David Icke 2011

[ktlight]

Sacrifice and blood (bloodlines) seem to be what this all hinges on. Feeding on negative energy? Or the chemicals (pheromones perhaps) released into the blood when one is tortured and then killed in sacrifice. That's alchemy. Blood represents dna, its a whole microcosm on it's own. We've had lots of alchemical and magickal discussions in here lately. People are putting two and two together there isn't a great divide between science and 'magick'. It was a created divide. Deliberately. It's all been fragmented into separate schisms but when you bring it all back to together it becomes a functioning process again. The PTB have kept this process in tact, and most people are ignorant of it. But its just a process. Many use it to maintain control.

I've always regarded Christianity in the mainstream as demon or satanic worship. In a covert sense. They seemed to exert a lot of energy avoiding the devil even as they talk about how the devil is lurking behind every door. Devil this, Satan that,Lucifer there, Beezlebub here. Hell, brimstone, fire. That's feeding a lot of energy into 'the devil'.Giving power to that sort schism if it actually exists. You focus on something that much you are lending power to it even if its a sort of self victimization. And those weird notions that you 'never know for sure' if your right or wrong. Good can be evil. Be careful tempation is in every thought and action. You don't really know , its all a mystery. God loves you but god is vengeful and will punish you even though god is all loving, god is all powerful but someone helpless to correct things and its all explained away as some great mystery that we are not to know even as we are urged to seek and find...

GEEZ, Lew-eeeeze. I wrote a book about ten years ago that predicted that people would be driven crazy by their own morality. I guess they were doing it all along.

These things can't be all powerful or omnipotent because omnipotent beings wouldn't have to operate in such a covert way.

The only thing I oppose in what you say is that God is a vengeful god. The God I know is only love, doesn't want or need sacrifices, is not jealous, is not vengeful, is ONLY LOVE.

Was that your first book?

[Teakai]

Here's an idea. What if Mr Icke (love him dearly) is actually being used by the PTB to project the existence of Reptilians out to the public in a negative light. I don't think Mr Icke has ever actually encountered a Reptilian first hand, I think in his books he always goes by what other people have told him (could be wrong).
Chelle

For what purpose, though, Chelle?

[ktlight]

This is David Icke reminds us of some things inherent in us all.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t9gnkPFitc

[Chelle]

Hi Teakai,

I'm not sure why, just thought it was best to question everything. I like Icke alot, but because I have never personally encountered a reptilian or any type of alien myself (nor do I really want to due to the amount of bad experiences out there) then I just have to question all the shape-shifting theories with the PTB. Like Cathy O'Brien says, they told her they were aliens and took reptilian forms via technology merely to frighten her into feeling helpless when actually they were just like the rest of us, and only human. Maybe this is why they put the same info out via Icke--so that we all feel the same. I don't really know--I'm just questioning everything I suppose.

UPDATE
I've just remembered something--a few years ago I was watching the news at 10 when I saw strange skin things going on during an interview with a labour politician--it was that strange even my daughter commented. Ill try and find it on you tube and provide a link later---back soon.

UPDATE
Hi again--sorry about that had to take my daughter to a party--anyway I've found it ----look at Hazel Blears grovels an apology to Gorden Brown (12Jun09) at about 1 min and again at 1.48 mins.

Ill try and embed it if not here's the link:

http://youtu.be/ITEAVGhoj9k


ITEAVGhoj9k

Maybe a technical person out there could explain why this might occur? It certainly looks very strange and what I find really strange is it only occurs on her skin and not on the background. I'd also like to add that this is exactly the same as I saw it on the TV, in other words, a you-tuber hasn't doctored it in any way.



Chelle

[Pagan]

Send an mail to the cameraman and ask him/her if something strange occured with her face during the interview. The digitalized picture behaves a bit different from the old tech ones, this we all have seen.

Another "evidence" for reptilians, the daddy bush-video talking to clinton, there at first hand the eyes of bush, certainly looks strange but when analyzing it a bit one can see that when, bush tilts his head the "reptile" pupils does not tilt along with the head, the "reptile" pupil-shape follows the vertical straight fashion, wich leads to believe its an light issue. video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwKcjRD1DNE

[bodixa]

Hi Teakai,

I'm not sure why, just thought it was best to question everything. I like Icke alot, but because I have never personally encountered a reptilian or any type of alien myself (nor do I really want to due to the amount of bad experiences out there) then I just have to question all the shape-shifting theories with the PTB. Like Cathy O'Brien says, they told her they were aliens and took reptilian forms via technology merely to frighten her into feeling helpless when actually they were just like the rest of us, and only human. Maybe this is why they put the same info out via Icke--so that we all feel the same. I don't really know--I'm just questioning everything I suppose.

UPDATE
I've just remembered something--a few years ago I was watching the news at 10 when I saw strange skin things going on during an interview with a labour politician--it was that strange even my daughter commented. Ill try and find it on you tube and provide a link later---back soon.

UPDATE
Hi again--sorry about that had to take my daughter to a party--anyway I've found it ----look at Hazel Blears grovels an apology to Gorden Brown (12Jun09) at about 1 min and again at 1.48 mins.

Ill try and embed it if not here's the link:

http://youtu.be/ITEAVGhoj9k


ITEAVGhoj9k

Maybe a technical person out there could explain why this might occur? It certainly looks very strange and what I find really strange is it only occurs on her skin and not on the background. I'd also like to add that this is exactly the same as I saw it on the TV, in other words, a you-tuber hasn't doctored it in any way.



Chelle

My thought from a technical point of view is that this is being filmed by a digital camera and possibly streamed live where it was been captured and edited in teh studio. At some point there is interference in transmission and you get the effect of compression on the image - pixelation. Because she is fair and has freckles the freckles seem to 'grow' but it's just that the image is unable to refresh so it leaves a bunch of captured frames in a kind of 'hold' position overlaying eachother... This is just the imaging codecs trying to rationalise eachother. Hard to explain in just a few lines. Others will probably do a better job.

So, digital capture, streamed to studio where edited. - or a problem withe the camera - running like a computer it 'freezes' briefly or slows down its image processing.

Also, skin is very transluscent - think about when you hold your hand up to a light. If there is any form of artificial studio lighting this can emphasise some things and warp others. With Hazel, what appears to be a floppy neck, is just repeated images of the same neck appearing in different positions because she is moving.

Thanks Chelle - brilliant example.

EDIT: Here''s another alternative - the person who recorded this could have done so via SKY TV (Satellite) and there was some interference on the way to the TV or capture device of whoever uploaded this video. Anywhere along the line if there was interference in the sending or capture of the data it would create that effect.

[wynderer]

Although I have to acknowledge that 'satanic' rituals and belief have some stronghold in the corridors of power, for some reason these stories of reptilian posession just don't wash with me, never have.

Either it's all nonsense

or..

Why do they have to be sneaky? If they are so powerful and sooooo clever and have so much spiritual, financial and technological influence behind them, why do they seem to be doing such a botch job and making such a mess? Why hide? Surely if they were as powerful and smart as these videos make them out to be, things (like this video) wouldn't look like a Hollywood B movie.

Is it because those who operate in the shadows fear the light? Are they not actually that powerful after all? To hide behind dark rituals and sneak around in the closet summoning dark entities to get what you want is smart is it?

Oh, come off it. I'm becoming increasingly convinced of a double bluff. They don't want to be seen why? Because they don't want to frighten the people?

It's not a reasonable argument at any level. Not theirs or ours. So I have to personally conclude that it's mostly nonesense, and a bunch of doctored videos to look like reptilian eyes.

What better way to disempower people than repeatedly tell them that they have no influence over their own governments and never will.

Just a thought, Bodixa - but maybe they hide because we wouldn't let them do it if we knew the truth.

Exactly - which means they are not very powerful at all...

So the argument cancels itself out.

It's my opinion that the ongoing 'sacrificial' and worship practices of some interpretations of Christianity that are mainstream actually perpetuate the problem. Worship is a big problem to humanity, in my opinion. It's upside down thinking and it actually helps them.

But to say that they hide because the US is Christian and wouldn't allow it, doesn't make sense. Does this mean that they fear the church? In which case.. let's all go back to church!! The church is more aware than any other body out there of the reality of demon possession, and many Christians would completely acknowledge without dispute that 'Satan' has his strongholds in the corridors of power and that is why things are such a mess. THAT argument in itself has led to an ACCEPTANCE of the world and its status quo, and the idea that there can never be peace in the Middle East - the Zionist ideas, the antichrist, and so on...

So the massively influential, mostly conservative Church in the USA and Europe has named the darkness as 'Satan' (which is another debate in itself) and accepted the way things are into its own eschatology. (This is not true accross the board and the church is very complex... there are now a number of Christian grass roots movements supporting Palestine, for instance..)

It's all a mess. But reptilian shapeshifters? What would they be afraid of?

An important issue for the alternative media community I feel. I'd like to thrash it out. I'm always open to having my opinion shifted.

they've been ruling & controlling Earth Humans since ancient Sumerian times, if not before -- personally, i do not underestimate them -- the dumbing down of & lack of compassion in most Humans says to me that they know what they are doing, & are doing it quite well

edit to add [after reading posts from folks who don't 'believe' in Reptilians] : most abductees do not talk about their experiences, precisely because , even in the 'alternative news/info' crowd, we get mocked, are told we are delusional, etc

just imo, but a knee-jerk reaction of 'not believing' comes usually from one's own unacknowledged fear, or, if you're a TV watcher or video game player, from subliminals directing your thoughts toward this unbelief -- thus allowing the Reptilians & buddies to continue operating in the shadows, which works very well for them

[Rocky_Shorz]

pretty Icke picture you're painting David...

I pulled back the curtain on the wizard of Oz and found the monster...

6809

[bodixa]

I'm not scared of reptilians. I'm scared of those guffawing men in chinos in Alex Jones' Bohemian Grove video dressing up like a bunch of teengers at a D&D night and then driving home in their black Suburbans to run the country.

[wynderer]

I get a bit confused about the reptilian thing - one one hand I've heard they were here first and they live underground.

And then there's the theory that they're fourth dimensional entities who require a human host to be able to exist in this dimension. Possibly these are what are referred to as demons in scriptural writings?

Maybe there are demons and reptilians?
Cripes - maybe there's a whole legion of negative energies and entities in this dimension.

Hi Teakai -- just my personal opinion [i'm an abductee] -- i don't believe that the Reptilians were here on Earth before the Humans -- i believe that Humans are native to this planet, & the Reptilians came from elsewhere, later, & started messing around w/Human & other Earth Animal DNA when they got here-- the Reptilians think that lying is a fair tactic -- persuading Humans that they [Reps] were here first is another little mind manipulation going on, imo --

[Billy]

I was suprised and very pleased to see David Ike showing a small clip of the Holly Greig story in this Video, This has been Scotlands disgrace for a few years now.

Google Holly Greig to find out about this horrific ongoing story. Holly deserves justice

[Chelle]

Holly deserves justice

I second/third/forth/fifth etc etc that.

Chelle

[Teakai]

Hi Teakai -- just my personal opinion [i'm an abductee] -- i don't believe that the Reptilians were here on Earth before the Humans -- i believe that Humans are native to this planet, & the Reptilians came from elsewhere, later, & started messing around w/Human & other Earth Animal DNA when they got here-- the Reptilians think that lying is a fair tactic -- persuading Humans that they [Reps] were here first is another little mind manipulation going on, imo --

Thanks, Wynderer. Do you see them as phsyical entities that can exist on this planet in their own physicality - or do you see them as fourth dimensional using a particular bloodline in order to manifest?

And, who were you abducted by? Don't answer if it's too personal.

[Teakai]

I'm not scared of reptilians. I'm scared of those guffawing men in chinos in Alex Jones' Bohemian Grove video dressing up like a bunch of teengers at a D&D night and then driving home in their black Suburbans to run the country.

:lol: that cracked me up, Bodixa.

[noprophet]

A few very traditional reptilian features. Just some interesting things I noticed. Not saying one way or the other.


