Deadly Van Crash In Toronto, Canada

[we-R-one]

Taken from the headlines:

IT LOOKS INTENTIONAL/
Cops Won’t Rule Out Terror In Deadly Van Crash In Toronto; Suspect Identified As 25-year-Old Resident

"Police in Toronto identified the suspected driver of a van that rammed into a crowd of pedestrians earlier Monday, and said they would not rule out terrorism as a possible motive. The vehicle was driven by Alek Minassian, 25, of Richmond Hill, north of Toronto, police said. Minassian allegedly drove into dozens of people intentionally, killing 10 and injuring 15 others.

"We don’t rule out anything," Toronto Police Service Chief Mark Saunders said in a Monday evening press conference. "We need to follow what we have.

"Based on witness accounts, its very clear the actions definitely looked deliberate," Saunders said.

After striking the pedestrians, the driver sped off, CBC reported. Witnesses said the driver was moving fast and appeared to be acting deliberately. Photos from the site of the collision showed pedestrians attempting to help people on the ground and multiple bodies covered by sheets.

Saunders asked for members of the public capable of helping to come forward. Law enforcement, Saunders said, needs help in both identifying the victims and with piecing together the actions of the day via eyewitness accounts.

"This kind of tragic incident is not representative of how we live or who we are," Toronto Mayor John Tory said.

Source: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/04/23/toronto-van-crash-suspect-idd-as-police-wont-rule-out-terror-possibility.html

More Sources if you don't like Fox News or think it's fake news:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43873804
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-van-suspect/suspects-in-toronto-van-attack-identified-cbc-tv-idUSKBN1HU30D
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2018/apr/24/driver-kills-nine-toronto-live-updates




Sadly whether it's shootings or running over people, no country is immune to the craziness.

EDIT TO ADD:
Identity Released of Islamic Man Who Used Truck to Kill 10 in Toronto
…And here’s the point: under Canadian law, officials can now hide backgrounds & religions of killers from public

Source: https://www.infowars.com/identity-released-of-man-who-used-truck-to-kill-10-in-toronto/


"We are with the Canadian people tonight as they grieve the loss of life & injured," Vice President Mike Pence tweeted. "The American people stand shoulder-to-shoulder with our neighbors in Canada."

[CurEus]

The identity of the man who killed a busload of high school hockey players 2 weeks ago also has not been released.....

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/08/americas/canada-bus-crash/index.html

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I didn't even hear of the bus full of hockey players being killed.


Don't worry guys. CNN says this was just a "collision."

https://kek.gg/i/46RZP5.jpeg


Sounds like it was unintentional. I'm sure it was just a misunderstanding.

[Flash]

For the Toronto van driver, If I rely on the name of the killer, this sounds rather Armenian name. Which would make him orthodox christian. Not an Arab nor a Muslim.

[Earth Angel]

The death of the hockey players was taken as a HUGE hit to Canadians....because they play hockey?? I dont understand this.....the GoFundMe page hit 11 million in days.....(presently over 15 million) ...I dont get that because a group of people died in an accident, or even less because they played hockey, makes their families grief and pain any worse than someone like myself who's 26 year old brother died in a single car accident or any other Canadians who lost someone that day,week,month or year.....its very odd....made me wonder what we were being distracted from with this story....at least here in Canada it was HUGE, songs written,money pouring in from around the world, hockey sticks left outside everyones homes, wear a jersey to work/school day ......I just dont get it. I believe this was the same day as the strike on Syria too. Perhaps this guy in the van just wanted some of that attention.....seems he was a bit of a loner ....I live about an hour from this accident/attack , will be interesting to see how big the response is to this groups deaths.

UPDATE: just checked to see where we are on the Van deaths.... a whopping $500 in one day....and yet Humboldt strong is now at $15 million and was at many millions after a day or two

https://www.gofundme.com/mka7p-torontostrong

https://www.gofundme.com/funds-for-humboldt-broncos

[CurEus]

It was a high school team of very young players from a tiny community in very Rural Canada.
Most Canadian kids play hockey as soon as they can stand...it is our National Sport and losing so many young people is a tragedy considering "nothing much ever happens in Canada"

It is expected but not confirmed that the Canadian Trucking industry has become awash with Temporary Foreign Workers with no skills, very poor training....dominated by South Asians. A very failed government policy that may result in a severe backlash.

[DeDukshyn]

The identity of the man who killed a busload of high school hockey players 2 weeks ago also has not been released.....

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/08/americas/canada-bus-crash/index.html

I am not sure the intent of your comment ... That truck driver could easily have been you. Apparently, the intersection has always been known as a death trap and numerous fatalities have happened there in the past. Apparently you can't see the stop sign (sign size issue) while traveling at 100k/hr (limit in both directions was 100km/h). There's also a large grove of trees obstructing the view of the highway completely where the bus was coming from.

What does whether or not the name of the driver being released have to do with anything? Are you trying to imply that this accident (Humbolt bus crash) was done on purpose or that somehow this is terrorist related? I just can't imagine what the motivation for that comment was ... lol.

Edit:
Ok I just read your comment right above his so I have a bit better idea ... but as I said, that intersection itself is well known and locals have been begging for the government to do something about it.

But yeah if brown is easier to blame (I have no idea of the skin colour of the driver) for all the world's problems without knowledge or investigation to back it, have at it. It'll surely make the world a better place. And unless you are fully first nations, your parents, grandparents, or great grandparents were immigrants, and probably ****ty drivers too. ;)

With that crash, the main question is why do trucks take that route that is obviously off the main highways? This exact route seems to bypass a major weighscale that trucks need to stop and register their weight - this both slows their trip, and runs the risk of weighing over and getting a fine (or something - I'm not a trucker).

Anyway, still no official word on cause.


Grant Merriman, president of the La Ronge Ice Wolves and bus driver for the team, said he has driven his players by the intersection of highways 335 and 35 many times. Like Poggemiller, he said trees obscure visibility at the junction and make it a dangerous intersection.

“It’s a blind corner in some ways,” he said. “If you come out across that intersection, the guy in the bus is absolutely, totally unaware that you’re going to pull out in front of him because he doesn’t even see you until you’re both looking at each other.”

Another Connaught councillor, Ian Boxall, also posted on Twitter he intends to seek changes at the intersection.

“I will lobby for better signage and lighting at this intersection so this never happens again,” Boxall posted. --- http://thestarphoenix.com/news/local-news/humboldt-broncos-bus-crash-rm-councillors-want-changes-at-deadly-intersection

[we-R-one]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z770Vbd-G3s

Toronto Van Attack Suspect Praised 'incel rebellion' For Sexually-Frustrated Men Just Before Deadly Rampage


Source: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/04/24/toronto-van-attack-suspect-praised-incel-rebellion-for-sexually-frustrated-men-just-before-deadly-rampage.html


Someone mentioned this guy might be Armenian...did I see somewhere Q mentioning Armenian in one of his recent posts? Could this be some correlation? don't know...

I have a theory and I don't know if it's going on in Canada in this instance, but I do have suspicions it's going on here in the U.S.

Everyone knows about the 'see something, say something' campaign and plenty of people have 'seen things' and then contacted the appropriate officials only to have nothing done about it. I suspect 'something' was done about it all right...as by 'saying' something you just alerted the alphabet soup agencies to who's about to go crazy and from there, they use their Electromagnetic Low Frequencies technologies to weaponize the individual into causing horrendous crimes. Add a little SSRI /psychiatric drugs and the job is complete. I have no doubt this is a strong possibility.

Notice the latest was done in Florida to stir up the gun debate? To win the presidential election you have to win Florida, 'deep state' knows this, so I would not be surprised to see subsequent states succumb to the same violence being perpetuated on constituents in hopes of affecting elections, so watch that in the coming months and keep this idea in mind as they happen.

