Link between WiFi and quality of life. Personal observations.

[Iloveyou]

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Personal observations regarding the link between WiFi and quality of life:

I got my first computer, a notebook in 2010 and used it in a very limited way. Mainly for university study groups, researching literature, for booking a flight or sending a mail (rarely) every now and then. I watched videos and interviews on spirituality, PC interviews, listened a bit to music and joined PA in 2014. Time spent in front of thè screen was short. That changed when I discovered alternative media (in English and German). But the worst thing I did (one of the worst decisions in my life) was to buy an iPad and activate WiFi in my apartment in 2016. Since then WiFi was on 24/7 and the iPad rested next to my bed like a kiddie’s teddybear, always available. I started to develop a kind of affection and emotional relationship with the thing.

My apartment is one out of 20 in a 120 year old house (with thick walls, enough space and a good feeling of privacy) and it always was a haven of peace and stillness for me (like the other places I’ve lived before, too). No tv, no cell-phone, no micro wave. I was always very cautious of what I surrounded myself with and managed to hold a relaxing, healing space in the middle of a hellhole of a city (energetically speaking). People appreciated that.

Since 2016 that has changed. I got more and more trapped in a state of feeling weak, unsecure and nervous, irritable and aggressive, with periods of hopelessness and depression - which I had rarely known before. Had always been a stable and strong person. I knew how to protect myself in an environment perceived as toxic or dangerous. And most of all: in my private life there was no reason for feeling that way. On the contrary, things were good and getting better.

Since then I also noticed an enormous amount of dust accumulating in the rooms. No, not the harmless dust you find on bookshelves which have not been touched for a while. More a mix of dust, lint and fibers, things of oily, smudgy, metallic and sharp quality crawling across the floors. I felt increasingly aggressive and helpless against - and personally threatend by that ... hm ... kind of energetic entity? Cleaning up helped only for one or two hours, then it started accumulating again. This was entirely different from the usual air pollution in cities. The place felt like massively electrostatically charged.

What I perceive is not only a toxic substance or a harmful frequency, it has consciousness.

It is conscious. The closest I’ve come across that would describe the issue I think I’m dealing with was presented by Harald Kautz-Vella.

Even if I turn off WiFi, I’m surrounded by the field activated in all other apartments, buildings, all the cell-phone towers and who knows what kind of EMF’s we are bombarded with. Most likely there are many factors contributing to that bad energetic condition. Living so close to / so intimately with the wifi router (turned on all the time) and the device was - I think - only the deciding factor to break an already fragile balance, and to destroy the safe, healthy space I had created.

Numerous times I’ve read here on PA, too: turn off WiFi! I knew it is harmful. Apparently a certain degree of psychological strain is necessary for some people until they react, against their better knowledge.

I’m just starting to go through Kautz-Vella’s videos again and if I manage to summarize a few aspects, I will share it. This topic has been coming up already many times here, I know. I need to research it from the start and by and by I’ll add the topic-related links. Of course help in adding relevant info and personal experience is very much appreciated.

[Tam]

You know, this is something I've thought about often. And at 22, Wi-Fi is my life. Beyond just the personal addiction all of us young pe biople have, I literally cannot work, or study for school because of it. It is a REQUIREMENT for everything from paying taxes and bills, to college, and every job I've worked, even as a hostess at a restaurant.

My mother had a 2-year period about 5 or so years ago where she would get head-splitting migraines on a regular basis. There would be times where for weeks at a time, she'd be in non-functional pain, and no amount of pain killers or water or good food would help. The only thing that worked was going to the ER (hospital), and getting a special injection that was a very, very heavy painkiller. Unfortunately, in America, where everything is a business, we could do this rarely, because it cost us thousands of dollars each time (which my mother refused to pay, and took the credit hit for instead, which, since America is a business and the entire system is based off of credit, meant she couldn't get loans for cars, houses, or even apply for uni if she wanted to. Luckily we had a house and car already).

Anyway, I'm getting off track, but we noticed that her migraines would be triggered by very strong Wi-Fi signals. I'm not sure why it only impacted her to that degree during that period, and not others, since to this day, Wi-Fi is on in the house at all times, and living in a major city, all around us. Maybe some ISP was putting up a new cellular tower in the area. Maybe they were testing a new type of frequency, without disclosing it. Maybe something more insidious than that.

But there was definitely a correlation between that and the Wi-Fi. If we would lower our frequency, or outright unplug the router, her headaches would subside to an extent (so of course, we had it off a lot). But then our neighbor got a new router, a nice one, and his connection was so strong, we could connect to it if we had the password, which we did as he was a friend. Mind you, we lived in houses, so it didn't have to just go through a shared Wal or two.

It took months for us to notice the correlation, particularly with the neighbor (he then weakened his signal), but here's the craziest part:

My mother could taste the Wi-Fi.

Now, I know what you're thinking. That's impossible. That makes no sense.

The thing is, my mother had a full-mouth restoration done, with dental implants. She got extremely lucky and met a kind dental surgeon who did her whole mouth for free; in exchange, she would help him out with administrative work for 6 months. To him, it was both out of kindness, and because he wanted to challenge himself by doing it, as she was the worst case he had ever seen. Her teeth were in horrible condition, what was left of them.

We are to this day extremely grateful for what he did; that procedure, at the quality he delivered, would have cost her upwards of 100k USD at the time, and there was no way we would ever afford that; we were poor at the time.

But he did it, and she has had, for years now, a mouth full of very real looking fake teeth, which are literally screwed into her jaw. Sounds gnarly, but it's not that bad. Her teeth are beautiful and look totally natural.

Anyway, with a mouth full of metal, she says her teeth act as a sort of conductor, and she can literally taste Wi-Fi, as it gives a metallic taste in her mouth when a strong signal is nearby. The taste gets more intense the closer she gets.

It's been years since it happened, as far as I can tell, but it's certainly an interesting thought.

I feel like in 30 years, we're going to really start to understand how terrible Wi-Fi is for your health. And by then, it'll be too late.

Whether by design or by folly, I don't know, but it seems there's something fishy about Wi-Fi.

Unfortunately, I cannot escape it in my day-to-day life. I'd have to drive out an hour into the country, and even then, ther are still a couple of cellular towers.

[Valerie Villars]

Indigris, for what it's worth, I believe both you and your mother. There is not a doubt in my mind it could be impacting her in that way.

[Cardillac]

@Iloveyou

"More a mix of dust, lint and fibers, things of oily, smudgy, metallic and sharp quality crawling across the floors"- maybe your (everyone's) Wifi is extremely compatible with/draws on the residue of chemtrails (Ai anyone?)- even having an open window just for a few minutes during/after heavy chemtrailing lets the stuff inside- I just don't think we should rule this out-

take care Iloveyou and all readers!-

Larry

[RunningDeer]

It is conscious. The closest I’ve come across that would describe the issue I think I’m dealing with was presented by Harald Kautz-Vella.
These are three of the several Harald Kautz Vella videos I’ve listen to and downloaded for safekeeping.


Black Goo: Part One
HtAQdxowpYA

Miles Johnston
Published on Jun 28, 2015


There are 2 forms of Black Goo, one made by the earth, and another that was landed here by intention, in a a meteor swarm, 80,000 years ago. Both are sentient and are designed to create life from the materials on the planet. In simple terms, its a "seed" device.

The intelligence that seeded the off world goo, is creating life that is bypassing the natural order, and bringing lifeforms to a higher level of order than they should naturally be. In this case BIG spiders.

In this first of 3 parts, German researcher and discusses smart dust, and the Black Goo. Use of Scalar Physics is discussed, so you will have to pay attention. This is about an extraterrestrial, dimensional Predator species that is silently assimilating humanity, and all life on earth.

Black Goo: Part Two
eKctLpxGbsE

Miles Johnston
Published on Jun 28, 2015


Harald Kautz-Vella continues this detailed interview on the alien Black Goo, concentrating on Morgellons, and the existence of "M State" matter. The creatures comprised of the alien black goo related seem to exist in a partial state of matter, not quite in this dimension. Thus implants in people which are in a translucent fluidic matter.

Smart dust is mentioned.

A short clip of something that is claimed to be derived from the alien black goo is shown.

As with all such matters, detailed scientific results and data is required. If we can get it.

Continues in part 3, on the "AI", all computers have a link via an Artificial Intelligence.



Black Goo: Part Three
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Miles Johnston
Published on Jun 29, 2015


Computer system have a collective intelligence, working under a collective "AI" or artificial intelliegenec. Some financial centres, have a quantum computer , derived from the alien black goo. The square wave signal in computers have a direct connection with this alien black goo, due to their scalar signature. The use of synthetic RNA as a bio-weapon, in Iraq War 2. All point to the creation of a synthetic bio race, with no empathy or 'feelings'.

Smart Dust and Bio Robots. Bio-Photons is the food for these octo-form creatures. But the earth, or mother nature is neutralizing this alien black goo so it has a balanced positive nature. Too bad to be true, too good to be true?

[Franny]

Oh my...wifi and thick dust. I moved to this house in a semi rural area about 2.5 years ago and noticed that there is a heavy coating of dust on the window screens and all surfaces. It's a pale gray and builds up quickly. I even wash it out of my hair each night. My mood has been negatively affected as well.

There are several neighbors with wifi strong enough to sign in with a password. Also have it but rarely use it.

I have wondered if the wifi could be part the issue; now the above posts seem like it's possibly the cause.

Thanks all for bringing this up and posting the videos, I appreciate all the new info on this rather creepy subject and hoping to find a solution that doesn't mean moving - at least for near future :)

[ExomatrixTV]

Research Stop5G.net :sherlock: (http://Stop5G.net)

[RunningDeer]

Of course help in adding relevant info and personal experience is very much appreciated.
Hi ILoveyou,

I’m aware that if I spend too much time on the computer, I experience a range of feelings: sadness, anger, depression and impatience. There are times when it’s important that I disconnect from technology completely to regain the balance. Below are some other practical things I do.

A. Preventive measures to lessen the effects of WiFi exposure and EMF (electromagnetic fields):

No computer nor other electronic devices in the bedroom. I traded out a digital clock that was plugged in across the room for a battery powered clock.

I only bring my 15+ year old cell phone when I go on extended trips. The rest of the time it’s sealed in a mylar bag. I also keep my iPod music devise that has Wifi in a mylar bag.

The WiFi is set up in the furthest place in a room where I spend the least amount of time in. I use aluminum foil to shield it.

In the morning, I leave an object on my pillow to remind me to turn the WiFi off before bedtime.

When I had a printer, I hooked it up the old fashion way, i.e, elected not to set it up with WiFi.


B. Other prevention tips:


I've had an “EarthCalm Home Scalar System” for EMF and WiFi protection, since about 2004. I keep it plugged in where I use my computer.

I’m always working toward less time on the computer. Some days are better than others.

I don’t own a webcam. There's a double layer of masking tape over the built in computer lens.

The TV was tossed 10-15 years ago.

License(s) and credit cards are in sheaths.

The home phone is unplugged.

It's rare that I listen to new age YouTube and many other music videos because I get an instant gut and third-eye reaction to shut them down. If I choose not to, a headache and nauseous feeling confirms my suspicions that they’ve been electrically tampered with.

Plant base, whole foods & filtered water. No Ben & Jerry's since December 24th, 2017.

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[Daozen]

I never trusted Why-fry?. I have a desktop computer at home. I don't feel like microwaving my pelvis or spleen with a laptop.

I got a laptop a couple of weeks back, but only use it for 1-2 hours at a time. Iodine is supposed to be good for warding off radiation. Likewise, Vitamin C and MMS can help immunity. Cold showers are very good for shaking off the electronic sludge from the internet.

There are blockers out there, but I don't know what ones are good, and which are snake-oil. Searching Homemade Wi-fi blocker might bring up some useful results

[TargeT]

Just or an opposite anecdote I've gone on several month+ deployments to areas with zero signal of any sort; never really felt any different other than comming home with a very renewed view of the USA and how lucky we are; even our homeless are better off than 2/3 the world.

Here's where I don't logic this whole topic:

Hormesis (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecTNVvl5cJA)works, we know this... it's been proven countless times. WHY would it not apply here? (it's basically the 80/20 rule in physical expression).

[Mike]

I can't spend longer than 45 mins online. I get terrible brain fog. I feel weak and have all sorts of odd symptoms.

I didn't want to believe it. I was in denial for years.

But like clockwork, right around that 40, 45 minute mark I start to fade...and the symptoms appear.

[RunningDeer]

I can't spend longer than 45 mins online. I get terrible brain fog. I feel weak and have all sorts of odd symptoms.

I didn't want to believe it. I was in denial for years.

But like clockwork, right around that 40, 45 minute mark I start to fade...and the symptoms appear.

http://paula.avalonlibrary.net/smilies/computer-stars.gif My internet speed is one level faster than dial-up so it's frustrating to rewind the video parts I miss. The solution is I download most of the vids. It’s convenient when I need to re-listen to something I didn’t understand or when my mind wanders.

Often, I’ll copy and paste internet articles and Avalon posts and catch up later. It’s an alternative for those sensitive to WiFi. You can turn it off and still be informed.

Aimersoft.com (https://www.aimersoft.com) is the free software company I use to download videos and audio. It’s user friendly with YouTube.

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[Iloveyou]

I’m with you, Indigris. What you say is more than credible. Have already read somewhere about the connection between EMF’s and dental metal.

I do hope your generation (and the next one or two) have not only to deal with that highly artificial environment you are born into, but have also got a different and much more suitable mental and - how do I call it - energetic, spiritual (?) set of inner tools to finally transform it. I can see that already with my daughter’s friends who were just not yet digital natives. We older folk will support you in any way possible. :thumbsup: Blessings and strength to your family.

ExomatrixTV, following your link which you thankfully already posted elsewhere, I decided to start this thread. In the country I live the government’s propaganda / public pressure for extensive implementation of 5G has started intensely, recently. They intend the country to become the 5g-geek within the European Union. Punch puppets, Mob, Horrorclowns! (apologies)

And thank you, RunningDeer, for the videos. Somewhere HKV has talked about the different emotional reactions of people who had come in contact with alien / Earth goo, directly, and about the connection black goo - alien consciousness - nano dust. I’ll find it, maybe it will take me a week or two.

[TomKat]

It is conscious. The closest I’ve come across that would describe the issue I think I’m dealing with was presented by Harald Kautz-Vella.
These are three of the several Harald Kautz Vella videos I’ve listen to and downloaded for safekeeping.


Black Goo: Part One
HtAQdxowpYA

Miles Johnston
Published on Jun 28, 2015


There are 2 forms of Black Goo, one made by the earth, and another that was landed here by intention, in a a meteor swarm, 80,000 years ago. Both are sentient and are designed to create life from the materials on the planet. In simple terms, its a "seed" device.

The intelligence that seeded the off world goo, is creating life that is bypassing the natural order, and bringing lifeforms to a higher level of order than they should naturally be. In this case BIG spiders.

In this first of 3 parts, German researcher and discusses smart dust, and the Black Goo. Use of Scalar Physics is discussed, so you will have to pay attention. This is about an extraterrestrial, dimensional Predator species that is silently assimilating humanity, and all life on earth.

Black Goo: Part Two
eKctLpxGbsE

Miles Johnston
Published on Jun 28, 2015


Harald Kautz-Vella continues this detailed interview on the alien Black Goo, concentrating on Morgellons, and the existence of "M State" matter. The creatures comprised of the alien black goo related seem to exist in a partial state of matter, not quite in this dimension. Thus implants in people which are in a translucent fluidic matter.

Smart dust is mentioned.

A short clip of something that is claimed to be derived from the alien black goo is shown.

As with all such matters, detailed scientific results and data is required. If we can get it.

Continues in part 3, on the "AI", all computers have a link via an Artificial Intelligence.



Black Goo: Part Three
R7VpXCoBpTs

Miles Johnston
Published on Jun 29, 2015


Computer system have a collective intelligence, working under a collective "AI" or artificial intelliegenec. Some financial centres, have a quantum computer , derived from the alien black goo. The square wave signal in computers have a direct connection with this alien black goo, due to their scalar signature. The use of synthetic RNA as a bio-weapon, in Iraq War 2. All point to the creation of a synthetic bio race, with no empathy or 'feelings'.

Smart Dust and Bio Robots. Bio-Photons is the food for these octo-form creatures. But the earth, or mother nature is neutralizing this alien black goo so it has a balanced positive nature. Too bad to be true, too good to be true?


Has anyone (other than people on the speaking circuit) seen this so-called Black Goo, outside of X Files?

[MorningFox]

It's a reasonable question and one I've asked myself numerous times. I wish I could find the video where it shows how the Black Goo interacted with an individual in the laboratory. It was impressive to watch.

I've heard Harald mention videos of the black goo moving and interacting many times but I'm yet to actually see the videos.

Anyone?

[petra]

What I perceive is not only a toxic substance or a harmful frequency, it has consciousness.

It is conscious. The closest I’ve come across that would describe the issue I think I’m dealing with was presented by Harald Kautz-Vella.


I can relate to feeling like my PHONE is conscious. It's just a feeling, but that's exactly what it felt like. Maybe had something to do with the WIFI, but it went away - I no longer feel as if my phone has a mind of it's own.



...here's the craziest part:

My mother could taste the Wi-Fi.

Now, I know what you're thinking. That's impossible. That makes no sense.


No mind reading allowed in the Mind Control section! ;-)

I don't feel WIFI, but I CAN feel micro-waves. I stand back from the microwave when it is on because it just makes my body feel funny. Not sick or anything, just kind of like something weird is passing through it.



There are blockers out there, but I don't know what ones are good, and which are snake-oil. Searching Homemade Wi-fi blocker might bring up some useful results

Concrete definitely works. You could encase yourself in concrete :)

Joking aside, since it comes from outside us, it must be possible to block. It's just a question of how easy.

Personally I don't feel as if WIFI affects me. I'm surrounded ALL THE TIME by WIFI though, so how would I even know the difference? I think I feel fine anyway, albeit kind of tired.

[AutumnW]

I can't spend longer than 45 mins online. I get terrible brain fog. I feel weak and have all sorts of odd symptoms.

I didn't want to believe it. I was in denial for years.

But like clockwork, right around that 40, 45 minute mark I start to fade...and the symptoms appear.

I recently went back to my opthamologist for problems I am having reading for any length of time. It turns out that not only do I have cataracts starting to form but also probably have glaucoma.

Final tests starting in June. The reason I mention this is to make people aware that just staring at a screen can being on ocular headaches, migraine related effects, visual anamolies, aura effects and visual processing fatigue.

You want to make sure you aren't having other problems in tandem with wifi exposure.

[RunningDeer]

Harald Kautz-Vella presents his detailed lecture on the two types of Black Goo, Morgellons, and Artificial Intelligence.

Much is developing by the day. With further new information on the A-I and the Black Goo, only being discovered in recent days.

In this video is the discussion and demonstration of "liquid crystal" (quick link added at bottom). Some other topics and demonstrations are microscopic analysis of samples of components found in rain, fungus and morgellons (described as spiders with human faces).