Maybe a technical person out there could explain why this might occur? It certainly looks very strange and what I find really strange is it only occurs on her skin and not on the background. I'd also like to add that this is exactly the same as I saw it on the TV, in other words, a you-tuber hasn't doctored it in any way.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll296/nearmys/reptile.jpg

[3optic]

A few very traditional reptilian features. Just some interesting things I noticed. Not saying one way or the other.


Maybe a technical person out there could explain why this might occur? It certainly looks very strange and what I find really strange is it only occurs on her skin and not on the background. I'd also like to add that this is exactly the same as I saw it on the TV, in other words, a you-tuber hasn't doctored it in any way.


Hi Noprophet. It's the video equivalent of a motion blur perhaps? I really think this type of analysis is highly problematic. Not to say one can't spot some curious anomalies but they seem to be rare and maybe not worth the hours spent pouring over the images.

[9eagle9]

I stay out of the whole digitized thingy. If you speak to a person whose a hep up with digital technology they'll take your head off for suggesting some sort of anomaly light or otherwise could occur with digital cameras because apparently its some pure perfection science.

Then you speak to the next group and anything weird that shows up is ONLY because it could be a trick of the light or camera.

The two factions should meet up one day and have rumble.

[bodixa]

A few very traditional reptilian features. Just some interesting things I noticed. Not saying one way or the other.


Maybe a technical person out there could explain why this might occur? It certainly looks very strange and what I find really strange is it only occurs on her skin and not on the background. I'd also like to add that this is exactly the same as I saw it on the TV, in other words, a you-tuber hasn't doctored it in any way.


Hi Noprophet. It's the video equivalent of a motion blur perhaps? I really think this type of analysis is highly problematic. Not to say one can't spot some curious anomalies but they seem to be rare and maybe not worth the hours spent pouring over the images.

I completely agree with you.

I also think that kind of analysis (circling reptilian features on someone's face) is both abusive and libelous. I've never said this before on Avalon, but I will now. Unless you want to walk up to this people and have it out with them and their alleged reptilian occupants, I suggest a little restraint. Some of these people have worked hard for a career in public service just to be told they are controlled by trans-dimensional evil forces?

and... out

[Revere]

I do not know about the actual existence of Reptilians. But, I do believe that we are in a Universal, multidimensional, multiverseal, etc., etc, war between Good and Evil which battles in all aspects of our perceived and potential reality at this time. Choose the Good side with all the fiber in you and make a difference.

There are powers beyond TPTB and the lie is different at every level of all these structures, even beyond them. That is our situation IMHO. Not choosing is making a choice. Battles will be won and lost but in the end Good prevails. I cheated and read ahead. LOL

Love to you all!

Peace,

-R-

[Lazlo]

Are the reptilians really powerful and able to control things? Or are they not powerful because they use deceit and work behind the scenes?

I would use the analogy of a grizzly bear ( I lived and worked in the outdoors for several years in grizzly country )

You almost never see a grizzly, and when you do, it is usually just a flash of their rump disappearing from view. They don't affect your life in an everyday fashion, but you are aware of them, and you don't go out of your way to get sideways with one.

If you are so unlucky as to get face to face with one, there is no doubt that you are an inferior being, and the grizzly is wondering just how you will taste. You can empty your gun into one and it will still not save you once that bear has decided to make a go at you. Pepper spray is just seasoning..yummy!

A human stands no practical chance of surviving such an encounter. Clearly grizzly bears are superior to humans.

But...

Grizzlies don't go around picking fights with humans because they are not dumb either. Not just a single bear, but the entire population stands no chance when humans, as a group decide that, YES, Grizzlies are a danger to our well being and way of life and we will wipe them out.

[noprophet]

I also think that kind of analysis (circling reptilian features on someone's face) is both abusive and libelous. I've never said this before on Avalon, but I will now. Unless you want to walk up to this people and have it out with them and their alleged reptilian occupants, I suggest a little restraint. Some of these people have worked hard for a career in public service just to be told they are controlled by trans-dimensional evil forces?


I'm not having it out with anyone. If reptilians do exist "I ain't even mad."

Call it however you like. Maybe I just like to circle film anomalies.

I've got weird hobbies.

Here's a couple other film anomaly collectibles:

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[Shezbeth]

Great video. Startled the piss out of me when they interjected the war scenes though. ^_^

To the viewer - Check your volume at about 6:15

[DawgBone]

Fabulous video!

David Icke is a great man. One of my heros.

[Pagan]

This is just plain BS. Imagine the other people around in the studio, what would they do if her face really started to change like it does in the video. No one reacted at all... This is just some digital picture distortion. Waste of time, this crap! ;)

[noprophet]

This is just plain BS. Imagine the other people around in the studio, what would they do if her face really started to change like it does in the video. No one reacted at all... This is just some digital picture distortion. Waste of time, this crap! ;)

Hey man, I don't know what your talking about. Like I said - i just collect video anomalies.

I don't think her face changed like that in real life. That's just silly. :)

[buffski]

This is just plain BS. Imagine the other people around in the studio, what would they do if her face really started to change like it does in the video. No one reacted at all... This is just some digital picture distortion. Waste of time, this crap! ;)

I concur completely Pagan.
Methinks I might be orf soon...for avalon appears to have sprouted helium balloons of late.
Fly me to Vilcabamba, let me play amongst the stars,
Let me see what spring is like on Jupiter and Mars (attacks)

[Black Panther]

Check your volume at about 6:15

Yeah! Really check your volume!!
Still shaking :)

[Möbius]

Maybe they did live in our dimension and then used their technology to jump to the 4th dimension (astral plane) when it became too cold for them during the last iceage. Check out Peggy Kane's research. The best way to retain power and control is when no one knows that you are running the show just like the Royal Family.

Mobius


I get a bit confused about the reptilian thing - one one hand I've heard they were here first and they live underground.

And then there's the theory that they're fourth dimensional entities who require a human host to be able to exist in this dimension. Possibly these are what are referred to as demons in scriptural writings?

Maybe there are demons and reptilians?
Cripes - maybe there's a whole legion of negative energies and entities in this dimension.

[Teakai]

This is just plain BS. Imagine the other people around in the studio, what would they do if her face really started to change like it does in the video. No one reacted at all... This is just some digital picture distortion. Waste of time, this crap! ;)

But maybe the distortion is only being picked up by and seen through the lens and missed by human perception.

[Pagan]

But maybe the distortion is only being picked up by and seen through the lens and missed by human perception.

Well, Go find this kind a "fenomena" From material pre-digital age. Good luck!

Ps It just takes some ability in analyzis and an open mind to see what this is.

Amen

[ktlight]

We all have the reptiloid remnant inside our brain, part of evolution as we grow in the womb.

[wynderer]

Hi Teakai -- just my personal opinion [i'm an abductee] -- i don't believe that the Reptilians were here on Earth before the Humans -- i believe that Humans are native to this planet, & the Reptilians came from elsewhere, later, & started messing around w/Human & other Earth Animal DNA when they got here-- the Reptilians think that lying is a fair tactic -- persuading Humans that they [Reps] were here first is another little mind manipulation going on, imo --

Thanks, Wynderer. Do you see them as phsyical entities that can exist on this planet in their own physicality - or do you see them as fourth dimensional using a particular bloodline in order to manifest?

And, who were you abducted by? Don't answer if it's too personal.

Hi Teakai -- thanks for responding -- i see them as fourth dimensional using a particular bloodline in order to manifest -- i don't know if they were originally 3D entities & lost the right /ability to manifest in 3D -- but they seem to be stuck in the astral planes & , up till now, it's been thru specifically manipulated Human bodies [the bloodlines -- the masses were manipulated in other ways ] that they [Reptilians] have been able to experience what we call physicality

now they apparently have perfected their hybrid process enough to be able to extend their control of & influence on Earth

re being abducted -- a long story & one, like most other abductees, i am hesitant to share -- but here's the gist of it-- i have all the childhood experiences /memories/ signs of being a lifelong abductee -- about 10 yrs ago i fought to stay awake when i was being abducted -- 3 Greys floated me to a small ship, where i finally got to meet my abductor while [mostly] in a conscious state -- i called him the lizardy-looking dude until i learned online that he fits the description of a Reptilian, specifically a Draco

[modwiz]

I was amazed when I site that hasn't had a fresh post in months put up this one:http://montalk.net/gnosis/192/6-nordic-aliens-the-grail-race

It ties into the discussion here and elsewhere on Avalon.

[wynderer]

I was amazed when I site that hasn't had a fresh post in months put up this one:http://montalk.net/gnosis/192/6-nordic-aliens-the-grail-race

It ties into the discussion here and elsewhere on Avalon.

Hi Modwiz -- i'm glad to see that Tom from montalk is writing again -- he had a good forum going for a while, till he closed it down & backed off the net for awhile

here's a link to his 'aliens' page
http://montalk.net/alien

i generally agree w/his take on things

[Teakai]

Hi Teakai -- thanks for responding -- i see them as fourth dimensional using a particular bloodline in order to manifest -- i don't know if they were originally 3D entities & lost the right /ability to manifest in 3D -- but they seem to be stuck in the astral planes & , up till now, it's been thru specifically manipulated Human bodies [the bloodlines -- the masses were manipulated in other ways ] that they [Reptilians] have been able to experience what we call physicality

now they apparently have perfected their hybrid process enough to be able to extend their control of & influence on Earth

re being abducted -- a long story & one, like most other abductees, i am hesitant to share -- but here's the gist of it-- i have all the childhood experiences /memories/ signs of being a lifelong abductee -- about 10 yrs ago i fought to stay awake when i was being abducted -- 3 Greys floated me to a small ship, where i finally got to meet my abductor while [mostly] in a conscious state -- i called him the lizardy-looking dude until i learned online that he fits the description of a Reptilian, specifically a Draco

Thanks, Wynderer - again, if it's not too personal -are you still being abducted? And what feelings do these beings inspire in you? Are they friendly? Do they communicate? Are you aware of just what they've been doing to you?

I thought maybe I should pm this, but it is on topic so I leaned toward keeping it here.

Again, please don't answer if the questions make you uncomfortable - I just can't help asking, though - it's so fascinating. (And feel free to pm - if you don't want to answer publicly.)

[Teakai]

But maybe the distortion is only being picked up by and seen through the lens and missed by human perception.

Well, Go find this kind a "fenomena" From material pre-digital age. Good luck!

Ps It just takes some ability in analyzis and an open mind to see what this is.

Amen

Hi Pagan, David Icke has a portrait/photo from the 18th century or thereabout which he shows of a guy with reptilain pupils.

The things is - we're really only aware of it now and becomming aware of it because of the interent. In this digital age we can catch it and share it.

Here's an old picture - this isn't the David Icke one.

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[Chelle]

see them as fourth dimensional using a particular bloodline in order to manifest -- i don't know if they were originally 3D entities & lost the right /ability to manifest in 3D -- but they seem to be stuck in the astral planes & , up till now, it's been thru specifically manipulated Human bodies [the bloodlines -- the masses were manipulated in other ways ] that they [Reptilians] have been able to experience what we call physicality

now they apparently have perfected their hybrid process enough to be able to extend their control of & influence on Earth

Hi Wynderer,
Are all reptilian species using human bodies bad influences or could it be that some are good?
Are the humans that are manipulated by the reptilians aware of the manipulation?
When you say stuck in the Astral planes is this good or bad?

If you feel these are stupid question please disregard, I'm just really interested.

[Henners]

Just watched/heard this short clip and found it brief and straight to the point and factual. Hope you enjoy and agree.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjkuLiyPIhQ&feature=player_embedded

[Scott]

Thank you I really enjoyed that :)
People can say what they like about David but personally I always feel better about the world after hearing him speak.

