David Icke 2011

[ThePythonicCow]

The way Foggy was attacked for expressing an opinion was surprising to me and a little thought provoking.
I honestly believe, Darla, that it was the manner in which the opinion was expressed, not the particular opinion.

It is a reasonable topic to discuss whether we want the sensational, or the spiritual, or any other topic, discussed frequently in this forum. But such discussions benefit from a bit more than the usual amount of clarity, accuracy and respect.

P.S. - The above reply to Darla was written before reading the intervening response by Foggy. It will take me a bit to consider a response to Foggy's latest post above; I have other tasks to tend to for a moment.

[Lord Sidious]

I am not going to get bogged down with nuggetry, but let me say this, KT brings more to the board than a lot of others.
She is good people in my book.
And being a Sith Lord, that makes it official. :p

[Lord Sidious]

By their fruit, so shall ye know them.

[TWINCANS]

4. There were 4 members of this board that made posts revealing information who the real enemy is with ample data/links.
It was not theory or conspiracy. It was substantiated facts with a lot of reading. There were no comments to the posts due to the aforementioned with the exception of one post. I recall DNA was one of the posters. These 4 posters connected the dots and I believe they are not aware how valuable their individual information was unless they read the other member's material.

7. Case in point...there is a recent post concerning a members experience exposed to the same technology that resulted in the female Astronaut to drive non-stop Texas to Florida wearing a diaper. I am sure this member has not made the connection to the Astronaut's delimina (especially what she went through previously to her trip) with the ongoing confusion he reported and detailed his experience in the last several months.


Thank you for pointing me in their general direction. You're right - they're profound and worthy of discussion.

One way to help those along is to 'Bump' them with a comment (or a few) of your own. Keeps them top of the pile. Then we dense ones on AF get it. Just a suggestion.

[Flash]

Ktlight, be not intimidated,
keep on slamming and grabbing
even if we don't have the foggiest
what it's all about.

I truly disagree with you and I am in agreement with Foggy. No later than this morning, I pointed to Ktlight, at another of his thread, that I would appreciate a bit more information when he post a video, as well as some background stories, so that I do not have to do all the research myself to see if what is posted is pertinent or garbage (I was just a bit softer in my words, but it was what I meant).

I do prefer less posting with more substance - gossips forums or the alike should be elsewhere imho. Garbage posts as welll. This actual tread should have been a post in the jokes thread. The headline does not represent at all the fact that the video is a joke, not even from the BBC. Unless Ktlight is absolutely unable of intelligent discernment, which I doubt.

[Flash]

I am not going to get bogged down with nuggetry, but let me say this, KT brings more to the board than a lot of others.
She is good people in my book.
And being a Sith Lord, that makes it official. :p

There is a difference LS between good people and piling up threads. I do agree that sometimes she (I thought she was a he at first, sorry) sometimes have good thread. But lately, I stumbled on a few that were just sensationalism if basing myself on the thread titles. Placed with the right threads, and being posts, not threads, it would have been funny or justified. Just a little more thinking is required (or less falling back on acquired number of posts and soi-disant reputation).

Those of us who have little time for forums because of working constraints get very disappointed when we are misled, with or without intention.

[astrid]

Great story. Inspirational stuff!!

Looks like he has is fathers passion and drive.
He's also quite a talented musician.....

MrvfPIe8whs

[Lifebringer]

I agree and shall refrain from falling for the negativity and "disturbances. I'm aware that others take time to transition, but I also have a choice on with whom I work with to experience what God has in store for us via his promise. This is or was a very serious sight to express your questions that most can't say to family or friends who are not "spiritually mature as of yet. Each on in their own time, but please try and take people who post here for information serious.

Thank you.

[Lord Sidious]

I am not going to get bogged down with nuggetry, but let me say this, KT brings more to the board than a lot of others.
She is good people in my book.
And being a Sith Lord, that makes it official. :p

There is a difference LS between good people and piling up threads. I do agree that sometimes she (I thought she was a he at first, sorry) sometimes have good thread. But lately, I stumbled on a few that were just sensationalism if basing myself on the thread titles. Placed with the right threads, and being posts, not threads, it would have been funny or justified. Just a little more thinking is required (or less falling back on acquired number of posts and soi-disant reputation).

Those of us who have little time for forums because of work constraints get very disappointed when we are misled, with or without intention.

I am not sure how much forum experience KT has, but I have a heap.
I have been on forums since about 2005, so I know my way around and how to do things.
I think that KT is posting things for us to consider, much like some of mine, but I also post my opinion as well.
Some of my posts are lemons, that is a mathmatical definite, I have to have posts that aren't so great.
So do we all.

[ulli]

Ktlight, be not intimidated,
keep on slamming and grabbing
even if we don't have the foggiest
what it's all about.

I truly disagree with you and I am in agreement with Foggy. No later than this morning, I pointed to Ktlight, at another of his thread, that I would appreciate a bit more information when he post a video, as well as some background stories, so that I do not have to do all the research myself to see if what is posted is pertinent or garbage (I was just a bit softer in my words, but it was what I meant).

I do prefer less posting with more substance - gossips forums or the alike should be elsewhere imho. Garbage posts as welll. This present tread should have been a post in the jokes thread. The headline does not represent at all the fact that the video is a joke, not even from the BBC. Unless Ktlight is absolutely unable of intelligent discernment, which I doubt.

So she (ktlight is a she) slipped up...it happens.
Tomorrow when she wakes up she will say sorry. Or not. Whatever.
I didn't take umbrage with her post as it happens to be my kind of humour- very subtle.

Actually, when I wrote that post above I still thought Foggy was joking,
carrying the BBC humour torch further along.
Something about the way his/her post was worded.
It would have worked in the context of the humour of the video.
Only later did I realize that he/she was serious.
But not everyone is on the same wavelength
and certainly not at the same time.

Paul's suggestion to click on the triangle when one sees inappropriate postings seems the best way to go.

[Flash]

I am not going to get bogged down with nuggetry, but let me say this, KT brings more to the board than a lot of others.
She is good people in my book.
And being a Sith Lord, that makes it official. :p

There is a difference LS between good people and piling up threads. I do agree that sometimes she (I thought she was a he at first, sorry) sometimes have good thread. But lately, I stumbled on a few that were just sensationalism if basing myself on the thread titles. Placed with the right threads, and being posts, not threads, it would have been funny or justified. Just a little more thinking is required (or less falling back on acquired number of posts and soi-disant reputation).

Those of us who have little time for forums because of work constraints get very disappointed when we are misled, with or without intention.

I am not sure how much forum experience KT has, but I have a heap.
I have been on forums since about 2005, so I know my way around and how to do things.
I think that KT is posting things for us to consider, much like some of mine, but I also post my opinion as well.
Some of my posts are lemons, that is a mathmatical definite, I have to have posts that aren't so great.
So do we all.

Does that mean that both our requests, Foggy and mine, will not even be considered? Paul, Carmody, Ivanohe and Pickle were going Ktlight way and pushing away Foggy comments while I do think they are justified, without blasting anybody's intent of course.

Will Ktlight please take them into consideration.

Thanks

Oh, the only reason I do not participate as much as some other LS is because of full time mom and full time (and more like 60hrs/week) work. It does not mean these comments should be discarded - take 5 of me (to equal work retired posters), multiply it by 500 and it is still a good membership worth having.

[Lord Sidious]

I am not going to get bogged down with nuggetry, but let me say this, KT brings more to the board than a lot of others.
She is good people in my book.
And being a Sith Lord, that makes it official. :p

There is a difference LS between good people and piling up threads. I do agree that sometimes she (I thought she was a he at first, sorry) sometimes have good thread. But lately, I stumbled on a few that were just sensationalism if basing myself on the thread titles. Placed with the right threads, and being posts, not threads, it would have been funny or justified. Just a little more thinking is required (or less falling back on acquired number of posts and soi-disant reputation).

Those of us who have little time for forums because of work constraints get very disappointed when we are misled, with or without intention.

I am not sure how much forum experience KT has, but I have a heap.
I have been on forums since about 2005, so I know my way around and how to do things.
I think that KT is posting things for us to consider, much like some of mine, but I also post my opinion as well.
Some of my posts are lemons, that is a mathmatical definite, I have to have posts that aren't so great.
So do we all.

Does that mean that both our requests, Foggy and mine, will not even be considered? Paul, Carmody, Ivanohe and Pickle were going Ktlight way and pushing away Foggy comments while I do think they are justified, without blasting anybody's intent of course.

Will Ktlight please take them into consideration.

Thanks

Oh, the only reason I do not participate as much as some other LS is because of full time mom and full time (and more like 60hrs/week) work. It does not mean these comments should be discarded - take 5 of me (to equal work retired posters), multiply it by 500 and it is still a good membership worth having.

Flash, ya nugget.
I never disregard someone because they don't post much.
Your opinion is just as important as the next one.
Not as important as mine, because I have a light sabre, :p but still important.
And I am not saying anyone should disregard what you or foggy said, just that what you think and what KT's motives are could be very different.
Numbers of posts on the forum is not the measure of any of us.
I have more time and stamina than most, hence my post count.

[Flash]

Not as important as mine, because I have a light sabre, :p but still important.


If I had not read your numerous posts before, to know your style, and looking at your sabre, I would have thought you turned on us, using power with a saber of light turned red allowing you to be the first. LOL

My thinking is truly going where it should not, in terms of saber. Oh! not enough free time to enjoy I suppose. :twitch:

[EC1000]

Hopefully without hurting anyone's feelings, I agree that there should be some sort of commentary or written description from the original poster when links or vids are posted so the readers of the threads can make a more informed decision about whether or not there are going to take the time to view or read something that someone has shared. As for jokes and spoofs, while I have a great sense of humor, they are not reasons why I joined Avalon-but that's just me.

[TWINCANS]

Excuse me if this is a closed argument but some of us have given productive suggestions as to how to encourage discussion and deeper involvement in posted topics, wihout discouraging those who post topics. I don't see that being batted back and forth.

[GlassSteagallfan]

I am guilty.

Sometimes I post a title and a video - sometimes with a grabber title.

Will do better from now on!

Thanks!

PS - Did get a laugh from the original post

[DNA]

ktlight:

Kindly stop posting irrelevant material with sensational headlines designed to confuse/disrupt the vital function of the board.

I have noticed you "slam" topics with a link, then consistently fail to follow guidelines established. Please review suggested management posting guidelines. Something is wrong when valuable topics are posted by members with thoughtful input causing these members posts to immediately get ratcheted off the front page from an influx of garbage.

If other members follow what you have been doing, unintentionally, and are offended by my recognition of these "grabber" type headlines without further details, I am sure the management will speak up and take a position.

Have a lovely weekend.

God I agree 100% with this statement but figuired I was the only one.
The only time I post a thread consisting of someone else's work,,,,,I include what could be called a "case report" before the youtube video/interview. Showing that I have indeed reviewed the material and I can give you a better idea of what your gettin into as such you can make a more informed decision in amounts to what you want to spend your time on.

I thought the emphasis at Avalon was on quality over quantity, and indeed, many worthy posts by indivdiuals who are giving a personal take on things (and putting some work in) get a unworthy brush off the first page or two of "todays posts" because of all the crap some folks flood the forum with.

[DNA]

I am merely stating a fact.
I read that sentence to claim that you stated a fact, that you only stated a fact, and that you did nothing other than state a fact.

But I read some other parts of your original post, and your response to Ulli, as making some fairly broad complaints against another member.

Then I read your closing remark "Enjoy yourself and be happy. " and sense a bit of sarcasm in it.

I could rush to my guidelines (link conveniently provided below) and likely find something relevant.

But when I see a disconnect between what one claims to be doing, and what one appears to be doing, I end up at a bit of a loss. Such a disconnect makes it difficult to discern what, if anything, would address your concerns (and consequently whether such would be a good idea.)

I guess it's up to the reader to hear sarcasm until they invent punctuation that points it out.
I hear no sarcasm in Foggy's post what so ever, just an articulant person giving his take, and parting on solid terms.

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update

Wow Foggy
I have never seen some one communicate exactly what I was thinking and articulate themselves in such a manner that makes me envious and proud all at the same time.

Your post #19 on Avalon thread Queen attacks David Icke & BBC (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?28409-Queen-attacks-David-Icke-BBC)
Is brave, intelligent and so well articulated as to be some what genius.

Thank You for saying what is correct and helpfull to this forum regardless of the popularity of the post.

I also wish to thank Darla's post #18 for her excellent defense of Foggy and pointing out how silly some folks are here for attacking him.

[Referee]

Jolly Good Show Mate :p

[ViralSpiral]

Suggestion:

Couldnt Kt have her own thread like HelenOsborne's? Uprising of the people of the world (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21316-Uprising-of-the-people-of-the-world)

[ThePythonicCow]

Wow Foggy
Thanks, DNA. Your post has us (mods in the backroom) thinking.

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Excuse me if this is a closed argument but some of us have given productive suggestions as to how to encourage discussion and deeper involvement in posted topics, wihout discouraging those who post topics. I don't see that being batted back and forth.

Could you remind us of what you are referring to? That could be useful. Thanks.

[ThePythonicCow]

1. My comments were not a complaint; they were an observation.
As I noted above, I had read your earlier posts differently. Perhaps I misread ... good chance. Be that as it was. Thanks for returning to your concerns with this post.


3. Another observation was made due to the difficulty locating posts that are no longer on the front page


There might be ways we can adjust the forum software to help here. The last time I brainstormed this with Ilie a month or two ago, there did not seem to be anything that could be done with reasonable effort. I'd like to have the front page "latest posts" (or whatever it is called) reflect the areas of the forum that provide the most original value special to this site; but at the same time I'd like not to break the Search function (such as it is) so that it doesn't work on other parts of the forum that are not showcased. Unfortunately, the two seem to be tightly entwined.


Something is wrong when valuable topics are posted by members with thoughtful input causing these members posts to immediately get ratcheted off the front page because an influx of useless garbage was heaped on the board. This type of information is available at other sites. Posting it on Project Avalon diminishes the quality of this community.

That is a valid concern, which others have raised as well.


4. There were 4 members of this board that made posts revealing information who the real enemy is with ample data/links.
It was not theory or conspiracy. It was substantiated facts with a lot of reading. There were no comments to the posts due to the aforementioned with the exception of one post.

I am not convinced that lack of follow up comments to these posts (I'm curious - which posts do you have in mind?) were particularly or especially due to ktlight's postings in the Current Events sub-forum. That seems like an unfair generalization to me. A significant number of threads on this forum do get many responses. The dynamics of who happens to be online and what happens to spark their interest are more subtle than that.


5. Because many of us are programed to seek what is new, (cell phones, computers, cars, travel, news, etc.) the latest excitement; we fail to connect with history. This results in confusion promoting the inability to recognize patterns. The controllers know this, therefore, the barrage of garbage and useless information does not stop.

Yes, "they" will happily dumb us down with a junk food diet for our bodies and minds.

It is also our individual responsibility to select what we will eat, and what we will read or view.

I am rather reluctant to think that the forum admins/mods should aggressively engage in filtering content for its mental or spiritual nutritional value. That way lies a whole other set of problems.

But I am willing to agree that the forum admins/mods should continue to look for ways to make the "good stuff" readily available, and to assist those members who don't want to see certain kinds of threads from wasting time weeding past them.

This is somewhat the same thing that I expect from my email service. They should not decide for me what email to allow through to my inbox, but rather make it easy for me to choose what email I'd like to see, and what email I do not want to be bothered with.

Now ... as to how much of what I'd like to see can actually be realized in functioning web server software ... that's an open question. I will look again (meaning talk to Ilie, the expert in this area) and learn what I can. What is practically realizable will almost certainly be less than my well developed software imagination can envision.


9. Perhaps Bill's absence had an effect on the quality of the Board as some have implied? Only he would know from his personal evaluation of all the threads and posted comments in his absence.
Good new material, of the sort that Bill has provided better than just about anyone here, is certainly an important factor in the quality of threads on the forum.

[Corncrake]

Thanks ktlight - that was funny.

[Billy]

Points given and points taken, Learn the lessons and impliment what would improve Avalon.
I agree that some great threads are lost in the mists of avalon because they have been pushed back by meaningless threads. That is why i leave a comment on great threads because then they are easy to find in my profile. I like much of what Ktlight posts the rest i just ignore. some good suggestions from Foggy and others to consider.

EDIT: I like the suggestion of some members having their own thread or catagory. for example a "Pull the other one, it has bells on it" thread

In the meantime.
God save our gracious reptiles ;)

[DNA]

Hi Paul

I personally don't think filtering posts is what anyone had in mind.
I think it may be in the interest of the form to "suggest" people put a personal cap on how many threads they make in a day.
Is there any reason for a person to create 20 to 30 threads in a day?
If some one wants to contribute, then I would like to see them more IN the actual discussians taking place in the threads.

If your not interested in discussing something why make a thread about it?
Put some of that administrative energy into having conversations with people.

[ktlight]

I would like to point out that the day before the posting, someone complained that I did not post anything light. There is no pleasing, so I do not attempt to please. Everything I post makes sense to my mind, but I cannot think for anyone else. I am not a teacher in my awareness, I am learning like you ALL. Everybody has no right to bring each other down. What's going on with the thinking? Who is forcing anyone to even look at what I post?

[Lord Sidious]

Hi Paul

I personally don't think filtering posts is what anyone had in mind.
I think it may be in the interest of the form to "suggest" people put a personal cap on how many threads they make in a day.
Is there any reason for a person to create 20 to 30 threads in a day?
If some one wants to contribute, then I would like to see them more IN the actual discussians taking place in the threads.

If your not interested in discussing something why make a thread about it?
Put some of that administrative energy into having conversations with people.

Yeah, there is a reason for someone posting 20 threads a day, they call it helping.
Helping us in that we may not see that info without KT.
I know I see lots of stuff I wouldn't normally without her threads.
And why try to cramp her style?
She isn't hurting anyone.

[DNA]

I would like to point out that the day before the posting, someone complained that I did not post anything light. There is no pleasing, so I do not attempt to please. Everything I post makes sense to my mind, but I cannot think for anyone else. I am not a teacher in my awareness, I am learning like you ALL. Everybody has no right to bring each other down. What's going on with the thinking? Who is forcing anyone to even look at what I post?



Yeah, there is a reason for someone posting 20 threads a day, they call it helping.
Helping us in that we may not see that info without KT.
I know I see lots of stuff I wouldn't normally without her threads.
And why try to cramp her style?
She isn't hurting anyone.

Sometimes less is more.

[ktlight]

I would like to point out that the day before the posting, someone complained that I did not post anything light. There is no pleasing, so I do not attempt to please. Everything I post makes sense to my mind, but I cannot think for anyone else. I am not a teacher in my awareness, I am learning like you ALL. Everybody has no right to bring each other down. What's going on with the thinking? Who is forcing anyone to even look at what I post?



Yeah, there is a reason for someone posting 20 threads a day, they call it helping.
Helping us in that we may not see that info without KT.
I know I see lots of stuff I wouldn't normally without her threads.
And why try to cramp her style?
She isn't hurting anyone.

Sometimes less is more.

You are entitled to have an opinion but not to impose it.

[DNA]

You are entitled to have an opinion but not to impose it.

I agree, but when you post 20 - 30 posts a day, I feel you are imposing your will on this forum.

[ktlight]

You are entitled to have an opinion but not to impose it.

I agree, but when you post 20 - 30 posts a day, I feel you are imposing your will on this forum.

Thing is, DNA, I am not in your skin and, with respect, don't feel that.

[phillipbbg]

Without posts a forum dies, to be honest more the better no matter what the content..... just think how this thread has stimulated your emotions, mine included.... look at how it has occupied your thoughts and emotions generating a response that you felt compelled to show and exhibit to everyone reading this thread.... you have to admit it is far more entertaining than any TV program.

So has the forum not fulfilled its purpose, I wish my threads has the same affect.... Life is a stage and we all want our moments of fame...this is the purpose of ego.

[Billy]

Will power over others is something that is allowed, a lesson all of humanity would benefit from if learned.

