David Icke 2011

[shiva777]

THEY DARE NOT SPEAK ITS NAME ...






... ROTHSCHILD ZIONISM

But to understand the financial crisis, 9/11 and so much more, it must be spoken constantly. As we begin a new year, amid ever-gathering global tyranny, this information is vital for everyone to know.

By David Icke - Davidicke.com

I have written and spoken extensively about the agenda behind the unfolding global financial crisis and here I will expose the coordinating force, or at least the prime one, behind that agenda and so much else, including 9/11.

Most conspiracy researchers either don't realise the fundamental significance of this network or are too frightened to say so if they do. Sod that.

It is widely known as Zionism or, as I call it, more accurately, I suggest ... Rothschild Zionism. I add the 'Rothschild' to constantly emphasise the true creators of Zionism and its controllers to this day (see Human Race Get Off Your Knees).

http://www.davidicke.com/articles/political-manipulation-mainmenu-72/42734-they-dare-not-speak-its-name-rothschild-zionism

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How Zionist lobby shapes UK politics

The wealthy Jewish lobby in Britain working under the title of the Conservative Friends of Israel (CFI) has been tipped as the Conservative Party's paymaster.


The CFI as described by British political analysts is beyond doubt the most well- connected and probably the best funded of all Westminster lobbying groups. It works in support of the interests of the Israeli regime.

The CFI's finances may be legal but they are hardly transparent as the lobbying group is an unincorporated association. This is how the British media report about CFI's financial transactions.

The register of MPs' interests shows that CFI board members and their businesses gave the Conservatives over 2 million pounds in the last 8 years.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/158021.html

[jackovesk]

David Icke sums up this New Year 2011 message perfectly at the end of this clip!

Quote: "A Pyramid - The bottom holds the top up not the other way round! If we just walk away from this system by letting go of Fear of not walking away and just Stop Acquiescing with our own enslavement then we will hear alot of bangs behind us because the "Pyramid will Fall" and then we can start building a different system! We are Many they are few, when we figure that out there goes their (PTB/NWO's) way of life!"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB22FD1G2og

Keep waking up your friends and family and anyone who will listen. David Icke - "Rise Like Lions (We are many, they are few)!"

A healthy reminder to us all to 'KEEP UP THE GOOD FIGHT' against the (PTB/NWO)!

[Mutchie]

David Icke fascinates me in the sense that he has STOOD UP and talked about all these ANCIENT BLOODLINES which may be extraterrestial and he shows you documented PROOF that these ancient bloodlines are tied to many FAMOUS PEOPLES AROUND OUR WORLD like the royal family & i think 43 out of 46 american presidents were linked to these aswell along with many people in IMPORTANT positions and yet NOT ONE OF THEM HAS TAKEN HIM TO COURT...... i mean he says the queen drinks blood and is a REPTILIAN and it makes me think he might be on to something however improbable that may seem to some WHY HASNT HE BEEN DONE FOR SLANDER ?

[xbusymom]

that would be too obvious, and they play on the sly...

ruining his book sales, making it very difficult for him to live day by day, ...

that way they don't have to admit in court that he is right, they don't take the chance of having a lawyer find any EVIDENCE.

[xbusymom]

I had a thought just now listening to the video...

maybe the only reason this control grid had continued so long is because it has had room to move from country to country... as the population expanded from the roman empire through the ages - across the European continent and now America, (because there is nowhere else to conquer and convert -THEY have ALL the territories accounted for by now) this might be the last of their attempts... everybody has heard of this con-game... everyone KNOWS what is going on EXCEPT America and yet americans are getting the information anyway... its just a matter of time before they fail with america too...

[Billiam]

I remember when I first started being interested in Icke about 9 years ago, people said I was mad...This was because I read his books and watched his videos and the media had done such a successful smear campaign against him. Things in the UK have improved a bit , but amongst the general public he is still laughed at and ridiculed... The Queen would never take it to court because the Royals rarely take anybody to court and she would be ridiculed by association...I kind of miss the old Icke, ripping of Bill Hicks and making up his own terrible jokes- he has come a long way....

[Ahkenaten]

I just discovered an interesting nugget on Icke - according to him years ago he was personally "warned off" pursuing the reptilian thread by none other than the late Zecharia Sitchin. THAT got my attention. I have in my possession a letter I received from Mr. Sitchin some years ago in response to my letter to him questioning him about his relationship with the Rockefellers and the fact that his office for many years has been in Rockefeller Plaza in which he brushed the whole thing off saying that 'many people have offices in Rockefeller Plaza." If it is true that Sitchin warned Icke off pursuing the reptilian thread, perhaps it is because that thread, once pulled, reveals the Rockefellers and their ilk. Just a thought.

Also years ago I bought one of Icke's books at a Borders on my credit card. Within a month of making that purchase I received a very odd letter in the mail to my post office box addressed to me cast as a form letter, ostensibly being sent to me because I was someone who had expressed an interest in the subject of reptilians. I am very aware that corporations track people's purchasing patterns based on credit card purchases, but I was IMMEDIATELY aware that someone or something had zeroed in on me because I had purchased David Icke's book.

THAT gave me pause.

[norman]

I love David Icke, he's got the 'common touch' I can relate to comfortably. I see, or feel, something happening with him in recent times that sadly reminds me of Bill Cooper's sticky end. I love Bill Cooper too, but he's not with us now.

Be careful David.

[Burke]

David Icke sums up this New Year 2011 message perfectly at the end of this clip!

Quote: "A Pyramid - The bottom holds the top up not the other way round! If we just walk away from this system by letting go of Fear of not walking away and just Stop Acquiescing with our own enslavement then we will hear alot of bangs behind us because the "Pyramid will Fall" and then we can start building a different system! We are Many they are few, when we figure that out there goes their (PTB/NWO's) way of life!"

I assume "walk away" is being used as a metaphor here, so in that fashion I ask: Where do we walk to? How is it done in today's modern world? I am all for it but would like some guidance on this...perhaps even suggestions. Six billion plus people all becoming self reliant simultaneously seems to be nearly impossible to me.


NOT ONE OF THEM HAS TAKEN HIM TO COURT

I have always wondered this too. Wouldn't it be a hoot if one day he would be knighted by the queen herself to become Sir David Icke once the dust settles and if they both remain? I think the "not wanting to draw attention" theory is a sound one here.



...maybe the only reason this control grid had continued so long is because it has had room to move from country to country... as the population expanded from the roman empire through the ages - across the European continent and now America...

I read somewhere that the next "host country" is Israel...was that from David or did I pick that up from some other presenter?


I remember when I first started being interested in Icke about 9 years ago, people said I was mad.

David Icke's Children of the Matrix was my first "way outside the box" conspiracy book. 911 had just happened and it snapped something inside me, and i began studying all conspiracy as if I had finals in two days and hadn't paid attention in class all semester.

I didn't buy it and at best figured the shape shifting was a spiritual thing and not a physiological one, especially because it was mainly witnessed by the spiritually sensitive. At times I thought he was off his rocker. He grew on me and now has my full respect and admiration as it prompted me to read The Biggest Secret.

The research into the bloodline was par excellence IMHO. I had just finished reading Jim Marrs Rule by Secrecy and felt David did a better job than Marrs which is no small feat. I still don't buy everything he is saying as am still currently wrestling with the Moon Matrix concept. But I have only seen the video, and not read the book yet so I have little data, and it is certainly an interesting possibility.

The financial troubles he has had, and the recent revelations with Charles in Bill's new interview regarding the "no fuss" manner of dealing with problems being mostly financial attacks raised my eyebrows. David nearly lost all the rights to his own books and lost tons of money over it all.


I just discovered an interesting nugget on Icke - according to him years ago he was personally "warned off" pursuing the reptilian thread by none other than Zecharia Sitchin. THAT got my attention....

I had not heard this and would really love a link to research this further because it sounds very interesting. Arizona Wilder (not Brice Taylor - Thank You Ahkenaten) who says she was used in many rituals as a psychic conduit stated that she witnessed Zecharia Sitchin shape shifting into a lizard once but she said that he did not attend many meetings (maybe only the one) if I remember correctly.

Interesting indeed.

[Ahkenaten]

I assume "walk away" is being used as a metaphor here, so in that fashion I ask: Where do we walk to? How is it done in today's modern world? I am all for it but would like some guidance on this...perhaps even suggestions. Six billion plus people all becoming self reliant simultaneously seems to be nearly impossible to me.




I have always wondered this too. Wouldn't it be a hoot if one day he would be knighted by the queen herself to become Sir David Icke once the dust settles and if they both remain? I think the "not wanting to draw attention" theory is a sound one here.



I read somewhere that the next "host country" is Israel...was that from David or did I pick that up from some other presenter?



David Icke's Children of the Matrix was my first "way outside the box" conspiracy book. 911 had just happened and it snapped something inside me, and i began studying all conspiracy as if I had finals in two days and hadn't paid attention in class all semester.

I didn't buy it and at best figured the shape shifting was a spiritual thing and not a physiological one, especially because it was mainly witnessed by the spiritually sensitive. At times I thought he was off his rocker. He grew on me and now has my full respect and admiration as it prompted me to read The Biggest Secret.

The research into the bloodline was par excellence IMHO. I had just finished reading Jim Marrs Rule by Secrecy and felt David did a better job than Marrs which is no small feat. I still don't buy everything he is saying as am still currently wrestling with the Moon Matrix concept. But I have only seen the video, and not read the book yet so I have little data, and it is certainly an interesting possibility.

The financial troubles he has had, and the recent revelations with Charles in Bill's new interview regarding the "no fuss" manner of dealing with problems being mostly financial attacks raised my eyebrows. David nearly lost all the rights to his own books and lost tons of money over it all.



I had not heard this and would really love a link to research this further because it sounds very interesting. Brice Taylor who says she was used in many rituals as a psychic conduit stated that she witnessed Zecharia Sitchin shape shifting into a lizard once but she said that he did not attend many meetings (maybe only the one) if I remember correctly.

Interesting indeed.

Heretic it was in that film clip when she was discussing Sitchin's presence at some of the ceremonies that Icke interjected "That's funny because Sitchin warned me off researching Reptilians" or something to that effect. I know it is a long series but look at that part again and you will find it. To clarify, the film I am referring to is in the thread started yesterday by Teakai on Arizona Wilder....................check it out.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10235-Arizona-Wilder-a-guided-tour-down-the-rabbit-hole...

[Burke]

Heretic it was in that film clip when she was discussing Sitchin's presence at some of the ceremonies that Icke interjected "That's funny because Sitchin warned me off researching Reptilians" or something to that effect. I know it is a long series but look at that part again and you will find it. To clarify, the film I am referring to is in the thread started yesterday by Teakai on Arizona Wilder....................check it out.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10235-Arizona-Wilder-a-guided-tour-down-the-rabbit-hole...

you beat me to the punch...I had just realized I unwittingly misinformed as it was not Brice Taylor but in fact Arizona Wilder in the video Revelations of a Mother Goddess: Arizona Wilder (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B3M9lZOXQE), had JUST come back to edit my post to correct that. VERY sorry folks...got my mind controlled slaves mixed up.

Correcting my post now...

thanks for that Ahkenaten

Shame that the info came out in the same video, I was hoping for a link where he talks about it "before" the video...the earlier the better because that would have been some good corroborating evidence in this instance. Something I just noticed as well...Brice Taylor and Arizona Wilder look eerily similar in appearance.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I just discovered an interesting nugget on Icke - according to him years ago he was personally "warned off" pursuing the reptilian thread by none other than the late Zecharia Sitchin. THAT got my attention. I have in my possession a letter I received from Mr. Sitchin some years ago in response to my letter to him questioning him about his relationship with the Rockefellers and the fact that his office for many years has been in Rockefeller Plaza in which he brushed the whole thing off saying that 'many people have offices in Rockefeller Plaza." If it is true that Sitchin warned Icke off pursuing the reptilian thread, perhaps it is because that thread, once pulled, reveals the Rockefellers and their ilk. Just a thought.

Also years ago I bought one of Icke's books at a Borders on my credit card. Within a month of making that purchase I received a very odd letter in the mail to my post office box addressed to me cast as a form letter, ostensibly being sent to me because I was someone who had expressed an interest in the subject of reptilians. I am very aware that corporations track people's purchasing patterns based on credit card purchases, but I was IMMEDIATELY aware that someone or something had zeroed in on me because I had purchased David Icke's book.

THAT gave me pause.

All of the above gave me pause. Thanks for sharing - I never heard any of the above about Sitchin. Does make me have to reevaluate what I thought I knew. Not the first time in my life and probably not the last - which I guess, at least says I'm not stuck!!

[Ahkenaten]

you beat me to the punch...I had just realized I unwittingly misinformed as it was not Brice Taylor but in fact Arizona Wilder in the video Revelations of a Mother Goddess: Arizona Wilder (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B3M9lZOXQE), had JUST come back to edit my post to correct that. VERY sorry folks...got my mind controlled slaves mixed up.

Correcting my post now...


thanks for that Ahkenaten

Shame that the info came out in the same video, I was hoping for a link where he talks about it "before" the video...the earlier the better because that would have been some good corroborating evidence in this instance. Something I just noticed as well...Brice Taylor and Arizona Wilder look eerily similar in appearance.

Hi Heretic - I think I saw on the Arizona Wilder thread today in case you haven't read it that someone had the chance in the Fall to ask David Icke what ever happened to Arizona Wilder. According to the poster he said he hadn't been able to get in touch with her and that she completely had disappeared. Most highly strange, Ahk

[ndroock1]

I am trying to understand the popularity of David Icke. This is what I know:
- worked for BBC as a sports anchor;
- self proclaimed 'God'
- has been / is considered a nutcase in the UK because of appearance in Wogan show
- has no formal education, is entirely self-taught
- never discusses with scientists only with friendly interviewers
- he has no source he -is- source through so called contact with higher entities
- he is making tons of money with his hour long talks.
- he seems to know -everything- ( LOL )

Are you into David Icke? ( Why? )
Would you accept him as the leader of your country?
Do you believe he has contact with higher entities?
Do you believe in reptilians?

[cowens66]

Have you ever read any of his books? Most of what you "know" about David Icke is wrong.

[Etherios]

most of the things you are asking have nothing to do with Icke... not to say he will never accept the leadership of anything...

His sources .... well i wont bother to reply here.

[Ammit]

I am trying to understand the popularity of David Icke. This is what I know:
- worked for BBC as a sports anchor;
BBC television sports presenter
- self proclaimed 'God'
He actually said on the bbc Wogan show that" he was the son of God"
- has been / is considered a nutcase in the UK because of appearance in Wogan show
He was at that time but now has a considerably large following, not bad for a Nutcase
- has no formal education, is entirely self-taught
I dont believe that education makes a difference
- never discusses with scientists only with friendly interviewers
How would you explain the things he believes to any scientist??
- he has no source he -is- source through so called contact with higher entities
- he is making tons of money with his hour long talks.
And why not, do the other speakers not get some payment?
- he seems to know -everything- ( LOL )
He has actually stated that "he does not have all the answers"

Are you into David Icke? ( Why? )
I listen to his speeches as I do others
Would you accept him as the leader of your country?
Surely he cannot do any worse then the idiots we have already
Do you believe he has contact with higher entities?
Why not, others do
Do you believe in reptilians?
Yes ofcourse, we have loads of snakes around my area

[Carmody]

He actually said on the bbc Wogan show that" he was the son of God"
- has been / is considered a nutcase in the UK because of appearance in Wogan show

This is a VERY average or common feeling that an intelligent person stumbles upon when 'going clear' and having one's Kundalini activated, so to speak. I had to live through the same (extremely isolated and alone, not a soul to go to that had a chance of even remotely understanding), as we in the west have no mentors to help guide us through this evolution of man which we can each go through, if we can find a way to trigger it. Be careful, it is very messy, emotionally and with regard to our stability, in the beginnings and the learning stage. Especially due to it being wholly unfamiliar ground, as much as being/feeling like a newborn child, it seems and feels like.

What we are doing, to some degree, is removing the 'cover' for the system of birth-death-rebirth (ad nauseam) that is within each person, and are taking a good look under the hood. There is a physical being... and a multidimensional being overlaid on this physical body. The symbiotic pair is called a 'human', in this age or cycle of development. (there have been prior systems on the planet before this one.)

So David overcame his block system to some degree.... and the first thing one (tends to) encounter... is psychic phenomenon. The kind of phenomenon that is relatively uncontrollable as it is spontaneous, much like the reflexive gripping of a child when you let them have control of a young cat, puppy, etc. We begin playing in an area that we are wholly unfamiliar with, on the conscious level.