Bases at Woodborough - Harald Kautz Vella (Black Goo)
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Published on Jul 15, 2015

@ 32:20 (https://youtu.be/j88BcgzzcTc?t=32m20s) - microscopic analysis of samples of components found in rain.

@ 46:58 (https://youtu.be/j88BcgzzcTc?t=46m58s) - morgellons on tomato interacting in realtime with scientist’s finger

@ 1:06:50 (https://youtu.be/j88BcgzzcTc?t=1h6m50s) - visual of an archon/morgellons (described as spiders with human faces)

@ 1:08:30 (https://youtu.be/j88BcgzzcTc?t=1h8m30s) - liquid crystal is self-organizing… Sometimes if it doesn’t like being observed …


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[petra]

Has anyone (other than people on the speaking circuit) seen this so-called Black Goo, outside of X Files?

Does in my dream count? Probably not...
I did "see" black goo in a dream before I ever heard anyone talking about black goo. Rick from the TV show Pawn Stars stomped on my pet gecko, and remember how mad it made me feel (in the dream). He even sneered at me! Inside the little gecko was a bunch of black goo.... yuck.

[RunningDeer]

I can't spend longer than 45 mins online. I get terrible brain fog. I feel weak and have all sorts of odd symptoms.

I didn't want to believe it. I was in denial for years.

But like clockwork, right around that 40, 45 minute mark I start to fade...and the symptoms appear.

I recently went back to my opthamologist for problems I am having reading for any length of time. It turns out that not only do I have cataracts starting to form but also probably have glaucoma.

Final tests starting in June. The reason I mention this is to make people aware that just staring at a screen can being on ocular headaches, migraine related effects, visual anamolies, aura effects and visual processing fatigue.

You want to make sure you aren't having other problems in tandem with wifi exposure.

I don’t need reading glasses as yet but I’ve noticed the change. As a preventive measure for cataracts and such, I’ve been using Can-C eyedrops (https://www.naturaleyecare.com/shop/can-c-eyedrops-3.html) since October, 2017. There are mixed reviews on it’s effectiveness on Amazon (https://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/B002CCY1MC/ref=acr_search_see_all?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1). Note: pet owners also use the product for their furry friends.

Diet plays an important role in eye care. Full disclosure, I’ve not been consistent with the exercises from “Improve your Eyesight: A Guide to the Bates Method for Better Eyesight without Glasses”.

I've worn glasses for distance since my early twenties. Around town, I don't need them. So at the very least, I'm figuring that the combination of the above seems to be working or at least slowing things down.

[Foxie Loxie]

Black Goo.....made me think of the English whistleblower who had a strange experience with it, then this, what I'm thinking of, was related to some strange deaths in the 1980's in the U.K. of people who were apparently, working with it? :confused:

[RunningDeer]

Black Goo.....made me think of the English whistleblower who had a strange experience with it, then this, what I'm thinking of, was related to some strange deaths in the 1980's in the U.K. of people who were apparently, working with it? :confused:

I'm not familiar with that account. Not so off topic, some may recall “The Blob” that came down from space. (1:55 minutes)

http://paula.avalonlibrary.net/smilies/write.gif Yipes! I'm a thread hogger. Stepping out now.




"Young Steve McQueen takes on his first leading role as Steve. He sees the blob kill the local doc, but none of the town's adults will believe him!"


Trailer - The Blob (1958)
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[Mike]

Hi Autumn, and thanks for the input!

I've no doubt eye issues may and do cause annoying symptoms when one is on the net for any length of time. But I'm quite sure my problem isn't eye related. In fact, I think my eyes are the only thing left of me that are still functioning respectably:)

For example, I can be laying in bed and suddenly start feeling sluggish, foggy, spacey, strange...and then I'll notice that I'm laying on my cell phone. That has happened quite a few times. So i think i can safely rule out any kind of eye thing.

[Valerie Villars]

I was getting horrible headaches when I worked at the Tulane Primate Research Center, while working on the computer. Brain fog, couldn't see well, etc. God only knows what kind of experiments they were conducting on not only the primates............

There are some other really weird things that started happening to me before I got laid off. Now I kind of understand what the deal was. The Director, who was my age, died three years after I got laid off, from a very aggressive form of brain cancer.

[East Sun]

I will not use a microwave, we don't need them.
Also, I stopped having a wi fi in my bedroom, just in case it
is the reason I don't sleep as well as I used to.
I had all the mercury removed from my teeth a decade ago, made
a big difference, lost some teeth, but that's OK.

It's sad that we, in this time, have to constantly work at avoiding electronic
negative crapola, when we should not have to.

Too much is nearly as bad as too little, and unnecessary IMO.

[Bill Ryan]

From everything that I feel I know, the most important thing for health and well-being is not to sleep in a WiFi environment.

If WiFi permeates your bedroom, then (if you can!) it may be very valuable to get in the habit of simply turning off the router at night.

[Bluegreen]

I was getting horrible headaches when I worked at the Tulane Primate Research Center, while working on the computer. Brain fog, couldn't see well, etc. God only knows what kind of experiments they were conducting on not only the primates............

Tulane
CIA
MK-Ultra
One big ball o' wax

--

"The CIA and Tulane University"
www.tulanelink.com/mind/CIA_box.htm

"Tulane and Mind Control"
www.tulanelink.com/mind/tulane_role_04a.htm

"CIA Recruitment at Tulane"
www.tulanelink.com/mind/CIA2_box.htm

"US Government Sponsored Mind Control and Tulane"
www.whale.to/b/tulane_h.html

"Chairman of the Dept of Psychiatry and Neurology at Tulane Dr Robert Heath: 1950-1980"
http://ahrp.org/1950-1980-dr-robert-heath-surgical-explorations-in-brain-physiology

(10-3-17) "Former CIA Director James Woolsey Leads at Tulane"
www.wdsu.com/article/former-cia-director-discusses-global-issues-at-tulane/12776619

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[ghostrider]

There's a company in Sweden that sells small pendants, key chains , etc that are said to absorb the harmful effects of wi-fi and cell phones called Neutralwise ...

[TargeT]

There's a company in Sweden that sells small pendants, key chains , etc that are said to absorb the harmful effects of wi-fi and cell phones called Neutralwise ...

impossible.

there's no way they could work, WIFI uses omnidirectional antenna (broad casts in every direction).... this whole thing doesn't make sense; products like that just re-enforce my take on this topic, it's meant to take advantage of those who are easily spooked and know very little technical data.

[sunwings]

Just type into google how to turn off my wi-fi SKY/VERIZON/(whichever company you have)

It will be a website similar to this (weird numbers) This will get you access into your modems mission control centre.

http://192.168.1.1/

Login :admin or verizon etc.
Password: admin or verizon etc.

Once inside you will be able to change your wi-fi name to Pretty Fly for a Wi-fi or FBI surveillance van or ¿uʍop ǝpᴉsdn noʎ ǝɹɐ ʎɥʍ

Also you can disconnect the wi-fi, but still have the internet using the yellow cable (etherent)

Done!

[Iloveyou]

Maybe I should add why I think that there is something involved that has consciousness. I should differentiate between the effects of WiFi and my emotional reaction to the dust. I had the impression the WiFi field attracts and holds this sort of dust.

The effects of living with WiFi: feeling weaker than before, less active, phases of indifference (like someone who has spent ten hours daily in front of the tv over years, I suppose). Partly I blamed aging and a certain kind of tiredness. Though no pains, no major physical effects. It was (is! sigh ...) an addiction. I noticed that and knew I can change it any time. Just turn it off. It was still me who was in charge (and who decided to still have it turned on).

It’s different with the dust. In the beginning I tried to fight it with broom and duster (I’ve always been quite relaxed with housework). Very quickly I felt overwhelmed and felt irrational, strong rage and anger against it, erupting abruptly. As if an adversary had overtaken my home, my territory. I was still fighting it but had the feeling I had already lost, I cannot win.

I, too, am a bit concerned to sound ridiculous, delusional, though I know: I’m not. A very stable and rational inner instance tells me I’m not. My wish in the first place is not to get rid of it (finally I will, there’s no doubt), but to understand it. So I’ll continue to observe (and to go through all the HKV lectures again).

[Iloveyou]

Black Goo.....made me think of the English whistleblower who had a strange experience with it, then this, what I'm thinking of, was related to some strange deaths in the 1980's in the U.K. of people who were apparently, working with it? :confused:

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/write.gif Yipes! I'm a thread hogger. Stepping out now.


Don’t worry, RunningDeer :)

Foxie, are you talking about about the Marconi deaths?

David Griffin first brought up the info that there was more to the Falkland war (1982) than the official story - later Harald Kautz-Vella picked up the issue, from his scientific background (if I’m right).

http://projectcamelot.org/marconi.html

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fsEsMTHDHC0 (2012)

[Foxie Loxie]

Thanks, Iloveyou!! That was a most interesting story! So much has been going on that we are not able to truly understand!:highfive:

[petra]

There's a company in Sweden that sells small pendants, key chains , etc that are said to absorb the harmful effects of wi-fi and cell phones called Neutralwise ...

impossible.

there's no way they could work, WIFI uses omnidirectional antenna (broad casts in every direction).... this whole thing doesn't make sense; products like that just re-enforce my take on this topic, it's meant to take advantage of those who are easily spooked and know very little technical data.

Yes! This kind of thing ticks me off too. Not only does it NOT work, but it's taking advantage of people. Then let's say by some stretch, it does seem to work. Now we've learned an invalid lesson, and we're living in superstition.

This "sleep away from the wifi" business is setting off some bells for me too. I mean, to me, that's just another aspect of living in fear. I'm going to sleep where ever I want, wifi or not! I'm not going to let the wifi dictate where I sleep. Maybe I'd be singing a different tune though if I felt like it affected me....

[TargeT]

This "sleep away from the wifi" business is setting off some bells for me too. I mean, to me, that's just another aspect of living in fear. I'm going to sleep where ever I want, wifi or not! I'm not going to let the wifi dictate where I sleep. Maybe I'd be singing a different tune though if I felt like it affected me....

I also agree, I even had an un-requested 6 month experiment; my wifi access point is in my bed room, obviously everything stopped working during the hurricane (cat5 yay!) and I was with out a working access point for almost 7 months; I never noticed any difference.

The level of exposure falls squarely in or below hormesis exposure, so I can only think it's probably healthy rather than unhealthy to expose your self to a low power RF signal (that's the basic principle of Hormesis (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2248601/)).

I'm open to looking at data that tells us otherwise, but I've yet to see it.

[Mike]

I've experienced the debilitating effects of WiFi firsthand, so I know it's a very real thing.

But...I have several serious health issues currently; therefore I'm very sensitive to things other healthier people may not be sensitive to.

Perhaps if one is quite healthy, and has no overriding physical issues, WiFi will not effect them as much..or maybe not at all!

But Petra, please don't sleep near your router or WiFi devices! Noooo:)

[Hym]

I've never used a WiFi in my house. The intrusive feeling, the energy source effect on the human EM field, the science from those like Dr.Samuel Milham and the possibilities of someone accessing data from nearby, etc., etc. have all made it an easy decision to simply use an ethernet line from the router over to the computer. I'm not that disorganized or addicted to the net or phone communications to keep my computer in more than one place, though I am just now ending lending it to a friend who stayed here.

Even as ethernet cables are problematic by design I use them still. Today I am switching computers to one with a lot less wear and tear on it from using the line, the purposely cheap plastic hold down tabs on all ethernet lines all broken off as well (as I mentioned before, as designed, in order to encourage the use of wireless transmissions).

I have shared my computer with a friend who has been staying with us for a while and handing the computer over to him in another room, usually for a short time, has contributed to the complications of taping the cable, using toothpicks, etc. to keep the cable secure in the ethernet port of the laptop. As our friend has just left, I had thought of just giving him the laptop but I'm downloading the info and scrubbing it instead.

I also see having to go outdoors to get a signal for my cell phone as a good thing. If I ever am looking for a new abode seeing anything more than 2 bars on the cell signal will exclude that place as a place I will live. Recently, I even had to get on the roof to consistently talk to my son when he was at a distance from home. In addition to that, the fact that the internet service provider in our area is one of the slowest in the country isn't good, but doing research limits the need for speedy delivery anyway.

This all leads me to a question I see as a constant to me, since the introduction of civilian cellular service. In many ways the instant connections to electronic communications take away from many aspects of developing and using your intuition and advancing your own innate cognitive abilities of communicating with all of the life forms around you, especially with other people. This isn't just communications, it is consciousness. You'd think that with all of this awareness and introspection going on these days that humans would be much more advanced in the ways of natural, human made wireless communication than they are now.

I do get what TargeT is saying about the ability of the human organism to be the adaptogenic mechanism in all things stressful to systems function, but there is a limit to the ability of the body's pizeo-electric dynamic to intake excessive "homeopathic" doses of intrusive EM stimuli.

Just what is that limit and what are the variables that we can measure in determining the difference from the necessary, healthy stress of such intrusions to the unhealthy amount that causes distress, disease, and the eventual breakdown of the organism itself? Those who implement and profit from the inclusion of those systems won't tell anyone what those limit parameters are if they do know them, and my educated guess is that they do. Those same corporate beings don't now, nor ever have, given a Flying F$$K about the health of humans.

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Here is a little on Dr.Milham, who is an MD with an MPH, a Masters Degree in Public Health:

"Dr. Samuel Milham is a physician-epidemiologist specializing in public health. He has more than one hundred scientific publications, many dealing with the health effects of electricity. In 1997, Dr. Milham was awarded the Ramazzini prize for his pioneering work in describing the occupational cancer risks of electromagnetic fields."

I highly recommend his book "Dirty Electricity" as a way to begin your introduction to health as it relates to the intrusion and inclusion of EMF in your lives.

[TargeT]

I do get what TargeT is saying about the ability of the human organism to be the adaptogenic mechanism in all things stressful to systems function, but there is a limit to the ability of the body's pizeo-electric dynamic to intake excessive "homeopathic" doses of intrusive EM stimuli.

I don't think "homeopathic" is a thing, it certainly doesn't have hundreds of peer reviewed papers showing it to be a repeatable reliable method like Hormesis (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2248601/) does. ;) (two VASTLY different things that happen to start with an H)

And I am taking a MUCH more proactive approach, I don't see it as "adapting" I see it as "improving" and unless the stimuli is there the response will not trigger, this is just like exersize, you do NOT improve with out effort.

I do not see hormesis as a passive pursuit, more like the application of "old knowledge" moderation in EVERYTHING, including things that at certain doses can be toxic... everything is all inclusive. To completely cut out anything from your life is to be come weaker as you miss the stimuli that would have made you a better you.



I highly recommend his book "Dirty Electricity" as a way to begin your introduction to health as it relates to the intrusion and inclusion of EMF in your lives.

The high voltage/amperage of modern electrical systems is very concerning, but it's because it's very high power, wifi is very low power. Most wifi access points use 1-4 watts of power (https://www.hak5.org/episodes/hak5-1515) to broadcast, when combined with the inverse square law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse-square_law) you are probably receiving (on average, in a typical 20x15 sized room) around .005 watts of broadcasted 2.4ghz (or what have you... depending on the model of access point (A,B,G,N etc...), but 2.4ghz will be the STRONGEST signal possible with out modification).

These levels probably do not even qualify as triggering hormesis as they are so low.

Did you know you receive about 164watts per square meter of sunlight? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunlight) (that includes infrared which is very close to the wave lengths being proposed for 5G and the newer wifi access points).

But we are comfortable with that exposure and know how to limit it; though we also know HOW important it is to our health... This is not so very different to be honest, just because we interpret the EM band differently doesn't mean we are dealing with entirely new phenomenon every few 1000hz.

[Hym]

I hear 'Ya Brother. Strong insights. I respect your opinion, but only because you speak as you see it, even if I see the insight as limited, as mine has often been and as I look forward to learning more myself. Always.

NOTE: This response seems to veer off course a bit. However, and to the point, I do think that the way in which we converse here informs us about the connections we form between differing approaches to similar subjects. Always something to learn here....

You're right. Homeopathic isn't a thing. It's a patient proven stimulation of a wide variety of stressors intended to treat the cause of disease, and it is exactly the definition of the symbiosis between the two words, way beyond the letter H.
If it isn't approved by the profit driven, pseudo-health, university cloistered, drug peddlers how does that disprove it's effectiveness?

OOPS, my good bad...There are many peer-reviewed, clinically proven studies on the efficacy of homeopathy, hundreds upon hundreds and there will be many more to come.

https://homeopathic.com/
https://researchinhomeopathy.org/database/
https://www.britishhomeopathic.org/.../the-evidence-for-homeopathy

So, you've never used homeopathics? My son and other children of most of my friends, who all have used homeopathy, exercise and good nutrition have the fewest amount of sick days of in-school and home-schooled kids in the country. I would agree that without stress life is not healthy, adventurous, or even worth the commute thru the canal zone and out into this little, cloistered, beautiful world. The question at hand is there an excess beyond the body's capacity to become stronger when it comes to EMF exposure? I see the response as entirely different from the medicinal use of homepathics in triggering a healthy reaction to stress.


The word Homeopathy was used by me as a distinct way of informing how the system adapts to stress in a positive way, as in the way homeopathy uses the very minute dose of something that otherwise, and in excess, causes damage. I do know the semantic difference between hormesis and homeopathy, but thought that you'd get the analogy as relative to the natural way, the healthy way a body strengthens itself with the induction of stress.

Those of us who use and study homeopathy do use the word hormesis in describing the response, as do those who describe other triggered actions:


"A pollutant or toxin showing hormesis thus has the opposite effect in small doses as in
large doses." The difference is between a positive, adaptive response and a negative, damaging reaction. And....

"Within the hormetic zone there is generally a favorable biological response to low exposures to toxins and other stressors." (These all from the dictionary descriptions of Hormesis)

"The repair process fixes not only the damage caused by the toxin, but also other low-level damage that might have accumulated before without having triggered the repair mechanism." (This from the dictionary description of Hormesis.)

This is the essence of the body's response to a homeopathic medicinal. I'm sorry you didn't get the connection, but I'm often too wordy in my responses as it is. Funny, that..
" (two VASTLY different things that happen to start with an H)".


Many come from the belief and mindset that allopathy and homeopathy are in conflict. They aren't and they should not be, except if we find there is one institutional blueprint that excludes the other, not on the basis of the empirical science but on the measure of profit.

Yes, of course they are when we consider that one has a history of abuse and misuse of allopathy to sell products and provide a shorter life span for it's users. I, as an informed patient, as well as many healthy people I know use both systems, as we know and are advised to do interactively.

There is merit and necessity to all forms of stress-induced healthy growth, I agree. How does anything or anyone grow without stress? The only question is are we going to evaluate both the empirical and the overwhelming, personal, even anecdotal evidence together, knowing full well the many proofs that personal experiences have prompted scientists to "discover"? There is way too much evidence to suggest, quite loudly, that there is more to this matter than we are being told.

Further...