Scott

[dendraw]

Hello all! Interesting comments (just realized there are 4 pages to this thread....yikes!). Well, in any case, coming from a Christian background myself (as a kid), you just listened and followed. It wasn't until I left the Church (age 18) and years later (28 or 29) suffered what one might call inner turmoil, that I started to search for a reconnection to "spirituality". I remember that I was so depressed and felt lost that I made this "plea"....to what I didn't know at the time, but something happened after that day. I think because the plea was so sincere, I had opened a door that showed me a different Path. The ideas I study now are based on Theosophical teachings. That for a "former" Christian were very challenging. I think a very simple concept that when it's reversed is one of the main causes of so much turmoil and strain to humanity today! It's when the "God" idea is taken from within and perceived outside and separated from each of us. It's this idea that keeps the "Church" in such a stronghold. That fact that those who feel they have to pray for help, or forgiveness or what have you to a source outside of themselves really snuffs out the individuals duty of responsibility! We become the eternal "helpless" victim. Always, leaving the task at hand to a source outside yourself. But, when you turn that idea inward and you understand the laws of "cause" and "effect", you start to see that YOUR thoughts and actions are put into motion by YOU and therefore are YOUR responsibility! So to the question of Reptilians and the like, as I've read, there are whole hierarchies of "Elementals and Elementaries" that take on the clothes or form we impress on them and if we allow our minds to be constantly immersed in this lower expression of our nature, this seems to make the "perfect" playground for these types of entities to participate on the scene. So I see these situations as "they only have the power we give them"! Anyway, gotta go to bed now!!! Night all!

[ktlight]

I got this from DI site.

Right brained/whole brained version.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViNqLAGrej0

[observer]

Thanks for the post ktlight.

After over twenty years of research into the reptillian phenomenon, I ran into David's work. This was in the mid '90s (I first discovered evidence of the reptilian presence in the mid '70s) At the point in time that I discovered David Icke, I was writing my own book on the subject. I abandoned that project when I realized David was a far better researcher, and a far greater author.

I would strongly suggest anyone wishing deeper understanding regarding the reality we all believe we perceive to read David Icke. Here are three of his books, free online:

Icke, David - '....And The Truth Shall Set You Free' - http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biggestsecret/andtruthfreebook/truthfree.htm

Icke, David - 'The Biggest Secret' - http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biggestsecret/biggestsecretbook/biggestsecret.htm#contents
Note: Chapter Two of this book ('Don't Mention the Reptiles') is a really good place to start if you need a crash course on the Reptilian presence.

Icke, David - 'Tales From The Time Loop' - http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biggestsecret/tales_timeloop/tales_timeloop.htm

I would highly recommended reading all three of these books, along with David's more recent work.

Of course, how many of the 'chatters' in here are really interested in research?

[ace]

I love the way David changes his voice when mocking the "Main Stream Media" or "Mary Jones" from down the street.

He is a Soul Trader, stands alone, a true great indervidual.

Long may you be. (sir)

Ace

[Tao O]

Hi, I am new and do not know how to view the post you are suggesting...thanks !

[Bob_2011]

All very well and nicely spoken David, but do YOU have a 40 year mortgage and 4 children .,:ballchain:

[Henners]

Hi, I am new and do not know how to view the post you are suggesting...thanks !
Just press the play button on the screen. It should play normally....

[Wiremu2011]

Hey Henners. Don't I know you from somewhere? I feel like we've met before...hmmmm??? By the way, have you purchased your Icke tickets yet?

[ViralSpiral]

David Icke is light a flashlight for most poeple: either on or off
Batteries are charged, in my rabbit-hole!
A few full moons ago I read..... and the truth shall set your free. What he was postulating back then seemed preposterous: A global elite? New World Order? Engineered wars? Controlled finance etc. etc.
I do not devour his site, nor have I read all his books. I did read Children of the Matrix though, when it was released. A bitter pill. Or should I say Neo's red pill.......
I piecemeal and this serves me.

So thank you Mister Icke

[DoubleHelix]

I purchased a ticket for his upcoming show in Perth (September).

I can't wait !!!!

[Bob_2011]

He does seem to be hedging his bets on the Reptilian issue,

Here,s a quote from his Children of The Matrix book,


If the reptilians did not exist we would have to invent them, in fact we probably have.

And then he goes on to suggest that we could all be reptilians.

Cake and eating it Dave !.:hungry:

[ktlight]

The Rothschild Zionists are not Jewish, they are Luciferians and use Judaism as a shield. They're not even Semitic, they are Caucasian. Semitic Jews look like Arabs. Ironically, they look more like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran than Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel. These Zionists criminals have been behind wars, and financial collapses for hundreds of years and today, they are behind the NWO and the so-called globalists. They control our congress, our mainstream media, our entertainment industry, and our education.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf539HYeOOM

[ktlight]

David Icke talks about the housing foreclosure epidemic and provides a solution on what to do if your house is foreclosed upon.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE0TtUvDypc

[butcherman]

o how i wish we could all help, i lost my home a few years ago personally i have my ups and downs emotionally but i feel liberated from the pressure of achievement and retrospectively i only work for food and shelter now.

[ktlight]

Connecting the dots is the most important thing.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68yJbzWQI2Y

[ktlight]

Watch the little boys and girls walking out on the President of Iran to pre-organised order by their master, Rothschild Zionism, when he was getting too close to the truth. Run along now boys and girls - teacher says.

Too pathetic for words to suffice. I've seen more brains in a tin of peas.
David Icke

Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdJPLpYTg2I&

Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9WTmsMfDpU

[ktlight]

David Icke telling what he knows. It's not just about what happened in the year of her death, it goes back to Babylon.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3H2hB21OOU

[DoubleHelix]

I've recently come to appreciate David in a whole new light.. he brings forth such a brilliant analysis of the big picture.

I'm really looking forward to September and seeing him in Perth for the first leg of his Aussie tour!

[super t]

My birthday is same as Williams, and I love sunligth. Should I be worried:eek:

[Dragonfly]

A clone?;)

[Gaia]

I’ve came across a couple of sources (Including French sites) that affirm that the Pont d’Alma Tunnel was an Merovingian Diana temple, but they often cite “Commentators” or “Anonymous sources”. So, yes, this fact is hard to prove conclusively. It is however verified that the Merovingian were avid worshipers of Diana and that they had numerous sites dedicated to the goddess in the Paris area. We will need a Paris historian or something to clarify this point.

[ktlight]

...Stop threatening my belief system.You`re mad!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCUBBoW5VMA

THEY LIVE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWy2LBXjkxw

[ktlight]

David begins talking about the new vibrations that are coming into the world to replace the old ones. He says it is not a time for the faint-hearted. The control system in clamping down harder than ever as more people are waking up to it. David says it is a time to listen to what feels right, not what sounds right. Then, he discusses the wide reaches and purpose of the current control system which is light years beyond us. David talks about the cosmic firewall that is in place between humanity and true information. This leads us into discussing the moon matrix. I

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2011/04/RIR-110424-dicke.mp3

[Lord Sidious]

YAY! Rowdy Roddy Piper!
Thanks for that.

[Davidallany]

What a great movie.

[happyexpat]

Den of Geek Interview John Carpenter (http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/63568/the_den_of_geek_interview_john_carpenter.html)


ANDERSON:...Escape From LA was a prescient film – it kind of makes more sense now than when it came out…

CARPENTER: (laughs) Yeah!

ANDERSON:…and the same dynamic seems to apply to They Live. What’s your reaction to getting it right, but no-one believing you at the time?

CARPENTER: It’s the story of my life! [laughs] A lot of my career has been like that. I’ve made a couple of films that later on, upon reflection, you say ‘My God’…I just wrote those things on instinct, so it’s not anything I planned out. It’s just my view of the world.

[Some Bloke]

The whole David Icke thing is a cult IMO, I think he's read up on some tin hat stuff and then says hes privvy to a whole load of stuff no one else is, sells books that are entertainment at best (thats what we've all been reared to thrive on)
And his forum ? Dear Lord !! I'm reading up on 'Existential Neurosis' at the moment, Victor Frankl, Yolom etc, its very interesting if anyone wants to read up on the psychology behind people who are all too ready to believe anything

[karelia]

The whole David Icke thing is a cult IMO, I think he's read up on some tin hat stuff and then says hes privvy to a whole load of stuff no one else is, sells books that are entertainment at best (thats what we've all been reared to thrive on)
And his forum ? Dear Lord !! I'm reading up on 'Existential Neurosis' at the moment, Victor Frankl, Yolom etc, its very interesting if anyone wants to read up on the psychology behind people who are all too ready to believe anything.

Wow. What a way to enter someone's home. How about a decrease in know-it-all attitude and an increase of will to learn the truth?

[mondaze]

play nicely! He doesn't know the rules...

[Ammit]

We all have the right to believe what we wish, it would not seem right to all believe the same..

[DevilPigeon]

The whole David Icke thing is a cult IMO, I think he's read up on some tin hat stuff and then says hes privvy to a whole load of stuff no one else is, sells books that are entertainment at best (thats what we've all been reared to thrive on)
And his forum ? Dear Lord !! I'm reading up on 'Existential Neurosis' at the moment, Victor Frankl, Yolom etc, its very interesting if anyone wants to read up on the psychology behind people who are all too ready to believe anything

That's cool, take of it what you will. Same as anything else. :)

[sllim11]

OMG i love this movie. just watched it recently for like the 5th time...

classic.

ps. not to mention listened to icke on red ice last night. thought it was very good!!

[DevilPigeon]

-----

Dave's great, I'm just about to finish his latest book.

[king anthony]

"I'm here to chew bubble gum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubble gum." - LOL

[Ammit]

Sound more like a DUKE then a KING..

[Chicodoodoo]

its very interesting if anyone wants to read up on the psychology behind people who are all too ready to believe anything

I won't be surprised if it turns out that we are all people that are all too ready to believe almost anything. Be careful about excluding yourself from that group. I think all humans are in there.

[king anthony]

Sound more like a DUKE then a KING..

...it is a quote from the movie...

[Arpheus]

The whole David Icke thing is a cult IMO, I think he's read up on some tin hat stuff and then says hes privvy to a whole load of stuff no one else is, sells books that are entertainment at best (thats what we've all been reared to thrive on)
And his forum ? Dear Lord !! I'm reading up on 'Existential Neurosis' at the moment, Victor Frankl, Yolom etc, its very interesting if anyone wants to read up on the psychology behind people who are all too ready to believe anything

Have you read any of his books at all?I would advise caution before calling something you don't know much about a cult.

[dan i el]

The whole David Icke thing is a cult IMO, I think he's read up on some tin hat stuff and then says hes privvy to a whole load of stuff no one else is, sells books that are entertainment at best (thats what we've all been reared to thrive on)
And his forum ? Dear Lord !! I'm reading up on 'Existential Neurosis' at the moment, Victor Frankl, Yolom etc, its very interesting if anyone wants to read up on the psychology behind people who are all too ready to believe anything

Expanding one's conceptions of the world around us is great; Some leads to other reading materials for when you are through with Frankl, Yolom etc:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goetia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picatrix

regards

[hexenomega]

yeah,
iv'e read all of david ikes books, its not a revelation as such but when you trawl the internet, you see that all he does is all taken from another, no original thought involved, to make money or to gain infamy idunno, an example, he claims to have channeled a vision about jesus and goes into great lengths to describe it, hmm i thought, that makes sense and iv'e never heard that before, then i'm on john lears site, read this american indians account with a et, and he tells him, nearly vebatim, the same thing, in 1954. morningstar if i remember, not wishing to trash him but in a different situation he would most definately do it to me, my evidence, his own words, just my 2 err euro's. Hey i'm not infallible, i am willing to be be tested to the point of distruction for what i know to be true, as i'm sure all of us are, but if your in a position such as ikes, you have a responsability to mankind that the path you lead them on is a good one, i'm anti pied piper, if you get me, so, love and light to you all, all have known love, but fewer have felt the light that is brighter and pure, seek on, its always there waiting

[Unified Serenity]

The whole David Icke thing is a cult IMO, I think he's read up on some tin hat stuff and then says hes privvy to a whole load of stuff no one else is, sells books that are entertainment at best (thats what we've all been reared to thrive on)
And his forum ? Dear Lord !! I'm reading up on 'Existential Neurosis' at the moment, Victor Frankl, Yolom etc, its very interesting if anyone wants to read up on the psychology behind people who are all too ready to believe anything

This reminds me of a lovely quote when someone comes to your house and spews a bunch of crap about it, "Don't let the door hit your A** on the way out".