Trump needs to clean house big time amongst the alphabet soup agencies. I only mention this because the same weaponized frequencies can be used in other countries if it fits the needs of the globalist agenda. Maybe this has already been mentioned on the forum as I don't have time to scour every thread, but wanted to bring it up. I'm sure Omnisense has likely covered this type of topic before.

[Flash]

This guy HAS an armenian surname. And if we keep it within context, my comment was in answer to those who were writing, here in this thread, that he is Arab.

Second:in Canada it is forbidden to mention racial or nation origins. So no, you will not see the original nationality mentioned.

I personally think he is a case of frustrated and sick man, not a false flag, just a crazy copy of what he has seen. On tv or on the web. I pity him and his family, hoponono to them.

However, it is written somewhere that he would have been diagnosed as asperger in the past (but from all the aspies I have known up to date, none were violent, so it is irrelevant)

As for your hypothesis of the crazies being reported before blowing up and the being targetted to make them violent, hum... a Possibility. But just surfing the web -facebook with the right algorythm would be sufficient to pick the ones to target.

However there are enough crazies around to get them triggered just by showing them how to do it through violent video games, videos or a few false flags to show the path. As efficient and less costly.


But


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z770Vbd-G3s

Toronto Van Attack Suspect Praised 'incel rebellion' For Sexually-Frustrated Men Just Before Deadly Rampage


Source: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/04/24/toronto-van-attack-suspect-praised-incel-rebellion-for-sexually-frustrated-men-just-before-deadly-rampage.html


Someone mentioned this guy might be Armenian...did I see somewhere Q mentioning Armenian in one of his recent posts? Could this be some correlation? don't know...

I have a theory and I don't know if it's going on in Canada in this instance, but I do have suspicions it's going on here in the U.S.

Everyone knows about the 'see something, say something' campaign and plenty of people have 'seen things' and then contacted the appropriate officials only to have nothing done about it. I suspect 'something' was done about it all right...as by 'saying' something you just alerted the alphabet soup agencies to who's about to go crazy and from there, they use their Electromagnetic Low Frequencies technologies to weaponize the individual into causing horrendous crimes. Add a little SSRI /psychiatric drugs and the job is complete. I have no doubt this is a strong possibility.

Notice the latest was done in Florida to stir up the gun debate? To win the presidential election you have to win Florida, 'deep state' knows this, so I would not be surprised to see subsequent states succumb to the same violence being perpetuated on constituents in hopes of affecting elections, so watch that in the coming months and keep this idea in mind as they happen.

Trump needs to clean house big time amongst the alphabet soup agencies. I only mention this because the same weaponized frequencies can be used in other countries if it fits the needs of the globalist agenda. Maybe this has already been mentioned on the forum as I don't have time to scour every thread, but wanted to bring it up. I'm sure Omnisense has likely covered this type of topic before.

[Flash]

Also the cop behavior and intervention was absolutely exemplary. He is showing cops that being trigger happy is not the solution. Very different from what we see in the US. And sometimes in Canada

This was not a cop responding to false flag either - I think they do not keep the killer alive when it is false flag.

[Earth Angel]

It was a high school team of very young players from a tiny community in very Rural Canada.
Most Canadian kids play hockey as soon as they can stand...it is our National Sport and losing so many young people is a tragedy considering "nothing much ever happens in Canada"



I get that hockey is a big part of kids lives here but I am Canadian, I live just outside Toronto, in a very small town....I know how small town people support each other......but I still think its odd that because they played hockey people are so much more upset, isn't it just enough that they are someones children? we can all relate to that, without hockey coming into it at all. If these same kids were on a school trip to the art gallery would so many people be donating and honoring them, thinking of all the up and coming artists we may have lost?
I also think the driver hasnt been named for his own safety. All those hockey sticks that were left outside would be aimed at his head.

[Tam]

I didn't even hear of the bus full of hockey players being killed.


Don't worry guys. CNN says this was just a "collision."

https://kek.gg/i/46RZP5.jpeg


Sounds like it was unintentional. I'm sure it was just a misunderstanding.

When it's a white man it's a misunderstanding, a mentally challenged, disturbed soul.

When it's a brown man, it's terrorism.

Yet CNN is so quick to pull the Social Justice card...

[we-R-one]

As for your hypothesis of the crazies being reported before blowing up and the being targetted to make them violent, hum... a Possibility. But just surfing the web -facebook with the right algorythm would be sufficient to pick the ones to target.

However there are enough crazies around to get them triggered just by showing them how to do it through violent video games, videos or a few false flags to show the path. As efficient and less costly.

You may not know this as the information in your country could be limited, but in several of the cases over here, the FBI had been notified of these individuals and did nothing(so no speculation needed), most recently the Florida high school shooting, so it's why I suggest there's a strong possibility 'they' took advantage of the situation to use for their agenda. So in essence, equally efficient and less costly as there's no need to 'search'.

[AutumnW]

Another tragic case of a bitter young guy angry at the world because he can't get a date. Like SO angry and feeling so entitled he's willing to spend the rest of his life in maximum security. I hate to use this cliche, but he may end up on the other side of resistant girlfriend there.

I would bet that many of these incels were kids who got everything they wanted growing up and don't understand that they can't snap their fingers and make sex just happen with a living breathing human being.

[Flash]

for your information, the information in my country is, in my views, less limited than in yours (although barely) and also less biaised, imo. Over and above, because of language diversity, I have access to information from all over the world, Europe, South America, name it. I am not from backwards bushes without information and I certainly have as much education and knowledge about all deemed "fringe" stuff as there can be in both our societies.

Also, the non intervention of FBI when the a student may shoot in a school could be similar from the RCMP - if our governement wanted a false flag.

But here,in your thread, if I am not mistaken, we are talking of something that happened in my country, 5 hours drive from my home, with witnesses that I may meet anytime given the opportunity. I know the politics of my country, the ways of living and thinking in my country and the way immigrants integrate or not in it. I also know the proportion of Muslim immigrants versus other origins and which Muslim country they are mainly from in Toronto or in Montreal (they are from vastly different middle eastern/north African countries). And I also know that surnames ending by "ian" are moslty from Armenian origins, Armenians being Orthodox Christian usually. Those are the advantages of living in a multi-cultural city.

I hesitated to reply to your comment, not wanting to antagonize, but really, "have less information" in my country is really almost funny. This seem to be a limited knowledge of Canada and its cities.






As for your hypothesis of the crazies being reported before blowing up and the being targetted to make them violent, hum... a Possibility. But just surfing the web -facebook with the right algorythm would be sufficient to pick the ones to target.

However there are enough crazies around to get them triggered just by showing them how to do it through violent video games, videos or a few false flags to show the path. As efficient and less costly.

You may not know this as the information in your country could be limited, but in several of the cases over here, the FBI had been notified of these individuals and did nothing(so no speculation needed), most recently the Florida high school shooting, so it's why I suggest there's a strong possibility 'they' took advantage of the situation to use for their agenda. So in essence, equally efficient and less costly as there's no need to 'search'.

[Earth Angel]

Also the cop behavior and intervention was absolutely exemplary. He is showing cops that being trigger happy is not the solution. Very different from what we see in the US. And sometimes in Canada

This was not a cop responding to false flag either - I think they do not keep the killer alive when it is false flag.

I couldn't believe one of the reports asked the police why they didn't shoot him .....what the hell?? he didn't have a gun and was asking to be killed

[Ernie Nemeth]

This is a tragedy. What a lowly act of cowardice.

[we-R-one]

for your information, the information in my country is, in my views, less limited than in yours (although barely) and also less biaised, imo. Over and above, because of language diversity, I have access to information from all over the world, Europe, South America, name it. I am not from backwards bushes without information and I certainly have as much education and knowledge about all deemed "fringe" stuff as there can be in both our societies.