Wow. A proactive approach? What, you're gonna add more exposure for some hidden health effect? From my experience that is not wise, but either way I think you'll know when your exposure becomes too much for your body to handle, beyond the exposure that is healthy for you. I would request a response from you if you do suffer any adverse effects when and if you are so overly exposed, though I have read enough and heard enough and experienced enough to know the outcome for myself.

Interesting. So me cutting out WiFi will make me weaker? How's that? Granted, if I was to anticipate an unwanted and unstoppable exposure to a pathogen I might consider taking some time, either thru exposure or ingestion, allowing my system to strengthen itself by triggering the repair mechanism. However, in this case the evidence shows this to be an unhealthy and counterproductive activity. I appreciate your concern for my health and if there is something you know that I'm not getting, please tell me.

Yes the strengths of modern electrical systems are very different from the low voltage of current WiFi systems, but many of the effects are similar.

Dr. Milham has shown scientific proofs on the dangers of WiFi to many, including schools in the states. His scientific advice, beyond the pressures of the peddlers, has been put into practice by those educational institutions that have allowed him to present the data.

I'll re-read Dr. Milham's book to see if the data is in there. It may take a short while, as I have the healthy habit of exchanging books with friends. Gotta go look for it.

"Energy. Frequency. Vibration" (Nikola Tesla)

[TargeT]

If it isn't approved by the profit driven, pseudo-health, university cloistered, drug peddlers how does that disprove it's effectiveness?

OOPS, my good bad...There are many peer-reviewed, clinically proven studies on the efficacy of homeopathy, hundreds upon hundreds and there will be many more to come.

https://homeopathic.com/
https://researchinhomeopathy.org/database/
https://www.britishhomeopathic.org/.../the-evidence-for-homeopathy

Those results fall well with in placebo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo) norms; I'm not sure that really tells us much.


So, you've never used homeopathics? My son and other children of most of my friends, who all have used homeopathy, exercise and good nutrition have the fewest amount of sick days of in-school and home-schooled kids in the country

Quite to the contrary, my mother was a Nurse Practitioner while I grew up and got really into homeopathy, I took those little sugar balls under the tongue for everything for a good decade or more. I also had few sick days and never got vaccinated, but I also ate very consciously (due to a diligent mother), which I think was the more important part (I thought frozen yogurt was icecream until i was about 11... thanks mom... haha)


The word Homeopathy was used by me as a distinct way of informing how the system adapts to stress in a positive way, as in the way homeopathy uses the very minute dose of something that otherwise, and in excess, causes damage. I do know the semantic difference between hormesis and homeopathy, but thought that you'd get the analogy as relative to the natural way, the healthy way a body strengthens itself with the induction of stress.

Homeopathy involves "water memory" and dilluting solutions like 10000000000:1 and assuming it will still work due to the "water memory"; I just don't buy it... what you are describing above is called Hormesis unless you are diluting it 100000000000000:1 then it's homeopathy and the hormesis studies prove it doesn't work.. you need a certain low dose, not ANY low dose.

Example:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Hormesis_dose_response_graph.svg/660px-Hormesis_dose_response_graph.svg.png



"Within the hormetic zone there is generally a favorable biological response to low exposures to toxins and other stressors." (These all from the dictionary descriptions of Hormesis)

I bolded the imporatant part :) see the above graph.. when you dilute with homeopathy you are no longer in the hormetic zone of exposure.




This is the essence of the body's response to a homeopathic medicinal. I'm sorry you didn't get the connection, but I'm often too wordy in my responses as it is. Funny, that..
" (two VASTLY different things that happen to start with an H)".

That's the myth of homeopathy and the reality of Hormesis.

It's the dilution that is issue with homeopathy, and the "water memory" nonsense. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy)





Wow. A proactive approach? What, you're gonna add more exposure for some hidden health effect? From my experience that is not wise,

Well I know from experince it does, I wore a piece of uranium for 3 years strait, about 900 cpm based on a thread on this forum (radiation hormesis (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53597-Hormesis-Healing-Yourself-with-Low-Dose-Radiation&highlight=radiation+hormesis)) and I have not been sick since.. it's been about 5 years now; I used to get an annual flu or something at least once a year; but it's been nothing for 5, I watch diseases spread from family member to familiy member, I don't get sick.

That is my personal anicdote, but beyond that there are the vast amount of studies on the topic... I first came to this based on radiation and how I feel we are being lied to about it.


So me cutting out WiFi will make me weaker?

denying your self a stimuli that will cause a response in your body that makes you healthier, yes makes you "weaker than you could be".

Have you gone through radiation hormesis? I think I can confidently say my immune system is probably stronger than yours because I have. At least based on my life experience.

Does that mean you are weaker? or just not as good as you could be?

[holcaul]

...That changed when I discovered alternative media (in English and German)...

Maybe that is the main reason for the appearance of your symptoms, Iloveyou? Discovering alternative views on our reality can be quite sickening or even debilitating, especially initially. Could it be that EMF is secondary if at all of any effect on your condition?

When I was in the military we did not have access to wifi or even cellular communication. I can't say I was less nervous and/or agitated.


...I started to develop a kind of affection and emotional relationship with the thing...

It is an expected reaction to having a newly acquired, incredibly expensive portable device. Which serves as the gateway to the life changing experiences of alternative media.

Moderate exercise, healthy diet and critical thinking should do the trick.

[Iloveyou]

Homeopathy involves "water memory" and dilluting solutions like 10000000000:1 and assuming it will still work due to the "water memory"; I just don't buy it... what you are describing above is called Hormesis unless you are diluting it 100000000000000:1 then it's homeopathy and the hormesis studies prove it doesn't work.. you need a certain low dose, not ANY low dose.


It is a widespread misunderstanding that the production of homeopathic medicine is only based on dilution. Dilution only wouldn’t do anything (in homeopathy). The crucial factor is succussion:

“The process of succussion involves the vigorous diluting and shaking of substances. Depending on the potency, the substance is mixed into water, shaken, and then put into another water solution where it is mixed [and shaken ...] again.
Based on Hahnemann’s experiments and the homeopathic provings carried out by homeopaths since his time, the cycle and combination of vigorous succussions as well as the subsequent dilutions, potentize the substance, making it a stronger, more profound remedy upon the vital force.”

http://naturalholistichomeopathic.com/succussion-in-homeopathy-how-it-works

“Homeopathy is an energetic medicine. The principle of similarity can be reduced to similar resonance frequencies of the remedy and the pathological pathway.”

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265990335_HOMEOPATHIC_POTENCIES_IDENTIFIED_BY_A_NEW_MAGNETIC_RESONANCE_METHOD_Homeopathy-An_Energetic_Medicine

It seems that Hormesis (have to read up about it!) works on a different principle though equally valid. In my understanding Homeopathy and Hormesis cannot really be compared.

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No problem with going (apparently) off topic for a while, as long as we don’t lose focus.

[Iloveyou]

...That changed when I discovered alternative media (in English and German)...
Maybe that is the main reason for the appearance of your symptoms, Iloveyou? Discovering alternative views on our reality can be quite sickening or even debilitating, especially initially. Could it be that EMF is secondary if at all of any effect on your condition?


This might be part of it. However in my case the discovery of alternative media did not really shatter my view of reality. I never believed in the official story, from childhood on. Before Alt Media I was running into various dead-ends ... politcs, esoteric, inner retreat ... after reading up systematically I started to take responsibility (to a certain degree).

But there might be a moment when it gets too much for one’s energetic condition (esp. going into elite pedophilia, satanism ...) and if that moment is missed one becomes vulnerable and probably receptive to more subtle influences.



...I started to develop a kind of affection and emotional relationship with the thing...

It is an expected reaction to having a newly acquired, incredibly expensive portable device. Which serves as the gateway to the life changing experiences of alternative media.


Had not yet thought about that. :)

[Tam]

visual of an archon/morgellons (described as spiders with human faces)



What in God's name...that sounds horrifying.

I already hated spiders to begin with. I'll have to look into this. I heard of Morgellon's disease before. Then I started having symptoms. Pulled out what looked like filaments of cotton from my back. About an inch long. I was still living with my parents then, and it was summer. I was in the pool. My boyfriend was with me. I get out of the water to air dry on a chair, and he looks at my back for a few seconds, then says, "Hold up. What is that fur on your back?"

I naturally start to freak out. I already have to deal with unwanted body hair as a woman, so being told there was fur on my back wasn't exactly happy news. I ask him what he means, and he tells me I have a sprout of white fur coming out of my back. I immediately pictured my grandma and her giant mole with the quill-thick white hair coming out of it, and tell him to inspect more closely. He does, he comes up to me and starts to touch it, and I swear, I can feel it moving around inside me. It wasn't painful, but it was really, really uncomfortable. I tell him it's probably a weird mole with hair, and he says "No, this isn't hair. I'm telling you, it looks and feels like fur. It's really soft and fine"

So I hand him my smartphone, and tell him to snap a picture (I would share them, but naturally, my phone broke a few months later, and those photos were lost). Sure enough, it looks like a little tuft of white fur was sticking out of my back.

Now, the weird part, is we were both certain it wasn't there before, because, well, we had been intimate that previous night, and trust me, he would have noticed.

So what was about an inch of "fur", half of it embedded in my back, had grown overnight. Which was weird as hell. So I tell him to pull it out. I hand him sterilized tweezers, hold my breath, and tell him to just tear it out, as neatly as he can, because my plan was to get it biopsied and I wanted to put it in a little jar. He pulls it out, and it didn't hurt at all, even though it was definitely in my back. The part that was inside of me was wet, and a little sticky (sorry for the gross detail). I definitely felt it being pulled out, I even felt a little tug as it, for lack of a better term, unlatched from me, and it took a while to pull out, since it was so long.

He then looks at it for a moment, and says "What the hell, this looks like cotton!"

I remember this so clearly, because it really, really freaked me out. I grab the tweezers, and sure enough, it looked and felt exactly as if you had taken a ball of cotton, pulled apart about 20 filaments of it, and bundled then up in a bouquet.

I started researching it, and absolutely nothing like what I had came up. I dug and dug and dug and no one had cotton-like growths, except for when I started to read into this conspiracy theory about Morgellon's disease. The details on that were too much for me to handle at the time, so I remember just ending the research, and going to book an appointment with the dermatologist, except the cotton stuff had been lost. Like an idiot, it got stuck to me due to friction when I handled it, so I shook my hand, and naturally, they all flew off.

A few months later, we're at a lake with family, and my boyfriend notices another patch of "fur". One that had sprouted overnight, yet again. Same spot. Then, the next day, it was GONE. I remember, because I was planning on calling a dermatologist the next morning to get it biopsied.

A few months after that, and I'm with a dermatologist for something totally unrelated. Just a suspicious mole I wanted checked out.

I'm telling her about the weird fur thing as she's scanning my body for any other odd moles, when she gets to my back and says "Oh, you mean this?"

Yet again, another patch of fur had sprouted overnight. Again, I was certain it was overnight, because I had been checking in nightly at the mirror to see if more sprouted.

She looks at it, and tells me she has never seen anything like it in the 20 years she's been a dermatologist. So she does a full biopsy, scoops out the fur and a chunk of my back with it, stitches me up, and sends it to a lab.

The results come back, and apparently I had a benign tumor that was growing hair. Which they've been known to do.

But I can't help but be suspicious, even to this day. I don't buy that result, frankly. Something tells me that the tumor was there, but they just couldn't figure out what the fur stuff was, so they wrote it off, as often happens in Western medicine.

I haven't had any since, but I still think about it to this day.

I really hope I don't have human-faced nanospiders crawling around inside of me. That sounds positively bone-chilling.

Anyway, just thought I should share. If anyone knows or has an idea of what that was, feel free to shoot a PM my way. I'd appreciate it.

[Tam]

I can't spend longer than 45 mins online. I get terrible brain fog. I feel weak and have all sorts of odd symptoms.

I didn't want to believe it. I was in denial for years.

But like clockwork, right around that 40, 45 minute mark I start to fade...and the symptoms appear.

I recently went back to my opthamologist for problems I am having reading for any length of time. It turns out that not only do I have cataracts starting to form but also probably have glaucoma.

Final tests starting in June. The reason I mention this is to make people aware that just staring at a screen can being on ocular headaches, migraine related effects, visual anamolies, aura effects and visual processing fatigue.

You want to make sure you aren't having other problems in tandem with wifi exposure.

Yes! This! Thank you so much.

I'm 22, so I'm a bit younger than most people here, but even I have noticed smartphone usage start to ruin my vision. So it isn't an age thing, is what I'm saying.

I have always had excellent vision. 20/20, perfect marks on every eye exam ever.

When I was about...16, if I recall correctly, I got my first "real" smartphone. I had had a really crappy off-brand one for years before, which I didn't use more than for listening to music/phone calls/small tasks because, well, the thing was a nightmare to use.

Anyway, I got a new iPhone when our local carrier was clearing their inventory and giving them out for free. I got an iPhone 4.

I loved that thing, but see, the iPhone 4 is teeny-tiny. The whole thing fit in my hand, and the screen was smaller than my palm. Unfortunately, I loved it too much, and would look at it close to my face, for a couple of hours, each night before bed, in the dark.

I started developing, out of the blue, binocular diplopia, which just means double vision, caused by both eyes.

It happened whenever I would look elsewhere than straight ahead, without turning my head. If I was laying down, it would also happen, and the double vision would move with my head movement, and only what was directly in the foreground would double, crossing over itself. Different angles for double vision based off of eye/head movement, basically. Apparently, this is highly unusual.

We went to see our ophthamologist, and she was totally stumped. My eyes were fine, I had no retinal issues whatsoever, my vision was 20/20, except some vision tests, the ones where you look into a projection box, would cause my to see two of everything. Yet the pairs would be clear as day. So I would see two intersecting/overlapping slides of numbers and letters, and I could read off the tiniest row without issue. I'd just see two of them.

They could not figure out what was wrong with me. They were worried I had a brain tumor, and that it was pressing on some nerves or whatever. I got a full MRI of the brain, nothing. Not even a blood clot.

So they send me 5 hours away, to another major city in my state, to see the best ophthamologist in the state. She had a waiting list, but due to my circumstances, they admitted me that same month.

We trek out there, and I'm in there for 4 hours, doing all kinds of tests, being questioned, and they still can't figure it out. They were super interested in what was wrong with me. It totally stumped them.

They never did find out, but they told me what was clear was that my left eye was overcompensating, and my right eye had a weakened nerve or something like that. I had actually been starting to develop a very slight lazy eye. Since my eye muscles were strained and weak, they made me wear these special glasses that don't magnify as much as they soften images, for all close range activities, and they gave me an exercise to do at home: get a thick string, about 4 feet of it, and tie knots at equal intervals along it. Tie the string to something, stretch it out fully, level with my eye, and with each eye, focus on each string, back to front, front to back, at different angles, with each eye, several times a day.

I did this, and it reduced the diplopia thing by about 90%. I still get the issue once in a while when I'm really tired, and I have trouble focusing on tiny things like stars. When I do, my vision doubles. I can also relax my eyeball at will. It's a parlor trick of sorts. I can make my eye muscles go totally limp, creating an instant lazy-eye and total vision blur (where I can't so much as read a giant sign 6 feet away).

It's odd.

Then, about 3 months ago, my old smartphone broke suddenly and beyond salvation. So I got myself a new, fancy one.

I love it, and I went right back to my old adolescent habit of using it at night (and several times throughout the day). This one's screen is about 2 or 3 times bigger than my old iPhone's, but I'm starting to have those same vision problems again.

I've fished out my old glasses, and am doing the string thing again. It gives me a headache each time, but it really works to fix vision early on.

My boyfriend used to have 20/20 vision when he was in his teens, now he wears thick glasses. He's convinced it's because he works on computers 9 hours a day, and has been for 5 years now.

I have no doubt in my mind this is all due to blue light and LCD screens.

I turn off blue light 2 hours before going to sleep on my phone and computer (for phones, download an app called Twilight, for PCs, a program called f.lux). I advise you guys do the same as well. Not sure if iOS has Twilight specifically, as I'm an Android girl, but I'm certain you can get something just like it on the (obviously inferior) iPhone. Just look up "Blue light filter" and you'll get results.

You only get one pair of eyes, so take care of them.

[petra]

But Petra, please don't sleep near your router or WiFi devices! Noooo:)

We get wifi all over the house, even in the yard, so I don't really understand why moving a bit farther away from the router would be any better. The wifi is just as strong in the yard as it is in the house.

I appreciate your concern, and I'm certainly not saying anyone should be as stubborn as I am - I'm very stubborn.

EDIT: I won't let it chase me out of my house.... I just won't.

[RunningDeer]

For example, I can be laying in bed and suddenly start feeling sluggish, foggy, spacey, strange...and then I'll notice that I'm laying on my cell phone. That has happened quite a few times. So i think i can safely rule out any kind of eye thing.
We get wifi all over the house, even in the yard, so I don't really understand why moving a bit farther away from the router would be any better. The wifi is just as strong in the yard as it is in the house.

I appreciate your concern, and I'm certainly not saying anyone should be as stubborn as I am - I'm very stubborn.

EDIT: I won't let it chase me out of my house.... I just won't.

Being stubborn doesn't change the fact that these waves create havoc to the body systems.




...Increasingly, scientists and researchers are uncovering the health risks of EMFs. Depending on the level and the length of exposure, those risks can range from insomnia and headaches to tumors. For more information on the health risks of EMFs from Wi-Fi....

The distance the router's Wi-Fi signal travels is dependent on the strength of the router... [article (https://www.safespaceprotection.com/emf-health-risks/emf-health-effects/wi-fi-router-dangers/)]

I live in the country. My Wi-Fi drops when I step out of the house. The signal is weak even for my neighbors that have cell phone service. Mike posted about his symptoms while laying on his cell phone, i.e.. sluggish, foggy, spacey, strange. I couldn’t figure out why I’d have to fight to stay awake when I read in the room where the Wi-Fi is set up. Sometimes I’d be knocked out for a couple of hours. It dawned on me (thanks, Mike :wave:) about a month ago, I had to upgrade my 2001 router. My internet company no longer had refurbished models. I turn off my Wi-Fi at night but now I turn it off during the day. I'm no longer sleepy when I read in that room.

[petra]

Being stubborn doesn't change the fact that these waves create havoc to the body systems.

The distance the router's Wi-Fi signal travels is dependent on the strength of the router... [article (https://www.safespaceprotection.com/emf-health-risks/emf-health-effects/wi-fi-router-dangers/)][/INDENT][/INDENT][/INDENT]
[/I]
I live in the country. My Wi-Fi drops when I step out of the house. The signal is weak even for my neighbors that have cell phone service. Mike posted about his symptoms while laying on his cell phone, i.e.. sluggish, foggy, spacey, strange. I couldn’t figure out why I’d have to fight to stay awake when I read in the room where the Wi-Fi is set up. Sometimes, I’d be knocked out for a couple of hours. It dawned on me (thanks, Mike :wave:) about a month ago I had to upgrade my 2001 modem. My internet company no longer had refurbished models. I turn off my Wi-Fi at night but now I turn it off during the day. I'm no longer sleepy when I read in that room.

I'm sorry for getting kind of mad there, I realize it's an issue that's no easy fix and I guess it's just frustrating.