[ktlight]

If you look to the run-up to the Iraq War.........


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1PvSqKzPvk

[Tahi]

ktlight, if you are going too post graphic video it would be courteous too post a GRAPHIC IMAGE warning. I know there are members of this forum who do not wish too see these graphic images.

I'm not having a go as I watched all the way through, just asking on behalf of non violence members.

Enjoy your posts... :eek:

[Tony]

We all have to toughen up, and be realistic!.............. This is compassion.
We have been sanitised for too long!!!
We have got to get informed.

pie'n'eal

[Tahi]

I understand what you mean by hardening up... BUT some really do not want to experience evil / violence, and want to live in a LOVE based existence. Free from those images.

What gives anyone the right to force it on them, by someone inadvertantly clicking on a link. My understanding pie'n'eal of your statement is that it will wake them up?

Reality check... the majority here are awake. Others are here to ask questions about waking as they proceed on thier journey. If you are trying to manifest a life without violence then I think viewing a vid on this content pasted from YouTube will not be helpful. And to some offensive.

Its still a choice? or would take that away from them... do you have that right?

And I still enjoy ktlight posts.

[K626]

Think the war is continious and ongoing with regard to assets and spheres of influence. I also don't think there will be any WORLD WAR 3 in conventional terms (mainly cause goals are being achieved without it).

World currency is being set up (once the euro is broken and the dollar is purposefully devalued).

There will be a new Bretton Woods and World bank oversight and lending agreements.

Gold and Silver will start to fall again when the new fiscal instruments start to come into play.


K

[norman]

David Icke seems to be one of the people here who are taking it all on the chin for the rest of us.

It's a bit like having a national army to go off and destroy threats to the lifestyle of the 'cushy' people back home.

I suppose it's all the same whichever way you look at it. A family grieves and then gets on with it after one of them is reported 'killed' abroad. As bad as it is, it's still better than having the fight come home to them all.

If "ascention" is a sweet and loving thing, in this world as it is, someone has to fight to protect that space for others to be candidates for ascention in.

When I hear David Icke talking I hear a man who is very troubled and soldier-like. Alex Jones is another one. I think they may not actually be on this current ascention train at all but are here to facilitate it.

[K626]

David Icke seems to be one of the people here who are taking it all on the chin for the rest of us.

It's a bit like having a national army to go off and destroy threats to the lifestyle of the 'cushy' people back home.

I suppose it's all the same whichever way you look at it. A family grieves and then gets on with it after one of them is reported 'killed' abroad. As bad as it is, it's still better than having the fight come home to them all.

If "ascention" is a sweet and loving thing, in this world as it is, someone has to fight to protect that space for others to be candidates for ascention in.

When I hear David Icke talking I hear a man who is very troubled and soldier-like. Alex Jones is another one. I think they may not actually be on this current ascention train at all but are here to facilitate it.

Think Icke means well and has highlighed certain key things about the police state and the hidden Govt...And he started it all way back in the day etc..But IMO he is no longer cutting edge.


K

[ktlight]

I understand what you mean by hardening up... BUT some really do not want to experience evil / violence, and want to live in a LOVE based existence. Free from those images.

What gives anyone the right to force it on them, by someone inadvertantly clicking on a link. My understanding pie'n'eal of your statement is that it will wake them up?

Reality check... the majority here are awake. Others are here to ask questions about waking as they proceed on thier journey. If you are trying to manifest a life without violence then I think viewing a vid on this content pasted from YouTube will not be helpful. And to some offensive.

Its still a choice? or would take that away from them... do you have that right?

And I still enjoy ktlight posts.

Hi Tahl, it is not my intention to force anyone to watch what they do not want to see. However, you cannot know the good without knowing the bad.

Hope you understand.

[Tahi]

Yep I hear you.

[ktlight]

.. time for humanity to fix bayonets.(metaphorically speaking)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFeauNw4ZvM

[Inanna]

I'm reading Icke's last book: "Human Race, Get Off Your Knees".
Yesterday I was reading the chapter about the Moon Matrix and I wanted to discuss something. Let's quote:


When people 'awaken' and start to escape the perceptional confines of Mind, they are disconnecting from the Moon Matrix 'hack' and reconnecting with the photons from the Sun, through which we can, in turn, reconnect to the All That Is.

Is it that simple?
It's thanks to David Icke and Project Avalon that I started to wake up recently. First I couldn't really handle the information, and I was physically ill (information overload?) all the time. Now, after a few months, I can 'feel' the information that comes to me, and I can intuitively decide what to do with it, without getting too much out of balance. It's like the dust has settled and now I can overlook the whole picture. I feel energized and excited, but on the other hand I can also feel when it's enough, when I should pull back and take some rest, do something else, let go of the focus for a while.

Since I feel much more awaken I started to notice something: I have the urge to sit in the sunlight, at least an hour (or more) a day. This is something new to me, because earlier I didn't feel that urge, and I only went out when there was something planned in my schedule, like jogging, a BBQ with friends, ... Now I have to go outside and sit in the sun, every day. It sounds a bit ridiculous maybe, but it's a strong urge. I don't know if this has anything to do with what Icke talks about in the quote above. It feels good to sit in the sun, absorb the sunlight, feel the warmth, get energized... Last Saturday I sat in the sun for at least 6 hours, it didn't bother me at all. Earlier I would have gotten a terrible headache and sunburns, but this time, it didn't happen.

[Teakai]

That was great. Thanks for posting Ktlight. I had my own personal revelation while listening which sort of connected it to the scriptures.

Saturn/satan on one hand - and to get out of the control of Saturn/satan's clutches (frequency) there's Christ/Krystos/soul consciousness = raising the frequency out of the range of the matrix moon frequency.

Maybe it was only cool to me, but I thought I'd share the connection anyway. Which sort of seems quite obvious, now.

:)

[KosmicKat]

Maybe it was only cool to me, but I thought I'd share the connection anyway. Which sort of seems quite obvious, now.

:)

Often momentous information like this seems obvious or even perhaps trivial in hindsight. But for those of us for whom the light is still breaking through the darkness, the importance of every little fragment cannot be overstated.

[T Smith]

David begins talking about the new vibrations that are coming into the world to replace the old ones. He says it is not a time for the faint-hearted. The control system in clamping down harder than ever as more people are waking up to it. David says it is a time to listen to what feels right, not what sounds right. Then, he discusses the wide reaches and purpose of the current control system which is light years beyond us. David talks about the cosmic firewall that is in place between humanity and true information. This leads us into discussing the moon matrix. I

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2011/04/RIR-110424-dicke.mp3

Thanks for the thread, ktlight. I have a question I'm feeling you may be able to speak to. I've been meditating on the false-fear paradigm generated by our Reptillian captors, which is central to Icke's thesis.

The Reptillians cultivate humanity to harvest fear/death/suffering energy. What is the specific dynamic at play that allows this energy to sustain them?

[ktlight]

David begins talking about the new vibrations that are coming into the world to replace the old ones. He says it is not a time for the faint-hearted. The control system in clamping down harder than ever as more people are waking up to it. David says it is a time to listen to what feels right, not what sounds right. Then, he discusses the wide reaches and purpose of the current control system which is light years beyond us. David talks about the cosmic firewall that is in place between humanity and true information. This leads us into discussing the moon matrix. I

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2011/04/RIR-110424-dicke.mp3

Thanks for the thread, ktlight. I have a question I'm feeling you may be able to speak to. I've been meditating on the false-fear paradigm generated by our Reptillian captors, which is central to Icke's thesis.

The Reptillians cultivate humanity to harvest fear/death/suffering energy. What is the specific dynamic at play that allows this energy to sustain them?

If you watch this vid, you will have Credo Mutwa's perspective, emanating from his personal knowledge.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4apWOUNOx64

[Teakai]

Maybe it was only cool to me, but I thought I'd share the connection anyway. Which sort of seems quite obvious, now.

:)

Often momentous information like this seems obvious or even perhaps trivial in hindsight. But for those of us for whom the light is still breaking through the darkness, the importance of every little fragment cannot be overstated.

True dat, Kosmic. I've been listening to Jonathan Kleck's channel. It is so good. He pulls apart that Sumerian engraving and decodes it and what it means.
He very very Chrisitian - only I watch it without getting caught up in that side of it - but for me all these dots seem to be connecting lately in regard to the scriptures - history- and reality. The picture has become so much clearer for me in regard to what's really going on here and why.

Here's the link to Kleck's channel for anyone interested. Very Christian - but VERY revealing and interesting. This is the one that got me going back and watching the series he made.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQrGCOZTvVI

I think I'll start this a thead of it's own.

[DeDukshyn]

...
Since I feel much more awaken I started to notice something: I have the urge to sit in the sunlight, at least an hour (or more) a day. This is something new to me, because earlier I didn't feel that urge, and I only went out when there was something planned in my schedule, like jogging, a BBQ with friends, ... Now I have to go outside and sit in the sun, every day. It sounds a bit ridiculous maybe, but it's a strong urge. I don't know if this has anything to do with what Icke talks about in the quote above. It feels good to sit in the sun, absorb the sunlight, feel the warmth, get energized... Last Saturday I sat in the sun for at least 6 hours, it didn't bother me at all. Earlier I would have gotten a terrible headache and sunburns, but this time, it didn't happen....

Just to let you know I've been feeling the exact same thing - can't get enough sun this year ... the sun has been changing a lot the last few years, there was a bit of a dialogue on it here:http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19549-Terrifying-scientific-discovery-Strange-emissions-by-sun-suddenly-mutating-matter&p=208409&viewfull=1#post208409

[ktlight]

http://blip.tv/file/5093228

http://blip.tv/file/5094032

[ktlight]

David explains what he calls the 'Moon Matrix'


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeWtaIAsX6k


David Icke- Who Built the Moon..interesting interview pt.2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i46ageDGL-w

[ktlight]

Anthony Peake talks on BBC Radio about the effects of HAARP. Segment from the documentary 'The Peake Experience' available from www.logicreality.co.uk release: Mid June 2011.

For your information:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1_ngsmj_S4

[ktlight]

For your information:

Trailer for the 90 minute 'ad-lib' documentary to be posted on Davidicke.com

Full video shown in second post.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZZiuNyIW8w

[ktlight]

(November 2010) In the seventh interview with David Icke, Regina Meredith talks with him about his latest book, Human Race Get Off Your Knees as well as the background information about the Moon.
For the full interview go to www.consciousmedianetwork.com


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kRyponEkIk

[Tony]

I have read Dr Simoncini's book, and it sounds great.
I actually wrote to him, to ask if I could quote his work.

But a doubt is in my mind. I wrote to Barry Groves PHD.
(he wrote TRICK AND TREAT)
about cancer being a fungus, he did not agree.
His site is called SECOND OPINION.

I'm open to further investigation. it's not easy to suggest
to someone who has cancer that this will work.

Personally I'd try it.

Better still read Barry Grove's book, it's our diet is to blame.
It's all wrong. It's because we are eating 'healthy food', that we are
becoming sicker.

I'm a life long veggy, but now eat fat, and very little carbohydrates.
What your great grand mother ate was right!!!

I life of healthy food, was killing me and you. The food industry
make you ill. that the pharmaceuticals move in for the kill!!!

Cereals, bran are just fillers.

Really check this out properly.

pie'n'eal

[Tony]

This subject is so complex!
Polyunsaturated fats are dangerous = margarine. Butter = good!

I'm still reading the data on this subject, but it turns out we are being killed on at an industrial level.
The causes of cancer are made to look complex, but it's all down to our modern processed diet.

Everything is engineered.

Do not be sentimental about this. What you think you know.....think again!

My waist looks better!!!

pie'n'eal

[Tony]

And fruit....?
We are not supposed to eat fruit all the year round.
Barry Groves says eat what is local.

Imported food, is some else's food.

Back to fat. You are told not to eat fat..why?
Your body needs fatty acids, it is energy.