We can each remove that block through self hypnotism, but I'd say it's best to go to a hypnotist who is willing to play along with the whole thing (with regard to speed-if one is impatient-you won't be afterward!). Or, be smart and do it right, meditate, etc. OR... remain bout 50% below your potential. it really is up to you. Make your choice but I have to say that your ego is likely making the choice for you right now... and bending you into thinking negatively on this subject as the ego does not want to be shunted aside for your clarity and is blocking your exploration of this phenomena. Blocking it from being a drive or even a thought in your life that gets followed through on.

One of THE first things one finds, is that they feel incredibly connected to 'all' and that their intrinsic capacities, knowledge and cognitive skills take a HUGE leap. Logic function and cognitive function goes right through the roof. If David had a IQ of lets say, 140 before the internal revelations, it would have leapt to a more emotionally clear (less emotionally intrusive-ego sublimation) 180, 190++ after his internal clearing act or moment.

However, that intellect would not yet be filled with KNOWLEDGE, so it could become WISDOM. And that process took years.

When David, "went clear", like Buddhists and others do regularly, he saw the world as it really is. And he began to figure it out and to describe it.

[9eagle9]

His books are pretty much in alignment with what we know to be the condition of our current state of emerging from slavery, matrix type constructs, hiding out in the open intrigue and abuse of humanity. I haven't heard him say anything that was far far removed from most other commentators on such matters. God's own truth? Don't know. Since he stated he was God or so you say, then I reckon so ;)

Honestly when I first read is books I was sorta conflicted. I seen a lot in there that I knew to be confirmation of things we all suspected but....some things made me scratch my head for a long time till I realized I wasn't obligated to believe or disbelieve him.

Granted I was a little disconcerted by the reptilian thing. Maybe it was the way he presented it. He doesn't soft sell or tone down-- sometimes peoples honesty can be ...awkward? Especially when you first begin getting used to such concepts. I think it was more the candid admission of it than anything else. Honestly I iddn't know what to make of people turning into reptiles. I have not observed for myself but I live in the woods, in a remote area so perhaps have not had opportunity to witness such a thing as people energetically converting into reptiles. Then again I'm not exposed to as many people as someone who lives in London. So I 'll keep that with a grain of discernment. I do know I run into people who give off a reptilian type of energy. Very ego dense, very much coming from the reptile mind and completely not people I'd trust for any reason. Perhaps there's some correlation. I dont' know and I don't have to know I just have to be aware.

Not sure what your other comments are alluding too really since they dont' have much to do with his books or his message.

- worked for BBC as a sports anchor;

A lot of people weren't born famous and worked ordinary or non provocative jobs before becoming involved in these sorts of things. Not sure what your point is. I used to be a slave to the system till I woke up too.

- self proclaimed 'God'


Never heard him proclaim that he was God, .....but aren't we all?

- has been / is considered a nutcase in the UK because of appearance in Wogan show

That sorta goes with the territory of system busting. If someone doesn't think your a nut case somewhere, you're probably not doing your job.

- has no formal education, is entirely self-taught


Formal education is generally acknowledged as approved conditioning and brainwash provided for free from TPTB through our educational systems. The fact that he has no formal education is probably more an advantage than a disadvantage. My personal opinion. Still....There are no credentials available currently in busting conspiracy, or psychic phenom from approved universities anyway.
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- never discusses with scientists only with friendly interviewers

The non friendly interviewers think he is a nut job as you indicated above don't want him on their shows? We eventually learn to use discernment in our audiences. I would see little value in having an interview with people who had prejudiced me before the interview begins. Science can be as dogmatic and rigid as some religions.

- he has no source he -is- source through so called contact with higher entities.

This is rather in alignment with with are all Source, we are all God. Admittedly, I always take a second look when people discuss higher entities and use a grain of salt. I myself would prefer that people become more Source guided than beleif system guided. We become our own Sources that way.

- he is making tons of money with his hour long talks.


I make tons of money doing nothing. Who's worse? Me or him. Seriously. I subcontract with roughly the same sort of organization and it is hugely expensive to operate. Most spiritually based enterprises compensate their people far beyond what our slave conditioning is used to, too.. Seriously the overhead even with it mostly being online based is probably tremendous. Still not sure what the point is. Someone's gotta pay for it. Talk is no longer cheap?


- he seems to know -everything- ( LOL )

If he knew everything or if any of us did, we'd have this all settled now. Knowing everything trends towards being a bit ahead of the game than people who believe everything....lol. Personally I think Jordan Maxwell seems to know everything too and if I weren't cautious I'd be a slavish devote'. I'd start a Church of Jordan Maxwell....lol. Basically that's how I became more comfortable with Icke, via his discussion with Icke. Personal preference, just opinion.

Higher Entities. What constitutes a higher entity. What entity is higher than ourselves in comparison? Taller? ..lol. That's a sore spot with me people who automatically assign angels or spirit guides as somehow being higher or better than us. We just give away our self authority to any old thing then.

When Icke issues his candidacy and puts his mission statement on the table I'll determine whether I'll vote for him..then.. He may be good at ferreting things out but that doesn't necessarily mean he'd be a good president.

Take what you will from Icke.You're not obligated to believe or disbelieve. File it away for a rainy day. If it comes to naught you've invested nothing, and if it does, then you may be a bit more prepared. if you disagree with it...then you disagree with it. Nothing is absolute,

[gripreaper]

I'm sure you've read his most recent treatise he wrote December 30 on his website about the elite power brokers, correct? He's focusing the spotlight on the very thing that Charles and Bill are reticent to expose, even though we probably know who the 33 are.


Why shoot the messenger?

[vericocha]

I am trying to understand the popularity of David Icke. This is what I know:
- worked for BBC as a sports anchor;
- self proclaimed 'God'
- has been / is considered a nutcase in the UK because of appearance in Wogan show
- has no formal education, is entirely self-taught
- never discusses with scientists only with friendly interviewers
- he has no source he -is- source through so called contact with higher entities
- he is making tons of money with his hour long talks.
- he seems to know -everything- ( LOL )

Are you into David Icke? ( Why? )
Would you accept him as the leader of your country?
Do you believe he has contact with higher entities?
Do you believe in reptilians?

Ha Ha! There are a lot of questions here and they all deserve answers until you answer me one question..

HAVE YOU EVER READ ANY OF HIS BOOKS OR LISTENED TO AN EIGHT HOUR SEMINAR (Not 1) ? If the answer is no to these two questions then you need to prior to asking your questions here. Your post contains premeditated negativity that can only be fairly addressed by studying David's material from an un-biased source. Not the Murdoch press or Mr Terry Wogan. I can assure you much of his information is accurate and VERY worth listening to. You would be wise to listen. Let me tell you one thing. I only had time for him after 6 years of my own Pre- Deluvian research which washed away the nonsense I had being taught when younger. After years of travel at my expense and visiting sites across the world I can assure the only mad people are people who dismiss him without reading a book first.

[John Parslow]

Hello ndroock1

There is a very simple answer to all the questions which you pose here; check out David Icke's web site and do your own research - he is not well-known today simply by rhetoric or accident, like Bill he has not only had the tenacity to seek out the truth but the courage to speak about it openly for the benefit of all …

Best regards. JP :cool:

[Swami]

A bit more:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11047-Plausible-points-for-the-reptilian-case&p=95356&viewfull=1#post95356

[vericocha]

Incidentally regarding the Science question. There are now mainstream Quantum physicists who now concur with the Holographic hulti dimensional universe theory as explained by David including a prominent Japanese scientist. There is a you tube video of that individual explaining exactly the theory that David has being proposing for many years. Much of David's work has mainstream support but these people are too fond of their careers to go 'Public' with it. His support is growing fast and I find when intelligent people get past the LOL stage and listen to the real info from Icke then they amazingly nod in agreement. I have had first hand experience of nievity and ridicule becoming embarrassed agreement and realisation of the truth. The only fools are the Sheeple out there. I thank DI for helping myself to awaken.

[cloud9]

I am trying to understand the popularity of David Icke. This is what I know:
- worked for BBC as a sports anchor; - We all have to pay rent somehow
- self proclaimed 'God' - Me too
- has been / is considered a nutcase in the UK because of appearance in Wogan show Yeah, the nutcase is now teaching something to everybody
- has no formal education, is entirely self-taught - the smart thing to do
- never discusses with scientists only with friendly interviewers - again, how smart to just discuss with open minded people
- he has no source he -is- source through so called contact with higher entities - we all share the same source, most of us just haven't made conection
- he is making tons of money with his hour long talks. - what? scientists don't make any money?
- he seems to know -everything- ( LOL ) - a lot more than many...

Are you into David Icke? ( Why? ) - yeah, why not?
Would you accept him as the leader of your country? - any honest person would do better than actual leaders
Do you believe he has contact with higher entities? - it's very possible, he's not the only one anyway
Do you believe in reptilians? - yeap! and dinosaurs too -


Well, you asked for it!

[kinsuemei2]

Very simply... he makes sense when he speaks. he spends up to 8 hours at a time breaking things down, and at the end of his lectures you are educated and enlightened, that is why, for me.You can not measure a man's worth with the people by breaking him down in a forum into compartments, not Davis Icke.. not even Charles ;).

[ThePythonicCow]

I'm sure you've read his most recent treatise he wrote December 30 on his website about the elite power brokers, correct? He's focusing the spotlight on the very thing that Charles and Bill are reticent to expose, even though we probably know who the 33 are.Are you referring to Google search for "THEY DARE NOT SPEAK ITS NAME david icke" (http://www.google.com/search?q=THEY+DARE+NOT+SPEAK+ITS+NAME+david+icke)? (I too dare not ...;))

[meeradas]

MHO: Rather a 'nutcase' like Icke than the nutcases in our gov's.
He just 'feels' better than the latter, to me.
And, obviously, he can think differently -that's why he's worth being lent an ear or two.

If i had to choose with whom to go for a drink, i'd def take David.
[and, btw, Wogan totally impersonates what i cannot suscribe to in this world...]

[Fred Steeves]

I used to come across David Icke from time to time surfing the web on "spiritual" matters, but would dismiss him out of hand without even listening to what he had to say because I was still operating according to the system. Once it suddenly struck me one day a couple of years ago that something was terribly wrong with the world and nothing made sense any more, the next time at the book store I finally actually pulled one of his books "Tales from the Time Loop" off the shelf and browsed a bit. Wound up reading it, and many more, and it literally blew the doors off of everything I thought I knew. Virtually everything I had been taught about how the world works was nothing but lies piled on top of lies. It made sense, and even though it turned my little world upside down for several months, the transition was worth it. I used to think war was the answer, the Republicans were always right, our history lessons were correct, mainstream science had it going on, blah blah blah.

Not that he's always right,(he'll tell you that) but he'll show you the rabbit hole, then it's up to you what to make of it, and whether to pursue it. Personally I'm thankful that I pursued it. Even found gems like Project Camelot in the process.

IMO, the mass ridicule he's endured shows he's the real deal.


Cheers,
Fred S.

[Bill Ryan]

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I know him personally, and count him as a friend. He's smart, courageous, determined, inspired, highly intuitive, and has amassed an extraordinary amount of information - much of which in my view is right on the nail.

If we make it through these difficult times with our freedom intact, by the time we get to 2015 or so he may be one of those on the list of people to thank.

[ArtyCarl]

I actually remember watching him on the Saturday afternoon sports program Grandstand on BBC1.

One must remember that his job at the time would have been very high profile and very well paid and so to stand up and announce what he was going through and risk the inevitable embarrassment and ridicule takes an awful lot of guts.

His shows are always sell-outs and there are very few people with a bad word to say about him.

[meeradas]

Whilst i do not agree on all of the info David is presenting (some of which i just don't care about, or do not have enough info on/ time for),
i feel that this guy is truly 'spirited', i.e. whenever he touches upon this side of things, it feels genuine - i can relate (as i have my own experiences).

[GK76]

The man you call a "nutcase" had a life altering event through which he persevered and sought answers. Even through the troubles and detractors he effectively 'took a bullet' for the truth movement and has won many friends and admirers doing so.

Many of your points have been answered already by other forum members, many more don't deserve to be answered. To be honest - if you had posted this in a lesser quality forum you would have witnessed the ridicule you undoubtedly seek.

[Hiram]

Please be cautious about dismissing and categorizing people like David Icke out-of-hand.

Remember to tell yourself, that this journey isn't really about David Icke at all. Its about YOU.

In that respect...all someone like David can do is open the door for you.

You can step through, or choose not to. No one forces you--which is more than I can say for our terribly coercive human body politic!

So to the original poster who posed all of those questions, I turn this back on you. What do you think? And before you answer, ask yourself if the beliefs and determinations that YOU yourself have come to think are true, can't also be criticized and maligned by a world built on lies and deceptions.

I submit that they can be.

As Krishnamurti expressed so eloquently: "To be well adjusted to a sick society is no sign of health."

We all would do well to think on that.

[vericocha]

I used to come across David Icke from time to time surfing the web on "spiritual" matters, but would dismiss him out of hand without even listening to what he had to say because I was still operating according to the system. Once it suddenly struck me one day a couple of years ago that something was terribly wrong with the world and nothing made sense any more, the next time at the book store I finally actually pulled one of his books "Tales from the Time Loop" off the shelf and browsed a bit. Wound up reading it, and many more, and it literally blew the doors off of everything I thought I knew. Virtually everything I had been taught about how the world works was nothing but lies piled on top of lies. It made sense, and even though it turned my little world upside down for several months, the transition was worth it. I used to think war was the answer, the Republicans were always right, our history lessons were correct, mainstream science had it going on, blah blah blah.

Not that he's always right,(he'll tell you that) but he'll show you the rabbit hole, then it's up to you what to make of it, and whether to pursue it. Personally I'm thankful that I pursued it. Even found gems like Project Camelot in the process.

IMO, the mass ridicule he's endured shows he's the real deal.


Cheers,
Fred S.

Absolutely spot on Fred. Your journey too him was very similiar to mine. Rob

[Corncrake]

I too feel compelled to speak up for David Icke - not that he needs it as he has been well supported here - but I have loosely followed his career for years and concur with much he says. Even if I didn't I can only admire his immense courage and tenacity. I once took my very mainstream husband to one of his crowded 8 hour marathons in Brixton which gave us some lively conversation for days afterwards. The main area of difficulty for me has always been the reptilian one but thanks to other researchers and the input in other parts of this forum I am gradually coming around to that as well!

[slipknotted]

let me say you to have find these answers for yourself and understand that other people's view on him is not what you want to go by to determine if he is right or wrong you decide if it works or rings true for you

[vericocha]

I too feel compelled to speak up for David Icke - not that he needs it as he has been well supported here - but I have loosely followed his career for years and concur with much he says. Even if I didn't I can only admire his immense courage and tenacity. I once took my very mainstream husband to one of his crowded 8 hour marathons in Brixton which gave us some lively conversation for days afterwards. The main area of difficulty for me has always been the reptilian one but thanks to other researchers and the input in other parts of this forum I am gradually coming around to that as well!

Yes It took me a while to get my head around the lower fourth dimension and holographic vibrational universe theory to understand the Reptilian concept!

[meeradas]

The main area of difficulty for me has always been the reptilian one but thanks to other researchers and the input in other parts of this forum I am gradually coming around to that as well!

In case you haven't seen it: Corncrake, Swami just opened a thread on that topic here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11047-Plausible-points-for-the-reptilian-case) (incl. a good docu embedded)

[edit: Corncrake is just browsing over there as i type this... so the hint is for all others]

[Second Son]

This post puts forth many questions indeed. I say it is up to all discerning Avalonians to ask a few ourselves. This is an public forum which encourages open debate, BUT here we have a new member whose very questions come in a form which to my mind is intended to foment doubt and divisiveness. I have read all of this member's posts since they joined, and all are very negative, and questioning of things that most of us hold as self-evident. So my question to YOU is why join a site like this? I notice you like to "ROTFL". If it is entertainment you seek, perhaps you have come to the wrong place? Just a thought.

Peace out.

[irishspirit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq5yMOnfub8&feature=related

[TheChosen]

Highly recommended... Listening to his interviews is only part of the story. Get his new book (wealth of information inside of it). He may get the context and conclusions a bit too simplistically for my taste... but in any case there is a LOT to learn from him.

Rule No.1 : Pay no attention what the average Joe thinks about someone.