I think I'm more concerned for my mom than me... she's bed ridden and sits next to the router all day long.

It probably is really strong too... and we need the thing for Cable TV. I'd really like to switch back to something older too!! I swear to F (excuse me), this new service is such BS! When the power goes out, her phone stops working. That's not supposed to even happen.

I'm pretty sure we have "fibre op" service - which I haven't the foggiest notion about. It's very fast though, I know that for sure.

[Iloveyou]

Referring to my OP I’d like to return to Kautz Vella once again.

His lectures/talks are so intense, so condensed ... take any three sentences and you have a whole complex topic of its own. Rightly one should stop every few sentences and start to research what he has just adressed, a minute later he is already into something different, though connected.

Often he talks about unprovable details ... a friend told me ... we have been shown ... etc ... and you are compelled to ask: but who? ... but where exactly? I suppose that’s because he is protecting sources and interested in surviving and not being suicided.

Two things stuck out to me.

1.) People react to earth goo according to their inner emotional state. Earth goo functions as a mirror. When Marconi workers were confronted with it, half of them committed suicide in cruel ways (because they could not stand that) - half of them saved themselves by reconnecting to Mother earth (asking for help). When confronted with alien black goo it is different: the alien consciousness takes over and dominates the person, it makes them cold, emotionless, unempathic, aggressive, ready to kill.

He talks from personal experience - and about, for example, many higher Nazi ranks who surrounded themselves with decorative objects made from alien black goo. Not to mention that those objects are found at the core of all religious cults.

2.) Every now and then, in half a sentence, he mentions briefly that there is (alien) black goo in the rainwater, someone tries to spread it on people. He does not go further into it. Still have to find again a microscope image he presented. I find the way he conveys that information, like as a minor aside, alarming. Emotional states (rage, lethargy) have been induced - via EMF’s - in individuals and groups for a long time. If the above is true that would bring the manipulation of the human mind again to another level. I very much hope he will be able to continue the research and bring the results to the public.

[Iloveyou]

Has anyone (other than people on the speaking circuit) seen this so-called Black Goo, outside of X Files?

As for Harald Kautz (no -Vella anymore due to a divorce): to his knowledge civil research on black goo (Earth goo) is done at the Warsaw university, Poland. He got that information from scientist and author Dieter Broers.

He has abandoned fact-based research (at least publicly) and turned to the field of spirituality, consciousness and self-empowerment - these talks are radical, of deep wisdom and high quality. Nevertheless I think he tries to leave hints and traces for others, every now and then.

[ExomatrixTV]

I will promote this forum thread on my:

http://facebook.com/Stop5G
http://facebook.com/groups/Stop5G
Stop5G.net (http://Stop5G.net) soon! :coffee::thumbsup::ranger:

[Iloveyou]

I made two observations in the course of the last year, both personal and subjective.

I spent the last months in West African countries and often chose places to stay where wifi was provided, though a generally very slow and unstable connection. Whenever I spent time on the net while sitting or lying on beds or matresses (rarely I had a desk) I always had the strong impuls to put the iPad down onto my body. On the chest, the belly, close next to my head or under the pillow (!) to sleep on it. There was even the recurring thought how sweet it would be to sleep with my face put directly on the screen. Wtf? Of course I didn‘t do that but I had to fight the impulse constantly.

In Europe I never noticed such an impulse before (well, now in hindsight, I‘ve a kind of subtle, faint memory it may have occured, but rarely and it hadn’t entered consciousness fully at the time). It has not occured anymore since I‘m back.

My suspicion that - beyond the sophisticated technology developed by humans - we are confronted with a kind of consciousness, an autonomous, conscious entity, has just grown.

So in West Africa there‘s only 3G networks by now (for the most part). Sure 3G, even 2G have/had an impact on human neural communication. But then I’ve learnt that there‘s the plan to put 20,000 satellites into Earth‘s orbit beaming 5G frequencies to garantee total smart technology to even the least hidden places on earth. In fact 12,000 of them are already in place. What in hell are they doing?

The other observation isn‘t less disturbing. I never think, read or talk, let alone search anything on the net about physical death (except regarding spiritual aspects, f. e. reincarnation) It‘s just not an active topic. Last week I did, with someone in their 80s and 90s, extensively and emotionally not fully uncharged. Wifi was available, but not activated. Back home I thought about it and what popped up when I accessed the net? Two different ads for funeral undertakers. I‘ve heard people talking about such before, it seems common. It also was not the first such incidence for me.

One could argue, that such ads are frequent and I noticed it only now because it was an active topic for me. One could also argue that I had this close, even intimate attachment to the iPad because it was the device that connected me with my family back home. I explored these possibilities well and - no. No. No.

[Bill Ryan]

My suspicion that - beyond the sophisticated technology developed by humans - we are confronted with a kind of consciousness, an autonomous, conscious entity, has just grown.

Highlighted for emphasis!

I think this is potentially enormously significant. I've thought the same thing myself, but have NEVER heard anyone else express that.

Back in the late 90s, I vigorously resisted e-mail and even the whole internet. I sensed something trying to suck me in... literally.

In the end, I was persuaded to connect to the net by a friend, who said — and I remember the words: "You have the world's biggest reference library just standing there with open doors and free access, and you're walking on by."

I still sense a huge trap for us all, like some kind of giant lobster pot. Years after my own misgivings (and I have ALWAYS felt there was something VERY VERY VERY wrong with Facebook), academics are now starting to write books and research papers about all this.

But it's impossible now for the human race to reverse out of it. It IS a giant lobster pot, and there seems no escape. Behind it (and I thank Iloveyou for broaching the taboo subject), I do seriously suspect there's a malevolent intelligence.

[Isserley]

Can we be sure that this sophisticated technology was in fact developed by humans? could be that some other species/entities imposed it on us, we embraced it with such enthusiasm as it has enabled us countless possibilities and now we are on the verge of being overruned by it..
reminds me of Maynard's song Disillusioned
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Regarding wifi and network technology in general, Croatia announced that we'll be the first to introduce 5G technology by 2020. https://www.t.ht.hr/en/Press/press-releases/4219/Hrvatski-Telekom-first-to-introduce-5G-in-Croatia.html

This is terrible given the fact that other "more developed" EU countries - Germany and Belgium, put 5G implementation on hold in their countries because the existing 4G technology is proven to be quite damaging to all life. Harmful effects of mobile towers and generally electromagnetic radiation are becoming increasingly evident. Croatia is obviously an experimental rabbit in this story and that is a defeating fact.

https://www.mudita.com/journal/how-does-mobile-radiation-affect-honey-bees

[Trisher]

I have noticed that when doing a healing on people who are using mobile phones or technology that they have a new auric field around them which can extend out to two or three foot. This auric field which I now call the EMF body, is the closest band around the human body followed by the other energy bands that are normally there. These other bands are generally called the mental, emotional and causal. The EMF body pushes the others outward and displaces them. What this means is that the EMF body becomes part of the consciousness of the person and is fueled by EMFs and phones etc. This may explain the addiction to phones etc as it craves to be fed and energised. When cleared by grounding or healing the person reports feeling "weird" and out of balance and of course they go straight back into EMFs and put it all back.

I suspect that frequencies feed and manipulate this band of energy and affect the mental, emotional and spiritual well being of that person making it hard to connect to source and their spiritual nature. Once this band takes over people are swallowed up in technology and walk about constantly staring at screens. The wider the band, the bigger the disconnect. This disconnect is also connected up to the nano which is in the air, water, food and soil and of course our bodies. The microbiome is being changed by Glyphosphate to produce gut bacteria that respond to negative frequencies and are actually producing frequencies and toxins. That and the heavy metal exposure which of course makes us all antenna.

This means that we are being changed from both the outside and inside. Once we realise what a multi-pronged attack is being perpetrated we can get closer to finding solutions.
Trisher

[Iloveyou]

Thanks for that. The one thing that kept me sane by now is the knowledge of

Consciousness-Over-Mind-Over-Matter and Consciousness=Heart Consciousness.

What when it comes to Consciousness versus Consciousness?

Is there any way to get/stay immune to EMFs despite being immersed in and surrounded by the field?

I‘ve turned off my wifi connection now and reactivated my old desktop computer. Never had a cell phone anyway. I‘ll see how it goes. :facepalm:

[TomKat]

My mother had a 2-year period about 5 or so years ago where she would get head-splitting migraines on a regular basis. There would be times where for weeks at a time, she'd be in non-functional pain, and no amount of pain killers or water or good food would help. The only thing that worked was going to the ER (hospital), and getting a special injection that was a very, very heavy painkiller. Unfortunately, in America, where everything is a business, we could do this rarely, because it cost us thousands of dollars each time (which my mother refused to pay, and took the credit hit for instead, which, since America is a business and the entire system is based off of credit, meant she couldn't get loans for cars, houses, or even apply for uni if she wanted to. Luckily we had a house and car already).


I just listened to someone talking about this on PI Matrix (Revolution Radio). He said headaches are a common reaction to radio frequency pollution. He said to get an Acousticom2 and test your environment's level of radio frequency pollution.

I don't use wifi much at home. I turned off the wifi on my main router (which connects to the cable modem via ethernet). I use ethernet through the powerline outlets to connect my computers to the main router. I also have a 2nd router, wifi-enabled, that I plug in when I temporarily need to access wifi for tablets or phones that don't support ethernet, then I unplug it.

[Bob]

I just counted the amount of wiFy transmitters around me - 9 Since the late 1990's !
I have a micro-cell repeater for cellphone use

I also have numerous blue-tooth systems running continually.

Not only is my health perfect, there are no headaches, no fuzzies, no nothin out of the ordinary.

I even recently stopped by a cellphone tower which has been testing 5G - it feels FINE..

I wonder why I feel great? :sun:

(Maybe I don't buy into the fear mongering across so much media?)

Note to self - enjoying the ability to stay in touch across the planet, being able to connect to my computers wirelessly, being able to talk on UHF (microwave), being able to use Cellphone to me is a great assistance to MY way of life.

Obviously there are those who don't want convenience and are afraid of it. I understand and that is perfectly fine to be afraid and to listen to and believe every negative out there to progress.. God bless of course - once one finds there really are no problems, it seems a whole bit more obvious looking at sky is falling warnings.. just what that did for one.. As they say an ounce of prevention.. if there tho is no need to worry, making oneself sick is easy to do if one buys into what "everyone says"..

I like my environment. Wify on, routers on or off, cellphones on or off, or microwave oven on or off - none of that has created ONE IOTA of inconvenience, or harm or sickness or malady. NONE.

useful references of note:

*** http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102580-Link-between-WiFi-and-quality-of-life.-Personal-observations.&p=1221688&viewfull=1#post1221688

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?106948-Truth-Seeking-or-Click-Bait&p=1290394&viewfull=1#post1290394

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?106948-Truth-Seeking-or-Click-Bait&p=1290393&viewfull=1#post1290393

[DaveToo]

There's a company in Sweden that sells small pendants, key chains , etc that are said to absorb the harmful effects of wi-fi and cell phones called Neutralwise ...

impossible.

there's no way they could work, WIFI uses omnidirectional antenna (broad casts in every direction).... this whole thing doesn't make sense; products like that just re-enforce my take on this topic, it's meant to take advantage of those who are easily spooked and know very little technical data.

TargetT you've made your position very clear.
We must be very careful here in understanding what you said above.

1. Products like the one mentioned above are bogus.
2. People who buy/use them are being taken advantage of.
3. Those who buy/use the products aren't genuinely affected physically by Wifi signals.

1. Correct.
2. Correct.
3. Incorrect.

[DaveToo]

I just counted the amount of wiFy transmitters around me - 9 Since the late 1990's !
I have a micro-cell repeater for cellphone use

I also have numerous blue-tooth systems running continually.

Not only is my health perfect, there are no headaches, no fuzzies, no nothin out of the ordinary.

I even recently stopped by a cellphone tower which has been testing 5G - it feels FINE..

I wonder why I feel great? :sun:

(Maybe I don't buy into the fear mongering across so much media?)...

Obviously there are those who don't want convenience and are afraid of it. I understand and that is perfectly fine to be afraid and to listen to and believe every negative out there to progress.. God bless of course - once one finds there really are no problems, it seems a whole bit more obvious looking at sky is falling warnings.. just what that did for one.. As they say an ounce of prevention.. if there tho is no need to worry, making oneself sick is easy to do if one buys into what "everyone says"..

Bob I wouldn't try to project on this subject.

First of all, we are all different. There is a percentage of humans who are extremely sensitive to all things physical. I belong to this group.
It has its benefits but also can be a curse.

I had my first experience with a cell phone around 15 years ago when my brother handed me his to speak to his wife.
The second I brought it close to my ear I could feel a strong tingling in my head that was very uncomfortable.

I put off buying a cellphone for years and though I have one now, I turn it on only for emergency calls.
I bought a model that has the lowest SAR value on the market.
Despite that, when I turn on off airplane mode to make a call I can feel the signals from the phone in the temples of my head.
It is not pleasant.

I have an extremely low-powered portable Wifi router that I use occasionally in my home. The signal is so weak that it's difficult
to maintain a good connection even in the same room as the router!
I turn off my wired cable router/modem at night time.

To give you an idea of just how sensitive I am to EMF's Bob and TargetT, I need to keep my desktop computer in an adjoining room to where
I work. Only the monitor and keyboard are with me.
This is set up so I don't have to listen to the hard drive or feel the computer's EMF's.

I am also sensitive to any SATA hard drive or solid state drive.
As well I am sensitive to certain USB memory sticks, usually the bigger/higher capacity (more juice flowing through them) the more I feel them in my temples.

As I said in the beginning we are all different.
In my case I can feel when my body is warning me about something harmful.

Many people who like you Bob, thought their health was perfect and couldn't feel any ill-effects later came down with tumors in their brains
and other parts of their bodies where they kept their cellphones stored.
Check out the women who developed breast cancer after storing their cellphones in their bras.

[onawah]

VERY interesting! :bump: I think anyone who doesn't read Trisher's post is not going to have a complete understanding of this issue.
Those who think damage inflicted by emfs is due to negative thinking or overactive imaginations may not have a change of mind until they have a physical problem that affects their energy field and makes them vulnerable in the same way that many others already are, the "canaries in the coal mine" (who should never be reviled, but afforded real gratitude for being the warning system for everyone else).
Karma does come around that way!
The fact that birds, insects, animals and plants are adversely affected by emfs is sufficient proof of the dangers, except for those who prefer to remain in denial.

I have noticed that when doing a healing on people who are using mobile phones or technology that they have a new auric field around them which can extend out to two or three foot. This auric field which I now call the EMF body, is the closest band around the human body followed by the other energy bands that are normally there. These other bands are generally called the mental, emotional and causal. The EMF body pushes the others outward and displaces them. What this means is that the EMF body becomes part of the consciousness of the person and is fueled by EMFs and phones etc. This may explain the addiction to phones etc as it craves to be fed and energised. When cleared by grounding or healing the person reports feeling "weird" and out of balance and of course they go straight back into EMFs and put it all back.

I suspect that frequencies feed and manipulate this band of energy and affect the mental, emotional and spiritual well being of that person making it hard to connect to source and their spiritual nature. Once this band takes over people are swallowed up in technology and walk about constantly staring at screens. The wider the band, the bigger the disconnect. This disconnect is also connected up to the nano which is in the air, water, food and soil and of course our bodies. The microbiome is being changed by Glyphosphate to produce gut bacteria that respond to negative frequencies and are actually producing frequencies and toxins. That and the heavy metal exposure which of course makes us all antenna.

This means that we are being changed from both the outside and inside. Once we realise what a multi-pronged attack is being perpetrated we can get closer to finding solutions.
Trisher

[Trisher]

The microbiome is of utmost importance to human well being and health. There is now a plethora of information on it on the internet. It is well known that certain frequencies destroy these gut microbes. Dr Klinghardt refuses to treat people who continue to live in an EMF environment without shielding because it interferes with the gut and therefore health. Dr Seneff says that Glyphosphate destroys the gut bacteria and many proteins placing itself where Glycine and other aminos would go in the body. She says that it also destroys sulphur. We know that modern agriculture destroys soil bacteria and it cuts off nutrition to the plant via the Shikamate pathways..the same pathways that the gut bacteria have. The soil bacteria could be seen to be the earths microbiome. We have chemtrails covering the earth and us in chemicals, metals and nanos. All of these things respond to frequencies and grow accordingly in the body and on the earth. Many people are unwell and children have increasing cases of autism and diseases that only adults used to have.

What is noticeable is that people with the EMF body simply love their tech and appear unaffected by it. They appear to have become that frequency and feed on it. Those who are sensitized to EMFs are desperately trying to clear the EMF body because they can feel what it is doing to them. They report that their connection to source/heart is being shut down and that they can no longer sense their own energy, the tree energy or the crystal energy etc. Once they are cleared by grounding/taking a long shower/ getting out of the EMFs they get that connection back. Those that are totally swallowed by the EMF body and have not been able to clear seem to be locked into a world where their minds are in control and their hearts are closed. These people will not be able to use their senses to feel into nature or even their own energy but will still "think" they can. Some however report that their healing powers have gone as has their ability to sense this and that and they feel like they are living in some constant limbo. Clearing the EMF body does bring this ability back.

Looking at the bigger picture we can see that people are losing their ability to hold their natural light/ energy source. We are being forced into another EMF light energy source. We are being dumbed down by many sly pathways. Are we holding an unnatural energy in our bodies to feed some other unnatural life form or AI?

On a positive note there are a few things that work to clear. Glycine is reported to help clear out Glyphosphate as is MMS. Sulphur is reported to help the detox process ..both MSM for clearing body toxins plus a heap more and the inorganic flowers of sulphur which sort out the gut bacteria. Apparently the Navy seals take 3 tsps of the yellow sulphur per day. The yellow sulphur is a little known hidden remedy but dates back many years and is used in sulphur cures in Germany. Dr Karl Probst is on Youtube for those that speak German. Then there is grounding. Running water and swimming are particularly helpful.

If you don't know you have been placed into a coma then you will have no reason to wake up out of it.

Trisher

[onawah]

A good 9 part series being aired for free now concerning the microbiome and immune system, called Interconnected. ( At least, I found part 1 to be interesting, and usually these kinds of series drag on way too long for me, so I will be tuning in to more.)
EPISODE 1: The Invisible Organ: The Missing Piece In Health And Longevity
https://www.interconnectedseries.com/episode1tsa/
( It will probably be shown for free again after this first airing--you just have to get on their mailing list to be informed.)