Sugars and carbohydrate just give you a rush.
So you are always peckish. Peckish!!!
You are malnourished!!!

pie'n'eal

[ktlight]

David Icke audio taken from his lecture 'From The Ancient World To 2012'


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IF0eoZ7Xpo

[ktlight]

David highlights the importance of Rome and London to the global conspiracy and their Satanic ritual connection when he visited Rome on the recent Beltane weekend in which the Royal Wedding in London on April 29th was followed two days later by a major ritual in St Peter's Square related to Pope John Paul II on the key Beltane date of May 1st.

A coincidence? Not a chance.

A 90-minute documentary shot in Rome by Neil Hague and produced by Jay4louise.

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/48825-david-icke-the-london-rome-beltane-ritual-2011

[jackovesk]

David Icke: The London-Rome Beltane Ritual 2011

Saturday, 21 May 2011 11:43

David highlights the importance of Rome and London to the global conspiracy and their Satanic Ritual Connection when he visited Rome on the recent Beltane weekend in which the Royal Wedding in London on April 29th was followed two days later by a major ritual in St Peter's Square related to Pope John Paul II on the key Beltane date of May 1st.

A coincidence? Not a chance.

Trailer...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjLX-RHr_3I

Watch the Full 90-minute Documentary shot in Rome by Neil Hague and produced by Jay4louise.

here...

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/48825-david-icke-the-london-rome-beltane-ritual-2011

[Cjay]

Thank you, Lily. I just found this independently and I was about to start a new thread when I found you had already started this one.


From the website for David Icke's tour of Australia and New Zealand:
http://www.thelionsleepsnomoretour.com/

David will be focusing heavily on his new book including content specific to Australia and New Zealand!

[Lily de Cuir]

Hello Everyone,

Was actually just thinking about this today, of how to get up to the Gold Coast. I'm northern NSW. Anyone around here that I could get a lift with? I'm not real good with long haul driving on highways etc.

Early days yet, but just a thought to throw out.

Cheers,
Lily

PS: Got an email yesterday, not many tickets left, better get in now if you're interested.

[DoubleHelix]

I'll be attending the Perth event, if anyone else wants to join me :)

[ExHaLaTiON]

I like David, should be a good show.

[Lord Sidious]

I'll be attending the Perth event, if anyone else wants to join me :)

Nah, f**k that s**t, oops, hang on, this isn't the swear thread.
Sorry.
Carry on. :p

[witchy1]

Was just thinking if hes here in Sydney on the 23rd October, does this mean he believes that all will be safe from the 17th October appearance of Levy Tych Nibaru X etc. and following air show planned for Nov 5 and 23rd???

[ponda]

There's some interesting info on this video.It covers a fair bit of ground and has some footage and info that was new to me.

It has some good ufo footage and other info about things such as NWO,Nibiru,Anannaki,Reptilians etc.An interesting observation was the image of a blinking demonic face in the dust cloud of the 911 tower collapse (pt 3- 3.20m)

Some of it is questionable imho.There is an image of a massive giant and one researcher says that 'all' et's are bad etc.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_c1BwQ9EY8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_c1BwQ9EY8



You can watch the vids from this link and they will download continuously one after the other:

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/49174-david-icke-so-who-are-they

[ktlight]

THIS SERIES COVERS A WHOLE HEAP OF STUFF TO BE CONSIDERED

❝Some people see things that are and ask, Why? Some people dream of things that never were and ask, Why not? Some people have to go to work and don't have time for all that.❞ George Carlin RIP✞

Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoR-GMGM498

Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uKbxHtNxpA

Part 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCWIFMq_5fc

Part 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dq7yiszMzw

Part 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB8EDWcb-3U

[pharoah21]

I do believe most of the information presented in these videos except this. "All aliens are bad aliens". How does he know? Has he met them all? No. Maybe all the aliens who are behind TPTB are, but based on many experiences by many people, there are many good aliens out there.

[ktlight]

I do believe most of the information presented in these videos except this. "All aliens are bad aliens". How does he know? Has he met them all? No. Maybe all the aliens who are behind TPTB are, but based on many experiences by many people, there are many good aliens out there.

That's what stood out to me, and I agree with you absolutely.

[christian]

I do believe most of the information presented in these videos except this. "All aliens are bad aliens".

I've read some of his books, he says, that there are actually more good ones than service-to-self folks.

It's simply not part of this small documentary.

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks KTLIGHT .....You cant beat a good dose of Ickey , Love him or hate him he is deffinatley Thought provoking , and the further down the 'Rabbit Hole' I go the more it makes sence.....See you in 'Alice Springs '....LOL

[GlassSteagallfan]

THEY are:

The
Heriarchy that
Enslaves
You

[norman]

And Ickei does all without a hint of dreamery and wishful thinking.

In the old days it was called a Policeman's Hunch.

These days the world of thinking people is made up of mostly 2 camps. One camp believes what it want's and wishes to believe and believes it's the way to make it happen. The other camp is reluctant to believe anything at all but has to work with the evidence and gets dragged along a path of realisation it would happily not have to.

David Icke speaks very well to both groups but I think his personal journey is very much in the second camp.

[Cjay]

Honestly, I don't know what to believe. I am open minded. I am forever having experiences that don't make sense based on what I think I know. I don't believe I am hallucinating and I am not paranoid. I hear things, I see things, I feel things. Some of it is very creepy, some is serene. Almost all of it is thought provoking. I know things exist that I can't see, hear, or sense in any physical way. Some of them would be close enough to touch, if they had physical form. Some are too small and some are too distant.

Some say that all will be revealed in time. I don't agree with that. Some secrets or mysteries will never be known.

[DickDavie]

So, I noticed that the man has released a new iPhone app with about 4 hours of video content... A decent up-to-date introduction to him and his ideas I guess. I've heard a lot of people dissing Icke and the fact that he now has an app (which, by the way wasn't even developed by him!). What are people's general opinions on him? Personally, although Icke has a few far-fetched theories, I think a lot of his material is pretty spot on. He is very genuine and has very honest and positive intentions. And he is very well-informed! Any interesting thoughts around?

By the way, if anyone is interested, here's the link to the app page:
http://www.back-door.co.uk/AppSupport/index.html (http://www.back-door.co.uk/AppSupport/walkthrough.html)

[Roseheart]

He's a powerful voice and he just keeps on keeping on.
He blew my mind when I first encountered his work and I haven't looked back.
Respect. Even if you don't agree with everything he says.
I'm about to buy my ticket to hear him speak in Sydney.

[ktlight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obYeD3GEs5E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obYeD3GEs5E&feature=player_embedded

[Teakai]

I bought the book - 'a holographic universe' because of that story about the father not being able to see the daughter when she's standing in front of him.

Must get around to reading it. Fascinating stuff.

[Cidersomerset]

Hi all this ties in very well with what ION has been saying, one of the many things he says is we create reality with the spoken word not ' thought' and everything that has happened and ever will happen has been create by God 'us' . Not some super entity ' us'.
Now when I first heard this I thought , I think we could have made a better job of our reality than this.....But his explanations are facinating and funny, we started a thread that has not gone anywhere yet .
Ecnal 61 was a bit premature because neither of us have figured out how to do links yet , but we are working on it LOL... I've got a bit of a hang over this morning to many ciders last night

'up town top ranking' ha ha got coffee going back for lie down , back soon cheers Steve..

[Lily de Cuir]

Hello Everyone,

Just a 'heads-up'. Got an email from Adam Davis today (organiser for David Icke's tour in Australia).

He's hearing from some people that it's sold out all over Oz. Not so! There are still a few hundred tickets left for all venues.

Get in and get your ticket! He won't be back for ages. This is an exciting event not to be repeated anytime soon....

I will be going to the Gold Coast or Brisbane event, not sure which, without trawling through my emails. (Think it's the Gold Coast one).

Look out for me, the white haired one with a hat, see my profile to see what I look like so you can recognise me (Pic on PA is sans hat).

Hope to see like-minded souls and join for a few bevvies afterwards!

Love Lily de Cuir
x

[Lily de Cuir]

Hi again,

Just checked my diary...yep, Sat 24 Sept 9.30am to 6.30pm,
Gold Coast Convention Centure, Cnr Gold Coast Highway & TE Peters Drive, Broadbeach, QLD

I will be at the Gold Coast Venue, hope to see fellow Avalonians there. As said in a previous post, let me know if anyone in Northern NSW would like to carpool. Not sure how many of us there are.

PM me.

Kind regards,
Lily

[pharoah21]

I was thinking about David just a few weeks ago, mainly on how I'd love to hear him speak in person. Thanks so much for posting this thread up! I'll be buying tickets for Melbourne tomorrow :D

[ktlight]

"I, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic ...."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmiPLmBV7kc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmiPLmBV7kc&feature=player_embedded

[StateOfTheHeart]

I've got my ticket to the Melbourne show :)

See ya there ;) :llama::llama::llama:

[Trinity]

anyone know where he will be speaking in melbourne..?

[StateOfTheHeart]

anyone know where he will be speaking in melbourne..?

Yep, at the Astor Theatre, 1 Chapel St., St. Kilda.

[witchy1]

Just as well you remined me. Tickets booked.

[DickDavie]

I agree with you; although I don't completely agree with everything David Icke says, the gist of his message is very powerful and significant.
I think that with Icke, and with any other material on the same topics, it is about the general ideas and the bigger picture, and not so much about individual details.
He might not be 100% accurate with everything he says, but that doesn't take anything away from the things he says that do have real value.

At the end of the day, we each choose what we believe in and create our own reality accordingly.

I am very interested in hearing more about Icke's spiritual views, which are evidently very present as well, but I believe are overshadowed by all the conspiracy talk. They do of course go hand in hand.

[ktlight]

David Icke - Truth Seeker with Margi Clarke. Extract. A new documentary coming soon from www.logicreality.co.uk


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj1Hvj8IW5w

[ktlight]

"COTO Report and Megan 'Verb' Kargher are pleased to present Vox Populi, Methods of Manipulation. It has become increasingly evident that large portions of the planet are descending at an alarming speed into Orwellian police states. What is the New World Order and what are their plans for mankind? How can we stop the corruption now? Join me as I travel in search of what is really going on in the world in which we live. Featuring interviews with David Icke, Max Igan, Freeman, Jordan Maxwell, Dr. George Rhodes, Ben Stewart and Charlie Veitch."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqrdHLzvIV4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqrdHLzvIV4&feature=player_embedded#at=97

[ktlight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W71f3JB_12E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W71f3JB_12E&feature=player_embedded

[Teakai]

I do agree - our Western society is crazy insane.

Step one to recovery - recognise you have a problem :)

[Gaia]

Icke clearly exposes the farce of this slave system.

[Borden]

I love David Icke but he seems mad as a banana. I wonder if this is because one has to be mad as a banana to see past the essential madness of how we live. I agree with him, so I must be as mad as a banana also. The world is bananas.

Borden.

[Fred Steeves]

I love David Icke but he seems mad as a banana. I wonder if this is because one has to be mad as a banana to see past the essential madness of how we live. I agree with him, so I must be as mad as a banana also. The world is bananas.

Borden.

Everyone here must be mad as a banana. I know I am, and so do I...


Cheers,
Fred

[Teakai]

I love David Icke but he seems mad as a banana. I wonder if this is because one has to be mad as a banana to see past the essential madness of how we live. I agree with him, so I must be as mad as a banana also. The world is bananas.

Borden.

Do you think so, Borden? I'd be interested to hear your take on why you think so. (is it the reptilians?)

From what I've seen of him I think he comes across as completely sane and reasoned. So much so that I'm perfectly open to the possibility of reptilians :)
(I don't feel as mad as a banana, though -in fact, I'm one of the sanest people I know - possibly the sanest :) )

[Borden]

Hello, Teakai,

David Icke has made me entertain some crazy ideas ... and some very good ones. He seems a mixed bag. What I mean is that his demeanour bears all the hallmarks of someone who is mad. Now ... given what a world we live in, madness may be the only answer to so-called sanity. I think he makes a lot of sense, but as the years turn he seems more isolated in his mind. You can tell from the play-out things he does with his voice and face. Is this the isolation borne from his position or is it common or garden insanity? And then ... what is common or garden insanity? It seems to me that there is far too much we take for granted as a species. The definition of sanity surely isn't the way this world is set up, right?