Also, the non intervention of FBI when the a student may shoot in a school could be similar from the RCMP - if our governement wanted a false flag.

But here,in your thread, if I am not mistaken, we are talking of something that happened in my country, 5 hours drive from my home, with witnesses that I may meet anytime given the opportunity. I know the politics of my country, the ways of living and thinking in my country and the way immigrants integrate or not in it. I also know the proportion of Muslim immigrants versus other origins and which Muslim country they are mainly from in Toronto or in Montreal (they are from vastly different middle eastern/north African countries). And I also know that surnames ending by "ian" are moslty from Armenian origins, Armenians being Orthodox Christian usually. Those are the advantages of living in a multi-cultural city.

I hesitated to reply to your comment, not wanting to antagonize, but really, "have less information" in my country is really almost funny. This seem to be a limited knowledge of Canada and its cities.

Hey Flash, you’re completely blowing my remarks out of proportion and I don’t get why some of you Canadians on this forum seem to have an inferiority complex making implications that one country is better over another in various comments as if it’s some competition between the U.S and Canada. At least that’s the perception I get from some of the posts and how they’re written.

I don’t know what you know, and I don’t claim to know what type of articles you read in regards to what’s going on in other countries. So to assume as such would be silly of me, which is why I was merely offering the information we had been told here, that you may or may not be aware of because your ‘information might be limited’….there’s no suggestion in my post that you aren’t knowledgeable or that your country is inferior.

I think you’re way overreacting and reading into my post, implications that just aren’t there. I have traveled to other countries and I’ve noticed how skewed their news is pertaining to things happening in my country and I can see the slant given in stories so the locals of said country walk away with a conditioned perception that isn’t necessarily the truth about what’s going on and why. It is with that in mind, I said what I said because I don’t know what you’re being told and I don’t know what kind of articles you're reading.

[DeDukshyn]

for your information, the information in my country is, in my views, less limited than in yours (although barely) and also less biaised, imo. Over and above, because of language diversity, I have access to information from all over the world, Europe, South America, name it. I am not from backwards bushes without information and I certainly have as much education and knowledge about all deemed "fringe" stuff as there can be in both our societies.

Also, the non intervention of FBI when the a student may shoot in a school could be similar from the RCMP - if our governement wanted a false flag.

But here,in your thread, if I am not mistaken, we are talking of something that happened in my country, 5 hours drive from my home, with witnesses that I may meet anytime given the opportunity. I know the politics of my country, the ways of living and thinking in my country and the way immigrants integrate or not in it. I also know the proportion of Muslim immigrants versus other origins and which Muslim country they are mainly from in Toronto or in Montreal (they are from vastly different middle eastern/north African countries). And I also know that surnames ending by "ian" are moslty from Armenian origins, Armenians being Orthodox Christian usually. Those are the advantages of living in a multi-cultural city.

I hesitated to reply to your comment, not wanting to antagonize, but really, "have less information" in my country is really almost funny. This seem to be a limited knowledge of Canada and its cities.

Hey Flash, you’re completely blowing my comments out of proportion and I don’t get why some of you Canadians on this forum seem to have an inferiority complex making implications that one country is better over another in various comments as if it’s some competition between the U.S and Canada. At least that’s the perception I get from some of the posts and how they’re written.

I don’t know what you know, and I don’t claim to know what type of articles you read in regards to what’s going on in other countries. So to assume as such would be silly of me, which is why I was merely offering the information we had been told here, that you may or may not be aware of because your ‘information might be limited’….there’s no suggestion in my post that you aren’t knowledgeable or that your country is inferior.

I think you’re way overreacting and reading into my post, implications that just aren’t there. I have traveled to other countries and I’ve noticed how skewed their news is pertaining to things happening in my country and I can see the slant given in stories so the locals of said country walk away with a conditioned perception that isn’t necessarily the truth about what’s going on and why. It is with that in mind, I said what I said because I don’t know what you’re being told and I don’t know what kind of articles you're reading.

I just have to laugh my ass off a little here ...

First off, I was going to respond to Flash and say that we-R-one likely just left that comment really out of a genuine not knowing. Americans don't really know much about Canada and we have to accept that and not get offended, it's just a reality; I totally got your comment regarding that, but at the same time, Canadians are a little frustrated that Americans don't know us better (not that you need to), just another reality.

Second, it seems that your reaction to the blown out of proportion reaction, was a little out of proportion itself. Made me chuckle a bit.

Third, and just for general information, Canada gets all the same news outlets that Americans do (almost shoved down our throats), we get all your "news" channels on our cable and much of our own news media is based around yours. So anything that Americans know from the "news" sources, Canadians also know. Apparently this isn't common knowledge. :)

A bit of a disclaimer, I am from western Canada, and I assume the same of Quebec but Canada is pretty diverse so that assumption might not always be 100% on point, but in this case I'm pretty sure it is.

Anyway .. let us get back to topic. :)

:focus:

[Flash]

for your information, the information in my country is, in my views, less limited than in yours (although barely) and also less biaised, imo. Over and above, because of language diversity, I have access to information from all over the world, Europe, South America, name it. I am not from backwards bushes without information and I certainly have as much education and knowledge about all deemed "fringe" stuff as there can be in both our societies.

Also, the non intervention of FBI when the a student may shoot in a school could be similar from the RCMP - if our governement wanted a false flag.

But here,in your thread, if I am not mistaken, we are talking of something that happened in my country, 5 hours drive from my home, with witnesses that I may meet anytime given the opportunity. I know the politics of my country, the ways of living and thinking in my country and the way immigrants integrate or not in it. I also know the proportion of Muslim immigrants versus other origins and which Muslim country they are mainly from in Toronto or in Montreal (they are from vastly different middle eastern/north African countries). And I also know that surnames ending by "ian" are moslty from Armenian origins, Armenians being Orthodox Christian usually. Those are the advantages of living in a multi-cultural city.

I hesitated to reply to your comment, not wanting to antagonize, but really, "have less information" in my country is really almost funny. This seem to be a limited knowledge of Canada and its cities.

Hey Flash, you’re completely blowing my comments out of proportion and I don’t get why some of you Canadians on this forum seem to have an inferiority complex making implications that one country is better over another in various comments as if it’s some competition between the U.S and Canada. At least that’s the perception I get from some of the posts and how they’re written.

I don’t know what you know, and I don’t claim to know what type of articles you read in regards to what’s going on in other countries. So to assume as such would be silly of me, which is why I was merely offering the information we had been told here, that you may or may not be aware of because your ‘information might be limited’….there’s no suggestion in my post that you aren’t knowledgeable or that your country is inferior.

I think you’re way overreacting and reading into my post, implications that just aren’t there. I have traveled to other countries and I’ve noticed how skewed their news is pertaining to things happening in my country and I can see the slant given in stories so the locals of said country walk away with a conditioned perception that isn’t necessarily the truth about what’s going on and why. It is with that in mind, I said what I said because I don’t know what you’re being told and I don’t know what kind of articles you're reading.

I just have to laugh my ass off a little here ...

First off, I was going to respond to Flash and say that we-R-one likely just left that comment really out of a genuine not knowing. Americans don't really know much about Canada and we have to accept that and not get offended, it's just a reality; I totally got your comment regarding that, but at the same time, Canadians are a little frustrated that Americans don't know us better (not that you need to), just another reality.

Second, it seems that your reaction to the blown out of proportion reaction, was a little out of proportion itself. Made me chuckle a bit.

Third, and just for general information, Canada gets all the same news outlets that Americans do (almost shoved down our throats), we get all your "news" channels on our cable and much of our own news media is based around yours. So anything that Americans know from the "news" sources, Canadians also know. Apparently this isn't common knowledge. :)

A bit of a disclaimer, I am from western Canada, and I assume the same of Quebec but Canada is pretty diverse so that assumption might not always be 100% on point, but in this case I'm pretty sure it is.