[DNA]

Thing is, DNA, I am not in your skin and, with respect, don't feel that.

I personally enjoy some of the threads you start Ktlight.
But flooding the forum seems a little much. Maybe if you were to limit the things you posted to things you had actually watched or read it would be different.
But if you post five or six one hour youtube videos in a day how many of those can you have actually watched?

I'm only stating an observation, but if the title of this thread and it's video content are any indication, it would seem that you indeed, do not watch all of the videos you post.
Now where is the fun in recomending a video when you yourself can not say what the content is?

I'm not asking you to stop posting things. But instead, to maybe be a little more discerning, and post things that mean something to you.
And you say you are not a teacher, is that your way of saying you don't feel worthy of posting your personal opinions on threads?
Because you are a teacher.
This interaction right now is teaching me something, and it is because you are here, discussing this issue with me that I am learning.
We are all here on Avalon teachers for one another, and you should never feel like your personal input on a subject won't be valued.
I can personally assure you I would value it very much.
You should place more value on what your personal opinion is, and maybe a little less on posting the opinions of others is all I'm trying to say.

I apologise if I came off rude towards you earlier.
I carry the burdon of being a scorpio :).
And believe me, we scorpios sting ourselves with our own tails a thousand times for every one external person that gets stung. :)

[Lord Sidious]

You are entitled to have an opinion but not to impose it.

I agree, but when you post 20 - 30 posts a day, I feel you are imposing your will on this forum.

How is she hurting you?
I mean, come on, this is starting to sound like primary school.
If you don't like her threads, don't read em and let those of us who do like em read em in peace.

[ulli]

You are entitled to have an opinion but not to impose it.

I agree, but when you post 20 - 30 posts a day, I feel you are imposing your will on this forum.

My first thought here was that you were projecting, DNA, as I have found your posting style pretty strong at times.

But then on reflection I realized that the moment anyone of us takes up bandwidth we are all imposing our will...
No exception, no matter how shyly someone's opinion is expressed.

We are all different and to try and draw a line between who is imposing their will and who is not would be a futile excercise.

But by now ktlight has a pretty strong following and since the forum displays the statistics of the number of views each thread gets it might be in her interest to have a newsletter of her own, something like "ktlight- aternative media headlines". I would visit that thread on a regular basis and I'm sure guests who don't know who she is would also, just based on the statistics.
Basically this idea was expressed by ViralSpiral earlier and I think it could work.
I do know that the sheer number of threads here is causing quite a bit of consternation.
I have posted a lot on my astrology thread, and if each one of those posts was an independent thread it would soon make Avalon look like an astrology forum.

So if ktlight could have her own news headline thread, and then if discussions ensue people could bring the topic out to the forum by starting a new thread about it. That way we would reduce the number of threads that pass down the front page with zero views and zero replies.

[aranuk]

The majority of the videos posted here at Avalon forum are most certainly worth a watch in my opinion as most people here are of like mind as myself. I trust your judgements on the whole. In my view nothing worthwhile of interest on the internet seems to pass by certain members here at AF. Thanks to The One and ktlight to mention only two. I enjoy watching your videos. They would all escape my notice for sure. That one posted by DoubleHelix about the alien spacemen visiting the planet on the history channel has kept my attention for the 3rd day. I have watched all 4 episodes of par3 and watched all part 2 and going after I post this to part 1. Thanks for posting that DoubleHelix. Settle down folks and as we say in Scotland "keep the heid"

Stan

[TWINCANS]

Excuse me if this is a closed argument but some of us have given productive suggestions as to how to encourage discussion and deeper involvement in posted topics, wihout discouraging those who post topics. I don't see that being batted back and forth.

Could you remind us of what you are referring to? That could be useful. Thanks.

Posts #31 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?28409-Queen-attacks-David-Icke-BBC&p=288819&viewfull=1#post288819) and #32 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?28409-Queen-attacks-David-Icke-BBC&p=288845&viewfull=1#post288845) where an issue was acknowledged with the drowning out aspect of floods of posts, and I suggested the other forum users could become involved with worthy topics, thus bump them. Also the next poster made a suggestion to topline the info so forum users could be selective. My idea was to turn to solutions so everyone's needs are met, rather than a few beople batting around whether the poster's 'problem' was valid. This issue of noise has been brought up before.

[Mad Hatter]

Question... does the big fat 'bookmark thread' do anything or is it there for show???

[TWINCANS]

But by now ktlight has a pretty strong following and since the forum displays the statistics of the number of views each thread gets it might be in her interest to have a newsletter of her own, something like "ktlight- aternative media headlines". I would visit that thread on a regular basis and I'm sure guests who don't know who she is would also, just based on the statistics.
Basically this idea was expressed by ViralSpiral earlier and I think it could work.
I do know that the sheer number of threads here is causing quite a bit of consternation.
I have posted a lot on my astrology thread, and if each one of those posts was an independent thread it would soon make Avalon look like an astrology forum.

So if ktlight could have her own news headline thread, and then if discussions ensue people could bring the topic out to the forum by starting a new thread about it. That way we would reduce the number of threads that pass down the front page with zero views and zero replies.


I'll vote for that, ulli. ktlight brings avalonians todays altnewsnet.

[ThePythonicCow]

I'll vote for that, ulli. ktlight brings avalonians todays altnewsnet.

Long threads on one subject can make good sense.

A very long thread on a wide variety of subjects would be rather too cumbersome, in my view.

Most of the "alternate news" posts are now in their own sub-forum, Current Events (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?105-Current-Events), which Ilie and I recently created just for such posts.

[Carmody]

I would like to point out that the day before the posting, someone complained that I did not post anything light. There is no pleasing, so I do not attempt to please. Everything I post makes sense to my mind, but I cannot think for anyone else. I am not a teacher in my awareness, I am learning like you ALL. Everybody has no right to bring each other down. What's going on with the thinking? Who is forcing anyone to even look at what I post?

There is a thing called flood. Flooding forums. we even have a smiley for it, it is so well known. :flood:

Flooding forums covers up other posts and threads which might be considered. This is a tactic employed by those who wish to control the thought process and direction of a forum or topic on a forum.

This forum is under attack from such types in different ways.

The US military and even Israel have admitted to hiring large groups of people to do that, on the internet, for their perception of the protection of their interests.

Other groups do the same.

Your extremely high post count, your extremely high thread count, looks and feels like 'flood' to some of us. Possibly even to most of us. Who knows.

It is like shooting someone by accident. Whether it was meant or not, the given person is still dead.

What I mean, is, in effect, your posting style ends up being the flooding of a forum. Which should not be happening, or be allowed to happen.

Most of us (from the evidence) have graciously allowed this to continue, and it appears as if the moderating group of this forum has even tried to find a way for your posting style and this forum to co-exist. It's harder to get any better than that, as compromises go.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello,

I am not up to speed with the entire discussion but here is my "tech" recommendation. I think is rather simple and I use it daily.

So what I do is this (two clicks!):

1) Click on the forum big header. This will bring me to the main page http://projectavalon.net/forum4/index.php

2) Click the button: "What's New" (right next to Today's posts). This will bring up a paginated view with all the new posts ordered descending by date.

At this time I can quickly scan and open or ignore threads. I usually go as deep as the 7th page, and it takes me 10 minutes to do so.

I recommend that you should give it a try. I find it very efficient.

[Omni]

But by now ktlight has a pretty strong following and since the forum displays the statistics of the number of views each thread gets it might be in her interest to have a newsletter of her own, something like "ktlight- aternative media headlines". I would visit that thread on a regular basis and I'm sure guests who don't know who she is would also, just based on the statistics.
Basically this idea was expressed by ViralSpiral earlier and I think it could work.
I do know that the sheer number of threads here is causing quite a bit of consternation.
I have posted a lot on my astrology thread, and if each one of those posts was an independent thread it would soon make Avalon look like an astrology forum.

So if ktlight could have her own news headline thread, and then if discussions ensue people could bring the topic out to the forum by starting a new thread about it. That way we would reduce the number of threads that pass down the front page with zero views and zero replies.

I personally do not like 3,000 post threads where interesting stuff gets buried... Like on a forum I'm on. It has a single 9-11 thread, nobody is going to go through the whole thing.... If they made a 9-11 sub forum it would be much more productive...

Making one thread with all the headlines ktlight posts isn't a dumb suggestion IMO, but it's also not perfect IMHO. Most of the headlines would get buried and many wouldn't see them.

[ktlight]

I would like to point out that the day before the posting, someone complained that I did not post anything light. There is no pleasing, so I do not attempt to please. Everything I post makes sense to my mind, but I cannot think for anyone else. I am not a teacher in my awareness, I am learning like you ALL. Everybody has no right to bring each other down. What's going on with the thinking? Who is forcing anyone to even look at what I post?

There is a thing called flood. Flooding forums. we even have a smiley for it, it is so well known. :flood:

Flooding forums covers up other posts and threads which might be considered. This is a tactic employed by those who wish to control the thought process and direction of a forum or topic on a forum.

This forum is under attack from such types in different ways.

The US military and even Israel have admitted to hiring large groups of people to do that, on the internet, for their perception of the protection of their interests.

Other groups do the same.

Your extremely high post count, your extremely high thread count, looks and feels like 'flood' to some of us. Possibly even to most of us. Who knows.

It is like shooting someone by accident. Whether it was meant or not, the given person is still dead.

What I mean, is, in effect, your posting style ends up being the flooding of a forum. Which should not be happening, or be allowed to happen.

Most of us (from the evidence) have graciously allowed this to continue, and Paul has even tried to find a way for your posting style and this forum to co-exist. It's harder to get any better than that, as compromises go.

What do you mean 'from the evidence'. Am I on trial? You think you are being gracious?
You have posted 3008 times since August 2010. I have posted 3359 since 2nd March. That means I have posted only 357 more than you. So, 357 amounts to a flood by comparison? I personally have never heard of flooding forums. And I find it very strange that, having been under attack yourself for voluminous posting, you should involve in attacking others. It's like you joined the other side?????

DNA used PMs in an effort to control me a little while ago. In the end, he gave up.

So, 3 or 4 of PA members, who are linked to each other, seem to be ganging up to try to control someone else outside of their skin. In fact, dare I say that they are acting like the PTB.

Listen, no-one asks you to even consider anything that I post. You are behaving this way on your own volition. It is not for you to tell anyone what should be in the forum but the mods. I comply with their wishes, not to a fellow peer.

[TWINCANS]

Looks like support is there for ktlight's posts to be carved off in some way from the new posts list. But still flagged by date, and easy to see so nothing's missed. Maybe the mods and techies could come up with a few out-of-the-box-ways that could be done?

[Ilie Pandia]

Ah, and another thing.

The forum does have tools to deal with massive amount of information. Looking a the "first page" is not enough and will never work.

You can subscribe to forums and sub forums to get daily updates, you can do filtered searches, you can bookmark threads, you can subscribe to individual threads and so on.

Look around at the various buttons and functions you have available and you can also ask me any questions and I will do my best to answer. Other more "techy" members can also chip in with help on this

[beyondmyctrl]

"... degradation of Project Avalon to a "play-pen" in order to satisfy personal recognition, rather than contribute....."


God I wish I could hit the "thanks " button like a 1000 times for that one !!! But I guess I'll just have to say that that was the smartest thing I've seen posted here In a REALLY REALLY long time ........

[Dennis Jonathan]

It has been my experience that a thing is just a thing.

It is the importance we assign that thing that gives it power.

Regardless of intentions, our ability to empower or ignore distractions is paramount to their effectiveness.

Personally, I think the onion provides some much needed levity in a world that takes itself far too seriously.

Let's try not to fall into the same trap.

[TWINCANS]

You have posted 3008 times since August 2010. I have posted 3359 since 2nd March. That means I have posted only 357 more than you. So, 357 amounts to a flood by comparison? I personally have never heard of flooding forums. And I find it very strange that, having been under attack yourself for voluminous posting, you should involve in attacking others. It's like you joined the other side?????

DNA used PMs in an effort to control me a little while ago. In the end, he gave up.

So, 3 or 4 of PA members, who are linked to each other, seem to be ganging up to try to control someone else outside of their skin. In fact, dare I say that they are acting like the PTB.

Listen, no-one asks you to even consider anything that I post. You are behaving this way on your own volition. It is not for you to tell anyone what should be in the forum but the mods. I comply with their wishes, not to a fellow peer.

Must say kt, this kind of agressive language doesn't make you easy to support, which is not the way you came across before. But who am I? Not a mod, certainly and that's the only person in th world that you will listen to, apparently.
BTW the numbers do tell a bit of a different story than you were making out. Fact is that in 6 months, you have posted 357 more topics than Carmody has in 12 months. (by your numbers)

[Lord Sidious]

You have posted 3008 times since August 2010. I have posted 3359 since 2nd March. That means I have posted only 357 more than you. So, 357 amounts to a flood by comparison? I personally have never heard of flooding forums. And I find it very strange that, having been under attack yourself for voluminous posting, you should involve in attacking others. It's like you joined the other side?????

DNA used PMs in an effort to control me a little while ago. In the end, he gave up.

So, 3 or 4 of PA members, who are linked to each other, seem to be ganging up to try to control someone else outside of their skin. In fact, dare I say that they are acting like the PTB.

Listen, no-one asks you to even consider anything that I post. You are behaving this way on your own volition. It is not for you to tell anyone what should be in the forum but the mods. I comply with their wishes, not to a fellow peer.

Must say kt, this kind of agressive language doesn't make you easy to support, which is not the way you came across before. But who am I? Not a mod, certainly and that's the only person in th world that you will listen to, apparently.
BTW the numbers do tell a bit of a different story than you were making out. Fact is that in 6 months, you have posted 357 more topics than Carmody has in 12 months. (by your numbers)

KT seems to be under a verbal barrage from all sides and you are surprised that she reacted like that?
I mean, COME ON, this isn't how ''enlightened'' types behave, is it?
I had a snooze and came back and you nuggets are still at this rubbish?
I outposted everyone, maybe even a few of you combined, big deal.
Do what Ilie said if you want to know what has been posted on the forum, that is how I do it as well.
And if you don't like a thread, leave it alone.

[soulseeker]

Maybe the name of this thread should be changed to " who has the longest post"

Oops sorry that should have been " who has the most posts"

Chill people it's not how long it is , it's how you use it, hehehe

Peace

[Flash]

You are entitled to have an opinion but not to impose it.

I agree, but when you post 20 - 30 posts a day, I feel you are imposing your will on this forum.

How is she hurting you?
I mean, come on, this is starting to sound like primary school.
If you don't like her threads, don't read em and let those of us who do like em read em in peace.


By hurting our time in trying to shuffle through unnecessary stuff or not important one for conspiracy forums. I almost do not come here anylonger because of it, overflooding. It is not only hurting me, but also the forum with people not coming that could bring something as well.

The second point is that Ktlight does bring a lot of positive and interesting stuff. I often like her threads. If she was full of sh, the choice would be easy. I wish I could rely on her name to chose to read, but at the present time I never know which is the surprise around. At least one or two sentenced explaining the videos would help, is it asking too much?

You are right, we are not in primary school, so how come some of us have to ask for elementary writing skills for understanding basic context?

[Flash]

I would like to point out that the day before the posting, someone complained that I did not post anything light. There is no pleasing, so I do not attempt to please. Everything I post makes sense to my mind, but I cannot think for anyone else. I am not a teacher in my awareness, I am learning like you ALL. Everybody has no right to bring each other down. What's going on with the thinking? Who is forcing anyone to even look at what I post?

There is a thing called flood. Flooding forums. we even have a smiley for it, it is so well known. :flood:

Flooding forums covers up other posts and threads which might be considered. This is a tactic employed by those who wish to control the thought process and direction of a forum or topic on a forum.

This forum is under attack from such types in different ways.

The US military and even Israel have admitted to hiring large groups of people to do that, on the internet, for their perception of the protection of their interests.

Other groups do the same.

Your extremely high post count, your extremely high thread count, looks and feels like 'flood' to some of us. Possibly even to most of us. Who knows.

It is like shooting someone by accident. Whether it was meant or not, the given person is still dead.

What I mean, is, in effect, your posting style ends up being the flooding of a forum. Which should not be happening, or be allowed to happen.

Most of us (from the evidence) have graciously allowed this to continue, and Paul has even tried to find a way for your posting style and this forum to co-exist. It's harder to get any better than that, as compromises go.

What do you mean 'from the evidence'. Am I on trial? You think you are being gracious?
You have posted 3008 times since August 2010. I have posted 3359 since 2nd March. That means I have posted only 357 more than you. So, 357 amounts to a flood by comparison? I personally have never heard of flooding forums. And I find it very strange that, having been under attack yourself for voluminous posting, you should involve in attacking others. It's like you joined the other side?????

DNA used PMs in an effort to control me a little while ago. In the end, he gave up.

So, 3 or 4 of PA members, who are linked to each other, seem to be ganging up to try to control someone else outside of their skin. In fact, dare I say that they are acting like the PTB.

Listen, no-one asks you to even consider anything that I post. You are behaving this way on your own volition. It is not for you to tell anyone what should be in the forum but the mods. I comply with their wishes, not to a fellow peer.

Ktlight, you are missing the point entirely. WE LIKE LOTS OF YOUR POSTS - is it written big enough? BUT we do not like not to know about the topic or having false advertising in the title and having untoughtful postings. BUT WE LIKE LOTS OF IT , that is why we write to you - otherwise we would not take any consideration to you.

Now you are bean counting, and worst, accusing us of ganging up.

I know nobody here personnally, I do not PM nor chat with anybody for lack of time (this is in parts why I am concerned when lookig at some of your threadsJ) and this view is entirely mine, entirely mine. Is that clear enough. If we are many saying the same, maybe there is a point to it. Could it be?

We are just asking for caring - I wrote to you on another thread of yours and you do know what I refer to (cultural differences, language differences, not knowing the American/British politics, ect ect). We are just asking for a bit more caring.

EDITED: just read your answer in the other thread where I bring up the same topic and your are clearly without empathy as well as insulting my intelligence. This is it Klight. Enough for me.

This is what I am referring to in the Bank of America to Rick Perry thread


form Ktlight: Most of what I post seems self-explanatory to my mind.
And, even regarding those posts that you do not agree with, what would have to say if they had not been posted. Absolutely nothing. There would have been nothing for you to respond to. It is not for me to think for you (here, I mean ANYONE). As I have said previously, I take my posts from a source who knows more than I do, and which I absolutely trust. That's all I wish to say on the matter, except why do you not post your own stuff that would feel more appropriate to you

Continue to take your advices from a trusted source and to flood this forum. I won't read your threads, but I am so sorry for the poster who deserve a first page and cannot get it.

This answer was to my posts:


Bank of America to Rick Perry: 'We Will Help You Out'
Originally Posted by ktlight
video

[QUOTE]Originally Posted by Flash
Very interesting for US citizens and for the rest of the world to see how politics in US (and most countries) work.

So Bank of America, very obviously in this video, is saying loud enough to be understood by not even stopping by Rick Perry that they will help him out. Is this meaning giving money for its campaign, probably. To me it is the subrepticious way of doing it that is astonishing. It should not be known to the public, obviously.

Ktlight, it would be nice to indicate to us, foreign non American readers, who Rick Perry is. I had to do a google search to see what he was involved in, in order to understand if this short video is importanbt or not.
Being a Canadian, I understand, but if I were just a simple Frenchmen for example, I would not.

Rick Perry is the governor of Texas, the same state that had George W. Bush as governor. In fact Perry was working directly under Bush as his lt governor when Bush was governor.


By Ktlight
Rick Perry has been mentioned on PA a few times before this!


By Flash: Does Jean Charest tells you anyhthing Kt? No hey, well he is the equivalent to an american state governor, he is the prime minister of Quebec, a province that often holds the balance of the votes at the Canadian federal level. Yet, you know nothing about him.

Guess what, it is the same for the rest of the world, about US governors. Except for American and some British.

A light resume or at least a slight descritpion of the whys the video is important would have been helpful.

Sorry to be rude, but the planet is not only English speaking and American culture only. In fact, it is only a small part of the planet.

