She said their clothing had "weird symbolism or wording" so she calls the cops

[Valerie Villars]

http://apnews.com/0189d98791824d4c90945fca5494a15e

I don't even know what to say to this level of ignorance.

[chancy]

Hello Everyone:
It's interesting that this article is even news! It's very common in Canada to have the same thing happen but reversed! The racism card is used all the time and has got tiring here. As a Canadian we just go about our business and treat everyone with the respect we would want.
I hope this kid does not go to this school and finds one that will treat him with the respect he deserves!
chancy

[Fellow Aspirant]

Hello Everyone:
It's interesting that this article is even news! It's very common in Canada to have the same thing happen but reversed! The racism card is used all the time and has got tiring here. As a Canadian we just go about our business and treat everyone with the respect we would want.
I hope this kid does not go to this school and finds one that will treat him with the respect he deserves!
chancy

I'm confused. If the racism card is 'used all the time' then how is it possible for people to be treated with respect?

And I wouldn't agree with the generalization that Canadians treat everyone with respect. We have more than a few problems with racist behaviour.

Calling the police to arrest those we consider 'suspicious' or 'different' hasn't happened up here yet, but I think it's only a matter of time.

Brian

[chancy]

Hello Everyone:
It's interesting that this article is even news! It's very common in Canada to have the same thing happen but reversed! The racism card is used all the time and has got tiring here. As a Canadian we just go about our business and treat everyone with the respect we would want.
I hope this kid does not go to this school and finds one that will treat him with the respect he deserves!
chancy

I'm confused. If the racism card is 'used all the time' then how is it possible for people to be treated with respect?

And I wouldn't agree with the generalization that Canadians treat everyone with respect. We have more than a few problems with racist behaviour.

Calling the police to arrest those we consider 'suspicious' or 'different' hasn't happened up here yet, but I think it's only a matter of time.

Brian


Hello Brian:
I'm not sure how you can be confused since I see you are from Canada???????

I live in western Canada and the "racism" card is used all the time against white Canadians. ( I'm not sure how to distinguish between just a Canadian and someone who thinks they are "special" more so than everyone else )

I have seen first hand where I have tried to help many, many "first nation" people in our area and have been accused of being "racist" by the very people I am trying to help. "They are asking for help but when they get the help they are asking for we all of a sudden become "racists"
To me I don't have a problem with any person or race since we all pee and burp and get colds etc. We must all be the same "human" unless I am on the wrong planet.

SInce you are from Canada you must watch the news or read the paper or listen to the news and see the "racist" card used all the time?!?!

Kind of funny how helping someone can make you a "racists" while treating people with respect?
It appears that maybe "racism" isnt' exactly what we think it is. OR it means something different for different folks.

Another example: As of April 12th, 2018 Siks don't have to wear motorcycle helmets in British Columbia, Alberta and Manitoba. Coming soon to a province near you. This is extremely "racist" for all the people who ride motorcycles.
So the very people who you would think are being treated with "racism" are the people who are getting the waiver. The rest of the people are being treated with "racism" and no one cares!

My point is that "the racism card' is being played too much in Canada and ALL PEOPLE need to treat everyone with respect. I believe respect is happening more than we think BUT sometimes it just ridiculous how it's being used. People seem to take offense for things that they shouldn't.
chancy

[ceetee9]

http://apnews.com/0189d98791824d4c90945fca5494a15e

I don't even know what to say to this level of ignorance.It's a manifestation of the western societal degradation agenda. We've been brainwashed into believing that we each have a right not to be offended and that it is right and good to call the police whenever we see anything that is "out of the norm." I've seen numbers from 17 to 112 different "gender identities" now. Really? The insanity is becoming so absurd that I'm beginning to wonder if I've been caught in a dimensional shift and this isn't the planet Earth that I was born and raised on. ;)

[Fellow Aspirant]

Thanks for the explanation, chancy; when I read it I understood that you were saying two contradictory things, i.e. that we perennially call each other racists while at the same time respecting each other, which I couldn't follow.
As for being called racist by First Nations folk, no, 'back east' here I've seen no media reports of such foolish behaviour. Is this something that is more personal and anecdotal, perhaps? I know that there are certainly racists within any group, and there are many people who are just looking to stir up sh*t. The denigration of white Europeans by minorities is certainly a trend, and one to be deplored.

