David Icke 2011

[Cidersomerset]

Like Alex Jones recently the TPTB are trying to mind control the masses that the truth tellers are the bad guys and the lying incahoots mainstream are the good guys !!!
As more people are waking up around the world, they are pannicking......

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/3958468/Get-on-yer-bike-David-Icke.html


DAVID ICKE was forced to flee the spotlight 20 years ago after declaring he was the son of God on Terry Wogan's primetime BBC chat show.

The former sports presenter's oddball views, including that the world was to be destroyed by devastating tidal waves and earthquakes, saw him ridiculed up and down the country.

But over the last two decades, Icke has not regained his grip on reality.

In fact, he has developed his crazy theories and turned them into a lucrative international business.

This weekend he received a standing ovation from the sell-out crowd at the 2,100-seater Best Buy Theater in New York's Times Square as he continued his odd "resurrection".

In a nonsensical EIGHT-HOUR lecture, Icke spouted his ramblings that are now key ideas in the booming conspiracy theories market.

Apparently the planet is being run by reptile-like aliens and our world leaders — including Tony Blair and the Queen — are the result of human and reptile cross-breeding.

In addition, Princess Diana was assassinated, we are all merely holograms, vampires are living among us, reptiles can "shapeshift" into humans, the moon is hollow and 9/11 was an inside job.

And now President Barack Obama (a reptile) and the global financial crisis (caused by reptiles) have joined Icke's repertoire too.

The 59-year-old said: "Barack Obama is not the most powerful man in the world. He is just the point of interaction between the shadow networks that are deciding events and those that are making things happen.

"There are underground bases all over the place that Presidents and Prime Ministers aren't allowed to know what is happening inside.

"We are not alone. The idea that humans are the only two-legged, two-armed intelligent lifeform is ridiculous. These reptilian entities exist and they are influencing our world from beyond human sight.

"They have manipulated human genetics by tuning us into particular frequencies.

"And interbreeding between human and non-humans has created a new form. This hybrid was created to have no empathy. That is why there is no limit on their actions.

"This hybrid race are the Royal Family, the politicians, those running the banking system, the media.

Slur ... Queen is 'reptilian'
Slur ... Queen is 'reptilian'

"Nothing for me sums up the scale to which we have conceded our power to control our own lives than the world financial system.

"The financial district in London is controlled by its own secret society.

"And the symbol on the City Of London flag shows flying reptiles on each side of a shield."

Icke was in New York during the Occupy Wall Street protest and went on a walkabout of the anti-capitalist demonstration site in the days before his show to round up supporters.

But the financial collapse was just a small slice of Icke's crazy Big Apple pie — and it's one fans everywhere are gobbling up.

Mad ... leaders 'reptiles too'
Mad ... leaders 'reptiles too'

Because even more unbelievable than Icke's conspiracy theories is the fact he has turned them into a huge money-spinner around the globe.

The Isle of Wight resident has written 18 books and has another out next year. His current world tour is supporting his latest release, Human Race Get Off Your Knees.

He arrived in New York from Cleveland, Ohio, and the tour takes him to Croatia and Amsterdam next month before two dates in Hawaii next year — and a homecoming gig at Wembley Arena in October.

Fans ... queue in New York
Fans ... queue in New York

Tickets for his New York show sold out at £45 a pop and his new books retail at £20. Some have been translated into eight languages.

At its peak his website was getting 600,000 hits a week. Take That star Robbie Williams, 37, is among the celebs said to have taken an interest in his work and Muse frontman Matt Bellamy, 33, shares Icke's view that world leaders have reptilian blood.

America is among his biggest markets and at his New York show fans wore Icke's branded clothing and clutched his books.

His supporters are of all ages, sexes and backgrounds. Most seem like pretty normal folk... until you ask them about reptiles.

Sylvia Prester, 51, had travelled from Washington DC to see her second Icke show. Wearing her souvenir T-shirt, she said: "He's telling the truth — I believe every word of it.

Controversial ... David Icke
Controversial ... David Icke

"My husband introduced me to David in 1995. We both believe there are reptilian forces controlling us through family bloodlines.

"The man is incredible. He might be selling books and tickets but he is not forcing you to buy them — he is doing it to spread the truth."

The internet is swamped with Icke fan sites that arrange meetings in every corner of the globe — with his followers desperate for the next book or show to splash their cash on. If value for money was measured in words to the Pound then Icke's stage show would be a bargain.

For £45, fans are subjected to an incredible eight hours of his conspiracy theories and views of the world.

The fact it is all senseless ramblings seems to matter not to his followers.

Before his life took a turn for the eccentric, Icke was a goalkeeper for Coventry City before arthritis cut short his career aged just 21.

Crazy ... David Icke talks to Terry Wogan
Crazy ... David Icke talks to Terry Wogan

He went on to become a sports presenter for the BBC where he hosted Grandstand, snooker tournaments and the sports news on morning show Breakfast Time.

Icke worked for the Beeb for eight years before his outspoken views on the poll tax — and initial refusal to pay it — cost him his job.

He then became a national speaker for the Green Party before his famous Wogan outburst in 1991.

By this time Icke would only wear turquoise clothes because he believed it was a conduit for positive energy. He explained to his New York fans: "Twenty years ago I talked about what was coming — now it's here. It's happening. People are finally awakening.

"I used to be a goalkeeper. They called me Cinderella because I kept missing the ball. That football period — playing with arthritis for four years — triggered a will to not give up.

"Then I worked for the BBC, then I became a spokesman for the Green Party. Then came my turquoise period. That's when I realised I was not alone in the room and there was someone talking to me.

"I went to Peru purely on intuition and amazing things happened. I heard a hill say: 'Come to me'. I thought, 'I can't believe a hill is talking to me'.

"I felt a drill in the top of my head and my feet were burning and pulling me to the ground.

"My arms went out at 45° and were there for an hour — I was shaking with this energy. At this time I went through my turquoise period, went on primetime telly and became a figure of ridicule for years." And speaking of his new self-appointed role in life, he added: "It was much easier reading the news."

As he arrived in New York he posted a message on his website again claiming 9/11 was an inside job.

He wrote: "Just over there is the emerging Freedom Tower on the site of the World Trade Center.

"Those two were brought down in an engineered, fake terrorist attack.

"That event has been used to dramatically reduce freedom in the country. It was engineered by the very sources who now say we have to invade this country and that."

But despite his controversial statement in the city devastated by the al-Qaeda attack that killed nearly 3,000 people, he walked off stage this weekend with the crowd on their feet — and his wallet bulging.

On his 1991 Wogan appearance, the audience howled in derision and the veteran TV host told Icke: "They're laughing at you, not with you."

You can't help but think Icke is having the last laugh after all.


THIS IS A COMPLIMENT TO DAVID BUT NOW ESPECIALLY IS THE TIME TO KEEP LOOKING FOR TRUTH !!!!


Cheers Steve

[Cidersomerset]

THE FACES OF LIES AND EVIL ....DOING THEIR MASTERS BIDDING !!

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MURDOCH HIS SON JAMES AND REBEKAH BROOKS FORMER EDITOR OF THE NEWS OF THE WORLD AND BLUE EYED GIRL !!

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[DevilPigeon]

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Yes, 20 years ago I was among those that thought he was a bit of a looney tune... But when what he's being saying - and continues to say now - is becoming increasingly evident, and in a lot of cases has come to fruition... Then I'm happy to admit that indeed it was I that was mad all those years ago rather than Icke.

Hit pieces like this have very little sway these days I'd wager, more and more people are waking up to the reality that surrounds us. It also reads like a pissed-off fat boy that's had his chocolate taken off him!

Anyway, the fact that this was in The Sun says it all really.... I don't buy newspapers anyway, but this rag isn't even suitable for wrapping chips up in, or for lining a birdcage for that matter.

[Cjay]

It's all part of the cycle. At first ridicule and soon "I knew he was right all along".

[Cidersomerset]

Your not alone Devilpigeon, i liked David as I liked to watch the snooker in the eighties and he was a TV personality....and I can remember cringing when i saw the original

Wogan interview not knowing what to make of it ?? I was into UFO's and had watched Arthur C Clarkes mysterious world and knew religion was 'Rollicks' but I was not

quite ready for shape shifting reptilians..LOL...Now I'm very open to the possibility...Steve

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Cjay...It would be nice but I'm not holding my breath with the Sun......steve

[DevilPigeon]

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I've got most of his books, he's a very good author and puts his points across very well. I must confess I thought one of his earlier books "and the truth shall set you free" was more balanced and "less angry" that later works, and that a lot of ideas are represented pretty much verbatim across all books, but I understand that and accept it due to the assumption that his audience are coming into the information for the first time.

[WhiteFeather]

The Truth Comes In 3 Stages:
1. It's Ridiculed
2. Its Violently Opposed
3. Its Accepted

Icke is finally being accepted.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Ha ... they must be getting worried to plaster that in the 'Sun newspaper' ...

He's getting bigger by the day...and they are getting smaller by the day...

The end of the article say's it all...

"On his 1991 Wogan appearance, the audience howled in derision and the veteran TV host told Icke: "They're laughing at you, not with you."

You can't help but think Icke is having the last laugh after all."

viking

[Cidersomerset]

I totally agree Whitefeather.....THE TRUTH WILL OUT....Cheers

[Maia Gabrial]

The truth vibration is what we're all feeling now....
I don't think David is laughing. It may be a sense of relief that people are finally seeing what he's saying....

[Cidersomerset]

Spot on Viking .........The sooner 'The Sun Sets' on those media ,bloodsucking Flunkies ' Won't be soon enough !!

[Free Bird]

The Daily Mail has run near enough the same story -http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2066215/So-David-Icke-coming-wacky-ideas-Crackpot-cashes-world-tour-booming-book-business.html?ITO=1490

I think both pieces have backfired and they will only give rise to more support for David.

[Cidersomerset]

Thats right Maia the 'Truth' vibrations are rippling around the globe thats what this hit piece proves...imho..

They are pointing out money, because they know that is a sore subject with the people , but that will back fire on them in this case..

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks freebird....it proves their masters are pannicking if it gets them to attack a 'Truth Seeker' like David....

[scootiep]

The Daily Mail has run near enough the same story -http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2066215/So-David-Icke-coming-wacky-ideas-Crackpot-cashes-world-tour-booming-book-business.html?ITO=1490

I think both pieces have backfired and they will only give rise to more support for David.

Hey check out the comments at the bottom of the article and then click on "Best Rated" there seems to be a lot of informed people out there :D sticking up for David yeah!!!

[Free Bird]

It's quite funny really, The Daily Mail gives a Youtube link of David talking about the moon matrix, but at the end of the clip, there is a link in the video directing people to find out more about the moon matrix and it starts with the renown Dr. Michio Kaku talking about out of phase alternate alien realities within our own - exactly backing up what David has been saying all along! I think people who are sceptical might very well look into what David has to say with more of an open mind :)

Here is that link:
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[seko]

David has gone through a lot of s###, he's worked a lot in the last 20 years and all he is doing is telling what he believes and it's absolutely right!

We love you Dave, keep on the hard work!:grouphug:

[Free Bird]

David has gone through a lot of s###, he's worked a lot in the last 20 years and all he is doing is telling what he believes and it's absolutely right!

We love you Dave, keep on the hard work!:grouphug:

+10 to that! :)

[Cidersomerset]

The Daily mail is owned by ......Daily mail and general trust,,,,,,,,,A corporate ' Right wing Rag' No enlightened people there then.....


Viscount Rothermere Chairman of the Daily mail another Blue blood ......David is onto you MR.Annunaki bloodline...LOL...

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Lord Rothermere recieving a 'present' from a fellow member of the 'filthy stinking rich clan'.....

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[Carmody]

DAVID ICKE was forced to flee the spotlight 20 years ago after declaring he was the son of God on Terry Wogan's primetime BBC chat show.

Everyone is a child of god. When we realize this, it is part of our personal awakening. (I am not christian or even religious, god is just a name/word that some use)

when this happens the immediate result is akin to a feeling of separation, of distance.

The PTB use this in arrogance and low empathy. The egoic imperative in tribal religions and even the characteristics of the behavior of elitists and their 'bloodlines'.

In an empathetic human, this becomes/transforms, over time..into a desire to understand in the context of rejoining (psychologically-identifying with) with the human race to communicate/transfer the exciting news.

In the low empathy individual ....ensconced in the tribal religion ,and ego, and their surroundings/imprint/'genetic tendencies' (lamarkism AND genetics) as a child, thus their imprint ---this is used to separate and enslave others. Ego fear, reflected back and becoming stronger.

That is some of the component characteristics of the difference.

[alienHunter]

I lean to the John Lash version...Archons.

[Carmody]

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Yes, 20 years ago I was among those that thought he was a bit of a looney tune... But when what he's being saying - and continues to say now - is becoming increasingly evident, and in a lot of cases has come to fruition... Then I'm happy to admit that indeed it was I that was mad all those years ago rather than Icke.

Hit pieces like this have very little sway these days I'd wager, more and more people are waking up to the reality that surrounds us. It also reads like a pissed-off fat boy that's had his chocolate taken off him!

Anyway, the fact that this was in The Sun says it all really.... I don't buy newspapers anyway, but this rag isn't even suitable for wrapping chips up in, or for lining a birdcage for that matter.

energy goes, where thought flows.

An old saying that I find (researching it), to some degree seems to have Jewish origins, from what I've seen: "I don't care what they say about me, as long as they say about me".

and,
'all news, is good news'.

and
'they're giving me a hard time. i must be doing something right'


All I can say is that is doing David a tremendous amount of good. It is introducing the subject to many. Those who would never get it, well,they will react as they always will and would. They are deep into preconditioning. Always will be.

Those who MIGHT catch a slip or chink in the armor.... and see a light through the crack of the door, those people WILL look....when the opportunity comes, as they are thinking people and always will be.

Now, they've been prepped to look. You see?

So all this does is prep the potential people who might open their mind..to be ready to deal with the opening when it comes.

so, in essence they've done David and any potential people who might open their mind...they've done both a TREMENDOUS favor by publishing this 'hit piece'.

[Seikou-Kishi]

The Sun is such rubbish. It would be offensive to have an article about David Icke even if it were in the most affectionate terms. Damn the Sun, damn the Murdochs and damn their stooges.

[Lord Sidious]

Doing this is very risky for ''them'' as there is a fine line to walk.
If you do not enough, you don't hammer home that David is a nugget.
You do too much, you make the audience sympathetic to him.
But, as they say, there is no such thing as bad publicity.

[Corncrake]

I have heard some fairly mainstream people discussing David Icke and more often or not they will go along with what he says until .... the reptilian agenda. This is the problem area most people come up against and I still do. I have gradually come around through reading many different sources to think there is something in it but when David flashes a photograph of our frumpy little old queen on the screen it is very hard to associate her with a shape shifting reptilian ..... Generally no one likes to feel they have been made to look stupid so while a lot of people may privately agree with him for the sake of social desirability they may disagree or even ridicule him in public. One sees it in some of the carefully phrased responses to some of the threads on this forum (I am not excluded!) and David Icke really stretches credulity. I certainly respect his tenacity - he has been through tough times and they are not over. With regard to this article - I wouldn't believe anything I read in the Sun and I don't read it however, it does have the biggest circulation in the country.

[Cidersomerset]

This is what the 'Bankster elites and TPTB are scared of.....

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http://21stcenturywire.com/tag/2011/

[alienHunter]

It appears to me those tv images have been altered.

[truth4me]

I've said this before and I'll say it again. Living a truly spiritual life is the key to understanding a lot of what's said by Icke and others. In my parts who's winning the game or NASCAR race is more important then what's really going on. When you wake up the "dark forces know"IMHO and will sit about messing with you to get you back in line.

Taking control of your life is not they want. I firmly believe the Reptilians are real and just not in England. They are everywhere or their influence is.

I know we've talked about the movie "They Live" on the forum quite a bit but you really have to think it about.

[alienHunter]

What no thanks? :p

[Cidersomerset]

Your right truth4me ....When 40 of the 41 US Presidents are related to the same blood line as the present Queen Liz 2 something is definatley 'Rotten In The State Of Denmark'

To quote Will .......And proves David may be onto something with the anciant Annunaki bloodlines coming out of Sumer and else where....

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The Windsor=Bush blood line ...by David Icke

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/merovingians/merovingios_02.htm

[Carmody]

I have heard some fairly mainstream people discussing David Icke and more often or not they will go along with what he says until .... the reptilian agenda. This is the problem area most people come up against and I still do. I have gradually come around through reading many different sources to think there is something in it but when David flashes a photograph of our frumpy little old queen on the screen it is very hard to associate her with a shape shifting reptilian ..... Generally no one likes to feel they have been made to look stupid so while a lot of people may privately agree with him for the sake of social desirability they may disagree or even ridicule him in public. One sees it in some of the carefully phrased responses to some of the threads on this forum (I am not excluded!) and David Icke really stretches credulity. I certainly respect his tenacity - he has been through tough times and they are not over. With regard to this article - I wouldn't believe anything I read in the Sun and I don't read it however, it does have the biggest circulation in the country.

The problem comes when someone has a single vision of a future event or communicates with someone in a method akin to telepathy, or what not.

If one is honest with themselves and can understand the concept of logic, they are in a position where all ideas of the fabric of reality have just failed, spectacularly.

All bets (reality belief frameworks, in total), at that point..are off. at that point...Pandora's box is in the middle of exploding, not just opening.

whether such a thought makes a person comfortable or not, is irrelevant. Irrelevant... for that is the nature of the opening.

Which is why people fear it so much. they have zero ground to stand on at that point, zero ground that is familiar to them.

At first.

They are stuck rebuilding their paradigm or frameworks.

It takes time. But the breaking must occur first.

eat our veggies, then we can have dessert. :p

[modwiz]

What no thanks? :p

I agree with you about the Archons.

[Cartomancer]

This is really a good sign. If they are attacking him then he is doing what he set out to do. It is getting to the point where people like Icke and Alex Jones are getting attacked because they are making the right people nervous. This will only draw more people to what David is saying.

[Seikou-Kishi]

This is really a good sign. If they are attacking him then he is doing what he set out to do. It is getting to the point where people like Icke and Alex Jones are getting attacked because they are making the right people nervous. This will only draw more people to what David is saying.

I thought that. There might be thousands of people reading their bile and thinking "hmm, well I agree that 9/11 was an inside job" and so on, and looking him up just because of that.

[Ecnal61]

Trying to find an impartial member of the press to interview david icke is like trying to find rocking horse s''t, it wont happen cos the media is owned and run by the very people/entities that we would love to see exposed, but many sheeple are waking up now,hopefully the truth will out in our lifetime.

[G.A]

Thanks Sun and Daily Mail! Please continue to spread David's name so more people type it into google/youtube and start their journey down the rabbit hole. Reverse psychology is a great way to help people learn things.

[Godiam]

I have heard some fairly mainstream people discussing David Icke and more often or not they will go along with what he says until .... the reptilian agenda. This is the problem area most people come up against and I still do. I have gradually come around through reading many different sources to think there is something in it but when David flashes a photograph of our frumpy little old queen on the screen it is very hard to associate her with a shape shifting reptilian ..... Generally no one likes to feel they have been made to look stupid so while a lot of people may privately agree with him for the sake of social desirability they may disagree or even ridicule him in public. One sees it in some of the carefully phrased responses to some of the threads on this forum (I am not excluded!) and David Icke really stretches credulity. I certainly respect his tenacity - he has been through tough times and they are not over. With regard to this article - I wouldn't believe anything I read in the Sun and I don't read it however, it does have the biggest circulation in the country.

A friend lent me a copy of "The Truth Shall Set You Free" around 15/20 years ago, and try as I did, I could not read it!! I ended up returning the book to him, and he said he wasn't suprised as he had trouble reading it to!

I think it's the negativity/reptilian stuff that I found too hard to deal with in the early stages of my awakening, and haven't bothered with any more of David Ickes work since!

I will admit to not knowng much about this material, but if anyone uses fear to peddle thier material, then I don't want to know, as I try to live in a world of positivity and light, as I believe we perceive our experience from our thoughts and beliefs!

Icke may be on to his version of TRUTH, but Fear based teachings will never lead you to TRUE FREEDOM!!

HUGS.... Godiam

[ktlight]

FYI: From PrisonPlanet correspondent, Paul Joseph Watson:

"An addendum to my earlier post about the Daily Mail smear on David Icke – Pete Samson has written an almost identical hit piece in ‘The Sun’ – that most venerable of newspapers which responded to the tragic deaths of 96 Liverpool fans after the Hillsborough disaster by inventing lies and smearing the victims. Samson is very much at home writing for a newspaper that appeals to some of the most moronic and braindead people ever to walk on the face of the British Isles.

Under the headline Wacky conspiracy theorist David Icke cashes in from world tour and booming book business, the Daily Mail, the same newspaper that supported Hitler before World War 2, employs a cocktail of lies, spin and sophomoric taunts in an attempt to discredit Icke. The establishment is obviously not happy about the fact that his speaking tour and books have proven to be wildly popular.

Of course, the horror that Icke should actually make some money back from the sale of tickets and copies of his book is completely indefensible. I mean, it’s not as if the Daily Mail “journalist” who penned this diatribe gets paid to write is it? Likewise, we’d all be rightfully up in arms if the Daily Mail actually had the shame to ‘cash in’ on the release of information by selling copies of its newspapers! Outrageous! Oh, hang on a minute…

The “journalist” who wrote this drivel doesn’t even have the guts to put his or her name to it – that’s how utterly shambolic and shameful a hit piece it is. As if ad hominem and childish insults were not enough, the Daily Mail engages in outright defamation by completely lying about the fact that Icke is a “polygamist” simply because he remains friends with his ex-wife. This is the most abhorrent and pathetic smear we’ve ever seen, and we’ve seen plenty.

Here’s the good news – every single one of the ‘best rated’ responses to the article completely slams the Mail and supports Icke. The hit pieces don’t work anymore because the establishment media has lost all credibility – and articles like this will only see them lose more."

source
http://www.prisonplanet.com/daily-mail-in-shambolic-shameful-hit-piece-against-david-icke.html

[ktlight]

"What is happening in the world is saying what is happening within us." says David Icke.

I wish the world would understand this truth.

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[norman]

Looks like someone has been waiting for a chance and thought they'd found it with the public standoff between Icke and Ventura.

[Ria]

Good video worth the watch.

[mh842]

Help thoes who Help themselves. Nothing is effort less.

[Cidersomerset]

Davids Responce to the hit pieces.....



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Thank you to the Alex Jones site for making these points. The financial claims made by the Mail and the Sun are, er, how can I put it? Erm ... greatly exaggerated. Yes, I think that is the understatement of the century.

How interesting that after mercilessly ridiculing me 20 years ago, writing me off as 'finished' and ignoring me ever since, that these pathetic excuses for 'newspapers' have suddenly acknowledged my existence again and embarked on further abuse just when I am making massive breakthroughs in circulating suppressed information to vast numbers of people worldwide.

Just a coincidence, nothing to worry about.

I am sure you will also see purveyors of 'love, light, peace and kindness' seeking to sell their mendacious 'stories' about me in due course and a lot more of this crap appearing the more successful that I become in exposing the global conspiracy. Bring it on, I say, because this only happens when you are making a difference - and they have seen nothing yet. After what I have been through in the last 22 years, skins do not come any thicker.

'They said what?'

From PrisonPlanet correspondent, Paul Joseph Watson:

'An addendum to my earlier post about the Daily Mail smear on David Icke – Pete Samson has written an almost identical hit piece in ‘The Sun’ – that most venerable of newspapers which responded to the tragic deaths of 96 Liverpool fans after the Hillsborough disaster by inventing lies and smearing the victims. Samson is very much at home writing for a newspaper that appeals to some of the most moronic and braindead people ever to walk on the face of the British Isles.

Under the headline Wacky conspiracy theorist David Icke cashes in from world tour and booming book business, the Daily Mail, the same newspaper that supported Hitler before World War 2, employs a cocktail of lies, spin and sophomoric taunts in an attempt to discredit Icke. The establishment is obviously not happy about the fact that his speaking tour and books have proven to be wildly popular ...

... Here’s the good news – every single one of the ‘best rated’ responses to the article completely slams the Mail and supports Icke. The hit pieces don’t work anymore because the establishment media has lost all credibility – and articles like this will only see them lose more.'

http://www.prisonplanet.com/daily-mail-in-shambolic-shameful-hit-piece-against-david-icke.html

[seko]

Thanks Sun and Daily Mail! Please continue to spread David's name so more people type it into google/youtube and start their journey down the rabbit hole. Reverse psychology is a great way to help people learn things.

What this info about David Icke in these newspapers seems to be doing is to get the people against David Icke, but these newspapers might be trying to get a totally different result.....getting the people upset and on David's side, so that more people start going out on the streets and may be ending up in riots.

We shouldn't be on the streets accelerating their plans for marshal law.....cause that seems to be what they want.

[Cidersomerset]

That is possible Seko, if TPTB can provoke people to riot they can demonise them and squash it....David has never advised violence only non compliance where
feasible and possible..Until the tipping point has arrived and the people as a whole will not put up with tyrrany anymore this happens differently in most countries
But as we are being globalised, there may well be a kick back to TPTB who may not be able to put the lid on peoples who know their power is greater than they are
led to believe. So the establishment may collapse like a pack of cards.

At the momment we are led to believe that chaos will result and everything will fall apart.But it does not need to happen that way , if we are a 'democracy' and we
vote for more freedom and redistribution of land and wealth in return for everyone having a greater stake in their society, a new begining may evolve....
Unlikely I know and the mainstream would shout socialists,communists , fascists etc .......

I don't think of enlightened ET's as Commies or capitilists...but living in some sort
of harmonic community, they probably still have some problems but I'm sure they are not built on consumerism...Steve

[ktlight]

"British and American soldiers unknowingly are not fighting for their countries,
but for elite banks and corporations.
This is what happens when you become surpless to requirements.
You join the rest of us human beings, subject to fascist corporate law and the corporate officers of police-y who enforce it.
Welcome to prison planet earth!"

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[Cartomancer]

Regardless of what you think of Icke he tells it like it is. It's a shame that he and Jesse Ventura had that disagreement.

"I like Icke."

[Etherios]

Regardless of what you think of Icke he tells it like it is. It's a shame that he and Jesse Ventura had that disagreement.

"I like Icke."

Yes i like him also ... he explains how the system works and how they "train" us to be slaves.

[Maia Gabrial]

James Horak says that reptilians are getting a bad rap. I can understand that. Sure, there are disreputable ones, making alot of trouble for us; but it's not fair to lump them altogether and call them bad. Just look at how bad some Earth humans act.... Wouldn't you agree that there are bad apples everywhere in the galaxy?

If there have been reptilians living harmoniously among us, then we should accept them. If they've been born on Earth then they're Earth brothers and sisters, too. They've done no harm. The day will come when they'll be free to reveal themselves without fear of reprisals....That's understandable....
Won't it be interesting to see how they've been hiding in plain sight?

Anyway, it's the other ones that David Icke exposes that we should be concerned with. They're the ones that can't live peacefully with anyone....
Okay, so now I'm getting weird....Let the mockery begin....

[Chucky]

Yep gotta say the powers that be are clearly losing now we are starting to see their patterns or should say Modus Operendi (Method of Operation) "think I spelled that wrong..." Any way I met with David in Adelaide australia a couple months ago now. I was his un official security on his team helping. My son helped him carry his gear to the car when he left. I was shocked at the physical state he was in after such a long talk. He was so focussed and when I met him and shook his hand and of course got my pic with him I put my hand out to him to stop him getting up. He was so drawn and so tired I really respect the guy as a trooper for his efforts. He showed no strain during the lecture but behind the door we didn't allow anyone in until he was ready to. Amasing his smile and welcoming nature brought a visitor in early and we followed. What else can I say he is spot on with so much now it scares me thats for sure. I say let the fight begin because we have a hell of a rumble about to start and the news papers are clearly evident of this. The dictatorship in the USA is appauling and we all in all nations need to see this as it is. Good luck to us all.