Anyway .. let us get back to topic. :)

:focus:

you are both right

1. Dedushkyn: yes I do sometimes have enough of Americans not knowing anything about other countries, including Canada - but in reality, it has nothing to do with We-R-One personnally and overall, this forum is quite good. (this is not a competiton)
2. Yes W-R-One, I prefer my country, I do have a biais for it, and I think most people do have biaises for their own corner of land. No competition there either - but, as a biaised Canadian, I much prefer to live here than there.Despite the terrible cold in winter.
3. Yes, I over blew it, you are both right. I have been sick today, I should have refrained from posting. Sorry.

[Earth Angel]

so sad that this is even a story about the Officer who Refused to Shoot the suspect

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/ken-lam-officer-refused-shoot-161940507.html

we need more people like this gentleman

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/mans-message-kindness-deadly-toronto-van-attack-goes-viral-181930223.html

[Tangri]

For the Toronto van driver, If I rely on the name of the killer, this sounds rather Armenian name. Which would make him orthodox christian. Not an Arab nor a Muslim.

Then this is not terrorism. :clapping:

[Tangri]

[QUOTE=Earth Angel;1221972]so sad that this is even a story about the Officer who Refused to Shoot the suspect

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/ken-lam-officer-refused-shoot-161940507.html

Look likes writer of the article (Chantal Del Silva ) is fan of the King Kong or not knowing world map.:bigsmile:

[Flash]

For the Toronto van driver, If I rely on the name of the killer, this sounds rather Armenian name. Which would make him orthodox christian. Not an Arab nor a Muslim.

Then this is not terrorism. :clapping:

No, this is not arab, which is linked to terrorism in many heads. My point being this is just a crazy men, arab or not, muslim or not. But I see your point.

By the way, I will have a Turkish doctor for a delicate biopsie, I am so happy. I know how good but good those Turkey trained doctors are, having done 3 years compulsory combat medecine, each one of them. The best doctors I ever met.

[DeDukshyn]

For the Toronto van driver, If I rely on the name of the killer, this sounds rather Armenian name. Which would make him orthodox christian. Not an Arab nor a Muslim.

Then this is not terrorism. :clapping:

Oh thank goodness! whew! close one there!

... oh wait ... 10 people are still dead ... but at least it wan't a terrorist, or that would be just horrible!


And Flash yes, the reality is that it is always someone who has snapped, gone crazy, had a horrible upbringing, was indoctrinated from birth, can't get laid, or what have you ... whether it's a Muslim or not, these are the things that drive crazy people of any culture, well, crazy enough to do stupid **** like this.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

When it's a white man it's a misunderstanding, a mentally challenged, disturbed soul.

When it's a brown man, it's terrorism.

Yet CNN is so quick to pull the Social Justice card...

I'm not so keen on that pattern. Terrorism implies an ideology advanced by fear/terror, like Islam, for example. Simply being white does not imply an ideology, believe it or not. It seems to me the anti-white hatred has gotten bad enough, including on CNN, and your response here guilt-tripping white men for not being actual terrorists is just one more example of that ideology unfortunately finding fertile ground in many minds today.

There are two common patterns to mass attacks, and MSM never gives serious criticisms to either of them: Islam, and prescription anti-depressants. Either someone is on jihad for Allah or else they are bombed out of their head on Xanax. Examples that are neither one nor the other are very hard to come by.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

1. Dedushkyn: yes I do sometimes have enough of Americans not knowing anything about other countries, including Canada - but in reality, it has nothing to do with We-R-One personnally and overall, this forum is quite good. (this is not a competiton)

Let's say I work in a steel factory in Ohio, for example, and I'm only marginally interested in domestic politics. I get paid, raise a household, and am responsible for keeping my affairs in order. Why should I care what is happening in other countries anyway? If it's not of direct concern to me? I find it an interesting presumption that one is almost a bad person and certainly a bad American if they don't study other cultures of the world, as if we are in particular need of learning from others, specifically those outside of our borders, as if we are in particular need of changing rather than the rest of the world.

I've studied lots of other cultures, and outside of Taoism, Zen Buddhism, and Hinduism, I don't think anything else I've ever studied or came across is of any real intellectual merit whatsoever over what we already have widely available here. Certainly Marxist ideology is of no value, so Europe can keep that. I don't find voodoo or foreign shamanism particularly crucial to society either. I am still trying to figure out what foreigners think Americans are supposed to see that is supposed to make us all go, "Aha! We've been living like cave men for 200 years! Now our eyes are opened!," but so far I'm just not seeing what it's supposed to be that I'm missing here.

[Flash]

Hey man, we are in an international forum with supposedly open minded people here. I am not talking of the mill worker in Ohio.

And how but how how how presumptuous "I don't think anything else I've ever studied or came across is of any real intellectual merit whatsoever over what we already have widely available here" this sentence is. That shows exactly, precisely what I was talking about.

You have become a prime example, how interesting.

USA is the top of the materialistic food chain actually, and has its material richness thanks to other countries being dam poor and servicing the mega American companies, but truly, USA is far from the epitomy of knowledge.

How arrogant of you, on a personal basis this time around, to write something like this, because I know it is not share by most forum members, this form of thinking/writing.

What an ego!

American who have traveled or truly seen abroad or just those with open heart and mind, would never write something like this.

You are blind man, and as long as you do not admit it, you will not be able to administer to yourself the red pill. Blind men miss the light.

American are supposed to see beyond their US nose if the world is to work genuinely. And stop thinking in a dichotomy leading constantly to war and killing by making others less than tem, and often the enemy. They have to stop acting like an empire and start acting like a republic.

Seen from an outsider point of view, the uneductation in American is really astonishing. Having sooooo much money and wealth and using it for eating, getting sick and other stupid stuff. From a mission of being the light of the world, it is turned to be the bowels - spiritually speaking.

And I am not accusing the poor mill worker who had to go the path its own society is giving him.

But definitely you, here on this forum, definitely yes, what is going on with your aculturation??? Come on......

An no, i WILL NOT DISCUSS WITH YOU any longer period. You have shown your cards here. i do not feed those who cannot understand or do not want to evolve.





1. Dedushkyn: yes I do sometimes have enough of Americans not knowing anything about other countries, including Canada - but in reality, it has nothing to do with We-R-One personnally and overall, this forum is quite good. (this is not a competiton)

Let's say I work in a steel factory in Ohio, for example, and I'm only marginally interested in domestic politics. I get paid, raise a household, and am responsible for keeping my affairs in order. Why should I care what is happening in other countries anyway? If it's not of direct concern to me? I find it an interesting presumption that one is almost a bad person and certainly a bad American if they don't study other cultures of the world, as if we are in particular need of learning from others, specifically those outside of our borders, as if we are in particular need of changing rather than the rest of the world.

I've studied lots of other cultures, and outside of Taoism, Zen Buddhism, and Hinduism, I don't think anything else I've ever studied or came across is of any real intellectual merit whatsoever over what we already have widely available here. Certainly Marxist ideology is of no value, so Europe can keep that. I don't find voodoo or foreign shamanism particularly crucial to society either. I am still trying to figure out what foreigners think Americans are supposed to see that is supposed to make us all go, "Aha! We've been living like cave men for 200 years! Now our eyes are opened!," but so far I'm just not seeing what it's supposed to be that I'm missing here.