I can't help wondering, though, if there might be some whites whose "help" is administered with a dose of condescension that make it unpalatable to the recipient, or maybe what's being offered is not what is needed.

History has taught us, too, that those of us suffering from "the White Man's Burden" are capable of doing much harm for the sake of doing the 'right thing'. I'm thinking, of course, of the disaster that was the Residential Schools program.

There are many pitfalls when it comes to inter-cultural actions. When things go wrong, though, the cause is not always due to malign intent - sometimes it is a genuine misunderstanding of the others' beliefs. The struggle continues.

Namaste chancy,

Brian

[Fellow Aspirant]

Re:
"It's a manifestation of the western societal degradation agenda. We've been brainwashed into believing that we each have a right not to be offended and that it is right and good to call the police whenever we see anything that is "out of the norm." I've seen numbers from 17 to 112 different "gender identities" now. Really? The insanity is becoming so absurd that I'm beginning to wonder if I've been caught in a dimensional shift and this isn't the planet Earth that I was born and raised on."

Gender is a topic and core human value system that is fraught with confusion, especially today. This blurring of the gender polarities is not 'degradation', it is evolution. Maybe instead of thinking that you are going insane you could consider the current "gender spectrum" to be the result of an awakening by our species - an awakening that is the result of a shift away from restrictive social "norms" to a view of the world in which people are actually considering what makes them feel complete as a person. Such decisions are not made easily, and require a huge amount of courage to act on. They are not frivolous declarations made by confused or unnatural people. On the contrary, such awakenings are arrived at, in our hetero-sexual biased culture, only after long and deep introspection. Bucking one's cultural upbringing carries with it huge dangers, and is never done lightly.

If being themselves makes some of us uncomfortable, it is up to us to adapt to the truth. As fellow humans, I think we should muster our compassion and intellect and welcome those who are trying to be the best humans that they can be, by truly being themselves.

Namaste

Brian

[DeDukshyn]

Some "parent" of a student in University called 911 because these kids were quiet and had a shirt with the name of a metal band? Why wasn't the "parent" charged?

This is what's wrong with society, is we let people like this think that their fearful, erratic behaviour is normal. Was the parent tested for drugs? Because that behaviour is not normal at all. Perhaps this "parent" should seek medical attention or just stay away from the public?

[Iloveyou]

Such a reaction is impressive. Maybe people are so used to the TV-Reality-Show-World, Video-Games-World, to overexcited and exaggerated behavior, to non-stop self-representation - so they feel threatened by a person who does not act accordingly.

The two brothers appear to be quiet, low-key but self-assured and well grounded. They have been taught to listen and observe, to think before acting. There are personalities, although still young. There’s personal charisma. And some Disneyland-residents start to panic.

People can’t stand quietness anymore.

https://storage.googleapis.com/afs-prod/media/media:64b9b8d52f874e86b494df746368df52/400.jpeg

I wish them both success and a great future :thumbsup:

[conk]

Re:
"It's a manifestation of the western societal degradation agenda. We've been brainwashed into believing that we each have a right not to be offended and that it is right and good to call the police whenever we see anything that is "out of the norm." I've seen numbers from 17 to 112 different "gender identities" now. Really? The insanity is becoming so absurd that I'm beginning to wonder if I've been caught in a dimensional shift and this isn't the planet Earth that I was born and raised on."

Gender is a topic and core human value system that is fraught with confusion, especially today. This blurring of the gender polarities is not 'degradation', it is evolution. Maybe instead of thinking that you are going insane you could consider the current "gender spectrum" to be the result of an awakening by our species - an awakening that is the result of a shift away from restrictive social "norms" to a view of the world in which people are actually considering what makes them feel complete as a person. Such decisions are not made easily, and require a huge amount of courage to act on. They are not frivolous declarations made by confused or unnatural people. On the contrary, such awakenings are arrived at, in our hetero-sexual biased culture, only after long and deep introspection. Bucking one's cultural upbringing carries with it huge dangers, and is never done lightly.