Have you noticed that threads from Chineses have just but about disappeared, American of the South (south American - just told US friends last week that Canadian are also American, they were almost insulted, I laughed telling then we live on the same continent), are almost inexistent. Yet lots of them do speak English.

Yes, I am frustrated by a lack of consideration for other nations, languages, cultures. This is an international forum or it is not. If it is not, I ought to know.

To me it is getting to be an English speaking forum/English-American cultures and politics almost exclusivelyy. I do not see our French friends on it anymore much either.

So please help in introducing topics and giving a brief resume of its importance. Often a few sentences suffice.

You are not the only one on Avalon I would complain about for this. In fact, it is now to almost half the posters.

[DNA]

What do you mean 'from the evidence'. Am I on trial? You think you are being gracious?
You have posted 3008 times since August 2010. I have posted 3359 since 2nd March. That means I have posted only 357 more than you. So, 357 amounts to a flood by comparison?

I don't think you can compare Carmody's "posts" with your "posts" Ktlight.
The post count that is under our avatar picture does not distinguish in regards to posting within a thread or creating one.

The discussion in regards to flooding a forum is in the creation of too many threads by a single member.




DNA used PMs in an effort to control me a little while ago. In the end, he gave up.


Well, this is the recomended course of action if you wish to inform someone of a point of disagreement. The only problem is I don't know what your talking about. Maybe your confusing me with some one else. I just went to my PM mail box and the only exchange I have with you is from May 30th.
And I was responding to a PM that you had sent to me.
It's niether here nor there, you sent me one PM and I returned to you one PM.
Again, maybe you are confusing me with some one else. I will post the PM exchange if it is okay with you. I don't know the guide lines here for posting PMs, but I'm pretty sure that if both parties agree to it then it should be fine.

On another note, I will admit I PM'd Ilie Pandia about your flooding the forums and complained to him in this regard about a week ago.



So, 3 or 4 of PA members, who are linked to each other, seem to be ganging up to try to control someone else outside of their skin. In fact, dare I say that they are acting like the PTB.

Listen, no-one asks you to even consider anything that I post. You are behaving this way on your own volition. It is not for you to tell anyone what should be in the forum but the mods. I comply with their wishes, not to a fellow peer.

What do you mean linked? There is no conspiracy out to get you Ktlight. I walked into a thread where Foggy was making a point that I didn't have the balls to make publicly. :)

Add to that he had gotten the attention of the Avalon administration in doing so and I was jumping out of my seat with excitement.

The only commonality here is that a few folks have been thinking about this for quite a while to themselves and now it is becoming a conversation in which some of these folks get to express themselves.

[DNA]

"... degradation of Project Avalon to a "play-pen" in order to satisfy personal recognition, rather than contribute....."


God I wish I could hit the "thanks " button like a 1000 times for that one !!! But I guess I'll just have to say that that was the smartest thing I've seen posted here In a REALLY REALLY long time ........

I agree 100% beyondmyctrl but let's give credit where credit is due for that post.


"... degradation of Project Avalon to a "play-pen" in order to satisfy personal recognition, rather than contribute....."

Ahhhhhhhh, that's better. :)

[DNA]

edited, no longer needed.
DNA

[humanalien]

Really people? Your busting Ktlight chops over a silly little
video post? Is this really the avalon forum? From the way
some of you are whining, i would think no.

I've seen many of you here post music videos in the middle
of a serious discussion thread and not once did anyone
complain about how the video poster didn't leave enough
information about the video before posting it.

Ktlight, imo, has done nothing wrong but foggy did. Foggy
hasn't been here long at all and here he/she is, trying to
throw his/her weight around light it is his/her job. I think
foggy needs to show some respect for others.

If i had my way, i'd close this topic. It got way out of hand
real fast and for no good reason.......

[ThePythonicCow]

If i had my way, i'd close this topic. It got way out of hand
real fast and for no good reason.......
Tempting, humanaliean, ... tempting.

There is an element of this discussion that is useful ... but it's getting buried a bit too much, for sure.

[Ellisa]

I haven't been here long and haven't posted much, but, to return to the original post, it seems to me that some of the problem is that this was posted under the Current Events and it is in fact an old comedy clip. Whilst it is mildly amusing it is neither current nor an event, merely actors 'making it up' or reading the script of some comedy program. It could have, with some disclosure as to its origin, been used to foster some interesting discussion. It is certainly a topic that would have been interesting properly handled, but too many annoyed people are now quite upset. But actually I'm not sure why it has charged along so quickly. Maybe there's a discussion waiting there!

[araucaria]

This debate is a part of a more general issue whereby any form of naivety in our posting methods somewhere along the line becomes indistinguishable from malicious posting – indeed it is the plausible deniability of the typical troll.

The philosopher Henri Bergson describes the comical as ‘something mechanical in something living’. This may be comical in certain circumstances (often a cruel form or comedy such as laughing at someone who slips on a banana skin, whether real or metaphorical), but in others there can be something very sinister going on. If a human starts behaving too much like a machine, then we have to wonder if we are not actually dealing with a machine or a machine-controlled entity.

I think what some posters are objecting to is here that they are seeing too much of the mechanical in ktlight’s posts and not enough of the living. Much of the seemingly useless humour, banter, thoughtfulness and maybe even poetry in our posts serve the crucial purpose of telling readers that we are very much human, going places where no machine can follow.

I am sure all of us can and should be making a little more effort in this direction. It is an ongoing concern, because not everyone will be familiar with your posting history.

[DNA]

This debate is a part of a more general issue whereby any form of naivety in our posting methods somewhere along the line becomes indistinguishable from malicious posting – indeed it is the plausible deniability of the typical troll.

The philosopher Henri Bergson describes the comical as ‘something mechanical in something living’. This may be comical in certain circumstances (often a cruel form or comedy such as laughing at someone who slips on a banana skin, whether real or metaphorical), but in others there can be something very sinister going on. If a human starts behaving too much like a machine, then we have to wonder if we are not actually dealing with a machine or a machine-controlled entity.

I think what some posters are objecting to is here that they are seeing too much of the mechanical in ktlight’s posts and not enough of the living. Much of the seemingly useless humour, banter, thoughtfulness and maybe even poetry in our posts serve the crucial purpose of telling readers that we are very much human, going places where no machine can follow.

I am sure all of us can and should be making a little more effort in this direction. It is an ongoing concern, because not everyone will be familiar with your posting history.

http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv282/chrisgair/Miscellaneous/WeAreNotWorthy.gif Excellent stuff.

[araucaria]

http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv282/chrisgair/Miscellaneous/WeAreNotWorthy.gif Excellent stuff.

Yes, we are worthy! Just need to do a little better, that's all!

'Man's perfection is his perfectibility' (Levinas)

[The One]

This is a speech from 1994 by David Icke. , how much has changed since then? for better or worse? back then he had little "credibility" an was ridiculed but as Ghandi would say "Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth."

lW0-HdN0cK8

[ktlight]

The wisdom of David Icke. Aaahhhh, thank the Universe for his existence, because he is most certainly a gift to humanity!

[truth4me]

Good stuff .....David Icke---you gotta like him. He speaks truth. When he first came out with the reptilian stuff a lot of folks were blew away. Is the Queen of England a reptilian ? Let just say that anything is possible. Princes Di stated before she died that the royals weren't human....Who would have knew if she didn't?

[Ixopoborn]

I agree completely with the kernel of Ike's message - we desperately need to remodel our structures here on earth.

I will resist with all my soul the insidious control attempts being made on us.

I will resist with all my soul the temptation to turn on others in frustration that they can't see what is wrong with us like I do.

I will seek friendship with anyone else who is active in wanting to make changes without violence.

I will remember that forgiveness of others is essential for my sanity.

I will always be grateful to folk like Bill Ryan for his selfless devotion to the mission.

[Maia Gabrial]

I think most people saw it as a spoof and it was goofy. Ktlight brings alot of things to our attention. I applaud her.

[Carmody]

frpm wikipedia, on David:

Michael Barkun sees Icke as a professional conspiracy theorist of the Alex Jones variety, and the most fluent of the genre.[64] He calls Icke's work "improvisational millennialism", with an end-of-history scenario involving a final battle between good and evil. Because everything is connected in the conspiracist world view, Barkun writes, every source can be mined for links.

this is patently true. for good reason.

this is the basic of logic function in the context of the idea of clearing paradox from the table of data that is in the scope of the question. Godel's incompleteness theorem. Even Einstein stated this exact thing, flat out. Einstein said that a problem cannot be solved by the intllect or situation that created it. Thus, in efect, that paradox cannot be solved unless one steps out of the data grouping that one has the problem set into and within.

Thus the idea and full, fundamental logical conclusion and logic tool of extraordinary effectiveness..that one must group the problem data and considerations together.... and look outside of it.

To someone who cannot open paradox, cannot understand the existence of the given paradox....they cannot understand that David has looked outside of the scope of the paradox that the skeptic fails to recognize..and found the connective tissue.

The moment that one opens their eyes, they find data and information they did not even know existed, and thus paradox rears it's head. Thus the answer of looking outside of the data set that has produced paradox. For if the answer lay within the grouping, the paradox would not exist, would it?

As well, on reptilians:

In Children of the Matrix, Icke writes that, that if the reptilians did not exist, we would have to invent them. "In fact," he says, "we probably have. They are other levels of ourselves putting ourselves in our face."

which is why, in the soul Harvester thread, I say, 'don't worry about it'.

Consensus reality system, remember? Get thine self straight, and all these issues disappear of their own accord.

[kathymarie]

Thank you for posting this....I bless the day I found one of David's books. I've been an avid follower for over 10 years now. He keeps amazing me!

[kathymarie]

The message is even more relevant today than ever before. I am so thankful he has attained a level of credibility with some although I still read and hear some of the most unkind references and slurs made to him. I only recently discovered Bill Ryan. His words resonate truth with me just as David Icke's did when I first read his works. I was so impressed with Bill Ryan's discussions with "Charles" (boo, hiss) where he openly says he believes humanity can still solve the problems of the planet without a massive reduction in population. I agree totally that the technology and resources are "there" to accomplish this were they only "available" . Thank you again for posting this ...we need to be reminded more often.

[Cidersomerset]

No one really knows what is going on in Libya...We know its to do with our economic interrest as Jack straw reluctantly admittesd on radio yesterday.........
There is obviously internal division and Gaddaffi as all Kings and dictators should not be allowed to be in power over anyone, let alone for 40 years...unless freely voted in by the population in regular 'free' elections...

AslyGtLAU4s

Cheers Steve

[ktlight]

"If you're going to say 'No' to one thing--say "NO!" to the micro chip."

tL9oSGqFhlg

[Taurean]

We had our dog chipped - within 18 mths he was riddled with cancer.

http://www.naturalnews.com/033427_electronic_tattoos_microchipped.html

[toothpick]

Have to agree with david on this one for sure.
There is little doubt that is one of their objectives, micro chiping.
Thanks kt.

toothpck

[Catsquotl]

I will say No for as long as I have a choice.

However I am reminded of what George Kavassalis said in his hundredth monkey radio interview.
He said that the TPTW have this machine that is already capable of pinpointing anyone, controlling or trying to control their thoughts and emotions.
The pinpointing is done by the vibration you as a human are emitting.
So whilst we may feel saver not having a micro-chip don't make the mistake of thinking you are safely of the grid.

With Love
Eelco

[spiritguide]

For every technology there is a counter-technology, this is the reason they keep most of this secret before application. Besides saying NO to it we must analyse the technology and develope counter measures to defeat it. Magnetism will go a long way in this endeavor, both personal and technical.

Peace!

[Calz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX-SiSmUIP4&feature=player_embedded

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/52741-david-icke-fear-mind-control-the-thought-police

[Cidersomerset]

Rothchild Zoinists run US/UK/Israeli politics. I just watched this vid by David Icke, which I have seen before in the larger presentation.Because he says so much it is worth watching parts of the talks seperately.....
Here he clearly shows how, and names zoinist personalities and their agenda to manipulate the world...this presentation is over a year old and what he is talking about is unfolding infront of our eyes. David is not racist or anti US/UK/Israeli just anti Zoinist and manipulation from TPTB...

Its great info we have heard before but only David can present it in his unique style enjoy and really listen to what he says as usual its packed with infomation.

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[truth4me]

Have you ever heard the hate coming out of the mouth of the Zionist Jews? I 'm not taking about the Jewish people as a whole but the leaders of the Zionist Jews and those who back them. They constantly preach war and hatred of other races. Google it and see for yourself. They were the original "serpent people" whom really rule Great Britain and Great Britain whom really rule America. So both England and America bow down to the Israel based Zionist Jews. Anybody who supports Israel knowingly or unknowingly are backing the Zionist and it's a shame that the basic Jewish person is caught up in it. The Big Time T.V. preachers who back Israel know the real deal. The bible as we know it was put together by the Zionist whom gave it to England who gave it to America and the people hand it down generation after generation. That's why good people back Israel because they have been taught to. Slick, very slick the Zionist are......

[Cidersomerset]

This is the dispatches programme mentioned by David. I posted it on another thread the other day but worth putting here and if you have not seen it before it will open your eyes to the extent of the open Israeli lobby in UK politics, to both main parties.

The reasercher does a good job but won't say they are controlled by Zoinists and at the end he says rather meekly that although the Jewish lobby is disproportionate in its control of British politics. He could find no sign of a conspiricy.....So mainstream will only go so far , and to say Cash donations buys policy is one step to far Still.......But when you add what we know from alternate sources it all makes sence, how the Rochchilds Zoinist control UK/US/Israeli politics, Also they can knobble any genuine journalist by pressure on their bosses this is very 'scary' and Big brotherish thru groups like 'Honest reporting' which are zoinist monitoring agents. This film was made before the last UK election but it is still very relevent today..


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[Cidersomerset]

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I think the Jewish gentleman summed it up quite well in the last clip.....Cheers Steve..

[winston smith1971]

Another cracking thread Cider. But as you say if anyone tries to tell the truth about Zionists especially David Icke you are branded antisemitic and racist.The majority of Jews realize what a danger they are. Cheers Winston

[Cidersomerset]

Hi all found this interview by David Icke on the Eve of his Australia tour 2011....I'm going to listen to it now as well...... enjoy ....Steve..


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[seantimberwolf]

Thanks Steve, i love this guy with all my heart i can normally sense people just buy there voice,
We all have the ability to sense truth in sound. And David is so sincere i just have nothing but unconditional love for him.
He has spoken the truth for so many years and i believe he "lit" the fire in my life and showed me the path.
I particularly like the quote from this interview "All Gore has the carbon footprint of Godzilla"
Great !!

[Jake]

Thanx,, Icke can talk for hours and hours,, and i love every minute of it. Thanx for the link. (I know what I am doing for the next couple of hours,,,) Cheers, Jake.

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Seatimberwolf ....I'm 100mins in and allthough I have heard him many times he is still fresh and everything he has said so far has happened thru problem reaction sollution....

He said WW 3 started on 9/11 and his explanation makes sence especially when he reminds you about Arron Russo and Rothchild telling him before 9/11 that US troops would be hunting Bin Laden

in a cave in Afghanistan and it was all a hoax to control the world for Rothchild Zoinists.......There on to satanic Australia and Phaediphiles and how Satanists rule the world thru blackmail.........

[seantimberwolf]

Your right there Cider, And Libya is just one big joke for us we can see its a false conflict and a diversion tactic.
I feel sorry for the people involved thinking they can change there destiny its sick beyond words, like David say's hidden prison bars

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Jake its always worth it imho....Cheers Steve

[Lisab]

Keeping this one for later. I do so love mr icke. Thankyou x

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Lisab ...You will enjoy it hes on form now .....Lisa has got him on to blue bloods and there moving on to 'baby Bush' .....Australia your in for a treat when he arrives on tour...Great fun and enlightening and Educational...

[Cidersomerset]

That was a great interview as usual as Lisa said she only managed to get thru half the questions she wanted to ask ................Some of the topics they did not get onto in this interview are covered in the Barcelona after dinner thread I put up yesterday , which may have put you off by the tittle , but it was very good, and he explains the financial termoil we are going thru, and he explains the Banks printing money out of nothing scenario very well, as I say its worth a watch with a nice cup of tea/coffee ...cheers steve

[aranuk]

Thanks Cider I just finished listening to it! Well worth the two hours!

Stan

[IndigoStar]

Hi,
Just to add my little 10 cents to this debate - personally I don't have anything against your posts KTlight and would encourage you to post whatever you feel is relevant. However, I would appreciate it if you could write (joke) or something in the title when appropriate (on posts such as this one).

Then again, maybe you didn't know it was a joke? ...Just to clarify to anyone who isn't sure, it most definitely IS!

[ktlight]

I was treating everyone as an adult. A pop up appears where it states the word 'satire' at the 16sec mark of viewing, and I am extremely reluctant to alter any author's work. That's me. Isn't that infringement of copyright?

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello,

The title you choose for the threads on Avalon is your choice and is not copyright infringement ;)

If you would have edited the video and presented that work as your own or as the original that probably qualifies as copyright infringement.

As I've stated on many other threads, choosing appropriate titles and content for the threads you start shows your consideration to this forum, its quality and its members.

[ktlight]

So, if I had added in (Joke) that would have been better than to assume that it would be seen upon watching it.

[IndigoStar]

So, if I had added in (Joke) that would have been better than to assume that it would be seen upon watching it.

For me yes because I wouldn't have watched the video : )

[Snoweagle]

I support your opening complaint Foggy.
I too recognise the fearful distraction provided by "spoof" fun posts tagging headers relating to important affairs. Whilst I, and others, recognise the "joke", sadly there are many who actually believe them to be fact introducing immense confusion to the forum. There are those who revel in this type of mockery which I consider grossly "unfair".

I cherish as the next man a great spoof or joke but not on the back of serious topics. Please continue with the fun though, like Foggy, being respectful of the community is most important and addressing a jesting post as such helps others participate appropriately.

Paul: It is most unfair that the "thank you" button has been disabled on Foggys post. Thank you also for your balanced appraisal.

[Cidersomerset]

A recent radio interview by David Icke great stuff, always worth a listen...

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Unite & Come Together=We Are Many=They Are Few...

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Cheer Steve...

[Cidersomerset]

As David Icke would say Problem Reaction Solution ...Here Sen Jay Rockafeller Setting up the 'PROBLEM' of the internet to the elites...

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[Maia Gabrial]

Yay, another fracking Rockefeller (there's that vile name again)....

[Cidersomerset]

Yes Maia..... its like a plague of Rockafellers and Rothchilds......

[Cidersomerset]

A TWO FINGERED SALUTE TO THE ROTHCHILDS BY THE BEATLES !!!!!!


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[AlexanderLight]

Amazing new interview with David Icke:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeWHpFSyZTI&feature=player_embedded
10:28 - The new 'energy efficient' light bulbs contain mercury and not only that they are very bad for our health but listen to what happens if one of them brakes inside your house.

17:37 - David speaks of the hidden control behind the so called 'democracy'.
The secret societies are organised like a gigantic transnational corporation, but wisely hidden from our attention.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HoTFpgiM4JI/Tm3mSIetv6I/AAAAAAAABqg/s97CIT7ZXWQ/s1600/Hidden%2BScheme%2B-%2BTransN%2BCorp.png

25:42 - How the corporations are taking over the farmlands all over the planet, in order to impose us their GMO products.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mDGA0lwzdQs/Tm3rfUlz-rI/AAAAAAAABqk/hGmIY27bjZ8/s1600/GMO.png

37:24 - David explains one more time the technique he calls: Problem - Reaction - Solution and puts it into perspective by correlating it to the current events (ex: the Libyan & Egyptian armed clashes).

40:45 - "We are stepping towards World War 3, in fact we are already in WW3, it's just not officially declared" - David Icke. Listen how everything will unfold and when it will be declared.

The House of Rothschild is the main orchestrator behind the Israeli events that are currently unfolding. (Click here to read the entire history of the House of Rothschild (http://humansarefree.com/2011/09/history-of-house-of-rothschild-complete.html)).