[DeDukshyn]

1. Dedushkyn: yes I do sometimes have enough of Americans not knowing anything about other countries, including Canada - but in reality, it has nothing to do with We-R-One personnally and overall, this forum is quite good. (this is not a competiton)

Let's say I work in a steel factory in Ohio, for example, and I'm only marginally interested in domestic politics. I get paid, raise a household, and am responsible for keeping my affairs in order. Why should I care what is happening in other countries anyway? If it's not of direct concern to me? I find it an interesting presumption that one is almost a bad person and certainly a bad American if they don't study other cultures of the world, as if we are in particular need of learning from others, specifically those outside of our borders, as if we are in particular need of changing rather than the rest of the world.
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Well this is getting off topic, but here's my take on why this is a problem: Media. Plain and simple. Whether you are a steel worker in Ohio or not, you will be exposed to American news. So you will learn about about other countries regardless, through this medium. So what's wrong with the news being the sole provider of information about other countries? I think the answer to that is obvious. It is also obvious to people in other countries - especially Canada because we get all American news here as well, that American news media is rife with extreme bias, propaganda, and corporate lobbying that only some Americans see in their own news media outlets. So whether Americans care about other countries or not is not really the issue as much as those who say they don't care will still have opinions about other countries based from the messages given to them through their media outlets. It is really quite obvious that many, many Americans only knowledge of other countries is what crap their news outlets have spouted about them and nothing more than that.

Actually learning and researching about other countries and cultures in legitimate ways raises one above all these issues and makes one impervious to this trap.

Basing a "value" around your implications that "Europe is Marxist therefore I have no value in learning anything about Europe" just shows it all ... No need to really carry this conversation on further. Your argument just really made yourself and if we extrapolate (but we won't), all Americans, look really bad. Better just stop trying to defend this and lets get back to the topic of this thread.

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[we-R-one]

Listen, I think there’s waay too much reading into people’s posts. I think Voice gave a response that he thought was fair. I haven’t had time to get on here, but I was going to state something similar….Americans are very caught up in just surviving right now. For many years we’ve been subjected to all kinds of hardships that have affected people’s earning potential. Some are working 2 maybe even 3 jobs to make ends meet, many have kids, many are now quite ill thanks to the poisonous vaccines and food we’ve been subjected to, not to mention the ridiculous wars our ‘deep state’ proponents like to sign us up for,…. the last thing people are worried about, is what’s going on in other countries as like Voice said, ‘If it’s not a direct concern to me’….This is not meant as an insult, it’s just how it is right now.

Something else I was going to add, Canada’s population base is one-tenth of ours, one tenth! When you have a land mass the size we do combined with a huge population base it poses all kinds of challenges for those who live here that smaller population based countries may never experience. We have to drive everywhere and do not have the time saving mass transit like other countries. If you haven’t traveled around, or lived in America for long periods of time, this may be something one hasn’t considered. You have to experience it in order to be able to put it in the proper perspective. It’s been suggested the population of Canada is comparable to the state of California. Canada shows a population of approx. 35million compared to The United States being over 300 million, that’s a big difference.

I took Voice’s post in ‘general’ context, not just for people in this forum which makes total sense for one giving an over-view.



So whether Americans care about other countries or not is not really the issue as much as those who say they don't care will still have opinions about other countries based from the messages given to them through their media outlets. It is really quite obvious that many, many Americans only knowledge of other countries is what crap their news outlets have spouted about them and nothing more than that.

Well wouldn’t it be the same for you and others from various countries who don't have access to easy travel and/or are living on huge land masses? Unless one is continually traveling to the same country how would they even know what’s going on in said country? What’s your own source of information? Again our land mass is huge, we do not have the luxury to fly conveniently from one country to the next as say the Europeans do. We don't get 8 weeks vacation like some countries where there's time to explore. Many can barely afford to feed their families more-less travel.

I'd respond more but I'm outta time.

Edit to Add: In response to this: Actually learning and researching about other countries and cultures in legitimate ways raises one above all these issues and makes one impervious to this trap.

And how is one to do this while working several jobs, raising children, going to school, driving long hours to work, etc??? It sounds all good but what you might not realize, people don't have the time and it falls under the ‘If it’s not a direct concern to me’…remark.

[Tam]

When it's a white man it's a misunderstanding, a mentally challenged, disturbed soul.

When it's a brown man, it's terrorism.

Yet CNN is so quick to pull the Social Justice card...

I'm not so keen on that pattern. Terrorism implies an ideology advanced by fear/terror, like Islam, for example. Simply being white does not imply an ideology, believe it or not. It seems to me the anti-white hatred has gotten bad enough, including on CNN, and your response here guilt-tripping white men for not being actual terrorists is just one more example of that ideology unfortunately finding fertile ground in many minds today.

There are two common patterns to mass attacks, and MSM never gives serious criticisms to either of them: Islam, and prescription anti-depressants. Either someone is on jihad for Allah or else they are bombed out of their head on Xanax. Examples that are neither one nor the other are very hard to come by.

It was not my intention to espouse hatred or disdain of white people (or any kind of race/ethnicity) in any way whatsoever. And I absolutely was not guilt-tripping anyone. I understand where you're coming from, but rest assured, I do not follow that inane ideology. I was too vague and curt in my statement, which is 100% my bad. I should have seen how it could have been misinterpreted. But I stand by what I said, however poorly worded it was, and I'll explain myself in more detail below.

For starters, I was merely stating the fact that, in mainstream American culture, and indeed systemically, white people get a pass that other ethnicities, especially black people, do not get. It's called white privilege, and it's very real. A lot of people don't think it's a thing. Those people are wrong, and, not coincidentally, usually white. The thing about white privilege is that it bleeds into everything and is very nuanced. Like sexism, it's something that isn't in-your-face the vast majority of the time. But it's there.

A lot of white people don't realize it exists because, well, they benefit from it, and part of that benefit is world that is generally more friendly and trusting towards them. So, for lack of a better word, they live in a little bubble, blissfully ignorant. Now, to be absolutely clear: I do NOT think white people should feel guilty in any way for crimes of the past, or in any way held responsible. I don't think white people are the root cause of all the world's problems. I do think, however, that generally, white people lack self-awareness about what whiteness means in today's world. And self-awareness is key.

Now, am I saying there is no racism against white people, or that white people don't struggle? Of course not. That would be totally absurd. But saying that there aren't obvious advantages to being white, especially in America, is also totally absurd. Because there are.

Ask any black person if they've encountered racism, and I guarantee you, they will all have plenty of examples. The thing about racism is that it doesn't have to be glaringly obvious as, say, Jim Crow laws or KKK lynchings. Those days are largely over. But the shadow of it still darkens America, in its underbelly and to its core. An example: I had a black friend back in high school. When hanging out with him, I noticed that people would behave differently. If shopping, we would be watched, when I was always left alone when going to those stores without him. When walking by, women would often clutch their purses. Or, in school, he would get in trouble far more often, and penalized more severely, for infractions that other peers would get off free. It was a daily occurrence.

Now, about the anti-white hatred thing. That part's tricky. On one hand, I completely see where you're coming from. People have been more vocal about their distaste of white people as a whole. But I don't think it's as big as a problem as it's made out to be. The Buzzfeed SJW types are a minority, albeit an obnoxious, aggressive, loud one. The vast majority of people I meet and speak to, in my experience, don't think that the White Man is to blame or that wearing a Chinese prom dress to is cultural appropriation. The easily-offended, radical PC types are very much an undercurrent, but I really do believe they're nothing to start getting concerned over. They've probably been here for a lot longer than the past decade or so. It's just that now, in the connected world, with social media and twitter and reddit, it seems that there's more anti-white hate. And I also believe that's all by design.

To me, it seems that the MSM just blows it, like many things, way out of proportion, to fracture this already divided country even more. To distract us from how powerful it is to be united, and see just how deeply rotten America's system is. CNN is guilty of it just as much as Fox news is. The MSM in general is a joke, a carefully orchestrated narrative that comes in two flavors: Democrat and Republican. But at the end of the day, both groups suck, and the same can be said about the MSM. So regarding that, you and I are on the same page.

Finally, about the terrorism thing, I mostly agree. Terrorism is tricky to define. Some say to be terrorism, something has to be organized and backed up by a political motive. And while those kinds of acts are certainly what I would call terrorism, I don't think it has to be as black-and-white as that.

