David Icke 2011

[BMJ]

I am right there with Icke and Wilde. There is a concept called Archons that I work into this mix, that is they are the same lot. If Stuie is seeing billions then he must be able to perceive the infected along with the infectors. What a mess to clean up.

Thanks for the link.

Someone mention ARCHONS, check this out:

The Return of the Archons

On stardate 3156.2, the starship USS Enterprise, under the command of Captain James T. Kirk, arrives at the planet Beta III where the USS Archon was reported lost nearly 100 years earlier.

Only Sulu comes back from the first landing party, exhibiting strange behavior, and Kirk beams down with another party to investigate. They find the inhabitants of Beta III (who seem to be modeled after 19th-century Earth) are a very static culture, with little or no individual expression or creativity. The entire culture is ruled over by cloaked and cowled "lawgivers", controlled by a reclusive dictator known as Landru. The only time the people "let loose" is at the striking of "The Red Hour" (at 6:00pm), starting "Festival": a period of violence, destruction and sexual aggressiveness which apparently is the only time Landru does not exercise control over them.

Kirk's landing party beams down just before the festival, and they seek shelter from the mobs at a nearby boarding house. Landru seems to be "all-seeing" and "all-knowing" with spies everywhere, one of whom turns in the party when he does not recognize them as members of "The Body": the telepathic collective being, symbiotic with Landru, that most of the inhabitants belong to.

Kirk and his team are eventually rendered unconscious by ultrasonic waves and captured. However, Reger, the owner of the house, is a resistance member and offers protection to Kirk and his team. Reger reveals that Landru "absorbs" selected people into The Body, which was the fate of the Archon's crew, and will also be the fate of the Enterprise's landing party. The Enterprise itself is now stuck in a decaying orbit as intense heat beams prevent it from using its engines.

Kirk and Mr. Spock, his first officer, discover that the reclusive Landru is actually a computer sealed inside an ancient chamber, created 6,000 years ago by a Betian scientist and philosopher. The original Landru only wished to create a way to help his failing society achieve peace. The computer that bore his name was the solution - but it performed its job soullessly and ruthlessly.

Kirk and Spock manage to convince the machine that running the planet as it has been is wrong and the people are being kept as uncreative slaves. They manage to convince the machine that it has violated its own prime directive. The machine realizes its mistake and self-destructs, thus freeing the people of Beta III. Kirk agrees to leave Federation advisors and educators on the planet to help the civilization advance, free of Landru's dominance.

Link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Return_of_the_Archons

[Mark]

Someone mention ARCHONS, check this out:

The Return of the Archons

I remember that episode but had totally forgotten that is what it was titled. Saw it in the past year, actually. The Nag Hammadi does say the Archons are inorganic, as Don Juan says the Foreign Installation is inorganic.

[meeradas]

ever read the "Devi Mahatmyam"?
This is going on now, here.

All sides know who will prevail,
however, the game must obviously be played to its very end.

Listening to & seeing all that gloom, we forget that
one shouldn't ever underestimate the Divine [Force].

[1derer]

I personally believe the Reptilians are real and are linked to the elite and do believe they are connected to the royal family in England. So yes I believe David Icke is on target with his reptilian information and as always this IMHO only......

What makes you believe that the elite or the Royal Family are connected with the reptilians, and in what way?

[eric charles]

I cant seem to wrap my head around most of those claims in that article !

[Violet]

Can't believers give us a simple and practical guide for recognizing reptilians. I've heard they don't like orgonite and then there was some other tool to do with frequencies and stuff...

Just, you know, something we can work with.

[eric charles]

Why not , if these Reptilians are real , why wouldnt some take a video or photo snap shot .

This nonsense is just out of control just like Icke , this guy just loves to sell you his b.s , some is good based facts but some of it is just Lunacy

[Mark]

There is plenty of information and resources out and about the Net across about the Reptilians, both material and ethereal. If you would like more information about them, all you have to do is go to google and wade through the links. After a while of doing so you will be able to determine what is held in common among the articles and what is outlandish. Once you have determined that, you then follow up on the beliefs that are held in common. You follow them up by attempting to correlate myths from around the world and science. Then you look past traditional science into the alternative fields of science, such as the electric sun/universe, beyond conventional physics to string theory and quantum physics. Look at time travel and extra-dimensional access, then you look at architecture and the evolution of human society. You then examine the origins of human society and biology, then archeology. You look at egypt, mesopotamia, mesoamerica, you determine whether mainstream history has it right or not. Then you go back again and you attempt to synthesize all of the information into one big, holistic brew. You again find what is in common and then you come back and re-examine David Icke and his primary source of indigenous information about the Reptilians, Credo Mutwah. You listen to the entire first interview that he did with Credo:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-GK62xrfGs
Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-GK62xrfGs

Then you come back here and tell us what you think. Ask questions, deride the existence of Reptilians, do whatever you choose to do. But make sure that you bring more to the table than skepticism, if you wish to be taken seriously. I assume that since you are all here, then you have traveled past where most seek to go as far as attempting to find out what is true and what is not. I congratulate you on that and wish you all luck upon your journey even further down the rabbit hole.

[modwiz]

Maybe, Eric IS a reptile and he is trying to cover for his buddies. He doth protesteth too much, methinks. :p:rolleyes::jester:

How's that for a conspiracy theory, eh? I threw that last word in for you, Canadian Nugget. :thumb:

[transiten]

Hi, i have posting problems, youtube pops up as soon as i post in the Here and Now thread, now i'll try here...

Well it worked out well, how come it doesn't work in the Here and Now?? Modwiz, have you posted there lately?

[modwiz]

Hi, i have posting problems, youtube pops up as soon as i post in the Here and Now thread, now i'll try here...

Well it worked out well, how come it doesn't work in the Here and Now?? Modwiz, have you posted there lately?

I came in the back or side door. Sierra has fixed it now.

[noprophet]

The way i see it is if you want to try and verify the reptilian theories then your best bet is to start mining the internet. Everyone on a conspiracy forum is generally already acquainted with the theory, and for the most part, has determined views on the subject.

However there is still an entire population out there with no preconceived notions about such things. A population that if they are seeing these things also, has no reason to lie about it and are generally unaffected by the warring opinions of established belief - mostly.

I'm not calling this proof (proof is a nonsense word anyway) - I'm just saying where there is smoke...

I dug around for about ten minutes and came up with these:

Ghost Alien? - some old indexed forum post

Just now after creating GHOST WARS 2 i saw a Giant humanoid lizard!My dog was afraid of it and hided under my bed! Soi followed it upstairs up to the attic! It seem to have noticed me and looked at me in a strange way.Then the lizard hissed at me and stick that toungue thingy that all lizards and snakes do and dissepeared in a dark shadowy corner! it must have bin my imagination but i saw a muddy footprint! But ghost cant leave footprints! This is weird!

Random untrackable Myspace comment due to re-templating - but still lists on google

"0 · i saw a human lizard!!! 0 · 0 · 2 · uhh....haha....have no words to explain 1 · dude im tryin to tell u ...i know what im talking about! ..."

Lizard Man of South Carolina
http://www.ghosttheory.com/2011/07/09/lizard-man-back-in-south-carolina

A forum for people with Methamphetamine problems - Post about Astral dream scapes and Reptilian manipulation
http://methamphetamineabusediscussionforum.yuku.com/topic/7409

Random yahoo answers post

When I was a kid I saw a lizard man( for lack of a better description)come out from the side of the road and put it (hands) on the hood of our family car look one way and then the other and then run off in the opposite direction it came form.It was on a road that runs alongside of a river.My Mom saw it too.So did my brothers and sisters.I still live less than 5 miles from that road.It gives me the creeps to go down it at night.True story believe it or not.

A mother recounts a daughter's story

My daughter reminded me today, that back in april, she saw a "dragon". When she told me then when it had happened, I just thought it was her imagination being over reactive and her just being scared in the middle of the night. So, today she was telling me the story about it and I asked her some questions about it. She said it was as tall as me, I'm 5'2", and it standes on 2 legs like a person, had 2 arms like a person, no ears and a tail. She said it was light green, and dark green scales, and green eyes. She said when she walked out of her room into the hallway it was right there in front of her smiling, she said she wanted to pull its. Mask off its face, but she thought it would be mean then and blow fire at her. She told me it looked like it was real. I just wanted to share this. She is 5 now, the first time something strange happened to me I was 5. I never saw anything dragonlike, but I know some people say and believe there is a reptilian type. I told her she could have been tired and imagined it, and that I'm always there for her, even if it could be imaginary. It kind of scares me a little. She said it had its mouth closed when it smiled and she could reach and touch it if she wanted to, and it was right in front of her. Imaginary? Maybe. Still scary though.

Random post on a men's sports forum

About twenty years ago, I saw a Lizard Man while camping out at Lake Keowee.

Random yahoo Posting

Well I saw a lizard man when I was a kid. My whole family did. It could have been someone in a costume, But it was the 60's and costumes were not very good back then. But this was very realistic.

Maybe not all these people are being honest - but I'm not about to call everyone with a similar story a liar either.

Reality Dictates.

[Dawn]

1derer: HAs anyone ever seen a reptile face to face? or do they all live in other dimensions?

How do they go into a human? don't the reptilian forms have a problem merging with a human? I mean one looks like a walking dinosaur with a tail, and I am sure this would have logisitical effects in a human body.

Or is the human body like a zip up jump suit that the reppies step into and then zip up?


Yes, I have directly seen them. Here is what they are like to me. When my 'spiritual eyes' were first opened I saw that some 7' tall lizard like beings who stood on their back legs were projecting a 'hologram' of a human body that targeted the frequencies seen by our 3 dimensional eyes. So if your vision only comes to your attention from your human body eyes then you will see a person, not the reality behind the hologram.

Many people can only see with their 3D eyes, but we have a number of bodies, and they all have eyes. When you become conscious of your other bodies, you can see with their eyes, as well as your 3D ones. That is when you will be able to see these type of beings.

I haven't seen 1000s of them, however. Perhaps that is because I do not walk around with my attention on other than my 3D eyes. I have actually directly seen only 4 of them. 2 were physicians, and 2 were 'spiritual teachers'.

NOTE: I have never taken substances to enhance my seeing or anything else. I saw these reptilians when I was totally sober. And... when I did see them I had no previous knowledge that they existed. I did not hear anyone else speak of reptilians until many years later.

They had absolutely nothing to do with the reptilian brain we all have. These were actually not human, but appear so through the use of holograms.

[Cottage Rose]

Post off topic for this thread. Sorry.

[truth4me]

I personally believe the Reptilians are real and are linked to the elite and do believe they are connected to the royal family in England. So yes I believe David Icke is on target with his reptilian information and as always this IMHO only......

What makes you believe that the elite or the Royal Family are connected with the reptilians, and in what way?Like I said this is my HMO only. I can't speak for what anybody believes. I just researched information and there is a lot out there and IMO they are reptilians. Can I prove this ? no I can't. Research where the queens family started. Go's back to Sumeria if I'm not mistaken. Google "what princess Diana knew"......

[Mike]

Dawn, wow, i'd love to hear more about your reptilian experiences.

[modwiz]

What makes you believe that the elite or the Royal Family are connected with the reptilians, and in what way?

Cricket. Almost all reptiles love some cricket. :whoo:

[161803398]

I tried to follow a connection once going back as far as I could go.....I was looking for Satanists actually. And what I came to was the Pharisees.

[Catsquotl]

Well, i am bby no means an expert, but I did become part of a reptillian fearing cult a few years back. We used pendulums and visualization techniques to find and get rid of them.
From what i learned, mediatated upon and think i saw with inner seeing is this:

People can be infected by astral eggs inside their sushumna or chackra channel.
You can pendulum whether or not an infection is there and then visualize a vortex of pure energy pullung the egg out of you and into the centre of the earth to be dealt with by our earth mother.

A nest once showed itself to me as a huge number of tiny retillians (they looked to me like snotlings for those who know what they are..;-)
Also they seemed happy i visualized them down a huge funnel into the erath mother... They actualy jumped right in...

This was years ago... ANd it made a lot of sense to me then...

with Love
Eelco

[ktlight]

"History doesn`t just happen in black and white! What F.E.M.A. region do you live in?"

GQYy9wC9_28

[D-Day]

It's a fine line between truth/reality and downright fear porn.
Not sure which side of that line this sits on.
Either way, we'll no doubt find out for ourselves soon enough.

[ajyana]

I've heard it was the other way around... That is, that the Greys are slave drones to the reptilians, who came from Orion with the Sirians who they had also enslaved.


according to the little book 'The Terra Papers' by Robert Morning Sky, which DNA mention in this thread.

The reptilians now on Earth are hybrid lizards called SHET-I, also called HEN-T, they were some slave/servant race created by the Sirians(ASA-RRR empire, ANNUNAKI were from this group, they also the creator of the ADAMUS & ADAPAS, ie. the human & other hybrids).

The SHET-I betrayed their master to help another reptilian rebel group called SSA-TA, stolen the Sirian rulership over ERIDU (aka Earth), and then they re-wrote the history of Earth by erased people memories, mind control etc...

& Morning Sky also said the SHET-I are known today as the "Greys".

[crested-duck]

#2 area in NC

[childs hood end]

when i click on view all headlines on davids site` main page
i got this.....
Buy Viagra from David Icke


Any one else seeing this ?

Thanks.

[ktlight]

I haven't seen it. Where exactly is it?

[Calz]

when i click on view all headlines on davids site` main page
i got this.....
Buy Viagra from David Icke


Any one else seeing this ?

Thanks.

Nope ... not here.

Is it a pop-up?

[ajyana]

No, not here.

(China, Asia)

[GaelVictor]

when i click on view all headlines on davids site` main page
i got this.....
Buy Viagra from David Icke


Any one else seeing this ?

Thanks.

Yeah! mine says; Buy Viagra from David Icke and dazzle your Reptilian girlfriend!

[ajyana]

"Down for maintenance" now

[childs hood end]

Its working fine now,

Yeah! mine says; Buy Viagra from David Icke and dazzle your Reptilian girlfriend!
Ha Ha,,, Nice one,,,,,

was no pop up calz as it had a pic of D.I. on the page,,

peace.

[eric charles]

Maybe, Eric IS a reptile and he is trying to cover for his buddies. He doth protesteth too much, methinks. :p:rolleyes::jester:

How's that for a conspiracy theory, eh? I threw that last word in for you, Canadian Nugget. :thumb:


hihihihhihi Ill protest to rubbish thats for sure modwiz , I agree with His zionists and their control mechanism views , and even believe about some sort of E.T agenda behind it , but to say that he personally seen a person transforme into a reptile hmmmmm not sure about that , i have a hard time grasping these types of claims

[Carmody]

Its working fine now,

Yeah! mine says; Buy Viagra from David Icke and dazzle your Reptilian girlfriend!
Ha Ha,,, Nice one,,,,,

was no pop up calz as it had a pic of D.I. on the page,,

peace.

Never waste your time on and in the act of attempting to return and invigorate the cold and frigid.

[DNA]

Can't believers give us a simple and practical guide for recognizing reptilians. I've heard they don't like orgonite and then there was some other tool to do with frequencies and stuff...

Just, you know, something we can work with.

That would be counter prodcutive to the extreme in my opinion.

We are talkiing about folks who can read your mind. Possess superior strength and apparently vast superior technology, such that would make them indistinguishable to fictional characters that can practice magic.

It has been stated by Val Valarien in his second Matrix book that there is a correlation between the Harry Potter movies and the reptilian conspiracy.

I suppose this is true.

If you look at a group of humans living on planet who know the "truth" and are acting as agents for a group of beings controlling the earth's sector of the galaxy then yes it seems there are parrallels.

Would these beings have "blood" relations to the controllers of this sector of space and feel it important to dwell upon the concentration of that blood in the body in the same way as illustrated in the Potter movies?