I actually travelled from Czech Republic to Sweden to see his lecture.. well worth it.. it was a blast (even though I had seen it 3 times from his DVD .. heheh). I also had some very nice astral information on him too .. he has been around since the days of Atlantis and his current role is a sort of 'payback' for all the mistakes done back then (that much I had gathered if it means something at all).. but take this with a grain of salt and purely as my view only.. we all know how wild the astral can be.

[Binaryspellbook]

He also played in goal for Coventry City. That I am afraid is quite simply unforgivable.

But seriously. I remember his Wogan interview. It was horrendous. Icke by his own admission was "all over the place at that time", and he certainly did himself no favours. Nor did Wogan, who played to the studio audience making things worse. I squirmed in embarrassment for his family, and in particular his children.

For my part the jury is out on Icke. Yes, he seems like a thoroughly decent human being and some of his information I take quite seriously. However when he tells people that the former prime minister of the UK was spotted in a forest near his country residence performing some bizarre ritual and then turning into a giant lizard I really have to take a step back. He talks of frequencies and harmonics and resonance, but I don't know if he actually understands what he is saying regarding these matters. He never mentions numbers nor gives anything tangible to look for. There are many engineers out there (myself included) that would love to look for what he is talking about. Give us the data Mr Icke and we will be quite happy to use our experience and equipment to try and detect what you speak of.

He's almost as annoying as Jordan Maxwell. Who I believe to be at best a fool, and at worst a lying bastard.

[kinsuemei2]

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He's almost as annoying as Jordan Maxwell. Who I believe to be at best a fool, and at worst a lying bastard.[/QUOTE]

Well I am glad to be a fool in good company.

[Garry Irwin]

Icke makes a lot of sense on many subjects.
He was instrumental to my understanding of the way this planet is controlled by the few over the many.
His written work is well researched and in plain English. His presentations are absorbing and informative - well worth a viewing.
The OP has obviously gleaned all he needs to know from the mainstream media whose pleasure it was to expose him as a "nutter" back in early 90's.
David Icke is a genuine guy committed to waking up the people... we need more like him.

[Binaryspellbook]

Well I am glad to be a fool in good company.

Not to derail this thread. However, as far as I am concerned Maxwell has been proven to be a lying buffoon. Irrespective of the source.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3119679914965262207#

[Benign]

As I am an atheist,I don't subscribe to a lot of mr. Icke's ideas.However he is spot on regarding political,social manipulation and the global elite.He is an entertaining speaker and I believe an honest man.You don't need to agree with everything a person says,to appreciate his contribution.

Jordan Maxwell is a bit eccentric no doubt and he has on occasion made a few serious historical and linguistic mistakes in his lectures.He has also said ,however,some very true and fascinating things.He is also great fun to listen to.

Ultimately no one has all the answers,Jordan has often said of himself ''he is an ordinary man seeking extraordinary knowledge''. He has revealed many truths however and is also a gifted speaker.
So we take from every human being the best they can offer and forgive them their few mistakes.

[Bill Ryan]

Not to derail this thread. However, as far as I am concerned Maxwell has been proven to be a lying buffoon. Irrespective of the source.

[Mod hat on]

Binaryspellbook, 6 of your 14 posts have been dedicated to denigrating Jordan Maxwell.

Now you're posting about Jordan on the David Icke thread, I now look forward to your including your criticism of him on the threads about solar activity, birds falling from the sky, and the Brisbane floods. I'm sure you'll find a way to work it in! :)

[Teakai]

Are you into David Icke? ( Why? )

I like, Icke - a whole lot.
He's one of the most sensible people out there and honest with it.

Have you taken the time to check him out yourself, ndrook, or are you just going by what you've heard?

Would you accept him as the leader of your country?

I don't think he wants to be a leader of the country - so the point is moot. David is into everyone getting responsible themselves and not being dependent.
If he was into being leader - he wouldn't be who he is.

Do you believe he has contact with higher entities?
I think David has become aware of and experienced things that for the most part, the rest of us haven't - yet.

Do you believe in reptilians?
I feel the existence of reptilians may be very possible.

[Lettherebelight]

I met David Icke when I lived on the Isle of Wight years ago, there weren't nearly as many people into his message prior to 2000.

I thought some of his ideas were a little far out then, but as the years have rolled on, they've become more and more apparent.

He's a born communicator, a real voice for the people, and his website is an excellent source of information you won't get from the mainstream.

I think David Icke would make a great government representative, MP, he's got the right kind of personality and sense of justice.

How about Prime Minister?... There's a thought!

[Teakai]

David Icke - all grown up.

I like this interview, once again with Wogan - but this time the shoe is on the other foot.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqTAIX2WlTQ&feature=related

[Benign]

David is brilliant in this interview.

[9eagle9]

Both Maxwell and Icke present their information in a way that the lay person can understand it. As opposed to the credentialed , formally educated people with lots of little letters after their name who seem more interested in showcasing their technical vocabulary by using high brow and florid terms than actually getting their message across. No point in having a message if no one can understand it.

I think those sorts of people may be experiencing a bit of professional envy because Icke and Maxwell are popular and appeal to a broader audience than the highbrows that would dry-term you into a coma with their material. It may be accurate and truthful but if you can't read it, or understand it, what's the use?

A lot of us do not have degrees in social dynamics, political science-- things of that nature. We're not familiar with the language. Doesn't mean we don't care or count though. Maxwell and Icke both understand we were all deliberately kept stupid and present their message with that in mind.

If some of the technical details didn't translate well in Maxwell and Icke's works I can forgive them for that for presenting a broader picture in terms that I can understand.

[Binaryspellbook]

[Mod hat on]

Binaryspellbook, 6 of your 14 posts have been dedicated to denigrating Jordan Maxwell.

Now you're posting about Jordan on the David Icke thread, I now look forward to your including your criticism of him on the threads about solar activity, birds falling from the sky, and the Brisbane floods. I'm sure you'll find a way to work it in! :)

Ok Bill point taken. You have my abject apologies.

[Binaryspellbook]

Both Maxwell and Icke present their information in a way that the lay person can understand it. As opposed to the credentialed , formally educated people with lots of little letters after their name who seem more interested in showcasing their technical vocabulary by using high brow and florid terms than actually getting their message across. No point in having a message if no one can understand it.

I think those sorts of people may be experiencing a bit of professional envy because Icke and Maxwell are popular and appeal to a broader audience than the highbrows that would dry-term you into a coma with their material. It may be accurate and truthful but if you can't read it, or understand it, what's the use?

A lot of us do not have degrees in social dynamics, political science-- things of that nature. We're not familiar with the language. Doesn't mean we don't care or count though. Maxwell and Icke both understand we were all deliberately kept stupid and present their message with that in mind.

If some of the technical details didn't translate well in Maxwell and Icke's works I can forgive them for that for presenting a broader picture in terms that I can understand.

Eagle,

I may have lots of little letters after my name, but I'm certainly not guilty of any showcasing. I simply object to being blatantly lied to by certain people who should know better.

[Binaryspellbook]

David Icke - all grown up.

I like this interview, once again with Wogan - but this time the shoe is on the other foot.

Nice. I didn't see that interview. I stopped watching the idiot box years ago. That is the Icke I like to listen to. Not the Icke that talks about giant lizard prime ministers, and baby eating presidents. Hats off to David for making Wogan look like a tool.

[truthseekerdan]

Do you believe in reptilians?
I feel the existence of reptilians may be very possible.

Yes Teakai, Jesus was well aware of them (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%2023:33-36&version=WE) also. :eyebrows:

[9eagle9]

Eagle,

I may have lots of little letters after my name, but I'm certainly not guilty of any showcasing. I simply object to being blatantly lied to by certain people who should know better.

I guess I'd have to ask you why you feel like you've been blatantly lied to? If its not appropriate to post here give its own space.

[Teakai]

Yes Teakai, Jesus was well aware of them (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%2023:33-36&version=WE) also. :eyebrows:

And the famous walking, talking serpent in the garden.

[AlkaMyst]

Quote Originally Posted by ndroock1 View Post
I am trying to understand the popularity of David Icke. This is what I know:
- worked for BBC as a sports anchor; - We all have to pay rent somehow
- self proclaimed 'God' - Me too
- has been / is considered a nutcase in the UK because of appearance in Wogan show Yeah, the nutcase is now teaching something to everybody
- has no formal education, is entirely self-taught - the smart thing to do
- never discusses with scientists only with friendly interviewers - again, how smart to just discuss with open minded people
- he has no source he -is- source through so called contact with higher entities - we all share the same source, most of us just haven't made conection
- he is making tons of money with his hour long talks. - what? scientists don't make any money?
- he seems to know -everything- ( LOL ) - a lot more than many...

Are you into David Icke? ( Why? ) - yeah, why not?
Would you accept him as the leader of your country? - any honest person would do better than actual leaders
Do you believe he has contact with higher entities? - it's very possible, he's not the only one anyway
Do you believe in reptilians? - yeap! and dinosaurs too

Without being disrespectful in any way, please do yourself a favor and educate yourself before posting something like this here and specially when being directed at a man that has nothing but integrity and do things for good of humanity. This questions can be simply answered by reading David's books, may be you haven't yet and if that's the case I like to help you out......PM me and I can make this books available to you! :)

Again I mean no disrespect to you, just trying to help you out!!!

Blessings to All,
AlkaMyst

[Beth]

I have a question for you ndroock1:

Did you travel to Africa to help a shaman and his family out?

[Anchor]

If someone doesn't think your a nut case somewhere, you're probably not doing your job.

I agree with pretty much your whole post - but this bit is the best part :)

[mondaze]

my advice ndroock1 is to make your own journey. read around listen to everything, discard that which doesnt resonate, follow up that which does. and ignore sun readers take on the universe because it's 100% wrong

[StephenW11UK]

Hi Benign, is ''atheist' the word you mean to use here? Because in 15 years of following David Icke's research work (as an a-theist myself) I have never come across anything to suggest that he is a theist. In fact, he considers religion to be a creation of TPTB for the express purpose of enslaving humankind.

[StephenW11UK]

AlkaMyst, may I take advantage of your post and ask ndroock1 if he'd like to watch the video linked-to below?

It's not the work of David Icke, but is very much in line with David's thinking; and, in this case, an understanding of 9/11 that most Avaloneans would not find it difficult to take seriously.

Here's the heading to the video: Ex Director of US Army War College States 'Military Know Israel Carried out 9/11 Attacks'

And the YouTube link:
US MILITARY KNOWS ISRAEL DID 911 MOSSAD OP !!! EVERYBODY KNOWS !!! SABROSKY

[jasonzwsa]

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[jasonzwsa]

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[AlkaMyst]

StephenW11UK

AlkaMyst, may I take advantage of your post and ask ndroock1 if he'd like to watch the video linked-to below?

It's not the work of David Icke, but is very much in line with David's thinking; and, in this case, an understanding of 9/11 that most Avaloneans would not find it difficult to take seriously.

Here's the heading to the video: Ex Director of US Army War College States 'Military Know Israel Carried out 9/11 Attacks'

And the link: http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/4...ut-911-attacks

And if he doesn't appreciate it, then I do......thank you for sharing this as this is new information to me ISRAEL?....WOW, I don't think I should express what I'm felling right now cause I was thought that if "One doesn't have anything nice to say then he shouldn't say it at all".

But in a happier note "THE LION SLEEPS NO MORE 4 DISK DVD SET" (http://www.davidickebooks.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=270) is coming out in a few weeks and I will be ordering :) I will make it available to forum members when I get it, but remember that if you like David's work then please buy the material!!!

Here's a trailer....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hll96v4thFI

[ThePythonicCow]

I am trying to understand the popularity of David Icke.
Thank-you, ndrock1, for this thread.

Until now, I had not given David Icke much attention. He was "too far out there" for me.

But thanks to the spirited support for Icke that you post engendered, I am now giving him a closer look.

[vericocha]

I have a question for you ndroock1:

Did you travel to Africa to help a shaman and his family out?

Well said Beth or the money David wired immediately he heard of Credo's predicament.

[jasonzwsa]

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[ThePythonicCow]

Have you listened or read anything by Michael Tsarion.

I was unaware of him. I am looking now. Thanks.

(It's challenging trying to catch up on this forum. Not only do the good posts come in an unending torrent; I'm also frequently sent off to research new ideas and people -- well new to me.)

[grapevine]

He also played in goal for Coventry City. That I am afraid is quite simply unforgivable.

But seriously. I remember his Wogan interview. It was horrendous. Icke by his own admission was "all over the place at that time", and he certainly did himself no favours. Nor did Wogan, who played to the studio audience making things worse. I squirmed in embarrassment for his family, and in particular his children.

For my part the jury is out on Icke. Yes, he seems like a thoroughly decent human being and some of his information I take quite seriously. However when he tells people that the former prime minister of the UK was spotted in a forest near his country residence performing some bizarre ritual and then turning into a giant lizard I really have to take a step back. He talks of frequencies and harmonics and resonance, but I don't know if he actually understands what he is saying regarding these matters. He never mentions numbers nor gives anything tangible to look for. There are many engineers out there (myself included) that would love to look for what he is talking about. Give us the data Mr Icke and we will be quite happy to use our experience and equipment to try and detect what you speak of.

He's almost as annoying as Jordan Maxwell. Who I believe to be at best a fool, and at worst a lying bastard.



Yes, but just think a minute. What if .... what if it was true ......? You don't have to believe anything anyone says at all - there's just consciousness and illusion after all. This is just information which should be taken on board ..... As for Coventry City, well, I guess you just have to take a view on that :)

w1ndy x

[Fred Steeves]

David Icke - all grown up.

I like this interview, once again with Wogan - but this time the shoe is on the other foot.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqTAIX2WlTQ&feature=related




Thanks Teakai, great clip, hadn't seen the shoe on the other foot! What a great way to phrase it, along with all grown up.


Cheers,
Fred S.

[Binaryspellbook]

I guess I'd have to ask you why you feel like you've been blatantly lied to? If its not appropriate to post here give its own space.

Hi Eagle,

Take a look at the video I posted. It's full of lies, unresearched "facts" and gibberish that could only be described as "made up nonsense." Take your pick.

[shiva777]

as I've said so many times before in this forum

IT'S ALL ABOUT THE DNA

your level of DNA activation determines the level of your conciousness...your ability to be AWARE...it even determines where your conciousness goes when you die or when you are having "mystical" experiences or "enlightenment" states...that's why so many of the so-called enlightened masters and teachers are just being shepherded in to FALSE bliss and enlightened spaces and claiming that they are "free"...their DNA has not been repaired and they just end up getting circuited in to fallen dimensional spaces that feel amazing but are NOT true freedom

the "ruling" bloodlines have known this for millions of years and their actions have been all about wiping out those races and groups who hold or who have been awakening DNA that they know will prevent them from ruling indefinitly...they have failed but they keep trying anyway...that's the reptilian way

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTrq70KEXH8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfAI48SR7-A

[9eagle9]

Hi Eagle,

Take a look at the video I posted. It's full of lies, unresearched "facts" and gibberish that could only be described as "made up nonsense." Take your pick.

Okay I looked at your video. I stopped after a few minutes since I don't have time this moment to look at all of it in one sitting and make notes..but I'll keep going through it. I paused at the first piece of evidence it presented which was the controversy over the word Christos.

I can see where someone might think there were being lied to. Not blatantly perhaps and I admit it could have been explained better but that again to clearly explain something of that nature would add another hour a lecture. I can also see how Maxwell expressed it the way he did with his huge stockpile of information about religious history for that time frame.

I'd have to say in order to explain why this is confusing seeming is that you'd be coming from several different theologies at the time that were associated but used terms in a slightly different way. The more prevalent theologies at the time were all sprung from the same place essentially. Jewish Mysticism, Paganism, Gnosticism and emergent Christian Gnosticism and emergent Christianity. All will give you a slightly different version of what Christos means that varies somewhat from what Greek interpretation means. Sorta a language vs theology vs theology buzzleup. It's a matter of loose schemantics which no one is responsible for save for the people at the time.

Different related theologies altered the meaning a little. Just because a Greek Word like Christos is a definite definition doesn't mean the different theologies at the time were going to use it in the same way. This is really a matter of misunderstood word usage. I understood what Maxwell was talking about because I'm familiar with the theologies and how some religious languages and references were used at the time...interchangeably. If someone is not familiar , I could see what they think they were misled. But I would have to emphasize ...Failure to understand what and where someone is coming from doesn't automatically mean someone is lying. It means the observer has failed to understand. I don't understand Algebra very well but I don't zutomatically assume that people are lying to me about mathematics. I realize I don't have everything I need to know to feel comfortable with algebra.