51:33 - The true reason behind the Libyan events - correlations to the NWO scheme of power.

More importantly, the gold reserves of the world, are actually NOT GOLD RESERVES at all!

David Icke: "Where is all the real gold gone?" - This is the PERFECT question for solving all the secrets behind our origins & true history.

If you are familiar with my 'Human (true) History' articles you will notice that I've also asked this question before. It seems that it's all about the gold. Where is this metal being sent to, for what purpose and more importantly by whom?

MUST READ article: The oldest Metropolis on Earth was built by the Anunnaki! Purpose: Gold Mining - More than 200,000 Years Ago! (http://humansarefree.com/2011/01/oldest-metropolis-on-earth-was-built-by.html)

55:37 - Aaron Russo and Nicholas Rockefeller: microchipping program and population control.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-V6SdhYaIavw/Tm4NkJrJUEI/AAAAAAAABqo/YNxFcf0x41Y/s1600/Aaron+-+Nick.jpg

Click Here to Read the Entire Article (http://humansarefree.com/2011/09/david-icke-latest-interview-217-h.html)

[Cidersomerset]

Cheers AlexnderLight had to get you off 666 Thanked LOL....I put this up last week great interview worth listening to cheers steve..

[jagman]

Didnt David Icke also claim he was the son of God and predict a flood?

[ktlight]

Didnt David Icke also claim he was the son of God and predict a flood?

A very long time ago, when he was processing what happened to him in Peru. Having processed himself, the statement is that we are all one.

[Cidersomerset]

Yes Jagman and much more he said some odd things on a TV show as he was first embarking on his journey of discovery....Cheers Steve..

PS.If you have not followed his work there is a massive hole in your 'awakening'....He has been researching all aspects of the our manipulation by possible (reptilian entities/ Annunaki)thru the elite families of the world for 20 years, his research took him back to Babylon.To the secret societies and paediphile rings, control systems and much much more .He did say he/we were all the sons of god but, not in a religious sence but a consciousness changing paradigm, which mainstream did not understand and interpreted it as he was having a breakdown , bear in mind he was a BBC presenter at the time, and as he says himselfe the experiance was overwhelming and he was coming out so to speak in the full public glare.Which resulted in public ridicule. Fortunately as he says it has given him the strengh to follow the path he has been on since then. You need to hear his explanation of how and why? it happened.....

Watch the camelot vid and you will soon put that behind you.....He explains at the start what happened to him.

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[jagman]

Yes Jagman and much more he is as nutty as a fruit cake and I'm with him all the way on this insane journey we call life....Cheers Steve..

PS.If you have not followed his work there is a massive hole in your alternate info....He has been researching all aspects of the our manipulation data back to pre Babylon
To the secret societies and paediphile rings and much much more .He did say he was the son of god but you need to hear is explanation of how and why? it happened

Watch the camalot vid and you soon put that behind you...

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[the trojan]

nothing new then,other than corelating lybia with the usual nwo shenanigans.
i am not being facetious,its just that I am getting fed up with various personalities announcing all these findings,which the majority of people who are interested in these themes, already know.
Then again,David Ickes style of writing is repetitive which I have put down to ,a certain teaching method,allowing for reiteration.

[Mark]

Great recap interview from David. Thanks for sharing it!

[Cidersomerset]

I just watched the Camelot interview again and it gives you a great insight into Davids awakening and where he is going..............The last 8 mins is worth a listen on its own when they start summing up and talk about 2012. Its quite amusing bearing in mind Bills recent Ellinen thread, both Bill and David think 2012 is a spiritual WTK ...Cheers Steve..

[Cidersomerset]

This is brilliant, its a bit 'cringing' at first as our hero goes back on 'Wogan' and shows how stupid mainstream presenters are, and the audiance are not laughing at him this time. Its Wogan turn to be laughed at and he doesn't realise it...

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Cheers Steve..

[mahalall]

Unlocking the serpent within leads you to David Icke.

I'm so grateful to this man, he helped me understand the Nagas that arose with kundalini

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C4%81ga

[Maia Gabrial]

As always, David Icke brings alot of interesting information to his listeners.

So, if these perverts in power don't have empathy to temper their morality, then how does karma play in all of this? This made me stop and think....Does that mean that Karma is just another means to control us? Does it really exist? I wonder.....

[noprophet]

I like Icke. I think he's good at laying things out. People like to hate on him because of some of the crazier things said; but guess what. During the processes of association during "waking up/digging out" there's a ton of what, to the layman, looks like insanity. Why the llamas used to say the world of the mystic and the world of the lunatic were the same place.

I would even venture to guess quite a few of us on this forum hit those places once in awhile. I'm in/out of one right now, but as always it'll solidify into some workable basis only to do it all over again. That's the process. Breaking your own perspective again and again - each time it's put back together it gets a little bigger. Makes me worry about people who are set in there views for more than a few years. Unless of course your taking the eastern route of simply removing the satanic structure of logical reasoning (the great refiner/deciever/tester/etc) around your innnate god/soul/self. But then again if your doing that you wouldn't have much use for this forum ;)

[TargeT]

More importantly, the gold reserves of the world, are actually NOT GOLD RESERVES at all!

David Icke: "Where is all the real gold gone?" - This is the PERFECT question for solving all the secrets behind our origins & true history.

If you are familiar with my 'Human (true) History' articles you will notice that I've also asked this question before. It seems that it's all about the gold. Where is this metal being sent to, for what purpose and more importantly by whom?

MUST READ article: The oldest Metropolis on Earth was built by the Anunnaki! Purpose: Gold Mining - More than 200,000 Years Ago! (http://humansarefree.com/2011/01/oldest-metropolis-on-earth-was-built-by.html)


I recently saw "aliens vr cowboys" basic plot of the movie is that reptilian/amphibian alien race lands here as a scouting party looking for gold, they view us as insects I find the parrelles at least interesting...

http://www.thinkhero.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/cowboys_and_aliens_01.jpg.jpg

it also includes a race of aliens that is helping us... reminds me of @103:00 this is EXACTLY what happens with me, syncronisity.. crazy to hear it from someone else like this..

[AlexanderLight]

He speaks of new stuff as well:
- mercury in light bulbs;
- Libya (btw, did you knew that healthcare, energy, housing, water, education are FREE in Libya? Or at least were until now, I bet they will not remain free for long...);
- Egypt events;
- big companies taking over the farmlands;

And a lot of new other stuff. Just find the time and listen to this interview, it will definitely worth your time.

[Kage]

Karma ... It only exits if you create it in your reality.. :)

I choose to learn from my mistakes, not punish myself for them... And I do kind things for others, not for reward but for love..

Kg

[Davidallany]

David Icke is one of the pioneers in the Awakening movement. It takes a great amount of courage and strength to be David Icke.

[Davidallany]

Karma ... It only exits if you create it in your reality
The notion of Karma in a Hindu/Buddhist context is going to be the next thing to be abandoned. It's only mental formations, an energy opposing love energy. Any energy opposing love arises spontaneously just like any other energy. It's the small box to get out of.

[ktlight]

I hope this video does not make you feel too sick.

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[Davidallany]

The world is led by immoral men.

[DoubleHelix]

I'm going to see Mr. David Icke this Saturday. It's an all day event that starts at 9am and wraps up after 5pm.

Should be quite the eye opener, can't wait.

[ktlight]

I'm going to see Mr. David Icke this Saturday. It's an all day event that starts at 9am and wraps up after 5pm.

Should be quite the eye opener, can't wait.

Give him love from UK, please, if you get a chance.

[Davidallany]

I'm going to see Mr. David Icke this Saturday. It's an all day event that starts at 9am and wraps up after 5pm.

Should be quite the eye opener, can't wait.
Congratulations, have a great time noble Avalonian, you deserve it.

[grapevine]

I'm going to see Mr. David Icke this Saturday. It's an all day event that starts at 9am and wraps up after 5pm.

Should be quite the eye opener, can't wait.

If you haven't been to one of David's events before you will love it Double Helix. Take plenty to eat and drink though ..... :)

Kathy - the video is heartbreaking, really unbearably heartwrenching taking it in retrospect ....... I feel very tearful.

[ghostrider]

video is good for opening eyes of the sleeping masses, I wish it would play everywhere=all the time over and over until the masses are awake.

[Heyoka_11]

G'day Everyone,

Please read the latest update that I just received from David Icke's site.

David Icke is facing a double legal challenge to everything he is now so successfully and incredibly achieving worldwide. Can you help to ensure that his work continues?

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While David embarks in his 60th year on the most grueling speaking tour of his life on the back of spending the entire summer locked away 15 hours a day writing a new book, he is also having to deal with two legal cases which, together, could make it very difficult for him to continue on anything like the scale that he is now achieving, never mind massively expanding his work as he is planning to do.

This comes at precisely the time when he is making such fantastic strides in awakening the world to so many revelations with the promise of so much more to come.

David has been dealing with the first case for a while, but circumstances have now changed dramatically after what would appear to be an external source with considerable funds suddenly paying for very expensive London lawyers to support someone who claims to have no money in a case against David. This makes the case potentially of far greater significance with regard to David's 21 years of work and where it goes from here.

David cannot reveal the name of the person involved in this case at this time. People, however, are going to be taken aback - indeed shocked - when they eventually know. But that is for another day.

The other legal case is the extraordinary 'libel' action brought against David by Canada's Richard Warman who has a policy of what he calls 'maximum disruption' - setting out to cause maximum disruption to the lives of those that he targets. The case began in 2002 - yes, 2002 - and it has been continuing ever since with a final trial date in the process of being decided. The legal bill for preparation and trial has been estimated at a high six-digit figure.

If you cannot easily afford to contribute to David's double-legal defence fund then please don't. These are harsh economic times. But if you easily can and you wish to help David meet these challenges, then please click on the link below. Nothing is too little.

Thank-you. We shall overcome, no matter what - and no matter who.

A link at the end of this message went straight to PayPal, where you are able to donate to "David Icke's Legal Defence Fund". For obvious reasons, I have not included it. Please PM me and I will happily send it to you.

As an alternative, please consider subscribing to his website. You'll get a weekly newsletter, access to his archives, and of course that warm fuzzy feeling that accompanies a good act! I costs about the equivalent of a cheeseburger a month, and is far more healthier!

Let's face it, what we all do here on Avalon is great, but we do so from the relative safety and comfort of our own homes. Meanwhile, David is out there in the firing line, putting his neck on the chopping block for the benefit of all who choose to listen.

Please consider helping him out.

Best Wishes,

Tony. ;)

[DoubleHelix]

That's a lot of moolah !

Is there anyway he can pursue a Freeman/Trust Law type approach? don't fight the crown, stand in your own power and bypass it!

[Heyoka_11]

Is there anyway he can pursue a Freeman/Trust Law type approach? don't fight the crown, stand in your own power and bypass it!

I just don't know enough about that to comment mate.

But I get the feeling that it is something that he will not be able to circumvent, as there sounds to be considerable financial backing for the prosecution, and he is being attacked from both sides of the Atlantic.

It would be a crime if his activities were curtailed!

[realitycorrodes]

He would need an army to be a freeman. Thats the problem with it. One of the best freemen in Australia is in jail at the moment - with all his knowledge it did not keep him out. Lord Sidious flew in to try and get him out with a habeous corpus and as far as I know he is still in jail...and it still has not come to the "whose got the biggest stick part". On a larger scale (holographically) its like the United States invading Afghanistan or Iraq - its illegal international law speaking - probably even national law, but at the end of the day thats (law) is just a spell to keep you thinking the world is civilized when in fact all that matters is whose got the biggest stick. Time to wake up!

[ulli]

There is something to be said for martyrdom...it serves with spreading the news more efficiently than any ordinary publicity would.
Something the dark side seem to be forgetting about, they are just too dense.

[Lord Sidious]

That's a lot of moolah !

Is there anyway he can pursue a Freeman/Trust Law type approach? don't fight the crown, stand in your own power and bypass it!

I am not sure he could do it, it would need a lot of study and he doesn't have the time.
He isn't fighting the crown, he is fighting a slime bag, richard warman.
I am tempted to slander him so he tries his luck on me, but not here on this forum.
This warman is an ex spook who is also an ex employee of the ''human rights tribunal'' in one of the provinces in canada.
He is a serial litigant that I would say is a barrator.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barratry
He has attacked people I know in the past, when I was in the political scene.


He would need an army to be a freeman. Thats the problem with it. One of the best freemen in Australia is in jail at the moment - with all his knowledge it did not keep him out. Lord Sidious flew in to try and get him out with a habeous corpus and as far as I know he is still in jail...and it still has not come to the "whose got the biggest stick part". On a larger scale (holographically) its like the United States invading Afghanistan or Iraq - its illegal international law speaking - probably even national law, but at the end of the day thats (law) is just a spell to keep you thinking the world is civilized when in fact all that matters is whose got the biggest stick. Time to wake up!

To be fair though, the reason he is still in is because he smart mouthed a magistrate.
And didn't apply for bail too.
There is a conspiracy behind the scenes on his case as well, I don't have the liberty to fill you in with details though.

[Heyoka_11]

There is something to be said for martyrdom..

Thanks ulli, you are right.

David is coming to the end of the road as far as his ability to be touring, so perhaps he needs to take a break, but not an enforced one. And at what price would that martyrdom come?

It would just be plain wrong for him to be found guilty of a crime, and suffer the resultant financial hardship, or worse. That's why I posted this; in the hope that he will be able to, with financial assistance, wield the "bigger stick" as realitycorrodes put it.

[Lord Sidious]

There is something to be said for martyrdom..

Thanks ulli, you are right.

David is coming to the end of the road as far as his ability to be touring, so perhaps he needs to take a break, but not an enforced one. And at what price would that martyrdom come?

It would just be plain wrong for him to be found guilty of a crime, and suffer the resultant financial hardship, or worse. That's why I posted this; in the hope that he will be able to, with financial assistance, wield the "bigger stick" as realitycorrodes put it.

These are civil suits, not criminal charges.

[Heyoka_11]

He is a serial litigant that I would say is a barrator.

Thank you for the link to Wiki Rob, I enjoy learning little snippets such as that.

If he is indeed a Barrator, then your "slime bag" assessment would appear to be rather fitting. The old joke about lawyers and scum sucking bottom feeders springs to mind.

Thanks too for your correction in post 8. I am pig ignorant of such matters!

[Lord Sidious]

He is a serial litigant that I would say is a barrator.

Thank you for the link to Wiki Rob, I enjoy learning little snippets such as that.

If he is indeed a Barrator, then your "slime bag" assessment would appear to be rather fitting. The old joke about lawyers and scum sucking bottom feeders springs to mind.

I could deal with him myself and defeat him, but I have other fish I need to fry too.

[Ixopoborn]

Jane Burgermeister was one for whom I was prepared to take direct action to prevent from coming to harm.

David Ike is another such person. I am taking on trust the comments of Lord Sidious in saying this but have no reason to doubt him. Quite the contrary in fact.

Thanks Sidious for bringing this to my attention. I will follow this through.

Attacking someone at their financial base is a very well used tactic by the forces opposing us to effectively silence someone. This situation smells to high heaven. Once I have checked things out I will want to help.

[Heyoka_11]

Jane Burgermeister was one for whom I was prepared to take direct action to prevent from coming to harm.

Thank you so much for your post Ixopoborn.

For those who do not know of Jane Burgermeister, here is a Project Camelot video interview with her.

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[Vitalux]

[B]
David Icke is facing a double legal challenge to everything he is now so successfully and incredibly achieving worldwide.


What would happen if David just told the system to kiss his butt?


In the words of Jordan Maxwell " Isn't a court something you play a game on?"

[Lord Sidious]

Jane Burgermeister was one for whom I was prepared to take direct action to prevent from coming to harm.

David Ike is another such person. I am taking on trust the comments of Lord Sidious in saying this but have no reason to doubt him. Quite the contrary in fact.

Thanks Sidious for bringing this to my attention. I will follow this through.

Attacking someone at their financial base is a very well used tactic by the forces opposing us to effectively silence someone. This situation smells to high heaven. Once I have checked things out I will want to help.

Let me know if I can help out.



[B]
David Icke is facing a double legal challenge to everything he is now so successfully and incredibly achieving worldwide.


What would happen if David just told the system to kiss his butt?


In the words of Jordan Maxwell " Isn't a court something you play a game on?"

They would give judgement to warman and then the sheriffs would come calling to get payment.

[Anno]

Nearly Christmas I see. Icke sends these out all the time then ignores people on his own forum when they ask what their donation ended up getting spent on and what the outcome was. He's done this so many times now it's not funny and it's even less funny that it's being promoted on here. Try using google. If you want to make your career out of accusing anyone with a successful life of being a satanic reptilian pedophile jew, you're gonna get sued. Get insurance.

And he's writing a new book? Ctrl+C Ctrl+V Ctrl+C Ctrl+V "Biggest Secrets EVAAAARRR". Mass printed in India then sold on his site for £25 or £14 online, but then the shops mysteriously don't get their shipment for over a month so you have to buy it from him. And then he has the cheek to use the small company exemption to keep his company accounts private.

Wake the **** up people. =]

[humanalien]

I thought this was a forum to talk about various topic and
not a place for the solicitation of funds. David has money,
so let him fight his own battles..

[grapevine]

G'day Everyone,

Please read the latest update that I just received from David Icke's site.

David Icke is facing a double legal challenge to everything he is now so successfully and incredibly achieving worldwide. Can you help to ensure that his work continues?

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While David embarks in his 60th year on the most grueling speaking tour of his life on the back of spending the entire summer locked away 15 hours a day writing a new book, he is also having to deal with two legal cases which, together, could make it very difficult for him to continue on anything like the scale that he is now achieving, never mind massively expanding his work as he is planning to do.

This comes at precisely the time when he is making such fantastic strides in awakening the world to so many revelations with the promise of so much more to come.

David has been dealing with the first case for a while, but circumstances have now changed dramatically after what would appear to be an external source with considerable funds suddenly paying for very expensive London lawyers to support someone who claims to have no money in a case against David. This makes the case potentially of far greater significance with regard to David's 21 years of work and where it goes from here.

David cannot reveal the name of the person involved in this case at this time. People, however, are going to be taken aback - indeed shocked - when they eventually know. But that is for another day.

The other legal case is the extraordinary 'libel' action brought against David by Canada's Richard Warman who has a policy of what he calls 'maximum disruption' - setting out to cause maximum disruption to the lives of those that he targets. The case began in 2002 - yes, 2002 - and it has been continuing ever since with a final trial date in the process of being decided. The legal bill for preparation and trial has been estimated at a high six-digit figure.

If you cannot easily afford to contribute to David's double-legal defence fund then please don't. These are harsh economic times. But if you easily can and you wish to help David meet these challenges, then please click on the link below. Nothing is too little.

Thank-you. We shall overcome, no matter what - and no matter who.

A link at the end of this message went straight to PayPal, where you are able to donate to "David Icke's Legal Defence Fund". For obvious reasons, I have not included it. Please PM me and I will happily send it to you.

As an alternative, please consider subscribing to his website. You'll get a weekly newsletter, access to his archives, and of course that warm fuzzy feeling that accompanies a good act! I costs about the equivalent of a cheeseburger a month, and is far more healthier!

Let's face it, what we all do here on Avalon is great, but we do so from the relative safety and comfort of our own homes. Meanwhile, David is out there in the firing line, putting his neck on the chopping block for the benefit of all who choose to listen.

Please consider helping him out.

Best Wishes,

Tony. ;)

It's either his ex wife or ........ Queen Elizabeth 11 on Legal Aid!

[HORIZONS]

It's either his ex wife or ........ Queen Elizabeth

I vote the latter.

[Heyoka_11]

It's either his ex wife or ........ Queen Elizabeth

I vote the latter.

As the update said, we are going to be taken aback, indeed shocked, when we find out. So who knows.............just may be.

[Heyoka_11]

I thought this was a forum to talk about various topic and
not a place for the solicitation of funds. David has money,
so let him fight his own battles..

If you take the time (perhaps you already have), to read the posts on this thread, you may note that the conversation thus far has focused on the legal challenges he is up against, and not on the solicitation for funds.