All in all you can't really go hunt for these folks. What you would need to do is start by genetically altering a human being so as to not be constrained by the apparent genetic modifications made by the Annunaki. You would need to start on an organic basis.
You would need humans who are telepathic themselves and who would not be so easilly controlled via telepathy as Ingo Swann has pointed out and to some degree as David Jacobs has pointed out.

I think Ingo Swann said it best when he described seeing an alien that appeared to be a woman at a grocery store in his book "penetration". It is a bodily knowing. If your a sensitive and you pick up on stuff, then you would just know.

This happened to me "only once" I was fifteen, working in a 4 star restaurant and a imaculant beautifull women came in with her beautifull imaculannt daughter of three or four.

I "knew" beyond a shadow of a doubt that they were not human. And here is the clincher,,,,I recieved a polite request in my mind to "keep your distance". So I did, I was working the section those folks were in and I did the bare minimum, stayed away and never directly looked at them after that.

This is what Ingo states is your best indicater,,,if your a senstive it is something you feel on a bodily level.

[RedeZra]

There is a concept called Archons that I work into this mix, that is they are the same lot.

And if the groups that have not figured out higher dimensional access are subject to control by the Archons who seem to be fully incorporeal .


let's see what the Bible says about Archons shall we


For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against Principalities [Archons], against Authorities [Exousias], against the Rulers [Kosmokrators] of the darkness of this age, against spiritual wickedness in heavenly [places]. - Ephesians 6:12


how do we stand against spirits who can manifest and manipulate minds ?


only in good standing with God can we stand against evil spirits in this cosmic conflict between the powers of good and the forces of evil

God came down to destroy the works of the devil and his legions and Christ on the Cross accomplished this


God can of course destroy the devil and evil in the twinkling of an eye but God plays by the Book

meaning God respects His spiritual and physical laws

[Carmody]

To be sure there are plenty of paths to follow to explain "reality".

Interesting study here regarding the effect of DMT.
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Excellent book. I would like to share some personal observations. Due to the nature of the study, the experiences people had while under the influence of DMT were limited. As shamans have used this neurotransmitter in ayahuasca brews for thousands of years, they have applied a much more sacred and ritualistic approach to imbibing it. Mental schema, mind-set and physical setting all play a role in the nature of the journey that is experienced while using these substances. One particularly horrifying result written about by Mr. Strassman in this book involves a vision that one of his test subjects had, who was a fear-denying light-sider and had eaten a bunch of meat prior to the experiment, involved being raped by vicious crocodiles. Another person started seizing during their journey and saw Mr. Strassman and his assistant in an entirely different way. The doctor had taken on a more mechanical appearance, resembling a cold-emotionless android who was allowing a bunch of test subjects to board an alien ship for unscheduled examinations. His assistant's face had mutated into a horrifying and decaying clown-face and I'm fairly certain the lighting had also changed into the topographical noir-scale of waking tryptamine consciousness. It should be noted that these tests were performed intravenously, instead of consuming the neurotransmitter orally with an MAO inhibitor or by smoking it. Their excuse was that they wanted to control the exact dosage.

If anything, this second vision provided me valuable insight as to why so (relatively) little was accomplished through these studies. Because of the doctors lack of personal involvement with the patients (explorers), he was not able to figure out what was going on symbolically and integrally regarding his patients.

Magic is simply not conducive to the rigid scientific method in a corporate and sterile environment. If one really wants to know more about DMT and dark shamanism, I would suggest reading Terence McKenna.

"who was a fear-denying light-sider and had eaten a bunch of meat prior to the experiment, involved being raped by vicious crocodiles"

If I'm in a highly sensitive state,and I eat meat..deepening on how much the meat was processed, etc..I can and do sometimes take on the death moment and death throes of the mind set and emotions of the given animal that I'm consuming.

It lasts for about 1.5 to 2 hours, in most instances.

Vibration, chemical, DNA and Lamarckism. Sheldrake's Morphic fields, etc.

[Lisab]

For those that may find difficulty in believing that the Royal Family are in any way reptilian, satanic or just plain evil ask the Mohawk's of Canada on whose intelligence is being insulted. I pray for justice.

[DNA]

let's see what the Bible says about Archons shall we


For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against Principalities [Archons], against Authorities [Exousias], against the Rulers [Kosmokrators] of the darkness of this age, against spiritual wickedness in heavenly [places]. - Ephesians 6:12


how do we stand against spirits who can manifest and manipulate minds ?


only in good standing with God can we stand against evil spirits in this cosmic conflict between the powers of good and the forces of evil

God came down to destroy the works of the devil and his legions and Christ on the Cross accomplished this


God can of course destroy the devil and evil in the twinkling of an eye but God plays by the Book

meaning God respects His spiritual and physical laws

Red, God doesn't love you or I anymore than he loves the reptilians, or the archons, or the greys.


If God is the component in the torsian fields that affect all genetic manifestation, then God is pretty equal opputunity on who he lavishes his attentions on.

[Mark]

let's see what the Bible says about Archons shall we


For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against Principalities [Archons], against Authorities [Exousias], against the Rulers [Kosmokrators] of the darkness of this age, against spiritual wickedness in heavenly [places]. - Ephesians 6:12


how do we stand against spirits who can manifest and manipulate minds ?

Love that quote. It's actually a mis-translation, but close enough. It always resonated with me and I've used it quite a bit in discussing issues of the Archons. Have you read the Nag Hammadi, RedeZra? The Dead Sea Scrolls? Your beliefs seem quite Gnostic to me.

There does seem to be some confusion between Archons and Reptilians and Greys. If the Archons are both or if they are beyond them. If they are beyond, are they also influencing those groups? Interesting stuff.

[RedeZra]

let's see what the Bible says about Archons shall we


For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against Principalities [Archons], against Authorities [Exousias], against the Rulers [Kosmokrators] of the darkness of this age, against spiritual wickedness in heavenly [places]. - Ephesians 6:12


how do we stand against spirits who can manifest and manipulate minds ?



Red, God doesn't love you or I anymore than he loves the reptilians, or the archons, or the greys.

this sounds like a personal opinion or an emotional imagination


according to the Bible God made a special mansion for these fallen spirits into which they try to trick us to join them

Hell is not a place of God's love but God's wrath

[Kristin]

My experience was in the middle of the afternoon, I turned to find one of these reptiles (HUGE) crouched down so it was at my eye level and grinning at me. I was not only shocked but I felt like a turkey in a cage with a tiger. It was only five feet away from me. It had a long tail and was swishing it back and forth like a cat about to strike (VERY HEAVY AND SOLID). I had a verbal WTF reaction as my heart was ponding out of my chest, then poof... it was gone in seconds. Never saw it again. I was NOT on drugs, I was NOT drinking or anything... I was very clear and in control of myself.
Years later I was shocked as I ran into this while investigating UFO's. In fact I had forgotten about it for some time as 20 years had passed. Now I find that I'm not the only one... I have no idea as to who they are or what they are up to, but I find some things interesting and congruent with my story in terms of my family background and the Masonic connection.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

[RedeZra]

let's see what the Bible says about Archons shall we


For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against Principalities [Archons], against Authorities [Exousias], against the Rulers [Kosmokrators] of the darkness of this age, against spiritual wickedness in heavenly [places]. - Ephesians 6:12


how do we stand against spirits who can manifest and manipulate minds ?

Love that quote. It's actually a mis-translation, but close enough.

that depends on which version we read ; )




Your beliefs seem quite Gnostic to me.

i'm Christianity mainstream whatever that means hehe




There does seem to be some confusion between Archons and Reptilians and Greys.

perhaps Archons or fallen spirits who can manifest are collaborating with the PTB in underground labs making humanoid hybrids

[Mark]

perhaps Archons or fallen spirits who can manifest are collaborating with the PTB in underground labs making humanoid hybrids

Perhaps that is so. I have no problems equating discarnate entities with demons. Whatever is going on, these entities beyond the ken of regular sight know us humans intimately. They know our thoughts, they know our true history, they know how we think and they know exactly what our weakenesses are. Whether they are high-technology entities who are billions of years or aeons old, who are magical/scientific/spiritual adepts that manipulate humanity for energetic or physical reasons, whether they are in a battle with other entities of another orientation, whether there really is no difference between science fiction, fantasy or the real world beyond the illusion, it makes no difference when it comes down to us and our connection to that Higher Source that you choose to recognize through the lens of "mainstream Christianity". ;)

i've read your posts elsewhere and smile when I see people trying to argue with you when they pretty much believe the same thing, they just don't use the same language you do.

[RedeZra]

perhaps Archons or fallen spirits who can manifest are collaborating with the PTB in underground labs making humanoid hybrids

Perhaps that is so. I have no problems equating discarnate entities with demons. Whatever is going on, these entities beyond the ken of regular sight know us humans intimately.

i think you're right in that they know us very well




i've read your posts elsewhere and smile when I see people trying to argue with you when they pretty much believe the same thing, they just don't use the same language you do.

i've noticed this too

it's hard to be Christianity mainstream in an Alternative setting

but it's just a label

[1derer]

There is plenty of information and resources out and about the Net across about the Reptilians, both material and ethereal. If you would like more information about them, all you have to do is go to google and wade through the links. After a while of doing so you will be able to determine what is held in common among the articles and what is outlandish. Once you have determined that, you then follow up on the beliefs that are held in common. You follow them up by attempting to correlate myths from around the world and science. Then you look past traditional science into the alternative fields of science, such as the electric sun/universe, beyond conventional physics to string theory and quantum physics. Look at time travel and extra-dimensional access, then you look at architecture and the evolution of human society. You then examine the origins of human society and biology, then archeology. You look at egypt, mesopotamia, mesoamerica, you determine whether mainstream history has it right or not. Then you go back again and you attempt to synthesize all of the information into one big, holistic brew. You again find what is in common and then you come back and re-examine David Icke and his primary source of indigenous information about the Reptilians, Credo Mutwah. You listen to the entire first interview that he did with Credo:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-GK62xrfGs
Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-GK62xrfGs

Then you come back here and tell us what you think. Ask questions, deride the existence of Reptilians, do whatever you choose to do. But make sure that you bring more to the table than skepticism, if you wish to be taken seriously. I assume that since you are all here, then you have traveled past where most seek to go as far as attempting to find out what is true and what is not. I congratulate you on that and wish you all luck upon your journey even further down the rabbit hole.

Tes, do all that and more, and you will still arrive at the same conclusion, that there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever of their existence, there are people making money form saying this and people are being fooled into believing that notable people are in fact green lizard chameleons that have slit pupils and scaly skin, providing sufficient evidence for a small bunch of people to convince themselves and others of a collective delusion.

and ANYONE eric charles, who dare to think for themselves is ridiculed and joked at by the band of disillusioned members who want to keep their ideas true. It is like when they called those who thought the world were round as heretics just because they went again the blind faith of the norm.

I regard your thinking as perfectly acceptable and no doubt for saying this, there will be a backlash that will result in this post being deleted just for stating an alternative view!

[Rantaak]

To be sure there are plenty of paths to follow to explain "reality".

Interesting study here regarding the effect of DMT.
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Excellent book. I would like to share some personal observations. Due to the nature of the study, the experiences people had while under the influence of DMT were limited. As shamans have used this neurotransmitter in ayahuasca brews for thousands of years, they have applied a much more sacred and ritualistic approach to imbibing it. Mental schema, mind-set and physical setting all play a role in the nature of the journey that is experienced while using these substances. One particularly horrifying result written about by Mr. Strassman in this book involves a vision that one of his test subjects had, who was a fear-denying light-sider and had eaten a bunch of meat prior to the experiment, involved being raped by vicious crocodiles. Another person started seizing during their journey and saw Mr. Strassman and his assistant in an entirely different way. The doctor had taken on a more mechanical appearance, resembling a cold-emotionless android who was allowing a bunch of test subjects to board an alien ship for unscheduled examinations. His assistant's face had mutated into a horrifying and decaying clown-face and I'm fairly certain the lighting had also changed into the topographical noir-scale of waking tryptamine consciousness. It should be noted that these tests were performed intravenously, instead of consuming the neurotransmitter orally with an MAO inhibitor or by smoking it. Their excuse was that they wanted to control the exact dosage.

If anything, this second vision provided me valuable insight as to why so (relatively) little was accomplished through these studies. Because of the doctors lack of personal involvement with the patients (explorers), he was not able to figure out what was going on symbolically and integrally regarding his patients.

Magic is simply not conducive to the rigid scientific method in a corporate and sterile environment. If one really wants to know more about DMT and dark shamanism, I would suggest reading Terence McKenna.

"who was a fear-denying light-sider and had eaten a bunch of meat prior to the experiment, involved being raped by vicious crocodiles"

If I'm in a highly sensitive state,and I eat meat..deepening on how much the meat was processed, etc..I can and do sometimes take on the death moment and death throes of the mind set and emotions of the given animal that I'm consuming.

It lasts for about 1.5 to 2 hours, in most instances.

Vibration, chemical, DNA and Lamarckism. Sheldrake's Morphic fields, etc.

Very cool. I personally am too squeamish to experience this energy anymore, as I had a particularly violent awakening involving fractalline clock-eyed monsters (with my eyes) endlessly eating one and another in a vicious chain of carnage. I only eat meat on occasion and in very small quantities, also never poultry (birds are the trigger for my PTSD).

Sheldrake is the man, there are some excellent trialogues between him, terence mckenna (the cosmic christ, right next to don juan mathus) and ralph abraham.

[ponda]

Rahkyt said:

There does seem to be some confusion between Archons and Reptilians and Greys. If the Archons are both or if they are beyond them. If they are beyond, are they also influencing those groups? Interesting stuff.


Yes it is interesting.

My guess is that the Archon phenomena is multi layered.At one level you might have what John Lash describes as the 'mind parasites or psychic parasites'.These could be located in the nearest plane/dimension to us.I think they have also been mentioned in the Gnostic texts.

Then there are the Greys,Reptilians and probably assorted 'others'.These guys might be in a higher plane of reality than the mind parasites but might still be able to influence them or be influenced by them.

In my opinion both of these groups can be connected to and influenced by a much larger non physical entity that is located in a yet higher dimension and which could be described as a 'type of dark energy'.This entity might feed off global loosh or say the collective human negative emotional energy etc. There probably are more layers to this as well and it might go much deeper.

They all might work together in a type of loose but semi-controlled fashion.The ET's might play their part in the bigger 'control' picture as well as there own smaller agendas.The mind parasites might have a much closer more individual influence on humans by influencing perceptions and emotional reactions etc.I also suspect that there 'could' be a connection between mind parasites and psychopathic behaviour.

It would not surprise me if many of modern day human psychological problems,behavioral problems,addictions,obsessive compulsive disorders,fetishes,irrational emotional behavior etc etc are all a result of these parasites effect on humans.They might be much more common than we realize.

One way of combating them might be to try to be as 'self aware' as possible.Paying close attention to the thought process might be a way to take away some or all of their influence.


cheers

[modwiz]

James Horak has a take on the Greys' that I am comfortable with. He calls them extra biological entities or EBE's. He says they are soulless programmed bots sent to scout the universe. They are, in essence, 'wet computers'. With the ability to repair each other and no real lifespan limit they could go and explore the galaxy. Without wormhole technology intergalactic travel was a very time consuming affair. The EBE's were the ticket. Apparently they were sent out so long ago that some of the races that sent them out have gotten newer space traveling technology or died out. This makes the Greys rebels without a cause or mission other than to stay around and keep operating. It seems endless self repair and sustaining themselves was part of the programming, but decommissioning was not.

I'll bet Isaac Asimov would be intrigued by this.