Borden.

[Teakai]

Hello, Teakai,

David Icke has made me entertain some crazy ideas ... and some very good ones. He seems a mixed bag. What I mean is that his demeanour bears all the hallmarks of someone who is mad. Now ... given what a world we live in, madness may be the only answer to so-called sanity. I think he makes a lot of sense, but as the years turn he seems more isolated in his mind. You can tell from the play-out things he does with his voice and face. Is this the isolation borne from his position or is it common or garden insanity? And then ... what is common or garden insanity? It seems to me that there is far too much we take for granted as a species. The definition of sanity surely isn't the way this world is set up, right?

Borden.

Well, I'm using sanity in it's dictionary context. What we may consider to be crazy ideas may simply be considered such by the conditioning of our minds without any basis in logic which is of course insanity. You may well be the insane person passing judgment on the sanity of another :lol:

That which one considers to be good may be so because it register comfortably with one's instilled level of comfort and yet may still hold no basis in logic.

I'm not seeing what you mean in regard to David Icke's demeanour, though, and how he bears the hallmarks of someone who is mad. I have noticed in his talks that he comes across that he doesn't really give too much of a rats about how he's perceived, but I figure that's simply because he's comfortable in his own being. Is it something specific he does that makes you think he might mad (by dictionary definiton)

"A man might pass for insane who should see things as they are." ~William Ellery Channing

This would depend, I imagine, on the level of the perceivers own sanity.
:)

[ponda]

David Icke..."the insecurity of the predators mind seeks control"

Nice insights


Thanks for this ktlight.Mr Icke gets better with age

[Black Panther]

Like John Lennon said:

"Everybody is crazy and they think I'm crazy. That's the crazy thing about it"

So.. if people think you are crazy you are on the right track :).

[Teakai]

Like John Lennon said:

"Everybody is crazy and they think I'm crazy. That's the crazy thing about it"

So.. if people think you are crazy you are on the right track :) .

So...if crazy people think you're crazy that makes you sane? But, maybe if crazy people think you're crazy you're just a different kind of crazy?

Too iffy.

I wouldn't go by what the crazy people think.
:)

[Muzz]

David Icke - Message For The Uniforms and The People!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9PAlI-kVF4&feature=player_embedded#at=161

[ktlight]

Peacefull,mass non-compliance,unity with your fellow beings and raising your own vibrational frequency, losing the fear and being the change,you wish to see in the world.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c85qjQHXPls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c85qjQHXPls&feature=player_embedded

[ThePythonicCow]

I corrected the spelling of Einstein's name (from einstien) in the thread title, even though that meant it no longer matched the actual Youtube title.

The misspelling was bugging me - sorry ;).

[ktlight]

I corrected the spelling of Einstein's name (from einstien) in the thread title, even though that meant it no longer matched the actual Youtube title.

The misspelling was bugging me - sorry ;).

Thanks for that, Paul. I just refuse to amend/correct author's spelling or grammar. Like wise, I would not refuse your right to make amendments, especially if they bug you.

[ktlight]

SPAIN BEGINS THE EUROPEAN REVOLUTION AND THIS IS STILL GOING ON SINCE 15TH MAY ,TOTAL NEWS BLACKOUT SO DOESN'T SPREAD THROUGH EUROPE AND WORLD!!!PEACE
Peacefull,mass non-compliance,unity with your fellow beings and raising your own vibrational frequency, losing the fear and being the change,you wish to see in the world.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSOy-woeEig

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSOy-woeEig&feature=player_embedded

[Lost Soul]

I hope the Greeks renounce all the settlements that turns over their assets to the foreign investors. May they go the way of Iceland and may Europe follow the "birthplace of democracy."

BTW, Gerald Celente predicted that the Arab Spring would spread to Europe this summer. Let's hope Italy is next.

[Ecnal61]

thanx ktlight i had no idea about whats going on in spain,for what its worth il start spreading the word.

[Fred Steeves]

BTW, Gerald Celente predicted that the Arab Spring would spread to Europe this summer. Let's hope Italy is next.


Just a little by & by here, has anyone else wondered where the term "Arab Spring" came from? Seems to me that delightful sounding little term was all at once just, there.


Cheers,
Fred

[kersley]

What really piss me off is those police who fight against us, Then go home take the uniform off and mingle amongst us.
How do they switch like that?

[siggy]

Go Greece and Spain! [and well done Iceland!]

however, I fear that the UK has had the fight knocked of us over the last 25 years or so. There are no communities anymore and most just want to keep their heads down. I think it'll take a lot before we get anything like the same scale of demo's in the UK. I hope I'm wrong but.....

[ktlight]

SPAIN BEGINS THE EUROPEAN REVOLUTION AND THIS IS STILL GOING ON SINCE 15TH MAY ,TOTAL NEWS BLACKOUT SO DOESN'T SPREAD THROUGH EUROPE AND WORLD!!!PEACE
Peacefull,mass non-compliance,unity with your fellow beings and raising your own vibrational frequency, losing the fear and being the change,you wish to see in the world.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHdqnQruJNQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHdqnQruJNQ&feature=player_embedded

[Lisab]

Can't load video. Do you think it's being blocked already? Or cos on ifone.
I really want to know more . Thanks ktlight love Lisa

[ktlight]

Can't load video. Do you think it's being blocked already? Or cos on ifone.
I really want to know more . Thanks ktlight love Lisa

I am not certain, but I think to upload to iphone, you have to load the http:\\ link.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Been with this guy from day one...great man.

Thanks kt.

viking

[Teakai]

Cor! That were good wannit.

I could OD on DI.

[Mike Gorman]

Courageous man, the public pilloried him when he experienced his first 'epiphanies' -the Terry Wogan show times-he was
bewildered by the volume and intensity of the insights and information going through him, like a lightening rod.
At times i have thought..Whoa there Dave! Reptiles, intergalactic conspiracies? But the core message has always been..awaken!
this is not real, they are screwing you ..and this is absolute human Gold.....Onya David, a hero of Truth.

[Teakai]

David Icke doing another fantastic talk. This sums it all up nicely and would be a good one to pass on to anyone whose interested in learning what's really going on in the wolrd:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWcbKIbFVKI&feature=feedu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWcbKIbFVKI&feature=feedu)
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWcbKIbFVKI&feature=feedu

[ktlight]

"CALLING ALL BRITONS - YOUR COUNTRY NEEDS YOU! (FEAT.OUR AMERICAN ALLIES ALEX JONES & STEWART SWERDLOW)
WE HAVE BEEN INFILTRATED AND TAKEN OVER BY NAZIS.
Good people of England. It is with a heavy heart that i have to tell you that foreign air forces, in collusion with our own air force and leaders, have been spraying our skies with deadly biological weapons for the last 10 years.
The effect on our health and the environment is at present incalculable. Until now we have lacked the information and the fortitude to combat this ever-present evil.
i am dispatching teams of sky watchers across southern England, whose contribution to the infowar, un-phased by public opinion, mockery and media propaganda, has been invalid, un-daunting and wholly effective.
we have contacted the government, the air force and innumerable agencies having warned that unless we heard from them by 11 o'clock May day, a state of infowar would exist between us.
i have to tell you now that no such undertaking has been received and that consequently, this country is at infowar with the chemtrail operations.
The battle of Britain has NOT ended. The chemtrail battle of britain has just begun.

The Chemtrail Rally will be held from 11am, 9th July 2011 near Duxford airfield, Cambridgeshire to coincide with the Flying Legends air show. This is a massive public event near to London and being a former Battle of Britain airfield perhaps we can shame the air force should we encounter
any unwelcome treatment by the authorities. The exact location will be revealed nearer the time for obvious reasons.

I am appealing for help with this rally so please contact me should you wish to help with the organisation of this peaceful event. Any acoustic groups that can provide music on the day please get in touch. There will be public speakers. Please bring flyers, banners, loud hailers, sound equipment, cameras, recorders and as much information as you can to disseminate to the public.

From this weekend, in the run up to the event, I will be handing out information at as many air shows as I can get to. Contact me if you would like to assist at an air show near you. Lets show the public how muted the British air force is in the wake of such un-paralleled crimes against its own people. They are not only shirking their responsibilities in protecting the public, they are ignoring the illegal foreign air force activity in the very skies they fly in.

This is our chance to really show the strength of feeling that is building through the efforts of sky watchers around the country. Such pressure has shown itself in the propaganda arm of the British government that the BBC has stage-managed a very slick retort in the form of a chemtrail disinformation programme in the weather show on the BBC News 24 channel only a fortnight ago. Why now? Because our information is getting out there and it's having a huge effect. More people know about the aerial spraying. In my view the BBC laid out a pre-emptive strike in the info war, even tying in 9/11 into the fake science. It was subtle, patronising, bordering on criminal though ultimately, a failure that is rebounding in their face.

Patrick"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lcq5D-5mbWw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lcq5D-5mbWw&feature=player_embedded

[EileenCookies]

It looks like this fight needs to happen.

Lucia Rene (Unplugging from the patriarchy) Remote Viewing team isn't able (it isn't safe for them) to perceive the people behind this affront on humanity and our planet. (She's a friend often mentioned by Inelia).

So if not from behind, we will attack them from the front! Woopee!

All my wishes go with you David!

eileen l.

[ktlight]

Totally agree! That would be awesome!!! ALSO, "Consciousness Is ALL" by Peter Dziuban is AMAZING! Simply yet profoundly illustrates the same point Icke makes... Consciousness is the only truth. Loved it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9JrMVmLu94

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9JrMVmLu94&feature=player_embedded

[ktlight]

Every single solitary war Is merely the rich manipulating the poor Every single solitary war Is merely the rich manipulating the poor From ancient kings of yore
And Pharaohs from before Illuminati bloodlines rule the world They dress themselves in skin And conquer from within Saluting to a flag as yet unfurled
They have their go-betweens And justify their means By playing on our fears and pent desire The fabled Lords of Rings They are the Lizard Kings By dragons' breath the skies alight with fire Cause I don't want to be the one who told you so
But I told you so It gives me no pleasure now To say, to say You are not the only ones to be controlled To be controlled We are but the masters of the day The day
The men of skulls and bones They sit upon their thrones But they are just the pawns that we can see The secrets that are kept Have grown up as we slept
And now they threaten all humanity You may be one to laugh Call it a foolish path
But wise men say the truth will make us free The part that they leave out Is that without a doubt The truth destroys a false reality


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_EAnLtA50w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_EAnLtA50w&feature=player_embedded

[ktlight]

THEY WANT TO SHUT JAY4LOUISE DOWN.

"The videos produced by 'Jay4louise' are compiled by a great guy who is totally committed to communicating the information that will set humanity free of its servitude. These videos, widely available on this website, have become so successful in breaking the spell on so many human minds that the authorities are saying that they are going to delete his website - http://www.youtube.com/user/jay4louise2 - in part for breaching copyright of the song, Uprising, by Muse, a band that clearly have great sympathy with what Jay4louise and myself are seeking to do. The Muse song is all over YouTube at sites like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYRGjMSUoU8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfblGznVLJo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqPVz101nd0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIWn5FS5FkU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb0Eq6wko_U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjdZCLEsoDQ

Nothing happens about the rest of them, but the one they seek to eliminate for using what is widely available is the guy having such success in circulating the information that will set people free. The Internet is owned by Rothschild Zionists - Google, Facebook, Amazon, on and on it goes. They want the benefits of recording where you go on the Internet and what you say in your emails, but they don't want the downside from their point of view, which is the global circulation of information that is exposing the real controllers of the Internet and so much else. The organisation targeting Jay4louise is the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI), whose members read like an Illuminati Who's Who?"

http://www.ifpi.org/content/section_about/index.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj9y7eqpwU4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj9y7eqpwU4&feature=player_embedded

[ktlight]

LOL, yet again the truthandjustice reload of a jay4louise video,has appeared on the search results 10 minutes after being uploaded.The original video by jay4louise has yet to appear on search results,despite being uploaded 4 hours ago.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s0_ZK3oS6c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s0_ZK3oS6c&feature=player_embedded

[ktlight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWf1WEO7bMk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWf1WEO7bMk&feature=player_embedded

[Eric J (Viking)]

Thanks KT ..I'll have a good listen to this one...