Interesting how this info about the microbione and immune system is coming to the fore now just as the issues dealing with the dangers of vaccine and 5G are becoming obvious, when obviously, the best way to stay healthy is to build on our immune systems and microbiomes naturally, instead of invading and traumatizing them with toxins via vaccines and deadly frequencies.

https://www.interconnectedseries.com/episode1tsa/
The microbiome is of utmost importance to human well being and health. There is now a plethora of information on it on the internet. It is well known that certain frequencies destroy these gut microbes. Dr Klinghardt refuses to treat people who continue to live in an EMF environment without shielding because it interferes with the gut and therefore health. Dr Seneff says that Glyphosphate destroys the gut bacteria and many proteins placing itself where Glycine and other aminos would go in the body. She says that it also destroys sulphur. We know that modern agriculture destroys soil bacteria and it cuts off nutrition to the plant via the Shikamate pathways..the same pathways that the gut bacteria have. The soil bacteria could be seen to be the earths microbiome. We have chemtrails covering the earth and us in chemicals, metals and nanos. All of these things respond to frequencies and grow accordingly in the body and on the earth. Many people are unwell and children have increasing cases of autism and diseases that only adults used to have.

What is noticeable is that people with the EMF body simply love their tech and appear unaffected by it. They appear to have become that frequency and feed on it. Those who are sensitized to EMFs are desperately trying to clear the EMF body because they can feel what it is doing to them. They report that their connection to source/heart is being shut down and that they can no longer sense their own energy, the tree energy or the crystal energy etc. Once they are cleared by grounding/taking a long shower/ getting out of the EMFs they get that connection back. Those that are totally swallowed by the EMF body and have not been able to clear seem to be locked into a world where their minds are in control and their hearts are closed. These people will not be able to use their senses to feel into nature or even their own energy but will still "think" they can. Some however report that their healing powers have gone as has their ability to sense this and that and they feel like they are living in some constant limbo. Clearing the EMF body does bring this ability back.

Looking at the bigger picture we can see that people are losing their ability to hold their natural light/ energy source. We are being forced into another EMF light energy source. We are being dumbed down by many sly pathways. Are we holding an unnatural energy in our bodies to feed some other unnatural life form or AI?

On a positive note there are a few things that work to clear. Glycine is reported to help clear out Glyphosphate as is MMS. Sulphur is reported to help the detox process ..both MSM for clearing body toxins plus a heap more and the inorganic flowers of sulphur which sort out the gut bacteria. Apparently the Navy seals take 3 tsps of the yellow sulphur per day. The yellow sulphur is a little known hidden remedy but dates back many years and is used in sulphur cures in Germany. Dr Karl Probst is on Youtube for those that speak German. Then there is grounding. Running water and swimming are particularly helpful.

If you don't know you have been placed into a coma then you will have no reason to wake up out of it.

Trisher

[petra]

Interesting how this info about the microbione and immune system is coming to the fore now just as the issues dealing with the dangers of vaccine and 5G are becoming obvious, when obviously, the best way to stay healthy is to build on our immune systems and microbiomes naturally, instead of invading and traumatizing them with toxins via vaccines and deadly frequencies.


When you said "build on our immune system", I immediately thought of AIDS, which is of course doing the exact opposite. It's probably "devil's advocate talk", but I can't help but wonder could these new issues be like a variation of AIDS? (EDIT: Maybe variation is not the best word - this seems more of an invisible problem). Sure seems pretty similar, with the end result being lowered immunity.

[Bob]

Dear Dave - it is so sad that you are feeling sensitive to anything in the environment that is emitting electromagnetic energy..

How do you feel when you walk outside in the SUN - see link https://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/2015/06/popular-delusions-electrosensitivity/

@TargeT pointed that out earlier in the thread.

THE SUN EMITS more energy than any of our electromagnetics devices anywhere on the planet. One can monitor the electromagnetic spectrum from a couple megahertz upwards through many bands, including those of cellphones, routers, wifi's and many many communications systems.


Here is how the sun's energy can be "modulated", or pulsed.

When trees block the sun with their leaves moving, or the clouds moving changing the intensity and spectrum of energy from the SUN everyone in the emissions are being modulated by much more power signals than one would receive from being close to one's computer or wifi or router.

That can be documented - @TargeT brought that up earlier. See this quote below from one of the others who have noted this about the Sun:


Even if there were something in the human body that was sensitive to radiation, the question is why this should be a new problem. The radio waves used by wireless technology are no different from the radio waves that carry AM and FM signals, ham radio, GPS, and radar – the same kind that human technology has used for decades. The Sun bathes the planet in radio waves and other kinds of electromagnetic radiation as well, yet no one seems to be complaining about that (unless you count sunburns).

But in spite of lacking evidence to back up their claims, people who claim electrosensitivity have proven to be an eager and lucrative market for quack products – including, yes, literal tinfoil hats. Other sufferers have gone so far as to move to Green Bank, West Virginia, a federally mandated quiet zone where cellular and wireless signals are banned, so as not to interfere with the super-sensitive radio telescopes of the National Radio Astronomy Observatory.

None of this is to say that all electrosensitivity sufferers are crazy.

It’s possible that their illness is all in their heads (the nocebo effect), but it’s also possible that they’re suffering from something, they’re just mistaken about what the cause is.

Unfortunately, as with all pseudosciences, their obsession with a fictitious problem lets unscrupulous charlatans take advantage of them, while impeding the real scientific research that might genuinely help.

One needs to ask the questions to attempt to find the reasons - there fore what a doctor would ask are these questions:

Do you do drugs? Have you ever done drugs? They would ask that as some drugs can definitely induce "sensitivities" Do they have an inherent disease such as myelin sheath disorder exposing the nervous system to any external stimuli?

I NOT have any symptoms for any electromagnetics what-so-ever. I would like to know what makes me different, why don't I perceive electromagnetics coming from my computer, cellphone, SATA drives, USB sticks.

A doctor would ask this too Dave:

"Why are you special? What makes you so different than the rest of us ?"

I can accept that, I don't understand why, you are different ? A doctor would ask, have you had yourself tested? Have you had EEG/EKG and blood tests? Has any authority skilled in the art of psychiatry ever been able to diagnose what condition you describe?

An environment analyst would start to look in the environment where you live and/or work. Is there sick building syndrome? Is there a carbon monoxide leak, is there black mold, is there chemical toxicity in the carpet?

Maybe you are onto something and the world most importantly would need to know what makes you different from the rest of folks who don't pick up electromagnetics.

I haven't heard of people being concerned about electromagnetics until some new age concerns started to be published - I have not seen people concerned about for instance when they were in the various world wars, or the Korean war when there was numerous radios, radars, shipboard to land communications - they were never-before-concerned, and there was no "problem" and it seems to me anyone saying to their CO that their RADIO was making them sick, or that their fire control console was making them sick (a basic computer back then) that they would be sent to medical for an evaluation. It might result in a section 8 discharge.


EM sensitivity is a syndrome (https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Stacy_Eltiti/publication/242731969_Mobile_Telecommunications_and_Health_Research_Programme_Hypersensitivity_Symptoms_Associat ed_with_Electromagnetic_Field_Exposure/links/00b7d529e6d83c5d1d000000.pdf)

I am frustrated continually, attempting to "figure it out" when I see "study after study" describing that such is happening. I never see in the studies exactly how can a very weak electromagnetic (in essence radio signal) make a nerve fire. A nerve has to fire for something to be physically perceived by the brain. The energy is too low to cause firing. I don't understand why a person then can 'perceive' anything that is technically impossible to perceive.

I know my self, my environment, and I have been exposed since 1965 to electromagnetics of all kinds. ALL kinds. All so many different bands. I've built so many devices that can have electromagnetic fields, and I have be put together microprocessors, radios oh so many over the years.. NOTHING what-so-ever has caused ANY DAMAGE to the body, brain, nervous system, nor are their signals felt or perceived. I once shocked myself by putting my finger accidentally across a non-discharged power supply capacitor, but that was it, such was not a subtle energy.

Besides the wifi around me, I took a bit more of an inventory - I have a SMART-POWER METER running too - for about 5 years - zero problems, what it gives me is a better power consumption billing and ease of determining when the peak power uses are, so that I can plan my power use to "off-hours".. I also have 5 SATELLITE DISHES with microwave oscillators within. I have 5 microwave motion detectors, multiple microwave cameras on my property. I have land-line phones which are wireless. Everything continually is creating EM SOUP. AND ZERO effects - for many many tens of years. ZERO effects. None of my family feels EMF either. Neither in my own location or theirs. Are we immune or is the effect just not something that we buy into?

It bothers me immensely if you are going to tell me it is cumulative - there is nothing cumulative happening. I have had the time for "accumulation" well exceeded by anyone reporting that they got tumors from their cellphone in their breast pocket.

I tested out 5G exposure. I am eager to get my 5G systems and repeaters working where I live. I need the bandwidth.

I went to a 5G cellphone tower not too far from here, where the tower is at EYE LEVEL. Directly into the beams for anyone driving by, walking by or living hear it. There was no sensation, no pains, no damage, no nothing except my cellphone had 5 Bars ! it was great - zero effects and full signal.

These are useful ref that get into understand how EMF sensitivity might happen:

https://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/ems.html
https://bigthink.com/neurobonkers/wifi-wont-make-you-ill-but-thinking-it-will-really-can
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nocebo
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/psychogenic


The researchers found that particularly anxious participants could actually be manipulated into feeling unwell in response to the fake WiFi by showing them a documentary that described so called "electromagnetic hypersensitivity." Interestingly, the TV show had the opposite effect on less anxious individuals.

and


Furthermore, the review showed people who claim to be electro-sensitive are no more likely to correctly identify electromagnetic radiation than control participants; indeed in some experiments, the control participants were actually more likely to correctly identify electromagnetic radiation than people who deem themselves to be sensitive, as you would expect to sometimes occur by chance.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/2015/06/popular-delusions-electrosensitivity/

What concerns me greatly is that if there is no actual effect from ultra-low power EMF affecting bodies, then WHO is behind pushing that there is such an effect?

Who would stand to gain by all of us destroying our ability to communicate?

This worries me Dave if it (the ability to perceive it) is really not there, why are some of us feeling it, and others not? I don't understand it and I am asking questions to understand why.




I just counted the amount of wiFy transmitters around me - 9 Since the late 1990's !
I have a micro-cell repeater for cellphone use

I also have numerous blue-tooth systems running continually.

Not only is my health perfect, there are no headaches, no fuzzies, no nothin out of the ordinary.

I even recently stopped by a cellphone tower which has been testing 5G - it feels FINE..

I wonder why I feel great? :sun:

(Maybe I don't buy into the fear mongering across so much media?)...

Obviously there are those who don't want convenience and are afraid of it. I understand and that is perfectly fine to be afraid and to listen to and believe every negative out there to progress.. God bless of course - once one finds there really are no problems, it seems a whole bit more obvious looking at sky is falling warnings.. just what that did for one.. As they say an ounce of prevention.. if there tho is no need to worry, making oneself sick is easy to do if one buys into what "everyone says"..

Bob I wouldn't try to project on this subject.

First of all, we are all different. There is a percentage of humans who are extremely sensitive to all things physical. I belong to this group.
It has its benefits but also can be a curse.

I had my first experience with a cell phone around 15 years ago when my brother handed me his to speak to his wife.
The second I brought it close to my ear I could feel a strong tingling in my head that was very uncomfortable.

I put off buying a cellphone for years and though I have one now, I turn it on only for emergency calls.
I bought a model that has the lowest SAR value on the market.
Despite that, when I turn on off airplane mode to make a call I can feel the signals from the phone in the temples of my head.
It is not pleasant.

I have an extremely low-powered portable Wifi router that I use occasionally in my home. The signal is so weak that it's difficult
to maintain a good connection even in the same room as the router!
I turn off my wired cable router/modem at night time.

To give you an idea of just how sensitive I am to EMF's Bob and TargetT, I need to keep my desktop computer in an adjoining room to where
I work. Only the monitor and keyboard are with me.
This is set up so I don't have to listen to the hard drive or feel the computer's EMF's.

I am also sensitive to any SATA hard drive or solid state drive.
As well I am sensitive to certain USB memory sticks, usually the bigger/higher capacity (more juice flowing through them) the more I feel them in my temples.

As I said in the beginning we are all different.
In my case I can feel when my body is warning me about something harmful.

Many people who like you Bob, thought their health was perfect and couldn't feel any ill-effects later came down with tumors in their brains
and other parts of their bodies where they kept their cellphones stored.
Check out the women who developed breast cancer after storing their cellphones in their bras.


First of all, we are all different. There is a percentage of humans who are extremely sensitive to all things physical. I belong to this group.
It has its benefits but also can be a curse.

The questions to ask are WHY do you feel you are sensitive? What has documented that your brain and nerves and blood has responded (stress hormones would show up in blood tests).


Many people who like you Bob, thought their health was perfect and couldn't feel any ill-effects later came down with tumors in their brains

I have pointed out there are zero difficulties in the people that I know in my environment and myself - we don't dwell on conspiratorial what-if's. Possibly because I find tools to be helpful that they don't pose any fear to me? One can talk oneself into a tizzy easily enough and there are plenty of studies that show stress reactions when someone encounters something that they don't understand. Frankly encountering a squatch, or chupacabra would scare the dickens out of me and I would psychosomatically FEEL TERROR everywhere. I'd even look in my closets, or under my bed.. that for me would be a button, and I would react to it - the fear of the unknown coupled with believing (that such exists) can be terrifying..

BUT emf doesn't scare me, nor do my electromagnetic tools.


To give you an idea of just how sensitive I am to EMF's Bob and TargetT, I need to keep my desktop computer in an adjoining room to where
I work. Only the monitor and keyboard are with me.

I actually was invited to Massachusetts some years ago to do a study on a person who exactly claimed extreme bio-sensitivity to electromagnetics. I watched her jump when a light switch was turned on in the room.. I saw her x-rays of her spine too, and she had a myelin sheath disease which caused abnormal sensitivity. I totally felt her pain and empathised with her situation. We addressed SOLUTIONS and she never had any sensitivity to emf thereafter.. All from looking objectively asking questions, the right ones, and then trying solutions..

As you know I asked in my question above, is there a disease condition present? Has something created a nervous system hyper-sensitivity? Very logical questions that appear any time anyone is attempting to get answers.

I want to know - what exactly makes your nervous system different? And I pointed out that that would be a great line of study to document why people feel and why the majority of people don't feel emf.

Clear and simple, and objective. Solve the mystery and a lot of suffering will be addressed.

[AriG]

@bob,

Do you have any research to support your POV that EMFs and radiofrequency poses no ill effects to 100% of the population? let alone the pending millimeter wave frequency that is being forced down people’s throats? You are aware that Belgium has put this on the back burner out of concern for potential health effects?

Also, your post feels really angry. You suggested that another member might be doing drugs? Are you 100% certain that all the tech is your house isn’t making you angry ( the first tell tale Sign that there may be an underlying physical illness).

I moved out of the city about six years ago. I live in an area that doesn’t even get dsl! We finally got a wireless system a few months ago. But I can tell you that being away from all the frequencies has improved my health and thinking.

I am sure that you are a kind and caring person- you are a member of this community and if you didn’t care about better outcomes for humanity, well I am sure you wouldn’t be here on this platform.

I can be the world’s biggest jerk. I can get into a dark mood and say things that I truly do not mean or believe. I am not judging- I have no right, but maybe take a look at what is causing your vitriol. I am certain that this is not normal for you?

ETA

bob, you mentioned that EMF sensitivity is a syndrome, not a condition. Same used to be the consensus regarding fibromyalgia- now big Pharma has a drug for that.

[Bob]

The post thread title says personal observations - I tried my best to point out my observations and to then ask questions that to me any researcher or medico or scientist would ask to attempt to get answers. I apologize if I was too abrupt or not eloquent in my dialog.

[AriG]

OK Bob, but health issues are 100% subjective. Not the same thing as sensational mud raking. I used to think that fibromyalgia was a bs thing, and even judged an employee for claiming it. Now, in addition to Hashimotos, I also have fibromyalgia- it feels like one’s muscles and joints are burning almost all the time (like a heavy workout). So that was Karma in action- ironic.

[TomKat]

Bob, just glancing Bob, through your message Bob, that you Bob, are saying Bob, that Dave is crazy Bob, for feeling Bob, anything Bob, from any EMF Bob. Is that about right Bob? :-)


Dear Dave - it is so sad that you are believing that you are so sensitive to anything in the environment that is emitting..
How do you feel when you walk outside in the SUN

THE SUN EMITS more energy than any of our electromagnetics devices anywhere on the planet.

Think about that for a minute. When trees block the sun with their leaves moving, or the clouds moving changing the intensity and spectrum of energy from the SUN YOU are being modulated by much more power signals than you have ever received---- EVER from any electromagnetic apparatus.

Do you do drugs Dave? Have you ever done drugs Dave? Just asking as some drugs can definitely induce "sensitivities" to everything including hearsay scare tactics being repeated ad nauseaum from numerous posters across the internet cherry picking whatever suits their cause. Do those cherry pickers have similar reaction? I would ask them to be honest, did they ever do drugs? Do they have an inherent disease such as myelin sheath disorder exposing the nervous system to any external stimuli?

I don't do drugs Dave, I don't care to and I have no desire to play with folks who do use drugs and exhibit psychosis or "me too" cherry picking to promulgate biological idiocy. The human body is not designed nor is the nervous system designed to "pick up radio waves".. As I pointed out the SUN would be the most damaging aspect to such a person as the amount of POWER coming out of the SUN is beyond anything that any human transmitter can produce - compared to the SUN cellphones, or SATA hard drives or computers, or microwave towers are minuscule in their output.

Why Dave do I NOT have any symptoms for any electromagnetics what-so-ever ? Dave I don't buy into the nonsense, the cherry picking, the so called "reports" by alleged scientists or anyone purporting to be concerned in those subjects - they clearly to me have zero experience in "feeling" electromagnetics, nor do they have any technical or biological background. They cherry pick and repeat what they feel will bolster their cause, basically rabble rousing to get their cause heard and or accepted by people also who have NO CLUE as to the energetic dynamics behind a nerve being able to pick up and or register a weak electromagnetic RF signal from an electromagnetic generating device.

Why Dave are you special? What makes you so different than the rest of us NORMAL humans? You say you can pick up electromagnetics - so, you are different obviously - have you had yourself tested? Have you had EEG/EKG and blood tests? Has any authority skilled in the art of psychiatry ever been able to diagnose what condition you describe? Maybe you are onto something and the world most importantly would need to know what makes you so different from the rest of folks who DON'T pick up electromagnetics and are not concerned about EMF coming out of very weak human made creations..

The Sun Dave has more output than anything us humans can create - and it's been here for billions of years Dave - billions... and LIFE continues to flourish, grow and sustain.

EM sensitivity is a syndrome Dave - many people CLAIM IT but it cannot be shown what in their bodies actually causes such a syndrome to persist. The difference here Dave, is I DON'T BUY INTO what I consider is nonsense. I know power levels and absorption levels, and there is no physical way that such signals from what you describe can actually do anything physical - what is left to be believed is that it is "all in one's head". That is what the medical folks say, the psychologists, the technologist, those experienced in body/nervous system research AND documentation.

I laugh when I see so called "study after study" being cherry picked that such and such is happening. I know my self, my environment, and I have been exposed since 1965 to electromagnetics of all kinds. ALL kinds. All bands, all devices that can be put together from microprocessors to radios all across the bands. NOTHING what-so-ever has caused ANY DAMAGE nor are the signals felt or perceived.