[Carmody]

There is plenty of information and resources out and about the Net across about the Reptilians, both material and ethereal. If you would like more information about them, all you have to do is go to google and wade through the links. After a while of doing so you will be able to determine what is held in common among the articles and what is outlandish. Once you have determined that, you then follow up on the beliefs that are held in common. You follow them up by attempting to correlate myths from around the world and science. Then you look past traditional science into the alternative fields of science, such as the electric sun/universe, beyond conventional physics to string theory and quantum physics. Look at time travel and extra-dimensional access, then you look at architecture and the evolution of human society. You then examine the origins of human society and biology, then archeology. You look at egypt, mesopotamia, mesoamerica, you determine whether mainstream history has it right or not. Then you go back again and you attempt to synthesize all of the information into one big, holistic brew. You again find what is in common and then you come back and re-examine David Icke and his primary source of indigenous information about the Reptilians, Credo Mutwah. You listen to the entire first interview that he did with Credo:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-GK62xrfGs
Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-GK62xrfGs

Then you come back here and tell us what you think. Ask questions, deride the existence of Reptilians, do whatever you choose to do. But make sure that you bring more to the table than skepticism, if you wish to be taken seriously. I assume that since you are all here, then you have traveled past where most seek to go as far as attempting to find out what is true and what is not. I congratulate you on that and wish you all luck upon your journey even further down the rabbit hole.

Tes, do all that and more, and you will still arrive at the same conclusion, that there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever of their existence, there are people making money form saying this and people are being fooled into believing that notable people are in fact green lizard chameleons that have slit pupils and scaly skin, providing sufficient evidence for a small bunch of people to convince themselves and others of a collective delusion.

and ANYONE eric charles, who dare to think for themselves is ridiculed and joked at by the band of disillusioned members who want to keep their ideas true. It is like when they called those who thought the world were round as heretics just because they went again the blind faith of the norm.

I regard your thinking as perfectly acceptable and no doubt for saying this, there will be a backlash that will result in this post being deleted just for stating an alternative view!

Well, let's give you..something really tricky, then.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17872-The-Question-of-Lithium--Alchemy-dimensions-shapeshifters-aliens-existence-reality..-

The world and reality itself.. are much older, much larger and far more complex than your current state of ignorance.

[Dawn]

Dawn: Yes, I have directly seen them. Here is what they are like to me. When my 'spiritual eyes' were first opened I saw that some 7' tall lizard like beings who stood on their back legs were projecting a 'hologram' of a human body that targeted the frequencies seen by our 3 dimensional eyes. So if your vision only comes to your attention from your human body eyes then you will see a person, not the reality behind the hologram.

Many people can only see with their 3D eyes, but we have a number of bodies, and they all have eyes. When you become conscious of your other bodies, you can see with their eyes, as well as your 3D ones. That is when you will be able to see these type of beings.

I haven't seen 1000s of them, however. Perhaps that is because I do not walk around with my attention on other than my 3D eyes. I have actually directly seen only 4 of them. 2 were physicians, and 2 were 'spiritual teachers'.

NOTE: I have never taken substances to enhance my seeing or anything else. I saw these reptilians when I was totally sober. And... when I did see them I had no previous knowledge that they existed. I did not hear anyone else speak of reptilians until many years later.

They had absolutely nothing to do with the reptilian brain we all have. These were actually not human, but appear so through the use of holograms.

Chinaski: Dawn, wow, i'd love to hear more about your reptilian experiences.

Ok, I'll flesh my answers out a bit. But before I do, let me say that I have very high respect for the many people who have researched this topic and are sharing here on this thread. Although I enjoy researching topics, I really never have researched this one much at all, so my only contribution here is my direct experience. If you go to my Breatharian thread http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34696-Breatharianism-and-living-on-Prana-a-how-to-guide there is a brief description of the exercises and meditations I did which allowed me to have a very enhanced way of being and seeing in this life.

It was within a couple of days after opening my eyes to see only pure blinding light, and nothing else, that I began to see many things differently than I ever had before. One of the things I saw was that not all apparent humans were the same. Some of them just wore holographic human body images, which fooled other humans into thinking they were human too. These were actually tall lizards, but to the 3D human eye they simply looked like they had a human body. The 4 I saw had what appeared to be 'normal' human lives, 3 of them appeared to be human men, and one appeared as a human women.

I think the 'spiritual teachers' were actually attempting to help humans break loose from their minds. They were the ones who taught me the techniques mentioned in the breatharian thread. (Most teachers in that particular school were NOT reptilians, but normal humans) The 2 doctors I saw were, in my opinion, attempting to prevent humans from awakening through the use of forced psychiatric drugs. Since an estimated 40-60% of psychiatric patients are actually having a spiritual awakening, they had chosen their positions to prevent that awakening from completing.

I never let any of them know that I saw them clearly. I didn't feel safe in their presence once I saw who and what they were, and my goal was to save my own skin by appearing clueless. I played along with them in the game where I pretended they were normal humans doing a job.

I have highly developed 2nd sight. And what I saw after the events described in
Beatharian was extremely frightening to me.

Since then, I have actually asked NOT to see what does not concern me, and what I do not need to see in order to understand my next step. That might seem like a coward's decision to you, however I asked for that change because my human personality was often in terror from what was consciously seen. This has worked in my favor, as I have slowly become accustomed to seeing things others only hear about or see in science fiction. It takes a lot to rattle me these days.

I will just add that I have often see real human bodies that are 'possessed' by non-human entities.

This is not the same as the large lizards I described... who project a non-real human body hologram that fools the human eye.

[Carmody]

I have highly developed 2nd sight. I have actually asked NOT to see what does not concern me, and what I do not need to see in order to understand my next step. That might seem like a coward's decision to you, however I asked for that change because my human personality was often in terror from what was consciously seen.

I will just add that I have often see real human bodies that are 'possessed' by non-human entities.

This is not the same as the large lizards I described... who project a non-real human body hologram that fools the human eye.

This here post from the given thread explains a bit of the why of needing the capacity to shut it off.

I was 'wide open' for about 18 months, and overall, for 24 months, in total. I was sleeping just under 1.5 hours per day. The rest of the time, I had to fight to hold onto the frameworks we call 'reality', or 3d space.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17872-The-Question-of-Lithium--Alchemy-dimensions-shapeshifters-aliens-existence-reality..-&p=374981&viewfull=1#post374981

[ponda]

James Horak has a take on the Greys' that I am comfortable with. He calls them extra biological entities or EBE's. He says they are soulless programmed bots sent to scout the universe. They are, in essence, 'wet computers'. With the ability to repair each other and no real lifespan limit they could go and explore the galaxy. Without wormhole technology intergalactic travel was a very time consuming affair. The EBE's were the ticket. Apparently they were sent out so long ago that some of the races that sent them out have gotten newer space traveling technology or died out. This makes the Greys rebels without a cause or mission other than to stay around and keep operating. It seems endless self repair and sustaining themselves was part of the programming, but decommissioning was not.

I'll bet Isaac Asimov would be intrigued by this.

Yes that is a fascinating and most likely highly plausible scenario.The thought of intelligent extra biological entities roaming the Universe long after their makers have moved on etc is quite probable imo.Also the diversity of such beings could be mind boggling.How much of their makers traits or consciousness that they each might have is interesting, as well as what were they originally designed to do and have they in fact changed at all and if they have then how ?

Another possible aspect of the Greys is that some of them might be silicon based spiritual entities with both positive and negative natures.The Mantids might also fit into this type of entity.

[DNA]

this sounds like a personal opinion or an emotional imagination


according to the Bible God made a special mansion for these fallen spirits into which they try to trick us to join them

Hell is not a place of God's love but God's wrath

If you mean personal opinion in the sense that I think for myself and speak for myself rather than quoting male mysogny and ethnocentrism from the bible then yes, I was speaking from personal opinion.

[Aetheric Traveler]

Hell is not a place of God's love but God's wrath[/QUOTE]

Red, If God is Unconditional Love, how is it possible in your mind that the concept of God's Wrath can exist?

I have always had a problem with the contradictive double standard of this statement, The Wrath of God.

God is Love, Wrath is Anger. The statement "wrath of god", translates directly to the Anger of Love: Doesn't that sound a bit Satanic to you?

Is it possible that the successive translations of the Bible, whether by Reptilian Agenda, Man's Agenda or just plain human foolish mistakes over the last 4000 years has corrupted the true meaning of many of the passages?

The Bible is still full of fantastic spiritual lessons and teachings, but I don't cotton to the idea of worshipping it as a divine object, especially once man has touched it.

I have made up my own mind about these concepts and use them on a daily basis to understand that the concept of what most call "God" is so errantly bandied about without the slightest idea as what Anger or Love really mean.

IMHO, If God was ever angry for a nanosecond at Reptilians, Grays, humans, turtles, rocks or crickets and slugs, then, the whole universe would simply go up in a puff of smoke, leaving a thimblefull of ash where once there were an infinite number of galaxies.

IMHO, using the phrase "wrath of god" simply shows a developing human understanding in its most rudimentary stages of the concept of "Higher Love".

The entire Universe is created out of the vibrations of Love, manifested at different vibrational frequencies such that to us what seems solid is just an illusion to our 3 dimensionally limited eyesight.

The fact that people theorize that Reptilians can shapeshift, intermingle with humans without them knowing and sensitives get impressions of what they are interacting with, suggests to me that Reptilians are a a life form capable of transcending (moving in and out of physical form at will) to a degree unknown to the average limited-understanding human being.

Why would "God" as you him call him/her be mad at once species of life and not at another, like the Reptilians? Doesn't that seem prejudiced to you?

Just my thoughts, not meant to offend or make you feel insulted, but I can't agree anymore to see the phrase "wrath of god" the way I was taught constantly by people who practice so little of the Higher Love's lessons like I did myself when I was younger. I respect the beliefs of others and wish that all people's beliefs grow into the highest level of understanding that allows them the most spiritual growth possible.

Cheers,
AT

[Jenci]

Yes, I have directly seen them. Here is what they are like to me. When my 'spiritual eyes' were first opened I saw that some 7' tall lizard like beings who stood on their back legs were projecting a 'hologram' of a human body that targeted the frequencies seen by our 3 dimensional eyes. So if your vision only comes to your attention from your human body eyes then you will see a person, not the reality behind the hologram.

Many people can only see with their 3D eyes, but we have a number of bodies, and they all have eyes. When you become conscious of your other bodies, you can see with their eyes, as well as your 3D ones. That is when you will be able to see these type of beings.



Thanks for this, Dawn.
It's a very simple explanation.......for some reason it is resonating with me. I've not experienced that before with talk about reptiles.

Would you mind expanding on what you mean by other bodies. I guess you're not talking 3D human body form - so are you conscious of more than one body? At the same time? Do they see different things?
Jeanette

[RedeZra]

Hell is not a place of God's love but God's wrath[/QUOTE]

Red, If God is Unconditional Love, how is it possible in your mind that the concept of God's Wrath can exist?



hi Aetheric Traveler


the Wrath of God is an idea i picked up from the Bible together with Heaven and Hell

i have never seen the Wrath of God nor Heaven and Hell or i have but i can't remember

but i have felt the Love of God and i remember it well


i don't like to confine God and so i do believe based on the Bible and the Vedas that Righteous Rage is on the Repertoire of God and that Hell is kindled with this Rage

God do not like sin and so Christ came to save sinners because God loves us

there are also spiritual rules in operation in the Universe and i guess God respects His rules

so much so that He came down to die on the Cross for us

[Unified Serenity]

Killing a disease is loving for the one attacked by it. Is there spiritual disease? I guess that is the question. We ultimately choose the path we take. Love should not be viewed emotionally all the time for there are times that the most loving thing to do does seem harsh, but it's for the greater good.

If all things come from God, then when the lake of fire is consumed by God and the past is remembered no more, is anything lost or do we finally have balance to continue the path God originally created with souls who have actually chosen the path of enlightenment and understand unconditional love.

[hangel]

to 1derer
There is scientific evidence for 'journeys' as i call RV. And anyway tell me what it is scientific evidence. im scientist and i dont know, because i question anything for living. Are Newton laws scientific? What about quantum stuff? There are scientific evidences against Newton. So what’s scientific? Is it enough to fix into our last 200 years to call it scientific? Our current awareness is too small to classify things that way.

[Dawn]

Jenci: Would you mind expanding on what you mean by other bodies. I guess you're not talking 3D human body form - so are you conscious of more than one body? At the same time? Do they see different things?.......... Jeanette

Hi Jeanette, most who study this topic would agree with me. We have a number of bodies. I haven't studied theory nearly as much as many people, and I know there is a lot of information out there that might give you a much more in-depth answer than mine. My understanding is based on personal experience and knowing.

Here is a partial list of the other bodies we have
1) the physical body
2) the emotional body
3) the mental body
4) the astral body
5) the etheric body
6) the causal body
I'm pretty sure there are more, but these are the ones I am conscious of.

The body I use most often to tell me about the world (other than my physical body with its 5 senses) is the etheric one. It has eyes and can both see and experience ether, prana, energy and so on.

What you probably want to know is how to activate your conscious awareness of the signals these bodies are giving you. There are so many paths to awareness. Mine has been through meditation and spending many hours in nature. I have taken the time to write about one of the most powerful meditation exercises I am aware of here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34696-Breatharianism-and-living-on-Prana-a-how-to-guide

You may like to try the above technique or you may be led to other paths. Follow your own inner guidance.

Dawn

[Aetheric Traveler]

I believe in the Cosmic Mind. A sort of thing that unconsciously allows beings to manifest understandings of reality that they are completely unconsciously aware of. My feeling is that there are definitely all types of creatures in all types of forms, chemical and non-chemical compositions and life-forms where we wouldn't even consider them life forms by our 3 Dimensional standards.

The Cosmic Mind as such tends to "intuit" things into people's heads on a very Cosmically vibrating level such that we little humans think we are being creative when we write a Star Trek (The Original Series) episode like "ARENA" where Kirk has to battle the lizard-man creature called a Gorn.

Pretty poor representation of a lizard guy in a rubber suit, but the idea is not beyond possibility.

My own suspicion is that the truth of the planet, our planet Earth, which is like an Oasis in the middle of a cosmic sized desert, is a fantastic common source point for so many valuable resources, that it is in contention for "ownership" by most likely many different powerful factions not based originally on this planet. What the true history and who the true originators are is probably going to be hidden for quite some time.

Here is a supposition for everyone: Suppose you are a race known as the Annunaki and you are 16-30 foot tall humanoids who want to leave behind a caretaker race to keep the ownership of the Earth Annunaki-based. You conquered the planet over 100,000 years ago from a Reptilian race who conquered it from someone else who was totally non-violent, say, the Arcturians.

When you leave behind your Annunaki seeded caretaker race, you decide to alter their genetics from 24 pairs of chromosomes down to 23, even though the very primitive primate species on the planet have 24 pairs of genes, but they're just not developed enough cosmically and spiritually to the point of intelligence to make a caretaker race. You Terraform the planet, and put it into the care of the "altered" race whose number 2 genome is fused to make only 23 pairs of chromosomes. These 2 gene pairs fused at the Telomeres, shut off the different functions that control bone, cranial, and organ size growth for 16-30 feet tall humanoids so that the caretaker race is only 5-6 feet tall. The endocrine system, pineal, pituitary, and the related glandular functions that control all the differences in humanoid expression between the 2 different size beings are all effectively "turned down", but not off.

The reasons for doing so are many and I won't go into speculation here.

What you get is a race of altered "children" who are just like the parent race in many ways. They are given explicit instructions not to mess with the "Tree of Life", or the DNA heliacal system. And the Annunaki leave.

Sometimes the codes malfunction slightly and give rise to examples of giantism, dwarfism, and other not so perfect expressison of the altered gene coding because it's not a perfect alteration.

So now we have to get back to the Reptilians with the understanding that the Earth is populated with a caretaker race who is not fully as powerful as their parents. Along back come the Reptilians who "lost" the planet thousands of years ago and know if they reveal themselves completely or militarily overtake the planet's political and military systems, things will not go well when the Annunaki return, so, they infiltrate the human power structures and use/corrupt/malign the systems in place using the fooled caretakers of the Earth as their unwitting and sometimes witting servants, especially in very high powerful level circles. Since the Reptilians are working somewhat peacefully albeit unethically, with the caretaker race, they're probably hoping or counting on that they cannot be openly attacked by the returning Annunaki as if they were militaristic conquerors.

This leaves us in the position of being in the middle of 2 very powerful factions in the future if this kind of scenario has even the slightest amount of validity.