[jackovesk]

David Icke speaking in 2009 and describing the plan for a Third World War involving a NATO conflict with China and Russia - recognise what he said in current events?

Thursday, 01 December 2011


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao3cZ3SvcNk&feature=player_embedded

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/56862-david-icke-speaking-in-2009-and-describing-the-plan-for-a-third-world-war-involving-a-nato-conflict-with-china-and-russia-recognise-what-he-said-in-current-events

[ktlight]

"Canadian Lawyer Richard Warman plots to stop David Icke and a speaking tour of Western Canada.

Once Warman fails to get Icke's book tour stopped, he resorts to "Maximum disruption" techniques to shut down Icke.

The video shows Richard Warman conspiring with local hoodlums to assault Mr. Icke at a book signing event in Vancouver.

These are video clips from: David Icke: Secret Rulers. The Lizards and the Jews"

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"Civil Rights Group Lauds Attorney General for New Legal Protections for Libraries

The B.C. Civil Liberties Association is praising Attorney General Geoff Plant and the provincial government for new legal protections for libraries that distribute materials that are alleged to be defamatory.

Bill 62, the Attorney General Statutues Amendment Act, 2004, among other things, amends the Libel and Slander Act to create a legal immunity for libraries that distribute materials which are subject to a claim of defamation. Previously, the state of the law made libraries that were subject to notification of a claim of defamation liable if they continued to distribute the materials and there was a legal finding that the materials were defamatory. The new legislation will however require libraries to respect court orders for injunctions prior to trial. The Bill can be viewed online at: http://www.legis.gov.bc.ca/37th5th/3rd_read/gov62-3.htm (section 16).

BCCLA Board member Ann Curry: "This is a vital new protection for ensuring the integrity of library collections and a victory for freedom of expression against efforts to impose prior restraint on materials even before any court finds that there is defamation. The ultimate winner here is the public who'll be able to continue to access controversial but not illegal materials."

The B.C. Civil Liberties Association had called on the Attorney General to reform defamation law in B.C. to protect libraries because of situations such as the legal wranglings between Richard Warman and David Icke, author of Children of the Matrix. Mr. Warman had sued Mr. Icke alleging that the book is defamatory. Before going to trial, Mr. Warman had written library officials in Kamloops, Victoria and Vancouver notifying them of his lawsuit and requesting the libraries pull the book from their shelves. Upon consulting legal advice, the library boards all removed The Children of the Matrix from circulation.

Dr. Curry, also a member of the B.C. Library Association and Associate Professor at UBC, adds: "In the Warman case, libraries had to comply with Mr. Warman's request or possibly face liability. This law will remedy that problem and ensure continued public access unless there is an injunction or finding of defamation. We believe this legislation is unique in North America and the B.C. government is to be congratulated."

British Columbia Civil Liberties Association
550 - 1188 W. Georgia Street
Vancouver, BC
V6E 4A2

E-mail: info@bccla.org
Web: www.bccla.org
Tel: 604-687-2919
Fax: 604-687-3045"

[jackovesk]

David Icke Explains Globalization in 34 Seconds

Friday, 02 December 2011


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMmS1ouzMD4&feature=player_embedded

[ktlight]

"David icke, through his many books and television appearances has made some surreal predictions.

Let us know look at what he said about World War Three, and see how this is coming to the forefront off our re laity as we speak.

Whether you love him or hate him, you cannot deny that he has been right about so much, and as this video will show, he is correct about this."

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[ktlight]

"Why would anyone want to join the EU when clearly it is failing."
AustralianAllTheWay 1 hour ago

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[aranuk]

Keep up the good work David!

Stan

[Ria]

Excellent. worth the time.

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks KTlight great little interview.....Steve

[StephenW11UK]

Many of you will be familiar with Bill's interview with David Icke and Jordan Maxwell, where @ 1:46:25 into the discussion Jordan tells of a phone call he received from a representative of five 'christian families' who during a holiday together came into forced close contact with a reptilian being who, to put it mildly, frightened the s**t out of them - perhaps the most convincing reptilian contact story I've come across!

You may find the following short email worth considering as another piece of evidence pointing to the definite existence among us of reptilians:

http://www.stuartwilde.com/2011/11/david-icke-is-right-about-the-reptiles/

[modwiz]

I am right there with Icke and Wilde. There is a concept called Archons that I work into this mix, that is they are the same lot. If Stuie is seeing billions then he must be able to perceive the infected along with the infectors. What a mess to clean up.

Thanks for the link.

[Mark]

There is a concept called Archons that I work into this mix, that is they are the same lot.

This is exactly what I'm trying to figure out myself. If the Reptilians (whatever planet they're from, if they're Annunaki or not, if they're descendants of dinosauras or not) are all corporeal or astral or both. If some groups are and some groups are not. And if the groups that have not figured out higher dimensional access are subject to control by the Archons who seem to be fully incorporeal . I heard a guy the other day saying Lash was wrong, and the Greys and Reptilians don't represent the Archons. That the Nag Hammadi speaks of the Archons being like "unformed" fetuses, which is more like amoebas. This guy also claims that the pictures that constable took back in the day (http://tarrdaniel.com/documents/Ufology/skycritters.html) are the Archons. He says that Casteneda/Don Juan called them the Night Flyers, or the Foreign Installation, which were similarly amoeba-like, unformed.

[modwiz]

There is a concept called Archons that I work into this mix, that is they are the same lot.

This is exactly what I'm trying to figure out myself. If the Reptilians (whatever planet they're from, if they're Annunaki or not, if they're descendants of dinosauras or not) are all corporeal or astral or both. If some groups are and some groups are not. And if the groups that have not figured out higher dimensional access are subject to control by the Archons who seem to be fully incorporeal . I heard a guy the other day saying Lash was wrong, and the Greys and Reptilians don't represent the Archons. That the Nag Hammadi speaks of the Archons being like "unformed" fetuses, which is more like amoebas. This guy also claims that the pictures that constable took back in the day (http://tarrdaniel.com/documents/Ufology/skycritters.html) are the Archons. He says that Casteneda/Don Juan called them the Night Flyers, or the Foreign Installation, which were similarly amoeba-like, unformed.

Screw the details. Too much distraction. By their fruits you will know them. I just know?, they are based 4th dimensionally and have representation here on earth in a few possible scenarios. Trying to figure out who has the exact definition correct is definitely part of their game. I said I work with a concept. Like putting something on my hard drive, it is up for editing or deletion. The problem is identified by the rotten fruit and bad smell. I can work with all of the above descriptions, like the biota of an evil dimension there are more than one form of expression. Sounds right for a 4th dimensional being(s).

I hope that was helpful.

[Mark]

Screw the details. Too much distraction ... I hope that was helpful.

LOL Yes, it was, VERY. :bump2:

I know what you mean, though. That is where the disinfo comes in, misdirection, yadayada. I'm trying to write about this stuff so I'm attempting to put together all of the stories, find what is common to them, and come to some understanding so I can share the info as accurately as possible.

I rather think there is some form of reality to the tale of the Annunaki, while Lash thinks that they are a figment of the Archon's miseducation. I'll keep researching. Thanks for your response.

[Calz]

I am right there with Icke and Wilde. There is a concept called Archons that I work into this mix, that is they are the same lot. If Stuie is seeing billions then he must be able to perceive the infected along with the infectors. What a mess to clean up.

Thanks for the link.

Stuie "the morph" Wilde :)

I really like him. Don't hear his name here often.

[1derer]

I think that it would be extremely unwise to take the word of anyone who claims that there is such thing as a reptilian as fact and to trust them on that when they themselves have seen them using a 'trance state' and that they can see reptillians and smell their rotting swamp smell as they pass!!!!

This is nothing but a personal idea, or at best, mere speculation.

If anyone believes this without seeing any first hand evidence or any scientific evidence then we are really doing ourselves a gross injustice

[Mark]

I think that it would be extremely unwise to take the word of anyone who claims that there is such thing as a reptilian as fact and to trust them on that when they themselves have seen them using a 'trance state' and that they can see reptillians and smell their rotting swamp smell as they pass!!!!

This is nothing but a personal idea, or at best, mere speculation.

If anyone believes this without seeing any first hand evidence or any scientific evidence then we are really doing ourselves a gross injustice

Thank you very much for your words of warning. We are all on a journey of discovery and seek to find the truth. The evidence for Reptilians is ancient. If you would like some resources, I would be glad to direct you to some, although they are as near as any bible, ancient mythological tale, pictures of historical sites and architecture, within our biology itself, or within the collective unconscious.

All we have to do is look for it. :)

[Calz]

And I’d like to add something, that he may or may not know, which I know, because I can see the reptilian humans when walking down the street; (they give off a signal that’s easy to spot—and a rotting swamp smell. I can’t go into it here in detail—it’s the Devil sweat). There are billions of reptile humans on earth.

http://www.stuartwilde.com/2011/11/david-icke-is-right-about-the-reptiles/

Damn ... now *where* did I leave those handy sunglasses again???


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[1derer]

I think that it would be extremely unwise to take the word of anyone who claims that there is such thing as a reptilian as fact and to trust them on that when they themselves have seen them using a 'trance state' and that they can see reptillians and smell their rotting swamp smell as they pass!!!!

This is nothing but a personal idea, or at best, mere speculation.

If anyone believes this without seeing any first hand evidence or any scientific evidence then we are really doing ourselves a gross injustice

Thank you very much for your words of warning. We are all on a journey of discovery and seek to find the truth. The evidence for Reptilians is ancient. If you would like some resources, I would be glad to direct you to some, although they are as near as any bible, ancient mythological tale, pictures of historical sites and architecture, within our biology itself, or within the collective unconscious.

All we have to do is look for it. :)

Rahkyt, there is evidence in acnient religions of the serpent, and a lizard looking guy, as seen in Mayan imagery and statues of Quetzacoahtl, but this is hardly evidence, now is it?

Many ancient tribes use animals to represent gods and have handed them down through Oral tradition of origins, but this does not mean there is a god of thunder, or an eagle man or cat man, this was just a way of them trying to put a context on what is seen in life.

What I am asking for is that we take a big step back, and review the ideas behind these concepts and ideas, but not write fantastical threads such as Icke is right about the reptilians...

HAs anyone ever seen a reptile face to face? or do they all live in other dimensions?

How do they go into a human? don't the reptilian forms have a problem merging with a human? I mean one looks like a walking dinosaur with a tail, and I am sure this would have logisitical effects in a human body.

Or is the human body like a zip up jump suit that the reppies step into and then zip up?

All these videos that show so called reppies are merely pixealtion effects or other digital degradation effects...

All we have are the 'stories of others, and nothing else!' Are we to allow our suspension of disbelief to become a truth?

[Calz]

Some have come forward with their stories of seeing various "species" without trance ... there are many such confessions in the Camelot library.

When does that just become a "story". Are we to disbelieve anything unless/until we see it with our own eyes? Are we to disbelieve everything the ancient cultures have tried to pass along for our benefit?

Healthy scepticism is great.

So is an open mind.

[Mark]

All we have are the 'stories of others, and nothing else!' Are we to allow our suspension of disbelief to become a truth?

LOL. I will not argue with you as it seems you have not done your due diligence and researched these issues at depth. Perhaps when you have we will have a discussion about it. I am quite well acquainted with the 'scientific method' and have done my research, it is incumbent upon you to do the same, in depth. Look past the surface, look deeper than the simple websites that speak of traditional archeology. Seek truth beyond the hype.

And good luck to you with it all! :)

[1derer]

Some have come forward with their stories of seeing various "species" without trance ... there are many such confessions in the Camelot library.

When does that just become a "story". Are we to disbelieve anything unless/until we see it with our own eyes? Are we to disbelieve everything the ancient cultures have tried to pass along for our benefit?

Healthy scepticism is great.

So is an open mind.

I am a healthy skeptic with an open mind, but I refuse to be duped into thinking that there is an evil race of reptiles that are trying to take over the world. If they were reptiles, then surely they would have eaten humans a long time ago? and why would they want to depopulate humans, if we are a food source?

Perhaps the only real reptiles are these?

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If there were reptiles, we would see more evidence of them on the earth, yet not a sausage. The ancients were not trying to warn us of reptilian aliens, that is simply ridiculous to suggest it, and how convenient that throughout the entire history of the human, there has NEVER been a reptile that has been caught, yet they are everywhere!

So then I cannot believe or accept that they exist u=other than the cute little things in that video, and as I said, if anyone actually believes this codswallop, then they are no better than the so called 'sheeple' whom they so regularly deride.

And if there were such a thing as reptiles, and they have taken over, then shouldn't man be a tad more respectful towards them, considering they have taken over every human being, can move in the physical or spiritual realms, are far more clever than man, and are allegedly running every government military and religious institution in the world and clearly cannot and will not be beaten in a scrap?

[Mike]

anyone else here check out alexa.com?

Project Avalon came in at a little over 45000. not too shabby.

hell, we've got Deepok Chopra beat. lol! i was just thinking what a humorously pathetic rallying cry that would be if the forum became desperate for members one day: Come To Project Avalon, a place that's collectively more popular than Deepok Chopra!

but in all seriousness, that score is nothing to sneeze at for a sort of fringe or 'alt' site. pretty cool.

sorry, and now we're :focus:

[1derer]

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So this young lady then is your so called example of a real reptillian?

How utterly preposterous.

[Cjay]

1derer, Have you ever seen air? By your definition, air must not exist.

[Mark]

Healthy scepticism is great.

So is an open mind.

Well, the evidence presented by eye-witnesses is not believable, according to many. People are too fallible. The UFOs, the Yeti, Reptilians, Greys, Fairies, all of that stuff that countless people over many millennia have described, written about, drawn, carved, means nothing, because we are smarter than they were, we are more objective than they are, we are more modern and educated than they are or were. Psychic capabilities are not real and people cannot do amazing things with their minds, view places at a distance or visit other dimensions, because people cannot do that, it cannot be replicated in a lab, therefore, it is not real.

This topic is so broad and all of it is interconnected. Holistic, synthetic thought is required in order to put the puzzle together, find the pieces strewn across multiple cultures, different languages, diverse geographic landscapes. It takes research. A LOT of it to find what has been deliberately obscured, hidden from the casual and even the focused eye and mind.

But laziness is unacceptable. Especially when knowing the truth or not is a life and death kind of affair.

[1derer]

All we have are the 'stories of others, and nothing else!' Are we to allow our suspension of disbelief to become a truth?

LOL. I will not argue with you as it seems you have not done your due diligence and researched these issues at depth. Perhaps when you have we will have a discussion about it. I am quite well acquainted with the 'scientific method' and have done my research, it is incumbent upon you to do the same, in depth. Look past the surface, look deeper than the simple websites that speak of traditional archeology. Seek truth beyond the hype.

And good luck to you with it all! :)

I have done sufficient due diligence, and need not discuss this with someone who has convinced themselves that fairies exist based on some scratchings upon a tablet or carvings on a statue, as being factual evidence of this fact.

Unless someone has hard evidence of a reptilian, we should not assume that such things exist, and until that point is cleared up, due diligence into the matter has been applied.

You claim to have done your research, yet with ZERO evidence have now decided upon the misguided notion that reptiles exist? Bravo!

[Mark]

You claim to have done your research, yet with ZERO evidence have now decided upon the misguided notion that reptiles exist? Bravo!

LOL You're funny. The thing is, I do not have to prove anything to you. It makes no difference to me what you know or what you do not know, as I do not know you nor do I have any vested interest in your knowledge or ignorance. You came to this thread as a debunker and with an attitude of challenge and derision, which means that you came here spoiling for a fight. And now you are utilizing belligerent language and deriding forum members in order to belittle us and paint yourself as better because you "do not believe in Reptilians".

There is no cause for me to interact with you at all, as your lack of respect and negativity is an energy drain, and does not help anyone in any way but you.

Again, I wish you the best of luck with your research! I'm sorry that I cannot help you with it any further. :)

[Carmody]

Many of you will be familiar with Bill's interview with David Icke and Jordan Maxwell, where @ 1:46:25 into the discussion Jordan tells of a phone call he received from a representative of five 'christian families' who during a holiday together came into forced close contact with a reptilian being who, to put it mildly, frightened the s**t out of them - perhaps the most convincing reptilian contact story I've come across!

You may find the following short email worth considering as another piece of evidence pointing to the definite existence among us of reptilians:

http://www.stuartwilde.com/2011/11/david-icke-is-right-about-the-reptiles/

I used Google earth to find what could be the place they camped..AND the place the alleged ceremony took place at.

I used Google earth..and the vortex maps ley line KMZ file overlay.

I tried the suspect highways and the suspect directions and there was a point..where it could have actually been at. A place where 3 ley lines intersected at the bottom of a hill/mountain,and there was circular crescent shaped clearing of the described size..and a place to camp at the top of this given hill..which is just off a main highway artery that might be taken by family going north out of Nevada..into the mountains.

So yes, I found what might have been the actual location. Dead smack in the center of a 3 ley line intersect.

39 49'43.03"N 106 09'02.60"W

[Carmody]

oh crap.

one of the lines goes through the great salt lake, that central point of 'salts', like the 'salt beds' in the 'question of lithium' thread. the other end of it ends up at UVG 18, which is the Bahamas. another 'suspect' point.

(UVG points are the grid points on the ley line map or vortex map of the earth)

Another line goes through UVG 8, the suspected underground base in Alberta Canada..with the oil sands and the cattle mutilations and such, all covered in the lithium and the 'suspected underground entrances' thread.

the OTHER end of that line goes down to UVG 58, which is off the coast and tip of Argentina/Chile.

And we know who lives there.

The last of the three lines..goes to UVG 11, in the UK, in northern Scotland, and we know who lives there. 'Scottish rite', etc.

Well, I think that is all very interesting..........

I hate it when all the evidence fits, it tends to drag you down the rabbit hole, whether you want to go or not.

In the soul harvester thread, I posited that the ley lines are weakened dimensional crossing areas, ie, the blue ghost tunnel and now the 'mohawk' burial of the children by the church on that given line, how wynderer (forum member) had large amounts of issues with invading spirits and lived in the finger lakes area, which is a ley line nexus point. And on..and on...

So, I do not know where they camped but this is about as close a guess as we are going to get, methinks.

[Mike]

i can sort of see both sides of the battle between Rahkyt and 1derer...

a preponderance of evidence does not always suggest proof. it may suggest a high probability of proof, but one can never be sure. and the evidence -especially in the ever-elusive field of the paranormal and the cosmic - is usually highly subjective.

on the flip side, we have folks who will continue to deny certain seemingly obvious things - things like ufo's - because there is no proof despite what appears to be overwhelming evidence.

i generally find that people will manipulate the proof/truth dynamic to serve their needs: the intellectually lazy will continue to demand proof to avoid doing any real research, and someone who is perhaps a little too eager to prove something will present their evidence a bit overzealously, like certain whistle-blowers are wont to do.

i think we've all been both of these archetypes in varying degrees at different points in our lives. i don't think the professor is necessarily overeager, nor do i think iderer is intellectually lazy - i think it may just be a semantical misunderstanding.

i personally believe the 'reptile' theory, though i can't say why specifically. i don't have the "proof". it's just intuition combined w/all the bits of info i've collected over the years. i know that wouldn't satisfy a scientific journal, but it's good enough for me.

[Calz]

All points of view are fine as long as they are done with respect. :yo:

I think there has been plenty enough of emotional posting lately to last for awhile.

I am trying to pull up Bob Dean's testimoney on Camelot but getting really slow response. Hopefully in a bit.

[Mark]

I hate it when all the evidence fits, it tends to drag you down the rabbit hole, whether you want to go or not.

In the soul harvester thread, I posited that the ley lines are weakened dimensional crossing areas, ie, the blue ghost tunnel and now the 'mohawk' burial of the children by the church on that given line, how wynderer (forum member) had large amounts of issues with invading spirits and lived in the finger lakes area, which is a ley line nexus point. And on..and on...

So, I do not know where they camped but this is about as close a guess as we are going to get, methinks.

I'm assuming this is the story about the family who was out camping and witnessed a ritual, and then were accosted by a Reptilian. Thanks for doing the energetic research, Carmody, it is interesting that research into geomancy (http://www.vortexmaps.com/grid-workers.php) has shown an association between these types of sightings and others of an ultra/extra-dimensional sort and very specific earth locations. My question has always been, if the tilt of the earth upon its access really fluctuates between 23.5 and 21.2 or something like that, then does that also mean that ley lines move as well in relation to solar and galactic focal points?

Ancient stories about the earth being perpendicular also come to mind, straight up and down on its axis, during earlier eras of human habitation of this planet. In my mind, the physical record is wiped clean with every cataclysm and the planet itself shifts, creating new relationships with the other planets and stars, so each Age has its own peculiar interaction that is unique and ephemeral, dependent upon time and space in its multi-dimensional resonant spiraling.

Higher dimensional realities and our interactions with them must also shift as well. So ceremonies, incantations and such must mirror these changes. If one is on the horizon, serious earth changes of this magnitude, then perhaps the Earth Grid is shifting now in preparation with the magnetic pole shift currently underway only being one sign of something much larger.

[1derer]

i can sort of see both sides of the battle between Rahkyt and 1derer...

a preponderance of evidence does not always suggest proof. it may suggest a high probability of proof, but one can never be sure. and the evidence -especially in the ever-elusive field of the paranormal and the cosmic - is usually highly subjective.

on the flip side, we have folks who will continue to deny certain seemingly obvious things - things like ufo's - because there is no proof despite what appears to be overwhelming evidence.

i generally find that people will manipulate the proof/truth dynamic to serve their needs: the intellectually lazy will continue to demand proof to avoid doing any real research, and someone who is perhaps a little to eager to prove something will present their evidence a little overzealously, like certain whistle-blowers are wont to do.

i think we've all been both of these archetypes in varying degrees at different points in our lives. i don't think the professor is necessarily overeager, nor do i think iderer is intellectually lazy - i think it may just be a semantical misunderstanding.

i personally believe the 'reptile' theory, though i can't say why specifically. i don't have the "proof". it's just intuition combined w/all the bits of info i've collected over the years. i know that wouldn't satisfy a scientific journal, but it's good enough for me.

Good comments chiniceski, at least someone sees the point being made and has the maturity to tell it like it is...I also do not consider this a battle, I am certainly open to the idea that something might be going on behind the scenes but to claim Icke is right, or anyone else for that matter without a smidgen of evidence is a very isolated position to be in. At least the UFO phenomena has objects in the sky, and I believe that aliens might exist based on the improbability of earth being the only planet to harbour life and based upon the size of the universe, but a reptillian based on video degredation, lighting effects or paitings on a wall of a snake? LMAO!

Anyhoo, what do you think of the video of the girl I placed here that noone had the balls to comment on? do you perceive that as being an example of a repltilian, or is it what I believe a small coincidence that her pupils formed differently?

Also you said you think they exist, do you know what it is that makes you feel that way?

[Carmody]

You claim to have done your research, yet with ZERO evidence have now decided upon the misguided notion that reptiles exist? Bravo!

LOL You're funny. The thing is, I do not have to prove anything to you. It makes no difference to me what you know or what you do not know, as I do not know you nor do I have any vested interest in your knowledge or ignorance. You came to this thread as a debunker and with an attitude of challenge and derision, which means that you came here spoiling for a fight. And now you are utilizing belligerent language and deriding forum members in order to belittle us and paint yourself as better because you "do not believe in Reptilians".

There is no cause for me to interact with you at all, as your lack of respect and negativity is an energy drain, and does not help anyone in any way but you.

Again, I wish you the best of luck with your research! I'm sorry that I cannot help you with it any further. :)

How base, that a member accuses another of derision and challenging attitude, along with being a debunker if they should not agree with the very post, and then to act as mother hen and speak on behalf of everyone!


Go experience it for yourself. Get involved to the point that something happens to you, or around you.

Try harder.

Get out there and poke your nose in places where you think it does not belong, specifically concerning these subjects. Search out direct contact.

Best of luck to you.

If you are lucky, the worst that will happen is the experience will scare the crap out of you.

I personally do not rate reptilians, if they exist, as being 'specifically' evil. Whatever that entirely human concept means.

Regardless, the situation does indeed exist in some form or another.

[Mark]

All points of view are fine as long as they are done with respect. :yo:

I think there has been plenty enough of emotional posting lately to last for awhile.

LOL My name is Emmit, I ain't (no longer) in it. I'm here to talk about the subject at hand, not do someone else's research, so I'm not interested in continuing any kind of disagreement. Truthfully, there is just sooooooooo much information that you have to process to even come to some kind of logical and rational understanding of this phenomenon that there is no way I'm going to list resources or write out information trying to explain it to anybody unless it is in a book. You're exactly right, I certainly have had enough of debate energy lately. SMFH.



i can sort of see both sides of the battle between Rahkyt and 1derer...

LOL It's not a battle! Just me "speaking for everybody" and bowing out of basic paranormal education and argumentation for a while and trying to do so quickly and with humor.


i personally believe the 'reptile' theory, though i can't say why specifically. i don't have the "proof". it's just intuition combined w/all the bits of info i've collected over the years. i know that wouldn't satisfy a scientific journal, but it's good enough for me.

And, really, this is the case with everything, even a lot of the stuff that goes into scientific journals. Finding that out was the final straw in my sojourn into academia. Once I learned how to learn, I no longer needed the titles and degrees. Or the system.

Intuition is best, as is that resonation that fills one's body when one is filled with Truth. For me, that is more of an indicator of what is 'real' and what is not than any form of 'proof', no matter how quantitative or scientifically valid, whatever that really means.

[Jonathon]

Nothing can be proven as there is no proof - not even the most mundane and universally accepted 'truths'. I have seen a UFO. Is that proof to anyone outside myself? If 4 others saw it at the same time, does that prove it to the rest of you? Of course it doesn't. Sorry to be trite - I've said this over and over - facts are not truth and there is no proof (nice rhyme :p). The only truth is in your own experience. Until which time we can collectively experience and disseminate another's experience 1st hand, no such proof will ever exist.

If you are unable to accept something, that's quite alright, however it has nothing to do with truth or proof. It simply means it doesn't conform to your sense of identity (that which is the culmination of your experience).

I rejected Reptilians early on myself - until I allowed myself to bypass preconception and make sense of it, which now I have. When it is all said and done, however, it doesn't really matter what form they take. They are certainly there, if not by their own design then by invitation. For all I know the reptilian form is simply a representation (what isn't after all) occurring at a level of perception 'unlocked' by an astute observer - a manifested 6th sense of some sort. I've had something close in my experience - just not quite to perception of physical manifestation... but darned close.

The reptilian brain and serpent form is worshiped in all aspects. This includes ceremony with the intention of drawing 'divine' manifestation of form and power to the subject. Energetic as well as physical vampirism is one of many realms this enters. You are what you eat and become what you willfully intend. Further, the serpent form is not only called into manifestation, it is and has been diligently evolving through the bloodline for ages with the intention of maintaining/divining all of those hard-earned traits. You think these bloodlines are just some leisure fancy? They are trying to evolve into something via selective breeding, genetic management and through 'dark will' (and whatever assistance that brings). It's a very nasty game of service. Doubt it not. These people may be F*****d Up, but they are definitely not stupid. These aren't college kids with a candle and black lipstick. This is ANCIENT tradition with all the bells and whistles thousands of years ahead of scientific advancement in ALL areas grants them. Consider it from that angle.