If being themselves makes some of us uncomfortable, it is up to us to adapt to the truth. As fellow humans, I think we should muster our compassion and intellect and welcome those who are trying to be the best humans that they can be, by truly being themselves.

Namaste

BrianThat's enough baloney for a lot of sandwiches. There are two genders, period. Male and female. All the gender confused or gender fluid or gender whatever are either suffering from a birth defect or some kind of identity crisis. People are being exposed to large numbers and kinds of chemicals and toxins. This affects the brain and thinking. These people are merely confused. We're not awakening or shifting.

There are approximately 400 things that can go awry in the very early developmental stages, from zygote to fetus. Any one of these mis-steps is a birth defect. You wind up with people across a scale of identities that are different from the norm. Gay, transgender identifying, ambiguous genitals, and on and on. Deep introspection my skinny behind!

In no way am I intimating they should be shunned or discriminated against. Great understanding should be employed. They are no different than a person born with a withered arm or a cleft pallet. Something went wrong during their development, that's all. And not all are born a particular way, some are truly victims of a twisted society and it's poisonous environment.

[NeedleThreader]

Love is love conk. It's not confusion and people usually are not in an identity crisis.

Love is not a defect such as "a cleft pallet or withered arm" you are comparing two very different things.

The problem is that people like you perceive it, and I'm quoting you: " you wind up with people that are different from the norm". Does that frighten you?

[conk]

Love is love conk. It's not confusion and people usually are not in an identity crisis.

Love is not a defect such as "a cleft pallet or withered arm" you are comparing two very different things.

The problem is that people like you perceive it, and I'm quoting you: " you wind up with people that are different from the norm". Does that frighten you?

I am not frightened in the least. And it is you who are conflating love and physicality. No, love is certainly not a defect. Love is all, love is supreme. I'm truly sorry if my poor choice of words reflected thoughts that are not mine. Can you deny that homosexuality is not a birth defect? Not judging at all.

If a man sees himself as a female, what else is that but an identity crisis?

[Valerie Villars]

The thing that struck me was they were immediately judged by the "weird" symbolism on their clothing. When I saw the young men, the first thing that struck me was how handsome they both were and I thought their natural expressions seemed peaceful.

The other thing that struck me was how quickly people are conditioned to call and tell on other people just because they are "different". I was just appalled by that.

God help that woman if she ever comes to New Orleans, where being weird is normal.

[Michelle Marie]

Some "parent" of a student in University called 911 because these kids were quiet and had a shirt with the name of a metal band? Why wasn't the "parent" charged?

This is what's wrong with society, is we let people like this think that their fearful, erratic behaviour is normal. Was the parent tested for drugs? Because that behaviour is not normal at all. Perhaps this "parent" should seek medical attention or just stay away from the public?

Now we're talking. That behavior is invasive. It feels wrong to my conscience.

The engineered behavioral patterns have been changed by design. The evidence is being compiled and assimilated. Eventually the proof will be irrefutable and go mainstream.

MM :star:

[Valerie Villars]

Some "parent" of a student in University called 911 because these kids were quiet and had a shirt with the name of a metal band? Why wasn't the "parent" charged?

This is what's wrong with society, is we let people like this think that their fearful, erratic behaviour is normal. Was the parent tested for drugs? Because that behaviour is not normal at all. Perhaps this "parent" should seek medical attention or just stay away from the public?

Now we're talking. That behavior is invasive. It feels wrong to my conscience.

The engineered behavioral patterns have been changed by design. The evidence is being compiled and assimilated. Eventually the proof will be irrefutable and go mainstream.

MM :star:

Right on MM. DeDukshyn, I completely missed the bulls-eye impact of that statement. It's exactly why I posted the story and what bothered me about that ignorant woman's actions. I just didn't word it as beautifully as you.

[DeDukshyn]

Some "parent" of a student in University called 911 because these kids were quiet and had a shirt with the name of a metal band? Why wasn't the "parent" charged?

This is what's wrong with society, is we let people like this think that their fearful, erratic behaviour is normal. Was the parent tested for drugs? Because that behaviour is not normal at all. Perhaps this "parent" should seek medical attention or just stay away from the public?