Charlie take note!!

viking

[Chucky]

Thanks ktlight. Downloading this one for sure. Icke has a uncanny understanding of the world at large and my son is off to see him here in australia soon. Wish I could be with him. Cheers

[ktlight]

An excellent interview:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trsnoZ4wj0M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trsnoZ4wj0M&feature=player_embedded

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Ktlight ......David at his best, giving us his interpretation of our satainic leaders. This ties in with the vid I posted on the tolkien thread......The Satanic Cult of Saturn.

worth a watch if you have not already .......

ITzDHXiS86g

[ktlight]

COTO Report and Megan 'Verb' Kargher are pleased to present Vox Populi, Methods of Manipulation. It has become increasingly evident that large portions of the planet are descending at an alarming speed into Orwellian police states. What is the New World Order and what are their plans for mankind? How can we stop the corruption now? Join me as I travel in search of what is really going on in the world in which we live. Featuring interviews with David Icke, Max Igan, Freeman, Jordan Maxwell, Dr. George Rhodes, Ben Stewart and Charlie Veitch.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqrdHLzvIV4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqrdHLzvIV4&feature=player_embedded#at=329

[ktlight]

"Mr Veitch was educated at The Edinburgh Academy and is the son of a wealthy oil worker. He claims to have been employed for HBOS in wealth management after attending Edinburgh University. He has also said he served in the Army. He says he was made redundant during the financial crisis and then decided to become a full-time protester and film-maker."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeACyYmyqvU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeACyYmyqvU&feature=player_embedded

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

This should give you more of an insight.
http://wakeup2010.blogspot.com/2011/07/whose-charlie-veitch.html

[ktlight]

David Icke explains how we create our own reality.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPPDrrCyv4Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPPDrrCyv4Y&feature=player_embedded

[ktlight]

...What you put out is what you get back....it`s time to take responsibility and take back your power!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odifqe_8Ers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odifqe_8Ers&feature=player_embedded#at=261

[Davidallany]

David Icke puts Buddha's and Dalai lama's sermons to shame. Easy to digest, yet so profound.

[truthseekerdan]

Great video! Now it's the time to break this cycle, and create our new reality...

[Black Panther]

Thanks for sharing ktlight!

I'm reading his new book: 'Human Race Get off Your Knees'
http://davidickebooks.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=246
I really recommend it. :yes4:.

http://www.davidicke.com/images/banners/humanrace.jpg

[Calz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kKpTTUAfLw&feature=player_embedded

[ktlight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QCJ6CEzQjU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QCJ6CEzQjU&feature=player_embedded

[Teakai]

Brilliant ,KT, will save that for tomorrow as it's late now.

hah -
kt
tk

told you it was late :)

[ktlight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rceBAXQZDDo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rceBAXQZDDo&feature=player_embedded

[Muzz]

David Icke - So Who are they? The Historical Evidence.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmSfs1wb3bk&feature=player_embedded#at=13

[ErichSirem]

Ok so i am new here but i just remembered something that shocked me a little.
The memory is from Back a couple months ago i was imagining a movie i could make when i get older about scary stories of different sorts listening to music. Then a night later i had dreams about scary stories and i was in one or playing as a character in one. The dream it was at a old house on a very flat piece of land in a area a ways from other houses. There was a man there who was kind of a guru of sorts but was evil in the sense that he knew what was going on that was harmful. I think he had a strange cane but I'm not sure. He had something that could manipulate things or make him jump from one place to another fade in an out of areas through shadow. In the Dream he warned us there was something not so nice about to happen and then this creature who was like a reptile humanoid with a long tail came out of the darkness outside in front of the house it was terrifying. Well we ran and some other very creepy things went on In and around the house but its very fuzzy and i remember at a certain point realizing the story in my mind and I said to my self oh wait no I don't want scary stuff that's not real for the movie we want things that are plausible real scary and i was like saying to myself reptilian monster?? that's so unreal and now how could that be real. I said make it real and i couldn't think how it could be and couldn't I was felt darn its so stupid and woke up.
Then just now months later i remembered watching this amazing strange stuff from David Icke and Jordan Maxwell a couple days ago about the reptilians that came from another place. When I remembered my dream just now I was like wow. And I thought cool i was dreaming of something that was totally plausible. and started to wonder if the Tricky man was two.

What do you guys think , comments questions :) I don't know if this helps but when i was little I had dreams that lasted only seconds that would predict a future event that would happen months later exactly how it would happen. I would see how it would happen from my view point as if i was experiencing it for the first time. Then it would happen exactly the way I had seen it in the dream in every detail.

[ktlight]

"Well anyone with enough money, can make these guys do THEIR bidding, they have the same powers in certain areas as the police, but they dont have to do silly things like take a oath, how convenient, so one of these private Goons can do what they want, if you resist ( ask questions or defend yourself) YOU will be thrown in jail, who are they answerable to? The met police is corrupt enough without these cowboys, truly the thin end of the wedge, interesting future for us, oyeah it has not been on the news, so sneak in the iron fist to the sleeping public, i am amazed,"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq83j6-e3_g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq83j6-e3_g&feature=player_embedded

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Muzz a nice little 'Ickie' and others recap on the reptilion agenda....... cheers Steve

[Tony]

I wonder if their uniforms and body armour will gradually change, plus face masks so we will not recognise that they come from outside the UK.

[mesta0ptik]

The usual type of host which doesn't allow a question to be answered.

[Calz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXk-yRemiZ0&feature=player_embedded

[The One]

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[ktlight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEih2xD5kDU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEih2xD5kDU&feature=player_embedded

[ktlight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CvXGTTSOBg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CvXGTTSOBg&feature=player_embedded

[ktlight]

Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr3yGhgqJZQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr3yGhgqJZQ&feature=player_embedded

Part 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKrIang_TIo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKrIang_TIo&feature=player_embedded

[ktlight]

"David Icke talking about the chances of a coming world war and explains these possiblities with facts and stories."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao3cZ3SvcNk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao3cZ3SvcNk&feature=player_embedded

[ktlight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXoflTJ6NhA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXoflTJ6NhA&feature=player_embedded

[ktlight]

"An absolutely must-watch.

The fascist police state is coming?? It's here. The more people try to threaten and intimidate me, the more determined and immovable that I become. Stick that in your 'bundle', Perry Mason."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PKd01B6nZ0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PKd01B6nZ0&feature=player_embedded

[pyriel]

There will be a time that the playing field will be equal cause at the moment the cops, etc have the weapons, etc. Sadly I see a time when the citizens will invoke the 2nd admendment and start carrying arms.

Hopefully something like this doesnt happen and hopefully something extremely good happens that will prevent it and also remove alot for the cops, etc

[Lord Sidious]

You know what gets me?
There are a STACK more of us than them, yet people stand around and watch the cops bash their loved ones when there is no need for it?

[Snoweagle]

Stack more of us eh:-)
Well, the equation balances in their favour when you consider they have water, food, energy and weapons with the authority over each.
Of course, not forgetting they also "own" all political representatives as well. Naturally with the "tied" slaves of hidden government employees hiding in their cubicles, hoping not to be noticed, desperately clutching their commitment to oaths of secrecy as if providing a cloak of "invulnerability". All wrapped in packages of secret contracts; every day is Christmas:-)
Prisons are filling; globally. Trumped up laws and charges. And the security forces pick their targets off the streets one by one. Most survive, some don't.
Anyways, there are still more of us than them at the moment. Maybe somebody will design an equivalent countdown clock as exists in New York monitoring US debt but with the count down of dissenters to oppression clocking down until we attain an equilibrium between us and them.
Yes there are stacks more of us and them today.

[Lord Sidious]

During the ''uprising'' in 89 in Romania, the army was on the side of the communists.
The catalyst for the end of the system there was the army was order to, and did, kill a stack of people in Bucharest.
The next day, they swapped sides and the scum standing on the throats of the people were swept away like leaves in an autumn breeze.
Beautiful.
Death to the tyrants.

[Snoweagle]

Indeed that is the perception of events in Romania. Though the actual catalyst was prompted by the Elite, organising a corporate Black Op assault; by influencing "change" sympathisers in the Romanian military to rebel and take down the Ceacescu's, throw together the rapid kangaroo court with the not unexpected execution. Much to the praise of the watching world. Were we not pleased?
So, in what year did Romania accept the Elite to manage their central Bank?
This event has the same hallmark as the demise of the Tsar of Russia and his family, the Romanovs. Not much different to daily events these days. Hussein, Molosevich, Gadaffi to name a few, merely obstacles to global control.

[Lord Sidious]

Indeed that is the perception of events in Romania. Though the actual catalyst was prompted by the Elite, organising a corporate Black Op assault; by influencing "change" sympathisers in the Romanian military to rebel and take down the Ceacescu's, throw together the rapid kangaroo court with the not unexpected execution. Much to the praise of the watching world. Were we not pleased?
So, in what year did Romania accept the Elite to manage their central Bank?
This event has the same hallmark as the demise of the Tsar of Russia and his family, the Romanovs. Not much different to daily events these days. Hussein, Molosevich, Gadaffi to name a few, merely obstacles to global control.

Of course.
What you say is true.
I was more trying to show a parallel about our numbers, more than anything else.

[ktlight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol0p0rU-M_o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol0p0rU-M_o&feature=player_embedded

[ktlight]

'You were born an original, don't die a copy'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzRhOB5pKCk&feature=player_embedded

[Realeyes]

Thank you Ktlight for posting this wonderfully put together video - I have tears of compasion in my eyes after watching this. I have followed David's work since he was laughed at on the Wogan show. David has true grit and courage and so pleased that people are now paying attention to his work. I attended his London event - it was brilliant! :thumb:

[Davidallany]

It's unbelievably real, isn't it!

[Billy]

Thank you Ktlight for posting this wonderfully put together video - I have tears of compasion in my eyes after watching this. I have followed David's work since he was laughed at on the Wogan show. David has true grid and courage and so pleased that people are now paying attention to his work. I attended his London event - it was brilliant! :thumb:

Did you ever see the David and Terry Wogan reunion a couple of years ago. 20 odd years later Terry Wogan apologized. :p

[New Dawn]

Thank you Ktlight for posting this wonderfully put together video - I have tears of compasion in my eyes after watching this. I have followed David's work since he was laughed at on the Wogan show. David has true grid and courage and so pleased that people are now paying attention to his work. I attended his London event - it was brilliant! :thumb:

Did you ever see the David and Terry Wogan reunion a couple of years ago. 20 odd years later Terry Wogan apologized. :p

but then he tried to get the people to laugh at him again, and David turned it around so fast that it didn't work. Round two goes to David! Wogan is a nasty stupid little man. Great video, and so true. Thanks for sharing.

[KosmicKat]

"Everything is backwards!", when did you first realize you were living in Erewhon?

[ktlight]

Rioting is what they want.Problem reaction solution.
Peaceful mass lawful rebellion and mass non compliance is what they DONT want.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKRPM8VsrNs&feature=player_embedded

[ktlight]

David Icke speaking in 2008,about what`s happening today.
They are manipulating us into accepting marshall law on the streets,so that they can then completly crash the economy and take us into world war three.
DON`T RIOT THAT`S WHAT THEY WANT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1r4ul2W3ZY&feature=player_embedded

[etheric underground]

Its the old dont fight fire with fire scenario.
By retaliation we feed the fear and lower energy regimes.

[ktlight]

Its the old dont fight fire with fire scenario.
By retaliation we feed the fear and lower energy regimes.

It is also PLEASE DO NOT RIOT. MAKE ANY PROTEST SILENT AND PEACEFUL.