[Carmody]

I hate it when all the evidence fits, it tends to drag you down the rabbit hole, whether you want to go or not.

In the soul harvester thread, I posited that the ley lines are weakened dimensional crossing areas, ie, the blue ghost tunnel and now the 'mohawk' burial of the children by the church on that given line, how wynderer (forum member) had large amounts of issues with invading spirits and lived in the finger lakes area, which is a ley line nexus point. And on..and on...

So, I do not know where they camped but this is about as close a guess as we are going to get, methinks.

I'm assuming this is the story about the family who was out camping and witnessed a ritual, and then were accosted by a Reptilian. Thanks for doing the energetic research, Carmody, it is interesting that research into geomancy (http://www.vortexmaps.com/grid-workers.php) has shown an association between these types of sightings and others of an ultra/extra-dimensional sort and very specific earth locations. My question has always been, if the tilt of the earth upon its access really fluctuates between 23.5 and 21.2 or something like that, then does that also mean that ley lines move as well in relation to solar and galactic focal points?

Ancient stories about the earth being perpendicular also come to mind, straight up and down on its axis, during earlier eras of human habitation of this planet. In my mind, the physical record is wiped clean with every cataclysm and the planet itself shifts, creating new relationships with the other planets and stars, so each Age has its own peculiar interaction that is unique and ephemeral, dependent upon time and space in its multi-dimensional resonant spiraling.

Higher dimensional realities and our interactions with them must also shift as well. So ceremonies, incantations and such must mirror these changes. If one is on the horizon, serious earth changes of this magnitude, then perhaps the Earth Grid is shifting now in preparation with the magnetic pole shift currently underway only being one sign of something much larger.

The current grid is tied to the vibrational hot spots for the bell ring or oscillatory shaping of the earth, according to the known hot spots. the primary starting points are the Great Pyramid, etc. There are different geometric points depending on on the frequencies involved..that the earth would shape itself or ring at, according to 'cymatics'.


The lines, in our ground based perception, do tend to wander at bit.

for example, where one ley line comes from a large body of water to the shore line at the place/location I am at.... a small truncated pyramid is located there, along with Freemason symbology.

The entire area along that ley line, that is occupied by people via buildings and what not... is covered with lighting rods. But no where outside of that area. And so on.

[Mike]

i can sort of see both sides of the battle between Rahkyt and 1derer...

a preponderance of evidence does not always suggest proof. it may suggest a high probability of proof, but one can never be sure. and the evidence -especially in the ever-elusive field of the paranormal and the cosmic - is usually highly subjective.

on the flip side, we have folks who will continue to deny certain seemingly obvious things - things like ufo's - because there is no proof despite what appears to be overwhelming evidence.

i generally find that people will manipulate the proof/truth dynamic to serve their needs: the intellectually lazy will continue to demand proof to avoid doing any real research, and someone who is perhaps a little to eager to prove something will present their evidence a little overzealously, like certain whistle-blowers are wont to do.

i think we've all been both of these archetypes in varying degrees at different points in our lives. i don't think the professor is necessarily overeager, nor do i think iderer is intellectually lazy - i think it may just be a semantical misunderstanding.

i personally believe the 'reptile' theory, though i can't say why specifically. i don't have the "proof". it's just intuition combined w/all the bits of info i've collected over the years. i know that wouldn't satisfy a scientific journal, but it's good enough for me.

Good comments chiniceski, at least someone sees the point being made and has the maturity to tell it like it is...I also do not consider this a battle, I am certainly open to the idea that something might be going on behind the scenes but to claim Icke is right, or anyone else for that matter without a smidgen of evidence is a very isolated position to be in. At least the UFO phenomena has objects in the sky, and I believe that aliens might exist based on the improbability of earth being the only planet to harbour life and based upon the size of the universe, but a reptillian based on video degredation, lighting effects or paitings on a wall of a snake? LMAO!

Anyhoo, what do you think of the video of the girl I placed here that noone had the balls to comment on? do you perceive that as being an example of a repltilian, or is it what I believe a small coincidence that her pupils formed differently?

Also you said you think they exist, do you know what it is that makes you feel that way?


ok, i just watched the video, and my initial thoughts are: that chick is kinda cute! and the accent isn't hurting her either. at all.

well yeah, seriously though, i'm with you here 100%. these youtube vids of the flickering eyes are dubious at best.

what is it that makes me feel reptilian entities exist? my honest and short answer is: i don't know. but the way you phrased your question leads me to believe that you have an idea as to why people believe in such things...yes? no?

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sorry guys, 'battle', was a bad choice of words. how's 'debate'?;)

[Asyloth]

Ain't it strange that when you start talking about this subject you'll always find yourself beaten up by some people? When it goes about UFO's, shamanism, conspiracies and so on and so on, people can more or less see how it makes sense and deserves serious attention but when it comes to reptilians you always find people jumping up to the roof gazing with this "bull****" look.

I read your discussion Rahkyt and 1derer. I join 1derer when he says that maybe you shouldn't be a 100% sure of this stuff until you've seen hardcore evidence or a reptilian yourself. But I join Rahkyt on the fact that you came here with a very beligerent attitude and that you don't seem to me to be open minded about this.
Maybe Rahkyt shouldn't be so sure of something he isn't really sure of, making himself open to deception.
Maybe 1derer shouldn't be so sure of something he isn't really sure of either, you claim Rahkyt shouldn't believe something without hardcore evidence but you yourself believe the complete opposite with even less evidence, making yourself close minded about it.

I personally take the reptilian stuff seriously, I think it makes sense and above it all, Icke has been so right about more or less everything that I tend to wonder why he wouldn't be right on this one, yet I leave it open to all possibilies, meaning that reptilians may exist, or not, I don't know for sure.

[Jonathon]

Ain't it strange that when you start talking about this subject you'll always find yourself beaten up by some people? When it goes about UFO's, shamanism, conspiracies and so on and so on, people can more or less see how it makes sense and deserves serious attention but when it comes to reptilians you always find people jumping up to the roof gazing with this "bull****" look.

I read your discussion Rahkyt and 1derer. I join 1derer when he says that maybe you shouldn't be a 100% sure of this stuff until you've seen hardcore evidence or a reptilian yourself. But I join Rahkyt on the fact that you came here with a very beligerent attitude and that you don't seem to me to be open minded about this.
Maybe Rahkyt shouldn't be so sure of something he isn't really sure of, making himself open to deception.
Maybe 1derer shouldn't be so sure of something he isn't really sure of either, you claim Rahkyt shouldn't believe something without hardcore evidence but you yourself believe the complete opposite with even less evidence, making yourself close minded about it.

I personally take the reptilian stuff seriously, I think it makes sense and above it all, Icke has been so right about more or less everything that I tend to wonder why he wouldn't be right on this one, yet I leave it open to all possibilies, meaning that reptilians may exist, or not, I don't know for sure.

I tend to agree Asyloth, however I would say too that I can TOTALLY appreciate how and why reptilians are so hard to accept - it's reeealllly far out there. You have to really get into the nasty places that most people dare not go. I also agree that the difficulty in it being accepted does in fact hurt David's believability. Of course, that has nothing to do (once again) with truth. I think he would have drawn 3 to 10 times more of an audience without it... but once again, your truth is your truth. He wouldn't be David Ike if he wasn't David Ike. I respect him fully and completely and appreciate every level of his contribution - far out or not.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

During the early 90's Barbara Marciniak was my introduction to the reptilian agenda and Earth's ancient history. Information about the reptilians has come from other sources as well, but Barbara Marciniak's information is still my favorite. It resonates with me.

There are "dark side" reptilians and "light side" reptilians according to Barbara and others. My gut feeling is that this info is true.

The only reptilians I've (knowingly) met were in dreams.

[Mike]

you make a good point Asyloth.

when it comes to the paranormal, we have to consider what i like to call "relative outrageousness" before we label something outrageous simply for the sake of marginalizing it.

for if we believe in fairies and poltergeists and ufo's, is it really that much of a stretch to consider reptilians?;)

[ponda]

Reptilians are probably just the tip of a very big iceberg.There are most likely beings/entities out there that defy the imagination imho

[Carmody]

The location I found, I had sent to Bill, about half a year back or more. So he could pass that along to Jordan, if he desired to do so.

I never investigated the ley line termination points ....and that resulted in my involvement in this thread... and subsequent further discovery of termination points, this particular day, today. Those termination points seem to support all prior evidence and considerations...in that something of substance is involved in the 'reptilian' premise.

[Aetheric Traveler]

The following is my opinion: Remember, just my opinion. Opinion because "playing the game" requires separating fact from fiction, truth from misdirection, real information from ingeniously planted falsehoods woven around a few truths. Perceptioneering is a complex game played by the Powers to mold and manipulate minds, future thoughts and behaviors. Ok, here goes.

1.) There are such beings as Reptilians because there are too many ancient bas relief depictions to call them coincidence, fantasy, hoaxes or purposefully planted diversionary infomation bits. They are only one of many species of creatures that I simply call "Other-World-Life" depicted on ancient artwork that never seems to find a place in the average school textbook.

2.) The "powers that be" are doing their damnest to undermine all avenues of true and verifiable sources of information, people who spread truth and web sites that share truth regarding those species of "Other-World-Life".

3.) You can bet those "powers" are going to sow dissension, disinformation, misdirection and outright lies woven into bits of truth to give those lies the appearance of credibility, so people will not really know what to believe. If you can't fool them totally and get the masses to believe the lie(s) you want, then at least confuse the living crap out of their simple little minds with conflicting info.

4.) Their most common tactic is Problem, Reaction, Solution and it leaves a telltale trail that is visible as a "You will know them by their fruits" signature. Once you get used to seeing this signature, it becomes easier to spot.

5.) The next touted Problem, Reaction, Solution "Created Enemy" (after spending decades and Zillions of $$$- read, our $$$, to convince us ET's don't exist) is supposed to be " The Alien Threat". The signature is the same as Terrorist, War on Terror, Can't trust that foreign Dictator, WMD, etc, Just the new bad guy on the block to cover up their nefarious activities while they steal us blind.

6.) David Icke has been railing against the Powers for years and they have been unsuccessful in their attempts to discredit, debunk, disempower him. What better way to make him seem the fool than by painting him as the man who tells people "Reptilians are bad guys"???. (when they are not)

7.) Reptilians, like many other life forms, participate in the Cosmic Non-Interference Directive: (now hear this) If they were the bad guys, they would have taken over the Earth long ago and eaten all the humans for lunch if that's what they really do, which I simply do not believe. The depictions of these creatures in ancient tablets and graphics shows a cooperative and acknowledging relationship, not one of Lordship, Slavery, destruction or subservience or conflict.

8.) Since the Powers do not want the average Dumb-Joe to believe the Reptilians are good guys, they are going to paint them as bad guys in an all out effort to make sure that Reptilians do not start teaching humans about the Djed Pillar, the Torus Free Energy Equations, Zero Point Energy devices and other concepts like Faster than Light Travel, the Hollow Earth and the Grid Pattern of the planet. What better way to discredit them than to create mass fear of them?

9.) The "Powers" timetable for springing the trap on all us dopey little humans who helplessly watch the Powers manipulate the worlds economies into the toilet is nearing its final phase where all the productivity of the planet practically comes to a grinding halt, creating mass chaos, Marshall Law inception and activation and the usage of all the Presidential Executive Orders that completely enslave people in the USA to the New World Order so that we can all have a nice little RFID chip implanted in our bodies for electronic money, constant surveillance and complete obedience to the Powers. Anyone who tries to "educate" others to the reality of any space travelers or alternative energy methods will find themselves removed from society electronically and financially.

If information was ever so simple as to say this is good, that is bad, this is true, that is false, then, nobody would have the freedom to be a free thinker just as nobody would have the opportunity to attempt ruling the world. My first impression of the link from StuartWilde is that heresay is or has become the latest, newest form of persuasvie yellow cyber-journalism aka, my friend got a visit and said he got scared. Oh, pllllllllllease!!!

Sorry, not buying it.

And that's my opinion. I'm sticking to it like 5 day old underwear until someone comes along and tells me it smells .... well, like 5 day old underwear!!! :>)

Cheers,
AT

[Mark]

The current grid is tied to the vibrational hot spots for the bell ring or oscillatory shaping of the earth, according to the known hot spots. the primary starting points are the Great Pyramid, etc. There are different geometric points depending on on the frequencies involved..that the earth would shape itself or ring at, according to 'cymatics'.


The lines, in our ground based perception, do tend to wander at bit.

for example, where one ley line comes from a large body of water to the shore line at the place/location I am at.... a small truncated pyramid is located there, along with Freemason symbology.

The entire area along that ley line, that is occupied by people via buildings and what not... is covered with lighting rods. But no where outside of that area. And so on.

Very interesting. I believe Coral Castle down in Florida was built close to such a location I think. I don't belong to any secretive organizations or anything like that but it has always struck me as peculiar to learn about ancient organizations and to find their modern-day equivalents engaging in the very same behavior with just an advance in technology.

There are a couple of theories regarding the earth's shape. It's bulge at the equators being considered an oblate spheroid rather than a circle, making it a bit squashed at the poles, for instance. Was that caused by some sort of expansion that is going on with the earth, or was it a side-effect of the earth's spin on its axis, as the traditional explanation goes? Considering the fact that it's size and measurements are very important in the determination of these hot spots and their dispersal across the globe, they must of necessity be quite dynamic, much as we see the magnetosphere and ionosphere to be, in relation to the current intensity of solar flares and extra-solar emanations in the form of cosmic ray influx into earth system.

The energetic mathematics necessary to take advantage of these energy vortices has been traditionally managed by invocation/Logos/the Word/aural ossilations and also by the maneuvering of space with hand gestures, or spells, which are a form of technology so advanced as to be considered magic, which is what the people mentioned in the original thread witnessed, drawing the attention of those ultra-dimensional reptilians who were present. The fact that they only engaged in threatening behavior and did nothing to hurt the people is telling. That always stands out to me in many of these occurrences. The reasons seem to be obvious: either they can't or they aren't allowed to. Which speaks to the potential existence of some greater law or practice being observed in these inter-dimensional interactions that I think has a lot to do with the types of interactions that may occur at these terminal points.

I wonder, for those locations that are close to human habitations, if there must have been some sort of agreement between the Reptilian factions and human factions to continue utilizing those points, or whether there is some simultaneous ultra-dimensional usage occurring, where both may have facilities overlapping at the same point in space but different dimensional access nexuses.


Maybe Rahkyt shouldn't be so sure of something he isn't really sure of, making himself open to deception.

Hi Asyloth! Nice to meet you. What I said was:


The evidence for Reptilians is ancient.

Which was not a statement of belief or disbelief. At the time, I was willing to share a few resources. Then, after the next response, I was no longer willing. I am by nature very skeptical of many things myself, actually. I try to research in order to find out what can be possible and what cannot. I determine the validity of my sources and I cross-reference with multiple types of sources in order to find any correlations or similarities. For this particular topic, my research has taken me from cosmology to mythology, from quantum physics to string theory, from dimensional theories to density channelings, from human biology to astral biophysics, on and on and on to and through much, much more. I am not willing to engage in a confrontory debate where I'm forced to back up my assertions with links, quotes, blah blah blah blah blah. I did that for years online back in the 90s and early 00s and in school for another decade. No more. Folks can do their own research. :)

[1derer]

i can sort of see both sides of the battle between Rahkyt and 1derer...

a preponderance of evidence does not always suggest proof. it may suggest a high probability of proof, but one can never be sure. and the evidence -especially in the ever-elusive field of the paranormal and the cosmic - is usually highly subjective.

on the flip side, we have folks who will continue to deny certain seemingly obvious things - things like ufo's - because there is no proof despite what appears to be overwhelming evidence.

i generally find that people will manipulate the proof/truth dynamic to serve their needs: the intellectually lazy will continue to demand proof to avoid doing any real research, and someone who is perhaps a little to eager to prove something will present their evidence a little overzealously, like certain whistle-blowers are wont to do.

i think we've all been both of these archetypes in varying degrees at different points in our lives. i don't think the professor is necessarily overeager, nor do i think iderer is intellectually lazy - i think it may just be a semantical misunderstanding.

i personally believe the 'reptile' theory, though i can't say why specifically. i don't have the "proof". it's just intuition combined w/all the bits of info i've collected over the years. i know that wouldn't satisfy a scientific journal, but it's good enough for me.

Good comments chiniceski, at least someone sees the point being made and has the maturity to tell it like it is...I also do not consider this a battle, I am certainly open to the idea that something might be going on behind the scenes but to claim Icke is right, or anyone else for that matter without a smidgen of evidence is a very isolated position to be in. At least the UFO phenomena has objects in the sky, and I believe that aliens might exist based on the improbability of earth being the only planet to harbour life and based upon the size of the universe, but a reptillian based on video degredation, lighting effects or paitings on a wall of a snake? LMAO!

Anyhoo, what do you think of the video of the girl I placed here that noone had the balls to comment on? do you perceive that as being an example of a repltilian, or is it what I believe a small coincidence that her pupils formed differently?

Also you said you think they exist, do you know what it is that makes you feel that way?


ok, i just watched the video, and my initial thoughts are: that chick is kinda cute! and the accent isn't hurting her either. at all.

well yeah, seriously though, i'm with you here 100%. these youtube vids of the flickering eyes are dubious at best.

what is it that makes me feel reptilian entities exist? my honest and short answer is: i don't know. but the way you phrased your question leads me to believe that you have an idea as to why people believe in such things...yes? no?

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sorry guys, 'battle', was a bad choice of words. how's 'debate'?;)

No harm done with the battle, I just speak what is obvious, shame others need to attack a member just because they disagree, instead of having an intelligent discussion about it !!

Anyhoo, this is my take on it

We are all in a way reptilian! (cue twilight zone theme tune!)

Here's why...

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As for the french girl, I also agree with your initial thoughts! You see, the reppie brain is in full effect there!

[Ron Mauer Sr]

The reptilians I've met in the dream state have been both "dark side" and "light side". The snakes I find in my dreams may represent biped reptilians. I am always very careful to identify and not hurt the non-threatening snakes.

In one very significant dream the snakes radiated so much love, that for a very long time, when I talked of the dream, my tears would flow. Incredible.

[1derer]

Here is President Obama talking about a reptilian side of our brains...

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1derer, Have you ever seen air? By your definition, air must not exist.

Yes, if you throw a colorant into the sky, you will see it move and also I breathe it too.

Have you breathed a reptilian? LMAO

[1derer]

I rejected Reptilians early on myself - until I allowed myself to bypass preconception and make sense of it, which now I have. When it is all said and done, however, it doesn't really matter what form they take. They are certainly there, if not by their own design then by invitation.


So where do they live then if they are here? You seem to have rejected them before and then made a comment that they certainly are here, so did you have a personal encounter with one or did you read about it?

If people are so confident they are here, where do they live?

[Jonathon]

You see the colorant move, not the air. You are seeing evidence of air, not the air itself. I believe this makes the point some of us are trying to convey. I realize, as stated before, that this can be a difficult hurdle to cross.

If you really want to find value in a book, you have to 'get into it' - or buy into the 'truth' of it. Once you accept the reality of it (regardless), you are naturally inclined to consider it for what it is, not what you are. You cannot integrate and learn what you resist. If you aren't interested, that's OK too... but no sense beating around the bush about it. Move on to something that is more to your resonant level and maybe come back some other time. Your readiness for it doesn't have to be a point of friction with others' journey within it.

[Jonathon]

So where do they live then if they are here? You seem to have rejected them before and then made a comment that they certainly are here, so did you have a personal encounter with one or did you read about it?

If people are so confident they are here, where do they live?

In a pop-up tent behind the White House.

[Mike]

when i'm in that unique space right before falling asleep, yet still slightly conscious, i'll sometimes see a succession of faces. they are all very detailed but otherwise meaningless to me, as i never recognize a familiar face. but what occasionally happens is - while this roladex of faces is flickering thru my mind - a face unlike any other i've ever seen, an inhuman face, appears. and it remains in my minds-eye much longer than the others.

i intuitively feel that it is reptilian in nature, but it's white in color. and by white, i mean chalk white - with red eyes. it doesn't look like any of the reptilians you might see on the various alt sites throughout the internet, but more like the creatures Credo Mutwa describes.

and the damn thing just sits there, lingering, staring. it's a bit unnerving, to be honest.

[Calz]

I rejected Reptilians early on myself - until I allowed myself to bypass preconception and make sense of it, which now I have. When it is all said and done, however, it doesn't really matter what form they take. They are certainly there, if not by their own design then by invitation.


So where do they live then if they are here? You seem to have rejected them before and then made a comment that they certainly are here, so did you have a personal encounter with one or did you read about it?

If people are so confident they are here, where do they live?

How much of the light spectrum is visible to the (human) naked eye???

Put on some of the military grade night vision goggles (aka Ed Grimsley) and you see a whole bunch of "stuff" going on that you would not otherwise.

Correct?

[ponda]

1derer said:

If people are so confident they are here, where do they live?


Possibly in a higher dimension or different plane of existence/reality that overlaps our 3d reality.Or maybe they live in space ships or inner Earth.Then again they might just be inter-dimensional holographic projections from an Archontic entity that surrounds our solar system.

[DNA]

I am right there with Icke and Wilde. There is a concept called Archons that I work into this mix, that is they are the same lot. If Stuie is seeing billions then he must be able to perceive the infected along with the infectors. What a mess to clean up.

Thanks for the link.

I do not think they are the same folks.
The archons are reported to be embrionic so to speak. The Essenes were describing fetus looking beings, they basically are describing the greys from what I have read.


I'm pretty sure the truth, if it should ever come out, will blow our f%cking minds.
I'm just saying.
I think this thing is probably as complex and as full of differing players as you can expect.

When I think of the Archons, I think of the folks Willheim Reich talked about. Reich stated that in his Orgone experiments, he would witness UFO's appearing. Further more, Reich stated that these ETs were negative, and that they were here to syphone off the earth's orgone energy.

Ironically enough, I had come to the same conclusian about most abduction scenarios. And seeing Reich's take on this only further influenced my thinking here.
The abduction phenomenon had not even been an issue in Reich's time.
In the reports by folks who have had contact with the greys and regressed themselves to remember what was said, I have heard numerous instances of folks claiming that the greys referred to humans as containers. Containers of what? Well that is the question isn't it. I think humans are probably mined for various things, quite possibly plasma and other bodily fluids, but it seems to me, that humans are also mined for energy, or orgone as Reich calls it.

It seems that when asked as to the particulars of why the greys are doing what they are doing they tend to shake of the question with a strange statement. That they are in the employment of some one else. It seems that they are in a capacity of service to another race. Is it the reptillians? Jim Sparks seemed to think so in his book "The Keepers", and the guys(Stewart Swerdlow,Preston Nichols) from the Montaulk project seemed to think there was a reptillian presence orchestrating those events.

[1derer]

Ain't it strange that when you start talking about this subject you'll always find yourself beaten up by some people? When it goes about UFO's, shamanism, conspiracies and so on and so on, people can more or less see how it makes sense and deserves serious attention but when it comes to reptilians you always find people jumping up to the roof gazing with this "bull****" look.

I read your discussion Rahkyt and 1derer. I join 1derer when he says that maybe you shouldn't be a 100% sure of this stuff until you've seen hardcore evidence or a reptilian yourself. But I join Rahkyt on the fact that you came here with a very beligerent attitude and that you don't seem to me to be open minded about this.
Maybe Rahkyt shouldn't be so sure of something he isn't really sure of, making himself open to deception.
Maybe 1derer shouldn't be so sure of something he isn't really sure of either, you claim Rahkyt shouldn't believe something without hardcore evidence but you yourself believe the complete opposite with even less evidence, making yourself close minded about it.

I personally take the reptilian stuff seriously, I think it makes sense and above it all, Icke has been so right about more or less everything that I tend to wonder why he wouldn't be right on this one, yet I leave it open to all possibilies, meaning that reptilians may exist, or not, I don't know for sure.

Come come Asyloth, a beligerent attitude? I see no reason to fight over something that lacks such credibility yet everyone thinks exists!

I'm sorry if in this thread people cannot handle it if someone disagrees with something, nor can I help it that people are accepting another's words as the biblical truth without a smidgen of any circumstantial evidence whatsoever and then comforting each other as they huddle around a fire looking at shadows in a cave.

To attack someone and accuse them of being challenging, or debunking or whatever uneccesary reptilian reponses of fear were presented is not what one should expect in a thread of so called open minds, nor is a condescending manner required just becuase no evidence is forthcoming.

All I want to do is question the basis of the belief that people think reppies exist, because what I find incredulous, is that the basis of their belief is ancient imagery or videos with cats eyes which to me do not in any way whatsoever account for reppy existence.

I think you have the best attitude to this, which I agree with that reppies may or may not exist, and that we cannot know for sure.

I mean do you know the number of people who believe the Queen of England is a reptile - including Icke? Is it deemed beligerent to question this?

[Mark]

i intuitively feel that it is reptilian in nature, but it's white in color. and by white, i mean chalk white - with red eyes. it doesn't look like any of the reptilians you might see on the various alt sites throughout the internet, but more like the creatures Credo Mutwa describes.

and the damn thing just sits there, lingering, staring. it's a bit unnerving, to be honest.

How about this one right here?

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd30/rahkyt/reptilian.jpg

[Calz]

So where do they live then if they are here? You seem to have rejected them before and then made a comment that they certainly are here, so did you have a personal encounter with one or did you read about it?

If people are so confident they are here, where do they live?

In a pop-up tent behind the White House.

I love it :haha:


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[1derer]

1derer said:

If people are so confident they are here, where do they live?


Possibly in a higher dimension or different plane of existence/reality that overlaps our 3d reality.Or maybe they live in space ships or inner Earth.Then again they might just be inter-dimensional holographic projections from an Archontic entity that surrounds our solar system.

So they are not physical at all? This is why I question when ppl say that reppies are real, as every video on the net shows reppie eyes right?

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So where do they live then if they are here? You seem to have rejected them before and then made a comment that they certainly are here, so did you have a personal encounter with one or did you read about it?

If people are so confident they are here, where do they live?

In a pop-up tent behind the White House.

I love it :haha:


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Hahaha I knew it!, I thought they had a zipper jumpsuit of a human into which they enter!

Just one thing... How do they get the tail in there?

[Mark]

LOL let's get straight to the point:

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd30/rahkyt/bush-reptilian.jpg

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd30/rahkyt/obama-reptilian3.jpg

[modwiz]

I am right there with Icke and Wilde. There is a concept called Archons that I work into this mix, that is they are the same lot. If Stuie is seeing billions then he must be able to perceive the infected along with the infectors. What a mess to clean up.

Thanks for the link.

I do not think they are the same folks.
The archons are reported to be embrionic so to speak. The Essenes were describing fetus looking beings, they basically are describing the greys from what I have read.


I'm pretty sure the truth, if it should ever come out, will blow our f%cking minds.
I'm just saying.
I think this thing is probably as complex and as full of differing players as you can expect.

When I think of the Archons, I think of the folks Willheim Reich talked about. Reich stated that in his Orgone experiments, he would witness UFO's appearing. Further more, Reich stated that these ETs were negative, and that they were here to syphone off the earth's orgone energy.

Ironically enough, I had come to the same conclusian about most abduction scenarios. And seeing Reich's take on this only further influenced my thinking here.
The abduction phenomenon had not even been an issue in Reich's time.
In the reports by folks who have had contact with the greys and regressed themselves to remember what was said, I have heard numerous instances of folks claiming that the greys referred to humans as containers. Containers of what? Well that is the question isn't it. I think humans are probably mined for various things, quite possibly plasma and other bodily fluids, but it seems to me, that humans are also mined for energy, or orgone as Reich calls it.