Now we're talking. That behavior is invasive. It feels wrong to my conscience.

The engineered behavioral patterns have been changed by design. The evidence is being compiled and assimilated. Eventually the proof will be irrefutable and go mainstream.

MM :star:

Right on MM. DeDukshyn, I completely missed the bulls-eye impact of that statement. It's exactly why I posted the story and what bothered me about that ignorant woman's actions. I just didn't word it as beautifully as you.

I was saddened to note that the article was written in such a way as to "defend" these boys. I agree with Michelle in a sense of "engineered behavioural patterns" - but I wonder how much that is just due to people not seeing the spades for spades ... The defense in the article seemed to try to be justifying their "quiet" behaviour and "weird" symbols (again just a name of a favorite metal band in stylized writing). By doing that it seems to be trying to paint this picture of how we need to accept their "oddities".

What oddities?!! We all need to really be comfortable in embracing all our differences and stand up to those that disagree with us. I'm just saying, how nice of AP to write that article in defense, but it sure wouldn't have been what I would have wrote ...

On the flip side .. maybe that parent really does need medication and counseling and shouldn't be out in public (those people do exist) ... and they were just doing their best to try to be there for their child ... I don't know ... but I would have certainly wanted to talk to whoever it was and find out.

Anyway, we can't be lulled into accepting this behaviour - if the "parent" really does have issues, then that is what it is. If his or her behaviour had been harshly condemned, maybe that is impetus for them to finally get the help they need. Either way - unacceptable.

[Jad]

This reminds me of an incident that happened recently in Los Angeles where a man verbally abused a woman for wearing a veil on her head cause she was a Muslim.
This social engineering has been happening for a very long time. For example look how Muslims are almost always portrayed negatively in media and movies , or how native Americans were also portrayed as wild and dangerous in the early western movies, or in the much older times how Romans used to label everyone they haven’t conquered as “barbarians”.. for when it’s time to attack them then the public will understand that it was the “right” thing to do..


https://www.cbs19.tv/mobile/article/news/nation-now/islamophobic-coffee-shop-refuses-to-serve-man-who-confronted-muslim-woman-in-niqab/465-18a95cd9-9986-4726-a0fb-6877fb3f1de0

[ceetee9]

Re:
"It's a manifestation of the western societal degradation agenda. We've been brainwashed into believing that we each have a right not to be offended and that it is right and good to call the police whenever we see anything that is "out of the norm." I've seen numbers from 17 to 112 different "gender identities" now. Really? The insanity is becoming so absurd that I'm beginning to wonder if I've been caught in a dimensional shift and this isn't the planet Earth that I was born and raised on."

Gender is a topic and core human value system that is fraught with confusion, especially today. This blurring of the gender polarities is not 'degradation', it is evolution. Maybe instead of thinking that you are going insane you could consider the current "gender spectrum" to be the result of an awakening by our species - an awakening that is the result of a shift away from restrictive social "norms" to a view of the world in which people are actually considering what makes them feel complete as a person. Such decisions are not made easily, and require a huge amount of courage to act on. They are not frivolous declarations made by confused or unnatural people. On the contrary, such awakenings are arrived at, in our hetero-sexual biased culture, only after long and deep introspection. Bucking one's cultural upbringing carries with it huge dangers, and is never done lightly.

If being themselves makes some of us uncomfortable, it is up to us to adapt to the truth. As fellow humans, I think we should muster our compassion and intellect and welcome those who are trying to be the best humans that they can be, by truly being themselves.

Namaste

Brian
Sorry Brian, I disagree with your assessment. It is not evolution but de-evolution, IMHO. No matter how much they try to blur the lines between the sexes, there is one inescapable fact they can't change, it still takes two sexes, male and female, to continue the human species (i.e., evolution). Even you admit to the blurring of the gender “polarities” and that it is “fraught with confusion, especially today.” So I'm not sure how you arrived at the conclusion that that is “evolution” and not degradation. There are even groups now who want newborn babies to be referred to as “theybys” rather than a boy or girl.

