - crashed at full speed).. And I've been limping from that since then. Of all things, and this is really weird, that injury actually seems to finally (!) be correcting after that long. I am getting proper movement again of the ankle without pain. I am not sure how such a repair could be triggered, maybe it is coincidence, maybe not..

I am wondering if it has to do with past cellular memory trauma being 'released' (from the de-stress phenomena from the polyphenols), allowing the rest of the body's DNA to do its "energy thing".. Meaning DNA communicates with the whole body through energy patterns. A block acts like a 'lock' keeping an issue ever-present until the lock is opened. It seems to me if the blocks/locks are held in place by the oxidative stress (mentioned in one of the posts above), then removing those oxidative stress compounds, MAY, allow for the rest of the body's normal DNA energetic patterns to re-signal the rest of the cells to get back to what the original correct body pattern IS supposed to be.. If that is the case that understanding would be a key breakthru in healing..

So lets see if that is a valid idea.. I am optimistic.

[Valerie Villars]

http://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/79/5/727/4690182

The above article is from "The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition" and is actually quite good, regarding polyphenols.

I am in to this experiment 100%, which is very odd and unusual for me. That tells me my intuition is guiding me. I'll keep reporting in. It really did lessen the redness and the inflammation, after one cup. I've been doing everything else in my life the same way. The tea is the only thing I have changed, thus far.

It just feels good. Good enough for me.

[Bob]

Here is a link to an EBay source for the Cistus Incanus - (loose) https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cistus-Incanus-Tea-100-Bio-Organique-Herbs-BIO-Certified-Czystek-Detox-Tea-250g/252377535835


http://chanlo.com/images/cistus-incanus-1.jpg

[kanishk]

I contacted a guy from Turkey he sells this in Tons. Minimum order quantity is 2 tons. You can find few suppliers on Alibaba website. And few websites that are selling already packed herb which is available for resalers for private labeling.

But there are lots of eCommerce websites from Ukraine that sell this herb for very cheap price.

Tons ! That's a lot of wildflowers :) I am curious about those sites who carry specifically this variant: Cistus Creticus Incanus

I found one website which also sells the Labdanum Resin that appeared to be from a small shoppe in Greece. https://botano.gr/products/cistus-creticus-labdanum-resin-a-more-than-90-pure-resin-100-gr Their delivery time looks like it takes a while to get to the States.. Labdanum may or may not be a concentrate of some of the key active ingredients of the Cistus Incanus Tea..It could be that the flowers and leaves as well play an important role for a wholesome Tea.

The particular Albanian distributor's product that I and possibly a few others are testing appears to be a good Tea. :)

Here is the link who distributes by collecting it from farmers. (Cistus Incanus and Cistus Creticus)
WatsApp Number +905425428373
http://www.agrohoby.com/tr/products/30/cistus-incanus

This is the site where they are selling it for private label (Cistus incanus Cistus)
http://www.babaziola.pl/en/produkt/10873/

Cistus Incanus from Poland
https://ekogram.pl/en/organic-herbs-teas/52-organic-cistus-incanus-150g.html

NatVita original website
https://natvita.pl/suplementy-diety/1245-czystek-cena-herbata-bio-ziolo-sklep.html?search_query=cistus&results=4

Listings on Alibaba
https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/turkish-cistus-incanus.html

[Valerie Villars]

Here is a link to an EBay source for the Cistus Incanus - (loose) https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cistus-Incanus-Tea-100-Bio-Organique-Herbs-BIO-Certified-Czystek-Detox-Tea-250g/252377535835


http://chanlo.com/images/cistus-incanus-1.jpg

That's the one I got, exactly, but in bags.

[Bob]

Update on Cistus Incanus use -

It's been over a month of daily use of the tea. I like it a lot.

Benefits observed


Improvements in skin appearance, skin tone, and issues like warts and moles, or scars or abrasion thickenings reducing and getting smooth.
A reduction in desire to consume "junk" or sweets.
A much healthier feeling digestive system.
Teeth and gums much healthier.
Body odor very much reduced (assumption is skin bacteria are reduced substantially, which matches reported claims about the Cistus Incanus acting like a biocide)
A general "less stressed" feeling overall.
Improvements to visualization and memory. Assume this is due to reduction of oxidative stress.


A side effect with the ability to have improved visualization and memory... where there are "issues" unresolved, there is less of a tendency to 'let it slide'.. So it seems to be one is able to recognize issues clearer, and then having the 'mindset' to 'deal with' instead of just ignoring.

An issue with large amounts consumed - probiotics really need to be used, with a set of strains that one is comfortable with. The Cistus Incanus does a great job of clearing out a lot of fungi, molds, bacteria, viruses.. Reports are it doesn't work on clearing out E. Coli.. That being the case, E. Coli requires Probiotics to deal with it.