I didn't watch the Credo Matwa video because it looks like it's close to 6 hours long.

Just some food for thought.
Cheers,
AT

[jackovesk]

Many of you will be familiar with Bill's interview with David Icke and Jordan Maxwell, where @ 1:46:25 into the discussion Jordan tells of a phone call he received from a representative of five 'christian families' who during a holiday together came into forced close contact with a reptilian being who, to put it mildly, frightened the s**t out of them - perhaps the most convincing reptilian contact story I've come across!

You may find the following short email worth considering as another piece of evidence pointing to the definite existence among us of reptilians:

http://www.stuartwilde.com/2011/11/david-icke-is-right-about-the-reptiles/

G'Day StephenW11UK,

For what is worth Stephen, I'm glad you joined Avalon...

Its great to see, its never too late to join in the search of the 'Truth' no matter how bizzare it may seem at times.

Regards,

Jack

[Black Panther]

We're gonna break the spell! It is happening. More and more people are waking up.

F_XSwMfOdAc

I was watching tv tonight and I saw these monkeys. (Yes, I was watching tv, I am a bad boy :p).
And now I've found this YouTube video about the monkeys. He says (at 1:00) : there are now more than 100 monkeys. So, the time has come! ;)

iEpJf5-IYwM

[Jenci]

I don't doubt this at all, that one individual waking up to consciousness has an effect collectively.
Jeanette

[Mark]

When you leave behind your Annunaki seeded caretaker race, you decide to alter their genetics from 24 pairs of chromosomes down to 23, even though the very primitive primate species on the planet have 24 pairs of genes, but they're just not developed enough cosmically and spiritually to the point of intelligence to make a caretaker race. You Terraform the planet, and put it into the care of the "altered" race whose number 2 genome is fused to make only 23 pairs of chromosomes. These 2 gene pairs fused at the Telomeres, shut off the different functions that control bone, cranial, and organ size growth for 16-30 feet tall humanoids so that the caretaker race is only 5-6 feet tall. The endocrine system, pineal, pituitary, and the related glandular functions that control all the differences in humanoid expression between the 2 different size beings are all effectively "turned down", but not off.

Great description of what could have potentially happened. I particularly resonate to the idea that it wouldn't have taken technology too far beyond ours if at all to do so. While the veracity of "The Lost Book of Enki" is in doubt, I think it is pretty fair in describing the types of technology that another race of beings in the solar system might have had some hundreds of thousands of years ago. No telling what the case might be now, but if there are other players moving into the system at the same time this oasis might be due for some pretty interesting times in the not-so-distant future.

[Carmody]

Then the next stage:


From the wiki on 'tulpa':

Areas of intense Fortean phenomena are called window areas. Many of them were places of former religious importance that have now waned or fallen from use. Could the worship or occult use of an area over hundreds of years create a sort of artificial life form? Something that fed on the worship. When the worship is taken away the "thing" still needs to feed. It now feeds by creating fear with paranormal manifestations. Another idea is that they are a massive, collective, sub-conscious, thought form. The thought form or tulpa is said to be a 3-D semi solid image created by the power of the mind. Buddhist llamas [sic] in Tibet are said to be able to summon up tulpas during intense meditation. Western explorer Dame Alexandra [David-Néel] was said to have created a tulpa of a monk whilst studying in Tibet. Polish medium Franek Kluski (Teofil Modrzejewski) was said to have summoned up huge cats, birds, and even ape-men during séances. Perhaps, considering the types of beast he called up, he was creating tulpas. If individuals can create tulpas imagine what the collective, gestalt mind of humanity as a species could do. Perhaps dragons are a giant worldwide thought form emanating from our innermost fears.[14]

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In the face of that, what is a reptilian or an archon?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke

Tyson Lewis and Richard Kahn see Icke as a spiritual philosopher, arguing that it's not clear he believes in the reptilians himself. They write that there is an almost obsessive-compulsive element to his writing, which includes anything he can find to support a narrative that connects ancient Sumer to modern America, in a way that "defies the laws of academic gravity."[67] They argue that the lizards may be allegorical, a Swiftian satire describing the emergence of a global fascist state. In Children of the Matrix, Icke writes that if the reptilians did not exist, we would have to invent them. "In fact," he says, "we probably have. They are other levels of ourselves putting ourselves in our face."


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I was just reading that the only thing that causes a positive response in DNA, is the emotion of love. This is found in David wilcock's new book, about page 165 or so. This was concerning scientifically rigorous tests. I'm not explaining myself perfectly here.

The fact that we are also amplifiers and transmitters of energies that we are not aware of. This is covered in the new book, as well.

for example, the idea that 'reps' and 'archons' and even Typhon, or Lucifer, are all the same..they are all manifestations that need our input to survive...period.

The literal manifestation of fear. I myself can speak in other people's heads. Usually when I'm VERY angry with them. I'm also on record as saying and feeling that..through observation and remembered astral travels..that I've created my OWN Tulpas. More than once.

Now, how about reports from those who do surgery on people with the equivalent of a dull spoon? yet the wound is excised, the offending bits removed, and the body heals itself, immediately.

Everything must be taken into account, to see it clearly. Everything. There is still much more to cover. For example, Doyle Noyes creating a storm in Kansas city. People see it, they add in their energy and he takes charge of that too. When the electrostatic levels are high enough and enough aetheric energy is involved, he can then use the energies to knock cars over, throw things about, etc. The sorcerer. The wizard.

I have an astro double. a very famous astro double. a celebrity.

now, when people willed tremendous amounts of energy at this double, they aimed it at his 'ideal'. This/his vibration was/is similar to mine. THAT is when I was able to manifest in front of people, to manifest tulpas, to be seen in astral form, as a real thing, to manipulate energies, etc. now, this was also an astrologically powerful period but this was something else. I mean, my dogs have never had a leash or collar. My connections were purely mental.

As I have learned from that experience, I am almost as strong as I was then. I understand the connection, I feel the connection, I know the connection, I am a connection. the true state of true knowing. Here, on this forum, Chris..greybeard.. speaks of a time when he was at a an ashram in India, IIRC. and the guru could and did manifest things like small animals or flowers, etc. flowers, right out of his mouth. The Guru flat out said that the people WILLED that energy to him, as a form of their belief in him.

Now consider my 'take' on all this. real..and not real.

Real enough to have to deal with, but real in what way?

Look again.

[Mark]

Considering that everything that we 'see' is, in all actuality, a projection on the 'wall' of a black hole inside our heads, and that we never really even touch anything or anyone, nothing is really real in any sense other than a mental interaction with something we identify as other be it organic or non-organic. Holographic reality? Everything is one thing? If we deal with what is within, what is without will in turn be dealt with.

[Carmody]

So, plainly said, the roman catholic bible and associated apparatus.... requires your fear.

They specifically killed off the ones in their midst who preach love, or truth. The orthodox sects, The councils of Nicaea, the shift of Saturn's feast day... to being Christ's birthday in order to capture those energies for 'Saturn', etc.....the believers in psychic energies, the thread on hell is an invention of the church. and so on.

Love would dissolve a need for all of it --- to exist.

Look at that federal reserve thingie and then the pyramid with the eye, again.

The list of energetic leeches is nearly endless. Real or not?

We get into the complexity of what is real, when the universe is one of co-creation in a sea of energies.

WILL is creation and the stability of life. Which is why we were created with a set of training wheels called duality.... and a body function... which has been held from us. Held until we sit up and take charge of our full selves. When we are individually ready.

[Mark]

Point made, bredren. :)

Just to return to the illusion of parasitic entities for a moment, Don Juan told Casteneda that the Fliers were a test, a way of individuals proving that they were ready to move beyond the energetic relationships that continue to enthrall the masses and keep their energy recycling within the same context. Perhaps that is the expression of 'taking charge of our full selves'? The sign of when we are individually ready?

The act of 'stilling the mind' which makes the Fliers leave, that Don Juan instructs Casteneda with approximates Shamatha meditation, a Buddhist-related tradition. Is this something beyond "Stopping the world"? From that tradition (Toltec), we have an ascension of sorts beyond normal everyday perception and a new way of interacting with the world. So is achieving enlightenment according to the Buddhist tradition. potentially the same level of Being as a Toltec Shaman/Warrior/Sorcerer?

[Carmody]

Point made, bredren. :)

Just to return to the illusion of parasitic entities for a moment, Don Juan told Casteneda that the Fliers were a test, a way of individuals proving that they were ready to move beyond the energetic relationships that continue to enthrall the masses and keep their energy recycling within the same context. Perhaps that is the expression of 'taking charge of our full selves'? The sign of when we are individually ready?

The act of 'stilling the mind' that Don Juan instructs Casteneda with approximates Shamatha meditation, a Buddhist-related tradition. From that tradition, we have an ascension of sorts beyond normal everyday perception and a new way of interacting with the world. Achieving enlightenment, potentially the same level of Being as a Toltec Shaman/Warrior/Sorcerer?

Without having read the works, and only the few sentences above, I'd say yes.

I wanted to be honest with myself, so I made it there on my own, and am only now reading some of the answer books and works. I wanted no chance that suggestion would pollute my mind and have any potential for traction in my mind, regarding 'fooling myself'. This was very important. I wanted to be absolutely sure.

[Mark]

From, The Active Side of Infinity (http://www.prismagems.com/castaneda/donjuan12.html). Carlos Casteneda.


Focus your attention on the fleeting shadows that you actually see. The flyers' mind has not left you, it has been seriously injured. It's trying its best to rearrange its relationship with you. But something in you is severed forever. The flyer knows that. The real danger is that the flyers' mind may win by getting you tired and forcing you to quit by playing the contradiction between what it says and what I say. You see, the flyers' mind has no competitors, when it proposed something, it agrees with its own proposition, and it makes you believe that you've done something of worth. The flyers' mind will say to you that whatever Juan Matus is telling you is pure nonsense, and then the same mind will agree with its own proposition, "Yes, of course, it is nonsense," you will say. That's the way they overcome us. The flyers are an essential part of the universe and they must be taken as what they really are&endash;awesome, monstrous. They are the means by which the universe tests us. We are energetic probes created by the universe, and it's because we are possessors of energy that has awareness that we are the means by which the universe becomes aware of itself. The flyers are the implacable challengers. They cannot be taken as anything else. If we succeed in doing that, the universe allows us to continue.


I wanted to be honest with myself, so I made it there on my own, and am only now reading some of the answer books and works. I wanted no chance that suggestion would pollute my mind and have any potential for traction in my mind, regarding 'fooling myself'. This was very important. I wanted to be absolutely sure.

Admirable and necessary in order to be an experiential reality and not an intellectual exercise.

[Aetheric Traveler]

When you leave behind your Annunaki seeded caretaker race, you decide to alter their genetics from 24 pairs of chromosomes down to 23, even though the very primitive primate species on the planet have 24 pairs of genes, but they're just not developed enough cosmically and spiritually to the point of intelligence to make a caretaker race. You Terraform the planet, and put it into the care of the "altered" race whose number 2 genome is fused to make only 23 pairs of chromosomes. These 2 gene pairs fused at the Telomeres, shut off the different functions that control bone, cranial, and organ size growth for 16-30 feet tall humanoids so that the caretaker race is only 5-6 feet tall. The endocrine system, pineal, pituitary, and the related glandular functions that control all the differences in humanoid expression between the 2 different size beings are all effectively "turned down", but not off.

Great description of what could have potentially happened. I particularly resonate to the idea that it wouldn't have taken technology too far beyond ours if at all to do so. While the veracity of "The Lost Book of Enki" is in doubt, I think it is pretty fair in describing the types of technology that another race of beings in the solar system might have had some hundreds of thousands of years ago. No telling what the case might be now, but if there are other players moving into the system at the same time this oasis might be due for some pretty interesting times in the not-so-distant future.


Thanks, Rahkyt, I have to go back and re-read the Lost Book of Enki. It's sitting on my shelf within eyesight as I type this and I haven't been in it for over a decade. I have read so many different author's ideas of what is and what was, that it's hard to figure out just exactly what I believe sometimes. My beliefs evolve on a monthly and weekly basis as of late. After reading the Flower of Life, Vol 1 & 2 by Drunvalo Melchizidek, it became clearer to me that there are many different aspects of what we call "Human" in relation to the concept of the Monad. I don't profess to understand the Monad very well yet, but it's something I dare say nobody can completely explain because it's different for everyone. Everyone's Monad is made up for different reasons specific to their Cosmic Balances and no one else's.

Regarding the Reptilians, the Monad and the return of the Annunaki, this gets very complex in spiritual terms because we exist on many different levels at the same time (the Monad) and we are not consciously aware of all of them until our consciousness raises to the point of accessing each particular ascending vibrational level.

I suspect the concept of the Monad will show us that we are Humans on one level, Annunaki on another level as their children, Annunaki as themselves in a separated form, similar to a split form of our/themselves not unlike the split of personalities such as in the movie Dark Crystal with the Skexis and the Mystics, and finally several other different forms, one of which might very well be the Reptilians.

That presents a strange possibility that the Reptilians (as a part of our Monad and we theirs) are indeed us. If that is true, then, the Annunaki, the Reptilians, the other aspects of our Monad are waiting for us little humans to catch up in spiritual growth to meld into one fusion of higher being by integrating all the developed parts of the whole into something not possible separately.

Consider it sort of like taking out certain body parts and sending them to the cleaners and waiting for them to get back to you can run a race somewhere that requires all parts to be at the same level of Cosmic Clean.

Maybe it's my imagination, or it's the Cosmic Mind, but there's certainly more to the equation than the Vatican or any other large Power That Be wants us to find out because, as they say, You Shall Learn the Truth and It Shall Set You Free. The sequel to the movie the Golden Compass was SQUASHED BY THE VATICAN!!! uh-huh, yeah, what a real threat it must have been.
Cheers,
AT

[Aetheric Traveler]

as just reading that the only thing that causes a positive response in DNA, is the emotion of love. This is found in David wilcock's new book, about page 165 or so. This was concerning scientifically rigorous tests. I'm not explaining myself perfectly here.

The fact that we are also amplifiers and transmitters of energies that we are not aware of. This is covered in the new book, as well.

Chris..greybeard.. speaks of a time when he was at a an ashram in India, IIRC. and the guru could and did manifest things like small animals or flowers, etc. flowers, right out of his mouth. The Guru flat out said that the people WILLED that energy to him, as a form of their belief in him.

Now consider my 'take' on all this. real..and not real.

Real enough to have to deal with, but real in what way?

Look again.[/QUOTE]

Examine the life of Satya Sai Baba and you will see an adept who could bilocate, manifest solid objects out of thin air, speak any language, ancient or modern, teleport himself to any part of the planet, heal any disease, know any person's thoughts and manipulate weather and terrain to name just a few.

Could these examples of life in our form be just the tip of the iceberg of what we are supposed to be doing so that understanding what people call the Reptiles means so little to us in terms of fear and everything to us in terms of conquering our own inner "base" instincts? Jesus the Christ did say, "And great things than these shall you do also", meaning that we are capable of manifesting what people call miracles. Sai Baba said simply that they were just part of his nature, the same nature we would be when we came to embody pure love.

Is it possible that Reptilians are simply another challenge to our Cosmic Spirits within to embody Pure Love and No Fear?

I wonder.

AT

[Mark]

My beliefs evolve on a monthly and weekly basis as of late.

I think this is true of many of us to an extent. A product of where and when we are.


That presents a strange possibility that the Reptilians (as a part of our Monad and we theirs) are indeed us. If that is true, then, the Annunaki, the Reptilians, the other aspects of our Monad are waiting for us little humans to catch up in spiritual growth to meld into one fusion of higher being by integrating all the developed parts of the whole into something not possible separately.

Consider it sort of like taking out certain body parts and sending them to the cleaners and waiting for them to get back to you can run a race somewhere that requires all parts to be at the same level of Cosmic Clean.