Look up the definition of gender in any of the primary dictionaries (Oxford, Cambridge, and Merriam-Webster) to see how they define gender. I realize that those who wish to teardown existing societal and social cultures are doing their best to even destroy language—particularly the English language—so that soon we won't be able to communicate at all with each other.

The universe consists of myriad binary systems. Should we obfuscate all of those systems as well so as not to offend anyone or show any bias toward one polarity or another? Would that make it easier for us to communicate and understand things? Perhaps the Creator was confused when he (oops, I mean they) created these restrictive “norms” and insensitive systems.

I personally couldn't care less what a person's sexual preference is or what they wish to identify as or want to call themselves, but they cross the line (for me) when they want to force their belief systems on the rest of society. Do we not have enough fighting and killing going on in the world over religions, politics, economic and governmental systems, etc. without adding even more systems to divide us?

I guess I also miss how anyone can not “feel complete as a person” or “be the best human they can be” unless society abandons their “norms” and everyone adopts one of the dozens of the new “gender identities.” Do these people really have such little self respect/self worth that they require society to think, act, identify and behave as they do before they can feel worthy as a human being and a part of society?

[Fellow Aspirant]

Re:
"It's a manifestation of the western societal degradation agenda. We've been brainwashed into believing that we each have a right not to be offended and that it is right and good to call the police whenever we see anything that is "out of the norm." I've seen numbers from 17 to 112 different "gender identities" now. Really? The insanity is becoming so absurd that I'm beginning to wonder if I've been caught in a dimensional shift and this isn't the planet Earth that I was born and raised on."

Gender is a topic and core human value system that is fraught with confusion, especially today. This blurring of the gender polarities is not 'degradation', it is evolution. Maybe instead of thinking that you are going insane you could consider the current "gender spectrum" to be the result of an awakening by our species - an awakening that is the result of a shift away from restrictive social "norms" to a view of the world in which people are actually considering what makes them feel complete as a person. Such decisions are not made easily, and require a huge amount of courage to act on. They are not frivolous declarations made by confused or unnatural people. On the contrary, such awakenings are arrived at, in our hetero-sexual biased culture, only after long and deep introspection. Bucking one's cultural upbringing carries with it huge dangers, and is never done lightly.

If being themselves makes some of us uncomfortable, it is up to us to adapt to the truth. As fellow humans, I think we should muster our compassion and intellect and welcome those who are trying to be the best humans that they can be, by truly being themselves.

Namaste

BrianThat's enough baloney for a lot of sandwiches. There are two genders, period. Male and female. All the gender confused or gender fluid or gender whatever are either suffering from a birth defect or some kind of identity crisis. People are being exposed to large numbers and kinds of chemicals and toxins. This affects the brain and thinking. These people are merely confused. We're not awakening or shifting.

There are approximately 400 things that can go awry in the very early developmental stages, from zygote to fetus. Any one of these mis-steps is a birth defect. You wind up with people across a scale of identities that are different from the norm. Gay, transgender identifying, ambiguous genitals, and on and on. Deep introspection my skinny behind!

In no way am I intimating they should be shunned or discriminated against. Great understanding should be employed. They are no different than a person born with a withered arm or a cleft pallet. Something went wrong during their development, that's all. And not all are born a particular way, some are truly victims of a twisted society and it's poisonous environment.

Wow. Such a world you live in. Not mine.

Course, I've never had the benefit of the protection of a Tin Foil Hat. :sun:

Good luck to you!

Brian

[Fellow Aspirant]

I like Ricky Gervais' response to being called out for his 'white priviledge':

37797

http://apnews.com/0189d98791824d4c90945fca5494a15e

I don't even know what to say to this level of ignorance.It's a manifestation of the western societal degradation agenda. We've been brainwashed into believing that we each have a right not to be offended and that it is right and good to call the police whenever we see anything that is "out of the norm." I've seen numbers from 17 to 112 different "gender identities" now. Really? The insanity is becoming so absurd that I'm beginning to wonder if I've been caught in a dimensional shift and this isn't the planet Earth that I was born and raised on. ;)

It's really not worth getting one's knickers in a knot.

B.