I've also tried testing out making high concentration "extractions".. Such as for when one is dealing with a strong virus onslaught, to use a higher almost immediately absorbed carrier substance for the active constituents. At an ingestion level of 1 tsp per hour while the nastiest symptoms are present. I'll get into that in another post.

[Valerie Villars]

I've been using the tea for over a month, too. I do believe it has helped some healing on my skin and overall glow. Aside from that, I just really like it and I drink about three to four cups a day.

I wasn't a tea drinker before, but I am now. Thanks. :star:

[toppy]

Thanks, Bob. I've ordered it too.

[Helene West]

I have a large bag of Cistus, nettles and other good herbs as well. But I can't/won't let go of my coffee habit!! urghhhhhh....

[Bob]

I have a large bag of Cistus, nettles and other good herbs as well. But I can't/won't let go of my coffee habit!! urghhhhhh....

Love it ! I have at least two pints of some really nice Kona blend a day, and 1-2 pints of Cistus Incanus.

I actually tried adding in some Cistus Incanus concentrate brew to the koffee - wowzas.. now that was flavorful ! (Best of all worlds?)

[Valerie Villars]

That's a great idea Bob. I still drink my coffee every day. I'll try mixing the two just to see how it goes down.

:clapping:

[spade]

Very nice tea - for some reason it is strangely familiar to normal tea and rooibos... but very light and drinkable. Beautiful tea! Hope to help a friend get off his smoking habit

[Bob]

I had a chance to test the natural "bug repellent" side feature which happens from drinking the Cistus Incanus tea for over a month..

Was outside during dusk and there were swarms of some very small mosquitoes buzzing around. As I exhaled I noticed the swarm move over towards me. When they got close tho, none landed, did not get bit. I had no other repellent on.

I'm not eager to see if this works on ticks tho.. Possibly those who live in tick prone areas who are consuming (for at least a month) the Cistus Incanus tea could report on some feedback for if they have noticed reduced tick bites.

I don't know the effectiveness against chiggers, but it may be useful for that. If so hundreds of thousands of kids in chigger prone areas may be able to benefit..

[Sue (Ayt)]

Here is an article about how cistus was tested against Covid, with rather amazing results:

Cistus × Incanus L. Pandalis Is Highly Effective Against Delta Variant of SARS-CoV-2 in Vitro
Published: Sep. 8, 2021
Author
Jens-Martin Traeder, Institute of General Medicine, University of Luebeck, Lubeck, Germany

Abstract
Background: Recent studies have shown that a special extract from Cistus x incanus L. Pandalis (Cystus Pandalis® extract) has proven to be effective against SARS-CoV-2 in vitro and it is likely that the extract shows to be effective against other new variants of SARS-CoV-2 like the “Indian” Delta-Variety as well. Methods: In order to verify our claim, we examined how the extract Cystus Pandalis® inhibits the cytopathic action (CPE) of the Coronavirus in a cell model with human intestinal cells (Caco-2). We incubated viruses with the extract and mixed them with the cell cultures. Result: Cystus Pandalis® extract has almost completely inhibited virus growth at concentrations greater than 100 μg/ml. The calculated IC50 (mean inhibitory concentration) for the "Indian" Delta variant was 101 µg/ml. Conclusion: Cistus x incanus L. Pandalis extract (Cystus Pandalis® extract) is capable of preventing cell cultures from being infected by SARS-CoV-2 in-vitro. Because of its high in-vitro potency against the new variants of SARS-CoV-2, it is more than ever reasonable to use Cystus Pandalis® prophylactically in order to decrease the virus load. The development of resistance to the extract is not likely. People tolerate the extract very well. No significant side effects have been detected. Phytopharmaceuticals extraxted from Cistus x incanus L. Pandalis are able to combat viral infections and can help contain future pandamics by being handed in advance profilactically.

http://www.sciencepg.com/journal/paperinfo?journalid=320&doi=10.11648/j.jdmp.20210703.13
(the full study pdf is available at the link)

I also found some research that cistus is effective against ebola and hiv. This is an herb that is still widely available, fairly cheap, and tastes nice too, so it may be something to have on hand.

[Brigantia]

Thanks for bumping this thread Sue, it's a very interesting report - as is the thread. I've seen cistus incanus all over the Mediterranean in the past, it always looks gorgeous.

I found this brand on a search, it's a Polish brand so anyone in the UK who is near a Polish shop may find some there, in my experience the Poles always are very knowledgeable about natural health and diet. I'll be near a Polish shop at the weekend so with any luck I'll find some! If not, there are plenty of UK sellers that you can find from an internet search.

[Brigantia]

Success! I found some. Just look for Cyzstek amongst the herbal teas in a Polish store, the one I was in had 3 different brands. I got 3 boxes of 20 tea bags of this one, £1.17 each.