It seems that when asked as to the particulars of why the greys are doing what they are doing they tend to shake of the question with a strange statement. That they are in the employment of some one else. It seems that they are in a capacity of service to another race. Is it the reptillians? Jim Sparks seemed to think so in his book "The Keepers", and the guys(Stewart Swerdlow,Preston Nichols) from the Montaulk project seemed to think there was a reptillian presence orchestrating those events.

I can imagine the greys being described as fetus looking with their oversized heads and small bodies. Just a thought, one of many in the mix I throw the Archons into. My word 'MIX' is very operative and as strong as it is subtle. This mix held, as I have stated, as something written to a hard drive for editing or deletion. I seldom put all of my weight on one foot in a stance.

Do I look like a freakin' egret to you? :dizzy::twitch::fish::boink::tongue1:

[Mike]

i respect where you're coming from here 1derer, and speaking just for myself, i really appreciate your presence in this thread. it provides balance.

i should state that i do not dogmatically believe reptilians exist. that would be a little foolish. it's more of a hunch and the influence of some resonating material picked up here and there.

but i've experienced enough crazy sh!t to always keep an open mind, even if it's open just a crack.

[1derer]

I rejected Reptilians early on myself - until I allowed myself to bypass preconception and make sense of it, which now I have. When it is all said and done, however, it doesn't really matter what form they take. They are certainly there, if not by their own design then by invitation.


So where do they live then if they are here? You seem to have rejected them before and then made a comment that they certainly are here, so did you have a personal encounter with one or did you read about it?

If people are so confident they are here, where do they live?

How much of the light spectrum is visible to the (human) naked eye???

Put on some of the military grade night vision goggles (aka Ed Grimsley) and you see a whole bunch of "stuff" going on that you would not otherwise.

Correct?

Not sure if that is correct, or else anyone with military grade night vision goggles have never ever reported seeing a reppy.

[161803398]

Going into a trance state isn't all that weird. Anyone can do it. Just stay awake instead of going to sleep and you will be in that mid point. People are in and out of altered states all day. I really can't disbelieve or believe what anyone says they have seen (although I do tend to be skeptical of reptilians) because I've seen and experienced many many strange things in my life. However, the most unbelievable thing I have ever seen is the transformation of the United States since 2001. In fact, its so unbelievable...well, I think I might actually start believing David Icke.

[1derer]

LOL let's get straight to the point:

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd30/rahkyt/bush-reptilian.jpg

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd30/rahkyt/obama-reptilian3.jpg

Hahah funny stuff right there! I liked your other image of a reppy and his reppy babe, I suppose they would have to be standing upright if they existed, like the vecilorapters right? Do you think they have a tail or do they go the way of dogs with a stub?

[Calz]

I rejected Reptilians early on myself - until I allowed myself to bypass preconception and make sense of it, which now I have. When it is all said and done, however, it doesn't really matter what form they take. They are certainly there, if not by their own design then by invitation.


So where do they live then if they are here? You seem to have rejected them before and then made a comment that they certainly are here, so did you have a personal encounter with one or did you read about it?

If people are so confident they are here, where do they live?

How much of the light spectrum is visible to the (human) naked eye???

Put on some of the military grade night vision goggles (aka Ed Grimsley) and you see a whole bunch of "stuff" going on that you would not otherwise.

Correct?

Not sure if that is correct, or else anyone with military grade night vision goggles have never ever reported seeing a reppy.

I didn't suggest you could see "reptiles" with them ... I was using that as an example of viewing beyond the 2 or 3%.

Are you denying night vision goggles (or infrared telescopes) show more than that which is available to the naked human eye???

[ponda]

1derer said:

So they are not physical at all? This is why I question when ppl say that reppies are real, as every video on the net shows reppie eyes right?


Well it might depend on what 'physical' is.They might not be physical in 3d but are physical in their own reality.

I find the eye changes on some of the utube vids very interesting.Either people are going to a lot of trouble to fake them or there might be more to it.Anything is possible

[1derer]

i respect where you're coming from here 1derer, and speaking just for myself, i really appreciate your presence in this thread. it provides balance.

i should state that i do not dogmatically believe reptilians exist. that would be a little foolish. it's more of a hunch and the influence of some resonating material picked up here and there.

but i've experienced enough crazy sh!t to always keep an open mind, even if it's open just a crack.


If I were to surmise that they did live, then I would not be thinking they are in another dimesion, I would perceive them to be just like us, in the physical, though perhaps with psychic skills beyond our capabilities...

That would leave one thing...where would they live? And I beleive this would be underground, deep in cave systems like a race known as the deros.

[Jonathon]

Ain't it strange that when you start talking about this subject you'll always find yourself beaten up by some people? When it goes about UFO's, shamanism, conspiracies and so on and so on, people can more or less see how it makes sense and deserves serious attention but when it comes to reptilians you always find people jumping up to the roof gazing with this "bull****" look.

I read your discussion Rahkyt and 1derer. I join 1derer when he says that maybe you shouldn't be a 100% sure of this stuff until you've seen hardcore evidence or a reptilian yourself. But I join Rahkyt on the fact that you came here with a very beligerent attitude and that you don't seem to me to be open minded about this.
Maybe Rahkyt shouldn't be so sure of something he isn't really sure of, making himself open to deception.
Maybe 1derer shouldn't be so sure of something he isn't really sure of either, you claim Rahkyt shouldn't believe something without hardcore evidence but you yourself believe the complete opposite with even less evidence, making yourself close minded about it.

I personally take the reptilian stuff seriously, I think it makes sense and above it all, Icke has been so right about more or less everything that I tend to wonder why he wouldn't be right on this one, yet I leave it open to all possibilies, meaning that reptilians may exist, or not, I don't know for sure.

Come come Asyloth, a beligerent attitude? I see no reason to fight over something that lacks such credibility yet everyone thinks exists!

I'm sorry if in this thread people cannot handle it if someone disagrees with something, nor can I help it that people are accepting another's words as the biblical truth without a smidgen of any circumstantial evidence whatsoever and then comforting each other as they huddle around a fire looking at shadows in a cave.

To attack someone and accuse them of being challenging, or debunking or whatever uneccesary reptilian reponses of fear were presented is not what one should expect in a thread of so called open minds, nor is a condescending manner required just becuase no evidence is forthcoming.

All I want to do is question the basis of the belief that people think reppies exist, because what I find incredulous, is that the basis of their belief is ancient imagery or videos with cats eyes which to me do not in any way whatsoever account for reppy existence.

Please correct me if I'm wrong (I don't mean any offense) - my impression here is that you are more interested in proving to yourself that you are right (in spite of your admitted ignorance on the subject) than to create a discussion about the ins and outs of what everyone else has experienced or researched. You seem to be looking for lobs that you can smack down - a defensive gesture. If you really want to discuss it then do some homework and then lets all talk about it. I can't teach you how to fish over the phone. You kinda have to get a pole and drop a line in the water. Once again, I think I can (and want to) appreciate where you're coming from, but I'm not sure the intention is mutual. That's not a good place to start if we plan on being serious about it.

[Carmody]

I have heard numerous instances of folks claiming that the greys referred to humans as containers.

Micheal Newton's regression hypnosis books on the subject of 'lives between lives' might have something to say about that.

Basically that the duality humans ARE containers. end. stop.

That this is a school.

and there may be some feeding going on at this school. a bit of theft, one might say. Since the being or bit lost is not a whole soul, it is a shard from a soul, well, this may constitute a feeding of a sort. Consequences... I'm not sure of.

They eat the equivalent of a leg, and it grows back. eventually.

however, according to Dolores cannon and her issuances in regression work, our 'enemy' may be aligned to take the world down a dark path of not graduating ...or taking as many as possible.

the technology given in the bases may be to help the beings whom we call our leaders..be in a position where they do not have to return to the source...and thus.... get a new body and remain as the damaged shard, which has gone bad..and does not want to 'die'. The tales of soul capture and soul transference. Humanity as a lesson learning system, gone bad..with an aid or help from nefarious quarters.

Remember, my trick (of recall) is to step inside the when they die in difficult situations...and get them to the right vibration so they go back to the source. Overlay.

They cannot be forced to go back....but if it is like that....it is corruption.

[1derer]

You see the colorant move, not the air. You are seeing evidence of air, not the air itself. I believe this makes the point some of us are trying to convey. I realize, as stated before, that this can be a difficult hurdle to cross.

If you really want to find value in a book, you have to 'get into it' - or buy into the 'truth' of it. Once you accept the reality of it (regardless), you are naturally inclined to consider it for what it is, not what you are. You cannot integrate and learn what you resist. If you aren't interested, that's OK too... but no sense beating around the bush about it. Move on to something that is more to your resonant level and maybe come back some other time. Your readiness for it doesn't have to be a point of friction with others' journey within it.


If we were to blindly follow without quesitioning, then we would end up buying mortgages that are ponzi schemes, and lose our very homes.....DOH

Well, my point is why fear being questioned, if you are so committed to the very suspension of belief you give, and why not admit to the fact that this is not actually as factual as you are being led up the garden path to believe?

Just as much as reppies living, why cant werewolves or faires or vampires live? And if you beleieve they do, then why cant I ask you your opinion on the matter without being belittled?

[Jonathon]

1derer said:

So they are not physical at all? This is why I question when ppl say that reppies are real, as every video on the net shows reppie eyes right?


Well it might depend on what 'physical' is.They might not be physical in 3d but are physical in their own reality.

I find the eye changes on some of the utube vids very interesting.Either people are going to a lot of trouble to fake them or there might be more to it.Anything is possible

There's certainly no shortage of faking going around. From my imagined perspective of the faker, it's darned funny that someone might actually take it seriously.

[gripreaper]

I rejected Reptilians early on myself - until I allowed myself to bypass preconception and make sense of it, which now I have. When it is all said and done, however, it doesn't really matter what form they take. They are certainly there, if not by their own design then by invitation.


So where do they live then if they are here? You seem to have rejected them before and then made a comment that they certainly are here, so did you have a personal encounter with one or did you read about it?

If people are so confident they are here, where do they live?

In the remote Rwandan mountains in Africa, according to credo Mutwa.

[1derer]

I have heard numerous instances of folks claiming that the greys referred to humans as containers.

Micheal Newton's regression hypnosis books on the subject of 'lives between lives' might have something to say about that.

Basically that the duality humans ARE containers. end. stop.

Indeed, John Lear makes much mention of the greys as being caretakers of the souls, and that the moon is linked into all of this, but one thing he has never done, is state who the greys are caretakers for.... However, with so many sightings of alien ufos, abductions and even bodies lying strewn across the moonscape, it is an interesting concept.

[161803398]

I'm not an Obama fan but he is not talking about that kind of "reptilian". He is talking about another concept. You would understand that if you were familiar with Robert Bly, the American poet. The idea is that the brain consists of three parts: the part just above the neck being the reptilian part (not side) which is fight or flee; the middle brain being the emotional part; and then the top part which they say we only use one tenth of. Energy can be channeled up and down through these parts by music; poetry; art; architecture etc. Listening to Frank Sinatra, for example, would stimulate the emotional brain; listening to heavy metal would stimulate the reptilian part; listen to Bach would stimulate the upper portion of the brain. That is what he is talking about. It has nothing to do with what David Icke is talking about.

If you can understand the above; you will know a great deal about how to communicate with people. For instance, have you noticed if you say something honest but potentially hurtful to someone they will get angry at you; but if you say something honest but potentially hurtful to someone with humour, they won't get angry. That is because you have stimulated the upper part of the brain with humour so they can't react with the lizard part of the brain.

However, you have to be careful with this or at least honest with it. Sometimes people use this type of humour in a kind way to let people know truths gently. I think also the old court jesters used to get away with a lot with this method. However, you might have experienced some real assholes who do this in a mean way and have the experience of laughing at something you later find highly insulting...when that happens people can start to really hate the person who did it.

[1derer]

I rejected Reptilians early on myself - until I allowed myself to bypass preconception and make sense of it, which now I have. When it is all said and done, however, it doesn't really matter what form they take. They are certainly there, if not by their own design then by invitation.


So where do they live then if they are here? You seem to have rejected them before and then made a comment that they certainly are here, so did you have a personal encounter with one or did you read about it?

If people are so confident they are here, where do they live?

In the remote Rwandan mountains in Africa, according to credo Mutwa.

I would suggest all mountainous regions, cave systems and other underground hideouts!

[ponda]

Jonathon said:

There's certainly no shortage of faking going around. From my imagined perspective of the faker, it's darned funny that someone might actually take it seriously.

They might take it seriously because it fits in with many different peoples experiences of seeing other peoples eyes change appearance right in front of them.

[Carmody]

I rejected Reptilians early on myself - until I allowed myself to bypass preconception and make sense of it, which now I have. When it is all said and done, however, it doesn't really matter what form they take. They are certainly there, if not by their own design then by invitation.


So where do they live then if they are here? You seem to have rejected them before and then made a comment that they certainly are here, so did you have a personal encounter with one or did you read about it?

If people are so confident they are here, where do they live?

In the remote Rwandan mountains in Africa, according to credo Mutwa.

I would suggest all mountainous regions, cave systems and other underground hideouts!

Please investigate, don't be insulting.

I'm out.

[1derer]

I rejected Reptilians early on myself - until I allowed myself to bypass preconception and make sense of it, which now I have. When it is all said and done, however, it doesn't really matter what form they take. They are certainly there, if not by their own design then by invitation.


So where do they live then if they are here? You seem to have rejected them before and then made a comment that they certainly are here, so did you have a personal encounter with one or did you read about it?

If people are so confident they are here, where do they live?

How much of the light spectrum is visible to the (human) naked eye???

Put on some of the military grade night vision goggles (aka Ed Grimsley) and you see a whole bunch of "stuff" going on that you would not otherwise.

Correct?

Not sure if that is correct, or else anyone with military grade night vision goggles have never ever reported seeing a reppy.

I didn't suggest you could see "reptiles" with them ... I was using that as an example of viewing beyond the 2 or 3%.

Are you denying night vision goggles (or infrared telescopes) show more than that which is available to the naked human eye???

That question is moot.

[Calz]

That question is moot.

Oh ... thank you for clearing up that one :)

[1derer]

I'm not an Obama fan but he is not talking about that kind of "reptilian". He is talking about another concept. You would understand that if you were familiar with Robert Bly, the American poet. The idea is that the brain consists of three parts: the part just above the neck being the reptilian part (not side) which is fight or flee; the middle brain being the emotional part; and then the top part which they say we only use one tenth of. Energy can be channeled up and down through these parts by music; poetry; art; architecture etc. Listening to Frank Sinatra, for example, would stimulate the emotional brain; listening to heavy metal would stimulate the reptilian part; listen to Bach would stimulate the upper portion of the brain. That is what he is talking about. It has nothing to do with what David Icke is talking about.

If you can understand the above; you will know a great deal about how to communicate with people. For instance, have you noticed if you say something honest but potentially hurtful to someone they will get angry at you; but if you say something honest but potentially hurtful to someone with humour, they won't get angry. That is because you have stimulated the upper part of the brain with humour so they can't react with the lizard part of the brain.

I suggest you go back and view my video on page 2, yoi may have missed it........

I find that if you lie outright, it usually avoids all types of conflict

eg: "Oh your hair looks lovely today!" (it doesn't and I am dying to let you know...must stop base comments form emerging....must re...si...st!) Repsonse: Oh thanks (person gets a major boost, is happy and zero conflict) ;)

[Carmody]

I have heard numerous instances of folks claiming that the greys referred to humans as containers.

Micheal Newton's regression hypnosis books on the subject of 'lives between lives' might have something to say about that.

Basically that the duality humans ARE containers. end. stop.

That this is a school.

and there may be some feeding going on at this school. a bit of theft, one might say. Since the being or bit lost is not a whole soul, it is a shard from a soul, well, this may constitute a feeding of a sort. Consequences... I'm not sure of.

They eat the equivalent of a leg, and it grows back. eventually.

however, according to Dolores cannon and her issuances in regression work, our 'enemy' may be aligned to take the world down a dark path of not graduating ...or taking as many as possible.

the technology given in the bases may be to help the beings whom we call our leaders..be in a position where they do not have to return to the source...and thus.... get a new body and remain as the damaged shard, which has gone bad..and does not want to 'die'. The tales of soul capture and soul transference. Humanity as a lesson learning system, gone bad..with an aid or help from nefarious quarters.

Remember, my trick (of recall) is to step inside them when they die in difficult situations...and get them to the right vibration so they go back to the source. Overlay.

They cannot be forced to go back....but if it is like that....it is corruption.

I expanded my post, so I'm going to post it again, in case some miss it.



Thus Dolores cannon's mentioned plan of adding huge numbers of incarnates...and moving the entire planet, as a way of staying within the boundaries of the bargain.

For you see...in Newton's books..he says that returning souls that have been evil..need to purge that out. And that is well, turned into something akin to interdimensional dust.

Neutralized.

The brutally evil, in ego, fear death greatly...and might become willingly connected to such nefarious and world defeating purposes.

Little doubt of that - if the conundrum became plain to them.

[Mark]

If you can understand the above; you will know a great deal about how to communicate with people. For instance, have you noticed if you say something honest but potentially hurtful to someone they will get angry at you; but if you say something honest but potentially hurtful to someone with humour, they won't get angry. That is because you have stimulated the upper part of the brain with humour so they can't react with the lizard part of the brain.

Ahhhhhhhhh ... so that is the explanation for why comedians can say so many true things and make people laugh and not get in trouble for it. Thank you. :)

As an aside, there are many who do hold that the reptilian brain is actually a relic of genetic manipulation by Reptilians, implanted into the human genome in order to limit us. I do not know the truth of it of course, but it is another thing that is said.

[DNA]

This is exactly what I'm trying to figure out myself. If the Reptilians (whatever planet they're from, if they're Annunaki or not, if they're descendants of dinosauras or not)

I've read a lot of crazy sh!t in my time. And, it might sound weird, but I kind of pride myself in being able to see through the bull and recognizing truth, regardless of how outlandish the source.
One such source was the Lacerta Interview. It demands one to be capable of suspending one's disbelief to get anything out of it, and it kind of pushes one's thresh hold in that sense.

It only makes sense that reptillians are descendents of dinosaurs. If DNA is affected and orchestrated by tortion fields as David Wilcock suggests, then not only humans would be popping up all over the universe, but reptillians as well. So they having dinosaurs for ancestors does not mean they are necassarily of earth.

In the Lacerta interview it is stated that there are home grown earth reptillians, who try and mostly keep to them selves, and there are other races of reptillians throughout the universe doing their own thing just as there are humans out there doing their own thing.

Lacerta states that her race lives underground, and that they have evolved from a dinosaur creature some 65 million years ago.
She states that a very short while ago, about 200,000 years ago, the Annunaki (she didn't call them that) came down and manipulated our primitive ancestors.
She stated that this has gone on for quite some time, and that as the Annunaki would come and tinker with the race, they would comit genocide with the remaining members they did not want muddying up their experiment. It was said that this took place seven times before.
She didn't seem to think they were trying to perfect us so much as make us more controllable. She stated that telepathy for instance is practiced by most races, but we earth humans seem to have had the capacity for it genetically removed.
Further, earth humans seem to have had a switch installed in it's place, and the flipping of it is possible by some one with telepathy.
This makes it easy for them to appear to us as humans if they want to.
This ability would not extend to photo or video.

She said subsequent races have come and tinkered with our genetics and this agrees very much with what Charles Forte has said on this subject.

One of the reasons the Lacerta Interview sold me, was the little tid bits of information that corresponded with other tid bits of information I have come across.
For instance she mentioned that her people fly in cigar shaped craft, cylindrical craft.
It is widely believed by folks that the superstition mountains where I live very close to, have a reptillian base underneath.
I personally know 2 people, not from the internet, but from my personal life who have seen cigar shaped craft on that mountain.

Her descriptions of how they appear to shape shift being a form of telepathy not actual shape shifting, agrees very much with the work of Ingo Swann.
Her description of their sentry point station rooms above ground agree very much with a young woman's testimonial who had the misfortune of stumbling upon one while hiking in the superstition mountains one afternoon. (http://www.reptilianagenda.com/exp/e111600b.shtml)

Also, her statement about UFOs being difficult to photograph due to the field that surrounds all true UFOs is echoed by the contacts Billy Meier has who was told by these contacts the same thing, and that the only reason he can photograph them is because they let him photograph them by turning the field off and making photography of a UFO possible.







are all corporeal or astral or both.

I think it is important to never underestimate the power of technology when discussing these folks. Whitley Strieber talks about these folks being able to walk through walls, as does Jim Sparks. So I'm pretty sure they have some kind of phase technology.
It may sound impossible or ludicrous, but anything is possible if you give some science guys enough time, technology and money.

[Mike]

or are the dinosaurs genetic creations/descendants of reptilians?

[Jonathon]

You see the colorant move, not the air. You are seeing evidence of air, not the air itself. I believe this makes the point some of us are trying to convey. I realize, as stated before, that this can be a difficult hurdle to cross.

If you really want to find value in a book, you have to 'get into it' - or buy into the 'truth' of it. Once you accept the reality of it (regardless), you are naturally inclined to consider it for what it is, not what you are. You cannot integrate and learn what you resist. If you aren't interested, that's OK too... but no sense beating around the bush about it. Move on to something that is more to your resonant level and maybe come back some other time. Your readiness for it doesn't have to be a point of friction with others' journey within it.


If we were to blindly follow without quesitioning, then we would end up buying mortgages that are ponzi schemes, and lose our very homes.....DOH

Well, my point is why fear being questioned, if you are so committed to the very suspension of belief you give, and why not admit to the fact that this is not actually as factual as you are being led up the garden path to believe?

Just as much as reppies living, why cant werewolves or faires or vampires live? And if you beleieve they do, then why cant I ask you your opinion on the matter without being belittled?

Why the particular choice of words? Why does someone need fear your questioning and what leads you to believe this is the case? From what I have seen, you aren't really asking anything so I'm not sure what there is to fear. This experience is conjuring up memories of playground "prove-it" challenges. My impression is that you feel you are backed into a corner somehow - if this is the case, please don't feel that way on my account. I with you for the win regardless.

Facts have nothing to do with truth - as fact is mere agreement - a representation of 'truth'. Your existence is no more or less factual. You are looking for physical proof from outside your self - it doesn't exist. That comes from within, which means you are going to have to do the work. Plenty of material on vamps and fairies too, if you are so bold :panda:

And yes, pardon my 'pop-up tent' comment - it seemed to be the level of answer you were seeking at the time.

[ponda]

DNA said:

In the Lacerta interview it is stated that there are home grown earth reptillians, who try and mostly keep to them selves, and there are other races of reptillians throughout the universe doing their own thing just as there are humans out there doing their own thing.



Very interesting DNA.

Here's a link to some of that interview transcript for anyone who is interested:

http://www.luisprada.com/Protected/the_lacerta_files.htm

[DNA]

the technology given in the bases may be to help the beings whom we call our leaders..be in a position where they do not have to return to the source...

Wow, it's weird you would go here. I've been of the same opinion for a long time.
It is obvious to me that there is a fourth dimension. This fourth dimension is populated by the souls of those who wish to circumvent the natural order of things, they do not wish to participate in reincarnation. These souls ussually power their activities in the fourth dimension by "cording" a 3d life form.

In the fourth D, there is no connection to source, as such, you are not fed, you must feed your thinking mind with energy and to do so become a parasite.
The fourth D is very malleable, and very much responsive to the "Power of Intention". So it could be like a paradise if you had enough energy to sustain the environment you wished to create.

You make mention of moving souls from one body to another and I do not doubt that possibility. In so far as the realm of technology is concerned. But I propose that no body would be needed in many instances. If the greys were working for "fill in the blank" and wished to offer a power source of spiritual energy to these folks, they could circumvent the natural order of things for a very long time, and live in the fourth D.

Also,,,I'm a big fan of Michael Newton as well. :)

[Mark]

Thanks, DNA. I"ve never heard of the Lacerta interview but you can rest assured I will be checking it out.


It only makes sense that reptillians are descendents of dinosaurs. If DNA is affected and orchestrated by tortion fields as David Wilcock suggests, then not only humans would be popping up all over the universe, but reptillians as well. So they having dinosaurs for ancestors does not mean they are necassarily of earth.

I've actually written 2 articles on the subject also. I meant to write more but other things have gotten in the way. The first was a background article (http://rahkyt.wordpress.com/2011/08/06/the-chrono-dyno-revelation-background/), discussing the multi-dimensional context, the second was a direct discussion of their potential evolution from earth dinosaur stock (http://rahkyt.wordpress.com/2011/08/07/595/):


This image represents the culmination of a thought exercise conceptualized by paleontologist Dr. Dale Russell, and is known as Troodon Sapiens, a dinasauroid. Dr. Russell is the curator of vertebrate fossils at the National Museum of Canada in Ottawa. He came up with this concept of dinosauroid evolution into a hominid species based upon the condition of continuing evolution past the point at which the Chicxulub meteor exterminated the dinosaur population, 65 million years ago. The Theropods (bipedal predators) that existed at that time might have conceivably evolved into intelligent species, according to his theory. The Theropod family includes Tyrannosaurus Rex, Velociraptors and Troodontids, any of which could have and might have evolved if conditions had not turned hostile for that population of entities upon this planet.

But what if such an evolution did in fact take place? What if it wasn’t the Troodontids, but instead, the Velociraptors who evolved? Or the Tyrannosauroids? According to many sources consistent across cultures and time-lines, an intelligent dinosauroid species did indeed exist upon Earth concurrent with the larger and more well-known species of dinosaurs. Many ancient civilizations and prehistoric cultures possess extensive and detailed mythologies pertaining to dinosauroid or reptilian races that survived the destruction brought about by the Chicxulub meteor who then interacted with early humanity. In some cases these serpentine peoples were the Bringers of Civilization, in others, they were the tempters of humans, leading them from the path of righteousness into that of evil. But even in the context of these negative interpretations of that interaction, the reptilian race was still associated with knowledge and the dissemination of what was considered by some traditions to be forbidden information.


She didn't seem to think they were trying to perfect us so much as make us more controllable. She stated that telepathy for instance is practiced by most races, but we earth humans seem to have had the capacity for it genetically removed.
Further, earth humans seem to have had a switch installed in it's place, and the flipping of it is possible by some one with telepathy.
This makes it easy for them to appear to us as humans if they want to.
This ability would not extend to photo or video.

A lot of what you write about here actually makes other things fall into place. The above has been alluded to in things I've read, also the common belief that shape-shifting reptilians are using a hologram of some sort. As most of the fake videos online are obviously using cameras and videos, her view of it automatically discounts these as being real, right?


She said subsequent races have come and tinkered with our genetics and this agrees very much with what Charles Forte has said on this subject.

Another check.


I think it is important to never underestimate the power of technology when discussing these folks. Whitley Strieber talks about these folks being able to walk through walls, as does Jim Sparks. So I'm pretty sure they have some kind of phase technology.
It may sound impossible or ludicrous, but anything is possible if you give some science guys enough time, technology and money.

If any race has access to higher dimensional realities at a technological level and are able to install control mechanisms there then everything else falls into place. And why would it not be possible for civilizations that are millions or billions of years older than human civlization to develop these capabilities? And why would it be so difficult for us to believe that they could have? The time frame alone makes evolution inevitable. Look at how short a time it has taken us - albeit with help and perhaps we are returning to a level of technology previously held by humans on this planet - to advance in technology from horses to rocket ships and, potentially, other, higher forms of energetic output and travel.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I'm bringing this up because I read the first page of this thread.