I took a bit more of an inventory - I have a SMART-POWER METER running too - for about 5 years - zero problems, what it gives me is a better power consumption billing and ease of determining when the peak power uses are, so that I can plan my power use to "off-hours".. I also have 5 SATELLITE DISHES with microwave oscillators within. I have 5 microwave motion detectors, multiple microwave cameras on my property. I have land-line phones which are wireless. Everything continually is creating EM SOUP. AND ZERO effects - for many many tens of years. ZERO effects.

So please don't try to say to me it is cumulative - there is nothing cumulative happening. I am eager to get my 5G systems and repeaters working where I live. I need the bandwidth, and as I said from first experience to 5G cellphone tower not too far from here, it was great - zero effects.

useful ref:

https://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/ems.html
https://bigthink.com/neurobonkers/wifi-wont-make-you-ill-but-thinking-it-will-really-can
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nocebo
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/psychogenic


The researchers found that particularly anxious participants could actually be manipulated into feeling unwell in response to the fake WiFi by showing them a documentary that described so called "electromagnetic hypersensitivity." Interestingly, the TV show had the opposite effect on less anxious individuals.

and


Furthermore, the review showed people who claim to be electro-sensitive are no more likely to correctly identify electromagnetic radiation than control participants; indeed in some experiments, the control participants were actually more likely to correctly identify electromagnetic radiation than people who deem themselves to be sensitive, as you would expect to sometimes occur by chance.





I just counted the amount of wiFy transmitters around me - 9 Since the late 1990's !
I have a micro-cell repeater for cellphone use

I also have numerous blue-tooth systems running continually.

Not only is my health perfect, there are no headaches, no fuzzies, no nothin out of the ordinary.

I even recently stopped by a cellphone tower which has been testing 5G - it feels FINE..

I wonder why I feel great? :sun:

(Maybe I don't buy into the fear mongering across so much media?)...

Obviously there are those who don't want convenience and are afraid of it. I understand and that is perfectly fine to be afraid and to listen to and believe every negative out there to progress.. God bless of course - once one finds there really are no problems, it seems a whole bit more obvious looking at sky is falling warnings.. just what that did for one.. As they say an ounce of prevention.. if there tho is no need to worry, making oneself sick is easy to do if one buys into what "everyone says"..

Bob I wouldn't try to project on this subject.

First of all, we are all different. There is a percentage of humans who are extremely sensitive to all things physical. I belong to this group.
It has its benefits but also can be a curse.

I had my first experience with a cell phone around 15 years ago when my brother handed me his to speak to his wife.
The second I brought it close to my ear I could feel a strong tingling in my head that was very uncomfortable.

I put off buying a cellphone for years and though I have one now, I turn it on only for emergency calls.
I bought a model that has the lowest SAR value on the market.
Despite that, when I turn on off airplane mode to make a call I can feel the signals from the phone in the temples of my head.
It is not pleasant.

I have an extremely low-powered portable Wifi router that I use occasionally in my home. The signal is so weak that it's difficult
to maintain a good connection even in the same room as the router!
I turn off my wired cable router/modem at night time.

To give you an idea of just how sensitive I am to EMF's Bob and TargetT, I need to keep my desktop computer in an adjoining room to where
I work. Only the monitor and keyboard are with me.
This is set up so I don't have to listen to the hard drive or feel the computer's EMF's.

I am also sensitive to any SATA hard drive or solid state drive.
As well I am sensitive to certain USB memory sticks, usually the bigger/higher capacity (more juice flowing through them) the more I feel them in my temples.

As I said in the beginning we are all different.
In my case I can feel when my body is warning me about something harmful.

Many people who like you Bob, thought their health was perfect and couldn't feel any ill-effects later came down with tumors in their brains
and other parts of their bodies where they kept their cellphones stored.
Check out the women who developed breast cancer after storing their cellphones in their bras.

[Bob]

Bob, just glancing Bob, through your message Bob, that you Bob, are saying Bob, that Dave is crazy Bob, for feeling Bob, anything Bob, from any EMF Bob. Is that about right Bob? :-)


Dear Dave - it is so sad that you are believing that you are so sensitive to anything in the environment that is emitting..
How do you feel when you walk outside in the SUN

THE SUN EMITS more energy than any of our electromagnetics devices anywhere on the planet.

Think about that for a minute. When trees block the sun with their leaves moving, or the clouds moving changing the intensity and spectrum of energy from the SUN YOU are being modulated by much more power signals than you have ever received---- EVER from any electromagnetic apparatus.

Do you do drugs Dave? Have you ever done drugs Dave? Just asking as some drugs can definitely induce "sensitivities" to everything including hearsay scare tactics being repeated ad nauseaum from numerous posters across the internet cherry picking whatever suits their cause. Do those cherry pickers have similar reaction? I would ask them to be honest, did they ever do drugs? Do they have an inherent disease such as myelin sheath disorder exposing the nervous system to any external stimuli?

I don't do drugs Dave, I don't care to and I have no desire to play with folks who do use drugs and exhibit psychosis or "me too" cherry picking to promulgate biological idiocy. The human body is not designed nor is the nervous system designed to "pick up radio waves".. As I pointed out the SUN would be the most damaging aspect to such a person as the amount of POWER coming out of the SUN is beyond anything that any human transmitter can produce - compared to the SUN cellphones, or SATA hard drives or computers, or microwave towers are minuscule in their output.

Why Dave do I NOT have any symptoms for any electromagnetics what-so-ever ? Dave I don't buy into the nonsense, the cherry picking, the so called "reports" by alleged scientists or anyone purporting to be concerned in those subjects - they clearly to me have zero experience in "feeling" electromagnetics, nor do they have any technical or biological background. They cherry pick and repeat what they feel will bolster their cause, basically rabble rousing to get their cause heard and or accepted by people also who have NO CLUE as to the energetic dynamics behind a nerve being able to pick up and or register a weak electromagnetic RF signal from an electromagnetic generating device.

Why Dave are you special? What makes you so different than the rest of us NORMAL humans? You say you can pick up electromagnetics - so, you are different obviously - have you had yourself tested? Have you had EEG/EKG and blood tests? Has any authority skilled in the art of psychiatry ever been able to diagnose what condition you describe? Maybe you are onto something and the world most importantly would need to know what makes you so different from the rest of folks who DON'T pick up electromagnetics and are not concerned about EMF coming out of very weak human made creations..

The Sun Dave has more output than anything us humans can create - and it's been here for billions of years Dave - billions... and LIFE continues to flourish, grow and sustain.

EM sensitivity is a syndrome Dave - many people CLAIM IT but it cannot be shown what in their bodies actually causes such a syndrome to persist. The difference here Dave, is I DON'T BUY INTO what I consider is nonsense. I know power levels and absorption levels, and there is no physical way that such signals from what you describe can actually do anything physical - what is left to be believed is that it is "all in one's head". That is what the medical folks say, the psychologists, the technologist, those experienced in body/nervous system research AND documentation.

I laugh when I see so called "study after study" being cherry picked that such and such is happening. I know my self, my environment, and I have been exposed since 1965 to electromagnetics of all kinds. ALL kinds. All bands, all devices that can be put together from microprocessors to radios all across the bands. NOTHING what-so-ever has caused ANY DAMAGE nor are the signals felt or perceived.

I took a bit more of an inventory - I have a SMART-POWER METER running too - for about 5 years - zero problems, what it gives me is a better power consumption billing and ease of determining when the peak power uses are, so that I can plan my power use to "off-hours".. I also have 5 SATELLITE DISHES with microwave oscillators within. I have 5 microwave motion detectors, multiple microwave cameras on my property. I have land-line phones which are wireless. Everything continually is creating EM SOUP. AND ZERO effects - for many many tens of years. ZERO effects.

So please don't try to say to me it is cumulative - there is nothing cumulative happening. I am eager to get my 5G systems and repeaters working where I live. I need the bandwidth, and as I said from first experience to 5G cellphone tower not too far from here, it was great - zero effects.

useful ref:

https://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/ems.html
https://bigthink.com/neurobonkers/wifi-wont-make-you-ill-but-thinking-it-will-really-can
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nocebo
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/psychogenic


The researchers found that particularly anxious participants could actually be manipulated into feeling unwell in response to the fake WiFi by showing them a documentary that described so called "electromagnetic hypersensitivity." Interestingly, the TV show had the opposite effect on less anxious individuals.

and


Furthermore, the review showed people who claim to be electro-sensitive are no more likely to correctly identify electromagnetic radiation than control participants; indeed in some experiments, the control participants were actually more likely to correctly identify electromagnetic radiation than people who deem themselves to be sensitive, as you would expect to sometimes occur by chance.





I just counted the amount of wiFy transmitters around me - 9 Since the late 1990's !
I have a micro-cell repeater for cellphone use

I also have numerous blue-tooth systems running continually.

Not only is my health perfect, there are no headaches, no fuzzies, no nothin out of the ordinary.

I even recently stopped by a cellphone tower which has been testing 5G - it feels FINE..

I wonder why I feel great? :sun:

(Maybe I don't buy into the fear mongering across so much media?)...

Obviously there are those who don't want convenience and are afraid of it. I understand and that is perfectly fine to be afraid and to listen to and believe every negative out there to progress.. God bless of course - once one finds there really are no problems, it seems a whole bit more obvious looking at sky is falling warnings.. just what that did for one.. As they say an ounce of prevention.. if there tho is no need to worry, making oneself sick is easy to do if one buys into what "everyone says"..

Bob I wouldn't try to project on this subject.

First of all, we are all different. There is a percentage of humans who are extremely sensitive to all things physical. I belong to this group.
It has its benefits but also can be a curse.

I had my first experience with a cell phone around 15 years ago when my brother handed me his to speak to his wife.
The second I brought it close to my ear I could feel a strong tingling in my head that was very uncomfortable.

I put off buying a cellphone for years and though I have one now, I turn it on only for emergency calls.
I bought a model that has the lowest SAR value on the market.
Despite that, when I turn on off airplane mode to make a call I can feel the signals from the phone in the temples of my head.
It is not pleasant.

I have an extremely low-powered portable Wifi router that I use occasionally in my home. The signal is so weak that it's difficult
to maintain a good connection even in the same room as the router!
I turn off my wired cable router/modem at night time.

To give you an idea of just how sensitive I am to EMF's Bob and TargetT, I need to keep my desktop computer in an adjoining room to where
I work. Only the monitor and keyboard are with me.
This is set up so I don't have to listen to the hard drive or feel the computer's EMF's.

I am also sensitive to any SATA hard drive or solid state drive.
As well I am sensitive to certain USB memory sticks, usually the bigger/higher capacity (more juice flowing through them) the more I feel them in my temples.

As I said in the beginning we are all different.
In my case I can feel when my body is warning me about something harmful.

Many people who like you Bob, thought their health was perfect and couldn't feel any ill-effects later came down with tumors in their brains

and other parts of their bodies where they kept their cellphones stored.

Check out the women who developed breast cancer after storing their cellphones in their bras.

I really want to know about the reactivity and the movement against technology and anything that can make our lives easier and more efficient..

I want to know why I am immune to this EMF sensitivity.

To tell me that I am going to get tumors in my brain from WiFy was definitely a TRIGGER button to me. I apologize to the GROUP, the PUBLIC, the MODS and DaveToo if I came across as being unsensitive. I am I believe the most SENSITIVE person that I know who goes above and beyond to help people and to come with with solutions.

I PM'd @ILoveYou and @DaveToo to express my apology, and asked if I could assist, as I do have experience in diagnostics of background energy of all sorts. I have had a beautiful dialog with @ILoveYou. I attempted to ask @AriG if she would want to start a thread in Spiritual or Express Yourself so that we would not disrupt @ILoveYou's thread.

Since I am blocked from responding to posts in this thread, this is the only place where I can share my feelings to the group.

--blessings, love and light

Bob

[TomKat]

Dear Dave - it is so sad that you are believing that you are so sensitive to anything in the environment that is emitting..

How do you feel when you walk outside in the SUN

THE SUN EMITS more energy than any of our electromagnetics devices anywhere on the planet.

Think about that for a minute. When trees block the sun with their leaves moving, or the clouds moving changing the intensity and spectrum of energy from the SUN YOU are being modulated by much more power signals than you have ever received---- EVER from any electromagnetic apparatus.

Do you do drugs Dave? Have you ever done drugs Dave? Just asking as some drugs can definitely induce "sensitivities" to everything including hearsay scare tactics being repeated ad nauseaum from numerous posters across the internet cherry picking whatever suits their cause. Do those cherry pickers have similar reaction? I would ask them to be honest, did they ever do drugs? Do they have an inherent disease such as myelin sheath disorder exposing the nervous system to any external stimuli?

I don't do drugs Dave, I don't care to and I have no desire to play with folks who do use drugs and exhibit psychosis or "me too" cherry picking to promulgate biological idiocy. The human body is not designed nor is the nervous system designed to "pick up radio waves".. As I pointed out the SUN would be the most damaging aspect to such a person as the amount of POWER coming out of the SUN is beyond anything that any human transmitter can produce - compared to the SUN cellphones, or SATA hard drives or computers, or microwave towers are minuscule in their output.

Why Dave do I NOT have any symptoms for any electromagnetics what-so-ever ? Dave I don't buy into the nonsense, the cherry picking, the so called "reports" by alleged scientists or anyone purporting to be concerned in those subjects - they clearly to me have zero experience in "feeling" electromagnetics, nor do they have any technical or biological background. They cherry pick and repeat what they feel will bolster their cause, basically rabble rousing to get their cause heard and or accepted by people also who have NO CLUE as to the energetic dynamics behind a nerve being able to pick up and or register a weak electromagnetic RF signal from an electromagnetic generating device.

Why Dave are you special? What makes you so different than the rest of us NORMAL humans? You say you can pick up electromagnetics - so, you are different obviously - have you had yourself tested? Have you had EEG/EKG and blood tests? Has any authority skilled in the art of psychiatry ever been able to diagnose what condition you describe? Maybe you are onto something and the world most importantly would need to know what makes you so different from the rest of folks who DON'T pick up electromagnetics and are not concerned about EMF coming out of very weak human made creations..

The Sun Dave has more output than anything us humans can create - and it's been here for billions of years Dave - billions... and LIFE continues to flourish, grow and sustain.

EM sensitivity is a syndrome Dave - many people CLAIM IT but it cannot be shown what in their bodies actually causes such a syndrome to persist. The difference here Dave, is I DON'T BUY INTO what I consider is nonsense. I know power levels and absorption levels, and there is no physical way that such signals from what you describe can actually do anything physical - what is left to be believed is that it is "all in one's head". That is what the medical folks say, the psychologists, the technologist, those experienced in body/nervous system research AND documentation.

I laugh when I see so called "study after study" being cherry picked that such and such is happening. I know my self, my environment, and I have been exposed since 1965 to electromagnetics of all kinds. ALL kinds. All bands, all devices that can be put together from microprocessors to radios all across the bands. NOTHING what-so-ever has caused ANY DAMAGE nor are the signals felt or perceived.

I took a bit more of an inventory - I have a SMART-POWER METER running too - for about 5 years - zero problems, what it gives me is a better power consumption billing and ease of determining when the peak power uses are, so that I can plan my power use to "off-hours".. I also have 5 SATELLITE DISHES with microwave oscillators within. I have 5 microwave motion detectors, multiple microwave cameras on my property. I have land-line phones which are wireless. Everything continually is creating EM SOUP. AND ZERO effects - for many many tens of years. ZERO effects.

So please don't try to say to me it is cumulative - there is nothing cumulative happening. I am eager to get my 5G systems and repeaters working where I live. I need the bandwidth, and as I said from first experience to 5G cellphone tower not too far from here, it was great - zero effects.

useful ref:

https://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/ems.html
https://bigthink.com/neurobonkers/wifi-wont-make-you-ill-but-thinking-it-will-really-can
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nocebo
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/psychogenic


The researchers found that particularly anxious participants could actually be manipulated into feeling unwell in response to the fake WiFi by showing them a documentary that described so called "electromagnetic hypersensitivity." Interestingly, the TV show had the opposite effect on less anxious individuals.

and


Furthermore, the review showed people who claim to be electro-sensitive are no more likely to correctly identify electromagnetic radiation than control participants; indeed in some experiments, the control participants were actually more likely to correctly identify electromagnetic radiation than people who deem themselves to be sensitive, as you would expect to sometimes occur by chance.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/2015/06/popular-delusions-electrosensitivity/




I just counted the amount of wiFy transmitters around me - 9 Since the late 1990's !
I have a micro-cell repeater for cellphone use

I also have numerous blue-tooth systems running continually.

Not only is my health perfect, there are no headaches, no fuzzies, no nothin out of the ordinary.

I even recently stopped by a cellphone tower which has been testing 5G - it feels FINE..

I wonder why I feel great? :sun:

(Maybe I don't buy into the fear mongering across so much media?)...

Obviously there are those who don't want convenience and are afraid of it. I understand and that is perfectly fine to be afraid and to listen to and believe every negative out there to progress.. God bless of course - once one finds there really are no problems, it seems a whole bit more obvious looking at sky is falling warnings.. just what that did for one.. As they say an ounce of prevention.. if there tho is no need to worry, making oneself sick is easy to do if one buys into what "everyone says"..

Bob I wouldn't try to project on this subject.

First of all, we are all different. There is a percentage of humans who are extremely sensitive to all things physical. I belong to this group.
It has its benefits but also can be a curse.

I had my first experience with a cell phone around 15 years ago when my brother handed me his to speak to his wife.
The second I brought it close to my ear I could feel a strong tingling in my head that was very uncomfortable.

I put off buying a cellphone for years and though I have one now, I turn it on only for emergency calls.
I bought a model that has the lowest SAR value on the market.
Despite that, when I turn on off airplane mode to make a call I can feel the signals from the phone in the temples of my head.
It is not pleasant.

I have an extremely low-powered portable Wifi router that I use occasionally in my home. The signal is so weak that it's difficult
to maintain a good connection even in the same room as the router!
I turn off my wired cable router/modem at night time.

To give you an idea of just how sensitive I am to EMF's Bob and TargetT, I need to keep my desktop computer in an adjoining room to where
I work. Only the monitor and keyboard are with me.
This is set up so I don't have to listen to the hard drive or feel the computer's EMF's.

I am also sensitive to any SATA hard drive or solid state drive.
As well I am sensitive to certain USB memory sticks, usually the bigger/higher capacity (more juice flowing through them) the more I feel them in my temples.

As I said in the beginning we are all different.
In my case I can feel when my body is warning me about something harmful.

Many people who like you Bob, thought their health was perfect and couldn't feel any ill-effects later came down with tumors in their brains
and other parts of their bodies where they kept their cellphones stored.
Check out the women who developed breast cancer after storing their cellphones in their bras.

Bob, I'm just skimming Bob, through your message Bob, and Bob, it sounds Bob, like you Bob, are implying that Dave, Bob, is a drug addict because he feels Bob, things that you Bob, don't feel Bob. Is that Bob about right Bob? :-)

[Bob]

OK Bob, but health issues are 100% subjective. Not the same thing as sensational mud raking. I used to think that fibromyalgia was a bs thing, and even judged an employee for claiming it. Now, in addition to Hashimotos, I also have fibromyalgia- it feels like one’s muscles and joints are burning almost all the time (like a heavy workout). So that was Karma in action- ironic.