The word Christos has a Christian based association. It's Christ. This is misleading too because Christ is not a name its a title for the Christian Lord Jesus. However the two words title and name are interchangeable in the Christian faith. Jesus is a Christ, but not all Christs (anointed ones) are Jesus. At one time before we had different splinter groups of Christianity people were anointed with oil, they were Christians having been anointed with oil to show that. Today some Christians are anointed with oil and some are not.

Gnostic (greek) Christ means anointed one. It also means someone who has been anointed on a spiritual level by a divine aspect. They mean roughly the same thing but not precisely due to what context is used but its an easily understood association if one is well versed in Gnostic theology. In strictly Greek language terms Christos may mean only anointed one.

Anointed also refers to having oil applied from a physical aspect like perhaps during a rite or ritual or confirmation of some sorts. Christ was annointed with Oil.

Now let's flip to ...oh say, pagan Gnosticism of that time. Or ..Jewish based paganism. or Greek paganism. Anointment occurred in many pagan rituals prior to the act of Communion. Pagan communion often times means .... having sex. Ritual sex. . Ritual sex , and you were anointed (oiled) prior to engaging in ritual sex. Christos in this association means oiled prior to introducing the divine aspect into the sexual ritual act because it was sacred. Anointment, being oiled, if you were having ritual sex as a fertility rite to produce either a child or good crops or to make it rain. If looked from a pagan theological aspect annointment is automatically associated with sex. It quite frequently means sex depending on the context one if framing in.

Toss in the hullabaloo between translation of Hebrew to Greek and back again and it adds to the confusion. If you have studied all this there's not much in the way of confusion or omission because your frame of reference kicks in and supplies the correct context. If one is not familiar with theologies, and how they all borrowed from each other and how they all essentially came from the same base with variations one would probably understand it or realize how closely all this word usage is associated.

[Binaryspellbook]

Eagle, thanks for the response. Nice read so far. I look forward to hearing more. Just wait till you get to the part where he says the Egyptian god Set got his name because he was the god of darkness, since when the sun SET's it gets dark. Total and utter bull**** of the highest calibre. Trying to associate modern English with ancient Egyptian. He makes other references to modern English trying to manipulate data to reinforce his views. It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic. That I call lies. There can be no other explanation other than he is a complete idiot, and worse expects people to sap it up. I certainly don't. Also, he tries to assert that Jesus was anointed with semen. Ridiculous.

By the way, I loved the word "buzzleup." :)

[Fred Steeves]

Eagle, thanks for the response. Nice read so far. I look forward to hearing more. Just wait till you get to the part where he says the Egyptian god Set got his name because he was the god of darkness, since when the sun SET's it gets dark. Total and utter bull**** of the highest calibre. Trying to associate modern English with ancient Egyptian. He makes other references to modern English trying to manipulate data to reinforce his views. It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic. That I call lies. There can be no other explanation other than he is a complete idiot, and worse expects people to sap it up. I certainly don't. Also, he tries to assert that Jesus was anointed with semen. Ridiculous.

By the way, I loved the word "buzzleup." :)


Hmmmmm, I guess it's totally impossible that our word hours could have come from the English translation of Horus the Skywalker traversing the sky in the ever occuring number of (12) steps?

Maybe, maybe not. Being skeptical is fine, I tend that way myself. BUT, it DOES seem you are here just to stir the proverbial **** pot my friend.


Cheers,
Fred S.

[Binaryspellbook]

Hmmmmm, I guess it's totally impossible that our word hours could have come from the English translation of Horus the Skywalker traversing the sky in the ever occuring number of (12) steps?

Maybe, maybe not. Being skeptical is fine, I tend that way myself. BUT, it DOES seem you are here just to stir the proverbial **** pot my friend.


Cheers,
Fred S.

Not trying to stir anything Fred. Simply responding to Eagle, who is at least watching the video we were discussing. Perhaps the word hours could have been derived from Horus. That is at least possible, since the ancient Egyptian language preceded Latin/English by quite some margin. However, I would assume you would agree that the word Horus could not have been derived from the English word hours since the language hadn't even been developed yet. Which is exactly what Maxwell is trying to say about the god Set having his name derived from the English word SunSET. This is quite simply a dirty great lie.

[Seikou-Kishi]

That's Maxwellian etymology there Spellbook... you have something in common with your dearly beloved hero :P

[Dale]

I suppose one can sit near a fire and decode the origins of varying words every evening until their last year of life. Though many etymological definitions can be traced back several centuries with reasonable certainty of their origins, many cannot. And then we introduce the concept of phrases. And myths. And symbols.

It becomes near impossible.

To say the word "sunset" comes from ancient Egypt can prove to be as difficult as saying it does not.

With regard to Mr. Icke, he's quite a passionate researcher, and is fully convinced of what he states. This does not make him 100% correct, as common sense would state, but he does introduce an audience to concepts they would never come across seated in front of a television screen. If one takes what they need while listening to one of Icke's presentations, and disregards what isn't needed, I suppose they'd be in a reasonable situation.

[9eagle9]

In English the term SET doesn't make sense in regards to SunSet. As if the Sun was SET below the horizon, as if placed there. We know the Sun does not Sit. So...where did the term for the sun setting==Sun SET== come from?

SETTLING makes more sense? The Sun Settling below the horizon. Set-ling.

Lol. Sorry. I may be pot stirring too. But something to think about.

I'll look further.

[Benign]

Hi Benign, is ''atheist' the word you mean to use here? Because in 15 years of following David Icke's research work (as an a-theist myself) I have never come across anything to suggest that he is a theist. In fact, he considers religion to be a creation of TPTB for the express purpose of enslaving humankind.

Hi Stephen,please forgive me for not answering sooner but I've been very busy these days.

It seems to me the term ''atheist'' is open to some classification.For my part, I should say I'm a materialist-atheist, meaning I only will give credence to what has been scientifically and empirically proved.

That does not mean however that I'm not open minded and I'm always eager and willing to listen to all interesting theories on various subjects. Nor do I believe that science always tells us the truth,unfortunately it does not,especially when it has been employed to serve the interests of the few in order to enslave and manipulate the many.Sometimes the powers that be,allow only part of the truth to be revealed to the public to confuse the issue and not allow them to realise some truths.

But there are some scientists who,to their credit,do serious,honest work,and they are a source of sanity,logic,creative thinking and healthy reasoning in our world.For example I love Richard Dawkins and his work,have read almost all his books.On the subject of UFO research I like the work of Stanton Friedman.Astronomy could benefit by the original but serious scientific work of Paul La Violette whom Bill Ryan has recently interviewed and so on.

Now for subjects like Kundalini,for example, I'm fascinated but I would approach it from a medical,psychiatric point of view as,with all due respect,the tradition and theory around it is based on religious dogma from India.Some honest ''metaphysical'' experiences, and I had myself some from a very early age,could well be communication from alien beings who for some reason have taken an interest,or built in potential that we humans,possess.In antiquity ,the comparatively primitive man of that time,associated these attributes with some God,while such an idea is totally unacceptable to me personally.I do not believe in a creator,I think it is naive.

However,these legends and ancient religious beliefs may well have hidden in them,and I believe a lot of them have,interesting truths that man with his science and logic can take advantage of ,for his improvement.It is science not yet discovered.
As Arthur C Clark said : '' Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic'' and that about sums it up for me.

For example look at this small clip and how Richard with simple,lucid,understandable,irrefutable science replies to the creationist myth.I find it so clever and hilarious.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjxZ6MrBl9E&feature=related

[noamsh]

I'm also not impressed with David Icke. he just doesn't seem credible to me. and lets face it , thats really almost all we have to go on in the alternative domain,most of the time its simply people telling their story.

[Benign]

I'm also not impressed with David Icke. he just doesn't seem credible to me. and lets face it , thats really almost all we have to go on in the alternative domain,most of the time its simply people telling their story.

Well you've got a point ,I agree.Now I do not want to say ''almost all'' but wasn't it Charles who was interviewed in December by Bill who said about 70% was rubbish and that the Elite were having a great time laughing at it?

David Icke in his social criticism,to me is extremely credible and correct.Now the other things and the reptilian agenda is hard to swallow.It might well have some truth in it.

But right now the world is plagued by most pressing problems like pollution,overpopulation,starvation e.t.c. I'd rather we found a way that so many children in Africa don't die from hunger and disease every day for example,let's make a better,fairer world in the global society which is up to us,and we can sort out the reptilian thing later.

[Bill Ryan]

Eagle,

I may have lots of little letters after my name, but I'm certainly not guilty of any showcasing. I simply object to being blatantly lied to by certain people who should know better.

I guess I'd have to ask you why you feel like you've been blatantly lied to? If its not appropriate to post here give its own space.Hi Eagle,

Take a look at the video I posted. It's full of lies, unresearched "facts" and gibberish that could only be described as "made up nonsense." Take your pick.

[Mod hat on]

Binaryspellbook, again you spun off into your favorite personal rant. Please don't derail the thread. This thread is about David Icke.

An honest and appropriate response to 9eagle9 (after you simply couldn't stop yourself once again) would have been something like


I was referring to Jordan Maxwell: please refer to my comments on this different thread [then refer to the thread or the posts]. I'm aware that the research of Maxwell and Icke is almost entirely unrelated. Apologies.I enjoy your many other comments. And I agree about Bob Dean and David Adair. No more unrelated rants, please.

[jasonzwsa]

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[greybeard]

I agree Stephen. Kundalini awakening is not related to any religion.

Yes agree and the spontaneous awakening of Kundalini in a person of Scottish culture proves that.
It is a great blessing and a minor curse.
There is a certain frustration that all of a suddenly you see essence of things clearly witout words and have difficulty in conveying this in a left brain fashion.
David Icke certainly experienced something similar.
The reptilian bit early on with David Icke put me off but his recent talks yes, in particular the statement. "Its all an illusion except unconditional love."
We can get seduced and distracted by the sensational but its all in Davids statement repeated here.
We are here to learn unconditional love and that we are One with Source

My head is in the tigers mouth (readers of Ramana will know what I mean) I wish Kundalini would finish the job.

Chris

[last50cobra]

The thing that has started to turn me off to Icke lately is the fact that he is always changing his beliefs. Granted in an ever changing world, we must seek new information. But the part that drives me crazy is that he never goes back and corrects or explains his previous beliefs. I don't know i guess it is frustrating to start thinking one way, and then have him come out with something contradictory to his own stuff. Does that make sense?

[jasonzwsa]

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[JoshERTW]

David Icke probably doesn't talk to scientists because he is a spiritual being more than anything. The Vatican came to an agreement with the scientific community (through the Royal Society I believe) at the turn of the century - science was free to investigate whatever it wished so long as it stayed out of all things spirtual/religious. Hence began the phenomenal separation of science and spirituality, and the ridicule of anyone within the scientific community who even tries to put any type of scientific basis to anything non-physical or paranormal.

Why is it that all these award winning scientists (Einstein comes to mind) seem to turn towards the metaphysical once they are so far established in their careers and near retirement? Is it fear of their own mortality or because they no longer fear the ridicule of their peers for exploring the "forbidden science" of spirituality? I'm not saying theirs a grand conspiracy to keep it from being explored, I'm just saying the system of ridicule was put in place a long time ago by some crusty old priests and scientists who were towing the same line, and now we have the scientific community that we do. And this is also why people like David Icke don't bother with them (or with the education system for that matter).

Also I've never heard him say he is God - he regularly mentions that we are all "god's" but doesn't the bible also say something along the lines of "we are all children of god" and that "part of the lord lives in all of us?" (Paraphrasing here as I'm a lapsed and now highly skeptical former-Catholic, and don't remember all the quotes).

[greybeard]

David Icke probably doesn't talk to scientists because he is a spiritual being more than anything. The Vatican came to an agreement with the scientific community (through the Royal Society I believe) at the turn of the century - science was free to investigate whatever it wished so long as it stayed out of all things spirtual/religious. Hence began the phenomenal separation of science and spirituality, and the ridicule of anyone within the scientific community who even tries to put any type of scientific basis to anything non-physical or paranormal.

Why is it that all these award winning scientists (Einstein comes to mind) seem to turn towards the metaphysical once they are so far established in their careers and near retirement? Is it fear of their own mortality or because they no longer fear the ridicule of their peers for exploring the "forbidden science" of spirituality? I'm not saying theirs a grand conspiracy to keep it from being explored, I'm just saying the system of ridicule was put in place a long time ago by some crusty old priests and scientists who were towing the same line, and now we have the scientific community that we do. And this is also why people like David Icke don't bother with them (or with the education system for that matter).

Also I've never heard him say he is God - he regularly mentions that we are all "god's" but doesn't the bible also say something along the lines of "we are all children of god" and that "part of the lord lives in all of us?" (Paraphrasing here as I'm a lapsed and now highly skeptical former-Catholic, and don't remember all the quotes).

Along those lines
Jesus said
The father and I are one.
I am within the Father and the Father is within me
Of myself I do nothing it is the Father within who is the doer

To put it into context Jesus also said that we could do all he did and more.

Chris

[StephenW11UK]

Hi, last50cobra, I feel sure that what I'm about to say here would be agreed with by many avaloneans, and it's this:

The times when I've made worthwhile changes in my personal life, when the quality of my experience has moved to a new level, when I realise that I'm actually enjoying being alive, those changes have always come about because I've made a point of 'changing my beliefs'.

A new David Icke YouTube video, both funny and profound: Deprogramming Yourself (The Parting of the Ways)

[jasonzwsa]

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[DawgBone]

I am trying to understand the popularity of David Icke. This is what I know:
- worked for BBC as a sports anchor;
- self proclaimed 'God'
- has been / is considered a nutcase in the UK because of appearance in Wogan show
- has no formal education, is entirely self-taught
- never discusses with scientists only with friendly interviewers
- he has no source he -is- source through so called contact with higher entities
- he is making tons of money with his hour long talks.
- he seems to know -everything- ( LOL )

Are you into David Icke? ( Why? )
Would you accept him as the leader of your country?
Do you believe he has contact with higher entities?
Do you believe in reptilians?

A classic way of dealing with uncomfortable information is to attack the messenger. TPTB and their agents are adept at character assassination.

[StephenW11UK]

Hi jasonzwsa, A very sincere thank you for this video. Since the mid-50s I've heard David talking about his 'Wogan' background in writing, interviews and at Brixton, but have never seen the actual video. What I find so impressive is how calmly and positively he responds to the jibes, and that in the very midst of his 'spiritual' confusion.

[ThePythonicCow]

A new David Icke YouTube video, both funny and profound: Deprogramming Yourself (The Parting of the Ways) David IckeThis one? Deprogramming Yourself (The Parting of the Ways) (http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/43291-deprogramming-yourself-the-parting-of-the-ways)

[Benign]

I must say I admire David Icke for his courage to go on with research after all that he had been through and I have great respect for his courage that moves me deeply.Also his political and social analyses,are ballsy and to the point.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I happen to like David Icke and am in agreement with most of what he says and how he says it.

However, if he doesn't speak to you, listen to someone else. There are many with great information out there and we all resonate with different personalities. Most are saying the same general things, but in different ways.

It's rather like, let's say ice cream. The basic ingredients for ice cream are the same, it's just the flavor that's different. Some like strawberry some like chocolate - some like to try all. Order (or listen to the flavor you like), but it's not necessary to make it a contest between the flavors. It's all ice cream.

[irishspirit]

You see,

the thing with David Icke is the fact that he had the courage to start out in Britain at a time when people where no more clued into what was going on, than they where American football. He faced a huge, huge barrage of laughter and ridicule to a level that you and I would never understand.

He faced the press and fought his corner. He faced the public, and stood his ground. He spoke to nothing more than his shadow and carried on, strong in his beliefs and convictions.

David Icke stand where he is today because of the above.

Mr Icke is responsible for the awaking of so many, and the saving of many, many lives for exposing the system, the ability to manipulate the system, food and the medical industry.

Trust him or not, that is your personal choice, however, you cannot fault the man for his amazing work!

[irishspirit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg-Pq6nlA5M

[StephenW11UK]

For any of you who missed my earlier post, in this YouTube video the ex-director of a US army war college is claiming

[1] that senior military officers have never even entertained the idea that 9/11 was an inside job

[2] that this group now believes that it was carried out by Mossad.