Science is a wonderful tool for exploring our reality, but should not be mistaken for reality itself. Science can help us find the boundaries of our reality, but it does not create the reality. And there are other methods that pick up where science leaves off and goes where science cannot go.

If you look only for scientific evidence and discard all others then I ask you if you love your parents or your children? can you scientifically prove that you love them? Does your inability to apply scientific method to your love for your family change anything? No. Science is a great tool. It is not the only one and it does have limits.

As for Mister Icke-

The way David explained the reptilian thing to me made perfect sense to me as a student of Shamanism. That doesn't mean that I think David is right on every count (I don't think the moon is a mind control transmitter) or that he has the whole picture on the reptilian thing either. There are almost countless entities influencing us and most people aren't even vaguely aware of them or how much influence they have. My opinion is that David is fixated on this one kind of entity and it's influence. I think there are more important ones. And there are many "reptilian" types of energies that are benevolent teachers.

To a shamanic practitioner, it's not a shocking idea at all that reptilian entities have energetic influence over people. Even if they sometimes manifest physically. I think it's a shock to the general population because they live in a paradigm that does not have room for such things.

[Mark]

And there are many "reptilian" types of energies that are benevolent teachers.

To a shamanic practitioner, it's not a shocking idea at all that reptilian entities have energetic influence over people. Even if they sometimes manifest physically. I think it's a shock to the general population because they live in a paradigm that does not have room for such things.

Indeed that is so. For those of us of a certain age, we had access to a show that gave us imagery to support later explorations of this nature. Benevolent and Malevolent Reptilians. Some of y'all know what I'm talkin' bout:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tYyeqkz8OA
Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tYyeqkz8OA

This show is in no way related to the farce masked as movie that came out recently proclaiming itself related.

[161803398]

On the earth once being upright:

http://garyosborn.moonfruit.com/#/the-baptist-revelati/4518535647

[modwiz]

or are the dinosaurs genetic creations/descendants of reptilians?

Knowing you, that is both humor and a legitimate question. Good one. too.

[Mark]

On the earth once being upright:

http://garyosborn.moonfruit.com/#/the-baptist-revelati/4518535647

Thank you for this resource. I had no idea there was any reference to it in the paintings of the Renaissance Masters. I look forward to reading more.

[modwiz]

And there are many "reptilian" types of energies that are benevolent teachers.

To a shamanic practitioner, it's not a shocking idea at all that reptilian entities have energetic influence over people. Even if they sometimes manifest physically. I think it's a shock to the general population because they live in a paradigm that does not have room for such things.

Indeed that is so. For those of us of a certain age, we had access to a show that gave us imagery to support later explorations of this nature. Benevolent and Malevolent Reptilians. Some of y'all know what I'm talkin' bout:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tYyeqkz8OA
Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tYyeqkz8OA

This show is in no way related to the farce masked as movie that came out recently proclaiming itself related.

If those are the bad guys, they spelled sleazy wrong. :p They look like good guys though.

[161803398]

He also has a good article about the mid point or trance state:

http://garyosborn.moonfruit.com/#/grey-area/4516728216

[DNA]

I've actually written 2 articles on the subject also. I meant to write more but other things have gotten in the way. The first was a background article (http://rahkyt.wordpress.com/2011/08/06/the-chrono-dyno-revelation-background/), discussing the multi-dimensional context, the second was a direct discussion of their potential evolution from earth dinosaur stock (http://rahkyt.wordpress.com/2011/08/07/595/):


Awesome stuff Rahkyt! I'm reading through it now. Well put together, and I like the pics. :)

[Calz]

Camelot site is functional again ... here is what I alluded to earlier ... face to face meetings (non trance) as described by Bob Dean in one of the Camelot interviews.

Other Camelot whistleblowers share similar stories ... such as:

http://projectcamelot.org/jim_sparks.html

http://projectcamelot.org/clifford_stone.html


_____________________


BD: All right. Well, you really have to understand Zecharia Sitchin’s work to really grasp where we stand today in relationship with this group of intelligences. And, I’m not speaking of one. There are several. The last I heard, there were four different groups we were relating with. The Anunnaki are one. And there are others.

KC: OK. I mean, this is very interesting. Can you describe the Anunnaki that you... First of all, have you had exposure to them face-to-face?

BD: Me?

KC: Yes.

BD: Yes, I have met some face-to-face. Now, whether they were the Anunnaki, I don’t know.

KC: OK, well...

BD: The ones I’ve met face-to-face were typically human.

KC: Typically human.

BD: I mean, they put on a suit and tie, a dress, blue jeans, T-shirt...

KC: OK.

BD: ...walk in our midst, and you would never know.

KC: And they weren’t nine feet tall, or higher?

BD: No. The ones I’ve met and the ones I’ve seen aboard the ships are not that big at all. They’re just like us.

KC: Uh huh.

BD: So, we’re dealing with four different groups that I’ve concluded -- my own personal view.

KC: OK.

BD: You might talk to Jim Sparks and he might tell you there are eight, or ten, or a dozen more. I don’t know. I can only tell you what little bit I’ve learned over the years.

There are four different groups that I’ve encountered, and they are all humanoid. One group is completely human. And not all of the Anunnaki are nine feet tall. They were human enough that we are related to them, and they’re related to us.

And that lovely little story in Chapter Six of Genesis is quite true. They did, indeed, engineer the genes and chromosomes of an existing species on this planet... God knows how long ago. Sitchin says it was 200,000 years.

The information I have learned indicates one of the major tweakings took place about 60,000 years ago, that Homo sapiens sapiens were tweaked and genetically manipulated even more. So, we’re coming along slowly.

KC: OK, so what four races? Let’s name ’em, in your opinion.

BD: Well, there are the humans.

KC: OK.

BD: Some people call them the Nordics. Then you have guys that are very pale, and very tall, and very broad...

KC: Uh huh.

BD: ... which some people refer to as the big whites.

KC: OK.

BD: And then you have the little guys.

KC: The Grays? And then the Anunnaki. So those are the four you’re familiar with.

BD: And not all of the Grays are an evolved species. Some of them appear to be... What is the term they used to use? They were an artificial life form.

KC: Androids?

BD: Yes, they were humanoid androids, but they were constructed. They’re laboratory products. And they often wondered why, in cases of crashes where there were survivors, that some of them didn’t come back and try to retrieve.

And the story that came out among the military for many years was that they wrote ’em off! They went back and made more.

Now, there are some people who say, Well, they don’t have a soul. Well, I’ve run into human beings that I begin to wonder whether they had a soul. [Kerry laughs]
But...

KC: OK. So...

BD: There are two types of Grays, from what I’ve learned. There are the little guys who appear to be laboratory products. And then there are the six-foot Grays whose eyes are more round. And they’re not really gray. They’re just sort of a chalky, off-white color.

KC: Mm hm.

http://projectcamelot.org/lang/en/bob_dean_nibiru_interview_transcript_en.html

... and so on ...

[Mark]

Awesome stuff Rahkyt! I'm reading through it now. Well put together, and I like the pics. :)

Thanks, bredren. The next article is the one with the meat in it, where I plan to discuss the modern context, the control system, time travel and genetic manipulation and how the higher dimensions (lower 4th and potentially higher, perhaps even lower 5th) are accessed by these entities or others of a similar capacity who may not have evolved from earth stock. I suppose I'll write it sooner rather than later, I've pretty much finished the research, but this article that you've directed me to will certainly add to it. Again, much appreciated.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

discussing the multi-dimensional context, the second was a direct discussion of their potential evolution from earth dinosaur stock (http://rahkyt.wordpress.com/2011/08/07/595/)

Let's assume for a moment that this is indeed true. Let's also assume that Sitchin was right about the human race being tampered with, nudged, and prodded by some kind of Annunaki or Prometheus or whatever. Then it becomes easy to speculate that the reptiles have also been tampered with and nudged. The question then becomes, by whom and for what purpose? How do these agendas intersect, compliment , or conflict? Fun to think about.

[Mike]

or are the dinosaurs genetic creations/descendants of reptilians?

Knowing you, that is both humor and a legitimate question. Good one. too.

Modwiz, i'm afraid i'm woefully out of my league here.

as i am only a casual follower of such theories, i'll say this: if that comment is as painfully ignorant as i'm beginning to feel it is, let's just all pretend i was being ironic.;)

if it has any relevance at all, i'll own it.

deal?

[noprophet]

On earth possibly being upright at some point;

Would we survive without the moon. (http://britanniaradio.blogspot.com/2011/11/would-earth-survive-without-moon.html)

"...the pre-Hellenic Pelasgian inhabitants of Arcadia called themselves Proselenes, because they boasted that they came into the country before the Moon accompanied the Earth. Pre-Hellenic and pre-lunarian were synonymous." -- Alexander Von Humboldt, naturalist, 1851

"These were Arcadians of Evander's following, the so‑called Pre-Lunar people." -- Plutarch, historian, Moralia: The Roman Questions #76, 1st century

"The stars did not yet revolve in the heavens; the Danaides had not yet appeared, nor the race of Deucalion; the Arcadians alone existed, those of whom it is said that they lived before the Moon, eating acorns upon the mountains." -- Apollonios Rhodios, librarian, Argonautica, ~246 B.C.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=21429&sid=3b791b7629e78bb09bfdb10e5ae43d95

It all seems to point to around the time of the end of ancient Greece and beginning of Rome. I've been very curious about where exactly Rome came form so I asked my History professor, whose focus is medieval and ancient history, who actually founded and built what became the Roman empire. He bluntly told me that no one is really sure. There were Etruscans in the area but we know they weren't part of it. We assume it must have been someone coming from Northern Europe.

Guido von List who formed many of the ideas which led to Nazi thought, though tending to me much less radical, believed that Rome had usurped a former central European empire ruled by Priest-Kings (very Egyptian) and that the presence of the Roman Catholic church in the resulting states was actually an occupation.

Interestingly the Nation of Islam tells stories of running the white man out of Africa to the Northern "cold" climates upon deciding that he could not be emotionally trusted a very long time ago. This is a story told in the 5% movement (Nation of Gods and Earths) proclaiming the black man the original man and the white man the usurper. the idea of the 5% being that only 10% of the world is in the know. 5% use the knowing to their advantage to rule while the other 5% become the poor righteous teachers.

All however speak of this usurpation and ensuing concealment of history. Add in the moon stuff and it becomes very sci-fi and very intriguing. :P

[jackovesk]

There is a concept called Archons that I work into this mix, that is they are the same lot.

They are what's known as the 'Bullies of the Universe', they have infiltrated our Govts, our World and Minds...

They Teethe with unimaginable evil and fester our dimension with unsightly evil...

In other words - 'They are not very nice Creatures', whose main aim is to rob each and every human of their soul...

[Mark]

Let's assume for a moment that this is indeed true. Let's also assume that Sitchin was right about the human race being tampered with, nudged, and prodded by some kind of Annunaki or Prometheus or whatever. Then it becomes easy to speculate that the reptiles have also been tampered with and nudged. The question then becomes, by whom and for what purpose? How do these agendas intersect, compliment , or conflict? Fun to think about.

Heheh, indeed. Ever heard the term, panspermia?

Perhaps it has been occurring since time immemorial, as the movies, channeling and common lore are beginning to agree upon. That the seeding of a planet and the genetic manipulation of lower-order primates is done in order to house evolving souls. That it continues from system to system, planet to planet, race to race. I personally am coming to the conclusion that we ALL here are descended partly from earth stock, but that we have been manipulated with different degrees of alien stock at different times for different purposes. Add to that our own intermingling and you've got quite the potpourri of genetic wealth.

If the aliens in external merkabas (UFOs) are here just to mine that, it would be enough, imho. This planet and its biology must be a gold mine of potentiality.

[modwiz]

or are the dinosaurs genetic creations/descendants of reptilians?

Knowing you, that is both humor and a legitimate question. Good one. too.

Modwiz, i'm afraid i'm woefully out of my league here.

as i am only a casual follower of such theories, i'll say this: if that comment is as painfully ignorant as i'm beginning to feel it is, let's just all pretend i was being ironic.;)

if it has any relevance at all, i'll own it.

deal?

I was being sincere. There is a good question in that comment.

[Mike]

or are the dinosaurs genetic creations/descendants of reptilians?

Knowing you, that is both humor and a legitimate question. Good one. too.

Modwiz, i'm afraid i'm woefully out of my league here.

as i am only a casual follower of such theories, i'll say this: if that comment is as painfully ignorant as i'm beginning to feel it is, let's just all pretend i was being ironic.;)

if it has any relevance at all, i'll own it.

deal?

I was being sincere. There is a good question in that comment.

well that's good to know.

because i was fully prepared to blame it on the beer;)

[jackovesk]

There is a concept called Archons that I work into this mix, that is they are the same lot.

This is exactly what I'm trying to figure out myself. If the Reptilians (whatever planet they're from, if they're Annunaki or not, if they're descendants of dinosauras or not) are all corporeal or astral or both. If some groups are and some groups are not. And if the groups that have not figured out higher dimensional access are subject to control by the Archons who seem to be fully incorporeal . I heard a guy the other day saying Lash was wrong, and the Greys and Reptilians don't represent the Archons. That the Nag Hammadi speaks of the Archons being like "unformed" fetuses, which is more like amoebas. This guy also claims that the pictures that constable took back in the day (http://tarrdaniel.com/documents/Ufology/skycritters.html) are the Archons. He says that Casteneda/Don Juan called them the Night Flyers, or the Foreign Installation, which were similarly amoeba-like, unformed.

They are what's known as the 'Bullies of the Universe', they have infiltrated our Govts, our World and Minds...

They Teethe with unimaginable darkness and fester our dimension with unsightly evil...

In other words - 'They are not very nice Creatures', whose main aim is to rob each and every human of their soul...

...................

Sorry my computer was playing up, must be due to those evil reptilians!

[Cjay]

1derer, Have you ever seen air? By your definition, air must not exist.

Yes, if you throw a colorant into the sky, you will see it move and also I breathe it too.

Have you breathed a reptilian? LMAO

You can laugh all you like, 1derer. I don't care what you believe or don't believe. It is my belief - one that is apparently shared by the majority who have posted in this thread - that you really don't belong in this forum if you can't disagree more respectfully.

It's unfortunate that you find yourself and/or your ridicule of others so amusing. I can just about guarantee that when you have sufficient proof or when it becomes common knowledge, you will be saying "I knew it all along" and I doubt you will have the maturity or decency to ever admit that you were wrong.


You see the colorant move, not the air. You are seeing evidence of air, not the air itself. I believe this makes the point some of us are trying to convey. I realize, as stated before, that this can be a difficult hurdle to cross.

Thank you Jonathon, well said.

The same basic point can be made about so many things we take for granted, such as sub-atomic particles, protons, neutrons, electrons, atoms, ions, molecules, DNA, electricity, magnetism, gravity, black holes, infra-red radiation, ultra-violet radiation, radioactivity, microwaves, x-rays, gamma rays, sound, radio waves and even thought. We can't actually see any of them but we can deduce their existence by observing their effects.

Just bear in mind that only a few hundred years ago, the best educated scientists of that time "knew" with absolute certainty that the world is flat. They also "knew" that the Earth was the centre of the universe. They "knew" the human body would explode if we travelled faster than a galloping horse. Anyone who disagreed was ridiculed, harrassed, labeled a heretic and burned at the stake.

[modwiz]

or are the dinosaurs genetic creations/descendants of reptilians?

Knowing you, that is both humor and a legitimate question. Good one. too.

Modwiz, i'm afraid i'm woefully out of my league here.

as i am only a casual follower of such theories, i'll say this: if that comment is as painfully ignorant as i'm beginning to feel it is, let's just all pretend i was being ironic.;)

if it has any relevance at all, i'll own it.

deal?

I was being sincere. There is a good question in that comment.

well that's good to know.

because i was fully prepared to blame it on the beer;)

When one considers the velociraptor and its mobility and seeming intelligence, coupled with the fact dinosaurs were warm blooded and not exactly the same as modern reptiles you can come up with intriguing musings. Even if they are not the correct story they do have some parallel validity in the way this Universe unfolds.

That is a whole other discussion that Carmody would be perfect for joining into.

[jackovesk]

When one considers the velociraptor and its mobility and seeming intelligence, coupled with the fact dinosaurs were warm blooded and nor exactly the same as modern reptiles you can come up with intriguing musings. Even if they are not the correst story they do have some parallel validity in the way this Universe unfolds.

That is a whole other discussion that Carmody would be perfect for joining into.

Just like humans have pets, so did the Repitilians...

[Calz]

well that's good to know.

because i was fully prepared to blame it on the beer;)


Yes ... but can you ***prove it***??? :haha:


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[modwiz]

On earth possibly being upright at some point;

Would we survive without the moon. (http://britanniaradio.blogspot.com/2011/11/would-earth-survive-without-moon.html)

"...the pre-Hellenic Pelasgian inhabitants of Arcadia called themselves Proselenes, because they boasted that they came into the country before the Moon accompanied the Earth. Pre-Hellenic and pre-lunarian were synonymous." -- Alexander Von Humboldt, naturalist, 1851

"These were Arcadians of Evander's following, the so‑called Pre-Lunar people." -- Plutarch, historian, Moralia: The Roman Questions #76, 1st century

"The stars did not yet revolve in the heavens; the Danaides had not yet appeared, nor the race of Deucalion; the Arcadians alone existed, those of whom it is said that they lived before the Moon, eating acorns upon the mountains." -- Apollonios Rhodios, librarian, Argonautica, ~246 B.C.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=21429&sid=3b791b7629e78bb09bfdb10e5ae43d95

It all seems to point to around the time of the end of ancient Greece and beginning of Rome. I've been very curious about where exactly Rome came form so I asked my History professor, whose focus is medieval and ancient history, who actually founded and built what became the Roman empire. He bluntly told me that no one is really sure. There were Etruscans in the area but we know they weren't part of it. We assume it must have been someone coming from Northern Europe.

Guido von List who formed many of the ideas which led to Nazi thought, though tending to me much less radical, believed that Rome had usurped a former central European empire ruled by Priest-Kings (very Egyptian) and that the presence of the Roman Catholic church in the resulting states was actually an occupation.

Interestingly the Nation of Islam tells stories of running the white man out of Africa to the Northern "cold" climates upon deciding that he could not be emotionally trusted a very long time ago. This is a story told in the 5% movement (Nation of Gods and Earths) proclaiming the black man the original man and the white man the usurper. the idea of the 5% being that only 10% of the world is in the know. 5% use the knowing to their advantage to rule while the other 5% become the poor righteous teachers.

All however speak of this usurpation and ensuing concealment of history. Add in the moon stuff and it becomes very sci-fi and very intriguing. :P

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35733--Red-Ice-Radio--Frank-O-Collins-The-Roman-Cult--Law--The-Khazars&p=366168&viewfull=1#post366168

This post by Jacko has an answer to your question about the Romans. A very interesting one too.

[Mike]

well that's good to know.

because i was fully prepared to blame it on the beer;)


Yes ... but can you ***prove it***??? :haha:


11737


only if you have a functional alternate reality time machine, Calz;)

[Jonathon]

Thank you Cjay - I appreciate your comment. I would like to add too before I crawl into bed... let's no let this get too out of hand. I'm finding it difficult to say this without it being interpreted as condescending by 1Derer or any other (certainly don't intend to be), but we need to allow ourselves to empathize with all points of views. Facades such as forums sometimes create thicker 'walls' within. Not unlike the large metal boxes we drive in daily as we spew unmentionables at other metal boxes LOL. The sense of anonymity and protection can bring out the worst in people... they say and do things they would never do face to face. It's easy for us to forget who we are sometimes... and even easier to forget who someone else is.

I have been in what I believe to be 1Derer's position - I'm pretty sure I get where he is coming from. I have been shown a whole spectrum of reactions to what I would call now 'worthless' comments or responses I have made in the past. The ones I remember are the few most loving and constructive responses and quite a few of the not so nice ones (confrontive, humiliating etc). I can say without a doubt, the loving and constructive responses did me the absolute most good while those that humiliated or attacked worked to reinforce the problem by creating pain in some form. I'm also working on this as a parent - it's not so easy! =) I don't know that I've done that here, but my intention is to work on it.

Looks like the thread is moving on nicely.

Anyway - just wanted to share. Night all.

[Cjay]

Thanks Jonathon.

I would also like to acknowledge and thank 1derer for softening his communication style and showing an open mind.

[DNA]

the technology given in the bases may be to help the beings whom we call our leaders..be in a position where they do not have to return to the source...

Wow, it's weird you would go here. I've been of the same opinion for a long time.
It is obvious to me that there is a fourth dimension. This fourth dimension is populated by the souls of those who wish to circumvent the natural order of things, they do not wish to participate in reincarnation. These souls ussually power their activities in the fourth dimension by "cording" a 3d life form.

In the fourth D, there is no connection to source, as such, you are not fed, you must feed your thinking mind with energy and to do so become a parasite.
The fourth D is very malleable, and very much responsive to the "Power of Intention". So it could be like a paradise if you had enough energy to sustain the environment you wished to create.

You make mention of moving souls from one body to another and I do not doubt that possibility. In so far as the realm of technology is concerned. But I propose that no body would be needed in many instances. If the greys were working for "fill in the blank" and wished to offer a power source of spiritual energy to these folks, they could circumvent the natural order of things for a very long time, and live in the fourth D.

Also,,,I'm a big fan of Michael Newton as well. :)

I just wanted to add to this.

The Essenes stated as said by John Lash to have witnessed these "archons" when their meditations were the must succussful. They would warn their students about it. For it seemed these entities were drawn to folks who had attained a certain level and were intent upon disturbing this success.

The same can be said for Ayahuasca visionaries. Pablo Amaringo a famous painter of ayahuasca visions said he began to see UFOs more and more frequently, and the arrival of these intruders into his visions caused him to stop the ayahuasca meditations.

This follows suit with what Wilhelm Reich was saying about negative ETs showing up in saucers when he was conducting his experiments. He was convinced these saucers were parasatyzing the earth of it's orgon energy, and his use of this energy had drawn their attention.

This also stands to reason why Charles Forte would state that "differing alien cultures have traded us like so many beads through the course of the centuries, and that we are owned", this was why he called his 1919 book "the damned", this is a reference to our being owned, and our institutions and governments having been infiltrated by human agents for these folks.

I myself had a incident that was very remnicent of what the Essenes warned about. I had reached a place in my meditations were I witnessed something, and then seemed to be the recepient of some focused attacks for having had reached this place. The result was I didn't want to meditate anymore. And for the most part, I still don't. The full narrative is here on Avalon (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?22614-Holographically-Projected-Human-Alien-Healers).





After about a year of interaction (with the folks) I had made some real break throughs so to speak.
Powerfull break throughs in consciousness and the arrangement of powers that over see our planet.
I became aware that we are multidimensional beings, but, it wasn't just that I was aware of that, it was that I was becoming capable of actualizing and manifesting into some of these dormant layers. At one point, I awoke in a setting where atrophied higher D layers of mankind stood still and lifeless and there before me was a type of walking stick humanoid, this walking stick humanoid was toiling amungst the higher D atrophied humans, he was harvesting a prize from these people,,,a energetic prize.
Intuitivelly I felt that mankind was a resource for alien cultures we know nothing of.
Wether this energy is used for casual day to day life I do not know,,,,but I don't think so.
Some part of me thinks it is used to sustain those who wish to live forever. Wether these long lived alien folks attempt their immortallity in physical bodies,,,or astral type bodies I do not know......................




It is worth noting I think, that I was coming out of a meditation, and I was still wearing my meditative vision.
And this is going to sound a little crazy, but, I saw what looked like energetic tentacles coming through the ceiling, searching for something.
When they seem to have found me, these attacks began.
These attacks were focused on my cerebellum,,,the top of the spine, where the second brain is so to speak.................


It really took the wind out of my meditations,,,and even now I don't really do them anymore................


The whole thing is very Matrix like.

[Calz]

To be sure there are plenty of paths to follow to explain "reality".

Interesting study here regarding the effect of DMT.

Of particular interest to this thread is that under a controlled study (I believe the only one of it's kind to be "allowed") some of the subjects experienced "alien abductions" while in their beds. Make of that what you will.


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In 1990, I began the first new human research with psychedelic, or hallucinogenic, drugs in the United States in over 20 years. These studies investigated the effects of N,N-dimethyltryptamine, or DMT, an extremely short-acting and powerful psychedelic. During the project's five years, I administered approximately 400 doses of DMT to 60 human volunteers. This research took place at the University of New Mexico's School of Medicine in Albuquerque, where I was a tenured Associate Professor of Psychiatry.

I was drawn to DMT because of its presence in all of our bodies. Perhaps excessive DMT production, coming from the mysterious pineal gland, was involved in naturally occurring "psychedelic" states. These states might include birth, death and near-death, psychosis, and mystical experiences. Only later, while the study was well under way, did I also begin considering DMT's role in the "alien abduction" experience.

The DMT project was founded on cutting-edge brain science, especially the psychopharmacology of serotonin. However, my own background powerfully affected how we prepared people for, and supervised, their drug sessions. One of these was a decade-long relationship with a Zen Buddhist training monastery.

"DMT: The Spirit Molecule" reviews what we know about psychedelic drugs in general, and DMT in particular. It then traces the DMT research project from its earliest intimations through a maze of committees and review boards to its actual performance.

Our research subjects were healthy volunteers. The studies were not intended to be therapeutic, although all of us believed in the potentially beneficial properties of psychedelic drugs. The project generated a wealth of biological and psychological data, much of which I have already published in the scientific literature. On the other hand, I have written nearly nothing about the volunteers' stories. I hope these many excerpts from over 1000 pages of my bedside notes provide a sense of the remarkable emotional, psychological, and spiritual effects of this chemical.

Problems inside and outside of the research environment led to the end of these studies in 1995. Despite the difficulties we encountered, I am optimistic about the possible benefits of the controlled use of these drugs. Based upon what we learned in the New Mexico research, I offer a wide-ranging vision for DMT's role in our lives, and conclude by proposing a research agenda and optimal setting for future work with DMT and related drugs.

The late Willis Harman possessed one of the most discerning minds to apply himself to the field of psychedelic research. Earlier in his career, Willis had published the first and only scientific study using psychedelics to enhance the creative process. When I met him 30 years later in 1994, he was President of the Institute of Noetic Sciences, an organization founded by the sixth man to walk on the moon, Edgar Mitchell. Mitchell's mystical experience, stimulated by viewing the Earth on his return home, inspired him to study phenomena outside the range of traditional science, which, nevertheless, might yield to a broader application of the scientific method.

During a long walk together along the central California coastal range one day, Dr. Harman said firmly, "At the very least, we must enlarge the discussion about psychedelics." It is in response to his request that I include highly speculative ideas and my own personal motivations for performing this research. This approach will satisfy no one in every respect. There is intense friction between what we know intellectually or even intuitively, and what we experience with the aid of DMT. As one of our volunteers exclaimed after his first high-dose session, "Wow! I never expected that!" Or, as Dogen, a thirteenth-century Japanese Buddhist teacher said, "We must always be disturbed by the truth." Enthusiasts of the psychedelic drug culture may dislike the conclusion that DMT has no beneficial effects in and of itself; rather, the context in which people take it is at least as important. Proponents of drug control may condemn what they read as encouragement to take psychedelic drugs and a glorification of the DMT experience. Practitioners and spokespersons of traditional religions may reject the suggestion that spiritual states can be accessed, and mystical information gained, through drugs. Those who have undergone "alien abduction," and their advocates, may interpret as a challenge to the "reality" of their experiences my suggestion that DMT is intimately involved in those events. Opponents and supporters of abortion rights may find fault with my proposal that pineal DMT release at 49 days after conception marks the entrance of the spirit into the fetus.