I don't know anything about this idea of the Monad. When I was researching the Cassiopaean information Laura KJ said that she had spoken to individuals who remembered lifetimes where they were aliens. Since Past Present and Future all co-exist simultaneously I have no problems with the idea that we could have other aspects of self within other Beings. It is my understanding that the Oversoul dissipates into experience to draw such back into itself eventually. We are individual collectives within a larger collective within a larger collective, spanning from the lowest dimensional and density aggregates to the highest. From the perspective of Now, and who we are and our current needs, though, I like to keep it on a relateable level. For me, all the higher Oneness talk is generally unworkable for most in 3D until they get to a level where it can be actualized and truly conceptualized, but here and there it does serve as a good thought exercise. Fake it till you make it, I guess.


Could these examples of life in our form be just the tip of the iceberg of what we are supposed to be doing so that understanding what people call the Reptiles means so little to us in terms of fear and everything to us in terms of conquering our own inner "base" instincts? Jesus the Christ did say, "And great things than these shall you do also", meaning that we are capable of manifesting what people call miracles. Sai Baba said simply that they were just part of his nature, the same nature we would be when we came to embody pure love.

Is it possible that Reptilians are simply another challenge to our Cosmic Spirits within to embody Pure Love and No Fear?

Sounds about right to me, as all is a challenge for us to overcome limitation and achieve what lies beyond.

[Carmody]

When I was researching the Cassiopaean information Laura KJ said that she had spoken to individuals who remembered lifetimes where they were aliens.

My second last life was that of a southern Louisiana French man who ended up fighting in the civil war of the US. Instead of taking time off to 'work' on dealing with that experience, I went into a form of exercising that one out..as an alien on a alien planet. One where I was still in knowing to a degree and kept trying to get my fellow slaves to look to the skies, to understand that there was something further than the end of the day where the beatings and work would cease. for a day. A very dark place and planet. I was the original force of one on that planet, and I've no idea if it took hold.

I came into this one, right away, once again, with no breaks and suffered a massive hangover of the daily beatings from the last, that came right into this one, right at birth. I can identify with wanting freedom, slavery, and daily beatings until dead, yes. I did that for about 40 years, and died. I never broke, I fought for them the whole time. Oddly enough, or not...the two dogs I had in this life, were the same. They had not one ounce of give and could not be trained, in any form at all. Both had wolf stock. But perfectly connected -on the psychic level. So, not only alien memories, but the immediate last life. Oh yes, one human one about 2000 years back.

We each have these sort of memories. They can be recalled. I'm as white European as I could possibly get in this life, but, yeah, bro, down with the man! :p

[Mark]

I came into this one, right away, once again, with no breaks and suffered a massive hangover of the daily beatings from the last, that came right into this one, right at birth. I can identify with wanting freedom, slavery, and daily beatings until dead, yes. I did that for about 40 years, and died. I never broke, I fought for them the whole time. Oddly enough, or not...the two dogs I had in this life, were the same. They had not one ounce of give and could not be trained, in any form at all. Both had wolf stock. But perfectly connected -on the psychic level. So, not only alien memories, but the immediate last life. Oh yes, one human one about 2000 years back.

We each have these sort of memories. They can be recalled. I'm as white European as I could possibly get in this life, but, yeah, bro, down with the man! :p

LOL The man is going down. An understanding of reality that extends past the daily grind and the trials and tribulations of a particular incarnation is mandatory in order to be able to encompass the compassion necessary to progress spiritually. Different lifetimes can certainly do it, when you have experiences that are directly oppositional to the previous ones, linearly speaking. Also, within each lifetime I think our genetic cellular databases give us access to greater soul groups that we also have to work out during this particular lifetime as well that may even be more important to what is happening here and now. You being of "white European" stock and my being of mixed-breed African, European and Asian (native American) stock. I think recalling such lifetimes is a good method for those who are able. I don't know how. How do you do it?

[Carmody]

i did the first two spontaneously, at the age of 13. the Louisiana french one and then the alien one. No meditation at the time, but before I discovered my ego-body's favorite method of maintaining control...narcotics. specifically that of the cannabinoids. This blocks rem and disallows forward motion in growth, which occurs in the rest stage of the body, in normal development. the third, which was at the age of 37 or so, took place in explorations of deep mediation, on where even the murmurings of the brain-stem had been silenced and I had stepped into the sleepless state.

I found out later that going into the sleepless state is inevitable, if one does kundalini exercises at night.... and Chakra cleansing and opening of the pathways via kundalini flow through the entire channel.

I went pure vegetarian, blessed my food and water, and developed a method creating a more true form of nano silver in a 'charged' way, which I consumed daily (the thread is in the alternative medicine area). I was meditating a good 4 hours per day, minimum..and used self hypnosis to remember every detail of my life that was difficult and embarrassing, right to the point of birth.

I did a slow regression to birth, taking weeks at a time to process each difficult moment to remove the mental complexes that had built around each one. i re-lived the moments and times, in their entirety and would not leave each one until I could re-live them with no untoward emotions.

for a while there, I was in one space, of about a month, like that of a two week old child, same emotional states and timing between. No capacity to control, no capacity to remember names, the whole works. A real and complete regression. Difficult I tell you, as I was working sales at the time. Imagine doing that, and not being able to hold yourself emotionally together for more than 5-10 minutes at a time. Like a two week old kid. I spiraled myself down, but i took over a year, to do it.

This, as I did the silencing of the ego mind,and the kundalini. it was excruciatingly difficult, due to the stresses and I was also working out daily and was in stunningly good health. so, I ended up with tremendous kundalini potential, and a mind totally clear, no bad vibrations, stocked up on silver based monatomics in the body..and dead silent mind and brainstem. Almost no ego function.

I could do things like wave an arm, and press a thought to a large flock of birds in a field, at a distance..and cause them to all burst from the ground simultaneously. some trickery was involved in things like that, for I was projecting being inside a violent death of one of them, as a shock wave at them..and they would all get the call to disperse as one of them had died suddenly from predator attack. Not so nice a thing to do, but fairly harmless, as long as it did not extend beyond that, for something like the one exercise or test. I had to be careful, as I was so whacked with energy that I could cause problems for all around me, with too much manifested but 'Verklempt' energy. at one point I was interested in the pyramid's function and i started looking at it, and that is when the 2000 year old life came to me, in hyper real memory fashion.

In essence, the high level of energy and clarity, combined with the meditation brought the life memory to me. I was at the point that I could have moved into doing other things, like moving with no need for vehicles and such, as the tulpas, temporal dream sequences of the future and such, and astral projection were extreme in level.

I went to pre-birth, remembered my birth and remembered and relived being in the womb. I went to the time where the soul meets the body for the first time and joins with it. THAT is when the whole thing burst into the dimensional-reality state.

I had one foot in each world...and I had to make a decision. I made a choice to come back fully to the now..and reintegrate into normal spaces again.

I knew where freedom from all was, but I decided that I was not done yet.

to not go into paradise, but to go back into the desert...and find more people to bring to that oasis.

[Mark]

In essence, the high level of energy and clarity, combined with the meditation brought the life memory to me. I was at the point that I could have moved into doing other things, like moving with no need for vehicles and such, as the tulpas, temporal dream sequences of the future and such, and astral projection were extreme in level.

I went to pre-birth, remembered my birth and remembered and relived being in the womb. I went to the time where the soul meets the body for the first time and joins with it. THAT is when the whole thing burst into the dimensional-reality state.

I had one foot in each world...and I had to make a decision. I made a choice to come back fully to the now..and reintegrate into normal spaces again.

I knew where freedom from all was, but I decided that I was not done yet.

to not go into paradise, but to go back into the desert...and find more people to bring to that oasis.

Amazing recounting, thank you for sharing one potential pathway with us. I've approximated much of that but never all at the same time. LOL The lifetime recapitulation seems to be the key aspect in reconciling an incarnation and being able to move forward. It seems to have been a large and difficult part of your own journey. Would you state that knowing your previous incarnations is necessary in order to achieve a higher state of consciousness? Or is being able to work with its remnants in one's current life enough?

So you chose the Bodhisattva route. I thank you, on behalf of ALL sentient BEings! :)

[000]

We each have these sort of memories. They can be recalled.

Yes :D

Where my lives are concerned I have had only one other human form life in this world, in linear time immediately previous to this one. That life crept back up in May~ of this year and I had to contend with it for a while to sort some things out and cauterize some open lines which were still open, and it was all planned by me for that to happen to catalyze some things in this life and close some loops caused by that life. It now exists on my entire life-grid (past-parallel present-future all at once) solely as a record of time slices to be referenced from for use in this life.

I was no one important, just a typical rebellious punk, the peak of my life around the 1970s~. I died young, most likely in my late 20s or 30s. There was heroin use which may or may not have been the cause of death. I have heard that birth marks can sometimes be residual physical echoes from past lives, and I happen to have one which would fit a knife wound on my chest just below my rib cage on the left side of my body. Logically it could have punctured my left lung, *maybe* one of the chambers of my heart. That is yet to be investigated though and currently is not very important to me so I don't bother to look into it.

Prior to this world, my life existed (still exists, this life is only a physical projection where part of a hypersoul extends into a physical body until its job is complete) in a universe other than this one. One 'which this universe emerged from' as far as I have understood, but not remembered enough to confirm, so I leave it as extra-universal. I have no physical form there as one would think of as physical in the 3-dimensional sense. It is a form primarily of light with a curiously still humanoid form, which can be altered at will, and has 'wing like' forms extending from it, as well as a kind of veil like dress which covers the entire energy-body but still showing the 'face' a little bit. When others remote view me as a being in that form it always seems to be female, and even though I am currently in a male body, my behavior is very 'feminine'. My partner is human female but behaves more masculine often, so it's an interesting blend to say the least.

The works of Dolores Cannon are worth investigating for those new to this or curious about it for themselves. I can say for sure that reading her work will make you feel a lot less lonely, which is often the case when you haven't been here for long and your body doubts a lot of what visions you are being shown of yourself. I've been 'fortunate' enough to end up meeting friends/family/'colleagues' I've known for a while who are also alive in bodies here at the moment. It makes for a rich and interesting experience... meeting each other in a more dense level of The Dream :)

Some people think it's a special thing but it's really not because so very many others from all over are here doing what they signed up for to help this world, a lot of them quietly, and I prefer to do it quietly too, through music and visuals. Quietude has strategic advantages which in this life for me have been optimal. I'm definitely not the only one doing the same kind of work. Two components in my case, during physical waking linear time I create, and when I leave my body behind at night, it's all about harassing the bad guys, fairly brutally at sometimes, and I wonder how I'm even allowed to do that, but it seems to happen regularly. I never really know who the specific people are, I just know immediately in those states exactly what I have to do with them and it ends up being done, and then at some point I'll see something in the news when I'm physically awake which seems to relate. It's a bit trippy sometimes so I try not to dig too deep unless I have to. Remote Viewing and Influencing have been common in my life since birth although for a long while I did not know that is what was happening, it was just some thing that happened and I thought everyone else had at the same intensity. Much easier to do work out of body though. Energy flows much easier in those realms.

Where parasitic entities are concerned, yes, there are some, and I have experienced a couple and 'dealt' with them very quickly and efficiently and moved on from them. They can only do what they do if one gives them consent to do so. If you say no, there is nothing they can do about it, you're all far stronger than they are and could easily 'take them out'. I've never really encountered reptile or amphibious beings before. The bad ones I've encountered were always in abstract forms or were taking on human avatars. I don't see as many as I used to though. They have learned to stay away a bit :)

Recently there was an encounter with some 'elite' types who were finely dressed and at a meeting in a very refined looking building. An older female with short/medium white hair was being their lookout and when I entered the room she said something like 'how did you get in here?' or 'what are you doing here?' and I just floated towards the table where the finely dressed men were at (they looked like they were right out of the late 1800s) and I did what was to be done. It wasn't visually pleasant and was very fast and I don't really like to think about it but they were dealt with. Few days after I noticed a sort of 'surge' in the whole Euro financial thing with all kinds of treaty related stuff failing miserably. It's most certainly not me alone though. There are thousands! And all of humanity is having an impact just by rejecting them outright, just by conscious choice. So slowly but surely, the toxicity is being removed from this world by everyone who chooses for it to be removed :) It grows exponentially stronger the more people choose for it to happen.

Everyone's timelines as a lifegrid is like an individual private universe, and when all the lifegrids are out of sync, it's like television static and there is no clear decision because everyone is all over the place (this is the state of being that parasites take advantage of), but when lifegrids of everyone begin to synchronize with each other, clearer choices emerge, and good things begin to be created and happen. Intention is so powerful when everyone does it together!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZJJO9wXWcY

We have them surrounded :) They are not boiling the frog of the people, the people are boiling the frog that is them ;) We're popping their malfunctioning lifegrids out of existence gradually! Just by focusing coherently on their removal from this world, we inject our will into their consciousnesses and their lifegrids fray and burst. That's how the anti-toxin method of remote influencing works. The other half is the world we are creating to replace the mess they have left behind with, which is the opposite of bursting a lifegrid.

Also, a thought I would like to tack on... consider 'negative entities' for a moment, that they potentially could be 'training daemons' of sorts, and partially creations of beings who need to learn to let go of fear. Evolution sometimes is a result of stress, learning to know what it is and to let go of it, and create non-stress. Just something for consideration.

[RedeZra]

Examine the life of Satya Sai Baba and you will see an adept who could bilocate, manifest solid objects out of thin air, speak any language, ancient or modern, teleport himself to any part of the planet, heal any disease, know any person's thoughts and manipulate weather and terrain to name just a few.

Jesus the Christ did say, "And great things than these shall you do also", meaning that we are capable of manifesting what people call miracles. Sai Baba said simply that they were just part of his nature, the same nature we would be when we came to embody pure love.



a sorcerer summons spirits and recive skills from spirits

a saint summons Spirit and recive skills from Spirit


where spirit is finite Spirit is God


an Avatar of God is Spirit of God in a body and so replete with the Will of God

[DNA]

Hi Jeanette, most who study this topic would agree with me. We have a number of bodies. I haven't studied theory nearly as much as many people, and I know there is a lot of information out there that might give you a much more in-depth answer than mine. My understanding is based on personal experience and knowing.

Here is a partial list of the other bodies we have
1) the physical body
2) the emotional body
3) the mental body
4) the astral body
5) the etheric body
6) the causal body
I'm pretty sure there are more, but these are the ones I am conscious of.

The body I use most often to tell me about the world (other than my physical body with its 5 senses) is the etheric one. It has eyes and can both see and experience ether, prana, energy and so on.

What you probably want to know is how to activate your conscious awareness of the signals these bodies are giving you. There are so many paths to awareness. Mine has been through meditation and spending many hours in nature. I have taken the time to write about one of the most powerful meditation exercises I am aware of here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34696-Breatharianism-and-living-on-Prana-a-how-to-guide

You may like to try the above technique or you may be led to other paths. Follow your own inner guidance.

Dawn

I think this is a very important point, and it's my conjecture that through meditaiton, many of us strengthen and power up different aspects of our totallity, as such this is why many of us have so many differing stories to tell in connection with these events. We all have atrophied vehicles for perception, and the activation of what specific "perception" or sensory organ, will depend on the individual and the discipline they use.

I'm sure the different bodies you speak of have their own specific areas for perception when activated.

[Star Tsar]

GOTTA love big Dave he don't half work hard!

[Carmody]

I came into this one, right away, once again, with no breaks and suffered a massive hangover of the daily beatings from the last, that came right into this one, right at birth. I can identify with wanting freedom, slavery, and daily beatings until dead, yes. I did that for about 40 years, and died. I never broke, I fought for them the whole time. Oddly enough, or not...the two dogs I had in this life, were the same. They had not one ounce of give and could not be trained, in any form at all. Both had wolf stock. But perfectly connected -on the psychic level. So, not only alien memories, but the immediate last life. Oh yes, one human one about 2000 years back.