Added to that he is saying that all the proof his fellow officers needed was to see film of the falling Building 7

And their reaction? Rage, he said; first, disbelief...then, rage!

YouTube link: US MILITARY KNOWS ISRAEL DID 911 MOSSAD OP !!! EVERYBODY KNOWS !!! SABROSKY

[New Dawn]

David Icke - all grown up.

I like this interview, once again with Wogan - but this time the shoe is on the other foot.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqTAIX2WlTQ&feature=related

Thanks for posting this! I didn't quite know he went back on Wogan, but wow the man did good. Credit to the audience too, for not letting Wogan get away with the cheap shot he tried to sneak in towards the end, by laughing when they were clearly meant to at Icke's expense. Wogan hasn't changed at all, but I'm very happy to this this interview. Now if we get David Icke to join us on this forum, that would be an honour!!

Mr Ryan, if you do requests, please ask him to join us here :)

[Arrowwind]

Yes, lets get David Icke here, never mind that he has his own cyber community. This place is much better and we should awaken him to that reality :eek:

[Carmody]

I've walked into a boardroom before, seen a bunch of people I never see,fully gathered and said, "Wow, if I had a hand grenade, I could end this all, right now".

A major rule of corporate responsibility: Never allow too many key people on one Airplane at one time.

So yes, it would be nice to have David here, but aside form the feel good nature of things, and the chance to talk some things out, I'd say it's a bad idea. Too many heads in the one spot. Let that general cover his own appointed grounds.

[mondaze]

thank you all for a very interesting thread. i like David Icke, a lot of what he says resonates with my core beliefs, and i like the fact that as he learns more he re-evaluates his own core position, takes on board that which resonates for him. We are on a journey the path travelled is more important than the destination. in my opinion, values and beliefs are only an interim report of what we have learnt so far.

[Franny]

I've been to hear him lecture. I've never heard someone talk so fast, or give out so much info in 8-9 hours. Pretty amazing. And he has a great "vibe" too. I may go to hear him again in March.

BTW, he doesn't channel or anything. He digs in archives of information, then condenses and formats it so flows into a very understandable book.

[AlkaMyst]

Any body interested on his latest lecture "Human Race Get Off Your Knees, The Lion Sleeps No More" please see my recent post here!!! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11333-David-Icke-s-Human-Race-Get-Off-Your-Knees-The-Lion-Sleeps-No-More-Documentary)

[TimelessDimensions]

David Icke explained that he believes "we are all the sons and daughters of God",

but fortunately at the time Wogan took the opportunity to be immature and ignorant, and this experience broke down David Icke's ego and made him the man he is today, not afraid to think outside the box put over us by society. David is very happy that Wogan did what he did that day.

[Sandypie]

I admire David Icke very much. Most certainly who would throw everything he held in his hands away to stand up and speak of things that would only bring ridicule without having been led by his inner man. Very courageous! I find him to be not only well educated, but extremely passionate, loving and concerned for humanity. I do not know his financial situation, but if he had become wealthy by doing the work he has done, then he would be one among the few that I would say truly deserved it. For his unrelenting research, the time spent away from his family to spread his knowledge and experience, for the hours upon hours to write a book and to take it through publishing and for his faithful act of following his heart.. I applaud him!

[joedjemal]

He actually said on the bbc Wogan show that" he was the son of God"
- has been / is considered a nutcase in the UK because of appearance in Wogan show

This is a VERY average or common feeling that an intelligent person stumbles upon when 'going clear' and having one's Kundalini activated, so to speak. I had to live through the same (extremely isolated and alone, not a soul to go to that had a chance of even remotely understanding), as we in the west have no mentors to help guide us through this evolution of man which we can each go through, if we can find a way to trigger it. Be careful, it is very messy, emotionally and with regard to our stability, in the beginnings and the learning stage. Especially due to it being wholly unfamiliar ground, as much as being/feeling like a newborn child, it seems and feels like.

What we are doing, to some degree, is removing the 'cover' for the system of birth-death-rebirth (ad nauseam) that is within each person, and are taking a good look under the hood. There is a physical being... and a multidimensional being overlaid on this physical body. The symbiotic pair is called a 'human', in this age or cycle of development. (there have been prior systems on the planet before this one.)

So David overcame his block system to some degree.... and the first thing one (tends to) encounter... is psychic phenomenon. The kind of phenomenon that is relatively uncontrollable as it is spontaneous, much like the reflexive gripping of a child when you let them have control of a young cat, puppy, etc. We begin playing in an area that we are wholly unfamiliar with, on the conscious level.

We can each remove that block through self hypnotism, but I'd say it's best to go to a hypnotist who is willing to play along with the whole thing (with regard to speed-if one is impatient-you won't be afterward!). Or, be smart and do it right, meditate, etc. OR... remain bout 50% below your potential. it really is up to you. Make your choice but I have to say that your ego is likely making the choice for you right now... and bending you into thinking negatively on this subject as the ego does not want to be shunted aside for your clarity and is blocking your exploration of this phenomena. Blocking it from being a drive or even a thought in your life that gets followed through on.

One of THE first things one finds, is that they feel incredibly connected to 'all' and that their intrinsic capacities, knowledge and cognitive skills take a HUGE leap. Logic function and cognitive function goes right through the roof. If David had a IQ of lets say, 140 before the internal revelations, it would have leapt to a more emotionally clear (less emotionally intrusive-ego sublimation) 180, 190++ after his internal clearing act or moment.

However, that intellect would not yet be filled with KNOWLEDGE, so it could become WISDOM. And that process took years.

When David, "went clear", like Buddhists and others do regularly, he saw the world as it really is. And he began to figure it out and to describe it.

I've seen it time and time again when people wake up (including me for a bit) they go into solipsism. Most snap out of it after a while.

[joedjemal]

I quite like him but the moon stuff seems a bit far fetched to me at the moment.

[Moemers]

I've walked into a boardroom before, seen a bunch of people I never see,fully gathered and said, "Wow, if I had a hand grenade, I could end this all, right now".

A major rule of corporate responsibility: Never allow too many key people on one Airplane at one time.

So yes, it would be nice to have David here, but aside form the feel good nature of things, and the chance to talk some things out, I'd say it's a bad idea. Too many heads in the one spot. Let that general cover his own appointed grounds.

Reminds me of the Polish Plane crash.

Too true.

[Moemers]

Does anyone have the original Icke/Wogan interview?

[Mayan2012]

I am trying to understand the popularity of David Icke. This is what I know:
- worked for BBC as a sports anchor;
- self proclaimed 'God'
- has been / is considered a nutcase in the UK because of appearance in Wogan show
- has no formal education, is entirely self-taught
- never discusses with scientists only with friendly interviewers
- he has no source he -is- source through so called contact with higher entities
- he is making tons of money with his hour long talks.
- he seems to know -everything- ( LOL )

Are you into David Icke? ( Why? )
Would you accept him as the leader of your country?
Do you believe he has contact with higher entities?
Do you believe in reptilians?

If you stop to think about each point you make against David Icke, they really are unfair ways to judge him.

1. Worked for BBC as a sports anchor
Is this REALLY something to hold against him?
2. Self proclaimed GOD.
I don't remember hearing him say that but knowing what I know about him, I believe he meant that we are ALL God in that we all come from GOD so we are part of god. Just as a glass of ocean water is part of the ocean and has the same exact properties as the ocean, but it is not THE ocean.
3.has been/ is considered a nutcase in the UK because of appearance on Wogan show.....
I was looking for the Wogan show on Google in order for me to be watch it and give you an educated answer but instead I ran into this Wogan show with David Icke.
I invite you to watch it and please give me your opinion of him based on it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OSmdej56cw

[Mayan2012]

Does anyone have the original Icke/Wogan interview?

I didn't find the entire interview but I gather this is the important parts of both:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OSmdej56cw

[Icecold]

Well, the only thing that really stood out in that video was....what a bloody idiot is Terry Wogan.

[Mayan2012]

Well, the only thing that really stood out in that video was....what a bloody idiot is Terry Wogan.

That is one thing.

[SKAWF]

I'm very confident that 95% of what icke says is true. I remember phrases like 'reality is an illusion' which at the time i just didnt understand, but after checking things out for myself i was quite suprised by just how accurate some of the stuff he says IS.
I would also say that the majority of information he presents is the result of research that he's done, and if you check around, its easily verifiable from a few sources. Possibly the hardest thing to get my head around was the reptillian thing. I'd read stuff before i saw davids' video's, but never saw it as relevant to my life because i couldnt attach it to my 'reality'. Later on when i was very into the whole thing, I found that there are reptillian references EVERYWHERE, going way back to the ancient world.
It was more than me just finding out things. I was left wondering how all of this stuff could be going on, and i had no idea. Like i was asleep. I soak up masses of information. david icke woke me up.
Any doubters should see 'Turning of the Tide'. When it was made in 1994 it wouldve seemed 'far out' , but actually, he was describing the political world we now live in, 17 years ago.
A final point, Jordan Maxwell wouldve been doing HIS research the hard way, by todays standards. I doubt he had the internet!. and the 'basic illuminati slideshow' was most revealing. pictures dont lie.

[slipknotted]

i think he has balls of steel very smart you cant make that info up he's for real he's one of the men who woke me up along with bill & kerry.

[slipknotted]

great man, his will be remembered as on of the great ones and powerful talkers ever he should be taking as a truth monger cheers david

[Gone001]

Hello

So recently I've been watching the Ricky Gervais show for some laughs which lead me to the discovery of Karl Pilkington. He is a hilariously (not on purpose) loveable man constantly being called an idiot by his friends and the world.

This show lead me to a show called "an Idiot abroad" which is about Karl being sent around the world to see the seven wonders. This in turn lead me to a short 24 minute documentry about the man called "Karl Pilkington: Satisfied Fool" which is about Karl's journey to find out more about what intelligence means.

Now as I was watching at ten minutes in Karl was on the bus and was saying something about information maybe being a bad thing and that the next bloke he was off to meet had his head opened up and a bunch of knowledge poured in which turned his life upside down. To my surprise the man he was about to meet was David Icke!!

Now you could skip to ten minutes in and just watch the part with Icke, but, It's much funnier in context with the rest of the Documentary. Anyway if your looking for some light hearted humor or you just love to see anything with David Icke, then give it a try. Hope you enjoy it as much as I did and as always leave your thoughts if you'd like.

Cheers,

Aldous


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1700622981138923572#

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1700622981138923572#

[Mike]

love Icke. funny video. inspirational. i love his repetitive response to the naysayers: "f#*k 'em!" seem to remember seeing this somewhere once, but it was nice to revisit it here. thanks for the post.

[BrianEn]

Icon David Icke Order out of Chaos and The Rise of A New One World Religion

They cover a lot of what's going on today.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_WLgCem9mo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_WLgCem9mo&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl0VOtmmxZA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl0VOtmmxZA&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnFtaT_7WGQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnFtaT_7WGQ&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq6iltGx01I&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq6iltGx01I&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr7L87Uh42k&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr7L87Uh42k&feature=related


I've never had any success with embedding from You Tube, so if anyone wants to feel free yo do so.


whole show in 1 link donated by Str8thinker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onxDrgNtnTo

[BrianEn]

Thank you for embedding them Zook.

[Zook]

Thank you for embedding them Zook.

Hi Brian,

There's an icon in the editing palette just before the quote icon. If you position your cursor anywhere in teh body of the message, then click the icon, you can cut and paste your youtube video URL there ... clicking ok embeds the video. Hope that helps.

:smow::typing:

[norman]

I was returning to this thread after a distraction and found all the links for YouTube converted to embedded and blind video insertions. I know that's supposed to be the right way but I actually like to get the links to the site and do it that way, especially if I intend to record the soundtrack.

When I post videos, since I learned how to embed them, I offer the link as well as the embedded video.


A cracking David Icke breakdown of the faction of madness that's running the revolution back into it's own mouth.

[BrianEn]

The links are right underneath the picture of the video Norman.

[Zook]

The links are right underneath the picture of the video Norman.

Hi Brian,

Yup, I've added them upon Norman's suggestion. All is good. Great find, by the way. Just finished listening, and Icke is masterful in his understanding of the situation.

:smow::typing:

[BrianEn]

Cool. Thanks for adding them Zooks. I listened to it last night on the repeat. I like how Alex doesn't start yelling when he has David Icke on his show.

[str8thinker]

Thanks BrianEn. I happened to find a YouTube link to the full video (all 5 parts in 1):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onxDrgNtnTo

[BrianEn]

Awesome. Thank you.

[filsmyth]

WOO!

Yes thank you for posting the link. Here is one from another post that is extremely important:

https://www.freeconferencing.com/playback.html?cn=94-43-28-63&e=2243221200000&cid=conferences/-17-65-6759-17-65-67-17-65-67-17-65-67126-17-65-67-17-65-6783-17-65-6753122121-17-65-67-17-65-670.mp3

It begins.

[BrianEn]

Downloading it now filsmyth

[Myatding]

Thank you for sharing this.

[BrianEn]

you're welcome

[Myatding]

WOO!

Yes thank you for posting the link. Here is one from another post that is extremely important:

https://www.freeconferencing.com/playback.html?cn=94-43-28-63&e=2243221200000&cid=conferences/-17-65-6759-17-65-67-17-65-67-17-65-67126-17-65-67-17-65-6783-17-65-6753122121-17-65-67-17-65-670.mp3

It begins.

Thank you for sharing this filsnyth. I really appreciate it.

It appears that the link has expired, so I have uploaded the mp3 here:
http://files.hoza.me/Information-on-Iraqi-Dinar-etc-2Feb2011.mp3

Are you guys as pumped about this as I am?!? Then end of the global banking cartel and re-establishment of gold, silver and oil based currencies. The end of OPEC?? Is anyone watching this?

Please, download and copy this audio anywhere you like. This should be shared and made available other places, I feel.

Cheers,
Mark

[Mystique]

Thanks for the David Icke embed! Very timely.

[mmfk]

i also was wondering about Arizona's statement that Sitchin was intentionally spreading disinfo, as i have always thought his work a classic in the "alternative media", although i'm not familiar with his books...

[3optic]

i also was wondering about Arizona's statement that Sitchin was intentionally spreading disinfo, as i have always thought his work a classic in the "alternative media", although i'm not familiar with his books...

Arizona Wilder says a lot of things including that Sitchin attended the reptilian baby eating parties (if I remember correctly). This is not to knock Icke's work but I find Wilder's testimony a bit over the top.

[mmfk]

i didn't want to connect her testimony to david icke's, just wondering, what might be nearer to the truth, her story or sitchin's research...

[Annacarl]

I found David Icke very early in my quest to find the truth. Although it was not at all anything I had ever heard I resonated with it. Seems I was guided right to the heart of very important information. He is a very courages soul and I love him!
Anna

I would post a smiley face or kiss face but cannot figure it out! Slow learner...

[Gone001]

No problem anytime bud. Whenever I need a laugh I look up anything with the name 'Karl Pilkington' in it and it always puts a smile on my face; the David Icke part was just an added bonus!! lol :P

[indiana]

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[Midnight Rambler]

I´m curious about the story of the girl who eats mud. ;)

[Charlie Pecos]

Made my day! Thank you Aldous.;)

[ViralSpiral]

Thank you thank you thank you ;)

What a giggle and wonderful message!
Actually paints a great picture of macro/microcism....... even "here".
Personally I am grateful not to be "gifted" with Richard Dawkins' cerebral capacity!

Sometimes, its better just to be a happier pig, innit?

[golden lady]

Thank you for making me smile today Aldous.
It reminded me of a favourite old boss of mine, very wise, who gave me those two words of advice. Can come in very handy!
Love and peace
Carole

[Terra]

Cheers Aldous, Karl Pilkington is great.
The more I see of David Icke the more I admire him.
Bet it was a nice cuppa tea too!

Who would you rather have as a nieghbour out of the last two? ;)

[ArtyCarl]

I love this show.

[bodixa]

love both of them :)

[Inelia]

Thank you for posting this Aldous, it's brilliant :)

[Free Bird]

Thank you Aldous,

The film brought a big smile to my face :o What a wonderful character!

Peace and Love
-x-

[MariaDine]

Loved the video ! Great find Aldous !!!



http://fanart.lionking.org/Artists/Fluffy_Siki/FDRHitlerAnimalized.jpg

[gsb67]

Great post Aldous :)

[Whitehaze]

ROFL I completely slid out of the chair when I heard the lady say........the happiest people on earth are idiots.........rofl thats me

havent laughed that hard in weeks!