[Heyoka_11]

Nearly Christmas I see. Icke sends these out all the time then ignores people on his own forum when they ask what their donation ended up getting spent on and what the outcome was. He's done this so many times now it's not funny and it's even less funny that it's being promoted on here. Try using google. If you want to make your career out of accusing anyone with a successful life of being a satanic reptilian pedophile jew, you're gonna get sued. Get insurance.

And he's writing a new book? Ctrl+C Ctrl+V Ctrl+C Ctrl+V "Biggest Secrets EVAAAARRR". Mass printed in India then sold on his site for £25 or £14 online, but then the shops mysteriously don't get their shipment for over a month so you have to buy it from him. And then he has the cheek to use the small company exemption to keep his company accounts private.

Wake the **** up people. =]

G'day Anno,

I am well aware of the amount of repetition in David's books, as are most people. He writes each new book with the intention that it be the first that someone reads, therefore it must contain material already published in previous books. If all he did was publish a new book, with all new material, it would be pretty light on, and certainly not worth a newcomer buying. Either way, someone is always going to try to hang him for his actions.

As for his office issuing requests for funds regularly, I have been a subscriber for some years now, and this is the first solicitation that I have received.

[Darla Ken Pearce]

After sixty years of muck raking, it's been stirred up enough. If you can't see some real results after this long quest ~ what makes you think another sixty years of more book tours and speaking engagements will help?

Time to retire and let folks sort this whole mess out for themselves. He's put out enough videos to last people ten lifetimes if placed end to end and it's not enough? I guess some of us are never satisfied and there is a lot of that going around.

When you rake up too much BS, there comes a huge cloud of toxic fog that envelopes all it touches and as a result no one can see their hand in front of their faces anymore on either side. My vote goes to his ex-wife, although the timing might be right for him being an illegitimate child of Queen Elizabeth, she's been accused of everything but this travesty.....so it could be timely, however, it's his ex-wife that is probably what truly did him in and sapped his strength and ability to slander alligators, crocks, and reptiles. At least the ones who do NOT walk on two legs.

And what's up with 15 hours chained to a desk writing yet ANOTHER book? A gun to his head, no doubt? This is self-torture at it's finest. I love you, Tony but it must be teatime by now. Wanna cuppa? Ta ta..for now. I've got litter boxes to empty...and they call him David Icke ; ) xoxox

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

Well isn't the queen supposed to be bankrupt? That is my guess. I don't think anyone would be really suprised if it did turn out to be.

PVM

[Davidallany]

so let him fight his own battles..
Why not while at it let the whole damn world fight it's own battles against the bullies?

So much for the collective efforts we are working towards.
I will not abandon any one of you, especially on the thought level.

[DoubleHelix]

so let him fight his own battles..
Why not while at it let the whole damn world fight it's own battles against the bullies?

So much for the collective efforts we are working towards.
I will not abandon any one of you, especially on the thought level.

My thoughts exactly!

What happened to helping our fellow man? I'm not sure about the financial aspects of David's quandaries but if there's other ways in which we can assist then why not?

I know if I were in pickle I'd like to think I could turn to you lot !

[Davidallany]

What happened to helping our fellow man? I'm not sure about the financial aspects of David's quandaries but if there's other ways in which we can assist then why not?

I know if I were in pickle I'd like to think I could turn to you lot !
Money is just a form of energy, but it's given the status of a god. It is absolutely worth it to go with one meal a day if it would alleviate the suffering of a my brother or sister, Let alone of a pioneer in the awakening movement. I have done this many times and will continue doing it, for results require action and exchange of energies.

[Anno]

You don't think accusing people of being pedophiles just because they're successful is bullying? Or calling people Sheeple and degrading them is bullying? What about the way he goes after the same people over and over because he knows they won't sue and cause too much attention. Is that not bullying?

Here's a post from 2008 on the DIF by someone who got banned for asking where his money went. LINK (http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=22406)

And what about if you ask who is suing him? Well, a mod will say this: LINK (http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1060209961&postcount=5) Yup, hand over your money but don't ask where it's going and don't expect to ever be told.

It makes me laugh that forum. Icke refuses point blank to have anything to do with it and releases rants about keyboard warriors and forum 'idiots' that do nothing and yet they still roll over and throw money at him. It has google ads on it ffs. Oh we love you Daaaavid. Baaaaaaaa. If Bill released a rant against forum users then put google ads on Avalon, how many of you would still be here tomorrow?

As for the Queen. I thought she was a reptilian with a secret army of mk super soldiers. Why would she need to sue anyone? And what about the super control system and spies and cameras? How does he manage to travel the world on his speaking tours? And the black wizards and alien technology they have? Can't they use that or something? No, because it's not them that are suing him. It's all a civil matter.

Let's get this straight. The guy from Canada is suing him over a business deal gone wrong as has been going on for years. The transcripts are all online, go read them. His second ex-wife is suing him. Yup, the one he got pregnant and paraded around infront of his first wife and kids because "infinite love means it's ok". Yup, David Icke used Infinite Love to justify adultery back in the 90's. Doesn't mention that during his 'lectures' does he. Nor that he 'channels' his information. Ofcourse, those books are out of print now so you can't read about it. Weird that isn't it.

I could go on. Shall we talk about his business links with Rothschild and the weapons industry? How about the people that used to work with him who've come out with stories about 'the real him', or Jordan Maxwell accusing him of fraud. How about how he goes around chasing victims of abuse so he can get his name and agenda attached? Why does he say the music industry is full of MK rapists and programmers then set his son up with a music career? He says Tv people, Journalists and MP's are all corrupt freemasons yet he's had all three of those jobs.

If you're wondering why I'm so hostile, it's because I believe he's an MI5 plant put here to make us all look like dumbasses. Mention something real and important and you'll get "Oh, isn't that what the reptile guy says". David Icke is as real as Jedward. Maybe slightly less so. The sooner he's left behind the better.

[ktlight]

Well isn't the queen supposed to be bankrupt? That is my guess. I don't think anyone would be really suprised if it did turn out to be.

PVM

I can't quite see that, not with her ownership of so much land in many countries!

[Davidallany]

If Bill released a rant against forum users then put google ads on Avalon, how many of you would still be here tomorrow? I would even respect the rant of a member, let alone the founder's. If keeping the site from closing due to lack of money means ads, then I welcome ads. These sites are too important to be lost.
He already said that he needed help with money to battle two court cases.

Now, this is what I got after making a donation to David's cause.

Wow, thank you so much.

Love Linda

Do you know that I don't get even a thank you from either Bill or Kerry for my donations to them. I am saying this only to show you guys the view from my side.

[Daft Ada]

Well isn't the queen supposed to be bankrupt? That is my guess. I don't think anyone would be really suprised if it did turn out to be.

PVM

I can't quite see that, not with her ownership of so much land in many countries!

Where do you people get this stuff? The Queen is the sixth richest person in the world, and still the bloody tax payer have to give her money.

[grapevine]

It's either his ex wife or ........ Queen Elizabeth

I vote the latter.

As the update said, we are going to be taken aback, indeed shocked, when we find out. So who knows.............just may be.

Who can this person be? How about BILL? (now that really would shock me - lol ) - but not as much as if it was Elvis :) -
David has his supporters and critics. I'm a supporter - I think his contribution to the alternative media has been massive, love him or otherwise. He must he under a lot of stress to have not only one but two court cases to deal with so my heart goes out to him if not the cash.

[Heyoka_11]

Well isn't the queen supposed to be bankrupt? That is my guess. I don't think anyone would be really suprised if it did turn out to be.

PVM

I can't quite see that, not with her ownership of so much land in many countries!

Where do you people get this stuff? The Queen is the sixth richest person in the world, and still the bloody tax payer have to give her money.

I contract to one of the world's largest mining companies, where it is common knowledge that Queen Elizabeth is the largest non-institutional shareholder.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello,

I've read almost all of David Icke's books.

His work has been a big stepping stone in the process of my "awakening" to what is really happening on the planet.

His Camelot interview brought my attention to Bill and Kerry and then to Project Avalon Forum.

I am very well aware that his website is not "the best" and same goes for his forum. The thing that makes Project Avalon forum unique is that Bill is actively participating in the Forum and the Material on the web site, while David Icke does not. I only say this because to expect David Icke to reply to every query in "his" forum is not realistic as he does not pay attention to that part.

I also find it unfair, that here at Avalon, we would attack the work of David Icke and his person. I doubt that any of you has had a life experience anywhere close to his, or did the amount of field research that he did. He is correct in saying the most of the people don't even ignore the attacks but rather add to them. It's really tough to be a "light worker" on this planet right now!

I've joined Avalon to find a community of supportive and like minded people, but it seems that the same tactics are used here against people that do their best to speak up about their findings. I am very saddened that a plea for help from a person on "our side!" is met here with such attacks.

[Limor Wolf]

David Icke is a fine man and his name can be put under the definition of 'warrior' in the dictionary.I would put him under 'True warrior'.he has done SO MUCH over the years,he has exposed plenty of corruptions including that of Holy greig,the abuse of so many children by the elite,he fights against children taken by police and social services from a perfectly good homes,he has a sharp understanding of how our mind and consciousness REALLY works down to the smallest detail,and he can explain it in such an articulate way using linear words - well,thats a hell of a success!

Over the years he did not give in even once although being attacked from many directions,he is super honest and a man who walks his talk.he not only speaks about love and unity but promotes this very important understanding through his interviews and videos.he is doing so while coping with the Arthritis disease wich he hardly talks about, he is absolutly walking his path and fulfilling his Designation this time around,yet there are those who want him to retire,since he 'wrote enough books' and he 'repeats himself'.I wonder,if any of you -the suggesters will quit walking YOUR path,or maybe it bothers you that he talks about Ascention and enlightement in a rather different way? Have all our troubles ended that we can send those people to retire?

In a reply email to me he honestly expressed his desire for the the truth to come out in Israel and that its more important than in anywhere else.


This is not an ode to a person from a place of worship, far from it because I do not admire anyone,its an observation on a person's life and deeds and his contribution to our world that is currently facing distress.
Here is a person who try to offer a solution in this crazy evolutionary process that we are going through,with as little casualties as possible.

I can hardly afford any donations right now,but I am going to search for the button no matter what even if only to show him my gratitude and appreciation and as others said,trying to assist our very worthy fellow human in need.

Thank you Heyoka_11 for bringing this up


~*&^~*&

Limor

[Heyoka_11]

I believe he's an MI5 plant put here to make us all look like dumbasses

G'day Anno,

Firstly, thank you for having taken the time to compose a rebuttal, including the links to Icke's site, which certainly make for interesting reading; different site, same issues! I am always happy to either hear or read a diametrically opposing point of view, as it is an effective manner by which to check the validity of our own beliefs. In fact, I think it is vital that we do so.

As for Icke being an MI5 plant, personally I simply cannot see anyone devoting the better part of their adult life to such an activity. It would also make his every word, be it spoken or written, a contradiction. No man could keep up such a monumental facade like that for as long as he has been on the campaign trail.

I am compelled to give him the benefit of the doubt in this case. However, I appreciate your input, and would advise all concerned to keep both their eyes and minds wide open.

[Davidallany]

David Icke is a fine man and his name can be put under the definition of 'warrior' in the dictionary.I would put him under 'True warrior
I would too, Limor.


In a reply email to me he honestly expressed his desire for the the truth to come out in Israel and that its more important than in anywhere else.
Do you guys see now just how much Dave cares.

[Anno]

[...]Do you guys see now just how much Dave cares.

Honestly. It's funny how we judge those we're told are the enemy by a totally different set of standards and are willing to turn a blind eye when our own act in exactly the same way. What is it that David calls it? Cognitive Dissonance?

Come 2012 when nothing happens, a lot of new people are going to be looking at Alternative subjects that actually matter. When they do they'll find (what I lovingly refer to as) The Truth Mafia. When they do they'll see what some of you are refusing to see and they'll laugh. Alex Jones called it Turd in the Punchbowl but then The Truth Mafia got to him and he came in to the fold.

Theosophy was the new religion of the 'Occultists'. Theosophy is what Jordan Maxwell and David Icke teach. It was designed by tptb for people like us and that is why they can get away with saying all kinds of crazy stuff without being harmed where as other Whistleblowers only seem to manage one interview before they die in mysterious circumstances.

Anyone who can't get past this won't be here in 2013 because tptb will be bringing it all out in the MSM when they turn the 2012 spotlight on. It's starting now with Alex Jones and Charlie Veitch appearing on the BBC. That's going to be the true flood, mark my words. =]

[Bill Ryan]

As the update said, we are going to be taken aback, indeed shocked, when we find out. So who knows.............just may be.

It's his ex-wife, Pamela Richards. When the whole story comes out, a lot of people really will be shocked.

Read this...

http://consciousmedianetwork.blogspot.com/2010/08/david-icke-beleaguered-warrior.html

... which says all you need to know.

I stand with David in everything he does. He's as tough as it gets and would not have posted this request for help if he was not in serious danger of being unable to continue his work.

Anno, you are way out of line. If you're not well-informed, it's best to ask questions rather than display your prejudice.

[Anno]

[...]Anno, you are way out of line. If you're not well-informed, it's best to ask questions rather than display your prejudice.
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I don't have prejudice, Bill. I treat everyone with the same honesty although it is usually quite blunt. And let's be honest there are questions that get asked and never get an answer. If you think I'm out of line I'll shut up about it but I think we both know I'm never far from the truth and it will all be coming out eventually anyway. If I'm wrong I'm happy to be wound up about it for the rest of eternity. =]

[ulli]

I just read the link Bill gave us. It says that the two individuals who are now sueing him both entered his life within a week of one another. This makes me curious about David's astrological chart.
When negative angles such as 90 degrees are formed in a chart
an interdimensional "stargate" opens and lower dimensional forces enter our lives.

Just as his Peru experience must have been the result of positive angles,
lifting him up to find his soul mission,
this time his challengers appeared.

In my view the real test with this is not so much David's
as we all know he is being guided and protected,
but those individuals who work in the legal field and who have to deal with the case.

[bonnyhut]

I thought this was a forum to talk about various topic and
not a place for the solicitation of funds. David has money,
so let him fight his own battles..

Can you see that this particular battle is not just his battle? We are all in this together, mate.... If we do not stand up TOGETHER as nation earth's people and support each other in standing up then we have lost and we can sit back and watch our sovereignty and our children be taken.

[Anno]

I just read the link Bill gave us. It says that the two individuals who are now sueing him both entered his life within a week of one another. This makes me curious about David's astrological chart.
When negative angles such as 90 degrees are formed in a chart
an interdimensional "stargate" opens and lower dimensional forces enter our lives.

Just as his Peru experience must have been the result of positive angles,
lifting him up to find his soul mission,
this time his challengers appeared.

In my view the real test with this is not so much David's
as we all know he is being guided and protected,
but those individuals who work in the legal field and who have to deal with the case.

That tallies in with one of the untold dialogues about the Reptilians and how it was all a big set up to take out David's original message and set him up for a fall, damaging the Truth Movement at the same time.

At first David was all about infinite love and I Am and it was awesome. Early 90's, can't get the books anymore but a lot here remember.

Then Derek Acorah sent him to America to find his Soul Mate and he meets Pamela and Maxwell. (This comes from Pamela and Maxwell's own accounts, find them online). He comes home with all this Reptilian info and a new girlfriend, the people proof reading Children of the Matrix and his wife are all "Wtf has happened to you?" (from their own accounts, find them online) and then David becomes Repto Man. Everyone falls out and David goes on tour with Pamela.

Now she's had enough and she wants paying off and, if she can manage it, she'll take away any chance David has of ever being taken seriously again.

It's all so contrived but the people who talk about it are hidden away in dark recesses and insta-banned from any forum they talk about it on. If people would just be honest and laugh at how daft some of us have been (which is understandable given the things we think and talk about) then everything will be fine. Otherwise you'll find there won't be many people left after 2012 that have credibility and they'll take ours with them. That is what annoys me.

If my frustration comes across as prejudice or hatred then I apologise. I promise I am laughing at how silly we're being and am confident that we'll get past it and everything will be fine in the end. I just wish some of us would hurry up as I'm quite impatient. =]

I've left out the Truth Mafia part and where they come in to it (Pamela being theirs) because I really do like Paul and I don't like to stress him out too much in one day. It's almost the weekend and I'm feeling... ...peaceful.

[Argos]

I have no way to evaluate the veracity of every claim David Icke has made. I will, however, say this. I can not think of one man who stands more exposed before the world. His twenty years of voluminous writings and countless hours of seminars and media interviews seemingly show the guy to be just what he claims himself to be. No politician, no corporate crook could withstand the blistering eye of scrutiny and exposure that Icke willingly, of his own volition, directs toward himself. It would be the easiest thing in the world for him to shut up and put his head down. He could be meely-mouthed and platitudinous like so many public people, but he is not. Whatever else David Icke might be, he is bold. He states his thoughts confidently and always appears willing to debate the merits. More than I could say for scores of others.

[Heyoka_11]

That tallies in with one of the untold dialogues about the Reptilians and how it was all a big set up to take out David's original message and set him up for a fall, damaging the Truth Movement at the same time.

Hello Anno,

I can see quite clearly that you are not motivated by blind prejudice on this issue. You have a good deal of knowledge on David's history, and I am sure that you feel that you have made an accurate assessment of the truth of the matter, and that you are waiting for the penny to drop with others.

For most people, the reptilian aspect of David's work is the hardest to get their heads around, myself included. I was unable to give this subject much credence at all, until David's alliance with Credo Mutwa. Whilst this may not have made a "believer" out of me, it did mean that scoffing at the idea was no longer an option. I had to rate it as "Plausible", as the Mythbusters sometimes do.

Can you please explain where you see Credo Mutwa fitting in here?

[Anno]

[...]Can you please explain where you see Credo Mutwa fitting in here?

I've read both his Zulu Shaman book and Indaba My Children. No mention of Reptilians or Chitauri. He contradicts himself in his interviews. I do, however, feel nothing but good energy coming from him. I believe he is being played and at some point he was what he claims to be.

How many of you recall the video he made saying his necklace had been stolen? What I saw was a confused old man repeating what he'd been told to say by the man milking him for some attention. I have experience working with vulnerable groups and it was just like when a relative tries to convince their dottering parent that they did actually visit last week when they hadn't been for months. Nothing more was ever said about it. And yes, that man was David Icke.

Credo is good in my book but not on the subject of Reptilians. If you want to know more about Zulu culture and mythology I highly reccomend his Zulu Shaman book. Kintu is a legend.

[Fred Steeves]

All I know is, David Icke was hugely responsible for helping break me out of the prison of my very long and deep slumber. I've read most of his books, including the newest one, but it was " Tales from the Timeloop " shortly after I began to start asking the serious questions that really freed my mind and spirit to finally break the surface of the water so to speak, gasping for air after being so helplessly submerged my whole life. I'm proud to stand in his corner any day, regardless of consequences.

THANK YOU DAVID!!!

Cheers,
Fred

[Heyoka_11]

Credo is good in my book but not on the subject of Reptilians.

Thank you for your reply, and also your recommended reading.

Can I suggest reading an interview that took place back in 1999, between Credo and Rick Martin from The Spectrum (newspaper). It's fairly lengthy, but well worth the time taken to read. I would appreciate your feedback.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_credo_mutwa03.htm

It's late down here, so hopefully I will find a reply tomorrow morning.

[Anno]

All I know is, David Icke was hugely responsible for helping break me out of the prison of my very long and deep slumber.[...]

That's true for a lot of people Fred and I know that does a lot of good. I came to him quite late in my journey mostly because people kept saying, "Oh you'd like that David Icke." I do enjoy his books and have bought most of the ones available. Perhaps the main difference is that to me, he's one in a long line of people that have done exactly the same. Many of those have lost their lives and known true sacrifice. The simplest way for me to explain my view is that I see David as a Popstar and now I'm questioning whether it's right to expect him to behave like an Academic. Perhaps that is 'my' problem?