[toothpick]

I think David nailed this one right on the head, and that was in 2008.
It makes you wonder, what else is this man right about.

toothpick

[ktlight]

"excellent will not let me post onto fb though, me getting censored lmao. who cares, truebook.org will take fbs place."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPjGVnvV2xc&feature=player_embedded

[ktlight]

FeelGood30 says: ""Human race get off your knees" was one of the best books I have ever read. Icke is right, the trail of evidence eventually leads one to the nature of the Moon-specifically if it's actually what we really think it is. Icke is fearless-a real investigator. As Socrates once said, "go wherever the evidence leads you". Indeed!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm4LaHuDGBc&feature=player_embedded

[Tane Mahuta]

A great person.....can't wait to see him when he comes to town.

TM

[ktlight]

David Icke say: " 2012 Is A Hoax. It`s all Mind Games!! The Heart is the key and love is the answer!!"

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[ktlight]

Bankers are sociopaths and parasites who`ve probably never done a proper days work in their life.
An excerpt from David Icke's Turning of the Tide 1996

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[ktlight]

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[ktlight]

On August 13th 2011, Gareth Icke swam the solent for Lewis Mighty. See www.gandtippers.com/swim for full details of the swim and the charity. In short, the stretch of water G swam is one of Britains busiest shipping channels with some serious tides and currents. He swam over 5/5 times the distance required due to fighting the tide in a time of 1:21... No mean feat. This was to raise money for Lewis Mighty, a young chap with a form of cancer that only attacks children.

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DAVID ICKE SAID:
Gareth Icke was not a good swimmer, but he decided that he would swim across the Solent between the Isle of Wight and England to raise money for Lewis Mighty, a little boy who badly needs treatment that is only available at great financial cost. Gareth has amazingly overcome challenges with his own body since he was a child. He was told that he would never play sport, yet became the England beach soccer goalkeeper, plays football every week and now has swum across one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world with all its fierce and dangerous tides and currents. He has already walked across the Isle of Wight from tip to tip to raise money for Lewis, and my daughter, Kerry, is in training to ride some 60 miles around the Island to do the same.

Gareth worked incredibly hard to prepare for the swim, working up to 90 lengths of the swimming pool wearing clothes that caused drag, and he took to the water on a day of extremely strong currents and high winds that made it very difficult for him to get across and forced him to swim many times the straight-line distance. He was simply incredible. We are all so proud of you, mate.

[Maia Gabrial]

He looks like his dad. Impressive young man....

[truth4me]

I like David Icke and I believe pretty much everything he speaks about including the Reptilians . Some people think he's a shill which is their right but I can't see it.

[ktlight]

Sickened by Louis Theroux's sensational interview with Icke, the Queen responds angrily & the BBC grovels (probably in 2007).

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[Maia Gabrial]

Was this a serious apology by the BBC? It sounded like a joke.

[ulli]

Very Pythonish!
Notice how they avoided using any actual photographs of Her Majesty?

[Foggy]

ktlight:

Kindly stop posting irrelevant material with sensational headlines designed to confuse/disrupt the vital function of the board.

I have noticed you "slam" topics with a link, then consistently fail to follow guidelines established. Please review suggested management posting guidelines. Something is wrong when valuable topics are posted by members with thoughtful input causing these members posts to immediately get ratcheted off the front page from an influx of garbage.

If other members follow what you have been doing, unintentionally, and are offended by my recognition of these "grabber" type headlines without further details, I am sure the management will speak up and take a position.

Have a lovely weekend.

[ulli]

Ktlight, be not intimidated,
keep on slamming and grabbing
even if we don't have the foggiest
what it's all about.

[Foggy]

ulli:

I am not attempting to intimidate anyone. I am merely stating a fact. This post should have supplied information to the extent that it was a "spoof". There is a publication called "The Onion" everyone familiar with it enjoys the laugh and is not taken seriously.

A personal comment before or after the link would have been appropriate.

If management disagrees with me, they can change the rules. In the meantime, I would suggest we either follow their established guidelines....OR... Those who continue inappropriate postings are personally responsible for the degradation of Project Avalon to a "play-pen" in order to satisfy personal recognition, rather than contribute to the valuable purpose Project Avalon was established.

Enjoy yourself and be happy.

[ThePythonicCow]

I am merely stating a fact.
I read that sentence to claim that you stated a fact, that you only stated a fact, and that you did nothing other than state a fact.

But I read some other parts of your original post, and your response to Ulli, as making some fairly broad complaints against another member.

Then I read your closing remark "Enjoy yourself and be happy. " and sense a bit of sarcasm in it.

I could rush to my guidelines (link conveniently provided below) and likely find something relevant.

But when I see a disconnect between what one claims to be doing, and what one appears to be doing, I end up at a bit of a loss. Such a disconnect makes it difficult to discern what, if anything, would address your concerns (and consequently whether such would be a good idea.)

[Carmody]

I still like it.

It felt like Python, right on the first word.

Love it.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I am also sickened by halfway spoken, half hidden, ie... sarcasm.

Nor do I tolerate people who live life by that rule. I banish them from my group of people I either work or communicate with, as their half hidden behaviors are endemic of a large part of the root of all problems in this world.

ie an inability to be clear or even handed.

Point being a large part of the problems in this forum have come from such behaviors.

Sarcasm is the lie of acting, pretending to be good..while still stabbing.

Sarcasm can take a complete and total walk, thank you very much.

[ThePythonicCow]

This post should have supplied information to the extent that it was a "spoof".
If that is your only concern, then you should have just stated that, without the other dross, perhaps in a PM to the original poster and/or perhaps by Reporting (click the Report Triangle http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/buttons/report-40b.png below any post) the post to the moderators, with your request.

[Foggy]

Paul: Does the following no longer apply?


6. POSTING EXTERNAL MATERIAL

When sharing outside material with the forum, please do it in the form of links with summary paragraphs. Posting long passages (i.e. more than a few short paragraphs) of outside text, regardless of relevance, is prohibited.

The summary of the content of the link should be a paragraph of your own words and / or with a single-paragraph excerpt from the text itself.

“Naked” links, i.e. links without summary text, should be avoided, as most members do not have the time to blindly research such links.

[ThePythonicCow]

Paul: Does the following no longer apply?
I still have this hunch that if we shared a couple of beers, I'd get a rather different view of what your real concern is.

[ulli]

I would rather open a video and be surprised by a spoof,
than open one and be shocked by violence.

I'm sure ktlight knows the difference...
her record here as providing good solid information is pretty consistent
and once in a while for the sake of lightness oops to slam us oops with
some grabbing comedy oops oops...is perfectly ok in my view.

[Ivanhoe]

No harm , no foul.
Keep posting yer stuff kt.

[ThePythonicCow]

6. POSTING EXTERNAL MATERIAL

On close reading of Rules B.6.1-.3, by the legalistic section of my brain, I find no such violations in this thread.

However I did notice possible violations of Rules C.1.1 and C.1.4. -- by yourself.

Lets show each other some respect, and if you have a specific concern with a specific post, it is often better to discuss it privately with the poster, or to Report it. Try to stay focused in such complaints; leave out the innuendo, sarcasm, broadsides, ...

:focus:

Thank-you.

[pickle]

Meh, pomposity on steroids...

Keep post ing KT - your posts remind me of my ideas... you post one iffy one in every fifty, I have one good idea in every fifty ;)


EDIT: Back on thread... That's Queen Mirren, and I've always had a crush on her. I feel weird... fancying royalty 'n all :man_in_love:

[phillipbbg]

The voice over gave it away ...... not to sure if it was good taste or not from that point of view.....am sure our guests enjoyed it.

Moving on...............

[<8>]

Funny...:)


Is there anything (real) they made this joke from, that we know??

It just dont feel far from the truth, thats all i say..

[Darla Ken Pearce]

Klight has quite a following for her sensational information. Many find it useful. She means well and is contributing what she feels is valid. Not all of us agree. Many people don't like the updates I post in the Spirituality Forum on Avalon ~ they are there for those who find resonance. If you don't like them ~ it's fine ~ hang out somewhere else.

Like Foggy, I do not like to see so many negative posts on Avalon but it's a choice. If people keep saying, "Thanks," it's a sign that many are following and it is a personal choice whether we read them or not. Too many are addicted to this part of life and again, it's a choice. Those who tire of it will go elsewhere and it's the way of life open to each of us.

No harm, no foul. Avalon offers a lot of different things for different appetites. Foggy has a valid point here but not many others complain, so the "thanks" seem to have it. Everyone is over 21 years old. ; )

We can influence others but not change them. And so it is...

Please do not be so quick to judge others who dare to voice their opinion. It is not necessary for us to all agree and indeed, that's not even possible. If ever there was an unreal expectation, this is it! We must be civil and kind as a community just because it's the right thing to do voluntarily. A PM might have worked better in this instance or not. Who can say?

Never mind the rules, there are higher ones in play here right now. The way Foggy was attacked for expressing an opinion was surprising to me and a little thought provoking. He or she also means well and has a point to contribute. Maybe we need to take a three second pause before responding to things we find annoying ~ it'd be a nice change on Avalon. Just a tiny bit of inner reflection.

Those of us who are tired of negativity are not in real conflict with those who bask in it. We just differ in opinion. These are choices we make within every moment of our lives and either high or low vibrations are attracted to us. And we often are attracted to headlines that suit our "state of being" at any moment in time or out of it. Let each one choose. If you are continually attracted to the dark side, you may want to reassess your tastes in reading material. The dark can't leave unless we allow it. Negatives and fear ~ fuel the dark side and keep it alive and well. If only we could realize this fully.

BTW, I heard that London is burning but it may be just a rumor. I don't live there and so don't know whether it's true or not. The Queen is probably more concerned with Buckingham Palace burning down right now than she is with David Icke in an interview ~ a year or so ago.

These are the sort of events we bring upon ourselves dwelling in either negatives or positive aspects of our lives. What we put out there is returned ten or a hundred fold. If that doesn't give one pause for reflection, nothing ever will. I hope the Queen is listening in right now. MI6 and all. Anyone else smell smoke? Much love! xoxoxox

[Foggy]

Paul:

To put things in context,
1. My comments were not a complaint; they were an observation. An observation of an inordinate number of posted links without summary text has been on the increase. I have no complaint against the original poster of this thread. I merely made a request because....

2. The subsequent post would not be necessary.
Was this a serious apology by the BBC? It sounded like a joke.

3. Another observation was made due to the difficulty locating posts that are no longer on the front page


Something is wrong when valuable topics are posted by members with thoughtful input causing these members posts to immediately get ratcheted off the front page because an influx of useless garbage was heaped on the board. This type of information is available at other sites. Posting it on Project Avalon diminishes the quality of this community. Again, this was my observation:


If other members follow what you have been doing, unintentionally, and are offended by my recognition of these "grabber" type headlines without further details, I am sure the management will speak up and take a position.

4. There were 4 members of this board that made posts revealing information who the real enemy is with ample data/links.
It was not theory or conspiracy. It was substantiated facts with a lot of reading. There were no comments to the posts due to the aforementioned with the exception of one post. I recall DNA was one of the posters. These 4 posters connected the dots and I believe they are not aware how valuable their individual information was unless they read the other member's material.

5. Because many of us are programed to seek what is new, (cell phones, computers, cars, travel, news, etc.) the latest excitement; we fail to connect with history. This results in confusion promoting the inability to recognize patterns. The controllers know this, therefore, the barrage of garbage and useless information does not stop.

6. I am of the opinion from observation as a "lurker" then member, the quantity of information is intentionally dispersed to drown out the quality.

7. Case in point...there is a recent post concerning a members experience exposed to the same technology that resulted in the female Astronaut to drive non-stop Texas to Florida wearing a diaper. I am sure this member has not made the connection to the Astronaut's delimina (especially what she went through previously to her trip) with the ongoing confusion he reported and detailed his experience in the last several months.

8. In the final analysis, it is your Board. I recognize there are members with short attention spans who thrive on gossip and fuzz, therefore, do as you choose.

9. Perhaps Bill's absence had an effect on the quality of the Board as some have implied? Only he would know from his personal evaluation of all the threads and posted comments in his absence.