A perfect example is the Austin bombings that had the city in a frenzy in March. I live in Austin, so I remember it all very clearly.

When they caught the bomber, it turned out to be a young white man, someone who, since early adolescence, had been totally unhinged, believing absurd things like how gays should be deported, abortion punishable by execution, and that America should protect its "heritage".

This kid blew up a father in front of his 7 year-old daughter, as well as a 17-year old musical prodigy, in front of his mother. He injured several other innocents as well.

His reason? He thought America had hit rock-bottom, and just snapped.

When they finally caught him and he (supposedly) blew himself up, headlines said he was a mentally challenged, disturbed young man. Which is true. But the whole time, they didn't once throw out the term terrorist.

People started getting mad, myself included. As far as I'm concerned, what that kid did was terrorism. This guy was a radical, unhinged psychopath that lost it one day and murdered people, all because he felt the world no longer aligned with his backwards beliefs. He crafted bombs, planting them throughout the city, mailing them to innocent, random people, all because, in his mind, they didn't follow his backwards beliefs. What is that, if not terrorism? Because the ideology is there. The bombs and innocent bloodshed is there.

Yet they didn't call him a terrorist until they started receiving tons of flak online.

Then, suddenly, overnight, the headlines changed. The Chief of Police issued an apology.

That is why the MSM wants you to believe all kinds of ****, like how white people are under siege, or there's nothing wrong with doping up kids on drugs, or why liberals/conservatives are what tore America apart.

It's easier to control us that way.

[Ernie Nemeth]

All I see is that the most horrendous act on Canadian soil in twenty years occurred and this thread has been derailed! Of course it is nothing compared to what other countries have had to endure. But for us Canadians, for us Torontonians, this is a tragedy of epic proportions.

Canada's flag has been at half mast now for over two weeks...

[we-R-one]

for your information, the information in my country is, in my views, less limited than in yours (although barely) and also less biaised, imo. Over and above, because of language diversity, I have access to information from all over the world, Europe, South America, name it. I am not from backwards bushes without information and I certainly have as much education and knowledge about all deemed "fringe" stuff as there can be in both our societies.

But here,in your thread, if I am not mistaken, we are talking of something that happened in my country, 5 hours drive from my home, with witnesses that I may meet anytime given the opportunity. I know the politics of my country, the ways of living and thinking in my country and the way immigrants integrate or not in it. I also know the proportion of Muslim immigrants versus other origins and which Muslim country they are mainly from in Toronto or in Montreal (they are from vastly different middle eastern/north African countries). And I also know that surnames ending by "ian" are moslty from Armenian origins, Armenians being Orthodox Christian usually. Those are the advantages of living in a multi-cultural city.

I hesitated to reply to your comment, not wanting to antagonize, but really, "have less information" in my country is really almost funny. This seem to be a limited knowledge of Canada and its cities.

Hey Flash, you’re completely blowing my comments out of proportion and I don’t get why some of you Canadians on this forum seem to have an inferiority complex making implications that one country is better over another in various comments as if it’s some competition between the U.S and Canada. At least that’s the perception I get from some of the posts and how they’re written.

I don’t know what you know, and I don’t claim to know what type of articles you read in regards to what’s going on in other countries. So to assume as such would be silly of me, which is why I was merely offering the information we had been told here, that you may or may not be aware of because your ‘information might be limited’….there’s no suggestion in my post that you aren’t knowledgeable or that your country is inferior.

I think you’re way overreacting and reading into my post, implications that just aren’t there. I have traveled to other countries and I’ve noticed how skewed their news is pertaining to things happening in my country and I can see the slant given in stories so the locals of said country walk away with a conditioned perception that isn’t necessarily the truth about what’s going on and why. It is with that in mind, I said what I said because I don’t know what you’re being told and I don’t know what kind of articles you're reading.

First off, I was going to respond to Flash and say that we-R-one likely just left that comment really out of a genuine not knowing. Americans don't really know much about Canada and we have to accept that and not get offended, it's just a reality; I totally got your comment regarding that, but at the same time, Canadians are a little frustrated that Americans don't know us better (not that you need to), just another reality.

Second, it seems that your reaction to the blown out of proportion reaction, was a little out of proportion itself. Made me chuckle a bit.

Third, and just for general information, Canada gets all the same news outlets that Americans do (almost shoved down our throats), we get all your "news" channels on our cable and much of our own news media is based around yours. So anything that Americans know from the "news" sources, Canadians also know. Apparently this isn't common knowledge. :)

A bit of a disclaimer, I am from western Canada, and I assume the same of Quebec but Canada is pretty diverse so that assumption might not always be 100% on point, but in this case I'm pretty sure it is.

I now have a bit of time and wanted to address these earlier comments. In the same token you guys think Americans don’t understand Canadians, the same can be said of you based on your written remarks. The difference I see, we don’t hold Canadians to the same expectations you appear to hold us. I’m not going to get all offended and emotional because someone doesn’t understand my country….I don’t expect them too and what’s the basis of my reasoning?....It would be presumptuous and arrogant for me to do so……. So what I’m also saying in the same statement is, you guys sound presumptuous and arrogant in your expectations……which might not be your intention, but honestly, that’s how it reads to me whether you’re aware of it or not. And you like to believe you’re so well versed on our country, but your comments suggest to me you don’t understand what it’s like to live amongst an enormous population base, nor have you considered what Americans have had to endure the past several years, which is why you’re having a hard time understanding our seemingly lack of interest in your country or other countries for that matter.

Regardless, I’m not butt hurt about it…..and it would be unfair and ignorant of me to think otherwise, imo.

Which goes to my next point DeDukshyn, my statements to Flash aren’t overblown, I took the time to explain in greater detail because she apparently completely misunderstood why I said what I said. So if I don’t explain enough, my post is misconstrued, if I explain too much than you’re suggesting I’m blowing things out of proportion or someone will claim it’s too long to read, blah, blah, blah..….seriously?? Is this some kind of ‘special needs’ remedial forum I don’t know about, with specific writing requirements? Apparently I didn’t get the memo….lmao…. Understand I’m laughing right now, because this type of reasoning seems silly and ridiculous. I thought it was pretty generous of me to even take the time to explain after I was blasted, but of course I’ll get no acknowledgment for making the effort to walk on egg shells.

I do appreciate Flash apologizing and I have no hard feelings about it. Like any normal human I can get annoyed at times, however, I don’t seem to make use of the grudge carrying gene. Warning….I do have the ‘eye rolling’ gene, however its internal and with much constraint I try at all costs to control my smacking the forehead gene. :doh:

And speaking of clarifying more…. In one of the articles I posted about the accident in Toronto, it stated, “under Canadian law, officials can now hide backgrounds & religions of killers from public.” Well I won’t arrogantly ‘claim’ to know your laws, or how your media is allowed to operate, I have enough laws of my own to worry about(remember, our population base is huge, which means many laws)…so with that in my mind, it made me wonder what else isn’t ‘allowed’ to be posted in your articles and if that’s the case, likely your viewpoint will be skewed because your information might be limited .…so going back to my initial comment, it’s why I took the position I did because for all I knew, you might not have any awareness that a lot of the shootings taking place in our country are more likely to be false flags than just a person going crazy because it seems you have laws in place dictating what can be reported. Clearly my reasoning went right over everyone’s head, which is why I feel the need to spell it out even more. There was an awful lot of consideration put into my writing with no disrespect intended, but rather intelligent reasoning the point of not being presumptious. Most people would have never even consider making the same effort mind you...


Hey man, we are in an international forum with supposedly open minded people here. I am not talking of the mill worker in Ohio
Well I’m not seeing the open mindedness coming from your posts and I say that with all due respect. I see very arrogant remarks and assumptions rather than taking into consideration what’s being shared. You’re being given an honest assessment of what a person who lives in America perceives and he’s not alone in his assessments.