We each have these sort of memories. They can be recalled. I'm as white European as I could possibly get in this life, but, yeah, bro, down with the man! :p

LOL The man is going down. An understanding of reality that extends past the daily grind and the trials and tribulations of a particular incarnation is mandatory in order to be able to encompass the compassion necessary to progress spiritually. Different lifetimes can certainly do it, when you have experiences that are directly oppositional to the previous ones, linearly speaking. Also, within each lifetime I think our genetic cellular databases give us access to greater soul groups that we also have to work out during this particular lifetime as well that may even be more important to what is happening here and now. You being of "white European" stock and my being of mixed-breed African, European and Asian (native American) stock. I think recalling such lifetimes is a good method for those who are able. I don't know how. How do you do it?

As soon as I saw those post images from the young lady in china, of the old age home, my body and psyche just freaked.

adrenalin surge, world wobbles, balls curl up, legs fail, the whole 9 yards.

On that alien world, we lived in basically the equivalent of cement dormitories. I was separated eventually, as I spoke to too many of them about freedom and greater things, things that given world had no knowledge of. I spoke to and with them in the non working time. I was influencing them, so I was separated. then specially selected for further abuse. They needed to set an example and I needed to set one too. Which was: 'no surrender, at any price'.

We essentially had the equivalent of a loin cloth for clothes, not much more than that. Sleeping on cold cement, for forty years and then dying from it all, on that cold cement....

So cold. Never warm, dying cold, on cold cement.

To me, safety lies in..... simply ...being warm.

[Mark]

As soon as I saw those post images from the young lady in china, of the old age home, my body and psyche just freaked.

adrenalin surge, world wobbles, balls curl up, legs fail, the whole 9 yards.

On that alien world, we lived in basically the equivalent of cement dormitories. I was separated eventually, as I spoke to too many of them about freedom and greater things, things that given world had no knowledge of. I spoke to and with them in the non working time. I was influencing them, so I was separated. then specially selected for further abuse. They needed to set an example and I needed to set one too. Which was: 'no surrender, at any price'.

We essentially had the equivalent of a loin cloth for clothes, not much more than that. Sleeping on cold cement, for forty years and then dying from it all, on that cold cement....

So cold. Never warm, dying cold, on cold cement.

To me, safety lies in..... simply ...being warm.

I understand. I've been there in this lifetime. LOL Not to that extreme, but that is the blessing of my choice of incarnation, I think, the family, the situation, the life path that I was born into alongside my kin group, ethnicity and greater soul grouping. I looked at those images and saw my family. Saw the greater human condition in underdeveloped countries and the underdeveloped people and part of the developed countries. All of this is a function of this discussion, the potentiality of greater realities that support and guide our current reality. Larger truths masked as mundane reality. The poor versus the rich, the haves versus the have nots. Those who control versus those who are controlled.

[another bob]

So is achieving enlightenment according to the Buddhist tradition. potentially the same level of Being as a Toltec Shaman/Warrior/Sorcerer?

Greetings, Friend!

In answer to your inquiry, I would say no, not at all.

Take Milarepa for example. He started out as a "Brujo", a magician/shaman/warrior skilled in energy manipulation, but had to undergo a massive revolution in vibrational life and consciousness in order to approach Buddhist enlightenment.

Of course, there are many schools within Buddhism, and each one has a somewhat different take on what actually constitutes "enlightenment". Moreover, their descriptions will again vary from the view of Advaita regarding liberation, which in turn varies from, say, that of Kashmir Shaivism. I''m including an interesting link at the bottom discussing the differences between Buddhist concepts of Nirvana with that of Moksha in Advaita.

To address this all in the context of the thread topic, it's interesting that, in Tibetan Buddhist lore, Shakyamuni was assisted by two reptilian beings called Nagas in achieving his final awakening. Apparently they shared some potent mantras with him that pushed him through to daylight. These Nagas are very high-level beings, rumored to have been around long before humans walked the earth.

I did happen to run into one very wise and intriguing fellow a few years back who claimed to have encountered one of these multidimensional Naga beings in Mt. Shasta, who proceeded to share a trove of esoteric knowledge with the guy. From what I could tell, it sounded rather legitimate.

Lately I've come to the realization that no human has ever attained true enlightenment, and that the great masters in history actually came in "with their lights on." Indeed, enlightenment is our actual state in our Light Being form, which we temporarily set aside in order to have this human experience. Some of us might experience a taste of awakening while in human form, but if sustained, it would literally vaporize us, since our physical apparatus is not built to handle that level of luminous intensity in 3-D, nor is that why we come "here" in the first place.

Consequently, I'd now say that all seeking for enlightenment is a waste of our brief time here, although the elimination of "non-enlightened" qualities such as greed, hated, and ignorance, craving and aversion, will provide the necessary impetus to graduate from this rock and move "up".


http://ccbs.ntu.edu.tw/FULLTEXT/JR-AN/26715.htm

:yo:

[Mark]

In answer to your inquiry, I would say no, not at all.

( ... )

Lately I've come to the realization that no human has ever attained true enlightenment, and that the great masters in history actually came in "with their lights on." Indeed, enlightenment is our actual state in our Light Being form, which we temporarily set aside in order to have this human experience. Some of us might experience a taste of awakening while in human form, but if sustained, it would literally vaporize us, since our physical apparatus is not built to handle that level of luminous intensity in 3-D, nor is that why we come "here" in the first place.

Consequently, I'd now say that all seeking for enlightenment is a waste of our brief time here, although the elimination of "non-enlightened" qualities such as greed, hated, and ignorance, craving and aversion, will provide the necessary impetus to graduate from this rock and move "up".


I really like that final statement of yours, it resonates, Also your point about the advanced souls getting here already geared to express their highest potentiality. Interesting information regarding the serpent-beings as well, those kinds of stories are rife in mythologies around the world, such folk being associated with the civilizing impetus as knowledge-bringers. 'When you say, "move up", where do you believe we are moving up to?

[Aetheric Traveler]

'When you say, "move up", where do you believe we are moving up to?

The next step for whatever that may be for any particular being, as we are all different. What may be the next step for me, might be quite different for 10,000 people who seem just like me, but are not, looking at it on a Cosmic Level of inner vibration.

[Carmody]

In essence, the high level of energy and clarity, combined with the meditation brought the life memory to me. I was at the point that I could have moved into doing other things, like moving with no need for vehicles and such, as the tulpas, temporal dream sequences of the future and such, and astral projection were extreme in level.

I went to pre-birth, remembered my birth and remembered and relived being in the womb. I went to the time where the soul meets the body for the first time and joins with it. THAT is when the whole thing burst into the dimensional-reality state.

I had one foot in each world...and I had to make a decision. I made a choice to come back fully to the now..and reintegrate into normal spaces again.

I knew where freedom from all was, but I decided that I was not done yet.

to not go into paradise, but to go back into the desert...and find more people to bring to that oasis.

Amazing recounting, thank you for sharing one potential pathway with us. I've approximated much of that but never all at the same time. LOL The lifetime recapitulation seems to be the key aspect in reconciling an incarnation and being able to move forward. It seems to have been a large and difficult part of your own journey. Would you state that knowing your previous incarnations is necessary in order to achieve a higher state of consciousness? Or is being able to work with its remnants in one's current life enough?

So you chose the Bodhisattva route. I thank you, on behalf of ALL sentient BEings! :)

I think that dealing with the given life one is in, is enough to open the door. Just my direct experience. The self hypnotism is similar to what Micheal Newton does, but I did it on my own, cleansing my way down through my life. This, so I would be perfectly clear. Essentially, the damage carry over from the lack of clearing the prior life..was giving me tremendous grief. I had things buried down there from before the creation of conscious thought. The emotional core design..was shifted slightly. As stated, the damage was carried forward into manifestation in THIS life.

I had to find it and fix it, otherwise I was not willing to go on, period. Age and timing wise, an echo of the prior life, and the situations. It was going to get fixed, Or I was going to die in the attempt. I gave myself no other option. Basically, I had three lives to clear, all at the same time.

Louisiana French -civil war, alien slave as a result.... and this one, up until the age of 37. So yes, in essence, if one has cleansed themselves of the life they are living now, I see no problem in getting into direct contact with the source field energies, on some level.

I proved that, by clearing three at the same time, and surviving it. By myself.

Note to people: Stop that ego whining, it can be done. What is one lousy life clearing? Why... I did it with two lives tied behind my back! Up hill! Both ways! (ye old walking to school joke/routine)

[000]

So cold. Never warm, dying cold, on cold cement.

To me, safety lies in..... simply ...being warm.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPzU1Uz8ujw

Potent dreamers' song. Key line "Misery Inspires" [Full Lyrics (http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/The-Royal-We-lyrics-Silversun-Pickups/11A5F8296F7C8F1348257593000C4A2E)]. That was what my heroin soaked first Earth-life was about.

Also notice in the video the heart carved into the tree stump (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_Jesse), the dreamers' tree ;)

[another bob]

'When you say, "move up", where do you believe we are moving up to?

Greetings, Friend!

To your inquiry,

I'd briefly submit that, in the scale of the totality of universal manifestation, this particular motel where we currently hang our hat would be considered something akin to a Gulag in comparison to what's freely available to us in our native Light Beingness, a few levels up in awareness.

Once greed, envy, hatred, and delusion are seen through and discarded, we become fit for "bigger things", you might say, like undiluted access to all of our innate spiritual powers, including access to the knowledge of the universe, the ability to instantly manifest physical reality, multiple simultaneous levels of awareness, unconditional love, total recall, and much more.

Regardless of the metaphors (prison, kindergarten classroom, boot camp, nightmare, war zone, etc.), what it seems to come down to is a matter of restriction. Indeed, if we were talking about a place with even more restriction than we typically endure here during the course of our spiritual amnesia, we'd probably have to refer to the animal, hungry ghost, or hell realms (as colorfully portrayed in the Buddhist schemata of the 31 planes of existence, for example).


http://www.accesstoinsight.org/ptf/dhamma/sagga/loka.html

:yo:

[Mark]

I think that dealing with the given life one is in, is enough to open the door. Just my direct experience. The self hypnotism is similar to what Micheal Newton does, but I did it on my own, cleansing my way down through my life. This, so I would be perfectly clear. Essentially, the damage carry over from the lack of clearing the prior life..was giving me tremendous grief. I had things buried down there from before the creation of conscious thought. The emotional core design..was shifted slightly. As stated, the damage was carried forward into manifestation in THIS life.

I had to find it and fix it, otherwise I was not willing to go on, period. Age and timing wise, an echo of the prior life, and the situations. It was going to get fixed, Or I was going to die in the attempt. I gave myself no other option. Basically, I had three lives to clear, all at the same time.

Louisiana French -civil war, alien slave as a result.... and this one, up until the age of 37. So yes, in essence, if one has cleansed themselves of the life they are living now, I see no problem in getting into direct contact with the source field energies, on some level.

I proved that, by clearing three at the same time, and surviving it. By myself.

Note to people: Stop that ego whining, it can be done. What is one lousy life clearing? Why... I did it with two lives tied behind my back! Up hill! Both ways! (ye old walking to school joke/routine)

Getting through the current life, I think, is often the kicker. Since it is the culmination karmically of the previous ones, it seems that all of the issues that were left over would cascade into lived experience currently. I'm sure, if that is so, it was quite helpful in determining exactly what issues that originated in each lifetime had to be addressed through your clearing. Also in regards to the present life, I think it is the ego-whining that you castigate that is the primary stop sign. And if the purpose of this thread and the others we have been shifting through is any indication, we may not be the only ones in our heads urging us to just wallow in our problems and remain slave to our desires. What if the control system includes karma and the chakras? Basically reincarnating is the same as recycling, to be used over and over again. So many layers to uncover, but only to reveal a truth startling in its simplicity.

[Carmody]

'When you say, "move up", where do you believe we are moving up to?

Greetings, Friend!

To your inquiry,

I'd briefly submit that, in the scale of the totality of universal manifestation, this particular motel where we currently hang our hat would be considered something akin to a Gulag in comparison to what's freely available to us in our native Light Beingness, a few levels up in awareness.

Once greed, envy, hatred, and delusion are seen through and discarded, we become fit for "bigger things", you might say, like undiluted access to all of our innate spiritual powers, including access to the knowledge of the universe, the ability to instantly manifest physical reality, multiple simultaneous levels of awareness, unconditional love, total recall, and much more.

Regardless of the metaphors (prison, kindergarten classroom, boot camp, nightmare, war zone, etc.), what it seems to come down to is a matter of restriction. Indeed, if we were talking about a place with even more restriction than we typically endure here during the course of our spiritual amnesia, we'd probably have to refer to the animal, hungry ghost, or hell realms (as colorfully portrayed in the Buddhist schemata of the 31 planes of existence, for example).


http://www.accesstoinsight.org/ptf/dhamma/sagga/loka.html

:yo:

It kinda feels like I'm stuck in a wide ranging bar fight that I somehow have to finish. The best happens when I simply give up and let it shine. When I drop the carrying of the load of the entire pantheon of various pressures.

[modwiz]

I came into this one, right away, once again, with no breaks and suffered a massive hangover of the daily beatings from the last, that came right into this one, right at birth. I can identify with wanting freedom, slavery, and daily beatings until dead, yes. I did that for about 40 years, and died. I never broke, I fought for them the whole time. Oddly enough, or not...the two dogs I had in this life, were the same. They had not one ounce of give and could not be trained, in any form at all. Both had wolf stock. But perfectly connected -on the psychic level. So, not only alien memories, but the immediate last life. Oh yes, one human one about 2000 years back.

We each have these sort of memories. They can be recalled. I'm as white European as I could possibly get in this life, but, yeah, bro, down with the man! :p

LOL The man is going down. An understanding of reality that extends past the daily grind and the trials and tribulations of a particular incarnation is mandatory in order to be able to encompass the compassion necessary to progress spiritually. Different lifetimes can certainly do it, when you have experiences that are directly oppositional to the previous ones, linearly speaking. Also, within each lifetime I think our genetic cellular databases give us access to greater soul groups that we also have to work out during this particular lifetime as well that may even be more important to what is happening here and now. You being of "white European" stock and my being of mixed-breed African, European and Asian (native American) stock. I think recalling such lifetimes is a good method for those who are able. I don't know how. How do you do it?

As soon as I saw those post images from the young lady in china, of the old age home, my body and psyche just freaked.

adrenalin surge, world wobbles, balls curl up, legs fail, the whole 9 yards.

On that alien world, we lived in basically the equivalent of cement dormitories. I was separated eventually, as I spoke to too many of them about freedom and greater things, things that given world had no knowledge of. I spoke to and with them in the non working time. I was influencing them, so I was separated. then specially selected for further abuse. They needed to set an example and I needed to set one too. Which was: 'no surrender, at any price'.

We essentially had the equivalent of a loin cloth for clothes, not much more than that. Sleeping on cold cement, for forty years and then dying from it all, on that cold cement....

So cold. Never warm, dying cold, on cold cement.

To me, safety lies in..... simply ...being warm.

One of the reasons I need to get out of the NE is for a similar reason. Death by cold. Not after such a wretched life though. If cold makes my body shiver I get a little freaked out. When cold gets to my core it elicits a memory of a process that led to a death. When people tell me they enjoy the cold I can only think that it can kill me. Our biology is not suited to the cold. Any failure of technology, clothes being a form of technology, means death in a cold climate. Sweating is security for me.

Your description of your death is one I can feel. The utter loneliness is another aspect that makes your story particularly sad.

[another bob]

[QUOTE=another bob;378726]The best happens when I simply give up and let it shine. When I drop the carrying of the load of the entire pantheon of various pressures.

"If you let go

of everything, everything,

everything --

that's the real point!"

~Patrul Rinpoche

:yo:

[modwiz]

[QUOTE=another bob;378726]The best happens when I simply give up and let it shine. When I drop the carrying of the load of the entire pantheon of various pressures.

"If you let go

of everything, everything,

everything --

that's the real point!"

~Patrul Rinpoche

:yo:

The wisdom of that piece by the Rinpoche is that it brings quiet. In the quiet no whispers can influence us. In the quiet we can find Source. Sweet,simple and powerfully true.