[...]Can I suggest reading an interview that took place back in 1999, between Credo and Rick Martin from The Spectrum (newspaper). It's fairly lengthy, but well worth the time taken to read. I would appreciate your feedback.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_credo_mutwa03.htm
[...]

I'll check it out, ty! =]

[grapevine]

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However, I ..................would advise all concerned to keep both their eyes and minds wide open.

This is so important folks and I see it happening less and less on this forum, which is quite worrying given what we (think we) represent. Certainly the word 'unbiased' springs to mind ...? Judgement and aggression has no place here.

[king anthony]

I say, I do not know the man of topic (including his materials), nor has he done me harm; my points are in general and do not reflect the said person.


Is there anyway he can pursue a Freeman/Trust Law type approach?

I say, do not change or take away that, which does not belong; as well, those who have attempted to manipulate that which does not belong do so within the very system that does not belong - therefore, failure is common (law) - as demonstrated in the below quote. The issue one faces when they make attempt after "the few" impose (example, charge/sue), is that such reliance of true sovereignty must have formal notice given prior to any such described event - to be deemed proper and legitimate.


He would need an army to be a freeman. Thats the problem with it. One of the best freemen in Australia is in jail at the moment - with all his knowledge it did not keep him out... ...Time to wake up!

I say, there cannot be any army of such, for there are none; and evidence of this is seen in the above quote. It is time to "wake up", which means not to have concern of that which does not belong - for anyone who studies "their" ways feeds only ego and accomplishes nothing for they are not "awake".


What would happen if David just told the system to kiss his butt?

I say, unless one has done so properly in the proper time, the slave must remain silent; lest the battle ahead be difficult if not impossible. I refer to this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17297-Ruby-Ridge-Waco-Texas-and-William-Cooper-What-Really-Happened).


I am well aware of the amount of repetition in David's books, as are most people. He writes each new book with the intention that it be the first that someone reads, therefore it must contain material already published in previous books. If all he did was publish a new book, with all new material, it would be pretty light on, and certainly not worth a newcomer buying.

If I may refer to this post in this post in this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30075-The-death-of-Comet-Elenin-a-return-to-rationality&p=305793#post305793).


After sixty years of muck raking, it's been stirred up enough. If you can't see some real results after this long quest... When you rake up too much BS, there comes a huge cloud of toxic fog that envelopes all it touches and as a result no one can see their hand in front of their faces anymore on either side.

I say, simply because words have endured "time" does not qualify; for one can see such with religions, faiths and belief systems as well as with distorted sciences - which simply do not aid with truth and becomes an annoyance to some/most over "time". This differs to truth/fact, as with what the ancients knew and what is hidden today. Mein Kampf (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf), [paraphrased] "tell a lie long enough it becomes the truth" - to make this so, (some) truths/facts need to be present.


Money is just a form of energy, but it's given the status of...

I say, it is not. For it comes from the imagination of those who own it; it is the invisible foe of the masses as it enslaves - all by voluntary acceptance (and compliance) by the masses. It is not money that is "energy" - it is those who give it such and believe it is.


Who can this person be?

I say with another's words, "it is like a finger pointing to the moon".

[Davidallany]

[This is so important folks and I see it happening less and less on this forum, which is quite worrying given what we (think we) represent. Certainly the word 'unbiased' springs to mind ...? Judgement and aggression has no place here
Don't worry w1ndmill, just do your best to help everybody with positive energy or vibes, anything helps, a good thought, a good word, a helping hand, money, or washing somebody's dishes, a pat on the shoulder or hug.

[selinam]

After sixty years of muck raking, it's been stirred up enough. If you can't see some real results after this long quest ~ what makes you think another sixty years of more book tours and speaking engagements will help?

Time to retire and let folks sort this whole mess out for themselves. He's put out enough videos to last people ten lifetimes if placed end to end and it's not enough? I guess some of us are never satisfied and there is a lot of that going around.

When you rake up too much BS, there comes a huge cloud of toxic fog that envelopes all it touches and as a result no one can see their hand in front of their faces anymore on either side. My vote goes to his ex-wife, although the timing might be right for him being an illegitimate child of Queen Elizabeth, she's been accused of everything but this travesty.....so it could be timely, however, it's his ex-wife that is probably what truly did him in and sapped his strength and ability to slander alligators, crocks, and reptiles. At least the ones who do NOT walk on two legs.

And what's up with 15 hours chained to a desk writing yet ANOTHER book? A gun to his head, no doubt? This is self-torture at it's finest. I love you, Tony but it must be teatime by now. Wanna cuppa? Ta ta..for now. I've got litter boxes to empty...and they call him David Icke ; ) xoxox

David Icke is one of the main reasons I have woken up to what's going on in this world. I have never seen any previous solicitation and he only asks if you are able to donate - there is no gun at my head! I think he has done more than most to put the information there for us to see in full view. I'm tired of people putting others down...

[jackovesk]

The Wealth of the Rothschilds could feed,cloth and shelter every human being on this earth.

Bloody murdering genetic hybrids...I give you the Rothschilds.

http://www.davidicke.com/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1WqQi1bEtg&feature=youtu.be

[Cidersomerset]

Hi All ...Don't worry about David he is a man on a mission and as such adversity is part and parcel of the game, and as a ex soccer pro and TV presenter and politition he knows the score more than any of us here.....He is not a academic, though probably knows more what is going on in the world than the vast majority of so called 'academics'. He has said from day one of his 'awakening' that he is on a journey and those who want to go with him are welcome to follow his work and research it themselves.As he says all the time he is a 'dot connector' and journalist.He has had many critics in the past and as he has been exposing the 'Biggest Secrets' of the world will get many more. His biggest achievement to date imho is waking up millions of people to events/histories we would never have dreamed of.He would be the first one to admit not all his claims are right and he adjusts with new research and infomation as we all should and do. I submit if their is anyone in the alternate community that does not reasonate with any of Davids vast portfolio of work you are in the wrong community.

That is not to so you cannot disagree with parts , as he says he is a messenger and connector of events.Some agendas are predictable hence his phrase 'Problem Reaction Sollution' and the twenty years study into this vast subject must give him a insight to the world the envy of any Oxbridge or Harvard proffessor though they would not acknowledge him.Remember he has had many ups and downs on his road for truth so don't count him out yet...

He is a very brave man.......How many people stand up to Pharma/Banksters/Polititions/Royals!!!

CmCcU9jFilA

He is bound to attract enemies and cranks....Cheer Steve

[Omni]

I hope David can overcome this... I'll try and find something to donate...

[Heyoka_11]

I hope David can overcome this... I'll try and find something to donate...

That's the spirit Omni!

Just a little; if everybody gives just a little. ;)

[loveandgratitude]

The wealth of the Rothschilds could feed,cloth and shelter every human being on this earth.Bloody murdering genetic hybrids...I give you the Rothschilds.
http://www.davidicke.com/



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1WqQi1bEtg&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1WqQi1bEtg&feature=youtu.be

[Anno]

Credo is good in my book but not on the subject of Reptilians.

Thank you for your reply, and also your recommended reading.

Can I suggest reading an interview that took place back in 1999, between Credo and Rick Martin from The Spectrum (newspaper). It's fairly lengthy, but well worth the time taken to read. I would appreciate your feedback.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_credo_mutwa03.htm

It's late down here, so hopefully I will find a reply tomorrow morning.

Morning Heyoka!

Off topic so I'll be brief (although it is your topic):

That interview is an excellent source to see the real picture of Credo. Ty for the reccomendation, I think everyone should read it.

You have a guy who is an awesome story teller who really loves his country and is trying to get the outside world to see what is going on. After a long and well known career as an author in Africa, noone outside is listening. Then along come these Reptilians. In my opinion he is telling people what they want to hear so he can also slip in what he needs them to hear. The real plight of today's African nations.

The first thing he does is ask for the newspaper to send someone to Rwanda. There are no reptilians in Rwanda, just mass genocide.

He then does what he does and tells the guy the stories his audience want to hear so he can then talk about the real issues facing his people today. I had no idea about that king that got killed like Diana.

In terms of evidence for Reptilians, there is none. It's just myth and if someone tried to use our own native myths as proof (by taking them as literal accounts) they'd be ignored. We know they're symbolic. A person described with a reptilian tail is someone that has a character attribute symbolised by the reptilian tale. Most likey connected to earlier stories that explain where it comes from.

As these myths are new to us and come from a different culture, the suggestion is being made to take them literally and some seem to do just that. There is no evidence only stories and hearsay. He also connects himself with Sitchin even though most of us now know that Sitchin channelled his info and pretended to have translated it.

In terms of information about the real issues of Africa and also the mythology in it's own right (always useful to add a new set of symbols and see how people deal with the universal stories), it's a very rich interview and well worth everyone reading.

The irony is that the people who should learn about the mythology and real issues won't read it because it's stamped with Repto. The people who will read it are too busy seeing what they want to be there to take any notice of what is actually there and far more valuable to humanity than some idea of Reptilian Humanoids responsible for all the ills of mankind.

I still think Credo is awesome. =]

[Fred Steeves]

Anno, maybe you should start a thread about the credibility of David Icke and Credo Mutwa, as you obviously have very strong opinions on the matter. However, the theme of THIS thread is to help David Icke, not to debunk him, or Credo Mutwa.

Cheers,
Fred

[Heyoka_11]

Anno, maybe you should start a thread about the credibility of David Icke and Credo Mutwa, as you obviously have very strong opinions on the matter. However, the theme of THIS thread is to help David Icke, not to debunk him, or Credo Mutwa.

Cheers,
Fred

Hi Fred,

We have drifted off topic a bit I know, and Anno has acknowledged this in his last post, but as the OP, I am happy for that to have happened. Yes, he does have very strong opinions on this subject, and he is more than entitled to them, and I for one appreciate his input. Our exchange has also served as useful bumps!

It's all good man! :cool:

[Heyoka_11]

I still think Credo is awesome.

Now on that point you will find no objection on this thread! (that I am aware of anyway)

Thanks for taking the time to read that transcript too; it is a goody, and as you have suggested, well worth others having a read as well.

I understand that your opinions have been formed after both careful and indepth consideration of David's and Credo's history and motives. You know the subject very well, quite possibly better than most, myself included. Nonetheless, we have simply drawn different conclusions, and it's a healthy exchange where we can disagree without trying to convince the other that they are wrong. It is however, in my opinion, about time that we let it go through to the keeper.

Time will tell I'm sure, and I hope that we can catch up on this subject down the track.

Best Wishes,

Tony.

Dang!........Who's gonna' bump this thread now?

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Bill just read the link you put up, I knew he had been ripped off by his ex business partner afew years ago it was brought up on one of his radio interviews. The ex wife scorned one is new.

This is the part of this field that does not resinate with me...Pamala is what I'd call a 'Flower Power Patsie ' I just listened to this interview, some of which may be based on Davids works the rest is just generic free your minds and wishy washy day dreams. I have heard her on one of Kerries shows before , and she has her own path to follow.I obviously don't know her personaly so can't judge on what grounds she feels so agrieved about her ex husband.Whether her motives are genuine or bourne out of jeaulousy or greed we will have to wait and see.Most divorces are messy though it seems odd for someone supposedly a free spirit like Pamala portays below. It makes me wonder why would she would want to sabatage his message for financial gain if she is on her own spiritual journey??...Cheers Steve

11YOWiCHAAk

Hmmm !!!!!!!

tZAXlILARJQ

[Limor Wolf]

Originally posted by Heyoka_11:"Dang!........Who's gonna' bump this thread now? "

I will try to do my best :p


originally posted by Anno:
"There are no reptilians in Rwanda, just mass genocide.

He then does what he does and tells the guy the stories his audience want to hear so he can then talk about the real issues facing his people today. I had no idea about that king that got killed like Diana.

In terms of evidence for Reptilians, there is none. It's just myth and if someone tried to use our own native myths as proof (by taking them as literal accounts) they'd be ignored. We know they're symbolic. A person described with a reptilian tail is someone that has a character attribute symbolised by the reptilian tale. Most likey connected to earlier stories that explain where it comes from."

This is a serious matter for me. In the middle of 2006 a couple of month after I had my wake up call (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13633-Our-x-factor) and my initial conscious conatct has began ,and before I knew anything at all about what is happening in the world,I had an experience (some may say it was my "dark night of the soul" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Night_of_the_Soul) ):
It happend as follows - I was pulled out from a dream in the middle of the night,I opened my eyes and found hanging right above my face a black vicious entity staring at me with the most hatefull expression,it looked semi-dense and had the most horrible vibration I could ever feel,I immediatly felt terrorized and could not move out of MY fear,the feeling in the room was extremly cold and I felt like my life energy is being sucked away from me,the last thought in my head was that I will probably be found dead in my bed.. I tried to talk to myself in my mind saying-"this is not real,this is not real,it must be a dream.." however this 'creature' was there staring at my face. I have no idea how I gathered the courage (maybe by knowing that I have nothing to lose) to close my eyes and rub it with both my hands for a few seconds and when I opened it ,this monstrous entity was still there.
At this point something changed in me and I started to attack it with words and the storm of my emotions through my mind and order it to get lost! I reacted fiuriously as if a burgler has entered my house only much more frightening.It disappeard

I had a few cases with shadow people or incubus before and I knew this is not it.

I turned on all the lights at home and in the next couple of days I was searching franticly on the internet to try and find what the hell it was.only two weeks later in an interesting synchronicity and via another link,I have bumped into a picture that was the exact image of the 'unwelcomed visitor',under it ,it said - reptelian.

I definatly can relate to the thousands that listen to Icke and similar others who speak about reptelians and rolling their eyes and Wringing their hands in despair,I really do!

But to me,that was what made me 'believe' that this is NOT some sort of a fiction or invented fantasy to the benefit of someone... when a couple of months later I encountered Icke's material,Jordan maxwell's ,sitchin's etc. I already was very open minded to recieve this reality.

Of course this is far from being an evidence,but I read Anno's response above,said with such a conviction! and although I am quite busy at work,I felt the urge to contribute some 'food for thought' to this controversial subject.

~*&^~*

Limor

[mahalall]

Uncoil the serpent within and David will find you.

His there to help and guide,

at the very least spare a little thought of love.

[Jake]

Originally posted by Heyoka_11:"Dang!........Who's gonna' bump this thread now? "

I will try to do my best :p


originally posted by Anno:
"There are no reptilians in Rwanda, just mass genocide.

He then does what he does and tells the guy the stories his audience want to hear so he can then talk about the real issues facing his people today. I had no idea about that king that got killed like Diana.

In terms of evidence for Reptilians, there is none. It's just myth and if someone tried to use our own native myths as proof (by taking them as literal accounts) they'd be ignored. We know they're symbolic. A person described with a reptilian tail is someone that has a character attribute symbolised by the reptilian tale. Most likey connected to earlier stories that explain where it comes from."

This is a serious matter for me. In the middle of 2006 a couple of month after I had my wake up call (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13633-Our-x-factor) and my initial conscious conatct has began ,and before I knew anything at all about what is happening in the world,I had an experience (some may say it was my "dark night of the soul" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Night_of_the_Soul) ):
It happend as follows - I was pulled out from a dream in the middle of the night,I opened my eyes and found hanging right above my face a black vicious entity staring at me with the most hatefull expression,it looked semi-dense and had the most horrible vibration I could ever feel,I immediatly felt terrorized and could not move out of MY fear,the feeling in the room was extremly cold and I felt like my life energy is being sucked away from me,the last thought in my head was that I will probably be found dead in my bed.. I tried to talk to myself in my mind saying-"this is not real,this is not real,it must be a dream.." however this 'creature' was there staring at my face. I have no idea how I gathered the courage (maybe by knowing that I have nothing to lose) to close my eyes and rub it with both my hands for a few seconds and when I opened it ,this monstrous entity was still there.
At this point something changed in me and I started to attack it with words and the storm of my emotions through my mind and order it to get lost! I reacted fiuriously as if a burgler has entered my house only much more frightening.It disappeard

I had a few cases with shadow people or incubus before and I knew this is not it.

I have put on the lights at home and in the next couple of days I was searching franticly on the internet to try and find what the hell it was.only two weeks later in an interesting synchronicity and via another link,I have bumped into a picture that was the exact image of the 'unwelcomed visitor',under it ,it said-reptelian.

I definatly can relate to the thousands that listen to Icke and similar others who speak about reptelians and rolling their eyes and Wringing their hands,I really do!

But to me,that was what made me 'believe' that this is NOT some sort of a fiction or invented fantasy to the benefit of someone... when a couple of months later I encountered Icke's material,Jordan maxwell's ,sitchin's etc. I already was very open minded to recieve this reality.

Of course this is far from being an evidence,but I read Anno's response above,said with such a conviction and although I am quite busy at work,I felt the urge to contribute some food for thought to this controversial subject.

~*&^~*

Limor

You are an amazing being, Limor. Thanks for sharing. Standing in your own power is the key. It is a tough one to learn. First hand experience with these creatures is rare. I used to call them 'the denizens', long before I had ever heard of David Icke. When I hear Icke speak about them, I find myself shaking my own head. Not in disbelief, but in amazement that this man has the courage to take on these denizens. They are REAL! There has been a condition of control that has served them well. That is changing. The human experience is peaking out of 'the box'. And these denizens are furious. It is not in keeping with their agenda. They cannot directly effect our free will, but they can play on our weaknesses and create the conditions that will make us decide for ourselves that we want to continue to live 'in the box'. These are the controls of government, religion, and science. They use fear as their most potent weapon. It is not theory, it is true.

For now, they can continue to hide in the shadows. But as the light of our world brightens,,, they are left with less and less shadow to hide in. Shine your light. We are winning.... Love ya, Jake.

[Carmody]

I just read the link Bill gave us. It says that the two individuals who are now sueing him both entered his life within a week of one another. This makes me curious about David's astrological chart.
When negative angles such as 90 degrees are formed in a chart
an interdimensional "stargate" opens and lower dimensional forces enter our lives.

Just as his Peru experience must have been the result of positive angles,
lifting him up to find his soul mission,
this time his challengers appeared.

In my view the real test with this is not so much David's
as we all know he is being guided and protected,
but those individuals who work in the legal field and who have to deal with the case.

David's birth info is in your thread on astrology, I contributed it (if accurate...) in the first 10 pages or so.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Misinformation... and people who like to be sure in their opinions and understandings..that is what the 'bad guys' like. They like people to disrupt the 'thought process' of duality beings like humans.

Thought or consciousness change is one of the items on Nikolai Kozyrev's list of 'things that have influence on aether flow'.

Therefore, interrupting the thought processes and stability of thought of individuals and thus groups, is critical function for purposes and aims of 'what is hiding in the backdrop'. (Page 6 of the 'soul harvester' thread)

Those who are certain in their mind ...will win - Those who are certain in their mind ...will fail.

Both statements are true, discernment is key. Discernment attached to subtlety and quality of discourse. High level discourse involves no blunt animalistic pejoratives (overtones and connectivity--ie bluntness and indicative slurs - negativity). Otherwise it tears the level of discourse and thought process down. It is not a matter of language or writing skills, it is a matter of depth of intent and one's connection to the world and how they work it.

We are supposed to be moving into a clear and conscious duality state. Doing such involves the understanding that our thoughts are connected to this space we are moving to -and to not understand that we bring disturbance to the energetic directions we pursue..to not understand how important it is to not take on 'bad information' and use it for 'disruption of others or the self' --this is key. This is key to understanding the heart of the issue.

We are hung by our doubts and uncertainty, and thus our rising fears and weaknesses; we are not using our heads or our strength.

So people, keep your negativity to yourself, clear it on your own, never bring it to this forum.

The moment you allow yourself to do such things, you tear US down, not just yourself, and that, as an act, would be pure animal monkey function, ego function.....ego function trying to take your future from you, from us, from all of us.

And this last thing, this is the first thing, the very thing that you must clear yourself from, and not injure the world and the self anew ---by and through the animal inside - that tries to drive.

[sygh]

Wow, a life-time of studies. A life-time of toil. And this is what meets him at the top of the hill. A noble cause, David being the first wake-up call for so many.

Well, I am broke. $7.45@hr * 24 hrs = the bigger picture.