Brain researchers may object to the suggestion that DMT affects the brain's ability to receive information rather than generate those perceptions themselves. They also may dismiss the proposal that DMT can allow our brains to perceive dark matter or parallel universes, realms of existence inhabited by conscious entities.

However, if I did not describe all the ideas behind the DMT studies, and the entire range of our volunteers' experiences, I would not be telling the entire tale. At best, The Spirit Molecule would have little effect on the scope of discussion about psychedelics; at worst, the book would reduce the field. Nor would I be honest if I did not share my own speculations and theories based upon my decades of study, and listening to hundreds of DMT sessions. That is why I did it. That is what happened. And that is what I think about it.

In sum, it is so important for us to understand consciousness. It is just as important to place psychedelic drugs in general, and DMT in particular, into a personal and cultural matrix where we do the most good, and the least harm. In such a wide-open area of inquiry, it is best that we reject no ideas until we actually disprove them. It is in the interest of enlarging the discussion about psychedelic drugs that I have written "DMT: The Spirit Molecule."

http://www.rickstrassman.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=54&Itemid=54

[Mike]

wow, i can certainly relate to the attack on the cerebellum DNA. reading that gave me the shivers.

i have, since childhood, had a recurring experience - though it hasn't occurred for some time now. it happens usually while laying down to sleep. there is this sensation that i'm being dragged into what i can only describe as a dream-state, though i know it's something far more sinister than that. and i fight like hell to regain consciousness. this battle takes a massive effort, and each time i feel exceedingly fortunate to have snapped out of it.

it always occurs in the same spot too - the area right where my spine meets my skull. i feel like i'm being dragged into some black hole located right in this area. this seems to be the battleground.

[DNA]

On earth possibly being upright at some point;

Would we survive without the moon. (http://britanniaradio.blogspot.com/2011/11/would-earth-survive-without-moon.html)

"...the pre-Hellenic Pelasgian inhabitants of Arcadia called themselves Proselenes, because they boasted that they came into the country before the Moon accompanied the Earth. Pre-Hellenic and pre-lunarian were synonymous." -- Alexander Von Humboldt, naturalist, 1851

"These were Arcadians of Evander's following, the so‑called Pre-Lunar people." -- Plutarch, historian, Moralia: The Roman Questions #76, 1st century

"The stars did not yet revolve in the heavens; the Danaides had not yet appeared, nor the race of Deucalion; the Arcadians alone existed, those of whom it is said that they lived before the Moon, eating acorns upon the mountains." -- Apollonios Rhodios, librarian, Argonautica, ~246 B.C.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=21429&sid=3b791b7629e78bb09bfdb10e5ae43d95

It all seems to point to around the time of the end of ancient Greece and beginning of Rome. I've been very curious about where exactly Rome came form so I asked my History professor, whose focus is medieval and ancient history, who actually founded and built what became the Roman empire. He bluntly told me that no one is really sure. There were Etruscans in the area but we know they weren't part of it. We assume it must have been someone coming from Northern Europe.

Guido von List who formed many of the ideas which led to Nazi thought, though tending to me much less radical, believed that Rome had usurped a former central European empire ruled by Priest-Kings (very Egyptian) and that the presence of the Roman Catholic church in the resulting states was actually an occupation.

Interestingly the Nation of Islam tells stories of running the white man out of Africa to the Northern "cold" climates upon deciding that he could not be emotionally trusted a very long time ago. This is a story told in the 5% movement (Nation of Gods and Earths) proclaiming the black man the original man and the white man the usurper. the idea of the 5% being that only 10% of the world is in the know. 5% use the knowing to their advantage to rule while the other 5% become the poor righteous teachers.

All however speak of this usurpation and ensuing concealment of history. Add in the moon stuff and it becomes very sci-fi and very intriguing. :P

I'm only making a correlation here. The Terra Papers by Robert Morning Sky (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/08PDF_Files/The_Terra_Papers_Parts_1_and_2.pdf)(free pdf) state some pretty crazy stuff, but, the correlation is in keeping with the thread topic.

Morning Sky wrote a alternative history to the earth. This alternative history is star wars meets Zacharia Sitchin, but for those who can suspend their disbelief there is some amazing reading here. The same story is given in so much that the Annunaki came to earth and inserted their own genetics into primitive man to create a new race of humans.

The interesting thing, is that Morning Sky claimed to have gotten the story from his Grandfather, an Apache Indian living in the American South West on a Reservation. The story goes that a UFO crash landed in the vicinity of the reservation, and that an injured alien was found their by MorningSky's grandfather. The being was taken back to camp and hidden from the American Government. As the being was nursed back to health he told an alternative story of creation and the history of man to Morningsky's grandfather and fellow tribesmmen.

He told Morningsky's grandfather that a war has been waged over the planet earth, and this war continues to this day.

The being said that the folks responsible for starting mankind were the SIRIANS, a mammalian race evolved from a wolf like animal.
They were said to be ferocious warriors.
So ferocious that they carved out a territory in the reptillian controlled galaxy that we live in.

So, to get back to the deal with Rome. Is it possible that some of these folks arrived on earth and influenced this culture being born?
Is the story of romulos and remus being raised by a wolf mother some how connected to the SIRIANS being evolved from a wolf like animal?

[modwiz]

On earth possibly being upright at some point;

Would we survive without the moon. (http://britanniaradio.blogspot.com/2011/11/would-earth-survive-without-moon.html)

"...the pre-Hellenic Pelasgian inhabitants of Arcadia called themselves Proselenes, because they boasted that they came into the country before the Moon accompanied the Earth. Pre-Hellenic and pre-lunarian were synonymous." -- Alexander Von Humboldt, naturalist, 1851

"These were Arcadians of Evander's following, the so‑called Pre-Lunar people." -- Plutarch, historian, Moralia: The Roman Questions #76, 1st century

"The stars did not yet revolve in the heavens; the Danaides had not yet appeared, nor the race of Deucalion; the Arcadians alone existed, those of whom it is said that they lived before the Moon, eating acorns upon the mountains." -- Apollonios Rhodios, librarian, Argonautica, ~246 B.C.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=21429&sid=3b791b7629e78bb09bfdb10e5ae43d95

It all seems to point to around the time of the end of ancient Greece and beginning of Rome. I've been very curious about where exactly Rome came form so I asked my History professor, whose focus is medieval and ancient history, who actually founded and built what became the Roman empire. He bluntly told me that no one is really sure. There were Etruscans in the area but we know they weren't part of it. We assume it must have been someone coming from Northern Europe.

Guido von List who formed many of the ideas which led to Nazi thought, though tending to me much less radical, believed that Rome had usurped a former central European empire ruled by Priest-Kings (very Egyptian) and that the presence of the Roman Catholic church in the resulting states was actually an occupation.

Interestingly the Nation of Islam tells stories of running the white man out of Africa to the Northern "cold" climates upon deciding that he could not be emotionally trusted a very long time ago. This is a story told in the 5% movement (Nation of Gods and Earths) proclaiming the black man the original man and the white man the usurper. the idea of the 5% being that only 10% of the world is in the know. 5% use the knowing to their advantage to rule while the other 5% become the poor righteous teachers.

All however speak of this usurpation and ensuing concealment of history. Add in the moon stuff and it becomes very sci-fi and very intriguing. :P

I'm only making a correlation here. The Terra Papers by Robert Morning Sky (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/08PDF_Files/The_Terra_Papers_Parts_1_and_2.pdf)(free pdf) state some pretty crazy stuff, but, the correlation is in keeping with the thread topic.

Morning Sky wrote a alternative history to the earth. This alternative history is star wars meets Zacharia Sitchin, but for those who can suspend their disbelief there is some amazing reading here. The same story is given in so much that the Annunaki came to earth and inserted their own genetics into primitive man to create a new race of humans.

The interesting thing, is that Morning Sky claimed to have gotten the story from his Grandfather, an Apache Indian living in the American South West on a Reservation. The story goes that a UFO crash landed in the vicinity of the reservation, and that an injured alien was found their by MorningSky's grandfather. The being was taken back to camp and hidden from the American Government. As the being was nursed back to health he told an alternative story of creation and the history of man to Morningsky's grandfather and fellow tribesmmen.

He told Morningsky's grandfather that a war has been waged over the planet earth, and this war continues to this day.

The being said that the folks responsible for starting mankind were the SIRIANS, a mammalian race evolved from a wolf like animal.
They were said to be ferocious warriors.
So ferocious that they carved out a territory in the reptillian controlled galaxy that we live in.

So, to get back to the deal with Rome. Is it possible that some of these folks arrived on earth and influenced this culture being born?
Is the story of romulos and remus being raised by a wolf mother some how connected to the SIRIANS being evolved from a wolf like animal?

How about Sirius being the Dog Star. Dogs are wolf like. The people who claim decent from the Sirians and knew of Sirius-B before science did are the Dogon. Doggonit, there is that wolf thingy again.

I like your questions DNA. I am sure this is one of the threads of the unknown tapestry of our history.

[DNA]

The location I found, I had sent to Bill, about half a year back or more. So he could pass that along to Jordan, if he desired to do so.

I never investigated the ley line termination points ....and that resulted in my involvement in this thread... and subsequent further discovery of termination points, this particular day, today. Those termination points seem to support all prior evidence and considerations...in that something of substance is involved in the 'reptilian' premise.

I'm curiuos, would you be able to do a ley line diagnosis of the East Portion of the Arizona Superstition Mountains in Apache Junction?

This has been an area of high strangeness for as long people have been here.

It's name is a result of all the superstitions native peoples have had concerning it, further many people feel it is a portal zone of sorts. There is also strong suspiscion that it contains an underground base of some kind, possibly alien and many folks think reptilian.

I would be willing to do it myself if you could PM me some brief instructions.

Thanks

[Carmody]

Let's assume for a moment that this is indeed true. Let's also assume that Sitchin was right about the human race being tampered with, nudged, and prodded by some kind of Annunaki or Prometheus or whatever. Then it becomes easy to speculate that the reptiles have also been tampered with and nudged. The question then becomes, by whom and for what purpose? How do these agendas intersect, compliment , or conflict? Fun to think about.

Heheh, indeed. Ever heard the term, panspermia?

Perhaps it has been occurring since time immemorial, as the movies, channeling and common lore are beginning to agree upon. That the seeding of a planet and the genetic manipulation of lower-order primates is done in order to house evolving souls. That it continues from system to system, planet to planet, race to race. I personally am coming to the conclusion that we ALL here are descended partly from earth stock, but that we have been manipulated with different degrees of alien stock at different times for different purposes. Add to that our own intermingling and you've got quite the potpourri of genetic wealth.

If the aliens in external merkabas (UFOs) are here just to mine that, it would be enough, imho. This planet and its biology must be a gold mine of potentiality.

We are on the beach, we are the turtles, they are the seagulls.

Or something like that.

[Carmody]

The location I found, I had sent to Bill, about half a year back or more. So he could pass that along to Jordan, if he desired to do so.

I never investigated the ley line termination points ....and that resulted in my involvement in this thread... and subsequent further discovery of termination points, this particular day, today. Those termination points seem to support all prior evidence and considerations...in that something of substance is involved in the 'reptilian' premise.

I'm curiuos, would you be able to do a ley line diagnosis of the East Portion of the Arizona Superstition Mountains in Apache Junction?

This has been an area of high strangeness for as long people have been here.

It's name is a result of all the superstitions native peoples have had concerning it, further many people feel it is a portal zone of sorts. There is also strong suspicion that it contains an underground base of some kind, possibly alien and many folks think reptilian.

I would be willing to do it myself if you could PM me some brief instructions.

Thanks

Apache Junction has a ley line that runs right through it.

that particular ley line also goes through that suspected camping point in Colorado, which is part of the topic of this thread.

Which goes into northern Scotland.


Obtain google earth

http://www.google.com/earth/index.html

Obtain the 'kmz' file for the ley lines, from vortex maps:

http://www.vortexmaps.com/hagens-grid-google.php

The line itself runs on the west side of 'four peaks' proper, by about 3000 ft., this...down from the location of the suspected camping area /3x ley line cross point.

On a standard map, draw a straight line (In Apache Junction) from the intersection of S ironwood dr and superstition, to a point about 2000 ft west of the main peak of four peaks, and that is pretty close to the given energy/ley line.

[DNA]

Apache Junction has a ley line that runs right through it.

that particular ley line also goes through that suspected camping point in Colorado, which is the topic of this thread.

which goes into northern Scotland.

obtain google earth

http://www.google.com/earth/index.html

obtain the 'kmz' file for the ley lines, from vortex maps:

http://www.vortexmaps.com/hagens-grid-google.php

the line itself runs on the west side of 'four peaks' proper, by about 3000 ft., this...down from the location of the suspected camping area /3x ley line cross point.

on a standard map, draw a straight line (In Apache Junction) from the intersection of S ironwood dr and superstition, to a point about 2000 ft west of the main peak of four peaks, and that is pretty close to the given energy/ley line.

That's so cool. The superstitions have an immense amount of energy coming off of them in my opinion. I find the energy much more satisfying than say Sedona.
Folks rave about the energy in Sedona but me personally I'll take the superstitions any day.
I've heard some ley lines carry different energy. And some folks are more receptive to one energy or another.

Thanks Carmody, Take Care

[Carmody]

Apache Junction has a ley line that runs right through it.

that particular ley line also goes through that suspected camping point in Colorado, which is the topic of this thread.

which goes into northern Scotland.

obtain google earth

http://www.google.com/earth/index.html

obtain the 'kmz' file for the ley lines, from vortex maps:

http://www.vortexmaps.com/hagens-grid-google.php

the line itself runs on the west side of 'four peaks' proper, by about 3000 ft., this...down from the location of the suspected camping area /3x ley line cross point.

on a standard map, draw a straight line (In Apache Junction) from the intersection of S ironwood dr and superstition, to a point about 2000 ft west of the main peak of four peaks, and that is pretty close to the given energy/ley line.

That's so cool. The superstitions have an immense amount of energy coming off of them in my opinion. I find the energy much more satisfying than say Sedona.
Folks rave about the energy in Sedona but me personally I'll take the superstitions any day.
I've heard some ley lines carry different energy. And some folks are more receptive to one energy or another.

Thanks Carmody, Take Care

It's all about additive harmonics, the earth being struck like a bell..and all these different shapes being excited in the 'shpere' that the earth is. I've put that all in other threads.... somewhere on this forum.


each frequency creates and is involved in a specific set of ley lines that describe the given (geometric) 'shape'. (platonic solids) cross points are points of mutual stressing where the harmonics meet and create dimensional crossing points via the additive harmonics. They accelerate the dimensional aspects of what we call 'ordinary' matter, thus prying the opening within each particle to a larger size and polarizing it into specific portal angle or direction, for a given dimensional aspect.

This is why bases and the like are on the main UVG grid points, as they are like portals to the larger number of destinations and dimensions. A central station of sorts, if you will. These points also allow certain amount of command/access/influence of the earth grid or energy levels and types.

the Great pyramid is located in the center pint of the mass of the earth's surface. it is the starting point for the grid proper, the original one considered. So far, it is holding true, with regard to explaining the rest. as you can abundantly see.

If you take a sphere and place a small tip of external material of the right resonant shape..and then use that sphere as the top of a huge 'van de graaff ' generator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_de_Graaff_generator), all the electricity will spike and discharge off that one tip..and any energetic flow and forms will originate and be connected to that tiny bump. For it is the leakage point of the surface, the electrostatic connection to the entire outer charge differential that is outside of the sphere proper.

Since the pyramid was at the most important point, it might be considered the greatest access point and then the whole star pointing thing about Sirius and Orion, etc,involving the pyramid.

The center mass point of the SURFACE of the earth is that point of the great pyramid.

In order to incorporate the largest number of series of harmonics, a fundamental frequency...has to be..at the LOWEST frequency possible. The center mass point of the surface of the globe is indeed at the great pyramid's location. It has the lowest frequency fundamental,and thus all harmonics possible MUST be centered on that point.

So... the earth cannot vibrate dimensionally or or have any sort of access that is not involved in that point on the globe. Everything, dimensionally, access wise..is connected to the great pyramid's specific location in 3d space and time, on this globe we call earth.

It could have also served as a lock on our evolution, or something else entirely.

My third life memory was of my last day on earth, in the roman occupation of Egypt. I broke that thing so it could never be used again. Good or bad, I don't know, but break it I did. Cost me my life.

also that if one inverts Einstein's equations, which remain valid (Eisenstein admitted that he could have gotten the 'sign' wrong. ie +/- aspect being incorrect), they get to a situation where mass dissolves, in one conceptual aspect ... becomes ephemeral. which John hutchison's experiments seem to be indicating--as they are all about additive harmonics.

That not the mass of the universe is required to reach light speed..but that as one approaches light speed, mass and 3d time/space dimensional connection of said materials or atomic particles...decreases to zero.

The structure of differentials between various atomic particles is measured in electron volts but this is also translatable, regarding light speed connections, to rate of change, or delta.

When you take multiple non-perfect harmonics and add them together in vibrational and or electrostatic function, you get freak wave peaks of immense acceleration. See the works of Nikolai Kozyrev on that aspect.

Thus the same aspects of defeating light speed. Additive harmonics work just fine.

The pyramid is a giant physical piezoelectric accelerator/resonator of such dimensional energies. Due to it's location, and 3d construction.

Then back to these localized ley line aspects and issues. The same, but milder, different. Specific frequencies/harmonics, specific dimensional involvements.

[1derer]

So I found this video on the toobs, and wondered what the reppy fans think of it?

Kur36SWZhsA

Is the 'classssifed' refering to robby the reppy or some other nefarious evil mind controlloing animal that somewhat resembles a reppy but is not a reppy?

Also, what is the agenda of the reppies? Human Babacued ribs, or total slave control and then a barbie?

[Kristin]

1derer,
I understand completely how you feel. I would also be having the same things to say about this seemingly insane premise... Reptilians ruling the Earth, COME ON!!! However, I have one issue that led me to this thread in the first place. I've seen a reptilian up close and personal. Now I am left trying to place that experience in what was once my perception of reality. What happened is that my perception had to change and expand. The other choice I have is to ignore completely what I experienced; which I know is fact, and pretend for the rest of my life when in my heart I know what I saw. I do not know who the reptilians are or what their agenda is first hand, but I know they exist. Plan and simple. So I live my truth as best I can. I would rather be honest about it then hide and feel afraid to ask questions and explore the subject. I hope this helps you to understand that some of us do not have a choice as you do.

I honestly would find it easier to have not seen a reptilian; however that would not leave me to discredit the work that Icke is doing. If you take out the word "Reptilian" and replace it with something less floral I would still agree with a majority of what Icke says. I realize that this is a hot and cold subject. I hope that this post helps in that we need to talk about our disagreements with respect for all opinions. I really respect yours and where you are coming from on this... I wish I could fell the same... but since I got the evidence I needed to believe, without looking for it, I guess I'm stuck here wondering why, who, and what.

Happy Hunting,
Wormhole

[Carmody]

Is the 'classssifed' refering to robby the reppy or some other nefarious evil mind controlloing animal that somewhat resembles a reppy but is not a reppy?

Also, what is the agenda of the reppies? Human Babacued ribs, or total slave control and then a barbie?

I suggest you get ahold of yourself.

You are either unaware, or semi-aware and deliberately causing interference, or still in the pre-panic stage of finding this stuff ...and trying to figure it out.

[1derer]

I completely agree with you Carmody, 100%! It is good to see there are people who do not use their reptilian side nor their weight with others to quash opinion such as yourself and chiniceski, and I respect you all the more for it.

I do want answers on that video, as if reptilians do in fact exist, are they the ones being refered to in that classified video? Is the so called reptillian presence a lot worse than it is?

In posting that vid I am trying to understand the situation somwhat more - without fear of attack, so that i may empathise with those who are very afraid (assumption) of these highly intelligent creatures.

Maybe we have it wrong, and again I attribute this to the reppy brain fucntions, that reptillians are really mean evil creatures that liek to eat us with a healthy slapping of babacue sauce or fried chicken, perhaps they are gentle, loving beings that are receiving bad press form these types of threads?

I mean they must have a community right? social structure and dare I say it, even little cute babies? Should we not embrace them rather than wage war with them? I meanthis isnt the tv series V or they live is it? Or is it?.....

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Is the 'classssifed' refering to robby the reppy or some other nefarious evil mind controlloing animal that somewhat resembles a reppy but is not a reppy?

Also, what is the agenda of the reppies? Human Babacued ribs, or total slave control and then a barbie?

I suggest you get ahold of yourself.

You are either unaware, or semi-aware and deliberately causing interference, or still in the pre-panic stage of finding this stuff ...and trying to figure it out.

No, I am trying to take a less glom=om and doom thinkng pattern towards a repptilian race, and have arrived at the conclusion that if you guys think they exist, then lets evaluate it a little more and see what needs to be done, I meanshould we be preparing to defend our selves, or to embrace them?

[Carmody]

The body fears unknowns and it must protect itself. Instinct.

In this instinct it demands, right now!... that one either fight or flight, first. This takes precedence, by design, over any form of thought. The body demands a black and white answer, now.

Since the intellect is part of the input output system, it can also involve itself in calming the body so the body can stop interfering in the formation of logic and logical deduction.

Resist the internal demand for emotional manipulation, which operates like a feedback loop.

One must calm the self, so one does not go willy-nilly over a non-existent cliff, driven like a lemming, by the emotional situation that is aroused by all of this.

then..start looking at the evidence, and the data.

It will take you some time.

[Cartomancer]

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The reptilian Sleestak from the Land of the Lost. A subterranean race of intelligent reptilian beings.

[ViralSpiral]

If any race has access to higher dimensional realities at a technological level and are able to install control mechanisms there then everything else falls into place. And why would it not be possible for civilizations that are millions or billions of years older than human civlization to develop these capabilities? And why would it be so difficult for us to believe that they could have? The time frame alone makes evolution inevitable. Look at how short a time it has taken us - albeit with help and perhaps we are returning to a level of technology previously held by humans on this planet - to advance in technology from horses to rocket ships and, potentially, other, higher forms of energetic output and travel.

Hi Rahkyt

Thanks for your links. If you have not already read this post by Buckminster Fuller, it may be of interest to you. The interesting bits start on page 11. Dulce insider (http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-AMERICA-Dulce-AFB-Insider-Interview-COMPLETE-will-take-an-hour-or-two-to-read?page=1)


Discernment, as always.......



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p.s. thanks for the interesting thread/posts

[Carmody]

I repeat this post as it is key to understanding this.




Apache Junction has a ley line that runs right through it.

that particular ley line also goes through that suspected camping point in Colorado, which is the topic of this thread.

which goes into northern Scotland.

obtain google earth

http://www.google.com/earth/index.html

obtain the 'kmz' file for the ley lines, from vortex maps:

http://www.vortexmaps.com/hagens-grid-google.php

the line itself runs on the west side of 'four peaks' proper, by about 3000 ft., this...down from the location of the suspected camping area /3x ley line cross point.

on a standard map, draw a straight line (In Apache Junction) from the intersection of S ironwood dr and superstition, to a point about 2000 ft west of the main peak of four peaks, and that is pretty close to the given energy/ley line.

That's so cool. The superstitions have an immense amount of energy coming off of them in my opinion. I find the energy much more satisfying than say Sedona.
Folks rave about the energy in Sedona but me personally I'll take the superstitions any day.
I've heard some ley lines carry different energy. And some folks are more receptive to one energy or another.

Thanks Carmody, Take Care

It's all about additive harmonics, the earth being struck like a bell..and all these different shapes being excited in the 'shpere' that the earth is. I've put that all in other threads.... somewhere on this forum.


each frequency creates and is involved in a specific set of ley lines that describe the given (geometric) 'shape'. (platonic solids) cross points are points of mutual stressing where the harmonics meet and create dimensional crossing points via the additive harmonics. They accelerate the dimensional aspects of what we call 'ordinary' matter, thus prying the opening within each particle to a larger size and polarizing it into specific portal angle or direction, for a given dimensional aspect.

This is why bases and the like are on the main UVG grid points, as they are like portals to the larger number of destinations and dimensions. A central station of sorts, if you will. These points also allow certain amount of command/access/influence of the earth grid or energy levels and types.

the Great pyramid is located in the center pint of the mass of the earth's surface. it is the starting point for the grid proper, the original one considered. So far, it is holding true, with regard to explaining the rest. as you can abundantly see.

If you take a sphere and place a small tip of external material of the right resonant shape..and then use that sphere as the top of a huge 'van de graaff ' generator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_de_Graaff_generator), all the electricity will spike and discharge off that one tip..and any energetic flow and forms will originate and be connected to that tiny bump. For it is the leakage point of the surface, the electrostatic connection to the entire outer charge differential that is outside of the sphere proper.

Since the pyramid was at the most important point, it might be considered the greatest access point and then the whole star pointing thing about Sirius and Orion, etc,involving the pyramid.

The center mass point of the SURFACE of the earth is that point of the great pyramid.

In order to incorporate the largest number of series of harmonics, a fundamental frequency...has to be..at the LOWEST frequency possible. The center mass point of the surface of the globe is indeed at the great pyramid's location. It has the lowest frequency fundamental,and thus all harmonics possible MUST be centered on that point.

So... the earth cannot vibrate dimensionally or or have any sort of access that is not involved in that point on the globe. Everything, dimensionally, access wise..is connected to the great pyramid's specific location in 3d space and time, on this globe we call earth.

It could have also served as a lock on our evolution, or something else entirely.

My third life memory was of my last day on earth, in the roman occupation of Egypt. I broke that thing so it could never be used again. Good or bad, I don't know, but break it I did. Cost me my life.

also that if one inverts Einstein's equations, which remain valid (Einstein admitted that he could have gotten the 'sign' wrong. ie +/- aspect being incorrect), they get to a situation where mass dissolves, in one conceptual aspect ... becomes ephemeral. which John hutchison's experiments seem to be indicating--as they are all about additive harmonics.

That not the mass of the universe is required to reach light speed..but that as one approaches light speed, mass and 3d time/space dimensional connection of said materials or atomic particles...decreases to zero.

The structure of differentials between various atomic particles is measured in electron volts but this is also translatable, regarding light speed connections, to rate of change, or delta.

When you take multiple non-perfect harmonics and add them together in vibrational and or electrostatic function, you get freak wave peaks of immense acceleration. See the works of Nikolai Kozyrev on that aspect.

Thus the same aspects of defeating light speed. Additive harmonics work just fine.

The pyramid is a giant physical piezoelectric accelerator/resonator of such dimensional energies. Due to it's location, and 3d construction.

Then back to these localized ley line aspects and issues. The same, but milder, different. Specific frequencies/harmonics, specific dimensional involvements.

[1derer]

The body fears unknowns and it must protect itself. Instinct.

In this instinct it demands, right now!... that one either fight or flight, first. This takes precedence, by design, over any form of thought. The body demands a black and white answer, now.

Since the intellect is part of the input output system, it can also involve itself in calming the body so the body can stop interfering in the formation of logic and logical deduction.

Resist the internal demand for emotional manipulation, which operates like a feedback loop.

One must calm the self, so one does not go willy-nilly over a non-existent cliff, driven like a lemming, by the emotional situation that is aroused by all of this.

then..start looking at the evidence, and the data.

It will take you some time.

Well, in my comment of prepare to defend or attack, I suppose I am using the black and white fight or flight response, but where would the information be contained to start the road of discovery into this area? I can only source and comment form that which is on the net, and there is very little information that says what should be done with this concept....

The video I put up also gives me need to question, as there is obviously something be ing referred to as a potential threat, but each time the speaker mentions it, he says "THAT IS CLASSIFIED" He does mention supreme strength so is he referring to reppies I wonder? it even has their name in the thread title, but what confuses the issue is that some here say that reppies are in another dimension, and therefore not physical?...