USA is the top of the materialistic food chain actually, and has its material richness thanks to other countries being dam poor and servicing the mega American companies, but truly, USA is far from the epitomy of knowledge.
Then why so much interest in our country? Why is there such fixation? I find that curious.....FWIW, we’ve had much of our wealth stripped away, jobs shipped overseas due to our globalist taxation practices. Americans are more in debt than you can imagine. The globalist agenda that’s been running our country is responsible for some of America’s poor moves, not the American people, which should be a part of your open mindedness consideration.


How arrogant of you, on a personal basis this time around, to write something like this, because I know it is not share by most forum members, this form of thinking/writing.
What an ego!
In this case I’m finding you to be exactly what you’re accusing Voice of….He takes the time to explain his viewpoint and so have I and because you don’t like the responses you vehemently attack??



American who have traveled or truly seen abroad or just those with open heart and mind, would never write something like this.
Ya they would. You were given a very realistic response. I don’t think you fully understand America or its people as you seem to believe. I’m beginning to think something is getting lost in translation or there might be a cultural hurdle that’s embedded in your belief system combined with skewed reading material influencing your perception. And no, I’m not being mean, I’m being matter of fact trying to understand where the disconnect might be.



American are supposed to see beyond their US nose if the world is to work genuinely. And stop thinking in a dichotomy leading constantly to war and killing by making others less than tem, and often the enemy. They have to stop acting like an empire and start acting like a republic.

Seen from an outsider point of view, the uneductation in American is really astonishing. Having sooooo much money and wealth and using it for eating, getting sick and other stupid stuff. From a mission of being the light of the world, it is turned to be the bowels - spiritually speaking.
Flash how much time have you spent in America? Have you ever spent long periods actually living in different parts of our country? Your lack of compassion says to me you are unaware of what many Americans have had to endure for several years and at varying capacities. The average family isn’t as wealthy as you think. I see a lot of misconceptions in your remarks which says to me wherever you’re sourcing your information to form your viewpoint is somewhat tainted. Americans from different parts of the country will have varied responses based on their experiences and what state they’ve lived in most of their lives and how or if they’ve been able to benefit from living under the long established infrastructure of a corporate framework. Heck some of our states are almost the equivalent of living in another country.


FWIW I have nothing against Canadians. I’ve traveled there a handful of times, most recently was Okanagan Valley. I’ve been on the West side B.C. including Vancouver, Gibsons and Victoria and as far East as the Niagara Falls, however that was a very long time ago. I’d love to see more. I enjoy visiting different countries and I respect their cultures. When I visit other countries, I don't want it to be like the U.S. and that's the pleasure of it.

[DeDukshyn]

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So whether Americans care about other countries or not is not really the issue as much as those who say they don't care will still have opinions about other countries based from the messages given to them through their media outlets. It is really quite obvious that many, many Americans only knowledge of other countries is what crap their news outlets have spouted about them and nothing more than that.

Well wouldn’t it be the same for you and others from various countries who don't have access to easy travel and/or are living on huge land masses? Unless one is continually traveling to the same country how would they even know what’s going on in said country? What’s your own source of information? Again our land mass is huge, we do not have the luxury to fly conveniently from one country to the next as say the Europeans do. We don't get 8 weeks vacation like some countries where there's time to explore. Many can barely afford to feed their families more-less travel.

Canadian's do love travel, but as to how many actually do outside of North America compared to Americans per capita can't be hugely different, but maybe it is ... I don't have those stats. Canadians, generally have a bit of a natural fire in them to learn as much about everything that they can - and of course learning about other cultures is probably the main part of that. It doesn't have to necessarily be travel. It's about understanding that we are only a small part of this much larger home called earth, and about understanding our fellow family members who share this home. Travel is just one method to obtain some of that info. Our vast diversification in culture likely helps us understand other cultures as well. I don't think the USA has that same diversification.



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Edit to Add: In response to this: Actually learning and researching about other countries and cultures in legitimate ways raises one above all these issues and makes one impervious to this trap.

And how is one to do this while working several jobs, raising children, going to school, driving long hours to work, etc??? It sounds all good but what you might not realize, people don't have the time and it falls under the ‘If it’s not a direct concern to me’…remark.

Fair point but, I didn't say you had to ... Canadians have to do all those things too, but I think really what I am trying to say is, whatever one thinks they have learned from American (news) media outlets about other countries and cultures is not appropriate to form any opinion about other countries with; real research (or preferably experience) has to be the basis of an opinion, and if one can't do that, that is fine, but then one shouldn't be trying to form opinions about other countries period. It's about knowing what you don't know and acting appropriately around that.

I myself have never traveled beyond north America, but I feel I do know much about other cultures, because I ask questions. I worked with a very traditional Sikh guy once (kirpan, huge iron bracelets, the works) and drilled him constantly about his religion and culture until I felt I understood it - probably asked some stupid questions along the way, but he was more than happy to share and answer my dumb questions - actually ended up becoming a good friend. I have done the same with almost everyone of another culture I meet. I choose to learn this. It can be done without extensive travel.

The "I don't need to learn anything about Europe because Europe is marxist and I already know marxism" attitude that a voice tried to justify not needing to learn about anything non-american -- I just don't know where to begin about what is wrong with that attitude. If that is typical of Americans, then I trust one can see why many non-Americans hold a particular view of Americans regarding other cultures. I trust this isn't typical.

But again, and at Ernie's prodding, I think we should get this thread back on topic ...

PS On you post just above -- make note I was defending your genuine "not knowing", and right to have that "not-knowing". But also, I was explaining why it might be possible for someone like flash (who now admitted her obvious overreaction) to have that overreaction she put forth - I wasn't defending it. That was my only intent of that post, nothing more. :)

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[MrBlack420]

Oh my God. I hate when such stories happen.

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I just wondered if anyone else noticed that the van is very white and very clean having just run over 18 people, killing ten; without a speck of blood, shred of clothing or clump of hair anywhere. The windshield has miraculously remained unbroken despite having bodies slam into it. The officer who took the suspect into custody single handed seems a little odd in the sense that he maybe should have waited until back-up arrived not knowing if this guy was armed or had a bomb in the van. The downtown Toronto area is covered with surveillance cameras and the entire spree should have been video taped but yet there seems to be none or they haven't released it. Just wondered if anyone else noticed this?

[Ernie Nemeth]

There were two grandmas mowed down. A single mother in her thirties. A youngster. All gone because of a lunatic who thought he might just take out a few civilisns on his way to jail.
Disgusting and despicable and vile.
Almost pure evil.

[DeDukshyn]

I just wondered if anyone else noticed that the van is very white and very clean having just run over 18 people, killing ten; without a speck of blood, shred of clothing or clump of hair anywhere. The windshield has miraculously remained unbroken despite having bodies slam into it. The officer who took the suspect into custody single handed seems a little odd in the sense that he maybe should have waited until back-up arrived not knowing if this guy was armed or had a bomb in the van. The downtown Toronto area is covered with surveillance cameras and the entire spree should have been video taped but yet there seems to be none or they haven't released it. Just wondered if anyone else noticed this?

Your tinfoil hat might have been a bit too tight when you wrote that ... :) <in jest>

Apparently Global did release footage of an old lady getting mowed over to a massive backlash from the public. The family of one of the victims claimed Global was "Harassing the families of the victims" by airing it. So if you want a reason as to why "they" may not want to plaster people dead and dying from such an event all over the news, this might be it.

https://www.blogto.com/city/2018/04/new-video-van-attack-sidewalk-toronto/

The footage with a blurry spot to hide the nastiness ...
https://globalnews.ca/news/4170272/toronto-van-attacker-new-video-sidewalk/

This stuff happens occasionally, it's not that far "off the rails" that someone in a vehicle goes mental and uses it as a weapon. If you are thinking false flag, then think about the motivation (motivation has to be a primary driver for such theories). If this was a false flag, the driver would have been Muslim, admitted ties with ISIS and would have been shouting "jihad!!" or "Allah Akbar!!" while driving through the streets. This would motivate hatred for people against the "muslim" culture, or who look brown, which would carry out as intended the divide and conquer strategies that the elite are using against us right now.