[Fellow Aspirant]

As for:

"I guess I also miss how anyone can not “feel complete as a person” or “be the best human they can be” unless society abandons their “norms” and everyone adopts one of the dozens of the new “gender identities.” Do these people really have such little self respect/self worth that they require society to think, act, identify and behave as they do before they can feel worthy as a human being and a part of society?"

I would say no, but then I'm not trans-gender. I've never had a problem figuring out my identity; it's always been easy for me.

But I would never propose how anyone else should or would live their lives. If these people have low esteem, it's because of the way they have been made to feel about themselves by the impositions and expectations of society. I think it's incumbent upon the majority of us to allow everyone to be who they wish to be. Imagine how you might feel if society expected you to be attracted to a sex that you had always rejected?

What right do you have to dictate to anyone how they should lead their lives, especially when it comes to their gender? By what magic are you convinced that you know what anyone else is thinking or feeling? And who the hell ever said that you or anyone else HAD to adopt a new gender identity? NOBODY is trying to force their beliefs onto anyone! Where did this notion come from? You're just making stuff up! Those who are speaking up about their personal preferences for their own personal identities just want the freedom to make their own choices. That's the problem with using the foolish "slippery slope" argument. Just stop and consider for a moment how outlandish such a proposal would be. NOBODY wants anyone to change their gender identities - except for people like you.

So please stop with the insane accusations. It costs you nothing to be tolerant. Maybe even compassionate. Maybe even loving. You lose nothing and at the same time have lots to gain by helping to make the world a better place.

Be well,

Brian

[ceetee9]

But I would never propose how anyone else should or would live their lives. What right do you have to dictate to anyone how they should lead their lives, especially when it comes to their gender?
How is it that I, or society, is dictating how anyone should live their lives? I’ve already said that I don’t care what transgender people wish to identify as or call themselves. And society isn’t forcing them to live their lives any particular way either. They can be and act any way they wish within the law.

By what magic are you convinced that you know what anyone else is thinking or feeling?Wow! I have no idea where you got that crazy notion from.

And who the hell ever said that you or anyone else HAD to adopt a new gender identity? NOBODY is trying to force their beliefs onto anyone! Where did this notion come from? You're just making stuff up!
First, I never said anyone “HAD” to adopt a new gender identity so please don’t attempt to put words in my mouth. I was merely attempting to address your statements about transgender people not being able to be complete or all that they can be because they somehow feel incomplete due to society’s “restrictive norms.” If a person feels less of a person, regardless of their sexual orientation, it is because of their view of their self. The only person in the world who can make you happy, sad, angry, or fulfilled is you. It is the victim mentality that causes a person to blame society or others for their problems, unhappiness, or lack of standing in a culture.

There are plenty of people who could play the victim game who are very successful and happy (of which I know several), but they don’t play the victim game because they understand that it is up to them to determine their success and happiness. They don’t allow society or others to define them or keep them down, I’m not saying there aren’t things we can do as a society to help improve people’s lives, for clearly there are, but ultimately, in any society, it is up to the individual to thrive in that society or not.

As for your “slippery slope” statement, you must not have been watching the news of late. Here is just a tiny sample:

Battle over transgender student rights moves to high school locker rooms (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/battle-over-transgender-student-rights-moves-to-high-school-locker-rooms/2018/04/25/b319365a-3f29-11e8-974f-aacd97698cef_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f7c0b5ac8b64)

Gender identity legislation and the erosion of sex-based legal protections for females (https://genderidentitywatch.com/gender-identity-legislation-and-the-erosion-of-sex-based-legal-protections-for-females/)

SB-179 Gender Identity: female, male, or nonbinary (https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180SB179)

Bathroom Bill Legislative Tracking (http://www.ncsl.org/research/education/-bathroom-bill-legislative-tracking635951130.aspx)

Do you still believe that is a “foolish” argument?

Brian, I respect your compassion and despite what you think of me, I am a compassionate caring person as well. I have LGBT friends as well as friends of different races and cultures. As I said before, I really don’t care what ones sexual orientation (or race) is. And I agree with your premise that people ought to be able to live their life as they see fit—as long as it is within the law (and, yes, I believe some laws should be changed), but I don’t believe we need to teardown existing social norms and boundaries to achieve that goal. So let’s just agree to disagree on this subject.

Take care.
Craig