[Carmody]

Taken from the 'here and now' thread, this morning's waking muse:

and as i come into 'awareness' (morning waking) i realize that i am not coming into awareness, but taking on forgetfulness.

As I add in the different senses, I realize that I am taking on 'time' as it is seen from here.

that time is not a forward thing... but forward motion broken down into discrete bits that communicate across one another with and through the loss of the now or the loss of forward motion. That time is forward broken into discrete chunks of moving backward...--but still moving forward, if we remember and concentrate on this knowing.

As I add in the senses the loss of the now becomes more acute.

like slipping on a glove thumb, with holes in various spots (like a Mr Potato-head) that I look through for and in... the various components we call senses. they do not enlargen into awareness on wakefulness, but limit awareness into this group of senses we call awareness. consciousness as we call it here is a duality or layered automaton for 'living' in this space of discrete bits of backward motions of forward motion. Those bits that are only valid while traveling backward in time sensing these bits of awareness that are broken up.

Forward and backward, awareness exists across them. That is 'human', in 3d reality and so called forward time.

Linear time is a trap of broken shattered singularity, broken up into nanoshards that are moving backward...bits of flowing sand that are marginally in contact with one another..and through those bits of polarized contact with one another that we call the physics of particle science..this is the channel of awareness for 3d temporal space. Nothing more. the thing I call awareness here is little more than an inflatable glove thumb with senses and bits pasted onto it like some sort of emergent Mr. Potatohead.

Since each spinning vortex of dimensional energy (meeting each other) has some component of all of the involved dimensions within it, the differing bits that have contact through these angular entry points to the particles..those dimensions are either working together (those greater beings) or against..for control of the given organized space or organized place of nano-shards of dimensional vortexes.

So 'reality' is shattered/integrating dimensional energy vortexes, which are looking backward in time across one another, at this broken aspect of forward time..that exists, discretely..within each.

It is possibly...a factional war over the ownership of the organization and control of the discrete bits.

Or, possibly, a school of greater complexity for dimensions (and their associated beings) that have less contact in the temporal manner than that which exists 'here'. This space, I suspect is in greater balance of the angular entry or polarization of the dimensional (dimensions) meeting/connecting, and thus is the slowest or best 50/50 mix of forward backward discreteness that is possible in these dimensions. In this, it has the most varied experience possible. Just a guess.

For example, in David Wilcock's latest book, he recounts a situation where if one takes seeds (done as experiments by a corporation involved in crops/seeds) and electrifies them as they germinate, they revert to the ORIGINAL form they came from, the strongest and most robust original form. Not the modern weak ones, but the original robust one. basically they devolve in one sense, to the original animal. The original character.

when pyramids are placed in and on land, big ones... the area around the pyramids explodes with previously extinct plant life.

We have a situation where someone is attempting to poison us with radiation, to break us down.

When radioactive materials are put in pyramids, the radiation breaks down.

Nickolai Kozyrev says that aluminum slows or blocks aetheric, 'out of time' energies. Source field energies.

The sun is apparently emitting a particle that is outside of time or..it is breaking down radiation faster. does the same thing that pyramids do. reverts to the original animal, the original plant, the original organization.

Someone is filling the skies with aluminum particles and barium particles.

That is why you end up with technological blockages like this (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8458-2.85-billion-fewer-polluting-cars-on-the-road....for-60M&p=378754&viewfull=1#post378754).

The point is that within perfected superconductive current flow, in that specific 'polarized electron orbital channel'....time does not exist. Dimensional singularity.