[Maria Stade]

Thank you for sharing this great film.
Icke is a true dimond !
And I do agre with the lady happines has nothing to do with inteligense !
A calm mind dose not creat disharmony !

All love

[str8thinker]

Thanks for the vid. Wish Germaine Greer had told us his Mensa score.

[Gone001]

I'm so glad you all enjoyed it! Cheers Everybody! :D

[Franny]

Excellent, thanks for the post. Interesting how Alex mentioned several times the advanced computer modeling of everything and everyone.

Does anyone know where the articles that describe this can be found; I've seen some but not for awhile. I would like to send a few to some friends.

Thanks!

[Ineffable Hitchhiker]

I was amazed at my own feelings of empathy towards Karl and absolute "disharmony" with the last chap he interviewed.
It made me laugh at myself! At judging people, which was the whole point of the video. :lol:

Thank you for posting this.

[elysian]

I love Karl Pilkington, He is so entertaining :)

[Heart-2-Heart]

The solution to all problems......Have a good .. Health ... and a very...very... bad.. Memorry......:dance3: :dance3: :dance3:
ROFL I completely slid out of the chair when I heard the lady say........the happiest people on earth are idiots.........rofl thats me

havent laughed that hard in weeks!

[TWINNICK]

That was entertaining but the last bloke( the writer) was a sick puppy!

..Nick..

[rhythm]

thanks furkin Hillarius ..;)
i been findin this site has got my interest again of late :drama:
with all the new members .. feel like all the waves coming together :grouphug:
May even start a new thread :whistle:
love to yers all and kindness thrown in for good mesure ..rhythmmmmmmmmmm:peace:

[ViralSpiral]

Thank you for the warm welcome, rhythm! (and everyone else)

Surfs up, lets ride the wave!!

http://freesmileyface.net/smiley/leisures-and-sports/surf-090.gif

[rhythm]

im ready to ride with you ...my new friend xxxxxxxxxxxxx
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcaZarxilJQ

[ViralSpiral]

http://rationalia.com/z/surprised-004.gif

breathless!!

"unimaginable energy" - I like that!!

[Donna O]

Thank you for this, two of my favourite blokes, Karl and David...... Go David Icke!!!

:peace:

[Fructedor]

Thanks Aldous

That was a fine video – I’d never heard of Karl – a sincere and genuinely enquiring mind.

In my view, there’s nothing uglier than the sort of intellectual snobbery you get from the ‘educated’ of this world, who seem to think that you’re worthless unless you can squeeze your opinions into the little consensual framework they’ve adopted. Intelligence has nothing to do with the amount of information you acquire, nor the capacity to string together snappy quotes from the cultural – or spiritual – elite. I also believe that the written word is over-rated as a means for transmitting meaning. For example, how much more do we understand from watching videos of conferences or interviews – actually watching the people moving, breathing and living their message as they transmit it? Or talking with the people around us. We are, after all, multimedia creatures.

Concerning intelligence – can it really be measured by IQ tests and such? To use a computer analogy, a high IQ number really only defines the capacity of your processor – what use is that, if you spend all your time using it to play GTA? Shakespeare used a goose quill. And though a person – usually male – may be defined as ‘intelligent’ because he’s collected diplomas left and right, how intelligent is he really if he spends his energy devising weapons of mass destruction? Or modifying genetics for purely self-centred commercial purposes? Smart – maybe – or crafty – but intelligent? I don’t think so. Intelligence has to measured by it’s influence on life and it’s environment.

I believe that by nature, women are fundamentally more intelligent than men. Since biologically, women are built to harbour, protect and nurture Life itself, they are viscerally connected to the ongoing creative process of human life. As a result, their outlook on life and the decisions they make are inseparably engaged in this process. Like many men, I have to state that many of the more important lessons I have learned have been transmitted or influenced by the women I’ve known. This doesn’t necessarily mean that these transformative understandings were not already inherent within me, but they had to be triggered by women.

Humour and art are essential functions of the life process, and escape all definitions by the sort of left-brain functions that seek to govern and regulate the world we now live in. Any human activity can be the vehicle for art, but the more these activities are based on left-brain thinking, the less chance they have of transmitting the life force, which could also be described as divine. This is our secret identity, and we are all, potentially, super-heroes.

Best wishes

Fructedor

PS - left-brain thinking is not bad in itself, of course, but is a functional tool which should be used to implement the imperatives of the soul. IMHO.

[John101]

Here's something else that gave me a good laugh.


http://thebrowser.com/videos/my-blackberry-isnt-working

Hope it does the same for you :becky:

[SlyMarbo]

Thank you for this. You made my day. Love David Icke.

[jer]

This is the first post in over a week for me. Why? Because, I was tired of feeling like such an outcast. Not as smart or informed. Lots of VERY smart personalities around here. Last post I made, I wanted to do something other than sit on my backside reading egos and waiting for info to be shared by Atticus. Instead of info or education it was suggested that I chill and go plant a garden.
Hmmm. I feel a bit like Karl here.
Not a Pub is it? But not so different either. It's o'kay though. I'm grateful even. It got me off my chair and away from the box and I felt a whole lot happier. Don't care what my IQ is. I care that my heart loves.

Fading back out of sight. Going to chill in the background. More pleasant for me there.
Maybe it'll be warm enough to plant a garden in another 6 weeks or so.

[Circe]

David talking to Jeff Rense about the Middle East, the Third World War, Rothschild Zionism and the Parasite Society.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnG8DhULTGs&feature=player_embedded

[write4change]

Thank you for posting this. I like hearing what the big picture is from various points of view.

[thewebkid]

The conspiracy mentality gets a tad out of hand. For example - it is kinda silly that he thinks Zuckerburg is fictitious/ludicrous. I bet he thinks the open source cloud computing platform (nebula 1.0) the entire federal government will be using was done by insiders too? Guess what? It was done by my former biz partner Chris Kemp who is a genius 33 year old kid who arose through his own efforts to be CTO of NASA. He has a really great heart too. I worked on the technical strategy team at Microsoft. The heavy hand isn't as heavy and well organized as you would think. It's just motivated by dollars. Within each structure are various jedi operating with various levels of awareness. The secret is tethering them all together in a cohesive was so we can act for the well being of all. It'll happen.

[Merkaba360]

The conspiracy mentality gets a tad out of hand. For example - it is kinda silly that he thinks Zuckerburg is fictitious/ludicrous. I bet he thinks the open source cloud computing platform (nebula 1.0) the entire federal government will be using was done by insiders too? Guess what? It was done by my former biz partner Chris Kemp who is a genius 33 year old kid who arose through his own efforts to be CTO of NASA. He has a really great heart too. I worked on the technical strategy team at Microsoft. The heavy hand isn't as heavy and well organized as you would think. It's just motivated by dollars. Within each structure are various jedi operating with various levels of awareness. The secret is tethering them all together in a cohesive was so we can act for the well being of all. It'll happen.


Interesting. Yea, i'm sure its all a big complicated mess. I sure hope the Jedi have some big plans planned :). Perhaps they r holding out until things get hairy.

Its easy to get sucked into the incredible mind games and get a bit paranoid and imaginative. I try to take a step back and work on my inner silence and connection with all.

Thanks for your positive insight. Our power grows and will be great to see what it WILL do in the near future.

[TimelessDimensions]

not a good time to join the military or travel anywhere in the middle east.

[Flyswim]

Hmmmm.

Again?

Hmmmm.

[T Smith]

The heavy hand isn't as heavy and well organized as you would think. It's just motivated by dollars. Within each structure are various jedi operating with various levels of awareness. The secret is tethering them all together in a cohesive was so we can act for the well being of all. It'll happen.

Good point, and certainly valid. However, I would just throw out there: a "heavy hand" motivated by dollars is really extremely organized. Money is perhaps the most powerful controller, so much so that those who maintain the power of its issuance can control guys like your neighbor without him even realizing who is directing his life. These controllers have, in effect, exploited (for lack of a better term) your neighbor's brilliance without him even realizing it. Of course your neighbor isn't "in on the conspiracy", he's just a cog in the wheel. However, someone is cranking the wheel, by design, and the most profound thing is, the energy behind its movement may be "unorganized" on a certain level and not by some grand puppet master, but by the very actors, like your neighbor, who have entered a stage of which they're not necessarily even aware.

[Donna O]

For those who enjoy listening to David Icke, a recent interview:
David Icke with Meria Heller about the Middle East, the real nature of the Sun, earthquakes and the changing vibration, how astrology works and the 'love and light' frauds and fakes

http://www.davidicke.com/articles/david-icke-interviews-mainmenu-61/45271-david-icke-talking-to-meria-heller-about-the-middle-east-the-real-nature-of-the-sun-earthquakes-and-the-changing-vibration-how-astrology-works-and-the-love-and-light-frauds-and-fakes

[Lily de Cuir]

Hello Everyone,

I'm sure most Ozzies are aware that David Icke is coming to Oz 2011. But in case you don't, here is the link to buy tickets:

http://www.thelionsleepsnomoretour.com/buy-tickets.html

The tour covers Perth, Gold Coast, Melbourne, Sydney and Auckland (NZ), respectively.

I have booked my ticket for the Gold Coast event. I know there are a handful of us around northern NSW and south-east QLD, and only a handful literally, maybe 3 or 4 of us?

I will be going with like-minded friends who read here, but are not members. Would love to catch up with other fellow members if you can make it.

Gold Coast event is 24 September 2011.

Hope to see you there.

Cheers to all,:cool:
Lily de Cuir

[the_flyingboy]

i live in the N.T i'll try to come i'd love to be there see how things go when the time comes..

[witchy1]

Wow, I didnt know. Thanks Lily I will definately go along to Sydney event.

Sunday 23 Oct 2011 from 9:30am to 6:30pm early bird special at $77.00. UNSW kensington.

Yah

[Lily de Cuir]

i live in the N.T i'll try to come i'd love to be there see how things go when the time comes..

Hi flyingboy,

Would be great to see you there, big drive from the N.T! Be sure to pack some lunch and bevvies...

Cheers,
Lily

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Wow, I didnt know. Thanks Lily I will definately go along to Sydney event.

Sunday 23 Oct 2011 from 9:30am to 6:30pm early bird special at $77.00. UNSW kensington.

Yah

Hi witchy1,

Yeah, I thought most people didn't know, because nothing has been posted about it, which surprised me.

Hope you enjoy and meet some great people. Lots more people on Avalon from Sydney, than from where I am. (I am orginally from Sydney though).

Cheers,
Lily

[TWINNICK]

Like to go see Dave myself, I like him, have watched and listened to some of his stuff over the last 2 years, plus he is entertaining the way he delivers his talks.

But at 80+$ and the trip to Melbourne or Sydney its out of my reach I'm afraid. Just have to wait untill it comes out on Vid. See what happens between now and then.

..Nick..

[Lily de Cuir]

Like to go see Dave myself, I like him, have watched and listened to some of his stuff over the last 2 years, plus he is entertaining the way he delivers his talks.

But at 80+$ and the trip to Melbourne or Sydney its out of my reach I'm afraid. Just have to wait untill it comes out on Vid. See what happens between now and then.

..Nick..

Hi Twinnick, yeah you are south Oz, so a bit far away. People overseas don't realise what a huge country we have, it's like driving from London to Istanbul in Turkey, or more probably, lol...

I'm sure there will be a vid from David Icke, hopefully...

Kind regards,
Lily

[Apex]

There is something I found on the the tubes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-03v_m7534&feature=youtube_gdata

The grand parents part made a lot of sense to me but I would also look at other John Davison Rockefeller pictures.

[Bill Ryan]

There is something I found on the the tubes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-03v_m7534&feature=youtube_gdata

The grand parents part made a lot of sense to me but I would also look at other John Davison Rockefeller pictures.

This thread should not exist. Please don't re-post sheer nonsense from YouTube just because it's there! :)

The guy who made this video is a well-known David Icke stalker-critic - who also (among much other irrationality) thinks I'm a Mason because of David Icke's 'Masonic handshake'. Gimme a break, please.

[Heart-2-Heart]

Thank you Bill....you are a good ...referee..blow the whistle ..and give him the yellow card..and the game moves on..:warning2:
From an old ..football player...as was David Icke...
H2H

[Calz]

If you have the patience in this age of soundbites for a 15 minute vid ... I expect you will enjoy this as I did. Posting the video direct didn't work this time. Sorry you will need to follow the link:

David Icke: No more fighting, killing and dying to build our own prison and enslave our own loved ones.

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/46062-david-icke-no-more-fighting-killing-and-dying-to-build-our-own-prison-and-enslave-our-own-loved-ones

[observer]

....[snip] Posting the video direct didn't work this time....[snip]

Note to Calz_Avaretard:
When posting a video, it not only is a good idea to enter it as a direct link, but to also offer the link to the page as an option. (as I've done in this case) Not everyone can see the videos that are directly posted....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNAHNB6Gh3I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNAHNB6Gh3I

The video is well worth the watch....

[shiva777]

think about the implications of this for all those cultures and religions who have been deceived by this moon matrix and revere the moon as a manifestation of the Divine Feminine etc...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPPkqqZX75U&feature=player_embedded#at=126

[Nairnia]

Or another way..... what if he is wrong, what about those decieved by David Ike?

[Arpheus]

You dont have to be a David icke follower or believer to know that the moon isnt what all scientists claim it to be do a little research buy a telescope yourself,heck i know the moon looks a LOt different now then it did 20 some years ago in my 38 years,so i am not sure if icke is right or not but one thing is for sure the moon is not what we think or know it is.

[Nairnia]

do a little research buy a telescope yourself.

I have a very nice Celestron thank you, astronomy is a hobby of mine.

[Teakai]

I've recently come across Alex Collier - and he says (paraphrased) the moon is hollow and a type of space craft.

[3optic]

Or another way..... what if he is wrong, what about those decieved by David Ike?

deceive
verb
(of a person) cause (someone) to believe something that is not true, typically in order to gain some personal advantage.

If he's wrong he's simply misinforming. I think people have the tools to sort it out themselves. Anyone who believes something because David Icke told them so may have a few more problems than being victims of deception. Is he deceiving when he asks people to question the MSM and to think for oneself?

The Moon theory is not his alone and it lends itself to a certain perceptual expansion to consider it. Sounds like fun to me. Maybe it's also made of cheese!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_wZMgkdxJqQQ/Sx2s8BglD4I/AAAAAAAAAmI/mbr1dBZDKUg/s400/Trip_01.jpg

[slipknotted]

there's alot to this do your own research, i found the moon to be one big puzzle and it's not what most people think and i feel david is hitting a home run !

[indiana]

Davids story for me is very impressive. I remember in the 90's when his name was a laughing stock. Around 94/95 he came to Dublin to give a talk. A few friends of mine went to see him then. Although we were all involved in 'spirituality' at the time, i was more influenced by the negative take on him. I re-encountered him only in the last couple of years..wow..geezers a legend...my nick for him 'da ickemeister'.

[str8thinker]

(Arpheus) i know the moon looks a LOt different now then it did 20 some years ago

Can you be more specific as to the differences between then and now? I must say it still looks like the same old moon to me.

[ktlight]

From David Icke News. After the discussion on Middle East, there follows a discussion with Sterling Allen about free energy technology, then comes Andrea Rossi about cold fusion.

For David Icke start at 06:15 and end at 1:16:42




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw9GaRMOWKY

[Muzz]

Enjoy


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCmv4we6Juw

[Calz]

David Icke has my complete respect. This guy puts it on the line every day in front of the whole world to see and it is for *OUR* benefit.

How many years was he doing this in front of nearly empty speaking engagements and how much ridicule did this man endure on *OUR* behalf?

As for the clip ... lack of empathy = sociopaths/psychopaths = many in all governments = nearly all of those who control governments.

Another step takes you "beyond" which loses some people with David but I believe it to be the truth.

Thank you Muzz for posting this :)

[ktlight]

Got this from DI's news.

March 2011

MACS LONDON INTERVIEWS DAVID ICKE
David Icke is an extremely talented English writer and public speaker. He is best known for his views on ‘who and what is really controlling the world’ and as a result of his passion for these thoughts and ideas he has written 18 books. David describes himself as the most controversial speaker and author in the world and has attracted a substantial following worldwide, in particular across the political spectrum.