[ulli]

David's birth info is in your thread on astrology, I contributed it (if accurate...) in the first 10 pages or so.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Fingers are sore from scrolling. Can't find it.
Also can't seem to get the search engine to spit it out,
not even using the Advanced search. Never mind.
Must take care here not to become too obsessive compulsive.

I have too much to do, and am too adicted to Avalon already.
tried watching the video with David's ex wife Pamela.
Letting that go, too. It's private business.
While I find it saddening that people can't get along
I also realize that much has to do with not guarding one's own health and balance
and taking time off for rest once one hits the international level where tons of people make demands all the time.
Bill Ryan is experiencing that here.
So what David is experiencing with his fame growing by leaps and bounds has just led to the inevitable.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello,

I don't have first hand experience with "reptilian entities" but I think I should say that David Icke is not the source I've learned of such entities. He rather just confirmed and brought arguments to some information that I already had from a Romanian author: Ayana Havah. That is by no means evidence of anything but just a coincidence that this information appears from multiple sources. Later on Emil Streinu (a Romanian author that I respect) has related a report from a friend of his that also has seen these "reptilians". Of course this is another "third hand" story, but the point I try to make is that the "replitians" are not a David Icke thing. He was just the only brave enough to talk about it.

And let's be honest for a moment, if we accept the reality of other life forms, other entities (alien or not from Earth) why could they not be reptilian? or insectoid? or crystalline for that matter... why not be open to that, and instead claim that for sure "reptilians do not exist".

[ThePythonicCow]

David's birth info is in your thread on astrology, I contributed it (if accurate...) in the first 10 pages or so.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Fingers are sore from scrolling. Can't find it.
Hmm ... my obsessive fact researching is at risk of feeding Ulli's obsessive astrology charting.

An advanced search for posts by Carmody containing the words "David Vaughan Icke" finds it: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?25260-Astrology-as-a-Know-Yourself-tool&p=263320&viewfull=1#post263320

Hopefully Ulli can manage her obsessions better than I just did, and will happily ignore this post :).

[ulli]

All I will say is Wow, what a chart!
It explains everything.
Thanks for your help, Paul.
More later.

[grapevine]

So ..... what is in store for him Ulli? What do you see ....?

[king anthony]

In terms of evidence for Reptilians, there is none. It's just myth and if someone tried to use our own native myths as proof (by taking them as literal accounts) they'd be ignored. We know they're symbolic. A person described with a reptilian tail is someone that has a character attribute symbolised by the reptilian tale. Most likey connected to earlier stories that explain where it comes from.

I say, your words cannot be further from the truth; they are real, flesh and blood; this is not theory, a belief or such nonsense - I speak firsthand.

[Marianne]

I think David will rise above this challenge, that he will show what he's made of as a result of this.

Having overcome it, I think it will be his finest moment, and I am holding him in a triumphant light.

All love,
Marianne

[sandy]

Dear Darla,

Just have to say very surprised by your post, so different from most of the others I have read about acceptance, compassion, etc. :(

[Sierra]

<sitting down to wait for ulli :hug: ... >

<leaping up> Ulli! Are you going to tell us what you found here or on your Astrology thread?

Sierra

[Flash]

G'day Everyone,

Please read the latest update that I just received from David Icke's site.

David Icke is facing a double legal challenge to everything he is now so successfully and incredibly achieving worldwide. Can you help to ensure that his work continues?

9907

The other legal case is the extraordinary 'libel' action brought against David by Canada's Richard Warman who has a policy of what he calls 'maximum disruption' - setting out to cause maximum disruption to the lives of those that he targets. The case began in 2002 - yes, 2002 - and it has been continuing ever since with a final trial date in the process of being decided. The legal bill for preparation and trial has been estimated at a high six-digit figure.

Tony. [/B] ;)

If I am not mistaken, this is the case of "hate speech" that has been brought against David. Canadian law has a "hate speech" law that is often used mainly by the Jewish Zionists and very rich people support it (I haven't heard of any other group having used it, but I might be mistaken). If someone is known as being pervertly abusing the system through endless procedure, in Canada, as it may be the case with someone saying that he has no limits, the pursuer could be declared "Querulent" in the Canadian meaniing or abusing the law, and his cause could be declare irrecevable. It seems to be such a case. However, because of the lobby supporting the cause, I doubt that he will have any judge on his side.

[king anthony]

If I am not mistaken, this is the case of "hate speech" that has been brought against David. Canadian law has a "hate speech" law that is often used mainly by the Jewish Zionists and very rich people support it (I haven't heard of any other group having used it, but I might be mistaken.

This is a documentary regarding the person of topic and (corporate) Canada.

*POST ADDITION*

There is a recent video of the lawyer who threw the pie (see video to understand) and he admits his wrong.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3579677105102462999#

The below video ties into the second half of the quote indirectly; Dr. Tony Martin begins speaking at 10:12 minutes.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EByk0kVl9zA

I share the above as it relates to the topic of discussion and clarify that it may not reflect, in part or in full, me.

[Anno]

In terms of evidence for Reptilians, there is none. It's just myth and if someone tried to use our own native myths as proof (by taking them as literal accounts) they'd be ignored. We know they're symbolic. A person described with a reptilian tail is someone that has a character attribute symbolised by the reptilian tale. Most likey connected to earlier stories that explain where it comes from.

I say, your words cannot be further from the truth; they are real, flesh and blood; this is not theory, a belief or such nonsense - I speak firsthand.

I'm not saying they don't exist. The potential for Reptilian Humanoids to exist is equal to the potential for Mammalian Humanoids to exist. That is simple logic. What I do say is that there is no evidence beyond hearsay and a very large proportion of those who promote this Repto Agenda are seriously dodgy and can all be traced back to the mid 90's and Theosophy.

[king anthony]

I'm not saying they don't exist. The potential for Reptilian Humanoids to exist is equal to the potential for Mammalian Humanoids to exist. That is simple logic. What I do say is that there is no evidence beyond hearsay and a very large proportion of those who promote this Repto Agenda are seriously dodgy and can all be traced back to the mid 90's and Theosophy.

In brief, I say, aside from others relying on the words of another (hearsay), there are those who give firsthand (witness) account of encounters with this species. This applies to any topic, of "mainstream knowledge" (such as, no one should be dying of anything in modern times) and things of "non-mainstream knowledge" (such as, using common language, ETs and UFOs).

Why is it that even with witness testimony (official and not), people cannot accept the truth/facts of modern day events (pick any in modern history). However, people do accept the hearsay of modern day events (such as published official reports or mainstream media) as fact; if it were not for some, on various topics, attempting to expose, there would be no discussion of such events.

The "rule of standard" imposes that "what one does to one side must also do to the other", meaning the same standard should be imposed. Through social conditioning, double standards are imposed by each daily from major social topics to individual lives. As well, "the few" (the elite/ruling class) impose "do as I say and not as I do", which in itself a double standard.

"The few" have confused everything for the masses and the masses perpetuate such through their own conditioning. This also keeps the masses in a perpetual state of seeking and learning, as the masses bounce from one falsehood to another as nothing makes sense in the big picture.

This ties into how, in modern civilization, people are conditioned to believe that everyone is entitled to their opinion, belief, reality, thought and so forth; while (falsely) empowering each in being correct, while making claim "no one actually knows". This does not only blind the masses to the one truth but it also discredits each (other) before anything is even stated.

When one steps forward and says, "I have witnessed __________", others confuse this as hearsay and deem it not creditable, questionable, only a perception or even as another's own reality. Therefore I say, when one speaks of "things being possible", [quote] "The potential for Reptilian... to exist.", after the fact one gives testimony, and possibly some evidence is insulting to human intelligence on many levels (towards all participants in discussion and those not).

Simply because one has not experienced something does not mean it is not so. How would this work if soldiers, who rely on the words of another in warning of enemy movement, questions each other on the information given!? Soldiers are taught to trust each other - while the masses are taught to distrust each other. For a soldier (as each in daily living) there is one truth, as each experiences the one reality - the actual engagement during combat; I am not addressing the why they may be in combat (such as false flag operations).

I say, speak and believe what you will, for faith, beliefs and such is for feel good; and my words (only speaking for myself) do not make me feel good (indifferent), they do not belong to me as I have not made them up, they are of no benefit to me nor am I emotionally attached (as beliefs are). I share to aid and promote others to seek the truth/facts on their own by (for example) cross-referencing (true) historical facts.

I say, reptilians do exist and I dare say, at the risk of sounding insane - I know this firsthand as a witness.

In closing, "you" (and others) speak of "hearsay" and attribute this to being something of question - yet, who (example, here in the forum) has not spoken the words of another, relied on the words of another and sought the words of another, in book or video - and relayed (shared) another's thought in one way or another!? Maybe this is because they have been qualified by yet another of the same - another form of social conditioning!?

[Bill Ryan]

If I'm wrong I'm happy to be wound up about it for the rest of eternity. =]

You don't have to be wound up about it for the rest of eternity! :)

But yes, you are wrong.

[crested-duck]

I personally feel king anthony's last post is 100% correct and very well expressed. This has been a interesting thread to say the least. I've gained what I consider valuable insight to this reality from DI over the past few years of my awakening. I wish him well with these obstacles.I have'nt hit the thanks button on each and every post but I want to thank everybody right now for your contributions !

[DeDukshyn]

In terms of evidence for Reptilians, there is none. It's just myth and if someone tried to use our own native myths as proof (by taking them as literal accounts) they'd be ignored. We know they're symbolic. A person described with a reptilian tail is someone that has a character attribute symbolised by the reptilian tale. Most likey connected to earlier stories that explain where it comes from.

I say, your words cannot be further from the truth; they are real, flesh and blood; this is not theory, a belief or such nonsense - I speak firsthand.

I'm not saying they don't exist. The potential for Reptilian Humanoids to exist is equal to the potential for Mammalian Humanoids to exist. That is simple logic. What I do say is that there is no evidence beyond hearsay and a very large proportion of those who promote this Repto Agenda are seriously dodgy and can all be traced back to the mid 90's and Theosophy.

I traced reptilians back to ancient Sumeria via their scriptures and glyphs (well I didn't personally, but was able to research the works of those who did), much further back than the 90's ... and not relating to theosophy. But it may well be that a large portion can be traced back to where you say and be dodgy ... just because a crazy man says the sky is blue doesn't make it a crazy statement.

[MMA_Fan]

Hell of an interesting story with Icke.

Here's a man who goes through a very strange subjective experience (You would have to have a heart of stone if you don't feel for him during 'that' interview with Wogan), which leaves him searching for answers to them this very day.

Having bought (and enjoyed) his books and attended his lectures for a while now - I can honestly say I like the bloke. I don't rate him as a researcher though.
Granted, he travels a lot listening to local legends and modern eyewitness accounts but gets a lot of other data from pseudo researchers as well.

Like a lot of us do he looks for patterns and links in things which have no relation. Humans do it by default as we are pattern recognizing beings.
He has also said time and again something to the tune of: 'If people don't like what I am saying about them then take me to court'. Well, this time a couple of people are taking him to court.

We don't know what went on with him and the missus. If she just wants money because she :couch2: then that is definitely out of order.

BTW: If people are feeling donation happy then can I ask you to consider the miners fund (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/fund-created-to-help-miner-families-2356389.html) for the four family men killed in wales this week whilst working in the mines?

Cheers.

[Tangri]

As the update said, we are going to be taken aback, indeed shocked, when we find out. So who knows.............just may be.

It's his ex-wife, Pamela Richards. When the whole story comes out, a lot of people really will be shocked.

Read this...

http://consciousmedianetwork.blogspot.com/2010/08/david-icke-beleaguered-warrior.html

... which says all you need to know.

I stand with David in everything he does. He's as tough as it gets and would not have posted this request for help if he was not in serious danger of being unable to continue his work.

Anno, you are way out of line. If you're not well-informed, it's best to ask questions rather than display your prejudice.


What I learned from this life is " keep your pants up" if you do not want trouble.

[Heyoka_11]

Yesterdays David Icke lecture.

G'day All,

Yesterday will remain one of the most memorable days I have experienced in a very long time. I met up with Double Helix before the event kicked off, and I let him choose where we parked ourselves. Once seated, we started nattering about the forum, and our words caught the attention of the fellow sitting in front of us, who turned to acknowledge our words. It was Etheric Underground. As I mentioned, freaky! So three Avalonians were sat together almost dead centre in the theatre. That was at 08:30 in the morning, and by 07:30 in the evening, we were done (and so was my rear end!).

To see the energy that David puts into his presentations is to understand that he is 100% dinkum (for real). What a warrior he is! Actually, while trying to think of what to write next, I am painfully aware of the fact that words just don't do this justice. Sure, there are plenty of tireless souls that devote there lives to worthwhile causes, often involving great personal sacrifice, but to hear of the adversity and public humiliation that David suffered, and knowing that he never lost faith in the mission that he had been given, well, words fail me. This bloke is a true universal soldier, and will one day be hailed as a prophet / visionary / hero, whatever; and he is as humble as the winter's grass is green.

I was surprised to hear that the physic who originally informed David of the path he would take in life was Betty Shine. I had been in contact with Betty many years ago, after my Mother suffered a stroke. To hear of her predictions for David, the experience that he had in Peru, and what was related to him whilst in an ayahuasca trance in 2003 in Brazil, is to know that he is guided from another dimension for a very real and supremely necessary purpose. Further, having previously posted my status as a fence sitter on the reptilian agenda, I now lean more toward the affirmative, as I do not think that he would have been allowed to get this wrong.

I did not hear a great deal that was new to me, but to have it delivered in one complete, wham bang, sock it to your third eye event was almost too much to handle! After the event, I chatted briefly with a couple of young blokes (probably uni students) who were literally gasping for breath!

He made no mention of the legal problems that prompted this tread, and did not ask for assistance of any kind. He just made the most amazing four by two hour presentation that I have ever witnessed, and I can guarantee you that the all assembled (with the exception of the government plants of course) were blown away.

If you know that he is heading your way, and you have not yet bought tickets, please consider doing so, as his rheumatoid arthritis isn't getting any better, so who knows how much longer he'll be able to keep this up.

Personally, I thank God for David Icke.

Best Wishes to you all,

Tony

[Anno]

[...]The "rule of standard" imposes that "what one does to one side must also do to the other", meaning the same standard should be imposed.[...]

I wouldn't call people who say they've seen them liars. If they believe they saw a reptilian and I can see no obvious (financial) reason for them to lie then I believe them. That doesn't imply that I believe they saw a shape shifting space reptile or a satanic pedophile reptile or any of the other kinds that are meant to be out there.
The modern rule of Standard is (sadly) Picture or it didn't happen.
Given the ever increasing number of claimant contactees, I have to ask, why are there no photographs? You mention other fields and in each of these there is at least some evidence. Even Bigfoot has left a few hairs behind and we all know how many crazy artifacts Cremo has documented for Devolution Theory.
If anyone ever presents any evidence that physical reptilian humanoids do exist on this planet then awesome.

My own personal belief on this subject is closest to Spiritism (not spiritualism) and that what people are seeing manifesting as Reptilians are not the true physical reptilian humanoids that some claim exist here and do in all probability exist somewhere. There is evidence they did once exist here before us Mammalians and were created as a 'first human'.

Failing that, the explanation that makes the most sense to me is that some unknown Spirit form is manifesting as a Reptilian and further, the whole Reptilian Agenda (being mostly from channelled sources) is created by Spirits to freak people out and feed off them. I think that actually sounds nuttier than believing they exist in the first place, but there you go. =]

[Carmody]

Anno, we've been through this before.

You are not psychic, at all, IIRC.

Therefore, you have no experiences in this area. zero. Nada. Zip.

Like a blind man trying to tell everyone else that colors cannot exist ---It is akin to that sort of reasoning.

However... I will say that anyone who is psychic does not want anything like a reptilian to exist, whether they 'believe' in such or not. If said reptilian be 'evil' toward humans, that is.

[aranuk]

Would someone explain what IIRC means? So I can follow the drift.

Stan

[Heyoka_11]

Would someone explain what IIRC means? So I can follow the drift.

Stan

G'day Stan,

IIRC = If I recall correctly.

Just google these acronyms. "Urban Dictionary" has them all. ;)

[Marianne]

Would someone explain what IIRC means? So I can follow the drift.

Stan

Perhaps the acronym 'if I recall correctly' -- seems to fit.

[Heyoka_11]

Would someone explain what IIRC means? So I can follow the drift.

Stan

Perhaps the acronym 'if I recall correctly' -- seems to fit.

Hah! I beat you to it Toots!

Nyuk nyuk!

[Marianne]

Would someone explain what IIRC means? So I can follow the drift.

Stan

Perhaps the acronym 'if I recall correctly' -- seems to fit.

Hah! I beat you to it Toots!

Nyuk nyuk!

But I got the last word. :p

[Anno]

[...]Like a blind man trying to tell everyone else that colors cannot exist ---It is akin to that sort of reasoning.[...]

Carmody, Heyoka and King Anthony addressed me directly so I replied. Heyoka made it clear that they're happy for the bumps and quite a few people made it clear I should stfu about Icke, which I have. All I am telling people is what I think, which is what I always do. I don't normally get told off for it. I don't care who beleives me or not so please don't make out like I'm evangelising.

Oh and btw, I believe we're all psychic naturally. The real measure should be how unpsychic we've become.

Bump. =]

[aranuk]

Would someone explain what IIRC means? So I can follow the drift.

Stan

Perhaps the acronym 'if I recall correctly' -- seems to fit.

Hah! I beat you to it Toots!

Nyuk nyuk!

Heyoka what does Nyuk mean? You kids are trying to confuse me eh?:eek: IIRC you were first weren't you Heyoka_11?


Stan

PS what's the friggin' name o' this thread again ?

[Heyoka_11]

IIRC you were first weren't you Heyoka_11?

Thank you Stan; quite correct. You appear to have got the hang of that one quite nicely.

As for Nyuk......Can I suggest googling "Curly Howard", as in the Three Stooges! It's an Heyoka versus Junebug thing. :rolleyes:

:focus:

Carmody, with all respect, please do not address Anno in a demeaning manner, as you are capable of better than that. Off-topic frivolity is one thing, but topical angst is best avoided. :)

[king anthony]

I wouldn't call people who say they've seen them liars. If they believe they saw... I believe they saw a shape shifting space reptile or a ... The modern rule of Standard is (sadly) Picture or it didn't happen... My own personal belief on this subject is closest to Spiritism (not spiritualism) and that what people are seeing manifesting as Reptilians are not the true physical reptilian humanoids that some claim exist here and do in all probability exist somewhere... Failing that, the explanation that makes the most sense to me is that some unknown Spirit form is manifesting...

I say, when one seeks to dissect they will see what they wish, usually for comfort. If one was to say they had seen a waterfall, is that a belief or fact, assuming they did see one. The concept of shape-shifting is what has been imposed and is not actual fact; I have spoken plenty on this in previous threads/posts - at times, the species have the ability to project (this is where such thought of possession comes) and this is what is seen; other times what is seen is "flesh and blood". As for evidence, I refer to the following post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30446-Consumer-Report-Alert-Deceptive-Practices-at-Atticus1&p=308993#post308993).



"When one gives a story - another may say, "but if there was a photo". When one gives a photo - another may say, "but if there was a video". When one gives a video - another may say, "but if there was tangible evidence". When one gives tangible evidence - another may say, "but if there was more". When one gives more - another may say, "this has to be a fraud, for this is too perfect". When one offers samples - another may say, "but if there was a story".

When one experiences and another is witness - another may say, "I seek an explanation, for this cannot be". "

Personal belief systems are what hinders one to seek truth and accept it - and this is what has contributed to this discussion not being productive. The species are flesh and blood, as are other species; the mysticism imposed, meaning the concept of "spirits", was accepted in times when ability to comprehend what was being witnessed (not hearsay) was not understood . This thought become fundamental, sacred in belief systems, thus becoming what makes the masses feel good. The species of topic exist here as they have been here all the long - long before the human species. I say, to make one's own limitations the problem of another, such as by imposing it, does not aid but perpetuates what is common in this civilization.