Thus, when we polarize the energies of the seed with voltage and thus a minimal form of organization of current flow, or plasma organization and flow....the seed returns to it's proper original state.


~~~~~~~~~

Essentially... letting go brings the power of the now back. Dropping the reflection of the nanoshard temporal (combined dimensional energy vortexes of discrete nature..in minimal contact) awareness, brings everything back into sync so this space can be corrected.

If they keep you in emotional REACTION (see above on what time is, a backward reflection of minimal forward motion), they keep you at the most base level of awareness, and out of knowing and being.

emotionally dominated thoughts are physically dominated thoughts are 3d dominated thoughts.

[Beren]

So, plainly said, the roman catholic bible and associated apparatus.... requires your fear.

They specifically killed off the ones in their midst who preach love, or truth. The orthodox sects, The councils of Nicaea, the shift of Saturn's feast day... to being Christ's birthday in order to capture those energies for 'Saturn', etc.....the believers in psychic energies, the thread on hell is an invention of the church. and so on.

Love would dissolve a need for all of it --- to exist.

Look at that federal reserve thingie and then the pyramid with the eye, again.

The list of energetic leeches is nearly endless. Real or not?

We get into the complexity of what is real, when the universe is one of co-creation in a sea of energies.

WILL is creation and the stability of life. Which is why we were created with a set of training wheels called duality.... and a body function... which has been held from us. Held until we sit up and take charge of our full selves. When we are individually ready.

That's about it.
Since everything in all universes is connected ,reptilians are sort of mirror image of what we could become.

Mirror mirror on the wall face you show me scares me so...

But alas mirror only shows what WE reflect...

[Amysenthia]

I see that this thread is getting a lot of attention. I just wanted to point everyone to the thread posted yesterday by Bluewool http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/bodysnatchersSusanReed.shtml#1._Introduction. It took me several hours to read this story but found it absolutely fascinating. I have found myself thinking all day about how they could hold a soul captive. I don't even want to imagine great souls like Ghandi and Krishnamirti being imprisoned in this way as was stated in the story. How does one go about protecting their souls from this? Does anyone know???? I would only hope that there are archangels or some force that would not allow this.

I now also understand how they can make people drop dead. It is through the use of high tech, other dimensional weaponry. God please give RON PAUL a vestment of armor against such attacks or he will be dead before the end of the Iowa primaries.

[Black Panther]

I've seen David last Saturday in Amsterdam. It's really worth watching,
but it will take some time to watch all parts :biggrin:
It's now on YouTube. Enjoy!

Part 1
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Part 2
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Part 3
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Part 4
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[Amysenthia]

Saw David in Cleveland on Nov. 12th. Will consider one of the most memorable days. 9 hours flew by. The vibration in the room was intense afterward. Did you notice that also?

[nizkri]

Hi avalonians:cool:, last saturday i was at my first conference show with David Icke (The Lion Sleeps No More) in Amsterdam , i would like to know if anyone was there , and what did you think of the show ??

Peace and infinite love .... Nis:biggrin1:

[Black Panther]

It was great to see David in real life. There was a lot of applause and whisteling.
And of course a standing ovation in the end. From 10 am till 9.30 pm!!
But no boring moments at all.

It was a shame there was not so much time in between the parts.

[Black Panther]

Didn’t you see a Black Panther in the auditorium ?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36723-David-Icke-Around-The-World-As-Humanity-Awakens

[Star Tsar]

Spot on BP!

[kersley]

if you post the whole show here, I'll let you know what I think.. lol

[ExomatrixTV]

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[Cidersomerset]

' Excellent ' David Icke interview he did in Amsterdam 8th Dec 2011.....

Wide rangeing... Always worth a listen imho....

7t8BqM_p7BM

I checked the Title... I don't think this has already been posted ...enjoy ....Steve

He explains the current Euro currency as classic 'Problem Reaction Solution' Merkel,Sarkozy, Greenspan all working for the detriment of humanity...

" " Tesla and free energy and how it was surpressed and still is by the corporations
preventing us having no 'utility' bills.....

Conciousness, Vibration field/ET's, medicine and much more..

[Orobo]

If this is your first interview with David Icke, go for it. Otherwise there is nothing new. Actually a bit of a waste of time.

love, O.

[Cidersomerset]

Merkel & Sarkozey setting the Rothchild agenda for Europe......

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/December20113/sar.jpg


http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/57315-eurozone-countries-bounced-deeper-into-fascistcommunist-superstate-by-global-cabal-problem-reaction-solution

The interview is worth a listen even if you have heard David before , I've heard many
of his interviews and there is always something worth correlating with world events as
he did in this one....

[ktlight]

You know David is going to tell you the truth.

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[ktlight]

David Icke Says Enough! Listen to these young people in Israel.

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[crested-duck]

"There will be no peace on earth untill there is justice for all human beings on earth!"

[Phoenix]

The rage and sadness that dwells inside me is becoming unbearable these days.

[00101]

@phoenix, hold on my friend, hold on .please!

[ktlight]

The rage and sadness that dwells inside me is becoming unbearable these days.

Phoenix, you will probably discover that you can bear much more than you originally thought. Stay strong.

[jackovesk]

You know David is going to tell you the truth.

Indeed ktlight,

David Icke has done the hard yards and come what may has always spoken the 'Truth As He Knows It' regardless of the repercussions.

...unlike some other pissant wankers that have infested the airwaves of late...

No names allowed due to the 'Blindless Cult Followers', who might get upset..!....:Cry:

PS - This one of the best videos I have seen this year, that covers the gambit across the board with the cold hard factual Truth with solutions...

[RMorgan]

The rage and sadness that dwells inside me is becoming unbearable these days.

Hey mate,

Please, don´t give your energy to this stuff. It´s their game, not yours.

Soon enough these guys wont have anyone to govern anymore, because the people is becoming aware that they are just like clowns in a circus. Let them govern each other and we will have a pretty interesting thing to watch.

Live your life mate; They don´t have power over any of us.

These guys are just a bunch of retards in fancy suits. They are just spoiled kids fighting for the last piece of cake. Soon there will be nothing left from the cake and they will start eating each other´s fat asses.

Get your popcorn ready for a hell of a show, my friend.

Cheers,

Raf.

[jackovesk]

The rage and sadness that dwells inside me is becoming unbearable these days.

Hey mate,

Please, don´t give your energy to this stuff. It´s their game, not yours.

Soon enough these guys wont have anyone to govern anymore, because the people is becoming aware that they are just like clowns in a circus. Let them govern each other and we will have a pretty interesting thing to watch.

Live your life mate; They don´t have power over any of us.

These guys are just a bunch of retards in fancy suits. They are just spoiled kids fighting for the last piece of cake. Soon there will be nothing left from the cake and they will start eating each other´s fat asses.

Get your popcorn ready for a hell of a show, my friend.

Cheers,

Raf.

Hi RMorgan,

I hear what your saying, but I have only one SIMPLE question for you and that is...

What are you personally going to do about it..?

[Jenci]

Powerful and uplifting !

I'm listening, thanks for posting.
Jeanette

[Tarka the Duck]

Thanks KT...I've missed you...!

xxxx

[jackovesk]

David Icke Says Enough! Listen to these young people in Israel.

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The Real TRUTH is not only Powerful & Uplifting its Emotional too..!

:bump:

[RMorgan]

The rage and sadness that dwells inside me is becoming unbearable these days.

Hey mate,

Please, don´t give your energy to this stuff. It´s their game, not yours.

Soon enough these guys wont have anyone to govern anymore, because the people is becoming aware that they are just like clowns in a circus. Let them govern each other and we will have a pretty interesting thing to watch.

Live your life mate; They don´t have power over any of us.

These guys are just a bunch of retards in fancy suits. They are just spoiled kids fighting for the last piece of cake. Soon there will be nothing left from the cake and they will start eating each other´s fat asses.

Get your popcorn ready for a hell of a show, my friend.

Cheers,

Raf.

Hi RMorgan,

I hear what your saying, but I have only one SIMPLE question for you and that is...

What are you personally going to do about it..?

Hey Jack,

Unfortunately (or fortunately for me), most of this things are going on in the USA and Europe, so, as I live in Brazil, there´s nothing I can do directly.

However, I act the ways I can.

I´ve been boycotting the system for a long time. My money is on a small local credit union. I don´t use credit cards. I try not to support any product for big corporations, like cloths, processed food, coca-cola company, Apple, etc...

I think boycotting is the best way the send them a message, tell them that enough is enough.

I mean, look at the OWS protesters; They complain about corporations, they complain about the fact that they don´t have a job, but they are wearing cloths made in China, they have computers made in China, they are drinking coke, they eat mcdonalds, they love their ipods and other gadgets...This is just incoherent, and it´s not an effective way to send a message.

Personally, I think we´re the ones who feed this monster, with our money, buying their products. If we stop buying their stuff, we kill the monster.

Also, I´m very recognized in my working field, so I try to always spread good messages trough my work, even if these messages are subtle sometimes.

I also don´t work for any company that, in my view, is walking on the wrong track. This is hard sometimes, but I don´t have any problems in refusing dirty money. I don´t need to say that I don´t get any richer by doing that...

So, basically, I´m trying to live a sustainable life, both personally and professionally, and, of course, I´m trying to be an example for my personal relationship circle and professional circle as well.

I believe in the power of example, Jack. This thing is strong, my friend. :)

However, to be an example, we have to do sacrifices and most people just love complaining about everything but hate to think about changing their life styles.

Cheers,

Raf.

[shamanseeker]

Thanks, Kt! It's important to distribute this msg because these are Jewish people and Israelis who are passing this msg on: I can put this onto facebook without insulting them!

[ktlight]

Thanks, Kt! It's important to distribute this msg because these are Jewish people and Israelis who are passing this msg on: I can put this onto facebook without insulting them!

Brilliant, Shamanseeker.

[ktlight]

"David Icke on Niburu TV. Recorded in December 2011 in Amsterdam, Holland."

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[Peter Kraai]

Icke's in holland ?! I must meet ! :D

[ktlight]

Icke's in holland ?! I must meet ! :D

David was in Amsterdam on December 10th 2011.

[jackovesk]

The rage and sadness that dwells inside me is becoming unbearable these days.

Hey mate,

Please, don´t give your energy to this stuff. It´s their game, not yours.

Soon enough these guys wont have anyone to govern anymore, because the people is becoming aware that they are just like clowns in a circus. Let them govern each other and we will have a pretty interesting thing to watch.

Live your life mate; They don´t have power over any of us.

These guys are just a bunch of retards in fancy suits. They are just spoiled kids fighting for the last piece of cake. Soon there will be nothing left from the cake and they will start eating each other´s fat asses.

Get your popcorn ready for a hell of a show, my friend.

Cheers,

Raf.

Hi RMorgan,

I hear what your saying, but I have only one SIMPLE question for you and that is...

What are you personally going to do about it..?

Hey Jack,

Unfortunately (or fortunately for me), most of this things are going on in the USA and Europe, so, as I live in Brazil, there´s nothing I can do directly.

However, I act the ways I can.

I´ve been boycotting the system for a long time. My money is on a small local credit union. I don´t use credit cards. I try not to support any product for big corporations, like cloths, processed food, coca-cola company, Apple, etc...

I think boycotting is the best way the send them a message, tell them that enough is enough.

I mean, look at the OWS protesters; They complain about corporations, they complain about the fact that they don´t have a job, but they are wearing cloths made in China, they have computers made in China, they are drinking coke, they eat mcdonalds, they love their ipods and other gadgets...This is just incoherent, and it´s not an effective way to send a message.

Personally, I think we´re the ones who feed this monster, with our money, buying their products. If we stop buying their stuff, we kill the monster.

Also, I´m very recognized in my working field, so I try to always spread good messages trough my work, even if these messages are subtle sometimes.

I also don´t work for any company that, in my view, is walking on the wrong track. This is hard sometimes, but I don´t have any problems in refusing dirty money. I don´t need to say that I don´t get any richer by doing that...

So, basically, I´m trying to live a sustainable life, both personally and professionally, and, of course, I´m trying to be an example for my personal relationship circle and professional circle as well.

I believe in the power of example, Jack. This thing is strong, my friend. :)

However, to be an example, we have to do sacrifices and most people just love complaining about everything but hate to think about changing their life styles.

Cheers,

Raf.

Thank you RMorgan for answering my question in the True Spirit it was meant,

I too have done the same type of things, as well as educating family & friends. Blogging the Truth in the comments sections of the MSM papers, calling and emailing, educating those in Politics I know and who want the best for my Country and the World in general...

I was contemplating leaving Avalon due to the influx of the Lovey Dovey New Age types who IMHO will run at the first sight of trouble and never get their Hands Dirty with the on the ground infowar...

We are NOT going to defeat the PTW by playing Mr & Mrs Nice Guy..!

This is REAL, IMHO I am as Spiritually Evolved as most, and Wishing this Draconian Rule away by e.g. Raising One's Vibration, simply isn't going to 'CUT IT'..!

I came hear to do 1 thing and was to share the 'Truth As I Know It' with as many as I can...

Everyones own Truth is valued, but a warning to those who sent me Hatefull PM's because I shared a different version of the Truth & wasn't willing to follow their 'Cult Like' POV on a particular Thread...

Read my Lips...I WILL NOT BE SILENCED ANY LONGER..! Because the PTW are not playing tiddlywinks, they want us (ALL) Suppressed &/or Dead..!

PS - Thanks again to you ktlight for posting this REAL (TRUTHSEEKERS) David Icke's video, it has renewed my only fight here and that is against the PTW..!!!

[Jeffrey]

"Rise like Lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number

Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you

Ye are many - they are few."

Thanks for the video! Very powerful.

:bump:

[aranuk]

That was great KT thank you. David should be awarded the highest honour mankind can give to any person alive.

Stan

[CeltMan]

Thanks KT for sharing.

Listend all the way thru.

However, I missed any ref to Niburu in that interview?

Loved that phrase: "Like trying to explain away mankind's appearance here on Earth, by 'saying that a 747 had been assembled by a tornado blowing through a scapyard'!.".. ..Brilliant...I will DEFINITELY be using that one!

And.....HOORAH, for D.I's setting the record straight about Tesla, who rightly invented Radio,.....NOT Marconi.

Biizarre how texbooks still insist on teaching that it was Marconi who invented radio?!!

[GlassSteagallfan]

Thank you KT! Uplifting to hear voices of peace.

[00101]

@phoenix & ktlight,
..once you go higher, you go lower... i guess till one can go next level we be banging our heads against the ceiling....maybe if we all rise at the same time we bang thru' ..my experience with my surroundings is that we hardly ever rise simultaniously...allways one hops before the other, together climbing allone...

hmm very black n white, not sure if i agree with myself here..bit to compact..

aqnyone


ontopic,
don't believe the hype, let yourselve be opend by what resonates with your system but be weary for digital assult, icke's vid posted above is accompanied with very patriotic mind****ing indoctrinating musick...this allready stops me


one love, one all, one thought

[ktlight]

That was great KT thank you. David should be awarded the highest honour mankind can give to any person alive.

Stan

Aranuk, I agree with you.

CeltMan, the interview was recorded by Niburu TV.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I really like the tone of the activist at the end.
Those who stand in integrity understand that the clarion call of true justice has rung, has been ringing, and will continue to ring until injustice is erradicated.
No more do we have to speak in back rooms to a handful of like-minded. Everyone knows the issues and is well versed in the popular uprisings. Conversations pop up in morning coffee line-ups, on buses, between co-workers, at the dinner table, on our TV shows, to name a few. The particulars are easily disseminated in this timely scenario. I myself, this week alone, have referred one person to the Freeman material, two to Wade Frasier's site, A Healed Planet, and two to Project Camelot Portal. And now we continue our covos at a more sophisticated/integrated level.
Others are doing the same. Many others. This effect will have wide-ranging ramifications in very short order. Some of us will not accept half-measures as solutions any longer. Nor will we allow the lies of the ages to be perpetuated - not on our watch!
I second the idea of a bill of rights for all the peoples of the earth. And not just some rights but individual, comprehensive rights with justice and truth as its cornerstone and foundation.
We will settle for nothing less.
It is only fair.
And good.

[Cidersomerset]

Hi KTlight you may be wondering why you have not had much of a responce for this David interview ? Its because i posted it a couple of days ago...LOL..Steve..

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36980-David-Icke-in-Amsterdam2011-The-New-Reality-Show

[taliesin]

What a great video, thanks for posting ktlight.

Palestine. Palestine must be free. It is at the heart of all injustice.

WOW

[whenyournex2me]

I love David Icke... I really do...

[Carmen]

Wonderful video. Thank you kt

[Ixopoborn]

Wow thanks so much KT. I have an Arab Muslim friend who is almost Avalonian in outlook who I will send a link of this tomorrow.

A most encouraging video!

[Billy]

It is time to fly Israel, When you agree to make a covenent, You choose to commit to an oath, Not the chosen ones, but the ones that have chosen, I was awaiting your awakening and now my heart leaps with joy that your young are awakened. Peace

If Israel can achieve peace then the whole world has peace, I am curious why there are no comments on this thread, is this not good news??? i would appreciate your opinions, http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35867-Iceland-first-in-western-europe-to-recognize-palestinian-state&p=378871#post378871

[Black Panther]

I really like David Icke as I do like Eckhart Tolle :biggrin:. They have a 'little' bit
different characters, I know. But as they say themselves, they aren't
Mr. David Icke of Mr. Eckhart Tolle, the ego. They are consciousness experiencing
itself on Earth, just like we all do. So I don't see them as all-knowing or guru's and
I ain't a fan like people where fan of the Beatles. They have made me understand
that the power they have found lies within. So in the end, if we pretend time exist,
I don't need anyone to learn me things. I will have the connection to
all the knowledge myself. They are examples for us to follow. They are the Peaceful
Warriors in their own way. We can be the Peaceful Warriors, in our OWN way. We
don't have to be famous, we don't have to write books, we don't have to educate
other people. If the intention is there to change the future of humankind in the
right direction we can be really powerful together.


The rage and sadness that dwells inside me is becoming unbearable these days.

I can understand you. You are human. We have emotions. Just don't loose yourself (your real self) in the rage and sadness. They are part of the ego. We have to turn those emotions into power to change the world we live in.

[Jenci]

Excellent video as usual, Klight.
thanks
Jeanette

[jackovesk]

I really like David Icke as I do like Eckhart Tolle :biggrin:. They have a 'little' bit
different characters, I know. But as they say themselves, they aren't
Mr. David Icke of Mr. Eckhart Tolle, the ego. They are consciousness experiencing
itself on Earth, just like we all do. So I don't see them as all-knowing or guru's and
I ain't a fan like people where fan of the Beatles. They have made me understand
that the power they have found lies within. So in the end, if we pretend time exist,
I don't need anyone to learn me things. I will have the connection to
all the knowledge myself. They are examples for us to follow. They are the Peaceful
Warriors in their own way. We can be the Peaceful Warriors, in our OWN way. We
don't have to be famous, we don't have to write books, we don't have to educate
other people. If the intention is there to change the future of humankind in the
right direction we can be really powerful together.


The rage and sadness that dwells inside me is becoming unbearable these days.

I can understand you. You are human. We have emotions. Just don't loose yourself (your real self) in the rage and sadness. They are part of the ego. We have to turn those emotions into power to change the world we live in.

In particular this resonates...


They are consciousness experiencing itself on Earth, just like we all do...

David Icke's ability to 'Tap Into' the Universal Truth before many others is his unique 'Gift' and it has taken a long time for others to catch up...

He's gone from speaking to 1 or 2 people in a room, to 1,000s in large venues and literally Millions through the Internet, and it is only 'NOW' the 'Too Busiers' are starting to get it...

...and what's David's weapon of choice..? THE TRUTH...and that's exactly what they come to Hear...

[pyrangello]

This video was very worth watching as across the globe , humanity is waking up, from flash mobs to music to thousands with banners wanting freedom , helping our neighbors in support whether it be right next door or a thousand miles away in another country is what it's all about . The awakening is happening and these next couple years will be what will turn the course of humanity in what was originally created and intended for all of us. Smile!

[ktlight]

"Exposing the dreamworld we believe to be real Listen to your heart When it`s calling to you. Listen to your heart Theres nothing else you can do. I dont know where you`re going And I dont know why, But listen to your heart Sometimes you wonder if this fight is worthwhile. The precious moments are all lost in the tide, yea. They`re swept away and nothing is what is seems, The feeling of belonging to your dreams. And there are voices That want to be heard. So much to mention But you cant find the words. The scent of magic, The beauty thats been When love was wilder than the wind."

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[ktlight]

Who benefits? is the question to ask yourself.

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[JoshERTW]

Good video

Jack - I agree that there is too much "love and light" talk. I don't bother to complain about it on forums, people believe what they want to believe. I've followed Wilcock and others from time to time, but that whole L&L thing just doesn't do anything for me. Never has.

Its important to hold close the best of intentions for others when performing any action - but sitting around imagining white light streaming in to save us all, is not action. Taking it to the streets is action. Writing protest songs and putting them out on the internet is action. Educating others is action, unless you're going to run around telling people to "focus on love and light" or spread the message of any given "saviour" (GFL etc.) - cause that's not education. That's just saving the co-intel pro crowd a bunch of work.

I say let's make those wankers work hard for their blood money eh? Better yet, bring em around to our side.

[Sidney]

The rage and sadness that dwells inside me is becoming unbearable these days.


Hey Phoenix, Its ok to feel your feelings. Its not a simple thing to just not let it get to you. About a month or so ago, I felt the same as you. It will pass, eventually.

[BestLion]

It seems the Annunaki may be the reptilian aliens. Now are the benevolent or rather evil? What is their agenda? Are they here now in human form?

[DNA]

I hear you BL, but I don't think so. I think it's like Charles Forte says, that numerous civilizations and or Empires have had the earth in their, control.
There is no telling how many species have come and gone since the Annunaki.
I don't know if you have ever checked out Robert Morning Sky's "Terra Papers", but it paints something I could see as being a template of sorts.
It describes the Annunaki as a mammalian evolved intelligent race, closer to our own, and the reptilian race as kind of being a galactic empire of sorts, where as the Annunaki are kind of like the appointed dukes of our area of space.

Now, I"m sure this isn't true, but for me it opens up the idea that it is not going to be a simple cut and dry answer.

Man,,,,this is one of those threads I need to go back and re-read, especially Carmody's posts, if I'm not on my A game I sometimes skip those posts because of the necessary brain candy needed to digest those posts. :)

[truth4me]

excellent video.......

[ktlight]

"Explore the mystery of the 2012 prophecy in a different way than ever before. This film goes deeper than the vague predictions made by ancient prophets and seers; it explores how the earth is in the middle of a transformation that will change the way we live our lives forever.

Understand how these changes we see around us are unfolding right now. Learn the true nature of the Mayan Calendar and understand the workings and meanings of its cycles and end-date and see that not only did the Maya track and measure time, cycles and nature, but they charted a galactic alignment that occurs once every 26,000 years.

Featuring the leading authors in the 2012 genre, including David Icke, Patrick Geryl, Adrian Gilbert, Geoff Stray, Gregg Braden, Annabel Burton, Peter Taylor and John Major Jenkins.

Produced by Winterhill Productions over a period of 18 months travelling around the globe to interview the experts and made in association with Conscious Media Network and Reality Films."

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[ktlight]

"It is the same story over and over, police violence, unrestrained power, and the beating of people with impunity. Actually, I hope that the police perpetuate this violence at a much faster, widespread rate so; this all gets sorted out sooner than later. When the tipping point occurs and it will, I would not want to be a cop with YouTube videos of me beating people. Remember, It is not just the police. It is their bosses, the judges, prosecutors, and attorneys who have allowed them to do this.
jasonbourneabc123 1 day ago"

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[ktlight]

"Rise like Lions after slumber In unvanquishable number Shake your chains to earth like dew Which in sleep had fallen on you Ye are many, they are few - Percy Bysshe Shelley - The Mask of Anarchy Written on the occasion of the massacre carried out by the British Government at Peterloo, Manchester 1819"

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[Jenci]

Great video, thanks Klight.
Jeanette

[apollo41]

hey guys, i came across this a while back? David Icke is Finished interesting stuff, this man has done his research.. i wonder???


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Its Hard? what to Believe?????

[Jenci]

hey guys, i came across this a while back? David Icke is Finished interesting stuff, this man has done his research.. i wonder???



Its Hard? what to Believe?????

Hi Apollo,

I got about 5 mins into the video - David Ickes website is green. Witches are green. Alistair Crowleys face is green......etc

I think if you google anyone in the alternative media area with the word disinfo after, you will find something. I prefer to step back and not be swayed by what someone else is telling me about the person.

On the whole with Icke, I see him as a man who is spiritually awake and who presents his information incredibly well. As time passes, he does this even better and he is speaking openly to big audiences about topics like zionism, which some are fearful to touch.

As with everything keep an open mind and don't be swayed by those who are telling you otherwise.
Jeanette

[ktlight]

[B]Its Hard? what to Believe?????

That person dislikes David Icke intensely, as he admits. He also adds Bill and Kerry into the mix on his website in the middle of all of his rants against DI.

It's like he has a bone to pick and an axe to grind. I personally do not see the point.

[Borden]

Oh that was brilliant. That poor fellow is so hilarious that I found myself wondering if my leg was being pulled. Is he the Ricky Gervais of the conspiracy world? If he is and this is a spoof then I think he is bordering on genius. If he isn't and this is for real ... oh dear. Poor chap. If I were David Icke I would actually pay this guy to keep making his hilarious videos.

Borden

[ktlight]

"WAKE UP EVERYONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BREAK FREE FROM THE SYSTEM !!!!!!
THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT BE TELEVISED !!!!
lemonlimelukey 2 months ago"

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[jackovesk]

A HAPPY NEW YEAR? ...

Friday, 30 December 2011

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/happynewyear.jpg

… ONLY IF WE GET OFF OUR ARSES AND MAKE IT SO...

If we don’t, and big-time, we will regret it for the rest of our lives and our children and grandchildren even more so.

The David Icke Newsletter Goes Out On Sunday

So we are here at last: the all-singing, all-dancing, world famous, 2012. Is it the end of the world? Or the start of a new one? I say neither. Some of the 2012 hype has become just plain silly and we have probably seen nothing yet.

I have been saying since 1990 that we were in the midst of a vibrational change – the result of an information change in the waveform construct of the Universe – which would awaken humanity from its aeons of manipulated slumber. This is now clearly happening as millions upon millions of people worldwide open their minds to another view of self and reality.

I had still more confirmation over the Christmas break when I met people I have known for decades who were suddenly ‘getting it’. They were ‘No, not him or her, they’ll never get it’ people and yet the solidity of their intellectual-vibrational ‘box’ is now being breached by the spontaneous ‘insight’ that they and the world are not what they thought they were.

I have no problem, therefore, with the theme of energetic transformation bringing ‘five-sense’ transformation to human society. I just don't buy the 2012 Mayan calendar stuff, or the interpretation of it, that’s all. For me, the real significance of 2012 is that it is not 2011. But, then, it is not 2013, either.

The energetic/information change that I dubbed the 'Truth Vibrations’ in 1990 is not a one-year wonder. It has been easing its way into the information construct of our experienced reality for decades, especially since the 1980s, and it has been increasing its power and influence ever since ...

... There is also another potential significance for 2012 – how the Control System could exploit the hype and mystique of 2012 to make it seem like the prophecies about the end of the world in their many forms are really happening. This brings me to the gathering storm now targeting almost every aspect of human life.

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/2012doomsday.jpg

No, it's not … but that is what they will want us to believe.

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/58461-a-happy-new-year-only-if-we-get-off-our-arses-and-make-it-so

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[Mark]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGaoXAwl9kw&feature=related
Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGaoXAwl9kw&feature=related

[truth4me]

"WAKE UP EVERYONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BREAK FREE FROM THE SYSTEM !!!!!!
THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT BE TELEVISED !!!!
lemonlimelukey 2 months ago"

rAibS0bJBVwThis video is oh so right. I struggle at times for the energy to work in this system. I see the phoniness of the "show" everywhere. We on a whole truly are slaves. My mind and heart are the only escape.

[pyrangello]

The poster should read " Upsday 2012" , thats going to be my motto everytime I hear the word Doom. Don't get sucked into the vortex ! Right on Icke!