David was a very well known BBC Television sports presenter and spokesman for the Green Party and during this time in 1990 he encountered a psychic who told him he was a true healer placed on Earth for a purpose. Shortly after this, in 1991, David appeared on BBC’s Terry Wogan show stating various predictions which caused huge speculation and from this point in time, his journey continued as he developed his ideas. At the heart of David’s theories lies the idea that a secret group of reptilian humanoids called the Babylonian Brotherhood controls humanity, and that many prominent figures are reptilian. Based on these theories David has written many books, with titles including ‘The Robots’ Rebellion’ (1994), ‘The Biggest Secret’ (1999), ‘Tales from the Time Loop’ (2003) and ‘Human Race Get Off Your Knees – The Lion Sleeps No More’ (2010), as well as a range of DVDs. These books, DVDs and David’s theories have attracted a great deal of attention and interest and he now enjoys huge support globally.

David has a constant stream of new information flowing from the pages of his personal website about his thoughts and opinions on the world today as well as current news, attracting hundreds of thousands of supporters to comment on and praise his work, so it is no wonder he is a highly sought after lecturer worldwide.

Q. Describe your current state of mind?

Focussed and very determined to see through what I started in 1990. The world is waking up to the manipulation and control of the many by the few and we are in the midst of enormous change and transformation in the next few years on multiple levels of reality and experience, as humanity not only ‘gets off its knees’, but also remembers its true and infinite nature.

We are not our name, body, job or lifestyle. They are our experience. What we are is consciousness and ever more people around the world are awakening from the hypnotist’s trance and remembering that.

Q. Who or what is the love of your life?

My love is my work – it is a priviledge to do what I do. I live alone and have for years, but my first wife of 29 years, Linda, who has published my books for nearly two decades, is an incredible human being and I feel privileged to know her, too. She has been the most important person in my life by a million miles and bar none.

Q. What is your most pronounced character trait?

Determination.

Q. Which trait do you most value in others?

Honesty and integrity.

Q. Which trait do you most deplore in others?

Self-obsession and lack of integrity.

Q. What word or phrase do you most overuse?

Mate. I have a photographic-type memory when it comes to speaking for eight hours without a script about multiple subjects, but I often can’t recall names of people I have known and met personally. So I have tended to call them ‘mate’ when I meet them again until the penny drops of who they are and where I know them from.

‘Hello, mate, sorry, do I know you?’

‘Yes, I’m your son, dad.’

Q. When were you at your happiest?

Today, although I loved watching steam trains as a kid in the 1950s and 60s. I loved that era.

I am a Pop Larkin (Darling Buds of May) waiting to get out and live his life with ‘Ma’ and the kids, but needs must and I have come to terms with the fact that I have other things to do. ‘Pop’ will have to wait for another lifetime.

Q. What talent do you wish that you had?

To be able to sing without clearing the room. My singer-songwriter son, Gareth, has that talent and he certainly didn’t get it from me (or his mum!).

Q. What angers you most in life?

Unfairness and injustice.

Q. Who are your heroes?

Anyone who stands up for what they believe is right irrespective of the consequences.

Q. Who are your favourite artists?

Van Gogh, Constable and my friend, Neil Hague, who illustrates my books with his unique original art – see Neilhague.com

Q. Where would you like to live?

Where I do now – the Isle of Wight. I have been to 52 countries so far and had amazing experiences, but I still say the Isle of Wight. It is ‘home’ to me and I have felt the same since I was a small boy on holiday there from Leicester in the 1950s.

Q. What is your single greatest achievement?

Continuing to speak my truth when most would have run and hide.

Q. What is your motto?

The title of my new book – ‘human race get off your knees’.

[ktlight]

Alex talks with English author, public speaker presenter, David Icke about the latest going in with the Nwo, Japan Nuclear fallout, and it's plume cloud covering the U.S. with low lever radiation.
Alex also dives into the Libyan conflict and who stands to gain from this oil grab.

This is only part I, so please watch on youtube for access to parts II-IV.


http://youtu.be/dJ6JKhFcIBE

[tkh123186]

Alex talks with English author, public speaker presenter, David Icke about the latest going in with the Nwo, Japan Nuclear fallout, and it's plume cloud covering the U.S. with low lever radiation.
Alex also dives into the Libyan conflict and who stands to gain from this oil grab.

This is only part I, so please watch on youtube for access to parts II-IV.


http://youtu.be/dJ6JKhFcIBE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJ6JKhFcIBE&feature=player_embedded - there is a better link guys

[ktlight]

From David Icke:

Normal' is not normal 20 years ago, is not normal 20 years in the future. Most 'normals' want to fit in the program, 'to belong', afraid to commit the 'crime' to be different. Be proud you exceed a mad programmed world! Should you not worry more, if you're being called 'sane' by an insane world?


http://youtu.be/9Vfy2Odtu3Y

[Lord Sidious]

From David Icke:

Normal' is not normal 20 years ago, is not normal 20 years in the future. Most 'normals' want to fit in the program, 'to belong', afraid to commit the 'crime' to be different. Be proud you exceed a mad programmed world! Should you not worry more, if you're being called 'sane' by an insane world?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Vfy2Odtu3Y

Your feeble skills are no match for the power of the dark side.

[ktlight]

From David Icke:

Normal' is not normal 20 years ago, is not normal 20 years in the future. Most 'normals' want to fit in the program, 'to belong', afraid to commit the 'crime' to be different. Be proud you exceed a mad programmed world! Should you not worry more, if you're being called 'sane' by an insane world?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Vfy2Odtu3Y

Your feeble skills are no match for the power of the dark side.

Lord Sidious, "Your" feeble skills are no "match"? what do you mean?

[ViralSpiral]

Your feeble skills are no match for the power of the dark side.


am a tad disappointed..... no: this should work? ,-)

[Lord Sidious]

Lord Sidious, "Your" feeble skills are no "match"? what do you mean?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRVXPXetgMo

That will teach him to not pay his electricity bill.

[Nasu]

In the world of the blind the one eyed man is king....

[ktlight]

...and eventually it goes out of this dimension,beyond the frequency range of visible light.The Reptilians manipulate this reality through inter-breeding bloodlines,we call the illuminati families.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGjMHdkg9b0

[WyoSeeker]

Too bad that cuts off it was pretty interesting.

[ktlight]

From David Icke News


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpDYCTlcXg4

[Ilie Pandia]

ktlight,

when posting videos from youtube (even from David Icke's site) please add a few words from yourself as to what the video is about and your thoughts on the matter, or why do you think is important to post this here (just how you did when you posted the Celente video)

[ktlight]

ktlight,

when posting videos from youtube (even from David Icke's site) please add a few words from yourself as to what the video is about and your thoughts on the matter, or why do you think is important to post this here (just how you did when you posted the Celente video)

I considered this was/is self-explanatory.

[bodixa]

Although I have to acknowledge that 'satanic' rituals and belief have some stronghold in the corridors of power, for some reason these stories of reptilian posession just don't wash with me, never have.

Either it's all nonsense

or..

Why do they have to be sneaky? If they are so powerful and sooooo clever and have so much spiritual, financial and technological influence behind them, why do they seem to be doing such a botch job and making such a mess? Why hide? Surely if they were as powerful and smart as these videos make them out to be, things (like this video) wouldn't look like a Hollywood B movie.

Is it because those who operate in the shadows fear the light? Are they not actually that powerful after all? To hide behind dark rituals and sneak around in the closet summoning dark entities to get what you want is smart is it?

Oh, come off it. I'm becoming increasingly convinced of a double bluff. They don't want to be seen why? Because they don't want to frighten the people?

It's not a reasonable argument at any level. Not theirs or ours. So I have to personally conclude that it's mostly nonesense, and a bunch of doctored videos to look like reptilian eyes.

What better way to disempower people than repeatedly tell them that they have no influence over their own governments and never will.

[ktlight]

Although I have to acknowledge that 'satanic' rituals and belief have some stronghold in the corridors of power, for some reason these stories just don't wash with me, never have.

Either it's all nonsense

or..

Why do they have to be sneaky? If they are so powerful and sooooo clever and have so much spiritual, financial and technological influence behind them, why do they seem to be doing such a botch job and making such a mess? Why hide? Surely if they were as powerful and smart as these videos make them out to be, things (like this video) wouldn't look like a Hollywood B movie.

Is it because those who operate in the shadows fear the light? Are they not actually that powerful after all? To hind behind dark rituals and sneak around in the closet summoning dark entities to get what you want?

Oh, come off it. I'm becoming increasingly convinced of a double bluff. They don't want to be seen why? Because they don't want to frighten the people?

It's not a reasonable argument at any level. Not theirs or ours. So I have to personally conclude that it's mostly nonesense, and a bunch of doctored videos to look like reptilian eyes.

What better way to disempower people than repeatedly tell them that they have no influence over their own governments and never will.

Well, US is basically a Christian country, so Satanism will not do, at least not publicly.

How did George W Bush become president when he didn't win the vote?

Etc., etc.

I feel it is a requirement to not reveal dark activities or get caught practising them.

Whether to accept the possibility or probability of the footage as reality or not is a matter of choice.

Hope you understand.

[Teakai]

Although I have to acknowledge that 'satanic' rituals and belief have some stronghold in the corridors of power, for some reason these stories of reptilian posession just don't wash with me, never have.

Either it's all nonsense

or..

Why do they have to be sneaky? If they are so powerful and sooooo clever and have so much spiritual, financial and technological influence behind them, why do they seem to be doing such a botch job and making such a mess? Why hide? Surely if they were as powerful and smart as these videos make them out to be, things (like this video) wouldn't look like a Hollywood B movie.

Is it because those who operate in the shadows fear the light? Are they not actually that powerful after all? To hide behind dark rituals and sneak around in the closet summoning dark entities to get what you want is smart is it?

Oh, come off it. I'm becoming increasingly convinced of a double bluff. They don't want to be seen why? Because they don't want to frighten the people?

It's not a reasonable argument at any level. Not theirs or ours. So I have to personally conclude that it's mostly nonesense, and a bunch of doctored videos to look like reptilian eyes.

What better way to disempower people than repeatedly tell them that they have no influence over their own governments and never will.

Just a thought, Bodixa - but maybe they hide because we wouldn't let them do it if we knew the truth.

[DawgBone]

Very powerful video! And the last portion of the video uses music and images in a hypnotic, even mind-control, manner to send its message:

"Open your mind, open your mind, open your mind!"

Ha! It seems only fair that the forces of light should benignly use the techniques constantly used the other guys.

[bodixa]

Although I have to acknowledge that 'satanic' rituals and belief have some stronghold in the corridors of power, for some reason these stories of reptilian posession just don't wash with me, never have.

Either it's all nonsense

or..

Why do they have to be sneaky? If they are so powerful and sooooo clever and have so much spiritual, financial and technological influence behind them, why do they seem to be doing such a botch job and making such a mess? Why hide? Surely if they were as powerful and smart as these videos make them out to be, things (like this video) wouldn't look like a Hollywood B movie.

Is it because those who operate in the shadows fear the light? Are they not actually that powerful after all? To hide behind dark rituals and sneak around in the closet summoning dark entities to get what you want is smart is it?

Oh, come off it. I'm becoming increasingly convinced of a double bluff. They don't want to be seen why? Because they don't want to frighten the people?

It's not a reasonable argument at any level. Not theirs or ours. So I have to personally conclude that it's mostly nonesense, and a bunch of doctored videos to look like reptilian eyes.

What better way to disempower people than repeatedly tell them that they have no influence over their own governments and never will.

Just a thought, Bodixa - but maybe they hide because we wouldn't let them do it if we knew the truth.

Exactly - which means they are not very powerful at all...

So the argument cancels itself out.

It's my opinion that the ongoing 'sacrificial' and worship practices of some interpretations of Christianity that are mainstream actually perpetuate the problem. Worship is a big problem to humanity, in my opinion. It's upside down thinking and it actually helps them.

But to say that they hide because the US is Christian and wouldn't allow it, doesn't make sense. Does this mean that they fear the church? In which case.. let's all go back to church!! The church is more aware than any other body out there of the reality of demon possession, and many Christians would completely acknowledge without dispute that 'Satan' has his strongholds in the corridors of power and that is why things are such a mess. THAT argument in itself has led to an ACCEPTANCE of the world and its status quo, and the idea that there can never be peace in the Middle East - the Zionist ideas, the antichrist, and so on...

So the massively influential, mostly conservative Church in the USA and Europe has named the darkness as 'Satan' (which is another debate in itself) and accepted the way things are into its own eschatology. (This is not true accross the board and the church is very complex... there are now a number of Christian grass roots movements supporting Palestine, for instance..)

It's all a mess. But reptilian shapeshifters? What would they be afraid of?

An important issue for the alternative media community I feel. I'd like to thrash it out. I'm always open to having my opinion shifted.

[DawgBone]

The idea of transdimensional, reptilian beings feeding on the energy of the human race is very similar to the vampire stories, and perhaps this is even the origin of the vampire 'myth'. George Kassavila in one of his videos talks about the wraith characters of Stargate Atlantis being similar to the vampiric beings he has encountered:

http://www.clairvaux.org/images/Avalon/wraith.jpg

Popular media is filled these days with various versions of the vampire myth. I watched one last night. Again, it seems that our reptilian leaders are putting the facts right out there, daring us to see the truth.

This colossal arrogance will surely lead to their downfall. We humans are much stronger and resourceful than they imagine.

[Teakai]

Exactly - which means they are not very powerful at all...

So the argument cancels itself out.

It's my opinion that the ongoing 'sacrificial' and worship practices of some interpretations of Christianity that are mainstream actually perpetuate the problem. Worship is a big problem to humanity, in my opinion. It's upside down thinking and it actually helps them.

But to say that they hide because the US is Christian and wouldn't allow it, doesn't make sense. Does this mean that they fear the church? In which case.. let's all go back to church!! The church is more aware than any other body out there of the reality of demon possession, and many Christians would completely acknowledge without dispute that 'Satan' has his strongholds in the corridors of power and that is why things are such a mess. THAT argument in itself has led to an ACCEPTANCE of the world and its status quo, and the idea that there can never be peace in the Middle East - the Zionist ideas, the antichrist, and so on...

So the massively influential, mostly conservative Church in the USA and Europe has named the darkness as 'Satan' (which is another debate in itself) and accepted the way things are into its own eschatology. (This is not true accross the board and the church is very complex... there are now a number of Christian grass roots movements supporting Palestine, for instance..)

It's all a mess. But reptilian shapeshifters? What would they be afraid of?

An important issue for the alternative media community I feel. I'd like to thrash it out. I'm always open to having my opinion shifted.

I agree with you that religion is used against people, but I didn't mean that people wouldn't allow 'them' to do what 'they're' doing on the grounds that they were Christian, but because they wouldn't have allowed themselves to be duped as they have been.
If people knew that fourth dimensional beings were overtaking human entities and then using them to bring humanity to a state that was desirable for complete control for the entities and complete entrapment for mankind - then they wouldn;t get very far.
I don't think they are that powerful. The only way they are able to do what they are doing is because we allow it. They use us against ourselves - and we allow it.

[Lost Soul]

Too much imagery and not enough talk.

[DawgBone]

I don't think they are that powerful. The only way they are able to do what they are doing is because we allow it. They use us against ourselves - and we allow it.

Yes, they mostly use persuasion, manipulation and mind-control. They incite warfare rather than waging it themselves.

It all changes when people in general "open their minds".

[bodixa]

Exactly - which means they are not very powerful at all...

So the argument cancels itself out.

It's my opinion that the ongoing 'sacrificial' and worship practices of some interpretations of Christianity that are mainstream actually perpetuate the problem. Worship is a big problem to humanity, in my opinion. It's upside down thinking and it actually helps them.

But to say that they hide because the US is Christian and wouldn't allow it, doesn't make sense. Does this mean that they fear the church? In which case.. let's all go back to church!! The church is more aware than any other body out there of the reality of demon possession, and many Christians would completely acknowledge without dispute that 'Satan' has his strongholds in the corridors of power and that is why things are such a mess. THAT argument in itself has led to an ACCEPTANCE of the world and its status quo, and the idea that there can never be peace in the Middle East - the Zionist ideas, the antichrist, and so on...

So the massively influential, mostly conservative Church in the USA and Europe has named the darkness as 'Satan' (which is another debate in itself) and accepted the way things are into its own eschatology. (This is not true accross the board and the church is very complex... there are now a number of Christian grass roots movements supporting Palestine, for instance..)

It's all a mess. But reptilian shapeshifters? What would they be afraid of?

An important issue for the alternative media community I feel. I'd like to thrash it out. I'm always open to having my opinion shifted.