[king anthony]

...does not want anything like a reptilian to exist, whether they 'believe' in such or not. If said reptilian be 'evil' toward humans, that is.

If I may add, the species like any other, are simply trying to survive and looking after their own best interests - do not human beings do the same with other species!? Do not human beings do the same within the human species!?

The species of topic have mistrust towards human beings and at times even with each other; why exactly this is, I am not sure and keeping with presenting facts (as I have been) I will not give speculation.

There is no "good" or "bad" (evil) for things are what they are; the label of these words truly does depend on perspective - "if animals had theology, human beings would be the devil".

[humanalien]

I thought this was a forum to talk about various topic and
not a place for the solicitation of funds. David has money,
so let him fight his own battles..

If you take the time (perhaps you already have), to read the posts on this thread, you may note that the conversation thus far has focused on the legal challenges he is up against, and not on the solicitation for funds.

Yep. You are correct. Thanks for pointing that out.
I seen the mention of using paypal but i forgot to
check for the link, so i assumed it was there..

Hope you don't beat me with those wild carrots. lol

[Heyoka_11]

I thought this was a forum to talk about various topic and
not a place for the solicitation of funds. David has money,
so let him fight his own battles..

If you take the time (perhaps you already have), to read the posts on this thread, you may note that the conversation thus far has focused on the legal challenges he is up against, and not on the solicitation for funds.

Yep. You are correct. Thanks for pointing that out.
I seen the mention of using paypal but i forgot to
check for the link, so i assumed it was there..

Hope you don't beat me with those wild carrots. lol

I was wondering where you had got to, and thanks for getting back to me.

No need to worry about the carrots; they are Lord Sidious' weapon of choice, not mine!

[humanalien]

I thought this was a forum to talk about various topic and
not a place for the solicitation of funds. David has money,
so let him fight his own battles..

Can you see that this particular battle is not just his battle? We are all in this together, mate.... If we do not stand up TOGETHER as nation earth's people and support each other in standing up then we have lost and we can sit back and watch our sovereignty and our children be taken.

Listen Up:

I mistakenly thought someone was begging for money to
help david pay his legal fee's. I now know i was wrong
in that assumption.

I think david is a stand up guy and does a lot to further
our understanding of many things. I do appreciate that.

If the only reason why upset with me, is because of the
money issue, then get over it.

David has money coming out of his ears and for someone
to even suggest that people should send him money is
really lame. If he was to run out of money fighting his
legal cases, then i would be all for helping him out, but
not until then.

I don't know what people's money situation is like in the UK
but here in the states, things are getting really tuff right now
and i prefer to food to just giving away my money....

David sells his books, his video's and is payed to give lectures,
so you tell me that he doesn't have money.

[Heyoka_11]

Listen Up

If you have not done so already, please take the time to read the blog which is linked in Bill Ryan's post #38 on this thread.

Thanks.

[Heyoka_11]

Personal belief systems are what hinders one to seek truth and accept it - and this is what has contributed to this discussion not being productive.

G'day king anthony,

First up, thanks for your contributions to this thread, and adding to what has been at times a lively debate.

I agree wholeheartedly with your words that I have quoted above, and would appreciate your thoughts on the following:

The more that I learn, and accept as the truth (knowledge), the more that I realise I do not know. This has engendered a sense of humility within me, and I am less prone to stating that I am in possession of knowledge, irrespective of how strongly I may feel that I am. I am more likely to claim a belief, including a belief that I am right. Personally, I feel that this also helps me to respect the thoughts of others, up to a point of course.

Whereas I am not in favour of belief systems, I can still see the value of a personal belief.

Thanks.

PS. That quote about animals having theology.......brilliant!

[DoubleHelix]

Yesterdays David Icke lecture.

G'day All,

Yesterday will remain one of the most memorable days I have experienced in a very long time. I met up with Double Helix before the event kicked off, and I let him choose where we parked ourselves. Once seated, we started nattering about the forum, and our words caught the attention of the fellow sitting in front of us, who turned to acknowledge our words. It was Etheric Underground. As I mentioned, freaky! So three Avalonians were sat together almost dead centre in the theatre. That was at 08:30 in the morning, and by 07:30 in the evening, we were done (and so was my rear end!).

To see the energy that David puts into his presentations is to understand that he is 100% dinkum (for real). What a warrior he is! Actually, while trying to think of what to write next, I am painfully aware of the fact that words just don't do this justice. Sure, there are plenty of tireless souls that devote there lives to worthwhile causes, often involving great personal sacrifice, but to hear of the adversity and public humiliation that David suffered, and knowing that he never lost faith in the mission that he had been given, well, words fail me. This bloke is a true universal soldier, and will one day be hailed as a prophet / visionary / hero, whatever; and he is as humble as the winter's grass is green.

I was surprised to hear that the physic who originally informed David of the path he would take in life was Betty Shine. I had been in contact with Betty many years ago, after my Mother suffered a stroke. To hear of her predictions for David, the experience that he had in Peru, and what was related to him whilst in an ayahuasca trance in 2003 in Brazil, is to know that he is guided from another dimension for a very real and supremely necessary purpose. Further, having previously posted my status as a fence sitter on the reptilian agenda, I now lean more toward the affirmative, as I do not think that he would have been allowed to get this wrong.

I did not hear a great deal that was new to me, but to have it delivered in one complete, wham bang, sock it to your third eye event was almost too much to handle! After the event, I chatted briefly with a couple of young blokes (probably uni students) who were literally gasping for breath!

He made no mention of the legal problems that prompted this tread, and did not ask for assistance of any kind. He just made the most amazing four by two hour presentation that I have ever witnessed, and I can guarantee you that the all assembled (with the exception of the government plants of course) were blown away.

If you know that he is heading your way, and you have not yet bought tickets, please consider doing so, as his rheumatoid arthritis isn't getting any better, so who knows how much longer he'll be able to keep this up.

Personally, I thank God for David Icke.

Best Wishes to you all,

Tony

Well said Tony,

I don't think I need to add much your synopsis so I'll keep it brief. David really brought his game face to this one, the event on the whole was thoroughly impressive, captivating and informative.

Much of the information he discussed was material I was aware of in some form or capacity but the way David connects dots and explains things so eloquently in detail is truly second to none. If Mr. Icke swings by your neck of the woods make you sure you pick up a ticket, money very well spent.

-Jack.

[starsha]

The more that I learn, and accept as the truth (knowledge), the more that I realise I do not know. This has engendered a sense of humility within me, and I am less prone to stating that I am in possession of knowledge, irrespective of how strongly I may feel that I am. I am more likely to claim a belief, including a belief that I am right. Personally, I feel that this also helps me to respect the thoughts of others, up to a point of course.

This has been my experience as well Heyoka, very well said, thank you. The moment i start thinking i have it all figured out is the moment i stop inquiring for further clarification. Arrogance can so easily slip in the back door. Even when you do have hard evidence to something there is still room for interpretation, the human mind is not an easy mystery to unravel. There is always more to learn and see, no matter how much you have already seen and understand, IMO.

[TigaHawk]

Would gladly help him out, if confirmation from Bill is given that this is real and not a scam.

Able to give him a buzz for us please Bill?

Ty!

[grapevine]

Glad Heyoka and DoubleHelix - and others - enjoyed David Icke's wonderful day. I attended a similar event in Brixton last September and will definitely go again and remember to take a rubber ring with me next time :)

As for the reptilian thing ...... I wonder whether the reason they haven't been photographed is that they haven't actually shifted at all. Maybe when people witness a shift, what they're actually experiencing is a temporary drop in their own vibrations. What I'm suggesting is that maybe reptilians are in reptilian form all the time but the majority of us just don't see it as our vibrations are a little higher. Just my opinion ..... Maybe we could have some input from our empaths on this one ...?

[myrm]

Respectfully, maybe you haven't heard but there is a group who has been in power for the last oh thirteen thousand years or so who have been warring, murdering, raping, and controlling this planet's people like slaves I know because I am one of those people. If anyone has begun to change that fact it is Mr David Icke. On second thought I agree with no solicitation here. Thanks.


Nearly Christmas I see. Icke sends these out all the time then ignores people on his own forum when they ask what their donation ended up getting spent on and what the outcome was. He's done this so many times now it's not funny and it's even less funny that it's being promoted on here. Try using google. If you want to make your career out of accusing anyone with a successful life of being a satanic reptilian pedophile jew, you're gonna get sued. Get insurance.

And he's writing a new book? Ctrl+C Ctrl+V Ctrl+C Ctrl+V "Biggest Secrets EVAAAARRR". Mass printed in India then sold on his site for £25 or £14 online, but then the shops mysteriously don't get their shipment for over a month so you have to buy it from him. And then he has the cheek to use the small company exemption to keep his company accounts private.

Wake the **** up people. =]

[ThePythonicCow]

Would gladly help him out, if confirmation from Bill is given that this is real and not a scam.

Able to give him a buzz for us please Bill?

Ty!

I cannot confirm the Paypal link that Heyoka_11 knows about (from his first post on this thread), because, for at least one thing, I have not even asked Heyokah_11 what that link is.

However, a bit of searching finds this article on David Icke's website David Icke is facing a legal challenge to everything he is now so successfully and incredibly achieving worldwide. Can you help to ensure that his work continues? (Tuesday, 13 September 2011 12:23) (http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/53343-david-icke-is-facing-a-double-legal-challenge-to-everything-he-is-now-so-successfully-and-incredibly-achieving-worldwide-can-you-help-to-ensure-that-his-work-continues), with a Paypal donation link to that goes to "David Icke Books Limited" for the purpose of "David Icke's Legal Defence Fund".

The text of the article on DavidIcke.com at the above link appears (from a quick glance) to be the same text as Heyokah_11 posted in the first post of this thread:

While David embarks in his 60th year on the most gruelling speaking tour of his life on the back of spending the entire summer locked away 15 hours a day writing a new book, he is also having to deal with two legal cases which, together, could make it very difficult for him to continue on anything like the scale that he is now achieving, never mind massively expanding his work as he is planning to do.

...
Thank-you. We shall overcome, no matter what - and no matter who
I am comfortable that the above link to a recent article on David Icke's own website is valid. Every detail I have examined seems consistent and valid, and my searches have found no red flags or substantive concerns to the contrary.

[Heyoka_11]

I am comfortable that the above link to a recent article on David Icke's own website is valid. Every detail I have examined seems consistent and valid, and my searches have found no red flags or substantive concerns to the contrary.

Hi Paul,

Thank you for checking this out, and posting a fresh link for Tiga to use.

Thanks too to Tiga, for helping David out.

[Limor Wolf]

Glad Heyoka and DoubleHelix - and others - enjoyed David Icke's wonderful day. I attended a similar event in Brixton last September and will definitely go again and remember to take a rubber ring with me next time :)

As for the reptilian thing ...... I wonder whether the reason they haven't been photographed is that they haven't actually shifted at all. Maybe when people witness a shift, what they're actually experiencing is a temporary drop in their own vibrations. What I'm suggesting is that maybe reptilians are in reptilian form all the time but the majority of us just don't see it as our vibrations are a little higher. Just my opinion ..... Maybe we could have some input from our empaths on this one ...?

Thats an interesting thought W1ndmill, but it is believed that the higher vibrations can always be aware of the lower vibrations,its the other way around.maybe this is why so many curtains are now open and people have the chance to peek to other dimansions and realities.or better yet,to broaden Our ability to grasp the one and only reality that exists around us,because we (earth) now raise the frequency.


:hug:

P.s-
When one get to be visited by a reptelian,the last thing one wants to do is to grab a camera.and I mean the LAST thing.

[Limor Wolf]

Yesterdays David Icke lecture.

G'day All,

Yesterday will remain one of the most memorable days I have experienced in a very long time. I met up with Double Helix before the event kicked off, and I let him choose where we parked ourselves. Once seated, we started nattering about the forum, and our words caught the attention of the fellow sitting in front of us, who turned to acknowledge our words. It was Etheric Underground. As I mentioned, freaky! So three Avalonians were sat together almost dead centre in the theatre. That was at 08:30 in the morning, and by 07:30 in the evening, we were done (and so was my rear end!).

To see the energy that David puts into his presentations is to understand that he is 100% dinkum (for real). What a warrior he is! Actually, while trying to think of what to write next, I am painfully aware of the fact that words just don't do this justice. Sure, there are plenty of tireless souls that devote there lives to worthwhile causes, often involving great personal sacrifice, but to hear of the adversity and public humiliation that David suffered, and knowing that he never lost faith in the mission that he had been given, well, words fail me. This bloke is a true universal soldier, and will one day be hailed as a prophet / visionary / hero, whatever; and he is as humble as the winter's grass is green.

I was surprised to hear that the physic who originally informed David of the path he would take in life was Betty Shine. I had been in contact with Betty many years ago, after my Mother suffered a stroke. To hear of her predictions for David, the experience that he had in Peru, and what was related to him whilst in an ayahuasca trance in 2003 in Brazil, is to know that he is guided from another dimension for a very real and supremely necessary purpose. Further, having previously posted my status as a fence sitter on the reptilian agenda, I now lean more toward the affirmative, as I do not think that he would have been allowed to get this wrong.

I did not hear a great deal that was new to me, but to have it delivered in one complete, wham bang, sock it to your third eye event was almost too much to handle! After the event, I chatted briefly with a couple of young blokes (probably uni students) who were literally gasping for breath!

He made no mention of the legal problems that prompted this tread, and did not ask for assistance of any kind. He just made the most amazing four by two hour presentation that I have ever witnessed, and I can guarantee you that the all assembled (with the exception of the government plants of course) were blown away.

If you know that he is heading your way, and you have not yet bought tickets, please consider doing so, as his rheumatoid arthritis isn't getting any better, so who knows how much longer he'll be able to keep this up.

Personally, I thank God for David Icke.

Best Wishes to you all,

Tony

Well said Tony,

I don't think I need to add much your synopsis so I'll keep it brief. David really brought his game face to this one, the event on the whole was thoroughly impressive, captivating and informative.

Much of the information he discussed was material I was aware of in some form or capacity but the way David connects dots and explains things so eloquently in detail is truly second to none. If Mr. Icke swings by your neck of the woods make you sure you pick up a ticket, money very well spent.

-Jack.


Tony and Jack - thanks for sharing your experience! I join you with your conclusions.
Last year on the 11th of september I attended David Icke's event in Brixton (probably when W1ndmill attended as well) and these were my impressions as I shared them with the ATP back than:


"hi to all.a few days ago i came back from a short trip to london for the david icke all day event.i am

folowing david icke's work for four years now, i very much connect with what he says and with some of his personal experiences and i thought it can be interesting to listen to him "live",simply feel the energy...of his and of the people that come to listen to him.

it lasted for more than 8 hours.myself and everyone who sat in the near chairs expressed our concern at the start of the day of how we we are going to find ourself at the end of the day?! :) crawling on top of each other? i have to admitt it wasn't that bad:).the first part and the second part were very much things we have heard before.david is putting all his material for free on his website and around the net for the sake of letting all the information out,but although nothing there was new,he was a pleasure to listen to,a real virtuos! one can sense he is a 'man on a mission'.

on the third part in the afternoon hours he talkes about 'zionism' israel and the rothschild bloodline and also started talking about the 'moon matrix',a new and intirguing information,that although not based enough in my opinion was still extremly interesting (i promised not to elborate for the sake of those who will go to the icke event in the future,or read his book:). the fourth and the last part was exhilarating! david talked about consciousness,about our new human abilities and the new era waiting for us (difficulties and challenges first). he rightly so got a standing ovation after 8 hours talking,bouncing,even singing... he is one of a kind.i do recommand to go and see him if possible and support his work if you are interested."


~*&^~*

Limor

[king anthony]

...First up, thanks for your contributions to this thread, and adding to what has been at times a lively debate... appreciate your thoughts on the following: The more that I learn, and accept as the truth (knowledge), the more that I realise I do not know... Personally, I feel that this also helps me to respect the thoughts of others, up to a point of course.

I say, I have not debated anything with anyone - for facts, for example based on firsthand, is not debatable. I do not have thoughts on what you ask; however, I will say, truly there will always be things one or many do not know and thus will be made known if one seeks and accepts fact/truth.

The issue is when one cannot seek, find, understand on their own, or accept that another may know (or experience) "more" then they (based on ego) - remaining with that which comforts them. Respecting the thoughts of others is best summed up in brief using this example (originally, I used the example in another thread);


One is wearing a shirt with tie; based on their choice.



Opinion: Is if the shirt and tie combination either goes well together or not.

Theory: How and why the shirt and tie combination either goes well together or not.

Belief: Is the hope that one is correct with the shirt and tie combination either going well together or not.




Hope: Is the impossibility of reason.



Faith: Is that someone else will agree with the shirt and tie combination either going well together or not.

Fact/Truth: The color(s) of shirt and tie remains consistent, as it is what it is.

Respecting the position of one, for example opinion differs greatly to fact/truth; this has been confused by chance and design. For clarity, opinions, theories, beliefs, hopes, faiths, goals, dreams and such vary (meaning not absolute) - while fact/truth remains consistent, even when more is learned. The only thing that may change when more is learned is the understanding of a topic or the "bigger picture" as it may be better seen.

I say, what benefit is it to respect, for example, one for being deliberate in ignorance, which differs to simply not knowing!?

If I may redirect the discussion "back on topic".

[Heyoka_11]

I say, I have not debated anything with anyone

Then I must apologise for obviously having wasted your time.


If I may redirect the discussion "back on topic"

Yes, you may redirect the discussion "back on topic" on this thread, where, as the OP, I will take the discussion in any direction I see fit.

If that is not to your liking, then you are free to start a fresh thread on this topic, and post to your heart's content!

[Lord Sidious]

Don't get your nose out of joint with Anthony, Tony, besides the fact that you have the same name, you are both valued posters here.
He wasn't having a shot at you, it is just his way of posting.
Besides that, I have a carrot surplus right now, not as much nuggetry on avalon as usual, so I have to get rid of some more. :p

[king anthony]

...as the OP, I will take the discussion in any direction I see fit. If that is not to your liking, then you are free to start a fresh thread on this topic, and post to your heart's content!

I had not realized or forgotten that you are the original poster of this thread; I was simply trying to aid the original poster (knowing now it is you) by keeping on topic. I say, when one's belief systems are challenged, emotion does cloud thought. I will not post in this thread any further (meaning I will not return) regardless of being quoted or not. I wish you well.

[Cidersomerset]

I just watched a recent video of David being interviewed in Denmark.He explains his views clearly and shows his tenacity and determination to try and get his message
out that the world is not what we think it is!!! Now thats something everyone on the forum must agree with or you would not have joined....Unless you are 'mole' of course....From there everyone can connect the dots like him, but this does not mean we will create the same 'Picture'...


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Cheers...Steve

[Lita]

Thanks for the video of David, in just over a month I will be seeing him in Sydney, they have added 1 extra hour to the presentation with something new...

I love what he says about living your own truth.

[Cidersomerset]

Yes Lita I was looking to see if I could find a write up of his Perth show which he has just done when i found this one which I had not seen before.Hope you have a great time....Steve

[Marianne]

Steve, thanks for posting this interview. I agree with his assessment of the U.S. level of investigation -- it goes as far as the tangible (corrupt bankers and politicians, Wall Street, etc.) but fear prevents going beyond. I think the fear is tied up in a package with religion. We started with the Puritans, and it still has a deep hold on U.S. society. I know how hard it is to break free of this because I come from a Southern Baptist background.

But it's my hope that with leaders like David, truth will filter in and begin to wake people up.

[humanalien]

Listen Up

If you have not done so already, please take the time to read the blog which is linked in Bill Ryan's post #38 on this thread.

Thanks.

Thanks for pointing that out. I had no idea david had it so ruff.
Although i'm in no position to send the man some money right
now, i would encourage anyone that is able to help david out
in some way, to please do so.

The only reason i said what i did was because i thought david
was loaded with money and to have someone(Not on this forum)
asking for money to give to david was just plain crazy.

Please forgive my ignorance.