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

So I found this video on the toobs, and wondered what the reppy fans think of it?

Kur36SWZhsA

Is the 'classssifed' refering to robby the reppy or some other nefarious evil mind controlloing animal that somewhat resembles a reppy but is not a reppy?

Also, what is the agenda of the reppies? Human Babacued ribs, or total slave control and then a barbie?

By all accounts the video is a hoax & product of onion....http://www.youtube.com/user/TheOnion?blend=1&ob=4

[ViralSpiral]

The body fears unknowns and it must protect itself. Instinct.

In this instinct it demands, right now!... that one either fight or flight, first. This takes precedence, by design, over any form of thought. The body demands a black and white answer, now.

Since the intellect is part of the input output system, it can also involve itself in calming the body so the body can stop interfering in the formation of logic and logical deduction.

Resist the internal demand for emotional manipulation, which operates like a feedback loop.

One must calm the self, so one does not go willy-nilly over a non-existent cliff, driven like a lemming, by the emotional situation that is aroused by all of this.

then..start looking at the evidence, and the data.

It will take you some time.

Well, in my comment of prepare to defend or attack, I suppose I am using the black and white fight or flight response, but where would the information be contained to start the road of discovery into this area? I can only source and comment form that which is on the net, and there is very little information that says what should be done with this concept....

The video I put up also gives me need to question, as there is obviously something be ing referred to as a potential threat, but each time the speaker mentions it, he says "THAT IS CLASSIFIED" He does mention supreme strength so is he referring to reppies I wonder? it even has their name in the thread title, but what confuses the issue is that some here say that reppies are in another dimension, and therefore not physical?...


Welcome to the yellow brick road :)



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[Carmody]

The body fears unknowns and it must protect itself. Instinct.

In this instinct it demands, right now!... that one either fight or flight, first. This takes precedence, by design, over any form of thought. The body demands a black and white answer, now.

Since the intellect is part of the input output system, it can also involve itself in calming the body so the body can stop interfering in the formation of logic and logical deduction.

Resist the internal demand for emotional manipulation, which operates like a feedback loop.

One must calm the self, so one does not go willy-nilly over a non-existent cliff, driven like a lemming, by the emotional situation that is aroused by all of this.

then..start looking at the evidence, and the data.

It will take you some time.

Well, in my comment of prepare to defend or attack, I suppose I am using the black and white fight or flight response, but where would the information be contained to start the road of discovery into this area? I can only source and comment form that which is on the net, and there is very little information that says what should be done with this concept....

The video I put up also gives me need to question, as there is obviously something be ing referred to as a potential threat, but each time the speaker mentions it, he says "THAT IS CLASSIFIED" He does mention supreme strength so is he referring to reppies I wonder? it even has their name in the thread title, but what confuses the issue is that some here say that reppies are in another dimension, and therefore not physical?...

I cannot do your thinking for you, you must do your own. Anything else would be a fundamental failure on my part.

I must try, to do my best...to bring you unbiased and centered/relevant information.

[1derer]

What I want to know is that if people believe in these creatures as I do UFOs, then what should be done, lets say that for the sake of argument, they really exist...

Now comes the tough bit...

Are they physical, or ethereal, and if so, are they a threat?

So the bottom line for me is do we pledge our allegiance with them, or against them?...

Can anyone who believes in them answer this without leaving it to me, as if left to me, my think is we all join them.

[Calz]

What I want to know is that if people believe in these creatures as I do UFOs, then what should be done, lets say that for the sake of argument, they really exist...

Now comes the tough bit...

Are they physical, or ethereal, and if so, are they a threat?

So the bottom line for me is do we pledge our allegiance with them, or against them?...

Can anyone who believes in them answer this without leaving it to me, as if left to me, my think is we all join them.


Why does it need to be a black and white issue (sounds like the GW "your either with us or against us").

It has been mentioned already on this thread that, certainly as with humans, you cannot try to group "them" into those sorts of categories. Several have expressed experiencing the "energy" as diverse.

[araucaria]

I've not had time to read this thread properly, but I think no one has responded to the video of the French girl with cat's eyes at the start of the thread.

Maybe it's a language problem.

The discussion is about the appalling ostracism she endured as a schoolgirl, and the ostracism that threatened anyone who tried to speak to her. One classmate actually gave her a can of catfood.

Whatever people's stance on reptilians, the acid test, it seems to me, is how they would react in an ordinary interaction with such a person.

[Kristin]

1derer,
Well, that's the point isn't it. The same thing applies to UFO's. We just don't know. However we can collectively pool our experiences and information to help develop a theory on the subject. I have always said, and will stand by it: "Pledge to NO ONE but YOURSELF." It's important to stand on our own two feet and look at things not from an emotional perspective which is reactionary but from an intelligent balanced rational one. There is never any need to loose one's autonomy in any situation. We are all important relevant souls on a journey here. Not one soul is more important then another and every view point needs to be thought through. Often truths are mixed in with fabrications, it's a hard road (yellow brick indeed!). But it was that spark in you that wanted to KNOW that lead you here to ask...

I say be sovereign to yourself, speak only the truth that you KNOW, and create a space that allows for the flow of information to not be interrupted but has earnest questions asked to try to help distinguish what your truth is... Keeping in mind that your individual truth is a valid and important place and need not match with everything else in one solid definition. We are after all unique and so our perspective will be different depending on the experience and vantage point of each individual.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

[1derer]

Wise words wormhole, you truly are a law unto yourslef, and no doubt the better for it :)

[1derer]

I've not had time to read this thread properly, but I think no one has responded to the video of the French girl with cat's eyes at the start of the thread.

Maybe it's a language problem.

The discussion is about the appalling ostracism she endured as a schoolgirl, and the ostracism that threatened anyone who tried to speak to her. One classmate actually gave her a can of catfood.

Whatever people's stance on reptilians, the acid test, it seems to me, is how they would react in an ordinary interaction with such a person.


Oui Oui mon Ami, I agree!

Even if she was a real bonafide reptilian, why can;t we live alongside them? If they are such a highly advanced intelligent race that has been around since ancient times, then they havent eaten us yet have they?

Perhaps we should consider tolerance and diversity and embrace our fellow manreps?

Also I think that the girl has had a lot of problems just because she looks different, and again, the reptilian side of the human comes into play, as she has been rejected just because she does not fit in to the accepted norm as dictated by a bunch of people who say what is the norm.

I just think it is a problem with her pupils or something, but would you look at the way she is attacked on the toobs as being a REPTILIAN, just because she licks her lips and has cats eyes which to me are quite beautiful as is her personality?

[Kristin]

There is an eye mutation that is caused genetically, very rare. http://www.science20.com/science_motherhood/coloboma_humans_cat_eyes A girl in my high school had it and I met another man in Canada with the same thing. Both of these people had eyes that looked "Reptilian" for lack of a better term. They both had a hard time growing up. Neither one of these people were reptilians, LOL I guarantee it!

Now as to the Reptilians, I have to agree that they are trans dimensional from my experience.

[araucaria]

Just by the way, a cat is a mammal, not a reptilian! :)

[Ron Mauer Sr]

So I found this video on the toobs, and wondered what the reppy fans think of it?

Kur36SWZhsA

Is the 'classssifed' refering to robby the reppy or some other nefarious evil mind controlloing animal that somewhat resembles a reppy but is not a reppy?

Also, what is the agenda of the reppies? Human Babacued ribs, or total slave control and then a barbie?

By all accounts the video is a hoax & product of onion....http://www.youtube.com/user/TheOnion?blend=1&ob=4

Notice that the chair behind the speaker disappears on the long shot. Someone is splicing videos together. A hoax IMHO.

[1derer]

So I found this video on the toobs, and wondered what the reppy fans think of it?

Kur36SWZhsA

Is the 'classssifed' refering to robby the reppy or some other nefarious evil mind controlloing animal that somewhat resembles a reppy but is not a reppy?

Also, what is the agenda of the reppies? Human Babacued ribs, or total slave control and then a barbie?

By all accounts the video is a hoax & product of onion....http://www.youtube.com/user/TheOnion?blend=1&ob=4

Notice that the chair behind the speaker disappears on the long shot.

Talk about eye for detail...you dont have non reptilian cats eyes as well do you?

[lightning23]

:closed::closed:

[Gardener]

Reptillians certainly excercised my view of the world for some time when I first came accross it, but I was prepared to file it on the shelf under pending further investigation. I understand your reticence 1derer to just take as read; clearly you are entertaining the possiblity, and dissenting opinion or humour is a sign that you actually do want to know what its all about.

My very first conscious introduction to the reptillian concept was via David Icke and I really struggled with it, I liked David and I have to admit to feeling very embarrassed for him when this shape shifting stuff came out. I am still there to some degree with that aspect, because imho it is a convenient smoke screen (and point of ridicule) for something far deeper.

Over the years I have had no more definite proof of the existence of these pointy nose guys, but I know in my bones they exist hyperdimesionally with an ability to drop into 3D temporarily in the right circumstances (see Carmody and major energetic lines I think). From my own experience these lines exist, both on a global scale and a local scale, I have been caught up in one local one, as have several other people I know over time, going back more than fifty years from personal reports.

Anyway, getting back to the reptillians being only one part of a much bigger picture, and definitly not at the top, I finally came to this tube video which resonates with how I think about this whole thing now after looking at a lot of opinions, books, interviews and what-not over a long period of time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Zf7scVDQ1g&feature=relmfu

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[Calz]

Since the copyright owner of "here ya go nugget" is banished to another realm ... I must step in as a service oriented member

:juggle::whistle:


6Zf7scVDQ1g

[1derer]

Reptillians certainly excercised my view of the world for some time when I first came accross it, but I was prepared to file it on the shelf under pending further investigation. I understand your reticence 1derer to just take as read; clearly you are entertaining the possiblity, and dissenting opinion or humour is a sign that you actually do want to know what its all about.

My very first conscious introduction to the reptillian concept was via David Icke and I really struggled with it, I liked David and I have to admit to feeling very embarrassed for him when this shape shifting stuff came out. I am still there to some degree with that aspect, because imho it is a convenient smoke screen (and point of ridicule) for something far deeper.

Over the years I have had no more definite proof of the existence of these pointy nose guys, but I know in my bones they exist hyperdimesionally with an ability to drop into 3D temporarily in the right circumstances (see Carmody and major energetic lines I think). From my own experience these lines exist, both on a global scale and a local scale, I have been caught up in one local one, as have several other people I know over time, going back more than fifty years from personal reports.

Anyway, getting back to the reptillians being only one part of a much bigger picture, and definitly not at the top, I finally came to this tube video which resonates with how I think about this whole thing now after looking at a lot of opinions, books, interviews and what-not over a long period of time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Zf7scVDQ1g&feature=relmfu

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Gardener, thanks for your insight, here is the vid embeded, press youtube and not url next time ;)

6Zf7scVDQ1g

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But we are all reptilians.

Indeed, and some show it more than others ;)

[Calz]

Well ... Paul has documentation out there.

Short version is look for the "V=" and everything to the right of that select and *THEN* click the "youtube" icon.

Anything to the left (and including v=) can be deleted.

[Gardener]

Thankyou guys for embed info I will do it that way in future
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[StephenW11UK]

Hi Iderer, I fully agree that in not being sceptical in all our personal research we are doing ourselves a disservice.

At the same time, though, it is only quite rarely IMO that we will have anything like certainty about anything we're looking into, even when our information is coming from someone with a scientific background, for that researcher will be building up a theory, based on his scientific research, for us to consider, not a proof.

So, mostly what I end up with is just a greater or lesser likelihood of something being true - no certainty.

An example:chakras, something I have little interest in and no talent for delving into. But a couple of years ago, after having read and re-read the account of a psychiatrist who got to hear of a number of Americam medics who had discovered and were quietly making use of these energy centres in their work with patients, I decided that the only sensible thing for me to do was to accept that it was highly likely that chakras do exist (as Easterners have claimed for centuries).

Now back to David Icke. He has said many times that when he first began looking into the reptilian question he was as disinclined to believe it as any of us
have been. It was only as many individuals from different countries came up to him and told him of their having, in a nomal waking state, seen another person take on the features of a reptilian that he started to take the idea seriously.

For me, a large number of hear-say/anecdotal accounts of something strange that is said to be going on is a nudge to look further into it - sceptically.

And, finally, a quote not unrelated to this whole question of uncertainty, from Adyashanti:

The door to freedom is the insecurity of not knowing anything. Bear the grace of that insecurity and all wisdom will be yours.

[Unified Serenity]

Ok, I'm only on page 2 of comments, but I have to add here, that there was a time that anyone who suggested there was an unseen world that was attacking us daily and making us sick was called a nutjob. People developed strange diseases after a simple surgery or injury. Someone said, "There is an unseen enemy attacking you" and they were attacked for saying such things, then we found out through science that bacteria are real, we just did not have the means or did not take the time to look for them and learn to wash with clean water, use soap more often, and change our surgical methods.

vgn-mfFwjR4


So some are believers in these other entities existing and others say, "NO WAY!" I can tell you from personal experience there are very real unseen entities who can when they choose make themselves visible in our eyes. That astral is teaming with life on many levels. Depending on your energy level you will attract different entities for various reasons. I see things in a color spectrum in astral. It's not like looking at this 3d world. It's a knowing of my environment and extreme sensitivity to what is around me. I used to get sent there a lot to do one thing or another and it taught me a lot about what has power there and what does not. I have never seen a Reptilian in 3d, but I have seen other things positive and negative in their energy. We have a long way to go to understand what is out there that we just haven't developed the right tools to prove yet.

[1derer]

Ok, I'm only on page 2 of comments, but I have to add here, that there was a time that anyone who suggested there was an unseen world that was attacking us daily and making us sick was called a nutjob. People developed strange diseases after a simple surgery or injury. Someone said, "There is an unseen enemy attacking you" and they were attacked for saying such things, then we found out through science that bacteria are real, we just did not have the means or did not take the time to look for them and learn to wash with clean water, use soap more often, and change our surgical methods.

vgn-mfFwjR4


So some are believers in these other entities existing and others say, "NO WAY!" I can tell you from personal experience there are very real unseen entities who can when they choose make themselves visible in our eyes. That astral is teaming with life on many levels. Depending on your energy level you will attract different entities for various reasons. I see things in a color spectrum in astral. It's not like looking at this 3d world. It's a knowing of my environment and extreme sensitivity to what is around me. I used to get sent there a lot to do one thing or another and it taught me a lot about what has power there and what does not. I have never seen a Reptilian in 3d, but I have seen other things positive and negative in their energy. We have a long way to go to understand what is out there that we just haven't developed the right tools to prove yet.

Isnt that similar to what Inelia was saying in that she also went into the astral to help a really bad person in a mansion set himself free by taking the light?

Am I to understand then that there are some who can see the astral and the majority (like myself), that can't? Does that mean that the likes of me are not going to be harrassed by unseen entities, because maybe you guys that have that gift are more susceptible to damage, or are we all being attacked?

[1derer]

Hi Iderer, I fully agree that in not being sceptical in all our personal research we are doing ourselves a disservice.

At the same time, though, it is only quite rarely IMO that we will have anything like certainty about anything we're looking into, even when our information is coming from someone with a scientific background, for that researcher will be building up a theory, based on his scientific research, for us to consider, not a proof.

So, mostly what I end up with is just a greater or lesser likelihood of something being true - no certainty.

An example:chakras, something I have little interest in and no talent for delving into. But a couple of years ago, after having read and re-read the account of a psychiatrist who got to hear of a number of Americam medics who had discovered and were quietly making use of these energy centres in their work with patients, I decided that the only sensible thing for me to do was to accept that it was highly likely that chakras do exist (as Easterners have claimed for centuries).

Now back to David Icke. He has said many times that when he first began looking into the reptilian question he was as disinclined to believe it as any of us
have been. It was only as many individuals from different countries came up to him and told him of their having, in a nomal waking state, seen another person take on the features of a reptilian that he started to take the idea seriously.

For me, a large number of hear-say/anecdotal accounts of something strange that is said to be going on is a nudge to look further into it - sceptically.

And, finally, a quote not unrelated to this whole question of uncertainty, from Adyashanti:

The door to freedom is the insecurity of not knowing anything. Bear the grace of that insecurity and all wisdom will be yours.

Agreed Stephen, I think I am beginning to understand that there might be things that are out there, but I cannot shake the skeptic out of me...today's comments and contributions however, have made me consider that I need to be more open to these things, but not to accept point blank the blind faith others have in this belief. So I thank you all for this.

I also do not like to hear people say that the Queen, or other people are reptillians because this is to me a pure insult to my thinking and denigrating to the perosn being attacked, though I prefer to think that there might be things more tangible like people who are satanists and do bad stuff, though I still do not see the Queen being involved in this, and I wish that people give the benefit of the doubt rather than think thatit is true just because someone else famous says so!

[ViralSpiral]

Am I to understand then that there are some who can see the astral and the majority (like myself), that can't? Does that mean that the likes of me are not going to be harrassed by unseen entities, because maybe you guys that have that gift are more susceptible to damage, or are we all being attacked?

Back to one dimensional questions/answers? ,-)

I can only copy/paste this important message:




Why does it need to be a black and white issue (sounds like the GW "your either with us or against us").

It has been mentioned already on this thread that, certainly as with humans, you cannot try to group "them" into those sorts of categories. Several have expressed experiencing the "energy" as diverse.


There are things known and there are things unknown, and in between are the doors of perception- Aldous Huxley

keep going...

[Unified Serenity]

Ok, I'm only on page 2 of comments, but I have to add here, that there was a time that anyone who suggested there was an unseen world that was attacking us daily and making us sick was called a nutjob. People developed strange diseases after a simple surgery or injury. Someone said, "There is an unseen enemy attacking you" and they were attacked for saying such things, then we found out through science that bacteria are real, we just did not have the means or did not take the time to look for them and learn to wash with clean water, use soap more often, and change our surgical methods.

vgn-mfFwjR4


So some are believers in these other entities existing and others say, "NO WAY!" I can tell you from personal experience there are very real unseen entities who can when they choose make themselves visible in our eyes. That astral is teaming with life on many levels. Depending on your energy level you will attract different entities for various reasons. I see things in a color spectrum in astral. It's not like looking at this 3d world. It's a knowing of my environment and extreme sensitivity to what is around me. I used to get sent there a lot to do one thing or another and it taught me a lot about what has power there and what does not. I have never seen a Reptilian in 3d, but I have seen other things positive and negative in their energy. We have a long way to go to understand what is out there that we just haven't developed the right tools to prove yet.

Isnt that similar to what Inelia was saying in that she also went into the astral to help a really bad person in a mansion set himself free by taking the light?

Am I to understand then that there are some who can see the astral and the majority (like myself), that can't? Does that mean that the likes of me are not going to be harrassed by unseen entities, because maybe you guys that have that gift are more susceptible to damage, or are we all being attacked?

Being aware of that side has it's plus and minus side. Not being aware likewise has it's plus and minus side. Everything is energy and energy attracts and repels whether by intention or just reactions. People pick up "visitors" all the time who attach themselves to the unaware. Most often is it for energy consumption. Ever notice how just being around some people creates it's own havoc in your life without anything overtly going on between you? There are a lot of beings who live off of negative energy and thus by emitting it we react to it, and it becomes cyclical. This is why energy clearing is so important. When I owned my spa and did energetic healing or massage, I always began with a clearing exercise personally for me and finished with one.

This is a really deep subject that I can go into a lot of details and at this time choose not to for several reasons. I don't want to alarm anyone of a boogey man behind everything happening in someone's life. Sometimes we need to learn lessons that only come about by trials and tribulations. We actually want these things and invite them. When we have learned our lesson we let it go and these things stop happening. Likewise, if you are sensitive to energy forms you can also avoid attaching to negative energies, and that is a choice by living in the present moment, something few people ever learn to do. We are preoccupied with the past and future. This is why meditations on your spiritual garden are vital and a big step in taking control of one's own path. Intention is everything. Taking ownership of our actions is key, and healing one another quickly is key. If you are offended recognize it, look within for your own participation and ask forgiveness, and likewise forgive others quickly. Much of what happens is not from spoken or outward actions, but intentions of the heart.

Energy is real, our power is very real, and we affect one another, our world, and the unseen world immensely.

[1derer]

Just finished watching the Chris Thomas video on Velons, so much information, but now I want to know how to access the Akashik database!

Anyone know how it is done? He never mentioned the reppies in that vid either!

[1derer]

Am I to understand then that there are some who can see the astral and the majority (like myself), that can't? Does that mean that the likes of me are not going to be harrassed by unseen entities, because maybe you guys that have that gift are more susceptible to damage, or are we all being attacked?

Back to one dimensional questions/answers? ,-)

I can only copy/paste this important message:




Why does it need to be a black and white issue (sounds like the GW "your either with us or against us").

It has been mentioned already on this thread that, certainly as with humans, you cannot try to group "them" into those sorts of categories. Several have expressed experiencing the "energy" as diverse.


There are things known and there are things unknown, and in between are the doors of perception- Aldous Huxley

keep going...

Viral spiral, it is only black and white, the grey is what you make of it.

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Energy is real, our power is very real, and we affect one another, our world, and the unseen world immensely.

I only work towards one thing and that is the truth and the light. I acknowledge the darkside but refuse to be a part of it...for me it is that simple, and not something that comes from my life here thus far, it comes from millions of years of knowledge through my soul.

[grapevine]

wow, i can certainly relate to the attack on the cerebellum DNA. reading that gave me the shivers.

i have, since childhood, had a recurring experience - though it hasn't occurred for some time now. it happens usually while laying down to sleep. there is this sensation that i'm being dragged into what i can only describe as a dream-state, though i know it's something far more sinister than that. and i fight like hell to regain consciousness. this battle takes a massive effort, and each time i feel exceedingly fortunate to have snapped out of it.

it always occurs in the same spot too - the area right where my spine meets my skull. i feel like i'm being dragged into some black hole located right in this area. this seems to be the battleground.

Hi Chinaski - if you would just relax at this point you would find yourself leaving your body. I know it feels scary but .... just try.

PS: See you on the astral - but let's not visit the 4th!!

[1derer]

wow, i can certainly relate to the attack on the cerebellum DNA. reading that gave me the shivers.

i have, since childhood, had a recurring experience - though it hasn't occurred for some time now. it happens usually while laying down to sleep. there is this sensation that i'm being dragged into what i can only describe as a dream-state, though i know it's something far more sinister than that. and i fight like hell to regain consciousness. this battle takes a massive effort, and each time i feel exceedingly fortunate to have snapped out of it.

it always occurs in the same spot too - the area right where my spine meets my skull. i feel like i'm being dragged into some black hole located right in this area. this seems to be the battleground.

Hi Chinaski - if you would just relax at this point you would find yourself leaving your body. I know it feels scary but .... just try.

PS: See you on the astral - but let's not visit the 4th!!

In your understanding w1ndmill, is this also known as the state of sleep paralysis?

[araucaria]

Very interesting Chris Thomas video - thanks!

[Mike]

wow, i can certainly relate to the attack on the cerebellum DNA. reading that gave me the shivers.

i have, since childhood, had a recurring experience - though it hasn't occurred for some time now. it happens usually while laying down to sleep. there is this sensation that i'm being dragged into what i can only describe as a dream-state, though i know it's something far more sinister than that. and i fight like hell to regain consciousness. this battle takes a massive effort, and each time i feel exceedingly fortunate to have snapped out of it.

it always occurs in the same spot too - the area right where my spine meets my skull. i feel like i'm being dragged into some black hole located right in this area. this seems to be the battleground.

Hi Chinaski - if you would just relax at this point you would find yourself leaving your body. I know it feels scary but .... just try.

PS: See you on the astral - but let's not visit the 4th!!

hi Windmill,

i've suspected this to be true. maybe i just need to develop some spiritual cajones;)

definititely hope to see you on the astral - just promise that if you see me floundering out there you'll throw me a rope!

[grapevine]

we will link arms and go wherever you want .... but not the 4th! :) - my name's not Ripley!

[Mike]

we will link arms and go wherever you want .... but not the 4th! :) - my name's not Ripley! x


everyone on '3'! 1...2...3: "NOT THE 4TH!"

you don't have to convince me;)

[grapevine]

In your understanding w1ndmill, is this also known as the state of sleep paralysis?

Yes, if you (try and) fight it 1nderer . . . but try not to and relax instead . . .

[transiten]

But we are all reptilians.

Yes indeed! I'm Liliane the reptilian....

[161803398]

Ahhhhhhhhh ... so that is the explanation for why comedians can say so many true things and make people laugh and not get in trouble for it. Thank you.

That is one reason why that scene from the movie "V for Vendetta" was so shocking. The heroine's brother makes a comedy routine about the leader who is playing big brother and gets killed for it. No one would have expected that. The message there would be that this leader did not have access to his upper brain or did not have one ie. he is total reptilian.

[aranuk]

The location I found, I had sent to Bill, about half a year back or more. So he could pass that along to Jordan, if he desired to do so.

I never investigated the ley line termination points ....and that resulted in my involvement in this thread... and subsequent further discovery of termination points, this particular day, today. Those termination points seem to support all prior evidence and considerations...in that something of substance is involved in the 'reptilian' premise.

I'm curiuos, would you be able to do a ley line diagnosis of the East Portion of the Arizona Superstition Mountains in Apache Junction?

This has been an area of high strangeness for as long people have been here.

It's name is a result of all the superstitions native peoples have had concerning it, further many people feel it is a portal zone of sorts. There is also strong suspicion that it contains an underground base of some kind, possibly alien and many folks think reptilian.

I would be willing to do it myself if you could PM me some brief instructions.

Thanks

Apache Junction has a ley line that runs right through it.

that particular ley line also goes through that suspected camping point in Colorado, which is part of the topic of this thread.

Which goes into northern Scotland.


Obtain google earth

http://www.google.com/earth/index.html

Obtain the 'kmz' file for the ley lines, from vortex maps:

http://www.vortexmaps.com/hagens-grid-google.php

The line itself runs on the west side of 'four peaks' proper, by about 3000 ft., this...down from the location of the suspected camping area /3x ley line cross point.

On a standard map, draw a straight line (In Apache Junction) from the intersection of S ironwood dr and superstition, to a point about 2000 ft west of the main peak of four peaks, and that is pretty close to the given energy/ley line.

Carmody can you direct me to a map of that leyline on Scotland please.

Stan

[161803398]

Poets and artists can also say the truth for the same reason that court jesters can but, also, add to that that the powers that be are usually too dumb (ie. poor use of upper brain) to get the message:

Truth tellers can be risking their lives or reputations if they write in prose or the other thing that can happen is they get the "crazy" label.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dipFMJckZOM

...."how you suffered for your sanity and how you tried to set them free"

[modwiz]

I am happy to opine that the ruling elite are very out of touch and probably all fairly to extremely insane as well as incompetent. We are at Roman Empire moment in history except we have a global empire this time. The biggest problem now is the population at large is almost as insane and incompetent. Things are quite a mess. The great organic awakening still seems a difficult scenario.

So did bringing the Ring to Mordor. We need some hobbits I guess. Anybody seen one? :confused:

[ThePythonicCow]

Well ... Paul has documentation out there.

Short version is look for the "V=" and everything to the right of that select and *THEN* click the "youtube" icon.

Anything to the left (and including v=) can be deleted.
I need to update that document Youtube videos (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13076-How-to-embed-Youtube-videos&p=117968&viewfull=1#post117968). A few months ago, Ilie improved the server software that parses the YOUTUBE macro. Now you can just paste in the entire URL of the Youtube video and the server will extract the needed 11 digit code. Example, posting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH1rB-Ya2UQ will result in this showing:

HH1rB-Ya2UQ
You don't have to get the entire URL right, just enough that the server software can find the needed 11 digit code reliably.