The best thing we can do is start up another thread somewhere else which relates to fibromyalgia and Hashimotos, and leave @ILoveYou's thread intact for discussion about her home (the op post 1)

[TomKat]

Dear Dave - it is so sad that you are believing that you are so sensitive to anything in the environment that is emitting..

How do you feel when you walk outside in the SUN

THE SUN EMITS more energy than any of our electromagnetics devices anywhere on the planet.

Think about that for a minute. When trees block the sun with their leaves moving, or the clouds moving changing the intensity and spectrum of energy from the SUN YOU are being modulated by much more power signals than you have ever received---- EVER from any electromagnetic apparatus.

Do you do drugs Dave? Have you ever done drugs Dave? Just asking as some drugs can definitely induce "sensitivities" to everything including hearsay scare tactics being repeated ad nauseaum from numerous posters across the internet cherry picking whatever suits their cause. Do those cherry pickers have similar reaction? I would ask them to be honest, did they ever do drugs? Do they have an inherent disease such as myelin sheath disorder exposing the nervous system to any external stimuli?

I don't do drugs Dave, I don't care to and I have no desire to play with folks who do use drugs and exhibit psychosis or "me too" cherry picking to promulgate biological idiocy. The human body is not designed nor is the nervous system designed to "pick up radio waves".. As I pointed out the SUN would be the most damaging aspect to such a person as the amount of POWER coming out of the SUN is beyond anything that any human transmitter can produce - compared to the SUN cellphones, or SATA hard drives or computers, or microwave towers are minuscule in their output.

Why Dave do I NOT have any symptoms for any electromagnetics what-so-ever ? Dave I don't buy into the nonsense, the cherry picking, the so called "reports" by alleged scientists or anyone purporting to be concerned in those subjects - they clearly to me have zero experience in "feeling" electromagnetics, nor do they have any technical or biological background. They cherry pick and repeat what they feel will bolster their cause, basically rabble rousing to get their cause heard and or accepted by people also who have NO CLUE as to the energetic dynamics behind a nerve being able to pick up and or register a weak electromagnetic RF signal from an electromagnetic generating device.

Why Dave are you special? What makes you so different than the rest of us NORMAL humans? You say you can pick up electromagnetics - so, you are different obviously - have you had yourself tested? Have you had EEG/EKG and blood tests? Has any authority skilled in the art of psychiatry ever been able to diagnose what condition you describe? Maybe you are onto something and the world most importantly would need to know what makes you so different from the rest of folks who DON'T pick up electromagnetics and are not concerned about EMF coming out of very weak human made creations..

The Sun Dave has more output than anything us humans can create - and it's been here for billions of years Dave - billions... and LIFE continues to flourish, grow and sustain.

EM sensitivity is a syndrome Dave - many people CLAIM IT but it cannot be shown what in their bodies actually causes such a syndrome to persist. The difference here Dave, is I DON'T BUY INTO what I consider is nonsense. I know power levels and absorption levels, and there is no physical way that such signals from what you describe can actually do anything physical - what is left to be believed is that it is "all in one's head". That is what the medical folks say, the psychologists, the technologist, those experienced in body/nervous system research AND documentation.

I laugh when I see so called "study after study" being cherry picked that such and such is happening. I know my self, my environment, and I have been exposed since 1965 to electromagnetics of all kinds. ALL kinds. All bands, all devices that can be put together from microprocessors to radios all across the bands. NOTHING what-so-ever has caused ANY DAMAGE nor are the signals felt or perceived.

I took a bit more of an inventory - I have a SMART-POWER METER running too - for about 5 years - zero problems, what it gives me is a better power consumption billing and ease of determining when the peak power uses are, so that I can plan my power use to "off-hours".. I also have 5 SATELLITE DISHES with microwave oscillators within. I have 5 microwave motion detectors, multiple microwave cameras on my property. I have land-line phones which are wireless. Everything continually is creating EM SOUP. AND ZERO effects - for many many tens of years. ZERO effects.

So please don't try to say to me it is cumulative - there is nothing cumulative happening. I am eager to get my 5G systems and repeaters working where I live. I need the bandwidth, and as I said from first experience to 5G cellphone tower not too far from here, it was great - zero effects.


Bob, it sounds Bob, that you're saying Bob, that people who perceive things that you don't Bob, have gone crazy from drugs. Bob, is that right? :-)

[AriG]

TomKat,

It sounds like Bob, TomKat, believes that if it either it hasn’t happened to him, TomKat, or if TomKat, it cannot be substantiated by Mainstream “professionals”, TomKat, that Bob, TomKat dismisses it’s validity.

Bob, Arig would like to introduce you to a finer nuance in human communication Bob:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analogy

😂

[Constance]

Dear Dave - it is so sad that you are believing that you are so sensitive to anything in the environment that is emitting..

How do you feel when you walk outside in the SUN

THE SUN EMITS more energy than any of our electromagnetics devices anywhere on the planet.

Think about that for a minute. When trees block the sun with their leaves moving, or the clouds moving changing the intensity and spectrum of energy from the SUN YOU are being modulated by much more power signals than you have ever received---- EVER from any electromagnetic apparatus.

Do you do drugs Dave? Have you ever done drugs Dave? Just asking as some drugs can definitely induce "sensitivities" to everything including hearsay scare tactics being repeated ad nauseaum from numerous posters across the internet cherry picking whatever suits their cause. Do those cherry pickers have similar reaction? I would ask them to be honest, did they ever do drugs? Do they have an inherent disease such as myelin sheath disorder exposing the nervous system to any external stimuli?

I don't do drugs Dave, I don't care to and I have no desire to play with folks who do use drugs and exhibit psychosis or "me too" cherry picking to promulgate biological idiocy. The human body is not designed nor is the nervous system designed to "pick up radio waves".. As I pointed out the SUN would be the most damaging aspect to such a person as the amount of POWER coming out of the SUN is beyond anything that any human transmitter can produce - compared to the SUN cellphones, or SATA hard drives or computers, or microwave towers are minuscule in their output.

Why Dave do I NOT have any symptoms for any electromagnetics what-so-ever ? Dave I don't buy into the nonsense, the cherry picking, the so called "reports" by alleged scientists or anyone purporting to be concerned in those subjects - they clearly to me have zero experience in "feeling" electromagnetics, nor do they have any technical or biological background. They cherry pick and repeat what they feel will bolster their cause, basically rabble rousing to get their cause heard and or accepted by people also who have NO CLUE as to the energetic dynamics behind a nerve being able to pick up and or register a weak electromagnetic RF signal from an electromagnetic generating device.

Why Dave are you special? What makes you so different than the rest of us NORMAL humans? You say you can pick up electromagnetics - so, you are different obviously - have you had yourself tested? Have you had EEG/EKG and blood tests? Has any authority skilled in the art of psychiatry ever been able to diagnose what condition you describe? Maybe you are onto something and the world most importantly would need to know what makes you so different from the rest of folks who DON'T pick up electromagnetics and are not concerned about EMF coming out of very weak human made creations..

The Sun Dave has more output than anything us humans can create - and it's been here for billions of years Dave - billions... and LIFE continues to flourish, grow and sustain.

EM sensitivity is a syndrome Dave - many people CLAIM IT but it cannot be shown what in their bodies actually causes such a syndrome to persist. The difference here Dave, is I DON'T BUY INTO what I consider is nonsense. I know power levels and absorption levels, and there is no physical way that such signals from what you describe can actually do anything physical - what is left to be believed is that it is "all in one's head". That is what the medical folks say, the psychologists, the technologist, those experienced in body/nervous system research AND documentation.

I laugh when I see so called "study after study" being cherry picked that such and such is happening. I know my self, my environment, and I have been exposed since 1965 to electromagnetics of all kinds. ALL kinds. All bands, all devices that can be put together from microprocessors to radios all across the bands. NOTHING what-so-ever has caused ANY DAMAGE nor are the signals felt or perceived.

I took a bit more of an inventory - I have a SMART-POWER METER running too - for about 5 years - zero problems, what it gives me is a better power consumption billing and ease of determining when the peak power uses are, so that I can plan my power use to "off-hours".. I also have 5 SATELLITE DISHES with microwave oscillators within. I have 5 microwave motion detectors, multiple microwave cameras on my property. I have land-line phones which are wireless. Everything continually is creating EM SOUP. AND ZERO effects - for many many tens of years. ZERO effects.

So please don't try to say to me it is cumulative - there is nothing cumulative happening. I am eager to get my 5G systems and repeaters working where I live. I need the bandwidth, and as I said from first experience to 5G cellphone tower not too far from here, it was great - zero effects.

useful ref:

https://www.quackwatch.org/01Quacker...opics/ems.html
https://bigthink.com/neurobonkers/wi...ill-really-can
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nocebo
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/psychogenic



Bob,

A personal observation starts with "I" and not "you".

This is clearly an attempt to assassinate the character of DaveToo (and anyone else who has an opposing view to your thoughts).

Bob, you have never walked in Dave's shoes (or anyone elses shoes here for that matter). No one has the right to pass judgement or make it personal about another persons state of health, regardless of what they think they know about a subject.

It really would be the height of ignorance and arrogance to do so.

:focus:

Update: Please see this post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102580-Link-between-WiFi-and-quality-of-life.-Personal-observations.&p=1290978&viewfull=1#post1290978).

[Bob]

I'll try to state some facts and leave out any evaluations.

Point observed - the body and nerves are incapable of perceiving at the distances which people are using for their products, either on their body or on their desk or in their room, or in their office or school, the EM content . That is documented. That people perceive such is described as nocebo's.

What happens when a scientist or a medical doctor looks at the EMF sensitivity situation is they start to ask questions. How they start is usually the below:

The first question would be, are you using drugs, have you used drugs, and which ones in particular? Do you have any nerve related disease, myelin sheath disease would be the most likely to ask about, then is there a history of any psychiatric disease in yourself or family, have you been treated for any form of such, then objective tests such as EEG and EKG, and blood workups.

The environment then would be analyzed.

Is there something like a carbon-monoxide leak present? Is there black mold present? Has the person consumed something which contains allergic toxins? Is there a toxin from a lead based paint? How about asbestos exposure? (severe internal allergies due to the fibre particles). Is there something in the carpet? (mites, or toxins from washing it for instance).

Has the person had a physical disease?

What will a doctor or environmental investigator conclude if the tests show normal levels of EMF, no contamination, and if there is no medical history of myelin sheath disease.

What will a doctor or environmental investigator say in a report?

Is a person prepared for those types of question?

[AriG]

Bob,

I have a seemingly off topic question for you ( but maybe not in the end, there may be some relevance to the original post.) Please forgive my transgression- and my question is, do you believe in life after physical death?

[Iloveyou]

I'm suggesting that we immediatly stop this kind of conversation in such a tone, otherwise I'll ask the moderators to close the thread for a week or two.

Bob I'd very much like to hear what you have to say. I'll give your observations and experience serious consideration. All the more, as I have no bad health effects either, I notice 'only' emotional and energetic – defining the term 'energetic' would be necessary, as many (like me) use the term when they have no other means to express precisely what they're feeling – effects.

There's much to consider in your post. And I find your opinion absolutely beneficial in the attempt to find a rational and non-hysterical standpoint.

Nevertheless the way you responded to Dave is full of – yes – vitriol, anger (justified, possibly) and is a personal attack. That's my observation, too. I'm glad, everyone seems to have gone to bed now, as I'm getting up and having a morning coffee, over here in Europe.

Ari, going off-topic for a while is no problem and though your way to approach things highly appeals to me, I don't expect to get any non-nonsensical answer to your question from Bob at this time. I'm curious in which way you think the after life topic is finally connected to EMF radiation.

Putting aside the question whether 5G (for example) is harmful to biological organisms or not, please also consider: who is it, who is putting enormous pressure to implement it worldwide as fast as possible. Who is that and why?


Add:
Spending time online via wifi makes me feel good, alert and energized. I don't notice time passing, I do not get tired, even after many hours online. While being online without wifi is getting tiring and boring quickly and leads to asking myself: do I really need that now? I find that highly alarming.

Could it be possible, that the intelligence behind these technologies (AI?) targets and attacks each individual at their weakest point - physically, mentally, emotionally or otherwise - and to what end?

[Trisher]

There are many many people who are sensitised to EMFs and these sensitive people are increasing as the EMFs increase. These people (and I am one) were sensitive before EMFs were in the environment. They sense trees and nature. They sense the energy of others and they can go into a room and sense what went on in there before them plus much much more. Naturally they can now sense the EMFs. I think that the point is these people have no choice in the matter. They cannot choose whether or not they have wifi and towers and cell phones around them. Nature and all its creatures also cannot choose. Instead they are dying. Not just because of EMFs but it is a great part of it. What drives the EMFs and technology is not a concern for humanity and its well being but money. There is a knowing blind spot from these big corporations. They want people to be enamoured with technology and lost in it. That way they get what they want...more money and a planet bathed in unnatural frequencies. To what end..well its ours.

If people want to be immersed in this technology then that is fine but for those that do not and are awake and can feel what it is doing to them then where is the off button?
Trisher

[MorningFox]

Bob, obviously you fail to understand the vast difference in frequencies between that of the sun and that of 5G. Just because they're both EMF doesn't mean they're the same thing.

[TomKat]

The point of thread derailing is very clear - so is trolling to elicit an emotional response instead of a sane objective dialog.

Point - the body and nerves are incapable of perceiving at the distances which people are using their products, either on their body or on their desk or in their room, or in their office or school, EM. That is documented. That people perceive such is described as nocebo's. Getting people hyped up on social media is a way to program people - documented. I don't buy into effects that are psychosomatic and I don't get psychosomatic effects. That is objective for me. I don't enjoy trolls and trolling concepts, it is disrespectful to the public and reduces the over-all credibility to a truth topic.

What we are left with is going through the 20 questions if we care to analyze, why is a person believing that they can perceive non-perceivable phenomena? The first question would be, are you using drugs, have you used drugs, and which ones in particular? Do you have any nerve related disease, myelin sheath disease would be the most likely to ask about, then is there a history of any psychiatric disease in yourself or family, have you been treated for any form of such, then objective tests such as EEG and EKG, and blood workups.

If there is only a desire as some have said that only conspiracy and not truth is to be discussed then it is useless to try to share objectivity, and the forum dives into reactivity.. there are plenty of sections for sharing reactivity and it's great that people can get off their chests what is bugging them. To attempt to slam science, and good objective analysis for hearsay pseudo anecdotal reporting in hopes to convince others to join in without understanding the mechanisms involved I feel is irresponsible or just plain unskilled dialogue in proper debate, or proper sharing.

The thread topic one more time says personal observations - if that is to be tossed to the wayside, let's petition the thread to be something more like mudslinging, lets trash science and attempt to destroy progress - anyone with me? I bet we'd get a lot of interest, don't you think?

I appreciate that you don't want beloved technology removed due to hysteria. But I don't discount people's reports that they can feel things science says that they can't. Science is a political and economic football and is probably not much more free than during Galileo's time. And I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss reports of accumulated damage, such as the claims of cell towers causing cancer in children in a CA central valley town.

[Iloveyou]

I'm sorry if anyone has been hurt on this thread and I'm sure it was not intentional. I too, believe that technologically implemented emf's (esp.5G) are harmful, and that electrosensitivity does exist, but I cannot be 100% sure and I'm aware (on my side) it is a believe. I'd find it important to listen to Bob's voice, too.

Once I said regarding a different topic: they don't have to bring ten million migrants into Europe, they just need to make people fear it. I cannot fully reject the possibility of being it similar with emf radiation. That would be devilish clever and it has probably already worked before. We should be allowed to consider that here, even if only as a hypothetical question. Maybe new insights can come out of it. So please, Paul or Constance, I ask humbly to let everyone speak.

The consensus in alternative thinking (if I'm not misled) is that non-natural emf radiation is dangerous and questioning this certainty maybe has to be brought to the table very cautiously, I don't know. Something is putting human beings under such enormous pressure that they're not able to live together healthy and peacefully. What ist that! Following this trail, I guess, one has to move one level above (or below) the question whether wifi/5G is harmful or not. It does have an effect on me. What if the reason is not said radiation, but something else beyond it?

I don't know if that makes any sense. I regret not being able to be more precise. At times things just go wrong and in hindsight noone can explain exactly how and why it happened.

[Trisher]

I have found it to be true that what you focus on you can bring that to you. Once people feel the effects of EMFs then yes they do tend to focus on it not because of a belief system but because they actually feel it and yes it does make them feel unwell. We are electrical beings and are at our best in a natural environment. We no longer have that. The debate on whether electrosensitivity is real or not is unimportant to those that have it. They know it is real. If you have to experience it first hand to know then so be it. I would not wish it on anyone. Not feeling anything is absolutely not stopping the effects. Dark field microscope blood analysis will show what it does.

There is incredulity when you ask someone to turn their phone off because it is affecting you. I have had people in my car and asked them to turn off their phones. They do and then sneak them back on. They are dumbfounded when you ask them again to turn it off because you can feel it. Then the idea that someone can feel something begins to penetrate. This is normal life for sensitised people. They are generally used to being labeled weird or reactive or any of the things mentioned on this thread unfortunately and they are certainly not believed. Remember that they cannot escape this environment should they want to go shopping or go to the cinema etc. Generally speaking they know it is pointless to say anything at all. The phone and tech addiction and disbelief overrides compassion and understanding and sensitised people are used to that reaction.

However they are the very people who others could possibly learn from. These people will be looking for solutions and finding them. They will be avoiding the things that make them feel unwell and cut away from their natural selves. They have every reason to find the answers that others may be desperate to learn one day.
Trisher

[XelNaga]

It definitely can be felt, it just depends on how sensitive each person is. Not even 5 regular senses work exactly the same for each person.
Energy workers are definitely more prone to feel things "normal" folks are unable to feel.

I for example, feel different "emanations" from my phone while I hold it in my hand, if network is set to 2g, 3g, or 4g.
The "emanations" are even stronger when mobile internet is turned on.

I can't prove this to anyone nor I want to, but one shouldn't discard something as "nocebo" just because he/she can't experience it.

Being sceptic is ok, we are all sceptics in one way or the other. But there is a difference between being sceptic and being just ignorant..

[XelNaga]

Bob, obviously you fail to understand the vast difference in frequencies between that of the sun and that of 5G. Just because they're both EMF doesn't mean they're the same thing.

I seriously can't believe that some people compare Sun with man-made devices, like wtf?!

[Iloveyou]

I want to emphasise that I have no doubt at all that the experiences of electrosensitive people are authentic and valid. I find them neither 'over'sensitive nor delusional or auto-suggestive, far from it. I, for one, am not a skeptic. I sometimes can feel a strange presence in a room or in a person. You should not have to justify or explain yourself. At first the suffering has to be stopped or at least minimized.