I agree with you that religion is used against people, but I didn't mean that people wouldn't allow 'them' to do what 'they're' doing on the grounds that they were Christian, but because they wouldn't have allowed themselves to be duped as they have been.
If people knew that fourth dimensional beings were overtaking human entities and then using them to bring humanity to a state that was desirable for complete control for the entities and complete entrapment for mankind - then they wouldn;t get very far.
I don't think they are that powerful. The only way they are able to do what they are doing is because we allow it. They use us against ourselves - and we allow it.

Thanks - Ok - what you have just described is the basic 'problem' at the heart of evangelical Christian Theology. (The solution being Jesus sacrifical death.)

Even the temptations of Christ in Matthew's Gospel describe Satan as already in charge of the Kingdoms of the World. It's a very dominant idea and has been for a long time.

So if they are not that powerful, and they are still there, why are they still there? Why has Christianity allowed them to still be there? Why have we allowed them to still be there?

Is it because:

1) They're not really there, and we have to look at a different definition of the 'adversary' and be a little more realistic about what men are capable of?

2) Someone else is there (and laughing their butt off) ?

3) We (or too many humans) are locked into a world view that at deep level is not willing to actually let go of the status quo and fight them with all we have ?

4) The minority who believe they are not so powerful and don't subscribe to 3) , don't know where to start ?

5) The reptilian 'myth' is actually pushing the resistance further up into a corner and disempowering us even more ?

6) a combination of the above ?

7) where's my coffee?

[DawgBone]

There are numerous legends of reptiles founding ancient civilizations: Mesopotamia, Egypt, India, China, etc.

A good book in this regard is Flying Serpents and Dragons by R.A. Boulay

The standard academic explanation is that legends and myths are simply fiction with perhaps some symbolic content. My approach, and I think the approach that we should actually take, is that they are based on fact, elaborated certainly, but probably a genuine attempt to communicate truth.

Reading the historical record, we definitely have a reptilian past, and perhaps we have a reptilian present.

[Teakai]

Yes, they mostly use persuasion, manipulation and mind-control. They incite warfare rather than waging it themselves.

It all changes when people in general "open their minds".

And chemicals, outright lies and focus on ego delusion. 'They', via religion, education and media have kept the reality of who we really are from us.

[shijo]

i think its number 7 Bodixa.

[Teakai]

Thanks - Ok - what you have just described is the basic 'problem' at the heart of evangelical Christian Theology. (The solution being Jesus sacrifical death.)

Even the temptations of Christ in Matthew's Gospel describe Satan as already in charge of the Kingdoms of the World. It's a very dominant idea and has been for a long time.

So if they are not that powerful, and they are still there, why are they still there? Why has Christianity allowed them to still be there? Why have we allowed them to still be there?

Is it because:

1) They're not really there, and we have to look at a different definition of the 'adversary' and be a little more realistic about what men are capable of?

2) Someone else is there (and laughing their butt off) ?

3) We (or too many humans) are locked into a world view that at deep level is not willing to actually let go of the status quo and fight them with all we have ?

4) The minority who believe they are not so powerful and don't subscribe to 3) , don't know where to start ?

5) The reptilian 'myth' is actually pushing the resistance further up into a corner and disempowering us even more ?

6) a combination of the above ?

7) where's my coffee?

Oh, number 7 - without a doubt.
:)

OK, seriously, though - I'm just not sure where the Christians come into it. What do Christians have to do with the existence of reptilians?

(Just to say - I'm of the opinion that the Christian religion as formed by the RC church was corrupted at that stage - possibly by reptillians, if reptillians do exist, which seems plausible given the evidence of stonework and serpent references in ancient literature )

If bloodlines ruled the world - then the caesars were of that bloodline, therefore Constantine may have been controlled/inhabited by a reptillian.

[Teakai]

I get a bit confused about the reptilian thing - one one hand I've heard they were here first and they live underground.

And then there's the theory that they're fourth dimensional entities who require a human host to be able to exist in this dimension. Possibly these are what are referred to as demons in scriptural writings?

Maybe there are demons and reptilians?
Cripes - maybe there's a whole legion of negative energies and entities in this dimension.

[bodixa]

Today's Exam Practice Essay Question is as follows.

'Laura Bush is not posessed by a reptilian shape shifting fourth dimensional enitity.' Discuss.

You will be marked on the following criteria:

Your definition of Laura Bush and the context in which she is being referred to.

A definition of posession.

A definition of a reptilian shapeshifting fourth dimensional enitity and its significance in the context in which Laura Bush is being referenced.

Evidence that supports the statement.

Evidence that argues against the statement.

Your analysis of the material and a balanced conclusion.



Enough of the silliness... seriously I think the conspiracy is actually the suggestion that those politicians are controlled by Reptilian. Ask yourself whose agenda that kind of information serves?
Just another possibility worth considering.

[DawgBone]

OK, seriously, though - I'm just not sure where the Christians come into it. What do Christians have to do with the existence of reptilians?

(Just to say - I'm of the opinion that the Christian religion as formed by the RC church was corrupted at that stage - possibly by reptillians, if reptillians do exist, which seems plausible given the evidence of stonework and serpent references in ancient literature )

If bloodlines ruled the world - then the caesars were of that bloodline, therefore Constantine may have been controlled/inhabited by a reptillian.

Absolutely! Religions are such a powerful force in our world, to think that they have not been infiltrated is naive. Religions would be the very FIRST institution that the bloodlines would want to control.

And the pervasive presence of blood sacrifice in almost all religions echos the vampiric theme.

We are food.

[Teakai]

Today's Exam Practice Essay Question is as follows.

'Laura Bush is not posessed by a reptilian shape shifting fourth dimensional enitity.' Discuss.

You will be marked on the following criteria:

Your definition of Laura Bush and the context in which she is being referred to.

A definition of posession.

A definition of a reptilian shapeshifting fourth dimensional enitity and its significance in the context in which Laura Bush is being referenced.

Evidence that supports the statement.

Evidence that argues against the statement.

Your analysis of the material and a balanced conclusion.



Enough of the silliness... seriously I think the conspiracy is actually the suggestion that those politicians are controlled by Reptilian. Ask yourself whose agenda that kind of information serves?
Just another possibility worth considering.

Oh, thank goodness. I got really worried. I haven't had a coffee in hours, it's 11:55pm and I can't stop yawning - and there I was thinking I had to write an essay on Laura Bush.

OK - but sort of seriously - I don't think the general public at all consider the idea of reptilians and possibly the majority of the alternative community scoff at it also - so it's not really an idea that's being pushed by anyone who you would think would have an agenda.
I've really only heard 4 people speak about it - Jordan Maxwell, David Icke, Credo Muttwah and Arizona Wilder. Yes, there are people picking it up and running with it on blogs etc, but they;re only passing on what these people have said - so I'm not counting them in with the 4.

I would think that if the general public did seriously believe that reptilians were inhabiting their politicians they would be out in force with their guns - and possibly that's one of the reasons 'they' are looking to disarm the US citizens.

[ktlight]

Although I have to acknowledge that 'satanic' rituals and belief have some stronghold in the corridors of power, for some reason these stories of reptilian posession just don't wash with me, never have.

Either it's all nonsense

or..

Why do they have to be sneaky? If they are so powerful and sooooo clever and have so much spiritual, financial and technological influence behind them, why do they seem to be doing such a botch job and making such a mess? Why hide? Surely if they were as powerful and smart as these videos make them out to be, things (like this video) wouldn't look like a Hollywood B movie.

Is it because those who operate in the shadows fear the light? Are they not actually that powerful after all? To hide behind dark rituals and sneak around in the closet summoning dark entities to get what you want is smart is it?

Oh, come off it. I'm becoming increasingly convinced of a double bluff. They don't want to be seen why? Because they don't want to frighten the people?

It's not a reasonable argument at any level. Not theirs or ours. So I have to personally conclude that it's mostly nonesense, and a bunch of doctored videos to look like reptilian eyes.

What better way to disempower people than repeatedly tell them that they have no influence over their own governments and never will.

Just a thought, Bodixa - but maybe they hide because we wouldn't let them do it if we knew the truth.

Exactly - which means they are not very powerful at all...

So the argument cancels itself out.

It's my opinion that the ongoing 'sacrificial' and worship practices of some interpretations of Christianity that are mainstream actually perpetuate the problem. Worship is a big problem to humanity, in my opinion. It's upside down thinking and it actually helps them.

But to say that they hide because the US is Christian and wouldn't allow it, doesn't make sense. Does this mean that they fear the church? In which case.. let's all go back to church!! The church is more aware than any other body out there of the reality of demon possession, and many Christians would completely acknowledge without dispute that 'Satan' has his strongholds in the corridors of power and that is why things are such a mess. THAT argument in itself has led to an ACCEPTANCE of the world and its status quo, and the idea that there can never be peace in the Middle East - the Zionist ideas, the antichrist, and so on...

So the massively influential, mostly conservative Church in the USA and Europe has named the darkness as 'Satan' (which is another debate in itself) and accepted the way things are into its own eschatology. (This is not true accross the board and the church is very complex... there are now a number of Christian grass roots movements supporting Palestine, for instance..)

It's all a mess. But reptilian shapeshifters? What would they be afraid of?

An important issue for the alternative media community I feel. I'd like to thrash it out. I'm always open to having my opinion shifted.

I agree with what you say about worship, applied to all religions, and that it is upside down thinking.

Religion is a tool, so it is the people they fear, which is why they wish to remain hidden and for religion to remain in place. If we were all aware of this as a fact, they would lose control by use of that instrument. It would no longer work because they would be seen.

Please expand about reptilians, so that I can know how to answer you.

Hope this makes sense.

[ktlight]

There are numerous legends of reptiles founding ancient civilizations: Mesopotamia, Egypt, India, China, etc.

A good book in this regard is Flying Serpents and Dragons by R.A. Boulay

The standard academic explanation is that legends and myths are simply fiction with perhaps some symbolic content. My approach, and I think the approach that we should actually take, is that they are based on fact, elaborated certainly, but probably a genuine attempt to communicate truth.

Reading the historical record, we definitely have a reptilian past, and perhaps we have a reptilian present.

The sages say that truth is always stranger than fiction!!

[Pagan]

Well, this reptlian stuff closes more minds than it's opens, I think. It's vital to focus on understandable facts. This kind of things casts ridicule over the alternative media and the movement. Contraproductive. We do want people to wake up, not run away, or what?

[ktlight]

Well, this reptlian stuff closes more minds than it's opens, I think. It's vital to focus on understandable facts. This kind of things casts ridicule over the alternative media and the movement. Contraproductive. We do want people to wake up, not run away, or what?

I felt exactly that way when I first heard about it a few years ago. But now I accept the possibility or even probability, even though it is hard to accept. I don't think it would be in Credo Mutwa or David Icke to actually lie about it. I didn't run away.

[ktlight]

This interview was recorded in 2009. I've watched only part 1, so do not know yet what to say about it, other than David Icke is always well worth viewing. There are 13 parts. On youtube it states 14 parts.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3i8EZvtDrk&NR=1

[Pagan]

I felt exactly that way when I first heard about it a few years ago. But now I accept the possibility or even probability, even though it is hard to accept. I don't think it would be in Credo Mutwa or David Icke to actually lie about it. I didn't run away.

Ok, It's impossible to deny and likevise to prove. I wouldn't say Icke( I think Icke is a great mind, btw) or Mutwa lies about things, either. However the "reptilian-topic" is pretty outlandish for most people and there is certainly no evidence for it, same time on my own behalf I don't deny anything, cause I don't know and I don't think anybody else can say they know, proveing they do. The reptiles in the sumerian etc mythologies could be metaphors for whatever . In christianity the snake is a negative symbol, in nordic mythology it is something positive(as same goes for the goat). In my world, the religions destroyed our planet(judaism, christianity and islam) My point is here: There is lots of things to put out in daylight that many people could grasp and understand. So focusing on those things would benefit our common cause.

[ktlight]

I felt exactly that way when I first heard about it a few years ago. But now I accept the possibility or even probability, even though it is hard to accept. I don't think it would be in Credo Mutwa or David Icke to actually lie about it. I didn't run away.

Ok, It's impossible to deny and likevise to prove. I wouldn't say Icke( I think Icke is a great mind, btw) or Mutwa lies about things, either. However the "reptilian-topic" is pretty outlandish for most people and there is certainly no evidence for it, same time on my own behalf I don't deny anything, cause I don't know and I don't think anybody else can say they know, proveing they do. The reptiles in the sumerian etc mythologies could be metaphors for whatever . In christianity the snake is a negative symbol, in nordic mythology it is something positive(as same goes for the goat). In my world, the religions destroyed our planet(judaism, christianity and islam) My point is here: There is lots of things to put out in daylight that many people could grasp and understand. So focusing on those things would benefit our common cause.

What you say makes sense. However, it is not always the case that we humans can grasp everything at first hearing or sight.

[Chelle]

When I read some of Cathy O'Brien book (very hard to read and I couldn't finish it because it was too upsetting) I'm sure she said that the people using her were not reptilian or aliens but just wanted her to think they were so that she felt powerless. They used technology to project themselves as reptilian but they actually were only human.

Chelle

[Chelle]

Here's an idea. What if Mr Icke (love him dearly) is actually being used by the PTB to project the existence of Reptilians out to the public in a negative light. I don't think Mr Icke has ever actually encountered a Reptilian first hand, I think in his books he always goes by what other people have told him (could be wrong).
Chelle

[ktlight]

Here's an idea. What if Mr Icke (love him dearly) is actually being used by the PTB to project the existence of Reptilians out to the public in a negative light. I don't think Mr Icke has never actually encountered a Reptilian first hand, I think in his books he always goes by what other people have told him (could be wrong).
Chelle

I don't think he says what he says merely because of having heard it from someone else. He is not the first to have made that claim. Jim Morrison, who was a musician, claimed it. His father was a someone in authority in the army, I think although I might be wrong here, and it was through his father that he learned about the reptilians. David Icke researches into history and many old societies, such as the Sumerians, etc., etc., in their mythology and in their art depict such creatures.

I think Credo Mutwa depicted them also in his paintings and didn't claim that they were imaginary.

I don't feel it is in David Icke to be persuaded to present anything that he didn't feel it was right to do, let alone by the TPTB.

[Chelle]

Hi, I didn't say the reptilian species was imagined. It was just an idea, no offence meant. I know David Icke is not in with the PTB anyone can see that, he hates them.

[ktlight]

Hi, I didn't say the reptilian species was imagined. It was just an idea, no offence meant. I know David Icke is not in with the PTB anyone can see that, he hates them.

Hi Chelle, no offence taken.

[9eagle9]

The satanic part is just another label like good and evil. These occult powers that the PTB use only differentiate from other occult practices in that they have kept all that 'magickal' knowledge all in tact. Some use it for whatever reason (not for world dominion ...lol) and use the same thing for a different purpose.(world domination)

The only difference is the blood.

Sacrifice and blood (bloodlines) seem to be what this all hinges on. Feeding on negative energy? Or the chemicals (pheromones perhaps) released into the blood when one is tortured and then killed in sacrifice. That's alchemy. Blood represents dna, its a whole microcosm on it's own. We've had lots of alchemical and magickal discussions in here lately. People are putting two and two together there isn't a great divide between science and 'magick'. It was a created divide. Deliberately. It's all been fragmented into separate schisms but when you bring it all back to together it becomes a functioning process again. The PTB have kept this process in tact, and most people are ignorant of it. But its just a process. Many use it to maintain control.

I've always regarded Christianity in the mainstream as demon or satanic worship. In a covert sense. They seemed to exert a lot of energy avoiding the devil even as they talk about how the devil is lurking behind every door. Devil this, Satan that,Lucifer there, Beezlebub here. Hell, brimstone, fire. That's feeding a lot of energy into 'the devil'.Giving power to that sort schism if it actually exists. You focus on something that much you are lending power to it even if its a sort of self victimization. And those weird notions that you 'never know for sure' if your right or wrong. Good can be evil. Be careful tempation is in every thought and action. You don't really know , its all a mystery. God loves you but god is vengeful and will punish you even though god is all loving, god is all powerful but someone helpless to correct things and its all explained away as some great mystery that we are not to know even as we are urged to seek and find...

GEEZ, Lew-eeeeze. I wrote a book about ten years ago that predicted that people would be driven crazy by their own morality. I guess they were doing it all along.

These things can't be all powerful or omnipotent because omnipotent beings wouldn't have to operate in such a covert way.