[Carmody]

The location I found, I had sent to Bill, about half a year back or more. So he could pass that along to Jordan, if he desired to do so.

I never investigated the ley line termination points ....and that resulted in my involvement in this thread... and subsequent further discovery of termination points, this particular day, today. Those termination points seem to support all prior evidence and considerations...in that something of substance is involved in the 'reptilian' premise.

I'm curiuos, would you be able to do a ley line diagnosis of the East Portion of the Arizona Superstition Mountains in Apache Junction?

This has been an area of high strangeness for as long people have been here.

It's name is a result of all the superstitions native peoples have had concerning it, further many people feel it is a portal zone of sorts. There is also strong suspicion that it contains an underground base of some kind, possibly alien and many folks think reptilian.

I would be willing to do it myself if you could PM me some brief instructions.

Thanks

Apache Junction has a ley line that runs right through it.

that particular ley line also goes through that suspected camping point in Colorado, which is part of the topic of this thread.

Which goes into northern Scotland.


Obtain google earth

http://www.google.com/earth/index.html

Obtain the 'kmz' file for the ley lines, from vortex maps:

http://www.vortexmaps.com/hagens-grid-google.php

The line itself runs on the west side of 'four peaks' proper, by about 3000 ft., this...down from the location of the suspected camping area /3x ley line cross point.

On a standard map, draw a straight line (In Apache Junction) from the intersection of S ironwood dr and superstition, to a point about 2000 ft west of the main peak of four peaks, and that is pretty close to the given energy/ley line.

Carmody can you direct me to a map of that leyline on Scotland please.

Stan

there you go. it is the green line coming in from the left side.

UVG 11 is in northern Scotland. A major point of connection for many of the different vibrational modes. Many other locations are as well, this one just happens to be numbered 11. The Becker-hagens crew did that (numbering), I don't think it is purposeful.

The UK is an active region, many lines end up running through various areas of the UK, due to the nexus point being in the North of Scotland.

[Cartomancer]

David Icke is a gifted speaker and a tireless champion of the people. He has this rare place of being able to say some outrageous and hard to believe things while still getting his message across to people who don't necessarily buy the entire package. There is a hilarious clip of Alex Jones saying "I love this guy but the reptilian thing is like turd in the punch bowl." A nice Texas way of saying things. They are now the best of friends and David is on the show all of the time.

His theories about reptilians are hard to swallow. If you take the time to listen you can at least understand why he believes this. Clearly at least the symbols of the group of people he points out is serpentine and reptilian all they way.

[Carmody]

When one considers the velociraptor and its mobility and seeming intelligence, coupled with the fact dinosaurs were warm blooded and nor exactly the same as modern reptiles you can come up with intriguing musings. Even if they are not the correst story they do have some parallel validity in the way this Universe unfolds.

That is a whole other discussion that Carmody would be perfect for joining into.

Just like humans have pets, so did the Repitilians...

A really fun exploration of that in the world of Sci-Fi is:

West Of Eden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_of_Eden)

From the Link:

In the parallel universe of this novel, Earth was not struck by an asteroid 65 million years before the present. Consequently, the Cretaceous–Tertiary extinction event which wiped out the dinosaurs and other reptiles never happened, leaving the way clear for an intelligent species to eventually evolve from the mosasaur, a species of reptile related to the modern monitor lizards. This relationship would mean that the intelligent species are not dinosaurs but lizard-people.

The lizard-people are known as the Yilané, and are the dominant life form on most of the planet. However, during the evolutionary process, the species became non-viable on the two American continents, leaving them free of Yilané for millions of years and opening an ecological niche for a top predator. A human-like species, the Tanu, evolved to fill the niche in North America, but are only found on that continent. By the time the novel begins, the humanoids have reached a late stone age level of technology and culture, with a number of societies having developed farming skills.

The Yilané, having had millions of years of civilization, have a very advanced society primarily based on a mastery of the biological sciences, especially genetic engineering, so much so that almost every tool and artifact they use is a modified lifeform. Their boats were originally squids, their submarines are enhanced ichthyosaurs (here called uruketos), and their guns are evolved monitor lizards which eject projectiles using pressurised gas.

The story continues in two sequels, Winter in Eden and Return to Eden.

The title is a play on East of Eden, the John Steinbeck novel about social injustice, whose title is itself a play on the concept of the Cain's flight East of Eden after murdering his brother Abel. He departs to the Land of Nod.

The title can also be seen as a reference to the Book of Genesis. Adam and Eve are driven east out of the Garden of Eden. Being "west of eden" then, is a reference to the counterhistorical premise of the novel.

[Mark]

We are on the beach, we are the turtles, they are the seagulls.

Or something like that.

As good an analogy as any I`ve ever seen. Another difficult one. It took a few months with Laura KJ and the Cassiopaeans for me to get to the point where I was willing to consider the implications. Even after years of reading Casteneda and being exposed to Don Juan`s Toltec form of warriorship and its sheer hardcore nature. Controlled folly, indeed. Carmondy, reading your posts through this thread has left me with a lot of respect for you and your work. Thank you so much for sharing some of this information. I am a Geographic information systems (GIS) analyst and have been considering doing some mapping work on some of this. That google earth stuff was just fantastic. Good lookin`out.



Hi Rahkyt

Thanks for your links. If you have not already read this post by Buckminster Fuller, it may be of interest to you.


Discernment, as always.......

p.s. thanks for the interesting thread/posts

You are appreciated, VS, thank you as well for the link, I will read it, as I`m always looking for more information on these topics. I will be finishing the trilogy of articles on the Chrono-Dyno Civilization, I think, in the next few days. It has languished long enough and this thread, actually, has given me the impetus to go ahead and address the control system directly.


That is one reason why that scene from the movie "V for Vendetta" was so shocking. The heroine's brother makes a comedy routine about the leader who is playing big brother and gets killed for it. No one would have expected that. The message there would be that this leader did not have access to his upper brain or did not have one ie. he is total reptilian.

I`ve seen that movie twice and never thought of him as reptilian but yes, he does fit the modus operandi, cold blooded psychopath. Thanks for the perspective shift! :)

[Carmody]

We are on the beach, we are the turtles, they are the seagulls.

Or something like that.

As good an analogy as any I`ve ever seen. Another difficult one. It took a few months with Laura KJ and the Cassiopaeans for me to get to the point where I was willing to consider the implications. Even after years of reading Casteneda and being exposed to Don Juan`s Toltec form of warriorship and its sheer hardcore nature. Controlled folly, indeed. Carmondy, reading your posts through this thread has left me with a lot of respect for you and your work. Thank you so much for sharing some of this information. I am a Geographic information systems (GIS) analyst and have been considering doing some mapping work on some of this. That google earth stuff was just fantastic. Good lookin`out.



Hi Rahkyt

Thanks for your links. If you have not already read this post by Buckminster Fuller, it may be of interest to you.


Discernment, as always.......

p.s. thanks for the interesting thread/posts

You are appreciated, VS, thank you as well for the link, I will read it, as I`m always looking for more information on these topics. I will be finishing the trilogy of articles on the Chrono-Dyno Civilization, I think, in the next few days. It has languished long enough and this thread, actually, has given me the impetus to go ahead and address the control system directly.


That is one reason why that scene from the movie "V for Vendetta" was so shocking. The heroine's brother makes a comedy routine about the leader who is playing big brother and gets killed for it. No one would have expected that. The message there would be that this leader did not have access to his upper brain or did not have one ie. he is total reptilian.

I`ve seen that movie twice and never thought of him as reptilian but yes, he does fit the modus operandi, cold blooded psychopath. Thanks for the perspective shift! :)


Find the raw or full data files for a 'kmz' overlay for google earth..of the magnetic anomaly maps, and then the new sat maps of the anomalies.

http://models.geomag.us/wdmam.html

then the gravity maps of the globe...as a kmz file...

http://www.csr.utexas.edu/grace/

When you add them up with the becker-hagens grid maps 'kmz' file..it gets freaky.

I can tell you that with that triple/quadruple overlay, I can predict resources finds quite easily. I can double the accuracy again... by adding one more bit of data...

Which is why, I suspect...that they are starting to make those magnetic anomaly quality data maps difficult to find. I had one from one of the us universities, but it now fails to work properly.

[Mark]

I can tell you that with that triple/quadruple overlay, I can predict resources finds quite easily. I can double the accuracy again... by adding one more bit of data...

Which is why, I suspect...that they are starting to make those magnetic anomaly quality data maps difficult to find. I had one from one of the us universities, but it now fails to work properly.

We can work on that. Gonna hit you up back channel about a few things.

[modwiz]

each frequency creates and is involved in a specific set of ley lines that describe the given (geometric) 'shape'. (platonic solids) cross points are points of mutual stressing where the harmonics meet and create dimensional crossing points via the additive harmonics. They accelerate the dimensional aspects of what we call 'ordinary' matter, thus prying the opening within each particle to a larger size and polarizing it into specific portal angle or direction, for a given dimensional aspect.

In order to incorporate the largest number of series of harmonics, a fundamental frequency...has to be..at the LOWEST frequency possible. The center mass point of the surface of the globe is indeed at the great pyramid's location. It has the lowest frequency fundamental,and thus all harmonics possible MUST be centered on that point.

When you take multiple non-perfect harmonics and add them together in vibrational and or electrostatic function, you get freak wave peaks of immense acceleration. See the works of Nikolai Kozyrev on that aspect.

Thus the same aspects of defeating light speed. Additive harmonics work just fine.



I am aware of the planetary merkaba with the inverted tetrahedrons describing specific lines of 'influence'. Do you know if the other platonic solids, set into our planetary sphere, are another subset of energy alternative lines with unique/different influences to tap into, possibly resulting in master points where two or more of the platonic solids meet on the surface, or elsewhere, of the Earth?

Non-perfect harmonics would appear to be present in five of the nine Solfeggio frequencies. They end in odd numbers which would give fractionated frequencies, when divided, as far as whole numbers would be concerned. I listened to them in relationship to each other and the result was not pleasant but discordant. Devils music to my ears.

Are these frequencies, or relationships like them, related to what you are referring to here?

[Unified Serenity]

each frequency creates and is involved in a specific set of ley lines that describe the given (geometric) 'shape'. (platonic solids) cross points are points of mutual stressing where the harmonics meet and create dimensional crossing points via the additive harmonics. They accelerate the dimensional aspects of what we call 'ordinary' matter, thus prying the opening within each particle to a larger size and polarizing it into specific portal angle or direction, for a given dimensional aspect.

In order to incorporate the largest number of series of harmonics, a fundamental frequency...has to be..at the LOWEST frequency possible. The center mass point of the surface of the globe is indeed at the great pyramid's location. It has the lowest frequency fundamental,and thus all harmonics possible MUST be centered on that point.

When you take multiple non-perfect harmonics and add them together in vibrational and or electrostatic function, you get freak wave peaks of immense acceleration. See the works of Nikolai Kozyrev on that aspect.

Thus the same aspects of defeating light speed. Additive harmonics work just fine.



I am aware of the planetary merkaba with the inverted tetrahedrons describing specific lines of 'influence'. Do you know if the other platonic solids, set into our planetary sphere, are another subset of energy alternative lines with unique/different influences to tap into, possibly resulting in master points where two or more of the platonic solids meet on the surface, or elsewhere, of the Earth?

Non-perfect harmonics would appear to be present in five of the nine Solfeggio frequencies. They end in odd numbers which would give fractionated frequencies, when divided, as far as whole numbers would be concerned. I listened to them in relationship to each other and the result was not pleasant but discordant. Devils music to my ears.

Are these frequencies, or relationships like them, related to what you are referring to here?

This is interesting. Do these get used in certain popular forms of music?

Thank you

[TargeT]

I listened to them in relationship to each other and the result was not pleasant but discordant. Devils music to my ears.


I've noticed with self orginizing patterns sometimes you need to adjust the speed to get them to "snap" into structured appearance; I don't know if this is applicable with sound but I wouldn't be suprized if it is.

[modwiz]

each frequency creates and is involved in a specific set of ley lines that describe the given (geometric) 'shape'. (platonic solids) cross points are points of mutual stressing where the harmonics meet and create dimensional crossing points via the additive harmonics. They accelerate the dimensional aspects of what we call 'ordinary' matter, thus prying the opening within each particle to a larger size and polarizing it into specific portal angle or direction, for a given dimensional aspect.

In order to incorporate the largest number of series of harmonics, a fundamental frequency...has to be..at the LOWEST frequency possible. The center mass point of the surface of the globe is indeed at the great pyramid's location. It has the lowest frequency fundamental,and thus all harmonics possible MUST be centered on that point.

When you take multiple non-perfect harmonics and add them together in vibrational and or electrostatic function, you get freak wave peaks of immense acceleration. See the works of Nikolai Kozyrev on that aspect.

Thus the same aspects of defeating light speed. Additive harmonics work just fine.



I am aware of the planetary merkaba with the inverted tetrahedrons describing specific lines of 'influence'. Do you know if the other platonic solids, set into our planetary sphere, are another subset of energy alternative lines with unique/different influences to tap into, possibly resulting in master points where two or more of the platonic solids meet on the surface, or elsewhere, of the Earth?

Non-perfect harmonics would appear to be present in five of the nine Solfeggio frequencies. They end in odd numbers which would give fractionated frequencies, when divided, as far as whole numbers would be concerned. I listened to them in relationship to each other and the result was not pleasant but discordant. Devils music to my ears.

Are these frequencies, or relationships like them, related to what you are referring to here?

This is interesting. Do these get used in certain popular forms of music?

Thank you

There was some stuff about them being used in the original Gregorian Chants. I do not see how these note relationships would be used in anything beside a satanic ritual. You tube has many videos. One jsut ran the frquencies in a do-re-mi-fa fashion and the sound was ugly.

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I listened to them in relationship to each other and the result was not pleasant but discordant. Devils music to my ears.


I've noticed with self orginizing patterns sometimes you need to adjust the speed to get them to "snap" into structured appearance; I don't know if this is applicable with sound but I wouldn't be suprized if it is.

It was the relationships between the notes. As a group they do not harmonize. Like having more than one Melkor* in the group. If you play every note ina typical major or minor scale together there will be no unpleasant notes. This is the basis of my critique.

*(Melkor was the being who sang a discordant note in the song of Creation according to the Silmarillion. This was a Genesis type story in the works of JRR Tolkien.)

[1derer]

Further investigation reveals this video...

Fear No1...

0gTXgglrnao

[truth4me]

When I first started awakening I hadn't really studied the Reptilian stuff but one night as I laid down and closed my eyes out of the darkness a grey alien face appeared. It scared the crap out of me.

Now the next time it happened along with the grey alien face a reptilian face appeared behind the grey.

Then a reptilian face started appearing by itself.


I seen some pretty strange looking beings in the astral plane also.


I personally believe the Reptilians are real and are linked to the elite and do believe they are connected to the royal family in England. So yes I believe David Icke is on target with his reptilian information and as always this IMHO only......

[TargeT]

Hmm, lately when I lay down and close my eyes I get two distinct huminoid outlines in my "view" (eyes closed...) kind of a contrast of light grey on black velvet.. almost always two, to my left and right leaning over my chest area ( slightly lower than my head) but still about 3 feet above me.

I brush this off as visual residue from ... something.. or retnal issues... I hope I'm not being syphoned dry like a capri sun juice pack.. but maybe I am.. I can't really tie this into reptilians (though maybe thats what it is?) but the post above me made me think of this immediately..

& I'm one of those heavily skeptical types.. I've never had anything "esoteric" happen to me, no OOB experience, nothing.

[Rantaak]

To be sure there are plenty of paths to follow to explain "reality".

Interesting study here regarding the effect of DMT.
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Excellent book. I would like to share some personal observations. Due to the nature of the study, the experiences people had while under the influence of DMT were limited. As shamans have used this neurotransmitter in ayahuasca brews for thousands of years, they have applied a much more sacred and ritualistic approach to imbibing it. Mental schema, mind-set and physical setting all play a role in the nature of the journey that is experienced while using these substances. One particularly horrifying result written about by Mr. Strassman in this book involves a vision that one of his test subjects had, who was a fear-denying light-sider and had eaten a bunch of meat prior to the experiment, involved being raped by vicious crocodiles. Another person started seizing during their journey and saw Mr. Strassman and his assistant in an entirely different way. The doctor had taken on a more mechanical appearance, resembling a cold-emotionless android who was allowing a bunch of test subjects to board an alien ship for unscheduled examinations. His assistant's face had mutated into a horrifying and decaying clown-face and I'm fairly certain the lighting had also changed into the topographical noir-scale of waking tryptamine consciousness. It should be noted that these tests were performed intravenously, instead of consuming the neurotransmitter orally with an MAO inhibitor or by smoking it. Their excuse was that they wanted to control the exact dosage.

If anything, this second vision provided me valuable insight as to why so (relatively) little was accomplished through these studies. Because of the doctors lack of personal involvement with the patients (explorers), he was not able to figure out what was going on symbolically and integrally regarding his patients.

Magic is simply not conducive to the rigid scientific method in a corporate and sterile environment. If one really wants to know more about DMT and dark shamanism, I would suggest reading Terence McKenna.

[DawnOfANewEra]

Thanks to everyone who contributed in a meaningful way to this thread. What a coincidence that I happened upon this today, as I was doing some research on my own on the very same topic. Check out this link on Ucadia's website and let me know what you all think or find useful (if anything!). http://one-evil.org/texts_ancient/magisterium/magisterium_01/magisterium_01_0030.htm

Supposedly, it is the history of the world from 200,000 years ago when the Reptilians were brought to this planet as warrior-slaves for the Greys. I have looked elsewhere on the web and cannot find the rest of the text beyond The Awakening, Chapter 8) 1a...As a student of history, I have found my "Western" education lacking in some fundamental truths about our world and past that has caused me to continue to seek, compare, seek, seek, seek. I am completely open to your thoughts and insights.

[Rantaak]

I've heard it was the other way around... That is, that the Greys are slave drones to the reptilians, who came from Orion with the Sirians who they had also enslaved.

[Carmody]

each frequency creates and is involved in a specific set of ley lines that describe the given (geometric) 'shape'. (platonic solids) cross points are points of mutual stressing where the harmonics meet and create dimensional crossing points via the additive harmonics. They accelerate the dimensional aspects of what we call 'ordinary' matter, thus prying the opening within each particle to a larger size and polarizing it into specific portal angle or direction, for a given dimensional aspect.

In order to incorporate the largest number of series of harmonics, a fundamental frequency...has to be..at the LOWEST frequency possible. The center mass point of the surface of the globe is indeed at the great pyramid's location. It has the lowest frequency fundamental,and thus all harmonics possible MUST be centered on that point.

When you take multiple non-perfect harmonics and add them together in vibrational and or electrostatic function, you get freak wave peaks of immense acceleration. See the works of Nikolai Kozyrev on that aspect.

Thus the same aspects of defeating light speed. Additive harmonics work just fine.



I am aware of the planetary merkaba with the inverted tetrahedrons describing specific lines of 'influence'. Do you know if the other platonic solids, set into our planetary sphere, are another subset of energy alternative lines with unique/different influences to tap into, possibly resulting in master points where two or more of the platonic solids meet on the surface, or elsewhere, of the Earth?

Non-perfect harmonics would appear to be present in five of the nine Solfeggio frequencies. They end in odd numbers which would give fractionated frequencies, when divided, as far as whole numbers would be concerned. I listened to them in relationship to each other and the result was not pleasant but discordant. Devils music to my ears.

Are these frequencies, or relationships like them, related to what you are referring to here?

the correct acceleration and combining may take place in the use of the 3d manifestation of the pyramid, which then emits the plasma based dual helix DNA strands above it. The 3d manifestation or 'gate' being used at the central nexus point of the various frequencies. It may be that the frequencies ARE perfected, and the differential of the frequencies in use in the pyramid shape creates the correct acceleration pattern.

http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/pyramidvortex.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?26674-This-rattled-my-cage-when-I-read-it&p=276225&viewfull=1#post276225

[Calz]

I am happy to opine that the ruling elite are very out of touch and probably all fairly to extremely insane as well as incompetent. We are at Roman Empire moment in history except we have a global empire this time. The biggest problem now is the population at large is almost as insane and incompetent. Things are quite a mess. The great organic awakening still seems a difficult scenario.

So did bringing the Ring to Mordor. We need some hobbits I guess. Anybody seen one? :confused:

Caveat to that is the Roman Empire did not provide the internet.

Access to instant communication worldwide for many people (who can spread the word mouth to mouth to those without access) is a powerful thing.

At some point there will possibly be either an attempt to take it down or else due to some earth change scenarios the grid itself going down over a wide swath of the world.

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Well ... Paul has documentation out there.

Short version is look for the "V=" and everything to the right of that select and *THEN* click the "youtube" icon.

Anything to the left (and including v=) can be deleted.
I need to update that document Youtube videos (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13076-How-to-embed-Youtube-videos&p=117968&viewfull=1#post117968). A few months ago, Ilie improved the server software that parses the YOUTUBE macro. Now you can just paste in the entire URL of the Youtube video and the server will extract the needed 11 digit code. Example, posting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH1rB-Ya2UQ will result in this showing:

HH1rB-Ya2UQ
You don't have to get the entire URL right, just enough that the server software can find the needed 11 digit code reliably.

Cool.

Thanx Paul I missed that one. That is helpful.

[gigha]

Thank you .....................






each frequency creates and is involved in a specific set of ley lines that describe the given (geometric) 'shape'. (platonic solids) cross points are points of mutual stressing where the harmonics meet and create dimensional crossing points via the additive harmonics. They accelerate the dimensional aspects of what we call 'ordinary' matter, thus prying the opening within each particle to a larger size and polarizing it into specific portal angle or direction, for a given dimensional aspect.

In order to incorporate the largest number of series of harmonics, a fundamental frequency...has to be..at the LOWEST frequency possible. The center mass point of the surface of the globe is indeed at the great pyramid's location. It has the lowest frequency fundamental,and thus all harmonics possible MUST be centered on that point.

When you take multiple non-perfect harmonics and add them together in vibrational and or electrostatic function, you get freak wave peaks of immense acceleration. See the works of Nikolai Kozyrev on that aspect.

Thus the same aspects of defeating light speed. Additive harmonics work just fine.



I am aware of the planetary merkaba with the inverted tetrahedrons describing specific lines of 'influence'. Do you know if the other platonic solids, set into our planetary sphere, are another subset of energy alternative lines with unique/different influences to tap into, possibly resulting in master points where two or more of the platonic solids meet on the surface, or elsewhere, of the Earth?

Non-perfect harmonics would appear to be present in five of the nine Solfeggio frequencies. They end in odd numbers which would give fractionated frequencies, when divided, as far as whole numbers would be concerned. I listened to them in relationship to each other and the result was not pleasant but discordant. Devils music to my ears.

Are these frequencies, or relationships like them, related to what you are referring to here?

the correct acceleration and combining may take place in the use of the 3d manifestation of the pyramid, which then emits the plasma based dual helix DNA strands above it. The 3d manifestation or 'gate' being used at the central nexus point of the various frequencies. It may be that the frequencies ARE perfected, and the differential of the frequencies in use in the pyramid shape creates the correct acceleration pattern.

http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/pyramidvortex.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?26674-This-rattled-my-cage-when-I-read-it&p=276225&viewfull=1#post276225

[truth4me]

Hmm, lately when I lay down and close my eyes I get two distinct huminoid outlines in my "view" (eyes closed...) kind of a contrast of light grey on black velvet.. almost always two, to my left and right leaning over my chest area ( slightly lower than my head) but still about 3 feet above me.

I brush this off as visual residue from ... something.. or retnal issues... I hope I'm not being syphoned dry like a capri sun juice pack.. but maybe I am.. I can't really tie this into reptilians (though maybe thats what it is?) but the post above me made me think of this immediately..

& I'm one of those heavily skeptical types.. I've never had anything "esoteric" happen to me, no OOB experience, nothing.
You know I believe once you start awakening they come at you in ways like I mentioned or the humanoid outline you mentioned. I don't see them as much,greys,reptilians from out of darkness,as I used to but from time to time it happens. We are monitored by the spirit world I do believe.

[truth4me]

Thanks to everyone who contributed in a meaningful way to this thread. What a coincidence that I happened upon this today, as I was doing some research on my own on the very same topic. Check out this link on Ucadia's website and let me know what you all think or find useful (if anything!). http://one-evil.org/texts_ancient/magisterium/magisterium_01/magisterium_01_0030.htm

Supposedly, it is the history of the world from 200,000 years ago when the Reptilians were brought to this planet as warrior-slaves for the Greys. I have looked elsewhere on the web and cannot find the rest of the text beyond The Awakening, Chapter 8) 1a...As a student of history, I have found my "Western" education lacking in some fundamental truths about our world and past that has caused me to continue to seek, compare, seek, seek, seek. I am completely open to your thoughts and insights.never stop seeking truth because if you continue to seek more truth then what happens? The law of attraction! you're seeking truth and in turn the universe is sending you truth. The more you seek the more you get......

[Calz]

The location I found, I had sent to Bill, about half a year back or more. So he could pass that along to Jordan, if he desired to do so.

I never investigated the ley line termination points ....and that resulted in my involvement in this thread... and subsequent further discovery of termination points, this particular day, today. Those termination points seem to support all prior evidence and considerations...in that something of substance is involved in the 'reptilian' premise.

I'm curiuos, would you be able to do a ley line diagnosis of the East Portion of the Arizona Superstition Mountains in Apache Junction?

This has been an area of high strangeness for as long people have been here.

It's name is a result of all the superstitions native peoples have had concerning it, further many people feel it is a portal zone of sorts. There is also strong suspicion that it contains an underground base of some kind, possibly alien and many folks think reptilian.

I would be willing to do it myself if you could PM me some brief instructions.

Thanks

Apache Junction has a ley line that runs right through it.

that particular ley line also goes through that suspected camping point in Colorado, which is part of the topic of this thread.

Which goes into northern Scotland.


Obtain google earth

http://www.google.com/earth/index.html

Obtain the 'kmz' file for the ley lines, from vortex maps:

http://www.vortexmaps.com/hagens-grid-google.php

The line itself runs on the west side of 'four peaks' proper, by about 3000 ft., this...down from the location of the suspected camping area /3x ley line cross point.

On a standard map, draw a straight line (In Apache Junction) from the intersection of S ironwood dr and superstition, to a point about 2000 ft west of the main peak of four peaks, and that is pretty close to the given energy/ley line.

Carmody can you direct me to a map of that leyline on Scotland please.

Stan

there you go. it is the green line coming in from the left side.

UVG 11 is in northern Scotland. A major point of connection for many of the different vibrational modes. Many other locations are as well, this one just happens to be numbered 11. The Becker-hagens crew did that (numbering), I don't think it is purposeful.

The UK is an active region, many lines end up running through various areas of the UK, due to the nexus point being in the North of Scotland.

This is great.

To anchor this in for people can anyone suggest examples of documented experiences in the north Scotland area that is depicted here?

I think that would be helpful.

[ktlight]

"avid icke, through his many books and television appearances has made some surreal predictions.

Let us know look at what he said about World War Three, and see how this is coming to the forefront off our re laity as we speak.

Whether you love him or hate him, you cannot deny that he has been right about so much, and as this video will show, he is correct about this."

n6ddyy9AAIU

[Calz]

This is what is so very maddening about all this ... many years ago we have heard of this (going back about 140 years if you want to conjure up the illuminati pike material.

... and yet here we are watching it unfold ... drip ... drip ... drip.