-OR-

The guy would have been shooting with his "hunting rifle" at countless citizens, so that the government might have support for building another long gun registry.

Neither of those happened and there appears to be no real motivation. No conspiracy here ... just a tragedy.

:focus:

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Hey man, we are in an international forum with supposedly open minded people here. I am not talking of the mill worker in Ohio.

And how but how how how presumptuous "I don't think anything else I've ever studied or came across is of any real intellectual merit whatsoever over what we already have widely available here" this sentence is. That shows exactly, precisely what I was talking about.

You know Flash, there was a CNN reporter who went to India to hang out with nudist Hindu cannibals because he thought he was being open-minded and tolerant and edgy, but in the end they just threw their poop at him and threatened to eat him.

I have no problem standing by my statement, that you partially cropped, that outside of a few very old and deep Asian philosophies (Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism), I have yet to come across any intellectual or cultural achievement from anywhere else that has really had any major impact on how I think, that isn't already available in Western culture in some form.

If we are all brutally honest with ourselves, I think we could actually all agree, that there probably isn't a whole lot of value that we're going to learn from people who eat each other, or fling poo at each other, for example, or who perhaps still convict and execute people on charges of witchcraft, or who cut peoples' hands off for petty theft, stone adulterers to death, perform "honor killings," etc. etc.

The reason we stopped doing all that barbaric and savage stuff is because we were open-minded. Going back to it can't be open-mindedness too.


USA is the top of the materialistic food chain actually, and has its material richness thanks to other countries being dam poor and servicing the mega American companies, but truly, USA is far from the epitomy of knowledge.

The idea that the US rose to power or became as wealthy as it is by taking advantage of people in other countries is a myth. In the 1950's we were exporting cheap and quality-made American products to third world countries that were revolutionary to those societies. The idea that the US became a world power because of slave labor is also a myth. I would be happy to talk in more detail about either of them if you really believe this stuff that you're saying, that the US is only as powerful and rich as it is because we just steal and take it from everyone. Come on Flash.


American are supposed to see beyond their US nose if the world is to work genuinely.

As an American I am confused why you think that we have an obligation to please anyone other than ourselves, and why you think you are unable of running your own affairs.

I have been an advocate of withdrawing our troops back to the US and getting out of other countries' business for years. Now we are finally starting to do that, and what, now you want us to interfere in your affairs more or something? I don't want a one world government, so I don't want to worry about other countries' affairs. We have enough to worry about.


Seen from an outsider point of view, the uneductation in American is really astonishing. Having sooooo much money and wealth and using it for eating, getting sick and other stupid stuff. From a mission of being the light of the world, it is turned to be the bowels - spiritually speaking.

At this point in my life I have come to interpret the unending barrage of such comments from foreigners as an expression of simple jealousy. I have never in my life felt such need to criticize the society of other nations as so many foreigners seem to have to criticize the US lol.


And I am not accusing the poor mill worker who had to go the path its own society is giving him.

Why does everyone have to be a victim, Flash? The mill worker example I gave, I wasn't belittling such a person. I respect those kinds of people. I think their focus and sense of responsibility in life is admirable. The idea of having to "accuse" someone for what he is doing with his life is incomprehensible to me. There is nothing wrong with being a mill worker.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

It's called white privilege, and it's very real.

So are sin and the fires of hell if you believe in that sort of thing. What you are describing is a philosophy of victimhood mentality where everyone is victimized by whites and white people can't do anything about it because they're inherently racist just by the fact that they exist in this theoretical concept of "privilege."

I have seen all the theoretical basis for this crap stemming from critical theory, which in turn comes from the Frankfurt School, a bunch of Zionists operating out of interwar Germany who were focused on how they could deconstruct every traditional element of western society so they could recreate it from scratch. Third wave feminism, "intersectional theory," transgenderism and the idea of a rainbow of genders all come from the same people. These are people who claim that there is no genetic basis for race or gender, that these are merely intellectual constructs that we are powerful enough to create out of thin air, yet obesity is a genetic problem and obese people have little or no responsibility over their weight. That is all from the same school of thought, Marxist "critical theory," as the idea of white privilege.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Basing a "value" around your implications that "Europe is Marxist therefore I have no value in learning anything about Europe" just shows it all ... No need to really carry this conversation on further. Your argument just really made yourself and if we extrapolate (but we won't), all Americans, look really bad. Better just stop trying to defend this and lets get back to the topic of this thread.

Except I never said that, so you are going on about something I never said. :P

I study other cultures constantly through historical research. The context of what I said above is that this idea that many multiculturalists seem to have, that by studying foreign cultures I am suddenly going to become enlightened about how stupid I am as an American. The idea becomes a twisted excuse for why "backwards" conservative Americans simply don't conform to the leftist ideal of "progress," and by exposure to foreign cultures I think what some people really want is either a self-repudiation from Americans or else to be patted on the head for what a good job everyone else has done.

If people actually study world cultures in detail, most of what they actually find is going to consist of unsavory stuff, from extreme poverty to cannibalism and brutal systems of law and government. The West is pampered and spoiled compared to most of the world and that is what truly comes out.

[Tangri]

When it's a white man it's a misunderstanding, a mentally challenged, disturbed soul.

When it's a brown man, it's terrorism.

Yet CNN is so quick to pull the Social Justice card...

I'm not so keen on that pattern. Terrorism implies an ideology advanced by fear/terror, like Islam, for example. Simply being white does not imply an ideology, believe it or not. It seems to me the anti-white hatred has gotten bad enough, including on CNN, and your response here guilt-tripping white men for not being actual terrorists is just one more example of that ideology unfortunately finding fertile ground in many minds today.

There are two common patterns to mass attacks, and MSM never gives serious criticisms to either of them: Islam, and prescription anti-depressants. Either someone is on jihad for Allah or else they are bombed out of their head on Xanax. Examples that are neither one nor the other are very hard to come by.

I just find out your incredible authorized ruling.

"There are two common patterns to mass attacks, and MSM never gives serious criticisms to either of them: Islam, and prescription anti-depressants"

Probably you have very strong opinion on Twin towers (9 /11) and Las Vegas shooting. ;)

You should see how FBI cleaned the concert area. :idea:

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Probably you have very strong opinion on Twin towers (9 /11) and Las Vegas shooting. ;)

Yes, an "inside job" involving multiple parties, and an ISIS attack (multiple gunmen) coinciding with an attempted assassination of the Saudi crown prince at one of the neighboring hotels.

Is that what you expected me to say?

[Frenchy]

edit ;

This was not a cop responding to false flag either - I think they do not keep the killer alive when it is false flag.

Lovely to see such clarity of Mind, Mate ! You're exactly right, the Patsy always gets Murdered too...

I find an irony in JFK, where Judyth Vary Baker's boyfriend, Harvey gets murdered by Jack Ruby, then Ruby gets murdered by Judyth's Six-day Cancer she developed :-))
Funny old World...

Let me add too, just as the Christmas Refuse Lorry Driver killed people in Edinburgh, maybe this Driver was also being Kontrolled by MSK ( Mind-to-Scull ) equipment... No longer should we ass u me the perpetrator is the one with intent ? ?

[DaveToo]

edit ;

This was not a cop responding to false flag either - I think they do not keep the killer alive when it is false flag.


Canadian cops don't take the same crash courses (no pun intended) in patsy elimination that U.S. cops do.
Much more civil here. :)

[Frenchy]

Spot one !