In case full 5G rollout (and what will come after 5G!) will not be stopped, I feel we need to explore all possible and even the 'impossible' ways how to deal with it personally, even run through thought experiments. I imagíne arriving at a point where my whole spirit-body-mind-system, my entire being unequivocally knows: this shall not affect me. (I don't mean positive thinking or affirmations which work mostly on a very superficial level, if at all.)

Once, long ago I read the story of an old Japanese man who, when he was a child, was in the midst of the horrors when the atomic bomb fell in 1945. He miraculously was the only one who survived without serious injuries. Later, when asked what had happened to him he answered: I don't know. I saw the fire and I knew that this will not affect me.

I often tried to find that story again, maybe it is just a legend.

[DaveToo]

I have found it to be true that what you focus on you can bring that to you. Once people feel the effects of EMFs then yes they do tend to focus on it not because of a belief system but because they actually feel it and yes it does make them feel unwell. We are electrical beings and are at our best in a natural environment. We no longer have that. The debate on whether electrosensitivity is real or not is unimportant to those that have it. They know it is real. If you have to experience it first hand to know then so be it. I would not wish it on anyone. Not feeling anything is absolutely not stopping the effects. Dark field microscope blood analysis will show what it does....

I am in agreement with almost everything you have said Trisher.
The only line I would disagree with is this one:
“I would not wish it on anyone” (not wish EMF sensitivity on anyone)

Even amongst the EMF-sensitive individuals there is variation.
Some may be extremely sensitive, others sensitive and still others mildly sensitive.

I believe that those of us, like me, who are able to feel EMF’s but not be totally overwhelmed by them, are actually in a better situation than those who can’t feel EMF’s.
The reasoning is simple; if you feel the EMF’s you can try to avoid them.
Those who can’t feel them obviously won’t look to avoid them.

In all cases when it gets to the point that I feel EMF’s from any source, I try to move to a location where I can’t feel them, or remove/turn off the device (if possible).

[DaveToo]

I’d just like to clear up a few points.


Bob’s response to what I said is interesting.

He stated he doesn’t believe I can feel EMF’s.

He gave numerous examples how his environment is bathed in EMF’s and he says he can’t feel any ill-effects whatsoever.
His conclusion up to this point was that EMF’s aren’t affecting his health.

Yet, when I mentioned that people can come down with brain tumors from cellphone use he exhibited a distinct fear/concern reaction (both publicly and in a private message).



It bothers me immensely if you are going to tell me it is cumulative - there is nothing cumulative happening. I have had the time for "accumulation" well exceeded by anyone reporting that they got tumors from their cellphone in their breast pocket.

He stated that he was not just bothered, but immensely bothered.
Why would someone who was convinced that EMF’s can cause no harm elicit this fear reaction?

He tried to assure us in the same post that EMF’s don’t scare him:

“BUT emf doesn't scare me, nor do my electromagnetic tools.”

And yet in a subsequent post once again he revealed just how concerned he really is:



“To tell me that I am going to get tumors in my brain from WiFy was definitely a TRIGGER button to me.

If he truly believes that EMF’s are harmless and can’t be sensed, why would he be “triggered” when the possibility of tumor development was mentioned?

By the way, I had not singled out Bob specifically as a likely candidate for a brain tumor.
I was referring to “many people”. This is what I wrote:


“Many people who like you Bob, thought their health was perfect and couldn't feel any ill-effects later came down with tumors in their brains and other parts of their bodies where they kept their cellphones stored.

[ClearWater]

I’d just like to clear up a few points.
FYI, Bob is apparently unable to respond in this thread (see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102580-Link-between-WiFi-and-quality-of-life.-Personal-observations.&p=1290556&viewfull=1#post1290556)). It would, therefore, seem appropriate for the discussion about Bob to stop, or at least to continue in private if it must.

[Iloveyou]

To tell me that I am going to get tumors in my brain from WiFy was definitely a TRIGGER button to me. I apologize to the GROUP, the PUBLIC, the MODS and DaveToo if I came across as being unsensitive. I am I believe the most SENSITIVE person that I know who goes above and beyond to help people and to come with with solutions.

I PM'd @ILoveYou and @DaveToo to express my apology, and asked if I could assist, as I do have experience in diagnostics of background energy of all sorts.

Had not seen Bob‘s update yet (thought he’d be able to respond again). I protest against barring people (well known and long-standing members) from a thread so quickly for no obvious reasons, and without explanation or even announcing it.

DaveToo, please let‘s not turn to a personal hickhack of who is right and who is not. It is my experience, that in a controversy both opposite parties are important to listen to. Though I understand that in a situation where one ist heavily affected, it is not easy to take things not personal.

Add:

What could people do in case it once happens to be no longer possible to avoid artificially implemented emf radiation, or escape from it. That worries me. I‘m thinking along the lines: when you can‘t change the outside, turn your attention to what you can do from the inside. As that is the only place where we have the last say.

It would require a huge leap. I‘m also aware it may sound somehow presumptious from someone who doesn‘t feel the ill effects. In the future there might come other things I’ll not be able to escape from. Is it pointless to think about that now?

[Constance]

Had not seen Bob‘s update yet (thought he’d be able to respond again). I protest against barring people (well known and long-standing members) from a thread so quickly for no obvious reasons, and without explanation or even announcing it.



Hi there ILoveYou :waving:

Apologies for not announcing something earlier. A decision was made to temporarily ban Bob from this thread for the original Ad hominem attacks he made on DaveToo. The moderators are still in discussion as to whether this ban should be made permanent. You can see Bobs original post and my response to Bob here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102580-Link-between-WiFi-and-quality-of-life.-Personal-observations.&p=1290567&viewfull=1#post1290567).

In the meantime, Bob is perfectly welcome to post on any other thread he likes or even start another thread as he suggested, on post # 72 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102580-Link-between-WiFi-and-quality-of-life.-Personal-observations.&p=1290558&viewfull=1#post1290558)

[Bill Ryan]

Hi, All:

I want to clarify some points here, about which I feel strongly. :)


The evidence is so overwhelming that some EMFs are damaging to humans that I regard this as a fact.





fact
/fakt/
noun
a thing that is known or proved to be true.


Some humans are more sensitive to EMFs than others.



Some EMFs have been weaponized for exactly the above reason.



EMFs are not the same as solar radiation.



If one looks up 'electrosmog' and also 'Barrie Trower' one can then start reading got a week. (Or maybe two!)



Anyone here who consistently and persistently arguing — or insisting — that EMFs are safe is actually causing harm to the community, whether intentionally or otherwise.



There is already a huge amount of information and reference material that's been shared on this existing thread:

Stop 5G before it's irreversible! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100537-Stop-5G-before-it-s-irreversible-)



Bob is welcome to post his arguments (and has done so, extensively, on the above thread) but when he starts punching below the belt we have to draw the line.


:focus:

[Bubu]

Searching Homemade Wi-fi blocker might bring up some useful results

That would not be too wise I guess. I think its easy to determine what material can block wifi signal. But we need to do a trial and error therefore, its good if more will participate in the hunt for wifi blocker.

So we have a wifi router at home and a laptop or any receiving device. What we need to do is encase or encapsulate the router with the material of choice. If we hit the correct material the connection should terminate. Then of course if you find that wonder material please report it here. Better on a new thread for everyone to see. I will probably start with mylar.

[Trisher]

I have a few. One is called ethernet connection. A wired connection to the computer and the phone socket. Wifi permanently turned off. Another is the "off" button. Just use briefly or as needed and then turn off. Some people say that when wifi is turned off using the internal computer settings, that it is often turned back on by upgrades. A hunt on EMF sites will reveal a range of materials that would be useful. Some are advertised as blocking wifi but then you find out its only if they are thoroughly wrapped several times with the material. A paint blocker on a custom made box or screen would work but would be expensive. I have seen mesh used to block smart meters by 98%. The thick silver grounding sheet used under bed nets works well.

The best is always not to have it at all and have the wired connection but I know that for some this would not work.
Trisher

[TomKat]

The best is always not to have it at all and have the wired connection but I know that for some this would not work.

And if you don't want to run cable, get some powerline adapaters. That's what I do.

[Franny]

The first time I was near a microwave tabletop oven I could certainly feel it. That was a looong time ago :).

I was staying with friends and had barely heard of them at the time, but they had one and I could feel it several times during the weekend I was there. I started looking for information on it at the library and local health food store. Eventually I found an article that stated Russia considered microwaves to be a weapon and not to be used as a kitchen appliance. Both are some of the reasons I have never purchased a microwave oven.

Microave ovens are better shielded now but I can still feel them when close.

The first time I was around wi-fi I could feel it but didn't know what it was tho' I soon found out. Another time a few years later I was staying with friends in their vacation home. I could feel the difference and I was unable to sleep well those 5 nights. It felt like a heaviness, almost a pounding, an attack. It was a very strong signal for that time and could be picked up from about 30 yards away.

Here on the island wi-fi is mostly available, but there are many areas where it is not. When I go there, OMG, I can certainly feel the difference. I feel lighter, better. I have wi-fi capability at home but use ethernet cable.

When the UV radiation from the sun is high I can feel it. It's the most subtle but when I check the levels in my area it corresponds to what I suspect may be high UV.

So, yes, some people can feel some of these energies.

[Trisher]

The best is always not to have it at all and have the wired connection but I know that for some this would not work.

And if you don't want to run cable, get some powerline adapaters. That's what I do.

These adaptors do work to get connectivity wherever there is electricity but sorry to say that when tested with an EMF detector they show an increase in EMFs a few feet out into the room throughout the house.
Trisher

[DaveToo]

The best is always not to have it at all and have the wired connection but I know that for some this would not work.

And if you don't want to run cable, get some powerline adapaters. That's what I do.

These adaptors do work to get connectivity wherever there is electricity but sorry to say that when tested with an EMF detector they show an increase in EMFs a few feet out into the room throughout the house.
Trisher

Thanks Trisher.
In the "Generation Zapped" film that Bill linked to a couple of days ago they mentioned the Powerline adapters as a good alternative to straight WiFi. :(
There were some other comments made in the film that I will address shortly in the 5G thread.

[TomKat]

The best is always not to have it at all and have the wired connection but I know that for some this would not work.

And if you don't want to run cable, get some powerline adapaters. That's what I do.

These adaptors do work to get connectivity wherever there is electricity but sorry to say that when tested with an EMF detector they show an increase in EMFs a few feet out into the room throughout the house.
Trisher

Well that's a bit different to broadcasting a microwave signal..

[frankstien]

https://i.ibb.co/w7TPBny/slavery-vs-freedom-12x9-2019-w.jpg

[Trisher]

The best is always not to have it at all and have the wired connection but I know that for some this would not work.

And if you don't want to run cable, get some powerline adapaters. That's what I do.

These adaptors do work to get connectivity wherever there is electricity but sorry to say that when tested with an EMF detector they show an increase in EMFs a few feet out into the room throughout the house.
Trisher

Well that's a bit different to broadcasting a microwave signal..

I would have replied sooner but needed to get the facts on this from someone that does emf surveys as a profession. Apparently each adaptor raises the dirty electricity in the house by 400 units when measured by a stetzer dirty electricity meter. This is in the UK so cannot speak for any other country. So just one of these adaptors in the UK will raise the dirty electricity in the house above the safe level.
Trisher

[Iloveyou]

Once, long ago I read the story of an old Japanese man who, when he was a child, was in the midst of the horrors when the atomic bomb fell in 1945. He miraculously was the only one who survived without serious injuries. Later, when asked what had happened to him he answered: I don't know. I saw the fire and I knew that this will not affect me.

I often tried to find that story again, maybe it is just a legend.

A brief detour: I found the story, it was told by Drunvalo.


It turned out that he was was the most famous human being in Japan, known to every man, woman, and child. Famous for what? Simply for being alive! He should have been dead.

For he had been in the drop zone of the atomic bomb in Hiroshima in 1945. He had been so close that he had actually seen the bomb falling.

And he had survived.

Not only had he survived, but he had remained whole, totally unscathed. And he had never suffered any radiation sickness or other negative effects from his experience.

According to the people at that Japanese seminar, scientists have been testing this man periodically ever since. And the last Drunvalo knew of him, in the late 1990s, this man was still whole and free of radiation. Yet as a child, he had been found at or near the actual crater where the bomb hit. And he was totally unharmed. Untouched. How could that be so?

The incredible truth is that this man as a little child actually thought that he had the power to protect himself from anything at all. He simply didn't "know any better."

When he saw the bomb descending, and realized that he had less than a moment to act, he threw his arms into the air, and declared — with all the deep inner knowing and power and God-beingness in his little heart - "THIS SHALL NOT AFFECT ME!"


source: http://www.spiritofmaat.com/messages/nov4/biowar3.htm

Yes, one has to take his information very cautiously. Here he talked about a man who is/was very well known and famous in Japan and who allegedly was tested by scientists periodically. I wonder if anyone - members from Japan, members with contacts in Japan - had ever heard of that man and his story?

[GaelVictor]

Professor of Biochemistry and Medical Sciences, Martin Pall, carefully explains the reactions in the body that are caused by artificially modulated, electromagnetic frequencies(EMF) like Wi-Fi, cellphonetowers etc.

and it's health effects. Many of the detrimental effects will be recognised by people who are EMF-sensitive by nature or those who have had an overdose of strong EMF for a longer period.



'EMF exposures acts via activation of voltage-gated calcium channels in the living cell.. and how this leads to diverse detrimental health effects.'

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[frankstien]

https://i.ibb.co/2hCRt4F/sheep-nation-12x9-ink-on-paper-2019-w.jpg

[Billy]

Sorry if this video has already been posted, after a search nothing came up.
This is a study into the effects of micro frequencies, WIFi, Cell phones and towers on the human body and nature.

YouTube does not now allow me to copy the text in the description below the video for some reason.
Can anyone oblige ?


9mK93gHFWXs

[Bluegreen]

The first documentary film to investigate the actual mechanisms by which mobile phone technology can cause cancer. Resonance takes a deeper look at how humanity is reacting to the most profound environmental change the planet has ever seen.

Two billion years ago life first appeared on earth, a planet bathed in a natural electromagnetic frequency. As life slowly evolved from simple to complex organisms, it did so surrounded by this frequency, forming a harmonic relationship with it, a relationship that science is just beginning to comprehend. New research is showing that exposure to this frequency is vital to human beings. It controls our mental and physical health, it synchronizes our circadian rhythms, it aids our immune system, and it improves our overall sense of well-being.

Not only are we surrounded by natural frequencies, our bodies are suffused with them. Our cells communicate using electromagnetic frequencies. Our brain emits a constant stream of frequencies and our DNA delivers instructions using frequency waves. Without them, we could not exist.

:)

[frankstien]

https://i.ibb.co/8jYzzxd/sheep-nation-2-12x9-ink-on-paper-2019-w.jpg

[onevoice]

Sorry if this video has already been posted, after a search nothing came up.
This is a study into the effects of micro frequencies, WIFi, Cell phones and towers on the human body and nature.

YouTube does not now allow me to copy the text in the description below the video for some reason.
Can anyone oblige ?

9mK93gHFWXs

Here is the text below the above video on YouTube:


Resonance: Beings of Frequency (FULL DOCUMENTARY)

The first documentary film to investigate the actual mechanisms by which mobile phone technology can cause cancer. Resonance takes a deeper look at how humanity is reacting to the most profound environmental change the planet has ever seen. Two billion years ago life first appeared on earth, a planet bathed in a natural electromagnetic frequency. As life slowly evolved from simple to complex organisms, it did so surrounded by this frequency, forming a harmonic relationship with it, a relationship that science is just beginning to comprehend. New research is showing that exposure to this frequency is vital to human beings. It controls our mental and physical health, it synchronizes our circadian rhythms, it aids our immune system, and it improves our overall sense of well-being. Not only are we surrounded by natural frequencies, our bodies are suffused with them. Our cells communicate using electromagnetic frequencies. Our brain emits a constant stream of frequencies and our DNA delivers instructions using frequency waves. Without them, we could not exist.

[EFO]

I didn't thought that this thread will attract my attention so strong that I have to ad here my own experience wifi.

Before installing our wifi router in 2016 we were aware regarding about its functionality and possible consequences over our health and entire environment,but we need it for laptop,tablet and phones.We were very happy when all of a sudden all devices were alive,but I was thinking what to do that EMF not affect us in the future,because I know that an "illness" always need a period of time to fully install in the human body and not only.This though remained for the years that follow,until,if I remember well,the end of 2018 or beginning of 2019 when looking for something else "accidentally" I bumped over Slim Spurling's interview:

Geo-stress and the Miraculous Sacred Cubit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63KVP2QNRBI&t=8s

Some of you is possible to already knew this video and I posted before here and there on Avalon,but not to made a point from this.I became so interesting in what these simple copper rings do,based on that interview,that I start to search how they are made and I found the yt channel of Twisted sage from where I found out how they are made,so I start to build them for our purposes only.

Long story short;every ring has its own properties so after some experiments,observations and tests,accidentally I found out that I don't have wireless connection in the garden (30 meters/100 feet from the router) where we listen music from the tablet.Getting closer to the home,where the router still is,I found that I have signal.My first thought was that my ISP has weakened the signal,checked on ookla the speed was the same.Doing that several times,a light bulb lit up :):it was from the rings or the combinations I made from rings and coils,so I removed them one by one to see who is responsible for this "deficiency" :).I found out that a certain sphere,made out of different rings,reduced the signal from 30 meters/100 feet before to about 12 meters/36 feet now.At 12 meters distance,yt is buffering so much that is no reason to listen/watch anything and web pages are loading and loading and loading...totally waste of time :) it looks like an old dial-up connection :)

From Spring (I don't have a heat source in my workshop:) ) I will try to reduce signal power to 8 meters/24 feet radius.

This is my experience with how wifi can be reduced without affecting the environment with other electric power supplied devices which also have their own working frequency as far as I know.

And thank you all for your own informations and experiences!

[RunningDeer]

Sorry if this video has already been posted, after a search nothing came up.
This is a study into the effects of micro frequencies, WIFi, Cell phones and towers on the human body and nature.

YouTube does not now allow me to copy the text in the description below the video for some reason.
Can anyone oblige ?

9mK93gHFWXs

Here is the text below the above video on YouTube:


Resonance: Beings of Frequency (FULL DOCUMENTARY)

The first documentary film to investigate the actual mechanisms by which mobile phone technology can cause cancer. Resonance takes a deeper look at how humanity is reacting to the most profound environmental change the planet has ever seen. Two billion years ago life first appeared on earth, a planet bathed in a natural electromagnetic frequency. As life slowly evolved from simple to complex organisms, it did so surrounded by this frequency, forming a harmonic relationship with it, a relationship that science is just beginning to comprehend. New research is showing that exposure to this frequency is vital to human beings. It controls our mental and physical health, it synchronizes our circadian rhythms, it aids our immune system, and it improves our overall sense of well-being. Not only are we surrounded by natural frequencies, our bodies are suffused with them. Our cells communicate using electromagnetic frequencies. Our brain emits a constant stream of frequencies and our DNA delivers instructions using frequency waves. Without them, we could not exist.

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